#2386 - The Red Clay Strays

Brandon Coleman, Andy Bishop, and Drew Nix are members of country rock group The Red Clay Strays. Catch them in 2025 on the Get Right tour, and look for their most recent album, "Live at the Ryman," anywhere music is sold. www.redclaystrays.com Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, we haven't done many podcasts, but we were on Theo's last year and, you know, Theo's gets a lot of engagement, a lot of views. Ours didn't do too well. I think Burt casted alright.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta not pay attention.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  I know.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  You gotta not pay attention. Don't pay attention to numbers, don't pay attention to shit, don't read the comments.

• 0:32Speaker 04

  That's where I messed up. I got called a lesbian so many times.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  They let Andrew up in the comments.

• 0:37Speaker 04

  He's like, "He looks like Matthew McConaughey."

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, it might be the chain.

• 0:43Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  That looks very lesbian-esque.

• 0:46Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Not a bad one. It's not bad. There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian.

• 0:51Speaker 04

  No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian. I'm just a heterosexual male.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  With a wonderful mustache.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  I went back to the comments last night and...

• 1:01Speaker 04

  Oh, don't do that.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  And somebody was like, "Andrew, come on, man. Don't sit with your legs crossed." That was just the latest one.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  Why is it always me getting picked on?

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal fashion?

• 1:14Speaker 04

  I mean...

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Like the Gavin Newsom style?

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't do that.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  It's chilly.

• 1:18Speaker 04

  I was...

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  You got a little bit of a gap there. The thing is, if you get the real, the deep scissor, the deep scissor is like signaling.

• 1:26Speaker 04

  The trick is, you gotta scoop then.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 04

  You gotta get your stuff out the way.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't seem comfortable.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  I've been doing it for a long time.

• 1:37Joe Rogan?

  So, you guys are, you were telling me you're kind of burnt right now. So, you guys are fully on the road right now?

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I say that and then, and then the next moment I'm walking around, I'm like, "Dang, this is fun." But, yeah, which, but usually about this time of the year where we have a couple more months left, it's like, "Man, we're almost done. Get to be home for a while, more than two days at a time."

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  How long have you guys been on the road for?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  To this year or just in general?

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, all told.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  We started touring in Andrews Acadia in 2018.

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  And has it been flat out since then?

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Pretty much. I mean, we'd usually...

• 2:13Joe Rogan?

  Just with little breaks?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, we'd break in December for Christmas. And uh, but it's gotten better. This year, we started touring in July, which was good. Cause we usually start, um, we would usually start in April.

• 2:27Joe Rogan?

  When did, when did you end?

• 2:30Speaker 02

  We end in December.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. That's not too bad.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  No. Well, this last year, we started in March with Canada. Yeah, Canada. But that was like a month. That didn't really count.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  How long have you guys been together all told?

• 2:44Speaker 02

  We got, so, we, this Red Clay Strays got together, uh, in December 2016. But before that, uh, Drew was the manager of a cover band. And Andrew was the bass player in the cover band. And, um.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  What were you guys covering?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Everything. The good stuff.

• 3:04Speaker 05

  Just blues, just like really bad blues.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we used to run people out. The country.

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  And how did you guys all get together?

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Uh, I met Drew, um, through the, a mutual friend. Uh, we were working out in the gym together. I was in high school and Drew, um, this guy was like, hey, man, I'm, I got a buddy. He's kind of, he's kind of down on his luck. He's like squatting in my dorm and I want to give him something to do. I want to give him something to do.

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't think I was down on that, down on my luck that bad.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  Nobody ever does, man. Nobody ever does.

• 3:38Joe Rogan?

  Dang dude.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  I'm just repeating what I heard. And, uh, yeah, so Drew had never done anything like that. He had never booked or was, he was trying to be a middle school teacher football coach. That's what he was going to college for. And, um.

• 3:51Speaker 05

  Why middle school? High school, college? That's what, that was the goal.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  I know, but. Realistically. Never had it.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  That's just where I was gonna land. Ten four.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Never done anything in the business though. And he just like, um, what did you say? He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do everything I can to help you make it. And, uh, I was like 18 and he was like 22, 23. And he had us play in every single bar on the Gulf Coast. And, uh, we didn't know anything about the business either. So the, the manager booking agent fee is, you know, 15%. We didn't know about that. So we cut him in evenly.

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, uh, so he'd show up and drink beer at our shows and he'd, he'd always be at our practices and he was fully committed. And so he got an even cut and he ended up turning his life around and he was able to scoot around and buy burgers. And not be down on your luck anymore.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Hallelujah.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  I think that's impressive. Never done anything like that and you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and legitimate manager.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I just saw something I knew that was incredible. And I was like, alright, well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people? And I just, I would sit in, like, I worked for the equipment staff at South Alabama. And I would sit in the equipment room between washing jock straps and like, you know, setting up cone drills or whatever. And just like, put posted notes up on the wall and just write numbers down. And just call all these people until like, somebody picked up. Or like, hey, like, what's the email for booking or whatever? And I'd just book as much as I could.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  So it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  No experience in it whatsoever.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's a cool story.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  And it was all just based on your talent?

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  But it was what you saw, right?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that night, that night you met, the night, uh, the night we met, the night I met you, yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, like, the first time I heard you on a cellphone recording, I was like, eh. He's okay. And then I heard him in person and I was like, oh my god, alright, what, what, okay, what needs to happen here? And yeah, I had no idea. I was just fully winging it, you know?

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Those are the best stories, though.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, the best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere where a bunch of guys sit down with headshots and demos and try to put people together. The best stories happen just kinda like, what? What were you doing? Posted notes? You just called people? Like, those are the best stories.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  We didn't even know how to set up music equipment. Like, we would have our, our mains set up behind us. And so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains. We didn't know what we were doing. We just knew we wanted to play music. So we'd show up to these bars and most of the time run people out and clear the room out because we were, didn't know how to play music that well either.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Guitar amps turned up and we would show up and just ruin people's evening. And clear out a bar, they're trying to watch a football game and we show up playing Allman Brothers. And just our guitar players just always crank their amps. We did have an old man drummer though, that was the only thing about that band before Red Clay Strays. So that was, you didn't have to worry about the drums being too loud, I guess, because he was just doing his thing. He ended up quitting when we started traveling more. And that's when we started holding auditions. And we were gonna audition this one guy and he flaked, he couldn't make the audition. We rescheduled him and he couldn't make the audition again and then we were like,

• 7:36Speaker 02

  how did we get in touch with John? When did we audition him?

• 7:39Speaker 05

  There's Ethan who was in Papa's Medicine Cabinet.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 05

  I reached out to him and I was like, man, I know you play drums. That was the best band in town at the time. I was like, I know you play drums, you probably know a good bit of drummers. Like, you know, anybody who could use some work? And he, John was playing in a band called Ryan Dyer Band back home. And he said, John just, they just separated from that band. So John's available, you should get him for a tryout. And I was like, hey dude, you wanna come play with us or whatever? And he showed up, Blair and Skinnerd, with him and his brother in like an SUV or something.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 11:07Speaker 02

  This is gonna work. We had the auditions in Citronell, Alabama, which is like up in the sticks, and he didn't have a phone.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  So it was like, meet me at the Hardee's at like, you know, 6:30 or whatever time it was, because we couldn't call him once he left his house. And so Andrew left. You were driving the Firebird at the time. You left in the Firebird and met him and brought him back and we auditioned him then. And the audition went great. He showed up with his brother, who played piano. And his brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us. And just the first song we played, we tried him out with an original that we were working on. Which was a terrible song also, but um.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Andrew and John locked in immediately and just they hit the all the pauses together and I just remember still being blown away by that. Just how quickly y'all locked in and um and it still shows today on stage their their chemistry. They're just they've got some kind of telekinetic thing going on, I think.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  I think the big thing was coming from that old man drummer and then that's the first time I've ever played with like a real drummer besides my own dad.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  His name was Ray.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  And me and John, I mean, we can we it's really weird how when we first started, like we can we know a lot when we played in those bars. It was improvised, you know, we're playing covers, we're not even playing them the right way and we can hit those pauses without even looking at each other. Like we just know what each other's gonna do. So as a bass player, your drummer is your best friend. Even though we're me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band, but that's the relationship. That is a big part of the problem with a band is that you guys just get on each other's nerves, right? Uh, I mean, just like any other, I mean, we're just like brothers. It's a it's a group of guys and you're traveling all year round. You'll get pissed off at each other for sure. If a band says they're not they don't get pissed off, they're lying or they just don't like each other for real.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  But you just we just something we actually learned as men where was how to talk about your feelings with each other, too. Cause in the early stages, it was, you know, I had anger issues. I'd just get pissed off real quick. Was it about the mustache? No, I didn't have the mustache yet. Maybe that's what it was. I was immature.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  I was in.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  You had long hair?

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. These guys had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries and. I didn't talk about my feelings growing up as a kid. Supposedly that's not healthy. No, that's not good. But uh, John, you know, he would show up hammered to the bus and. I would I just had to learn to to just bite my tongue. Like you're not gonna change somebody's mind. Just let them go and talk about it tomorrow. But we all had things we worked on together. Stuff like that.

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, the final product's amazing, and the new album is really fucking good. It's coming out in June of next year? Is that when it's supposed to come out?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  We're shooting for summer of next year, we don't really know yet.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  The press thing that I got said June of next year, I'm like, this should go out now.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  You're probably the only one that's supposed to know that.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 14:11Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody knows now.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, I mean, we're still working on mixes, hopefully, hopefully June is, is gonna be the ticket.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's really good, and the final product, you guys are very unique, you have a very unique sound, and it's very fun. So, it's, you know, I know it's gotta be a lot of work. Whenever I do shows, and I show up at a place, and, you know, like, if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends. We just have to roll in there, and hi!

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  And I see you guys, you got fucking trucks, and this, and that, and there's so many fucking people involved, and it's...

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  Whoo! It's a lot, there's a lot of moving pieces to keep together. So, for you guys to consistently do it, and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again, it's, it says something.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and it, we just had to grow together. I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, we got one more rehearsal, we got one more tryout with the guy who flaked out on us, and... John was like, "Who is it?" And I was like, "Uh, Travis Pats," and he was like, "Oh, you're gonna hire Travis Pats." But I think Travis Pats, he couldn't make the next Tryout 2, or something, and I was like, "All right." And then that band played for a couple more months, and broke up, and then we hired Zack, and just tried out Zack immediately. He just came in shredding, and, um, he was always a great guitar player, and then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.

• 15:36Joe Rogan?

  Who came up with the name?

• 15:38Speaker 04

  My brother.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, of, of, it's not an interesting story at all, we get asked all the time. No, we were at a, just in that first stage of, like, coming up with a band name's the hardest thing in the world, and we had nothing, really, that we liked. We had the Dirt Leg Trio, Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my middle name, Brandon Lane.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  And then he shot that over.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I didn't like Red Clay Strays, I don't think any of us did.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Brandon Lane and the Hurricane sounds good, too.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're on the Gulf Coast.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  I might have voted on that.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  Drew came up with that one.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  I like that. But Red Clay's trays is great, too.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's good. You have two great ones to choose from.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Uh, if I need to start another band, I have it in the chamber.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 16:27Joe Rogan?

  God, hopefully not. It seems like, once you got it all together and it's working, like, don't fuck that up.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. I don't, I don't, I don't understand why bands break up. I don't get it.

• 16:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how they can stay together.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  Really?

• 16:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just can't imagine.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  I've had so many... Why do you say that?

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress, you know.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  It just seems like it's very difficult. It's very difficult to manage all these different personalities and to, to keep everything rolling and keep all the, the people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think you gotta have your, your mindset correct, man. Um, and, uh, for us, it's a God thing. If you are just chasing worldly things, I guess, and worried about me and how I'm getting done wrong, or how, you know, he's getting on my nerves, and that's what dictates your decisions, I can see, you know, you're gonna walk away from that, because people suck and people are always gonna fail you at the end of the day. But when you turn it into a, "I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me," um, and then it becomes a selfless thing, you know. "He who is greatest among you, let him be your servant," is what I, this just always pops in my head. So it's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys? How, you know, when we'd have to share a hotel room, we would all, all five of us be like, "I'll sleep on the floor." "No, no, you're good.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  You take the bed. I'll sleep on the floor." We'd have to fight over who gets the floor. You know what I mean? And then, once it becomes a selfless thing, instead of a selfish thing, you're not, I don't know, and when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another, I don't, I don't really see how you could break up.

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's very unusual, and that sounds fantastic, because that's kind of the opposite of most rock and roll bands. Like, most rock and roll bands, it is all about, you know, the lead singer, or the lead guitarist, and who's the most famous, who gets the most chicks, and who gets the most attention.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't care about any of it.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  So where did that, this mindset, start with you? How did you guys develop this mindset?

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  Is that how you grew up?

• 18:38Speaker 02

  I grew up that way. Yeah, my mother used to read us the Bible as children and stuff. So we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything. And then, so that's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess. You know what I mean? I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something. They were just like, have a relationship with God. That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents. And so, I've always been blessed or cursed with kind of looking at all this as temporary. You know, what's the point in it, kind of thing? You can't take any of it with you. And there's nothing new under the sun. It's all chasing wind. What's the point in all this?

• 19:21Speaker 02

  And so that, really getting into, well, a Creator created you. He created all of this and He put you here for a reason. Well, if that's the case, what's the reason? Okay, if this is the reason, then here I go, God. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna make the leap. And I don't know how it's gonna work out, but I'm just gonna trust you, work hard and trust you. And that's really all we've done. You know, there's no plan to it. We get asked quite often, how do you make it? And I just work hard and trust God. That's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with. Because the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities, you know, many days, many months, many years down the road

• 20:06Speaker 02

  that we could have never planned. And we've just been, just, and then you can look back and acknowledge the stepping stones that He was placing the whole time. And even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, you know, just being able to go back and look at like, wow, I see why that happened now. I see why we went through that. I see, that's just crazy to, crazy to go back and look at.

• 20:29Joe Rogan?

  That's very wise for a young person to think that way. Like, how old are you now?

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Twenty-nine.

• 20:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're very young. And when you started, that's even younger. To be able to think that way at an early age, there's nothing new under the sun. Like, what's my purpose? My purpose is to serve. My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path. It's very unusual.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I, I, cool.

• 20:59Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's great. It's great. It's a great example for people.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:02Joe Rogan?

  Because it is a mindset and that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, who's my favorite Elvis.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  That was the fun Elvis.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Seventies Elvis karate?

• 21:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love the fake karate.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Big Elvis?

• 21:20Joe Rogan?

  Where all the people play along with it.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Come on, man.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  I would have been nice to him.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Well, you had to lose.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, he would have made you.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  You had to lose. I want to see Elvis or Steven Seagal do some sparring.

• 21:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, Steven Seagal's legit at Aikido.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 21:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, he was like the first American to, to run a dojo in Japan.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  Hmm, dang.

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a legit, he was a legit Aikido practitioner. Now, the benefits and the practicality of Aikido are hotly debated. It's not really a great martial art. As a standalone martial art, it's really for samurais to fight against someone who has a sword. So if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's attacking you with a sword. You have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using it against them. But as a standalone martial art, it's not very effective.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  See, I thought he had some of those videos where he was like, he'd just touch somebody and it would fly across the room.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  Not really. He had videos where guys, it was demonstration. So guys would run at him with a very specific thing and he would flip them.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:27Joe Rogan?

  But he could fuck you up, you know, if he didn't know what you're doing. But the problem is if you knew what you're doing, you'd fuck him up.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

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• 23:53Speaker 04

  And now the Dagestanis are taking over.

• 23:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's grappling, it's been around forever.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  Wrestling. But what Elvis was doing was kempo, kempo karate with Ed Parker. And it's pretty clear that he took like some classes, you know, like he throws kicks in the air and stuff, but it wasn't very good.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  He wasn't a black belt.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Did he have a black belt?

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he had like a seventh degree or some crazy shit.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  He had the Elvis black belt.

