KHC 120 - Sh*t Talkers Q&A

Join us for a conversation with Cameron Hanes and James G. Williams while they cover your questions from Instagram. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James (Gideon): https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/ Thank you to our sponsors: Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Timestamps: 00:00:00 F#$k, Marry, Kill: Gangster Rap, Country & Classic Rock 00:01:29 F#$k, Marry, Kill: 10Ks, Marathons & 100 Mile Races 00:03:26 F#$k, Marry, Kill Documentaries: Jordan, Tiger & Martha Stuart 00:04:31 If Sentenced to Death, Which Would You Choose & Last Meal be? 00:06:52 How Do We Get Donnie Vincent on the Podcast? 00:08:17 What Achievement are you Proud of? 00:09:21 Are You Excited for Spring Turkey Season? 00:11:53 Favorite Chapter in UNDENIABLE? 00:13:33 Does Pineapple Belong on Pizza? 00:15:14 Who the F#$k is Gideon (James)? 00:16:21 Truett or Matt Johnson: Who's Winning at Leadville Marathon? 00:19:39 Would you Rather Fight 10 Elk Sized Babies or 100 Baby Sized Elk? 00:21:29 What's Your Least Favorite Type of Hunting Influencer? 00:23:29 When is James Going to do a Lift. Run. Shoot? 00:25:04 Ad Break 00:26:56 Any Changes to Your Training for Cocodona? 00:31:06 What's Different About AZ Elk Hunting from Other States? 00:35:20 Other Random Questions 00:36:51 What’s Your Current Training Schedule? 00:39:52 What are Your Goals Over the Next 5 Years? 00:40:09 The Main Difference Between ENDURE & UNDENIABLE? 00:40:38 No Question, Just Hope to be on the Podcast Some Day. 00:41:02 Would You Teach Me How to Shoot a Bow? 00:51:06 Outro

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective, the great questions, stupid answers edition. You guys, you guys provided the questions. I sent them to J-Dog.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  BDJ.

• 0:28Cameron Hanes?

  Gideon. And now, I'm gonna have some stupid answers for these great questions.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  Okay, before we get into the guest questions, I had a couple of my own.

• 0:42Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  I got a, a three-piece, Mary kill for ya.

• 0:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  It's only fair you have to answer them.

• 0:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Okay. Mary kill, gangster rap, country, classic rock.

• 0:55Cameron Hanes?

  Ah, let's see. Um. Yeah, okay. Um, yeah. I'm gonna, gangster rap. It's a lot of fun. Uh, good time. Always down for a good time. Um, I'm gonna marry country. I mean, come on.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20Cameron Hanes?

  I gotta have that.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21Cameron Hanes?

  And then, yeah, we gotta get rid of classic rock. So.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Next.

• 1:28Cameron Hanes?

  Fairly easy. Okay.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Mary kill, 10Ks, marathons, 100 milers.

• 1:33Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh, um. 10Ks, 100 marathons, marathons, uh, or 100 milers. Let's see. Oh, yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't care at all about 10Ks.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you, okay, yeah, but you just said before, like, they hurt just as bad because you're pushing the whole time.

• 1:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they're terrible, but.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Kill them?

• 1:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, but. I mean, a lot of people are doing marathons, so anyone can do a 10K. That doesn't make you that cool.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Dang it.

• 2:09Cameron Hanes?

  If you're, if you're fast as hell, yeah. But yeah, just for a regular person doing a 10K, I mean, it's, it's good. It's good exercise. It's probably, you know, a good accomplishment for some. I'm a marathon. Definitely hurts, but it's cool to do like Boston, some of the epic ones. So I'm still like that. And then the hundreds are, you know, those are the icons.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  That was Larry's idea.

• 2:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's a good one.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Oh, it's good? No, it was mine.

• 2:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, so we'll, uh, I think we'll, um,

• 2:48Cameron Hanes?

  I, I don't know. I know, let me think. What do, who do I want to marry out of that? I guess we'll have to marry the marathon. And then, yeah, we'll 100 miles.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  The shit out of the 100.

• 2:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we'll bend them over. Uh, and then, yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Those 100 milers have been naughty.

• 3:08Cameron Hanes?

  You've been bad.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Call me daddy.

• 3:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I did ask her if she'd want to be on the podcast.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Oh, that'd be a great guest.

• 3:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so that's it.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Okay, this next one, I think I know, I think I know who you're gonna marry, but it's a toss up to the others. Documentaries. Jordan, Tiger, Martha Stewart.

• 3:36Cameron Hanes?

  Who, um, yeah.

• 3:41Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely, I don't really care about Tiger.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:44Cameron Hanes?

  So let's just kill him.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Dang it.

• 3:47Cameron Hanes?

  Martha Stewart.

• 3:54Cameron Hanes?

  Probably gotta her. I mean, she was pretty hot. But so just on principle.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Was she?

• 3:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 4:01Cameron Hanes?

  No, she was a model. She started off as a model.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Did not know that.

• 4:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So, and then she's feisty.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 4:09Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  She's also been knocked.

• 4:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So, um, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, Martha, always gotta have the Jordan Dock to go to for inspiration episode. Which one was that?

• 4:23Speaker 01

  It's six.

• 4:23Cameron Hanes?

  Six, I think, is the money one. And then, yeah, Tiger, whatever.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. Uh, final question of mine. There's a guy in South Carolina on Friday who's set to be executed by firing squad.

• 4:39Cameron Hanes?

  Nice. That is sick. I didn't know we were doing that.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  So, two questions out of this. One, which, uh, if you were sentenced to death, which one would you choose? And then.

• 4:51Cameron Hanes?

  Which way to die?

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think lethal injection.

• 4:55Cameron Hanes?

  I'd say it up, but not guys. Yeah.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Well, if you're in jail, I'm sure you're getting.

• 5:04Cameron Hanes?

  And I don't know how you get to death anyway.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  I don't want to find out. And then, uh, what would your final meal be?

