How To Get Good At Gratitude — Plus: What It’s Like To Be Profiled In The New York Times

Admittedly, the tweet was inspired by a little low grade frustration at utterly failing to generate any mainstream national press interest whatsoever in our book The Plantpower Way, which had recently come out. A self-reminder that you can't push buttons and expect a pat on the back. Fast forward three months to today's publication of Vegans Go Glam in The New York Times (The New York Times!) — a very large profile on our family and the growing vegan scene in Los Angeles and New York deftly penned by Jeff Gordinier. It's a big article (like, really big) in perhaps the most respected mainstream publication on the planet (do I even need to say that?). It's also an article that has kicked up some dust, generating lively discussion around the global water cooler. So much discussion in fact, Vegans Go Glam is the #1 most e-mailed story on the entire New York Times website today. C'mon! Now, that is just insane. So what does it all mean? That's for you to decide, not me. But today Julie and I do our best to talk it all through — including practices for cultivating gratitude — on this latest installment of Ask Me Anything. A conversation that explores: * what it's like to have a huge story about you & your family in the New York Times * cultivating tolerance beyond veganism * restricting judgment of others & focusing on self; and * how to get good at gratitude The show concludes with Held So Sweetly, written and performed by Julie — aka SriMati – accompanied by our sons Tyler & Trapper Piatt. Special thanks to “Jo” for today’s question, as well as everyone who submitted inquiries — keep ‘em coming! I sincerely hope you enjoy the conversation. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 0:44Rich Roll?

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• 1:13Speaker 01

  The Rich Roll Podcast.

• 1:19Rich Roll?

  Hey, peoples. Welcome to the podcast. My name is Rich Roll. I am your host of the podcast that bears my name, the podcast where generally, most of the time, I sit down with the outliers, the big forward thinkers, across all categories of positive paradigm, paradigm-breaking, culture change. And the aim is simple, to help all of us unlock and unleash our best, most authentic selves. This is another installment of Ask Me Anything with my erstwhile co-host Julie Piot and wife, all the time.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Sometimes wife.

• 1:51Rich Roll?

  All the time.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  Sometimes lover.

• 1:53Rich Roll?

  How's it going?

• 1:54Speaker 02

  It's going good, Rich Roll. Thanks for having me on.

• 1:56Rich Roll?

  Thank you for joining me, and thanks to everybody out there for tuning in, for subscribing to the show on iTunes, for checking out the weekly newsletter, for giving us a review on iTunes, and always using the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com for all your Amazon purchases. That really helps us out a lot. So, thank you. We got a great show for you guys today. It's been a couple of weeks since we've done the Ask Me Anything, right?

• 2:20Speaker 02

  It has.

• 2:20Rich Roll?

  And there's been some interesting things that have occurred.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Life is happening.

• 2:24Rich Roll?

  We're gonna get into in a second. But before we do that, let's take care of a little business, shall we?

• 2:37Rich Roll?

  How are you doing, Julie?

• 2:37Speaker 02

  I'm doing good. You did a good job on those.

• 2:39Rich Roll?

  You did?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna become a trainer, and I think I'm gonna order some golf pants.

• 2:44Rich Roll?

  Well, there's no risk. I mean, you know, they'll give you your money back.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I can have my money back if I do that. I would not get a job, probably. It would definitely not be hireable as a trainer.

• 2:53Rich Roll?

  So they would just be refunding you, you think?

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Well, we could test the refund policy.

• 2:56Rich Roll?

  I don't know. Somebody might hire you as a personal trainer.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  I don't know about that.

• 2:59Rich Roll?

  What would your advice be?

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Don't do any sit-ups. Try to do less reps, and don't do it when you don't feel like it.

• 3:06Rich Roll?

  Relax a little bit more.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Relax a lot. Yeah, do less. Less is more.

• 3:11Rich Roll?

  Sleep in.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  No, not sleep, but maybe meditate or breathe, possibly. Eat a plant.

• 3:19Rich Roll?

  Eat a plant. How about that? Well, on the subject of eating plants, it's been a, it's kind of been a pretty crazy last 24 hours for us.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  It has been.

• 3:28Rich Roll?

  What's happening?

• 3:28Speaker 02

  What's happening. It looks like, it appears that, that we have appeared in the New York Times.

• 3:35Rich Roll?

  Yeah, so just today, today's Wednesday, September 30th, we're gonna put this episode up the same day that we're recording it, so it's kind of contemporaneous with what's going on. And what's going on is that the New York Times today, in the newspaper, there's a big profile on our family and kind of a canvassing of the vegan movement in Los Angeles. It's a big article, that's the lead article on, in the food section of the New York Times, called "Vegans Go Glam." And there's a giant picture of our entire family sitting around our fire pit, and then... There's a lot of real estate for this article. It goes on and on and on. And then like the back page, there's another whole picture of our family. There's pictures of your food

• 4:19Rich Roll?

  and your recipes. There's your recipe for the Mexican cacao brownies is right in the article.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  From Plant Power Way?

• 4:25Rich Roll?

  I mean, it's crazy.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  It's crazy. It is. It's pretty beautiful.

• 4:29Rich Roll?

  It's kind of surreal.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  I'm very, yeah, very, very touched and extremely grateful. And, you know, we're kind of pinching ourselves a little bit. We, you know, we released the Plant Power Way. We really haven't had any national press at all.

• 4:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah. When did it come out?

• 4:47Speaker 02

  In April. No, April 28th.

• 4:49Rich Roll?

  Right. So here we are at the end of, we're almost in October.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Exactly. So it was very unexpected and really, you know, pretty amazing and spiritually aligned and planetarily timed perfectly, just post eclipse.

• 5:05Rich Roll?

  Yeah. It's, you know, as Julie said, we really didn't get any, we got zero national press around the Plant Power Way. Like, you know, we did what we could on the internet, like sort of pushing the levers and, you know, trying to foment as much interest as we could online. But it's not like, you know, the Today Show called or anything.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Dr. Oz didn't call us.

• 5:25Rich Roll?

