Brabus CEO Constantin Buschmann

Matt interviews the famous brand's CEO while driving the new, 1,000HP Brabus BODO up Angeles Crest. Recorded August 9, 2026 Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE FitBod Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://Fitbod.me/tire Quince Upgrade your everyday. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com/tire. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Has it been easy working with my father? No. Has he the best mentor I could have ever wished for? Absolutely, yes. And so after that catastrophe happened, there is this one last thing.

• 0:13Matt Farah?

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• 1:36Matt Farah?

  This is going to be a slightly different episode of the podcast, trying something new. We got offered an opportunity to interview the CEO of Brabus, Konstantin Buschmann, who looks like that. And we also got an opportunity to drive their new car, which is called the Bodo. And they sort of were like, would you like to do those things at the same time? And I was like, well, that sounds like a podcast segment. So we said, yes, I'll drive the Bodo while interviewing Konstantin.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  And you guys can tell us in the comments if you think that that was a good idea or a bad idea as a format thing, a thing to do. So it's a little shorter than our normal podcast would be, and it is being taken place in a 1,000 horsepower, V12-powered, coach-built, sort of, supercar. But I do want to give just a little bit of context to it, and I will try to not over-dramatize what happened, and Zach will keep me in check. Basically, we agreed to meet these guys. We agreed to the location that they said and not the one I wanted, so that the next

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  person driving would be more convenienced. And then, and it was early in the morning, we're supposed to meet them at 8:00 a.m., and we got there early and prepared, and they were an hour and a half late. And during that hour and a half, they gave us a variety of different sort of pseudo-excuses as to where they were, none of which were particularly plausible, and the latter ones actually contradicted some of the earlier ones. And when they showed up, they were not really acknowledging or apologetic of quite how late they were. And like, I recognize that it's a privilege to get to drive these kinds of cars for work.

• 3:46Matt Farah?

  Most people don't get to do that, but I felt pretty disrespected by the whole thing. And I let their PR people know it, and I am only going to, I only bring it up now because I, if you watch and listen to the interview I do with Constantin, on the surface of it, it's a very normal video. But if you watch it and listen to it and think about the fact that I am steaming mad at this person the entire time that's going on.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  There's an undercurrent you listeners and viewers may detect, and now you know why.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  Now you'll know why. And I bring it up because I think it actually makes the whole thing much funnier. Otherwise, it's a fairly mundane interview, but with that bit of information, it does become extremely funny, in my opinion.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  You could play a game of bingo where it's like, can you detect where this question's coming from?

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  And so, and so, anyway, we're going to throw it to that. The in-car with the 1,000, we should, well, should we say what a Bodo is first?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:56Matt Farah?

  Okay. So we have a photo of it up. This is, this is the Bodo. Now, credit where it's due, that's a damn fine-looking automobile, is it not?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. The back, and the back especially, I guess, is amazing.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Very unique.

• 5:11Matt Farah?

  So this is effectively a coach-built Aston Martin Vanquish, current gen Aston Martin Vanquish. It has a whole new body. It's a carbon fiber body, and it has really aggressive, in terms of dramatic proportions, but the wheelbase, as well as most of the mechanicals of the car are the same. They say it makes 1,000 horsepower instead of the, like, whatever, 830 whatever that the, that the regular Vanquish makes. But, and it's a little lower, I think. They've done a few different, fiddled with the suspension a little bit, but for the most part, what you have underneath is an Aston Martin Vanquish.

• 5:56Matt Farah?

  The interior is re-trimmed, but it's Aston Martin Vanquish. So that's what the car is. Let's, let's go talk to Constantin, and remember, I'm pretty upset with him during this thing. And we'll come back and talk about my impressions of how the car drives afterwards. This is it. We're in the show. Constantin, thank you for your time. And in the Bodo.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  Pleasure to be here.

• 6:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You said this is number 002, right?

• 6:28Speaker 00

  We have two cars that we use, that we use as what we call number zeros.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  And one of them is, of course, black.

• 6:35Matt Farah?

  Of course.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  Black, black.

• 6:37Matt Farah?

  One must.

• 6:38Speaker 00

  Which was the world premiere car from Como. This is, it seems black, but when you get closer, it's full carbon fiber.

• 6:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:45Speaker 00

  Well, however, every single, every single Bodo is full carbon fiber body.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, whether it's painted or not.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  I'm a big fan of the tinted carbon fiber. I just got a new helmet that's red-tinted carbon fiber.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  This is, this is actually tinted to be a bit darker, because we still wanted it in the spirit of that world premiere car.

• 7:07Matt Farah?

  So let's take, take me back a little bit, because Bodo is your father, founder of Brabus. I've been reading about your company for many years. I've been privileged enough to have driven a couple of your cars. None more black, as Spinal Tap would say, right? Brabus must be black, right?

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Well, it doesn't have to, many people configure it in all kinds of colors, but if we, if we present it as what we call a collection car, if we present it as a world premiere, the odds are it's going to be black.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Especially with this one, because this, I mean, the Bodo is an homage from the team to my father.