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  See, I did martial arts in middle school. I did shadow con karate, and I loved it. And a part of me wants to get back into it, but there's the whole Elvis thing.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  He'd never really leave it down.

• 24:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is Elvis.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit, like these thrusts, like they're pretending they can hit him and he doesn't feel it. One of my... This is crazy. Like, all this, this is just fucking nonsense.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  This is gonna be branded on Halloween.

• 24:50Joe Rogan?

  This is fucking nonsense.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Hey, dude, he was on top of the world.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  He was. Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world. That's really the important point, is that he went crazy for sure, but everybody goes crazy when you get that famous, and no one had ever been that famous before.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  There was no guidebook for him to follow. There was no Michael Jackson before him, there was no Prince, there was no nobody. So, it's just, nobody can handle that kind of fame, especially in the, you know, 1970s. Nobody...

• 25:24Speaker 02

  He blew up at 19, I think.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No way you're gonna be normal.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  Good luck. And then you got an evil manager that's feeding you pills and you're all fucked up and

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  You're stuck in Vegas and he's gambling everything away.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yep, that's gonna be my manager.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  We pick on Cody, you just met him back there, it's like you're just gonna end up being Colonel, bro. One day.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  The Snowman.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Nah, we hold each other accountable.

• 25:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good, cuz at least now for famous people, there's a roadmap.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:57Joe Rogan?

  And you can kinda see where the pitfalls are, you can see, oh, that's Britney Spears Road, don't go down there. You know what I mean? Like, you can see all the, the things that people... You know what I'm saying? Like, you've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life. And get caught up in the moment. And, and then also, the fact that you're very religious helps a lot. Because you don't believe the hype, right? Like, you believe in higher power, you believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us. If you believe in that, you, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars. Where they think they're superior to everyone else. Because they get treated that way, that's the reinforcement they get.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere they go, people are cheering when they see them, people want them to sign things and take selfies with them, everybody wants a hug. And everybody wants to be your best friend, and you really start to believe because of the, the information that you're getting. The information you're getting is I'm better than everybody else, right? And if you don't have a lot of personal insight, and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that. And you'll start behaving and believing like that, and then comes the pills.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  I think that's...

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Pick yourself back up.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  I think that's where we benefit from, like, a solo act, is that we have five, you have five individuals that are gonna check each other. We always say the pack will correct.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  So if somebody acted out, you know, we might let you go for a couple of days, but then you're gonna wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  We've done that, all of us have had that at some point in our careers together.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  And we...

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  That's very good.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  We always too, um, just think about what you were talking about, uh... We're, we're, we think we suck. So, like, the, the feeding into the, I'm better than everybody, oh, I'm famous. It's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here, you know, people. They find new hobbies and new things they like, especially now faster than ever. People's attention spans are so short nowadays, it's like.

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  We're on top right now, yeah, but they'll, they'll forget about us.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  I think so, too.

• 28:04Speaker 05

  I a hundred percent agree. Like, I don't never want to be content with anything I'm doing. Like, I, I always will have notes for myself. Like, even after, we have like a solid show or something. I'm like, well, I just missed like ten notes, then it felt like Guitar Hero in my head, you know, when you're and they start booing you. That's what happens in my head. It's like, get it together, man.

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  It's better that way. I mean, that's gonna force you to constantly work at it, constantly try to get better. The people that believe that they're the best already, you know, where are you gonna go from there?

• 28:39Speaker 05

  That's exactly how we think.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. There was, there was, we get asked a lot at VIP, what was the moment you knew you made it? I'm like, I don't, I don't want to make it. Once after making it, you know? I don't want to just be there and make it.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Making it to me is like the film where the people hold hands and walk off in the sunset. That's a crock of shit. You gotta wake up in the morning, okay, what do you want for breakfast? You know, it's like, life goes on. And this idea that there's gonna be a goal, where you're gonna get to a spot someday where you could rest? That's nonsense.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  That's when you die.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Take a day off every now and then, nothing wrong with that. But this idea that you're gonna get to a place where, well, I made it, it's over.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  I'm set for life.

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did it. It's all bullshit.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich. It never ends.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  If, if you think like that, yeah. If that's the thought process of you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, okay, we did it. It's never happening.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I kinda, I say that to people too. Just from the outside looking in, you think like, if you've never done it before, man, it'd be cool to get a song on a show, it'd be cool to get a platinum single, it'd be cool to sell out Red Rocks. And once you do it, it's like, okay, we did it, nothing changed. It's like, when your birthday comes, do you feel older? You feel older? No, I feel the same. It's here, you know?

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  So, I mean-

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  It's good to have goals, it's good to have milestones, but at the end of the day, I guess the process. And the thing that you were talking about, like honoring this gift that you have, that's what it's all about, that's what it's all about. And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position, and you're very fortunate, and so because of that, you owe it to this gift that you've been given, and you owe it to the people that love you, the people that come to see you, to keep doing your best.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Well, we do stray, to play on our name a little bit, I think we do stray a little bit from the industry. Cause our fanbase is a lot of sad people, a lot of depressed people, a lot of people who, you know, were suicidal.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  So, and we make music for that fanbase, I guess. And you're not gonna hear that at like a country music festival on the beach.

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  How do you know that about your fans?

• 31:01Speaker 02

  We get messages every day.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  We, and sometimes they email, email our agents and stuff. We had one lady who sent us an email saying, she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music. As she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, she, our song, "I'm Still Fine" came on, and it kinda, you know, snapped her out of it a little bit, and she started crying and immediately regretted it, and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did, and they rushed her to the hospital and did whatever at the hospital for someone who takes a lot of pills at once, and saved her life pretty much, and uh-

• 31:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was so moving. And that's what really makes it worth it for us because touring is a lot. Touring sucks a lot of the times. And if we were just doing it to be popular, to be famous, or to be relevant, make money. I don't think that's enough to keep me going because being on the road is very hard. What keeps us going is those stories and seeing how our music at our, at the concerts, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way. And so, I don't know, that's just where we get our fulfillment from.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?

• 32:29Speaker 02

  A lot of it came from us not feeling good. Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band. And, you know, they just, our song drowning, Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber, trying to keep the bills paid. My goal was to make a hundred bucks a day for Uber. And driving for Uber Mobile, Alabama sucks. I'd have to do like 12, 14 hours a day to get that.

• 32:57Joe Rogan?

  To get a hundred bucks?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then most of the time spent.

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  So that was just five years ago?

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  And we were locally famous at the time, so I was picking up people. And they were, "Oh, my God, Rick L. Strays." Get in. Hop in.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 33:10Speaker 02

  I don't want to talk about it.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Makes her leave a tip.

• 33:15Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  I picked up like, and I was driving a Hyundai Sonata and I had to, I picked up like five black dudes, they wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the stripper club. And I was like, "You can't, all five of y'all can't fit in here. I can only take like four at the most." So they had to leave one behind. And I had to take them like 30 minutes across town. That's how mobile is. Everything is like a 30-minute drive. And so I took them 30 minutes across town to the stripper club. There's some very interesting people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  And they probably want to talk to you.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Sometimes. The worst was people with bad BO.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Get in your car with bad BO?

• 33:56Joe Rogan?

  And then leave it?

• 33:57Speaker 02

  I'm like a-

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  And leave that smell in your car?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  I'm like a germ freak, so-

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  Are you really?

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Sometimes, yeah, and especially with smells.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  I can't get like a fresh air. I feel like I'm suffocating. And this frat guy got in my car one time and he's- He was something, and he was going to Lowe's to get like a something for a beer pong table. He was getting ready to have a frat party and I had to drive him to Lowe's. And he had smelled like he had never taken a shower. And so I was just trying not to freak out. I was just like leaning like that.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I was sweating by the time he got out of the car.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  Dry heaving up front.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  Driving a hundred miles an hour to get him out the car.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  I'd pick some people up. Oh, people just put too much faith in Uber drivers. I'd pick up people from the hospital. I picked up a blind lady from the hospital. That's what they do. If they don't have any family, they'll call them. They'll get them an Uber, and I had to help this blind lady get into her house. I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery. He couldn't walk. I had to get him in my car. And they got him a hotel, I guess, so I had to take him to the hotel. And I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed. And I was just thinking, what if this wasn't me?

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  You know?

• 35:12Joe Rogan?

  What if it was an eighty-pound lady?

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, or just somebody who didn't even care. Get out of my car, you know? That's just, that kind of blew my mind a little bit, how much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers. It's very sad.

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, one thing I found out during COVID, that it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses.

• 35:32Joe Rogan?

  I used to, this is how naive I was. I was like, well, doctors, they go to universities. They do it so that they can become the best doctor they can, and then they work for these hospitals that are set up- So that all the people in the city have medical care. And this is like part of the city services. I really believe that. I really thought that. And then I have some friends that are doctors and they would tell me, no, no, no. Not only that, you're incentivized. You're incentivized to push certain medications. You're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need. And you have to challenge your own ethics. Cause you you'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you kinda could justify it, but really shouldn't get it. I'm like, oh, fuck, man, really?

• 36:16Joe Rogan?

  And then, you know, I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this. Cause they tell you like, you just, at the end of the day, like, why did I go to school? Like, I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine because I thought that would be really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding. You're helping people that are injured, that are sick. And then he got just enlightened to like what the business really is. And it's just about numbers.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:45Joe Rogan?

  He got sick.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Instagram reels will scare you too with all that stuff.

• 36:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, I went down a rabbit hole last night. Just sitting in my bed, I shouldn't have done this. It was like nine o'clock. There's no reason for me to look at dick lengthening videos. What? It just popped up on Instagram, you know, in like the for you section.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  Stay away from that for you. I didn't ask for it. I don't know what happened. How many videos did you watch? Oh, I watched a lot of them. I watched hours worth of it. It's fucking horrific, man. Three inches of hidden penis. It's not just that, man. It's like they're, these guys are getting these things put in their dicks so that their dicks are thicker. Oh my God. See, the thing about YouTube is YouTube, you want to see some videos? Yeah, might as well. We're here. So I'll pull up my history. YouTube can actually, so the thing is, this guy was like, go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries. I'm like, no fucking way. And yeah, fucking way.

• 37:51Joe Rogan?

  YouTube will actually show you the surgery. We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie? Yeah, like it's education in purpose. These dudes are just digging. They're just digging in dicks and it is horrific.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  Alright. You know what?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Once you get on that dark side of Instagram, usually it's when Brandon sends me reels.

• 38:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part. And then he sends it to me and then I'm thirty minutes deep into feeling uncomfortable with my life.

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why isn't it showing up in my... I don't really wanna fuck up my algorithm by looking for this. Alright, we don't have to. You guys can trust me. Have to start searching hard. Um, so, what, this... You got one? This is an ad by BetterHelp. When you have a problem, when you're feeling down, it's nice having someone to turn to, like a partner who can cheer you up, a friend to vent to, a parent who can give you advice. Even having a nice conversation with a stranger can be uplifting. Whoever you like to turn to, though, probably won't have all the answers. That's where therapy comes in. There are some things that you can get from therapy you can't get anywhere else. Like, if you're struggling with anxiety or depression, a therapist can help you develop positive coping skills.

• 39:06Joe Rogan?

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• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  at betterhelp.com/jre. That's better H-E-L-P dot com slash J-R-E. So, this is what happened. So, I'm looking in the For You page and it was like, I saw this thing that said, "Plus two inches and three inches of girth." And it's, this guy's got what looks like a... Like a flounder fillet and he's dipping it in this liquid. And I'm like, what is that? I'm like, is this guy operating on a dick? Is this what's going on here? So it's like this plastic sheet, this flexible stuff that looks like, like a fillet. And he's like dunking it in this, this stuff. I don't know what this liquid is.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  It's like, there's a dark liquid and a clear liquid. And this guy's explaining, he's gonna have so much more confidence. He's gonna have so much more girth and this and. And I'm like, no fucking way. You're getting your dick operated on? This is crazy. Like, if you have to get your dick operated on, like, okay, I gotta do this. I can't believe I gotta do this. But I got a dick problem. Some people sign up for it. I got a dick cancer or something. Like, the dick has to get fixed. I gotta get it fixed. This is just regular dicks that people are like, I'm not happy with my dick. I, I wish my dick was hard all the time. And so, one of the guys, like, his dick was like eight inches flaccid all the time. Because he had this fucking tube stuck in there.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  This fucking PVC pipe that they had stuffed into his hog. And it's just, and so, in YouTube, because it's medical, they could show you. So the guy just drops his shorts. I'm like, no, fuck. And this guy's got this Franken penis. And with like, by the way, he's got the head of a little dick, but the body of a giant dick. So it's like, you know, like, they, they took a guy who's like, got a little tiny body, and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  How do you deal with that on a daily basis?

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a lot of play. Um, he was in the. Good for him, dude. He was in the rainbow community. And it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town. And quite happy that it never got soft. Quite literally laying pipe. Yeah, literally, literally piping. Do you ever? Oh, Jesus, Jamie.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  It's a banana.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  That's a banana.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay, alright.

• 42:10Speaker 00

  They're showing how they do it.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, this, what is this one? This is girth. See, that's where we. Oh, this is a fat injection. And this guy was, he was dismissing fat injections. Like, fat injections are nonsense. You need the plastic.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  I think I would pass out. You wouldn't even need to do.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  You probably would be awake.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you wouldn't need anesthesia on me. Cause I would just, I'd pass out.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  And then one guy, they install, oh that's crazy too. They break their legs and they stretch it out. There's a guy that I've been watching, what is it, Brian the Sasquatch? Is that, that's his new Instagram? The guy was already six feet tall, but he wanted to be six foot, and he's a gigantic dude. Like, built like a brick shithouse. And he got his legs stretched out, like a year and a half ago, and he still hasn't recovered.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, imagine not.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, your, your mechanics are all off. So if you were an athlete and you're used to having legs of a six foot man, and now your legs have grown six inches. Like, you're.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, your arms aren't gonna be proportionate either.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, he had very long arms. Unusually long arms.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  So does it look proportionate?

• 43:13Joe Rogan?

  Totally looks normal. Looks like he's just a giant dude. For him, but for other people, yeah, it looks fucking weird. This is the guy. So this is him trying to jump ropes now. So like, he could barely walk. But look at the size of this motherfucker. So he's got kinda, like, this is him now.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  His knees aren't even.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  No, he's all messed up. Like, that's why he's got knee braces on. I'm sure his knees are super confused. Like, he can barely walk.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  What are we doing to ourselves?

• 43:38Speaker 04

  I mean, do you think eventually, you would, you would get the, the strength in the right places?

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes, eventually. There's a guy, we looked up this one guy who did it. Remember that one guy who was running those, uh, athletic drills? But he was doing sprinting and plyometrics. Some people have to, but I don't think he gained six inches. This guy gained like, half a foot.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Look, they're gonna get to the point where with CRISPR, they're just gonna edit your genes, and there's gonna be no normal looking people anymore. Like, all the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin. Like, all that shit's gonna go away.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  It's getting weird, man.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to get rid of Down syndrome. Yeah. Probably a good idea.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  That wouldn't be terrible.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  Listen, I mean, there's nothing wrong, it's, they're sweet people. You know, my friend Shane, he's got family members that are Down syndrome, and he loves them very dearly. But, if you could do that, and they could be normal functioning members of society, that would be a better thing.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Just delete that gene?

• 44:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, manipulate it.

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna be able to do that. They're gonna be able to do a lot of things.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Then we're gonna be birthing super babies once they like it all the things usually always seem like they start good. And then they go really bad and then we're creating super humans in the womb.

• 44:50Joe Rogan?

  We're at the cusp of some really, really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering and.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  China, they're I heard I've read something where they can like they're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  See, that's where that's where ethics gets a little weird cuz then you're playing you're playing God then.

• 45:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something that happens is communication between the mother and the child through the entire time. So are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath?