• 5:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  It's gotta have In-N-Out.

• 5:17Cameron Hanes?

  Well, In-N-Out's good, but you know what? Like the guilty pleasure back in the day was extra crispy chicken from KFC. And then just kinda, you don't even really eat the meat.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, just the skin.

• 5:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just the skin. And then they had mashed potatoes and gravy and then like some biscuits. Probably sucked, but I thought it was good at that time. So, yeah, I mean, KFC, extra crispy. Um, pretty good. In-N-Out is damn good. You know, Taco Bell at the right time. And only a couple tacos, because once you get too many of them, then you're just like, what am I eating? But for a couple, with some nachos and a Mountain Dew, I can do that.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think the right time for Taco Bell is anytime after 12 at night.

• 6:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  If you're getting Taco Bell while it's still light. That's wrong with you.

• 6:14Cameron Hanes?

  I've done that plenty though. Um, yeah. So I think, yeah, if we could get some KFC up in there and then did, was the question, how do I want to be executed?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:25Cameron Hanes?

  Um.

• 6:28Cameron Hanes?

  It'd be kind of cool to get shot in the heart with an arrow.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  That'd be a sick way to die.

• 6:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 6:35Cameron Hanes?

  I think it'd be good for the, for the spectators too.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Maybe they should put an apple on your head just as a gimmick.

• 6:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Or just, yeah, tape an apple over my heart. So I don't know. I think that'd be kind of sick.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Good to know.

• 6:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Okay. All right. So now we're moving on to listeners' questions.

• 6:55Cameron Hanes?

  Good questions, by the way, Gideon.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Thank you. Um, first one. How do we get Donnie Vincent on your podcast?

• 7:05Cameron Hanes?

  How do we?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:06Cameron Hanes?

  Donnie.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Or what? We're on 24.

• 7:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 7:09Cameron Hanes?

  Here? Oh, Donnie. What's up? Let's get you on the pod.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Mr. Vincent.

• 7:14Cameron Hanes?

  No, I do like, yeah, Donnie, uh, I, I'm sure I've met him at the shows. I'm, I'm almost positive. I remember us standing there talking to him one time at somewhere with

• 7:26Cameron Hanes?

  Adam Foss or somebody, but, uh, this is a million years ago, but yeah, got a lot of respect for him. Does it right. Smart. So I don't know how we, it'd be like oil and water for us. Like he'd be smart. I'd be dumb. I don't really know what happens after that. But yeah, I just, I think, uh, he has a great take on hunting and, um, you know, just very, uh, insightful, introspective, puts out a great product, makes great films. So yeah, I'd love to have him on the pod.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  All right, Donnie. You heard it here first. You, you actually pointing to what camera to look at?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Good.

• 8:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, Donnie's a badass.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  All right. You're gonna love this question and I, I want an actual answer. What achievement of yours are you proud of?

• 8:22Cameron Hanes?

  What? Is that one?

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:25Cameron Hanes?

  Oh God. Nothing. I haven't done shit with my life. I'm waiting to do something. But if I was gonna, I'll go with the cliche is it's raise good kids.

• 8:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, that is a big one. It's, uh, I, you know, when people, yeah, I don't really know. I don't really know what a good accomplishment is. I don't think, I guess if you win like the Nobel Prize.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 8:56Cameron Hanes?

  That's pretty, pretty good. I don't think.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Is there a Nobel Prize for bow hunting?

• 9:01Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, uh, I think I left it in my other pants. I think there is and I got one.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:06Cameron Hanes?

  Um, so that's a pretty good one. But yeah, other than that, I don't know. I think it's just, you know, pretty happy with, uh, just having happy and healthy kids and, uh, they're successful. And so that feels good.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Hmm. All right. An even better question. Are you getting excited about spring turkey season?

• 9:26Cameron Hanes?

  Was that from Cordelia's?

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, I told him, I answered, actually answered that one to him.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Oh, did you?

• 9:35Cameron Hanes?

  And I just said, no, I'm not gay.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  But I am.

• 9:39Cameron Hanes?

  So are you excited for turkey season?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  The most excited.

• 9:44Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. And let's, uh, turkey hunters, settle down.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Everybody settle down.

• 9:49Cameron Hanes?

  It's just a joke. This is sort of like volume two of Shit Talkers Weekly. So don't, I don't want anybody to take any of this too personal. Please.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can, I'm already feeling the comments from people angry, angry grandpas.

• 10:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, turkey hunting is great. I don't, I don't care about it. It's fine. If you love it, great. Waddell, I know you love it. Drury's, I know you love it. And I know there's a challenge to like,

• 10:20Cameron Hanes?

  we are going to turkey hunt at some time. I mean, I think I said, I don't know if I said I would, but I won't, but I think I told them I would. But yeah, I don't have, I don't have anything against turkey hunting. It's just something funny to joke around about. I like to bear hunt better than turkey hunt. I will just say that in all seriousness.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, you know, who does like turkey hunting?

• 10:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, a lot of people.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Theo Von.

• 10:44Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know if he likes it. Yeah, I don't know if he likes it. I think he went. I saw him wearing sunglasses and it was like still dark. He was tired.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 10:55Cameron Hanes?

  That was for people that don't know, uh, go watch Waddell's Turkey Hunt with Theo. It's pretty funny.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  It's hilarious.

• 11:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's pretty funny. I love, I love both those guys. I don't want, oh man. I don't, one time I wrote something in Eastman's that maybe we talked about it here, but I said, I felt sorry for people that only had deer and turkey, like people back east and the south because we have so much here. So I said, I felt sorry for them because, you know, they only had those two things to hunt. And man, people got really worked up.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  People get worked up. It's kind of a trend.

• 11:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's, is, does it matter? Does it? I mean, it's not like I said elk hunting sucks. Now, if I say elk hunting sucks, you, you know, string me up.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Well, I was gonna say, we might have to do a welfare check on you if you're saying that.

