"Alec Went On A Blackout" - Daniel Baldwin: Rust Shooting, Trump Drama, Family FEUD & Diddy Parties! | PBD Podcast | Ep. 516

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• 1:00Speaker 02

  People don't know the real story.

• 1:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Because they weren't there and they don't know, and they didn't get the full description of it. We've been brawling, kicking photographers, laying people out in bars. No one said a word. I mean, I would never allow an election to affect whether I love my brother Alec, whereas he has absolutely allowed that to occur in the family with myself and other members.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Last five years have been tough for that guy.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  I've had to endure a lot in the last couple of years over his, his problem that he had.

• 1:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he the better actor? Was he the best actor in the family?

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Hmm. At seven years old, I was seven, Alec was nine and a half. We said, can we use the camera? We lit stuff on fire. We got in trouble. We rolled, we rolled my mother's car down the driveway.

• 1:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know specifically people that were on that island? You know, in Hollywood?

• 1:44Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:45Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure?

• 1:46Speaker 02

  For sure. Yeah, I saw some wild stuff. And he was at some of the Diddy parties. He was in one of those bedrooms with three other men, and he's happily married to a woman. It was Babylonian, I called it.

• 1:55Patrick Bet-David?

  More people are getting bolder to put the stuff out about him. What does that mean?

• 2:00Speaker 02

  And Stephen would get me in fights. That summer, no, I kid you not. That summer, that summer I got, I got in seven fights. The next day, I could barely stand. No, no, no, I mean.

• 2:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So about two and a half months ago, I did a podcast with a Steven Baldwin. I gotta tell you, I had no idea what to expect. I'm like, I'm telling Rob, Rob, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know what we're gonna do. I don't know what direction we're going in. Sometimes those turn into the best podcasts. We finish the conversation. I am entertained from the beginning to the end. Then I get a DM. So now Steven is the youngest brother, okay? Then I get a DM from the second oldest brother, which is Daniel Baldwin.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Saying, wait a minute, I gotta come and set the record straight. And then that led to today us doing a podcast again and having you here.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  And I'm so honored to be on the show because I'm a big fan.

• 3:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, I appreciate that. And it's funny, if I close my eyes and listen to your voice and brother's voice, why is it you all sound alike? What is it with this voice of yours?

• 3:33Speaker 02

  So there's the radio voice that some of them do and the TV voice that some of them do. Or when they're trying to meet a girl, the voice they do. This is actually Alec and my voice. The rest of them kind of do a cheap impersonation of us. But I will tell you a very funny story. The first time I ever did the Tonight Show, it was Jay Leno. And I'm very nervous and I had a recurring dream twice that when I walked out, I tripped and fell. And I don't know anything about doing a big talk show, you know, I'm new to the game. I'm on a TV series.

• 3:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What year is this?

• 3:58Speaker 02

  This was, oh gosh, in 89, 88, something like that. And so I walk out and I walk right in front of Jay and he goes, "Daniel, thanks for doing the show." And I said, "Jay, thanks for having me on." And as soon as I opened my mouth, he stops and he goes, "You know, you boys look so much alike from here to here. And you sound so much alike." So what do you attribute that to? I said, "Jay, my mother and father were boring lovers. They did it in the same position all the time." I got a great laugh till I got home and got the message from my mother.

• 4:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What'd she say? She said, why would you?

• 4:28Speaker 02

  We've been brawling, kicking photographers, laying people out in bars. No one said a word. My mother, I talked about her sex life with my father and she hit the ceiling. I told women from my church group to watch that show, Daniel, don't call this out. I mean, she flipped out on me.

• 4:43Patrick Bet-David?

  She was sincerely pissed off.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  She was pissed. She was pissed that I said that, yeah.

• 4:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but how, how is it like, when I talk to Steven and he's telling me the stories, right? I'm like, okay, four guys, four brothers, okay? And I'm learning more about Alec, you know, in, in school, president, ninth grade, 10th grade, 11th grade. He goes to college, all this stuff. And then you, he's saying, well, the real guy with the ladies was really Daniel. You were the athlete, you were the, all this stuff. He's telling all these stories. And then all of you guys go into acting and Hollywood and I'm learning more about it. He gave me his version. What happened?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Okay. So, so first of all, no, I love my brother Steven. I'm not here to throw him under the bus, but as many people do, you, you can recognize when someone is saying a story about a group or saying a story about someone else and what they're really talking about is themselves. So in Steven's depiction that I heard, he said, well, you know, we're all a bunch of dumb jocks and, you know, and Alec got in and we all said, oh, hey, we should do that too. No, that's not what happened. So as little kids, my father was a high school football coach and a school teacher at Massive People High School on Long Island. The other high school in the town was Burner High School, where we all went to. So we played my father Thanksgiving Day for bragging rights for the entire town. Eight games, you could lose seven, you had to win that game.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  I am one of the few people that I know of that ever won the most valuable player of that game in a losing effort. We lost to my father three, nothing my senior year, the last play of the game in the mud and the rain and everything else. And I lost to my father, but was one of the MVPs of the game. So when Steven made the comment that he was, and we were all jocks that followed Alec and I don't know of a single sport Steven played in high school. So I'm not sure, I'm not sure what he's talking about, about being a jock, although he was athletic, he didn't play any sports. So I, I can't, that kind of rules him out.

• 6:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, listen, to give him credit, if you look at that picture right there, Steven's got a physique to the left.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. No, listen, Steven could have played, but he didn't play anything. That, that, that, I think he wrestled in like eighth grade or something once.

• 6:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and you, you look, you look very comfortable with yourself there in that picture.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Listen, I, I, I depict what I depict. I'm straight up the guy that you want to, you want to talk to when you want the facts. So. Alec and I, as little kids, my father had a camera. They filmed the team they were gonna play the next week. He asked the district for the camera. They said no. He bought an eight millimeter camera himself and would send a freshman coach or somebody else out to film the team we were playing next week, to have scouting films, to look at the team we were gonna play. So that was for his high school, his football team. That camera sat around the house outside of football season. So at, at seven years old, I was seven, Alec was nine and a half, we said, can we use the camera? And the Cornelius brothers who lived behind us, Keith and Kevin Cornelius, they had a camera. We started making movies

• 7:23Speaker 02

  in our backyard with the Cornelius brothers in 1967.

• 7:27Patrick Bet-David?

  He was nine, you were seven.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Nine, seven. Went to the, went to the golf course, sold nickel cups of iced tea to buy more eight millimeter film, and we were back in business. Fully understanding at that age, editing in the can. We had no editing facility in the beginning. So you came walking in, we filmed you, Patrick, and then stop, handed you the camera. I reached into my coat, started to pull the gun out, stop, took the camera back, you back. So we, we did all the editing while we shot it sequentially. And we understood that at that age. That's where my interest in film started. Working behind my brother, who was older than me, so we, I followed along and died 15 times in each movie. And we had, I can remember being in the top bunk and, you know, tomorrow morning, you know, we do, we take some of the hairy snakes, we put them in Hellman's mayonnaise jar, we light it

• 8:11Speaker 02

  up, and it'll be a smokescreen. I'll be like, yeah! You know, we'd be all fired up for special effects we could do ourselves. We lit stuff on fire, we got in trouble, we rolled, we rolled my mother's car down the driveway, and Alec would sit on a couple of telephone books and look James Bond. We did a series of Joe Cool movies, which were a spoof on Sean Connery's James Bond where Alec played Bond. Now, I can remember all the way back then, I can remember acting through high school in plays, Alec acting in high school. Then Alec goes and goes away to college. Now, I'd be lying to tell you that his success didn't pique people's interest. There's more of them, there's another one, there's another one, another one. So certainly that helped people in the business. But it had nothing, this was something that we talked about, and one of the greatest signatures to it was Ronald Reagan.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Were we gonna get involved in politics, go to law school, get involved in law? Which is what my father wanted. Or were we gonna go into acting? And then we hear this guy, he becomes president of the United States, governor in multiple terms in California. The seventh most powerful, i- if California was a country, it'd be the seven most significant economic power in the world. So here's a guy who was arguably a B actor, and he becomes president of the United States. And I'll never forget when he got elected, going to Alec's apartment going, we can do both. We can actually do both.

• 9:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So i- what year was that, eighty-four? So if it's eighty-four, he becomes president?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Your, was it eighty-four or eighty-two? When does he become?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  No, eighty-four.

• 9:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it eighty-four? Okay.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, Carter was eighty.

• 9:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty, Carter was eight, okay. So eighty-four, he becomes president. You just told me you, you just turned sixty-three, or sixty-four.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  So I'm twenty-four.

• 9:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're twenty-four, he's twenty-six. And actor officially is the president, guys, we can one day become, is that the conversation?

• 9:50Speaker 02

  This is actually the conversation, where I turned around and I said to him, listen, we can go do the acting thing. We can hold off on anything to do with law school, because he's already started by eighty-four. You know, soap opera kind of stuff, he's starting his career. And I'm just coming out of college. And so I turned around and I said to him, look, we could go pursue this, and, and I really thought, believe it or not, I really thought there was a chance, because of his, how smart he is, and because of how silver-tongued he is, Alec Baldwin could have been, my brother could have been president of the United States. I really believe if he had, if he had gone that route, after, say, mid-nineties, late nineties, when he was at the top of his game, and then jumped. But, in, in recent years that we talked about it, his, his wife is not in favor of raising those kids in the White House. She does not want to be under that kind of scrutiny.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  She does not want to be there, and that's the reason that I understand is the reason why he's not running for president, or not gonna get involved in politics. Which, believe it or not, prior to the last five years, I think he would have had a shot at being a senator, and working his way up the system. He's handsome, he's very, very bright. Uh, but it wasn't something he wanted to pursue. So, but definitely when Reagan was elected president, I thought, wow, you don't even have to be a su- a huge star. Ronald Reagan was not a very super-successful actor. Uh, and certainly he had Nancy in his corner, who was the brains of the operation. Anyway, in my opinion, but he he proved to me that we could do both if we wanted to and and and as we look at where we are in our careers now, it's not something that I haven't talked to my wife about doing myself.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Not that I ever ever be president, but to go into politics in the next five years is something I might very well take a look at.

• 11:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? You're you're that so when you guys, when you go back to seven, nine years old, you're doing the movies, right? And you guys are a kid, uh, is is William and Stephen involved? Or what's the age difference with William and Stephen? How much younger is Stephen from?

• 11:34Speaker 02

  So it's Beth, the oldest, Alec, Daniel, Billy, Jane, Stephen. We're all two, two, two years and and change.

• 11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  When you're seven, Stephen is.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  One.

• 11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  One, so Stephen's not doing anything and William's not doing anything.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 11:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so it's really only you and Alec.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Me and Alec.

• 11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you guys are true older brothers to, you know, Stephen and William. And when you guys start talking about politics, is that dad selling the dream to you guys? Hey, one of you guys is going to be a president like the Kennedys would? Is that is he is he pouring the vision or you guys getting inspired?

• 12:07Speaker 02

  I think that because my father was a staunch Democrat, very much about rights, equality. Was a big Kennedy fan, huge Kennedy fan. I don't think it was so much because he wanted us to become president as I think he always envisioned. My father was in law school and left school before he graduated and became a teacher for reasons, a personal reason of his own, I'm sure. I never really got to explore that much with him. My father died at fifty five, so, yeah, young. So, but but I think his vision for his namesake, particularly for Alec, was that Alec become a lawyer. That I think that's what he always wanted. And and initially, I think that there was pressure on Alec to do that. You know, I think that there was an unsaid kind of pressure on him.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  But I can recall my father living long enough to see Alec's success on TV. He'd he'd bring a TV into his classroom. He was a high school teacher and play Alec on the soap opera and watch it while he was teaching the class.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And and dad, who was the one? Because he said Xander for president, sex for president, right? Is that the one when Stephen said Xander, the dad came out with the campaign, right? Sex, uh, what did sex stand for? Something, something for president. Do you remember that?

• 13:20Speaker 02

  No, I don't remember that.

• 13:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What did he say?

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Students elect Xander?

• 13:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Students elect Xander, Xander, yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  That's when he ran for, at high school.

• 13:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, that's when he ran for, and then Steven said that Alec got discouraged in college when he didn't win being a college president, and then he dropped that. Was that the reason why he dropped that? Was it just Hollywood took off for him?

• 13:40Speaker 02

  No, he went, he went, uh, left George Washington and went to NYU and, uh, and he graduated. But, um, uh, I think, I think that he was discouraged by not winning that. Um, I think when you're used to being successful, it's hard to take those blows sometimes.

• 13:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially earlier.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  And with Billy, so I can cap the rest of the Steven story, his, his version of it. Um, so Alec and I talked for years about, did I ever imagine that we would all? One in 2,500 actors in Los Angeles makes enough money to not have to subsidize their income doing something else for a living. One in 2,500, those are pretty disparaging odds. So to be one of those one in 2,500 and have made a career and a living of doing it, I'm, I'm, I'm more than grateful and blessed to be here with you today and, and still be able to make a living doing it. Billy, Billy never acted a day in his life. Billy's just really handsome and Billy was standing in a party that I, that I believe Alec brought him to. And Alec was like, yeah, come to this party, it's gonna be a lot of models, it's gonna be a lot of really good looking people, people in the business, he's in New York, and Billy's wispy hair and he flips his hair back.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  And this woman walks up to him and goes, hey, um, my name is, you know, Nadia. I own men modeling agency. Have you ever thought about modeling? And Billy went, no. She goes, well, you know, you, you've got a very interesting look. And Billy turns around and signs up with this woman with no interest that I knew of. Uh, and maybe have him on next and have him tell his version of it, but, and blows up. Goes to Italy, works on his book, meets, you know, all these people, becomes one of the first, if not the first Calvin Klein underwear man. Billy, early on, I remember going downtown, being in a cab, looking up at that giant Jumbotron going. And I got out of the cab, I pick up the payphone, no cell phones at the time, and I call my brother Alec up and I go,

• 15:21Speaker 02

  you gotta see this down at Times Square, Billy's on the Jumbotron, with like no shirt on and the hair falling in his face. Where is it? Yeah. No, I hear we said underwear shot. But anyway, you know, I we just we crap like Billy's on the, you know, he's in. Wh- how did this happen? You know? And that's the weird thing. When you look at the number of people that are successful, that how bad the odds are. And then you look at how nepotistic it is. You understand if you're Charlie Sheen, your father's Martin Sheen. Drew Barrymore, John Barrymore, the Cusack's parents both taught acting in Chicago. Usually there's some seed. There was nobody in my.

• 15:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the part that's interesting. That's the part that's weird. So so Alec wasn't a, you know, sometimes the oldest brothers like the second father, he's too close to have that kind of a uh, uh, identity to you. Or was he seen like that? Were you guys afraid of Alec or no?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  It skipped. So so one of the odd things when he makes the comment about being a jock was I grew very quickly. So after, you know, right into our teens, I was already nose to nose with Alec. You know what I mean? So.

• 16:25Patrick Bet-David?

  If you guys fought, who would who would win?

• 16:27Speaker 02

  By the time I was 16 or so, I think he knew what time it was. Yeah. But but you can never really tag your brother. You know, like you could tag in somebody you were to fight.

• 16:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You need to speak to my two boys.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 16:37Patrick Bet-David?

  They need they need a little bit of that.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  So so I can never whale away at him. But but yeah, you know, there was so some good athleticism and then there was me, you know, it's a little bit of a different.

• 16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So you were like a different level of an athlete because the way Stephen put it, you were like the man.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, no, no, I was much, much superior.

• 16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Good enough to get to the next level?

