Encounters x276 - A Witch is Born: Paranormal Stories of Power, Premonition & Mystery

Some say witches are made. Others say they’re born. 🌙✨ In this chilling episode, we uncover listener stories of eerie premonitions, supernatural gifts, and witchy bloodlines that defy explanation. These spine-tingling tales will make you wonder: Is magic in the DNA? Stories include: A family who have clear and accurate visions of their unborn children. A playful ghost who haunts a family’s home and is devastated when they are forced to move. A listener with Matilda-like childhood abilities that kept her safe and opened the door to visits from deceased family members, including an emotional reunion with her mother. A terrifying premonition and real life exorcism experience AT SCHOOL. Whether it’s an eerie connection to the spirit world, an unbreakable bond with nature, or a gift that feels more like a curse—these stories prove that sometimes, a witch is born, not made. 🕯️ CONTENT WARNING: this episode contains stories about pregnancy loss and miscarriage. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sub. Sub. Witches. Very bitches. What did you just say? Very bitches.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls One Ghost.

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. Two girls, two baby witches.

• 2:15Corinne Vien?

  Two baby witches.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And one ghost. And many ghosts.

• 2:18Corinne Vien?

  And a community full of witches and ghosts.

• 2:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And all of you haunted ass bitches.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina picked the theme for this encounters episode. Encounters are episodes we do where we read emails that you guys send of your real life paranormal accounts.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 2:33Corinne Vien?

  And we have started categorizing them. So the theme for today is.

• 2:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A witch is born.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which actually this can encompass a lot of different things. I was going with like creepy kid, kids seeing ghosts, the beginning of your paranormal journey, the beginning of witches. Did witchcraft go in your family?

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  Good, because that's what I had assumed.

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's so many different versions.

• 2:57Corinne Vien?

  Because not one path is the same, which I think is one of the important things that we have learned when speaking to people that are way more experienced in practicing witchcraft and just tuning into their natural abilities. You have to source out what feels right.

• 3:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For you, yeah. And maybe that is following more of a strict traditional slash non-traditional, because witchcraft is non-traditional, form of witchcraft.

• 3:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But.

• 3:21Corinne Vien?

  For us, we're a little more eclectic.

• 3:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone on a YouTube video called themselves a chaos witch, and I loved that.

• 3:28Corinne Vien?

  I like that, yeah.

• 3:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Shall I begin?

• 3:30Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 3:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This I love because it's a familial power.

• 3:35Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, okay.

• 3:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But content warning.

• 3:37Corinne Vien?

  Keeping it in the family.

• 3:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does mention miscarriage and loss of child, but it does work out well in the end. This is from our listener, Melly. Hello, spooky ghostesses. Starting with the sad, I want to get it out of the way. I had a miscarriage at the end of August slash early September of this year. And before this, I kept having dreams of two kids, a boy named Mason and a girl named Mabel. In the dream. I would give birth and my husband and I would look at the child and instantly know what their name was meant to be Mason and Mabel. I also knew how they would look. Mason would have dark hair and blue eyes and Mabel would have sandy blonde hair and light colored changing eyes, sometimes blue, sometimes green, sometimes gray. However, ever since I was very, very young,

• 4:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I always felt like I would have three kids. So it was odd for me that I only ever dreamed of two of them. After the miscarriage, the doctor told me to wait two to three months before trying again. About two months in, I had a dream of the third kid. Just like the other dreams, I gave birth, held him in my arms and instantly knew his name was Marty, all M names. After this dream, I knew it was time to try again. And as luck would have it, I immediately got pregnant. Everything is going really well so far and I keep having dreams about my kid. In each dream, he keeps telling me his name is Mason. And he looks like the first baby boy I ever dreamed of.

• 5:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh my gosh. Which is so cool too, because that insinuates that they're always there and meant to be with you, but they get to choose, like the order doesn't necessarily matter of when you dream of someone or are exposed to their soul. It's when they feel ready to come.

• 5:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And it's interesting that Mellie has always dreamt about Mason and Mabel, but always felt like they would have three kids. I asked my mom what she thought of this dream and she told me that before getting pregnant, she had a dream of running through a large meadow with a little girl. Not too long after she found out she was pregnant, but they said that I was going to be a boy. She never believed the doctors and was not surprised at all when I came out a girl. My mom then told me that after having me, she started having dreams of another little girl with sandy blonde hair and light colored eyes, exactly like my dreams of Mabel. Also, I've actually had dreams about Mabel, the little blonde girl, my entire life, even before I met my husband. Guess what my husband looks like? Sandy blonde hair, eyes that

• 5:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  change colors in the light, sometimes blue, sometimes green, sometimes gray.

• 6:04Corinne Vien?

  I have chills.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I decided to ask around other female family members on this side of my family, discovering that my aunt, my grandmother, and both of my cousins dreamt of their kids before having them. All of their dreams turned out to be correct. I don't know if this is some unique psychic gift that we have, but I swear if this baby turns out to be a little boy with dark hair, blue eyes, my mind will be blown. Maybe it will be Marty.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will keep you updated to see if my dreams come true, though having a kid will make all my dreams come true regardless, especially if they turn out to be a spooky kid like me. Best wishes, Mellie.

• 6:38Corinne Vien?

  It's so interesting because you can think of this two ways. Either Mellie and all of her relatives are super open and witchy and intuitive and can basically like figure out who their kids are before having them. Or is everyone in the family as a child and as a soul so strong that they break through the veil to to interject themselves into people's dreams?

• 7:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're just both super in touch. Yeah, I don't know. I'm also curious about Mabel because Mellie said that she's been dreaming of Mabel for so many years. Is Mabel the child that she lost? Who is just always going to be with Mellie?

• 7:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 7:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And is almost like a guardian?

• 7:18Corinne Vien?

  And then it also makes me wonder too, like when Mellie's kids grow up, if they choose to have children, will there be a point where Mabel's not seen anymore? And a child will be born of similar likeness?

• 7:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, it'll be Mabel.

• 7:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because I also strongly believe that just because a soul attempted to come here and didn't.

• 7:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:38Corinne Vien?

  Doesn't mean that they won't return.

• 7:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree.

• 7:41Corinne Vien?

  It's like the Pollock Twins. Didn't you do that?

• 7:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:44Corinne Vien?

  The Pollock Twins, yeah.

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They died very young and came back in the same family.

• 7:49Corinne Vien?