  There was nothing, you know, there was no kind of like blue chip, you know, mainstream press that had any interest in what we were doing. So now here we are, you know, months and months after the fact, and to get, you know, such an unbelievably beautiful, you know, article that like features our whole family and kind of, you know, what we're trying to do and what we're all about and, you know, what the book speaks to is, it's kind of, you know, it's just crazy. It's so crazy. And it came together pretty, you know, organically and informally. You know, Jeff Gordinier, who wrote the article, he did a beautiful job on the piece.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  Amazing writer.

• 5:59Rich Roll?

  You know, he just contacted us out of the blue and said, you know, I have your book and I'm, you know, I'm loving it and I'm hearing good things and I'd love to come out and just like hang out with you guys. So he came out.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  I cooked a little.

• 6:12Rich Roll?

  Julie cooked a whole bunch of stuff for him.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  A little bit.

• 6:15Rich Roll?

  He hung out like most of the day.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  He did. He ended up staying like seven hours.

• 6:19Rich Roll?

  And like you played music for him.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:21Rich Roll?

  And he used to be a music writer for, I think.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Entertainment Weekly.

• 6:25Rich Roll?

  Entertainment Weekly, right? So, and so, you know, he has a foothold in music as well. So.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 6:29Rich Roll?

  Anyway, it was just, that's like, that's what we do at our house. When we have guests over, they come, we eat, we hang out. You know, there's generally some kind of impromptu concert that happens.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  And then there's dessert.

• 6:41Rich Roll?

  So he just kind of got the, the like.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  The full treatment.

• 6:43Rich Roll?

  Ritual Julie Pod family treatment. And, and we're like, okay, well, that was cool. And, you know, who knows what will happen with that? And then here we are, I don't know, three weeks later or something like that with this beautiful.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Well, we knew, we knew that it wasn't only going to be on us because we knew that he was coming to LA and that he was interviewing other people. So, you know, as far as we knew, it could have been one line in the story, you know, you just didn't know.

• 7:04Rich Roll?

  And the article is about, you know, it's about Tal Ronan and his restaurant Crossroads, and it's about some other, you know, cookbook authors. And just kind of like how, you know, the plant-based movement is, is really capturing the attention and the interest and the, and the passion of kind of a new demographic of people. So it is an article about a bunch of different people. And very easily, we could have been, you know, a small marginal aspect of that article. But, you know, this photograph of our family. Takes up like the entire page, you know, like, I did not expect that.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  It was very cool. Very cool. It was really, really such a blessing. We're deeply honored. And it was fun. It was, it was fun and also interesting because Jeff came in. First of all, he arrived kind of early and I was, I was freaking out a little bit because I had about 15 dishes planned. And, you know, we weren't, I wasn't quite ready for him. So he did come a little bit early. Rich wasn't there. And he came in and we started talking, but he was writing, you know, like Columbo, like with the, like the pad and just, you know, asking me questions and just scratching scribble on the pad. And he did that the entire seven hours. Like, and it was, you know, just surreal and amazing. And I was very happy that he seemed to, he seemed to enjoy all of my food a lot.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  And went back for a lot of seconds. I made this new recipe. Actually, it's not in the Plant Power Way. It's raw beet ravioli with aged cashew truffle cheese. It's a recipe that I'm working on for my new nut cheese book that's going to be coming out. It's an ebook that I'm working on. And then I did Tower of Nachos, of course, our family favorite, which was like about three feet high in the center of the table. And then I did the veggie burgers. We scaled them down and we did veggie sliders, which worked great. So if anybody out there wants to try that, it's a super great appetizer.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  And then we did the amazingly popular Caesar salad, really a favorite of many. And then, you know, the Mexican brownies. Oh, we did mini tamales with almond chipotle cheddar. Also another recipe from the new nut cheese ebook that's coming out. So anyway, it was a beautiful, beautiful day, beautiful experience. And we gave them all of our love and all of our heart and all of our honesty and then crossed our fingers.

• 9:35Rich Roll?

  You don't know, like I said to Julia, I was like, you know, he was really cool and friendly and all that kind of stuff, but you gotta remember.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  He's our friend.

• 9:41Rich Roll?

  Yeah, like, like, he's our friend. And I was like, yeah, but he's, he's a reporter.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  For the New York Times.

• 9:46Rich Roll?

  Careful what you say. You know, but no, he was great because, you know, he's not a vegan. It's not like he, he was, this is like a new terrain for him in some regards. I mean, he's written about the plant-based movement before. He's written about veganism. And he's the guy who wrote the profile of Dan Buettner, the Blue Zones guy, who Dan, of course, has been on the podcast. That was the, it was the lead article in the Sunday Styles section of the New York Times, maybe six or eight weeks ago.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:15Rich Roll?

  And that was an article that kind of went crazy viral and was an amazing thing. And, and this article, which, you know, just came out today, but, but Jeff emailed us and he's like, hey, check it out. It's the, it was the number one most emailed story on all of New York Times.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 10:32Rich Roll?

  Which is crazy, right? Like, think of how many, I don't know how many articles go up on NewYorkTimes.com every day.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:38Rich Roll?

  But a lot, and certainly, you know, the most prominent newspaper, most well-respected newspaper, like arguably on the planet. And then for this article that basically features our family and the sort of plant-based movement in Los Angeles to be the number one most emailed article on the entire website is crazy.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 10:59Rich Roll?

  Right. And last night, there was a really funny moment because the New York Times, like, kind of, they scroll and circulate, like, the articles that they feature on the home homepage and the image that they feature. And there was a moment for like, I don't know, a couple hours last night where this article was, the lead article featured on the homepage of the New York Times, and the image that corresponded to it, which was like, front and center, right under the masthead that said "New York Times", was a picture of our daughter, Jaya.

• 11:32Rich Roll?

  Like, our eight-year-old daughter, like, on the homepage of the New York Times. Like, it was the most surreal thing. Like, I'm like, this is what it's like when you take, like, psychedelic drugs. Like, I can't even, like, compute. Like, that's so weird, you know? But what an amazing thing. And, you know, yesterday, the way this works is, these articles go live, you know, 12 hours or so before the printed version. So even though today's the day that the article is in print, I don't know what time it posted yesterday, like, around 5 o'clock or something like that. Jeff emailed and said, "Hey, it's up." And I clicked on it, and I was reading it on my computer, and I just got so emotional.