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, college, um, you know, rang the doorbell and everything. But I just, you know, when you're from a family who's my dad was um a school teacher. So we had six kids, not a lot of money in the house, you know, trying to live on a six children on a school teacher salary. I got very interested in money. I got very interested in the proposition of making money. Um, I never did much in my career to before acting, uh, or rather after acting to focus on money. So every once in a while I take a, you know, a crappy movie or whatever because they just dangled such a big carrot in front of me. I'm like, that'll pay my bills for a year. You know, so I I did some of those, but um, only in the last three to four years have I really looked at it.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Because my wife is smarter than me, you know, she's an attorney and she turn around, she goes, we need to put some money in the bank. We need to put this away. You're old and and we need to do this now. No, I'm not kidding. Um, but. But but I have focused a lot more on money and back then too, I liked the idea of being able to give my mother. I mean, back in nineteen seventy nine to hand my mother five hundred bucks was a week's salary for my father, you know, and and and I just was making money.

• 18:00Patrick Bet-David?

  When when your dad was coaching the opposing team that you guys are gonna play against? And it's coming down to come in time for the game, the week of. How intense is the house? Is he talking shit? Are you guys talking shit or it's quiet? No one's talking.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Mom is mom is Switzerland. She's saying nothing. And my father's gonna, Saturday, baby, we'll see. You know, he's right, and you're pointing at me, especially me. He I I I think I was most like my father. And so he didn't give me a, you know, an inch. He was.

• 18:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he is he like this? Is his personality like you guys? Like, is he like that or is he a calmer, uh?

• 18:31Speaker 02

  He's, um.

• 18:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he intense?

• 18:34Speaker 02

  He was intense. He wasn't as louder as gregarious probably as I am, but if you pissed him off. You know, you didn't. My mother used my father as a weapon. I remember having this conversation with my wife recently where I, you know, you have the right to go. Do you want me to tell your father? Do you want me to call your father? And we were like, yeah, please don't call him in. Because when he got upset, like if you disrespected my mother, if you used foul language, if you did certain things. You did not want that turned over to my father, because my father would take you by the throat, put you up against a wall. Oh, for sure.

• 19:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Who got in trouble the most?

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Oh, that's hello. Hi, welcome and thank you for flying.

• 19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it because you you and him bumped heads or because you guys had the strongest personality? What was it?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  You know, it it's interesting you would ask that because I just recently was was kind of still. Uh, um, researching that, you know, as I as I I have a young son, I have a much older son and I have a young son who's eighteen months old. Bat, uh, and and I was talking with Deasia, my wife, about it, and I said, you know. I think in some ways with six kids, my misbehaving was seeking some type of love or attention from my father. So because it was spread so thinly, you know, that when I misspoke, when I, you know, misacted or got in trouble. I got my father's one on one attention, which in a way I think I equated being punished, being physically reprimanded at times as as being loved. And so, because I was I was.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Getting unique one on one attention from my father, which was a terrible way to go get it. And I don't think he always reacted to it the best way he could have. But you know what, when you got six, you're kind of on the move, you know, Papa was a rolling stone. So. Um, I, I don't, I don't fault anybody for anything they do. You know, it's all part of the journey.

• 20:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Politically, when I see the four of you, I wonder where that comes from because it's, it's so, we, all four of you are slightly different.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 20:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? I mean.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Not, not anymore.

• 20:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you, were you guys ever the, was it ever the fully the same, were you ever the four of you just on the same page?

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Yes, Alec, uh, yeah, well, Stephen was the, was never really as opinionated or I think interested in. It's Stephen's religious affiliation got him interested in politics.

• 20:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Um, but Alec was the head of the Creative Coalition, Billy was the head of the Creative Coalition. We definitely thumped hard, voted Democrat, registered as a Democrat for many years. Not until two thousand sixteen, when they bought a guy and I got to know people. Remember, if I'm going to play a NASA astronaut, if I'm doing Apollo thirteen, they're taking me to NASA. I'm training with astronauts. I mean, the, the amount of information, if I'm going to be a, a, um. A, a heart surgeon, I'm going to Hopkins with Jarvik and I'm watching him put in a Jarvik seven in someone's chest. You get that kind of access. So as I learned more and made these friendships with people and I started looking at. Um, Trump and I started looking at the Republican Party.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  What, would people criticize RFK for jumping ship? And I looked and I said, yeah, but you know what? For, for, for Jack Kennedy and for RFK senior. If they saw what happened to the Democratic Party now, if they saw what they were about now compared to what they thought it was about then. It's a very, very different ballgame now, and I could no longer in good conscience. Back a horse that I didn't think was running to win, you know, I mean, I, I couldn't and so, and, and I, and I still believe that now. So, and I got in all kinds of trouble and I'm the definitely, Stephen was with me, which is. I'm, I'm shocked that Stephen has said things on, on open social media. I'm no longer politically affiliated. I know, I don't want, you know, I'm, I'm not in politics. Well, that's a hell of a time. That reminds me of Tim Walz saying right before. Before you're about to get deployed.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Hey, guys. Good luck. Good luck to you. Take care. I mean, you're gonna jump ship now? You're gonna say, even though you're not gonna back the other side, I backed the other side. I came right out of it this time. And 2020, and now hard, where I, you know, 18 months ago, the FBI, according to Joe Rogan and some other sources, blacklisted me. The FBI blacklisted me because I got on the show way before it was popular or anyone else had said it. And I said, do you really think that Joe Biden is gonna run against Donald Trump? Do you think those people don't know he's gonna get his ass kicked? He's never gonna run against her. The only chance they have is if Michelle Obama runs. They need an African American woman. Biden will get the nomination. They'll yank him for some ridiculous reason. He's sick. He's got an aneurysm, whatever it's gonna be. And they'll put Michelle in. If Michelle runs,

• 22:49Speaker 02

  they have a possible chance because it puts Barack back in. He was popular enough still to win. They didn't. They didn't pick the right horse. Because she probably didn't want to walk away from 70 million and the money they're making now. So they they back comma. Lowest approval rating in the history of vice presidency, and they lost. They lost. But I said that was gonna happen. Just like I said, night after night, three, four, five nights out. This isn't close in Michigan. This, and when I say close, I mean that she's a threat to win. She's gonna lose every single one of the battleground states, every one of them. Billy turns around and right, Billy and I were going at it. Alec and I don't even talk. Billy and I were going at it over this. And he said to me, oh, I guess pollsters around the world from Oxford, they know less than you do, Daniel. I said, Billy,

• 23:34Speaker 02

  follow the money. Just call up your guy in Vegas and ask him, what are the odds? You think these people that are betting hundreds of millions of dollars on this event? Just like a boxing match, just like, do they ever lose? Very rarely when they're betting that kind of money. And she was, you know, he was a 63% to 37%, some ridiculous odds on Vegas. Why? Because she was gonna beat her. That's why. And they knew something we didn't know. And I knew it too. So I said, next thing you know, I'm on a list. I just, I sent to Tony. YouTube pulled my show. I have a podcast. I've had a podcast for years. I was on ESPN. I was on Fox. I was on, and my podcast gets pulled out from YouTube. You have misinformation. You are using, I went, hang on a second.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  You guys stream Fox, you free stream CSNBC and you stream CNN on YouTube. You can watch those channels. Any piece of information that was on my show, I pulled the quote down. I pulled the picture down with the article, or I pulled the video down from those three sources. So if you're streaming them, what misinformation? And I asked them, you can appeal this decision. I said, okay, I appeal. So I start going through the appeal progress. They went, we're not accepting your appeal. Why? Because I didn't fit into their, their form of what they wanted to have on.

• 24:51Patrick Bet-David?

  What was it on a specific issue on YouTube? Or what was it? Was it on a specific video where you said something?

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Here's the interesting thing. Please tell me, please give me any example or they said examples of where I misinformed my audience. Where I didn't say, and I think, because I can give my opinion based on that article. Now, if you come out and you say someone's a pedophile, if you come out and you say, you better be able to back that up. There better be substantial information. I never did that. I said things like, this woman is totally unqualified because she doesn't hit any of the three characteristics that I find the most compelling to elect someone. Number one, what is your plan? Number two, how do you plan on executing your plan? And number three, and the biggest one, where's the money coming from? Because if you're going to say, I believe we should have fresh air. I believe good drinking water. These are all great things.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  How are you going to clean up the water? How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to pay for it? Because there's two pots, the pot of the money that goes out and the pot of the money comes in. So if you're going to give the middle class a break and you're going to, and you're going to let them save money on taxes, then you're depleting the pot that spends. So how are you replenishing it? Billionaires will pay more money. Madam Vice President, what if that doesn't pass the House? What if the Senate says no to that bill? Well, they, they have to say, no, they don't. No, they don't have to say. And by the way, while you continue to trick the American people into believing that billionaires aren't, aren't paying for your campaign, they are. It's just different billionaires. So you're going to make your friends pay more money in taxes to make up for the break you're giving them.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  It's all bullshit, Patrick. It's a game that we play. It's almost like a Harry Houdini illusion that there's no accountability. Where Trump won me over was in two places. It had to do with a mindset. I'll never forget the day I looked and I went, man, that's brilliant. What are you going to do about the nuclear proliferation of North Korea? They now have intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach the coast of California. And Trump went, nothing. Well, yeah, they could bomb San Francisco. They could, nothing. I'm from Queens. If we had a problem with a guy up in the Bronx, I called my cousin that lives up in the Bronx. I called my friends that live somewhere near there or someone I knew there that was a good friend of mine and ally.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  And I said, hey, straighten this guy out. What's it going to look like if China parks 500,000 troops on the North Korea peninsula? What's that going to look like? Let China worry about it. They're thirsty for our money. They need our money. They're trading with us. They're like Japan now. They're so dependent on American dollars. Let them worry about it and straighten this guy out. And I went, amen. Why would we send our boys over except for the industrial machine that is war right now? You know, what has been since the beginning of time. But still, why would we send our guys there? I love that mentality of it. And I thought, this guy's so far outside the box. He's so far outside the box. He handles it like a business. He's not, he's not politically loyal to really anybody.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  And, and he was friends with everyone. You know, it's so funny. They show those clips of the view of all those women who were loved him and he was their friend. And he was the best guy in the whole world. And now they hate his guts. They hate his guts. Why? Because he's not part of the machine.

• 28:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me ask you about, about the four of you. Okay.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:14Patrick Bet-David?

  If you were to put the four of you there politically, would you put William, Billy Far Left, then Alec, then Stephen, then you? Is that kind of how you would put it? If it was to say like where everybody lies? Because Alec doesn't give me vibes of a far left guy.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Well, you know, and then, and then he goes to Turin at the Turin Film Festival, accepting a lifetime award a few days ago, and says that the people on the right and the people of America are misinformed and they're not in the reality of, why? Because we don't agree with you? I mean, I would never allow an election to affect whether I love my brother Alec and affect my relationship with him. Whereas, he has absolutely allowed that to occur in the family with myself and other members. Billy and I were really close, and although we butt heads, and he lost, we, we didn't go so far that we weren't talking, but it was a real strain on our relationship. And then Stephen, I think he straddles the

• 29:14Speaker 02

  line. Because there's a part of Stephen that believes religiously, in particular, what he believes as a born again Christian. And that, and that what Trump has said. Now, again, I'm taking everything out of what the person personally is about. You go all the way back to JFK, and there's tunnels cut under the White House, and Marilyn Monroe, and who killed her? I mean, we could go on and on and on with all the conspiracies and things about infidelity, and from every president, pretty much, besides Jimmy Carter, who's probably the greatest man to ever be president, as a man, and not as a president. So, I, I, you know, I think Alec is, and Billy are neck and neck. I think Alec has learned to keep his mouth shut a little bit more right now. He's had a rough couple

• 29:53Speaker 02

  of years, you know, going on for him. And, and, and unjustifiably so. I mean, he, for sure, you know, what, what happened with him was a travesty, and, and really, really, really, really was sad for him. Because, you know, he, he deep down is, is a human being and a good guy. He's a good guy. He's got a big mouth, you know? So, he, he puts it out there, just like I do, but we don't agree. Billy and I, um, we don't agree at all politically. I mean, Billy believes that the, the, the reasons why Billy, that I heard, can't stand Trump have to a lot to do with personal things that he has towards Trump. Are any of them the guys that we want to be our Boy Scout leaders and, and raising our children? Probably not. Probably not. Because it's a terrible job to have. And

• 30:38Speaker 02

  I think what's required to be president You have to almost be, you have to be George Bush Senior. You have to be the former head of the CIA. That you have that kind of cold blood running through your veins. That you're willing to do the things that you have to do to run a conglomerate the size of this internationally, the way we do with war and life and death decisions and so on and so forth. I mean, I just, I don't envy anybody that has that, has that, has that job. But Stevie, Stevie is my biggest puzzle this year because as much as I thought he was an ally and, and he was all behind Trump, to the expense of his relationship with a couple of his brothers. Now he's kind of, you know, he's back in the game in Hollywood. He's, he doesn't really want to say he's too much bad about him because believe me, I'm not going to get hired for a TV series that shoots in Hollywood, a network television show.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  It would be, it would have to be a producer that I was really good friends with because of my stance about the president, because I've gone against a lot of these people. And I have a few theories about why they're so adamant and, and, and why that, that would exist, but we can go into that if you want to.

• 31:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, apart with, you've been, you've been in the world for a while. The whole family's been in the world for a while with Hollywood. The, the, the dark side of it that we keep hearing about, Stephen gave his perspective of it, what he's seen, what he hears, what he's witnessed. And, you know, you, when you, when you have a family name like this that people follow, what have you seen happen with Hollywood over the years? Or has it always been evil like Stephen said it?

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• 33:04Speaker 02

  It's well, okay, so uh it's always been not not to the level, I think. I mean, it's got more just look at look at television. Let's use television as as our microscope.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Uh Archie Bunker, All in the Family, and the things that they would talk about and the things they would hint at and racism and stuff that came out, trying to be done in a humorous way. If you go and watch a TV commercial in England, you can see full frontal breast of a woman and as long as it's done for a reason. If you were talking about making sure you get a mammogram, they'll show the woman's nipple, the whole bit. Here, oh, my God, you know, you could never show that on TV, but you can lop someone's head off with a sword with blood shooting at Avid on Dexter and stab a woman. You can take Grand Theft Auto and rape someone in a game that your kids are playing online. Do you know the one most common thing that the school shooting kids have in common? They all play one of three games.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Every single one of them played Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, or Fortnite. Those three. Every single shooter.

• 34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you?

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Go through it. Go through it. Take a look. Look at how he's looking up right now. He's fat checking me. Come on, baby. Why? So so take a look at it. You're walking into a building and you're going and you're shooting everything that moves. And after you do it 100, 200, 5,000, 20,000, you become so numb to the idea that you just shoot what you see in that room. And so those games are awful, awful for your kids to be involved in. They condone murder. They condone, I mean, they're they're bad games, man, I'm telling you. But the question about Hollywood, what's happened is we've become desensitized about what we're willing to accept. That's what I think has happened.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  We've become desensitized about look, look at, look at, um, look at Diddy, for instance. Let's take a look at him. Let's take a look at. He has videos. He has videos of the parties. Now, what I've heard, which I don't know how much of it is in mainstream media. I don't really follow the story that much. But what I've heard from friends that are attorneys, friends of mine, that have represented me before, agents and so on, is there's a bidding war going on right now. They're driving that price up because if you want your client and your famous actor to not be involved, or famous singer to not come out, here's the price. And that they're just selling to the individuals that are in those. This is what I heard. They're selling those videos.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  So if you're Tommy X, and Tommy X is a big, big movie star, and he was at some of the Diddy parties, he was in one of those bedrooms with three other men, and he's happily married to a woman, and blah, Tommy doesn't want that video to come out. He does not want it to come out. Same thing for Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the interesting thing about the Epstein and the theory about Epstein is, we know he filmed people, for sure, on that island. He has a lot of movies, a lot of films with people that are very, very powerful political figures, and entertainers, business people. So, do you really believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Of course not. Of course not. Okay, so there's other theories that he's in Lebanon, he never died at all. That having the weight of owning those films right now over people.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  So, will Donald Trump release those films? I believe Donald Trump, Trump probably has a lot of friends that are in those videos too. I don't know if it behooves him to release them either. But what happens if iconic African Americans, or iconic Japanese Americans, or iconic Anglo-Americans, I mean, former presidents, you know, and so, what happens if they're in those videos? What does that do to the herding of the sheep? I mean, because I believe that's exactly what we're experiencing. We're all being pushed in a certain direction because when I sat with my brother Alec and my father, and I watched Cronkite, and we sat and watched those news programs.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  And Cronkite reported the news. I believe that Cronkite was wholeheartedly reporting what he believed were true facts to the audience. I do not believe that anymore at all. I do not believe, I believe it's very agenda driven. I believe that they report, they, they actually edit footage. They do things to, to whatever it is, who they're working for and driving them that way. This happened in this election, never, ever has it happened more than it happened this last election. I mean.

