The Murder of Bianca Rudolph: Kafue National Park

In October 2016, Bianca Rudolph was killed while on a hunting trip with her husband Larry in Kafue National Park. Initially reported as an accidental firearm discharge, her death raised suspicions amongst family and friends who believed her husband had much more to hide than met the eye. For a full list of our sources, visit npadpodcast.com/episodes For the latest NPAD updates, group travel details, merch and more, follow us on npadpodcast.com and our socials: Instagram: @‌nationalparkafterdarkTikTok: @‌nationalparkafterdark Support the show by becoming an Outsider and receive ad free listening, bonus content and more on Patreon or Apple Podcasts. Want to see our faces? Catch full episodes on our YouTube Page! Thank you to this week’s partners! IQBAR: Text PARK to 64000 to get 20% off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message anddata rates may apply. Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first month’s subscription and freeshipping when you visit Nutrafol dot com and enter promo code NPADButcherBox: New listeners can get their choice between chicken breast or top sirloin for a year OR ground beef for life, PLUS $20 off when you go to ButcherBox.com/npadBlueland: Celebrate Earth Month and get up to 30% off at Blueland dot com slash NPAD. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:11Danielle LaRock?

  Beth, I don't believe you.

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• 1:31Danielle LaRock?

  Kafue National Park in Zambia is one of Africa's oldest and largest national parks. At more than twice the size of Yellowstone, it is home to over 500 species of birds that fly the skies, thousands of elephants and hippos who wade through waterways, carefully avoiding Nile crocodiles that lurk beneath the surface. Hyenas, cheetahs, and leopards prowl through thickets, hunting 22 species of antelope, while roaming prides of lions lounge in the shade of miambo trees. It is the image that comes to mind when you think of African wildlife, at least as it's shown on Animal Planet. But not everyone who visits comes to shoot documentaries. Surrounding the park on all sides are game management areas,

• 2:15Danielle LaRock?

  places where the government and local outfitters can charge a premium to trophy hunters. Guides accompany wealthy hunters on multi-day journeys to remote camps. They place bait, hide behind a blind, and wait for their prey to appear. Each year, thousands of trophies from Zambia are exported around the world, and hunting lobbyists argue that this funding goes directly back to conservation efforts. But this is not a story about trophy hunting, not really. This is the story of how on October 11th, 2016, at a trophy hunting camp at Kafue National Park, a shotgun went off and the victim was not an animal. Welcome to National Park After Dark.

• 3:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.

• 3:18Danielle LaRock?

  And I'm Danielle.

• 3:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  Happy Earth Week. Happy Earth Week. You already brought up Nile Crocodiles, which is exciting.

• 3:25Danielle LaRock?

  That's, oh my, that's not the first time they're gonna come up. I know. Yep.

• 3:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  What a gift.

• 3:31Danielle LaRock?

  What, truly. Happy Earth Day.

• 3:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  Happy Earth Day.

• 3:35Danielle LaRock?

  I should say.

• 3:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, it's the 22nd this year, so big week for everybody to get out there and to love the planet. Go pick up some trash or whatever you do. There's lots of park festivities going on for Earth Day if you have the time or if you don't have the time and you just see something.

• 3:52Danielle LaRock?

  My little street area, like the street that I'm on is kind of on a main road, so it's always completely littered with trash. And it's so upsetting because it feels like Maine. Let's clean it up. Let's get it together a little bit. We're supposed to be green and lovely and nice. And every once in a while, I'll go and clean this stretch of road like by my driveway. But because it is on such a main road, I get scared because there's not much way in like places for me to stand off the side of the road.

• 4:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like it's a little bit dangerous. Yeah.

• 4:29Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it's a little sketchy, but yeah, it's a shame.

• 4:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's a good point, though, that you're talking about cleaning up your own little corner of the world. I think a lot of times when we think of Earth Day or cleanup, we immediately go to conserve parks, which is obviously needed, but also cleaning up your own little neck of the woods.

• 4:50Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, I think it got instilled in me. I did it growing up. My mom and my stepdad, I remember doing it on our little street, but then when I worked at the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center, there was, we had the like Adopt a Road program. You know, you'll see those plaques and it's like this road or stretch of road is sponsored by whatever and it'll be like a business or an organization. We sponsored the road leading up to the Wolf Center. So every couple of weeks, we would go out and make sure that there was no trash on the side of the road leading up to the center. So anyway, yeah, go pick up some trash.

• 5:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. If you guys are in the mood for some type of conservation episode that kind of links Earth Day, I did one a while ago about Rachel Carlson, Rachel Carlson, Rachel Carson in Maine. Her store, she has a park there, but I titled it DDT So Safe You Can Eat It. And we talk about conservation and what happens when you pollute the planet.

• 5:50Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, last year, this time last year, I would have thought. Well, this episode today has nothing to do about conservation. It's a true crime episode. If my intro did not allude to that clearly already. So I didn't plan this well, but it's a very interesting story and one that you can watch play out on Hulu if you want. There's a docu-series about it. It's three parts, super entertaining. There are some really interesting characters that are interviewed for this docu-series that make it really not funny because it's not funny at all. But yeah, so if you want to watch that, I'll link it in the show notes, but it is called Trophy Wife is the title.

• 6:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  I've never heard of it.

• 6:35Danielle LaRock?

  That does not shock me.

• 6:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Shocker. I have not heard of something, but.

• 6:41Danielle LaRock?

  I do have to say before we move on though, I owe you a little bit of an apology.

• 6:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Thank you. I agree. And it's because the Diet Love Pass, other people don't know it. And I was right. I'm not the only person.

• 6:56Danielle LaRock?

  How did you know I was gonna say?

• 6:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm sorry. I apologize. I interrupted your apology.

• 7:00Danielle LaRock?

  I could have been apologizing about anything else.

• 7:04Danielle LaRock?

  But you're right. That's what it is about.

• 7:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. So I don't even have to say I'm sorry.

• 7:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  I wasn't the only one who didn't know about that.

• 7:09Danielle LaRock?

  I was shocked. People like all over Patreon in our comments, everything. People are like, you're not alone, Cassie.

• 7:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. Thank you, everyone. I appreciate you. Yeah. If, uh, if you're not on our Patreon or subscriber channel, Danielle covered the Diet Love Pass, which has been highly requested for a long time. And Danielle had been holding off because she knows it so well. Um, cause she's heard it a lot on different podcasts, because it is very widely covered. But I had never heard it. And in the episode, we kind of talk about that a little bit. And I'm not alone.

• 7:41Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. I didn't shame you, but I was hard on you. And I apologize. Anyway, onto another story that you have.

• 7:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Apology accepted.

• 7:51Danielle LaRock?

  You have never heard of.

• 7:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes.

• 7:53Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 7:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  My favorite kind.

• 7:55Danielle LaRock?

  The tension in the courtroom was so thick, you could cut it like a knife. It was summer in Denver, stifling on its own. But as Julian Rudolph and his sister, Ana Bianca, sat in their seats, eyes glued to their father Larry, sitting just in front of them, their discomfort grew. The man they knew their entire lives to be kind and good natured was being accused of something horrific, a crime they couldn't possibly fathom. Julian and his sister grew up with loving parents in a traditional East Coast suburban home. They had a peaceful life, were comforted by both their mother's warm encouragement and their father's enthusiastic support, no matter what. Their mother worked hard, running a household and supporting her husband's practice.

• 8:38Danielle LaRock?

  Julian and Ana Bianca witnessed a lot of love growing up, a complete departure from what they were now confronted with. Just weeks prior, they had submitted sworn affidavits to the court, expressing their full support for their father, writing, "We know him better than anyone else, and we know that he is innocent." However, as the trial went on, the evidence and testimony were becoming too difficult to ignore. And they had to reckon with the painful reality that maybe, just maybe, their dad killed their mom after all. Phew, oof. Alright.

• 9:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oof, okay. This is already a heavy episode.

• 9:16Danielle LaRock?

