Episode 316 - Caught on Camera: Evidence of Bigfoot & Hawaii's Nightmarchers

Some say seeing is believing—but what about hearing? In this episode, we investigate actual recordings, chilling photos, and video evidence that could prove the existence of ancient warrior spirits, Bigfoot, and other paranormal entities. Bigfoot: Howls, Growls and Massive Footprints Corinne can barely contain herself as we break down first-hand accounts of massive footprints, a recordings of strange creatures whooping, and a startling new case from a listener who found giant tracks near their home. Could this be proof that Sasquatch is closer than we think? The Nightmarchers: A Deadly Procession Caught on Camera? A viral image taken during a Hawaiian ultra-marathon has left the internet divided and terrified—is this a Nightmarcher emerging from the shadows, or something even more mysterious? We dive into the legend of these ancient warrior spirits, the eerie first-hand encounters, and the haunting sounds that signal their arrival. This episode is packed with real-life footage, eerie recordings, and strange photographic evidence that will leave you questioning everything. If ghosts, cryptids, and the unexplained are your thing, you do not want to miss this one. Hawaii’s “Ghost Guy” Lopaka Kapanui – who was recognized by the state legislature for being a storyteller and perpetuating a lot of the Hawaiian stories. Watch Kapuni’s telling of a haunting nightmarchers encounter. Watch the video version here. This Episode is Sponsored by Smalls & Graza. Smalls cat food is protein packed recipes made with preservative free ingredients you’d find in your fridge. Give your cat the food they deserve Head to Smalls.com and use promo code TGOG at checkout for 50% off your first order PLUS free shipping! Graza is our favorite olive oil! Head to Graza.co and use TGOG to get 10% off of TRIO which includes Sizzle, Frizzle and Drizzle, and get to cooking your next chef-quality meal! Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. Two Girls, One Ghost is the most haunted podcast in America.

• 0:06Corinne Vien?

  Where each week, we dive into all things strange, spooky, and supernatural, and share stories of paranormal encounters from our community of listeners.

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• 1:51Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 1:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 1:52Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  And if you whisper it with us, you're not alone. You're not weird. A lot of people do it.

• 1:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are your ghosts, as that is Corinne.

• 2:01Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and I'm a bit melancholy today.

• 2:05Corinne Vien?

  Why?

• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Depression's been knocking at my door.

• 2:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but you love the rain and it rained so much yesterday. Did you run outside in the rain?

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, I didn't really get to enjoy it.

• 2:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that's why we talk about ghost stories, because it makes me feel so much better.

• 2:19Corinne Vien?

  It does. And I know I almost never talk about the things my child is doing, but we have um, a new update on Noah.

• 2:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 2:28Corinne Vien?

  So he's walking assisted, like he floats on by, he barely grabs your fingers and runs.

• 2:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:34Corinne Vien?

  He has become obsessed with the skeleton.

• 2:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah, he loves Sven?

• 2:39Corinne Vien?

  All this morning, he was like, let me in the room, let me in the room. And I brought him in and he's like, holding on to me one-handed. And then with his other hand, he's only nine months old, so he doesn't have great balance. With the other hand, he's touching Sven's face, touching his mouth, and he's not like really aggressive. He was like touching his ribs, trying to talk to him.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so creepy.

• 2:59Corinne Vien?

  So we have a creepy kid in the making.

• 3:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which we knew.

• 3:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because you would always birth a creepy kid.

• 3:04Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 3:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, today, we have evidence of a couple of things. People love stories that have photo evidence.

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  We love stories that have photo evidence.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That. And some people are like, pish posh, that's not real. Well, we have a couple of things that we're going to try to use photo evidence to prove the existence of the paranormal and potentially cryptids. And I think you should go first.

• 3:31Corinne Vien?

  Bigfoot is real, and there is evidence to prove it, if you didn't already know.

• 3:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:36Corinne Vien?

  I'm a firm believer.

• 3:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How does Corinne feel?

• 3:39Corinne Vien?

  That the squash is out there, the squash live amongst us. And if you're lucky, you may just find a Bigfoot print.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For some reason, I just wanted to say squash crotch, which made me think about the boxers I got Brian on your wedding weekend.

• 3:52Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god. You rolled up to the wedding weekend, you'd stopped at the like Cookie Place Cookie Love in Vermont. And you were like, here's some cookies. And Brian, I got you this special gift. And he opens it up and it's boxers. To say, what was it? Was it?

• 4:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it said something about like squash crotch.

• 4:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, something like that. It was Bigfoot themed boxers.

• 4:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I was like, where are those on your wedding night?

• 4:11Corinne Vien?

  Little store in the tiny little town that you stopped in on the way.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. Bigfoot was a part of your marital. Bliss.

• 4:19Corinne Vien?

  Always.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Corinne Vien?

  Always.

• 4:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Corinne Vien?

  Man, missed opportunity to include him in my vows. So Bigfoot is real. And I'm covering some indisputable evidence. This is a fact-based episode. We're going to talk about the classic prints, the Bigfoot tracks. And also a newer piece of evidence, now that we have the technology that we do today, captured vocalizations of Bigfoot.

• 4:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne is submitting herself to the Bigfoot Call Festival in Whitehall, New York. It's every summer.

• 4:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Catch Corinne there.

• 4:54Corinne Vien?

  Everyone goes like this over there. I don't need to go, I don't need any hands over. I got it.

• 4:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Bigfoot Sasquatch.

• 5:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We should just do like a five-minute episode where people submit their Bigfoot calls and we just do all the different Bigfoot calls.

• 5:08Corinne Vien?

  I'd love it.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, so send us a video of you doing your best Bigfoot call and we'll put a compilation together.

• 5:14Corinne Vien?

  We can vote.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 5:15Corinne Vien?

  And then also.

• 5:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll send out an award.

• 5:18Corinne Vien?

  We'll send out an award. And then I think before all of the ads, you know how we normally have "Liam meow"?

• 5:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll do Bigfoot.

• 5:23Corinne Vien?

  We're just gonna do random people's Bigfoot calls. It's a transition.

• 5:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So shocking.

• 5:31Corinne Vien?

  Chaos.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm just imagining a really heartfelt, sad story. See you on the other side, from Sarah. Woo. This episode is sponsored by.

• 5:41Corinne Vien?

  We have to do it. It's so funny. Well, I can talk about Bigfoot all day. Bigfoot has a few other names that we have heard. Sasquatch, Abominable Snowman, Yeti, Yowie, many other names. We have a three-part Bigfoot series. It was episode 232, 233, and 234. So if you want to get into the nitty-gritty details of Bigfoot, we did cover a lot there.

• 6:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So Corinne did two episodes of Bigfoot Evidence and I did like a hoax episode? Because there are a lot of hoaxes about Bigfoot.

• 6:11Corinne Vien?

  But in your hoaxes, it was a really important, so part one is about like kind of the historical evidence of Bigfoot and how Bigfoot came to get its name. Part two was hoaxes and you also gave kind of like an identification chart of what to look for.

• 6:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The red flags.

• 6:26Corinne Vien?

  The red flags and the green flags. Like, how do you know if something is authentic?

• 6:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 6:32Corinne Vien?

  Or could be authentic.

• 6:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Corinne Vien?

  And then part three is sort of those like modern day like caught on film footage.

• 6:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:38Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so Bigfoot, it's this large bipedal creature covered in fur. Often the fur is described as a dark brown or a black, but oftentimes if you go out to like the Himalayas, Nepal, they'll talk about like the classic abominable snowman having this white fur, but oftentimes still has like this sort of brown in those areas too. It reminds me of like an ermine, just like a weasel, you know, how they like in the winter, their coats white to match the snow and then in the summer they're brown. Yeah. Bigfoots usually stand about eight feet tall, but some accounts have reported that the creature be up to fifteen feet in height.

• 7:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huge.

• 7:15Corinne Vien?

  Wild. It's estimated that many weigh around eight hundred pounds. So obviously when there's a footprint, it's a pretty deep footprint found.

• 7:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A hefty foot.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  And these footprints measure up to twenty four inches long and eight inches wide. Its hands and feet appear quite ape-like and researchers have found distinct dermal planes across the feet similar to apes. And this is one of the things that you brought up in that second part of the Bigfoot series is the dermal plane. So it's almost impossible when we look at photos that I'm going to present today to see if there is dermal planes, because it's something that comes up when you put a cast or take a cast of the print.

• 7:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 7:52Corinne Vien?