• 12:14Rich Roll?

  You know, I, like, literally teared up because it's kind of such a surreal thing to be, you know, sort of recognized in that way.

• 12:26Rich Roll?

  You know, I tweeted a while ago, this tweet that was something, I can't remember exactly what I said, but it was something like, if you're breaking paradigms, then you can't be pissed off when the mainstream doesn't

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Doesn't get you.

• 12:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah. You know, it's like, you can't, you know?

• 12:40Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 12:41Rich Roll?

  And, and we're trying to kind of shift perspectives and, and, and, you know, change the way that people, you know, what their, their relationship around food in certain ways. And, and that pushes buttons. It's an emotional issue. And, and so we, we sort of acclimated to like, yeah, well, you know, Dr. Oz isn't going to call and the Today Show isn't going to call because what we're doing is kind of, you know,

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Out of the box.

• 13:06Rich Roll?

  Far field or whatever. But then to be kind of like in the New York Times, like, I, I wouldn't have predicted that something like that was possible or could happen. And, and I just got emotional because it brought into perspective, like, everything that we have endured and gone through to like, get to this point. You know, like, we, you know, sacrificed a lot. Like, it has not been an easy journey. Like, we basically risked everything. We put everything on the line. And there were plenty of moments. And we've talked about this, you know, many, many times on the podcast before, so there's no need to retread it. But, but, you know, I feel like.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Finally.

• 13:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Or like, we earned it. And, and a part of that's like ego, you know, it's like, I'm more interested in the impact and the conversations that are going to occur around the movement and, you know, the idea of being plant-based, because it's not really about us. But on a symbolic level, you know, I think it's okay to pause and go, that's really fucking cool.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 14:06Rich Roll?

  I can't believe that that happened. You know, reflecting back on where we were three years ago, four years ago, to what's happening now, it's

• 14:14Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 14:15Rich Roll?

  It's been a beautiful, miraculous, amazing arc. And I'm very, very grateful to be in this place and to be an ambassador of, of this message.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. And we don't, you know, we are so extremely grateful and we, you know, we don't take it for granted. Not, not one single minute do we take for granted. And, you know, yeah, I mean, the whole journey informs the experience. And so, you know, those, those tough years were necessary for us to be able to serve at the level that we are. And, and it's kind of, you know, I think it's human. I think, I think it's, it's something that we desire as human beings to connect with other individuals. And when you are breaking a paradigm, or you are sort of treading a new path, it can be very lonely,

• 15:05Speaker 02

  and it can be very isolating. And so, it is nice, and it's beautiful. And what it is, is it's a recognition of the support that we have for this movement, and for the energy of this new way of being on the planet, you know, by forces that are outside of ourselves. Because, you know, this is just sort of happening due to the vibration that we're living and being and existing in. And all of the energy that's been cultivated from the podcast, and from all of you guys, and everybody who is connecting with us, and, and joining in the movement, and having their own experiences around plant-based eating,

• 15:47Speaker 02

  and sustainability, and living from your heart. And so, all of us combined together are creating momentum in the movement. And there is great spiritual energy here that is supporting us in this endeavor. And so, this is a very physical, visceral, 3D proof, that's in a newspaper, that's very reputable, and very, you know, it's a, is a very wide, wide circulation, and it's a very, very impactful. And so, we should all, all of us who have taken the time and the care to shift our lives in every moment, more in the direction of caring for our planet, and caring for the animals, and caring for ourselves, by

• 16:31Speaker 02

  choosing plant-based foods on your plate, should feel a little, a little bit...

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Assured that it is all adding up to something. We don't, maybe don't really know what it is yet, but it is adding up to something.

• 16:47Rich Roll?

  Right. And I think in kind of honoring this sort of auspicious moment of this article getting published today, there is, and kind of turning to listener questions, there was one that popped up that I think is relevant to, you know, the New York Times piece and will allow us to kind of get into it a little bit deeper. So, let's just get into it. You ready for this?

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 17:12Rich Roll?

  Okay, so this email question comes in from somebody named Jo. I'll just leave her last name off. It's a woman. It's a long email, so I'm going to kind of synopsize it. But it begins with, "Something has been bothering me. It started during your book launch when you talked about not being able to receive national media coverage," which is something we just talked about.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Hey, Jo, look what happened.

• 17:33Rich Roll?

  I know. "It grew deeper after I joined a vegan chat group on Facebook and felt alienated by the extremist approach to the world. And it became solidified when I walked into an event called Vegan Drinks, forgetting that I was carrying a leather handbag, thus making me a vegan pariah. What's bothering me is that people hate vegans because vegans have a zero tolerance policy." Blah, blah, blah. I get it. Any tolerance condones the slaughter of animals, but doesn't Meatless Mondays at least lessen the slaughter, lessen the impact on the environment. And so, really, this is a plea for inclusiveness, or perhaps, you know, a kind of questioning of the best approach to kind of carry this message.

• 18:17Rich Roll?

  Like she's saying, "Where is the inclusive, plant-based community?" You know, basically, only 2% of Americans identify as vegan, which means 98% of Americans find this lifestyle extreme and alienating. And so, that can create like divisiveness. So if you want to like move the ball forward and create, you know... More people interested in this environment, like what is the best way to do that essentially? Right? So, and I think it dovetails into kind of something that's come out of this article. Because, you know, the article in the New York Times is called Vegans Go Glam, right? So it's all about like glamour and fashion and there's a, there's a picture of the, the

• 19:01Rich Roll?

  custom garage behind Crossroads Restaurant in Los Angeles, Tal Ronan's place, where they have like a special enclosed place where celebrities can park their car. So it's all about like how veganism has now become like this fashionista sort of thing.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:18Rich Roll?