  So, let's rewind a little bit, and get to know the main characters of this story. Mainly Lawrence Rudolph, who we will refer to for the entirety of this episode as Larry. That was his nickname and how he is referred to in the docu-series. He first laid eyes on Bianca Finanzio in the college cafeteria at the University of Pittsburgh. Her shock of red hair and piercing green eyes were probably the first things about her to grab his attention, but her warm smile, big heart, and open book personality made him want to stay. When Bianca met Larry, she was charmed by the smooth-talking, tall, dark-eyed kid in dental school, and they hit it off pretty much right away.

• 9:59Danielle LaRock?

  In September of 1982, they got married, and soon after had two kids, a son named Julian in 1990, followed shortly thereafter by a daughter named Ana Bianca. Friends of the Rudolphs repeatedly stated how Larry had a gift to win people over. His ability to make a person feel seen, heard, and valued was instrumental in his personal and his professional life. Shortly after graduation, Larry soon became co-owner of a very successful dental practice in Pittsburgh, and as a result, the Rudolphs were doing very well. They had a pretty nice home and lived very comfortably. Dentists have the ability to make big money, and compared to other medical professions, they're in charge of their own schedule,

• 10:42Danielle LaRock?

  which meant that the Rudolphs had the time and means to pursue Larry's biggest passion, which was big game hunting. In between their life in a middle-class suburb, the Rudolphs would fly to Africa fairly often, hunting, among other things, zebra, goats, impala, and lion. Larry had been hunting since he was a little kid. His animal trophy collection at home numbered over 400 individual species.

• 11:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ew.

• 11:10Danielle LaRock?

  And I am talking like, think of an animal, any animal, and he has probably killed it.

• 11:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ew.

• 11:18Danielle LaRock?

  The documentary is

• 11:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  I hate that already.

• 11:21Danielle LaRock?

  The documentary is really well done, but the entire thing in each episode of the three episodes has a lot of pictures of him and his family hunting big game and just like those iconic pictures of like a huge animal dead and then them like standing proudly next to it with a rifle. And I'm talking like bears, lions, leopards, rams.

• 11:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  What is the point? I just don't get the point of that. And I, I'm not against hunting. I think that there's something that is special about having a relationship with your food. Uh, if you're doing it in a sustainable way and you're not contributing to the big farming issues that we have, especially in the United States. But trophy hunting is a whole different, you're literally traveling across the world, spending thousands of dollars to kill something that is just trying to live their life far away from you. And then you're shipping it home to stick on your wall, a lion. It's just.

• 12:24Danielle LaRock?

  I, I agree.

• 12:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  The eye rolls.

• 12:27Danielle LaRock?

  I know. I agree with you. Trophy hunting is something that is one of the biggest red flags for me personally. I don't understand it. I can't get behind it.

• 12:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  Have you ever met someone who?

• 12:41Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Does trophy hunting?

• 12:42Danielle LaRock?

  Especially when I lived in Colorado and especially when I worked at the Colorado Parks and Wildlife. We would give like permits to people who would, you know, out of state permits. They would give out a certain number every year, especially for, oh, what were they? Mountain goats or something that were like, they only gave out a cup, a handful every year. And it's like this highly coveted tag. And people would spend like thousands of dollars and enter. I mean, you could submit for a permit your whole life and never get one. So to, to earn one was a big win for a lot of people. And I know that's. Kind of the case with other species in other parts of our country.

• 13:27Danielle LaRock?

  But yeah, it's a different conversation when we're talking about African wildlife, especially when it's like a lion. It's like, okay, you're not going to eat that.

• 13:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  And Well, and we don't even live there.

• 13:40Danielle LaRock?

  I know. And I love, okay, I'm going to just ask you with kindness to hold this conversation because I am doing an episode dedicated to this very soon about Cecil the lion.

• 13:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay, but just know that I will be rolling my eyes a lot.

• 13:58Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, and that's your journey.

• 14:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't like him already.

• 14:03Danielle LaRock?

  You're gonna

• 14:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  He did it. He's guilty.

• 14:05Danielle LaRock?

  You're gonna hate this guy.

• 14:08Danielle LaRock?

  But yeah, okay, so yes, I do want to have this conversation at length in a different episode that I am currently working on. That will come out later. Well, that being said, Larry wasn't the only one who was a trophy hunter in the family because Bianca likely at first as an effort to kind of like spend time with her husband and bond or spend quality time with him, started to go along for the ride, eventually becoming a very capable and skilled hunter in her own right throughout these family bonding trips.

• 14:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  And that's great if you're hunting to feed your family, but you're hunting

• 14:46Danielle LaRock?

  They are not.

• 14:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  That are on the brink of extinction. So Bianca, why? It's different when it's a, when it's a fellow woman doing it.

• 14:55Danielle LaRock?

  Well, I just had to say that she also partook.

• 14:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 14:59Danielle LaRock?

  And of course, like I said, these were also at times family trips. A lot of them, they did just as a couple, but they did bring their kids along from time to time, especially when they were young. And Julian in particular has really fond memories of those trips, spending time in quiet, peaceful and remote places around the world. Their friends back home admired the life that Larry and Bianca had built, developing a reputation as successful professionals. They had a loving family and they were these like big prominent, big game hunters that were world travelers.

• 15:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Imagine going to their Christmas party and you don't know, and you're just like a new employee. And like, yeah, come. Come to our Christmas party and you go in and they feel totally normal, like a normal family this whole time. They're at the dentist's office, you meet their kids, they do sports, all this stuff. And you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go to their Christmas party. And you walk in their house and there's just dead animals everywhere.

• 15:53Danielle LaRock?

  And he did display them prominently throughout their

• 15:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's something out of a nightmare. I would walk into that Christmas party and

• 16:02Danielle LaRock?

  It's the Ace Ventura scene, the classic Ace Ventura scene, when he walks into the trophy room and he's just aghast.

• 16:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  I thought you, I thought there would be cookies on the table and everyone would be having like a nice time singing Christmas carols, but we're looking at dead animals everywhere. Sorry, I'm just envisioning.

• 16:22Danielle LaRock?

  I know, I'm trying to like steer you away from this, even though it is upsetting. But in 2006, on one of these hunting trips, Larry had an accident. As he later told friends, he was fishing alone on the Kafue River in Zambia when he felt a tug on his line. Reeling in his catch and bending down to grab the fish, suddenly, a crocodile struck. It shot out of the water, bit down on his hand that was reaching for the fish, and launched into a death roll. The croc severed the tip of his thumb before he managed to fight his way free. Seems pretty

• 16:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  This feels like the scene out of Happy Gilmore, the golfer who's missing his hand, and he has the wooden hand in Happy Gilmore.

• 17:06Danielle LaRock?

  Remember, I'm not a baby.

• 17:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  You don't get, and they just had a new one too. Yeah, he gets, I think it's by an alligator, not a crocodile, but he gets his hand bit off on the golf course from an alligator. And then he walks around and he has a wooden hand.

• 17:24Danielle LaRock?

  I don't, I'm scared to say this, because as, I like Adam Sandler as a person, especially as a fellow New Hampshireite. Didn't he grow up in Manchester?

• 17:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 17:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. So the town over. I just don't think, his sense of humor is not my sense of humor, which is not, which is your sense of humor, which I know isn't my sense of humor. It's okay. Don't get up and leave.

• 17:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 17:55Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 17:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  You don't say that.

• 17:59Danielle LaRock?

  I'll accept no Adam Sandler slander around here. It's okay. I like him. I just don't think he's that funny.

• 18:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Sounds like you don't.

• 18:06Danielle LaRock?

  I just don't think he's that funny. Okay. Oh, my God.

• 18:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's getting worse.

• 18:12Danielle LaRock?

  I have to speak my truth. But, okay, so back to this crocodile and this incident. It seems like a pretty amazing story, you know, like not many people are

• 18:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Survive a death roll.

• 18:25Danielle LaRock?

  By a crocodile and live to tell the tale, especially one that lives to tell the tale and only has minor injuries. Turns out his encounter with a gnarly injury to the tip of the thumb of his non-dominant hand was the only thing that happened to him.