• 11:45Cameron Hanes?

  Or if anyone says that, they're complete idiots, but.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  All right. Um, what is your favorite chapter in your new book?

• 11:57Cameron Hanes?

  I hate my new book.

• 12:00Cameron Hanes?

  Is that a trick question?

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:03Cameron Hanes?

  Um, favorite chapter.

• 12:07Cameron Hanes?

  Man, no, I, I don't, I hate my parts of my new book, but, uh, I had so many cool people that, um, it's, it's basically, this is like me reading my book. I can't talk, but, uh, it's basically lessons I've learned from these outliers and, um, just kind of what, how they've reached a pinnacle of what they do. So yeah, every chapter has, I mean, so many good lessons. And yeah, I mean, if I had to pick one, I think there's 10 chapters or I know there is 10, 10 chapters. Should've just had to read every fucking one of them.

• 12:45Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, there's great parts in there from, you know, Rogan, Ken Rideout, Huberman, Courtney, Derek Wolfe, Chris Williamson. It's, man, it's just jelly roll. It's awesome.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  And a limited edition Gideon edition, you know?

• 13:06Cameron Hanes?

  There's a whole, I mean, that's gonna be a whole, it's like five chapters, your part, but that's gonna be a whole series, like of the volume, the Gideon volumes.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. The Gideon volumes. Perfect.

• 13:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So you, I, what I meant to say was your section.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 13:25Cameron Hanes?

  Who's my favorite?

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Uh, that's a terrible question. Um, let's see. Does pineapple belong on pizza?

• 13:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I love pineapple.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Do you actually?

• 13:38Cameron Hanes?

  I do.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 13:39Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I know. That's a, that's a hot take right there.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get worked up now.

• 13:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Oh, you're getting pissed?

• 13:45Speaker 01

  You, you think you're hot shit, don't you?

• 13:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly. That's just a sign of it. Pineapple on pizza. No, and I like a lot of pineapple on pizza.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Just eat the pineapple.

• 13:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, but it's good. So light sauce.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:03Cameron Hanes?

  Light cheese.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Heavy cheese.

• 14:08Cameron Hanes?

  You fat fuck.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  You lost me.

• 14:11Cameron Hanes?

  Light sauce, light cheese, extra pineapple. And even if they want to put pepperoni on it, fuck it. Let's do it. Let's do that, too.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Okay. Do you like, are you a pineapple on pizza guy?

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Nah, just extra meat for me.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Hold the pizza.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  All the meat, no pizza, no sauce. Preferably sausage shaped.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Are you sure you want to hold the sauce?

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Until I'm finished with the meat.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Okay, along those lines, this isn't a question, but someone says, oil up.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Have you seen that?

• 14:49Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  There's a trend where people ask their favorite influencers, I think it's mostly fitness influencers to oil up. So.

• 14:57Cameron Hanes?

  So they want me to oil up?

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. New shoot.

• 15:03Cameron Hanes?

  Well, Brandon is gonna be here tomorrow.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:05Cameron Hanes?

  So we could get some cinematic shots.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Boiling.

• 15:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Oh, these are from mine. This is a good one. Maybe I missed it, but who the are you?

• 15:18Cameron Hanes?

  Am I? Oh, you? Yeah, that's a good question.

• 15:24Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, for those that don't know, Gideon is the mastermind behind these hunting films.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Uh, and I'm also a hobbit master.

• 15:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  That's what I'd really like to be known for.

• 15:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:36Cameron Hanes?

  Really? What does that entail?

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Um, you know, I.

• 15:44Cameron Hanes?

  Just bossing around hobbits?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Well, I live with one.

• 15:49Cameron Hanes?

  So you just make him do chores and stuff all the time?

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Cameron Hanes?

  He just comes in there, buh buh buh boss?

• 16:07Speaker 01

  What can I do for you, buh buh boss?

• 16:11Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:13Cameron Hanes?

  Well, that's good to know.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Chores and pleasure.

• 16:15Cameron Hanes?

  So there you go. That's, that's what you do.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's who I am. Now you know.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Who wins? This is actually, I think Truitt put this up on his, uh, story. Who's gonna win between him and Matt? John sent it to Leadville.

• 16:29Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm. Matt is, uh, he's definitely carrying less body weight. So he's gonna be more efficient. We'll see if, uh, I don't know. I mean, Truitt is.

• 16:43Cameron Hanes?

  Both of them are very focused. Um, very uh, health oriented these days, you know, I know. Uh, yeah, I think Matt, I don't really know his whole story, but I know he's really found running and gravitated towards it and had a lot of success. I know he won a hundred miler. Fastest known time across Texas. I think it's 450 miles or something like that, or 800 shit. I don't know now, but uh, yeah, good guy, good runner, Truitt. Uh, yeah, I mean, he's got all the talent in the world for running. We'll see if he can drop the body weight and if he gets up in the mountains there outside of where he lives and gets some,

• 17:29Cameron Hanes?

  you know, his, the, the running on flat fast, like for these road marathons is not going to help in Leadville.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I voted for Matt just because Truitt voted against me in the 50K.

• 17:41Cameron Hanes?

  Did he? Against you versus Eric?

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Hater.

• 17:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he is a hater.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:47Cameron Hanes?

  So I don't know. Who, who are you going with? Oh, you said Matt?

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Matt.

• 17:50Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, um.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Purely out of spite.

• 17:57Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Truitt's, so Matt's done a hundred miler in 19 hours. I saw that. Truitt did one in 32.

• 18:08Cameron Hanes?

  He wa, he wasn't trained up. That makes a big difference. Um, Truitt focused is he's hard to doubt.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Has he been getting miles in, in the mountains?

• 18:19Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  So.

• 18:22Cameron Hanes?

  But it's, that's not till August.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:24Cameron Hanes?

  So he's got time.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Well, I'd have to start now.