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he started the black thing. And why was he so down with the black?

• 7:51Speaker 00

  He didn't only start the black thing, he started the company, and now he's 77.

• 7:55Matt Farah?

  No, but what made him go, my cars need to be?

• 7:59Speaker 00

  From the beginning, that was just a thing.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  It was just the toughness of it.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  Nowadays, you can write, you can write, I think you can write a lot of essays about the meaning of the color black, and what it does to cars, what it means in fashion. In my heart, it's got a very special place.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  I think my favorite car from your company's catalog is the Rocket.

• 8:21Speaker 00

  Well, which one?

• 8:23Matt Farah?

  Well, in general, as a concept, you know, the V12 in the CLS, that is to me...

• 8:29Speaker 00

  That was 2006, the first one.

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, just, I mean, that to me was where...

• 8:32Speaker 00

  That was the first Rocket we ever did, 2006, tested in Nardo.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  That was where it was like, okay, these guys aren't just, we're not just tuning now, we are doing something real serious, you know?

• 8:44Speaker 00

  That threshold is a few decades back.

• 8:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but, but, but putting V12s where V12s were not originally, to me, is like, it's a heavy move.

• 8:56Speaker 00

  That happened very fast. That happened very, very fast. So my dad hired his first few people, and then was confronted with the first bigger offer back then by Sixt, the rental car company.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, Sixt, yes.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Out of, yeah.

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  Rent a V car, as it was.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  A bit of an oddity. And he, at the time, wanted something that was a bit outrageous, and so he wanted, wanted them to work on the 190E. And it turned out to be the 190E 3.6S Brabus, and that already included engine work. So even in the late 70s, early 80s, engine work was what sort of set us apart from the market at that time.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  And, you know, followed by interiors, followed by things like our own carbon fiber.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  Things like boats.

• 9:43Speaker 00

  And, you know, things just went from there. But then my dad worked for, so my dad worked in and on the company for 42 years. And he's always had, I don't even remember when I've had the first conversation with him about what would our own car look like? What would, what would a car that resembles, what would a car that expresses Brabus design DNA really look like? And he always had this idea.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Did he have the idea, or was there a drawing or a sketch somewhere?

• 10:15Speaker 00

  No, he had the idea, he had an idea of what it, what it was supposed to look like, a large coupe, either two seats or two plus two, very long, a car that made an impression even when standing still.

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Bit of an attitude-forward design. As you can see in this one, you look at it, and it does something to you.

• 10:34Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Back then, of course, the...

• 10:36Matt Farah?

  It's very extreme and sort of drawn out, and I mean, and you're starting with a car, the Aston Martin Vanquish, where it's already pretty dramatic to begin with.

• 10:47Speaker 00

  This time is actually the only, this time is the first time that we started years ago with a design.

• 10:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  We did go from car to design, was then from design to car.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  So proactive, not reactive.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  Which is why, why this, well, I don't know what it's saying to you right now, but it feels...

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  Well, to me, it feels like Gilded Age sort of coach building. I think of the Bentley Blue Train and the Round Door Rolls Royce and, you know, Bugattis that had four or five different coach builders from the 30s. Real sweptail kind of stuff, you know?

• 11:23Speaker 00

  And this is, the idea was a large, he was always a fan of large sheeties, large cabulas.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  High presence, a bit dramatic, but also qualities as daily drivers. A steering that is not too stiff, a gentleman's driver, but a lot of power. This is what we have here, B12, 1,000 horsepower.

• 11:48Matt Farah?

  Necessary, very necessary. I drove, I drove the Vanquish on this road, okay? And it spins the tires in fourth gear.

• 11:59Matt Farah?

  More wasn't necessary.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  You have enough power, you have enough power here. And so, that was the initial, kind of the initial idea, maybe 20 years ago, 25 years ago, 15 years ago. And as we were progressing as a company, we were constantly putting out new projects, working on new things. And then life happened. My father passed away, unfortunately, he had a stroke. Well, he was in a coma for four weeks and he didn't make it. And so, again, I had to take over the company at this point, together with the team. It's not a one man show, there's a whole team behind it, of course.

• 12:31Matt Farah?

  Was it always in your plan to work for the company even while he was alive?

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Yes, I had become the CMO of the business, I think about seven, eight, nine months prior. I had been working in different, a couple of different positions in the business.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  Working with your own parents is never, I don't know how, how's it, how's it been for you? But then everybody's got their stories with their parents. Has it been easy working with my father? No. Has he the, the best mentor I could have ever wished for? Absolutely, yes. And so, after that catastrophe happened, of course, at the time, we had bigger fish to fry. We were, we were trying, we had to take the business into the next generation. But fairly quickly, we sat down and said, there is this one last thing.

• 13:20Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 13:21Speaker 00

  How do we get to the point where we can fulfill that dream? And it took us eight years of developing and developing and developing. Several projects on the way.