  So when the print comes up, if it's totally flat, you know that someone probably went out with like a wooden board or some sort of carving and stamped the footprint in. But if you put your own foot in ink and pressed down, there's going to be all these like little tiny marks of where the skin is and folds.

• 8:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know how like every fingerprint is unique, which is why you can get caught for crimes with your fingerprints? I'm curious if Bigfoot, or even does animals have that same thing? Like, do they have unique imprints imprinting on their fingers that we could catch their crimes?

• 8:25Corinne Vien?

  Or at least identify like, was this the same?

• 8:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Corinne Vien?

  Being creeping through my yard every night or are there multiple?

• 8:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 8:33Corinne Vien?

  The creature's eyes are said to be quite round and sometimes they're reported to glow red or yellow. They're mostly seen at night, believed may- Maybe to be nocturnal or just using night as a time to wander around freely. Oftentimes they're spotted alone. They try their best to avoid humans. They'll often hear about knocking, so the tree knocking where they take a branch or something and knock aggressively on a nearby trunk to warn you maybe of its presence and to have you back off. If you get a little too close, you might have a rock thrown at you.

• 9:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They do like to throw rocks.

• 9:09Corinne Vien?

  They really like to throw rocks.

• 9:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's interesting because is it bears who will like rub up against the bark and it's like almost giving themselves a little back massages? Like I wonder if Bigfoots do that too.

• 9:19Corinne Vien?

  They do feel ape-like enough that I'm like, I wonder if they just in their little crew, scratch each other, you know, pick out the stuff of each other.

• 9:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If not, Corinne is looking for a Bigfoot to pick.

• 9:30Corinne Vien?

  I have some combs that I don't use. I'd be happy to spare one, groom you.

• 9:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I really wish I was wearing the Bigfoot costume, just sitting here, listening to you talk.

• 9:41Corinne Vien?

  Sweating your ass off.

• 9:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, but just sitting here.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  So good.

• 9:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It would be so fun.

• 9:45Corinne Vien?

  Okay, Bigfoots, they make noises. They will shriek, they will howl, they will growl, they will scream loudly and echoes through the forest and across canyons. It's thought that this could be a form of communication between Bigfoots, but also to warn hikers and rogue campers or people wandering in the woods to back off. They also come with an incredibly strong odor, quite foul, it is said.

• 10:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You got me the scent of the moon. I would like to find a company that has the scent of Bigfoot bottled up.

• 10:17Corinne Vien?

  Yuck, but yum. In the last fifty years, there have been more than ten thousand eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot in the continental US alone. Yet Bigfoot has never been captured. We've never found a dead body of Bigfoot. And so that's kind of where the conspiracy theories, which I won't get into in this episode, we did cover them a bit in the three parter and have trickled them into so many other episodes.

• 10:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whenever possible.

• 10:41Corinne Vien?

  Whenever possible.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brings them up.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  But there is the theory that, you know, Bigfoots are not some sort of traditional cryptid or creature that just exists here, but they could be some sort of interdimensional being.

• 10:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 10:52Corinne Vien?

  That kind of works their way through portals, that they have some sort of like cloaking capabilities where they can become invisible or hide themselves and move freely without us always knowing. But we do still have evidence of their existence. And the first piece of evidence that I want to go over, the tracks. Bigfoot footprints. A big foot in the snow. A big foot in the mud.

• 11:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause that's one thing, like if they as physical beings can teleport or go back and forth between different dimensions, wherever, interdimensional beings, if we want to call them that, they can't erase their footprints.

• 11:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, they can't. But it is also interesting because it's like oftentimes there will be a couple of prints and then it will just seem like it completely vanished into thin air, which is odd because it's like, well, if there's something this big moving forward, where do they go?

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm just picturing, I don't know what movie first did this, but the like trope of walking backwards to make it look like your footprints are going in a certain direction or walking to a certain point and then backpedaling in the exact prints to like mislead a predator. No, I think it's like an older thing, but I'm just imagining Bigfoot trying to mislead people. And so

• 12:04Corinne Vien?

  They drop out of the portal.

• 12:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do a couple of footprints and then back up through them really strategically.

• 12:10Corinne Vien?

  And we don't know how far they can jump. What if they can fly? We don't know.

• 12:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 12:13Corinne Vien?

  They think the T-Rex had wings now, so we don't know anything about anything.

• 12:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, we don't.

• 12:18Corinne Vien?

  Bigfoots could be purple and sparkly. Okay, so indigenous people across the world have been reporting on these mysterious large footprints and these huge beasts in the woods for centuries and centuries. Himalayan Buddhists often speak of their encounters with these giant creatures to date. So there's still many modern sightings. And it was evident that these things had been around for a very long time. However, there is one person. Who was often credited with the first discovery of a set of Sasquatch footprints. David Thompson was one of North America's greatest pathfinders and surveyors. He traveled by foot, by horse, by canoe, all over the continent. He just spent the majority of his life outside traversing these uncharted territories and dense woods

• 13:02Corinne Vien?

  and just difficult terrain to navigate. And he was establishing the first permanent trading ports in much of North America. In the fall of 1811, while traveling through Canada, he was not able to take the route he had planned to take. So instead, he had to follow the Athabasca River. And then he journeyed up the Athabasca Mountains over the Athabasca Pass. It's a hard word for me to say, and I can't believe I had to say it three times.

• 13:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You did a good job.

• 13:30Corinne Vien?

  So this was a multi-month journey. This took a really long time. So he was in this area where he was like basically.

• 13:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was he by himself?

• 13:37Corinne Vien?

  No, he did have a team with him.

• 13:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  On January 7th, 1811, David wrote in his journal, which he'd been keeping the entire time, about something quite odd that they encountered at the mouth of the Whirlpool River. Here's what he said, quote, "Continuing our journey in the afternoon, we came on the track of a large animal. The snow about six inches deep on the ice. I measured it, four large toes, each of four inches in length, to each a short claw. The ball of the foot sunk three inches lower than the toes. The hinder part of the foot did not mark well, the length 14 inches by eight inches in breadth. Walking from north to south and having passed about six hours, we were in no humor to follow him.

• 14:22Corinne Vien?

  And the men and the indigenous guides would have it to be a young mammoth. And I held it to be the track of a large, old, grizzled bear. Yet the shortness of the nails, the ball of the foot, the great size, it was not that of a bear."

• 14:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that you're almost, you're like reading it as if you're the one who's writing it. Like the confound, confused mentality. What have I seen?

• 14:44Corinne Vien?

  What have I seen? Otherwise, that of a very large old bear, his claws worn away, and this.

• 14:52Corinne Vien?

  The indigenous would not allow. And so accompanying David on this trip was a group of men. And four of these men were very seasoned hunters. And so in the three-part Bigfoot series, we did go over what bear tracks versus Bigfoot tracks look like and have a whole section on that. And so many of you guys might be thinking like, this could be a bear. But with all these seasoned hunters, they're looking at these tracks, the people who live on the land are looking at these tracks. And the hunters are like, hard pass. We're not following this thing because we don't know if our weapons, our guns can actually do anything against this creature. Given the size that it appears to be.

• 15:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  Based on its prints.

• 15:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:32Corinne Vien?

  So this is kind of the start of people really across continents, across countries, communicating with each other as they travel about the wild men that they encounter. And so while David Thompson found evidence of one in Alberta, Canada, there were also now many reports popping up in the Himalayan Mountains. Explorers, outdoorsmen, guides, photographers, whoever dared go into these mountains, they found large, human-like footprints in the snow. And the Sherpas called this creature Mato Kongmi, which means as a direct translation into English, man bear, snowman.

• 16:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, fair, because it's like, it's a combination of all these things.

• 16:14Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 16:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is it?

• 16:15Corinne Vien?

  And we did cover this in a three-part series, but there was some translation errors along the way. And that's basically how it got abominable snowman. In the Himalayans, in this time, we finally got the first photographic proof of these prints.

• 16:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What year is this?

• 16:30Corinne Vien?

  This is now the 1950s. And British explorer and highly respected Everest explorer Eric Shipton was looking for an alternate route up Mount Everest. Which is so crazy because like, think of how many people go up Mount Everest now. Are y'all seeing Bigfoots?

• 16:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably.

• 16:47Corinne Vien?

  Are you just thinking you're hallucinating?

• 16:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. It's also just so extremely dangerous that.

• 16:51Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 16:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It, yeah.

• 16:52Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure the Bigfoots are scared of everyone who goes up Everest. So like, why are you here? You, I've watched you guys die for.

• 16:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:59Corinne Vien?

  A century now.

