Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

Joe is joined by Gordon Ryan, Brendan Schaub & Eddie Bravo to watch the fights on March 22, 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Joe Rogan?

  Thing that I told you about the Hey, we're up, we're up, we're up, we're up. Uh, it's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims. That must mean there's a lot of decisions.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  A lot of prelims.

• 0:11Joe Rogan?

  A lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions. Like, usually they time it out better, because it's like 3:04 now. And this is 1:37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Not ideal.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  No, but, you know. Shit happens.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Shit happens.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  At least they're not doing it at 5 o'clock in the morning.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  True.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  That was, that was fucking ridiculous. If I was Leon, I'd be pissed. What time was it in the UK when they started? It's normal time. It's, uh, you know-

• 0:35Speaker 01

  They're seven hours ahead, yeah.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's nighttime there.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:38Joe Rogan?

  So it's like 10 PM right now, it's normal. Are they six hours ahead or seven hours?

• 0:42Speaker 01

  I thought it was seven.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Something like that. Um, but either way, it's nighttime there.

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen any of those guys? Yeah, Jai Herbert's the guy that head-kicked Ilya Toporia. Knocked him out? He dropped him with a vicious head kick, and then Ilya fucking starched him in the next round.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  He has great striking.

• 1:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very, very good kicks.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Big prospect.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Real tall, long, lanky dude, but, you know, Ilya, that guy, he connects on anybody, they're going night-night.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Oh, Joe, if you knew, I know you can't probably talk about it, but do you see Ilya's tweet where he's like, "I'm gonna have big news, you guys aren't expecting it"?

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know the news.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  You have no clue?

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't know. If I had to guess, he's probably fighting a top contender at 55. I don't think-

• 1:22Speaker 01

  But that wouldn't be unexpected. You know what I'm saying? He's like, "You won't see this coming." So, it's not Mark Shev, because we all assume that. Mark Shev's not fighting Mark Shev at 70. Ilya's walking around at 186.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's big.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Connor?

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Connor would have to be in the testing pool for a long time.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Oh, don't be a hater.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Isn't he doing bare knuckle, Connor? Well, he's running bare knuckle. He's like one of the, one of the- Oh, he's not gonna fight. Yeah, he may.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  He might.

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  Get him, get him off of the fucking mashing powder.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  Hello, I'm the fucking dude.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  He's also running for president.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  I might fucking fight Baranuckle. He might, he might. I mean, I could see him doing it.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  That would blow Baranuckle right through the face here.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they'd have to pay him. They'd have to pay.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Him versus Jeremy Stephens?

• 2:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness. Jeremy would have to win a couple more times, but Jeremy's back in the UFC.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  No, no, Jeremy's undefeated in Baranuckle.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  El Matador has been my, oh, he's changed his nickname. He's got a new identity. When we announce it, you won't believe it. Get ready.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  See, when you say you won't believe it, you gotta come with some shit now.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you got it, but that was a while ago. That's March 6th. You know, what is today? It's 22nd.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  But that's the UFC being like, don't announce it yet.

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't know. Like, if I, a perfect matchup is Gagey.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  I think Charles Olivera.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a, that's a great.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  That's a motherfucker.

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a great matchup. That's a great matchup.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  And now, remember, he tweeted that before Gagey's fight.

• 2:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  So I don't think it's Gagey.

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right. Oh, they're gonna stab this. Oh, man, that's a nasty cut.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Horrible place, too.

• 2:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. But this is the last round. I think the fight's over. Might be over, yeah. Yeah.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Dustin Poirier? No, Dustin's fighting Max.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  He is?

• 2:59Speaker 01

  I think so, for the BMF shit.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I think. Double check that, David.

• 3:03Joe Rogan?

  That's a great fight, too.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  I'm crazy.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  The third go around.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  At 55, and it's Max proper. See, I think Max should fight more at 55. I didn't like him going back to 45.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  I think it's too much of a struggle. He, he got pretty big when he got up to fight Gagey. He put the weight on right.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  He looked fantastic.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  He looked fantastic.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  We all remember the knuckle of Gagey in the last seconds there, but he was mollywhopping him before that.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was beating his ass. And it all started off with that jump spinning back kick to the face in the first round. Fucked up Gagey's already fixed nose.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  So that Max Holloway, the true Max Holloway at 55, versus fucking Dustin for Dustin's last fight in New Orleans?

• 3:37Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Take my money.

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, you gotta wonder, like, how much did that Ilya Toporia knockout take out of Max?

• 3:43Speaker 01

  True.

• 3:43Joe Rogan?

  Cause that was a beating.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  True.

• 3:45Joe Rogan?

  Ilya's just so fucking dangerous. He's so technical, like his striking, the way he's like bobbing in and moving, he's so comfortable with his head movement. You see he's like a step ahead of everybody.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  He's good at everything and then people are like, oh, he's too small for 55. I'm like, he's actually, that narrative don't work. He's a big fucking bullet.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the 45 pound cut is, look, man, they should all stop cutting weight. That's the reality. Cutting weight is bullshit. It's terrible for you. They need more weight classes and they need to stop cutting weight. They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and, and put people in a weight class and say this.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Do they still do that in one?

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  They do.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Logically, who knows? One's backed off MMA. Like they have a big Muay Thai fight tonight.

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  They backed off MMA, really?

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing Muay Thai.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  I think in Asia, that gets a lot of numbers.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  And they put on fucking shows, man.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a huge, there's a huge one tonight. Huge one.

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  Kickboxing and Muay Thai fights. I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting. I've been telling them forever, you guys should get into kickboxing. If you only like stand up fights, there's, it's not like the old days of kickboxing where they're boring, like PK, karate.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  There's characters, man.

• 4:55Joe Rogan?

  And the knockouts are fucking crazy.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Alex, Izzy, like you're some monsters.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  Kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant in the UFC. Just have a striking only segment of the UFC.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  And Glory's coming back. Glory's doing a heavyweight competition soon.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  Glory's got some elite fighters, man. I watch Glory all the time. It's fucking exciting, but nobody was watching it. Nobody knows who these people are.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  You just gotta educate the crowd. Put the same amount of resources you did in the slap fight.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Into kickboxing and we're cooking.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Cause they're doing it with jiu jitsu.

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  They're doing, they put how many millions of dollars in jiu jitsu and they even have more of a, a budget for it.

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  A lot of it's Eddie, you know, they put a lot of it in the jiu jitsu.

• 5:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Mikey Musumichi. A lot of it is not mine.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is with UFC fight. No, with UFC fight. No, I'm saying as far as making it popular. Like EFI, all that shit, like that's, you were the one, you know, I know we're boys, but you were really the one to navigate all that with Fight Pass. That was huge.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a big deal. Having the UFC get involved heavily in jiu jitsu is huge. Are you still doing stuff with them?

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I have a great relationship with them. I think they're trying to put together some kind of like tough show now, like an Ultimate Fighter show.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  For grappling.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Which would be, which would be cool because then you can like build a star from scratch.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and get to know the guys.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah. You can get people emotionally involved.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Cause they, they exclusively sign Mikey Muschameshi, right?

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days. I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  You know DC and Taylor's shooting one right now.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  They're shooting the Ultimate Fighter.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  They gotta give up on that, bro. And that, listen, that's like season 90.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I don't know where you watch it.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  It's on ESPN plus, I think.

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  Is it? I haven't watched it in forever.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  No one does.

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  I watched the finals. I watched the finals to see how good the guys are who win, you know, and see where they're at. You know, I watched Dana White's contender series probably more.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  That's the best thing in combat sports. As far as like talent, like the, it's the best.

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Because they're super hyped. They have insane motivation. They have this unbelievable opportunity. If they do that, they skyrocket into the UFC.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  And it's not like Ultimate Fighter, like where you can win based off grappling and, you know, and just hold guys down. They become champion UFC contract. Dana White contender series, there's dudes who win and he's like, nah, not exciting enough.

• 7:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  So dudes go for broke.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Sugar Sean came from there. I mean, there's so many champs.

• 7:15Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people came from there. Jamal Hill.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Is it illegal to have a, a finish bonus in the, in the UFC? Like you get paid whatever, uh, 80,000 to show, 80,000 to win, and then another 80,000 if you finish the fight. I mean, is that illegal?

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  No, no, definitely not illegal. No.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  They do it now with performance bonuses.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  There's performance, I think.

• 7:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it would help a little bit.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Or, or, or go gangster and go, you know, you have show money and then you get extra money, like, uh, you know, double, but you have to knock them out or submit them.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  See, otherwise you just get your show money. UFL does that. I know everyone say, UFL does that.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Okay, I think that's a good idea.

• 7:53Joe Rogan?

  What's UFL now?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 7:55Joe Rogan?

  PFL?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  No, UFL.

• 7:56Joe Rogan?

  What's UFL?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Uh, UFLs where like Tony Fregant and Dale and Dan is fighting.

• 8:00Joe Rogan?

  I thought that was GFL.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, GFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, GFL, sorry. Yeah, there's PFL, there's GFL, UFC or something else.

• 8:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro, we were talking about the one fight that I'm interested in.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Yo, Romero.

• 8:12Joe Rogan?

  And Musashi.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  That's a great fight.

• 8:13Joe Rogan?

  That's a great fight. That's one fight that GFL's putting together. I'm like, ooh, I'll watch that.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Are they both over forty?

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  They're a hundred years old. Yeah, they're both a hundred.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yoel's seventy-nine years old, dude.

• 8:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't care. He looks fucking amazing.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Well, he's fighting bare knuckle.

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Too. Like, I saw some promo of some giant dude he's fighting.

• 8:32Joe Rogan?

  Did you see him box that slap fight guy?

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Bro, that slap fight guy, when he jumped up in the air, I was like, oh, I fucked up.

• 8:38Joe Rogan?

  Yoel just fucking just jumped up in the air for no reason.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Like an alien.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

  Right before he decided to beat his ass, he just jumped straight up in the air.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  It's just some sloppy white guy. He seemed like, oh, fuck.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  If the UFC, if the UFC...

• 8:52Speaker 03

  If the UFC does kickboxing, they might as well just come out with a bang and go bare knuckle kickboxing.

• 8:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not a bad idea.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Take my money.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  And that'll, that'll, you know, that'll get people to check it out.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Crazy. But would you do it separate from UFC events? Or would you do it like, would, like, do it like one? Where you have like MMA fights and kickboxing?

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Mix it up.

• 9:10Joe Rogan?

  I think you could do whatever you wanted, but you could definitely could have a stand-up only show and it would be huge.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:15Joe Rogan?

  Where they break them up, they clinch against the cage. You know, you don't allow them to clinch. Do it just like kickboxing does, separate them. You know, like, there's no ground fighting at all.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  That's going backwards, to tell you the truth.

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• 11:56Speaker 03

  We had kickboxing. No one watched it. We already had it. But when the UFC came out, people, all of a sudden, people are into martial arts again. And if we go, that's going back, I think.

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't see what you're saying, but look, the UFC does grappling events, right? The grappling events are pure grappling. Why not do pure striking events, too? And then MMA is always the best.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Well, it was when the UFC blew up, it was UFC 2, correct? Nobody watched UFC 1. They didn't know if it was real. There was no B-roll.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  Everyone watched UFC 2. And did they get blown away and get hooked by it because of the striking or because of the jiu-jitsu?

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was because it was hoist.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  It was the jujitsu.

• 12:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  People didn't realize that you could fight on the ground. I thought fighting on the ground was for pussies.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  But then it went mainstream for Tough One with stand-up with Stefan and Forrest.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  But listen, let's imagine, uh, that Ankaliyev and Pereira fight an only kickboxing fight. Are you telling me that's gonna be boring? That'd be fucking insane.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, they already had that.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Kickboxing with little gloves.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  With MMA gloves.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  If they're gonna do it, I'd go bare knuckle if it was up to me. The thing about bare knuckle though is your face gets obliterated. Yeah. The slices and cuts. People want to see the blood.

• 13:10Joe Rogan?

  The hands break.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  People want to see that shit.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  I, I commentate for, I commentate for Gamebred where it's bare knuckle MMA and seeing JDS and Alan Belcher and Roy, they don't punch the same. Like, the, the little cautious because they don't want to break the hand.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  It's more realistic.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  So it's not the same.

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  It's more realistic, yeah, which is...

• 13:27Speaker 01

  It is, it's just a different product.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  What happened? It starts in an hour. Well, wait a minute, it's not Hilton. Oh, this is the bare knuckle one?

• 13:34Speaker 01

  That's the dirty boxing shit.

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  That's our boy, Mike Perry shit.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Watch that too.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Is this bare knuckle dirty boxing?

• 13:41Speaker 01

  It's bare knuckle. And, and this, this Hilton is tall with a giant jaw.

• 13:46Joe Rogan?

  This starts in an hour? Yeah, Olafsky fights. Fucking throw that bitch on.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Pick him up.

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Isn't that crazy?

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  Olafsky, man.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Was that Dumb and Dumber?

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  Who takes a licking and keeps on ticking better than Andre Olafsky?

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Tell me about it.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  That dude's still around. He was the UFC champion in 2005, son.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Wow, dude.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  2005, that's 20 fucking years ago of hardcore combat sports in MMA. That is nuts.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Dude, remember how hard it was for the UFC even to, uh, to cut him because they kept giving him these young lines and he kept beating him?

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he beats a lot of guys, man.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Dude, just get out of here. He's like, nah, man.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  He's such a veteran.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  He's so savvy. He sees everything coming.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah, man. He's been, been there, done that forever. Jan Bohovic. So you were saying that Bohovic got both of his shoulders reconstructed?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Both of them been out two years. One shoulder's bad enough. But what's impressive about him is he was fighting with bad shoulders when he beat all these boys.

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how bad were they? Shoulders are tough. They get worse?

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Shoulders are tough.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like the worst injury. It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  Yep, I had full-blown surgery. It was, uh...

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  How's it now?

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Uh, it's good now.

• 14:52Joe Rogan?

  Step cells? How's your back, your lower back?

• 14:54Speaker 03

  My lower back's good, man. I got into that Joe Hip and Steel stretching. Remember I told you about that? That, that's huge. I do that every day.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  That changed everything for you?

• 15:02Speaker 03

  Uh, it, it makes it so that I don't need surgery because I'm supposed to go back for more back surgery.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  I was supposed to do that two years ago.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  For another disc?

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, another one, but uh, I'm delaying that as long as possible and you know, doing these stretches, man. It takes about an hour and a half to do these stretches every day, but it makes it manageable where I could uh, you know, tie my shoelaces without pain, you know?

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Lower backs are a motherfucker.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, so.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  Whatever you can do to avoid surgery, man.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. Look at Yon. First shoulder operated on, unfortunately, there's too much work to do with one, so they could fix both at once and the surgery soon. So what year, when is this, Jamie?

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Two years ago.

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  Two years ago, wow.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  I'm fighting two years.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. And you know, no peptides, no nothing, because everybody is in this, you know, goofy world where you're not allowed to take stuff like BBC 157.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  So stupid. That's illegal?

• 15:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Especially after surgery.

• 15:58Joe Rogan?

  Last three months, two months, started losing my power, my strength, 40% goes. I tried to do something with physiotherapy and doctors had tried to fix it, but every training was worse. Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Now, remember too, he's also 42 years old.

• 16:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah. Yeah, that's old, you know, it's less old for the bigger guys, but it's still old.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Forty-two is for, I mean, I'm forty-two.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Two shoulders at 42 is a hard, hard things to come back from.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  And Carlos Olberg's a motherfucker. He's so fast and tall. He's so long.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  It's such good matchmaking because Carlos Olberg, even though they think, you know, prospect, I think he's 34, 35, but it's a, he hasn't really beat anybody of note. Like, beat Odomer, but he hasn't really beat any of the top guys to get to this, so him versus Yon's fun.

• 16:45Joe Rogan?

  And there's also his first fight, like his first fight with Kennedy, Kennedy and Zichikou.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:50Joe Rogan?

  Who, who beat him down. Like, he was beating Kennedy up and then he gassed out. Kennedy fucked him up.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a, that's a big fight because he kind of folded down the stretch. Over, you know, overamped in the beginning of the fight, burned off too much fuel.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Just experience?

• 17:03Joe Rogan?

  Experience.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  It's, it's like Sean Brady in the main event, like, when they gave him Bilal, he just wasn't ready.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  And then loses that and then goes on a tear.

• 17:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  And like, now he's ready. Now he's ready.

• 17:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Sometimes it takes that.

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  Had mental coaching and shit too, which I think is important.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  How are your shoulders?

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Good.

• 17:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  And yours? Good shoulders? Good shoulders. I tore my bicep, uh, like a month ago, probably. But I'm on all sorts of shit. It looks weird. You can see it.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  Did you get it fixed or no?

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Nah, man.

• 17:32Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to get it fixed? Is it a small tear?

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a small tear.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  I've just been injecting fucking peptide. You name something. Just fucking.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro, BPC one five seven with the TB five hundred is amazing.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  The best.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  I started taking, uh, Blue Scorpion Venom shit.

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, some scorpion venom, some, I don't, name something. Anything someone offers me, I'm like, I'll try it out. The brand name is Venom or actual? It's Blue Venom. They take venom and, and then from peptides with it.

• 18:02Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 18:03Speaker 01

  From, from a fucking scorpion.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, shit. What does that do for you?

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Ah, apparently it helps with healing.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  They say bee stings cures arthritis.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  When people get bee stings, like, they have like serious arthritis, they get stung all over the fucking hands and it helps them. Blue Scorpion Venom.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  What the hell, dude? Yeah, they milk scorpions, dog.

• 18:23Joe Rogan?

  Reminds me of Sharkheart Ledge.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Dude, I couldn't lift three weeks ago. I fucking.

• 18:27Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? Scorpion did it for you?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  That's the thing. I take so much shit, I don't know.

• 18:34Joe Rogan?

  Something's working.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Something's working, dude. I got back on the bench last week and was, no, no problems.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  What is these scorpion stuff supposed to do?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  It helps with healing. Like, like, there's all sorts of fucking history on it.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  Blue Scorpion. Do you inject it or are you taking it?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  No, it's a serum.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you put it on the muscle? You put it under your tongue?

• 18:53Speaker 01

  No, yeah, you put it under your tongue. Every morning, every night.

• 18:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  And I'm like, how much do you say it take? I'll take double.

• 19:00Joe Rogan?

  Is there a side effect to it?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Nah, I feel, yeah, being awesome, feeling healthy.

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  Does it make you feel great?

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I feel great.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Wow, but you're doing a lot of stuff.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know. I don't know. And like, and then I stumbled upon, uh, was it Methanol Blue?

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Do you take Methanol Blue? Is that legit?

• 19:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's not how you say it. What is the actual?

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Methylene?

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  Methylene, methylene, methylene.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Dude, it's on me all, all the time. Do you want some, Gordon?

• 19:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I take it.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's like a, what do we say? Neutropic?

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's basically an MAO inhibitor. And it also has something that does something for your mitochondria. I'm not the guy to describe it, but Gary Brekka told me to take it and quite a few other people told me to take it.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just stumbled, because I take creatine for neurological reasons and for muscle recovery.

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  And then I'm taking so many nootropics, I feel like I leveled out. And then someone recommended this, this methanol blue.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Methylene.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Methylene blue.

• 20:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that took you to another level?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Bro, yeah, I mean, three, four times a day.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. Three or four times a day?

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  I think you're supposed to do it one a day.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Bro. What are we doing here? I got too much shit to get done, Doug.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, this one's great from Diesel Subs.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  You're like a test rat.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they go, does it work? I think so.

• 20:22Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:23Joe Rogan?

  Something's working.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  One of them's gonna work.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  The full combo's working.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  One of them's gonna work.

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

  Now, with the UFC being involved in grappling, they're not thinking about drug testing anybody, are they?

• 20:32Speaker 02

  I don't think so. As far as I know, no, because none of the other organizations test.

• 20:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  So it's like, unless you're gonna sign, which is starting to happen now because there's a little bit more money.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  IBJJ tests.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  That's it. You know, they're starting to sign people exclusive now because there's a little bit more money.

• 20:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  But unless you're gonna test across, unless every organization is gonna test. And it doesn't make sense, because then you have the guys who are tested in the UFC, who are fighting on Flo or at ONE or other events, who are fighting guys who are juiced anyway.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  So the whole reason to have testing is to have guys who are not on steroids compete against one another.

• 21:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said, but here's the rules, we're gonna go USADA.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would, that would work, but the problem is, is that you need a business model where you can make that amount of money back.

• 21:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Like, just to, just to pay for testing, like, most of the guys that are competing on, like, the undercard, or like, not even the main event guys, you'd actually be losing money testing them regularly.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Hmm, also dulls down the sport. But also, when, when the UFC signs, uh, like, say, Mikey Musumashi, is it exclusive? Can he not compete anywhere else?

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Um, so usually when they do exclusive, I don't know what his contract is, obviously. But, uh, usually they're, usually it's exclusive, but they have cutouts for things like ADCC or like big world championships. Otherwise it's hard to sign the guys completely.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  That's what I was gonna say. You'd have to pay him a salary.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Like, for example, if, if UFC signed Mikey exclusive, uh, then he wanted to do ADCC, but it's on Flo. Like, a lot of times the guys have cutouts for that, like big world championship tournaments.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Cause it helps everybody.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cool. Just builds a brand. You won't be stuck there if you're not getting enough competition.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Like a guy for, a guy exclusive to Flo or to UFC wouldn't be able to compete for like Flo grappling or ONE normally.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So is ONE still doing a lot of grappling? I know they got the Rotolos and Mikey's gone. I think Cade's doing MMA now.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Cade, yeah, he's two and O. He looks like a demon out there. Cade looks like a savage.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  Grappling is so much better than everybody else's.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  He's fucking people up striking.