• 13:30Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  As you mentioned, the expansion to boats, to motorbikes. There was many different things that happened between 2018 and now.

• 13:41Matt Farah?

  Interesting, so, okay.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  Whenever we, whenever we did a car project, I was always asking two questions. I was always asking, is it a good, you know, is it a commercially viable project? And what did we learn technically? What is the, how, how is this helping us to get to the next level?

• 13:57Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 13:57Speaker 00

  And the next level, and the next level. And so, so that finally, you know, we could build this.

• 14:02Matt Farah?

  So you said this started with the design, whereas the other cars in the past, you know, many of the Mercedes-based cars and whatnot have started with a car that you then modify, right?

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

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• 17:07Speaker 00

  I mean, there's many, there are many, many factors that have to, that have to be in the right place for you to choose a base technology. What I always say is, I mean, the, this is based on the rolling chassis of an Aston Martin Vanquish.

• 17:20Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 17:21Speaker 00

  And that is because the more you drive the car, the more you look at it,

• 17:27Speaker 00

  a lot, a lot has changed, a lot has changed.

• 17:31Matt Farah?

  No, for sure, but, but I'm just, I was just wondering.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  The comparison I'm always using is that of, I mean, there's many comparisons when, when platforms are good for people, consumers at the end. Let's just take BMW and Rolls Royce.

• 17:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  Or Bentley and VW.

• 17:48Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  The fact that a Phantom or a Ghost contain BMW 7 Series parts, or BMW parts in general, makes it a better car.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

  Usually.

• 18:00Speaker 00

  It makes it, it makes it less pricey. And probably lifts up the quality of the parts.

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  So if it, if done right, using Prova technology is an advantage to the driver and the customer, the owner of the car.

• 18:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, that's not, but that wasn't the question. The question was if you had, if it was designed first and not, let's start with a car and modify it, did you have a design and go, we really need to wait until a car with the right proportions comes along for us to?

• 18:34Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 18:35Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? Like, otherwise you have to design your own car from nothing.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  So, I mean, you have to find, this time, this was actually the case. You have, you have the right, you have the right, you have the design that you want to do.

• 18:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 00

  And you have the design that you want to do and then you wait for the car with the right length.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. Dash, the right dash, the axle.

• 19:00Speaker 00

  The car with the right, the car with the right E-pillar, you know, the, the car with the right roofline.

• 19:05Matt Farah?

  You need the right proportions, otherwise. Yeah. Otherwise you end up with a Bentayga.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  The car with the right weight distribution.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  The car that allows you to realize what you want to do.

• 19:17Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  Because it's going to be the base.

• 19:19Matt Farah?

  And does it help you, being, you know, with your extensive background, re-engineering Mercedes vehicles, that there's now Mercedes stuff in Aston Martin? Does that make your guys' process more efficient?

• 19:34Speaker 00

  Yes, of course it does.

• 19:35Matt Farah?

  That's good. But you guys, you guys at Brabus did some stuff with Aston under a different brand name at one point, right? Something started with an S?

• 19:45Speaker 00

  That was StarTech.

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  StarTech, yeah. I saw a picture of a Vantage that was.

• 19:49Speaker 00

  Very, very easy, easily explained. When I took over Brabus, it was purely focused on Mercedes-Benz or products for Mercedes-Benz cars. And I'm generalizing a bit, but products focused on Mercedes-Benz cars. And at the time, I took over the business and said, I'm seeing a company that can develop designs, they can, they can translate them into technical drawings.

• 20:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  They can build prototypes, they can build tools, they can build molds. They can also, they can produce the tools, they can work with different types of materials, they can render things, they can work extensively in 3D.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  So, I was standing in front of our engineering team saying, guys, you can do all this, why do you limit yourselves? Why do you limit yourselves to knowing what you know you can do?

• 20:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  When you can do so much more? And this is nothing, this is in no way a statement against Mercedes-Benz. I'm a big fan of Mercedes.

• 20:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Will be for the rest of my life.

• 20:57Speaker 00

  But I said to them, I was like, what are your customers requesting? I said, okay, our customers are requesting us to work on their 911s.

• 21:05Speaker 00

  And what do you, what are you tell, what are they telling you? Well, they're telling us they have our number, they're telling us they like the quality, they're telling us they are already our customers, they bought something for Mercedes. And I'm saying, why are we not?

• 21:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, why not do it?

• 21:19Speaker 00

  Why, why, it might be time to change.

• 21:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  And that's what happened.

• 21:24Matt Farah?

  Now you have a nine eleven, a variant of a nine eleven, and you've got a, I went through the, the, the list of stuff that you guys make, it's a lot. Can we talk about boats for a second? Because that's like...

• 21:35Speaker 00

  Okay, but that, that, that, then that has started happening on cars.