• 17:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, there's so many, like, there's like specific paths that you have to take and follow when you're going up Everest. So there's plenty of free space for Bigfoot to roam.

• 17:09Corinne Vien?

  Totally. So Eric Shipton, he was looking for a different route up Mount Everest alongside fellow explorer Michael Ward and famed mountaineer Tom Bordion. So he had a very qualified group of people going up with him.

• 17:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 17:22Corinne Vien?

  They were west of Mount Everest on the Nepal Tibet border when Eric Shipton spotted a humanoid footprint in the snow. And he placed his ice pick next to the footprint and he snapped a picture. The footprint wasn't much bigger than Eric's boot in his hiking boots.

• 17:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 17:37Corinne Vien?

  But it was still really large. It was about 13 inches and this footprint was very clear. It left a sharp imprint in this like crispy snow. And the large toe almost looked like a thumb. It looked very primate like and it definitely was not a boot and definitely not a human.

• 17:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can I look?

• 17:54Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 17:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. It's second toe is much taller than the big toe. It would not be good at point.

• 18:01Corinne Vien?

  No, and this is confusing because it's like, if you look at the bears in this region, it shouldn't really match because it does, it does look much more primate like.

• 18:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 18:10Corinne Vien?

  It looks like a gorilla's foot.

• 18:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 18:12Corinne Vien?

  But are gorillas on Mount Everest?

• 18:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think so.

• 18:16Corinne Vien?

  Not that I've heard of.

• 18:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not a scientist, but I don't think so. Huh.

• 18:20Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so the footprints went on for about one mile and then they went down the glacier. So whatever it was could navigate really intense terrain.

• 18:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Barefoot, too.

• 18:29Corinne Vien?

  Barefoot.

• 18:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there's no shoes.

• 18:31Corinne Vien?

  This bear wasn't wearing shoes.

• 18:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, shockingly. No, but I mean that it's not a human because.

• 18:36Corinne Vien?

  Okay, yeah.

• 18:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Leave shoes out for your local bears. You don't know how cold their feet are.

• 18:44Corinne Vien?

  They might want one, but their thumbs, they don't, it doesn't work.

• 18:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It doesn't work. They need like Crocs, Crocs for Bigfoot.

• 18:50Corinne Vien?

  You think they're going into your trash for food? They're actually looking for shoes to fit them. Did anyone throw out some old Hoka's? Okay. Eric and the other men were very highly respected in their fields. And so it was never really a question that this could have been some sort of hoax. It was immediately accepted as proof of some unknown creature navigating the harsh mountainscape. The evidence of said creature being this rogue footprint and also many oral stories that were passed around by the people in Nepal and this region. And this triggered the hunt for the yeti.

• 19:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hate that it became a hunt.

• 19:23Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 19:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know?

• 19:23Corinne Vien?

  We have TV shows all dedicated towards this now.

• 19:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everyone, and we talked about this in the three-part series, but I feel like there's just this like desire to be the first person to catch and in order to really like present it, you probably do have to, whether it's dart it with a sleeping aid or kill it.

• 19:42Corinne Vien?

  Kill it. No, it's, it's awful. I mean, think about how many people have, they've all been hoaxes, but said that they have like a dead Bigfoot in a freezer or whatever. And then it'd be

• 19:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:51Corinne Vien?

  Jeff the mongoose. We did Jeff the mongoose as an episode.

• 19:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love him.

• 19:54Corinne Vien?

  And there's someone who went in and said, I shot and killed Jeff. And thankfully it was a different mongoose, but still a mongoose lost its life.

• 20:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 20:02Corinne Vien?

  Very upsetting. Okay. But yeah, you don't have to be a hunter or a TV personality, apparently to, to find evidence of Bigfoot. In 1980, 50 years ago, but it feels recent to me when we say 1980. Locals in Johnstown, Pennsylvania discovered this odd footprint.

• 20:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 20:20Corinne Vien?

  It was 17.75 inches long. So 17 and three quarters inches long. It was pressed into the dirt, but it was not in the woods. It was not on a trail. It was by someone's house. It was in a residential area.

• 20:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just one print?

• 20:33Corinne Vien?

  Just one print. And this footprint appeared around the same time that people started reporting really weird noises in the area and foul odors wafting through.

• 20:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like Bigfoot made a mistake. Like, he didn't mean to be there.

• 20:48Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 20:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so deep, too.

• 20:50Corinne Vien?

  It's huge. Yeah, so in the photo, there's a matchbox put and someone's hand for size comparison. It's extremely deep. It's huge. The toes are very spread apart.

• 21:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's interesting because the guy who wrote the journal said that there were four toes. And this has five. So maybe there was, because his foot was cold, he lost a toe.

• 21:11Corinne Vien?

  He, he may have. And also, I will say, if Bigfoot is this sort of alien interdimensional being, are there many different types of Bigfoots from all over?

• 21:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not? What do we know?

• 21:21Corinne Vien?

  We don't know anything. Then, a very recent sighting, an email from one of our listeners. Brianna, who, we read this email in Encounter 79, but that was before YouTube, so we didn't have a way of presenting these photos. Because, I mean, YouTube existed, but we weren't on it.

• 21:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were not on it.

• 21:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So Brianna sent in an email titled, "My Dad Found Evidence of Bigfoot." She writes, "My dad goes deer and elk hunting in a super secluded area in eastern Oregon every year."

• 21:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which, Oregon, Bigfoot country.

• 21:52Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. "He's an avid Bigfoot believer, and it all started because of one of the hunting trips. Years ago, while walking around in the woods, he spotted a footprint on the ground. Upon spotting it, he immediately ran back to the camp to get his phone and something to make a makeshift cement cast, or whatever you call it, because this thing was huge. It was a barefoot print that was about three times the size of any normal human print that he'd ever seen. First of all, no person is walking around these woods barefoot. Second of all, my cousin had size 18 feet, and these prints were even bigger than that."

• 22:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which, that, I feel like, is, a size 18 foot is massive. Whereas, we were in Seattle, and in the public market, there's like a little, like, museum to...

• 22:38Corinne Vien?

  And downstairs.

• 22:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Downstairs.

• 22:39Corinne Vien?

  Downstairs.

• 22:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With, like, the largest shoe ever created. For that man that we talked about, I can't remember when we talked about it and what his name is, but his foot was massive.

• 22:48Corinne Vien?

  Huge.

• 22:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, he was massive.

• 22:50Corinne Vien?

  If he walked around, you'd probably say that was Bigfoot.

• 22:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:53Corinne Vien?

  Print.

• 22:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:54Corinne Vien?

  My dad still has the casting and the picture somewhere, and if I can get a hold of it, I'll send pictures, which she later did. This print is not natural. After that, he began looking for more signs of Bigfoot every year. Last year, he had another strange experience. While looking for a deer in those same woods, he found a deer carcass with a missing head. Which also seems to be another MO of like a decapitated deer or like a deer hung up in a weird way of

• 23:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Corinne Vien?

  On the trees. That in itself is not odd because poachers will illegally kill deer just for their heads.

• 23:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, to like, put them on the wall.

• 23:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. If you're gonna kill a deer, eat the deer. Don't just decapitate it and run away. Weird.

• 23:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just don't.

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  You weirdo.

• 23:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't eat animals. That's personal preference.

• 23:37Corinne Vien?

  The carcass had pretty much been picked clean, which again, isn't odd because other animals in the area would likely do that. What was exceptionally odd, though, was that the next day when he passed by that same carcass, something had put its head right back on top of its carcass.

• 23:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's weird.

• 23:55Corinne Vien?

  That's definitely not something another animal or a poacher would do. He thinks maybe Bigfoot decided to leave him a gift or maybe a warning after seeing my dad poking around its dinner. Crazy, right? Okay, and then we have six photos.

• 24:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh. So the first photo was the one that her dad saw was in the rocks.

• 24:13Corinne Vien?

  Which it looks like there's five toes here as well.

• 24:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's also like, I'm impressed, I guess they're hunters, so it makes sense that they're like tracking and stuff, but I wouldn't notice this. I wouldn't stop to look at this. Because it's in the rocks.

• 24:26Corinne Vien?

  Right, you're not looking for, yeah, the ones in the mud are a little bit more obvious.

• 24:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:30Corinne Vien?

  Perhaps though, if you're a hunter, you recognize tracks and you're in Bigfoot country, your mind might go there a little bit more, but I would look at this and I wouldn't think anything. Like, oh, there's just like a weird indentation, someone slipped or.

• 24:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Corinne Vien?

  But no, it's like, when you actually look at it, you're like, oh, there's the toes and.