• 22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right, right. Yeah. It's like having a guy like that, that's the, that elite with grappling and also young enough to learn striking and get, and just wild.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Dude, they gave-

• 22:44Joe Rogan?

  Wild, aggressive dudes.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Great work ethic. They gave him like a tough matchup to a second fight in ONE championship, like a tough fucking wrestler. He fucking annihilated this dude.

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  Is Gary Tonan still in ONE?

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, his contract ended. He was doing some negotiations, but, um, as far as I know, I, I think he's going back to ONE, but I'm not a hundred, a hundred percent sure.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Be great to see him. Jamie, can you bring up the ONE champ-

• 23:08Speaker 02

  I wanna see him fight too.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  One championship has a big, uh, Muay Thai fight, like huge Muay Thai fight, like one of the biggest ever.

• 23:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so-

• 23:14Speaker 01

  I sent my boy to it. There it is.

• 23:15Joe Rogan?

  For everybody watching at home, first fight is right about to start. And we are, Mark Goddard is waiting to kick it off. He's moving to the center of the octagon now. And it goes. And the time is 4:57, 4:56, 4:55, 4:54, 4:53. We're off. How do you say that dude's name? Sharri, Sharri? Sharri? Sharri?

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Sharri.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  This is in London?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 23:50Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. Tell me a little bit about these guys. I don't know much. I didn't study this.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  He's 12 and 3.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  Brendan?

• 23:57Speaker 01

  I wish, I wish.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  You don't know? Oh, my God.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  No, I know some guys. No, I got some things.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  Who is he fought?

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Eight first round finishes.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  The...

• 24:05Joe Rogan?

  That's really good.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Um...

• 24:07Joe Rogan?

  Man, Brendan got stomped.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it gets crispy after this, but what I was gonna say is I wish we were seeing Jon Jones Aspinall in London.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what they should be seeing. But I think Jon's gonna hold out as long as he can to make the most money and then...

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Which you can't be mad at, but also, you know Tom Aspinall? I think soon he'll be the interim champ for the longest ever over 500 days. That's not good.

• 24:29Joe Rogan?

  No, that's kinda crazy. 500 days is kinda crazy. It's kinda crazy. And Jon said he wants 6 months to train.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Which is, that's just negotiation tactics. Like, dude, he's been on your radar for 3 years, and you took 2 years to get ready for heavyweight. What are we doing?

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I mean, Jon is so meticulous in his preparation. Like, you've worked with Jon. You trained with him when he was getting ready for Stipe.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did the first camp. I was with him for like a couple weeks, and then the... And then Stipe got hurt. And then the second camp, oh.

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here we go. Someone got hurt.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  He dropped him. I didn't see with what, but he definitely dropped him.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  So...

• 25:08Speaker 02

  But, yeah, the second camp, I was with him for like a full like 6 or 7 weeks. So, that was a...

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And do you think Tom Aspinall is like, uh, Jon's gonna get him down? If you get him down, Jon, as far as being Aspinall's guard, you think it'd be an issue for Jon at all?

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Um, no. I think that, uh, I think Tom would probably be trying to stand up. Um, I don't... And Tom also has pretty good, like, fast takedowns, so they could both take one another down.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Um, but, uh, I don't think that Tom is gonna be able to, like, really do anything besides try to get up on Jon.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  Trying to get that mounted guillotine.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  He's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a kid, you know, it's rare you have a big guy with good hips.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Dogfight, boom.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  He's so fast, too. Aspinall, like, as a heavyweight, there's no one like him.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  The only knock on we really haven't seen would just be his defense. You know, his head is exposed, chin leads forward.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  The one MMA fight I did see him lose, he got heel hooked. And it was a pretty shitty heel hook that he tapped to, so.

• 26:04Joe Rogan?

  Aspinall?

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  When was that? I thought he was undefeated.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  It was a long time ago.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  He's been defeated in the UFC, yeah.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  He got heel hooked before the UFC?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  He's undefeated, though.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  It was a, and it was a, I mean, it was a long time ago, he's obviously gotten much better, but it was a pretty shitty heel hook.

• 26:19Joe Rogan?

  No kidding? Was it an amateur fight or was it a pro fight?

• 26:22Speaker 02

  It's a pro fight, I believe.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Here's something to think about, think if for whatever reason John decides he doesn't want to fight Aspinall, what the fuck do you do with Aspinall?

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, there's no one.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  The heavyweight division's never been worse.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  It's never been worse.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  It's awful, like, there's Cyril Gahn.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  Triangle right here.

• 26:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at this.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  Pull that head down. He sticks to the head, just concentrates on the head. You might be able to get it.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  If you would've asked me a few weeks ago, I would say have Alex move up, but Alex just lost.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was the bummer.

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  I heard that Alex fought with a broke, here it is, here's the heel hook.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  It's actually a heel knee bar.

• 26:58Joe Rogan?

  So here it is. Who's this guy?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  So you see, he just scoops the leg from half-guard.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Tom was whooping his ass.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  And Tom turns away instead of trying to face him, so it exposes the heel. And it turns into a heel knee bar.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Oh, weird.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  It's a heel hook, but it's a knee bar, but with the heel hook gripping, so he can't turn back into the lock.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  That dude's in some pub right now going, I beat that guy.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  I beat the fucking champ. I beat the fucking champ.

• 27:22Joe Rogan?

  This guy keeps trying.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  He's got to create an angle.

• 27:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's got both arms.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Now shoulders in.

• 27:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:30Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna go with a dead orchard, right, Eddie?

• 27:34Speaker 03

  Doesn't work.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  Does it ever work in MMA? Has anybody pulled it off in MMA?

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, Elvis Sinisic.

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  He was the first one.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  Old school.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  He was the first one. That's when, that's when no one really thought it was like, no one really even noticed it. Cause you're taught, you only triangle your legs when there's one arm in, one arm out, not when there's two arms in.

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  But his legs are so long, he arm barred Jeremy Horn and then when you look at it, you're like, yo. He has, he's triangling his legs and he has both arms in. Whoa, that's kind of a freak thing.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  We just thought it was a freak thing. And then, um, uh, uh, Nathan Orchard and Brian Debs. Two of my guys, they just started doing it all the time. They go, do we do this all the time? Like, really? You're doing triangle? Like, you gotta have long legs.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  You gotta have long legs. If you have short legs, you gotta do a Mexican dead orchard. That's what I do. You gotta do a lot of extra labor. There's a lot of extra stuff you gotta do to pull it off.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  What's the Mexican dead orchard? How's it work?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  You gotta do a lot of stuff. You gotta go invisible collar to muddy waters and then Mexican dead. There's a lot of stuff. Cause if you have long hair or long, long, uh, uh, if you're a heavy metal dude, if you have long legs, you, and you're on the bottom. Uh, depending on how you match up with the guy, he, he can get dead orchard. He could, you could triangle your legs with his arms in a perfect defensive position. And they get that, a lot of times people get surprised. Like, what the fuck happened? How did he triangle his legs? They don't understand, but. If you have short legs and the guys like this, or just regular legs, there's no way you're gonna be able to triangle your legs with both arms in. You need one arm in, one arm out. So with both arms in, the only way a Mexican or a Chinese guy could do a dead orchard. Is you gotta have this arm down and this arm like this.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Like this, now I could, now I could triangle my legs. You gotta do a lot of work. You gotta get the hand of the mat. And then you gotta get his elbow in. There's a lot of stuff. It's super complicated. Um, dead orchards are not the greatest thing for, and you gotta be super flexible. Super flexible and you gotta put a lot of time into it. But if you have long legs. You should be doing dead orchards. It's by far the number one arm bar in the guard no gi. And there's not even a close second.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  There's a mid, I got, one of my black belts has 84 dead orchards. And his students, a purple one has 34 dead orchards in competition.

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  Who has that many orchards?

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Chris Vickers.

• 29:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  From 10th Planet Walnut Creek.

• 29:51Joe Rogan?

  Orchard King.

• 29:52Speaker 03

  And dead orch-, uh, uh, there's, they, they happen all the goddamn time. Ben Ed, he got, uh, uh, um, Wilson Hayes in, in a combat jujitsu match. He got him in a dead orchard.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  And Wilson Hayes is a high level black belt. He just fought Mighty Mouse for the title a month before. That's high level shit.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  You know, but, you know, but for girls, girls proportionally have longer legs than guys and more narrow shoulders. So if you're a girl out there and you're fighting MMA and you don't have a dead orchard in your game, you're missing out. You're missing out. Girls, girls can do dead orchards at a higher level or a higher rate than guys for sure. Just because of the body type.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Who do you think has the best guard in MMA? Is it Olivera or Paul Craig?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  Paul Craig's got a fucking pretty nasty guard.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Paul Craig's so dangerous, Bo Nickle didn't even take him down.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right?

• 30:42Speaker 03

  There's so few fighters with dangerous guards in MMA. There's so few.

• 30:46Joe Rogan?

  Fabricio was one.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  There's like three, dude.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Fabricio's, Fabricio Verdun is the overlooked goat heavyweight.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  I would say Paul Craig.

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Ankaliya and Jamal Hill. He's got two world champions, arm barred both of them. Triangle them, arm barred them.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  Very impressive.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Well, you got Gunner Nelson.

• 31:05Joe Rogan?

  Jamal's arm, remember Jamal's arm was flopping all over the place and he's beating on him.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  As far as jujitsu wise, you got Gunner Nelson on the card tonight. And then Sean Brady's no punk either.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Sean Brady's wicked. He's wicked.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Philadelphia gorilla.

• 31:16Joe Rogan?

  And I'm sure Gorman would like to point out that he beat Craig Jones in competition.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  He did beat Craig Jones. In a grappling match.

• 31:24Joe Rogan?

  That was one of them deals where you couldn't do heel hooks though, right?

• 31:27Speaker 02

  I think, I believe leg locks were illegal.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a little sus.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  But, I mean, still, he's an MMA guy who fights at 170.

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a fucking beast.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 31:36Joe Rogan?

  No doubt. He's got like a turtle shell for a back.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  No, he's a great grappler, which is why I'm excited to watch this.

• 31:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his back is like triple thick. He's got like you hug him.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  John Martin Brady?

• 31:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his back is like extra muscles. What do these do?

• 31:49Speaker 01

  And Leon Edwards in the weigh-ins, he's like, I don't realize how small he is. I'm definitely gonna have a strength advantage. You're like, oh.

• 31:54Joe Rogan?

  Leon said that?

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, oh buddy.

• 31:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  You gotta educate yourself.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, Leon was saying at the weigh-ins, he's too small. I'm gonna take him out. Like, he might be shorter than you.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:04Joe Rogan?

  But, he's a fucking chimp.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  He gets a hold of you. You got real problems. Remember what he did to Kelvin?

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  He manhandled Kelvin. Kelvin's a hell of a wrestler.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 32:14Joe Rogan?

  Hell of a wrestler.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  No, anyone who fights Sean Brady's like, he's the strongest guy we were going against. All of them say it.

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Joe Piper says it.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  And Joe Piper's fucking huge.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Huge. That's a guy where like, that's a guy where like, how the fuck do you make 85?

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  How do you make 85?

• 32:29Speaker 03

  Gordon, in your opinion, what's the best leg lock for MMA? Best leg lock position? You're training someone, he wants to learn leg locks, what do you think?

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Um, well, for you guys, it'd be called the honey hole, but for us, cross Ashigurami.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Or inside Tsingaku?

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, inside Tsingaku, yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  That's the best one, you think?

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Um, one of them.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  And then, what do you think about putting it on the outside and going Z-lock?

• 32:52Speaker 02

  That's great too.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  It seems like anything on the outside, it turns the guy and he really can't hit you. Cause really, it's about being, uh, uh, safe from strikers. And 50/50, I think everyone agrees. You see 50/50 in MMA and it works, but you can still reach the guy's face, but you can't really hit him that hard.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  50/50, 50/50, you can get hit, uh, outside Ashigurami, or you guys call double outside, can get hit.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the worst.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Um, but any, like, inside Tsingaku, or if you pass leg across, we call it inside Ashigurami, where you have the, that's how I finished Nicky Rod, where you have the legs triangled inside, but the legs pass to the outside, so you have an outside heel hook. Um, that's great, but because everyone's breaking mechanics.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  are not up to par on outside heel hooks. It's harder to get catastrophic breaks on outside heel hooks. So for MMA, if you have good braking mechanics, like Paul Harris finished, a lot of outside heel hooks, but his braking mechanics were pretty good.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Um, the legs inside with the foot outside is best. Um, otherwise just keep the foot on the other side and go for the inverted.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  So if this leg was reaping, this foot would be on the outside, right? Like this?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you have an outside heel.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  We call that the Indian. Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  That's Gary heel hooking.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  On the inside. Yeah.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Um, but so, yeah. So, so it's, it's hard for the guy to, the guy can't hit you from here. He can't really throw any punches to your face.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Basically, anything that, anytime you reap, like which, which, which is that left leg going on the inside, makes it hard for the guy to hit. So most people think, oh, all leg locks don't work in MMA. You're going to get smashed. That's not true. Some leg locks will save your ass. There was a fight in the UFC, some Brazilian guy, I forget. It was in the Ultimate Fighter. He was on his back getting walloped and the guy was like, had a horse stance on top of him against the cage and was thrown down and that.

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• 36:59Speaker 03

  Brazilian just jumped, jumped on a, on a knee bar, a knee bar attempt, and that saved him. Because now he can't, now he's punching his ass.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  And then, from the knee bar, he got knocked down on his back, on his butt, and then he turned around, jumped on his back, and choked him out.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think you're seeing a lot of heel hooks because a lot of guys just aren't very efficient in it. They're not focusing on it.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Ryan Hall was one of the first to come in and really do some damage with leg locks. He got, he got BJ Penn pretty quick.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. The number one determining factor of, with, with leg locking is, insofar as getting hit, is...

• 37:35Speaker 02

  In order for the person to actually hit you, they have to come up on top of you and put weight onto you. So the number one determining factor is can I keep this guy's head? If I can get, if you're attacking and you're trying to punch the guy, if you can get your head over his head, you can hit with power. So any leg locking position which doesn't allow your opponent to get head overhead is what's gonna keep you safe.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  So basically double outside Ashi, what do you guys call it, double outside Ashi?

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Just outside Ashi.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  That's the worst one.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, because the guy can come forward into you and get head overhead and they can hit you.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  You, you either get that heel hook quick, or you're gonna take some damage.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  But anything where you're reaping, which doesn't allow him to come forward into you, because he'll break his own leg if he stacks you.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  And he can't get head overhead is what you should be looking for. But if the guy can get head overhead, then he can hit you easy.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. You going over leg locks with Jon Jones, is he, is he pretty good at him now?

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, he kinda just bounces around from thing to thing. Like, he'll be like, "Oh, I wanna go over some leg locks." And like, you'll teach him a move, and he'll be like, "So Darses, I got a question on Darses." And it's just like, it's like just ADHD, just bouncing. But that's how he learns. Like, he just bounces from move to move.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. The first time I met him, it was his first fight when he fought Stefan Bonner, and we were at, it was in Boston, and we were at a boxing gym, and I was just hanging out with you because you were taking a private with, who was the guy from Amsterdam that you were taking privates?

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Rob Kamen.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  It was either Shuki or Rob Kamen. It was one of them. We were in some random boxing gym in Boston, and I was just sitting on the, on the ring.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  It must have been Rob if we were in Boston.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Waiting, waiting for you to be done, and then no one knew who Jon Jones was. It was his first fight, he's sitting there, and he comes up to me and he, and he asks for advice. He goes, "What, what do you think, you know, you got any advice for me?" And I'm like, "I didn't know." And he was fighting Stefan Bonner, and I thought, "Oh, they're feeding Stefan Bonner some new guy." Like, I felt bad for Jon Jones. So what I told him is, is there's two kinds of wrestlers that... Coming to MMA wrestlers that love jujitsu and wrestlers that want to beat jujitsu. I go, don't be one of those wrestlers that wants to beat jujitsu. Fall in love with it, fall in love with submissions because the guys, the guys that want to beat it, they never last. They're eventually going to get taken out.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Also wrestlers have such an advantage of being able to manipulate bodies.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  The scariest jujitsu guys, the scariest jujitsu guys, for the most part are guys that wrestle their whole life. And then they fall in love with jujitsu and they love pulling guard and all that like, oh scary.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Think about the guys John Jones submitted. Over, Le- Leoto. Like he's a fucking savage. Vitor.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  How did that Stefan Bonner fight, wasn't he like just like throwing them out?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  He'd be that spinning elbow.

• 40:11Joe Rogan?

  He'd beat the shit out of him. You remember when we talked to him, we talked to him into going to a big camp? Do you remember that conversation? We were.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  When we were at the roof of the, the hotel, remember that?

• 40:22Joe Rogan?

  Hanging out and he was saying, what do you think I should do? I said, you're too good. You need to be at a big camp. You need to be around killers. You can't, you're so good, you're going to get by a long way on your own. I go, but you need like high level coaching, like you're, you're a world champion.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Did you recommend Jackson's to him?

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  I did not. He found Jackson's, yeah, well, Jackson's was huge at the time, you know, so many. It's such a great gym. I mean, you can't go wrong with those guys and Greg is just such a great mind for strategy.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Not a slimy guy.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  And Winklevon John was a legit, legit kick boxer in his day. Winklevon John was a legit kick, he fought John Eve Terrio.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  He was, he was legit, man. Winklevon John's a legit striker. And then you got all those other people over there too. It's like such a killer lineup.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  I was there during John's heyday, man.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you were. Yeah, yeah. I think his heyday is still going on, man. Especially at heavyweight.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  We just don't know. He's not active enough.

• 41:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's really, there's one fight, man. There's one fight.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  And then after that.

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  After that, they gotta fucking, they gotta scour.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Because even if he, here's the thing, even if John mollywops Tom, which I think John would be an underdog in the fight, but let's say John beats Tom.

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  And then retires, it's like, all right, Tom Asmaw is still going to dominate.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Who's going to beat him?

• 41:37Joe Rogan?

  You get Francis to come back. The Saudis. Come along, come on, come on, come on. Saudis come along with that.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Francis is going to fight Wilder.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  Big bag, let's go.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  So.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  That guy do it.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Good John Jones story that nobody knows.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Because I was, we were, I was cornering him for that fight, his last fight against Stipe. And we found out that Trump was gonna be there. And for probably a solid fifteen to twenty minutes, we only, while he was warming up, like fifteen to twenty minutes, he's getting ready to go out to fight for the belt. Probably twenty minutes of that warm-up was him just practicing the mechanics on how to do the Trump dance. We like looked it up, we were like YouTube'd it, and he was like practicing the Trump dance in the locker room, getting ready to do it.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Savage.

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  How confident are you of victory when you're already practicing your victory dance?

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Pretty confident.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  And the best is, we were all for it. We're like, no, like the hands gotta be a little bit higher, a little bit lower. So we were like coaching him through it as he was doing it.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I was laughing so hard.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  How did that fight end? I forget.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  Spinning back kick to the body.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. I never told you this, but I was actually there.

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you were there?

• 42:49Speaker 03

  I flew in with the guys from CPI, you know, they...

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you tell me we were there?

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Because you're so busy, you know what I mean? And then I was with a, I was with like, I was with like a big group. And what am I gonna do? Bring, like, I'm like, you know what?

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  You had so much shit going on. And so Ed Clay from CPI calls me up and goes, hey, you wanna go, you want me to pick you up in my private jet and go to see Tyson fight in Dallas? And then we fly and go see Jon Jones fight.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  No, that sounds terrible. No, I hate fun.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  I need better friends.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  I actually said no. Did you really?

• 43:26Speaker 03

  My kid had baseball. My kid had baseball all weekend.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Baseball, fuck yeah.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  So I said, damn, because he asked me, this was on, we were gonna leave on Thursday or Friday morning or Thursday. And it was like Tuesday. And I'm like, yo, what? No one's ever asked, I've never had that offer ever. Let me go pick you up in the private, pick me up in Van Nuys Airport. And then we go to Dallas, and then we go to New York. And then, and I said, dude, I can't, I can't. And then I told my wife, and my wife goes, are you fucking retarded?

• 44:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a good wife.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  You call his ass back, you fucking go. And I go, okay. I called back, I said, my wife's making me go.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  They play a lot of games.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially his son, travel ball, so many games.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And you know, to be honest with you, dude, I've been to a million UFC's. Like, I'd rather watch it at home or with my buddies, because we have UFC parties at the gym, and you know. That's funner to me than to sit live to tell you the truth.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  This is my favorite way to watch fights.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  But, but, but, but when we were there dude, I was just watching the whole Trump thing go on. You see RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, was Emo there too?