• 21:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  And also, I told them very clearly, as much as I love what we've been doing in the last forty-two years, since nineteen seventy-seven to twenty eighteen, I am and will be the CEO of Brabus and not of Mercedes-Benz. So the fact that Mercedes makes a US class and that there will be a Brabus program for it, I love that.

• 21:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  But I don't stop thinking there. I want you guys to be awake. I want us to, I want us to do more things, you know? Let's play. Because honestly, when you buy something from a brand.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  And you know it's an owner, owner-led, family-owned brand, then what are you looking for?

• 22:14Matt Farah?

  I, I honestly think that your story with your dad and your company, it gets me thinking about Roof with Alloy in Estonia and Aloysia, it gets me thinking about Alpina with the Bovin-Sipin family. And they have that focus of product, but also that expansion of product that comes with second-generation involvement in the business. Very interesting.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Let, let me, allow me to take it one step back. When I look at a company or a brand that I, that I like, or which, which I buy from, then what I want to see is, is their passion? Does it have a pulse?

• 22:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 00

  You know, if I go, if I get in touch with them, if I talk to management, the owner, somebody, is it a company that speaks to me? Is something happening? Are they trying new things? Are they telling me, because you know, if you, if you buy a car like this one, if you buy a car like a Rocket R for the nine eleven, nine nine two point one, which was very successful, one sold at Mary Jackson very successfully, successfully last year. And then what are you looking at? How does the, how's the value created? When I do that, I look at the past, the present, and the future of the brand.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  And especially for the, I mean, the past of the past, but for the present and the future, I want to look at the brand and say, there is life, they're doing things.

• 23:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Something is happening. And this is exactly the reason why I told our team, I said, guys, we're going to do one new thing per year.

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  We're going to do one new thing that puts us out of our comfort zone per year. And it's not going to be something that you've done before. It's going to be boats. It's going to be motorbikes. It's going to be

• 24:06Matt Farah?

  Coach-built, coach-built car.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  A camper van, a motorhome.

• 24:11Matt Farah?

  So with the boats, I mean, because were you, were you guys, were you a boat enthusiast beforehand? Were you a boat guy?

• 24:19Speaker 00

  And I have to say, my dad was a very, a huge boat guy.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  He was a captain through and through.

• 24:24Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  He was very, very good at it. So I, as a kid, got to spend a lot of time on the water.

• 24:28Matt Farah?

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• 26:33Matt Farah?

  That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash tire. Quince dot com slash tire.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  To be fair, the boat project started when he was still alive. And they put this, the boat show in Dusseldorf, where we presented the very first boat at the time. And people were laughing us out of the room. Basically, it's not as a car company, this is a concept, they're going to be gone next year.

• 26:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, who's laughing now? Lamborghini's got a boat.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Now we've got about three hundred boats in the water. I don't think, I don't think anybody's laughing.

• 27:05Matt Farah?

  Well, it's, I mean, it's an interesting pivot, right? You obviously have a boat-building partner or partners, right? You're not manufacturing the hulls and stuff yourself, you are?

• 27:15Speaker 00

  We have dedicated Rob's Manufacturing next to the, the partner company's manufacturing.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, so your own assembly line.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Essentially, you, you always dream of producing the standard variant and the luxury variant on the same manufacturing line. Very many times, that doesn't work.

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Because of the time it takes to build a module, the time it takes to build a hull, the time it takes to build

• 27:37Matt Farah?

  Well, an extra time to do the special stitching or the special request of the psychotic owner.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Ninety percent of the time, when you, when you design the manufacturing processes for those kinds of products, it's not going to work. But to just cover the basics, so we started that.

• 27:54Speaker 00

  And it was one of those experiments.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 00

  And we learned so much from it that I, I said what I said, guys, we're going to do one more thing, one thing a year.

• 28:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 00

  And the important thing for me in that is, if you design a boat, you have to look at it. You have to come at it from the perspective of a boat designer. You cannot come at it from the perspective of a car designer or a car tuner or anything else. Because the people who are going to judge it in the end are

• 28:25Matt Farah?

  The boat people.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Motorboat people, motorboat journalists, motorboat, it's motorboat.

• 28:30Matt Farah?

  Are you, in that business, is it better to try and sell boats to people who are already interested in your cars? Or is it better to sell it to try and break into the world of boat people and boat buyers?

• 28:46Speaker 00

  To survive, you're going to have to do both.

• 28:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  If it's, if it's a boat that appeals to your car customers, you don't, you won't stand a chance.

• 28:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  You will not stand a chance. The same is true in any other segment. The question is really, how do you, the question that interested me was, how do you take, what makes Brabus Brabus? And when I, when I took over the business ten years ago, and I would have asked anybody in the business.

• 29:12Matt Farah?

  It makes you look like a hitman when you drive one. Number one.