• 24:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why do I feel like they like almost look like dinosaur sized prints? Like what if Bigfoot is?

• 24:53Corinne Vien?

  A dinosaur.

• 24:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A dinosaur.

• 24:55Corinne Vien?

  That still lives. Totally.

• 24:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then, but then it's like, why don't we have evidence of their, I mean, that's the hardest thing.

• 25:01Corinne Vien?

  Well, maybe they go and die like deep, deep, deep within caves or something, you know? Like how like a dog will run deep into the woods to try to die away from its family. Maybe Bigfoot's, or they have like their own sort of ceremonial burial practice.

• 25:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think the only way I could believe that Bigfoot are real is if they are interdimensional beings. And they die somewhere else because I do feel like.

• 25:28Corinne Vien?

  Or are collected.

• 25:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or they're, yeah, they're beamed up by aliens.

• 25:32Corinne Vien?

  I mean, if they're not of this world, then perhaps whatever they're made out of.

• 25:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 25:37Corinne Vien?

  Could decompose at a much quicker rate than how.

• 25:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's interesting.

• 25:42Corinne Vien?

  Things of Earth do.

• 25:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 25:44Corinne Vien?

  Right? Like the way that it mixes with the soil or whatever. Maybe it's just like.

• 25:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:47Corinne Vien?

  Done.

• 25:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think the whole thing is if you believe Bigfoot is real, I think you also have to believe that we are so limited. Which this part is fact. We as humans are so limited by our knowledge and we only know what we know. We don't know what we don't know.

• 26:03Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 26:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's so much that we don't know.

• 26:06Corinne Vien?

  I know. It's wild.

• 26:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay. So perhaps I should spend some time following Brana's dad around. But on to another piece of evidence, which is the Bigfoot vocalizations. We Pavlov dogged our podcast cat Leia. Now, when we finish recording, she knows that she's going to be rewarded with Smalls. This podcast is sponsored by Smalls. If you're a listener of the show, you know that Leia cannot live without Smalls. To get 50% off your first order plus free shipping, you can head to Smalls.com and use promo code TGOG. And you'll want to because Smalls cat food is protein packed recipes made with preservative free ingredients that you would find in your fridge. So it's fresh, it's delivered right to your door. And that is why cats.com named Smalls their best overall food.

• 26:51Corinne Vien?

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• 27:53Corinne Vien?

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• 28:22Corinne Vien?

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• 28:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 28:28Corinne Vien?

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• 28:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like proven to be something else.

• 28:59Corinne Vien?

  Right, exactly. The sound that was recorded suggests that Bigfoots have rudimentary language through complex spoken sounds. This series of recordings have been analyzed by professionals who can't identify what creature is making the sound, but based on what they've heard. It's been theorized that the animal is quite larger than a human. And based on the frequencies of the sounds, it's definitely not human vocals either.

• 29:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 29:22Corinne Vien?

  So this specific recording, you can listen to the entire recording. It's, I think there's like 30 minutes of audio or something like that that's public.

• 29:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 29:30Corinne Vien?

  But I'm going to play a very short clip of it for this podcast. But these recordings were captured by a group of friends. They were also hunters and in the 1950s, they started going deep into the Sierra Nevada Mountains for this annual trip together. And for two decades, this group would go have the best time, had no issues, just enjoyed their time together. Until 1971, when the sun set and odd noises began to emanate through the woods. It sounded big. It sounded close. And sometimes it would happen in the dead of night, waking them from their slumber. And the men would be really scared.

• 30:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 30:04Corinne Vien?

  So there's photos of the tree that they would actually hide in, but they were this like hollowed out tree. And the trees in this area can be massive, you know? And so they're hiding in this tree and they have like a makeshift door, basically to like block themselves in. And they would hide in here together and listen to this creature. And it sounded like grunting and screaming and whistling and whooping and rapping on trees and rocks. And if the noises began when they were outside, they would run into the shelter. But after that, they started to kind of just spend a lot of time at night in the shelter because it just kept happening over and over again. And they did not want to risk their safety. So this happened in 1971. And the next year when they returned, they actually brought a reporter with them named Al Berry.

• 30:49Corinne Vien?

  And Al Berry was very skeptical of Bigfoot, but they wanted another person to be like, no, this is someone outside of our group. Who can also hear this, maybe if it happens again this year.

• 30:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 30:58Corinne Vien?

  And this will be proof and this person can record the sounds. So over a series of recordings, they managed to get 90 minutes of audio recordings.

• 31:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Minutes.

• 31:06Corinne Vien?

  Of Bigfoots. There's thought to be more than one captured on these recordings. And in the audio, they mimic the sounds back to the animals in an attempt to communicate. And here is what they heard.

• 31:53Speaker 06

  There's two of them across the creek at the big rocks.

• 32:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyone want some inspo for their calls?

• 32:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like at the end they're getting like, even just listening, I felt like tension. Like they shouldn't be poking them like that.

• 33:00Corinne Vien?

  No, and it does feel like there's some sort of scheming almost between the group

• 33:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:05Corinne Vien?

  of not humans of like Bigfoots of like, should we go get them? But it's so wild because it's like the range of vocalizations in that is crazy. You know, you have like the "oh, oh", which kind of sounds elk-like in a way, but obviously a lot deeper. But then there's like, it's that they're like, "ah, ah", and then there's a "hurrah, hurrah, hurrah", like weird.

• 33:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's why I'm saying like it felt like at first it was just a call and then it started to get more and more aggressive and anxiety. Like I feel like the Bigfoots had anxiety.

• 33:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's why it was getting a little bit more chaotic and messy. And it almost felt like a pack of dogs barking at each other.

• 33:45Corinne Vien?

  It did feel like that.

• 33:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:46Corinne Vien?

  The voices sound so different too. Like it's almost like they have a very distinct, like I guess like humans too, but it does.

• 33:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 33:53Corinne Vien?

  It's crazy. Okay. So this group of people, they would strain their eyes, they would try to peek through the cracks of this like wooden structure of logs and tree and whatever that they put together to try to protect themselves, but they would never see anything, they would never spot the animal. But clearly, there was something or many somethings right there.

• 34:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  So terrified, they'd huddle in the fort until the sun came up. Sometimes they would find footprints, large footprints in the snow or in the pine after this. And after a couple of years, they wondered if whatever it was, was trying to scare them away.

• 34:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 34:24Corinne Vien?

  So the tapes have been reviewed by many experts and everyone has come to a similar conclusion, it would be very difficult to fake this because so many of the voices are overlapping each other in the tapes. The group of human campers are trying to make the noises back.

• 34:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they sound so different than the potential Bigfoots.

• 34:43Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And then the, the two creatures, or they think that there might be two, um, are presumably communicating with one another or trying to send some warning signals to this group of campers.

• 34:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 34:55Corinne Vien?

  Based on pitch and sound, it's estimated that the beings are about seven to eight feet tall.

• 35:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so interesting that they can, based on sound, predict the height. That's so wild.

• 35:06Corinne Vien?

  All right. So everyone remembers what they just heard, right?

• 35:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:09Corinne Vien?

  May 2024, we get an email from a listener in New Hampshire named Beth.

• 35:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 35:14Corinne Vien?

  She writes, "I recently listened to your episode about Mount Wiley and this triggered a memory of mine, and I'm going to tell you about a story related to my was-bins," which I love saying a was-bin instead of a ex-husband.

• 35:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh wait, I like that.

• 35:27Corinne Vien?

  A was-bins family farm.

• 35:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Corinne Vien?

  During that time, I lived on the property and a lot of weird things happened. One night, it was around nine PM in the late spring and early fall. I had just gone to bed, so the house was quiet. All the windows were shut because even though it was warm during the day, once the sun goes down, it gets quite chilly.

• 35:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:45Corinne Vien?

  As I settled in, I heard a loud sound in the woods across the street. Sounded like an owl. And we do have lots of owls in our woods and they're a rowdy bunch all summer long. And then I heard another hoot. And this one made me think, that's a loud owl. And then a third hoot. And this one sounded like a man imitating an owl. And it was so loud that I shot up in bed. I grabbed my phone and I ran out of the bedroom to find my husband and I could still hear it and it was whooping, not hooting. I met my husband at the door and he and our dog scrambled inside absolutely shitting themselves. The dog was terrified, he was so rattled and then my husband grabbed a gun and so did I and we went back outside and we stood on the porch to listen. We could clearly hear that there was this creature

• 36:30Corinne Vien?

  on two feet that was whooping as it ran behind our barn towards our field where our livestock were.