• 18:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  He death rolled his thumb?

• 18:46Danielle LaRock?

  He was.

• 18:49Danielle LaRock?

  How am I supposed to get through this episode? I am trying. I'm fighting for my life right now.

• 18:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  Sorry.

• 18:54Danielle LaRock?

  With you.

• 18:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm in a mood tonight.

• 18:57Danielle LaRock?

  I know. I can tell. It's because this is, we usually don't record late at night. Late at night. It's 7:00 PM. But, yeah, it's like, you're like a gremlin. You turn at night.

• 19:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  I do.

• 19:10Danielle LaRock?

  Well, I'm going to send you this picture because you need to have a visual of this injury.

• 19:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, no.

• 19:16Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. He was fast to tell anyone and everyone about this amazing encounter he had, how lucky he was to have escaped with his life. His colleagues were happy that he had narrowly missed a tragic end, but were surprised when he claimed permanent disability for the injury, getting $30,000 tax-free each month for, quote, "nerve damage and numbness in his hand."

• 19:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Uh, he got paid $30,000 a month for a thumb injury?

• 19:45Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, because as a dentist, he's saying like, I have nerve damage.

• 19:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's true. I guess like if he's doing, if he can't use, their hands are, my, one of my best friends is a dentist and she always says that her hands are worth a lot of money.

• 20:01Danielle LaRock?

  Well, okay, it's his non-dominant hand. You've seen it's the it's this part of his thumb.

• 20:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  I will say that

• 20:10Danielle LaRock?

  Part.

• 20:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  That injury of his thumb is the injury is what I would picture if my thumb was death rolled by an alligator or a crocodile.

• 20:19Danielle LaRock?

  Did you get it?

• 20:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, it looks like he accidentally cut himself.

• 20:24Danielle LaRock?

  Can you imagine a Nile crocodile?

• 20:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  It literally kind of has like a slice.

• 20:30Danielle LaRock?

  And it launches out of the water, death rolls him, and he's like, I survived.

• 20:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ow.

• 20:38Danielle LaRock?

  Ouch. Okay.

• 20:42Danielle LaRock?

  I I was like, this is a serious episode, and this is the stupidest we've been in a long time.

• 20:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  I would give up my thumb for $30,000 a month like that.

• 20:51Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, stop defending him.

• 20:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm not defending him. I know he I know this is you're painting him in a good way, in a bad way.

• 21:00Danielle LaRock?

  Getting started. I'm not even one page through my notes.

• 21:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, continue then, Jesus.

• 21:06Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, so, sorry, I lost my place. Shit. All right, so he claims disability for his nerve damage and numbness in his hand. He's raking in 30 grand a month for that. And his colleagues were, you know, surprised by this because remember, he co-owns this practice. So he has other people he's in on this business with. So his coworkers were also surprised to learn that he had taken out multiple private insurance policies on himself, which paid a very pretty penny on top of the disability money. Their growing skepticism about Larry would soon prove to be well-founded.

• 21:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  He's just trying to retire early.

• 21:48Danielle LaRock?

  I need you to just pipe down for a second.

• 21:53Danielle LaRock?

  Just saying, he's strategic. It turns out that following filing for disability, Larry had been sneaking into the dentist's office after hours secretly seeing patients for cash. Not only was this violating the terms of his disability payments, but he was embezzling his partners, stealing money that should have been going to the entire practice. When his partners found out, they gave Larry a pretty clear choice. Basically, we are going to take you to criminal court over this, or you walk away from our practice altogether. We never want to see you again. So Larry decided to walk away. However, the audacity, within a month, he opened his own competing practice directly across the parking lot.

• 22:36Danielle LaRock?

  Wow, that's very petty. It was a ballsy. Yes, thank you. Ballsy move. Seemingly aimed at pissing off his old colleagues more than anything else, yet it seemed to pay off. Larry started running ads on local TV for his practice, which specialized in sedation dentistry. The idea behind this was that he, and he said this in the documentary too, like right after he got out of school, he was noticing that kind of the big hang up with people going to the dentist and wanting to go get dental care was they were afraid, like they were afraid of pain and discomfort. And it was just, they'd rather avoid it altogether than have to endure that.

• 23:20Danielle LaRock?

  So he essentially created this practice that would knock you out. He would put his patients under general anesthesia and do all of their dental work in one full swoop. So a cleaning, filling, root canal, whatever it was. And then when you'd wake up, it would be over. Yeah, he would literally sedate people. For the smallest things. That was his shtick. Yes, that was his whole shtick. That's what he advertised. What year is this? This is in the nineties. Okay, this feels like a nineties thing. Yeah, so, and that's what he advertised and it was actually a pretty. Big success.

• 23:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  I bet.

• 23:59Danielle LaRock?

  Customers started pouring in, as did staff. His new clinic was a raging success. Business was booming, but as time went on, his staff saw a very different Larry than the one on TV. According to some employees, no matter what problem a client came in with, Larry would order them to perform a root canal, the most expensive procedure they could charge for, and the patient wouldn't be awake to protest it. In order to get insurance to cover it-

• 24:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  So he wouldn't tell them beforehand they were getting a root canal?

• 24:28Danielle LaRock?

  Yes. In order to get insurance to cover it, they would grind down the edges of the teeth before taking an X-ray. One employee even called the office a root canal factory. I've never, something about me is, I thank my parents for this. When I was a kid, they got my teeth sealed. I've never had a cavity. I've never had any sort of dental problems my whole life. I had to look up what a root canal was. Like, I legit just didn't know. So to imagine that they're intentionally causing problems that don't even exist for people-

• 25:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  For money.

• 25:06Danielle LaRock?

  For money is nuts.

• 25:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  And root canals are really, I've never had one, but I hear that they're very painful.

• 25:13Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. It, they seem to be. So not only was that shady and clearly like not above board. When something didn't go Larry's way, he would absolutely lose it. Once he threw a small mirror so hard, it struck the wall. And another time, he threw a syringe directly at an employee. He would show up to work drinking coffee spiked with Jameson and cuss employees out over minor perceived slights. For example-

• 25:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  He's drinking on the job?

• 25:42Danielle LaRock?

  He's coming to work already drinking, yeah. And in the documentary, there was somebody talking about this and her experience with his temper and outbursts. And she was saying that in one of their staff meetings, one time, he thought he saw one of the girls roll his eyes, roll her eyes at something he said. And he blew up at her and was basically like, get the fuck out of here, you're fired, in front of everyone. So he's like flying off the handle at times. It was also an open secret in the office that he was quite the womanizer, having multiple affairs with staff members.

• 26:26Danielle LaRock?

  The documentary really, really leans into this, but I'm going to give you just one example here that really stuck out to me for a couple of reasons. There was a coworker, I believe a dental assistant, maybe, that reported that Larry would go to her apartment for sex. It seemed pretty clear it wasn't a full blown relationship. It was more of just like a hookup type of thing. But this woman, likely sensing something was amiss with Larry, pulled what I think is kind of a smart move. Like she was hooking up with him, but she probably felt that something was off. She, so one day she performed oral sex on Larry

• 27:06Danielle LaRock?

  and directly after went into her kitchen and spit the contents of her mouth into a plastic bag and put it into the freezer, seemingly to use as evidence against him, just in case something happened.

• 27:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Whoa, you have to have a really bad feeling about someone to do that.

• 27:24Danielle LaRock?

  Isn't that like the second I heard that? And it was kind of just like a passing thing in the documentary. They're like, oh yeah, somebody did that. Like what? That's kind of a big deal.

• 27:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's a huge deal. I've never once even considered anyone that I've been with, that I should try and stash their DNA somewhere in case they're caught up in some horrible crime.

• 27:46Danielle LaRock?

  Right. So anyway, like I just thought that was something that was a little glossed over. No, it doesn't.

• 27:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  So she just has this in her freezer for like years?

• 27:58Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know. I don't know what she did with it, but it just kind of goes to show that people were already clocking him, even the people that he was intimate with, to some degree.

