Pod Insights Dumb Blonde TBT: Fefe Dobson - The Woman I've Become About this episode Throwback Thursday
Bunnie’s first-ever guest, the iconic Fefe Dobson, returns for a long-overdue reunion this week. Fefe talks about taking a break from music to save her sanity, touring with Avril, and how video games became her unexpected therapy. She opens up about keeping her private life with longtime partner Yelawolf lowkey, navigating fame, and the story behind naming an album after her mom’s stripper name. Fefe also shares why leather pants will always be her thing, and what she’s manifesting next - including new music and a movie.
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1:52 Bunnie XO? Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today is really special for me because the first guest that I ever had on the podcast is now sitting on my couch in the new studio in season nine, my dear friend, Ms. Fifi Dobson.
2:11 Speaker 02 Oh, hey, girl.
2:12 Bunnie XO? Dude, I'm so happy you're here.
2:14 Speaker 02 Me too. It's very, very exciting to be here and to see the studio.
2:18 Bunnie XO? It's crazy, right?
2:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:19 Bunnie XO? I can't believe you and I have known each other almost a decade now.
2:22 Speaker 02 It's wild.
2:23 Bunnie XO? It's crazy.
2:24 Speaker 02 It's wild.
2:24 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
2:25 Speaker 02 We've had a lot of fun times, a lot of... Parties, you know?
2:28 Bunnie XO? Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been an interesting ride. But through it all, you, I think one of the one things that I love so much about you is just how sweet you are.
2:38 Speaker 02 Thanks, girl.
2:38 Bunnie XO? Like, I really wish people knew your heart and just like what a sweet woman you are.
2:43 Speaker 02 Thank you.
2:44 Bunnie XO? Even when I was mad at you, you're always so sweet to me. And I'm never really mad at you, but it was just like, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet and I just love that about you.
2:53 Speaker 02 Well, I love you. I truly do. So, you know, I just, I don't know, I just, I love being here and your heart is so amazing as well. And you're a strong woman, so.
3:02 Bunnie XO? I love you. We're gonna go to dinner and catch up too, but I want to know what's going on with you. Like, catch me up. We're good. So I'm gonna do this interview a little bit different and I know that people who listen to me regularly are gonna pick up on that. Since Phoebe was on my podcast nine years ago, almost. If you guys want to go back to that episode and find out about her background, her upbringing and everything we talked about in that podcast, that would be season one, episode one, I believe, right, Mimi? And, um, but this one will be like kind of us just catching up and just more of like an interview style. So tell me what's been going on with you.
3:38 Speaker 02 Well, I took some time off and was just writing for other people and then, um, you know, going through life and love and all the craziness. And then I decided to get back in the studio and I released a record, not last September, but the September before that, called Emotion Sickness. And yeah, I just, just kind of took me time, took me time. I needed a break. You know, I'd been working since I was 17. I'm about to be 40 at the end of the month.
4:09 Bunnie XO? And you still look so young. I'm so jealous. I'm looking at you. I'm like, she hasn't aged one fucking bit, dude.
4:15 Speaker 02 Thanks, girl. So yeah, I just needed some time to, I don't know, get things together. I mean, in this industry. Mental health is a really big thing.
4:26 Bunnie XO? Yes. And taking a break is needed.
4:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:30 Bunnie XO? Taking a break is so needed. I'm trying to teach my husband that because he's go, go, go, go, go. You know how Jay is. He's always been like that.
4:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:36 Bunnie XO? And even more so now. And I'm just like, you have to take time to like, just for you.
4:41 Speaker 02 You do.
4:41 Bunnie XO? Or else it's just, it can cause wreak havoc.
4:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, you do. I needed time with even my pets, you know, because I was always on the road and I just, I had lost two pets in the last like, I had a bunch. Like I have like a, like a coven of, of little fur girls. Like they're just the best. And.
5:00 Bunnie XO? I love that you said coven because I use that word all the time. That's what I call us.
5:03 Speaker 02 Oh, really?
5:03 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
5:04 Speaker 02 Exactly. So, um, yeah, I lost two of them and I was just like, man, I need to take time to spend time with them.
5:11 Bunnie XO? Oh, my God. I couldn't imagine. This one is with me. He's been with me the past seven years and I couldn't imagine losing a fur baby. Like, no.
5:19 Speaker 02 It's the worst.
5:20 Bunnie XO? We don't deserve animals. Like their souls are so pure and so sweet.
5:24 Speaker 02 They're unconditional love. Like they are the epitome.
5:26 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
5:27 Speaker 02 Of unconditional love.
5:27 Bunnie XO? They don't care if you're sleeping in a fucking box. They are riding with you.
5:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty amazing. I mean, how much they love you. So losing them, I was like, man, it messed me up. It messed me up. It was hard for Michael too, because you know, our last one that just passed a few weeks ago, her name was Trailer Party.
5:46 Bunnie XO? No.
5:46 Speaker 02 And.
5:47 Bunnie XO? Oh, I remember her.
5:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, Trailer Party. She was the best. And I had never heard Michael cry so hard. It was like really toward him.
5:54 Bunnie XO? Oh, my God. I couldn't imagine. And we just started a farm too. So now I have even more animals that I'm attached to. We have, um, mini donkeys. Mini donkeys.
6:04 Speaker 02 That's amazing.
6:05 Bunnie XO? It's our whole, our farm is all minis.
6:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:07 Bunnie XO? So we have mini cows, mini donkeys, mini pigs and.
6:11 Speaker 02 Little minis.
6:12 Bunnie XO? This literally happened all in one month, Fifi. I don't.
6:15 Speaker 02 Oh, my goodness.
6:15 Bunnie XO? I don't know how I turned into a farmer. So I couldn't imagine just, you know, going through the pain of losing any of them because it's just so brutal.
6:21 Speaker 02 It's brutal.
6:22 Bunnie XO? Since you took your break, what's been bringing you like joy?
6:28 Speaker 02 This is weird.
6:30 Speaker 02 But like, video games. I know that's crazy, but I've been like, I like Xbox. I do.
6:37 Bunnie XO? Because you can disassociate. Is your mind always, do you have like ADD and stuff like that?
6:42 Speaker 02 Well, I just go, like, my mind goes like a mile a minute at night when I should be sleeping. Um, and I just can't shut it off. So yeah, you're right. Like when I'm playing, all I have to think about is press X, press A, and I don't have to think about like an email or work, which is helpful.
6:59 Bunnie XO? So what's your favorite video game? I gotta ask, because you know, all the gamers at home are like, I'm gonna go find Fifi.
7:04 Speaker 02 I know. Um, I love Evil Dead.
7:07 Bunnie XO? Okay, so you like, like the zombie games?
7:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I like, I like horror games and, um, which one did I just get the other day?
7:19 Speaker 02 Man, I can't think about it right now.
7:20 Bunnie XO? I know Jay was playing like, what, Call of Duty? I don't even know.
7:23 Speaker 02 I heard that's hard.
7:25 Bunnie XO? He, they're crazy.
7:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:26 Bunnie XO? Like, they have like teams. They have like, I didn't know you were a gamer. I love to game. I'm with you every day. How did I not know that? Call of Duty only. I don't like any other games but that.
7:38 Speaker 02 That was hard.