• 36:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Another common thing is Bigfoots are sometimes attack livestock.

• 36:42Corinne Vien?

  I was able to record the sound and I'll attach it for your listening pleasure. We took off the porch running towards the sound and our animals and when we got, which also so brave and also dumb.

• 36:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Corinne Vien?

  Don't do that, but I guess they have weapons.

• 36:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brave and dumb sometimes are synonymous.

• 36:57Corinne Vien?

  Right. When we got to the field, everything was quiet. We have a guard llama and he seemed very laid back, like whatever this thing was, was not a threat to him.

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why do I feel like a guard llama is always laid back?

• 37:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Also, what a good guard animal.

• 37:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want a guard llama.

• 37:16Corinne Vien?

  To be spit on and trampled, not me.

• 37:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want like, instead of like beware of dog on my front door, it says beware of llama.

• 37:22Corinne Vien?

  Beware of llama. Llamas and camels, underrated guard animals.

• 37:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh, I feel like emus would be good ones too.

• 37:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Most of them are nasty, I think.

• 37:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Swans too.

• 37:31Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 37:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geese.

• 37:33Corinne Vien?

  We have options. We gotta train the geese and the swans.

• 37:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To like us and hate everyone else.

• 37:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:38Corinne Vien?

  Okay, now, side note, we have seen him run off a moose and wild dogs, so it was surprising that he wasn't alarmed by this thing. We didn't see anything that night. I have so many more questions about a guard llama. Like, how do you train the guard llama?

• 37:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, do you have a photo and what's his name?

• 37:55Corinne Vien?

  Tell us more about your llama. We didn't see anything that night, but it was eerie. And when we sent the recordings off to BFRO, which is the Bigfoot Research Organization, they analyzed it and they said that it was not a known animal to the area that we were in. Time passes and a few years later, we find a 14 inch set of tracks in our driveway. There was a six-foot stride between the footprints and they were leading away from the barn door. The driveway is hard-packed dirt, so this thing must have been heavy to leave these prints.

• 38:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 38:28Corinne Vien?

  We did cast the print and the strangest thing is it only had three toes. Otherwise, it looked like a normal footprint, supersized. At that time, that was all the evidence we had, but we did find a few more prints weeks later after a tornado had ripped through our property and taken out about 80 acres of woods, which is also such a rare thing to happen in New Hampshire. It was also the same time of year that the previous encounter happened. Where we live has a rich history of Bigfoot encounters. There's a huge swath of marshland near our property and there's a gas station in the area that has all kinds of documentation on the walls, maps, sightings, newspaper articles about all of the encounters in the area. We have to go, it's so close.

• 39:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 39:08Corinne Vien?

  Okay, and then here.

• 39:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The sound?

• 39:11Corinne Vien?

  Let me pull it up. Is the sound.

• 39:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 39:14Speaker 06

  I mean, that's not close. What was that? They're right down by the sheep. They're down.

• 39:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Take that.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  Where's Russell?

• 39:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is Russell the llama?

• 39:37Speaker 06

  You got a gun?

• 39:44Corinne Vien?

  It's hard to hear, but in the background you hear the "Oh, oh."

• 39:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What does a loon sound like?

• 39:52Corinne Vien?

  Kind of like that, but I feel like higher pitched.

• 39:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, though, that's a good point because they are in marshland.

• 39:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 39:59Corinne Vien?

  Hmm. It's also interesting, but basically, this is my call to action.

• 40:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That, in addition to sending us your Bigfoot call?

• 40:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, if you have footprints, if you have vocalizations, if you have photos or any sort of encounter story with Bigfoot, if you have feces, if you have hair, show us pictures or send them to me.

• 40:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want haunted objects, Corinne wants Bigfoot paraphernalia.

• 40:23Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. Okay, so also, I didn't include any of this for this episode, but on Reddit, there's an entire forum basically dedicated to people

• 40:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:33Corinne Vien?

  presenting evidence that they think could be Bigfoot. And then in the comments, it's all people going back and forth of like,

• 40:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 40:39Corinne Vien?

  is this Bigfoot, is this not? And it's usually not, but there was another, it wasn't New Hampshire, but it was Maine. Another story that I so appreciated where this man was like, what is this? And there's just these tracks that are smaller, like they look like almost human tracks, but very confusing, just like up on the mountain, near a river, just going in this deep snow. And he was like, is this some sort of weird like Bigfoot type creature? And so he posts it. And then weeks later, he posts again, and he goes, update, talked to some locals. And there's a local guy who just comes up here, takes his shoes off and walks around in the snow. And people were like, yes, this is the evidence and research and investigation.

• 41:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do appreciate that.

• 41:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because we do believe a lot of things over here at Two Girls, One Ghost. And especially when it comes to your experiences, your stories, who are we to say whether or not that's true? If you experienced it, we're gonna believe you. But when it comes to things like Bigfoot that have not been proven, and we want to believe exist, it is good to debunk things. It is good to do your research and find out if there is a man who likes to walk around barefoot in the snow.

• 41:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. You have to do your due diligence.

• 41:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. And I think that's the hardest thing about anything in the paranormal or other worldly realm, aliens included, telepathy, anything that's just not believed and recognized as a known fact, you do have to do a little bit more work to prove it.

• 42:08Corinne Vien?

  Unfortunately, but I mean, I guess that's, that's like everything in the scientific world.

• 42:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Corinne Vien?

  Think about how much effort was put into showing people that the earth is round.

• 42:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 42:17Corinne Vien?

  We have to prove everything. And then we have to try to disprove everything too, to make sure that things are the way it seems.

• 42:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 42:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Shelley Jensen was about to retire. Early after selling her veterinary practice for millions. But a moment of vulnerability became a way to take away her rights.

• 42:37Corinne Vien?

  Don't you see how destroyed I am as a person?

• 42:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her husband fought to save her before Shelley lost her freedom forever.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  This is a life or death matter. My wife's life is at stake.

• 42:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From Sony Music Entertainment and Novel, this is Free Shelley Jensen. Available now on The Binge.

• 42:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we believe, we believe you. And there is another thing that we have some evidence of that. Hey, it's up for debate, but we have, I found multiple different pieces of evidence. We're going to talk about that now.

• 43:12Corinne Vien?

  Is this up for debate? I feel like it's.

• 43:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The existence.

• 43:16Corinne Vien?

  Full belief.

• 43:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The existence of these beings is not up for debate. The evidence in these photos and videos I'm about to show you is what is up for debate.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 43:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Corinne Vien?

  Thank you for the clarification.

• 43:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're welcome anytime. They rise from the ocean. They emerge from the burial sites. They gather in groups and encountering them could be fatal. They are the deadly ghosts of ancient tribal Hawaiian warriors. They are the Night Marchers or the Hua Kai Po.

• 43:46Corinne Vien?

  It just already feels like, I feel like I can hear the drumming.

• 43:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 43:49Corinne Vien?

  I can see the fire. I can hear their voices and it just feels so intense already in my mind.

• 43:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I also spent so much time last night looking on TikTok and Reddit and listening to videos that are believed to be encounters or sounds and visuals of the Night Marchers. And so like all night, my heart was racing. Like I felt like that drum warrior battle cry was echoing in my head. So I did originally cover the Night Marchers in episode 88, but that was back in 2019. And it's been six years since then. So there is a lot of new evidence and more stories that people have posted online. So for this proving photo evidence of the Night Marchers, I'm going to revisit briefly the history, the context, the origins, the beliefs of the Night Marchers.

• 44:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then we're going to go into specific photos, videos and Reddit stories about the Night Marchers. And you might know what photo I'm talking about because it kind of made its rounds and has continued to make its rounds on social media.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  Is this the hiking?

• 44:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. Yeah. Okay. I also, before I get into this, I want to give two references because the night marchers are a Hawaiian belief. And I think I should credit the locals, the people who live there, have grown up with this through generations and generations. There are people who are more qualified to speak on this. And so I just wanted to give them a little shout out in the beginning of this episode. So there is a book called Hawaii's Night Marchers, A History of the Huakapoe, that is written by local native Hawaiians. And there's like three or four people who collaborated on writing this book.

• 45:32Corinne Vien?

  So cool.

• 45:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then anything from Hawaii's ghost guy, who they call Uncle Lapoka, who was actually recognized by the state legislature for his storytelling and perpetuating a lot of Hawaiian legends, lore and history through his storytelling. And I'll also link in the YouTube video and in our show notes, a really, really good video of him telling a horrifying creepy story about the night marchers.