• 28:14Danielle LaRock?

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• 30:44Danielle LaRock?

  While that and others like it seemed to be more casual, they weren't all that way. The most serious of his affairs was with an office manager named Lori Milliron. Lori was a single mom, recently divorced, when she started working as a hygienist in Larry's old office. When he left to start his own practice, she followed. Her kids say that she was a kind person and attentive parent, and her colleagues pointed out that physically Lori was the complete opposite of Larry's wife. Bianca was 5'4" with auburn hair, but Lori was tall and blonde. Whatever the reason, Larry pursued Lori for a year before they started a years-long affair. And not the kind of affair where you go to extreme lengths to avoid being seen together.

• 31:27Danielle LaRock?

  More like the "let's go to a Coldplay concert" type of thing. Larry and Lori traveled the world together: New Zealand, Paris, and of course, Africa. By one account, they spent 60 days traveling together each year between 2003 and 2008. Every single person in the office knew what was going on because Larry was practically flaunting it. Bianca, by contrast, was extremely dedicated to their marriage. News coverage about this story is very quick to point out that Bianca was a Catholic, citing faith-based reasons why Bianca didn't believe in divorce. But when she first caught wind of Larry's infidelity, a pattern that began in the 1990s, she did confront him and said that she was thinking about divorce.

• 32:12Danielle LaRock?

  She had heard the rumors and most likely detected changes in his behavior. Larry set out to woo her back, taking her out more, losing weight, spursing himself up, and admitting to friends that he had fucked up. Which sounds really great, until he kept going. As he described to friends what he feared might happen, he said he had to win Bianca back because, quote, "nobody is taking half of my money." Whatever her reasons, Bianca stayed with Larry then and denied the not so secret rumors about his affair with Lori. Larry, meanwhile, never stopped sleeping around. Friends said cheating was like hunting to him, something he started doing for sport that morphed into a power trip.

• 32:55Danielle LaRock?

  In the years Larry was jet setting around the world with Lori, he was also pursuing a Weatherby Award. This supposed Nobel Prize for trophy hunting required you to collect no less than 250 different species on six different continents. Larry, with his mistress at his side, collected 400. After winning the Weatherby Award, he campaigned for president of a pro hunting lobbying group called Safari Club International. He and Bianca had been involved with the SCI for 20 years, supporting local organizing efforts, hosting lunches, attending fundraisers. And at all these events, Larry would regale people with the story of fighting off the

• 33:37Danielle LaRock?

  crocodile that stole his thumb, which is like, also asterix, it's half his thumb, it's not even his whole thumb, it's the tip of his thumb.

• 33:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's not even the full tip, you can see his nail and stuff, it's like the middle between, he's like missing it.

• 33:52Danielle LaRock?

  It's like where the joint is.

• 33:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 33:55Danielle LaRock?

  Anyway, and I have to just say, again, the audacity and balls of him to do that, you are, this is something different than bragging to friends and family and coworkers about this incident with the crocodile, but now you're going to fellow Safari Club International members who are very well versed in wildlife in the outdoors and wildlife behaviors. And you're going to try and sell that story to people who know what crocodiles are capable of, like in the documentary.

• 34:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  People are gonna clock you for your lies, yeah.

• 34:32Danielle LaRock?

  What are you saying? Like, that just is, that, when I heard and read that he was doing that, I immediately was like, there's something wrong with this guy.

• 34:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  He's got a big ego.

• 34:45Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. So through him regaling everyone with these stories and others, you know, of his exploits around the world, because remember, he had to go to six different continents to kill. Over 250 species of animals to get this award. You know, he's telling all these stories and it's kind of boosting his reputation. People start to really know who he is and it kind of earns him this degree of status and reputation within this organization, all of which he parlayed into becoming the president of the club in 2009. His approach to leading SCI looked a lot like his playbook at the dentist office. He started filming ads. In the videos, which he often recorded in Africa, he'd discuss his lion hunting adventures and other tales that built himself up.

• 35:30Danielle LaRock?

  He put a premium on celebrity appearances and landed Sarah Palin for a speaking event. Some described this as a reflection of Larry's own political ambitions. At one point, he told people that he hoped to become a Fox News contributor. Each choice he made positioned himself as the face of the organization, which, as you might assume, began to backfire on SCI when his patterns of infidelity and violent outbursts emerged. During one fundraiser in Alaska, Larry brought Lori instead of Bianca, signing her in as his medical aide. He was accused of texting another woman for sex at a separate event and kissing her in a parking lot after the two had dinner. And in another incident, people heard Larry threaten to kill a club official and his

• 36:15Danielle LaRock?

  family during an argument. Eventually, enough was enough for SCI leadership. When the face of your organization is openly cheating on his wife and verbally assaulting others, he's gotta, he's gotta go.

• 36:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's a bad look.

• 36:30Danielle LaRock?

  In 2012, three years into his tenure, SCI opened an investigation into Larry's adultery and his expenses, forcing him to testify and defend himself. So SCI isn't just like, hey, scram, get out of here. They're like, hold on a minute, we're looking into your entire life.

• 36:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  So they're looking into his infidelity?

• 36:51Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, they're like, the SCI is a huge organization, like earning the title of president is like a big, big deal. It's not just like a little club. So I think that because he was such in like a prominent position. They really wanted to investigate his character and see what was going on.

• 37:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  But at this point, his wife is not involved in that. It's just this company.

• 37:15Danielle LaRock?

  What do you mean?

• 37:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  His wife. Like, his wife isn't involved in wanting the investigation?

• 37:20Danielle LaRock?

  No, if anything, so she comes to his defense, actually, in this investigation. So faced with each accusation, he firmly denied any wrongdoing. He said with a straight face that Lori, reminder, the dental hygienist Lori, traveled with him as his medical aide to help his heart condition. Like that, he's like, yeah, she has to be here for my heart. Like, oh, your mistress that you're, anyway.

• 37:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  That has no training in cardiovascular health outside of preliminary stuff you need as a dental assistant? Okay.

• 37:54Danielle LaRock?

  Bianca also took the stand to defend her husband. All this time, she had been helping plan and run events for him and SCI. And during the deposition, she fervently denied that he was having an affair. She accused the Safari Club of trying to oust her husband based on a kiss in a parking lot. And she rebuked her portrayal and rumors around the group as Larry's tortured wife, saying, quote, "I was not a long-suffering wife. I have never been a long-suffering wife. My husband and I have been married for thirty-some years, happily married." Friends said that Bianca was hurt when she heard the whispers about Larry's affair with Lori. She found it devastating to have to defend her relationship to the Safari Club and to her friends.

• 38:38Danielle LaRock?

  But ultimately, she chose once again to stand by her husband. Despite her defense, the damage was done. Larry resigned as president of SCI. And in a unprecedented move, the club erased his name from the record books and revoked his Weatherby Award.

• 38:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Whoa, they meant business.

• 38:56Danielle LaRock?

  They did. With his political ambitions extinguished, Larry returned to his dental practice. His daughter, Anna Bianca, was following in his footsteps and joined the practice after earning her own dental license in 2015. He and Bianca built a second home in Arizona. And now that their kids had grown up, they spent most of their time there. But around this time, Lori Milliron was growing restless. Larry was giving money to Lori to pay her rent and tuition for her daughter, but she was all alone back in Pennsylvania. She wanted what Bianca had, and she was tired of hiding. A coworker at the dental clinic recalled Lori coming over to help put some furniture

• 39:38Danielle LaRock?

  together one night and that Lori confided in her about the affair. She said the plan had been for Larry to take all of his money and run, leaving Bianca behind, but never did. Finally, when Lori had had enough of waiting, she gave Larry an ultimatum. You have one year to get rid of her. Bianca, who had forgiven Larry's transgressions countless times by this point, was also near her breaking point. She found a hair clip in her bed that was not hers and confronted Larry. He denied everything, but after Bianca presented him with emails between him and Lori, he promised to break off the affair once and for all.