7:39 Bunnie XO? It is. But it's stimulation. I agree with you. It's the only time you can shut your brain off. Yeah. They literally have teams. And by the way, if you see me looking down at my phone, it's all these notes I have for you. So I'm not like over here texting or anything like that. They have like teams. So my husband would like go down and play for hours and I would go sit next to him and literally there's like six of them and they're like, I got your back and da, da, da, da. And I'm just like, how do you guys, I, I would be so fucking overstimulated. There's no way.
8:05 Speaker 02 That one's intense, though. Like, it's like, people get pissed.
8:10 Bunnie XO? Oh, like, I've never cussed. I've never cussed at so many kids in my life.
8:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:15 Bunnie XO? It's the worst.
8:16 Speaker 02 I've seen grown adults wanna throw those controllers.
8:20 Bunnie XO? Yes.
8:21 Speaker 02 That's funny.
8:22 Bunnie XO? I couldn't imagine that. So you've been in the game for a minute. Do you feel like the same Fifi from Take Me Away? Or has life completely rewritten the script for you?
8:32 Speaker 02 I feel very different from that girl, you know? At times, it's like, I'll have moments where I listen to the old album and I'll like get emotional and I'm like, oh my gosh, like, I'm still that person. But- It's a crazy life. Like, as you know, like, when you're in this world, like, things happen so quickly that you almost forget what happens. It's like memories kind of get jumbled and because it's a lot, you know? You're overstimulated even in the industry. It's like a lot of stuff. So I don't know if I still completely relate to her, but I, I think I have a different love for her, you know? Like, when you're younger self, you're like, "Man, I was too hard on you," or that kind of vibe, you know?
9:17 Speaker 02 "You were pretty. Stop being so hard on yourself." You know, that vibe.
9:21 Bunnie XO? No, I get it 100%. I think I find myself a lot of the times romanticizing who I was. And it's like, even though I went through so much shit, I was not a great human. I look back and I'm just like, sometimes I get sad because I'm just like, "God, if I'd have just realized in that moment how cool everything was and like how different shit was about to be." You know, it's like you almost go back and you just kind of like romanticize it, no matter how bad it was. You're just like, you know, you, you long for the little girl that didn't get to be.
9:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, you kind of wish that you could like tell her, like, everything's gonna be cool and you got this and but again, that's a part of our journey. It makes us who we are as adults.
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11:29 Bunnie XO? Your music has always been unapologetically you. Was there ever a time you felt pressured to be someone else in the industry?
11:36 Speaker 02 Oh, all the time. I mean, I still do at times, you know, where you're like, should I be doing this kind of TikTok? Or should I be doing, you know what I mean? Like you still feel that pressure in just a different way.
11:47 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
11:49 Speaker 02 But I never felt comfortable, you know, if I didn't have like my leather jacket or.
11:55 Bunnie XO? Would you still have it on?
11:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
11:57 Bunnie XO? Leather on.
11:58 Speaker 02 Or like eyeliner or like just something that was kind of like my.
12:03 Bunnie XO? Signature.
12:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, I always felt like I wasn't being myself if I tried something different.
12:10 Bunnie XO? Where does, where does your style stem from? Like if you could like have maybe like three role models?
12:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. Probably like, I have a few, like Joan Jett. Slash.
12:22 Bunnie XO? Yes. I see it all as you're saying it. I'm like, yep, yep.
12:28 Speaker 02 And when I get like, when I do glam, like I always look at like old Kate Moss.
12:33 Bunnie XO? You know, she was fire, even Kate Moss now.
12:35 Speaker 02 I know, she's amazing.
12:36 Bunnie XO? How do you not age on cocaine? I don't understand that. I don't understand. I love Kate Moss. She is a fucking icon, dude.
12:45 Speaker 02 She like, even when she's hammered, I'm like, how do I get that look?
12:49 Bunnie XO? Yeah, literally she, I just saw a video of her on TikTok outside of someplace falling over. And she did it so gracefully in a miniskirt and heels. Didn't show anything. If that was me, I'd have looked like a frigging wombat, just. I'd have 10 people trying to pick me up. Like I'd have had a broken hip. It would have been fucked up. But she, I mean, she's literally almost 50 and still just slant.
13:10 Speaker 02 She looks amazing.
13:11 Bunnie XO? No, it's crazy.
13:12 Speaker 02 It's crazy. Like I love the smudge liner and.
13:15 Bunnie XO? You, you've always done the smudge liner too.
13:17 Speaker 02 I have fun with it. I, it's like, I've been fortunate. The one thing that's been fortunate is like one of my friends always says, he was like. He's like, girl, you can look disheveled. That's your brand. I'm like, yeah, exactly.
13:29 Bunnie XO? I love that though, disheveled. I love that. That's fucking hot though.
13:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:33 Bunnie XO? Phoebe's bringing back the disheveled look. Alright, so we're gonna take it back to the early days for a little bit.
13:38 Speaker 02 Okay.
13:39 Bunnie XO? The 2000s were such an iconic time in music. When you look back at that era, what's a memory that instantly makes you smile?
13:48 Speaker 02 Um, I loved hanging out with like, the bands, you know, like when girls could rock out with the dudes and I loved, you know, seeing Avril and, and Simple Plan and, and I don't know, there was something about that time that was just like,
14:06 Bunnie XO? Pure.
14:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
14:08 Bunnie XO? Pure. And it was rock and roll.
14:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:10 Bunnie XO? Bring it the fuck back. I am tired of this mumble rap. I'm like, can we bring it back? Bring the band back.
14:16 Speaker 02 Right?
14:17 Bunnie XO? I'm so ready for it.
14:18 Speaker 02 It just felt so, I don't know, raw and, you know, and even for the girls at that time, it was like, for the females, we were just like, fuck it. You know, we didn't, we didn't care. We were in like Dickies and Converse and no makeup and.
14:32 Bunnie XO? Still beautiful though. And holding your own next to these other, these men, you know?
14:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was, it was, I wanted to be on tour with the dudes because I wanted to like make them freaked out that I could rock or, you know, rock circles around. And that was a big deal for me. I, I always loved to like, put me with the dudes, man. That meant a lot.
14:53 Bunnie XO? Or did you thrive on shock value as a youngster?
14:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:58 Bunnie XO? I think I did too.
14:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. Like I love to look at people like in the eye and make them uncomfortable. That was like when I was a kid.
15:05 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
15:05 Speaker 02 And just like to see when they would turn their heads because they were uncomfortable with my stare.
15:10 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
15:10 Speaker 02 That was fun.
15:11 Bunnie XO? What's the one thing fans might not know about the making of Sunday Love or Joy?
15:18 Speaker 02 Well, Sunday Love was like my second album off the first one and like I was really wanted to make, wanted to make an authentic rock record. So we got like a bunch of amazing rockers like Nina Gordon from Rukasalt and John Five and just like awesome rad artists. And it was weird making the album because I named it at Sunday Love because it was my mom's like, my mom's stripper name. It was her name. Like that's what she would go by and she told me about it years when I was younger and it stuck with me and I was like, well, I want to name this for her.
16:01 Speaker 02 So I did. And she was just amazing that way. Like, I don't know. So.
16:08 Bunnie XO? I love that. So mom was a stripper.
16:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, and many other things.