• 46:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're practicing Bigfoot call. That's actually pretty good.

• 46:08Corinne Vien?

  Thanks.

• 46:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Most everyone who was born and raised in Hawaii has heard of the night marchers, the ancient warrior spirits who roam the islands at night. And if you do know about them, you know to not go in search of them. And if you hear them and see them, do not engage, do not interact with them because they are what nightmares are made of.

• 46:30Corinne Vien?

  I do recall, I think when you covered this last, it's basically like if you're on the beach or if you're somewhere, you just basically like head down, lay down, be as still as possible.

• 46:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 46:40Corinne Vien?

  Pretend you're not there.

• 46:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we'll go through a couple of the, actually, I re-listened to the episode and I asked as Ed Corin, do you know what you would do if you saw them? And you nailed it on the head. You got it immediately. It was basically that. There's a couple of other nuances to it and other options, and I will share them in a moment. But similar to Bigfoot, many people have smelt the night marchers because, and I don't think I referenced this in episode 88, but apparently they have a really foul Smell.

• 47:07Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 47:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Almost sulfuric.

• 47:09Corinne Vien?

  Okay, oh, like a volcano.

• 47:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dead in some way, right? But it's interesting because I feel like most ghosts, you don't smell death on them.

• 47:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like if there is a smell.

• 47:21Corinne Vien?

  Sulfur is an interesting thing because oftentimes sulfur is associated with volcanoes. Or like certain sulfuric springs and hot springs.

• 47:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Evil entities.

• 47:32Corinne Vien?

  Or demons.

• 47:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. But that's what's so interesting about the night marchers and I'll continue to explain what they are and how they present themselves. But they almost feel like a completely different category than spirit. It's almost like godly or there's some extra ethereal aspect to them. So there are many people who have smelled them. There are many people who have seen them because they travel with torches. And there are many who have heard them. Fewer have seen them and survived to tell the tale because if you look upon them, death is almost certain. The Hua Kai Po rise from the graves, roam the islands at night and specifically on nights that honor the Hawaiian gods. They march from sunset to sunrise, dressed for battle.

• 48:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some carry spears or clubs. Others carry torches that illuminate the night and can be seen many nights on the beaches, in deep forests, atop hills, truly anywhere.

• 48:29Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 48:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there are these paths that are believed to be night marcher paths. And if you build on top of them, they will truly go through it. If you park your car there, there's a place in Oahu and I couldn't find the specific spot, but there's a parking spot. One specific parking spot in a lot that they ended up having to block off that spot because multiple cars overnight would get crushed. And people would come back to their car the next morning. And it was because the night marcher's path goes through there and they don't care what's there. They continue to go. They march accompanied by thunderous and ominous battle drums. They chant and they also are accompanied by the warning sound of conch shells.

• 49:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So like I said, many have heard their battle cries, seen their. Torches illuminating the Hawaiian landscape. Some have even smelt them, but no one dare looks at them. As it is said that any mortal who looks upon them will be seen as acting in defiance. And the night marchers will be certain that that person dies. And not just dies, but dies violently. And this kind of relates to what their role was in life. Because the night marchers in life were the guards and protectors of sacred people. Like kings, chiefs, chiefesses. So whoever they were guarding, it was disrespectful for a mortal or a regular human to look and make eye contact with that person.

• 49:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So the night marchers in life were ordered to kill anyone was disrespectful and tried to look at and make eye contact with the sacred being.

• 50:04Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 50:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So now they still follow that same rule in death.

• 50:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I wonder if it's like to the extreme in death. Like they take the one thing that they found themselves often doing, or like the one thing that was really tough to maybe force yourself to do. And then it just kind of festers and becomes this really.

• 50:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, because it's so, it's interesting because like their beliefs that if their lights are brighter, especially at the front of the group of marchers. It's believed that a goddess or a priestess or the spirit of a sacred person that they protected is actually traveling with them.

• 50:38Corinne Vien?

  Oh, interesting.

• 50:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's almost like they still are these protectors for the sacred people in the afterlife.

• 50:46Corinne Vien?

  I'm just so curious now about like Hawaiian historical culture and stuff. Like, when did that sort of shift into when they had queens and whatnot?

• 50:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, there's such an amalgamation of different cultures. And if you've been to a luau, they talk about the different cultures and peoples who came together. And we also talked about Pele and there's so many gods and goddesses that they believe in that I am not educated enough on to speak about right now. But like, there's an energy and a power that is there that is palpable.

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it does make me wonder like, not that I'm ever advising anyone look at them, but I do wonder if some people have gotten away looking at them if the light is dimmer and there's not someone that they're protecting with them.

• 51:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was one story on Reddit, and it's Reddit, so you know, who knows how real it is. But this guy was like, my family has passed this story down through generations that like my great grandfather and the whole family was having like a luau and my great grandfather was cooking late at night outside prepping for the dinner with his family. And apparently a group of night marchers were passing by and out of fear, because he was that close to them, he offered them the food and was spared.

• 52:02Corinne Vien?

  Wow, because he showed a sign of respect.

• 52:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Corinne Vien?

  If you're just sitting there ogling at them.

• 52:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's different. Or if you're looking for them.

• 52:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Corinne Vien?

  Wow. Oh, my gosh.

• 52:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So it was their job in life to protect these people. They swore to protect them. And I'm not sure they knew that this was an eternal job, but it appears it is. They will truly rise from old battlegrounds or truly emerge from the depths of sea. Like I feel like Pirates of the Caribbean style where they just slowly come out. And there will be large groups of them. And at first glance, you'll be like, oh, is that a human coming out of the ocean? And then you'll realize, no, no. Um, there's a large number of them and they may be chanting. There's battle drums, which will make you look twice. And then you might notice that they're actually floating. Some versions say that just one foot is in the ground and the others are floating. Some say that despite never really touching the ground, their feet leave footprints in the earth beneath them.

• 52:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there are really only a few protective methods that you can take to protect yourself if you do see or come across the night marchers. The first is actually nothing you can do, except for hope that you're born in a bloodline that has a someone in the ranks of the night marchers. Because if you do, you are safe, you are protected, which I think is kind of amazing that they just know.

• 53:21Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm, mm hmm.

• 53:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it is said that if you do have a relative amongst their ranks and you do see them, you will hear them yell, "Nau!", which means mine, which basically signals to the rest of the night marchers that this is protected, you are one of us, no one can harm you.

• 53:38Corinne Vien?

  The relief that someone must feel when they hear that. And what if you didn't even know that you were?

• 53:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, that would be kind of cool. And there is also a legend that, so they mostly appear at night, but they will sometimes appear during the day. And it is said that they appear during the day when they are trying to escort a spirit of, like a descendant to the afterlife, which I think is beautiful. If you are not related to them, it's fight or flight, really. Those are your options. The first option is like you were saying, drop to the ground, lie motionless and face down in the sand or ground. Wherever you are, stay quiet and as still as possible and do not move until you are certain that they are gone. There is one iteration of this where you're supposed to completely disrobe and shed yourself of all your clothing, which one, I feel like would draw more attention to you.

• 54:23Corinne Vien?

  Right, that takes too much time. They could.

• 54:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, but it's a belief, so if you do have the time, take your clothes off. Back in 2019, apparently I had found some article that said you should pee on yourself. And I actually found that same reference in an article talking about the photo, which we'll talk about in a minute. But multiple people emailed us saying, don't pee yourself.

• 54:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we'll believe you guys.

• 54:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I don't know if it was also, I think 2019 was like peak me peeing myself by accident, that I was trying to normalize it or something. I don't know. But don't pee yourself.

• 54:56Corinne Vien?

  So you were just repeating what you read.

• 54:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But what if they got it from our podcast?

• 55:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

• 55:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't reference us and things, or you can, I guess, I don't know. But anyway, multiple people have emailed saying, don't pee yourself, that's not a thing. And then if you feel like dropping and just sitting there is not the situation to do, you run, get out of there as fast as possible, run and hide. And then I did find some practices that I hadn't in episode 88. There is a plant that you can plant around your home, like a shrub. It's called Ti, cordial fruticosei. It looks like there's a photo.

• 55:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 55:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's said to be protective against evil spirits. So I think if you put them around your home, it's supposed to help protect you.

• 55:40Corinne Vien?

  It's weird because it's like, are they considered evil?

• 55:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what I don't know. I mean, if they're going to kill you, I don't know. And then it's also like, if you're in their path, then nothing's going to prevent them from going through it.

• 55:50Corinne Vien?

  So could that parking spot?