  There's an angle to that. You know, and I think if I was writing the article, I perhaps might have focused more on how the culture is changing to embrace this as a more mainstream approach, you know, because people are more interested in sustainability and health, et cetera, and you know, the ethics surrounding this movement. And I understand why the article is written the way that it is written, but I think that, that, you know, kind of our perspective has always been and kind of the angle with the Plant Power Way was to show people a different side of what it means to be plant-based or vegan and kind of take it out of that, that stereotypical, you know, kind of hippie context of like, oh, well, vegans are spindly, weakling, you know, people wearing Birkenstocks. There's a visual image

• 20:03Rich Roll?

  that, that goes along with that and say, no, this can be modern and cool and current and, you know, this is how we're doing it and, and kind of how we live our life is in alignment with that and the way that we wrote the book is, is in alignment with that. But then it gets, then it gets sort of pitched as, oh, well, you're just like, you're glamorous. You know what I mean? And that becomes another way to like create divisiveness.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Or you're privileged, you're privileged. So, you know, you're the few with the chosen genetics or the silver spoon in your mouth because you can afford. It's a, it's that whole argument about how, you know, you know, pure food is so expensive, you know, which is, in my opinion-

• 20:41Rich Roll?

  I would do that if I had-

• 20:42Speaker 02

  If I had the money.

• 20:43Rich Roll?

  If I had your life or, you know, you guys are living this perfect life. And it's like, we don't live a perfect life. Like, we worked really hard to get to this place of where we can, where we can, you know, kind of carry this message, right? And it's, it's not, we're not doing it perfectly.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it's very, you know, it's very hard in one article and, you know, as we, as we're just being introduced to sort of a new population or a new, a new- You know, a new group of humans, you know, that don't know about us. So my hope is, is of course, the article is, you know, is sort of on a surface level of that, like vegan is glamorous or whatever, but hopefully, the vibration and seeing our family together, to the ones that are ready, to the ones that are ready and they're really, and they must be ready, because it's the number one emailed story on the New York Times, and even though there are many, many, many negative comments, even though those are there.

• 21:39Rich Roll?

  Which I'm not gonna read.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Which we're not, Rich is not reading them, but I'm, and I'm not reading them either. But the thing is, is that, you know, you, you touch on a button, and, and so you're gonna get that, that response, but for the people that are ready, we're just, we've, they've opened the door, they're opening the door to these people, and hopefully, these people will come and they'll listen to the podcast, and they'll read Finding Ultra, and they'll get to know us the way that our listeners know us, and they'll see that things aren't exactly what they seem. And I've, you know, I'm, I'm, I have a, I don't wanna say, I don't choose to associate

• 22:17Speaker 02

  myself with any marketing campaigns that call being vegan sexy. I'm not judging it for other people, but that's not a vibration that I want to cultivate. I wanna cultivate something much deeper than that, a much, there has to be a deeper reason for living a human life.

• 22:41Rich Roll?

  Can you be sexy at the same time, though?

• 22:43Speaker 02

  You absolutely can be, and I would even say that you would be more sexy at the end of it, if you in fact, connected with your authentic self, but I think this whole sexy campaign is, it's, um...

• 22:58Speaker 02

  It's a little bit disingenuous and it's a little bit, it's just a little meek. It's not very deep, let's put it that way. It's not very deep and I'm all for sexy and I'm all for all of that. But, you know, really, like, do we have to present every single argument that it will make you sexy? Or be associated with sex, like sex is the best thing? I'm not saying sex is the best thing. I'm saying true, deep heart, spiritual connection is the best thing. And when you have that, sexual creativity and sexual health is part of that and it's beautiful.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  But I'm not, you know, I'm not really into the, you know, sexy, as Trapper says, sexy, easy, vegan series.

• 23:47Rich Roll?

  Right, right. Well, I mean, I think that, you know, part of the article, I think there was actually a quote in the article, something that like, you know, if you wanna, if you wanna like get people interested in this movement, you know, use honey, not vinegar. Like, you know, attract people to something that is alluring as opposed to presenting it as, you know, perhaps altruistic, but kind of deprivation oriented. You know what I mean? So, so sexiness kind of comes with that landscape, I suppose. And that gets thrown in there because that sells, you know, TV shows and newspapers and page views and the like. So I understand why there's, you know, people would try to craft, you know, messaging around that term.

• 24:29Rich Roll?

  But, you know, I agree with you, you know, this is about something far beyond that. But I think that there is wisdom in trying to present it as, as, you know, attractive and aspirational as opposed to kind of burdensome.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  No, absolutely, attractive and aspirational by all means. But when you're promoting sexiness in a certain stereotype, you're instantly eliminating a whole, a whole bunch of people. You know, so when you're talking about just connecting with your authentic heart and finding out who you are and how God created you so that you can live that, that is inclusive of everyone. So, you know, I think the sexy thing really sort of sells us short.

• 25:10Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  That's, that's, you know, but of course, we wrote the Plant Power Way. You know, the Plant Power Way is not a cookbook for vegans. It is a lifestyle guide and cookbook for every single variation of eating that you could. You know, you could be experiencing in your life. It's offered with open arms.

• 25:28Rich Roll?

  Not just for white people in Calabasas.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  That's right, exactly. So, you know, it's just, I think all of our messaging messaging has been that. And it's, you know, it's just a great place to start, to start adding more plant-based meals into your life, into your body and introducing these new healing herbs and plants into your body. And I always say, you don't even have to give anything else up. Just simply add these foods in and then see what happens along your journey.

• 26:00Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's why it's so hilarious. I mean, that's been our intention all along and, and I feel like we accomplished that in the book. So it's kind of hilarious when people then look at it and go, and then they project onto that. Like, they can no longer make the argument like, oh, well, this is about, you know, like, I don't want to be vegan because I don't want to be a spindly hippie. Now we're presenting a different light. So they have to come up with a different argument because if people are afraid or intimidated by it, then what are they going to say? They're going to say, then they have to say, oh, well, you know, what's it going to be? Like, I don't, you know, I don't live in a modern house in Calabasas, so I'm not going to do that or I can't do that.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that just means that that person is not, you know, either it's not their, their sole journey or they're not interested or they're not ready yet. And that's fine. All of that is fine and to be respected and honored and there's no problem with that. So what we, who we are trying to activate or reach or hold a handout to are the people who are ready, who, who find something within our message that is speaking to them, to, who find something in the way that we are living their lives that they would like to emulate or they would like to experience more of in their life. And, you know, the, the article is true. It's authentic. You know, like I said, I mean, we, we truly opened our arms, welcomed Jeff into our home

• 27:17Speaker 02

  and we gave him the pure plant powerway experience, just like we do everybody else who comes to our house. And I feel like he represented that very honorably with a lot of care and a lot of intelligence. And I'm very Be grateful for his celebration of our family in the New York Times.