16:14 Speaker 02 And.
16:15 Bunnie XO? We love that. Shout out mom. That's so fitting for this podcast.
16:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, she was a single mom and just like made it work. And I don't know, I just loved, even like if she just danced at home, like just like being like, you know, just put on something and was just grooving around. Like I always looked up to her dancing. I thought it was really rad.
16:32 Bunnie XO? I didn't know, I don't think you told us about mom being a dancer in the first podcast. So that was a little bit of information that you just revealed. If 2003 Fifi could see you now, what would she say? Would it be shocked or just a nod like, yeah, this is exactly where we're headed?
16:48 Speaker 02 If she said to me, if my young Fifi said to me.
16:51 Bunnie XO? Yeah, if you could see you now. If 2003 Fifi could see you now.
16:54 Speaker 02 Would she be shocked? Would she be?
17:00 Speaker 02 I don't, I think she would be like, I don't know, actually.
17:06 Bunnie XO? I feel like 2003 Fifi was wild.
17:08 Speaker 02 Yeah. She'd be like, wow, you wear dresses? Cause I never wore a dress when I was like 24.
17:14 Bunnie XO? Why was that?
17:16 Speaker 02 My mom used to put me in these like really fufu dresses and they were itchy. You remember that like that itchy tool? What is it? I don't know what it was. What is it called?
17:24 Bunnie XO? I don't know, but I know, I can see it.
17:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, in the eighties and it was so itchy and I hated them. And then I, I don't know, I got in the industry and like, I was just like Dicky's girl and I didn't want to like, I don't know, it was like kind of anti like dresses. And then one day. I just decided I wanted to put on a dress and my first dress that I put on it was for this MTV gig. And it was um the Versace uh dress with all the pins. Um it had the pins. It was like open on it was like a skirt and top.
18:00 Bunnie XO? Can we bring that up for her to see? What what uh award show was it? Let's bring it up.
18:05 Speaker 02 It was a MTV um benefit. I think it was like a. Yeah.
18:11 Bunnie XO? They'll bring it up while you're talking.
18:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, and my hair was like super short and I wore a dress and that was the first time I wore a dress and I was like, I like feeling like this pretty girl.
18:19 Bunnie XO? Yeah, did it made you feel it kind of gave you like, because you're like me, we're like cute tomboy.
18:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:26 Bunnie XO? Like, you know, so whenever I do, like, there's no in between. I either look homeless or I'm glam. There's never a fucking in between.
18:32 Speaker 02 Right.
18:33 Bunnie XO? You know, and so whenever I get dolled up too, I'm like, oh, okay, I feel girly and pretty. Does that make you like when you put a dress on, do you feel like you're in touch with your feminine energy?
18:41 Speaker 02 Yes.
18:41 Bunnie XO? A little bit more?
18:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, I I like on stage, I'm a little more aggressive in my leather pants and all that stuff. And then, you know, if I'm going out for a nice dinner, I like.
18:52 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
18:52 Speaker 02 Dressing up.
18:53 Bunnie XO? When you want to turn. What color was the dress?
18:56 Speaker 02 It was like a royal blue.
18:58 Bunnie XO? Okay.
18:58 Speaker 02 And it had like.
18:59 Bunnie XO? Did you find it? I'm looking for it right now.
19:01 Speaker 02 Wasn't that one?
19:02 Bunnie XO? Nah. No? Let me see. Let me. She said it wasn't that one. Ew. Oh, you look so cute, though.
19:14 Bunnie XO? Look at little baby thieves over there. I love this outfit, by the way. Are you kidding me? Oh, my goodness. Listen, I still wear fucking leopard print. Don't play with me.
19:26 Speaker 02 Skirt on top of pants, though. That's like the.
19:28 Bunnie XO? That is so 2000.
19:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. Oh, I love leopard. Leopard's life.
19:34 Speaker 02 It was like, um, it, uh, has super short hair. Maybe if you write short hair, I don't know.
19:44 Bunnie XO? It's alright if we can't find.
19:45 Speaker 02 Oh, me and Michael.
19:46 Bunnie XO? But look at all the, like, you're still true to your style, though. Like, it's definitely edgier now, you know?
19:52 Speaker 02 No, but that's a fun one to put up. I got in so much trouble.
19:54 Bunnie XO? Look how cute you look.
19:56 Speaker 02 I got in so much trouble for putting my middle fingers up.
19:58 Bunnie XO? Really?
19:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, back then.
19:59 Bunnie XO? But not for being, wearing a see-through outfit? Like, don't put the middle fingers up, but just show your entire body. You look adorable, though.
20:09 Speaker 02 Oh, thanks, everything.
20:11 Bunnie XO? No.
20:11 Speaker 02 I love that you guys can just bring this up on the screen. That's hilarious. I love this.
20:16 Bunnie XO? So we want to see. You're a rock star in an industry that didn't always make space for black women in that genre. Did you feel that pushback? And if so, how did you navigate?
20:26 Speaker 02 Starting so young, I really, I was kinda, I had blinders on. You know, I was more thinking about, is this boy gonna call me back? And while you're going through puberty and all, it's true. But I was going through all these things, you know, these changes and, um, I didn't even have my first kiss when I was like seventeen, like. I know, so I was like.
20:44 Bunnie XO? Who was your first kiss?
20:47 Speaker 02 That one that was probably not supposed to be.
20:50 Bunnie XO? Was it another famous person?
20:55 Speaker 02 Uh, nah, kind, hmm.
21:02 Bunnie XO? We don't gotta say names.
21:03 Speaker 02 I remember, I, I, I kinda remember it. I don't know. But yeah, I, I had a good team around me that like, basically was, um, protecting me from a lot of things and.
21:16 Bunnie XO? Which is awesome, because a lot of kids back then didn't have that protection.
21:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:20 Bunnie XO? I feel like a lot of kids were like exploited and had to like, like were forced to.
21:23 Speaker 02 No, I was fortunate. I had like, a awesome team that was, that would deal with all the like, are you sure? As I got older, I realized what was happening and.
21:33 Bunnie XO? Right.
21:33 Speaker 02 It was like, people would ask my manager, like, are you really sure that this black girl can, you know, do, is gonna succeed at rock and roll? And it's kinda like, it just, now as an adult, I'm like, that makes no sense.
21:43 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
21:43 Speaker 02 Like, history. Like, it doesn't make any sense.
21:46 Bunnie XO? But how special were you to be kind of like one of a kind? I mean, there wasn't very many other girls in the genre like you, right?
21:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was a ballsy move.
21:57 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
21:58 Speaker 02 You know?
21:58 Bunnie XO? No, but how cool is that? Like, you're just always, you've made history, pretty much. And I think that's really fucking cool.
22:04 Speaker 02 That's really cool.
22:05 Bunnie XO? Yeah. So let's talk about the soundtrack to life.
22:08 Speaker 02 Oh, yes.
22:09 Bunnie XO? Your music has always had this raw rebellious energy. What's been inspiring you lately when you write?
22:17 Speaker 02 I love love, the good, the bad, you know, it's, it fuels me and um.
22:24 Bunnie XO? That's because you're a Pisces.
22:26 Speaker 02 I am.