• 18:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's got time. He's, he's in great shape though. So it's not like he doesn't have a good base.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  No. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see.

• 18:34Cameron Hanes?

  I saw he started his YouTube series.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 18:38Cameron Hanes?

  Or, I don't know if he started, did he start it?

• 18:40Speaker 01

  He's going to, he announced it.

• 18:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Yeah. Sub 30 is the goal.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:45Cameron Hanes?

  Sub 230.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Sub 30 marathon?

• 18:49Cameron Hanes?

  Sub 230. So in the two twenties, which is, I think it's like five 43s.

• 18:58Cameron Hanes?

  26.2.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  That is, I can't even comprehend that.

• 19:02Cameron Hanes?

  That is running.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  I don't know if I can run that for one.

• 19:05Cameron Hanes?

  That is running.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Actually, I know I can't.

• 19:08Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, no, you couldn't.

• 19:12Cameron Hanes?

  That basically feels like you're sprinting.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if I can even sprint that fast, so.

• 19:17Cameron Hanes?

  So the guys that do it, that look like they're jogging, their strides are about, I don't know, 10 foot long. So it looks like they're just, oh, they're jogging. But then if you tried to see where their foot placement was, they're just so efficient and just relaxed and long strides, they just eat up ground.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do make it look easy, but it's definitely not. Um, this is a good one. Would you rather fight 10 elk-sized babies? Or 100 baby-sized elk?

• 19:53Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, let's see, elk-sized babies or? Hmm, I feel like, yeah, 100 baby-sized elk, that would seem overwhelming. That would be hectic. And the babies, it's like, even if they're big, they're worthless. A human baby is the most worthless thing in the world. I mean, you know, when an elk is born, or a deer is born, or whatever, an animal's born, they're like up, walking around, pretty damn, they're running in like a few hours. A baby, completely worthless for years.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you catch a couple with, you know, anger issues.

• 20:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but they got soft skulls. I mean, I, I really think, yeah, and I mean, I know their bones are, would be hard to break. I think they're soft when they're little, but uh, it'd be no muscle tone. No muscle tone. So you know, like a body shot or a leg kick? Just baby up.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Until he gets a hold of you and gums you.

• 21:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, baby, they're giant, weak babies.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  I'd

• 21:21Cameron Hanes?

  him up.

• 21:26Cameron Hanes?

  It's a good question.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. What's your least favorite?

• 21:32Speaker 01

  What's your least, it says each of your least favorite type of hunting influencer?

• 21:38Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I hate hunting influencers who are full of shit and lie.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  That's a good one. Yeah, I hate Nate Illingsworth.

• 21:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:48Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think he, does he lie?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  No, I just hate him.

• 21:51Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's all right. I mean,

• 21:54Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, I think he's good to hate.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess at the last show expo or whatever, I don't even know which one it was. People were asking him if he and I were friends. So we're not doing a good job of selling the, uh, the beef.

• 22:06Cameron Hanes?

  Are you dating? Or are you still just friends?

• 22:10Speaker 01

  We're gonna have to edit this out.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  He's taken me on a couple of nice dates.

• 22:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's getting shredded.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a little worried, actually.

• 22:19Cameron Hanes?

  Why, why?

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Well, he can bench more than me.

• 22:22Cameron Hanes?

  Is it, do you have a contest?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  We haven't come up with one yet. We need to. Yeah. But he can definitely bench and squat more than me.

• 22:29Cameron Hanes?

  Would you rather fight 10 baby sized Nate Illingsworth? Or 100?

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Nate sized babies?

• 22:40Speaker 01

  He's just one giant man baby, so.

• 22:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I mean, so he is, is he a hunting influencer too?

• 22:51Speaker 01

  I think he's a, he's a CrossFit influencer now, right?

• 22:54Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, oh, yeah, cuz he was with Rich Froni.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:57Cameron Hanes?

  They're doing workouts. I think he, I mean, obviously, he could win CrossFit.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Well, I think he's gonna win the open this year, yeah.

• 23:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he could, yeah, he could definitely win CrossFit.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  But my plan is to maybe, you know, do some fast eating challenges first in the competition. So then he reverts back to his old habits.

• 23:17Cameron Hanes?

  And gets fat real quick? What are you gonna eat? What's your eating contest?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Hot dogs.

• 23:22Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God. You go with your strength.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Someone asked if, oh, they want to know when I'm doing a lift, run, shoot. Actually, they want to see me pop a balloon. We've shot before, once in Austin.

• 23:39Cameron Hanes?

  I know. You actually didn't shoot bad. Did you almost beat me?

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, by like a two millimeters.

• 23:45Cameron Hanes?

  Like a tit hair.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  By the hair on my tit.

• 23:48Cameron Hanes?

  No, I know. You surprised me with that one.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  I'd surprise myself, so.

• 23:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, I think we know. So you have run with me before?

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:59Cameron Hanes?

  You have lifted?

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:02Cameron Hanes?

  So we can just get all that footage put together.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Oh, and it's all of you. I need a camera on me while I'm filming.

• 24:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nobody wants to see your worthless ass. Do they?

• 24:12Speaker 01

  I don't want to see it either.

• 24:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:15Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, that's unanimous.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  But someone asked on yours too, when I was doing a lift, run, shoot. So maybe they do. That's two people.

• 24:21Cameron Hanes?

  Was it you? Is it you asking both those times?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Answered my own question. We'd have three views, those two and my mom.

• 24:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and would there be anybody else?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Definitely not my dad.

• 24:37Cameron Hanes?

  No, he hates you.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  We sent him a text after he was here. No response until last night, and then he just sent me a picture of my nephew. Then that's it.

• 24:51Cameron Hanes?

  That's been a couple of weeks, hasn't it? Yeah. Hey, you gotta mend those bridges.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 24:59Cameron Hanes?

  It's all right. It's a process.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Is this therapy now?