  As twins.

• 7:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As twins.

• 7:50Corinne Vien?

  That had memories and everything.

• 7:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How they died.

• 7:54Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Oh, God, that was so cool.

• 7:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That that story is wild.

• 7:59Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 7:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like the intuition that people have when it comes to pregnancies is, I mean, that is the like entrance of a spirit from the realm that we all come from or live in before and after this physical human life enters into this. This world and I feel like that is magic.

• 8:15Corinne Vien?

  It really is. Also Noah started really talking to someone in his room again. We had a, we had a few weeks break and I even have moved him like when he's like, kind of like glancing off and interacting and like laughing. And again, he's staring at like a blank spot and I've moved to him and turned his body to see if his gaze will just like, move if he's just randomly like, ha, ha, ha, ha, like.

• 8:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it stays on that spot.

• 8:38Corinne Vien?

  He just, he's tracking.

• 8:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's Uncle Dicky. I, I fully believe it. You should talk to Uncle Dicky. Have you?

• 8:44Corinne Vien?

  No, I should. I've talked to his son.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:46Corinne Vien?

  Who's alive.

• 8:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I mean, like, when you see Noah kind of interacting, you should just say hi to Uncle Dicky.

• 8:53Corinne Vien?

  I don't know if it's him, so I always just say, who are you seeing? Are we saying hi? Cause there's many people in my, in my family lineage who've made themselves known to babies.

• 9:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you could say.

• 9:05Corinne Vien?

  My grandpa Bob. I don't want to exclude him.

• 9:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Say whoever it is, you're welcome to come visit me in my dreams.

• 9:10Corinne Vien?

  Oh, expose yourself to me.

• 9:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love to know who Noah's getting along with.

• 9:14Corinne Vien?

  That's a good idea. I will do that. So I have an email that is similar to what you just read. So I'm going to read this one and this is a content warning for Talk of Child Loss again.

• 9:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 9:24Corinne Vien?

  And Pregnancy Loss specifically. Hi ladies, I have a few stories that I think you guys would appreciate. But here are just two of my more prominent stories. A little backstory on me. I've always been very sensitive to paranormal activity and very curious about it. I have been a practicing Wiccan for the past eight years. So I've also done a lot of work to connect to spirits.

• 9:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell, yeah.

• 9:45Corinne Vien?

  That leads me to my first story. When I was in high school, I began visiting with a spiritual healer to help me develop my gifts. And he had given me the task of opening up to spirits at various times and allowing myself to see and communicate with them. I would drive a lot.

• 10:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 10:01Corinne Vien?

  I would drive a lot around my hometown. It was a small town. There's nothing better to do. And I would open up my car for spirits to come join me.

• 10:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A cab for the dead.

• 10:11Corinne Vien?

  I would also preface that only white light is allowed in and anything with bad intentions is not allowed. And some other things that my healer had taught me to protect myself.

• 10:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm about to drive to Jersey. Should I invite a ghost to join me?

• 10:23Corinne Vien?

  You should.

• 10:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Road trip.

• 10:24Corinne Vien?

  Road trip. You wanna go to Jersey? One day I was doing that and I guess I forgot to preface who was allowed to contact me. Because I was driving and then I suddenly got very cold, which typically didn't happen. It normally felt warm and comfortable, but I looked in my rearview mirror now and there was a dark shadow sitting behind me.

• 10:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh no.

• 10:45Corinne Vien?

  I felt it in the pit of my stomach. Something was not right. I stayed calm and I tried to communicate at first. He didn't respond until I suddenly felt what felt like ice cold hands around my neck.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  While driving.

• 10:59Corinne Vien?

  And I then blacked out for half a second. I felt what I assume was how he was feeling, that he was dying. And I watched what I can only assume was him dying. It was horrifying. I screamed to him to get out of my car. I rushed home. I burned some sage in my car and I never opened up my car again.

• 11:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is terrifying. And also, but also so sad at the same time.

• 11:22Corinne Vien?

  This does make me feel like ghost whisperer, you know, when there is that connection of like seeing how.

• 11:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Feeling there, yeah.

• 11:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, how a spirit has passed.

• 11:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh man.

• 11:32Corinne Vien?

  But that's such a scary and dramatic way of like showing.

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, damn, okay.

• 11:38Corinne Vien?

  So my next story is a little less paranormal and a little more witchy, but I think there was someone special looking over me that day. Another story from high school. I've always just known things were gonna happen. My friend group always relied on my gut instinct for things and I was never wrong.

• 11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 11:54Corinne Vien?

  One day, a friend of mine, we'll call her Jen, and I were going to go visit another friend in a larger town that was about forty-five minutes away. And we started to get in the car and I got that feeling, this pit in my stomach and my eyes started welling with tears. I looked at Jen and said, we're not going. If we go, something bad is gonna happen to you.

• 12:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, Final Destination much?

• 12:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. She knew about my intuition and she said, okay, we're not going. So I called my spiritual healer and I asked him if he could tell me anything about what I was feeling. And no, I didn't say what we were doing or anything like that. I just said, I had a bad feeling and asked if he could tell me anything about it. He told me to hang on, he'll call me right back. I hung up with him and looked at Jen and said, I think you would have died. Oh shit. We would have gotten in a car wreck and you would have died. And she was kind of skeptical of that until my phone rang. It was my spiritual healer and he said, who was the blonde girl with you? Is she safe? Are you driving? I told him it was my friend Jen. No, we're not driving. We're safe. What he said next gives me chills every time I think of it. You would have gotten into a wreck. She would have died.

• 12:58Corinne Vien?

  And then another quick little story. I had-

• 13:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not okay. Like I need-

• 13:04Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 13:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like I need to digest.

• 13:07Corinne Vien?

  Jen has so much going, like this is-

• 13:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jesus.

• 13:09Corinne Vien?

  This is like Jen already had all of these abilities and just had to learn how to kind of harness them.

• 13:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want Jen and the spiritual healer in my life.

• 13:16Corinne Vien?

  Or sorry, not Jen. This is Lindsay. Her friend was Jen. Jen almost died. Lindsay saved her.

• 13:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want Lindsay and the spiritual healer in my life.

• 13:23Corinne Vien?

  Yes, me too. Okay, Lindsay says another quick story and this is the content warning for pregnancy loss. I had a super early miscarriage before I had my sweet daughter Lily. And I just looked up the exact date and it was exactly two years to the day before Lily was in my belly. Weird, right? See you on the other side, Lindsay.