• 40:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  In their own bed?

• 40:19Danielle LaRock?

  I know. And again, it's like, he's denying it and I can just imagine this type of conversation of like, no, that must be yours.

• 40:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, just the gaslighting that was happening to make her feel like she was overreacting or, or crazy or whatever it is. But to know that that's happening in your own bed.

• 40:42Danielle LaRock?

  I know. It's so beyond hurtful. I mean, especially after, this is now decades worth of time that is passed with-

• 40:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's your home, that's your place that you sleep with your husband, in your house with your children.

• 40:56Danielle LaRock?

  Bianca told friends that marriage was hard work and firmly believed that forgiveness and understanding were key to anything lasting long-term. They just needed to get back on track. Julian remembered that his parents were always happiest when they were on a hunting trip. So that fall in 2016, the couple flew to Kafue National Park. To Bianca, visiting Zambia again was a chance to reconcile and hopefully fix their marriage. Located in the center of western Zambia, Kafue is the oldest and largest of Zambia's national parks, coming in at 8,650 square miles, which I said before was about twice the size of Yellowstone National Park, but of course I have the Titanic conversion here.

• 41:41Danielle LaRock?

  Do you want to guess how many Titanic's like lined up on the ground? This would, how many Titanic's would fit in this area?

• 41:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  200.

• 41:51Danielle LaRock?

  Cassie, may I remind you, it's twice the size of Yellowstone National Park.

• 41:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 41:58Danielle LaRock?

  Just a gentle hint.

• 42:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  One thousand.

• 42:01Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, you're gonna have to really bump those numbers. You know, the Leo.

• 42:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  The Titanic was so big.

• 42:06Danielle LaRock?

  Those numbers up.

• 42:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  The Titanic was the biggest ship. Um, 10,000.

• 42:12Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, we're in the mid, 290 million.

• 42:17Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 42:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  What?

• 42:21Danielle LaRock?

  I know you're a bad test taker, but.

• 42:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  How big is this park again?

• 42:26Danielle LaRock?

  8,650 square miles.

• 42:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't know.

• 42:31Danielle LaRock?

  You think that's suspicious? I think a thousand is crazy to say.

• 42:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  I want to double check your math.

• 42:40Danielle LaRock?

  It's not my math. It's my.

• 42:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  How many Titanic's fit into how many?

• 42:47Danielle LaRock?

  8,650 square miles.

• 42:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  What do you say?

• 42:54Danielle LaRock?

  Approximately 290 million Titanic ships.

• 42:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  Mine says 739 million.

• 43:01Danielle LaRock?

  What?

• 43:04Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 43:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  Not the direction I thought this was going in checking your math. But that's, well, I can't even, I know this is supposed to give us a reference of how big this park is, but that didn't help me at all.

• 43:17Danielle LaRock?

  I'm more lost than ever. Well, founded in the 1920s and formally established as a national park in the 1950s, Kafue is one of the largest reserves in all of Africa. Despite its size, it actually remains lesser known and largely unexplored with vast tracts of its virgin bush still untouched. However, since 2022, the park has experienced an 85% increase in visitor numbers. So it's starting to get super popular in recent years. And I think that has to do a lot with, like I mentioned before, and of course, the whole reason why Larry and Bianca are there is that surrounding the park are game reserves where hunting.

• 44:01Danielle LaRock?

  is very popular and there's a ton of lodges that are being built around the park for that reason and for tourism reasons, but either way, a lot more visitors are coming to this part of Africa. Gotcha. By all accounts, their trip had a very good start. They had a hunting guide for the trip, a local man named Spencer, and he described Larry and Bianca as a happily married couple. They were laughing, kissing and hugging one another and dancing along to Tina Turner. Spencer honestly admired their relationship and never picked up on any tension between them. The Zambian government had lifted a ban on leopard hunting that year, and Bianca had always wanted to hunt one. Although, as the 10-day trip came to a close, she had

• 44:46Danielle LaRock?

  only bagged a zebra. When Larry proposed extending the trip, she declined because their nephew's wedding was happening the following weekend and she wanted to make sure to be home for that. And so, on the morning of October 11th, 2016, the Rudolphs were packing up camp to head to the airport, when all of the sudden, a gunshot rang out, and Bianca let out a scream. Spencer, the guide, was working nearby and immediately rushed into the hunting cabin to find Bianca dead on the ground with a shotgun wound to the heart. Larry was on the ground next to her, sobbing. Between tears, he claimed to Spencer that Bianca had died by suicide, that she had shot herself, and that he was going to drown himself in

• 45:29Danielle LaRock?

  the river to join her. But as Spencer calmed him down, his story started to change. "It must have been a tragic accident," he said. "The gun must have fired when she was packing her weapon away." Larry said that he had been in the shower when he heard the shot, and he had rushed out as soon as he heard it. But as Spencer recalled, it took him less than 15 seconds to rush into the cabin, and when he arrived, Larry was sitting on the floor with all of his clothes and shoes on, completely dry. He told another guide that he had been stuck on the toilet with the shits, essentially. He's like, I was tied up. I was having stomach problems when that happened.

• 46:10Danielle LaRock?

  Local authorities seemed a little skeptical of Larry, noticing that his tears dried fast, but ultimately accepted his version of events. The Zambian investigation ruled that Bianca's death was the result of an accidental firearm discharge. They didn't take fingerprints of the weapon or treat it like a crime scene at all, which let Larry move very quickly to have Bianca cremated. 11 hours after her death, he called the US Embassy. Apparently, Larry pressured authorities to speed through the procedure, which made the diplomat on the phone very uncomfortable. He was a former Marine and smelled something fishy, so he traveled to the funeral home to take photos of Bianca's wounds on a hunch, images that would become

• 46:54Danielle LaRock?

  very relevant when the FBI opened an investigation years later. But on October 14th, Bianca was cremated. Julian and Anna Bianca wouldn't learn about their mother's death until almost a week had passed, and some friends only learned that she had died when they received a funeral invitation in the mail.

• 47:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  What? That is, that's crazy to not find out, like to find out that someone died that way.

• 47:23Danielle LaRock?

  Especially a close friend.

• 47:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And your children not finding out for a full week.

• 47:29Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 47:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's not right.

• 47:30Danielle LaRock?

  Bianca was deeply missed and mourned by her friends. Her kids were inconsolable, in disbelief at what had happened. The loving, supportive, and remarkable person, their mother and best friend, was suddenly gone. The day after the funeral, Larry bought Lori a plane ticket to Arizona.

• 47:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Wow.

• 47:50Danielle LaRock?

  Within weeks, Lori moved into the Rudolph family mansion in Arizona, and the two started to live openly together. In the following years, they would build their own mansion in Arizona. Once again, fucking strangely, coincidentally, just like the dental practice thing, right down the block from the one that Larry built with Bianca.

• 48:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  How old are his kids at this point?

• 48:14Danielle LaRock?

  So hi- his kids were our, our age essentially, right now.

• 48:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  So they're not living in the home with them?

• 48:21Danielle LaRock?

  They are not. They're adults. They're living out on their own. Um, cause this is in 2016. So how old were we in 2016?

• 48:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, they're our age now?

• 48:30Danielle LaRock?

  Yes.

• 48:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 48:32Danielle LaRock?

  Julian was born in 90. Like me. Yeah.

• 48:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, 25, 26.

• 48:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. So they're not kid kids anymore, but, and it's so heartbreaking because in the documentary, which I'll, I'll talk about a little bit more about Julian at the end of this, but, um, he has gone on record. He's gone, he's done a bunch of different interviews about this, but Ana Bianca has not. The only thing that is in the documentary about her, like directly coming from her. And I don't know exactly where it was sourced, but it's audio of her and she's absolutely devastated. You can hear it in her voice, like between like these agonal cries, like what am I gonna do?

• 49:18Danielle LaRock?

  I, I'm never gonna be the same. Like, how could this have happened? Like, I can't believe that. You know, like she's just absolutely shattered about this. And then like immediately after, you know, within weeks.