22:26 Bunnie XO? I'm a Pisces Venus. I love love. And I might be rough around the edges, but I will go, the deeper through hell we go, the more I'm gonna love you.
22:35 Speaker 02 Yes. I'm like, why? You know, growing up, like, I loved tragic love films, like Romeo and Juliet and Sinan see and all the thing. And so I'm like, I'm like, what's wrong with me?
22:49 Bunnie XO? Does it? Have you ever done a past life regression?
22:51 Speaker 02 No, but I would love to.
22:52 Bunnie XO? I would love to know. Me too. I haven't done one. I'm scared. I'm like, I don't want to know, but I do want to know. Like, it's a weird, morbid curiosity that I have, but I would love to know yours.
23:01 Speaker 02 I, I mean, it's interesting because I feel like maybe if we did know, we'd be able to like, kind of carve out things for this lifetime that we were supposed to learn, maybe a little faster.
23:11 Bunnie XO? Yes. I feel like you and Yella definitely did several lifetimes together.
23:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, we think so too. It's, it's interesting. There's some people, you can look in their eyes and not really see much of anything, but like, I can look in his eyes and it's pretty intense. And some with friends too. And you can see, like, oh yeah, connecting with you on like a completely different level.
23:33 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Can we talk about you and Yella for a little bit?
23:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:37 Bunnie XO? Okay, how, you guys have been together for how long now?
23:40 Speaker 02 Off and on, uh, 15 years.
23:43 Bunnie XO? Yeah. No, it's been crazy. Can you tell us a little bit about that ride, that journey?
23:49 Speaker 02 Hi, well, I met him when I was 25. He was 30. And I think he just got signed to Interscope and, uh, or Shady. And um, and no one ever tells you, we met at, at the Fantasy Factory, Rob Dyrdek's spot and.
24:09 Bunnie XO? That's some lore right there.
24:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:11 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
24:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. And no one ever tells you like.
24:18 Speaker 02 Being with another artist is a, it's a lot, it's a lot. Uh, because they're dealing with their own things and, you know, he's a man in the industry, a good-looking man, and I'm, you know, a woman that at this point at 25, I'm like, I'm ready for something serious, which was probably because I had started so young that I lived, you know, I'd lived this life in the industry. And he was just starting.
24:45 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
24:46 Speaker 02 So he was getting his wiggles out when we started dating. So we went through.
24:53 Bunnie XO? I mean, 15 years in this industry is some, we gotta tip our hat to that because not a lot of people can do that. Jay and I are just barely creeping up on a decade and you, you know, we've been through shit too, but it's like, you, you just hit the nail on the head because I just talked about this in a recent podcast where I said, if you are with an artist, you have to be a really strong human. Like for one, there's, you know, just forget about all the traveling and the separation and all that stuff. It's the emotional side of it. There's a reason that you're an artist. So to have two artists in the same relationship has got to be so tricky to navigate because there's got to be just a sea of emotions.
25:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, and, and, and working through like, making sure that we're not competing with each other.
25:40 Bunnie XO? Hmm.
25:40 Speaker 02 That's a big one.
25:41 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
25:42 Speaker 02 It's like being supportive. And, and, you know, I, you, you know, I've was side stage for many years to, to see a show and support that way. And you kind of have to put your, your own artist ego at the door.
25:57 Bunnie XO? Hmm.
25:57 Speaker 02 Which is a big, big important thing to do.
26:01 Bunnie XO? Have you ever felt like you guys were in competition at any time?
26:05 Speaker 02 Well, when we play NBA 2K20 before, at this point 25, yes. Someone's sleeping on the couch.
26:14 Speaker 02 But we're very different, which was, uh, we've probably had moments where it was like someone has a, you know, I think the only time it kind of feels that way is if, uh, We're not close, you know? And but when we're close and we're in tune, we don't feel that way.
26:36 Speaker 02 But it's it's difficult. It's difficult, you know?
26:39 Bunnie XO? The man loves you. I I see him through all of it and every time I see him and you're not by his side, he's not himself.
26:50 Speaker 02 That means a lot. I mean, it's it's wild because I've been very private online and he's a little bit more open about when he is going through whatever and or if we're not together. And I've had to see a lot of things that, you know, fans might be like, how can you get back with him or how can you do this? And and the truth is, unless you're in it, you just don't know.
27:17 Bunnie XO? That and the heart wants what the heart wants.
27:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:20 Bunnie XO? You know, you guys have something special. That's why I said I think you guys have done numerous lifetimes together because you guys just have this this moth to a flame type draw to each other and that's undeniable, you know? And no matter what you guys go through, it's just you guys are always going to circle back to each other.
27:39 Speaker 02 Yeah. Seems like.
27:42 Bunnie XO? Do you think you guys will ever get married like again? Are you guys like?
27:45 Speaker 02 Um.
27:46 Bunnie XO? Did you guys ever fully divorce?
27:47 Speaker 02 No.
27:48 Bunnie XO? Oh, OK, OK. All right.
27:49 Speaker 02 No, I I couldn't do it.
27:51 Bunnie XO? Oh.
27:52 Speaker 02 I mean, we'd always threaten to do it and be like, oh, yeah, well, send the papers right now. And and no one would do it, you know?
27:59 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
28:00 Speaker 02 So.
28:01 Bunnie XO? That's just even more proof that you guys just literally are each other's persons.
28:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. And he always makes jokes too because he's always like, what am I gonna do? Your name's on my face. Because, you know, it's like.
28:13 Speaker 02 It's like, OK, yeah, true.
28:16 Bunnie XO? That's your dude, man. You guys are super cute. And I mean, you guys aesthetically are just a gorgeous couple.
28:21 Speaker 02 Thank you.
28:22 Bunnie XO? Yeah, for sure.
28:22 Speaker 02 How do you like? How do you navigate through, you know, you and Jelly and like, you know?
28:29 Bunnie XO? Well, I was actually gonna ask you guys, how do you guys navigate so privately? Because Jay and I have literally poured our entire relationship online. I mean, we've since day one have just been like, here we are, you know? And like, just kind of like, we got outed in the beginning, so we had to out ourselves, you know? And it was like, since then, we don't really have anything that's a secret. And I admire how you guys navigate because now that we're in the public eye a little bit more too, like how you guys are, it's like, there are some things I want to, for ourselves, you know? And I would love for you to give me any pointers on that. Because the way we navigate is we just fucking word vomit all over. I'm always, I always say there's an annoying person that's online,
29:13 Bunnie XO? and then there's the one that's like, very crafty and like, only appears when they need to. And I'm the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay's the one who's like, yeah, you know, like in the background, you'll, you'll see him every now and then.
29:25 Speaker 02 Honestly, I've always been kind of like, pretty private. I think because, I don't know, I don't know why, actually. I probably could be a lot more open.
29:35 Bunnie XO? I feel like you grew up in an era though, which was the same era that I grew up in.
29:38 Speaker 02 We didn't even have online, like.
29:39 Bunnie XO? Literally. So it's like, you're, you're just old school. And the, and like how you, you function and which I think is beautiful. Because people don't really get to see everything, you know?
29:52 Speaker 02 Right, yeah.
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32:02 Speaker 02 I mean, it's pretty good until I get like an email from your manager like, you gotta get on TikTok. We just need one TikTok.
32:09 Bunnie XO? Ah, I'll help you.