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Because like this this baby is not gonna get any love, no oxytocin, there's nothing from the mother. There's no bond with the mother. When the mother's stressed, the baby feels stressed.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain like goes into the baby.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. There's there's a lot going. There's communication. This is why like the mother has to like be up on her nutrients cuz the baby is like taking nutrients from the mother and if the the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother. So it's like an artificial womb. It's like you're you're opening the door for Satan. Like if you believe in in that, like if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way than have no connection? You know, that was what one of the things that happened to the Unabomber. The Unabomber, I watched the Netflix documentary on him and one of the things that happened to him when he was young, he had some sort of a disease where he had to be separated from his mom. And they put him in a hospital with no contact.

• 46:12Joe Rogan?

  He had no for a prolonged period of time as a baby. No one picked him up, no one held him, no nothing for a long, long time. And then is that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered in him into the Harvard LSD studies. And then so he was in the Harvard LSD studies and he was there were this is during the MKUltra period. So the MKUltra period, they were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA. One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they were they opened up brothels in San Francisco. And they would put two-way mirrors in and they would dose these Johns up with LSD.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  So the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA and they would go in here, have a drink and the guy would have a drink and then next thing you know is like.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 47:04Joe Rogan?

  And they were just trying to experiment and see, this is also a part of what the Charles Manson family was about and they were doing all kinds of shit with people where they're trying to figure out what can we do to humans?

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  If we can manipulate them with LSD and they did it to Kaczynski and we saw what happened with him.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  And Tuskegee, Alabama with the syphilis, back in the day.

• 47:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was even more evil.

• 47:25Speaker 04

  Where they were just seeing what would kinda happen.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 04

  Well, it's still like human experimenting with, without them knowing.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  It's a very scary situation.

• 47:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine, that there are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil, for profit, for whatever justification they can come up with.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  No value for human life.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  None, none. And I think one of the problems with doctors, and my friend who's a doctor told me this, like you just get numb when you see too many people die. He's like, it's a very, it's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone, you're like, well, he's gonna die and then you go have a sandwich.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  We're getting numb as a society of seeing people die.

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:14Joe Rogan?

  I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  That is evil. That's-

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  Bizarre, it's just bizarre, like normal people that I think, think they're good people and they think, they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy. And I don't think they're right and I think they were indoctrinated and I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  He's not a bad guy.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  I don't wanna see him, I don't wanna see anybody die.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  First of all, he's fucking your age, right?

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  He's a young guy, right? And he would go around college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people, have debates with people.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 48:52Joe Rogan?

  But it infuriated people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society. But what he did not feel like was progress. Like it was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses. It's a leftist Marxist sort of agenda. He didn't feel like that was the correct way to live and he felt like he had arguments against it and he wanted, and it was, you know, it's a business too, right?

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  Like he developed this big social media platform because of it and- I, you know, I don't, like you said, I don't agree, I don't think he, some of the things he said he should have said. But the fact that people were cheering when he died, normal people, housewives, moms, like fucking people working at banks, people working at various industries, celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids. In front of the whole world.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  That's evil.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is wrong with us?

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's evil. Um, I don't know, that kind of, I think it, it really, it made me feel extra weird too, because it was an innocent man. I'll give some leniency, you know, maybe, uh, they're doing a public execution of like a, a mass murderer or a child rapist, you know, something like that. But that, seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation, get shot in front of his kids.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  And people celebrate that, it made me feel, uh, made me feel a certain way.

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was not justice, but I think people are poisoned by social media. I really, really firmly believe that. I think, I think social media has people completely twisted. And I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic. I think it's all on purpose, that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements, either in our government or other governments. And they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends, and it's dark.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  There's a Proverbs verse, um, it's, I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, "He who doesn't find me harms himself, and he who loves death hates me." And that, you know, if you love God, and you, you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed.

• 51:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  That's just, there's the line right there, there's evil and good right there.

• 51:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  And so there's, there's no justification for that. And we actually, cause I, we've always made a point in the band to not get political. We don't care what your politics are, we just come, listen to our music and come have fun at our show, we don't care. Every one of us in the band, originally, we all have different views politically and religiously in some type of way, but we managed to be brothers and, you know, be in a band together. So we, I've just gotten, and I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been so jaded from it, so, and I don't want to ever like divide my fanbase or anything, you know, how you vote or how you believe is none of my business, we are here to entertain you.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  And so I'd never want to use my platform to do that, but we're just, we got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity, we actually, we had wrote a song about it in April in the studio called "People Hatin'", and that's, we weren't gonna put it out as a single at first, we were gonna do another, another song, but after the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, hey, we got together and we were like, I think we need to put "People Hatin'" out instead for the first single, because it's, we've gotta start, we've gotta stop killing each other over beliefs and stop hating each other over beliefs, you know?

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking insane.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Everybody's race is different, everybody's experiencing life different, and everybody's trying to figure it out the same as you are. And it's just really weird now.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  It's really weird and it's celebrated to hate people, and that's, that's the weird part, and most of us know that that's wrong. And that's why, like, when this Charlie Kirk thing happens, there's a giant blowback, and most people recognize, like, hey, as a collectively, as, as a society, this is not right. Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world, this is, it's not a thing to celebrate, ever. And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives, these are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence, public execution, like, that's insane. This episode is brought to you by Visible.

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• 55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you can't, you can't be for, you can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a gun.

• 55:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. But that's, that hypocrisy is just a symptom of where we, where we find ourselves. We're, we're all just... So many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online. And again, a lot of that's not normal. It's not organic. It's not real. It's not real people. And it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  You're only getting it through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media and videos where someone's just talking to the camera, celebrating on social media. It's like, it's very strange.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Most of the time you walk around, because we travel all over the place. And most time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone and just walk around in society.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  It's really, really not that bad.

• 56:17Joe Rogan?

  It's not that bad. And that is the key, but most people are not going to get off their phone.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  And that's what's fucked. Most people, most people are just fully hooked on that damn thing.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  You think it's weird now, wait till all these, uh, wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these tablet babies grow up.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  You've seen the videos of taking the tablets away and the babies are like freaking out and having withdrawals and stuff?

• 56:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're being raised with it.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Our generation was probably the, the last to not have, I mean, we didn't have technology growing up. We had dial-up internet and we didn't get that till I was, you know, forty through middle school.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  I didn't have a smartphone till I was sixteen.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, you still have an Android.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, but that's better.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  All right, buddy.

• 56:57Joe Rogan?

  Why, why are you an Android guy?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  I've always been an Android guy because I was, I'll give you some, I was, we, we didn't grow up rich, so.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  That's my argument, just to play around that.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones and neither, I really didn't care. I didn't even know what an iPhone was. I just got whatever phone I could buy.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  To text people.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  My dad got me the, I mean, my, my parents got me the, uh, you know, the little sidekick and stuff. So I've always been on the Android side. And then when I started working as a teenager, I, I saved up and I bought my own, like, smartphone from one of those, uh, cell phone shops on like, in the strip mall. And, uh, it's just, it was Android. I never, I never really got into the, I never cared, first of all, what phone people have. It's you guys who care.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 57:44Joe Rogan?

  This is, I have both, but it is, it's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has, uh, an Android phone, they're looked down on.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, it's weird.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  It's like something like eighty plus percent of kids have iPhones.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Man, I was, it was after show one time, it was after show one time, a long time ago. And I was talking to this girl, this is like way back in the day, and she's like, yeah, maybe we get your number. And then I pulled out my phone, she's like, oh, you have an Android? I just walked off. Just walked off.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  She didn't like you anymore?

• 58:17Speaker 02

  Green bubble, yeah.

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 58:21Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that weird? It's weird. It's weird, but it's like, it just shows you how easy people fall into tribes. You know?

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Over anything.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  What we were just talking about.

• 58:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Even down to the, to phone, if you have something different than somebody, they automatically don't like you. It can be religion, it can be politics, it can be the dang phone in your pocket.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  When iPhone babies grow up, they're gonna be killing each other over phones.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  What about the Android babies?

• 58:46Speaker 02

  We just wanna be left alone now.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  See, this is the identity.

• 58:51Joe Rogan?

  It's a rebels phone.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Oh, rebels phone.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  If you choose it, if you choose it, it's a rebels phone. If, if it chooses you, it's like, one day I wanna get a fucking iPhone. I get out of this job, I'm gonna get a real job, and I'm gonna get an iPhone.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  But the people that choose it, they're, they're the rebels.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  I'm glad I married an iPhone user, I'll tell you that. I'm glad my wife has an iPhone, and we can send cool emojis.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  See, you say that. I married an iPhone user, and I don't care if she has an iPhone.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  That's sweet.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  You're glad that you married an iPhone user, I don't care that I married an iPhone user, I love her anyway.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  It feels like you're trying to be superior over him now.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 59:26Joe Rogan?

  By virtue of calling.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Brendan's just like the left.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  Calling out your superiority complex, he's being superior.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Just can't win with these people.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, now he's playing, now he's playing victim.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  Well, the owner, Tim, uh, what's his name?

• 59:40Speaker 02

  You don't even know.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  He is from, he is from where we are from. I'm supporting a local. Now, has he ever put an Apple Store in Mobile, Alabama? Absolutely not. Do we deserve one? Probably not.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  We don't. It'll get robbed, dude.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  Maybe the phone, the phones should be made in America one day.

• 59:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  But, American company?

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, if they made an Amer- I always said that if they made an American phone that had like a little American flag on the back, but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Who do you think's gonna make it?

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it would have to be a company that start- the problem is, the, the goal of doing that is a long goal. Like, you would have to develop the chips, you'd have to have a plant. Like, Samsung tried to put in a- they were putting a, a microchip plant in Texas, and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough. Like, so, the- all of them don't meet their standards, you know, and a certain percentage of them weren't, and it was a much lower standard than they needed, and so it didn't work out. Like, and you're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it. So, in China, they've got that shit perfected. They've been doing it for so long, because we've relied on them for so long.

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  And don't they have their own phone as well?

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they have a lot of phones.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Isn't it- well, I forgot what it's called. They have a special Chinese phone.

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, Huawei, because they were banned here, so Google and, uh, Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems, because it's basically a spy device. But guess what? So are all of them. If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I- that's something- that's always been something that does not bother me personally. I don't have anything to hide, first of all.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  What about your DMs?

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  It's not- the problem is not that.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Well, I-

• 1:01:17Joe Rogan?

  The problem is not you having something to hide. The problem is, no one should have access to your private information.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  No, they should not.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Whether or not it's, it's, you know, bad, that, that shouldn't mean anything. No one should have access.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  No, they should not.

• 1:01:31Joe Rogan?

  Because it's an individual. No individual should be able to look at your phone, you can't look at theirs. It's, it's a power thing, it's a control thing.

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  Well, you can guarantee the government's got everything.

• 1:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's not just the government, it's other, foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person. Like, foreign governments, there's a thing called Pegasus 2. All they need is your phone number. That's all they need. So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number. And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those. You know, when Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the government contacted him and said, we know you're trying to interview Putin. We were looking into your Signal app. And he's like, what?

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  That's wild.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  You can read my fucking Signal app? Yeah.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  So it's just like the government's saying, back off China, spying on Americans is our job.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, because of the Patriot Act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal. They're allowed to. They're allowed to spy on you.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  I think they would, can make it illegal and we still wouldn't know.

• 1:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter. They would find some sort of a fucking loophole. And, or they'd pass some bill, they'd stick it in some farm bill, something. We think, oh, this is good. We're gonna help the farmers. And you look in there like, hey, what's this doing in there?

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some some stuff in the, in the big beautiful bill where it's like they were trying to sell some national park land or something.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes. They were trying to sell public land. It was a part of the big beautiful bill. Yeah, I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that out of there.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  I remember that.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking sick.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  I thought that was illegal.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  It should be.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Foreign countries.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  It should be. They're trying to change laws. That's the thing. Like foreign countries owning land around military bases. That's crazy.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  That's weird too.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  Where, where was, yeah, why is that happening?

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Can't do that in China. Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases. Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity with our freedom, but that doesn't mean the government should be fucking spying on you. The thing is, in other countries, they just are. Like in China, they just are. And, you know, and the argument is if we want to compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  Aren't they about to start, or they already have the social point system?

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Social credit score.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, social credit score.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face, so they have biometrics, they get a photo of your face, they know it's you. You think it's ding, now you can't buy a plane ticket.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  It's like Black Mirror stuff.

• 1:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, it's just like that. Well, they're passing that in the UK right now. In the UK, you need a digital ID. To combat, ready for it, illegal immigration. Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose. Like you guys knew what you were doing. And now you're using it as a justification for digital ID.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  I just watched one this morning, actually, about, it was a British judge, a guy got sentenced.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  I saw that, yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  For however many years for a social.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Twenty months, social media post.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  For a social media post. It's, it's. It was about immigration.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  It's complaining about immigration.

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  It's wild.

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's wild, it's crazy. And, you know, it's the best way to control people, you know, and keep them at each other's throats. Like, bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there, and let them duke it out, and then start instituting tighter and tighter restrictions and control.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see, I see all that happening, and it always makes me wonder. I wonder how it's gonna go down here, because we are the different ones with the, with the guns and stuff. I wonder how far it's gonna go here before something happens, something pops off.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna try.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know that.

• 1:05:00Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna try, and they're gonna keep, keep trying. They're gonna continue to try, and they're gonna try to sneak it in, and if it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble. It would have already happened, it would have already happened, they would have put it, they were trying to institute a vaccine passport, and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID, so that you would know. But that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score, and, and then they wanted to do a carbon tax. So they wanna do a, a thing that tracks your carbon, so it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases, so it tracks how much carbon you're, you're, you're contributing to the environment, it's, it's crazy.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  And somehow paying more money will, will stop that.

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that's what we need to do. You just need to tax people more.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Tax people more, and it's all gonna come and make normal in the end, it'll be perfect.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Utopia.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Farmer with cows, you gotta pay taxes on those cows, cause they're farting.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Cause they're farting.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about in other countries, they're killing cows. They're, they're forcing them to kill cows, cause these cows are producing too much methane. So they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows, 1,000 cows.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  Food.

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they control your food, that's exactly what it is.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  I remember when all those uh, those uh, chicken farm or chicken houses burnt down a few years ago.

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  That was really weird too.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's real weird, but the chickens, chicken houses do burn down. What's also weird is they, they had to kill a bunch of chickens because some of these chickens had bird flu.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Well, hopefully that's true.

• 1:06:24Speaker 04

  Those people's livestock's bringing popping up dead too, a bunch of cattle?

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  There was a couple of years ago, this one farmer posted a video like all of his cattle were just dead in the.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  In the field.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  In the field and they said it was because of the heat or something, but this farmer had just tons of dead cows just all of a sudden. It was going on the same time as the, the chicken houses burning down, so it could have just been, you know, news adding on to news kind of thing. This is what's in right now.

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, maybe it's aliens.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe so.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  Like cattle mutilations.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Well, the alien thing is, the alien thing is just another interesting topic. Like you see, you, I'll get random, there's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky. And uh, it's like a big deal for a few days and then you don't really talk about it anymore. Did you see the, that one thing that lady was filming, she was like, hi, do you know Jesus? The wheels were like going crazy?

• 1:07:16Joe Rogan?

  No, what is that?

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  It's like a.

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  It's also hard to know what's real.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  AI, yeah.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, and the interesting thing about that though is it, somebody in the Bible described seeing something, uh, one of the angels or something.

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Ezekiel.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the wheels on wheels.

• 1:07:32Joe Rogan?

  Within a wheel.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  And that's what this thing was and she said, do you know Jesus? And then the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast and I was like, whoa, man, I hope that was real, that's pretty cool.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man, is this it?

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  That looks like a rocket launch.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  I know, I can't, but my fingers don't work.

• 1:07:50Joe Rogan?

  She zooms in on Orb and speaks to it.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  Sorry guys.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  She says, Jesus loves me. She's definitely have an android. Look how fucking true it is.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  It's gonna turn into the moon here in a second, watch.

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing. If you zoom in on stuff, especially stuff through the atmosphere, things look very blurry. Like, if you zoom in on stars, they totally look like there's some sort of a fucking spaceship.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  It, yeah, see how-

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  But it's just a star.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  She said, when she says, "Do you know Jesus?", it starts like, uh, starts moving. I think it's towards the end, but yeah, you get the idea. It's just...