• 13:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am-

• 13:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's a lot to, a lot to digest.

• 13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 13:49Corinne Vien?

  Like getting visions and of a man's death and like watching him try to show you how he died. There's a lot of car stuff going on too, at least for these two stories.

• 14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But my goodness, not only are you an incredible witch, you're an incredible friend to have. And you helped prevent Jen from dying.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  I know. And thank goodness that Jen didn't push her. Not like, oh, we're gonna be okay. We're gonna be okay.

• 14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a story from our listener, Tegan, and Tegan says that they're not a psychic or a witch.

• 14:23Corinne Vien?

  Do we believe Tegan?

• 14:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this story makes me question that. It is called The Ghost on the Wall Who Played With Me.

• 14:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 14:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello ghoulie ghostesses. My name is Teagan and I'm 14 years old.

• 14:35Corinne Vien?

  Hi, Teagan.

• 14:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now 15. Almost 16. I just couldn't wait to tell you guys about my spooky encounters, even though I don't think these would be as extreme as some of the other stories you've heard. But first, you need to know that right after my mom and dad got married, they got a small house that was built in the late 1800s. It was built in a small town in Minnesota. It was quiet and peaceful with not much going on. Like I said, the house was built in the late 1800s. The first people to live there was a couple. The husband's name was Clarence and the wife's name was Hetty. Clarence, I'm pretty sure, died in the house and they were Polish. So when I say this house was small, I mean it was tiny. Think tiny home. There was a downstairs that had a kitchen, living room, and dining room that was about the same size of our living room in our current home. Then you would go upstairs, you'd be at my room,

• 15:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  which is about the same size as my current closet. Then across my room was my parents' room, which could hardly have a queen-sized bed. Then my sister Riley lived in the room right next to me. She is a year younger than me. This was a very hard time, especially for my mom. They were struggling a lot with money. About a year after my parents got married, I was born and I'm the oldest of three. Nothing much happened, just a happy couple with their first child. Then in 2010, Riley was born. And everything seemed fine for a while, until I was two and Riley was one. My parents were in bed, sleeping, and around 3:00 AM or 4:00 AM, my parents heard me calling them. "Mom, Dad, the shadows are gone." Now, my parents, who were new at parenting in a small house,

• 16:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  bolted into my room because they were concerned. "What shadows?" My dad came in, my mom not far behind. "What did you say?" And I said, "The shadows that play with me on the wall, they're gone." Now, we did have a tree in our yard, but it was in the front and my window was facing the backyard. So it was not the tree shadows illuminating my wall. If it was ghosts, I wasn't scared of them. In fact, I was very unhappy and very sad that they did not come to play with me that night at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning.

• 16:27Corinne Vien?

  Well, it was a part of her routine.

• 16:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She wakes up every morning at 3:00 to 4:00 to play with the ghosts. Still, the thought of me playing with something in the form of a shadow person is a little unsettling. Also, my dad worked at a restaurant and often got home around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. Morning and one night my mom heard someone in the hallway. Half asleep, she thought it was my dad, so she didn't think anything of it. Then my dad in quotes came into her room, leaned down, gave my mom a kiss. My mom smiled and my dad went back to the hallway. I think you know where I'm going with this. About five minutes later, my mom heard my dad come inside. And she thought maybe he had just taken the dogs out or something. But then she heard him take the dogs out. Still half asleep, my mom was confused. Why did he go back outside?

• 17:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Then my dad came to bed, leaned down, kissed my mom, good night, got his pajamas on and went to bed. The next morning, my mom brought up the events because it was a little weird. My dad was like, what? No, I came home, let the dogs out, then came upstairs, gave you a kiss and went to bed. My mom was like, no, no, no, you came to bed, gave me a kiss. Then went to take the dogs out and came back up to bed and gave me a kiss on the cheek. My dad held her to know he came home, let the dogs out, then came to bed. Which freaked my mom out, knowing that whatever leaned down to kiss her was not my dad.

• 17:40Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, it is creepy, but kinda sweet.

• 17:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or residual?

• 17:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 17:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or almost like the house knew it was going to happen? Yeah. Whatever it was, she said it didn't feel evil and it felt like she was comforted. Another time, my mom was sitting in her room. She heard a man's voice go boo. My mom told me that it was never the intent to scare her, but more playful. She thought it was my dad, so she went into the closet. No one was there. And my mom remembered that my dad was out running some errands. When my dad got home, she told him about the experience and he swept through the house and found nothing. Soon after these occurrences, my mom had her third child, my baby sister, Gwenna.

• 18:16Corinne Vien?

  I like the name a lot.

• 18:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Soon after Gwenna was born, my dad lost his job and we couldn't pay for the house. So we moved in with my grandparents. My mom was packing some stuff up in her room. Riley was sitting on the bed, who was about three. And all of a sudden Riley looks up to a corner of the room and points. My mom looks at her and goes, what's up? Riley goes, mommy, why is that man crying?

• 18:38Corinne Vien?

  Oh no, so concerned for him.

• 18:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom looked in the corner and saw a fan, one of those plug-in fans that rotate back and forth. My mom asked the fan. Riley shook her head, "No, mommy, the man in the corner with the tall hat, he's crying and I really want to give him a hug."

• 18:53Corinne Vien?

  What a sweet little baby.

• 18:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Riley exclaimed, "My mom immediately called for my dad, who came up and told him what Riley saw." My dad took some pictures, the first two looked normal, but the third one had a small streak in the corner, right where Riley told my mom the man was. After all of these strange occurrences, my mom did some research on the house and found out that the people living there in the late 1800s and early 1900s immigrated from Poland. My mom pieced it together and maybe thought that this was Clarence, who died in the house. My mom knew he was friendly because of the kissing and the teasing, and we're pretty sure he was watching us pack, crying that we weren't going to live in the house anymore.

• 19:29Corinne Vien?

  No, oh, my heart hurts. He's going through a breakup.

• 19:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 19:34Corinne Vien?

  It is really sad.

• 19:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We then lived with my grandparents for three years and moved into a house of our own. Our old haunted house is now for rent and a lot of people move in and out of it. We like to drive by once in a while, since we don't live that far. Ever since I was 11, my fascination with the paranormal started to grow, and I really want to go and rent out the house and do an investigation. I have so many questions and I wonder if the spirits remember us. Did they pass on? Was there more than one? Was Clarence with Hetty in the afterlife? I don't know. I hope you guys enjoy my stories. I'll have to send you more about our current house, which is haunted by potentially an SW and an evil spirit that I believe I accidentally created on my own.