32:11 Speaker 02 I would love that, actually. I need help.
32:13 Bunnie XO? I will help you. Me and Mimi will help you. She made me get on TikTok too in 2020. I was like, I am not fucking shaking my ass on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not doing it because everybody was dancing and stuff.
32:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:25 Bunnie XO? She's like, yeah, she's like, you don't have to do that. So it took me a long time to kind of find my, my niche on there. But really just talking to the camera and just being yourself is like what, people just want to know what you're fucking doing. You could wake up and post your breakfast every day and it'll get millions of views because you're Fifi Dobson. There's so many, my boy Jordy Cray is obsessed with you. Like, he, he's like the, uh, what, what can we call him? He's like a TikTok, like, I don't want to call him a T page because I feel like he's more than a T page, but. He's an informational page. He's an informational outlet and he absolutely, when he knew that you were coming on the podcast, he was just like, "Oh my God." I love that. We might have to FaceTime him after, just so I can say you can say hi to him. Yeah.
33:05 Bunnie XO? Um, but just let's, I want to, I have a couple more questions about you and Yella. So you and Yella have been rocking together for years now. What do you think is the secret sauce that keeps the fire alive?
33:21 Speaker 02 Weirdly enough, I think, and I don't recommend this for, and I don't want to have any more time apart from him, but I think some time apart, kind of, you know? But...
33:37 Bunnie XO? I love that you said, "I don't want any more time apart from him," because a lot of, I think you guys are twin flames, like how Jay and I are. And Jay and I went through separations also. Yeah. And I think you guys both have to just come to a point where you're just like, "You know what? We're in this together, no matter fucking what. If we need to take a break, I'm gonna go vacation Right. for two weeks and then I'm gonna come back and we're gonna figure this shit the fuck out." And that's what Jay and I had to do. You know, we had to just say, "Okay, we're not gonna, one of us isn't gonna be a runner anymore." Cause I know, who's the runner? You? Him? Oh.
34:08 Speaker 02 Although, I think it reversed.
34:12 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
34:12 Speaker 02 For many years, he was the runner. And then it happened so many times that I was like, "Maybe I should run a little bit."
34:19 Bunnie XO? PTSD though. You probably were like, "Let me run before he can run and hurt me."
34:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, a hundred percent.
34:25 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
34:25 Speaker 02 A hundred percent. So we've, yeah, we've spent a lot of time apart. We've missed birthdays. We've missed really important times. So...
34:36 Bunnie XO? I think you guys are gonna figure it out. And as we get older, we calm down a lot too, you know?
34:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, him as a man, it's a good thing.
34:44 Bunnie XO? Oh, good. We love a docile Yella wolf.
34:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, I like that he's calming down. It makes me happy.
34:52 Bunnie XO? Oh, good. Are you guys ever gonna collab together?
34:55 Speaker 02 Actually, we're just in the studio with him and helped write a hook, so.
34:59 Bunnie XO? Yay. I love when you guys collab. Yay. I think it's beautiful. I think you guys get to really, truly see you guys' love through music also, so.
35:07 Speaker 02 Well, the first time we ever tried, we went to Studio Tree Sounds in Atlanta and we were just dating. And that did not end up well. We started, it's just, you can't play that. That's the wrong note. Like, we were just getting at each other, but now we're like, we respect each other's process.
35:21 Bunnie XO? Yeah, I love it. It's growth. You guys are growing up in front of my eyeballs. Yeah. So let's, let's take it back to your music. What's a song from your catalog that still hits you right in the feelers every time you hear it?
35:37 Speaker 02 Hmm. Well, Scar from Sunday Love. I wrote that with a good friend, Matthew Wilder, who actually is the lead singer of the, what's that song? Break Your Stride, from the eighties.
35:50 Bunnie XO? Ain't nobody gonna break my stride.
35:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
35:52 Bunnie XO? I love that.
35:53 Speaker 02 And he's an amazing writer. He wrote Reflection for Mulan and like, he's just,
35:59 Speaker 02 he's just like, when you go there and you work with him, he's like a guru. He's just like such a sweet man. And so Scar was a special one because he literally just took my poetry or like just journal writing. And I was going through the situation with this guy and I would just read it to him and then he would take little bits from it and just put it into a song with me and it was a really cool process.
36:21 Bunnie XO? I think the art of writing music is so poetic. Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And like, what is, what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music? Do you have like a ritual that you perform before?
36:34 Speaker 02 I definitely need wine. I need some wine.
36:36 Bunnie XO? Yeah. It gets the emotions flowing. Gets the juices, the creative juices going.
36:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:41 Bunnie XO? Yeah. What's your favorite wine?
36:44 Speaker 02 I love Sauternes. Like, I love a good French wine.
36:47 Bunnie XO? Is it white or red?
36:50 Speaker 02 It's white, but I like a red when I'm like trying to chill, but.
36:53 Bunnie XO? I don't like red. There's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray. Like, I can't do it. You smile.
37:00 Speaker 02 Do you like champagne? Do you like champagne?
37:01 Bunnie XO? I do. I used, I saw, you know, I'm sober now.
37:03 Speaker 02 I didn't know that.
37:04 Bunnie XO? Yeah, girl. Congratulations. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine. And then 2018 off alcohol.
37:11 Speaker 02 Wow.
37:11 Bunnie XO? Yeah. But before, I was a great time. You got to experience that.
37:16 Speaker 02 Well, congrats. That's, that's hard. It's hard.
37:19 Bunnie XO? It is. It is till it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey, but you gotta really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that, when you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force.
37:36 Speaker 02 Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets, here's the thing too, is like, it's everywhere, you know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know, and, um, and then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. I need something before I, so that's a hard thing to kind of deal with.
37:59 Bunnie XO? But that's your process and then you're ready to, and sobriety isn't for everybody, you know, like, I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and like disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that, you know.
38:13 Speaker 02 That's amazing. Congrats. That's, that's beautiful.
38:16 Bunnie XO? I appreciate you. Um, so what is, what's another ritual besides wine in your, in the studio? For the, your creative process?
38:24 Speaker 02 A ritual, um,
38:29 Speaker 02 I'm, I like melodies, like I'm a melody person, so more than a lyrical person, um, like Michael's amazing at lyrics, like he can just spit lyrics like out of his head.
38:39 Bunnie XO? Phenomenal.
38:39 Speaker 02 So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to like hear like some chords or like piano being, a piano being played or some guitar chords and then I kind of just hum something. And Jim Johnson taught me, um, holy ghosting, which I love, which is just get on the mic and let whatever's coming through you, just even if it's just mumbling and you have some melody going with that. And he'll listen to it and be like, oh, did you hear that? You said that word there. And like, it's like you're doing it subconsciously, you know?
39:10 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
39:10 Speaker 02 Kind of cool.
39:11 Bunnie XO? That's pretty organic. I like that. You do strike me as a melodic person because your music, like your songs, especially ones that have gotten huge, they have those melodies that stick in your mind.
39:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, I love melodies.
39:23 Bunnie XO? Whereas like if you listen to Yellow Wolf's music, it's like his lyrics, you know, like he's got that one like lyric in the song that you just want to scream at the top of your lungs. So yeah, I can totally see that. Are there any artists right now that make you want to collaborate with them? Like, I, like, you're, anybody that you could collaborate right now, like, I want to, I would kill to work with them?