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  Yes, he is.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  That looks like, kinda looks like a weather balloon. Maybe it's one of them Chinese babbalons again.

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Wait, play that. Let me hear her say it.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  "Jesus loves me."

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Look, look, look, look, look.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  "Oh, you know Jesus."

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  "You know Jesus."

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  "You know Jesus. Jesus is awesome, isn't he?"

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jesus rocks. But if that is real, dude-

• 1:08:53Speaker 00

  Yes, he is.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  And that random lady's just filming that?

• 1:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, that is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in. So, there's a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention. They go out into the desert in a clear night sky, and they have this intention to call these things in. And they're all silently calling these things in, and apparently, it's effective. Occasionally, I don't know how often, but it's not zero. Sometimes, these things show up.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Who's that guy? He was on Sean Ryan. Um, he's old man Chris something.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  But he, people like celebrities go out to his-

• 1:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  His land, and he's like, "I can call these things on command, they'll show up", and people go out to see it.

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know about all that.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:41Joe Rogan?

  It's hard.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  You should go to, you should go there.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Investigate.

• 1:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't want to.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  People will trust what you say.

• 1:09:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the problem is, I don't know what I'm seeing.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Well, don't tell anybody. Just go out for yourself.

• 1:09:50Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, you don't know what you're seeing. It could be a, it could be a drone, it could be anything.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  It could be fucking Starlink.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  This guy's-

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  Do you have the pay to go do it?

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  I can't remember that guy's name, it's driving me crazy, but yeah, he, uh, he wrote a book called UFOs of God. And, uh, I started listening to it. And I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff, so I got like the first three chapters in, but it was really interesting. Um, he's worked with, he's, NASA showed up at his house.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Chris Bledsoe.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I watched his, uh, Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is. I watched his podcast, it was an interesting lesson.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  And so, th- this guy, what does he think these things are?

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Um, they're related with God somehow, they're, uh...

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  This is what Tucker believes.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I believe it too.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people believe that these things are not from another world, that they're, they've always been here.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  And they're a part of our world that just don't show themselves to us. Does this guy have videos of these things? Watch this with an open heart, okay? Show me what you got. Okay, something moving. Oh. There's a lot. Okay, what the fuck is that?

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  I think you should go out there and take him out, just don't tell anybody.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  That could be bugs. I see that if I look up in the sky in Austin all the time.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd. That's different, yeah. That thing's very odd, cause that's clearly moving. It's, I mean, you see flashes. But the thing is, it's like, you're zooming in, right, so you get distortion. Right, so you don't know, and then, see, it's going behind the cloud, that, you don't know what that is. Have you ever seen the Space Station flyover? Mm-hmm. How, have you seen the Space Station flyover? Yeah, I've seen it once.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  I've had pictures of it before.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Does it look like that?

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  So, yeah, it's really slow moving, because, yeah, it's just a tiny little dog.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  It's usually just one, though.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Well, the rest of those, that's, the rest of that stuff kinda looks like bugs.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that looks like bugs.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  From the backyard.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem, is it like, if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that, looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space. Yeah, that easily could be bugs.

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  But maybe not. That's the problem.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  Interdimensional angelic beings.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Is that what he's calling them?

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  That's what it says. There's more.

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to see some documentation.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  My dad was healed.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Go out there, dude. Wait till the end. What happens in the end?

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  It goes behind the cloud.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  They simply come when I, when we ask in prayer.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Countless others were healed too.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Joe, just go out there and see it and don't tell anybody.

• 1:12:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to waste my time.

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  I feel like if they want to show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.

• 1:12:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they will eventually, maybe if it's gonna happen.

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  Maybe if.

• 1:12:42Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot. Maybe if things get real messy here.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, we'll find out.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  Isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky? I don't know.

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky and about, I've been in the, into the book of Enoch over the last couple of years.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up. I was wanting to talk about that.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  So Rep Lima came in here and she was explaining to me the book of Enoch and I never really got into it. She's like, you know, it could have been included in the Bible and it was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  The first half was, right?

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  The, well, the book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  The whole book?

• 1:13:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the, um, at least part, it's a problem with the book of the Dead Sea Scrolls, rather, it's a lot of it is deteriorated and it's missing chunks and stuff. The book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea Scrolls and it is identical word for word. Wes Huff was explaining that to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  That is wild.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  That's the book that God predicts his own coming to earth and his own death and all that.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, the book of Enoch is the one that predicts, that this is what talks about the watchers and the sky and that these gods.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Trippy aliens.

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Made with humans and created the Nephilim. That is bizarre.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  I've listened, listened to it twice now and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, what are they saying? Like what?

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• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  When you get into like the, because isn't there like Egyptian stuff where there's like men coming down from space?

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Like- Stargates. Is that- There's all sorts of weird shit.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  That, to me, is just like fallen angels.

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  You know? It's all kind of lining up in some kind of way or another. These, whatever rebelled against God and came down here, men from the sky came down here and were pretty much posing as gods and demanding people worship them. And isn't Enoch, where they teach them about money and teach them about-

• 1:16:29Joe Rogan?

  Sorcery.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  Sorcery and-

• 1:16:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sorcery and agriculture and metallurgy. There's all sorts of like weird, they talk about incantations. And then like how to get out of incantations if one gets put on you.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  And you gotta think, this is pre-Jesus. And so God is separated from man. So we're just walking around as people like not knowing what's going on. And these things come down and they're boring giants and stuff. It's like, you know, I'd probably think it's a God too, for God's sakes, you know? Because there wasn't, was the Jews even a thing when the Book of Enoch was written?

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah. It was.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  God's chosen people?

• 1:17:08Joe Rogan?

  The people that argued over whether or not the Book of Enoch should be included in the canon were rabbis.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  It's all so confusing. Is there any explanation of why it would be left out? Well, they felt like it didn't jive with the Torah. I think that's the reason why it was left out.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, when I say that, like, at one point, the Jews were God's chosen people is like they knew the God, the I am, the one true God. But the rest of the world didn't really know what was going on. And so they were worshiping other gods. And so, like, aside from the Jews, the rest of humanity, seeing these things walking around, it's like, I'm sure they would think that's a God, you know? I'm sure they would worship that. What else do they have to believe?

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, if something did come and visit ancient humans. I'm in the middle of this Richard Dolan book, and it's a very interesting book on UFOs. And Richard Dolan, who's a very, like, objective, scientifically-minded author, one of the things he's talking about is this gene expression. It's a de allele that started this gene, it was introduced through breeding. So one of the things that we know is that it came into the human population somewhere around 40,000 years ago. And that this, all geneticists agree that this was introduced through crossbreeding. So the idea was, was it introduced by Neanderthals?

• 1:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Was it introduced by Denisovans? Like, what type of human? Well, the problem is they don't find that gene expression in any other ancient human. Like, they don't find it in Neanderthals, they don't find it. But they do find it in Asia. Like in Mongolia, most people have it. The rest of the world, it's like seventy percent of the people have it, and they think it's responsible for creativity. They think it's responsible for this, this giant change in the artwork that people start producing around forty thousand years ago. And his assertion, or his question, the hypothesis, is that it was introduced by some other species. And this is also part of what is talked about,

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  not just in the Book of Enoch, but also in the Sumerian text. They, they talk about what happened that created human beings. And so what he's talking about is this one woman of, that was an academic, I forget her name, but she wrote these books about it, where she believes that human beings are some sort of a hybrid species, and that we were genetically manipulated to be what we are now.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  And I think, going back to the flood, because like every other religion has some type of evidence of a great flood, correct?

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  So, at one point or another, if God's creation did get corrupt.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  And, that was pretty much the great reset of, um, I've got a, he had to get rid of all that, that he didn't create. And, uh, I forgot where I was going with that, but yeah.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do all have a flood myth. And now, now because of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, we know that there most likely was massive floods all over the earth somewhere around eleven thousand eight hundred years ago.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I, I just think about stuff like that, when they find this skull that they can't link anything to, or find stuff that doesn't, that can't link anything to. It's like, we don't really know what happened a long time ago. We can pretend that we did, but I personally believe there was a, an advanced civilization way back in the day before all that.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of evidence that points to that.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There, there was also new evidence that just emerged out of China. They found a Homo sapiens skull that's one million years old.

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  Well, it's China.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It's still, it's like, it's, it's an actual Homo sapiens skull that was carbon dated to a million years old. So that, that predates what we thought of as the emergence of Homo sapiens by 500,000 years.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  And that's just what we found, right? They might find another one six months from now that's 2 million years old. It's like, they don't really know. We're piecing things together, we're piecing the past together with a very limited amount of information, very limited evidence. And evidence of fossils, it's very difficult to make a fossil. Most fossils, they just don't, they don't happen. The animals eat the bones, the bones deteriorate in the sun. Like, there's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen for something to be fossilized.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Haven't they found some fossils with like, grass still in their mouth? And so they were wondering how could, they found some type of evidence of fossils where it seems like this animal was fossilized instantly.

• 1:22:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, not, not even fossilized, just preserved instantly. Like, this is woolly mammoths, there's quite a few of them. They, yeah, they think a lot of that was what happened during the impact. So Randall Carlson talks about this quite a bit. There's, there's multiple places on Earth where there's a, a large number of animals that seem to have died instantaneously. And weirdly, like, with broken legs, like, broken mammoth legs, string, like, over like a, a large field of them, thousands of them there, like, what happened? Like, some sort of an event must have happened where they were wiped out, or the, the ones that were in this area were wiped out instantaneously, and he thinks it's probably some sort of a collision.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  Like a ma, well, it's a mass casualty of some sort.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 04

  I mean, what else can cause that?

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, 65%, something like that, of all North American megafauna died off at the exact same time. All of it around that, that same Younger Dryas impact theory time, between 11,800 years ago and 10,000 years ago. Everything, woolly mammoth, African lion, African cheetah, there was all sorts of giant sloths, all sorts of weird animals that all died off in America around the exact same time that they think this flood happened. And it used to be just complete speculation, but now they find core samples where they're they're finding iridium that indicates iridium is very common in space and very rare on earth. So when they find a layer of iridium, it indicates there's some sort of an impact. Interesting.

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It's wild shit, man, because it could happen to us at any moment. You know, there's this guy Avi Loeb, who's a professor out of Harvard, who is saying that some of these objects that we're seeing in space, they're they're moving in very bizarre ways. They're enormous. They they they have much more mass and much more speed. They're interstellar objects and he's speculating whether or not they're they're alien.

• 1:23:53Speaker 04

  We got one passing by, uh, pretty soon, right?

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  I've been following that one a little.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is one of the ones he's talking about.

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, they think it's a spaceship.

• 1:24:00Joe Rogan?

  They think it's something.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  Something.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, whatever it is.

• 1:24:02Speaker 04

  For it to come outside of our solar system on this path is just very bizarre.

• 1:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Very bizarre, but other astronomers say, yeah, but it just might be unique.

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's there's a lot of stuff in space they're finding through the James Webb Telescope that they didn't understand that. So they had this idea of the universe being thirteen point seven or whatever it is, billion years old. But now they're finding these galaxies that were formed far too quickly, far like after the Big Bang. And so now they're starting to say, well, this might be an indication that it's quite a bit older and that maybe it's not thirteen, maybe the Big Bang is not thirteen point seven billion years, but that's just as far back as we can look. And as they get better and better equipment and better and better ways of looking, they'll be able to find more evidence and more information that gives them more questions and less answers. It's really weird. It's like, there's a quote

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  by Dennis McKenna, and he said that, once the bonfire of knowledge expands, the surface layer of ignorance is exposed. Hmm. More of a surface layer of ignorance. So the more you see and the more you learn, the more you realize, oh, I don't know shit.

• 1:25:13Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:25:14Joe Rogan?

  And that's what they're kind of finding out about space. It's like, they know a lot, but they don't, they don't know a lot in comparison to what's out there.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  More questions pop up than answers.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's it's.

• 1:25:26Speaker 04

  Fucking might be.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  This is wild too, how much of that we were taught in school was like fact. And then you grow up and like, wait a minute. We don't, we don't really know what's going on.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  I didn't even know there was dwarf planets in our solar system. There's planets that aren't like regular planets, but they, I didn't learn about those. I might've learned that three years ago. It's pretty wild to think that they're. I'm thirty two. That we, that they're there and we never learned about them. Yeah.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also speculation, there's something big that's outside of the Kuiper belt. There's like some other planet that it might even be a dwarf star. Or, uh, what is it called? I forget what they're called, a brown dwarf. But that we might have a binary star system. And that this, this star might've died off. And it's like in a far outside of, uh, our own sun, outside of that orbit. So there's something, there's this thing called the Kuiper belt that's outside of Pluto. And it's a, a belt of objects. And that's one of the reasons why Pluto got declassified as a planet because it is a little too small to be a planet. And it seems like there's a lot of these objects out there. And then they found a couple more and they're saying, okay, that's not a planet.

• 1:26:32Joe Rogan?

  But there seems to be a drop off after that, which indicates something that is of a large mass exists.

• 1:26:38Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:26:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's a little too far for us to be able to look at right now. So it's a lot of just speculation. What was that one? Paper that we looked at once that they, they had, they had documented a planet out there. They were calling planet X. But it's like.

• 1:26:55Speaker 04

  The Earth like, was it like an Earth like?

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  They don't know what it is. I mean, this is all, this is the fucking Sumerian tech stuff too. Cause they talk about this planet called Nibiru that comes within an elliptical orbit every three thousand, six hundred years. And fucks things up. And that's where the Anunnaki live. They come visit us. This is this guy Zacharias Hitchens. Fascinating stuff.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  So fun, it's so fun, but might be full of shit. In fact, there's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com that refutes it, but I'm too dumb to know who's right and who's wrong.

• 1:27:25Speaker 04

  It's still interesting to talk about and theorize, you know?

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, the Sumerians had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago, bizarrely, with the sun in the center and all the planets that we know of in the relative size and the relative order, like the ones that are the right, not exactly the right size because they're so fucking huge, but the bigger ones are in the bigger place. And it's, it shows this map of the solar system on this clay tablet from 9,000 or 6,000 years ago. Like, how did they know that?

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. It goes back to the advanced civilization, man. I don't know.

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  How advanced do you think?

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  I think it was a different type of advance, like not power lines and stuff like that. I think they honed into like natural energy from the earth. Like, I heard something about the pyramids may have been like some type of power plant because they just found where those pillars go down in the ground so long.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  That stuff's wild. That stuff's wild. This dude Ben Van Kirkwick, and they've used that same technology to find this enormous labyrinth that existed, but that was also documented historically. Herodotus talked about it and different historians have talked about it. This labyrinth that's even more impressive than the pyramids underground. And inside, they've, so using this technology, they've found this 40-meter, it's 40-meter, this metallic, they don't know what kind of metal it is, but there's a metallic tic-tac shaped object that's 40 meters long at the center of this labyrinth.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  So they built a dam in the 1960s to help the farmers out, and the dam unfortunately fucked up the water table, so this labyrinth is now flooded. So you can't get in it unless they do something to change the water and, you know, change how the water's channeled or build a tunnel inside of it, but the water table has made it impossible to get into it without doing that. But this thing, because of this tomography, this ground penetrating radar, they know that there's an enormous metallic object from thousands and thousands of years ago that's 40 meters long.

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  Are they actively trying to? Figure it out, like get in there?

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  There are researchers that are, but the problem is, is a lot of resistance from the Egyptian government.

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  I figured.

• 1:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't want, they don't want any monkey wrench in the timeline that they've been teaching forever.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've, I've seen one article, they just discovered some ancient city and it was like a, they discovered something, it was related to Christianity, like they discovered something, Christ is king and, but, long story short, the whole entire project just got shut down and they passed a law, you can't dig there for like 20 years.

• 1:30:08Joe Rogan?