• 20:15Corinne Vien?

  Oh shit.

• 20:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stay spooky, see you on the other side, Tegan. I have always struggled with where to put eyeshadow, but I just discovered Thrive Cosmetics' new Focus Eyeshadow Palette, and it has changed the game because it has four essential shades, and then it's each labeled with where they go, like the lid, the crease, the fine or highlight. And now I have the perfect eyeshadow routine every single day.

• 20:39Corinne Vien?

  It's so great. It's such a good cheat sheet. And then even if you don't want to do the full routine, I love their brilliant eye brightener, because I just slap that right on. Wore one of the shades of that to a little seance we did the other day.

• 20:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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  Toss, toss.

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• 21:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you created a spirit, Teagan, you are a witch.

• 22:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and also email us. What the heck?

• 22:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:04Corinne Vien?

  It does make me wonder how in the spirit world, the ability or the decision is made for a spirit to follow a family or not.

• 22:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 22:13Corinne Vien?

  Like, if he was crying and loved them so much, part of me was like, "Oh, well, maybe he'll move with them."

• 22:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 22:18Corinne Vien?

  But he didn't. He stayed.

• 22:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe because, I mean, if this house was his and Hedy's, maybe he doesn't want to leave it behind because...

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  He feels a stronger attachment.

• 22:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Hopefully that they got some good new tenants and

• 22:31Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 22:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Clarence likes them as much as he liked...

• 22:34Corinne Vien?

  He misses his kids.

• 22:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 22:36Corinne Vien?

  The little trio. You guys were probably such great entertainment for him.

• 22:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. So cute.

• 22:40Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, no, that's the hands, the shadows on the wall just disappearing. But how great that you have like a puppet show every night.

• 22:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they're probably just playing.

• 22:49Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it makes me wonder if it was Clarence, but then why did he stop playing?

• 22:54Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 22:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We agree, Teagan. We should do an investigation of the house and ask them what's up.

• 22:59Corinne Vien?

  I have a story. It's called "Some of My Weird Semi-Ghosty Quasi-Paranormal Experiences."

• 23:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 23:06Corinne Vien?

  So there's many, from someone who's obviously quite witchy, named Adrian. This one's titled Grandma Sophie. When I was about four years old and had imaginary friends, I don't remember them, but my parents told me that I had them, I woke up in the middle of the night to find my stepdad's mother at the end of my bed. The only thing was, she looked different. Her hair was perfectly done, as always, and she was wearing one of her infamous ornate cafkins that she was known for wearing when she was entertaining. But she was glowing. She was glowing this soft gold and green color. And she told me that she didn't want me to worry about her, that everything was okay, and that she loved me. I asked her if I should go get my parents for her or anything, and she laughed and she just said, "No, I just wanted you to know that I'm okay and that I love you."

• 23:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah.

• 23:52Corinne Vien?

  She faded away.

• 23:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The way that she showed up was beautiful.

• 23:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and clearly so solid, too,

• 23:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Corinne Vien?

  that Adrian thought it was actually her grandmother here, which it was, but just in a different form.

• 24:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 24:04Corinne Vien?

  I jumped out of bed and I ran to my parents to tell them that Grandma Sophie was just here. And they told me I was dreaming, just go back to bed. I told them that I had woken up, I had a conversation with her, I was not asleep. But they insisted that this was just a dream, and they sent me back to bed.

• 24:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 24:20Corinne Vien?

  The next morning, they got the call to tell them that Sophie had passed away the night before. And that is when they asked me for all of the details.

• 24:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's when they realized, our child is spooky and creepy and a witch.

• 24:33Corinne Vien?

  So I was a weird kid. I could feel things, and if my mom had an alcoholic beverage, I got tipsy.

• 24:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 24:39Corinne Vien?

  At first, my parents thought that I was playing a trick on them, so they started testing it to see if I was faking it. I wasn't old enough-

• 24:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mom got drunk to find out if it actually-

• 24:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's see, daughter gets drunk too.

• 24:51Corinne Vien?

  I'll just have a bottle of wine. I wasn't old enough to understand even how to fake it. And they tested it so often.

• 24:59Corinne Vien?

  I had to eventually put up my own protection. It's hard to describe how I did it, but you could liken it to an energetic wall. I did not enjoy their games or the feeling of when my mom drank or did drugs, which they did a lot of because they were hippies. And because of this, we were living the hippie life. And I later learned that I was living in a dysfunctional and abusive home.

• 25:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sorry.

• 25:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I used this ability to feel, to see if I was safe to enter a room or the house or really anywhere. I could stand outside and feel if it was a safe time to go in, or if I should just go sit down on the steps and wait. As I got older, I used this feeling to sense if people were good or safe, or if I needed to steer clear of them.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're Matilda.

• 25:40Corinne Vien?

  Literally. I didn't like people to sit on my bed. It changed the energy of my bed and it took me days to get it right again. When we moved to a farm in the Appalachian Mountains, I spent days out exploring and feeling the energy of the people who used to be there.

• 25:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 25:56Corinne Vien?

  I would walk for a long time to get to an old abandoned building and I would feel the people who used to live there. And we had a couple hundred acres and there were several old abandoned, falling in or fire damaged homes on the land. And I used to see Native Americans on horses that would just fade away, just like my grandma Sophie did that one night when she visited me.

• 26:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are so magical.

• 26:17Corinne Vien?

  I know. They didn't say anything to me, but we did make eye contact. I didn't want my parents to think that I was nuts, so I didn't tell them. I just asked a million questions about Native Americans and horses and ghosts and energy and the mountains.

• 26:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 26:32Corinne Vien?

  To the point that I was annoying and my stepdad actually bought me some encyclopedias and said, here, read these.

• 26:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally Matilda.

• 26:39Corinne Vien?

  These will answer your nonstop questions.

• 26:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 26:42Corinne Vien?

  That's when I also realized people's clothes had energy too. I was at the age where my friends wanted to borrow each other's clothes. Some clothes I could not wear because the energy just felt so off from what I was used to. And I often didn't want to wear my own things after someone had borrowed them. And as an adult, I still feel this energy and I've learned how to clear it with sage and intention.