• 49:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  He's with his mistress. He lives together the day after his wife's funeral. He goes on a trip with his mistress.

• 49:40Danielle LaRock?

  Well, no, he flies his mistress to Arizona to their, his home.

• 49:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Danielle LaRock?

  Now.

• 49:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  To move in and.

• 49:46Danielle LaRock?

  And then start building the other home. Yeah. They lied to acquaintances and said that they had just met and were starting a new relationship. And while they waited for their new house to be built, they spent time in a vacation home in Cabo. And we all, here's my little thing I always include in every single, every single episode that has to do with this. We all grieve differently. Let's just hold space for that for a second. But I'm just saying, it certainly did not seem like Larry was too sad that Bianca had just passed away. And not only that, but in such a tragic way.

• 50:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:25Danielle LaRock?

  And that was far from the only red flag in the eyes of his coworkers and Bianca's friends. Bianca was a devout Catholic, like I mentioned, who close friends said she would have never wished to be cremated in the first place, not without a big service beforehand. Larry's life insurance agent also recalled that he was extremely anxious to finalize some additional life insurance policies on Bianca a short time before she died. For a lot of people, something about this whole situation just was not sitting right, and they reported the case to the FBI. As the FBI decided whether or not to pursue the case, they learned everything that we have talked about so far. Larry's affair with Lori Milliron and her ultimatum, Larry's scandal ridden past, and

• 51:09Danielle LaRock?

  how he had told friends he wasn't letting anyone take half of his money. And they followed up on the red flags that people called in, like the life insurance policy. Turns out Larry had taken out nine different life insurance policies on Bianca from seven different insurance companies for a total of $4.8 million. So with that in mind-

• 51:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't understand how people are allowed to take insurance policies out on somebody else. Shouldn't that be under your-

• 51:40Danielle LaRock?

  Well, we're gonna get into it also a little bit, and Bianca was present and signed paperwork for at least some of these policies. And in the documentary, they do interview one of the guys who was, I forget their title, but he was Larry's like life insurance guy. Like, he organized the paperwork and did all that and stuff. But he goes on record and he's like, "Yeah, I did that. Bianca was there. You know, she was present and willing and able and of sound mind to do this and sign those policies and stuff." But I was also very unaware that he had multiple life insurance policies. Like, he thought that this was just one and it was

• 52:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  Singular.

• 52:22Danielle LaRock?

  A singular thing. He was very unaware that there were multiple others. So needless to say, with this, at least this preliminary information, the FBI opened a case into the murder of Bianca Rudolph. They dove into Larry's history with insurance fraud. And before he cheated his disability insurance claim, he seems to have lied about the crocodile incident altogether. Here we go.

• 52:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  Did they find out what, what really happened?

• 52:49Danielle LaRock?

  So.

• 52:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Tell us what happened. What is that thumb picture about?

• 52:55Danielle LaRock?

  So the picture of his dingly thumb had telltale signs of gunpowder on his finger, like he had blown the tip of his thumb off to cash in on the life insurance that he had taken out. And it very clearly does look like a self-inflicted wound. Like you said, it looked like, almost like he cut himself or

• 53:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 53:13Danielle LaRock?

  It got caught up in something. There's no way in hell. An, a crocodile.

• 53:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  A croc, a Nile crocodile. Also, those things are massive. And if you guys remember the episode I did about, it was Henry Coatsy, who was unfortunately a victim of a crocodile attack. That thing took him, him and his whole boat underwater.

• 53:37Danielle LaRock?

  In a split second.

• 53:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  In a split second, not a thumb.

• 53:41Danielle LaRock?

  Never to be seen again.

• 53:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 53:43Danielle LaRock?

  Also.

• 53:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Nothing of his was ever to be seen again. I mean, his kayak stayed, but he was gone. And there was nothing left. And that is what Nile crocodiles are capable of. So to be in a death roll with your thumb with a Nile is just a wild tale to tell.

• 54:01Danielle LaRock?

  It's like, it's so dumb. I just like, of all the lies to tell, get a better lie. Be better at lying. Like, that is this

• 54:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  I joke about things like that where I'm like, if you get an injury, like, and there's not a cool story, make one up, make it cool. And I've joked about that, but he really took that to the next level.

• 54:25Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, he literally just shot his own thumb off and to do this whole insurance fraud thing.

• 54:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  To make $30,000 a month. I get it.

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• 57:21Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, well, agents traveled to Zambia and learned about Larry, the whole like getting out of the shower, fully clothed to the scene of the crime type of situation. Because remember, there's all this conflicting reports on that. So they talked with a US diplomat who Larry pressured to speed up Bianca's cremation and examined the photos he took of Bianca's wounds. Sure enough, all of this did not match any part of Larry's story. First was the version where Bianca did it on purpose. So as a reminder, she is 5'4". You can imagine, I mean, similar to us and our wingspan and how long our arms are. And these shotguns, these rifles that they're using for hunting are massive.

• 58:04Danielle LaRock?

  So he is claiming that she took this shotgun, turned it on herself, and reached and pulled the trigger and shot herself in the heart. But the investigators are like, this does not add up. In fact, they tested out this theory by having over 50 people, 50 women of similar height and body composition recreate the scene. Only one person was able to do it. And they are surmising or guessing that she was able to because she was a lifetime gymnast and had really flexible shoulders and was able to reach around and grab it. As for it being an accident, because remember at first he's like, she killed herself.

• 58:45Danielle LaRock?

  And then he was like, oh, it must have been an accident when she was packing away the weapon. So they're thinking about that theory. And they again, test that out. And they could not get the gun to fire when dropped or while zipping it into a carrying case. Like essentially they were trying to get it to go accidentally discharge and they couldn't recreate that.

• 59:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  And I know that accidents happen, of course, with guns, but she, as you mentioned at the beginning of this episode, is a very experienced person with with weapons and hunting at this point. So the fact that it would accidentally go off in such a manner like that feels really unrealistic.

• 59:26Danielle LaRock?

  Well, there's also the point where Spencer comes back into the picture, the guide who had spent the 10 days with them.

• 59:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ran in 15 seconds later.

• 59:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yep. So it was protocol. Every night after they were done hunting for the day, they would unload and clean the guns. So that gun was not loaded.

• 59:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  When he last saw it.

• 59:49Danielle LaRock?

  When he last saw it. And when she was, because they hadn't used it between the night before and when they were packing it up. So it would have been unloaded because he witnessed her unloading it and cleaning it the night prior. Also, most damning of all, whether Bianca did it on purpose or by accident, regardless of that, the gun would have had to have been close to her. Meaning the shotgun pellets would have had no time to spread out. Instead of a small wound though, the hole in her chest was spread out. In the eyes of ballistics experts, the shotgun must have been at least two to three feet away from her to create the type of wound to the chest that Bianca sustained.

• 1:00:32Danielle LaRock?

  So essentially it would have been super small if it was pinned up right against her chest. If she had leaned over while it went off or something, or she put it directly to her chest and pulled the trigger herself. It would have created a very, very small wound. But it was large, meaning that the weapon was at least three feet away from her when it was shot.

• 1:00:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  No wonder why he wanted her cremated.

• 1:00:58Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. As their investigation is moving forward, as for his affair, they found out that Lori was assisting Larry in fraud at his dental practice, accepting large cash payments from clients and depositing that money into their own accounts without reporting it to the IRS. These large cash deposits helped fund their lavish lifestyle. Larry was building a two-story trophy room for his trophy collection atop his new house with Lori, and things were apparently going well enough that his political ambitions were back on the table. At a political fundraiser, he announced his interest in running for Congress. However, as the FBI-

• 1:01:38Danielle LaRock?