  I think you're talking about Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, Gobekli Tepe, um, which is in, uh, Turkey. They found that by accident. It was a farmer. A farmer was a, I think it was a sheep herder, actually. He found some stone that was in the ground, he's like kicked at it and was like cleaned it off a little bit. And then he realized it had a right angle to it. It's like, what the hell's this? Then he dug a little deeper and then they called in the archaeologists and they said, hey, we got something here. And then they discovered that there's these concentric circles and these huge stone columns and 3D animals and they've only uncovered 5% of it so far.

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:30:46Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, they kind of stopped digging because they get enormous amount of tourist revenue where people can, want to come to the site. And they didn't want to fuck that up and

• 1:30:57Joe Rogan?

  you know, there's a lot, lot of, lot of weirdness when you let these governments decide what can and can't be explored. Because through ground penetrating radar, they realize that this, this site, even though they've only excavated 5% of it, is one of many, many sites that are in that area. And the age of it is really fascinating because this was intentionally covered somewhere around 11,000 years ago. So that means that someone decided to cover this all up with dirt 11,000 years ago. Which means they don't even know how old it is. It could be 2,000, 3,000 years older than that. They don't know.

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  And it's just weird to just stop finding that out.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Well, they're getting a lot of pressure now, so they might start opening up the excavation of it. And they did a lot of stupid shit, like they covered it with, uh, olive trees for once, for some reason. Yeah, like, I think because olive trees are protected, so if they covered it with olive trees, you couldn't dig into the ground, you couldn't remove the olive trees. It was like a way to stop people from looking around.

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but now they they realize that the olive trees, the roots are actually destroying the artifacts that are underneath. So now they're pulling the olive trees and now there's discussions about continuing the excavations.

• 1:32:13Speaker 02

  I got off on a giant kick one time, reading about giant. And it's like anytime the Smithsonian got involved.

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  It's just shut down.

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The giant stuff is weird, because there's a lot of documentation of people finding giants, like enormous.

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  Giant bones.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  Ten, fifteen foot tall humans. And then there's also the Nephilim in the Bible that are giants, that are that consumed everything, you know, that were, I mean, David and Goliath, there's giants in the Bible. And it makes you think like, okay, is it a giant like the mountain from the Game of Thrones?

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  You know? That's what I wonder. Yeah, maybe.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  Because people were shorter and relatively back then.

• 1:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but but probably some people weren't.

• 1:32:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  If they lived in some places where they had more resources and better genes, yeah.

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  Potuitary gland problems, you know, where you

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:58Speaker 04

  We have guys seven foot eleven plus, you know?

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this seems different. The giants in the Bible and the giants in historical accounts, it seems different. It seems like it's a totally different species of human. And again, if we just found this guy recently that's a million years old, and now we know. So forever, they were saying that human beings, I mean, the the timeline used to be Homo sapiens emerged fifty thousand years ago, and then they moved it to one hundred and fifty, then they moved it to two hundred and fifty, three hundred, as as they find more information. Now they have to push it to a million, you know? And if one day they they find a fucking head as big as this table, like, what do they do? What do they do about that? Do they even tell us?

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  I don't think they would.

• 1:33:38Speaker 04

  I don't think they would.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  But why wouldn't they? That's what's weird.

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:41Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't they? Isn't that crazy? But we all agree, we all agree that if they did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Speaker 04

  But not until they did their own, you know, figured it out for themselves or tested on what they want.

• 1:33:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they would want people to know, but I don't know why they wouldn't want people to know. Like, why do I, why am I convinced that they would hide that?

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  Well, if there is Antichrist on his way, and he his goal, he already knows he lost. So his goal at this point is just to destroy as much as possible, you know, get as many souls as possible. And finding stuff like that that would prove the Bible more true would turn. More people to Christianity or to God, the one true God, then I could see where if there is like some type of spiritual force that is in somewhat control, then I could see that's the only way I can make sense of it is like, why cover up progress? Why not tell people the truth?

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it's ego and that might be also related to good and evil in a lot of ways.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Loving yourself and you're supposed to love God over yourself.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. And being the person that has the knowledge and the person that distributes that knowledge and is the gatekeeper of it is a very intoxicating thing for a lot of these academics. And if all of a sudden something comes along, and this is the speculation about what happened with the Smithsonian, that they took that stuff and just fucking tucked it away.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  I would think they would.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Giant femur bones.

• 1:35:04Speaker 04

  They would want to have, you know, secretly do their own tests without anybody knowing about it.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  I know, but to what end at one point in time?

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Before everybody else knows, they would already have the answers. I don't know.

• 1:35:14Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  To me, if somebody knows God, it is freeing in a lot of way. And you realize that, you know, no government is above you, or no man is above you. God is above you, and you serve God. And if you can keep people away from God, you're that much more susceptible to being a slave to something else.

• 1:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like whatever evidence or anything that kind of proves that God exists.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, anything that's gonna prove God's existence, I think that's gonna be the main thing they shut down.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, like the Shroud of Turin is an excellent example. Yeah, that's an interesting one. That's a weird one, man. That's a weird one. There's a lot of people that go out of their way to try to disprove it. But when you get into the dating of the cloth. So it used to be they were saying that it was only a few hundred years old. But now they're saying that the way the cloth is made, the cloth is made that's exactly consistent with the time that Jesus was alive. And that more tests need to be done to find out the exact age of it. Because the problem is like, you don't know like what piece they studied. And you're not studying the entire thing. And also, the image of it is bizarre. Because the image of it, you really only see Jesus when it's a negative of it.

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  And they don't know how that image was put on there. It wasn't stained, it wasn't burned on there, they don't know what caused it. It's like a blast of radiation.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, somebody recreated it with gamma radiation, I think. But the only problem, so it would just be, it would need to, it would need to be an extreme source of light to do that. But the only problem is that would have vaporized, the heat from the light would have vaporized it realistically. So they're wondering, well, if light did do it, how was there no heat?

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  So if Christ did raise and pass through it, there's also X-ray images in the shroud, apparently.

• 1:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, you see this, when you see the shroud in negative, like Jamie, pull up an image of it, it's very strange. Like, it shows the lash marks on his body, it shows his facial features, it shows the holes where his wrist is, where he was crucified. It's very strange stuff. Because like, for someone to do that as a hoax and to just not, not paint it, just to do it in some very weird, um, go to that, yeah, that one right where you curse it or so over that, make that big.

• 1:39:35Speaker 04

  Recently said it's fake.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  They've recently said it's fake?

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  They go back and forth on them.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, who is the person who's they, right?

• 1:39:42Speaker 04

  The Catholic Church is who owns it.

• 1:39:44Joe Rogan?

  What's that, Jamie?

• 1:39:45Speaker 04

  Says they've been debunking it for 650 years.

• 1:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, about 650 years ago, they didn't even have carbon dating, so what were they doing to debunk it back then? There's a bunch of people that want to debunk it.

• 1:39:57Speaker 04

  This is a document they found.

• 1:39:59Joe Rogan?

  A document?

• 1:40:00Speaker 04

  What they were talking, I mean, I don't know.

• 1:40:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, they talked about it being bullshit?

• 1:40:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:40:04Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, people, I'm sure, called it, called bullshit on it a long time ago.

• 1:40:09Speaker 04

  I've seen videos where people have talked about ways that some of that stuff could have been done.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure, but how would someone figure out that 500, 1,000, 2,000 years ago, whatever it is?

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  It could have been 300, 200, 150, 60 years ago.

• 1:40:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's 650 years, if they've been debunking it for 650 years, you've got to assume it's at least 650 years old. So the thing is, like, see, between, it's been dated between 1355 and 1382, um, so...

• 1:40:37Speaker 04

  The text was the document.

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  The text, what text?

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  That we're talking about here, not the shroud.

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  What is the text about? Medieval documents reveal that the authenticity of the shroud that many believe wrapped and crucified was being called into question perhaps as early as 1355. Okay, well, that means that it existed 1355. Yeah. Description, depictions by clergyman, see, it's hard. Deceptions, oh, excuse me. Deceptions by clergyman, his writings now considered the oldest written rejection of the relic, predate the previous earliest documented criticism by the bishop of Troyes Pierre d'Arcisse in 1389. So, either way, we know it's at least 600 plus years old and we, we know that the way that it was put on there

• 1:41:26Joe Rogan?

  was not stained, it was not painted. It's very strange, and if you look at it like that, they didn't even know that until they came up with photography, until they could take an image of it and make it a negative, they didn't see the face of Jesus in all the, the depictions. Mm-hmm. It's like, this image right here is like, you look at that, the shroud of Turin, like, yeah, I could say, call bullshit, whatever. But then you see the negative, I go, go back to those other images. So this is what it looks like when you run it through, when you use modern photography and turn it into a negative. That's really weird. Yeah. That this wasn't, that they didn't know about this in the 1300s? Yeah.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  New study says it's something else. So they're gonna have studies forever that debunk it, and one thing that academics love to do, they love to call everybody retarded. Yep. Everybody's an idiot, this is all fake, this is bullshit, but whatever that is, man, when you're, just go back to the, the negative ones, the one that you just had, the one, yeah, that one, please. That's weird as fuck to me, man. That's weird as fuck that it didn't, you couldn't see it normally? And you only see it when they make a negative of it? That is so strange. That someone would go out of their way to fake something in that way? Where it only exists in a negative? Well, and they don't even know how it happened. Right, exactly, they don't know how to, I mean, they're saying they could reproduce it today, but I don't think anybody has.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  And also, how are you gonna reproduce it to such an extent with so much detail? That is, that matches the biblical depiction of the crucifixion? Yeah. Including the holes in the wrist, the lash marks on his back, the, the wound at his side. It's, it's all really weird. At the very least, it's fascinating. The very least, it's fascinating. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's really interesting stuff. To me, that, that...

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Seeing that, I really don't even care how old people think it is, or like, figure out how they did that first. To me, it's like, if this is-

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, how'd they do that 600 fucking years ago?

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Or 2,000 years ago, or whatever really, whatever age it actually is.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  I seen one article last year where they were, they found dirt particles that matched, you know, that, that traced back to Jerusalem.

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  It's, like I say, they've been debunking it and saying it's authentic and debunking it, it seems like for the last five or 10 years now.

• 1:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's very weird stuff.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  It's just where are we at right now with it?

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  That one church in Ethiopia that's supposed to have the Ark of the Covenant there?

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  And all the people that, that guard it, they all get cataracts and they wind up dying of radiation.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Haven't heard that one.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  You ever heard of that?

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  I don't know about that because the Ark of the Covenant was when God the Father's presence was here on earth, not through Jesus. Old Testament, the I Am was down here, and that's what he resided in. And you had to do all these things to be in his presence, or you would literally just- Die. Die, because, you know, he's holy, and to me, it's like lightness and dark cannot exist in the same place, so you, whatever. But the God, God the Father's presence isn't there anymore, so I don't understand why it would still be messing people up.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, we don't know what they were writing down.

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  The problem with all of ancient, all ancient religious texts, let's assuming there was real events.

• 1:44:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:47Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, a lot of these things were told as an oral tradition for 100, 500, 1,000 years, before they're ever even written down. And then they write them down, they write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in Hebrew, they write them, and then they have to translate it. And they translate it to Greek and Latin, and then eventually English, you're, you're missing a lot along the way. When I read these things, when I read the Bible, or if I read the Book of Enoch, or any of these ancient texts, or- I'm always trying to say, okay, what were they trying to document? Like, what was the original event? Like, what actually happened? And the problem is, people are really bad at telling the truth.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, human beings, when they see something fantastic, they always add their own little flavor to it. People add their own little thing to it. If they are of a certain belief, they're gonna attach that belief to whatever this thing was. So it's no question that these people held whatever that was in such high regard, and it meant so much to them, that they, like the book of Isaiah, where it's verbatim? That they wrote it verbatim for a thousand years? Back when they started out, they were writing things down on animal skins. That's one of the things about the Dead Sea Scrolls that's so fascinating is, they had to do genetic testing. So they're writing these things down on these animal skins,

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  and they had to make sure that the skin of this one is the same cow as the skin of this one. So if they do genetic testing to make sure it's the same cow skin. So, okay, we got all this skin from this cow, and it's in this group of texts. So start decoding it.

• 1:46:31Speaker 04

  That's an interesting way of doing it. That's wild.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  It's wild!

• 1:46:34Speaker 04

  I would've never thought of that.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  And like Wes Huff said, how they used to write things. Like, they'd leave stuff out back then, because it wasn't required back then. They would just write down the basics. I watched that Wes Huff thing, and that was very interesting.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Very. He's fascinating.

• 1:46:46Speaker 05

  He's brilliant, man. I've watched a bunch of stuff on him.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Very, very brilliant. But it's also, again, what were they trying to document? There's clearly something was going on back then. Something happened.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Did you ever read that story? It was somewhere in the Bible. I can't remember where. It's in the Old Testament. Somebody stole the ark, well, some tribe stole the ark, and like, the next day... They, the next morning, like, everybody was dead from stealing the ark and they pretty much said, "Hey, come get this thing, take it back." Yeah, we don't want it.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what people believe is in this church in Ethiopia.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  You know, because there's these Ethiopian Jews who also, their bible is the book of Enoch.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:27Speaker 04

  Do we have an image of this?

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  No, no, you can't see it, nobody can get, I say, send in the SEALs.

• 1:47:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:33Joe Rogan?

  Find out what the fuck is in there, bro. Put these guys in hazmat suits and let's get to the bottom of this.

• 1:47:39Speaker 04

  If the US knows you got it, it's gonna be ours.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, I, yeah, you would imagine.

• 1:47:42Speaker 04

  We're gonna take it.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  Or they might not know at all.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, what would happen with remote viewers, if remote viewing is real? Get remote viewers in a room and...

• 1:47:50Speaker 04

  We have talked about that topic.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  My brother's big on, like, he went down a remote viewing rabbit hole, he was big on it.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was 100% horseshit about 10 years ago.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  What about the submarine?

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  And then over time, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, the submarine's big. The one, they found the Soviet submarine that they were building, they knew the exact location. Not just that, remote viewers found a downed aircraft that was in Siberia, they located it within a three-mile radius, they found it, they knew where it was, the United States went in and got it before the Soviet Union could.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Using remote viewers, did they?

• 1:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, using remote viewers. Like, they've got actionable information from remote viewers, allegedly.

• 1:48:27Speaker 04

  Allegedly.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 1:48:28Speaker 04

  To me, it feels like we could, it's just to scare the Soviets. Like, oh, we got, we got people with superpowers, we know where the submarine is.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  Or, they're doing it too.

• 1:48:39Speaker 04

  Or they're doing it too.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Or, it's just something that people realize that there is a developing aspect of human consciousness, or an aspect of human consciousness that used to exist that we forgot, that we don't know how to do anymore. One of those things.

• 1:48:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:53Speaker 04

  That's an interesting concept, yeah.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  It is, because the remote viewer thing, they spent a fuckload of money on that and they, they kept that program going on for a long, long time, and, you know, I don't know what they discovered or what they didn't, you know, it's, unless you're in the room with the people that have the top, top, top secret information, who knows?

• 1:49:12Speaker 04

  That whole Cold War time is also just wild. I think it was, I see why we would have faked a lot of stuff.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:49:19Speaker 04

  On both sides.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:49:21Speaker 04

  It's just a big bluff, a bluff game of, we can do this, we have this.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:49:25Speaker 05

  Yep, Andy just started believing in the uh, in us getting to the moon.

• 1:49:30Speaker 04

  Well, once we went to, yeah, once we went to NASA in Texas, but also that documentary, the other footage that came out. I don't really know, I could see why we would fake it. I mean, it's Soviets.

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can see why we could fake it.

• 1:49:44Speaker 04

  That's the US government, we'd fake a lot of, fake anything.

• 1:49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so go ahead, I'm sorry.

• 1:49:48Joe Rogan?

  No, go ahead.

• 1:49:49Speaker 02

  I was saying for a while though, they, before that documentary came out, the, the story, well, we lost the footage, we lost all of it. And it's like, did they just wait for technology to progress to be able to make a convincing documentary?