• 27:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm curious if it's the clothes. I mean, I do believe that everything is living, breathing, but is it the clothes themselves or is it the person who left the stain?

• 27:13Corinne Vien?

  That might be a mix because there are certain vibrations.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are certain fabrics I cannot wear.

• 27:18Corinne Vien?

  fabrics, same. Yeah, it just feels so icky. I'm a real estate broker and I've specialized in bank owned and government owned property. And since the energy of a place can be very strong, I've cleared homes so that the new owners not be influenced by things that happened there before them. I don't tell them I do this, I just do it.

• 27:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which they are very grateful for.

• 27:38Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 27:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even though they don't know why it happened or how the energy in the house is so good.

• 27:43Corinne Vien?

  Good vibes, which is great.

• 27:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's all because of you.

• 27:45Corinne Vien?

  You should pay extra or charge extra for that. I can't even speak.

• 27:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can make that a job.

• 27:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In its own.

• 27:52Corinne Vien?

  I noticed that history often repeated itself. A home with a nasty divorce would often lead to a divorce of the next couple that bought it. Or a home that had occupants with financial losses and ended in a foreclosure would have similar outcomes for the next owner, et cetera. One government owned home I was entrusted with selling made me so dizzy and confused when I was in it. I had to go through the house every week and photograph every room and document that nothing had changed since the last inspection or would start documenting problems. And every time I went into this house, it just really bothered me. It didn't feel like anything bad had happened, no violence. I would just get really dizzy and a little disoriented. I was like, get a grip, nothing is here. But the longer I was in this house, the more confused I would feel. It was so strange.

• 28:38Corinne Vien?

  One day when I was walking around the outside to document, nothing on the exterior had changed from the last visit. I ended up speaking with a neighbor and they told me that the lady who lived here before passed away and the house ended up government owned via reverse mortgage. She had had Alzheimer's.

• 28:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All the dizzy and confused.

• 28:57Corinne Vien?

  So that was it. That was the feeling of confusion. I was feeling her confusion. I cleared the house so hopefully that energy would lessen and not affect anyone else. Other houses I was in charge of had lots of violence. You could feel it, so heavy and scary at the same time. You can patch holes in the wall or replace damaged doors, but that does not change the energy.

• 29:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. I'm so curious how they go about clearing out the energy.

• 29:21Corinne Vien?

  Clearing the space.

• 29:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's your ritual?

• 29:24Corinne Vien?

  So now a story about a cemetery. When I was a teenager, about 15, we moved to a small town in New Hampshire. Down the street was a private chapel and cemetery surrounded by beautiful wrought iron fencing. We moved a lot, so new places were something that I was used to. I think I'm up to 45 places now.

• 29:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 29:39Corinne Vien?

  And in houses. And I feel like I've lived in so many entirely different areas, but I had so many weird experiences in New England. I was enchanted by this place because it seemed like something out of an English story. The chapel was so old and pretty, the stone cottage with the steeple. It had these huge handmade wooden double doors at the entry and the headstones were all very old with dates of the 1800s, early 1900s. And being the weird kid, I always talked to my friends about tarot. I did readings. I read their poems.

• 30:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Best friend. I want to be friends with everyone. Anyone like who listens to our podcast, you think that

• 30:17Corinne Vien?

  They're so cool.

• 30:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's one sided. No, no, we want to be your friends so badly.

• 30:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it does go both ways. I convinced my friends to hang out with me in the cemetery. We spent whole afternoons there, sitting on the steps, leaning against the building of the big doors, smoking, talking, goofing around. One day when I was there, I was with a friend named Mark and we were talking about the graves. For fun, I decided to lay down on some of the graves and tell my friends what came to my mind, who the people were, what they did, how they died.

• 30:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a cool party trick.

• 30:50Corinne Vien?

  I remember just clearing my mind and allowing myself to feel and say whatever images popped into my head. I didn't really take it seriously. I was just having fun and passing time. The thing that I remember most about the things that came to me was that one woman was run over by the wheel of a horse drawn carriage.

• 31:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 31:07Corinne Vien?

  I saw her in the carriage in a long dress with many layers. And when she was stepping out, she fell while at the same time, the carriage started to move abruptly because something had startled the horses. She was run over by the wheel.

• 31:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 31:21Corinne Vien?

  She couldn't breathe. A few days later, I'm back at the chapel. My friends and I found the chapel door ajar. So we went inside. It was so gorgeous. Tall ceilings, stained glass, varnished wood, flower petals, old and dry. Lining the center walkways with pews on each side. There were so many items inside made of brass, including the stand up at the front that I assumed the pastor would place his Bible on. And I just wanted to sit there and absorb all of this energy. I also had a strange desire to polish the somewhat discolored brass. It was so lovely. My friend was not very comfortable. He felt like at any moment, the police would arrive and we would be carted off. We closed the place back up and I went on with my day.

• 32:03Corinne Vien?

  He went home and he told his mom, who found out who to call to alert that the chapel was open. The next day, my friend came by and told me that he met the guy who owned it and his mother called him. The property had been in his family for many generations. He was happy to be alerted, although could not figure out how the place got unlocked. It had two deadbolts and nothing was broken on the door or the locks. No one had been there for a very long time. He said, I could take the brass pieces home to polish them if I was so inclined, as long as I would not keep them for too long.

• 32:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, this is amazing.

• 32:35Corinne Vien?

  This is also so New England.

• 32:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is.

• 32:38Corinne Vien?

  I'm not sure why my friend told him that I wanted to do this, but I was happy to go meet the owner and lug things home for polishing. After I returned the pieces, my friend told me that when I laid on the graves and told him things, it was all completely accurate per the owner. And that's why he trusted me to take the brass things and return them. We did not have the internet yet in these days, so there was no way to look up things like that. My friend was also super freaked out by this whole thing and never wanted to go there again and kept asking me, how did you do that?

• 33:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm also envisioning this friend like nervously spilling every detail of what happened. Out of like, I don't want to get in trouble, but this is everything we did. And then she saw this and then, and then the guy's like, whoa.

• 33:22Corinne Vien?

  I'll give her my brass. I'm just sure this little witch friend of yours, she can take them.

• 33:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 33:28Corinne Vien?

  Content warning for murder and domestic abuse. So my mom was also always interested in things paranormal, ghosts, energy, the afterlife, tarot, et cetera. She believed in reincarnation. My stepdad would always tell us, you're so gullible and naive. There is no afterlife. We die, we end up in the ground. We end up in the ground. Worm food. That's it. That's all.