• 29:17Speaker 00

  So the answer would have been, the answer would have

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  That was a soda, it was an empty can. Don't worry, car's fine. Yeah, yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  Um, so if I had to ask anybody in the business, like, what is Brabus fifteen years ago, or even ten years ago? People would have said, Brabus is the world's largest OEM independent car tuning company for Mercedes-Benz. So a large statement, technically correct, from the industry point of view. Now, my next question, when people answer the, so I stand in a group, I ask the question, what's Brabus? Somebody answers, I ask them, what does a customer care?

• 29:57Speaker 00

  To be honest, the customer doesn't care.

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  Sure, the customer just, it's I see, I like, I buy?

• 30:03Speaker 00

  Maybe it doesn't, it's gonna do something for reliability and you know, reputation. People said, you know, the people you knew were a serious company, we're not gonna run away if you send us your money, that type of thing.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  But it doesn't, it for, it doesn't do more for the customer. So across two and a half years, we asked ourselves, who do we want to be?

• 30:26Speaker 00

  And who do we want to be was a question the team and I struggled with.

• 30:30Matt Farah?

  The press release had the word "mobility" in it, which I thought was hilarious. Mobility is a term that I understand it's multiple types of transportation and motorbikes and RVs and boats and all kinds of crazy stuff, but usually it's referred to, usually it's referring to affordable things like scooters and buses and not like 1.3 million.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  I'll tell, I'll tell you where it went. Because the term that we came up with, the term that now defines the mission of Brabus.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  And that's also the title of the Amazon show, by the way, not for a reason.

• 31:04Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  Is Brabus One Second Wow.

• 31:07Matt Farah?

  Is that what?

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Brabus One Second Wow.

• 31:09Matt Farah?

  One second what?

• 31:10Speaker 00

  One second wow.

• 31:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Because I, I'm, I truly believe that whenever you build a luxury product, whenever you build luxury product, I think it works through the heart first. And then before it ever gets to your head.

• 31:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  It is, it has gone through your stomach and through your heart.

• 31:29Matt Farah?

  Of course.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  It's a bit like I see it, I want it, I got it. So one second.

• 31:33Matt Farah?

  I know how Bring a Trailer works. People buy, people buy the stupidest crap imaginable.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  One second wow. With a car like this, you have, and a boat by Brabus, and a motorbike by Brabus, and a motorhome by Brabus. And an apartment by Brabus, and anything else that we design.

• 31:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  You have one second, you're essentially gonna have one second after which you have already formed an opinion about

• 31:57Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  what you think about it, how you like the brand, what it says to you, if it speaks to you at all. So all of that is the sense-making of a luxury product. It doesn't work.

• 32:09Matt Farah?

  What is the ethos of a Brabus apartment?

• 32:13Speaker 00

  It is the, it is the challenge of taking our design language

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  and transferring it to something.

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  Just paint the walls black and put like an enormously powerful stove?

• 32:25Speaker 00

  You have just successfully asked.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  Fifty thousand BTUs on the stove.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  Every TV show runs on like triple speed.

• 32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. The blender just like vaporizes stuff. It just turns bananas into a gas.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  Super interesting to look at. If you've got a, if you've got a design philosophy.

• 32:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  And you take it and you transfer it to another segment. You're gonna face challenges. You can't design a boat like you design a car. You can't design a mobile home like you design a car.

• 32:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure. Where, where are there, where are the Brabus apartments?

• 32:58Speaker 00

  Um, hold, let me, let me finish up on that one.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 33:01Speaker 00

  The one second wow.

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  So the mission of Brabus, One Second Wow.

• 33:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  Purpose, what does it not contain?

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  What does it not contain?

• 33:09Speaker 00

  What does it not contain?

• 33:10Matt Farah?

  Anything about value or, or, or uh, thinking about your purchase.

• 33:15Speaker 00

  Oh, you're going intellectual on me.

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  I'll tell you, it doesn't contain.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  It works, right?

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  Nice, yeah, it feels nice.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  It doesn't contain car.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, sure, okay.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  It doesn't contain Mercedes-Benz.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  So, but our cars are gonna be the main focus, the core of the brand? Absolutely. But if you truly want to design a boat with the same brand name.

• 33:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  Your mission has to be aligned to that. And it has to be, the people have to be able to talk to each other.

• 33:44Matt Farah?

  Going from cars to boats is a nuanced thing. In my opinion, the Lamborghini boat is a little silly and on the nose. It's got too many fucking hexagons going on. You know, an Aventador and a boat aren't the same thing.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  There is a, there is a, here's a discussion. So that is exactly the discussion. That if you, if you have it as a company.

• 34:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  Will bring your design forward because you're supposed to answer it. Answer the question, how does a Lamborghini boat look? That will be successful for the brand in the market. But that is exactly where I, that is exactly what I find fascinating.

• 34:25Matt Farah?

  I think you have a better shot at that than Lamborghini.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Why?

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  Because Brabus is an attitude applied to other products, more so than it is a specific aesthetic design language. To me, to me.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Interesting that you say that. So how would you describe that attitude?

• 34:44Matt Farah?

  Russian gangster.