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, they definitely lost the footage. They lost all the original copies of the film. So all the original film is gone. What you're seeing is just copies of copies. Uh, they also lost the telemetry data, which is a real problem. That's the, what the hard data, the binary data that shows the distance in the craft and how far it was. It just seems fake. It seems fake when you watch it. That's what's weird to me. It seems totally hokey. It looks fake as shit. And then the weird one for me is the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference. Those guys look like a hostage video. It doesn't look real at all. And then there's Neil Armstrong, who gave that very bizarre cryptic speech at the 25th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing.

• 1:50:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of weirdness to them. And the fact that we haven't been back. The, it's, there's not a, a single thing that's not cheaper, easier and faster to reproduce from 1969. In 2025, except the moon landing.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's just weird, like, if, if it is true, I seen a video of like, something that was supposedly live streamed on, on the news back then. And it was just this guy who was obviously hanging from a cable and he had this pathetic looking earth under him. You know, and it's not at all what actual space looks like now, but this was like on the news apparently.

• 1:51:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's probably not real. That's probably an artist's rendition or recreation, but how about the phone call? Nixon is calling the guys from the, "Hey fellas, I hear you're on the moon." "Yes, sir, we're on the moon." I can't even get fucking cellphone service in my bathroom.

• 1:51:32Speaker 05

  What else is, what's their explanation for how?

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Retro reflectors?

• 1:51:36Speaker 05

  How those reflectors got up there?

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, first of all, the Russians put uh, reflectors as well. So you can, you can definitely remotely place reflectors. Um, the other problem is the moon itself reflects. So, there's, there's a lot of weird arguments about that. I could see how you could say, "Oh, there's reflectors and that would indicate that people were there," but...

• 1:51:56Speaker 04

  Show us the flag. Do we not have a... Can we point, can we point James Webb over there?

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, that's, that's deep space. It's a different thing. You'd have to get a different kind of technology that's just to zoom in on the moon and they would go, "Why would we do that? Why would we spend billions and billions of dollars to prove something that rational people think definitely happened?"

• 1:52:15Speaker 04

  It's a lot of people that would have to hold a secret, too.

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  Not really.

• 1:52:19Speaker 04

  You don't think so?

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  No, because it's compartmentalized. It's compartmentalized. The only people that would really need to know are the people who made the footage, the people that are involved in the filming, and the actual astronauts themselves. Everybody else, you're getting fed data, okay?

• 1:52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, you think they would believe that's happening?

• 1:52:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not only that, when, the first time when Apollo 11 happened, they weren't allowed to get a direct feed from the net, from NASA. So what they did was they used a projection screen and then all the news cameras pointed their cameras at the projection screen. That's why it looks like shit. Like, the first, the Apollo 11 video looks so bad. But it seems like that was on purpose. Like, they made it look like shit on purpose.

• 1:52:58Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  And if you wanted to gain techno, technological and, you know, ethical and moral superiority over the evil communists, you could see why you would make some sort of a rationalization, why you should fake that we have the ability to go to the moon. Because the ability to go to the moon is not just scientific, it's military. It's a military might. Like, we have the best rockets, we have the best this, we have the best... "We got the best! We went to the moon, we definitely did it!" So it just makes sense that they would fake it.

• 1:53:30Speaker 04

  And the, the blow of Sputnik flying over the United States and everybody could see it, it's like, "We can put this right above your country."

• 1:53:38Joe Rogan?

  That was a flex.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, if they, if they were giving people LSD in brothels, I could see them faking the moon.

• 1:53:44Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, 100%.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  Most of history...

• 1:53:46Speaker 04

  I'm not 100% believer.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Most of United States history is full of shit. At least some aspect of it. Look, what got us into the Vietnam War. Gulf of Tonkin, never happened, full of shit. False flag event. They, they, all throughout history, all throughout the United States history in the 1960s, during the same time where they were supposedly going to the moon, they lied constantly at every fucking turn. At every turn.

• 1:54:08Speaker 04

  And who's to say they're not still doing that to this day?

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  It was easier to back then.

• 1:54:11Speaker 04

  It's harder to trust.

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  They are. They 100% are.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Look, I know people in government that will tell you, they'll put your phone down, let's go for a walk. And they'll tell you, and you're like, what?

• 1:54:20Speaker 04

  That would be, I want that.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Those conversations are strange.

• 1:54:23Speaker 04

  One of my favorite things is the pizza ordering at the Pentagon.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:27Speaker 04

  When shit starts to go down, the spike in pizza ordering, because people are working late.

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  Very weird, yeah.

• 1:54:33Speaker 04

  And it just spiked, I saw, I think a couple of weeks ago, because I brought it up. I was like, I got a notification, it's like, pizza spiked.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  I know, people started, they were going to war.

• 1:54:42Speaker 04

  It was at a, like, a time, it was at a high that was like, the Panama stuff, Vietnam high.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? It's pizza deliveries is what freaks everybody out. Oh, they're working late, they're working late, they're ordering pizza.

• 1:54:55Speaker 04

  And now, they just call it all, all the generals together, you've seen that?

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Hackseth did. But supposedly, what they're doing is giving, they want to get all the generals together and give them some sort of a, a moral and ethical mandate.

• 1:55:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, preparedness, this is what we want the military to be.

• 1:55:13Speaker 04

  No more beards and stuff.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  No more fucking politics and no more, no more identity politics and bullshit. We, the most important thing is be ready. Be ready, have the best, most capable military that's humanly possible, given the resources that we have today. This is what our, this is what our goal is, this is what our job is.

• 1:55:32Speaker 04

  And they needed to call everybody together to do that?

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, you saw what the fuck was going on over the last four years. You got guys in dresses talking about how it's really important to have inclusiveness. It's the most important thing about the military is inclusivity. Like, we had crazy people that were in charge of very important positions. Including that guy that was stealing women's clothes.

• 1:55:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  That guy was in charge of, like, fucking nuclear waste. And he's running around stealing people's underwear.

• 1:55:58Speaker 04

  The panty raid.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  With lipstick and a bald head, just, not just stealing, but he stole this one lady who was like a famous designer. It was a one-off dress, and then he wore, that's how he got busted. He wore it to some event, and the lady was like, hey, motherfucker, that's mine. Like, someone stole that shit from the airport, and that's how he got busted.

• 1:56:20Speaker 04

  This is a South Park episode. Yeah, it is a South Park episode.

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 1:56:23Speaker 04

  Is it a South Park episode?

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Living us out, poor guy. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. It's getting wild, man.

• 1:56:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:56:29Joe Rogan?

  It is wild, but it's like, it's always been wild. And this is one of the good things about, uh, Trump being elected and Trump in office is they kinda threw a mo- cause they didn't want him to be the president and threw a monkey wrench into all these things that they were doing. And you get to see a lot of these people scramble and you get to see like, oh, this is, this is, there's so much, like, all the Doge stuff where they uncovered all these NGOs. That was crazy. There's, there's an NGO for, I think it's every 600 people in India. Yeah. You know how crazy that is? There's a non, uh, there's a non-government organization for every, I think it's like 500 or 600 people in India.

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  There's like millions of them. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. It's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You find, Elon explained it to me, too. He said, what you would do is you would make this nonprofit and you would call this not, you'd put a bunch of money into it. So you like, you put like 10 million dollars, relatively small to, to them. 10 million dollars to this thing and call it like, um, Agency for Peace, Center for Peace, whatever it is. And then that becomes a non-government organization. And then you get politicians to dump tons of money into this NGO. And then through this NGO, you profit.

• 1:57:47Speaker 04

  It's like a shell company.

• 1:57:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And there's a ton of those. And there's so many of them, they couldn't even keep track of them. And the more they dug into it, the more they started calling Elon a Nazi and it just got wild.

• 1:57:57Speaker 04

  Well, they don't like when, elites don't like when the curtain's pulled back.

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the curtain being pulled back. That was the curtain being pulled back in a way that most people were not aware. And when I brought Mike Benz in and Mike Benz laid it all out and he was explaining that what the, what USAID was for was the things that were too dirty for the CIA to get involved in. So a lot of it was like regime change operations. It was like outlining all these different regime change operations that were all being paid for. And then your tax dollars being dumped into these NGOs and then people are pulling money out of it. And like billions of dollars. It's the world's piggy bank.

• 1:58:30Speaker 04

  Why did, uh, why did every, why'd they stop digging? Are they still digging?

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know.

• 1:58:36Speaker 04

  Elon's not in the White House anymore, but.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  It was supposed to be a temporary thing, right?

• 1:58:40Speaker 04

  But it just seems like it all just stopped.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, you don't hear about it anymore, that's true. But I think it was real problematic. I mean, they did shut down USAID. And they they turned Elon into a fucking Nazi. I mean, how many fucking Teslas got keyed? And tires got slashed and his business was really troubled by it. And so he's like, I'm done. I'm stepping away. You guys. You didn't follow my instructions. You didn't follow my recommendations. So what can I do? You're ruining my life. So I'm just gonna back out of this.

• 1:59:07Speaker 04

  Go back to building rockets.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  So he's just going back to building rockets. And the thing is, like, they didn't even care that he rescued those people from the fucking space station, which was wild. Like, no one wanted to give him credit. No one wanted to say thank you. They're like, no, he's a Nazi. People I know were calling him a Nazi. Cause he spazzed out and went, my heart goes out to you.

• 1:59:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. We we make fun of that all the time.

• 1:59:29Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:59:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Someone just took a still image, you know?

• 1:59:32Joe Rogan?

  The guy literally has a chain around his neck that was given to him by one of the mothers of one of the hostages in Israel that says, bring them all home.

• 1:59:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  He has a, he wears it around his neck. That's what a Nazi does? Like, are you fucking kidding me? You think he's a Nazi? There's no evidence that he's a Nazi other than one hand movement?

• 1:59:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:59:48Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:59:49Speaker 04

  Well, it's like the whole right's being called Nazis. Like, it's, why are we throwing that word around?

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, that word doesn't mean anything when everybody's a Nazi. It's like, it's so stupid. It's just like overplayed that hand.

• 2:00:00Speaker 02

  It started off being pretty strong and having a lot of weight, but now, you know, it's just like you got, they they use it all the time and it's.

• 2:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:07Speaker 04

  Everybody's a Nazi and then the, if you're not, you're a communist. I mean.

• 2:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, this communist is real.

• 2:00:13Speaker 04

  Everything's so extreme right now.

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  And Nazis are real too. That's the part of the problem. When you call everybody a Nazi. Well, the problem is that word gets overused and now legitimate Nazis can just operate with impunity. Like, they're real. There's, there's legit Nazis out there.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. And then they wouldn't even really know what a Nazi is at that point.

• 2:00:30Joe Rogan?

  It's squirrely. It's squirrely as fuck. And the government just is too big. It's too big. There's too much going on and you can only do so much to make it effective. And so this administration has four years and who knows what they're gonna be able to get done or not get done. And there's a lot of things they're doing that make people very upset. Like the, all the ICE stuff and the raids and-

• 2:00:50Speaker 04

  Did you see Ice Cube's-

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:52Speaker 04

  -bus? Tour bus? Have you seen that?

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:00:55Speaker 04

  They burnt his bus down.

• 2:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Portland, the Antifa people burnt ICE's, ICE Cube's-

• 2:01:00Speaker 04

  Ice Cube's-

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  Because they thought it was the ICE bus.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  They thought it was the ICE bus?

• 2:01:04Speaker 04

  Yes. You haven't seen this?

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:01:06Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I didn't watch, I didn't mean to interrupt you on it, but it just hit me. I saw that this, uh, a couple of days ago.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid. It's so stupid.

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, burned it to the ground. It's a show.

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Is there a reaction video?

• 2:01:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I would love to see Ice Cube's reaction.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Portland is wild.

• 2:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:01:21Joe Rogan?

  You guys tour in Portland at all?

• 2:01:23Speaker 04

  We actually had a good show there, but when you walk around-

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the people are so happy.

• 2:01:26Speaker 04

  It is zombie apocalypse.

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:28Speaker 04

  And we were just, another one's San Francisco. We've never- First time for us going to San Francisco was about a month ago. And it was, we were in whatever they call the Tenderloin and it is a madhouse. There's people blowing up fireworks, some homeless people, blowing up these fireworks in the middle of the night on the street. Me and Drew's just watching them out the window. We're watching crime happen.

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, San Francisco is pretty buck wild. And then the mayor came out and said, "We're making a declaration. No one can sleep on the street. You can no longer loiter. You can only do the-" And then, "Go look at San Francisco right now." It's exactly the same. It's just talk.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Is San Francisco where they cleaned up?

• 2:02:03Speaker 04

  The Chinese president came.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Cause Xi Jinping was in town. And then Gavin Newsom said, "Well, when you have visitors over, you clean up your house."

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  "Bitch, why don't you just keep your fucking house clean? Why you got shit on your floor?"

• 2:02:17Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  "Human shit all over your streets."

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. That's the questions that everybody needs to be asking.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  But this is the question-

• 2:02:24Speaker 04

  It's possible.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  But if I wanted to ruin society and get it to a point where everybody, you needed to control things because it got so chaotic that you can institute some sort of a digital ID and institute social credit score, that's how you would do it. You would, you would, I mean, I'm not saying that that's what they're doing, but that's how I would do it. What I would do is I would just let people out of jail. The moment they do anything, let them camp on the streets, give them money for drugs. Just let them, just let it go crazy and then have everybody like scrambling. "Please take away our freedom to give us safety."

• 2:02:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  And then boom.

• 2:02:57Speaker 02

  Well, you can't blame people for asking these kinds of questions when you go to other countries and it's safe to walk around at night and it's a pretty clean city. It's like, why don't we have this? You know, you can't blame a society for asking those kinds of questions from their leaders. Why are you like, and why did you just clean up for a foreign government to come visit? Which is cool or whatever, but you proved that you could.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  And then like, why don't we just have that all the time?

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  I think there needs to be more stuff directed towards mental health. A lot of those homeless people and people on drugs is, some of them are like mentally ill and

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  But we don't have any, we don't have any treatment for people like that hardly.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it all skyrocketed during the Reagan administration because they changed the like, the laws in terms of like, what you're supposed to do when someone's mentally ill. And they just like, let them loose, let's stop paying for it.

• 2:03:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, we don't have insane asylums anymore or anything.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  But then again, you know, you hear stories about insane asylums, like that's not good either.

• 2:03:57Speaker 04

  We would hope we'd have some good ones.

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  But it's just like, some people are out there with no family.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  There's like, you know, kids, their family died when they were 18 and they're, they're not mentally able to function in society. They've been homeless for 20 years.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:04:10Speaker 02

  We need a place for people like that.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes, 100%.

• 2:04:13Speaker 05

  I have a very, very close family member right now that's homeless and mentally ill. And is, that's all I want, man, is for people to like, we need, I don't know what needs to happen, but we need to get these people help.

• 2:04:28Joe Rogan?

  100%, yeah, 100%. And that should be something that we do spend money on.

• 2:04:33Speaker 02

  I'd want tax dollars to go to something like that.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody, right or left, everybody would. You want people to get a chance. I mean, the best stories ever are people that had, they were in the gutter, like living on the streets and now all of a sudden they're helping people. They run some sort of a nonprofit food kitchen and they're helping people get clean and they found life's purpose. And, you know, running, you know, whether it is some sort of a religious class or something that gives people hope and gives people something that, you know, they can tell you like, hey, I used to be where you are and now I'm not and now I'm helping people. Like, right or left, like, this divide that we have in this country, most of it's bullshit. And most of it is like, It's engineered.

• 2:05:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  It's engineered to keep us at each other's throats so they can keep getting away with all this nonsense.

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:21Speaker 04

  And we keep eating it up.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. And doubling down.

• 2:05:24Speaker 04

  It could be like, if the president said, "Don't go buy," or something about bananas.

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:31Speaker 04

  You go, "Everybody should have a banana today." The left would never eat another banana in their day in their life.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Look at this Tylenol thing.

• 2:05:35Speaker 04

  Or the Tylenol thing.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  Look at this Tylenol.

• 2:05:36Speaker 02

  Tylenol said in 2017, "We actually don't recommend you take our product."