• 33:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 33:50Corinne Vien?

  And so my mom and I, we made a pact. Whomever died first would come back and tell the other everything. All the secrets of the universe. We would tell each other if we were right or wrong. And my stepdad might have had a genius IQ, but somehow he is wrong.

• 34:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep, he is.

• 34:06Corinne Vien?

  Life ended up knocking us around after that. They got divorced. She ended up with addiction problems.

• 34:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh shit.

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  She ended up murdered by her boyfriend.

• 34:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh no, I'm so sorry.

• 34:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ugh.

• 34:18Corinne Vien?

  The day she died, it felt like I knew before I was told. She had moved to Texas and I was in Washington state. That day, I got the feeling of being watched and a hot wind blew across me and made me think of Texas. I told my husband, it feels like Texas today with the wind like a blow dryer. He didn't really know what I was talking about. I continued my day with this weird sensation of being watched. I picked up my kids, I finished my work responsibilities, and I started making dinner. The phone rang. It was my grandma. She said, your mom is dead. Bobby did it. He beat her to death.

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 34:51Corinne Vien?

  She had no other details for me.

• 34:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ugh.

• 34:54Corinne Vien?

  I booked a plane ticket. I made arrangements to go there, leaving my kids and my husband at home. The kids were little. I did not need them to be a part of whatever this was.

• 35:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 35:02Corinne Vien?

  Later that night, when the kids were asleep and my husband was out, I sat alone. I was kind of in shock. You don't expect someone to die without warning, and she was only 49. I hoped she was okay and not stuck. That was my biggest concern at the moment, that she might be stuck, living out her last days over and over and over as a ghost or something. And then I saw her. I was not asleep. I did not have anything mind altering. I looked up and there she was glowing so bright. I couldn't look directly at her. I didn't see all of her. The light was just too bright. But I could see her hands making a ringing worried gesture and I knew that it was her. I asked her if she was okay and we had a conversation.

• 35:44Corinne Vien?

  She indicated yes, she was okay, better than okay. She filled me with this total body bliss to illustrate just how okay.

• 35:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To share that with.

• 35:55Corinne Vien?

  The conversation was fast. It was brief. It was to the point. She stopped wringing her hands after apologizing to me for the way that this all played out. Mainly the conversation was just to reassure me that she was not stuck and she was good. At the very end, she said, you know, the pact we made? And I responded, yeah, and none of those things really matter. I know. We know where we're supposed to be at this moment. We both laughed and she faded out. Now, of course, I would like to have the conversation about everything that is the mysteries of the universe. But when I got back on that plane, there it was, the blow dryer wind that I had felt. My grandma and my uncle picked me up along with my stepdad and brother and we went straight to her house. The police had already done all of the things there.

• 36:37Corinne Vien?

  So we got out of the car and I stood in the yard while my grandma rummaged for the keys and talked to my uncle and my brother. I heard things, a wailing, a moaning, some crying. I looked at everybody and no one was reacting. I said, do you guys hear that? Everyone listened and looked at me. No one else heard anything. After a few minutes, the sounds I was hearing were replaced by loud ringing in my ears, which blocked out all of the other sounds. We each had a plan. Grandma planned to empty the fridge and move all of the food that would get icky in the heat and rot. My brother was looking for valuables. My uncle was just in shock and gonna do anything anyone told him to do. My stepdad was looking for details and information about her killer. I wanted to find her journal to protect her thoughts and her feelings from everyone else.

• 37:22Corinne Vien?

  And I knew that there would be things there that she did not want to be shared, especially with her mother. It was private. I wanted to protect her privacy. Everyone already had enough. opinions and judgments about her choices. So I put up this energetic wall and I went inside. I won't bore you with all the things that I saw out of whack and the craziness of each room. But in the bedroom, there was one spot that I was drawn to. I was standing there staring into space, still trying to comprehend my mom was gone and she'd been killed. My uncle walked in and said, this is the spot she was found. She had been laying there in that spot for two days. She did not die there, but she died on the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

• 37:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god, this is so heartbreaking.

• 38:03Corinne Vien?

  Even though I had my energetic wall up and the loud ringing in my ears, I saw little bits of things played out and I felt so nauseous. I just could not stay long. I requested that we leave. I didn't want to take anything home with me. I could not handle the energy. My brother made a pile for my grandma to ship him and my stepdad put all of the killer's things on the sidewalk with a free sign and beat the man's truck with a bat before calling it to have it towed away.

• 38:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fair.

• 38:29Corinne Vien?

  And by the way, I did find her journals, but all the pages had been cut out with pinking shears. She loved pinking shears because of the pattern that they make and that told me that she had removed them, not someone else. For months after, she communicated with me in dreams. So I could understand what she was thinking and how trapped she had felt in the relationship. So that I could understand how such things could have happened. My next story is about mediums. My mom and I once went to a medium for a past life reading. And I have no way to verify the accuracy of what we were told, but it was interesting and it did feel true. I went to a medium again later in life after my mom had passed and I really kind of hoped to get a message from her. But instead, I got a message from my biological dad.

• 39:14Corinne Vien?

  I did not know that he had died. So I was thinking, yeah, right. This guy's a fraud. I had last seen my bio dad at my mom's funeral and he really wanted me to come meet his other children and his wife. But I did not want to, so I made excuses. The medium told me that my dad wanted to say he was sorry for not being in my life while I was growing up. He needed me to know that it was not his fault, that my mom would not let him see me most of the time. He didn't even know where I was living because we moved so often. I was disappointed that the medium was fake. When one of my kids asked how it went, I told them how disappointed I was. A few hours later, she asked what my dad's middle name was. Was it kind of different? I said, yes, it was Baker. She said, I found him. On the internet, she found his grave and she sent me a picture.

• 39:57Corinne Vien?

  He died just four years after my mom in 1999. There was no way the medium could have looked him up. I didn't ever go by his last name and there was no cyber trail or paper trail ever tying us together.

• 40:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you didn't even know?

• 40:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I called my grandma and my uncle and I asked them, why didn't you tell me that my bio dad fricking died a whole decade earlier? And they both told me, oh, I thought you knew. Nope, no one told me. I had to learn about this from a medium.

• 40:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

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• 41:28Corinne Vien?