• 27:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah, absolutely. No question about it. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing. And to kind of speak to Joe's, you know, issue and concern here about inclusiveness. You know, I get it. Like, I'm on her page, you know, basically, like, our whole approach is always to kind of present a welcome mat for people that are interested. And I'm not gonna, I'm not here to like judge anyone else, or take their inventory, or lecture people about the ills of, you know, whatever. Like, if people want to talk about those issues, I'm happy to talk to them about it. But I'm not gonna sit or stand in judgment of somebody else's behavior pattern. Basically, we just try to focus on what we're doing. Like, control your own actions, take ownership of that, and domain over that.

• 28:23Rich Roll?

  And, you know, be like, as Josh LaJani said in one of the podcasts, like, be the lighthouse. You know, be the lighthouse. Like, as you say, like, be the Jedi knight who doesn't get rattled by everything else that's going on around them. Stand in your strength. And I think that that's a more powerful vibration. And I think that there's a lot of wisdom in that, as opposed to, you know, shaming somebody because they're not doing it the way that you think that they should do it. Like, this is not an effective strategy to get people to change their behavior patterns. But it's an interesting thing, because, like, when we were at Summerfest, I heard this lecture by Gary Francione, who's a professor of law at Rutgers.

• 29:04Rich Roll?

  And he takes a very incredibly hardcore stance on, like, animal rights, like, from an abolitionist perspective. Like, he's against Meatless Mondays because he thinks that that makes people feel better about eating meat on the six other days of the week. And he's against Whole Foods because they have marketing images of animals and happy farmers that makes you feel better about purchasing an animal product, which is actually moving you away from the goal of eliminating those products and sort of, you know, preserving the lives of these animals. You get that point, right? So, so he wants to stand way out on a limb and take that really hardcore stance.

• 29:43Rich Roll?

  But I think that in terms of trying to, you know, get people interested in this lifestyle, I think that that is... That can be, is generally repelling to the average human being, right? So by giving somebody permission to experiment and be imperfect and allow them to ask questions and not feel like they're going to be judged and all of that is a much more, you know, compassionate way of carrying the message. It may not, you know, it may take, you know, everybody, like Gary would say in his, Gary said in his speech, like, everybody wants to talk about their journey. They're on their journey. And he's like, I don't care about your journey. He's like, we're running out of time. Like, we're destroying the planet.

• 30:28Rich Roll?

  All these animals are dying every single day. Like, who cares about your journey? But, you know, everybody is on their journey. You know what I mean? And you can't, like, expedite that person's journey. You can be, you can be available to them to help them, you know, perhaps make better decisions or be kind of the lighthouse for them in certain regards, on certain issues that they're interested in. But you're not going to be able to, you know, sort of compel somebody to change who isn't ready to change.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  I think that this is an interesting subject, and I think that we all can benefit from focusing on our own journey, cleaning our own house, taking care of our own imbalance issues. And I hear from people often who write in or they'll tell me, well, you know, I want to do great service work, or I want to take care of the homeless, or I want to start a hospice, or I want to help all these people. But the reality is, unless you are in a place of wholeness and unless you have truly gone deep within and you are healed and you are hold, whole, you're in no place to hold space for other people.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  And I think sometimes in the vegan, in any movement, actually, there's this kind of... You know how when you're, it's very human nature, you'll hear somebody talk about a certain subject, like it'll be like some sort of behavior that's out, that's in balance and immediately your mind will go to someone you know who has that quality, who could really use this advice, right? But the truth is, is that all the advice you're using should be for yourself. Like, take, take the advice, apply it to your own life so that you can balance your own being and then you can be a radiant example.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  And you can then watch people in their illusion, watch people in their unawareness with compassion and just know that by you holding that space, they're going to transform in their own time. And, you know, there's an aspect of me, I, I agree with this speaker, you know, there, I can also get sort of like, okay, enough of the journey stuff. Like, we, we are on the planet and we are running out of water and the glaciers are melting and animals are being slaughtered and so there's a-

• 32:57Rich Roll?

  And you, but you're on your journey.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  But I am on my journey. But the other thing is, is, is, you know, I know from experience, you can't make another person change and the best way to cultivate expansion and evolution is to be a living example. That is the greatest thing you can do, is to be a knower of yourself, a knower of God, a knower of creativity, so that you can be a way shower of those beautiful divine qualities. Until you know that within yourself and, and I mean, I don't mean you read it in a book. I mean, you've, you've owned it.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  You've, you've digested the information and that has become a part of you, then you can't, when you've done that, then you can stand as a living example and you will, it's funny because I, I know for myself in the earlier stages of this process, there were a lot of times where I was misunderstood, I was not recognized, I was even brutalized. I mean, with, you know, judgment, horrible judgment, horrible things, you know, said to me about my process that I was undertaking with you, with my kids. And- In my little human moments, sometimes I, you know, my ego would think they're gonna see someday

• 34:18Speaker 02

  that I'm right. Like, my ego is like, I'm gonna get this satisfaction. And then on further reflection in meditation, I would laugh at my ego because I knew that by the time I had the recognition, my ego would no longer need that, that validation.

• 34:36Rich Roll?

  So then what is your experience like picking up this newspaper today and seeing that? Do you have any, any like, like little ting, tinge of like, I wonder if so and so saw this?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:48Rich Roll?