• 37:28Patrick Bet-David?

  60 minutes. The edits they did.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Oh my God. They, they took, you can't, you, you legally can't even do that. I mean, no one's gonna say anything about it. No one's gonna say anything about it.

• 37:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think there's a part of it where it's the reason why they're losing credibility the way they have where, you know, the way they lost was incredibly embarrassing to lose all seven states and you had a billion plus dollars that you spent paying celebrities to endorse you and they're like, you know what? We're done. We don't want to buy this stuff anymore. You're just fake and they're losing their credibility. Because it just seems like, I mean, look at this, this election where, you know, Trump went on all these podcasts and podcasts have more credibility than mainstream media. One went on all the mainstream places, the other one on podcasts and he ended up winning by a landslide.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  When I come on and I watch your show, when I watch the few podcasts that I watch, I watch them and I know this, whether or not you have an opinion that, that slanted towards one side or whatever, I'm listening to what's being said and then I'm looking up to see, wow, really? That's true? You know, just like we just did with something I said, really? That happened? You know, I didn't know that, you know? So it's, it's, you're not telling the audience, this is what's fact. You're talking about something that's out there that I'm left to decide or, or research it and look up what I want. So you're, you're planting seeds more on podcasts, I think. So when I see a Rogan or I see you bring up even a product and you say, and blah blah, and I go, is that true, man? That, that thing really does that?

• 39:03Speaker 02

  And there's stuff out there? That is so amazing. What Robert Kennedy is supposedly tasked to do now will change and disrupt the entire business world, I mean, and politics forever, if he's allowed to really do it. And that is, you go to Canada and you feed your kid Fruit Loops. When you feed your kid Fruit Loops, this is the only country that has a different recipe for Fruit Loops than everywhere else in the world, because the colors, the dyes are banned in Canada, Europe, and all the other places, only in America. Why? Because the same companies that own carcinogenic chemicals that are in all our packaged foods are the same ones that own the pharmaceutical companies that are going to treat you when they give you cancer

• 39:46Speaker 02

  after 40 years of eating it. And then they're going to take you coming and going, and then you're dead. And this is what fuels the entire thing. So, how is it that in this incredibly powerful, smart country, that we would ever allow that? If we know that to be fact now, why would there not be a presidential act that the president just goes, "Yeah, no, you can't do that anymore. You're banned from..." Well, they did do that in England. They did do it in France, and Spain, and Germany. They just haven't done it here. Because those same companies are the ones that are shelling over the 100 mil donations and all the money for these politicians to run.

• 40:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to Diddy. Let's go back to Diddy and some of these stories that we're talking about. So, Diddy, did you ever spend time with the guy? Did you ever meet Diddy?

• 40:28Speaker 02

  I've met him before, yeah.

• 40:29Patrick Bet-David?

  How was he?

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Very nice guy, very smart, super business, you know, I mean, he's very successful. And I think that there's a duality in it. There was the faces that showed up at the parties, or the event that went to the big party, and then there was the late night crowd. When everyone started going, and then the doors got locked up, everyone got, and the last 40, 30 people were there, and then it was, and I was never at any of those.

• 40:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Was that a known thing? Like, you know how LeBron says, "There's no party like a Diddy party", or, you know, "In a Diddy party, don't stop", or, you know, you hear these lines? Did, did people know, it's like dude, I was at the party, we're there till six o'clock in the morning. Let me tell you what happened after two. Here's what happened. Here's what.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that known?

• 41:16Speaker 02

  So I'll, I'll tell you, um, I don't know how much, I don't like to say things that I know unless I see it. That, that there's a little difference, you know, um, but was it discussed? Was there descriptions from people I know that were at those? Yes, but here's another thing. So how many of these big entertainment parties and over the years and everything with the success, successful as you are? Have you been around? Does anyone ever come up to you at a certain hour and say, okay, it's time to go? At those parties, they did. At a certain time, he shut it down, but not everybody left. So he would, anyone that wasn't super famous or, or I'm with him or whatever, were exited from the house. You were gone. And then, you know, you were with your, but what people I don't think realized was,

• 41:59Speaker 02

  he had cameras all over the place. They unbeknownst to them. And now he has all that footage, supposedly. This is what I'm told. So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens if, you know, you're a huge iconic, you know, TV star or, or movie star and you're in some very, very.

• 42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's getting the money though? The blackmail, the money's going to who? So let's just say I represent, I don't know, I represent J Lo, I represent LeBron, I represent whoever it is.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So what are you gonna do? Well, here's what we're gonna do. Here's what the pay is. 30 million bucks, 20 million bucks. Who's the money going to?

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Okay. So, so I'm, you know, I'm not sure, uh, I, I don't buy for a minute that he's going to prison without getting out of here somewhere and stashing $2 billion or whatever. I, I think he has that kind of power. Meaning Sean himself. But remember, it goes a lot deeper than that. So play the game with me for a second. Let's say it's LeBron, which I, I'm, I'm not implying in any way that I believe LeBron James is involved in this, but he does have the famous quote, no party like a Diddy party. So, do you think LeBron James is the only one that has an interest in whether his, his career is destroyed? No, Nike has an interest. No, certain apparel companies have interests. No, many other people that are involved in huge businesses that are part owners of, of giant conglomerate companies have an interest in that. So Shaquille O'Neal owns most of J C Penney's.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  But what you're talking about companies that if it comes out, so. They might be the one that says they paid 25 million for that. You know, they you're you're talking about ruining the sale of an entire line of clothing about. And I'm again, I'm not saying I know this is going on.

• 43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  They paying if let's just say because accounting wise, if you're a publicly traded company. I can try if somebody does a quality of earnings or if somebody does an audit on you, which when you're public, you're doing it all the time. What's this 30 million dollars? Oh, it's marketing dollars to who? Show me who went to who is this account? What is this company?

• 43:46Speaker 02

  So what happens if I make a what happens if I have a tape of, you know, some guy on another show here at ValueTainment? And I turn around and I come to the head guys here and I say, there's this very terrible tape of this guy. And ValueTainment decides to make a donation to or or or a marketing deal with me. You're right. It's going to be something like that. They're not going to say this is for the the video, but.

• 44:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is the they? Who is the?

• 44:09Speaker 02

  I believe his representatives represent him. No, that that would be.

• 44:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So they're implying. Yeah, well, that's that's the part where, you know, I'm wondering what. So one, more people are getting bolder to put the stuff out about him. What does that mean? More people are getting bolder to say, here's a video of him and his girlfriend. How come we didn't see it before? It's been around for a while. Now you're showing it to us? Here's who this person came out. 30 million dollars here. This person over here, that person over here. Jamie Foxx, I don't know if you saw the one with Jamie Foxx saying the fact that when his special comes out, he's actually going to talk about the fact that. Diddy's the one that poisoned him. Again, this is a.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  I heard that story too.

• 44:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Was that? Yeah. How a story about Sean Diddy Combs and Jamie Foxx mystery illness went viral? Is this the one? Yeah, December 2nd, go a little lower. Some of the upcoming Netflix comedy shows, Jamie Foxx's show. Expected to include the actor addressing a mysterious 2023 health crisis that left him hospitalized. This is from today. For more than 20 days and recovering for months more, but has also sparked rumors it was Diddy. Uh, may have some of your response for okay, uh, which Combs camp has denied, but Fox has not. I mean, of course, Combs camp is going to deny. But it's what Fox is going to say because everyone's interested in what Fox's story is.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  But now, but now if you go, if you go and you look further about. Um, the number of people that have had this sudden death. Thing happen to them that are related to to Diddy. Some it's like some. Viral lung or something like some weird, but like five people that had information on him that were going to testify against him that look it up. So if you look up, you know, death trail of Diddy affiliates due to mysterious disease or whatever you want, and it's going to come up and you're going to go, wow. So and a lot of the same symptoms as Fox. And there was, I mean, there's a number of them that one couple, it was a couple that both died. One died, the husband, I think, and then the girlfriend died like a month later of the same thing.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  And they believe that it has something to do with him. Again, I don't know this, I, you know, I, I, but it just seems very suspicious when you go through and you look at in the history of different people that can make you go away. If you, you know, listen, I've worried about some of the things that I talk about on my show. If someone going to knock on my door one day, is my car going to blow up? Is my, because I'm willing to talk about things. 13 deaths around Diddy, nine victims of city college incident, Tupac and Biggie Kim, you know, blah, blah, it goes on and on, you know. And I think the funny thing is we're fed what they want us to believe. So how much of it is you're looking over here while they're doing whatever they're doing over here? And, and I think a lot of misdirection happens in the press.

• 46:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Go with Epstein. Epstein is a different story. Did you ever have a chance to meet Epstein?

• 46:49Speaker 02

  No, I did not know him.

• 46:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. And with Epstein, you hear stories with him, with the people that went to the, to, what do you call it? The Epstein Island, right?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 46:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what do you think happened there? And what do you think is going on right now? You're saying that one of the reasons why you don't believe Epstein's list is going to come out because some of them may have been Trump's associates, Trump's friends.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Well, not just Trump or, or, or the Clintons or anyone that's, that's in office. But I will say the difference between the two entities, Diddy and, and Epstein are, you're talking about super, super powerful political figures internationally from, you know, there's rumors of Trudeau, there's rumors, you know, I mean, these are presidents, premiers, prime ministers, these are very, very ex-presidents. So, and, and we're also, there's something to be said. So if I show you, let's say, me, okay, and I, and I'm, you know, Tom Cruise size, I'm a huge A-list actor, and you show me having A gay relationship that's on film, me having sex with some other man. Now, again, as a leading man, is that gonna be damaging the box office?

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Is that gonna hurt my credentials? Is that gonna say anything about the children that I had? And what's that gonna do to me? Again, if you denied it and said that it didn't happen, then it comes out and they show videotape of it. I guarantee that thing sells off the chain. People wanna see that. That's way different than saying that you had sex with an underage boy or girl. That's illegal. Okay, so what happened on Epstein's Island are things that are rumored to have there are underage girls, really young too, like 12, you know? Like, young girls that are testifying now, "I was there, I had sex with this, this, this." Those are illegal activities. And also, America, even as wild as we can be here, and let's go to Vegas, you know, with, you know, the wildest of the wild. They don't accept that behavior. That's gonna be one, that's gonna be a tough one to outrun that bullet.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  So, the Epstein stuff, I think, is far more serious than getting your freak on with Diddy and doing the things that they did over there. Unless there's underage people involved in that. I think that's a different category.

• 48:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know, without naming names, do you know specifically people that were on that island? Who are, you know, who you spent time with or you knew in Hollywood?

• 49:01Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 49:01Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 49:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And you, have you heard vivid stories of what took place on that island?

• 49:08Speaker 02

  I have been with people that I have told me, again, again, like Hollywood isn't a place that people shoot their mouths off and tell things that aren't true. But I have people, I know people that have told me either secondhand or that they themselves had been there. And remember too, I don't think that everyone went there knowing what was gonna happen. I think people went there going, "Oh, we're going to this great island, this guy Epstein's doing a movie," or whatever. They get there and they go, "Oh, she's beautiful, yeah, she's kinda interested in you." You know, and again, I'm paraphrasing, "She's kinda interested in you. If you, you know, wanna go get a massage, well, she looks very young." You know, and so if you had any conscience, you would say, "Yeah, no, I'm not doing that." Or, "No, I'm married," or, "No, I'm," you know, or whatever the reason was.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Then when the girl gets in there, let's say you're even stupid enough to go in the room, and the girl goes, "I'm 14." You should get up and walk out of the room. She might have been all dressed up and you thought she was 20, and you thought you were gonna have a fling. Once you found that out, because that's part of the allure of it, that you want to be with an underage girl or underage boy. Once you found that out. Now, if you stay in the room, you've asked for trouble, and you're about to get trouble, because he had a camera hidden in the room, and he has all kinds of videos supposedly of those events. Now, what does that look like? If that came out eight years ago and Hillary Clinton's husband was involved, what does that look like if Donald Trump was involved? What does that look like if Tim Walz was? Again, you could shape the direction of a country based on having won the wrong person in one of those videos.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  And I believe those types of influential people are involved in this, which is why you probably will never see them because they will do everything. Look at, look at when they raided Diddy's house. Did you ever see the footage of them walking out with the raid? They got like two boxes about this big. That was it. That was the whole raid was to take those two boxes? Or was that whole raid to keep Sean Combs in the news? Cause a lot of other stuff was going on at that time. Yeah, look, that was it. That was when you came with, you know, National Guardsmen and SWAT guys with the two sons walking out with their hands up. And for that whole giant estate, which is like four homes and I don't know, something doesn't match up about it. Something just doesn't match up about it. Hey, I got a question for you. And I'll, and I'll come back to whatever you want.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  What do you think of the pardon?

• 51:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Um, I was gonna ask you about it, but for me, for me, I think the pardon is, here's my sequencing of what I think happened.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I really, I really wanted to hear about it.

• 51:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think one, I think Biden wasn't planning on pardoning, pardoning Hunter because he did not think Trump was gonna win. Because Biden thought Kamala would win with all the money behind her. And the favor that Kamala had in return is to pardon Hunter to prevent anything from happening with Joe. And that's why Corrine Jean-Pierre and everybody kept saying, no, no, no one's above the law, no, no. Cause the plan was Kamala's gonna win. Trump doesn't stand a chance. The DOJ, all the lawsuits, you know, E. Jean Carroll, all this stuff that's gonna, it's just not gonna happen. This guy's toast. A year ago, a lot of people thought Trump was toast. Then all of a sudden he wins.

• 52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So then Trump is in a perfect place. Why? Because one of two things are gonna happen. Either Biden is not gonna pardon his son, or Biden is. Let's play both of them out. If Biden does pardon his son, it allows Trump to do anything and everything with J6, anything and everything, anybody Trump pardons, guess what? Can't say nothing about it. Nothing. You pardon your own son. So don't tell me it don't nepotism type of stuff. Now, say Biden doesn't pardon his son, okay? Trump has that carrot right there to use for four years. And I believe on day one, my opinion, I believe on day one,

• 53:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump would have pardoned Hunter and all the J6 people on day one to confuse the shit out of the media. The media would have been like, wait a minute, who did he just? Did he really just pardon Biden's son Hunter and J6? So on one end, you're pissed because it's all the J6 people. On the other end, you're like, wait a minute. His own father didn't pardon him, but Trump, this is confusing what's going on. To me, it was a sequencing play and Trump was in a power play. And if, you know, if, if, uh, what's his name? If he was gonna do it the right way, I think I like what Joe Manchin said. Joe Manchin said, he should have pardoned him and Trump at the same time. Instead of doing just Hunter.

• 53:46Patrick Bet-David?