• 34:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, look dude, everyone, everyone's thinking it. You might as well just say it out loud. That's the attitude. You guys, you guys have written on that attitude for a long time. People drive your shit that wanna look like Russian gangsters. That's okay.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  How, what is this car?

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  This isn't that. See, this is an escape.

• 35:05Speaker 00

  How is this speaking to you?

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, the funny thing is, look, and I, and don't take this the wrong way. From the driver's seat, it's 95% of anguish, right? It, it, which is not bad. It's fine. We, you know, without a, without a runway or something, there's no difference between 800 and 1,000 horsepower. Um, now, having said that, for better or worse, it's tight, it's not messed up. It's a little lower than a Vanquish, but it rides fine. It maintains a contact patch. It's, it's got good response. It's not dirty or shitty. Um, and I think it looks fabulous. I do. I think it looks very gilded age. You know, um, it takes where, it takes the styling sort of where the Morgan Aero Super Sport started and takes that

• 35:52Matt Farah?

  to the next level. The sort of robber baron styling with a robber baron price. Um, you know, but I think it's, I think it's really cool looking and it drives like it's supposed to drive, which is good. I've driven more expensive stuff than this that drove a lot worse. I'll tell you that much.

• 36:18Matt Farah?

  Yep. Top end. This V12 is a top end motor, even with the displacement. I mean, it's fine for every day, but top end motor.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  Where did my radio go? There it is.

• 36:32Matt Farah?

  Big turnout, right?

• 36:35Speaker 00

  The interesting thing is that it could have ended up. This could, this design could have ended up on using the technology of a range of other vehicles. And so the fact that, you know, I look at it as a large, basically a large Gran Turismo cruising machine.

• 36:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:54Speaker 00

  Um, interestingly, the way I move this car is mostly, we were, you were driving a sporty way up here. Uh, the way I move this car is a lot more, mostly, I find myself driving it a lot more comfortable way.

• 37:06Matt Farah?

  Sure. But that's not fun.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Well, it depends.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  No, it's fun.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  Both, both need to be fun.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  As a, as a highway tourer, I mean, fabulous, you know, absolutely fabulous. But, um, it is a lovely thing. It drives nice. I think it looks really cool. Um, and I, and I think the story of, of Brabus is a, is a, is an attitude-forward company that makes a variety of interesting stuff. Thanks for your time.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  And I appreciate it very, very much.

• 37:33Matt Farah?

  Nice talking to you. Thank you guys for listening. Let's go back to the studio. Man, that photo, that's the right photo, isn't it? This, the rear three-quarter from a slightly low profile is in fact the correct angle for this particular vehicle, which I reiterate, like, as far as coach building goes, this is coach building done pretty right.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, there, this has such a presence from, from every angle. I mean, the front, it's almost like a tiny Audi in the grill, but I feel like the lights are distinct and the shape of the thing, like the width at the sloping rear though, this just goes forever. I mean, where does a normal car end? Like, two feet previous?

• 38:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I mean, that, this whole rear teardrop shape, aerodynamic GT coupe, it, it's very art deco. It's very, uh, although with, I mean, I, I think that rear. Transom is very Bugatti Chiron as well, which is in itself an Art Deco type car.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  The way that that sort of fin, that little mini fin drops into the wing where it meets the taillights and that scalloped out bit around the, the edge of the, I think that is all Chiron-esque.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  It is Chiron-esque, yeah.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  Um, which is not a bad thing. Um, and what I really like about it is if you aren't really told, you would not have much idea that this is an Aston Martin Vanquish under there. I mean, they, they change the shape of the car very dramatically and make it look like it's something Mibok might have done, but, but it's an Aston Martin.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Which is cool.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  I mean, it, it, for, I had to like, in the beginning, like, be told what the donor car was, like, that's cool.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Absolutely, looks so distinct.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  It reminds me of, you know, those old coupes from the, like, roundel rolls a little bit or round door rolls, like, just stretch the back infinitely, you know, just purely for aesthetics, not because there's anything back there.

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  It's robber baron shit. Um, and, and that's, that's what the car is, so, um, so basically, um, how does it drive? Well, for the most part, it drives like an Aston Martin Vanquish. I mean, there's really, unfortunately, without, without, without one directly back and forth to test and without the space, because we just didn't have the room doing this, because they're fucking late. The road was very busy when we went up there.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:04Matt Farah?

  Where I wanted to meet them and where we will meet them, uh, for the Eccentrica on Wednesday, uh, is on a, a road in the morning that's em- not where we fucking do this. Okay, that notwithstanding, I hate to say it, it drives like a Vanquish, but a little worse. The wheels are a little wider and heavier, so the steering weight changes. Uh, the body's carbon, um, can you real quick, can you, can you fact check the curb weight of a 2025 Aston Martin Vanquish coupe? So while you're looking at that, I'll say the, the wheels are heavier and wider and that translates into the steering feel. Also, the, I think one of the things that, that they do to get that thousand horsepower

• 40:48Matt Farah?

  number, whatever parts and tuning combination they do to get there, it gives up something on the bottom end. And so below four or 5,000 RPM, it makes more noise, but it actually feels slower than a regular Vanquish. And that hap- that can happen. If you take a car that's got a factory, very powerful engine, but that's been balanced by the factory and you then go, it moves everything upwards and it might actually make it slower in real life.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 41:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, what's the Vanquish curb weight?