• 55:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think so. I think if you put that there, I mean, maybe it would keep you safe. If they go through, you wouldn't be harmed. I don't know. It is also said to not have a home where the front door and back door are in like

• 56:03Corinne Vien?

  alignment.

• 56:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  alignment because that helps them. It's almost like an entryway for them to just walk straight through. But then again, like the parking spot story, if that's their path, that's their path.

• 56:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's kind of confusing because it sounds like they have their go to designated paths, but sometimes they just take whatever path they want. So it's like, what are you gonna do?

• 56:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just avoid them.

• 56:24Corinne Vien?

  Hope you're grilling and you can offer them the food.

• 56:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I don't know. But to conclude this recap of the night marchers, there are multiple theories as to why they continue to march the land. Some believe that their duty was an eternal contract. Others believe that they're looking to reclaim territories they lost in battle. Others think it's a residual haunting, but most locals and myself included will dismiss this because when they're around and when you hear them, they feel so present. And they interact, so it's not really residual. There is another belief that they're trying to avenge their deaths or that they're looking for the entrance to the next world. They often march on the last four Hawaiian moon phases before the moon goes completely dark, which is also super ominous.

• 57:07Corinne Vien?

  Very.

• 57:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It feels like a warning. They have been seen marching in most parts of Hawaii and in episode 88, we do discuss some of the places the night marchers are most commonly seen and known to visit. But now we're gonna go in this episode into some visual representations or evidence of the night marchers.

• 57:25Corinne Vien?

  Sorry, I just have to say because you did reference Pirates of the Caribbean and them coming out of the water. I would be so curious if you were like in a submarine or in some shallow water in a boat. If you would see it because it does sound like if this is one specific group of night marchers and it's not just like many different groups of night marchers. They do travel from island to island.

• 57:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's interesting.

• 57:46Corinne Vien?

  And if they come out of the sea and people see them marching out of the ocean, then are they marching on the sea floor?

• 57:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, based on how many encounters there are, I, there must be multiple groups of night marchers because they seem to be everywhere. And Hawaii, there's so many islands, there's so many little pla- islands. Hawaii's not small.

• 58:05Corinne Vien?

  And there were, like you were referencing, like there were many different groups.

• 58:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So the reason I wanted to revisit the night marchers is because of a photo that went pretty viral in 2021 after Radio Rental featured the story and the photo on episode 19. So if you want to listen to that episode, you can go do that. And thanks to Payne, I actually have the live photos.

• 58:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, the live photos?

• 58:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They were sent because Payne spoke to, her name is Kay, and she sent the actual live photos to Payne. So to those of you who think that they're photoshopped, no, they're not.

• 58:39Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit.

• 58:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kay Borley is a avid runner and not just like a couple marathons runner runner. She's an ultra marathon runner. And so in January of 2019, on the morning of a blood moon nonetheless, Kay was competing in the Hurt 100 Mile Race, which I love it's called Hurt. It's probably an acronym, but feels that way.

• 59:01Corinne Vien?

  It does hurt.

• 59:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It took place in Oahu's Honolulu Maoka Trails. It was a grueling 20-mile loop that participants had to run five times.

• 59:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that would, no.

• 59:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's in a park, like in the forest and trails. So it's treacherous, it has obstacles, thick mud, tree roots, water crossings, cliffs, rocky inclines.

• 59:20Corinne Vien?

  And it's hot.

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And apparently, night marchers. Kay was running and her pacing partner Cassie was just behind her and occasionally would be taking photos. And I think they probably both, you know, took photos of one another running because this is 100 miles. What else are you gonna do? And as you can imagine, there are not a ton of people who run 100-mile ultra marathons. And this event specifically, I looked it up, is limited to 135 participants. So that stat alone, like you can imagine, on a 20-mile loop, you're not seeing people often. And Kay and Cassie themselves even said that like they were pretty much running by themselves. It was early in the morning, they were not seeing other people. This trail was probably closed for the day for the public.

• 1:00:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this run was difficult, but Kay had done many races like this before. Until things took a turn, or her ankle took a turn. And on her second to last lap, so somewhere between 60 and 80 miles, Kay hurt her ankle and she had to leave the race, which was the first time in her entire career of running that she had to do this, which she was really upset with. And by, it happens. She left the race and she returned home, started her healing process. And a couple of days later, Cassie, who was her race pacer, sent along some of the photos that she had on her phone from the race. And then as Kay is going through these photos, many of them are live photos. Kay sees something weird.

• 1:00:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In two or three of the live photos, you can see something emerge seemingly out of nowhere. And thanks to Payne, I have said live photos, shared from Kay herself. So first, we're going to look at a couple of the photos. And then I took a video of myself playing the live photo and we can look at that. Here's the first photo, and these are not live. Here's the second photo. And it like, doesn't look like anything's in here, right? There's nothing in the brush. And then you start to see it. What? Wait, I need to zoom in on this again. It's so confusing because it also looks like they're wearing glasses. See, I feel like they have like deep eyes, like there's no eyes. Yeah. Yeah, it's also like the sunken cheekbones. Where like people have the line around their mouth. Here, I'll show you the video now.

• 1:01:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like they feel like they come out of nowhere. Wait. I zoom in again. So this is on the trail? Yeah. It's so confusing because like they didn't see, they didn't see this person on the trail. How can you miss that person? The trail's so, it's so skinny. But then it's like, what is happening? Because everyone else can see the Night Marchers and you're not supposed to look at them. But here it is in a photo, but, but they didn't see. And so I'm so confused. And in my mind, I almost don't believe that this is actually a Night Marcher. I do believe that it's something odd or an entity of some kind. And Kay at the time was like, this is really weird because, yeah, like you're saying, the trail is pretty narrow. And where this person appears in the photo,

• 1:02:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kay and Cassie would have run right past them moments after the photo was taken. Right. They would have seen a person.

• 1:02:17Corinne Vien?

  And it almost looks like the person is seeing them.

• 1:02:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like looking towards them.

• 1:02:21Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 1:02:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so there's a lot of debate with this photo. And Kay and Cassie basically like between the two of them are sending this back and forth and they're like, what the heck? Like, is this a person? What is happening? And then they start researching this trail that the race is on. And they find stories of people seeing, hearing, encountering night marchers. And so they're like, is this a night marcher? Which then Kay sharing this photo online, people start to pick it up. And a lot of people give Kay a lot of shit. And one, people are like, that is photoshopped. Kay spent a lot of time on Reddit responding to people being like, no, I promise it's not. It's a live photo.

• 1:03:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My friend and I both ran right past this place. We did not see anyone or anything. Some people are saying it's a person covered in mud. It seems to appear out of nowhere, like which some people argue, no, it's coming out of the bushes, which fine, maybe, but like they would have seen this person.

• 1:03:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it doesn't matter where they came from, what they could be covered in.

• 1:03:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Corinne Vien?

  In the end, this is a narrow trail. The person in the picture appears to be looking right in their direction, especially if they're running. They're gonna make contact in just a matter of a couple of seconds.

• 1:03:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. So then there are all these other theories. And I do feel like Hawaii has so many legends and ghost stories that it really, who knows? It could be something other than a night marcher. Either way, even if it's a human, it's terrifying. To think that this person was just lurking in the deep Hawaiian trails covered in mud. If that's a real person covered in mud. And it kind of reminds me of the image of the fey woman that we've had.

• 1:04:09Corinne Vien?

  Fae orgy.

• 1:04:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From the fey orgy story, it's an encounters episode where they experienced what they thought was this beautiful sexual siren of sorts. Who mesmerized all of them. But then the next morning when they saw her, she looked almost witch-like and had like really dirty garb on.

• 1:04:29Corinne Vien?

  I still don't get it. Cause like, how do you hide yourself again in just a matter of seconds?

• 1:04:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 1:04:35Corinne Vien?

  And it's also on the other side of the brush, it looks like it's a drop off.

• 1:04:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:04:39Corinne Vien?

  So it's not like, oh my gosh, I want to stay hidden. Let me just like

• 1:04:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  pop out.

• 1:04:42Corinne Vien?

  Jump into the woods or like run into the woods over here. And also they would hear the rustling.

• 1:04:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. And it's on multiple photos. So like, as you'll have seen, I played the live and zoomed in. And it's not a one time thing. It's caught on three photos and three lives.

• 1:04:58Corinne Vien?

  You can see it moving.

• 1:04:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The series of it moving. And then it's got really deep sunken in eyes. Like almost looks like it doesn't have eyeballs.

• 1:05:08Corinne Vien?