• 25:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's all right.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Anything you're planning to do differently or keep the same for Cocaladona compared to Bigfoot or Moab? I mean, it's been a little while.

• 25:14Cameron Hanes?

  Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, I was like half my age the last time I did a 200.

• 25:22Cameron Hanes?

  Anything I do differently? I hope I'm in better shape because both those were fucking brutal.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Do you feel like you are?

• 25:31Cameron Hanes?

  No, I feel like, I feel like every time I go running, this is the first run I've ever been on. So, and then it, you know, when they said, hey, do you want to do Cocaladona?

• 25:46Cameron Hanes?

  It was like, you know, five months till the race, six months? Yeah, that sounds good. God.

• 25:55Cameron Hanes?

  I had all these big plans like, oh, six months, I'm going to be in the best shape of my life. So now we're, what are we, two months?

• 26:03Speaker 01

  May.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Two, two and a half.

• 26:07Cameron Hanes?

  So I guess I better start getting in shape. Yeah, I don't know. I did 21 today. With 3,000 foot of gain, so 2,000 foot of gain yesterday, so I'm trying.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, we'll see, I guess. I'm trying to get in shape, too.

• 26:25Cameron Hanes?

  Everyone's gonna see, unfortunately.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  A shape. Yeah, everyone's gonna be tracking you.

• 26:29Cameron Hanes?

  Fuck. That's the worst part of it.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Mario is like, I might just fly down there because he wants to help.

• 26:35Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:37Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man. Well, that's the thing about it is help is awesome, but you know what help doesn't do? Run any miles for you.

• 26:50Cameron Hanes?

  So all, you can have 100 fucking people there. You still got to run 250 miles yourself. So, I mean, it's good. I, you know, I appreciate the help and support. Rihanna's got this whole and chart, all this stuff, like aid stations and.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  AIDS?

• 27:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, you get AIDS at all these stations and, um, yeah, so it's, it's great. Other than the fact that I still have to run for three days straight.

• 27:20Cameron Hanes?

  Well, if we could skip that part.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Just skip it. Fuck them.

• 27:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I, and plus there's a bunch of super fast, best runners in the history of ultra running will be there. So.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  So, but you're gonna win. Right?

• 27:38Cameron Hanes?

  I'm, I'm trying to get a finish.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  You have to for the film.

• 27:44Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, you don't have to.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Well, I want it. We need that and, you know, a weather event and then we're good.

• 27:51Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. What, our weather event's been carrying our films lately.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Well, because the rest of it is ass.

• 27:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So Alyssa Rain and Hanes doing something. People did like Katie's.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Surprisingly.

• 28:04Cameron Hanes?

  Even she said, I, I mean, this off the record, but she said, James did a good job. I'm like, nah.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  I paid her.

• 28:13Cameron Hanes?

  I don't. I don't think so.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Her and I need to set up that boxing match, by the way.

• 28:19Cameron Hanes?

  I saw, she reposted that.

• 28:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I I had Macy take out the last part of um I didn't want some joke you said at the end of the shit talkers to make it uncomfortable for her to listen to. So I took I had her edit that part out. I go, I don't really want KD to I don't want this visual to be uncomfortable for people. So I'm not even gonna mention what I actually I think was I'm

• 28:55Speaker 01

  gonna let you throw me under the bus.

• 28:57Cameron Hanes?

  I'm gonna I'm just gonna blame you. Yeah, I mean, what you said was completely unacceptable.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  How dare I? That's my fault.

• 29:08Cameron Hanes?

  It's actually disappointing.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Someone wants to let you know this is something. If you'll let us tattoo you live on the podcast.

• 29:18Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Connor and I.

• 29:20Cameron Hanes?

  You guys are gonna tattoo me? Oh, I thought it was like a real artist. I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  That would be sick.

• 29:26Cameron Hanes?

  I don't care. I'll get a neck tat.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Oh, they're gonna say ass.

• 29:29Cameron Hanes?

  Let's go. Well, do do both.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Just lay right here.

• 29:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we'll do both. Yeah, no, I'd do it.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  All right. It's good to know. Um, what about Arizona? Elk hunting is different from any other state.

• 29:44Cameron Hanes?

  The bulls are giant. I mean, yeah, I mean, elk or elk, I don't care where you're hunting. It's a, you know, it's a species that's been around a long time. So it's not like they changed from state to state. They're pretty much the behavior is fairly similar. Um, but yeah, they're just, you know, they do a good job of, well, the habitat's great. The uh, whatever grows big bulls is good. The winters must be good down there. If you get some moisture, or I mean, the winters aren't crazy like in the Rockies up here. But if you get some moisture in the spring and and uh, you know, they had good moisture through the winter, you can get some giant bulls. So generally, it's just

• 30:27Cameron Hanes?

  the size and the bodies, the heads, the antlers, everything seems bigger to me, just as as an animal. Um, but how they react and respond, it seemed seemed similar to me. What did you think?

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Just formulating my expert opinion.

• 30:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  On the matter.

• 30:48Cameron Hanes?

  You did go on four elk hunts, didn't you this year?

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Most of it I was blacked out for.

• 30:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I, I agree with everything you just said.

• 30:59Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, it, it felt like just elk hunting to me. I don't know about you.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly how it felt to me, too.

• 31:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, the difference, you know, sitting in water is pretty unique and down there just because of the, the climate, it's dry. Those bulls during the rut, they burn, you know, they're moving around, they're burning a lot of fluid, they're wasting, they're not, or they're expending a lot of energy trying to find hot cows, so they need to hit the water. That is a big, that's why, how I killed that giant one right there. And that, I haven't really done that before, so that is a little different.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I was at water in Montana, but it's so hit or miss. It's like, that it seemed like it was, you know, like clockwork.

• 31:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, in the evenings, if you got, if the wind's good, like, you know, we got up in that, or I got up in that tree, you got seven miles back.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Seven miles back and in a hole.

• 31:53Cameron Hanes?