  Whoever any of those people are that like?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  No, I really don't. I have to say completely, I have nothing. I have, only I have the sense that we are instruments of this message. I have a sense of extreme gratitude for consciousness, for God, for you, for our beautiful children, for our beautiful partner Greg, who has been such an amazing part of our journey. I have this overwhelming gratitude of knowing that I am, I am in this space only by the grace of God. And I'm grateful and I'm enjoying the comments and I'm enjoying people. I appreciate it,

• 35:35Speaker 02

  but I'm not attached to it. So it feels, you know, it feels right and it feels like it has its own trajectory and it is going to develop in its own timing as is divinely mandated. And our job is to continue to continually balance ourselves, clear ourselves, commit to the work again and again and again and again, and to cultivate compassion and gratitude. And remember every moment, we are only here.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Only by the grace of God.

• 36:16Rich Roll?

  Right. I think it's important to really connect with a sense of humility and an understanding that like, you know, it's cool to see ourselves in the New York Times, but it isn't about us. You know, it's like, for some reason, the universe has chosen us to be a cipher for this message, but we don't own the message and it's not about our ego. We're just like a vessel for carrying a certain vibration that hopefully can be helpful and transformative to other people. And, you know, what you were saying kind of reminded me of that and something that came up in the podcast that I did with Jeff Castillez that I'm putting up on Sunday. That's the next one. And he's talking about all the

• 36:58Rich Roll?

  amazing musicians that he's worked with. And we were talking about like, what, what the elements of a successful band that's able to stay together for long periods of time and like what the kind of alchemy of that is. And he said, the people that can really make it happen are the ones that, that A, you know, have the humility to understand that, that, that it isn't theirs, like that, that, that creative spirit that creates this music, they don't own it. They're a vessel for it, but it doesn't come from them. And the people that really understand that on a deep, profound level are the ones that are grounded enough to kind of weather the ups and downs and the storms that come with

• 37:41Rich Roll?

  being in a successful band. And the second thing is, is being able to have a life outside of it, right? So where you're not defined by, you know, whether or not you are, you know, having, you're on the billboard list, or you have an article about yourself in the New York Times, because you're clear on what your message is. And these are just sort of extraneous, they're cool things. They're like shiny little things that dangle in front of you, you know, that are sparkly and, and definitely attractive to the ego. But if your relationship to them is, is out of balance, then I think that that can lead you astray. So for me, it's about trying to maintain that groundedness and that sense

• 38:24Rich Roll?

  of humility and that understanding that it isn't about me. It is about something bigger than me that I have to be, you know, on my knees in service of and connect with gratitude, right? So another thing that happened this week was I was, I was listening to an interview.

• 38:40Rich Roll?

  With Brian Grazer, the film producer, it was the Nerdist Podcast, I think. And I love Brian Grazer. He's a character. He's made amazing movies, but he just seems like such a cool dude. And he lives in Malibu. Like, I see him, I don't know him, but I've seen him walking around Malibu. He's a big surfer and stuff like that. And I'm always like, he just looks like a cool dude, like, that I would like to talk to. And he said something really interesting in this interview that stuck with me, which was, I can't remember what the question presented to him was. It was something like, it was something like, you know, how, you know, how do you account for being successful for so many years? Or something like that. And he said, he said, I'm really, I'm really good at gratitude.

• 39:22Rich Roll?

  Like, I'm really good at gratitude. I was like, wow, that's such a cool answer. It's like, I wish I was good at gratitude. You know, like, like, I get that. And I, I'm not good at gratitude. Like, I try and I fail, and I try and I fail. And I understand intellectually the importance of being in gratitude. But it's not my default state. It's something that I have to, like, cultivate and work towards. And I was like, I'd really like to be good at gratitude. And I was like, I was riding my bike when I was listening to this podcast. It was yesterday. I was like, I wonder what would happen if I just focused on that one thing. Like, I'm gonna get good at gratitude. Like, I'm gonna get really good at gratitude.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 40:03Rich Roll?

  Like, how would that change my experience in my life? Like, if that was like, my main thing. Like, I'm gonna get good at gratitude.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  It would change it quantmally.

• 40:11Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  I'm certain.

• 40:13Rich Roll?

  Like, that's cool. Like, I'd like to be good at gratitude. I'd also like to be good at, like, being irritable sometimes.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  No, let's not. You gotta let that go.

• 40:20Rich Roll?

  I know. It's sort of like, I want to have all those things. But it's like, okay, cool. Like, that, being good at gratitude sounds awesome.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 40:26Rich Roll?

  So how do I?

• 40:27Speaker 02

  So should we start? Can we start now?

• 40:29Rich Roll?

  But like, how am I gonna do? Like, tell me how that happened.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Okay, so let's start. So first of all, this is actually beautiful divine timing here. So thank you for bringing that up.

• 40:37Rich Roll?

  We're not done with Joe's question. We're gonna get back to it.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Okay. Joe, you're awesome, though. You, you, you're divinely timed. Okay, so we're traveling tomorrow, which is generally a time in your life where You could benefit from cultivating gratitude.

• 40:54Rich Roll?

  Well, I can always benefit.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  No, but specifically when you're flying. Specifically when you're flying. So, yeah, so I'm just gonna, can I give you a task? Or, I mean, do you want that kind? Is that okay with you?

• 41:06Rich Roll?

  Yes.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:07Rich Roll?

  Give me the list of things.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so your homework is to wake up in the morning in gratitude. And if you're not in gratitude, you have to wake up ahead of time so that you can write a journal that will shift you to gratitude. Like, write a page, right? And then from the time we leave the house to the time we touch down in Washington DC, your homework is to cultivate gratitude in every moment. With every person you see, I want you to hear internally, "Thank you." I want you to look at them as if they were a child of God.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Every single being you meet, you have to stop with that awareness. And when they hand you something, you have to look in their eyes and say, "Thank you." So, that's my task for you, to do that. From the time you leave to the time that we touch down. And then whatever you do from there, you're on your own.

• 42:10Rich Roll?

  All right, well, we'll see how that goes.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Do you think you can do that? How do you feel about that?

• 42:14Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, I need the brass tacks, like, assignment. It's sort of like, "Well, just be grateful." You know what I mean? Like, that sounds awesome. But like, what is it? You're like, "Well, make sure you wake up in gratitude." I'm like, "All right, well, what if I don't wake?"