  What? Yeah. What is wrong with this person? However, as the FBI investigation stretched from months to years, the pair became aware that the FBI was looking into them. That made Lori nervous and Larry irritable. And one night, over dinner at a steakhouse, a restaurant at which they were regulars at, had a normal spot at the bar, like, people knew them, it was kind of their spot to go. The two got into a very heated argument. And the bartender working that night said that there was a song on the loudspeaker, you know, playing throughout the restaurant. And you know those awkward moments of when you're in a restaurant and you're talking really loud over

• 1:02:21Danielle LaRock?

  the sound of everyone else, and then also the music, and then the music stops and you're like, literally yelling. You're like, oh, God, you know? So it was in one of those moments, there was like a lull between the songs, that Larry shouted, while angrily pointing a finger in Lori's face, "I killed my fucking wife for you." After five years of gathering evidence, the FBI arrested Larry for the murder of Bianca Rudolph and for committing mail fraud to claim nearly $5 million in life insurance. The following year, Lori would also be arrested for lying on the witness stand, charged as an accessory to murder for hiding Larry's actions. When Larry's case went to trial, his lawyers were prepared to rebuke every accusation.

• 1:03:07Danielle LaRock?

  They argued that the Zambian officials, who were the only investigators at the scene of the crime, ruled the death an accident, and everything since has been pure conjecture. To the accusation of insurance fraud, they pointed out that Bianca personally signed each and every policy and went through countless health screenings because she wanted to provide for her kids. They said the money from the policies went into a survivor's trust, not into Larry's pockets, and each of the seven insurance agencies reviewed the accidental death claims and chose to pay them. The story of Lori giving Larry an ultimatum to get rid of Bianca that the coworker reported as being like, hey, this is a big red flag, they claimed that that was hearsay.

• 1:03:48Danielle LaRock?

  In the testimony from the employee who Lori confessed to, admittedly, her story did change over time. Lori's ultimatum didn't appear at all in the first interviews she did with law enforcement, and in later ones, the FBI appeared to steer her towards that conclusion. So they're kind of like, this, we can't take this into account. Many people argued that Bianca was a devout Catholic who would have never wished to be cremated, but the lawyers presented her signed will, which stated she did, which was true. That was her wish. Finally, the FBI brought in the bartender who overheard Larry shout, "I killed my fucking wife for you." The lawyers argued the bartender didn't hear the full sentence.

• 1:04:32Danielle LaRock?

  Allegedly, Larry said- What else could you put at the beginning or end of that sentence? There's only three words in the beginning that he was like, oh, you didn't hear this critical part. And so they claimed that Larry said, "The FBI says, I killed my fucking wife for you." Right. Because allegedly, they were discussing the ongoing investigation, not confessing to murder in a crowded steakhouse restaurant. They're like, why would he ever do that? Like, why would he shout that? It's like, I don't know, maybe he's volatile and has a history of throwing temper tantrums and being irrational. I don't know.

• 1:05:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Why would you kill your wife?

• 1:05:14Danielle LaRock?

  For, well, yeah. So for a while, in the eyes of the jury, Larry's lawyers were doing their job well and casting doubts over the FBI's arguments. They needed to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that Larry was guilty and Larry's lawyers had successfully challenged each of their arguments. They drilled into the jury that none of Larry's faults can be seen as evidence that he's a murderer. Essentially, they're like, yeah, he's shitty, but he, he's not a murderer.

• 1:05:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  No.

• 1:05:43Danielle LaRock?

  But then, but then Larry himself, in the flesh, took the stand because they always do.

• 1:05:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  Cause he thinks he can rule the world and no one can touch him, but then you're gonna let your personality out.

• 1:05:59Danielle LaRock?

  And people are gonna see right through that shit, and that's exactly what happened. In front of the courtroom, he argued that he and Bianca had an open marriage, that Bianca had cheated on him in their relationship and that they had come to this agreement. That like, hey, you're cheating, I'm cheating, let's just have an open relationship.

• 1:06:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Right.

• 1:06:21Danielle LaRock?

  An attempt to humanize himself to the jury, but most spotted it as an obvious lie. Then he started to sob. He would break down, but jurors noticed it took a lot of effort to do so. One even wrote in their notes that he was crying, but there were no tears. And suddenly he would just stop out of nowhere and be completely fine.

• 1:06:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like you're faking it.

• 1:06:43Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. It was not the behavior of someone mourning their spouse, but of someone trying to manipulate the jury. Whatever goodwill his defense had earned was completely gone. After a three-week trial, Larry was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of his wife and a concurrent 20-year sentence for mail fraud. Lori Milliron was sentenced to 17 years for helping him cover it up.

• 1:07:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  Good.

• 1:07:08Danielle LaRock?

  And in the, uh, again, in the documentary, I mean, it's crazy, there's, I think there was two of the jurors that were interviewed for this. And they say they're like,

• 1:07:20Danielle LaRock?

  We were really close to being just letting him up because the defense was doing a really good job of casting doubt in their eyes and be like, hey, we weren't 100% convinced like we could see a world in which he didn't do it, you know, like maybe. And then they're like, as soon as he got on the stand, we saw, we're like, oh, never mind.

• 1:07:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  He did it.

• 1:07:41Danielle LaRock?

  He did it. Like, he completely ruined his entire case by.

• 1:07:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  I wonder if his lawyers told him not to go on the stand.

• 1:07:48Danielle LaRock?

  No, I think his lawyers encouraged it because his lawyer is interviewed as well in the, in the documentary.

• 1:07:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, and they encouraged. Interesting. I feel like it's usually the opposite where they're like, let us do our job.

• 1:07:59Danielle LaRock?

  They're like, please, no, God. Shut up. Just sit there and shut up and like, don't let us do our jobs. Yeah, it wasn't like that, which I also thought was interesting. In September of 2025, Larry's appeal for his case was denied, and he is in prison to this day. Although according to the FBI, this is the last thing they say in this documentary, which is crazy. He still receives $30,000 a month in disability benefits from the crocodile attack.

• 1:08:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  What? How?

• 1:08:29Danielle LaRock?

  When it's all said and done, the story made international news and was recently the subject, like I said, of the docu-series called Trophy Wife Murder on the Safari. It's on Hulu if you want to watch it. Maybe it sticks out because Larry was a dentist. Medical professionals are supposed to help people, which makes it all the more shocking when they cause harm. It's also tangled up in the topic of trophy hunting, a fraught topic with fierce opponents and defenders alike. And in Africa, trophy hunting is undeniably a big player in the world of land management. More land is set aside for trophy hunting on the continent than there is for national parks. Proponents argue that management protects

• 1:09:10Danielle LaRock?

  wildlife from poachers and protects habitats from developers, habitat for all native species, often far from accessible photo safari destinations. Detractors argue that it's a cruel practice that raises less money than photo safaris do for conservation while perpetuating a view that African people are reliant on rich Westerners. They also point to Walter Palmer, another infamous dentist, who killed Cecil the lion in 2015. He sparked international outrage after luring the iconic lion out of a national park to kill it. And like I said,

• 1:09:48Danielle LaRock?

  I will not be accepting comments on that right now because I promise I am covering that in its own episode and it is very, very similar vibes to the episode I covered in Yellowstone about Wolf 06 because she too was lured out of the park boundaries and killed and she was an iconic beloved wolf or animal that people traveled far and wide to come see. Same thing with Cecil. So anyway, that's coming. But I will say one other thing, just because it does tie into this about Palmer and Larry. So Palmer also happened to be a member of the Safari Club International, that group that Larry Rudolph was the president of briefly.

• 1:10:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:10:32Danielle LaRock?

  But surprise, surprise, they revoked his membership too. They're like,

• 1:10:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  Did they know each other?

• 1:10:38Danielle LaRock?

  Get out of here. I don't think they knew each other. Larry and Palmer, I don't think they knew each other.

• 1:10:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. Be like, that would be interesting.

• 1:10:44Danielle LaRock?

  They might have crossed paths earlier on. Yeah, because so Larry killed Bianca in 2016 and Palmer killed Cecil the lion in 2015. So they might have known each other. I don't know. Maybe I'll let you know. Maybe I'll look into it when I research.

• 1:11:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that would be interesting.

• 1:11:04Danielle LaRock?