  In a hole, yeah, covered up with dirt and sticks and, yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Cum.

• 32:01Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what you're doing there, but I guess that explains it. That's why the film was so shitty.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:08Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, it's a, uh, yeah, if you can, I don't know, pay attention to the wind, get a break on the wind, and get in a position where those bulls aren't going to see you, because anything coming into water is going to be more.

• 32:24Cameron Hanes?

  Seems like you're distracted.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  I'm just thinking about being rolling around in dirt and sticks.

• 32:35Cameron Hanes?

  Don't say it. Yeah, you're like a almond roca.

• 32:44Cameron Hanes?

  But it's that cum that's making all that shit stick to you instead of chocolate or.

• 32:54Cameron Hanes?

  You're an almond cum roca.

• 33:03Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, that was you. I just needed a little tinfoil wrapping paper to put around you.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  What the hell happened to James?

• 33:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that, oh, that big piece of almond roca right there? That is James.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Ah, okay, sorry.

• 33:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  I was distracted.

• 33:26Cameron Hanes?

  Um, can't remember what I say now.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  How do you push through muscle fatigue when running? What do you say to yourself?

• 33:34Cameron Hanes?

  I have no idea. I blackout.

• 33:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:43Cameron Hanes?

  Try to get distracted and find a good podcast, which are our nine.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Someone asks.

• 33:51Cameron Hanes?

  That was what, that was a question?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:53Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  TJ Hickey.

• 33:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know who that is. Well.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Terrible work TJ.

• 33:59Cameron Hanes?

  Appreciate you though. Thanks for the prayers. He's praying, right? Or is that a high five?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  It's, oh.

• 34:03Cameron Hanes?

  I use it as a high, as a prayer.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:06Cameron Hanes?

  I'm screwed up.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  I think it's a prayer. That's how I've always seen it.

• 34:08Cameron Hanes?

  Some people say it's too, it's high fiving.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  When's the next time you're training with Goggins?

• 34:15Cameron Hanes?

  Whenever he's ready, I'm down. Yeah, he's super busy.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  This is actually, uh, come and run an ultra in Iceland in June.

• 34:26Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  It could be, I mean, this is pretty sick, right?

• 34:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I'd like to do that.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Hengel Ultra.

• 34:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  7th of June.

• 34:35Cameron Hanes?

  What? Does it say the distance?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:38Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be super cool.

• 34:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. This says Utah elk hunt tips and tricks. Just be ready.

• 34:47Cameron Hanes?

  It's elk hunting, so they're pretty good at not allowing people to get within bow range. It's not too much different than bow hunting anything.

• 34:59Cameron Hanes?

  Um, what is the current training schedule? Well, current training schedule, getting ready for a 250 mile race is lots of miles. And I wish I was getting in more, but the goal is 100 miles a week. Uh, I think this week so far I have 78 miles and 11,000 feet of gain. So, uh, there's kind of a dilemma with getting a bunch of miles. I can go flat on the bike path, say, and run 20 miles in a couple of hours. But 20 miles on the mountain will take four hours.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  For some, for some of us.

• 35:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So it's, uh, yeah. It's when you got the goal of getting 100 miles, it's really tempting to want to just bust out the fast, the fast ones, but that doesn't help your legs. So I'm trying to do fast. Did a couple of fast days with not much climbing this week. And then the last three days have done. Yeah, I've done all my 11,000 feet in three days. So that definitely. Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Who all is coming to, uh, do the Grand Canyon?

• 36:14Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, I don't know. Taylor and somebody else.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Nick, the trainer dude coming?

• 36:18Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think so.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 36:19Cameron Hanes?

  No. Um, yeah. So then, then it's just a matter of also just big days on your feet. So Courtney and I, well, James made a great film on Courtney and I's 100 mile in three days. That turned out good.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone really loved it.

• 36:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they loved that. Um, so that was big days on the feet. And then like the Grand Canyon will be 50 miles, 11,000 feet in that one day. Um, that's what it takes.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's going to be brutal. I'm thinking about that, how we're going to film that.

• 36:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Rihanna asked me and I said, probably not.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Filming it?

• 36:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:57Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Unless we can figure out a way to do it.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  I know. Cause I'm no way I'm running that with a camera.

• 37:04Cameron Hanes?

  I know. That's what I'm worried about. I mean, you could get, going down to the river isn't hard.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then just hike out, die.

• 37:13Cameron Hanes?

  Well.

• 37:16Cameron Hanes?

  But you'd want, so if you got going down to the river and then we go up to the north side, and then you could just hang out like at Phantom Ranch, which is in the bottom. That's where there's lemonade and shit everybody goes to, but that's only like, I think, eight miles. And then we gotta go 12 to the north rim from there, or at least 12, and then back.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  And then wait for you.

• 37:40Cameron Hanes?

  And then out. So, I mean, we could, we would just miss the north rim.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but if you got some clips here and there or on your phone or something.

• 37:48Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  So we can put a little caption in there that says, get in as a fat ass, can't film the rest.

• 37:57Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, do we need to say, I think people know that.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  People know, yeah.

• 38:00Cameron Hanes?

  What is your big goals in the next five years? I'm, all I think about is tomorrow.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Hardly even that.

• 38:08Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, yeah, tonight, basically. I, I do not think about anything in the future, so.

• 38:17Cameron Hanes?

  The main difference between Endure and Undeniable, completely different books, whole different themes. Everything, Endure is my story, Undeniable is

• 38:28Cameron Hanes?

  how winners become outliers and the best in the world at what they do. So it's a whole, whole different theme to that.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Undeniable also has way better photos in it.

• 38:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, James did some great, great photos from James in there, I will, will admit.

• 38:47Cameron Hanes?

  No question, just hope to be a guest on the show someday. Keep up the good work. Well, I get a lot of, uh, get a lot of questions or offers for people to come on the show. And I was just, all I would say is just keep hammering, make a name for yourself, start doing kick ass shit, and then I want to talk to you about it.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  That's what I did.