  If Joe would have pardoned Hunter and Trump on the same day, the market would have said, all right, it's kind of like a wash. We get totally what you're doing. That's what I think. I don't think Biden had any plans of pardoning him because he did not think Trump was gonna win.

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• 55:02Speaker 02

  Okay, so I buy, I like the theory, the both theories. I will say this, it's like the old adage, what questions does a lawyer never ask? A question he doesn't know the answer to. Never ask that question. The same here. Don't ever say something, as Biden, that you don't 100% know. So what got him was the fact that he kept saying he would never pardon him. No, I will never, I would never use my power, because guess what? Hey, everybody, if my son has charges against him, and I'm president, and as a parting gift, I get to pardon my son, I'm pardoning my son, for sure. It wasn't like he was, you know, some gratuitous, terrible murderous crime

• 55:43Speaker 02

  or something, Manson or something. Again, he had a drug problem. He sought some help, he made some mistakes, and as president, I would pardon my son. His mistake was, I think, that he said he wouldn't do it. And so egregiously, he told everyone he was never going to do that. Now, on the other side, you bring up something very interesting to me. And that is, what would it have looked like if Biden had pardoned Trump? What would it look like if, as a parting gift, he said, you know what? Let's start fresh. You're president, I'm pardoning my son, and I pardon you of any of the... That would have been something for Joe Biden to have done. I think also, the American people wouldn't have been so quick to jump on him for changing what he said he was going to do.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  And they would have seen that as a very confusing thing that he did. Same as you were saying, if it had been Trump. That would have been very interesting if he had done that. I have said a number of times, and I'm still hanging on to this. It's not as obvious to me anymore. And I don't think it's as credible, but it's still a possibility. That she becomes number forty seven. That she actually comes in. If, remember, if you get to see the, he's got some, some heart palpitation, or he's, you know, he blew a gasket and we're not sure what it is. For precautionary reasons, we're gonna make Kamala president for thirty five days, you know, whatever. I still think that's in play, I really do.

• 57:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I don't, I don't disagree. I think it's very likely of happening. You know, if they wanted to kind of really piss people off, that would be one. You know who'd be the most pissed if that would have happened? One person would be more pissed than anybody else.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 57:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Hillary Clinton.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, can you imagine?

• 57:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody would be more pissed than her. Because she would, she would be, she would steal. And by the way, there's no way Kamala is at Hillary's level of anything.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think she's at, you know, you don't have to like Hillary. But if I had to choose between the two, strategy wise, Kamala is not even close to the level of Hillary has. Good, bad, ugly, doesn't matter. Deceptive, nasty, whatever you want to call it. Hillary would lose her shit if that were to take place. Let me, let me go back to some of the questions we're, we're talking about with, you know, your brother William. William did sliver, didn't he?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  He did, he did sliver.

• 57:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And Sharon Stone, Sharon Stone and I, one time Sharon Stone messaged me. She started following me on Instagram. And she started watching some of the videos. And then one time I'm like, so how often you come to Florida? Would love to do a podcast with you. I would never go to the state of Florida. Why would you go to Florida? Are you kidding me? Look what your governor has done. He's destroyed the entire great state. I used to love Florida. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This just went on a complete, I'm just asking you. And she could not believe that I was optimistic about Florida, that I lived in LA twenty six years and I moved to Texas. And then from California to Texas to Florida.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  We're in Texas.

• 58:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Plano, Plano, Texas. We have an office in Addison till today.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Your brother, what, when he played sliver, I'll never forget the soundtrack, right? Uh, uh, who, the, I can sing the song, but I remember the sound, it was actually a very good movie.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Sing it, baby, come on.

• 58:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's Wise Men. Which one is it? UB forty? I think it is UB forty, right?

• 58:49Speaker 02

  Wise Men.

• 58:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the one? I think it is UB forty on the soundtrack. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, Falling in Love With You.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  The elevator scene. What, what was maybe his, maybe yours? What, what can you say about Sharon Stone? Because she said a couple of things just this last week about politics.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  You know, I'll tell you my Sharon Stone story. So they're on set, um, they don't get along very well. They did, they didn't hit it off at all, and they had some real steamy love scenes.

• 59:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It was well documented.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Okay. Well documented.

• 59:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  So I believe, um, she said, her quote was, and I'm paraphrasing. If Billy Baldwin thinks he can carry a movie without me, he's out of his mind. And Billy came back and said something to the effect of, uh, all I know is she was an average kisser and something, something else, you know, like some other dig on her. So they come to me and they said to me, hey, you know, your brother's feuding with Sharon Stone. At the time, she's huge, you know, she's like the biggest female star. Her, Julia, and maybe a handful of others. And so I said, yeah, you know, I, I, I don't really have anything to say now. I think Billy was, you know, probably thirty five and she was thirty six or somewhere around there. So now I'm doing the Tonight Show. I go there and they asked me, do you want to be our first guest? You've done the show before.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  Would you like to be the first guest on Wednesday? Which is not a very, you know, well watched day. And listen, my ego's out of it. I want the most people possible to see the Tonight Show. Or you can go on Friday in second position behind Sharon Stone, who's huge, way bigger than me. And I went, I'll go on Friday, let Sharon get the audience to watch it. And I can say, go watch my movie. So I'm in the green room and I just told, it's so funny because I just told this story to, uh, to your guys, um, and I'm in, I'm in the, I walk in the green room. I sit down, I'm getting ready. Sharon's got to go on first, you get to watch them on the show. And there's a door just opens, no knock, and it's Sharon Stone. And she looks at me and she goes, you do know I'm going on first? And I looked at her and I went, well, yeah, you're Sharon Stone. That's the reason why I did it on a Friday, because you're going to draw more people than I will. And she goes, okay.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  She goes, and you know, I'm not waiting for you. I said, I'm sorry? So you know, when you do the Tonight Show, you move one seat down and the next guest comes in and you stay out there to watch the person, you know, and be there and you assemble all.

• 1:00:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It was important to her to say that I'm not waiting for you?

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  And you know, I'm not waiting for you. And I said, again, you're Sharon Stone. If you decide you don't want to wait, I guess I'll just go out there alone, me and Jay.

• 1:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she hardcore, cold?

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  Oh, she's saying, Jessica, and you realize I'm not waiting for you. And I went. Yeah, you're Sharon Stone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to. She walks out and she goes, "Fine," and shuts the door really hard and walks out. Now, this is all, I, I've never met the woman. So this has to do with Billy and how much she hates Billy, right? So I go do the show. She didn't wait. I, I kept a good show with Jay and I know Jay a little bit, so we're talking about cars and having fun, blah, blah. And I get done and I call the reporter from Millie times back the next day. And I said, "You know, I do have a comment. I just don't understand how a thirty-five-year-old man and a forty-nine-year-old woman can't get along." And they printed it. They printed it. And I added, I added like fourteen years on to her age.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  I got a call from my publicist going, "Sharon Stone's publicist just called and you said she's forty-nine years old." I went, "She looks forty-nine. I mean, I don't know how old she is, but I thought it was a funny comment."

• 1:02:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Did you ever run into her again?

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, she, she burned a lot of bridges because she was, you know, tough to get along with. And she was pretty legendary with some of the things that, um, you know, she, she was very demanding. And, and you gotta remember, when that escalator's going up, it's coming down later. And so you're gonna cross those same people again. So it doesn't cost any extra to be nice. I remember I was at my father, the ten-year anniversary of the death of my father. And my mother was not taking it well. She handled his death better than she did the ten-year anniversary. And I called her up. She was in Syracuse, New York. And I said, "Mom, I'm gonna come into town this weekend. Let's go out to dinner and we'll go do it." And she said, "Okay, honey, come on in." And so I fly into Syracuse and now it's the night. It's Saturday night. It's the ten-year anniversary, I believe, of my father's death, or, or within a couple of days.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  And, um, a woman came up to me and she said, "Uh, excuse me, Mr. Ballin, but I watch your show." You know, and I, I think it's, and I said, "Ma'am, are you eating in the restaurant?" And she said, "Yes, I am. Would you mind if I found..." And my mother's tears are coming down her eyes. We're talking about how much she loved my father and she misses him. And the woman turned around and I said, "I'll find you in five, ten minutes." She said, "Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes." I turned, I looked. My mother wasn't crying anymore. And she said, "You get up from that chair right now. You go find that woman. You sign the autograph and take the picture right now." And I went, "Mom," she went, "now, Daniel." And I got up and I found the woman. I took a picture with everybody at the table and I signed her nap, her, uh, menu. And I sat back down with my mother and she said... Just remember something hot shot, it doesn't cost any extra to be nice.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  And I've never turned down a picture. I have never turned down an autograph. Ever since that, because you know what? Patrick, it doesn't cost any extra to be nice. And there may be someone from Iowa. That that picture. Is on the mantle next to the urn of their grandfather, you know, so I mean, it could be a really big deal to them. And so I have never done that again, but that was the lesson for me. And so I think Sharon probably forgot a lot of that stuff. You know, as she was coming up. But then I heard she she actually got to be a little, a little nicer. Now, your, your interaction that you're talking about is more recent, no?

• 1:04:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it was, let me check, it was two years ago. I couldn't even tell you what the, let me, let me get the exact timeline. She was very respectful at the beginning until I said Florida.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  And that's so crazy, a whole state. You know, or that a whole, a whole, a, a, a, a party, a whole Republican.

• 1:04:19Patrick Bet-David?

  February thirteenth. Twenty-three.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Patrick Bet-David?

  February thirteen twenty-three. She was not a fan of Florida. At all, like, who would come to Florida now?

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, it's like the same thing, you know, the list of people that were, this election was the biggest ever. But we're, we're gonna leave the country. If Trump won. And I sit there. And I look at, you know. New in the news is Ellen has moved to, to London. Ellen and Portia. And I think to myself, no offense to Ellen, but. Who cares whether Ellen left and moved to, okay, bye. You know, so, but the threat that I'm gonna leave, like. You're, you know, the person that has the only water that we drink. Are you like?

• 1:05:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Patrick Bet-David?

  How many people said they're leaving, by the way?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:05:05Patrick Bet-David?

  People, by the way, going back to Sharon, I'm just pulling up the movie Sharon Stone did. Basic Instinct, legendary.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:05:11Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I was on a flight, uh. Two and a half, three years ago, I'm on a flight, I'm like, you know what? I haven't watched Basic Instinct in twenty years.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me watch it.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  How did it hold up?

• 1:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  First of all, everybody is walking by my seat, first class, they're thinking I'm watching porn, I'm like, guys, I'm wa- I'm explaining myself, and that's Basic Instinct. It's, but, but why would you watch?

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Sharon Stone, Sharon Stone.

• 1:05:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Sharon Stone. I'm watching Basic Instinct, then I watch, uh, uh, obviously Casino, she crushed it, what I would. What else we got here? Sliver, okay, I like Sliver. She did some big, you know, she did some stuff there, at one point, you're right, she was a.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  She was the cat's meow there for a while.

• 1:05:45Patrick Bet-David?

  She was, she was for a minute, and then boom, Hollywood. Like this.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you know, there was, there's legendary, famous Hollywood stories about, uh, I can't, I'm trying to remember what. Whether it was her, Kim Basinger, that had the hot tub scene that she insisted that it be Evian water and she had them drain the hot tub and then they had to buy like a thousand.

• 1:06:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me you're joking.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm this, this, this.

• 1:06:10Patrick Bet-David?

  This is her or Basing?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  It was one of the two, but I bet you if you Google it, it's something comes up. But that, yeah, she literally said, I will not get in the hot tub unless it's Evian. And they had to, the, the crew had to go out. Did you find it?

• 1:06:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it says Kim Basing.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was Kim. It was Kim. So, you know, but again, those are those stories.

• 1:06:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, she was married to Alec.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  She was married to Alec. So, so, and, and those are those stories that, you know, when you're a guy that's on set, and I've never forgotten how grateful I am, I'll pick up, you know, camera equipment with my guys if they gotta rush it off. I don't care. I'm not, you know, I'm not, you, you, where's my coffee? And I'm just not that guy. But then you hear the legendary stories about the guys that are, you know, that, that they drained the hot tub, she would not get in it, they had to drain it out. And then, now again, I don't know, I wasn't there, but that's, that's one of those stories that.

• 1:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  How was Kim though? I mean, you, you've spent time around Kim. Was she easygoing when you guys are just, you know, behind camera?

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  It was, it was, um, there was Alec and Kim. I lived, I'll tell you this, I lived in Sherman Oaks and, and you lived in LA for a long time. I lived in Sherman Oaks.

• 1:07:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Where, where in Sherman?

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Um, I lived on, right off of Woodland.

• 1:07:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Um, in the hill there. Um, so I had Gary.

• 1:07:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Hills? Like closer Woodland Hills?

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Woodman.

• 1:07:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Woodman. Got it. Yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  So it was Gary Shandling, Brian Benben, and, uh, uh, what's her name that he's married to Brian? Um, oh gosh, beautiful actress. I can't think of her name. Um, anyway, and, and me, we live in a triangle right near each other. We play basketball all the time and stuff. Um, and, and

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  he lived in Woodland Hills with Kim in the, I don't know how many years they were together, but you know, seven or eight, I never was at their house once in my life. I lived 12 minutes from them. Not one time. No, no, think about that. I want you to think about that. I lived, the only two of us of six that lived in California, we lived 12 minutes away from each other, and I never saw his home once. Now, we'd come by, we'd go play tennis, we played football in a league together, we talked.

• 1:08:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But not the house?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  He, he has a very, you know, it's, he keeps it very close, his cards, close to the va- he could come over to my house whenever he wanted to, but, no, never got invited over.

• 1:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Has he always been that private?

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  He's pretty private, um, you know, with his wife now and their kids. I think he likes to keep home very separate. You know, I thought it was odd that I was his brother and I never once saw his home.

• 1:08:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you guys, do you guys have family traditions like annual Thanksgiving, Christmas, stuff like that, or no?

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  We have, uh, we used to play the Turkey Bowl every Thanksgiving. Uh, you know, he would quarterback one team, I would quarterback the other and the rest of the neighborhood kids, and we played that for many years, even well into our 40s, you know, we played the Turkey Bowl. We'd go back to New York, meet guys on the golf course and go play, you know.

• 1:08:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You guys don't talk anymore now?

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  No, we don't talk very often now, you know, I, I, it's interesting, when my mom passed away, it, it, I'm not sure what it did to him, so there was that. And then, just recently, his situation in New Mexico, where, um, his wife called, along with my sister, and said, he could really use your support now. Now, keep in mind, I haven't talked directly to him for months, and suddenly, we're going to court, Steven's gonna go, Billy was not feeling well, so, of the boys to be there, and I said, of course I'll go. So my wife and I bought the tickets, we were leaving on Monday, he got acquitted on Friday, I never had to go. But, um, I have not directly spoken to him. He was here at a show in Atlanta, um, doing some kind of autograph thing, one of those big Comic Con kind of things.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  And I just showed up, and I walked over, I talked to him for three minutes, and he said, I gotta go. That was it. So, I don't know how much it is my mom, how much it is some unresolved stuff that we have, uh, or, you know, he just, he, he made an announcement. I have decided to realign my, you know, my relationships with different people in this family now that mom is gone. And, uh, so I'm, I'm probably gonna go a little dark about, and I haven't heard from him, my mother died two years ago now.

• 1:10:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He ma- he made that public announcement?

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  Oh, he made that to me, to me, he let me know that.

• 1:10:05Patrick Bet-David?

  To you and Steven and Billy, or just to you?