39:43 Speaker 02 Dude, Amy L and the Sniffers, I think that's what their band name is, they're from Australia.
39:48 Bunnie XO? Mm-hmm, I haven't heard them, I'll have to look them up.
39:50 Speaker 02 She's like a female front woman and she's amazing.
39:54 Bunnie XO? The Sniff, Amy Allen and the Sniffers?
39:56 Speaker 02 Amy L, I think, Amy, and then just an L, and the Sniffers, yeah.
40:00 Bunnie XO? Can you bring that up for us, so we can hear some of her stuff?
40:02 Speaker 02 She's badass, and her visuals are crazy.
40:05 Bunnie XO? Is she rock music?
40:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:07 Bunnie XO? Oh, okay.
40:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:08 Bunnie XO? Yeah, we'll have to, we're gonna check her out right now.
40:09 Speaker 02 Kick ass.
40:10 Bunnie XO? Yeah. And they're from Australia?
40:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:13 Bunnie XO? You would never think that there would be rock bands from Australia.
40:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, her new visuals for, uh, I think it's called, oh, that song Jerkin', it's crazy.
40:24 Bunnie XO? Jerkin'?
40:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:25 Bunnie XO? I, listen, the Sniffers, Jerkin', I am here for this girl.
40:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, it's, it's sick.
40:30 Bunnie XO? I love this.
40:32 Speaker 02 It's raunchy.
40:43 Bunnie XO? She's beautiful. Yeah.
40:56 Bunnie XO? She reminds me of somebody, who is it? Who does she remind me of?
41:00 Speaker 02 I don't know.
41:03 Speaker 02 And the visuals are so awesome.
41:05 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
41:09 Bunnie XO? She's very, like, verruca Salt meets, like, Courtney Love.
41:14 Speaker 02 Yes.
41:14 Bunnie XO? Type, yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely Hole, like, the Hole days.
41:21 Speaker 02 It's just so, like, it's so refreshing, I love seeing female front women, it's like,
41:25 Bunnie XO? Yeah, me too, always.
41:27 Speaker 02 So good.
41:27 Bunnie XO? Girl power, always. I'm gonna check out some more of her.
41:29 Speaker 02 I like a pause.
41:32 Bunnie XO? Jaime, turn it off.
41:35 Bunnie XO? I'm gonna check out more of her music later.
41:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, hell yeah.
41:38 Bunnie XO? What's one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong?
41:47 Speaker 02 Back in the day, it would always be like, what is she on? Like, that was it.
41:53 Bunnie XO? Don't you love that? When people are like, accuse you of being on drugs. And you're like, wait, what?
41:58 Speaker 02 Those were my eyes. I have hooded eyes, like, what? I'm just seductive.
42:05 Bunnie XO? Were you on drugs back then, when people were asking?
42:09 Speaker 02 No, that's what's funny, because when I was dabbling in drugs, like, that's when they were like, she looks great.
42:17 Speaker 02 And when I wasn't, it was like, she's on something, there's a problem here. And I'm like, fuck.
42:21 Bunnie XO? You're like, what the fuck?
42:22 Speaker 02 I can't win.
42:23 Bunnie XO? If you had to create like an alter like ego, like what Beyonce has with Sasha Fierce, what would your alter ego be like?
42:30 Speaker 02 Sunday love.
42:31 Bunnie XO? Sunday love?
42:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, Sunday love.
42:33 Bunnie XO? I love that you hold your mom so close to you like that. What does that represent for you? What does she represent for you?
42:38 Speaker 02 You know, we've had an up, you know, our ups and downs and... But just, you know, she's a warrior to me. And like a single mother of four kids, like, made it work. And looking beautiful. And, I don't know. You know, we didn't have a lot of money, but things that I did really need, which was a karaoke machine, which is what got me started. And, you know, we had food and we had shoes. They may have been 12 bucks, but they were, you know?
43:09 Bunnie XO? Yeah. It doesn't matter if something was 12 dollars or, you know, like...
43:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, she made it work and she also had amazing, like, well, for her, it wasn't vintage, but to me, it was vintage. So I'd go through like barrels of like her clothes from the 60s and 70s and rock that at school, you know?
43:26 Bunnie XO? Do you have any of her pieces still?
43:28 Speaker 02 I do.
43:29 Bunnie XO? Oh.
43:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, I do.
43:30 Bunnie XO? What do you have? Do you wear it on stage? Or is it like a good luck charm for you?
43:34 Speaker 02 Some of them are like femme, like the dresses. I have some of those pieces. And this cross I wear, I never... This is like one of the only gifts I got from her as an adult. And I wear it all the time. Like, it's like superstition. Superstition, is that right? Superstition?
43:52 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
43:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I, yeah.
43:57 Speaker 02 Sunday love would definitely be.
44:00 Bunnie XO? I love that. Being the rock star that you are, what is the most rock star thing you've ever done? That you can say without getting in trouble?
44:14 Speaker 02 Whoo. I'm trying to think. I mean, I've done the all-nighters. I've done the partying. I've done...
44:21 Bunnie XO? Have you ever fucked up a hotel room? Like, just gone crazy and, like, smashed the TV?
44:26 Speaker 02 No, I was too scared. Honestly, I was scared.
44:29 Bunnie XO? I don't blame you.
44:30 Speaker 02 I've seen Wolf and Bones and those guys do a number on something.
44:35 Bunnie XO? I've seen Wolf smash his own fucking monitors onstage.
44:39 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I've done dating him.
44:45 Bunnie XO? Yeah. There you go. Yeah.
44:47 Speaker 02 Come on.
44:48 Bunnie XO? You're literally wringing a real-life fucking just werewolf over there.
44:51 Speaker 02 Right?
44:52 Bunnie XO? Yeah. You're the beast master.
44:55 Speaker 02 Beast master.
44:56 Bunnie XO? Girl. Listen. Uh, so let's talk about what's next. Your fans are hungry for new music. What can you tell us about what's coming up next?
45:05 Speaker 02 Um, well, I need to get back in the studio. I've been kinda dragging my feet. But now I'm starting to get inspired again.
45:17 Speaker 02 So I think, yeah, just getting back in the studio, writing some songs.
45:23 Speaker 02 Doing, uh, this tour with Avril in the summer.
45:26 Bunnie XO? Yay.
45:27 Speaker 02 So I really wanted, like, at least a couple new tracks to present.
45:32 Bunnie XO? Is it a big tour that you guys are doing? Let's talk about the tour.
45:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, she's doing, um, she's been on her greatest hits tour, and I was just on it before the new year. I did some dates, and then they asked me back, so... Um, yeah, I'm excited. I love her so much. She's such an awesome, awesome woman.
45:48 Bunnie XO? Yeah, I haven't got to. I think I saw her at an award show. I haven't got to, like, actually meet her, though.
45:53 Speaker 02 She'd love you.
45:54 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
45:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:55 Bunnie XO? I think she follows me on Instagram.
45:57 Speaker 02 Of course.
45:57 Bunnie XO? Maybe I'll say hi.
45:58 Speaker 02 Yeah. No, she's awesome. You'd love her.