  My next story is called The Crash. One time I was riding the passenger seat of a Porsche that my stepdad had given me. My husband was driving. We were downtown Seattle buzzing around, doing errands. And we had stopped for lunch and were starting to get back on the road. I was studying some work paperwork in my lap and I heard a voice tell me, tuck and roll to the center. Do it now. I did. And as I was tucking my body down and moving towards the center of the car, I was thinking, my husband is gonna yell at me any second and say, what the fuck are you doing? But I knew I had to do this. And the tone of voice was not kidding around. Next thing I know, we are T-boned hard. I looked up to find the bumper of an F-250 where my head and face had been moments earlier. The way the car had been constructed, the center side beam

• 42:13Corinne Vien?

  took most of the impact, but it was still a distinctive V-ish shape. So my side hurt from the impact. Nothing was broken on me, but there was glass everywhere. I couldn't even unbuckle the seatbelt easily because the door was crushing into it.

• 42:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 42:28Corinne Vien?

  I had glass inside my pockets, no clue how that happens. But somehow, I was perfectly fine, as was my husband. That voice saved my head and my face and maybe my life.

• 42:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Definitely your life.

• 42:40Corinne Vien?

  My husband tried to convince me that I saw the accident about to happen in my peripheral vision, but I did not.

• 42:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 42:46Corinne Vien?

  I just listened to the voice and I did what it said. My very last story is called, The Past Life.

• 42:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 42:52Corinne Vien?

  When my youngest daughter was about two and a half or three and a half years old, she didn't play with her dolls or Barbies the way that her older sisters did. I tried to encourage her to play nicely with them, but she was always tying them to table legs and being stern with them, saying, get over here. I tried to ignore it. I tried telling her, the baby wants cuddles and things like that. I was worried, as any parent would be.

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Corinne Vien?

  Had someone done something to her? She wasn't in daycare. I took my kids with me whenever I left the house for work-related things. And I was a real estate broker who listed bank-owned homes, so I mostly worked from home. They very rarely had a sitter, and if they did, it was my sister-in-law or their grandparents on their dad's side. I was very cautious about what they saw on television. I guarded them from any violent or scary things. And clearly, something was wrong. One day, I had seen enough. This has to end, I thought. I didn't want to suggest anything that might put inaccurate thoughts in her head, so I decided I would ask questions carefully. Has someone tied you up like that? No, she said. Have you seen that somewhere?

• 43:55Corinne Vien?

  No, she answered again. I kept asking, and I just felt like the questions were pretty casual in tone to mask my concerns, but I hope that these would answer the underlying issue.

• 44:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 44:06Corinne Vien?

  She was growing very irritated with my questions because I was interrupting what was going on in her brain while she played, continuing to tie up these dolls and bind them to furniture legs. And then she looked at me, clearly exasperated with me and said, I used to be a policeman. Like, how come you're so dumb? You don't know, Mom? I did not let the kids watch any police shows. They were violent. And during their waking hours, only kid friendly things were ever played in the house.

• 44:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 44:33Corinne Vien?

  What? When? And she continued in the tone of voice that indicated that I was dumb and interrupting her. And I should know, yes, before I was me now. I was police. There are bad people that have to go.

• 44:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God.

• 44:47Corinne Vien?

  I let that sink in for a minute. Oh, okay. You were a policeman before you were Chelsea? Yes, of course, she said so matter of factly. Also, I don't know why I'm giving her this like weird accent.

• 44:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it. A policeman.

• 45:00Corinne Vien?

  A policeman.

• 45:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Corinne Vien?

  He's from Sweden, apparently. I waited a few minutes. What was your name then? She paused and then she made a J sound and paused and made an S sound and paused and then said, I don't remember. After a while, she stopped doing this to all of the dolls in the house. And one day I asked her, do you remember when you told me who you used to be? She was a little older now and I hoped that maybe she could give more information and that I could try to verify this. And she said, not really. I mostly don't remember now.

• 45:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 45:31Corinne Vien?

  I have more stories that maybe I'll share another time. But until then, love your podcast. See you on the other side, Adrian.

• 45:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Adrian.

• 45:37Corinne Vien?

  Which is fricking born with you, Adrian.

• 45:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have so many experiences and encounters and I'm so sorry for all the loss in your life. Like, I.

• 45:46Corinne Vien?

  It's tragic.

• 45:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I do really love the way that, from the very first story of Sophie, showing up with this like bright light and just being like, I just want to let you know I'm okay. It's really clear that you are a beacon for all of your loved ones to come through and share messages.

• 46:05Corinne Vien?

  I know. And also just.

• 46:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 46:07Corinne Vien?

  My God, how intuitive are you that like, no training, just as a young, young child could just tap into this energy and know how to harness it. Know how to feel it, know how to let it guide you to safety.

• 46:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does that not to you prove even more that as children, when we are born, we are all born with capabilities? And some people tap into them and others, based on society and based on life, it just gets fizzled out?

• 46:34Corinne Vien?

  It also makes me very curious about early childhood settings. If there's a difference between children who engage in a ton of imaginative play versus children who engage more in like real world skill building. There's like a line delineation of like how quickly they stops having imaginary friends.

• 46:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's just so many different factors.

• 46:57Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 46:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's nature versus nurture, like there might be children who are born just way more open.

• 47:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I have one more story to wrap us up.

• 47:06Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 47:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is from a listener Hillary and it is called, since I was a kid, I have always been sensitive to the spiritual world. Hi, sending this story to you as it has always terrified me. And even now that I'm about to retell the story again, I feel eyes looming over me.

• 47:24Corinne Vien?

  Hey, but you got this far, the email actually sent, which sometimes a lot of people have trouble with things not letting their emails come through.

• 47:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's true. So a little backstory. Ever since I knew what ghosts are, I have been experiencing lots of paranormal activity. From hearing knocking at my bedroom window when I was six years old, seeing no one there, to seeing doppelgangers and bathroom stall doors suddenly opening at school restrooms despite being alone. Aside from all that, constant paranormal activity became normal as I grew up. And this is where dreams became a thing. I had often had sleep paralysis and I think it's a family thing because my brother has it too. One gift I have is I dream of things before they happen. I call it a gift now, but however, when the story I'm about to share happened, I considered this gift a curse. This was when I was in high school. No, it's not deja vu. It's more like a premonition or a vision.

• 48:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To explain it clearly, one time I dreamt of my dad in the hospital and I heard the monitor flatline. And I woke up and perceived it as a nightmare. But three months later, my dad was admitted to the hospital for stage four cancer. And we heard that same flatline that I had heard in my dream.