  And the cheeks are very gaunt.

• 1:05:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Corinne Vien?

  To the point where it looks like there's glasses because there is such a shadow of like the cheekbone and the...

• 1:05:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. Kay just posited, like, is this a night marcher? Because she had seen that there was this lore and legend of night marchers in this area. I'm curious what you all think. I'm also curious if you think maybe it has something to do with why Kay hurt her ankle? Like she did encounter them.

• 1:05:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like she didn't make eye contact, but she might have ran through one. Where it's like...

• 1:05:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's strange. Anyway, we have some more evidence and I'm going to share a story actually from a listener, Tiffany, who sent us an email who said, "I just got done listening to the Boocation episode and Sabrina was pretty spot on with her story about night marchers and I wanted to read that part because, thank you. I'm born and raised in Hawaii and one thing I've never heard of is peeing yourself when you come across the night marchers. Everyone in Hawaii grew up learning you either have to strip naked and lie down facing the ground or just lie down. When I was in elementary school in Maui, I had a classmate that had her story shared in a ghost book of Hawaii.

• 1:06:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:06:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't remember the name of the book, but the story was this. Her family had her crib placed in part of the house that was apparently in the way of the night marchers path. They would hear drumming and every night find the baby, my classmate, moved out of her crib. They learned quickly what was happening and rearranged her room, which almost makes me think the night marchers purposely moved her out of their path or a spirit moved her out of their path to protect her.

• 1:06:36Corinne Vien?

  Night after night.

• 1:06:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:37Corinne Vien?

  Whoa.

• 1:06:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Another story here in Oahu was, "I was camping with friends and family and us kids wanted to see the night marchers coming down the mountain. It was a rainy night and we waited up way past midnight. And right before we decided to call it a night, we saw a line of fire going down the mountain. We were pretty excited, even though it wasn't our first time seeing that. And then one of our uncles came and got us and saw what we were doing and said, "Hey, you guys like to die?" Close your eyes and go to sleep. I have a lot of other stories from Hawaii. It's full of history and energy and even stories my family have about living in Samoa and a possession that happened to my aunt. I'll read again soon, but until then, stay spooky and mahalo. Tiffany.

• 1:07:19Corinne Vien?

  This makes me so curious too, what does happen if you are sleeping in the way of a night marcher? Like, what if you're camping?

• 1:07:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A lot of people have stories of camping. A lot of people. If you go on Reddit, there are so many threads. Just search night marcher on Reddit and there are tons of threads, like going back nine years. The most recent one I saw was like six months ago, people were talking about night marchers and their experiences. But I think similar to with a lot of paranormal things, it's intention based. Like if you were intentionally going out and seeking them and then looking at them and disrespecting them, they'll know.

• 1:07:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there are a lot of stories of people like sleeping, camping in tents, hearing the marching like literally right outside and they just lay there paralyzed in fear until the sound goes away.

• 1:08:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because I'd be worried about the tent being trampled or like, what do you feel when they march on top of you? Because if they're crushing cars.

• 1:08:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Corinne Vien?

  Or if you're showing the sign of respect, they'll just go around you.

• 1:08:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:13Corinne Vien?

  Or if you're an innocent baby, they'll help move you.

• 1:08:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, there's another story that I found on Reddit that I'll read briefly, but it reminds me of the protective part. So this was posted six months ago by Dr. Up and they said, "This happened to me 30 years ago. I was in my twenties. I was home alone, sitting on the bed and I saw dark figures passing by the window. Suddenly I felt weight push me down on the bed. I was out of breath. The feeling was so scary. As soon as the shadows passed, my breath returned with a force. I was shook. I talked to my auntie the next day and she told me I was blessed because someone was protecting me by holding me down as the marchers passed by." Yeah.

• 1:08:51Corinne Vien?

  Spirits of Hawaii know the rules of the night marchers.

• 1:08:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm. Okay, now, two more potential evidence of the night marchers caught on camera. In 2022, a TikTok user called Poki, P-O-K-I, posted a video from the woods in Oahu of what he believed to be the drumming sounds of the night marchers. And we're going to play that video now. You heard that one? Yeah. It sounded like when a moth on top of a tree.

• 1:09:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh. You heard that too, right?

• 1:09:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh huh. Okay. Who are you going back? What?

• 1:09:32Speaker 06

  It it didn't kinda sound like um one of those uh um old drums. Ancient drums. Oh, you oh fuck that. You ca- are you serious? That's what I thought it sounded like, bro. Like do do do. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, three, two, do, do. Yeah. Well, it's come from that that. Coming from all the way up there. All up there, right? That's what I heard too. That's not good, bro.

• 1:10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That sound is a little bit like it's more focused on the two of them kinda freaking out hearing it.

• 1:10:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there is like.

• 1:10:08Corinne Vien?

  And then one friend is like, why are you saying this to me?

• 1:10:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they're in the woods. Like, could you imagine being alone in the wo- oh, so scary.

• 1:10:16Corinne Vien?

  No, I would be shitting myself.

• 1:10:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, now the last photo that I have, I found it was posted on Reddit a year ago by the user mysterious and magical. They wrote, I think I might have captured one on my camera during a ghost tour about five years ago. I remember taking about a hundred pictures or so, and I got home and I went through all of my tour photos. And I never saw anything of interest or anything that grabbed my attention right away. I went through these pictures or at least three times. However, I got to one photo in particular on the third time going through, and I immediately gasped and got goosebumps. I remember hearing about the night marchers on tour and how they marched prisoners or individuals for sacrifice up to the volcano.

• 1:10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How they had painted faces, wore elaborate uniforms. I don't know. All I know is that there was nothing and no one in these photos originally. Now there is, and I can't explain the height of the figure. It almost looks like it's wearing a costume and a crown with huge arms and wrist cuffs and a white rumpled like skirt.

• 1:11:18Corinne Vien?

  Which also marching up to a volcano and then them smelling like sulfur. That makes.

• 1:11:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That also makes sense, yeah. So this photo, I wish the user had posted the original photo and then the zoomed in version, but this is the zoomed in version of the photo. And it's taken like over the back of a shoulder of someone else who was on the tour. And when you zoom in and you can see like, that's like almost the lower part of the arm. And they do look like they're wearing like metal.

• 1:11:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's a reflectiveness.

• 1:11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And I'm curious where this was, like where they were on the tour.

• 1:11:51Corinne Vien?

  It's also interesting because it's like, you're not supposed to look at them, but then accidental photos, like you're looking at the lens of your camera that's looking at them. So I guess maybe that's enough of a block that if you're not actively seeing them when you take the photo.

• 1:12:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Corinne Vien?

  You're not considered to be disrespectful.

• 1:12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess. I don't know.

• 1:12:10Corinne Vien?

  Spooky.

• 1:12:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is spooky.

• 1:12:11Corinne Vien?

  Because like you're not consciously and actively choosing to look at them.

• 1:12:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah, they photobombed your photo. You didn't ask them to do that. I think it's safe to say, and also I am not in the authority to dictate whether or not this is real, but I absolutely believe in the Night Marchers. And I know that people local or raised in Hawaii avidly believe in them and know to respect them. And all I know for certain is do not look for them and do not pee on yourself when you see them.

• 1:12:41Corinne Vien?

  Yep. Good, good rules right there.

• 1:12:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good rules to follow.

• 1:12:44Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 1:12:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Corinne Vien?

  Okay, send us all evidence of everything. I want fairies, I want leprechauns, I want mermaids, I want cryptids in the woods.

• 1:12:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, ghosts.

• 1:12:54Corinne Vien?

  Everything.

• 1:12:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everything. We want it all.

• 1:12:56Corinne Vien?

  We've asked for ghost photos before and people really delivered, which we're gonna use more of them in future episodes. But like, this should be beyond just your typical ghost.

• 1:13:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Corinne Vien?

  Anything that you've captured.

• 1:13:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And send us your Bigfoot calls and we will put a compilation together.

• 1:13:14Corinne Vien?

  Can't we?

• 1:13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gonna be so fun. Thank you all for joining us and being a listener of the podcast. Again, please tell people about our podcast, The Pyramid Scheme. Tell at least two people and then tell them to tell two people and then so on and so forth. And rate and review us on iTunes, email us at [email protected]. And if you want ad-free and one week early content plus bonus episodes, plus live campfire stories every Tuesday, join us on Patreon.

• 1:13:42Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. We could not do it without you. And thank you to all of you who come back every single week.

• 1:13:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 1:13:51Corinne Vien?

  And we will.

• 1:13:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you on the other side.