46:01 Bunnie XO? Good. Is she, like, girl power, like how you are, too?
46:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I think as she's getting older, she's like... You know, we start at the same time. We're both from Canada.
46:11 Bunnie XO? It's familiar.
46:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. And she's always been very supportive of me and, and, and I of her, so...
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46:50 Speaker 02 It's nice.
46:51 Bunnie XO? Where can people buy tickets if they want to go?
46:54 Speaker 02 I think-
46:55 Bunnie XO? Do you know what dates you're doing yet, or?
46:57 Speaker 02 Um, I do, but I don't remember them.
47:00 Bunnie XO? Okay, no worries.
47:00 Speaker 02 I mean, that's like, that made no sense. And I was like, I do, but I don't.
47:04 Bunnie XO? Just Google if you guys want to go.
47:07 Speaker 02 It's on her flyer, like flyer. It's on her post flyer.
47:12 Bunnie XO? We're 90s and 2000s babies over here.
47:13 Speaker 02 It's a pamphlet.
47:16 Speaker 02 On her social media and then online as well.
47:18 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe we'll come to a show if you guys are close. That would be so fun.
47:22 Speaker 02 That would be amazing.
47:24 Bunnie XO? Yeah, I want to see you in your element. Because all these years that I've known you, I've never got to see you in your element.
47:29 Speaker 02 Have I?
47:29 Bunnie XO? No, I don't think I have.
47:31 Speaker 02 Michael's coming too.
47:32 Bunnie XO? Is he?
47:32 Speaker 02 I think he's gonna come for the Niagara Falls.
47:33 Bunnie XO? Yay.
47:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:34 Bunnie XO? Awesome. Alright, cool. Maybe we'll be able to come. I know Daddy's touring a little bit this year, but we have a lot of off time too, so we can definitely make that happen. You've evolved so much as an artist. What's something new that you're exploring in your sound this time around? Like when you do start writing, what do you think you'll be doing that's different?
47:54 Speaker 02 I think respecting that I'm in a, like, that I'll be 40. I think like, really coming from like, you know, the woman that I've become.
48:08 Bunnie XO? That sounds like an album title. The Woman That I've Become. I love that.
48:12 Speaker 02 And like, just not try to, I don't know, like, I don't want to go back in time, you know, I want to move forward. And I respect what I've done in the past, but I do want to move forward. And I'd love to have a child too, at some point, and I think that would inspire my writing as well.
48:30 Bunnie XO? Yeah, we need a little Phoebs running around. Oh my God, your kid with your face would be so fucking cute, dude. I can see it now. I'm visual. You gotta manifest it.
48:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, I really do. I mean, I'm-
48:44 Speaker 02 You know, life is, I don't have control over what goes on inside, right? I mean, as I'm getting older, so I'm like, I'm, I have to be, I'm, I'm ready, I think.
48:52 Bunnie XO? Are you guys trying to have a baby?
48:56 Bunnie XO? Indirectly?
48:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah.
49:00 Bunnie XO? Oh, is Yella open to have a baby?
49:02 Speaker 02 Oh, he wants a child, yeah.
49:03 Bunnie XO? Oh, my God. It's gonna happen. You're, you're putting it in the universe, so it's gonna happen.
49:08 Speaker 02 It'd be cool, being a woman.
49:09 Bunnie XO? Oh, just trying to procreate these days. After all the shit we've done with our bodies is like, you know, it's hard, you know? I lived a very rough life, so I put my body through a lot of shit. I don't know about you, but you know. Yeah, everybody's bodies are different, but it's gonna happen for you guys.
49:26 Speaker 02 Thanks.
49:27 Bunnie XO? I'm really excited. All right, so I'm gonna ask you some rapid fire questions and you have to answer fast.
49:35 Speaker 02 All right, I'll try.
49:35 Bunnie XO? All right. Dream festival lineup, who's playing?
49:39 Speaker 02 Uh, who's playing dream festival lineup? Well, Amy L. and the Sniffers.
49:42 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
49:46 Speaker 02 Ooh, let's throw, I don't know, Mariah Carey in there.
49:51 Bunnie XO? What? What a diverse festival. Would Mariah even step out into a festival with her heels on? You know how bougie she is?
50:00 Speaker 02 But that would be hilarious.
50:01 Bunnie XO? She'd be like me, a festival girl? Never.
50:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:04 Bunnie XO? You get one superpower. What are you choosing?
50:07 Speaker 02 Uh, flying.
50:08 Bunnie XO? Oh, I love that. What is it about flying that you love?
50:12 Speaker 02 I don't know, I dream of it a lot, that I can fly out of situations, feel safe.
50:18 Bunnie XO? Hmm, I love that. Just be above ground and watch everything.
50:21 Speaker 02 Hmm.
50:21 Bunnie XO? I love that. If you weren't doing music, what would you be doing?
50:26 Speaker 02 Uh, does acting count? Or is that still in the same?
50:31 Bunnie XO? Yeah, no, I mean, I think acting's hard, dude. Not that being a musician isn't, but acting is another craft.
50:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, acting. Or working with dolphins. I don't know.
50:41 Bunnie XO? She's like, both, fuck it.
50:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:44 Bunnie XO? What's the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself?
50:48 Speaker 02 Um, weirdest rumor in the land? Uh,
50:54 Speaker 02 I don't know if I have heard any rumors.
50:57 Bunnie XO? She's like, I stay, she's like, I stay so under the radar, bitches, you guys do not know.
51:02 Speaker 02 I'm like, let's create some, that'd be great.
51:05 Bunnie XO? Let's get the rumor, rumor mill flying.
51:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:08 Bunnie XO? Uh, one thing you can't go on tour without?
51:12 Speaker 02 Um, my leather pants.
51:17 Bunnie XO? What did you say? I'm so sorry.
51:18 Speaker 02 Leather pants.
51:19 Bunnie XO? Leather pants. Oh, yeah. No, I agree. Or leather jacket.
51:21 Speaker 02 And leather jacket.
51:22 Bunnie XO? Yeah, totally.
51:23 Speaker 02 Combo.
51:23 Bunnie XO? And we're gonna close this out. What is something that you're working on that fans can get hyped for? Besides new music?
51:30 Speaker 02 Um.
51:32 Bunnie XO? And the tour with Avril.
51:35 Bunnie XO? It's a lot.
51:38 Speaker 02 There's a movie. I'm in a movie.
51:40 Bunnie XO? Yay.
51:40 Speaker 02 And that's coming out, I think the premiere is the end of the month. And, uh, yeah, it's kind of like a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Um, yeah.
51:53 Bunnie XO? What's your part in the movie?
51:55 Speaker 02 I'm a nurse, um, that is in a relationship with a a younger guy who ultimately gets put in a really tough situation and there's a lot of, uh, yeah, violence and sadness, but it, it moved, but the end of the day, the movie is about hope and, um, being resilient. So.
52:16 Bunnie XO? Does it have a name?
52:17 Speaker 02 Morningside.
52:18 Bunnie XO? Morningside.
52:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, Morningside. It's, it's directed by my friend Ron Diaz from Toronto. And yeah, that's something different.
52:26 Bunnie XO? How can people watch it? Can we watch it?
52:28 Speaker 02 I think it'll be in theaters, actually. Yeah.