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  He doesn't speak much to, uh, um, to multiple members of the family. I'll only keep it about me though, because I don't want to speak, but for, between he and I, I've reached out to him. I say things like, dad's birthday, and he writes, Yes. I called with my son and posted a video to him recently. Nothing. No response. My little eighteen-month-old boy. You wanna say hi to Uncle Xander, you know, and... Nothing back. So I'm not sure where he's at. I don't know if we'll... We'll have that time where we sit and kinda try to figure that out. Um, I'm very sad because, I mean, he... Here's a guy that, if I go back in my Words with Friends catalog, we played Words with Friends every day for four years. Every single day we played.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  If he was on set, I was on set, we played at least a couple of words and would comment, you know, you know, "Fuck you" when I get a big word, you know, like, right? You know, I'd get at him and he'd go, "We'll see", you know, "Keep playing, game's not over", you know? And we went, we would talk shit with each other, you know, and go back and forth, but, uh, nope, none of that anymore. Don't, uh, don't speak.

• 1:11:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's tough to think about, though. Like, I'm online right now, typing, uh... I typed in "Young Baldwin Brothers", right? I'll see a picture of a wedding.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know whose wedding this is, but this is someone's wedding, you guys, right? Of course, we see the picture that we talked about on, uh, when, uh, when, uh, what's his name, when, uh, Stephen was on. You know which picture, the one that we just showed right now?

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, the one where I'm holding my crotch.

• 1:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and, yeah, the one that you're holding in your crotch. All these pictures, right, that we're looking at.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Uh, You bring up a really important and interesting thing that I wanna, I wanna go into if I can.

• 1:11:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Okay, so, now, take a look at that. How much of it has to do... So with Billy, Billy, and I, and I won't break open my phone to read the text messages, but I'll tell you that he wrote me, Billy, a dissertation about all the things with this scumbag criminal about Trump. And how dare could I, uh, elect someone who's a known rapist, who's known this and a this and a thi... And all these just scathing, terrible statistical things that he is, you know, again, and I, you know, had brief conversations with him going, "Billy..." If they're evaluating a piece of land for me and they say, what's it worth? I'm never going to say below the number. I'm probably not going to say the number.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  I'm going to say, I want to borrow money or sell it for more money than it's worth to see what I get for selling it. What you're quoting he is guilty of in his indictments in New York is trying to borrow more money than the property was worth, which they have a guy that comes from the bank that looks at and says, no, sir. It's only worth this. This is all we're willing to give you. And then you accept the deal. If you made that a crime, there would be 500,000 people in jail over the last 10 years that own real estate in New York. So, so that, that to me, again, trying to explain those things and trying to get a word in edgewise when someone hates someone. But here's the more compelling thing, Patrick. The more compelling thing is when I look, and I'm not saying this is exclusive to the Democrats.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  But when I look at the number of people in my own life that wrote, you effing loser communist scumbag. But you know, all the stuff they wrote to me because I came out for Trump. The same happened with members of my family. When I, when I had to read and I said, would you really allow an election to affect the relationship with one of your siblings? And my answer back was stunned from Billy was pretty much yes. He said that. Pretty, pretty much yes. That he, that, that nothing was more important than who was going to take this country. But, and I went, wow, I'm so sad you think that because I honor your right to vote and be whoever you want to be. And I, and don't get me wrong. I love my brother Billy. I mean, I'm a huge fan. I admire him. Um, I'm closest to him of my brothers for sure.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  I named my son William Bat Baldwin. He's William after my brother Billy. The only, I think the only of our siblings that named one after another one of our siblings is me naming.

• 1:14:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you and Billy so close?

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  We, you know, there's a, I call it a wrestler's mentality. We both wrestled together in high school. We were, um, I was closest with Alec when I was really little, because Billy was so little. But from, you know, the time I was in fourth or fifth grade and Billy was two grades behind me. We played sports together. We did everything, you know, a lot together in our teenage years. Until I finally went off and left for school. But, um, uh, yeah, Billy and I were definitely the closest. And, and, and, and there were times too, when Steven was too young, remember, I'm, I'm, I'm a sober drug addict. And, and so, um.

• 1:14:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Almost 18 years, right?

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, a long time now. Yeah, yeah. And so, and so, but Billy never gave up on me. Billy never gave, you know, I, I will say that he, you know, Billy wasn't lending me his car for a certain amount of years, you know, because I was pretty irresponsible. When I kept going through recovery, Billy was always the one that came. Billy would call, Billy would check on me, Billy would travel sometimes with me when I was struggling, you know? And so, he was always that brother to me and vice versa. Billy's had some, you know, uh, um, some really hard things in his life. This is, um, I'm throwing that up. You ready? See that?

• 1:15:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  That's the VB crew. That's Vance Baldwin, Billy's son, who years back turned around and when he was 17, he said, you know, Dad, my, my one testicle is really sore. It's kind of swollen. He finds out that his son, 17, has full-blown cancer. And, ah, and, and, and it was bad. It had spread into his stomach and, and up into his lungs. And it was touch and go there for a little while. So I shaved my head.

• 1:15:35Patrick Bet-David?

  He's here though. He's, he's.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Vance, Vance lived. He's, he's, he's a monster. Uh, and a really good kid. But I remember, you know, watching Billy, tracking Billy go through that and, and having him, you know, his son's basketball, because his hair was falling out from the chemo. So if you look on the tattoo, it has these little nubs of hair on it and, and, and checking in on Vance all the time. We're that brother. So when this election took place and I saw that in some way, in any way, that could crack or fracture or penetrate my relationship with any of my siblings, I was dumbfounded because I could never, I mean, I, I've watched Alec do stuff politically, watched him do Trump and on SNL and, and do the things that he does in the statements, the wild statements sometimes he makes about, you know, different political offerings and, and, and issues that he feels passionately about.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  I never call him up and, and tell him he's wrong or, uh, listen, look out the window. What you see is what you see. What I see is what I see. We're never wrong about an opinion. But to let that have an effect on, on how much you love or time you spend with one of your siblings, hey, man, we don't have that much time on this planet. I can blink and remember when I was 25. And I'm 64 now. And you know what? I've got a young son and a young wife. And I, and you know, I'm gonna blink and I'm gonna be gone. You know, it'll be over. So I don't want to be at arms with my brothers. I don't want to be at arms with anybody, really, unless it's for a cause that, that benefits the greater good to do so. Nothing that my brothers believe in, or nothing that my sisters or other people that I care about, would I allow that to get involved or get in between me and them.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  There are people that don't feel that way. And my point that I was trying to make was, most of the stuff that I saw that was personal and, and mean came from the Democratic side. I did not see people, over the years, when I was a Democrat, say any of the Republican friends of mine say, you know, you, you asshole, you know, you're illusible, your movies suck, blah, blah, you know, or whatever, or personal attacks on me due to my history. The stuff that I had to endure from Democrats about my brother Alec and his situation, I've never, I mean, the scathing, awful things that people wrote to me about, you know, him being, you know, all these different terrible things that they described him as over this accident that happened. And guess what? When it happens to one, it's the Baldwin brothers. We're

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  looped in and lumped into one category many times. So I have to endure what all of them do, just like they had to do back in the day with me when I was being irresponsible. Now, I'm not saying Alec was being irresponsible, but I've had to endure a lot publicly in the last couple of years over his, his problem that he had. A lot. A lot.

• 1:18:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But you guys backed them up, though. I mean, if, if you read stories about it, everybody backed them up, right? Everybody had, you know, of what happened.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  People don't know the real story.

• 1:18:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  People don't know the real story because they weren't there and they don't know, and they didn't get the full description of it. She's the director of photography. Here's the camera pointed at you. There's a monitor on the side of the camera that she's looking at the monitor like this, and the camera's pointing at you and you're Alec. And she's directing him through the shot. She's saying, okay, Alec, take the gun out. And he drew the gun. Left, left, right there. Take it out and do it there again. Do it there. And she's watching, not looking at him. Whatever you're pointing at right there is tilt the gun a little and she's walking him through the motions that she wants him to do. So the gun being pointed at her was under her direction. She's telling him where to point the gun. Wow. He pulls the hammer back and the hammer releases. So now again, let's not even get into

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  the last person that you want to be involved with loading or unloading gun is the actor. So they've got a professional that's licensed. It's called the armorer. That person somehow, somehow loads the weapon. The one that was really, really, I thought the biggest crime. The first assistant director is handed the gun from the armorer. So now I'm not the director, I'm the first assistant director. I take the gun from the armorer. Yeah. And I take the gun and I hold it up in front of the entire cast and crew and I have, I have to say one of two things. Hot gun on set, cold gun on set. Cold gun, meaning it's empty. And to be able to declare the weapon cold, you have to have fired it.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  If it's a revolver, you have to fire it six times. So this first assistant director announced cold gun on set, handing it to Alec, which again, if everyone's chain of command doing their job, there's been a mistake already with a live round put in. And then the first, they gave the first AD immunity initially to testify against Alec. When the armorer would not probably have shot the gun, would have loaded the gun, but he could not announce cold weapon on set. Now this is my understanding of the situation. So now the gun goes off, goes through her and into the chest of the, of the director. This is a man who's a father of, of, of many young children

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  that will never for the rest of his life, ever not visualize. He was there, he saw it happen. And this is a mom of an eight-year-old boy at the time and, and, and, and has a husband and she's forever gone. Oh my God. I mean, like, how do you, how do you ever wipe that out of your mind? How do you ever, how do you ever not remember that occurrence? And, and guess what? None of it was his responsibility, none. So now through the suppression of evidence and whatever it is that they, the judge found, it, it's gone finally and he will not be, um, he will not be, he's fully exonerated of any responsibility himself. But, uh, you're not gonna ever be able to take away the memory of that for him.

• 1:21:07Patrick Bet-David?

  It's permanent.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and let me ask you, so you think a part of it is the fact that he just doesn't wanna be around people? Like, I, I don't even know if he goes shopping or buys stuff. There, there was one clip, Rob, where he went to a coffee shop and somebody keeps, uh, harassing him. You, you know what I'm talking about?

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, she's holding the phone at him, tell him.

• 1:21:27Patrick Bet-David?

  This is you, hey, you're, you're, what, what does she say? There's something about like, hey, she keeps saying something, she keeps saying something, she keeps saying something. And then he's just finally kinda like late, is, this is the one, Rob? Was, go ahead and play.

• 1:21:37Speaker 05

  Just say Free Palestine one time.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, Palestine, not even about.

• 1:21:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:21:42Speaker 05

  You kill that lady and got no jail time? No jail time, Alec? No jail time, Alec? You're putting innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin. Free Palestine, Alec, just one time and I'll leave you alone. I'll leave you alone, I swear. Just say Free Palestine one time. One time. One time.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Call the police.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  One time, Alec. You know, you know he's a criminal. You know he's a [BLEEP] criminal.

• 1:22:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You can apply it right there.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  Okay, so, so again, that's the, um, that, that's the video you're watching, the little tiger going like this and bad. And, and does the big tiger ever go, you know, and tear it up and kill it? No. And we've learned over the years that you can provoke him. You can provoke him.

• 1:22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I've seen that many times with him.

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  Photographers, whatever, you know, and so, and so, and the famous case of when they were trying to get the picture of Ireland when she was born and he laid out the photographer who he claims, the, uh, the photographer hit him with the camera out in front of his house. But again, you can provoke him. So I've always been the one that have said, go right back at him and, and say little things and whisper. Let them hit you first and then it, it's green light. If they put their hands on you, you can tear them to shreds. Yeah, but, but he's never, he's never been able to hold out, you know, that, that long.

• 1:23:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I wonder, like, for me, um...

• 1:23:09Patrick Bet-David?

  When he was famous and when he was popular, was he the most popular kid in high school?

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  He was pretty popular, you know, he was very handsome, smart guy, played football, you know.

• 1:23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's popular?

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was popular, for sure.

• 1:23:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He's one of the most popular kids in school?

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Very popular, yes.

• 1:23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, and how did he handle it? Was he an asshole? Was he a jerk?

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:23:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he chill? What was his personality like when he would get the attention?

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  I think you're always struggling to be cool. That was what was... How cool were you? Not how popular. For me, the, uh, um, the light was because of sports. You know, for sure, I was one of the best athletes. I played three sports. I lettered every year. You know, for him, I think he was, uh, um, one of the cool kids. You know, he hung around with the cool crowd and, you know, uh, um, the girls really liked him. He was very, very handsome, so, uh, yeah.

• 1:24:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he naturally cooler than Billy?

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, he was different cool than Billy. Billy was an athlete too, so Billy hung around with all the... Me and Billy hung around with the jockey guys, you know. Um, Alec hung around with some of those guys, but he also had, you know, the, like I said, the cool guys. He was cool. I, I, when I walked around school, I was Alec's brother, Alec Baldwin. You know, that guy who's cool.

• 1:24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And would shit would hit the fan, was he a fight, flight, or freeze guy?

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Um...

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  He would, he would scrap, uh, I would take Billy in a scrap with me before I would take Alec because Billy was such a good wrestler. Billy could handle himself, yeah, don't kid yourself. He was, he was, he was a strong kid, really gifted wrestler, very dedicated, and pretty tough, so...

• 1:24:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I guess what I'm saying with Alec, was Alec the one that said, "Hey, shit, I'm fucking done. I'm done. You know, I'm just out of here. I'm done. I'm gonna go on the... Don't call me, don't talk to me." Was he that guy who was like, "What'd you say?" Or was he like, "Uh, uh, uh, which..."

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  Uh, he might be a little bit, a little bit what you say.

• 1:25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Freeze?

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  He probably...

• 1:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Or flight?

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he'd say what you say. He wouldn't run. He wouldn't run for sure, but I don't know that he was the guy that would... You know, there's different... My father would say, "Once he touches you, do what you gotta do." Once he touches you. And I was the one that went, "There's three of them. I'm knocking the biggest one out now. I'm not waiting for anybody to touch..." Like, I didn't care. So, I don't think he was, he was a combination of maybe a little bit of me and a little bit of more reserved.

• 1:25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. No, the Oms and I asked that question is because for last five years I've been tough with that guy. It's not been an easy five years for him.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, and Trump wins. Are you kidding me? And Trump wins. But I saw him the other, didn't he do a impersonation of Bobby? He did a impersonation of R. F. Kennedy Jr., didn't he? SNL. Yeah, I thought he did something with, if he did, Rob, I don't know if we can show it. Can we show it or no?

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, commentary.

• 1:25:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, if you want to show this, which one is in here?

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  But if Trump wins, he gets four more years on SNL. That's a bad?

• 1:25:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, that's a good thing for him, right? But where is he? Is he coming up?

• 1:26:03Speaker 02

  He comes in.

• 1:26:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's, let's see it. From Congress, because the confirmation process comes at the busiest time of year for me. The holidays? Girls volleyball season. Who is that supposed to be? Matt Gaetz. Anyway, I'll leave you be. You've got another jacked king here to see you, R. F. K. Junior, Bobby.

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• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Hey, I don't mean to interrupt you. I just wanted to tell you again, I'm so honored to be the head of the Health and Human Services. Department Americas needs someone to teach them how to be healthy, someone like me, a 70-year-old man with movie star looks and a worm in his brain. Bobby, I love you. I can't wait to see what you do with this country in terms of health and with regard to measles outbreak. I care deeply about a woman's right to choose, to choose to give her child polio. I just wish people would take my appointment more seriously. All right, I gotta go.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  I got a dead dolphin in my car. I think if I saw it in half and dump it in Central Park, I'll let you know, hey.

• 1:28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  How's the reaction, watching it? How are you processing it?

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  I watched him in his one Academy Award nomination. When I watch these things, it takes me back to when I was a little kid. So he gets nominated for The Cooler. I don't know if you ever saw that movie.