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Uh, stock weight is about 4,200 and a funny thing from, I won't name the publication, but it says with a dry weight of 3911 or just over 4,000 pounds topped up with a driver, like.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  Wait, what?

• 41:31Speaker 02

  So if you keep the car dry but put a driver in it, then it's around 40, 4,100 pounds.

• 41:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, so 42 is where we're at?

• 41:38Speaker 02

  42 with fluid, yeah.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  Okay, so this, the, the weight is unchanged.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  And it starts with 823 horsepower, so they add quite a bit.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, when, how, but the difference between 823 and 1,000, 99% of the time you're driving the car is not going to be noticeable. Just, especially because even the Aston Martin Vanquish, if you're driving in anything but full off mode, it's torque limited in all gears.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not giving you 1,000, yeah.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, look, despite the fact that, you know, I didn't like the behavior of the, and like, there's, I, I'm, believe you me, I am summarizing the, the day's events. I could do an hour long podcast about fucking wankerish shit these guys were doing on this shoot, um, trying to get me to be in their TikToks and shit when I was all mad about them. And anyway, I'm not going to dwell on it now. Bottom line is, it's a really good looking car. It is. Would I take these guys too seriously as business people based on this one interaction I had with them? I would not. On the other hand, the, I don't give a fuck about you, give me the money, is pretty much

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  the Brabus way of life, isn't it? I mean, not, the, nothing says more about that Russian gangster attitude than like, fuck you, I'll show up whenever I feel like it.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  I mean, their cars always have had a, a very intimidating styling, I think.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Like, that is the energy they've always exuded. And, you know, performance usually came with it, mostly outright speed, like, when they're putting 800 horsepower on a G-Wagon, it's not for corners.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no. And back in the day when they were doing the V12 engine swaps and the CLSs, the Rocket and shit like that shit, that's the shit right there, that's awesome. And this is a very pretty car. It's a very, very pretty car. It's probably not any faster than a regular Vanquish, but it does look very nice.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:39Matt Farah?

  And I'll give them that. Yeah, so, um, so that's, uh, that's that. Uh, I hope, uh, I hope they showed up on time to their Car Week obligations because, man, that was not a, this was before Car Week and I was like, you guys are going to have a tough time if this is how you operate up there.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  You know how many other make?

• 43:59Matt Farah?

  They're making, uh.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Oh, 77, right?

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  I believe, I believe so. Yes, I believe 77 examples.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:06Matt Farah?

  Produced. But they, but they then at Car Week announced a convertible, because of course there's a convertible, which I think, uh, in my opinion, would be far less dramatic looking than this. The roof line really adds a lot, so.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  This is so good.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is. It's, uh, it's, it's a beautifully, beautifully designed, uh, uh, body for, for this car. It's, it's cool. It was absolutely hilarious how the press release for this that they gave me for background research was 16 pages long and did not use the word Aston Martin once. And I had to repeatedly pressure him to saying, admitting it was an Aston Martin.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there was a moment where they, the PR tried to give me the line, they were like, you know, we waited for whatever, 50 years to build our own car. And I was like, well, mostly your own car.

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  And he just, he got distracted by a squirrel in that moment, very intentionally.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Constantine's math only kind of worked. He said, we've been designing this car, design first, for eight years. And I said in the car, well, did you have, Vanquish has only been out for two years, so did you have to wait until a car with the correct proportions came out in order to actually build this thing? Uh, and he kind of tap danced around it and eventually he sort of said, yes, we did.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  So they didn't have a partnership four years ago? They go, hey, you know, shop around and say, hey, OEMs, we've got this design, can we bolt it to your hard points?

• 45:34Matt Farah?

  And I asked Aston Martin what, if any, the official relationship was with Brabus here. And they did, they would not comment.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 45:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  They would not comment on the record.

• 45:48Matt Farah?

  All they, all they would say, uh, yeah, they, so, so it's, it's either, you know, they're just gonna buy cars. And I did ask Brabus, does, do you provide your own Vanquish or do they, and they say, no, you're buying a turnkey product, we will, we will source the donor vehicles. So, like, it's unclear if they're gonna like, buy these things from like, retail dealers or have a deal with Aston Martin, which would not surprise me at all if they were like, listen, we're gonna buy 77 Vanquishes right now. Aston Martin is, Lawrence Stroll is like, hell yeah, brother, let's fucking go for sure.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  And maybe they'd, and that way they'd get it without exterior, exterior body panels they don't need.

• 46:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  You know?