• 39:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's why James is here.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, get.

• 39:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, any plans to come hunt B C this year? No, no plans yet. Would you teach me how to shoot a bow? I would teach anyone how to shoot a bow. And here's one thing, I want to say this because

• 39:27Cameron Hanes?

  I think I went on a rant before about dumb.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think a couple, maybe, but I could be wrong.

• 39:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I would teach. I don't think people understand.

• 39:40Cameron Hanes?

  I want, I don't care who the they are. I want them to shoot a bow. I would teach RuPaul how to shoot a bow. I do not care. I don't care what you look like, what you do, who you are. I don't give a I think archery and doing shit like that can can change people's lives. So I'm not judging people. I'm not like some of these dumb on here. And I'm not saying I've never judged people. I judge people all the time. But when it comes to archery and sharing my passion, I don't judge anyone. I don't care. I don't care what you do, what you look like, who you are, anything. So, man, so on in that vein, seeing some of the comments about people

• 40:22Cameron Hanes?

  just that are, you know, like a Travis Barker type, or I don't know, I've had all different types on on the podcast. And then another thing that drives me crazy is people, a brand new archer. And to teach somebody how to shoot a bow, there's about 100 different things you got to. I mean, when you've never done it before, I'm telling them so many things. So all I'm trying to do is just let's get the arrow going the right way.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:50Cameron Hanes?

  Let's not accidentally hit punch the trigger and have an arrow go through somebody's head over there standing there watching. Or so it's just, it's just the basics. And then you get these dumb that are just judging people like they've been doing, like they're looking at me doing it. And people still talk shit about how I shoot. I don't even shoot right. So how you got a Travis Barker who that day he shot.

• 41:16Cameron Hanes?

  Twenty arrows, maybe?

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:18Cameron Hanes?

  He only had, he didn't have very long.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:20Cameron Hanes?

  Twenty arrows and people are like looking at him, having all these comments about inform and shit like that. It's like, oh my God, you guys are so goddamn stupid.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Cause I think part of it is like, or some people are like, oh, I know more than this person. So they, it almost gives them a feeling of being better.

• 41:39Cameron Hanes?

  Superiority. It's just like, oh, I'm gonna make this comment and then I'm gonna be like, they'll feel better because they're like, yeah, I commented on Cam's page about Travis Barker. It's like, yeah, nobody gives a fuck about you. Nobody cares about what you say. And so when you say that, I'll just block and delete you. Then I never have to, because the way I look at it is if you're so dumb that that's what you have to offer, you're never gonna offer me anything, anything.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:08Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, if that's a level of, of what you contribute, I'm not missing shit. You will never give me something that's like, oh, that's, that's, man, that's interesting. I didn't realize that. You're just and so stupid. It's gonna be a bunch of comments like that for as long as you're on my page. So you're gone.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Bye bye.

• 42:28Cameron Hanes?

  Oh my God. I don't know if you could tell, but sort of irritates me. Cause it's like, if we want fucking bow hunting to be around for a while, we need new bow hunters. Or not even bow hunters, but people who understand archery and bow hunting to be, so they can, when they're in their circle of people talking about influence or talking about things they've learned or different perspectives, maybe they'll bring, bring up, hey, I shot a bow one time to this one guy and whatever. And it's like, that's, so that's how we gain support for what we do.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  It is. It's interesting. I mean, you think about like other, you know, lifestyles or hobbies. And of course, there's always gonna be a little gatekeeping, but for archery, it seems so bad for some reason. I'm trying to think of another, something that's just as bad.

• 43:23Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know if part of it is it's it's competitive, um, public land, you know, it's a, it's a grind. You are competing with other guys. You hate to see other people. So if that just, that influences, like anytime you see another bow hunter, is it because of these feelings you have in the mountain? When you're chasing this dream, you've been, you know, you've had for years or decades or whatever. And then, so people are essentially the enemy to this dream, right? So maybe that carries over in some weird way psych- psychology psychologically? I don't, I don't know shit, but

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Brain wise.

• 44:04Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe it's like anytime they see somebody new in their head, that's like, it's a competition type trigger. And so they need to shit on them a little. I don't know.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:17Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I don't know. I, I try to,

• 44:22Cameron Hanes?

  oh, man, it's really, really frustrating for me. And I, I think some people,

• 44:30Cameron Hanes?

  maybe they're saying that shit and I don't, I don't even know. I just don't like it because if Travis, who he was already unsure about, it's brand new for him. And also he said, am I holding this bow right? Because, you know, like skateboarders, if you hold the skateboard wrong, you're going to get ripped.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:49Cameron Hanes?

  And so there is, I guess that's a little gatekeeping in skateboarding too. But, uh, I just didn't want him to be like already unsure. It's already a new thing. Already like, you know, I said, man, you shot great. He's like, I did? You know, he's excited.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:03Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't want him reading a bunch of retarded comments about his form when he doesn't even, he's never even pulled back a bow. So then all of a sudden he's reading, it's like, God dang, these guys are kind of dicks and hunters.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:18Cameron Hanes?

  So can we afford that?

• 45:20Speaker 01

  No, but also, I mean, he reads some of that. The last thing he's going to want to do is shoot a bow again.

• 45:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's like, guys, how dumb are we as a group? Are we really that dumb?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Maybe we should take a sample size, see average IQ test.

• 45:36Cameron Hanes?

  It'd be like six.

• 45:39Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I'm six, so I know what it is.

• 45:44Cameron Hanes?

  I just don't, I mean.

• 45:48Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even know.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  I mean, it's the shit talkers weekly rants are allowed.

• 45:55Cameron Hanes?

  That was definitely a rant.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I don't know. I just think that that's a big issue we have in our community. And I just think.

• 46:08Cameron Hanes?

  I would hope I would hope we'd be smarter than that, but sure doesn't doesn't seem like it.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, climbing is pretty bad, but I'm thinking like the gym. It's not like people are going up to random people and like, hey, let me offer some advice on your form. Like no one does that.