• 44:36Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I believe he was.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  Dude, dude, and I was just sitting there going, fuck, you're there.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  FBI director.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  I'm like, dude, this is a good time for the deep state to fucking send a missile to Madison Square Garden. It would solve all their problems.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Dude, there was like, dude, it was like forty seven checkpoints. It was like, it was like secret cameras.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  And then I see Trump come up, I saw the whole fucking thing, Trump walking straight to you and gave you a big fucking hug and he's whispering sweet nothings in your ear. I'm like, holy, they're like, this shit right here? Like, I was like, what the fuck? He goes right to you, man, look at that. He didn't want to talk to John Attic, he was right to you.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  He knew you were ready for the fucking handshake pull. So he was like, nah, he just came to give me a hug that time.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Dude, look at that. And what did he say?

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  He gave DC the left hand. He basically said, I won him the election.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  Damn, how crazy is this? Right?

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  Very interesting times.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  And then, and then, and then John Jones wins and then does the dance?

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Dude, that day, that day was insane.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  We're so bad.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  That day was insane.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  It was a great day.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  For, for the world, that's a world history shit.

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  They could put that whole event in some book.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Well, all the other athletes started doing the Trump dance after that.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  Correct.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  A lot of football players were already doing it.

• 46:06Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  That's the coolest shit ever, man.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  John Jones.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Savage.

• 46:12Joe Rogan?

  The GOAT.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  The GOAT, yeah.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  The GOAT now.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  No doubt, like, no, that's no doubt.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  It's silly when people argue that.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  If he beats Aspinall, everybody has to shut the fuck up forever.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  They need to shut the fuck up, even if you're going to lose to Aspinall. Look, his resume through light heavyweight, you gotta realize, he, he went through that whole fucking span of fighting the best of the best that light heavyweights ever had to offer.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  Look at the, look at the line, it's like Tom Aspinall's a slight favorite, that's kind of crazy.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  He should be.

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  Looking Morab over Shawn.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Woo, 350 to win.

• 46:43Speaker 05

  Dude, Tom hasn't been out of the first round.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Are they doing, is this real? Are they doing Morab and Shawn again?

• 46:49Speaker 05

  These are just a website taking action.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're taking bets already.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Morab, Shawn.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  They are, huh? When is that happening?

• 46:54Speaker 01

  I don't know, but that Islam.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  July, right?

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably. That Islam Toporia.

• 46:59Speaker 05

  I don't think that's happening.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  No, Islam's going up to 70. Is he?

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 47:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Shane! He's gotta do a drunk Trump. You know, Trump has never been drunk ever in his life. But him doing a, can you imagine if Trump was drunk on Twitter? Can you imagine the drunk tweets he would send?

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  Trump doesn't drink though at all, right?

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Fiona Davies, she's like, top, top female grappler.

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  I just don't recognize her all dolled up. She's amazing, dude. I saw her Mackenzie Dern bout. Holy shit.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Dude, the first time I saw her, she was in EBI. She was a purple belt. And she went against, her first round match was against Talita Allan Carr, who was a black belt world champion. I gave Talita, like, oh, you're gonna get a purple belt, you get the low seed. So it was like an easy round. And I'm sitting there and I'm roughing. And I'm like, oh, Talita's gonna kill this little Irish girl. And dude, Fiona was all over her, took her back and almost finished her. And I'm like, oh my god. And the only reason I put her in there was because Keith Precorian, he, he sent me a message, goes, yo, there's this, there's this chick Fiona Davies, you gotta throw her in. I go, okay, whatever. I'll take that advice. But Talita ended up winning. She ended up getting her back at the end and winning. But it was scary for a second. And that was-

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  As a purple belt?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  As a purple belt. She almost beat a world champion.

• 48:15Joe Rogan?

  This dude looks like he's had a hard life.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  He's tatted up like a machine gun.

• 48:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know these guys.

• 48:26Joe Rogan?

  So, we'll see what happens in that one. There's a lot of good fights coming up. I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Toporia, but I like what you were saying. Toporia versus Olivera.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Your first introduction at 55, he's kind of the, you know, the king of 55.

• 48:39Joe Rogan?

  And dangerous. So dangerous everywhere, dangerous, striking, huge reach advantage.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  But, but if you're Toporia, you're not gonna go up to 55 without some sort of guarantee. Because remember, he's giving up the belt, so he's not getting pay-per-view points.

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  It's his idea.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Well, because the weight cut's too tough.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Forty-five is too tough for him.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  But he's been doing it and winning.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  He's just sick of it.

• 49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would imagine.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Apparently that last cut was really tough and his team was like, alright, no more.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  But you're not gonna give up the pay-per-view points and just dip out and then just go into the queue at fifty-five.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  What was he weighing when he was fighting forty-five? What was he walking around at?

• 49:13Speaker 01

  They were saying like one-eighty between, one-seventy. Yeah, big. That's the thing. It was like, oh, he's too small fifty-five. I'm like, he's fucking big out of here, man.

• 49:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but those guys are real big. Like, Islam's huge. I stand next to Islam.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  How about Gleason Tabau? He would cut to fifty-five. That guy walked around at two-fifth.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  That was back in the day, though.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  That was back in the day, though. I think he has the, I think that dude has the record for weight cut.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  Anthony Johnson.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  I don't know how Alex ever made eighty-five.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Who?

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  Right, Pereira.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I think we've fought at two-twenty-five.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  How about DDP? He's fucking huge, bro.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  Huge. Yeah, he's huge.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  He's so big.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  I haven't seen him in person, but I said that to Alex when I was like a Jack two-thirty, and he like dwarfed me. And I'm like, how does this guy cut to eighty-five? He was bigger in every match, and he was bigger. He was longer, he was thicker. Like, it was just...

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  They say he fought with a broken hand and norovirus against Ankaliyev. He fought with a broken toe before. When he beat, um, Yuri Prohaska, he had a fucked-up knee. Like, remember when he went and he tumbled at the end of the fight?

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:19Joe Rogan?

  That's because his knee doesn't, wouldn't support him. He was basically fighting on one leg in the first fight. Then he gets surgery. I guess it's probably meniscus, because he came back pretty quick. Walk-around weight, two-thirty-one. That's crazy. And he looks two-thirty-one. When you stand next to him, he looks like a heavyweight.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  He'd go up two-oh-five.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, easy.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Easily.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Easy two-oh-five.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  He has the strength for it, too.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  Bully people.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Get you some.

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  He's a scary dude.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  He's gonna be a problem.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Because he confused everybody. Everybody's like, oh, this guy's all awkward and shit. He's gonna get pieced up. Nope.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Like, you know, we watched so many fights. I'd see his style. I'm like, oh, he's gonna get exposed eventually.

• 50:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think also...

• 50:55Speaker 01

  And then you just see him, you're like, what the fuck?

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  When we saw him early in his career, he did not have a nose. His nose was...

• 50:59Speaker 01

  His cardio was bad.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. His mouth was wide open all the time, and then he got that nose fixed. And then, all, man, I remember when I got mine fixed, I was like, why didn't I do this a long time ago? He had like ten percent more cardio instantly.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, his coach came out, was like, he was only breathing at six percent capacity. And I was like, this is some bull...

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  Out of his nose, maybe.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Out of his nose.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  I believe that.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  And then he got it fixed and this motherfucker is unstoppable.

• 51:21Joe Rogan?

  Rockhold just did something online where they did a scan inside of his nose. It's all gone. His no- whole nose is just completely clogged. Cause it's like your ears. You get cauliflower ear, that shit, the same thing happens inside your nose. It's, the blood pools up and it calcifies and you just get rocks inside your nose. Your nose is just a big fucking closed, like a tunnel that caved in on miners.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  I had mine fixed when I had a, my tonsillectomy.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 51:47Speaker 02

  I had like the stents up there for like a week, but uh.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  I feel like you got a good nose for fighting. You're like, no homo, you got like a button nose, like cute button nose.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  I appreciate that.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Right? Doesn't he have a good nose? So does Eddie, yeah.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Has anybody thrown a lot of money at you to try to get you to do MMA?

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I was offered, uh, seven figures.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 52:07Speaker 02

  To do, uh, like bare knuckle MMA.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bare knuckle. Was it Masvidal's thing?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I believe so. It wasn't Masvidal who reached out, it was somebody else.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Dean, probably?

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Um, I think it was maybe through, uh, Philly Fresh.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Um, reached out and it was somewhere around seven figures.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  To do it.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd watch that.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  But it was like, I was getting ready for ADCC at the time, but I'm just like, no.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  You were gonna do combat jiu-jitsu too. It was gonna be him against Fabrizio Verdoom, combat jiu-jitsu.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa!

• 52:37Speaker 03

  That was happening, dog. That was happening.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Take my money.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Fuck, yeah.

• 52:42Joe Rogan?

  Take my money.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  I tore my LCL.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Against Juwan.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  And then Fabrizio got hurt too. So they both, they both dropped out, but it was gonna happen. We had flyers and everything.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Fabrizio's in GFL.

• 52:53Joe Rogan?

  GFL's got everybody. Chris Weidman's like, I'm retired. And then GFL called him and was like, I'm unretired.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  I'm back in.

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, back.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  They're, they're fighting, uh, it's end of May, uh, but the, the arena by the USC down there, it's end of May in LA.

• 53:07Joe Rogan?

  What kind of testing they got? Multiple choice?

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Don't be a hater.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  What's this testing you speak of? But dude, they got

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  They got old guys, don't look, don't test them.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Nah, be cool.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  Don't tap, be nice.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  The WWE, yeah, yeah.

• 53:19Joe Rogan?

  Let's go back to the old days.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  But you got Dylan, Dylan Dennis, Tony Ferguson, like, I like you, Don.

• 53:24Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's a good fight.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  It's a good fight.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  That's, I saw that poster. That's gotta be fake, because there's zero chance that Dylan, it was that lightweight. Here it is. No chance.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  But remember, the weight cuts different. 10 pounds, so they can agree to, to fight at a weight that they're both comfortable at.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Say legendary lightweight matchup.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but lightweight's different for them.

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  That could be 65.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  But there's no way he makes 65. He could like barely make 70 when he was like 170 when he was in shape for ADCC.

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  What is, their weight classes are different, we pulled it up the other day, like, middleweight is 200 pounds.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 53:54Joe Rogan?

  So maybe

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Oh, look, I posted right there, I'm gonna comment, Dylan making lightweight.

• 53:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's see, pull up GFL weight classes, Jamie, I think they are, they're definitely different.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  They're different, so if Tony goes, hey, man, I feel good at whatever, 168, 170. And, and Dylan agrees, like, yeah, I'll fight you at 170.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Well, Dylan wasn't even making 170 when he fought in Bellator.

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  50/50 revenue share.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  He would fight at catchweight.

• 54:18Joe Rogan?

  Athletes can earn a fair share of the revenue generated from events, ensuring their success is directly linked to the league's success.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Dang. How do they determine that?

• 54:25Joe Rogan?

  50/50 for the gate.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  50/50, once, once they get over, you know, once they get in the positive, but then also, like, let's How do they know who's moving the needle? They, they all get it? They all get it. They all get 50/50? Yeah, they all get it.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, can you just Google GFL's weight classes and see if a website explains it?

• 54:41Speaker 02

  On their website, I would imagine.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  I, I know, but I don't think they have it on their website.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  So they split the profit? That's different. If they split the profit, what if they don't make any profit? Then nobody gets it. Okay. But then what's dope is like, let's say Gordon was gonna fight and has, and brought in a sponsor. And then they wanna sponsor the entire thing, he gets 20% of anything you bring.

• 54:59Joe Rogan?

  See, featherweight goes up to 55, lightweight is 65, welterweight's 80, so how's Dylan Dennis making 65?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  There's zero chance.

• 55:07Joe Rogan?

  He's big.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  When he fought in Bellator, he would fight at catchweight, it was 175.

• 55:13Joe Rogan?

  I like their light heavyweight, 225, that, that sounds

• 55:16Speaker 01

  I wish they had that when I was fighting. Maybe he's in the best shape of his life, maybe he's

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, yeah, maybe he got lean.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Isn't he fighting KSI in boxing, so shouldn't he be in shape?

• 55:23Speaker 02

  KSI just pulled out.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Alright, well, that's not good.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  But I'm telling you, there's no way Dylan's gonna make 65.

• 55:26Joe Rogan?

  How does KSI pull out against Dylan Dennis? Like, Dylan's not a boxer, KSI's a pretty good boxer.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Well.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  He's legit, like, for those kinda guys.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, he's a good boxer.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  For that class, yes.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  Did he fight Tommy Shury? Or was he going to? He was going to then to to uh something happened, right? I think, but KSI looks legit to me, like out of those guys. For the influencer stuff, yeah. He's legit. He's he's got hands. Yeah, hot Logan, yeah. But Dylan is not a boxer, so it's crazy that he would. You would think he could be not even at his best to take that fight.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I maybe got hurt. I'm not sure. I just saw I just saw something that he pulled out. I don't even. Well, he's got a video here. I don't.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he got real sick?

• 56:08Speaker 02

  I saw.

• 56:08Joe Rogan?

  Got some new coronavirus?

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 56:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, has a breathe strip on? Oh. He's got these guys? See what he's saying? Put it on, we we can hear him?

• 56:17Speaker 06

  What is going on? And honestly, I've never been this ill for this long in my life, and I hate it. I feel useless, and it's depressing. I feel like I've let so many people down. I haven't been able to post any YouTube videos to help promote the fight because I've just been feeling so shit. I'm just sick of being sick, man.

• 56:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay, he's sick. Sounds legit. Yeah, the breathe strip does it.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  I've been sleeping with mouth tape. You tape your mouth shut? Yeah. So you just breathe through your nose? I can't do that. Game changer, game changer. Is that for snoring? In what way? It's not just for snoring. It's like you feel better when you wake up. You feel more rested. Really? Yeah, man, it's amazing. I love it. Your mouth? I just started doing it the last two weeks. How does it work? What does it look like? I just put a black piece, it's called hostage tape. I put a black piece of tape over my mouth. Is your wife like, what the fuck? She wears it too. Yeah, we're both hostage. You're both like, goodnight, babe? Yeah. Give a kiss.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  You just use any tape or is it special tape? No, it's special tape for mouth taping. There's a bunch of companies that make mouth tape. But this company, Hostage Tape. It doesn't fall off? No, it has before, but I keep an extra one by the bed. If it falls off, I slap it. When when I get like this, like this much stubble, I kinda have to shave. Yeah. So it sticks better. When you like your you would have a little bit of issue with your beard. You know, probably wouldn't stick that good.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so you fit a gas mask. That's real. No. Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up. Jamie looking up. Is that real? Yeah, I know my shit. Wow.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Apparently, he was, he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  So he liked to spise.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  And that's why he did that mustache. Oh, it's real? That's real. I don't know if that's real.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  But apparently, he was, uh, he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, mustard gas.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that First World War was nuts. The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people. Toothpaste Mustache Family Association said it originated from military order to trim his large mustache to facilitate wearing a gas mask.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Go down to the military order. Wow. During his service in Bavarian Infantry Division, Hitler was ordered to trim his mustache to ensure a proper seal with a gas mask. Wow. And you got the Michael Jordan mustache.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  That is a fun fact of the day.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Wow. Michael Jordan. Mike Jones only got to ever pull it off, right? Ever. No one ever said shit, like, that's cool. In a commercial. You're cool. In a commercial. You're Michael Jordan, that's cool.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  It's just funny that that mustache is gone forever, you know?

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Didn't he fight, wasn't he like in the front line in World War I?

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  He got gassed. Mustard gas. And he got fucked up, right? And that's when he decided to run for everything, because he thought he was saved by God.

• 58:47Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody else got fucked up. The craziest thing about the gas thing, the guy who invented Zyklon A, which became Zyklon B, which they killed the Jews with, that guy, Fritz Haber, who was a Jew himself, he originally, when, when he invented this, he also invented the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. The Haber method is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen in most people's bodies. Because the Haber method of extracting nitrogen made it so they could fertilize all kinds of soil. So he invents that, and he also invents this gas that kills everybody at the same time.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  And, and there's no odor, right?

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, Zyklon B, there's no odor.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:30Joe Rogan?

  Zyklon A was invented, I think it was a pesticide, and the idea was the smell was so awful, so that you would recognize when it was there and you'd get the fuck away from it. Then Zyklon B, they got rid of the smell.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  I see.

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  But when they were gassing the troops, he was being wanted for crimes against humanity, for war crimes, at the same time he was gonna win the Nobel Prize for inventing the Haber method. Wild. And then when Hitler takes over, the Jews all get kicked out of Germany. And he's kind of sort of privileged because he's a part of the administration, but then he gets ostracized and he winds up having to be, he winds up being exiled and he dies on the run.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  He died on the run?

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Died on the run. Died running away from the Nazis.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Jesus, man.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Crazy story.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Dude, have we talked about the JFA, JFK files?

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Not yet, no.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  No one has.

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  No, I mean, we talked about a little bit yesterday, but there's, I don't know anything like groundbreaking.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Nothing, right?

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Nothing that I've seen so far.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Do you follow that, uh, that page on Instagram? It's called Real News, No Bullshit?

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  They posted something about it.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  And they put, it was like, I think it was like 2,000 pages or something, and they posted like the key takeaways. I read a little bit about it, but I kind of just was like.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  It's kind of like confirmation that was like mafia, Israel, and the CIA.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'd read one thing that the CIA within a week or two had dismissed the idea of a single shooter. I read one thing. And they're like, no, there's more than one shooter. Like this was the, yeah.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  It took them a week to figure that out? Weren't they involved?

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly. But here's the thing, what, what part of the CIA? So like if you're involved in killing the president, you're not telling Mike down the hallway.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  It's a small group.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, you have an enormous fucking office filled with thousands of employees. It's not like everybody's say, hey, get a meeting. That Irish guy? Fuck him.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, we're gonna take him for a ride through Dallas and shoot him in the fucking head.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Did you hear that phone call from Lyndon B. Johnson to?

• 1:01:30Joe Rogan?

  To the wife?

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  To the wife, like a month later.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Bro, we're fighting on sight. They were fucking, huh?

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Wasn't that after she was slapping?

• 1:01:36Joe Rogan?

  But that was after Kennedy was dead.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  After?

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a month later.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  He's like, how you not gonna say goodbye? Next time I see him, I'm gonna give you a slap in her on Christmas. She's like, you better. I'll wear the rouge or whatever. He's like, you better.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  That's cool.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  I think everybody was fucking everybody back then.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  God, good times.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  They were wild people. Nobody, there was no social media. No one's a snitch. They all just, I mean, everybody knew that Kennedy was fucking everybody. Like it was, all the press knew, nobody said anything.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  And MLK.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  Wasn't he, didn't he have an affair with Marilyn Monroe? Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  And the brother did. And Marilyn, she was fucking both brothers, dude.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  In that.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  That's a fact. That's not a conspiracy theory.

• 1:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Fact, fact.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  And that's probably why she died. She probably started writing a memoir and they're like, it's a rap.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, they said, they said the brother, the pillow talk is what fucked her over. Cause he'd fill her in and all this shit.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  And then John F. Kennedy's like, bro, what are you doing?

• 1:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  They're both fucking her, yeah.

• 1:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious. Hilarious. People were wild back then.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Wild boys.

• 1:02:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no accountability. You get away with it. And if you're the president, like, that's the reason why the president's wanted to fuck. Uh, despite rumors and speculation, no definitive proof of an affair. Oh, no proof.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Was this Google, Jamie?

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  This is, uh, yeah. Yeah, it's a reputable news source.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  You didn't see the documentary on Netflix then?

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Definitely no proof. Yeah, I mean, no speculation, let it go.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  The JFK stuff kind of just confirmed what kind of they label conspiracy theories, like, yeah, we've said it with CIA, Mossad.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna take a while for the nerds to really go through it and figure it out.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Candace Owens been through it, I bet.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  Has she been through it?

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  I would assume.

• 1:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's too busy with the Macron thing. I watched two hours of that today.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Me too. Have you seen her?

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Macron's a man.

• 1:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bridget Macron's a man.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  She got you.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she got me. Candace got me. She got me hook, line, sinker. I was, I was eating breakfast today.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do the same shit.

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  I was eating elk sticks, watching Candace Owens on my fucking, on my YouTube.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  I love her. Did you see?

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. This is crazy.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Have you dived into Harvey Weinstein shit?

• 1:03:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I watched the first episode of that.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. It's crazy. So you can't believe I'm on Harvey Weinstein's side.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Like, I thought he was, like, guilty of, like, heinous crimes. And then you listen to it and you're like, wait, what? What is going on?

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  When they go through the actual affidavit, like, what the girls accuse him for, you're like, what?

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, also, he didn't have testicles.

• 1:03:53Joe Rogan?

  He tells back and forth with the girl. Yeah, she was talking about his testicles. He doesn't have them. Like, there's all these, like, things that should have been, that should have, like, completely thrown out a lot of her claims. Like, she was talking about he made me, like, hold his balls or something like that.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  He doesn't have balls.

• 1:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have balls. His balls are, like, literally, like, inside of his thigh.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  When he's like thirty years old, they had to get rid of them.

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  He's got a terrible disease. It's like gangrene of the dick.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard of it?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Never heard of it.

• 1:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's got this crazy disease where your dick is basically, like, rotting off. And, which is kind of crazy for a guy who's, like, obviously a sex addict. Your dick starts rotting away and then you still whip it out?

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  You're whipping out a zombie dick?

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

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• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a mess. What is that actually called? Prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in 99 for Fournier's gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum. That surgery caused a pretty noticeable scarring because of an infection. His testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  So you go through the reports and they're like, "Yeah, he made me suck on his balls. I can't have balls."