• 1:28:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  But he's wonderful in it, and it's a cool movie. Billy Macy, and so it's a one-time, Alec gets nominated Best Supporting Actor. And so, and I didn't see the movie. It was an indie, it's rare that, you know, a film like that, you know, gets these kinds of nominations, but... So of course now, my brother's nominated for an Oscar, I gotta go see the movie. And I watch it, and I called him and I said, "That's what you got nominated for?" I go, "You got nominated for making fun of the fathers of every Italian kid in our neighborhood." You know, I mean, we've been doing that voice and doing that character for 50 years, and now he gets nominated for an Oscar for that. I got a great story to tell you. What are the odds of this happening? So, did you see the movie Eight Men Out?

• 1:29:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Say that again.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  Eight Men Out.

• 1:29:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Hang on one second.

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Very famous baseball story.

• 1:29:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I have not.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  About the Chicago Blackhawks.

• 1:29:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Charlie Sheen and, uh, yeah, I've not seen it.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  So, um, during the research, John Sales, the director is researching Matewan, the, uh, the mining story, and he sees all this press going back in the clip. He's everything about the Chicago White Sox fix the World Series. So the character is Chick Gandell, who's the first baseman on the, on the White Sox. And he knows from one of the other players that, um, this, they're gonna fix the game. So they're in a bar and he walks up in the bar and he wants to tell some kind of story to let these guys know he'd be in on it without saying so and so told me you're fixing it. So he goes in and he says, you know, hey, bubba bubba, and he tells him this boxing story. And he said, you know, my, my, my, my nose is broke, my eyes shut.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  And there's, I'm stepping on something underneath my feet. It's, it's the other guy's teeth and I'm thinking to myself, bubba, you know, so, bubba, we messed up what I should have done. And I stand up from the table, which is not in the direction. And I say, I hit him a few times, pow, pow. And I say pow, pow, and I throw two lefts. He hits me a few times, pow, pow. And later on we meet and we split the money 50 50 and nobody gets hurt. Now I'm in the waiting room and, you know, Barbara Clayman, one of these, or whoever it was, legendary casting director says, I don't know, he's doing some movie Beetlejuice or some other movie he's doing right now. He's not available, but his brother's out there, looks just like him and he played baseball in high school. Chick Gandell is described as the strongest hands in baseball.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  He's a tough guy. So I'm going, wow, they wanted Alec for this. This is beautiful. Alec can't do it. I play baseball, World Series, let's go. So I go in and I do the audition. She tapes me. They call me back. John Sales would like to meet you. I said, great. I go in, I'm, I'm gonna get this, I'm gonna get this, a big movie. Early in my career, I go in and Sales goes, so obviously you rehearsed this with your brother Alec and, you know, and, and actually we were interested in Alec Ford. So I'm very, and I went, I did not rehearse this with my brother Alec. He went, it's okay that you, you rehearsed it with him. It's obvious that you're. Barbara, could you get Alec Baldwin's tape and bring it in here, please? And they put it in. He stands up and says, pow, pow, and throws two lefts.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  He takes two rights and goes, and later on, we meet and we split the money fifty fifty and nobody gets hurt. And does the exact same three pantomimes that I did that were not in the script. How do you get this guy to believe I did not rehearse that with him? But you know what? That's how similar sometimes it was in that house. That I watched myself do that thing and I thought, he stole my shit. Now I'm not gonna get the money. And I didn't get it. I didn't get it.

• 1:32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  He didn't get it either.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  He was doing something else. He wasn't available. So I thought I was in.

• 1:32:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So the only person that knows the validity of the story is Alec. A hundred percent. It's just you and him.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  If he remembers auditioning for that movie, yeah. Yep. There's been a few of those, though. There's been a few of those where I've watched him do something and I go, I did that and blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, like, or, or, or he did it and then I stole it. You know, I thought it was cool.

• 1:32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he the better actor? Was he the best actor in the family? In your opinion?

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  Hmm, no, I don't, I don't know. How do you say that someone's a better actor? There are certainly things that he does very, very well. He certainly was the more successful theater actor. I mean, he's been on Broadway, he's been, but nah, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in that much in the action films and stuff. I think I beat him in that, in that category. Is there, is there really? I don't, I don't know how you can say better. You know, I'm, I'm not sure you can say that. I remember reading for, really nervous, I was reading for Steven Spielberg for Jurassic Park. And in the waiting room are, you know, some big, big actors, you know, and I'm like, why am I reading for Steven Spielberg? I mean, come on, you know, I mean, this is for the lead to play the paleontologist that Sam eventually got.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  So I go in, a big amblin, you know, huge table. They walk me in and I get to the end, he goes, did you get a chance to read the book? And I've never met Spielberg and he's already a huge legend, right? And I said, yes, sir, I did. I read the book. He said, and I said, I read it twice. And I said, he goes, okay, great. Well, listen, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm very interested. And I've never been thrown in an audition before in my life. Okay?

• 1:33:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Thrown?

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  Thrown, thrown off, off base. You know, like, like, I'm usually ready. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm pretty intense that way. And so he turns around and he said, do you have any questions? And I said,

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  Can I be honest? And he goes, yeah, go ahead. I said, why am I here? I said, you've got, you know, four Oscar nominated actors out there reading for this character. I imagine because of they how old they are. I said, he goes, you did Ned Blessing, His Life and Times, that movie. And I said, yeah. He goes, you played Ned? And I said, yes, I did. And he goes, well, I tried to buy the rights to that movie to make it my next Indiana Jones. I want to do a series of three movies. And Bill Whitliffe, who wrote it, said, no, he wanted to do it as a TV series because he thought there was 50 stories.

• 1:34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's telling you this?

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  This is Spielberg.

• 1:34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  He's telling you this.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Spielberg, I'm sitting in the room to audition for Jurassic Park with him, asking him, why am I reading for this? When, you know, all these giant actors are out there. So he goes, well, so logically, when the TV movie came out, he said, I watched it. He said, and you know what? I think you're going to be the next Gary Cooper. I think your subtleness and the way you portrayed this character was seamless. And because I watched that, I asked them to bring you in because I think you'd be good to play the, now,

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  Steven Spielberg just told me that he thinks I'm going to be the next Gary Cooper. I'd pay for that to be able to, you know, have that in my career. So I'm sitting there and I'm going,

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  he goes, are you ready to read? And I went and I got half a page down and I went, can I stop? I realized I wasn't on, you know, and I said, do you mind, Steven, if I go in the other room and I refocus? I didn't tell them why. And I went in and they brought in, you know, Sam Waterston, or whoever it was, and they eventually got it. Billy was, was one of the guys who, so they said, if it's, if he's 50 and up, it's this guy. If he's 45 to 50, it's this guy. If it's 40 to 50, it's Daniel Bolton. If it's 35, 40, it's Billy Bolton. Billy was up for the same character in the room waiting. So I leave. Of course, I didn't get it. They went with the old, the older actor. But I remember walking out of there thinking to myself, wow, Steven Spielberg noticed my work, you know, he noticed what I did. And something completely

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  different than this. Again, that, that and a dollar fifty to get you on the subway. But, but I remember taking that with me. I remember taking certain things, because you asked the question of who's the better actor? You know, I mean, I, I've never won a big major award in acting, but I've won a lot of film festivals and I think, but I'll say this. I'm proud to be able to say that I've worked my entire career. That I always still have another movie coming out. I've directed movies which none of my brothers have done. I've written several movies which none of them, well, I guess they've rewritten, but I don't know if they've written any and certainly none of them ever directed. I've even directed all of my brothers in films. And I've also done documentaries which none of them have done, that they actually wrote them, directed them.

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  And I did one that I'll turn you on to, you gotta watch it.

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  How competitive are you guys as brothers? Like, is it a super competitive environment?

• 1:36:47Speaker 02

  It is, but I think that when you're talking about the acting thing, how do you not acknowledge that Alec is, you know, he's the biggest star, you know? There's no kinda, well, you know, there was that commercial I did that, you know? I mean, he's a big movie star, you know? So I never got to be a big movie star, but I've gotten to be a very successful character working actor. And what I found is that my niche is probably in directing. It's probably that I'm a pretty good director.

• 1:37:17Patrick Bet-David?

  How often do people say, hey, what's up, Alec? How often?

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:37:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it like, is it every day?

• 1:37:24Speaker 02

  Nah, we're not as famous as we used to be, you know? I mean, it used to be we walked around and everyone, you know, would say, hey, and then the paparazzi would take your picture. Now I welcome to people and they go, yeah, it's a black Mercedes, pull it up front. No idea who I am. But, you know, it's funny, because someone said to me, they were taking a picture in the airport, this is not that long ago. And the mother goes, you know, Gail, take a picture of daddy and I with Mr. Baldwin. And, you know, you do the pose and then she said, Gail, don't you want your picture? She went, no, and I went, and she said, and she went, Mom? And I went, you wanna see me make your daughter wanna have her picture taken with me? And she looked at me and she went, yeah. And the father went, I bet you you can. I said, you wanna bet? I said, Hailey Bieber, Justin Bieber's wife is my niece.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  And she turned around and she went, you're related to Hailey? Jumping up and down, going crazy, and I thought that was funny. I've been reduced now to being Hailey's uncle, you know? That's where I am.

• 1:38:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a big deal. It's a big deal now.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  She's a, she and he are monstrous, monstrously big, for sure. For sure, but no, I don't, I don't, I've never disillusioned myself to say they're saying Harrison Ford, Alec Baldwin, you know, Clint Eastwood, or Daniel Baldwin. Those conversations didn't ever take place. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay.

• 1:38:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Was there ever a story about Alec was supposed to play The Fugitive instead of Tommy Lee Jones? Is there a story with that? Or I don't know why.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  There, there was a story. Well, actually, you know, Harrison Ford should have just wrote Alec a check, you know, because he, there was not just The Fugitive, but there was another, oh, Hunt for October. So Alec did Hunt for October, which was the Clancy series. And then because he had, he had promised that he would do this play. And he said, can you guys wait for me? They used that, I think it was Mace Newfield, turned around and said, you know, yeah, you're gone. And they hired Harrison, which he ended up doing two or three more of those. Then The Fugitive, I believe the story was that Alec had the, the rights to it. And he had the rights to the TV series, the, I think it was David Jensen, was it? He had, he had the rights to the series. And then when he let that expire,

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Harrison and his guys grabbed it and then, and developed the rest of it into the movie that, you know, again, was very, very successful. So there's a couple of big breaks that Harrison Ford got that he owes to Alec, or at least indirectly.

• 1:39:42Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you know though? Right? Like, how do you know when? I don't know if that movie's gonna do good or not. How, how do you know? Like, do you, is there a way of knowing? You're not gonna know it's a crapshoot, right? Like.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  When do you know? You know, I mean, I mean, I'm in, shooting two movies, East Coast and West Coast. And I'm in Delaware, shooting Broadway Brawler, a hockey movie with Bruce Willis, when Bruce was absolutely like one of the biggest, Die Hard, all of it. And I'm shooting this movie and I'm like, okay. And I'm like, the, the girlfriend's brother, his best friend, I'm in this movie a lot. And I'm like, here we go. You know, we're, we're, we're on the A-game movie-wise now with a lead. And then whatever happened to him personally, some stuff went down that suddenly the movie got shut down. Then we went back, then it got shut down again, and it never got finished. And I thought, what causes that? What causes Ishtar to have, you know?

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  The actors that it had in it and then bomb at the box office because of a snowstorm on the east coast when it opened that weekend. I mean, is there really any way to know? There's no way to know. You can put together the biggest names in Hollywood. And if you look at which names and you look at the movies they did in the last 10 years, there's nine movies that Wahlberg did that no one's ever seen. You know, I mean, they just shelved them and they and they and they released them on Straight to Video. Straight to Video has changed the business so much. So many channels are available for you to watch the material that's on, that it's diluted the quality. I mean, you could make all kinds of stuff now. I mean, in the horror genre, you put four kids going camping together in a camera with some blood, and someone's gonna watch that. It's a huge genre for kids. And

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  they make these movies for, you know, micro, but under a hundred thousand. And they do well. I mean, so what's well if you make it for a hundred thousand? If it makes $500,000 over the course of three years, you five times your money, it's 5X. That's a successful film.

• 1:41:31Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure. For sure. What a what a low budget. I remember one time, I'm in LA, my wife buys me a gift, a one hour session with Aaron Spicer. He's an acting coach, you know, for, you know, Will Smith, J Lo, some of these guys. And I'm like, hey, man, I have some interest in acting. He says, how do you do with downtime? I said, what do you mean? He says, what happens when you're not working? I said, no, my mind needs to, I need to work always. He says, well, you know, this just may not be the business for you. And so why? He says, because 90% of the time, you're not working. 80, 90% of the time, you're not working. And when you're working, you're working. But you're not working most of the time. And what are you gonna do during that season? How tough is it as

• 1:42:14Patrick Bet-David?

  an actor, you know, to learn to keep yourself occupied during the downtime so you don't pick up bad habits?

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• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  For me, it wasn't, well, I shouldn't say totally wasn't the downtime, but I think for me, the harder part was the Len Bias. Remember Len Bias? Len Bias was the basketball player for University of Maryland.

• 1:43:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  The Celtics drafted him.

• 1:43:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  They gave him a $500,000 signing bonus and he ODs.

• 1:43:41Patrick Bet-David?

  There was a documentary on it, right, where he did cocaine or something happened? I remember this, yeah.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Yes. So for me, it was being the son of a schoolteacher and then being handed that kind of money. My agent, Karan, her name was, and I'm driving a convertible down, you know, Wilshire Boulevard, down by the water there, by, you know, where Wilshire meets ocean. And she calls up and she goes, hey, this is back when cell phones were in a box this big. Remember?

• 1:44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, the $2,000, yeah.

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Right. So she calls up and she said, well, look, guess what? They want you to test for the TV show with Valerie Bertinelli, America's sweetheart, Valerie Bertinelli, married to Eddie Van Halen, and she's doing this new show called Sydney. It was me, Matthew Perry, Craig Bierko, Barney Martin, Valerie Bertinelli, blah, blah. So Rebecca Bush, a nice cast, in a sitcom. So I said, okay. And she said, so look, I've got them at 15,000 now. She said, but I think I can get, you know, I'm going to count her at 20, and I think I'll get somewhere around 17.5. And you would go to work, you know, if you get it, it works next week. And I said, okay, well, hang on a second. So that's

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  how many episodes? And she said 13. And I said, okay. So that's over $1,000 a week at 15,000. I go, we're not going to lose to 15 if you count it. And she starts laughing. And I said, why are you laughing? And she went, no, honey, it's $15,000 an episode. And I remember I had to pull my car over. My father made twenty two thousand dollars a year. I had no idea what we were dealing with. And so she said, no, honey, it's no, I'm just trying to get seventeen thousand five hundred times thirteen. I went seventeen thousand. I'm like, they're gonna pay me that to go up there and go, hey, baby. You know, I was like the stupid bar guy, you know? And I thought, really? And and I got it and they paid seventeen five, whatever it was to start the first season.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  And I just thought, wow, that that like the the perspective of it is so insane. You know, I mean, I I sat there and I said seven to ten lines a show. I was the funny guy in the corner. And the rest was history, you know? I never stopped working since then, but I just I'll never forget having that moment of going seventeen thousand five hundred dollars a week. And this is in eighty eight or something like that, you know?

• 1:46:01Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a lot of money. I mean, for the average person, it's a lot of money today, but eighty eight, it's a lot of money.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a lot of money. Yeah, and and I can't I'm thinking, but the same thing will be true of the why I make movies myself now. Because I'd be sitting across from the guy, whoever he was, the the producer of the movie, the exec, the guy who owns the the negative. And he'd say to me, and they're paying me, you know, whatever, six figures, low, middle, whatever, depending upon where I am in my career. And I'd say, what does this guy know about acting, about writing, about directing? He knows nothing, very little, nothing that I don't know by now, after thirty, forty films into it. And I've done over one hundred and fifty movies. So I'm I'm looking at this guy going, why am I doing this for him for two hundred grand? When I could make it myself? Because if he's paying me too, what's he making by the time he pays everybody? He's got to be making five million dollars at least or more.