  His story more. But ultimately, this was a story about a woman killed by her husband. Bianca would have been 67 years old this year, an age that she was robbed of, a mother who will never get to meet future grandkids, and a husband who took every opportunity to lie and cheat to build himself up. A man who believed himself invincible, but in the end got caught. More recently, Julian and Anna Bianca are seeking their inheritance, claiming they are lawfully entitled to life insurance proceeds. After Larry murdered Bianca, he kept the entire $14 million fortune that they had built together over 34 years, even though half of that fortune should have been the property of Bianca's estate and passed on to Julian and his sister.

• 1:11:50Danielle LaRock?

  When Larry was convicted, the Justice Department seized the bulk of his known remaining assets: two multimillion-dollar homes, luxury cars, and the $4.8 million still in bank accounts. But prosecutors have said in court filings that the children lack legal standing, instead saying that the insurance companies should be repaid. While Ana Bianca has chosen to stay away from the public eye and has declined giving statements, Julian has spoken out. In December of 2023, he appeared on Good Morning America to speak about the ensuing legal battle. He has gone on record to state after witnessing the trial, he believes the jury got it right. He believes that his father is guilty after

• 1:12:30Danielle LaRock?

  seeing the "horrifying" photos from the scene and hearing soul-crushing testimony. As for the submitted sworn affidavits that he and his sister submitted to the court expressing their full support for their father prior to the trial, Julian has since recanted his, stating, "Every day going into that courtroom, I saw something new that broke my heart. I can't stand by that original statement because that was before we saw the evidence in the trial." During the interview, he says, "It's a matter of right and wrong. I think we've been through enough. My mother put us as the beneficiaries on those insurance policies. She wanted us to receive those proceeds if something was to ever happen to her."

• 1:13:13Danielle LaRock?

  While the Justice Department sees it differently, several insurance companies were the ones defrauded out of millions of dollars, in their eyes. For Larry's part, for whatever it is worth, he has said he wants the money seized to go to his children. The legal battle has gone back and forth. It's stretched on for years and is still ongoing. Julian has stated how much he would like to move on with his life but is fighting through these last steps. As of 2023, he was engaged in hoping to elope with his fiance, foregoing a traditional wedding, in part because of what would be missing in the celebration. In his ABC interview, he closed by saying, "Nothing will ever bring my mother back. Nothing will ever bring my father back."

• 1:13:58Danielle LaRock?

  And that is the story of Larry Rudolph and Bianca Rudolph.

• 1:14:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  The last part you said is so heartbreaking because it's so true. Like their kids lost their mom and they also lost their dad and who they thought he was. And it sounds really complicated when it comes to the financial aspects of it. Because I do see the portion where they're like, well, we can't give you money. That was fraudulent. But at the same time, he had these huge estates with a ton of money that Bianca would have had rights to. So it feels like that they should have been paid a long time ago. And it's just figuring out maybe how much that truly is. But especially because their dad's wealth also came from fraud.

• 1:14:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm sure that that kind of makes things a little bit murky as well.

• 1:14:51Danielle LaRock?

  It's very complicated and I tried to filter through because there's a lot of different court documents available online. And there's a lot of reporting about this as well, especially back in 2023, when this was kind of all over the news again. And there's a lot of back and forth. And I didn't want to get too into the weeds with it because it is complicated. But essentially it's something that they're still fighting for and hoping to, to receive.

• 1:15:20Danielle LaRock?

  But we'll see. And yeah, it's a, I mean, the guy is obviously, you know, deeply disturbed and guilty of killing his wife. And yeah, I mean, I feel, like I said, the audio of Ana Bianca is just, it hit something in me when I heard it. It's just like, just hearing someone have the most devastating reaction to the most, most earth shattering news you can receive.

• 1:15:51Danielle LaRock?

  And then just being like, I not only that, but then the whole, I kind of really just like left Lori out of this for the most part, like, but she's a big part in the documentary. She's interviewed in jail.

• 1:16:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, really? She speaks about it?

• 1:16:08Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, she's in the entire thing and her, her daughter is interviewed and her daughter is like, my mom was a victim of Larry's too. Like she wasn't in on it. Her daughter stands up for her, for Lori and basically is like, she got the shit out of the stick. She shouldn't be in jail. Like she had no idea that Larry killed Bianca and would have never encouraged him to do that, you know, because I think for a little while, they also were painting her of like, you gotta get rid of her, like kill her. But I think if anything, she was like, you need to make it, you need to divorce her and like, I've been your mistress for almost a decade now, like shit or get off the pot type of thing. I don't think she was like, hey, you need to kill her. I don't think it was like a conspiracy thing.

• 1:16:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  I didn't get that vibe from the way you were telling the story that she wanted him to kill her, but I did get the vibe that after it had happened, that she probably knew about it.

• 1:17:05Danielle LaRock?

  I 100% believe she knew.

• 1:17:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:08Danielle LaRock?

  100%.

• 1:17:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  At least eventually, you know, or unless he gaslit her too, and like truly, truly said that it was an accident, but the fact that it was overheard in a bar where he said, I killed my wife for you.

• 1:17:26Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  That makes, and they were fighting about it. That just makes me feel different and how fast it moved, right? I don't know.

• 1:17:35Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know either. And I, I was a little hesitant to cover this one just because it is really fresh. Like these people are very much.

• 1:17:44Danielle LaRock?

  Alive and like, you know, Julian and Ana Bianca are trying to go on with their lives. And I'm sure like, this is clearly still very raw and rough. And this is people's real lives, you know, and they're real family members and things that they're dealing with. And so I, I was hesitant to do it, but because of the docu-series and all that, it's all in the news and stuff. I was like, okay, maybe.

• 1:18:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:12Danielle LaRock?

  But.

• 1:18:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, I hope this kind of, it sounds like it's relatively new that all of this attention is being brought back to this case. And I hope that this attention helps their, her kids in getting what they're looking for and.

• 1:18:27Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Settling this case. And I hope it forces whoever is involved with that to not, it feels like they've probably been dragging their feet on it for a while. And I hope that this attention that's bringing towards it can help them close it sooner. Because I'm sure going into all these courtrooms and proceedings to try and figure out this whole money situation, they just have to relive this over and over again. And I'm sure that that in, in its entirety is horrible as well.

• 1:18:59Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Well, do you have a palate cleanser?

• 1:19:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, I didn't know I would need one.

• 1:19:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Uh, here's my palate cleanser. Right before we got on this recording, I watched the moon, the launch for, for the mission to circumnavigate the moon or go around it and come back. And I think they're up there for like seven days and it was crazy to watch if other people were watching it. I was, I was so nervous. There were sounds coming from that thing. It was up in the air. There's fire shooting out the back of it. There's clouds of smoke. There's a narrator that was on there. It's like, they've reached 8,000 miles per hour. And I'm like, what the? What do you mean? Eight thousand miles per hour and then they go into the stratosphere

• 1:19:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  and they're gone and uh, couldn't be me, couldn't be me. I was, my hands were sweating just watching them. I hope they're okay and I wish them all of the success, but.

• 1:20:01Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. I don't know if that counts as a palate cleanser because now I'm anxious.

• 1:20:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:06Danielle LaRock?

  Anxious. I didn't watch it. I knew it was on because you told me, but I'm not, yeah, not really into that. Hmm. Do I have a palate cleanser?

• 1:20:18Danielle LaRock?

  I'm not sure. I'm not quite sure. We're just gonna have to leave it at that, I think.

• 1:20:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. Well, thanks everyone for, oh yeah, happy Earth Week.

• 1:20:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Palate cleanser.

• 1:20:29Danielle LaRock?

  Go pick up some trash.

• 1:20:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Earth.

• 1:20:31Danielle LaRock?

  Earth, we love it. Earth, it's great. Um, yeah, protect it. Do what you can. Pick up some trash on your uh, little corner of the world. Make it a better place and we'll see you next week. In the meantime, enjoy the view.

• 1:20:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  But watch your back.

• 1:20:47Danielle LaRock?

  Bye.

• 1:20:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  Bye.

• 1:20:51Danielle LaRock?

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