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Then I just said, "Wake up."

• 42:28Rich Roll?

  I'm interested in the process of shifting.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  So, wake up, and then if you see, just intend that you're gonna wake up grateful. Okay, just intend that. Let's start there. If you wake up and you're not grateful, then write a gratitude journal. That's a practice that you do, I think.

• 42:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  So, you know how to do that. Okay, and then just, the simple homework is, everyone you interact with, in the airport, in the coffee shop, on the plane, in the baggage, every single person, your children, me, when you're interacting with them, I want you to be thinking inside yourself, "I'm so grateful for you. Thank you."

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Those two mantras, that's it.

• 43:12Rich Roll?

  That's like an act as if thing.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. There you go. Act as if.

• 43:16Rich Roll?

  Because it doesn't necessarily mean that I feel that way.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Just keep.

• 43:20Rich Roll?

  But I have to like, say that to myself.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Say that to yourself, and say it, you'll, you'll find the more that you say it, the more that you'll feel it. Because thoughts are things and words have vibrations.

• 43:34Rich Roll?

  Alright, I'll give it a shot.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Okay, we'll give that a shot.

• 43:36Rich Roll?

  Report back to everybody.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Report back. We'll let you guys know how, how it went.

• 43:47Rich Roll?

  Alright, well, I kind of feel like we didn't fully answer Joe's question about, um, kind of dealing with the zero tolerance policy world of veganism. And I don't really have an answer to that. I think that, um, look, you know, if there's a group of, of people, uh, that are in that world that have that, that are carrying that kind of vibration and that bothers you, you're not going to get them to change. You can change your environment. You don't have to hang out with them. The only thing that you can change is how, you know, your level of compassion, how you're interacting with other people. In the same way, like, yeah, I'm going to try to shift my energy and be more in gratitude with the people that I interact with. Perhaps you can do the same thing in terms of your sort

• 44:29Rich Roll?

  of, you know, acceptance and, and compassion for other people who are interested in learning a little bit about this journey, but maybe aren't as far along the path as you are. Right? I mean.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I think also that as human beings, becoming divine beings, we have to remember that we have to integrate our entire experience. Right? I mean, we're where we are right now in this moment because of all of our experiences. So for instance, in the article, Jeff talks about my dad dragging home Wild Game. And the article ends with, you know, me saying that I ate bear once. And, uh, You know, I don't feel any shame about that part of my life. It's like, those were the conditions that I was raised in. And I don't feel a big separation from my father because that was the family I incarnated into.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  I just, it's just who I was, it's where I came from, you know? And, and also, you know, with the leather handbag, Joe, you know, again, we, we all come into this awareness at different states of our journey. And, you know, we have some leather goods-

• 45:39Rich Roll?

  How dare you, how dare you with all this journey talk?

• 45:41Speaker 02

  The journey talk, I know. But we all have certain things, you know, it's kind of a progression. So, you know, I have some leather items that are still in my closet. I will tell you that I, I will almost not wear them at all. I mean, except for some vintage shoes. I now have a cloth handbag. But I still have my old leather one wrapped up in the back of the closet, you know? And I probably can't carry it anymore. Like, I just can't, not because of the New York Times article, but just because- No, I mean, I just think the thing is, is it's like, I think you should have compassion for yourself and respect and honor for yourself. Your, your, your progression is your progression.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  And you don't have to be on somebody else's timeline, you know? It's like, you will get there in your own awareness when the time is right for you. And where is there anyway? You know, where are we trying to get anyway? So I think it's by having compassion for ourselves and sort of, you know, including all of our experience. You know, I go out with my dad, you know, and he wears an NRA cap on his head. And, you know, he's 92 and, you know, at that twilight of his life. And it's like, that's who he is. Like, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna apologize about him, you know, when I go into Cafe Gratitude? No, I'm not. You know, it's just, it's kind of, the whole thing's kind of comical.

• 47:06Rich Roll?

  Well, and also, I feel like, kind of interlinated, you know, between the lines and the, the paragraphs of this email from Joe is kind of a frustration and-

• 47:18Rich Roll?

  And an innate desire for these other groups, you know, of plant-based people out there to change. Like, she's suffering because she wishes that these other groups would perceive this issue in the same way that she does. But they don't, right? So you have to let that go. Everybody has their own way of carrying whatever message that they're carrying, and the world is a big place and there's room for all of these things. So if you believe that a better way to carry the message is the way that you're doing it, then that's what you should do.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:51Rich Roll?

  Right? And stop, stop like focusing on what other people are doing or not doing.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't worry about it. I mean, and some of that also is, you know, it's, it's age-related too. You know, if you're in your twenties, you know, it's gonna be more of a political movement, you know, or if you've been doing it a long time, you're probably really exhausted, like, and been waiting for everybody else to wake up, and you're probably a little weary. So I understand that, you know.

• 48:14Rich Roll?

  Sometimes you get angry.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Of course, I understand. You know, I'm compassionate. It's like, I'm compassionate to everybody, but for, you know, for me, I trust my own life. So I would say, trust your life, trust yourself. You know, there's no mistakes. You're right where you're supposed to be now. So continue to do that, continue to explore deep within yourself, continue to find these buttons, you know, when these buttons get pushed, become the witness, watch them, you know, take it like a game, lighten up, and, you know, and I would say, choose plants on your plate and make a big difference. But do it with love and compassion and a

• 48:54Speaker 02

  little humor and, and just some acceptance and, and compassion for, for everyone.

• 49:02Rich Roll?

  How about some sexiness?

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Definitely, and definitely make it very sexy.

• 49:07Rich Roll?

  And very glam.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  And very glamorous.

• 49:10Rich Roll?

  Yes. Cool. All right. Well, I think that's a good place to shut it down for the day, wrap it up.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 49:15Rich Roll?

  Thank you, Julie.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Thanks, Rich Roll.

• 49:17Rich Roll?

  And thanks, Joe, for the great question.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:20Rich Roll?

  And thanks Jeff Gordinier for writing an amazing article in New York Times.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Jeff, thank you so much. It was really beautiful to spend the afternoon with you.