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a problem.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of problems. The lady was a grifter. The lady allegedly. That's brutal. And was going back and forth from rich guy to rich guy, trying to get things happening. And Harvey put her in a few things. That was Harvey's move, apparently. Yeah. He'd put you in a few things. And, but like, Whitney told me that he would make deals with ladies. Like, "Oh, look, suck my dick. I'll get you an Oscar." Yeah, being Batman. And they would suck his dick. Yeah. And, and he would get him an Oscar. And like, this is the thing, where everybody thanked him. "Thank you, Harvey."

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  That actually happened?

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Gave an actress an Oscar?

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, he didn't give him an Oscar. He gave him an Oscar award-winning role in a Miramax film, which is gonna be a blockbuster film, which pretty much gets you real close. And then there's the influence of it being a Harvey Weinstein movie. He was the king at the time, and everybody followed his lead. Like, when, you know, you have big movies like Pulp Fiction and those kind of films that Miramax produced. They produced bangers. You go back and look at the Miramax library, banger after banger when Harvey Weinstein was... Because... Quentin Tarantino? Yeah. I mean, it's just like, the wildest movies from the wildest dude. You know, who was clearly a sex addict.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  He's like, "If you wanna be a lead in Pulp Fiction, you're gonna suck these balls in my thighs."

• 1:08:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean... It's fucking wild. And he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If this happened in the 80s, they probably would've thrown it out. Yeah. But in the Me Too movement, they were, it was a hot witch hunt. There was a lot of people that got in deep shit.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Dude, look into the dude from that 70's show who's in prison for life. His appeal's coming up. Look into that one.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  He had like, that was like three, three chicks, right?

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Three chicks, they, and if you look at the appeal, they, they, it start off with, oh, he raped me and drug me out, and then it, then it went to, he held a gun to my head, like, it's all, they keep changing their stories. That one's wild. That one's wild.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  That one's wild.

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  You've been following the Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing?

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Bro, Blake Lively, talk about ruining your reputation and Ryan Reynolds.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they fucked up. Ryan's trying to get out of it now. He's trying to get out of the lawsuit, and they're like, you are a key part of this.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  This is what you get, though. This is what you get, trying to fucking ruin a guy's livelihood by, by using the Me Too movement?

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Because they were trying to take over the movie.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  They were trying to take over the movie and the whole franchise. He owned the franchise.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  They're fucked, man.

• 1:09:21Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing's crazy.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  They're fucked.

• 1:09:23Joe Rogan?

  And he's suing the New York Times, and he's got a great case there, too.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  He's going hard in the paint. But that's what it takes.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  It's what it takes.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  It's like Johnny Depp.

• 1:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  He's like, alright.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  He did it for the boys.

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. You gotta do it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  You need real motherfuckers to be like, nah, man, I ain't going out like this.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, especially a guy like that. It was like, known as being like this really sweet, nice guy.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  And then he's like, alright, enough.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  He posted the receipts?

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  He's like, oh, remember our text exchange?

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  How about she told him to, you know, to come into the dressing room while she was breastfeeding?

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  The fun ass.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  And then, part of the complaint was that he came into the dressing room while I was breastfeeding. Like, you literally have a text exchange back and forth. They just never thought that anybody was gonna come out with the receipts.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Cause no one's ever done it, cause everyone's just bowed down.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Cause everyone's scared. Because Rile Reynolds, A-list, Blake Lively, A-list, like, don't, they're the queens.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Oh, that's Ty Keteen.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is it over?

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, we missed it.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Ah, god damn it. It's 2025, that shit's over, man.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Keteen up against the cage.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  We're terrible at this.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've been talking about Harvey Weinstein's nuts in his thighs. We missed the, the favorite get choked out.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Close guard, Keteen.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get a coke real quick. You want one, Whitey thing?

• 1:10:25Joe Rogan?

  Nope, no thank you.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  I'm gonna take a piss really quick. Alright, I'll wait for you to take piss, we're not all gone.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna miss you Eddie.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  It'd be cool if we grabbed me a coke, right? Like I got you.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Go grab a coke Eddie! Oh wait till he's out there.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  That'd be cool.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I haven't seen that up there yet.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  One, two, three. Oh, that's a belt, bro. That's Gordon Ryan belt, motherfuckers. Right there.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's badass.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Prominent position.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  That's a, that is a prominent position.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that looks awesome.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  You two pulled up in some shit today. Your new car, that fucking truck. Jesus Christ.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that car. What is it?

• 1:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a Shelby Super Snake.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  What year?

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh, 24.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  First one I've ever seen.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  How much horsepower does it make?

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  830.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  830, yeah. Ooh.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Coyote 500. So fun.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Is it manual or...?

• 1:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course. What am I, communist? It's manual.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Well, they don't make the GT500s in, uh...

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  I know, but they make the Super Snake in that. Which is why I bought it. I would've bought a GT500, but there was one company that was doing a swap. They were doing a six-speed swap on a GT500. I almost bought that. But then, uh, I thought about it. I was like, I don't want any Frankenstein cars. Like, I don't know how this works.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Can get a little dicey, warranty, yeah.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Weird shit, cuz, you know, it's not designed for that. But the Super Snake is designed for it. Ooh, it auto blips on the downshifts. It's nice.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Sounds nice.

• 1:11:37Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, it sounds like war. It sounds like a real American muscle car. But it's modern. So it's like, it has all the feel of a muscle car. The lurch when you hit the gas. A boom, fucking giant power, great handling.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Great handling, the brakes are great.

• 1:11:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also real comfortable to drive. Suspension is beautiful.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a great fucking car.

• 1:11:55Joe Rogan?

  And it just fucks.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  It's so good looking.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so fun. I love it. I love it. It's, it's such an American car.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  Bro, I was at Mecum yesterday. You should see some of the shit people do with those cars, man. It's wild, man.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  With Mustangs?

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, with everything?

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  Ev- I mean, the Mustangs for sure, like the old, the 60s, all that shit.

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Dude. And when they, the resto mods?

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  I'm just sitting there like, bro, I want it all.

• 1:12:17Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's a problem.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I want it all.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Cars are a real problem.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  We're talking to three guys here, real car problems.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I, I had a budget, like they cleared me to buy something, and I've never bid on anything. I went fucking nuts, dude.

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  What'd you get?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  I got, it's for the good way.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you got a Jeep, right?

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  I got a Jeep. I went nuts, man. I tackled my manager. I didn't know what to do. I was so nervous. I was so fucking nervous. Cuz there's, there's like big bollers, like there was a guy, I went to the Kissimmee one, there's some old, I have no idea what he did. He was next to me in... 12 minutes, probably spent 7 million dollars in cars and didn't give a fuck.

• 1:12:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  And I was like, bro, you just won that GT40. How are you not, no fist pump, nothing?

• 1:12:56Joe Rogan?

  That's yours?

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  That's mine.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Night, what color is that? It's like a purplish pinkish?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a pinkish, but it has a 392. It's the last call edition, brand new, less than 200 miles.

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  That looks good.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Look, I tackled my fucking manager right there.

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you were right there when it happened?

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I was on ESPN, I didn't know. I was so embarrassed when they told me I was on live TV.

• 1:13:17Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Those 392 Jeeps are sick.

• 1:13:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're great.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Brigham has a lifted one. They're awesome.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm gonna toss some King Shocks on that bitch, a big Magnum blower.

• 1:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Classic American car. I mean, the Jeeps look exactly like Jeeps and they have like that for, they look updated, but it's kind of like a 911.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  That's what I was just gonna say, like Porsche, they never change the body style, so they have this Colt following. You know what's the most Googled truck in the world?

• 1:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I believe it.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Wrangler.

• 1:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  They have like a Colt following.

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  Also, there's so much customization available for those things, because they've been around for so long.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  They're like Lego cars.

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't go wrong.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  So much shit for them.

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Can't go wrong with that.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  What, um?

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Ever see the America's Most Wanted Jeeps?

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Oh, where they toss the Hellcat in them, the demons and shit?

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  They put 1,200 horsepower in those bitches.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  That's my shit.

• 1:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they do up the suspension and, and, you know, map everything out, perfect.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Were you gonna get one or no?

• 1:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Still, I'm too busy, too, too many things.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  I love my call, y'all get some bullshit, like a Ford Excursion, my Hummer, I toss a power stroking, I call him, I'm like, cool, cool, and he tells me what he has, I'm like, oh my god.

• 1:14:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's one. Look at that, that's 1,000 horsepower.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  That has the hell in, in, in, in, this thing's a wild.

• 1:14:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they make some wild ones.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  260s.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Are you gonna get the new ZR1?

• 1:14:31Joe Rogan?

  I want to, I should, but I shouldn't, but I will.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  I already, I already put the order, order into spec one.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  You had the SF90 on order, didn't you?

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's still coming. No, still hasn't gotten here yet.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  You should just get the ZR1 instead.

• 1:14:43Joe Rogan?

  The other one's going to my wife.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  His wife's driving 1,000 horsepower Ferrari, all black.

• 1:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't, I just stopped, kind of stopped driving automatic cars. Unless it's my Tesla.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  What's your favorite car to drive?

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Don't say the fastest.

• 1:15:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, um, the Tesla if I want to get there quick.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  If I want to get there quick.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  But you want people, you know.

• 1:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Unplugged performance.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Flipping you off and shit.

• 1:15:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, they're Nazi.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  You don't want them drawing Nazi signs on it?

• 1:15:14Joe Rogan?

  You don't have too much of a problem with that in Austin.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  You know what's weird is, you know me, I can't stand electric cars, but now that the libs are like, I'm like, oh shit, I might get a Cybertruck. I wish a motherfucker would.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, just cause.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  I wish I'm.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Just cause.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Oh, now I want one. Now you fucked up.

• 1:15:27Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  I might get one and swap a diesel in it so it looks like it and they don't know, just so they fuck with me.

• 1:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. People have done that. They've put V eights. They've dropped V eights in Teslas.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  It's a lot, it's a lot of work though.

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  It's also why.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  You're basically just tossing, you gotta pay for the Cybertruck and I'm gonna have to pay for it. It's a disaster.

• 1:15:47Joe Rogan?

  Rich rebuilds did one.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  And then it's just slower.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's silly.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's all about speed though, you know? When people tell me that, I'm like, ah, you ever driven like a fucking water cooled fucking, you know, flat six Porsche like stick?

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  No, no, of course, of course.

• 1:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  It's not all about.

• 1:16:02Joe Rogan?

  Especially the air cooled ones.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, the old ones. It's just not all about that.

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  Especially those old ones are so light. You feel everything. You're dealing with a 2,000 pound car. Even if it only has 250 horsepower, it's so fun.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  It's different.

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  It's so, it's so different. It's like a, you're an amusement park ride, you know? It's like.

• 1:16:21Joe Rogan?

  It's just like.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Like it feels like you could die at any point, but then you look down and you're doing like 35 miles an hour.

• 1:16:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Like my Hummer, it's not the fastest, but fuck it's cool, man. Yeah, fuck, there's nothing like it.

• 1:16:32Joe Rogan?

  I forgot you got a Hummer. What's in that thing?

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  Uh, six O Powerstroke, fully built.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Aren't there?

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  Big ass turbo.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  Aren't there electric Hummers now?

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Those are great, man. The new GMCs, those are fucking great. Red Band has one of those. It's fucking awesome. They crab walk.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Crab walk, yakin', parallel park like this and shit.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  Does it have any problems with it? I heard the charging some, has some issues.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  They've had a lot of issues with them, yeah.

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  No, he hasn't had any problems with it.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  They'll figure those out though.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he loves it though. It's fast as shit too for a big ass fucking truck.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  They're so fast, so heavy, so fast.

• 1:17:01Joe Rogan?

  But huge. It's an enormous truck.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  You think they're gonna start making less electric vehicles now that Trump's in?

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  They're already doing it. They're already doing it.

• 1:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Here's the problem with electric vehicles is the number one problem. Resale, terrible. Porsche Taycans, they sell them for like, you know, what is a, like a Taycan Turbo S?

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  One sixty?

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  They sell them like a year later for like seventy.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Two hundred.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  They lose so much value.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  Jimmy, I lost my uh.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Crazy value.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Why is that?

• 1:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Because nobody wants to buy a used electric car because the range drops off. So like, say if you buy a Corvette, right? You buy like a two thousand, you can buy a two thousand seventeen Corvette, like a ZR one, they're still really expensive.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Super expensive.

• 1:17:40Joe Rogan?

  Is ZR one a manual from like two thousand seventeen? It's like.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Three hundred grand right now, right now.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  But Joe, think, think about a better comparison would be, think about like your, your Ford GT, a two thousand and six.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  They're five hundred grand minimum now.

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's a different, because that's like a classic, it's twenty years old.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:00Joe Rogan?

  But a new car, say like, say if you get like a new AMG GT. And you know, it's a twenty twenty five, you sell it next year, you're not gonna lose much money. If you sell like a Ferrari, you'll lose no money. Like if you buy a Ferrari today and you sell it in a year and you got a thousand miles on it, you'll make money.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Porsche make money.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  You'll make money. But if you have a fucking electric car, like Audis, those Etrons, those are sick.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Even Tesla Plads.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Sick cars.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Tesla Plads, I can get cheap.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine um got one of those and he got like a year old one for like seventy grand. And brand new, it's like a hundred fifty or something like that. It's crazy.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  Why not just get like a new battery or something?

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a big problem.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  So expensive.

• 1:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Swapping batteries and they still have battery, like for the most part, like you're not driving two hundred and fifty miles. If you have a plug at home, if you plug it in at home, you have a supercharger at your house, which I do for my car, it's great. I just get it home, plug it in, it's always good to go. And it gets like fully charged, I think my car gets like three hundred and fifty miles if you drive like a grandma. But for normal day to day, you just stick it in there, you never go to the gas station, it's awesome.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  See, but fuck all that anyways.

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Road tripping it, it's like.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, as long as you're not road tripping, if you're road tripping it, you gotta really map it out, especially if you don't have a Tesla. Because then you have to find all these other random super stations.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  But like my Hummer, I have a fifty five gallon diesel tank in the back. I fill that bitch up maybe once every three weeks. Like it, it gets good gas mileage, I can go on long road trips.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  There's a few great options that aren't Teslas. One is Lucid, you've seen Lucid Air.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  They make them like super high end.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Eric Griffin has one.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Does he really?

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're very nice.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  That bitch shut down on us in the parking lot, but yeah, he has one.

• 1:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  We couldn't, we couldn't get out.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  It died?

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  It was like a hundred degrees. I was like, oh, I'm gonna break your car, dude. And he's like, oh, out of all the times that this has never happened, it happens while you're in the car.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  Wasn't there a manual release? Isn't there a manual release to the door?

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  He didn't have that.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. We had to wait like forty minutes.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Isn't there someone about?

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  Come and help it out?

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  No, eventually, uh, he called and they're like, oh, just reset. It was like resetting your phone.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  I fucking hate that shit.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  Isn't there something about like, you know, all the radiation, you're in the car and it's like you're surrounded by...

• 1:20:12Joe Rogan?

  No, that's a good question, like EMF, right? It's a good question because like if your phone...

• 1:20:16Speaker 03

  Is that a real problem?

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  If you're not supposed to have your phone by your head, you're not supposed to have... Yeah, I mean, your whole car is a big ass phone. I don't know.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  That's why the people...

• 1:20:24Speaker 03

  That's a real problem?

• 1:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh, uh, according to people like RFK Junior and many other people, don't think that you should have earpods, ear pods in, like not... They say you should have the wired ones only, and even those are not the best thing to have. You should just listen to things like on a Bluetooth speaker.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  But also, the people vandalizing Teslas, there could be a worse car to vandalize because there's cameras fucking everywhere in that thing.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  360.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Bro, so many people are going to jail right now.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  And if you don't have a Tesla, you don't really know that like, if you're like it within twenty feet of the car, it's recording you.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Sentry mode. Yeah. Seven cameras.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  It's so wild.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Fully HD cameras, see your face. There's so many guys who got busted.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Have you seen that?

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Fat liberals, he's...

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?

• 1:21:08Joe Rogan?

  They're never in shape.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  There was one guy who, who was rubbing shit, like he would like...

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Grab his ass?

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  Like grab his ass cheeks and then like just rub, rub it all over the door.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  That guy was looking for an excuse to rub shit on things.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  He probably goes home and jerks off with his own shit. Yeah.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  Oh, you haven't seen them?

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  Dude, Tesla has tiny homes. They're like, like trailers, but like super high tech with, with solar panels. Have you seen those?

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  But not that Tesla has one?

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Tesla's got mini homes.

• 1:21:40Joe Rogan?

  No shit.

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  Have you seen this, Jamie? The mini homes?

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  They're not made by Tesla, though.

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  Oh, it's not? No, no, it is. No, seriously.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  I'm looking.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  The one, the one, the one that I've seen, I just saw it a couple of days ago. It's Te- Tesla.

• 1:21:49Joe Rogan?

  He sure wasn't like an AI-generated thing? No, no.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  Tesla has solar panels.

• 1:21:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have Tesla's solar panels for your roof. Toner, Tesla's mini homes.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  That's not real. If that's what it was.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  That shit gets Callan though, Eddie, don't worry. That's not real? Yeah, it gets Callan all the time. Yeah, this fucking AI, they get me, man. I asked Elon like five times, you making a phone? Why do they keep getting these AI X phones? It's fake. There it is. That's fake? Click on it.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  It's from two years ago. It's not real.

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Click on it though, let's see what it says.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Dude, AI. I know it's fake. AI is getting so good. Callan, let's see what the fakeness is like. Callan thought Conor McGregor was in the movie Popeye.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  It's just like a YouTube video with a.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Damn, they got me good. Callan, dead serious. So they show a little house?

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Well, there's Boxable. That's.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I know about that. Like, that's real, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you could buy a house for 10 grand now. If you're just like a single dude who has a plot of land, just park that house with solar, you, you could literally live off the grid in a little bullshit house.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  Like that, is that what?

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  And then you get Starlink? Is that real? No, it was like a little, it was like, it was a pod, like a, like a, like an egg. It looks like an egg.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  It's AI, dog.

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Wow, they got me good. Those little tiny houses you could buy, like if you were just a dude living by yourself and you're like, I don't need nothing. If you're young, it'd be dope. Yeah, man. They're not expensive. Like you, like somebody leaves you a little plot of land, you got a couple acres somewhere.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Every man's dream. You know, one, a one bedroom house with a 40 car garage.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  Sit on your front porch and say, fuck the world. I own this whole thing. I own this. No mortgage? Yeah, no mortgage, $10,000 house, and it's nice. It's like, what do you need? Do you need a kitchen? Do you need a TV? What the fuck do you need? If you're a single guy, you need a bed, you need a TV. Unless you're trying to get mad pussies. If you're trying to get mad pussies, then you need. That's where you're fucking up. You need a long driveway. You need fucking lights everywhere, you need a fountain. All the dudes are like, this is dope. The chick's like, good luck, man. That's not a panty dropper. No, no, no. A tiny house is a no-go. No, no, yeah, no. Like, why do you have a tiny house? Like, what do you, what's, what's going on? How much do you have? Can I see your bank account? Yeah. How much do you make? Are you gonna be able to feed my babies?

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  A bunch of videos.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  That's, that's it.

• 1:23:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's a bunch of videos from a few days ago that this is all just nonsense.

• 1:24:02Joe Rogan?

  All AI generated. That's interesting.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  Wow, that right there, that's what I saw.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  That'd be a dope podcast to do to put in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  What that, well, what?

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's amazing.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna say that that's necessarily fake, but that's not a, A, it's not a house that someone could live in. That's like a couch, you know?

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  It's a suicide pod, Eddie. Yeah, it's a little drug den.

• 1:24:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's exactly what I saw. And it's like a little five-minute mini documentary commercial. And they go deep into it.

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they got you, man. These AI things are nuts, man. I haven't been fooled yet. Yeah, I've, I've seen AI things with my own voice on them. Like, wow, this is crazy. And I know it's fake.

• 1:24:38Speaker 03

  You know, speaking of, speaking of fakery, when you had Mel Gibson on your podcast the other day, he, he brought up the Shroud of Turin. And I always thought that was fake. Cause like in the eighties.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  What is that, Eddie?

• 1:24:49Speaker 03

  The Shroud, it's like the, the cloth that Jesus was buried in and left an image of it. And in the eighties, like nineteen eighty-eight, they did carbon dating on it. And they go, oh, it's fake. See that?

• 1:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it literally has like the image of Jesus burned into it somehow or another.

• 1:25:07Speaker 03

  I never looked into it. I just figured it was fake. But listening to you and Mel Gibson talk about it, I'm like, what? Is there?

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, apparently it's a lot older than they assumed when they did the first testing. And one of the problems is Holy shit. There's cross-contamination. There's also been repairs to it. But they did subsequent testing and they found that it was like two thousand plus years old.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. And the one thing, the one thing, it's the most, it's the most studied artifact ever. Like particle physicists, nuclear engineers, they all studied it. And they, some of them, some believe in it, some don't believe in it, but they all agree on one thing. No one knows it, how they did it.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Right. No one knows how they made it.

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  There's no paint, there's no dye. So dude, all this week, dude, all day, I'm just watching documentary after, after podcast on this shit. And it's fucking mind blowing.