• 48:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 48:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Content warning for violence. Also, I had another dream where I saw a stranger getting stabbed and his family being killed by an attacker. But the father was able to escape and reach the hospital, but he was bloody and screaming for help. When I woke up, I was confused. Why did I dream this? That next morning, my brother came home from his night shift working at the hospital and told us that they had to save a guy who had multiple stab wounds. He walked into the hospital on his own, screaming and crying, asking for help.

• 49:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh my God, I feel like when I have a heart attack, this is horrifying.

• 49:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, and I'm curious, like, is this just being really connected to certain people like her brother and her dad? Or does it not matter? Okay, so now you have a bit of backstory. This is a story of when I experienced a real life possession and exorcism and felt like the target of the demon was me. Throughout my high school life, I have been suffering with depression and anxiety. I would see these things and dreaming all of these premonitions didn't help. So you can say negativity was surrounding me, but I kept my faith. I was a devoted Christian. One night during my junior year, I dreamt about someone being interrogated by me, like I was a detective, but the questions didn't make sense. I kept asking the girl who and what her real name is and why her, until I realized it was some kind of exorcism.

• 49:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In my dream, I couldn't see a face. I just knew I was talking to a woman sitting on a chair and her hands were tied up because she was wearing a female school uniform, so I could see her long hair, but her face was covered in shadow. The voice, however, sounded like a man. Then I woke up. My alarm went off and I saw that I was about to be late for school and the dream slipped out of my mind as I panicked getting ready for school. When I arrived to school on our third floor, us juniors shared a floor with the seniors, everything felt normal. I was chatting with friends and our first class started, and that's when I noticed a female ran out of the room towards the restroom. A few seconds later, we heard screaming inside the bathroom. Three male seniors ran to the restroom to check. Everyone on the floor stopped what they were doing.

• 50:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were all so curious what was happening. A few minutes later, one of the guys ran back to the room and informed the teacher, and later the teacher called for help from other classmates to drag this slim, small woman back to the classroom. Five guys, and these five guys looked like they were struggling to keep her from getting away.

• 50:56Corinne Vien?

  Good.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When they successfully got back to the room, they closed all the windows. And the teacher asked the other teachers from the other rooms, including ours, to tell us to stay inside of the rooms and to get a priest. As you can see, we were a Christian school, so my best friend's mother was a pastor. And so our teacher asked her if her mom could come. As all of this is happening, we could still hear the screaming inside of the classroom where this girl was. Then, one of our teachers who was gifted in tongues decided that all of us who are constantly leading Bible studies or prayer meetings go assist in that room to help pray and read the Bible. So it was me and my two best friends. I was hesitant at first, but still went inside. We positioned ourselves in a corner and started reading the Bible. We were there for about 15 minutes. And I decided to look up and check.

• 51:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a little like shaking.

• 51:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like a vibration.

• 51:44Corinne Vien?

  Is there something outside that's shaking it?

• 51:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. It sounds like it's like in the middle, it's like where that weird cracking noise came from. We positioned ourselves in a corner and started reading the Bible. We were there for about 15 minutes when we heard this woman start laughing instead of screaming. I looked up, I met her eyes, and I swear, everything went cold. She started smirking at me, laughing, staring directly at me.

• 52:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 52:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is when it clicked to me, my dream that I had the night before.

• 52:13Corinne Vien?

  Which is such a wild dream, because who just dreams of someone in their school being possessed and having an exorcism in the middle of the classroom?

• 52:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. As we stared at one another, she suddenly started thrashing again. And this time, she was trying to cut closer to me. That is when I ran out of the room. It's shaking so much.

• 52:33Corinne Vien?

  It's the jar of sage. Touched it and it stopped, so.

• 52:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe we need to do a cleansing of the room. Okay. So I ran out of the room, and the last thing I could hear was this laugh. And the eyes of whatever this entity was threw her staring at me. My best friend ran out after me and was like, why did you run out? I explained. And when I was explaining, I started crying and felt numb. I told her, I can't feel my hands, and I felt like dead cold. Despite her telling me to calm down, I couldn't. That is when her mother, the pastor, Arrived and saw me and immediately told my best friend to bring me downstairs as far away from whatever was happening as possible. Kid you not, the moment I stepped out of the school, everything felt light. About 30 minutes later, her mother called and told us the demon

• 53:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  was gone, but just to make sure I needed to stay away from the school grounds. So we decided to go home. The next day, that's when her mother talked to me and told me that I had a gift. Ever since then, I thought it was a curse. It's changed since then, but the end.

• 53:33Corinne Vien?

  You know how people say that no one has the unique experience in life? Hillary, I think you do.

• 53:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I think I'm the most boring person in the world.

• 53:42Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's like everything that you think that's like a weird thought or something strange about you. There's like a thousand other people that also think the same thing or do. I'm not sure how many people have this same experience like Hillary has.

• 53:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I feel like every listener from this episode.

• 53:58Corinne Vien?

  That's true. Although this is, this is exactly the point where this is going to come out. And then within a couple of weeks, we're going to get a bunch of emails being like, I thought I was the only one this happened to.

• 54:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you're listening, you're like, holy shit, I am a witch too, or I was born this way, baby.

• 54:15Corinne Vien?

  Baby, I was born this way.

• 54:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Then please email us at [email protected]. And if you heard the shift, if you heard the noise, if you could feel something, if you got some type of messaging that was, if you're a witch and you're like, those ghouls need to protect themselves or something, let us know because that was weird. That was a weird moment. We haven't had a moment like that in a long time.

• 54:39Corinne Vien?

  No. Well, I wouldn't say a long time. I feel like it was not that long ago.

• 54:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not caught on camera.

• 54:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I guess that's true. If you want to support our podcast, you can rate and review wherever you listen to podcasts. You can tell other people about us. You can also be in the know of what we do by following us on social media. You can join our Patreon for ad free, one week early episodes. We have bonus episode every single month. We have book club. We have campfire stories where we bring people up onstage with us live every Tuesday night.

• 55:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many things.

• 55:06Corinne Vien?

  So many different things.

• 55:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Follow us on social media, watch us on YouTube, listen to us wherever you listen to podcasts. And thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan, for editing this episode. And thank you to all of you.

• 55:17Corinne Vien?

  And we will.

• 55:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you on the other side.

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