• 46:22Cameron Hanes?

  Usually not. No.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Usually everyone's pretty supportive. I don't know.

• 46:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, that's what I said on one of those. I made some IG story posts and I'm like, is that hard to be cool and supportive? Is that, is that hard? Can you just say, ah, that's awesome. Travis Barker shooting a bow. Awesome. Great job.

• 46:42Cameron Hanes?

  That doesn't seem hard.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:44Cameron Hanes?

  And you know how far that goes?

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, man. I guess people do shit on people, gym culture, at least on Instagram. So it's just the internet. Is it is a place for people to make anonymous?

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Comments.

• 46:59Cameron Hanes?

  I don't. I never really go to other pages and talk shit.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Well, no.

• 47:05Cameron Hanes?

  I don't.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  But.

• 47:06Cameron Hanes?

  I don't see the point. I mean. I mean, so is it? It's not mandatory. Is that you don't have, do you have to do that? Do you have to be an idiot?

• 47:18Speaker 01

  I do. I have to. I have to be an idiot.

• 47:22Cameron Hanes?

  I just want people, hey, let's. I want to get, like I said, I want to get a bow in everybody's hand. I don't care if they bow hunt. I just think archery is cool and it's. Yeah. Therapeutic. I was talking to Travis about this. For busy people, when you're distracted by life's challenges, when you get out there and. Shoot a few arrows. It's like, that's all you're thinking about. So it's great in that regard. And I think it just would help society and just expose people to a great way of life. And if someday they want to hunt or talk to hunters about why hunting is important or why they love it, that's great. So that's, that's all I want to do. I just, you know, bow hunting and

• 48:04Cameron Hanes?

  archery has changed my life. So I'd like to offer that same potential to others and without them having to deal with all the baggage and of negativity. And, you know, I know, you know, people criticize me forever about you don't need to run marathons to kill an elk. So I mean, I've been criticized by my own community for decades. And I know how it feels. I mean, it didn't change me at all, but I have a different mindset than maybe somebody who's just coming in, who lives in LA, who doesn't understand just how hunters are, I guess. You

• 48:45Cameron Hanes?

  know, I, I was used to it because I lived in a small town. Everybody talks shit about everybody. It's just, so it wasn't a big shock. But for people who aren't used to that type of culture, it's like, yeah, it'd be a big turn off.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I definitely would agree. So.

• 49:08Cameron Hanes?

  Well said.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Thank you. I have many words.

• 49:13Cameron Hanes?

  All right. Yeah. I mean, that's a Q and A. Yeah. So the takeaways are.

• 49:23Cameron Hanes?

  Donnie Vincent, where are you at?

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Donnie Vincent, yeah. And a tattoo artist.

• 49:28Cameron Hanes?

  And tattoo, yeah, I need a neck tat.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I got one in mind.

• 49:31Cameron Hanes?

  A neck tat?

• 49:32Speaker 01

  No, a tattoo artist.

• 49:33Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Sasha.

• 49:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh yeah, she's good.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  She is a really good artist. She'd definitely do it too.

• 49:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, she's a badass. She bow hunts.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 49:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:42Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, so.

• 49:46Cameron Hanes?

  The big goal for next week is are we going to get Theo Vaughn on here?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  We have to.

• 49:52Cameron Hanes?

  Cause he's in town.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  We've been thinking of a good [__] kill for Theo.

• 49:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Well, it's hard. What are you supposed to ask?

• 50:03Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, you can come up with something. And you know what else I was, I was also want to talk to, uh, I was gonna send him a message today. But Ben Blankenship, so now he's been doing ultras. So I want to ask him, what's harder? The Olympics, making the Olympics, or winning an ultra? Cause I think he got second in an ultra. But man, if you just look on paper, you'd think like, oh my God, this guy's gonna crush every [__] race.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:30Cameron Hanes?

  He's an Olympian. And so I want to get his perspective on what's been the biggest challenge.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  I think that'd be really interesting.

• 50:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think it'd be awesome. Cause he's just a lifelong runner. And now he's got, you know, been one of the best in the world. On the Olympic stage in the 1500 and now taking his, you know, talents and skills to the ultra. And had a lot of success, but I just want to find out, maybe, maybe he's won, he probably has won. I know he's done a few races and I know he got second, I think in his first hundred, which is impressive.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm trying to remember which one that was. I know it had like that track section and then it went out of the loop.

• 51:06Cameron Hanes?

  It was back in Pennsylvania.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So those are the goals, Theo. We'll see you next week.

• 51:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  And, uh, Donnie Vincent, don't be an idiot.

• 51:18Cameron Hanes?

  Ben Blankenship.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Ben Blankenship.

• 51:20Cameron Hanes?

  Truah Haynes.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Can we say fag?

• 51:25Cameron Hanes?

  It sounds like you did. I also thought that we could have Branlon and Caleb on to talk about what they think makes good content.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Hmm. That'd be interesting.

• 51:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't want to do any of this shit they're here to do. So

• 51:43Cameron Hanes?

  might as well do something I want to do. All right.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:46Cameron Hanes?

  That's it. That's a wrap. Connor, anything? Any closing words?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  I got a joke.

• 51:54Cameron Hanes?

  Let's hear it.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  All right.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Will this one make it?

• 51:57Cameron Hanes?

  Don't let your me love.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  I think this one's gonna make it. This one's a quick one.

• 52:01Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  So everybody knows New York is the big apple. Does anyone know where Minneapolis?

• 52:17Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Well, that's all we got for the Keep Hammer Collective Q and A edition. We got great questions, retarded answers from your host. What, did you have something else?

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Well, I think you could have said, no, I'm an idiot. I just fucked it up.

• 52:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I was always dirt.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  You're gonna pay for that later.

• 52:45Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys. Thanks for the questions. Keep hammering.