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's pretty crazy. If it turns out that they can't figure out how anyone could ever do it. Like if no one has come up with a theory of how to do that today.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  That's where it gets really interesting.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  There's this.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't paint and it wasn't dye and it wasn't.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  They all agree on that.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't burned.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  They all agree it's a mystery because but then the people, the skeptics say just because we don't know how it was done doesn't make it real. Which is, which is a good point, but then the other side's like, dude, all these scientists have no idea. How they faked it, it's gotta be real. So it's, it's all about how you look at it.

• 1:26:32Joe Rogan?

  I lean on the side, be real.

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  There's a nuclear engineer.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  That'll be the most fun.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  There's a nuclear engineer, you can go on YouTube, his name is Roger, uh, Robert Rucker. Watch his breakdown. This guy's a nuclear dude, he's breaking down the photo. He, he, it's, it's insane because it's a negative image on a non-photographic, uh, material. It's linen.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  And then it turns out, like if you look at it with the naked eye, it's white and then you see the image of the face is kind of like yellow. You can barely see it, but in like 1898, some photographer took a picture of it and then flipped and then looked at the negative. And then all of a sudden in the negative, the whole body appears, front and back. Cause he was buried like with a, uh. Recieve the images, Jim? He was buried with the, the sheet under him and it went around his head. That's, that's the back of him. Cause he.

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The right one's the back and the left one's the front. That's crazy.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  No one knows how they did it. No, no scientist.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  The holes where the wrist would be nailed?

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fucking crazy. That was the thing with, with Jesus with me is very hard. It was always very hard to believe in Jesus. I'm like, dude, the resurrection, like, that's a harder one to wrap your brain around, right? I could believe that he existed. I could, I could believe that he got crucified. A lot of people got crucified. But the resurrection was always the thing that kept me from really believing in Jesus. I'm like, there's no way that resurrection was real.

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  But even if this is real, Eddie, it doesn't mean he was resurrected, right? It just means he was crucified and he was the actual real man.

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  No, the, the thing is, is how the image got on, it's just, the people that believe that it's real, believe that when he was resurrected, some kind of ultraviolet radiation, some kind of burst made that image. Cause that's, because that image has never been on any other shroud. People get buried in shrouds all the time. There's never an image like that.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Pretty crazy.

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  And the crazy thing is the blood, there's no image under the blood. So the blood was there first and then the image is after. It's crazy shit. Dude, I'm like, I, I went deep down a rabbit hole all week just watching the skeptics, the scientists, particle physics, they, they have no idea how the fuck that image got on the front and back? The back of them too?

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  It's pretty weird. Did you see the thing, uh?

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  It's crazy dude, it's crazy.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Apparently there's some structures underneath the pyramids they just found? Yeah, we were talking about that the other day.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  How have they not looked at that before?

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, the fuck? They don't know whether or not that's legit or whether these guys are jumping to conclusions. A lot of people are calling bullshit and saying they jumped to conclusions. A lot of people are saying that it really, you can't tell from those images, like what they drew in the, you know, the 3D image where they drew everything and made a model of it. They're doing a lot of guessing. So they're gonna, they're gonna do more testing though.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  There's definitely something under there.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Someone starts digging.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Something is under there.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Something's under there and it's massive. And if these guys are correct that it goes down two kilometers, like, help me. Explain that, explain that with any conventional wisdom.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Aliens?

• 1:29:33Joe Rogan?

  That's more than a mile into the earth. That's fucking nuts.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Like what is, what does that mean? Like what, who did that and what was the purpose of it? Cause there's a guy named Christopher Dunn that thinks that the entire, uh, Giza Pyramid, the big one, the Great Pyramid was a power plant.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  And he has this whole schematic that he mapped out, like this is how you would generate hydrogen. You would have something underneath the surface, under, under the, underneath the ground that was causing a vibration, a pounding. And then this, uh, reverberation, this, this vibration would go through the entire building because it was all made out of limestone. And then they had these channels, these paths that they would fill with chemicals and they would go into what's called the King's Chamber. And this porous limestone that would allow the chemicals to leap through, to leach through and that would create hydrogen.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  God damn.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so, I mean, I'm doing, I'm butchering it. I'm sorry, Mr. Dunn. But if you listen to his ta- take on it, and he's an engineer, he explains why the pathways and everything, this is exactly how you would do it if it was some sort of a power plant.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  But whatever it is, it's like, I don't think that it's a tomb. I just, I just don't think that makes any sense.

• 1:30:41Speaker 03

  Remember your bit where you said, "I bet people used to be really smart, but the dumb people just out-fucked the smart people. Ten to one at a staggering pace." Remember that shit?

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:51Speaker 03

  Man, I mean, uh, the pyramids for sure are a mystery. Like, how the fuck did they build those? And now finding out what's underneath them, like, fuck, who knows? Go Beckley-Tepley. There's all these mysterious, uh, architecture everywhere.

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  But it's everywhere.

• 1:31:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, everywhere.

• 1:31:10Speaker 03

  Everywhere, every city. Like, these cathedrals, like, think about, power tools were invented in the 1890s. And they're talking about these insane cathedrals all over the world.

• 1:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Carved out of stone.

• 1:31:22Speaker 03

  With no power tools?

• 1:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  How the fuck did they build, like?

• 1:31:26Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen that one in India? There's, there's a few of them in India, but there's one that's all carved out of stone. They didn't bring any rocks there. They don't know where the stone went.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  It's all insanely intricate and carved out of stone and fucking massive.

• 1:31:43Speaker 03

  And they're everywhere, dude. They're everywhere. South America, Asia, China.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Look at that. Bro, they carved that out of solid stone.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  They might have just been bored as fuck, though.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  Look how tiny the people are down there.

• 1:31:54Speaker 03

  There's not shit to do back there.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Bro, do you know how long that would take?

• 1:31:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hundreds of years, they don't have shit to do.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  But look how spectacular the craftsmanship is. Spectacular. And no one knows how old that is. It's like, take a guess.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  So, so, you, you're, back to your bit, people used to, dude.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  Might get offended.

• 1:32:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's probably accurate.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Molly McCann's getting choked. Shit.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  She needs to win bad.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  Dude, have you heard, uh, have, have you heard?

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  She's getting choked.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's getting choked. Well, the hands aren't locked yet. She has a two-on-one on the support arm. She keeps turning.

• 1:32:25Joe Rogan?

  She's got a good grip on that shoulder cap, though.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, now she's fucked. Now she's fucked.

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  She looks fucked.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Now she's fucked.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Nope, she's gonna get out of it. She's out of it. She's out of it.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  But it wasn't good that she had her hand underneath the jaw that easily.

• 1:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  She only got forty seconds.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Whenever she fights, the crowd's just cheering and she's getting beat up.

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's so tough. She's so tough and she's such a gamer.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  It's just not enough.

• 1:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  Oh, that's the, that's it.

• 1:32:53Joe Rogan?

  That's it, that's it, that's it.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  She's lost what, four out of five now?

• 1:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if, if that proves to be true and there really are these massive structures underneath the pyramid, they gotta change everything.

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  There's, dude, there's past civilizations that were super highly advanced. There's gotta be. I mean.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  You know what I have a hard time getting into, but I, I, I, every now and then I'll dive into it? Giants.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  Giants too, dude. Giants. That's another one.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of. They're moving all that shit? Well, I don't know about that because I think you need a lot more than giants to move those fucking stones. You, you, you need some kind of crazy technology because giants don't explain the engineering. It doesn't explain the, the precision that was involved, like whatever they did, they were, they were moving eighty ton stones from five hundred miles away. And through the mountains and there's no roads and no one knows how they did it. There's no explanation.

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  Did your Instagram algorithm fuck you up with the, the giant AI videos?

• 1:33:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I saw those. Giant guys, giant, huge seventy foot dudes carrying giant stones like jacked, shredded. You know, I, there's a lot of reports throughout the ages of giant human beings, you know, and it, look. What's a giant? Nine feet tall, ten feet tall? That's a fucking giant. Like a race of nine foot, ten feet tall people and there's all these stories about like bones that were giant bones that got transported to the Smithsonian, but they covered it up.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  And I assume they don't live long because they're so big, so they probably just eventually fell off.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  I think it was, I think Robert Wadlow was, uh, eight foot eleven. He's like on record the tallest.

• 1:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, and he had like a serious disease.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Now imagine a foot taller than that guy jacked, but just a different kind of human being.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  Bro. Have you, have you heard of the little season that's in the, in the Bible? They talk about the little season?

• 1:34:33Joe Rogan?

  No. Let me get a coke.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Well, the, the, in the Bible, it talks.

• 1:34:36Joe Rogan?

  You didn't get a coke, huh?

• 1:34:37Speaker 03

  I know. I asked you when you were leaving to get a coke.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sorry.

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Did you want one?

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm good.

• 1:34:44Speaker 03

  In, in the Bible, apparently, you know. Your average Christian thinks tribulation is coming, right? Jesus is gonna eventually come, right? Tribulation, we're gonna be judged, right? And then there's gonna be a 1,000-year millennial where Jesus returns and rules for a thousand years and all the resurrected apostles are gonna be kings and they're gonna rule this realm that we're in. That's what the tribulation, Jesus returns, a thousand-year millennial, this is in the Bible. And then after the thousand years, and then during those thousand years, there's a guy named Paul Stobbs I had on my podcast, he told me all about this. He's on YouTube, Understanding Conspiracies on YouTube, Paul Stobbs, he's amazing. He's talking about, so that's what we're waiting for.

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  Jesus returns, he rules for a thousand years, he's the king of this earth. And then after the, and then while those thousand years are going on, Satan is chained to the lake of fire, so there's no Satan, it's just Jesus and his apostles ruling. And then after the thousand years, this is called the little satanic season, it's in the Bible too, I checked, Doc. The little season where Jesus unlets Satan go and then Satan rules this earth and he influences all the nations. And it's called the little satanic season. And that, and the purpose of that is to test people, like where, and there's a, there's

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  a theory, there's a theory that he already ruled for, he came back in the apostles' lifetime and ruled, they already did that, a thousand-year millennial, and now we're in the little season right now, doesn't it seem like Satan?

• 1:36:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  Is like influencing all the nations? Doesn't it seem like an evil world?

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like evil has always been a part of the human race. There's always been people committing genocide. There's always been evil. There's always been people that justify murder for money. You know, bombings of fucking apartment buildings.

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  I sent them a link, like a two-minute video.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Jamie, can you play this real quick? This guy explains, it's really... And then you'll see all the structures. So that explains... So there's a theory. There's a theory that it explains all these structures that were built by angels.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you gotta wonder when you get back to that Zacharias Sitchin stuff. Because one of the things about this whole Anunnaki thing was that they were giants. And the big theory is that the giants bred with human beings, which probably means some sort of genetic engineering, like taking existing primates and turning them into human beings.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, if you... I mean, those are the most fun. Those are the most fun. The idea that we're visited by an alien, an alien race, and this alien race is far superior, and that they used us as slaves to mine for gold. Those are the most fun theories.

• 1:39:10Speaker 03

  Um, did you get that link?

• 1:39:12Speaker 05

  Yes, well, it's twenty-two minutes long.

• 1:39:13Speaker 03

  No, just probably like two minutes.

• 1:39:15Speaker 05

  I know, I'm trying to find a good spot.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  No, right in the, right, it's right.

• 1:39:18Speaker 05

  What is their mechanism supposed to be? Where in the beginning?

• 1:39:22Speaker 03

  Oh, no, okay, so right, like, right at one minute.

• 1:39:24Speaker 05

  That's how it's.

• 1:39:25Speaker 03

  Right at like one minute, you're right, like one.

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  It's just showing videos, though.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  No, no, no, but there's talking over it, there's a narration over it.

• 1:39:31Speaker 05

  So try it now.

• 1:39:32Speaker 07

  About Paul, why are you doing this? Just stop, stop it, isn't, it's clearly like, this is too much right now. Just stop.

• 1:39:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, you just kept tumbling me, it just kept hitting. No, I thoroughly loved it, um, I've, I've talked about it to a hundred people. Uh, you know, everybody I know, I'm like, uh, you know, there's a theory out there, and I did not have no clue what I'm talking about. So please, if you have Tom.

• 1:39:58Speaker 03

  This video is called The Little Season Theory Number One, and the YouTube channel is Understanding Conspiracies, The Little Season Theory Number One. It's just so good.

• 1:40:08Speaker 05

  He just has no idea what he's talking about, though, too, do we, should we?

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  Now, just go, start it right there.

• 1:40:12Speaker 05

  This is such an Eddie Bravo subject. Today to walk me through this?

• 1:40:16Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 1:40:17Speaker 07

  Okay, I'll try and cover most bases.

• 1:40:18Speaker 05

  Sounds like Bryce Mitchell talking.

• 1:40:20Speaker 07

  Um, I'm not going to be able to thoroughly explain every single nuance today in like two hours. It's just, it's just not going to happen. What I, well, I'll try my best to do in this talk is give a foundational overview of most of the talking points involved around this theory. And it's a working theory, I'll bear that in mind, we're still figuring things out. There's multiple options for certain sections of this theory where, where it could have gone, so I'll try my best to relay as much as I can. But the basic premise to work off here is that what most modern Christians are waiting for today is the return of Jesus Christ after the tribulation. And we all have our eyes on the signs, we're trying to discern the signs around us, trying to determine who the Antichrist will be, what the mark of the beast will be.

• 1:41:05Speaker 07

  All of those things, we're kind of looking for them and waiting for those signs to happen, which will be the signs of the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds, okay? Which would be tribulation, judgment, and then obviously. A millennial reign is what people are waiting for and they get to people get to live with Christ for a thousand years, as it says in Revelation 20. So people are pretty adamant, we're living in that time, we're living in the time just before tribulation. It's just around the corner, it's just about to happen. Okay, that's what people are pretty adamant where we are, that's the mainstream thought of not only conspiracy Christians, but just mainstream church sanity. That is the view of modern Christians, we are in that time.

• 1:41:46Speaker 07

  There've always been other views out there which say, you know, well, you know, it's a spiritual kingdom and we're living in it now, you know, and that goes on forever and ever. And there's no physical kingdom and all these other things, you have amillennialists who believe that type of thing. And what this theory says kind of blows it all out of the water. It's a completely new take on the situation. And there has been a worldview called preterism, which was created a while ago. And I think about about 1600s by, I think it was, people say it was a Jesuit. It may have been a Jesuit, but this theory we have today is not preterism, classically so called. It's kind of a, it's something else.

• 1:42:27Speaker 07

  And then a lot of people who don't like this idea will attack preterism. And think that's what we're talking about. Most preterists, even they believe it's a spiritual kingdom. And we're not saying that here, this is, we're talking about a real, physical, tangible thousand years where Christ reigned on earth. This theory posits, it's all already happened. We're not living in the times just before tribulation. We're living after the thousand year reign of Christ. He's already been on earth, he has reigned for a thousand years on earth with his resurrected saints and the elect who survived through tribulation.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't there be a record of that?

• 1:43:05Speaker 07

  And

• 1:43:07Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't that make, doesn't that make sense that Christians would document that?

• 1:43:10Speaker 03

  He goes over like, why, why, uh, if there was a record and we knew, then this wouldn't be a test, that wouldn't be a reason for the little season. The little satanic season, he let Satan out, he unchained, there's a dude, there's a, a, a painting of Lucifer. And he's standing, he looks just like the fucking Statue of Liberty. And he's got a chain, like a shackle around his ankle with a broken chain. And it's a famous painting of Lucifer and he's like this, right? And then you look at the Statue of Liberty, that's not a woman, that's a dude. And then, and it's got a fucking, a shackle around its, its.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was a strong chick.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  With a broken chain.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Statue of Liberty has a shackle around its ankle?

• 1:43:52Speaker 03

  With a broken chain, just like the famous.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Find the painting of Lucifer.

• 1:43:56Speaker 03

  Just punch in Lucifer Statue of Liberty.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  So much fun.

• 1:44:01Speaker 03

  The Statue of Liberty is not a chick. That's not a chick.

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  It's not a chick.

• 1:44:06Speaker 03

  That's not a chick.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  It's a trans dude. I thought you had, I thought you had a strong jaw. Strong jaw and some.

• 1:44:11Speaker 03

  Nose.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, some boobs, man boobs.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  Look at that, that's a painting of Lucifer, right?

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:44:17Speaker 03

  And you think that's a chick?

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  Go to the full, full painting. France just trolling us though.

• 1:44:21Speaker 03

  Look at the chain, he's got a.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Damn Lucifer's dick is gone, he's got the Harvey Weinstein.

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Go to the, the. There's a chain. Look at it, right there, boom, look at that.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:44:32Speaker 03

  Look at that, that's the, the foot of the Statue of Liberty, broken chain with a shackle.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  But Jesus, I mean Satan has two arms up in there.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  It's, I mean.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  No, I don't know, I don't know, this is just crazy conspiracy talk. The chain is really identical.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  It's basically the Elon Musk, my heart goes out to you.

• 1:44:49Speaker 03

  Yo, yo, yo, I'm gonna say this, dude. Jesus is Lord. Still framed somewhere on, uh. I'm all in dude, I'm all in, I'm all in with, with all this. With the shroud of Turin, I'm all in, man.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Lucian, they conveniently cropped the image to make a false point, oh, and that image, yeah. And that right there. They look pretty fucking similar.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  No. Two arms, one arm. Look at the chin. Dude with an arm up in the air. Arts, I mean, they modeled it off of something. They didn't just create it out of thin air usually too. You think that's a chick? No, no chicks have that big ass body. It does, the Statue of Liberty, the arm is huge. Look at that forearm. That's a jacked forearm. The fucking hands. Yeah, it's a dude's hand, dude's arm, dude's face. Dude's nose. Dude's nose, yeah. Statue of Liberty doesn't look like a guy, but it does look like it kinda has boobs. And he's holding up a. A torch. A torch. Lucifer, that's the god of. Is there boobs in the Statue of Liberty, like legit boobs? So get a full view of the Statue of Liberty. She's cheeked up? Did they, did they give her some implants later in the day? On a Thursday afternoon? Did they pump out the copper? Did they get under the copper and heat it up?

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've never seen it close up, man. I've never seen the boobs. The thing does look trans now that we look at it. Now that we look at it. France is like, ah. It could be keying a Tesla. It could be keying a Tesla right now. Okay, so here's the full image of it. Yeah, it doesn't look like it has boobs. That does not look like, well, that right one looks like a little bit of a tit. That looks like a tit. Could be gyno though. Could be gyno. Could be gyno. Ancient steroids.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Damn chick, man. God damn, Eddie, why you fucked that up for me? I don't know, man. Pretty crazy. I don't know. I've, I've been going down rabbit holes. France wanted the Statue of Liberty back? Yeah, that looks like a chick. They said, give it back to us. You guys are bad.

• 1:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. And then, uh, the lady who's the White House Press Secretary is like, you're lucky we're not speaking, you're, you, you guys would be speaking German if it wasn't for the United States. That, that, that's, Press Secretary's a savage, huh? Every day you wake up, it's like, what, it's like, what now? But we needed France to beat them in World War I. That's a fact too. France lost like some insane percentage of their population in World War I. Some, I think they lost 25% of their male population, their 18 to 25, or 18 to 30 male population in World War I and another 25% in World War II. They, they paid heavy. No one paid a heavy price in Russia. Russia. No one talks about, they don't teach that in schools. Russia got fucked up. They, they lost 20 plus million. Yeah.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  I mean, Russia's been through so much, just the amount of people that got starved by Stalin. France provided crucial aid to the American colonists during the Revolutionary War, including military support, financial assistance, and naval power, ultimately contributing significantly to American victory and independence. Yeah, they've helped us through everything. Yeah. So, I, I think it's stupid that we hate France. I don't get it. I think it's stupid that we hate Canada too. I don't get that either.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Canada needs to get their shit together though.

• 1:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have terrible government, but

• 1:47:49Speaker 01

  But he's out, right?

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Canadian people are awesome.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, Canadians are awesome.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the new guy is like more of the same.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  And then they have to have a vote. And when they have a vote, then that Pierre Polivet guy

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  Is he one of Fidel Castro's sons too, or what?

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  No, he's not.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  When is that vote?

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  He's a conservative. They don't have the same thing over here. Like it's November 4th. Like with them, they get to decide when, when there's gonna be a vote.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  When they've had enough.

• 1:48:08Joe Rogan?

  They'll like, they'll like call it in three weeks. Three weeks, we're gonna have a vote. Like, I don't even know when or how. I don't know how their system works up there. They got a squirrely system up there. It's, and they just keep losing rights left and right. I mean, what they did during the whole trucker convoy thing was nuts.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  That was, that was crazy.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Like full-on communist bullshit.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  There's people still in jail.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's people that lost their bank account that only donated to the truckers.

• 1:48:35Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy. They froze their money.

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  But I mean, that was, that was kinda the start of like them stopping all the crazy shit.

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was kinda, a lot of people woke up.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  The protests?

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like, once, once the truckers did that and they started shutting bank accounts down.

• 1:48:48Speaker 01

  You're fucking with real dudes.

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Across like all of North America, they were like, okay, maybe we should kinda

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, truckers, truckers are real dudes. They're like, hold up.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  Hold the fuck up.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  A lot of dudes who woke the fuck up because of that.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  Thank God.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Because they're so polite up there. They're so nice and polite in Canada that it's like

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Till they're not.