52:31 Bunnie XO? Look at you, my little actress.
52:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think it'll be in theaters. I don't know if it'll be in theaters, like in Nashville or like whatever, but it'll be somewhere.
52:41 Bunnie XO? Do you think it'll all be on streaming ever?
52:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:43 Bunnie XO? I feel like everything goes to fucking streaming now.
52:44 Speaker 02 Everything goes to streaming like in like two weeks.
52:46 Bunnie XO? Yeah, yeah. I don't even know why.
52:48 Speaker 02 Like Nosferatu is out and everyone's like, we have to go see it in the theater. And then it was like, five days later, it's.
52:52 Bunnie XO? Yeah, I don't even know why they have theaters anymore. I feel like it's just like an, uh, like a, um, what do they call it? Like a, um, God, what is the word?
52:59 Speaker 02 Nostalgic, like.
53:00 Bunnie XO? Nostalgic, yes.
53:01 Speaker 02 The thing is though, when you go, you literally have everyone talking and we, Michael and I went to go see this movie called Presence the other day. And we had, it was so bad. It's supposed to be a horror movie and I, I'm a horror buff. I love horror films. And it was so bad that like I started busting out laughing in like the middle of a really quiet scene and Michael looks at me and goes. We gotta get out of here. Let's just go. Cause we were gonna both die laughing. So we had our popcorn and we, and he had his jalapenos and his nachos with his cheese.
53:33 Bunnie XO? What's your favorite horror movie? Cause one of my girlfriends is a huge horror fan and she even reads like the horror books. Do you read those too?
53:40 Speaker 02 No.
53:41 Bunnie XO? Okay. I don't, I don't know if that's something you'd be into. I don't, well, it's, I forget the name of it. I'll have to go look. I'll, I'll send it to you. I'll screenshot it to you, but she was telling me about how she's reading this book where this guy takes this lady's body, rips her arms off and her teeth out and then like has his way with her. And I'm like, why are you reading that? What the fuck about that turns you on?
54:02 Speaker 02 I kinda get why the teeth were taken out.
54:07 Bunnie XO? I mean, I didn't even think that far ahead. Yeah.
54:10 Speaker 02 Man.
54:11 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Okay. So you're not that much of a horror, like into like the crazy stuff like that?
54:15 Speaker 02 My favorite horror movie is like The Exorcist.
54:17 Bunnie XO? Okay.
54:18 Speaker 02 I love, you know, a good Freddy Krueger. I love Freddy Krueger. So I love Mary on the street. And then, um, uh, Exorcism of Emily Rose. I like, I like that kinda more like a slashers. I'm not a big slasher.
54:31 Bunnie XO? Right. Okay. So you like, like that, like fantasy, dreamy, like horror?
54:35 Speaker 02 Yeah. I like,
54:38 Speaker 02 I like possession.
54:40 Bunnie XO? Okay. So like spiritual. What about the exorcism was like fantasy? I've never watched it. I'm scared. I get scared with like spiritual shit. I'm afraid something's gonna latch on to me.
54:51 Speaker 02 No, it's true. It's one of those things. You have to be very,
54:53 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
54:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. Careful with what you, you watch. Like Michael, he's less about that. But I just make sure that everything's protected. I have people in my life that cleanse the mirrors and do all the things, which is very important.
55:08 Bunnie XO? You have to have a team. Are you into like witchcraft and stuff like that? I didn't know that. So do you practice?
55:15 Speaker 02 I grew up with it around my home and my mom could read cards and she was very spiritually in tuned and could see things and sense things. So it's just natural that I
55:30 Bunnie XO? gravitate.
55:31 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I think it's sometimes people think hear that word and they get scared and there's a lot of like beauty in that and like, you know, there's always good and bad.
55:42 Bunnie XO? Of course. And that's what I was just about to say. I was like, I don't think people, people realize, people think when they hear the word witchcraft, they think about like how the Bible is always like, oh, it's so bad and blah, blah, blah. But really, if you think about it in the Bible, they talk about manifesting. They talk about like spell work and stuff like that. And
55:58 Speaker 02 or even lighting a candle. We like candles all the time.
56:01 Bunnie XO? Communion is a ritual that people do in Christian churches and Catholic churches.
56:07 Speaker 02 And honestly, like, there are good people, there are bad people. People are going to use things for good or for darkness, for anything.
56:15 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
56:15 Speaker 02 You know, so I have a lot of good,
56:20 Speaker 02 beautiful.
56:22 Bunnie XO? People who protect you.
56:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, with beautiful light around them. So.
56:25 Bunnie XO? And you're protected in the spiritual realm, too.
56:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, now I got puppies up there. I got my dogs. I got extra protection. I love my girl so much.
56:33 Bunnie XO? Fifi, thank you so much for coming back.
56:36 Speaker 02 Thank you for having me.
56:37 Bunnie XO? I'm just so happy to be sitting here with you and I'm just, I can see the growth in you too. Like, it's so sweet. Not, not that you needed growth or anything like that, but you know, I mean, 10 years is a huge thing. So I can just see like how much, you know, life you've lived since we met.
56:52 Speaker 02 Thank you. I appreciate that.
56:54 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Tell people where they can find you.
56:56 Speaker 02 Um, well, I guess I have a TikTok.
57:00 Bunnie XO? I'm gonna go follow it right now. I'm so excited.
57:02 Speaker 02 I do have a TikTok. And then I think my actual Instagram is Fifi Dobson. I actually don't even know. Is my Instagram Fifi Dobson?
57:11 Bunnie XO? We'll look it up right now.
57:12 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh. Everyone's like, what the heck?
57:16 Bunnie XO? TikTok is Fifi Dobson too, right? Okay.
57:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:19 Bunnie XO? Yeah, they're all following right now.
57:22 Speaker 02 That's me.
57:23 Bunnie XO? Dude, you and Yella should make some TikToks. They'll go viral.
57:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:26 Bunnie XO? Or even, dude, go on TikTok and sing one of your, your classic songs like to the, like, just like you getting ready. That would fucking go viral, dude.
57:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I need your help.
57:35 Bunnie XO? I got you.
57:35 Speaker 02 I love when musicians are like stripped down like you said.
57:38 Bunnie XO? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:39 Speaker 02 I want to do that thing that they, what do they do at Starbucks where you make your, your significant person like, you know, order you a drink that doesn't exist and they get so frustrated?
57:48 Bunnie XO? Yes.
57:48 Speaker 02 Please.
57:49 Bunnie XO? Oh, my God, he would get so mad, too.
57:50 Speaker 02 Oh, he gets so.
57:52 Bunnie XO? Do it.
57:53 Speaker 02 It would be so funny.
57:55 Bunnie XO? Do it, please. Not at the cost of anything, an argument, but please, just do it. I think it would be so funny, dude.
58:01 Speaker 02 So funny. Yay. Yay.
58:03 Bunnie XO? You guys, go follow Phoebe right now. She needs all the love on TikTok, please. And I can't wait to see you just succeed and keep growing like you have been.
58:11 Speaker 02 I appreciate it.
58:12 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
58:12 Speaker 02 Love you. Love you.
58:14 Bunnie XO? Thank you, guys, for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you, guys, next week. Bye.
58:21 Speaker 05 I hope I don't have to cancel again tonight.
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