• 2:05:40Speaker 04

  But to see people-

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  2017, they said.

• 2:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, not only that, two years ago, Johnson and Johnson separated from Tylenol. Tylenol became its own country, uh, company.

• 2:05:49Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Which is probably like, they saw it coming down the pipe, and they're like, "Hey, maybe."

• 2:05:53Speaker 04

  We jumping.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:55Speaker 04

  Know about the money.

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's what's really crazy. A lot of fucking crazy leftist women started taking Tylenol to own JFK or RFK Jr. and, and Trump. And a bunch of them died of liver toxicity.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Have you-

• 2:06:10Speaker 04

  I knew it was gonna happen.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine-

• 2:06:12Speaker 04

  A whole TikTok, pregnant women just taking Tylenol, just out of spite.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 2:06:17Speaker 02

  Why let, why let something dictate your life that much? You know?

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Cause a lot of people are nuts, man. A lot of people just that don't have any critical thinking skills, and they're in a cult.

• 2:06:26Speaker 04

  Then you find a hobby, man.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Whether they're in a MAGA cult, or they're in a leftist cult, they're in a fucking cult.

• 2:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  And they're all in on one side or the other side, and I think humanity exists in the middle. And humanity exists in the middle where you're supposed to be able to talk about ideas. And you're supposed to say, "Well, what's, what's a good for just overall society?" Like, mental health institutions, like, giving people some sort of a chance to become a productive member of society. Like, all, there's a lot of things that we all agree on.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  And we need to find common ground, and instead of like, fighting, and instead of polarizing people. And this is one of the problems that I have with this administration, is that they're really good at like, pointing fingers at the other side and polarizing, and really bad at uniting us all.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  And not attacking the other side, and just uniting us, and bringing us together.

• 2:07:18Speaker 02

  What was the last administration that was good at uniting, in your opinion?

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  Or is it it's always been a divide?

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of always been like that, but maybe the Clinton administration, maybe the first one.

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:30Speaker 04

  Bush nine eleven.

• 2:07:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bush nine eleven, but boy.

• 2:07:34Speaker 04

  On the same team for at least a year.

• 2:07:36Speaker 05

  He was pretty divisive, like.

• 2:07:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was super divisive before that, that's for damn sure.

• 2:07:40Speaker 04

  It was an outside influence.

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, it's like, what did they do with that, that unitedness? They forced us into a war over a bullshit premise. I mean, that just shows you what they're really willing to do if they have everybody's will.

• 2:07:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  If they have everybody on their side, like, okay, great, let's invade Iraq. Let's lie about weapons.

• 2:07:59Speaker 05

  The war on terrorism.

• 2:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  They go anywhere with that.

• 2:08:02Speaker 04

  Nuclear weapons.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  That's all I have to do, say it's, they hate us for our freedom. Oh, no. I go fuck them up.

• 2:08:10Speaker 04

  And take their oil.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly. It's, it's kind of crazy, but we always fall for it. And hopefully we fall for it less and less every year, but it not, it doesn't seem like it when you see pregnant ladies chewing Tylenol.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:23Speaker 04

  We're in a crazy time.

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Again, that's what the song touches on. We're actually gonna put it out October 3rd because of it.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  I listened to it in the gym today.

• 2:08:29Speaker 02

  To people hating?

• 2:08:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:31Speaker 02

  You like it?

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  I love it. I love it. I love the whole album, it's really great.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Just jaded on it, man. Try to people hating each other.

• 2:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's sick. It's sick and it's unnecessary and you don't get much time, folks. You don't get much time in this life. You get a hundred years if you're lucky. And you're gonna waste it fighting ideological battles on Twitter and Facebook? Like, what are you doing?

• 2:08:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  You know? And you're trapped, you're trapped on your phone. You're trapped, like, checking to see how people are engaging with your latest outrage tweet.

• 2:08:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I can't, I cannot, dude. I cannot, I cannot look at the comments. And I think I learned that from you, but.

• 2:09:06Speaker 04

  Go, posting ghosts.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Posting ghosts, baby.

• 2:09:08Speaker 05

  I just, like, I've seen some of these things and I know it's all bullshit. Like, somebody's just coming on here to rile me up, but like.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  David 36907.

• 2:09:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, there's so many of them.

• 2:09:20Speaker 05

  On the inside. It kinda gets to you a little bit.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 2:09:23Speaker 05

  And I just don't.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Not me son.

• 2:09:25Speaker 05

  Rather not.

• 2:09:25Speaker 02

  Brandon's a commentator. I eat it up, son. Keep doing it. Yeah, I don't care.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  I wouldn't be doing this if I cared about people's opinion. You know what I mean?

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  But you do keep care about good people's opinion.

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  You just don't care about the negative opinions?

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  I don't care about the negative opinions, because I'm not doing it for God, pretty much. But I mean, anytime I post a cover song, "Sorry, not Waylon. Sorry, nobody will ever be George Jones." Wasn't trying to be. Just singing a song, it's not that deep.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Cash will never be Nine Inch Nails, you know, when he made "Hurt." It's just a different thing, man. You can enjoy it without saying that. But there's a lot of people that are just negative. And it's why? It's because their life sucks. Do you think Michael Jordan leaves YouTube comments? No, because he's a fucking winner.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:11Joe Rogan?

  That's really what it is. It's like, a lot of our society, their main contribution is bitching.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:10:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's what they spend most of their energy on.

• 2:10:20Speaker 02

  We want to keep it about music, man.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Good for you, man.

• 2:10:23Speaker 02

  There's a lot of drama in the world, and if somebody tried to start drama with us, I don't even know if we would even reply. We don't, we don't. It's a fake place. You think I'm gonna waste my time arguing with you on social media? You know, I'm not. Cool, that's what you think, alright.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the few things that we have that really reunites us. You know, it really does. You can get people of all persuasions, all different kinds of backgrounds, just love a good song.

• 2:10:47Speaker 02

  You know? It's universal. Yeah.

• 2:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  It's weird about social media too, is the algorithm, like, someone left-leaning will have a completely different comment section than someone right-leaning.

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. You're living in an echo chamber. Oh yeah, and that's really bad, because then you think, look. And then when the election happens, you're like, what? What is going on? How do you not think the way I think?

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:12Speaker 02

  We're all people, man.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just wish someone would come along that was a great uniter, and hopefully they won't get shot.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jeez. Jesus.

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe it would.

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  They killed him first, though.

• 2:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, they did it back then, too.

• 2:11:27Joe Rogan?

  If Jesus did come back today, boy, would that be fascinating, like see, just to see how people.

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  Oh God, oh God, actually, I believe, I'm sorry.

• 2:11:34Speaker 04

  It'd be relieving, honestly.

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  Could you imagine though, like, I don't know, I don't want to throw shade on anybody, but like, just dying. It's like, oh God dang it, they were right. It's like, I know, I know, I'll see myself out.

• 2:11:47Speaker 04

  Just go ahead and walk out and walk the other way.

• 2:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Right. You get to the pearly gates, you're like, no shit.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Really? And then St. Peter's like, come here, I'll talk to you about some things.

• 2:11:57Speaker 04

  See, for me.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh dude, I didn't know. If I knew, I would have never done all this. I would have never lied about my taxes. I would have never done, I would have never done any of those things.

• 2:12:05Speaker 04

  A little late then. I'd have to make a, make a stop at purgatory on the way. That's where I'll be. We make that joke.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  You're gonna be getting purged, dude.

• 2:12:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude. I'll be there eventually.

• 2:12:16Joe Rogan?

  But music is the great uniter.

• 2:12:17Speaker 02

  Andrew's the only Catholic in the band.

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. So it's like, again. So you believe in purgatory?

• 2:12:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  But we coexist.

• 2:12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, we have, yeah, we, I mean, we talk about, we have like a little random Bible study that pop up. We just talk about the Bible. I pull out my catechism. You know?

• 2:12:34Speaker 04

  It's fun.

• 2:12:36Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna be laughing at you, cause God probably will send you to a purgatory, cause you believed in it.

• 2:12:41Speaker 04

  Hey, he might be sending you, we don't know. We'll know when we get there. I'm gonna see y'all in that.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, when was Catholicism established?

• 2:12:48Speaker 04

  When, uh, with Jesus Christ, when he was crucified.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  That's when it was started?

• 2:12:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, he told St. Peter, I'll build on, on top of you, you are the rock, I will build my church on. You know where his bones are?

• 2:13:00Speaker 04

  In the Vatican, underneath St. Peter's Basilica.

• 2:13:03Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Vatican's got a lot of stuff. St. Peter's Basilica is wild.

• 2:13:08Speaker 04

  Just went for my honeymoon, insane. It was, even if you're not Catholic, just going there, they have a whole museum. It's insane.

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Are we going in Europe?

• 2:13:16Speaker 04

  No, that's down in Rome. We won't make it that far, but.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, either way, Rome is pretty bizarre to look at too, but there's, there is nothing, there's nothing like St. Peter's Basilica.

• 2:13:27Speaker 04

  It is, it's like.

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Also, by the way, how crazy is it that Rome is its own country? How crazy is that?

• 2:13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:33Joe Rogan?

  They have their own, it's a country, it's like fifty acres or some shit. The Vatican.

• 2:13:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Vatican.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

  The Vatican, rather, excuse me, not Rome.

• 2:13:40Speaker 04

  And you have to wait in line, yeah, you have to wait in line to enter in the morning when we went.

• 2:13:44Joe Rogan?

  But the Vatican being its own country is so strange, and then you get in and you're like, this might be the richest country ever.

• 2:13:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at all the art, they have so much art.

• 2:13:51Speaker 04

  They have so much art, it's just...

• 2:13:53Speaker 02

  St. Peter's Basilica, whatever, whatever you believe, if you go to that, you'll be awestruck.

• 2:13:59Speaker 04

  It's, it's literally, like, you walk in and you get, you're just covered in chills, yeah.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  You're blown away, and it, didn't it take like four or five hundred years to make?

• 2:14:11Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 2:14:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I mean, it's...

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this was all people with no computers and no power drills.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  No, no power saws, like, how, how dedicated were you motherfuckers?

• 2:14:27Speaker 02

  I will say, that's what some of my favorite memories of Europe last year was seeing cathedrals, how beautiful they are. It's kinda screwed up, they were, like, charging people at the door.

• 2:14:35Speaker 04

  No, that was, no, that's, that's, yeah, Anglican.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  It wasn't Catholic, no.

• 2:14:40Speaker 04

  Catholics.

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:14:41Speaker 04

  You can enter, Anglican will charge you.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  And when you see it, you, the photos are beautiful, but being there in person, you realize the scale of it all.

• 2:14:49Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  And it's, it's almost impossible, it's impossible to imagine the dedication and the craftsmanship that was involved in making something so incredible.

• 2:14:59Speaker 04

  And there's a whole crypt underneath with all the...

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  It's like we moved backwards, how did stuff stop, stop being beautiful?

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Ah, it's a good question. The made, construction methods got much more convenient.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  You see a, like, a picture of a train from back in the day, how, like, this beautiful, a public train used to be?

• 2:15:15Speaker 04

  Cars, old cars are just...

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  How about, you ever see economy seating from, like, the nineteen sixties?

• 2:15:20Speaker 02

  I wish I could have flew back then.

• 2:15:22Speaker 04

  They were smoking cigarettes on them airplanes.

• 2:15:24Speaker 02

  Turning up back then on flights, dude.

• 2:15:26Joe Rogan?

  They were smoking cigarettes in couches, they had these big ass seats, everybody looked relaxed.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  Rappers don't even do that now, I mean, they were, like, living it up back then.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were living it up.

• 2:15:36Speaker 04

  I really couldn't imagine sitting on an airplane next to somebody smoking a cigarette.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I, when I was a kid, they smoked on planes.

• 2:15:42Speaker 04

  It has to be suffocating, right?

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  It was horrible, and if you got a ticket, like, late, you had to sit in the smoking section, so you're in the back of the bus, or the back of the plane.

• 2:15:50Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  But, and it went, and if you had to go to the toilet, you had to go past all the people smoking.

• 2:15:54Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, that's economy seating.

• 2:15:57Speaker 04

  That looks nice.

• 2:15:58Joe Rogan?

  Turbulence?

• 2:16:00Speaker 02

  No wonder people are so depressed nowadays.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, they did have seat belts, didn't they? They don't look like any ones that they wear in one. Or it doesn't look like they do. No, it don't look like they have. Where the fuck's all our luggage?

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  You might die.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, the luggage is in overhead compartments. They still have overhead compartments.

• 2:16:13Speaker 04

  Those are pretty shallow.

• 2:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are overhead compartments. No lights?

• 2:16:16Speaker 04

  People probably travel with air.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that's fake? It might be AI-generated. They might be bullshitting us. But there are definitely real Shodos.

• 2:16:24Speaker 04

  Eight-year-old posts on Reddit.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  I think it's legit, yeah.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  That one, I seen one picture.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  Seven forty-seven from the nineteen sixties.

• 2:16:31Speaker 02

  Is there like a stand-up bar? Didn't they have like a stand-up bar section where you walk around and go get a drink?

• 2:16:37Joe Rogan?

  So that's a different sized plane though.

• 2:16:38Speaker 04

  That's not seven forty-seven, yeah.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  But it depends on like where you're going and how far you're flying.

• 2:16:42Speaker 02

  There's no overhead storage, it looks like.

• 2:16:44Joe Rogan?

  Those people look like they're having a good old time though in those planes.

• 2:16:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were actually talking to each other.

• 2:16:49Speaker 02

  Look at the colors of the seats.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, the stewardesses were hot. They had hot stewardesses.

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  They had a, you had to be hot to be a stewardess back then?

• 2:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, weird.

• 2:17:00Speaker 04

  Also, what happened to fashion? These people are dressed up very nice on an airplane. And now we're, you know, people are showing up in yoga pants.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't have a problem with yoga pants. That's the first one. Don't be hating on yoga pants, bro.

• 2:17:14Speaker 04

  I should have worn mine, dang it.

• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  But it went well with your chain.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  And the mustache. Nothing but like shirtless, chain, mustache, yoga pants.

• 2:17:25Speaker 02

  I don't know why people were calling me a lesbian.

• 2:17:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Theo Von comments coming back.

• 2:17:30Speaker 04

  People were like, oh, he looks like Matthew McConaughey. I was like, dang, what are they talking about me? And they're like, and it was Brandon. They're like, who's this, this mustache lesbian that keeps talking? I was like, dang, dude.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  What did I do?

• 2:17:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, what did I do?

• 2:17:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, people will find a way to get you.

• 2:17:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't read those. I just have Brandon send me screenshots.

• 2:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Cause you get in there, right?

• 2:17:50Speaker 04

  My feelings will get hurt.

• 2:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Man.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  I get a lot of Elvis, like, oh, he's looks like Elvis. He looks like Elvis. That's why I won't do karate. Cause that's just the next thing they'll just tack on. Oh, he's doing karate like Elvis. Just like, yeah.

• 2:18:04Joe Rogan?

  It's a good thing to get out your aggression, though. It's a good thing to calm yourself.

• 2:18:08Speaker 02

  I wanna do something, man. I wanna do boxing.

• 2:18:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, do some Muay Thai. Have some guy hold pads for you. If you started out with Shodokan, you know?

• 2:18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Get some guy to hold pads for you when you're on the road.

• 2:18:17Speaker 04

  Drew, Drew's here down forty plus pounds in the last, how long?

• 2:18:22Speaker 05

  Uh, I'd say about ten months.

• 2:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Really? That's great. What'd you do?

• 2:18:26Speaker 05

  I fasted. So I did like sixteen hour fasts, pretty much every day.

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay, intermittent fasting. Nice.

• 2:18:33Speaker 05

  And, uh.

• 2:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Just that alone, isn't it amazing?

• 2:18:36Speaker 05

  Dude, thirty pounds by itself.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:38Speaker 05

  And then, I started working out a few weeks ago, and I've just been doing it like every single day.

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Don't you feel a million times better?

• 2:18:44Speaker 05

  One thousand percent.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? Like, you wanna tell people, I know it sucks to start.