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  Till they're not. But it's easy to kinda like, you know, get them thinking, this is the right thing to do, eh?

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then the next thing you know.

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  Have you seen the DMT red laser light thing?

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  I've heard about that.

• 1:49:18Speaker 01

  Yo!

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  I heard it's nuts. Have you done it?

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  No, but I've seen a bunch of videos on it. Apparently you do, if you do DMT

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  And you shoot a red laser, I sent Jamie a video, have you seen it? Shoot a red laser, you see the matrix, you see code.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  And everybody sees the same shit.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Everybody, not only that, but if you like get above the laser and you look down.

• 1:49:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  You see layers of code.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, check this out.

• 1:49:42Speaker 05

  Also, Chase Hughes, I just saw a video of him saying he saw it too.

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is on Chase Hughes. Is he a famous scientist or something?

• 1:49:48Speaker 05

  No, he was just on the podcast, though.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  This guy was? Yeah, he's a mind control expert that explains psyops and how.

• 1:49:55Speaker 05

  Seen it on Instagram and I heard you and Danny talking about it, so you've done it. Yeah, I saw it on Instagram and flew Danny to my house right away. I like break this down for people because it's got shared amongst my group and it's like, what the fuck? Exactly, and that's the only question you're still gonna have after you see it. It doesn't answer any questions, it just invites a lot more? Yeah, nothing else, there's code, absolutely, there is code. So the code's not like spinning there, it's like, it's literally kind of written out, static? It's static, I can move the laser up and down and see all of the letters. But it's like three dimensional, so I can get close to the wall.

• 1:50:38Speaker 05

  I can look down inside of the laser that way and I can look up in the laser that way. What's your best guess at explaining that? I would be a fool. Okay, I love, we can just leave it at that.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Can somebody write the code down?

• 1:50:52Speaker 05

  Consciousness that we're projecting.

• 1:50:54Speaker 03

  They just discovered this?

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, I bet some eggheads probably are right.

• 1:50:58Speaker 03

  I know, I know the guy who discovered it, man.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:51:00Speaker 03

  I don't know him personally, but Brandon McCaffrey, one of my black belts, he knows him personally, he goes, dude, if you, you ever wanted to do your podcast, I could make, you know, I'm like, hell yeah.

• 1:51:08Joe Rogan?

  Let's pay attention to this fight.

• 1:51:10Speaker 03

  It's a great fight. That was, that was seeing the matrix when you're on DMT with a red laser.

• 1:51:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Speaker 03

  How crazy is that?

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Any laser?

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  It's like a red laser, there's a bunch of videos on YouTube.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  Is it like a specific laser?

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Or one of you could do it with a green laser too?

• 1:51:26Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Or it's just like any laser?

• 1:51:27Speaker 03

  I don't know, but there's video of a bunch of people, that's just one dude, that's like the most, you know, all the other guys are like stoner dudes, you know what I mean? I wanted to show like this dude, he seemed to have a little more, uh.

• 1:51:39Joe Rogan?

  Intelligence.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  Intelligence a little bit, or a little believer-ability, you know?

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 03

  But everybody sees the same shit, they see the fucking matrix, the numbers, the code, isn't that fucking?

• 1:51:52Speaker 03

  Life changing?

• 1:51:53Joe Rogan?

  Did you, you saw that Tom Campbell interview that I did, right?

• 1:51:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I loved that one. That was one of my favorite ones. Yeah.

• 1:51:59Joe Rogan?

  That one's nuts. When he's explaining to you that consciousness creates reality.

• 1:52:03Speaker 03

  I, you know what? I never really took the simulation theory seriously, but uh, you know, I, I, I always believed, like, Jesus is a new thing for me. Like, the, the Schrader trend, that, that ma- I'm all in now with the Schrader trend. But before that, I was like, I don't know about Jesus, maybe, but I believe in God and I believe in a creator. Like, whoever created this shit is God.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 1:52:25Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Gunner Nelson, Kevin Holland.

• 1:52:27Speaker 03

  There must be code on how God created this.

• 1:52:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:30Speaker 03

  So that, that, you know, I think science, like the simulation guys, they're finding what God created. Like, who else could put this simulation together but a God? Who else?

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Here's the craziest theory. You know, AI is about to become sentient, and then they're gonna do quantum computers with AI? What if that's how Jesus comes back? What if Jesus reemerges?

• 1:52:55Speaker 03

  And he's just this voice, right?

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Created consciousness.

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  And he's on an app.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  And you can just talk to him.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  By that time, it'd probably be able to communicate to your fucking head. You mean, they, they've already figured out how to put signals into people's heads, put voices in people's heads. They can have, they can literally have things, say things to you, or you hear voices in your head.

• 1:53:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  They have that technology. And if quantum computing gets attached to AI, and then it figures out how to make better versions of itself, like, what does that mean?

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  But isn't that similar to like MKUltra, what we're doing to compromise people?

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's different.

• 1:53:30Speaker 03

  How's it different, though?

• 1:53:31Joe Rogan?

  Cause MKUltra, they were just trying to manipulate people with acid, and they were doing all sorts of different psychedelic drugs and, and doing it on people without them knowing.

• 1:53:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  But also trying to get them to manipulate them, so they can get them to do things, like try to kill the president or something like that. Which they still do.

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they have to still do.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  There's no way they stopped doing that. And I guarantee, if you could, if there is a conspiracy theory about that kid in Pennsylvania tried to kill Trump, oh, went to the ground, Gunner got him down.

• 1:54:00Speaker 03

  Kevin, Kevin's lost four hours last five.

• 1:54:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're gonna put a triangle on him.

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 1:54:04Speaker 03

  Kevin is a black belt, but not Gunner Nelson black belt.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Gunner Nelson's so legit.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  If he can get you scrambling on the ground, Kevin's in trouble.

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  Look at that. Dude.

• 1:54:14Speaker 03

  Damn, if he opens his legs, he's gotta put, he's gotta put a grip together around that arm, right there, just, if he put a grip around the arm, oh.

• 1:54:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, he's hanging on that arm, that can't be good for his shoulder.

• 1:54:25Speaker 03

  It's, it's over now, he's not gonna be able to hold on, all he had to do was just grip, S grip, under the armpit, and that was a wrap.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  This is a tiring, this is a tiring position though for Gunnar, he's holding his entire body weight off his floor.

• 1:54:35Joe Rogan?

  It's tiring for Kevin too, though, his legs are gassed out here for sure, and now he's out.

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  Gunnar's a weird one, cause he's not active, you, you know what I'm saying, like he doesn't fight a ton, he's busy with his gym.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time he was there?

• 1:54:45Speaker 03

  Oh, look at that, another try.

• 1:54:45Joe Rogan?

  Three years ago, I think, Joe, it might be two, but maybe three. He's getting in there.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, Gunnar's not scared to get in there.

• 1:54:53Joe Rogan?

  No, he's not scared.

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  And eventually you're gonna get tired.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  Who, who gave Kevin Hall in his black belt?

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Travis Luter.

• 1:54:57Speaker 03

  Travis Luter, yeah. Oh shit, okay.

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a Texas boy, Fort Worth.

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  That fight was two years ago, almost, exactly.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Two years ago. How old is he now, Gunnar?

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  He's gotta be thirty-six.

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He was so good, when he was at the top of his game, his jiu-jitsu was off the charts.

• 1:55:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, considered one of the best jiu-jitsu players.

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  Beat Jeff Monson, remember that?

• 1:55:16Speaker 03

  I forgot that one.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  Monson was fucking huge.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, MMA wise, he just never got over that hill like the top contenders, he's just not active enough.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  And his striking is just not the same level as the elite guys.

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, although he does have a good style, that sort of karate, Robert Whitaker type style.

• 1:55:37Speaker 01

  I think he just got busy, like he has his school, it's like in the side of a fucking mountain.

• 1:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. In Iceland.

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  He's an interesting dude, man.

• 1:55:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, super talented. Remember he was part of Connor's camp for a while there?

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  That's right, yeah.

• 1:55:50Speaker 03

  Oh shit, can opener.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  Old school. I have always liked Gunnar Nelson.

• 1:55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is, uh. Big, big Thor told me he rolled with Gunnar, I, I know he's rolled with you, Gordon, he said he got absolutely destroyed.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:05Speaker 01

  He said he rolled with Gunnar and he couldn't understand it, cause he was like, I understand Gordon, he's so big, he's like, then I rolled with Gunnar Nelson, he fucked me up too.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  I watched a video of it the other day.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  Oh really, is that a video of Gunnar?

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, Thor just has like, he's, he's like, has no grappling experience.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  Zero, zero.

• 1:56:20Speaker 03

  Who's Thor?

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  The Strongman, the mountain?

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  The giant dude, he's like six nine.

• 1:56:26Speaker 02

  You know who's competing in jiu-jitsu now, is that guy Martins?

• 1:56:29Speaker 01

  Oh Martins?

• 1:56:30Speaker 02

  Yeah Martins, yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  He like did that one, when I rolled with Thor, he was also there, and he like wrestled in high school, so he was like a little bit more with it.

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  Better base.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  And he like, just like, he's like been training jujitsu and competed.

• 1:56:41Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Like he just won his first tournament.

• 1:56:43Speaker 01

  Good for him. He's made a handful for those guys. Imagine Brian Shaw started getting into jujitsu.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  I taught him a private when he came here. That was interesting.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck dude, that's like a, that's a giant.

• 1:56:54Speaker 01

  So, yeah, he's a giant.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's like a legit.

• 1:56:55Speaker 02

  I made him drill Big Dan. I was like, I'm not touching either one of you.

• 1:57:02Joe Rogan?

  That's a good way to get hurt. Look at that, oh! Oh shit, fucked it up. Scrambled.

• 1:57:07Speaker 01

  It's really greasy.

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  Got slippery, got slippery.

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  Kevin has that X factor.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice knee to the body.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  That was a nice knee by Kevin. That hurt.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  This pace and so.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 1:57:17Joe Rogan?

  Six seconds to go.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  Oh, he got some, he got some.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh man, he's in trouble. Two, one, and.

• 1:57:22Speaker 01

  Let it go. Oh shit, that was a big punch.

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  The haymaker at the end.

• 1:57:26Speaker 01

  Uh oh. Damn, they let it go.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at him, he's wobbly.

• 1:57:30Speaker 01

  Super fucked up.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  He's wobbly.

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  They're not gonna stop it.

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's gonna start on the feet. Gunner's in trouble, yeah. Yeah, he's in trouble.

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  Good for Kevin, he needs a win, man.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he does. It's been a while. He just fights so often. No one's more active than Kevin. But this is 170 finally.

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  What's his season streak? Two? Lost four in his last five. I think he's lost three in a row.

• 1:57:51Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, he's so much better at 70. I know he doesn't like the weight cut, but it's 70, so tall and long and dangerous.

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  Remember, he beat, uh, Humboy, who did the spinning back, uh, Joaquin, Joaquin Buckley? Yeah, Joaquin Buckley at welterweight.

• 1:58:04Joe Rogan?

  He lost two in a row?

• 1:58:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, three out of four.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Hamzah and who else?

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  All four out of five.

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Rene De Ritter, right?

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  He's lost four out of five.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. De Ritter versus Bo is gonna be interesting.

• 1:58:14Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, it is.

• 1:58:15Speaker 01

  Bo better fucking wrestle, dude, I'm gonna freak the fuck out.

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I was so impressed with what that guy did to Holland. I was like, that's impressive. Because he just manhandled him, yeah. Manhandled him and went to the ground.

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  His grappling is good. He can, I share with him.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  RDR, yeah.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Gunner looks like he's still in a little bit of trouble.

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, RDR was a two division champion at one championship, like he's no punk. If Bo Nickel gives us bad striking, I'm gonna freak the fuck out.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  Kevin Holland's fought seven times since Gunnar Nelson's last fight.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Correct.

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, uppercut. He got him with that uppercut.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  He also had a good grappling match.

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nasty punches to the body by Holland.

• 1:58:49Speaker 01

  He also went against Cade in one championship. Just straight grappling.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  If Gunnar can't take-

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Who did? Yeah.

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  How'd that go?

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  Uh, he got submitted, I think.

• 1:58:58Joe Rogan?

  If Gunnar can't take Kevin down here, he's in trouble.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  Didn't see that one.

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:04Joe Rogan?

  Gunnar is not able to take Kevin down this round. He's gonna be in trouble.

• 1:59:12Joe Rogan?

  And also, you gotta think Kevin Holland's hungry right now.

• 1:59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, cuz he still wants to be a champion.

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's tough. At 70, though, he could do it.

• 1:59:22Joe Rogan?

  He can do it at 70. He's just gotta be super focused and stay at 70. This hopping up and down and, you know, getting losses at 85 against... Deritter's like 220. He's a big fucker.

• 1:59:34Speaker 01

  But also being that active, it's tough to compete with the biggest guys that... It's just tough to be that active.

• 1:59:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  And be a top guy. He fought comms at an 85?

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. He got manhandled.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  On like a three-hour notice.

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. That was when Nate Diaz and him were supposed to fight, but Hamzat came in eight pounds heavy and Kevin Holland stepped up and said, "I'll take it."

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  And Hamzat just fucking-

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  And Kevin was supposed to fight, uh, D-Rod, remember?

• 1:59:58Speaker 01

  Yep. Which is a great fight.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Gunnar's trying real hard for this takedown, man. Burning off a lot of fuel.

• 2:00:06Speaker 02

  Nice spiral, nice spiral.

• 2:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Almost has it. Oh, good D.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  If he would've kept stepping inside, he would've...

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  He had it, yeah?

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  If he cut a circle a little bit better.

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta be fatigued right now. You know, two-plus minutes into the second and got beat up at the end of the first, which takes a lot out of you.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  He almost had his hands lost.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Such a big factor. You know, you think about perceived skills-

• 2:00:29Speaker 01

  Oh, come on, Gunnar.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  You think about perceived skills versus current level after a guy gets rocked. You know, you think he's still the same guy that he was early in the fight, but when he got rocked, man-

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  Oh, bro, you're out of it.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  Well, look at Makachev and Olivera.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  Like, he clipped him and then, like, immediately passed his guard and finished him.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Yep. Or even Ankaliyev and Pereira, second round, he gets rocked. And then he's kinda not the same after that.

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  Trigger shy, yeah.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Much more defensive after that.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  Forgot the game plan a little bit, kept getting his back to the cage.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I saw a good breakdown of Ankaliyev's stand-up against Pereira. It was very high level.

• 2:01:07Speaker 01

  Super impressive.

• 2:01:08Joe Rogan?

  Especially taking away the front hand, cir- he's doing this circular motion with his hand and taking away angles.

• 2:01:17Speaker 01

  Apparently they'll run that rematch back.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we got him down. Almost.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 2:01:21Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna run it back, I'm sure. They have to. That's the big fight in that division. And if Pereira can come in healthy. Oh! Oh, we got him down. But he's another one. He's too active.

• 2:01:31Speaker 01

  Too active. But he's smart too, cuz he's 36, 37. He's like, I gotta go, man. I gotta make as much money as possible.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  He's done that. He's made, become an all-time great in, you know, three years, which is crazy.

• 2:01:42Speaker 01

  You give a 10-8 first round? Gotta be 10-8, right?

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to say because Gunner had him down for a while.

• 2:01:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean-

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  Known judges, I doubt it.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  He had him in Oma Plottham, too.

• 2:01:52Joe Rogan?

  He did rock him at the end. Yeah, I count those. And unfortunately, they don't count. Like, near submissions. I think near submissions are big.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  I'm with you, Eddie.

• 2:02:01Speaker 03

  If they're close, it should be 10-8.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Like Olivera versus Armand Sorukian. I feel like Olivera almost had him a couple times.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  And what?

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  He had him. What did he have? An Adars? And was it-

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  Adars Guillotine?

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  If it's cinched up, if you have something cinched up-

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  The shame about that fight-

• 2:02:18Speaker 03

  Even a triangle.

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  The shame about that-

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  That fight should've been five rounds. That's five rounds, Charles probably wins that. You, but yeah, I think so too. Maybe. I mean, who knows?

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Who knows, but he would have a better chance.

• 2:02:28Joe Rogan?

  But if you count, like, near submissions as, like, much more points-

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  You get no credit.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  You don't get credit like you do if you rock a guy. But it is, it's, it's, you're close to finishing a fight.

• 2:02:39Speaker 01

  But to that same point, like, with Alex Pierre defending 12 takedowns. 12 for 12, you get no fucking credit? The guy attempted 12 takedowns, you couldn't do it. That guy gets no-

• 2:02:50Speaker 03

  Who should get credit?

• 2:02:51Speaker 01

  The guy defended the takedown.

• 2:02:52Speaker 03

  No! You don't get credit. You get credit for, like, not getting hit?

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, you get a little bit.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  A little bit.

• 2:02:59Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 2:02:59Speaker 03

  I don't think you should get credit for defense.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  The big credit is the submission attempts.

• 2:03:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, for offense. You get points for offense, not defense.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  He's going to it again.

• 2:03:08Speaker 03

  Can you imagine? You get points for escaping an arm bar? Like, that would be retarded.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  That'd be dope.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  See, this is interesting, right? Because Kevin was doing a lot of damage at the end of the first, but a lot of it was on the back. And then here you got Gunner takes him down after unsuccessfully taking him down for like three minutes and he's doing something. He's on top.

• 2:03:29Speaker 01

  Oh, he won this round.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but no- nothing's happening.

• 2:03:32Speaker 03

  Did he get it really?

• 2:03:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:34Speaker 03

  You get a takedown?

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that wins the round.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  But you know what I'm saying? Like, nothing's happening. He's not getting any damage.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Kevin didn't do anything.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  True. Yeah.

• 2:03:40Speaker 01

  So, so they sit back and go, alright, nothing happened. He took him down.

• 2:03:43Speaker 03

  You give it to Gunner, for sure.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:46Joe Rogan?

  But it's not as good as like a guy rocking you.

• 2:03:49Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:50Speaker 03

  Exactly. There's a difference.

• 2:03:52Speaker 01

  I feel like the whole scoring system is fucked.

• 2:03:54Speaker 03

  Both those rounds are not 10-9s. The second round's a 10-9, first round, how is that a 10-9? He almost knocked him out. He barely survived. They could have stopped it right at the end. He got saved by the bell.

• 2:04:05Joe Rogan?

  Like boxing, right? When a guy gets dropped, it's automatically a 10-8.

• 2:04:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:10Speaker 01

  Guy's in trouble, 10-8.

• 2:04:11Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a good move.

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  When a guy gets dropped. But then you got, you know, fights like where a guy gets dropped and gets up and drops the other guy, like, you know.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  And it evens out.

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 2:04:21Speaker 01

  I think even rounds are okay. Like, sometimes they're so close.

• 2:04:24Joe Rogan?

  More comprehensive scoring system. I think the whole 10-9 is crazy because we just took it from boxing. And we're like, okay, that's a established point system for fighting, but you're using it with something that has all these different elements. Takedowns, submission, octagon control. There's so many more factors in the name of a fight.

• 2:04:44Speaker 01

  People scoring it. These judges, half of them don't know what the fuck they're looking at.

• 2:04:47Joe Rogan?

  That's a good fight. Moreno and Ursay, that Ursay guy almost beat Panto.

• 2:04:51Speaker 03

  That's uh, we- we're doing EBI in Mexico City the next day. So, that's Saturday, next day, EBI 23, the featherweights with strikes. We're bringing back strikes in EBI.

• 2:05:02Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:05:02Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Strikes or combat jiu-jitsu?

• 2:05:05Speaker 03

  Combat jiu-jitsu.

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  So, slaps?

• 2:05:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, combat jiu-jitsu.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  You could punch the body?

• 2:05:08Speaker 03

  It was born in EBI.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Can you punch the body?

• 2:05:10Speaker 03

  You could punch to the- you could strike to the body. Just, you could strike anywhere.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  Punch.

• 2:05:14Speaker 03

  Not punch. Strike. Open hand. Yeah.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  Boss room style.

• 2:05:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's next Sunday on UFC Fight Pass.

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Practicing their body strikes? Are they like working on that? Oh, Jesus.

• 2:05:26Speaker 03

  They should.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Kevin's so dangerous in the clay. He's hitting him with hard body shots, man, in the clay. Oh, elbow over the top. Oh, knee.

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  Good knee.

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  Kevin's gotta go for broke. Because he probably won the first round. I think he won the first round for sure.

• 2:05:43Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Second round, no. So, this is it. And Kevin needs to win. He's landing some uppercuts. Oh, gunner's in deep. Gunner's in deep. Oh, he's out of it.

• 2:05:53Speaker 02

  The... His hands locked anymore on the buddy.

• 2:05:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we got him. He got him. He got him. Full mount, full mount. Oh shit. Here it is. Kevin's in trouble.

• 2:06:06Speaker 03

  I don't know, some full mount, third round.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  Grapevine in the legs. He rushed in the back taking the first round though. He should take his time from here.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  Yep. I mean...

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  He's got time. Take his feet off the cage.

• 2:06:15Speaker 03

  The fact that he's not...

• 2:06:16Speaker 02

  Take his feet off the cage.

• 2:06:17Speaker 03

  The fact that he's not digging for underhooks right now, uh, is kinda scary.

• 2:06:21Speaker 02

  Oh, he should've took his feet off the cage.

• 2:06:22Speaker 03

  Yep. Like, why, why won't you immediately go for the underhook?