• 49:27Rich Roll?

  Yes, and an article that opened up our life and our world to so many people. And hopefully that will create a lot of, you know, new interest in this plant-based movement. And that's really all that I care about.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 49:40Rich Roll?

  And what else? If you live in LA or your travels take you through this part of the world, come on by Joy Cafe. That's our awesome, organic, plant-based, gluten-free eatery in Westlake Village.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  I was just there before I came here. I had some amazing superfood pancakes and my Julie's Divine Smoothie. I saw Joy. She's amazing. Saw Nick. They're always so happy. The energy is fantastic. And the food is all organic, local, vegan. Amazing.

• 50:08Rich Roll?

  Yeah, cool. I went there yesterday on my ride. I finished my ride at Joy Cafe and just picked up Takeout. And there was a family eating there that was, I think they were Australian. I think they were going back to Australia. I don't know where they were coming from. And they specifically configured their itinerary and their flight to have this really long layover at LAX so that they could rent a car and go to Joy Cafe. So there was like six of them.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  That's so sweet.

• 50:37Rich Roll?

  Like this family and their little kids. And then the guy's dad, like the dad, like the grandpa was there. It was incredible. It was super nice. I was so glad that I happened to be there because they're podcast fans.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  So cool. Well, today I ran into a young couple from Boston who said hi, who also, they're in town for a nutrition event and they scheduled their trip so they could come by Joy Cafe. So Joy Cafe is becoming an international hub of Ritual Podcast fans.

• 51:05Rich Roll?

  The hilarious thing is that for people that don't live in LA, like if you knew how far LAX, the airport, is from Joy Cafe, like it's not close, right?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  It's like an hour and a half. It's cool. No, they were happy. They enjoyed it. It was amazing.

• 51:17Rich Roll?

  Cool. And we're also partners with the Karma Baker, which is a vegan and gluten-free bakery that's also in Westlake Village. They make incredibly delicious desserts.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  That's right. And the creator, Celine, is truly an artist. She just has amazing, amazing baked goods. And please do check them out.

• 51:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah, cool.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  You won't be disappointed.

• 51:40Rich Roll?

  They're working on like a direct to consumer delivery.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Is it up yet or no?

• 51:43Rich Roll?

  I don't think so.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  It will be soon though.

• 51:44Rich Roll?

  They're in most of the grocery store chains in our area and it's, you know, this is a new startup, so it's slowly rolling out, but I can tell you like their desserts are insane, insanely good. So, you know, it's cool with the podcast that we kind of serve the global community through the internet and the airwaves, but through Karma Baker and Joy Cafe, there's something different about being able to kind of serve the local community, right?

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really good.

• 52:12Rich Roll?

  Like getting involved in your local community and trying to, you know, change the vibration, you know, in your immediate surroundings with the people that you share your living space with, right? So it's very cool. We have two courses at mindbodygreen.com, The Ultimate Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition and The Art of Living with Purpose. Just go to mindbodygreen.com and click on video courses for information about that. Keep sending in your questions for future Q and A podcasts, info at richworld.com. If you're digging on Julie, she's at SriMati on Instagram and Twitter. Her Instagram's on fire lately with amazing recipe photos, so check that out for sure. And are we gonna end this with a song?

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:55Rich Roll?

  What song is that?

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Held So Sweetly.

• 52:57Rich Roll?

  Held So Sweetly.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:59Rich Roll?

  Have you done that one on that podcast yet?

• 53:00Speaker 02

  If we did, it's a long time ago.

• 53:01Rich Roll?

  Okay.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I'm running out of songs. No, I'm kidding.

• 53:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah, you could start.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  I'm recording more. And I just want to say a happy birthday to our nephew Harrison, who turns 24 today, and he's been living with us for a few years and makes our life extremely beautiful and meaningful. And I'm happy to call him my spiritual son, so I'm so happy that we get to celebrate his birthday with him today.

• 53:31Rich Roll?

  Yeah, we're going out to dinner tonight for his birthday, right?

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:34Rich Roll?

  Cool.

• 53:36Rich Roll?

  All right.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Okay, honey.

• 53:37Rich Roll?

  Thanks, everybody, for supporting the show. We love you guys.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Thanks so much.

• 53:40Rich Roll?

  This has been an incredible, extraordinary, amazing journey. Thank you for taking it with us. And we have some amazing shows coming up for you guys soon. Sunday's episode is Jeff Castilez, president of Electra Records, who has an amazing life story. I'm really proud of that interview. I'm going to post that on Sunday night, so there's that to look forward to, and many, many more. So until then...

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Awesome. And if you haven't gotten a copy of The Plant Power Way, pick it up.

• 54:10Rich Roll?

  Pick it up.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Pick it up.

• 54:11Rich Roll?

  It's super glam.

• 54:14Rich Roll?

  All right, you guys. Peace. Plants.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Namaste.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Ever since I was a little girl, I've been waiting.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Waiting.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  I've been waiting for you.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Searching in the sunlight on the trees.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  The bubbling stream.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Inside my head.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Am I insane?

• 55:09Speaker 01

  And though words could never show. Still, I wanted you to know.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  That your presence

• 55:29Speaker 01

  is really something in my life.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  And time and time again.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  The path is leading me there

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Still your smile

• 55:55Speaker 01

  It's like a light along the way

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Time like crystals melting on the sand It's no matter

• 56:16Speaker 01

  I knew you'd come

• 56:22Speaker 01

  I never listened to any of them

• 56:29Speaker 01

  And when you walked through that door

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Just like I've seen so many times before I just died

• 56:48Speaker 01

  I just died

• 56:54Speaker 01

  And though words could never show Still I wanted you to know

• 57:08Speaker 01

  That your presence

• 57:14Speaker 01

  Is really something in my life And time and time again

• 57:28Speaker 01

  The path is leading me there

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Still your smile

• 57:41Speaker 01

  It's like a light along the way

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Your laughter filled the air

• 57:54Speaker 01

  You spoke of mountains and secrets kept And in that moment, I really felt

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Like I was wrapped up in your care so sweetly