• 2:18:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:18:49Joe Rogan?

  Starting something is hard to do. Changing the habits of your life are very hard to do, but if you could do it, god, you'll feel so much better.

• 2:18:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, like, I can't even go a day without running.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:19:01Speaker 05

  It feels like I will feel bad.

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that incredible?

• 2:19:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude, I love it so much.

• 2:19:05Joe Rogan?

  And you think about the time where you felt bad all the time, and that was your base state.

• 2:19:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of people that are complaining online, too.

• 2:19:12Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that just, they're uncomfortable just walking around in life.

• 2:19:16Speaker 04

  They need to go exercise.

• 2:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're filled with anxiety and angst and, ugh.

• 2:19:20Speaker 02

  Need to get outside and exercise.

• 2:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Just fucking do something. Do something.

• 2:19:26Speaker 04

  I mean, it will cure a lot of things, just exercise alone. I mean.

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's one point two five times better than antidepressants.

• 2:19:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Just that alone. One point two five times better than SSRIs.

• 2:19:39Speaker 04

  Everybody's always, it just so blows my mind, even growing up as a kid, all these fat burning pills and all these shortcuts to lose weight. And the Ozempic thing. It's like, no, you will, there's no shortcut. It is diet and exercise.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:53Speaker 05

  Lean and lean, baby.

• 2:19:54Joe Rogan?

  I think for people that are like morbidly obese, like something like Ozempic is.

• 2:19:58Speaker 04

  It's gonna be the.

• 2:20:00Joe Rogan?

  It'll help you.

• 2:20:01Speaker 05

  It's the catalyst of.

• 2:20:02Joe Rogan?

  It'll get you started. Sometimes it's just getting started. It's just like getting momentum going, where you're doing something positive every day. And then, you know, next thing you know, it's five days in a row. Next, you know, it's a month in a row. You're like, I'm feeling fucking good. I got, I really have a good program going on now. I'm feeling better, everything's healthy. And that's a lot of life is just having positive momentum in the right direction.

• 2:20:24Speaker 02

  We're creatures of habit and we've learned to walk by forming a habit and you can form good habits. You know, you get to a point where like you said, I, man, I didn't get my run in today. I feel weird and it's like, oh, I need to go to the gym. I need to feel a pump or something. You get that habit going, man.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  And for some people it's meditation, for some people it's yoga, but just do something, do something, do something positive, you know, don't just exist.

• 2:20:47Speaker 04

  I hope that for America we'll get fit again.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would be nice.

• 2:20:51Speaker 04

  We need that.

• 2:20:52Speaker 05

  I feel like that's, I feel like it's shifting. I feel like it.

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people, there's a lot of people that are shifting.

• 2:21:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I think like with our grandparents, they didn't, the importance wasn't known yet of how important moving, like if you don't use your joints, you're gonna lose them when you're old and that's why we have, you know, old people are all slumped over and old. I hope when our generation gets there, we know how important exercise is and when we're 80 years old, we can still run a mile, you know?

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Or you just go to the doctor and they give you a new body.

• 2:21:22Speaker 04

  Or that too.

• 2:21:24Joe Rogan?

  That's probably gonna happen.

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  Stress my legs out.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:28Speaker 04

  Get some new knees.

• 2:21:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just take your brain, download it into a new body.

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Have they tried the head transplant yet?

• 2:21:36Joe Rogan?

  Uh, they have done a head transplant.

• 2:21:37Speaker 02

  Did it work?

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, the person died, but they kept him alive for a short period of time. They did it to a dog, right? And then they, I think they did do it to a person.

• 2:21:48Speaker 02

  That Nazi video of the dog heads weird.

• 2:21:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:51Speaker 02

  Made me feel weird.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Nazis tried a lot of shit. They experimented with a lot of shit. That's what's really dark is like a lot of like medical experiments we found out through the Nazis.

• 2:21:59Speaker 04

  For the Nazis, like spreading intestines across the wall to see how GI tracts work and, yeah.

• 2:22:06Speaker 02

  Like they were poking on people's brain while they were still active.

• 2:22:10Speaker 05

  Smelly room, dude.

• 2:22:11Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I would imagine.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, with genetic engineering, hopefully they don't have to do any of that, but it's, it is gonna be weird if you could just choose your body.

• 2:22:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  You know, like everyone's gonna look beautiful. Everyone's gonna be looking like Thor, you know? A bunch of Chris Hemsworths walking around the world. It's gonna be very strange.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  At that point, God's just gonna, all right, that's it, pulling the plug, let's go.

• 2:22:34Speaker 04

  Too far.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 2:22:36Speaker 05

  Me and my wife are looking into IVF right now and they were, they're like, do you wanna pick a gender?

• 2:22:44Speaker 04

  You can do that?

• 2:22:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:22:47Speaker 05

  I mean, if you had your choice, would you want to pick? And I was like.

• 2:22:50Speaker 04

  That's something you gotta, I'm gonna need a week to think about.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  And why, why are you looking into IVF? Why are you doing that?

• 2:22:56Speaker 05

  Um, so my wife has, um, scar tissue and so she had, she had a mass on her, uh, one of her fallopian tubes.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they have to do it this way?

• 2:23:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, so.

• 2:23:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, see, in that way, medical science is brilliant, right?

• 2:23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it would be cool if that was covered by insurance.

• 2:23:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it would be.

• 2:23:17Speaker 05

  There's a program called CARIT now that runs through our, um, through our insurance that you can do it on.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, why?

• 2:23:25Speaker 05

  So it's, it'll.

• 2:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Cool. It's quite expensive though, right? Isn't it like thirty thousand dollars a shot?

• 2:23:30Speaker 05

  Uh, something like that, yeah.

• 2:23:31Joe Rogan?

  And it doesn't always work the first time? You have to try it again?

• 2:23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but my wife puts it as, uh, you know, your baby's just taking the scenic route. Cause a lot of people feel funny about, they feel funny about getting IVF, but it's like, there's nothing wrong with IVF.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Listen, if it allows you to become a parent, and it's the most rewarding thing in life, to become a parent, to me at least. It changes everything, changes your whole life, changes your perspective on things. Dave Chappelle said it best to me, he said, "It didn't just change the amount of love I had, it changed my capacity for love."

• 2:24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if you can give that to people, that's beautiful, yeah. Especially like, there's a real population collapse problem.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna say that.

• 2:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and a lot of countries, it's real serious, like South Korea.

• 2:24:19Speaker 02

  Some countries where they're overproducing, it's like, well, i- i- isn't England like below the rate they need to be?

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Japan is real bad.

• 2:24:28Speaker 04

  Isn't China's upside down?

• 2:24:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, I don't know what Japan or China is, but I know Japan has a real issue. South Korea has a huge issue.

• 2:24:37Speaker 04

  It's funny, I wonder why it's the Asian countries?

• 2:24:39Joe Rogan?

  They work hard, they're busting their ass all the time, they don't have time to make kids. I mean, if you're like, super dedicated to, to work and super disciplined, and Korea, South Korea in particular, is ve- very disciplined culture. Very hardworking culture, so if they're career oriented and disciplined, those are the type of people that have less kids.

• 2:24:57Speaker 04

  I'd like to see where they're the highest and where they're the lowest and see. You know, is it like Europe? Is it Northern Europe producing more children?

• 2:25:05Speaker 02

  I seen a map of it. I can't remember what's what.

• 2:25:07Speaker 04

  Is that poor countries?

• 2:25:08Speaker 02

  It was kinda scary.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  A lot of poor countries.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause that's how, that's how a culture disappears over time is low birth rates.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, so do your part. Get that IVF, son.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  Have babies.

• 2:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Have babies. Um, anymore we should cover? We good?

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  I mean, I think, I think the single coming out October 3rd is was, was all I wanted to make sure I talked about, but I mean, we've talked about a lot.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  You guys are fucking great. I enjoy you very much. I listen to you guys all the time in the green room. You're in the green room playlist at the mothership.

• 2:25:45Speaker 04

  Heck, yeah.

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  So, we, we love you guys.

• 2:25:48Speaker 02

  You gotta come and catch the show sometime.

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  I would love to.

• 2:25:50Speaker 02

  Did I tell you the story, uh, the Kill Tony story?

• 2:25:52Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  So, our first time, 2024 was a wild year for us. Like, we got into Kill Tony and we were loving it and watching it. And then a couple of months later, I was like, you guys wanna go see Shane Gillis? And we were like, yeah. They got us, like, they pulled us up backstage and as soon as we get out of the van, Tony's sitting there smoking a cigarette. He's like, hey, what's up, guys?

• 2:26:10Speaker 05

  Hey, guys.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  And so, we were starstruck immediately. And then met Shane and we kinda felt like Shane didn't know who we were. So, we think he slipped off to the green room to look us up and come back.

• 2:26:22Speaker 04

  100%.

• 2:26:22Speaker 05

  It's like, you guys just had a number one hit. Congratulations.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:26Speaker 05

  Will you come back with a Google quote?

• 2:26:29Speaker 04

  100%.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. But that was, that was just incredible. And then like a few months later, we actually get to go to Kill Tony. And that was just another mind blown, incredible, oh my God, what is happening? And they were like, hey, somebody was like, uh, Rogan wasn't gonna come out tonight, but he wants to meet you guys. So, you know, he's gonna come out at Mitzi's and talk to you guys. Cool, man. We're getting a little, a little nervous, a little freaked out. And, um, we were in Mitzi's hanging out with Hans, Kim, and Cam and all those guys. And then turn around and there you are, standing there. Oh my god, there he is. And you were standing there talking to people, though.

• 2:27:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, you got swallowed up immediately as you walked in the door.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  And, uh, me and Andy were sitting at the bar, and they were just like, "All right, I'm going in." I was like, "No, man, just wait."

• 2:27:11Speaker 04

  I was like, "You wanna talk to him? I'm just gonna send it, buddy. I'll leave this for you."

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:14Speaker 04

  "Hey, Mr. Joe, this is my friend Brendan."

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, let it happen naturally, let it happen naturally. And so, I was sitting there waiting on my time to strike, and I turned around to talk to somebody, and I turned back around where you were, and you were gone. So I was like, I felt like just the biggest hammer drop of all time. I was like, "Dang, man." I felt extra bad, because I was told that you wouldn't want to come out, but you were coming out to meet us, and I felt like we just sat there and ignored you.

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  No. I didn't know you guys were there.

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did come out, I did come out to meet you guys, but I got swarmed. And it was just like, I get weird sometimes. I'm like, "Gotta go, see ya." I just get out of there.

• 2:27:50Speaker 04

  You had like six people you were carrying a conversation with at one time.

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  We weren't about to be on top of that.

• 2:27:56Speaker 04

  Well, we know we will cross paths one time if needed.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  We did it.

• 2:27:59Speaker 02

  I saw you also, and I missed my chance again at UFC in December.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  In Vegas.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were, uh, you were commentating, and we were, uh, across from you on the other side of the arena. Theo was sitting behind you, I think, and we were on the direct other side. Incredible experience, oh my god.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  This is the first time you guys have ever been?

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, uh, Theo actually, he got an extra ticket to Super Slap, and he invited me out of that Fontainebleau's.

• 2:28:25Speaker 04

  What an odd sport.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that won't be, that won't be around for long.

• 2:28:28Speaker 04

  That is a CTE playground.

• 2:28:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a factory.

• 2:28:32Speaker 02

  Brain damage is coming.

• 2:28:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a CTE farm. I don't get it. It's not my thing.

• 2:28:37Speaker 04

  It just seems so bad for you to just, I mean, it is, obviously.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  100% terrible for you.

• 2:28:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that.

• 2:28:44Speaker 04

  I mean, they are, I mean, they're concussed, and then standing right back up there to get hit again.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not good.

• 2:28:50Speaker 04

  I mean, has there been a second impact syndrome case yet? Power slap?

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  Power slap's only been around for a couple of years.

• 2:28:56Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 2:28:57Speaker 02

  Dana's gonna be paying money to like, keep the studies away. No, we gotta keep this going.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  I just don't like it. I don't know why people like it.

• 2:29:04Speaker 04

  There's no skill.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  If somebody sends me a video and I watch some guy get slapped KO'd, I will watch it. Cause I watched two hours or an hour of fucking dick operations last night.

• 2:29:14Speaker 04

  How do you feel about like bare knuckle?

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  That's different. I mean.

• 2:29:18Speaker 04

  It's dangerous, but it's still.

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  It is skillful. It's like, there's guys that are really good at it and guys that avoid being hit. And guys that are just really durable and they make their mark in that like. Look, if you could punch someone with regular gloves, why can't you punch someone bare knuckle? It's probably better for your brain, cause you can't get hit as hard, slightly.

• 2:29:36Speaker 02

  They're not standing there just waiting for it.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  You get a lot of, yeah, exactly.

• 2:29:40Speaker 04

  That connection though, when they hit and you don't have a glove on, you see, you see them.

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:44Speaker 04

  You see the, the shock it puts through you.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  The noise power slap makes in real life is uncanny. It's weird. When you hear that in real life, it's like, I've never heard a noise like that before and that was on somebody's face.

• 2:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 2:29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:59Joe Rogan?

  Not good. And sometimes they, they get KO'd and then their head slaps the table and then they fall backwards stiff and like. Combo. I don't like it.

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  I felt weird. It was like watching a cockfight or something.

• 2:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Yeah. But hey, you know, you sign up.

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  You wanna do it. No one's forcing you. Do whatever you want. You wanna ride bulls? Go ahead.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Flip bikes. Whatever you wanna do.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, some people.

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  You wanna Evel Knievel your way through life?

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  After that though, it was, we got to meet Dana and he, he hooked us up with the fight tickets.

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 2:30:29Speaker 02

  I seen you. And then, so this'll be my chance. And you, we, after we left our seats and then we were going out and then you immediately stood up and walked right in front of where I was sitting. So I was like, dang, I missed it again.

• 2:30:42Speaker 04

  All right, is the White House thing?

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly.

• 2:30:44Speaker 04

  We want, there's supposed, there's a concert aspect to it.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:30:48Speaker 04

  We wanna put our name in a bucket.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Is it really?

• 2:30:50Speaker 04

  Supposedly.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh wow. Interesting. Who's supposed to perform so far?

• 2:30:54Speaker 04

  I don't think anybody yet.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I didn't even know there was a concert aspect to it.

• 2:30:57Speaker 04

  That's what we've heard. Our agents heard at least.

• 2:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Uh, this is the first time I've heard of it. That makes sense though. Come play our sad music for.

• 2:31:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Heck yeah.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  He guys love sad music.

• 2:31:07Speaker 02

  Ruin everybody's buzz.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  It's emotional. It's emotional music. I don't think it's sad. Doesn't make me sad. Um, yeah, the White House thing's gonna be nuts, but listen, man, that's June. That is so long from now. Who the fuck knows what's gonna happen in this wacky world between now and June? The aliens could have already landed.

• 2:31:26Speaker 04

  I can't wait to see the card, though.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:31:28Speaker 04

  I hope it happens.

• 2:31:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's gonna try to put together the greatest card of all time. I know that. So they're gonna try to get as many insane fights as they can.

• 2:31:37Speaker 02

  Before people come jumping on us for that, it's like, it'd be an honor to play at the White House, period, no matter who's in office.

• 2:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  It's like, what happened to just being able to go and meet the president without being...

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  It should be cool.

• 2:31:47Speaker 02

  Receiving... It should be a cool thing.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  It shouldn't be polarized.

• 2:31:50Speaker 04

  I'd like to meet Trump, but I'd also like to meet Obama. He seemed pretty dang cool.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  That would be cool. Just going to the White House would be a big honor.

• 2:31:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Sure, sure. Well, hopefully you guys can.

• 2:32:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll see. Who cares?

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Keep kicking ass. You'll get there.

• 2:32:04Speaker 04

  We'll see.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully the less polarizing times by the time you get in there. Um, but thank you for being here. Appreciate you guys very much, and thanks for making awesome music. It's been fun to meet you.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Alright. Great place, ladies and gentlemen. Bye.

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