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, yeah, who knows? I mean, by the way, this is, this is speculation, no, nobody, neither Brabus nor Aston Martin would confirm.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:42Matt Farah?

  The structure of the purchase of the donor vehicles.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  It would certainly be simpler if they could just roll that unibody from the factory to Brabus and have, let them do their thing.

• 46:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Also, but here's, here's why I think that there is not a relationship. There, I'll, I think there is a relationship because Aston Martin would love to sell these 77 very expensive cars to this company, for sure. They like money, they need money, they're not selling a lot of cars right now. And money is good.

• 47:12Matt Farah?

  But they put a 77 badge on the back of the Bodo, which to me implies they haven't really done their homework fully. Because I cannot imagine Aston Martin would be cool with this company, building an awfully dramatic looking GT coupe with a V12 based on an Aston Martin and putting a fucking 77 badge on the back of it, even if it's for a different reason.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:40Matt Farah?

  Like, Aston, the last most beautiful front engine GT in the history of front engine GTs, the Aston Martin 177. If I'm Aston Martin, I might have the heebie-jeebies of another very dramatic car.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Like, you got, you know, you put a badge on, you have a engine, like, what, you know, like my wife, what are you, what are we doing here? It would be a bit much.

• 48:06Matt Farah?

  Remember they got litigious with one dude and the Ring Brothers about a pro touring car?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Last year.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  These motherfuckers are selling this thing.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:14Matt Farah?

  So.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  That's a good point, yeah.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  I asked Brabus about that. I asked Brabus straight up, mainly because I wanted to turn the screws on him after, because I already knew the answer. Or I knew there wouldn't be one.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  And so I asked if they got permission to use the 77 badge and they, the tap, I'm gonna read the tap dance of their answer. I'm gonna read my question and the answer. Has Brabus gotten permission? And see if, see if I'm still mad, by the way, when I wrote this. This was, this was a, a day or two after I drove the car, but you can, just, just listen to the wording of the question with your eyes closed and see if I'm still mad.

• 48:55Matt Farah?

  Has Brabus gotten permission from Aston Martin to put the 77 badge on the rear decklid of the car? Aston Martin is notoriously litigious and famously sold a car called the 177 with only 77 examples produced the same number of planned Botos. How did you get Aston Martin to sign off on that, if you asked at all? Which is a pretty dickishly worded question, but I already knew the answer. And here's the non-answer I got. The 77 badge on the rear decklid of the Boto is a direct reference to the founding of Brabus in 1977 and to the company's roots in Germany's Ruhr region.

• 49:37Matt Farah?

  Its inverted design is inspired by the distinctive silhouette of the region's historic coal mining headframes, creating a visual connection to Brabus' heritage and place of origin. One of the...the second 7 is spun around.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:52Matt Farah?

  So it looks like a trellis.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks like they're opposing each other.

• 49:57Matt Farah?

  So, anyway, that's the non-answer. Good duck.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Well, and I don't know, is it a thing where...well, I guess you can copyright a number because Peugeot sued Porsche for the 901, right?

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  That was their...Porsche was gonna name their coupe the 901 and then, I think it was Peugeot was like...

• 50:14Matt Farah?

  They already had it.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  No, you cannot...these numbers are...so...

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  So, anyway.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Find out soon in a press release near you.

• 50:24Matt Farah?

  So, I was clearly still annoyed when I asked that question, but I already knew I already knew I was gonna get a non-answer.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  It's a valid question to ask, though, because it's not Chevy putting a 77 on it, like, well, they don't care.

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  It's...they're borrowing and Aston...they're buying Aston Martins, reskining them, putting in a lot of other parts, of course, but then also putting a number on there which was a model. So, it's like, if, you know, if they were getting a donor car, it was a Mustang, and they changed all the body panels and everything, but on the back it was called, like, the pony or something.

• 50:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you'd be like, um, did you ask about that?

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Or it would be called SVT.

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  And they'd go, no, no, no, that stands for, you know...

• 51:02Matt Farah?

  Steven Van Thomas.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 51:05Matt Farah?

  Okay, sure, yeah. So, that's it. That's the Boto. It's a very good-looking car. There are a few questions left to be answered by it, but, you know, if you've got a 1,003, you know, there's a GT for you. It does have a trunk, actually, in case you were wondering by looking at the back.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  It does, it's kind of small. Oh, because I sent the luggage photo.

• 51:32Matt Farah?

  There's the...kind of a nice bag, if you ask me, actually.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Royal Highnesses matched luggage, but the trunk is there but was surprisingly small considering how long that tail is.

• 51:41Matt Farah?

  The trunk will hold two of those bags. That's the size of the two, of the trunk.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  And for people listening, that's...

• 51:47Matt Farah?

  Standard duffel.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  It's less round, it's narrower, isn't it? It's like two beach bags.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  It's like a big Birkin or a medium duffel.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All right, well, that's our show. That's our coverage of the Brabus.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  That will probably conclude our coverage of Brabus forever.

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Maybe, maybe.