• 1:46:51Speaker 02

  Why don't I do this myself? Now, it's not like I made that many movies that sold for so much money. But certainly, there's a lot more money involved when you own it than when you work for somebody else. And I'd much rather do a cool indie film. Again, if you're thinking about calling me and you want the Trump guy, then call me up and I'll go be in your big, your big feature film. But because of my stance politically, I don't think I'm in any of those conversations, even in smaller parts now, they, they don't want anything to do with me.

• 1:47:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So how do you make money today? What's your method?

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  I make, I make movies myself. And I'm about to come to Value Net with my, my podcast.

• 1:47:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, are you really?

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Value, no, I was just throwing that out there. So I could walk out and say, what are you kidding me? Patrick said. Yeah, no, my, I was, I was an ESPN analyst on, in a, in a show with them, a podcast with them. And then before that, I was on Best Dan Sports Show period for Fox.

• 1:47:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I think the story you were going to with that time, when you went to the story, you were saying to Valerie Bertinelli is when I asked you on the downtime, where were you going to go with the downtime?

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:47:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you going to make a point about when you did have downtime, what it was like?

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes. So, so I think what was more important was when I brought up the, the story about the money was, what do you do when someone lend biases you and drops off, you know, 200 grand, 300? I never had money like that. I had no idea what it was like to have that kind of money. Now, you're on the list, in the downtime, you're in the club, and there's everybody, every face, you're at Cher's house at a party, you're, because you're on TV. And suddenly I had access to things that were ridiculous. Now, again, I'm not a sheen, I'm not a karateen, I'm not one of these famous people from famous families that they've been parading these people in front of me my whole life. This is all new to me. And when you're 29, and you're making a half a million dollars a year from a family that made $22,000 a year, and your brother's really famous too, and your other brothers are coming

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  up and blah, blah, and you're all now, when you become part of pop culture, when, when in the movie Clueless, they say, he's a Baldwin. Or when they say, uh, uh, you know, South Park says, we need to entice the United States into a war. We must hit them where it hurts them most. I know, we'll bomb the Baldwin Brothers Bel Air complex and the jets fly over and drop nuclear bombs to entice the US to get, and, and again, so my agent calls me up and goes, you gotta go see South Park. I'm like, South Park, the, the movie, South Park? Yeah, you got, I don't watch the series, I'm on it. You need to go see, so of course I put the baseball cap on, I go into the theater, I watch, I get the joke, you know, but, but again, when you, when you're part of that kind of, you know, we had a run, we had a nice run there for 15 years.

• 1:49:20Patrick Bet-David?

  How long did it last?

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  15 years? Yeah, I'd say something like that.

• 1:49:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this it? Is this the Baldwin?

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  Here it is.

• 1:49:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if we can show this one. Okay, this one's gonna come back. Yeah, so that's pretty, but fifteen year run. So you fifteen years, it's a party and what was was it like as crazy and intense that you would imagine it to be? Was it pretty wild?

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean,

• 1:49:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Cher's house, all these, you know,

• 1:49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, you know, you walk into China Club and they've got, you know, armed guys walking you in up to the VIP. They walk up to people who have all kinds of money, they've been spending my move, you know, and they move them off the table and you're just sitting there like this, smiling at the guy, at his wife, at his girlfriend going, you can stay, you gotta go. You know, I mean, it was, it was surreal, you know, I mean, so

• 1:50:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the wildest guy you met? Where you're like, damn, I was just invited to this person's party. Who was?

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  You know, I, I would always say, if I write the book, right? If I write the book, now you tell me this, you've obviously probably know this more than I would. If I write the book and I say, so I go to the door in the hotel and I open the door and there's so and so, and I name him. His name is Charlie. So I go to the door and I say, and Charlie is waiting me with, you know, the two girls and blah, and we end up going in the room and it's, it's on for three straight days. No one sleeps, blah, blah. Now, if I don't say the guy's name, and I say, and so another A-list actor or another guy or another, does that book sell the way it is if I say the guy's name?

• 1:50:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  Of course not.

• 1:50:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  So if I write my story, the names, this is kind of like, you know, not Epstein kind of stuff or P Diddy, but the wild, you know, two girls and three guys and the stuff that I saw, you know, when I'd be at someone's house. It wasn't anything illegal, besides maybe some of the, the paraphernalia that was being used, uh, drug wise, but, you know, I saw some wild stuff like, and I was pretty naive to it. Cause I, you know, do you want to be with Angela and so and so? And I go, no, why would I want to be more than one? I might, I only have two hands, you know, and so, you know, I never, I never did any of that. I, you know, I, I, I never, you know, did that, that kind of, you know, kind of freaky or wild stuff, you know, but I definitely, you know, put myself in, in, um,

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  Situations that were high risk because of, uh, um, you know, look at Charlie now, you know, Charlie Sheen, you know, Charlie's, you know, has AIDS and I think he's doing well, but you know, um, I definitely hung around with that crew, you know, a lot of those guys in the late eighties and early nineties and, you know, a lot of big NBA basketball players that I went to parties at their homes and, you know, where it was on, you know, it was wild.

• 1:52:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I remember one time Magic told a story, have you seen that Magic interview where he's doing? He says, so what was it like? Says, yeah, I mean, 10, 12, 14 girls at a time.

• 1:52:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen that interview?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that interview, but I've been to parties where you went into the hot tub and they just had all had their clothes off and you could, it was Babylonian, I called it, you know, when, when you look at the, the stuff that they depicted that happened in Babylon and everything. I, fortunately for me, that just never did anything for me.

• 1:52:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  No, it never, it never really did anything for me. Now, was I ever with, you know, uh, uh, one woman at a time? I never, never strayed the heterosexual line, you know, but I definitely was with women I didn't know very well, you know, and, and, and was in situations that I'm not proud of now.

• 1:52:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and I stayed in the interview. Obviously, we're not going to watch it. It's 18 minutes, but I've seen that interview. No, I mean, look, I, I lived in LA 26 years. When I got out of the army and I'm 21, it was just, you know, but you, when you're, when you're a celebrity in movies, in the eighties, in LA, you're going to all the main clubs, nightlife, the insanity, I, I can only imagine, um, the stories. But, uh, last question on Alec before we wrap up here.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 1:53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You're, you said after your mom, he said, I'm gonna go on a blackout and I'm just kinda gonna be to myself, right? He said that to you. How much of it you think is mom from two years ago? And how much of it do you think it's? You know, what happened with the, the event that happened in New Mexico, the movie, we're just like, dude, I've had so much, I'm done. I just, I'm going away from everybody. Which one do you think influenced it more?

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:53:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, mom is tough when that happens.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  And I throw into that category, our history. He and I have definitely butted heads a, a number of times. I thought we were, we were through that, you know, uh, I thought we had definitely come, we were the closest we've been for, four years or so ago, uh, for a good five-year run, you know, we were as close as we've been in, in a long, long, long.

• 1:54:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is a time where he knows you're a Trump guy. So it's not like you're not a Trump guy and you guys are still close.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I think the thing about the Trump guy thing was, he had a run with Stephen that wasn't very favorable because Stephen came out of the closet about Trump and, and backed him, which is what my problem with Stephen was this time because he suddenly wasn't involved in politics when it was going to be close, you know, and I, and I thought this was the time to, if you're going to talk about what you believe as Christian and you're gonna, but for his own reasons, he decided that he was not going to be involved in politics this, this time out. Um, I, on the other hand, came out hard. I mean, if you go back, I'll send you some stuff, you know, where I just come right out and I go, yeah, we elect this woman and we're gonna lose it all.

• 1:54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I remember TMZ, 2016, when she lost, you're like, you lost, what do you want to do? Go, go, be about your business, you lost and move on.

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, so I, I, I just, I think that I came out harder this time and it offended people that really wanted her. But you know, you're gonna lose sometimes, you're gonna win. Dust off, get up and, and what are you gonna do about it? Uh, you know, when you look at Hillary when she lost, I know a number of people, including family members, that didn't ever think she was gonna, that he was gonna win. They just didn't think he could do it. So they didn't do everything they did for other, other, uh, people that were running before and other campaigns. They, they weren't as vehement in their backing and their financial, you know, situations and so on, because they just didn't think he could do it, and he did. So this time, I think they knew he was the threat and they just lost. I mean, look at the number of people that, in the overall vote too.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  This wasn't just Electoral College. America spoke and each one of those states to lose. They did not want her and I love listening to people saying that the reason why is because she was a woman. And that that's the big factor. And I think, I don't think so. I think it's because they didn't believe her. I don't think that they, I think the American people, particularly men, did not trust that she was qualified to be president. Based on her performance as vice president and this current administration.

• 1:56:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Hillary was 10 times more qualified, not likable. I think Kamala was not qualified and not likable and not a talent. She's probably the worst candidate they've ever put up. Josh Shapiro would have stood a better chance than she did. So would have Newsom. And even AOC would have done better than she did and AOC is semi socialist. So Kamala was a horrible candidate.

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was, she was a bad choice. But and you know, you know what's really interesting is to look at, I've looked at now. Who the frontrunners in 28 are going to be. And they actually are saying the Democrats, she's the frontrunner, number one. And I thought, what's she gonna do to stay viable? Is she gonna write a book? She going on tour? She going back to the Senate? I mean, can she go back to the Senate?

• 1:56:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if she can. They're trying to get her a different job. Right now she's doing the $200,000 keynotes. You know, to kind of get some money there and. Uh, who said it best that they said he tried, she tried to be like Obama and she's not. Who was the one, the? Former Democratic major donor, right? That said.

• 1:56:58Speaker 04

  John Morgan from Morgan and Morgan.

• 1:57:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. And he's like.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I know John.

• 1:57:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not Kamala. You're not Obama. Stop trying to be Obama. Did you see the Jane Fonda podcast with Bill Maher?

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  When she was talking about getting older and that she's old now. But yeah, I saw that.

• 1:57:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see when they talked about California and politics and all that stuff going back and forth?

• 1:57:16Speaker 02

  I didn't see that part.

• 1:57:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't see that part. I think it's worth for you to watch because. I thought Bill did actually a very good job with the interview and I actually thought Jane was. Being honest. Where she's kind of like, yeah, I don't think that's, you think it is, maybe it is, maybe I don't watch any. News on the, maybe I only watch CNN, maybe I'll, and she was actually kind of going through having her own. I think you'd benefit from watching it because you know, her background being where she was at before. Uh, in, uh, in, uh, what do you call it? In, um. You know, in Hollywood, but it'd be interesting. I I I thought it was good watching what Bill is doing. And Bill is a guy that's a Democrat. He voted for Kamala. He doesn't think she's a good candidate. He's not gonna vote for Trump. He's not a Trump guy.

• 1:57:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But at least Bill will have moments where you're like, okay, cool. You know, he's he's reasoning and he's kind of going through himself. He sounds more like a reasonable Democrat than what they're putting up there right now.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Here's where my my my real problem with it is. I believe that America has spoken. This guy's the president. And I said early on, and this included Trump. I know Donald. I've worked for Donald. I've met Donald. I've spent time with him, blah, blah, blah. He's donated to my mother's breast cancer fund multiple times. Stephen did The Apprentice, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do I like every single thing about any candidate? No, about their personality, about, but he's won now. So since he's won, can we not figure out a way? This is Nixon again now. You know, this is, can we not figure out a way to work together to move forward? Again, it might not be your exact platform.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  But aren't there some common things that we could reach across the aisle to agree on? That like lowering groceries, you know, security in in our cities and blah. And it's this stuff that are no brainers. And it seems like every single thing he brings up is gonna be met with this force of, you know, and and I remember, I remember listening to Rosie. Now, I know Rosie O'Donnell all the way back to the first movie she ever did. And Rosie just hates Trump. You know, they they they don't like each other. It's very well known. They talk terrible things about each other right on camera. But even she, when Biden did that debate, she turned around. She said, get him out. You know, she she was all over getting him out of there right away. And she was a Biden person.

• 1:59:39Speaker 02

  Why would we not all look at, are these the two best people that we had? These were the two best people, the most talented people that we had in the Republican and Democratic Party to run for president? Of the most powerful nation, the most powerful economy, the most, one of the most powerful in any one of those categories, war machine, blah blah, military. These two, Kamala Harris and even Donald Trump. Donald Trump is getting up there in years. I think he looks at things differently. I'm a supporter, by far. I'm certainly a huge supporter versus her. But they're the most talented. So do we get a fresh injection after this events? Is he, is he the guy that goes?

• 2:00:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, are you familiar with the chart about competency versus confidence? Where, you know, IQ is rarely a reflection of those who lead big enterprises or the country. It's rarely IQ. It's confidence. You know, we, we give way too much credit to competency. Competency doesn't necessarily mean that you're confident enough to deliver the message to an audience to get, you know, have conviction behind it and persuade others to say, you're my guy, right? So it takes a confident person to go up and run. I think where he's at right now, and with all the issues that we have going on, for you to overcome all the challenges last 12 months to be up there, you know, DeSantis has been here, Trump was here two months ago, a month ago.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, you know, we've had a lot of the candidates that are here, as smart and competent as DeSantis is as a governor, is not a president. To be president, you need confidence. And that confidence and the swagger, which by the way, partly I watch Alec, I'm like, is there a part in Alec that thinks, he's a motherfucker, I could have been the president. I could have been the fricking president. You have no clue, and I would have fricking crushed it. Let me tell you who I would have been if I would have been president. And, and I think certain things in your life, you can't even talk to your wife about. It's you versus you. Maybe your siblings know about it. Cause they go back and say, I remember when we were nine years old, how dad talked to us. I remember when we were 12 years old, that one time when dad walked us outside and such and such was going on. So watch this video on Walter Cronkite. Remember that one night? You'll remember it. He'll remember it, right?

• 2:01:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I wonder sometimes if it's kind of like, maybe it's not even envy. It's just a spirit of competition to say, dude, if that motherfucker is you, you know, I could have been one myself.

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  If I had had, you mentioned about your acting and taking lessons in Los Angeles. If I could have sat for six sessions with Hillary Clinton, she'd be president of the United States now. She needed an acting lesson. She needed to learn how to hold back, how to smile a little bit more, how to deliver like an anchor person, you know, I mean, she needed those kinds of lessons, how to be, even if she wasn't the things that I was trying to teach her to be, she needed to learn how to act like it. Because she was very unapproachable, uh, she had a very condescending, she should have, every time Trump sent something to her in those, she should have gone. And just a little, but not the, you know, in the faces and all, and that, it made her unattractive.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  She's a woman, be attractive, be attractive to people, make them want to vote for you. You're right about the confidence thing. I never looked at her and felt like I could relate to her. I didn't. Now, Bill Clinton was a genius. He was a genius.

• 2:03:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Till today, by the way.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  So I, I turned around and, uh, I'm, I'm dating before I was married. I'm with, um, another significant other and we go to the roast for Alec on Spike TV. And she goes, I mean, she's got the, the, uh, the big Bill Clinton book on her, on her table. She's a huge Clinton fan. You can see she's wriggling to meet him. So Bill comes out and he does his piece on Alec and me and Billy, you know, De Niro, all these other people.

• 2:03:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Five years ago.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, make fun of Alec. And so we get done and there's the Secret Service guys off in the wing and there's Clinton. And I woke up and I say, Mr. President, nice to meet you. I said, my friend would love to meet you. And she walks right up to him and she goes, I'm his better half. And Bill turns around and takes a step back and he goes, looks her right up and down. Well, I can see that.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  And he says it right to her, but he didn't do it gross. He did it, you know, he was Bill Clinton. It was charming, it was complimentary, it was a little sexual. And that's, you liked him, he was engaging, he was, she was never engaging to me.