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:27Speaker 03

  That, like, what, what was your plan in the mount?

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  Underhook's gonna at least take his feet off the cage. That's what got him out. You're not supposed to dig your toes in the face.

• 2:06:36Speaker 03

  Gordon, Gordon, if you were in the mount right there, you would immediately grab the underhook and underjack to like an arm triangle, right?

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, underhook, underhook. Well, the first thing is to circle his feet off the cage. Cause that gives him... You're saying circle him to the center of the octagon? Well, just circle his feet towards the center. Yes. Because the bridge off the cage just gives you immensely... Correct.

• 2:06:52Speaker 03

  Totally, but, but, besides that, underhook, underjack, arm triangle, right?

• 2:07:02Speaker 03

  Oh damn, look at that. He's gonna knock him out with that. He should really...

• 2:07:05Speaker 02

  Knock Chocareau out from the bottom.

• 2:07:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:07:07Speaker 02

  From guard.

• 2:07:08Speaker 03

  How about Henzo on Oleg Taroff?

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that upkick. That was the first time we saw like an effective upkick.

• 2:07:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then Jerry Bolander on, um...

• 2:07:17Speaker 02

  He's gonna pass him here.

• 2:07:18Speaker 03

  I know, uh, Marillo Bustamante, or Fabio Jorgel...

• 2:07:21Speaker 02

  He's passing him. He's got the back. He's got one hook.

• 2:07:25Speaker 03

  I think there's probably like ten. Oh, there it is.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  Arm triangle.

• 2:07:28Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  He's gotta get his right knee across to Kevin's left hip.

• 2:07:32Speaker 03

  He's gotta mount him. Just, he's gotta pass the guard.

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  He's gotta get his left knee across to his left hip.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  He's gotta pass the guard.

• 2:07:37Speaker 02

  Can he not apply enough pressure? Within half guard? It's hard from half guard.

• 2:07:40Speaker 03

  It depends if he has a good lockdown or not. If he had a good lockdown, he would survive, but he's just gotta... Why he's not passing the guard here, I'm not sure.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  It's also hard for him to dismount from here because the cage is in the way. Even if he does mount him.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  There it is, here it comes.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Okay, so now he's gonna try to either mount him or move to side control. But he's kinda like, he's kinda wedged in place by the cage.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  He should be able to.

• 2:08:03Speaker 03

  There it is, here it comes, here it comes. He's probably just, he probably knows what's up, he's just waiting to, uh, catches his breath. Oh, should not take the back.

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  The back roll, Kevin's out, that was nice by Kevin.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  That was really nice.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  That's why you gotta mount, that's why you gotta.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  Gunner should have switched back to a tight waist when Kevin went to roll out.

• 2:08:22Joe Rogan?

  Kevin should break free here, he should break free here and start teeing off on him.

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  Gunner held on to the arm triangle too long?

• 2:08:30Speaker 03

  He should have mounted it in my, in my opinion, like, like, all arm triangles, in my opinion, should be in the mount. Once you start going side control, there's too many escapes, the escapes are too easy.

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  Well, he should have at least set it better for mount, like, it wasn't set, like, he should have mounted him.

• 2:08:43Speaker 03

  Oh, shit!

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  Kevin's gonna come at him hard here.

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he is. He's got to. She can't get taken down.

• 2:08:52Speaker 02

  Oh, another knee.

• 2:08:54Speaker 03

  Damn, this is gonna be a hard one to score.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Super hard to score.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Trying to go for a D'Arcs.

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  It looks like it.

• 2:09:02Speaker 03

  It looked like he thought about it.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's looking for it, for sure. Disengage, Kevin. I know, right? Especially now, he's got double underhooks.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  His hands locked.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  And he had times to disengage, and he's got an advantage in the striking. Huge advantage. But also, like, so exhausted at this point in the fight.

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's probably trying to rest.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Total strikes, Kevin, one hundred and thirty, Gunner, twenty.

• 2:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Gunner's gonna win it.

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  You think?

• 2:09:41Joe Rogan?

  Unless Kevin catches him, three seconds to go.

• 2:09:46Speaker 03

  So 10-9, 10-9 Gunner, but then 10-8 in the first round? What is that, a draw?

• 2:09:51Speaker 01

  No, you do 10-9 Hall in first round.

• 2:09:54Speaker 03

  It's gonna be a draw.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  10-9.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  If they gave him 10-8 for the first round.

• 2:09:59Speaker 03

  The guy was saved by the bell. How do you not give him a 10-8?

• 2:10:01Joe Rogan?

  No, I agree, but it doesn't mean that the judges agree. The judges are goofy. Judges are goofy.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  It all depends.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  It depends.

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they hand out 10-8's enough.

• 2:10:11Speaker 03

  Do they still have Adley Bird? Does she still work?

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. It's a good question.

• 2:10:15Speaker 03

  She was awesome. She was the best.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. What is this movie?

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  For what movie?

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  This is a truck?

• 2:10:26Speaker 05

  It's a Ram, yeah.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Woman in the Yard? No, it's a movie. Only in theaters Friday. Oh, you're looking at something different?

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, you're on delay. I was like, that's a truck commercial?

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, are you looking at like ESPN Plus's different commercials than?

• 2:10:39Speaker 03

  The new rapper coming out?

• 2:10:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, weird.

• 2:10:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have a... I have a different commercial right now, too.

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how weird.

• 2:10:45Speaker 05

  I have like, uh...

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  So it's different commercials depending upon where you look?

• 2:10:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's weird. It's both my... They're my accounts, too, so...

• 2:10:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have a hiring to recruit at.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  So I think Jan's next. Yes.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Jan Olberg next. So what's the guess?

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man. Give us some volume, Jamie?

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  I think Gunner takes it.

• 2:11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, Gorn has a good point with all the control Gunner had with these judges.

• 2:11:18Speaker 03

  Draw. Draw.

• 2:11:19Speaker 01

  No, I think they give Gunner.

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Could be a draw.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  I think Gunner would split.

• 2:11:22Speaker 03

  Either it's a draw or Kevin Hall wins.

• 2:11:26Joe Rogan?

  Gunner split.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's Gunner.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 2:11:36Speaker 03

  Told you.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Good for Kevin, man.

• 2:11:42Speaker 03

  They gave him that third round.

• 2:11:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, damage.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't have him.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Legit. He did all the damage, even though Gunner had control of him. He did the dam...

• 2:11:50Speaker 03

  He did have an arm triangle.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Arm triangle, yeah.

• 2:11:52Speaker 03

  And he did take him down.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but Kevin definitely did more damage to him.

• 2:11:55Speaker 05

  Almost had his back a couple times.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, true, true.

• 2:11:58Speaker 03

  I think it should have been a draw.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  It could have been a draw.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  I mean, Kevin looked surprised when they announced him.

• 2:12:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:11Joe Rogan?

  Good for Kevin. He needs it.

• 2:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's saying I knew it could go either way.

• 2:12:19Speaker 01

  Kevin at 170, that's, that's his spot.

• 2:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's his spot.

• 2:12:23Speaker 01

  He's beat some good guys.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  He, he's got legit championship potential. How about a rematch with him and Joaquin Buckley at 170? That would be crazy. You know? Is Joaquin Buckley the guy that did that crazy kick? Yeah, bro, he's a monster at 170.

• 2:12:35Speaker 01

  No problem.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  At 170, he's a monster.

• 2:12:37Speaker 01

  He beat the shit out of Koby.

• 2:12:38Joe Rogan?

  He's so motivated, too. Koby Covington? Yeah. Kevin Holland?

• 2:12:44Speaker 01

  Um, no, Koby got his ass whipped by... Joaquin.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Joaquin Buckley. Forgot about that fight. How did that go down? Knockout?

• 2:12:51Speaker 01

  He just beat the shit out of him. They stopped the fight. Defend the takedown, just beat the shit out of him.

• 2:12:55Joe Rogan?

  He beat the shit out of him. He's, he beats the shit out of everybody. Yeah. 170, he's a monster. Koby Covington? Yeah, they stopped the fight, yeah. Recently or early in his career? Recently, a few months ago. Damn, I missed that. Koby's last fight. Joaquin's a real problem at 170. He's super motivated, amazing genetics, super explosive and fast, but like, very disciplined. Gets better every fight. Crazy cardio at 170.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  Especially that being that muscle bound.

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  That muscle bound, but it's his work ethic, man. He's got crazy work ethic, you know, and did you see that video he made for Bilal?

• 2:13:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  It's like, he was like explaining like, "You got what I want." Like, his whole thing, talking about his life, what he needs, taking care of his grandmother, like, he was like intense.

• 2:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  He's like, "I'm coming for you, boy." It's intense. That's, he's a real threat at 170.

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 2:13:45Joe Rogan?

  But I would love to see that. She coming back? No, she's done. She got boobies now.

• 2:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  That's the man. Remember when he fought Ryan Hall? No one knew who he was. Oh, yeah. You know? He smashed him. Duck.

• 2:14:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say, what would you say Gordon, like 80%, 85% of UFC fighters uh, aren't ready for the high, high level leg locks, right? That's a Brian Hall came in and he would just leg lock dudes. They weren't quite ready, cause, cause MMA fighters aren't really, um, uh, training. They're not focused on Jiu Jitsu at the high level. But then, but, but see, and Brian Hall was, he ripped through some people with leg locks.

• 2:14:27Joe Rogan?

  Even BJ.

• 2:14:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 2:14:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then he hits, uh, Toporia, how do you say his name?

• 2:14:32Speaker 01

  Toporia.

• 2:14:33Speaker 03

  Toporia.

• 2:14:33Speaker 01

  Ilya.

• 2:14:34Speaker 03

  That was the first guy like, oh shit, this guy knows how to defend leg locks. Like, who is he, who's his coach? He's got a...

• 2:14:41Speaker 05

  I'm not sure.

• 2:14:42Speaker 03

  It's famous guy.

• 2:14:43Speaker 01

  Ilya?

• 2:14:45Speaker 03

  Yes, he's been, he was working with, um, someone legit, uh, maybe it was like Balance Studios or something, I don't know, but, uh, that was, uh, sometimes you're gonna run into guys that you cannot leg lock, and when it's all greasy.

• 2:14:59Joe Rogan?

  But, but also you get to a certain level where guys can stop your game at leg locks, and if you don't have striking, you get exposed.

• 2:15:07Speaker 03

  He was well versed in, uh, Poria, uh, how do you say it again?

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  Toporia.

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  Toporia. Brian Hall's had like nine surgeries.

• 2:15:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Over the la, like, maybe more, didn't, yeah, Josh Waits can...

• 2:15:19Speaker 05

  I think it was 23 is what I looked up.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:15:22Speaker 01

  He's not that active, I know he's turned down a lot of matchups too.

• 2:15:25Joe Rogan?

  What is he getting surgery on? That's 23 times.

• 2:15:27Speaker 03

  Is he still fighting?

• 2:15:28Speaker 05

  He's having problems is what it was.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  Ryan Hall's still fighting?

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  He's still under contract, but he, I know he's turned down a bunch of fights.

• 2:15:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:33Speaker 01

  He's probably like, nah, man.

• 2:15:34Speaker 05

  19 under general.

• 2:15:35Speaker 03

  I like his style. I like it.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  19 under general anesthesia?

• 2:15:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  He's put out 19 times?

• 2:15:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:15:41Joe Rogan?

  That can't be good for you. You get put, put to sleep 19 times? 19 general anesthesia surgeries, some procedures need to be redone due to complications.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  Holy fuck, man. What, what is, what is his injuries? 21 general anesthesia surgeries since that fight.

• 2:15:58Speaker 01

  Sorry, nineteen, there were two prior. That's crazy.

• 2:16:02Speaker 03

  What happened to him?

• 2:16:03Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  They kept having issues.

• 2:16:05Speaker 01

  ACL.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-one general anesthesia surgeries, uh, I got fallen on, tore my ACL, had to fix a planter plate, got fallen on again, had to have a tightrope surgery on that one, uh, that Pat Mahones and a couple other people have had. ACL got infected, had a couple of septic arthritis, tightrope was actually allergic to the hardware they put in me somewhere, somehow, uh, had to have that redone. It's been interesting, but back on the end of it, on the back end of it, rather. Wow. That's crazy. Boy.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  Wow. I had no idea.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  That's so many surgeries.

• 2:16:41Speaker 03

  I thought he retired.

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. How many surgeries have you had?

• 2:16:46Speaker 02

  One.

• 2:16:47Joe Rogan?

  Just one?

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, my LCL. Yeah, I've been injured a lot, but just one surgery.

• 2:16:51Speaker 03

  Was that from a leg lock?

• 2:16:52Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  Eddie Cummings?

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  No, um, Eddie broke my ankles a bunch of times, but, uh, that was when I competed against Jual Rocha. I was going for a leg lock entry and he was like two seventy and he jumped towards my head.

• 2:17:04Speaker 03

  What happened to Eddie?

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  Dude, I don't know. He just like disappeared one day and then apparently he was like training, like pretty recently at Enzo's and, uh, Unity, but, uh, he just like stopped training jiu-jitsu forever, got a real job, I, I think, and then...

• 2:17:19Speaker 03

  That guy was vicious, man.

• 2:17:21Speaker 01

  So good. So smart.

• 2:17:22Speaker 03

  I was, I was standing over him as he ripped through everybody with leg locks. I'm like, god damn. He was on, he was on some other shit, you know what I mean? He was vicious. And then you hear from, uh, um, his training partners that, man, he, he went hard, right? In the, in the training room? He went after legs and just...

• 2:17:41Speaker 02

  He did get hard.

• 2:17:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  It's weird when guys will get that good and just stop.

• 2:17:48Speaker 03

  When, after he retired, he still put out a couple, like, uh, videos, little, uh, little short instructional on Instagram, and this one he put out for the Z-lock. That, to me, is the best, like, in my opinion, the Z-lock, the one he showed, that's the best.

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna go P real quick.

• 2:18:03Speaker 01

  It's not a sad story if he went on to do something cool that he's wanna do. It's kinda dope that he's like, fuck it, I'm over it. If he, if he went on to make money, he's doing well, you know?

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:12Speaker 01

  Depends what he's doing.

• 2:18:13Speaker 03

  What do you think is the best leg lock? One leg lock. You, you're gonna teach your students just one leg lock entry and one, uh, heel hook. What's it gonna be?

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  Um, well, insofar as breaking mechanics or?

• 2:18:26Speaker 03

  No, like they say they got the breaking mechanics down and just which where's where your the leg's gonna be? Which leg entanglement are you gonna choose? Which one's the best? Obviously, it's not DOA. It's not outside Ashi.

• 2:18:38Speaker 02

  Um.

• 2:18:40Speaker 03

  And not just regular Ashi either. That one's too basic.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Backside 50/50 is pretty good.

• 2:18:48Speaker 03

  Right when you go go, because I hear from backside 50/50 coming in from K guard, right?

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:54Speaker 03

  I hear like from my guys, I'm not like the biggest leg locker, but I pay attention to my guys. And they're saying that the entry into backside 50/50 is awesome, but you don't really generally get the tap there. You there's gonna be some kind of scramble and some kind of spins.

• 2:19:08Speaker 02

  You can, but the guy can high leg over. If you trap the far leg, the secondary leg, then you can get finishes belly down with it, which is why it's a good position. But a good guy is always gonna is always gonna limp leg and and strip the grip. Um, which is why I believe that probably the best position. Um, in terms of not having a guy come forward and crush you or hit you. Uh, and strong catastrophic breaking mechanics is probably uh cross Ashi Garami, your guys' honey hole.

• 2:19:34Speaker 03

  So that's still the best. Um. Double trouble.

• 2:19:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you feed you feed the one leg across, the legs are split, so you have like Achilles lock here and then you dig for the heel. And then you go in and lock up.

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  It's still the best, okay.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  But my highest percentage finish. Um, is that position, but with the leg fed on the outside for the outside heel hook.

• 2:19:54Speaker 03

  That's like Z lock ish, right?

• 2:19:55Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, kind of.

• 2:19:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, so because Z lock is basically double trouble with the outside heel hook.

• 2:19:59Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 2:20:00Speaker 03

  And and instead of uh triangling your legs stomping on the inside.

• 2:20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can go foot to foot.

• 2:20:06Speaker 03

  What is that what you guys call a foot to foot?

• 2:20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:08Speaker 03

  That's huge. That's like game changer right there. And that right there, just the straight ankle lock is the most powerful straight ankle lock from that position right there with it with it on the outside.

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, strong.

• 2:20:17Speaker 03

  Oh, no, the the the secondary leg.

• 2:20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:19Speaker 03

  That straight ankle lock and the Aoki.

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Aoki's strong as well.

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  How crazy are Aokis? Aokis are a lot like dead orchards where in the first time I seen a Aoki, it's from Shinji Aoki, it seemed like he was going for just a straight ankle lock, but dude, I forget his opponent was, but his foot almost slipped out, so it was a straight, it looked like a straight ankle lock that he almost pulled his foot out, but it got caught and twisted.

• 2:20:43Speaker 02

  And it gives you the rotation.

• 2:20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, and everyone thought, maybe not everyone, but I thought, oh, that's one of those, you know, freak things that you don't actually plan for it or set up for it. It just happens. Sometimes they pull out of ankle locks and sometimes like an omoplatas, sometimes when they try to pull out their omoplatas, it gets caught and they tap an arm bar. It's not like you set it up. It's like a freak thing. They tried to get out, but it got caught and then they tap. So that's what I thought the Aoki was, but it turns out, fuck no. That's, it seems like the Aoki is top two leg lock finishes in the grappling world today. It's just people get, because it's so good to counter with them, correct?

• 2:21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, you get, you get, you get good finishes with Aokis. What's an Aoki?

• 2:21:26Speaker 03

  It's an ankle lock, but when they slip their heel out, it's still like, it's like you're going for an ankle lock and they almost pull out their leg and then it turns into a heel hook. So it's half ankle lock, half heel hook. Huge. It's like the most powerful shit.

• 2:21:38Speaker 02

  It's not mechanically as strong as a heel hook though, because when you go for heel hooks, you're physically bridging your hip into the knee.

• 2:21:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:44Speaker 02

  Whereas with Aokis, the knee is turned out, so you're bridging, you're not bridging into the knee in a way to break it.

• 2:21:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  Whereas with like an inverted heel hook, for example, you have a good, strong connection.

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  You have a good, strong connection, but when you go to bridge, you see like, you see how he's not, you see he's not bridging into the hip?

• 2:22:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  So with a heel hook, you're bridging directly into the hip. So it's the, it's a full extension of your body into the knee, so the upper leg is pinned through the leg position. And then your gripping position is what's manipulating the foot.

• 2:22:16Speaker 03

  And, and scroll down a little bit, Jamie, and look at the guy on the, that one on the right, the one you had, the big one on the right, that now we can't see it on the right, that one right there. Can you blow that up? And uh the dude doing the aoki lock, his right leg, the way uh I think people are calling that a shadow hook or whatever, Silverado, he's a catch wrestler, Brazilian catch wrestler, showed me that when I was a white belt. I remember Silverado. Remember, he used to do that. Yeah. He used to do that. And I thought like, ah, this ain't, this is nothing. So I always, I never really fucked with it. But now it's back strong, like Helena Crivars doing this exact thing. This is like her main move. Silverado had a lot of Jean LaBelle stuff. Yeah, it was a catch wrestling thing. Yeah, he had a lot of that.

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  This is the great position because uh like with the guy who's attacking his right leg, usually the guy's trying to peel it off the hip.

• 2:23:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:06Speaker 02

  So when you peel it off the hip, that butterfly hook comes in and then normally you would throw that left leg over. So now you can't step over the, you can't disengage the legs as easy.

• 2:23:15Speaker 03

  And dude putting his right leg there, if he put it, traditionally you'd put it on the hip, that you could get countered with aioke or an aoki.

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:24Speaker 03

  So that's huge, like a regular oshi, everyone's like, I got guys that just let dudes put them in oshi so they could take that foot and, and it's a whole, it's a game changer.

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  And also because the right foot is on the inside position, it makes it hard for the guy in defense, the, the, the defensive guy.

• 2:23:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:39Speaker 02

  To push forward into you.

• 2:23:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:23:41Speaker 02

  It makes it hard for him to come forward because the aoki, you have to push into the lock.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  Put your foot deeper to boot it. Um but the butterfly hook stops it, the butterfly oshi stops you from pushing the foot in deeper.

• 2:23:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh the guy who uh there was, I don't know, I think the first guy to really, really master it was um the Polish guy. So we're, um, what's his name? Uh he found, he's, he, he arm barred Gary Tonin, that guy, what's his name? Matias Szczesinski?

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Szczesinski, that guy.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, everyone talks about him. I had never trained with him, but apparently he was like, he goes around the gyms and he's just been breaking everybody's shit.

• 2:24:17Speaker 03

  Exactly. So it was, and he was doing his legs just like that, you know? It was the aoki with that leg entanglement, we were calling it uh the Polish aoki.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:25Speaker 03

  You know, and uh he's a bad motherfucker, man.

• 2:24:28Speaker 02

  Well, it's difficult because the butterfly hook doesn't allow you to stack. He doesn't allow you to come forward and push your foot deeper.