• 2:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I was in Hope, Arkansas for my father-in-law's funeral. He passed away. This is 2000, this is October of 2015, give or take. And we go there and we're driving up. While I'm there, we go to this funeral home called Brazil, the Brazil funeral home. But it's like B R A S I L L E E, something like that. So the owner comes out, I'm paying the bill for, you know, the ceremony and everything. I said, let me ask you a question, how do you guys feel about Bill Clinton here locally? Is it true that he is a playboy? He says, oh yeah, for sure he is. Can you go to images? That's exactly the one, Brazil. Okay, there you go, O'Chris Funeral Home. Can you zoom into the images just to kind of see the images part?

• 2:04:49Patrick Bet-David?

  The, uh, no, the other one, Rob, that's exactly the one. Just go to top and type in images, Rob. Just write, yeah, write their images. Uh, yeah, that's the one, right there, that's the one. So we're at this place and I say, is it true that Bill Clinton was a playboy? Oh, yeah. Is it true that he would like, you know, flirt and be whoever he was sleeping around? Absolutely. Did you locally, did you guys have a problem with that? That he was like? Not at all. I said, why don't you have a problem with that? Says, you ever met her wife? I said, no. Says, she is the meanest person we've ever met in our lives. He says, we're Republicans. He says, we're Republicans. He says, but we loved him.

• 2:05:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He was great. Her, we couldn't stand her. She was rude to all of us, all the time. And one time, I think like his uncle died or something and, you know, he was there reading the eulogy and Joey, not Joey Behar, Bette Midler, is that the singer? Bette Midler's there and they're about to go. And it's like, you, you, you know, I'm going back to fucking the, not gonna stay here with everybody. You go out there with your friend and do whatever you need to do. And it's like, oh, okay, no problem. He goes and then she goes back home. But you know, it's these types of stories that comes out when you learn about the charming, you know, the charm. To become a president, you, you have to have your own element and of charming charisma. I just wonder if your brother, sister and says, I could have been a president myself and that, that is.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  I think he still could.

• 2:06:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  Well, I think he still could and he's had some, some stuff happen that have been real blows to the ability for him to do that. But I think if he started with a senate seat, I think if he ran in New York where he's very, very popular. Um, and I think that if he could get the, uh, um, agreement with his wife to let him pursue that. He's, you know, sixty-five, sixty-six now.

• 2:06:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he likes people?

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  Yes, I think he, I think he cares. I think his scope politically is narrow. It's, it's, it's very, you know, focused on what, on, on that group, on the Democrats and. But again, you know, I, I think he still could. But he wouldn't get to presidency for at least, you know, eight or more years, which I've, I've been looking at the clock, how old he is. But nowadays you can run at seventy-eight, you know, I mean seventy-nine.

• 2:07:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, uh, I gotta tell you, you know, when, when we sit down, we go through the guest tab on a podcast and say, how about this guy? And I have my own list and they come up, okay, here's what we're thinking. Baldwin's? Yeah. I mean, yeah, for sure. Let's, guys, I have no idea where we're gonna go with this. And it's like, damn, that was so, and then you leave, you have the conversation. What a freaking great conversation I had. And then from there to now, you sitting down with the conversation with you. I've enjoyed learning about the family. I got two boys. And, uh, my affinity with these types of stories is how do you keep everybody together later on when you're no longer here? Your father, you know, passed away at fifty-five years old and your mother two years ago.

• 2:07:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And, you know, seeing the, the fragmented relationships now where, you know, everybody's kind of to himself. How do you as a parent make sure, keep everybody together when you're no longer here? It's not an easy task. It's very hard to do, to be able to do that. And stories either inspires you to kind of think about it and say, well, just make sure when later on this is going on, you think about this. But, um, It's definitely very interesting, to say the least, to hear the stories, both from your point of view as well as Stevens when he was here two and a half months ago.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  I think, I think a key, you know, my wife knows this. My wife will say, it's God, it's us, and then the kids. And, and, and we have to be at the top of that. Um, you know, and I, and I, I used to look at that and go, the kids don't come before. No, we come, and she's right. And I'll tell you why. If my father looked at where things were now, I think he'd be disappointed in some of it. I think he would. I think there were times, I remember when Billy, Billy was working at summer school and he, um, he was, you know, would walk around and patrol the bike racks, you know, and, and, and so that, cause kids were all rode their bicycles and there was an epidemic of bikes being stolen. So they hired two boys to walk around this massive complex.

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  And some kid, they were robbing bikes and they, um, they grabbed Billy and they got him in a corner and they roughed him up some. And I remember, and I was like.

• 2:09:10Patrick Bet-David?

  How old is Billy? How, how old is he?

• 2:09:12Speaker 02

  Billy's gotta be, I guess I'm like 13 or 14, so Billy's like 11 or 12.

• 2:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Has he started wrestling yet or not yet?

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's wrestled, but these were like senior in high school kids. And so, and I was an inordinately big kid at 14, I was six foot, one and 90, you know.

• 2:09:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you guys have a reputation as brothers? Like, don't mess with the Baldwin brothers or not yet?

• 2:09:30Speaker 02

  I definitely have a reputation of don't mess with me. And so, and so I remember, my father just gave me the, Billy came home, he was blackened up a little bit, and my father went, take care of it tomorrow. That's all he said. Take care of it tomorrow. And of course I found the kid and just beat the crap out of him and made an example of him to everybody else, loud yelling while I'm cracking him. And it wouldn't have mattered what Billy did. I can't tell you, you ask Steven next time you see him, how many times I heard this. Now Steven graduated, let's see, he's six years, so I graduated in 79, so in 85, I think Steven graduated. The summer of 85.

• 2:10:07Speaker 02

  I cannot tell you how many times I'm, you know, in a bar or in a place and someone taps me on the shoulder, you know, turns me around and goes, you Steven Baldwin's brother? And I knew right away. Steven shot his mouth off. He said, my brother Danny will kick your ass, shut your mouth, you know, or talk to the guy's girlfriend. And Steven would get me in fights. That summer, no, I kid you not. That summer, that summer I got, I got in seven fights. Like big motorcycle looking guys going outside. I'm like, here we go, you know? And so as I'm walking and I'm looking which one I'm gonna drop first and how it's gonna go? Do I need to call guys up? Is there nine of them? You Steven Baldwin's brother? Let's go. You know, and Steven, again, laughing his ass off. He didn't get hit. Nothing. Hey, wasn't even there. And I, and I had to pay. But he was my brother. It wouldn't really

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  a matter what happened. If I thought Steven was gonna take the shot from this guy, I was gonna drop the guy for sure. That mentality is something my father instilled in us, for sure. Ask questions later. Go ahead and beat your brother up afterwards. But you make sure your brother's okay and you make sure you're back. You got, same as New Mexico, same as anything in the press. It wouldn't matter what happened. He's my brother. You know, this is my sister. My sister and I, my older sister and I, don't talk that much anymore. I talk with my younger sister more than her. But if anything ever happened with one of her kids, or anything ever happened to one of the grandkids, I'd be on a plane. You know, that would be it. You know, you wouldn't have to ask anything else. It's my sister. So I think some of that blind unity and blind faith has been lost over the years. And I

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  get that you have children, you know, you have your own family that you have to look out for priority wise. I understand that. But not when it really comes down to it. If it really comes down to it, you gotta back each other up. I don't know, you can teach that. I'm not sure you can teach it. I think either you, you hear about it, you live it for a while, and then you, it's who you are, or it's not?

• 2:11:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, my, my dad's, I told this story two months ago. My dad's sister died two months ago. And one thing about my dad and his four total siblings, he's the oldest son, his sister was the oldest, and his two younger sons, brothers. So never once, never once, Danny, Daniel, did they throw each other under the bus. Never once. They always got along. It's like our house was always, we were always happy. We were always, everybody was, we were always happy. Not the same on the other side of the family. But these guys were relentlessly united on the way they did it.

• 2:12:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not easy to do because it's ambition, it's competition, and nobody did anything big with their lives. So it's not like it was a super competitive family where one is outdoing the other. No, and my dad was a cashier at a 99 cent store. My aunt, you know, in, in, ended up working at the embassy in Iran. If you've ever seen the movie Argo, and when they came and they shut down the embassy in Iran, he, she was in there. She ended up marrying a marina, moved to Chicago. My, uh, my, uh, uncle, youngest brother of his, youngest uncle, he was the smartest guy, never got anything done. He was 70% Johnny. He would always finish the project 70%, leave 30%, go to the next thing. And the next thing, never finished, always started it.

• 2:13:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And then the other one was a great poker card player who worked for Paycon, a car, you know, company in Iran who knew every single auto parts number, but he was a sarcastic SOB and funny as hell. Yogi Berra type of funny. Not the kind of funny like you think like, you know, but a different kind of funny.

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:38Patrick Bet-David?

  These guys had each other's back and it was a, it was very interesting to see, no matter what anybody has ever said, he kept a great relationship with me, my dad did. But he also kept a very good relationship with his siblings. What, I've never seen that. I've never seen that. And, and I wonder if a part of it was the sacrifice comes at nobody accomplishing anything massive together because there is no competition? Or does it come because it's not driven based on ambition? Like which of you guys gonna do this first? You know, like the Kennedys, who's gonna be a president first? Who's gonna do this first? That's steering the paddle a little bit. Does that create a bit of friction between the siblings? Who knows?

• 2:14:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But to me, as somebody like, um, the other day, going back to what your wife said to you, um, my son, Jennifer's like, hey babe, you know, such and such was a little bit disrespectful. I said, what, how was he, here's what he said. Huh, alright. And this was like the third time in two days and I like it. I went and picked him up and I said, let's go for a drive. We're driving. I say, can I ask you a question? Yeah. What makes you think you can talk to your mother that way? Ba ba ba ba ba. I said, do you realize she's your mother, but she's my wife? You disrespect my wife one more time, we're gonna have a problem. And he looked at me in the weirdest way.

• 2:15:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Was like, damn, I disrespected his wife.

• 2:15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  And he was kinda like,

• 2:15:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I never thought about it that way before.

• 2:15:15Patrick Bet-David?

  She is your wife first. I said, she's my wife. I said, a stranger disrespects my wife. You know what I would do to them? I said, you're lucky you're my son, but don't you ever disrespect my wife.

• 2:15:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So you understand me? He said, yes. I said, are we good? Yes. When we get home, you go talk to your mother. But when it comes down to my wife, never cross the line again. I totally got it. You know, those moments that we have, you had with your pops, you had with your mom. Hey, go say hi, take the picture with them. It doesn't take any more energy to be nice, those small little lines, right, of how you build those values. I know, at the end of the day, as a guy that's got four kids, myself, I think you got six, right? If I'm not mistaken, right, you're at six and your parents at six as well, so you have the same amount that they did. You wanna see, you wanna see the siblings come together, especially with the history that you guys got. There's certain last names that have names, like, we don't have to agree politically. I don't have to sit there and say, I'm a frickin' Alec Baldwin fan.

• 2:16:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm a fan of seeing the family come together. I, I don't have a lot of, uh, uh, things that I agree with on Andrew Cuomo politically. Uh, you know, Chris Cuomo, maybe a couple of things we sit there and talk about, you know what? Family wise,

• 2:16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Mario, your father played a big role. I love how close these two brothers are to each other. I don't have to agree with you politically, I just wanna see that part, family wise. But anyways, brother, I really enjoyed this. This was fantastic, truly. I appreciate you coming on. And I'm sure when this comes out, Steven's gonna text me. Let me tell you, it's gonna be funny just going through that process.

• 2:16:45Speaker 02

  I'm already gonna get it from all of them. This may be the first time I hear from any of my brothers because of this.

• 2:16:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if that happens, man, I'd love to see that for you guys. You guys independently, you guys do your own thing together. That's what matters because family's important. We're aging. I look at my hands. I'm like, I'm 46 now. Just yesterday, I was 21. I'm 40. This didn't look like this 25 years ago. It's going like this, like this. It's going, bro. It's not even a zero sympathy for it. No matter how nice we are, you're aging.

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  We went with the, uh, my wife's family to Myrtle Beach for Thanksgiving. I bought my two daughters, my son, my wife, and saw her dad's side and her sister and everything. And so their, their one brother, Juco, basketball player. And he said, yeah, we're gonna go. I went, let's go. Let's go hoop. So I get out there with this kid and some of their friends and everything. And, boy, 64. And so we ended up playing king in his court at the end. Winner is the king. And of course, two three pointers at the very end, and I win. And so I get to walk out amongst these 25, 22, 19-year-old basketball players and say, I'm the king. The next day, I could barely stand up. No, no, no, I mean, there was, there was literally moments where I like, I went,

• 2:17:55Speaker 02

  I knew I was gonna hurt myself, and I dove at the ball. I couldn't move. My wife's laughing at me going.

• 2:18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You had to go prove your point. The pride of competition. No, I get it. But listen, again, if it happens, fantastic, you know. I'd be more than happy to see the picture of all you guys posting together, spending time together. Family's very important. Anyways, my man, really enjoyed. Appreciate you, brother. Yes. God bless. Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye. You're gonna think I'm crazy when I tell you this, but the last 13 and a half years, I've been working on my first fiction book to write, ever. Fiction book to write. And while I finished this book a year ago, I got the strangest phone call about one of the characters in a book where the guy wanted to meet with me, and he read the book. And afterwards, he's like, wait a minute, am I the villain in the book? This is a Story about a character named Asher, who is half Armenian, half Assyrian,

• 2:18:46Patrick Bet-David?

  whose father was involved in the Iranian revolution, linked to Savak, working with the Shah, that they escape and he gets recruited to a secret society. Well, when you go to the secret society, it's been around for a couple thousand years. They've developed some of the craziest leaders of all time. And they test you. There's unique tests that they have at the society, where they test to see your emotional, mental toughness. One of the tests that they have is very rigorous. It's purely mental. Of course, there's a physical one, but one is mental and emotional. If you're Armenian, if you're Assyrian, if you're Persian, this is a book you're gonna be reading and saying, holy moly, this the kind of stuff you talk about in here? Yes. If you're somebody that's fascinated by history, this is a book for you. Characters. There's a technology that this society, secret society builds,

• 2:19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  where you go into a vault. I won't spoil it for you. When you go down, they have a technology where you get to sit down and watch and have a three, four hour conversation with Tupac. You can set up a debate between Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. Karl Marx is in the book, who wrote Communist Manifesto. Ayn Rand, who wrote Atlas Shrugged, is in the book. Marilyn Monroe explains the concept of seduction and sex in the book. When you read the book, it's about development of the next leaders in the world and how they do it and how they've been doing it for many years. And it's also about how to prevent the end of civilization and how this organization goes about doing it. So, I've never written a parenting book before, but if I ever wrote a parenting book,

• 2:20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  this is the closest thing to it because it's all mindset, lot of crazy stories. Again, thirteen and a half years. Trust me, I told myself I will not publish this book until I sell my insurance company and I'm fully disconnected from it, where it's no longer my responsibility a hundred percent. When you read this, if you're a creative person, if you like fiction books, if you enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, or if you enjoy Divergent, if you like books like that, I think you can enjoy reading this book. It's the creative side. Business books is very easy. Here's how you do it, here's how this works. This is very creative. If you haven't placed your order yet, now you can order it on Simon and Schuster, Amazon. I'm gonna put the link up below somewhere here, maybe even in my profile. Go order the book and read it.

• 2:20:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I sincerely, I've never written a book where I can't wait to read your reviews. To see what you think about this book. So, I'm going on this wild journey and we have some plans with this book here. If you support the things that I work on, I would appreciate you going to reading the book, order the book on Amazon and then post a review.

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