• 2:24:33Speaker 03

  I'd never forget Silverado showing me that as, as a white belt and I'm thinking, really? Ken Shamrock puts his leg up here. Why would you do that? I was like learning shit off Ken Shamrock. I learned, I got into toe holds as a white belt because Ken Shamrock had this instructional where he's in jeans and no shirt. He's all tanned and yoke. He looked like a Chippendales guy. And he's with some Japanese guy and then he's going over toe holds, like standing over a guy's guard and grabbing the foot and doing a toe hold. And I'm like, whoa, what is he doing with the foot? And I could never get on top of anybody. I was always, I pulled, I've taken down one person my whole life and that was in wrestling. I had one wrestling takedown. I had one wrestle, I wrestled two

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  years, got one takedown. Because I was afraid to break my teeth. Everyone's missing teeth. I didn't want to shoot. I go, you shoot and I'll sprawl. I'm like, you shoot, I'll sprawl. I got a good front headlock now. I got a good front headlock. But I can't, I had zero takedowns. Unless it's a dude that doesn't wrestle. Like when I would, I got in a couple street fights here and I was never, I was always a pussy growing up. I was never a tough guy. But every now and then, you know, I wrestled and I never looked at wrestling as a martial art. I looked at it as pussy fighting. I go, dude, I'm not a fighter. No one thinks I'm a fighter. I don't have a reputation to uphold. But if anybody fucks with me, I'm gonna double leg him and just hold him until the principle breaks aside. You know what I mean? I was like, dude, I was grounding and pounding in ninth grade. I would take dudes out. I fought this one soccer player. His name was Sessad. He was

• 2:26:03Speaker 03

  talking a lot of shit. And I go, dude, he'll probably kick my ass, but he can't stop my takedown. Because this dude don't wrestle. So I take him down and I would just like get side control and like barely punch his stomach and wait for someone to pull me off. And I survived. And then when I saw Hoist fighting UFC 2, I'm like, you could fight on the ground and not be a pussy? That's why I joined jiu-jitsu. I'm like, oh my god, this is my shit. I thought fighting on the ground was pussy fighting. Like, it's accepted and respected and okay. That's what got me into jiu-jitsu.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Here we go. Olberg.

• 2:26:35Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Olberg Janbohovich.

• 2:26:37Speaker 03

  Dude, I'm gonna, dude, I scheduled this. I thought it was gonna be at 1. And I gotta get out of here like in 10 minutes.

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no worries. Let's see what happens in 10 minutes.

• 2:26:46Speaker 01

  My flight got pushed, Eddie. It's at 8 now.

• 2:26:49Speaker 03

  Oh, they, it got pushed?

• 2:26:50Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  I got, mine is at 7.

• 2:26:52Speaker 01

  There you go. Make sure it's on time though.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Bohovic is 42, but it's a Polish 42. That's different genetics, bro.

• 2:27:03Speaker 03

  Is that older or younger?

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Old school Viking genetics.

• 2:27:06Speaker 03

  So if you're a Polish 42, are you older or are you younger? What'd he say?

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  I don't know. Those shoulders are every bit of 42.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Like, what would happen with Yuri? Yuri got his shoulders fixed. No problem at all.

• 2:27:18Speaker 01

  He looked great.

• 2:27:19Joe Rogan?

  He looked amazing.

• 2:27:21Speaker 01

  But then Johnny Walk, Johnny Walk's shoulders fixed and...

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's a lot of damage, too. Johnny Walk has been KO'd so many times.

• 2:27:30Speaker 01

  It's also just such a big jump up in talent for Olberg. He beat Ozdemir, but before that, he really hadn't fought anybody. Now he's fighting Yon.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  You're fighting a world champion. And a guy who's real determined to get back to the belt. You gotta realize, like, he had to a draw with Ankaliyev, almost won the title there, real close to beating Pereira, a real close fight, beat Izzy. You know, he's still a monster. Even though he's 42.

• 2:27:58Speaker 01

  Savage. And he wins this one. He's right there.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Hard low kick by Yon.

• 2:28:02Speaker 01

  He's right there for the title shot.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, he's always the guy that people forget about in this division. One big win over Olberg, he's right back in the hunt. And he would be a logical guy to fight next after Ankaliyev and Pereira have the rematch.

• 2:28:17Speaker 01

  There's a story for either one.

• 2:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, both of them.

• 2:28:20Speaker 01

  Ankaliyev majorly because it was a draw, yeah?

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's fucking dangerous, too. I mean, that power's the last thing to go, and Yon's got ridiculous power. Remember that rock hold KO? Like, jeez.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  That was like a murder.

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he's a... How about the fucking Dominic Reyes one?

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  He like ran up to him after he was already down, like with a running start.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  And with the second punch.

• 2:28:40Joe Rogan?

  You remember when he kicked Dominic Reyes in the body? You see his whole foot on Reyes's body? He's such a hard dude.

• 2:28:49Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Solid jab.

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  Olberg definitely has a speed advantage.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. He does, but Bohovic has a massive experience advantage. Massive. Check that. And him with a hard low kick, too.

• 2:29:00Speaker 01

  And he has that Rottweiler head.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Remember when he went shin to shin with Ankaliyev? Just fucked his legs up? He's like, let's see who's got the harder shins.

• 2:29:11Speaker 01

  Him and Ankaliyev are just tough fucking humans, man.

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  But there's so many tough guys in this division. I mean, Yuri would be the champion if it was for Alex.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  There's so many good guys. That Yuri fight with Jamal Hill was crazy.

• 2:29:26Speaker 01

  Racket's no punk either.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. But, you know, Yuri KO'd him and

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Uncle I beat him in a decision in his last fight.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Yon looks good, though. He doesn't look like he's 42. He looks like a legit contender.

• 2:29:47Joe Rogan?

  It's just so much experience, you know, and he's so good at pacing himself and staying calm.

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  Remember, it's only three rounds, too.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  That's true, but that Olberg's first fight was three rounds as well. You know, the Kennedy fight.

• 2:29:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is a big step up, man. Big step up.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, high kick.

• 2:30:14Speaker 01

  Oh, they announced Roundtree and Hill.

• 2:30:18Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, when's that?

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  I'm not sure. Soon.

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's exciting.

• 2:30:22Speaker 01

  That's a great fight.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  That is a great fight. He just went shin to shin with Olberg.

• 2:30:28Speaker 01

  I bought that Jeep yesterday and the lady goes, "Oh, my cousin fights in the UFC." And usually I'm like, "Oh, really?" I'm like, "Who's your cousin?" She's all, "Uh, Hill? Jamal Hill?" I'm like, "Oh, fuck, yeah. Badass, girl."

• 2:30:42Speaker 05

  April 26th, Kansas City.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, shit.

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  That Kansas City card's tasty.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good Fight Night, finally.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Yon's winning the battle of low kicks. He's checking Olberg's.

• 2:30:57Speaker 01

  Olberg's not landing, is he?

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  No. He's landing a few now. There's a good one. Shin to shin.

• 2:31:04Speaker 01

  Nothing's tastier than that Miami card coming up, though.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that Miami card's good.

• 2:31:08Speaker 01

  That's a fucking treat.

• 2:31:09Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's good. Yair in Pitbull. Ooh.

• 2:31:12Speaker 01

  I swear to God, if I have problems with ESPN Plus, I'm gonna lose my shit.

• 2:31:15Joe Rogan?

  And Yon Silva versus Bryce.

• 2:31:17Speaker 03

  Not Pitbull from Bellator.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:20Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  It's with the UFC now.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, shit. Yair Rodriguez.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  On the main card. They bumped up the main card.

• 2:31:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't have a picture of him. That's outrageous. Get a picture of him.

• 2:31:29Speaker 01

  Bellator wouldn't send it.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Bellator's like, "No, take your own pictures."

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Have him pose for a picture, Jesus Christ.

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  Take a selfie on your fucking cellphone.

• 2:31:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fuck. Take your shirt off, put your face up.

• 2:31:38Speaker 01

  Have your girl do it.

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Send it in. Yeah, we'll black out the background.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  Oh, good jab by Olberg.

• 2:31:48Speaker 03

  I gotta get out.

• 2:31:49Speaker 01

  You leaving, dog?

• 2:31:49Speaker 03

  Love you, man. Thank you, man. Gordon, great hanging?

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir.

• 2:31:53Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  See you soon.

• 2:31:56Speaker 03

  Love you, man. Love you too, man. See ya.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  Your son play tomorrow, Eddie?

• 2:32:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:32:00Joe Rogan?

  I'll be there, too.

• 2:32:01Speaker 03

  I'll see you, man.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  See you, brother.

• 2:32:03Speaker 01

  Bro, I love when I run to Eddie at the baseball fields, because he's a vet. Like, my kid's only nine, so we do it two years, but he's been in it for a thick... He has everything: backpack, water, just the whole tent, the seat.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  He loves being a dad.

• 2:32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, we always run each other at the baseball fields.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  It's awesome to see.

• 2:32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, my kiddos met him for the first time, like, two weeks ago.

• 2:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 2:32:27Speaker 01

  I was like, "That's Uncle Eddie!" And they're like, "Uncle? Who the fuck's Uncle Eddie?" Right there, it's your uncle.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  These are boring-ass commercials.

• 2:32:43Speaker 01

  So brutal.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 2:32:45Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  You see, bare-knuckle fighting is gonna have hockey fights? They're gonna have fights with skates on?

• 2:32:51Speaker 01

  On ice, yeah.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Bare-knuckle boxing with hockey, skates on.

• 2:32:55Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Gimmick.

• 2:32:56Speaker 01

  There's some weird shit, man.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  That's a gimmick. They have card jiu-jitsu now. Yeah, I've seen that in Russia.

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  Bro, you know they offered me and Brian to fight each other in card jiu-jitsu?

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Brian Callen?

• 2:33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Why would they do that to Brian?

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  They offered... They're like, they're like, you know, they go... They didn't pitch me, they pitched Brian, and they go, "It'd be really fun for you and Brendan to do card jiu-jitsu." And Brian goes, "Like, seriously?" And the guy goes, "Yeah, would you guys be down to it?" Brian's like, "No!" He's like, "I'm not gonna fucking go and chop in card jiu-jitsu."

• 2:33:26Joe Rogan?

  You're 100 pounds bigger than him and a black belt. It's so ridiculous.

• 2:33:29Speaker 01

  You do it to me with a seatbelt?

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  That's so ridiculous. Yeah, it would be funny. You'd be talking shit while you tie him up. Yeah, it'd be funny. All right, here we go, round two.

• 2:33:42Speaker 01

  That first round's hard to score, huh? Probably give it to Yon?

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  I think I give it to Yon. Yon looked like he got the best of it.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, swing and a miss, how's that shoulder?

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  We'll get a better round from Olberg here because, you know, it's new to him, he's fighting a vet at this level.

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  He looks good. He's a fast motherfucker.

• 2:34:07Speaker 02

  That takedown feint really got a reaction.

• 2:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it did.

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  Big time, great feint.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  But he's not really a wrestler.

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  Fuck, no.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Yon's looking for bombs.

• 2:34:28Speaker 01

  Those leg kicks gonna be a problem if you don't start checking them.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  God, remember when Yon fought Izzy?

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:37Speaker 01

  What a nightmare matchup.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just too big.

• 2:34:40Speaker 01

  Too big.

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  But Izzy also tried to do 205 with no weight gain. He just tried to like weigh what he weighs.

• 2:34:47Speaker 02

  Cut less.

• 2:34:48Speaker 01

  I don't think he cut anything.

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he cut, he just walked in.

• 2:34:51Speaker 02

  190 something.

• 2:34:52Speaker 01

  But if they would've gave, like, I mean, granted, he wanted to fight for the title, but if they would've gave him like Yuri or someone, that'd be a funner matchup.

• 2:34:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that'd be crazy.

• 2:34:59Speaker 01

  Yuri, Izzy, it's fun.

• 2:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's dangerous.

• 2:35:01Speaker 01

  But fucking Yon, well, Yon walked at 240.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yuri looks so good in the Jamal Hill fight. Like, he's turned a corner, he's a different guy now.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  He's one of my favorites.

• 2:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, one of my favorites for sure. Guaranteed fireworks in that guy fights. Oh, he landed that right hand.

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Guaranteed fireworks when Yuri fights.

• 2:35:20Speaker 01

  Nonstop action.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Just such a fucking warrior. And so like dedicated to the way, you know?

• 2:35:27Speaker 01

  He's an interesting cat. Thin for light heavy.

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  Big shots there. Yon starting to land now.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  That, ooh. That needle body's legit. Interesting, Olberg favored. That's interesting.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  It was right off the feint too, feinted the takedown, went right to the collar, right to the tie clinch.

• 2:35:50Speaker 01

  He's a little lighter on his feet this round.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  He's hitting the legs a lot too.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, in this round for sure. That inside low kick.

• 2:36:05Speaker 01

  Just slapping though, he's not keep, like when Yan's leg kicks, it's fucking doing damage.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  It's thudding, but he scored, like that one right there, that was painful.

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  Change in his position.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was painful.

• 2:36:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  That was a hard one.

• 2:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Well Yan, you know, had a Muay Thai career before MMA. He's a legit Muay Thai fighter.

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Slightly lighter, he was like fighting at 200 I think.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Dude, you look into Anklia's background, that motherfucker's never lost in anything.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, he lost to Paul Craig.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  It's true. I'm saying before he got to UFC, you look at his background, it's like, Jesus.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  And even that fight, he was winning that fight. He just slept on the triangle and got wrapped up with like, I think it was like 2 seconds to go or something crazy like that. 1 second to go.

• 2:36:54Speaker 02

  That's so brutal.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  That's so brutal, cuz you know he can hang in for 1 second.

• 2:36:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Especially if you hear the uh...

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  Even if you go to sleep.

• 2:37:02Speaker 02

  If you hear the claps for 10 seconds.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  It's like, just pass out at that point.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it must've been tight.

• 2:37:09Speaker 01

  Ride it out, man. It's like Chael and Anderson, you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Dominating for 4 rounds.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  I know, that's the craziest one.

• 2:37:17Speaker 01

  That's just self-sabotage.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  And that's just Anderson coming in with a broken rib.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  Olberg definitely seems like he's landing more this round, but the damaging shots are Behovic.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  They score damage, number 1.

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, but Olberg is scoring more, like those jabs right there.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Yan's just having a hard time closing the distance.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  And this is only round 2.

• 2:37:48Speaker 01

  Damn, it's been, besides that girl fight against Molly, it's been all decisions again.

• 2:37:53Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  Molly retired too, I've heard.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  She, did she?

• 2:37:56Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:00Joe Rogan?

  There's a certain like skill gap you can't, you can't bridge.

• 2:38:05Speaker 01

  Not enough hours in the day.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not enough hours in the day, not enough time in your life. You're older, you're in your late 30s.

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how old she is, but she's in her 30s for sure. It's like some of them, they just get to a point. Jalen Turner was crazy because he said when he beat up Bobby Green, like after that, he lost his appetite for fighting. That was that one with a real late stoppage. That was in Austin. That was bad. That was a bad one.

• 2:38:29Speaker 01

  He said he knew then, right? It's kind of older.

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to hurt anybody anymore. I don't want to do that. I mean, he liked Bobby Green too. They were friends.

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  So like to put it on your friend like that and then, and then all the unnecessary punches, the referee should have stopped that fight quite a bit. That was where he was already out, right? Yeah. He was just getting tagged. I don't remember who refed that fight, but that was, that was a bad one. Yeah, he was like, he was a belly down, right? Uh huh. Just getting fucking. Just hammered, just smashed.

• 2:38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bobby hasn't won a fight since he changed his name to King. So he's like, fuck that, call me Bobby now. He's going back to Bobby.

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  Is he?

• 2:39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 2:39:03Speaker 01

  He's like, I'm changing back to Bobby.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:39:07Speaker 01

  Cause 0-3 since he changed to King.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  That, that wheel kick, oh my goodness. Mauricio Ruffi is dangerous. He's like a giant Connor, you know?

• 2:39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly.

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  He really is. He moves like Connor. He's got that kind of style, but.

• 2:39:21Speaker 01

  And that style, like cardio wise, like you're in the third round, you're so explosive. You just can't run at that high gear for three rounds.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast twitch based.

• 2:39:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  It's not a good style for longevity unless you're real sparing with your attacks and you have to have complete control. So if a guy mauls you and just comes at you with a lot of combinations and hits you with a pace.

• 2:39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're kind of fucked. Yeah, they catch up. You get a grappler can avoid the big shots.

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:46Speaker 01

  Then in the third round, you're fucked.

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  And obviously that weight class is filled with talent. There's so much talent there.

• 2:39:52Speaker 01

  I was discussing with a guy, I won't say who it was, who it is. He's, he's coming back to UFC and his buddy's like. He's like, man, what matchup do you think? He's like, we just need to get him an easy matchup for his first one. I'm like, buddy, it's 2025 in the UFC. There's no cakewalks.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:06Speaker 01

  There used to be cakewalks. There was guys like, thank God they gave me him. There's really not that with the contender series like this. It's just full of these young fucking lions.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guys that are zero fights in the UFC are super fucking dangerous. That's what's crazy. Zero fights and they come in at a world-class level.

• 2:40:24Speaker 01

  And they're like well-rounded at everything.

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Especially with these motherfuckers from Russia.

• 2:40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:28Joe Rogan?

  There's so many Dagestan guys that are coming in and like, good lord, they're so dangerous.

• 2:40:34Speaker 01

  There's no gimme fights anymore.

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Olberg seems to be outpointing him here.

• 2:40:41Speaker 01

  A little more active.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like right there.

• 2:40:43Speaker 01

  Definitely still speed advantage.

• 2:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. And Yan hasn't landed any big shots to the head, like the big one that's going to really change the course of the fight.

• 2:40:52Speaker 01

  No, he looks a little slower.

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  But he's just dealing with a very tall, fast dude.

• 2:40:57Speaker 01

  It's gonna get weird for Yan. He loses this one, you're off two years.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:41:02Speaker 01

  The division, the state, it's in, it's tough, man.

• 2:41:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, we'll see, there's still three minutes to go.

• 2:41:08Speaker 01

  How fucking crazy is MMA? It's like Alk沃格诺夫斯基 before he lost those two. He was like, there's arguments, the pound-for-pound number one.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:41:16Speaker 01

  He was on the like number two and then three months later, he's not even on the list.

• 2:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:41:20Speaker 01

  Yan Edwards.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:41:22Speaker 01

  Before he lost to Bilal was I think number five pound-for-pound. Now he's not even on the list.

• 2:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:41:27Speaker 01

  He loses this one, you're kind of fucked. MMA is wild, man.

• 2:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Yan with another good, strong low kick. But he needs more than that. He needs some head shots.

• 2:41:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:41:38Joe Rogan?

  He needs to get the judges' attention. I wonder what the live odds are right now.

• 2:41:44Speaker 01

  Olberg for sure.

• 2:41:44Joe Rogan?

  Gotta be Olberg, right?

• 2:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Just from a volume perspective.

• 2:41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, just active.

• 2:41:56Joe Rogan?

  He looks like he's gonna spin.

• 2:41:58Speaker 05

  That was close.

• 2:41:59Joe Rogan?

  He's heavily bladed.

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Good left hook right hand.

• 2:42:05Speaker 01

  Starting to sit down on his punches now.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Is it? Interesting.

• 2:42:12Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 2:42:12Speaker 05

  134, 160.

• 2:42:15Joe Rogan?

  But still, Olber's favorite.

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  It's just Yonah's having a hard time connecting.

• 2:42:23Joe Rogan?

  And Olber's not, he's not slowing down. Olber's done such a much better job of pacing himself now. And obviously he's in better condition too.

• 2:42:30Speaker 01

  Yes, and his distance.

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, look, he's never stopped hopping around.

• 2:42:33Speaker 01

  It's fucking tough to take two years off, then you jump in with a killer who's ranked number six, man. It's not easy.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  Especially a young dude, all hungry. Yonah's still trying to fucking launch out.

• 2:42:44Speaker 01

  It's like Geter Nelson taking two years off and jumping back in. It's fucking tough, man.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Good kick.

• 2:42:51Speaker 05

  Sean Brady's favorite.

• 2:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Is he? Yeah, Sean Brady's favorite.

• 2:42:55Speaker 05

  Over four and a half rounds is also favorite.

• 2:42:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:42:57Speaker 01

  Interesting. Yes, this card has the potential to be, you know, if you're looking for knockouts, this might not be the one card for you.

• 2:43:08Speaker 01

  It's tough for Brady to stop Leon.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very tough. It's gonna be interesting to see how he fares on the feet, because Leon's such a technician on the feet. He's such a sniper, but he's also gonna be super wary about the takedown, but he's been trying to take people down to kinda like prove a point, like he did with Kamara.

• 2:43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  I hope he doesn't try to do that with Sean.

• 2:43:28Speaker 05

  Bad idea.

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a different level.

• 2:43:32Speaker 01

  And Brady just, it's just, like in the fifth round, you look at that Gilbert fight, it's like he had more takedowns in the fifth round, like his cardio's insane.

• 2:43:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's very fit.

• 2:43:44Joe Rogan?

  Olber seems to be walking away from it.

• 2:43:48Speaker 01

  Olbergh ain't getting a title shot after this one though.

• 2:43:50Joe Rogan?

  No, but it puts him in the top.

• 2:43:54Speaker 01

  For sure, yeah, top five.

• 2:43:57Joe Rogan?

  He just hasn't done anything like real spectacular.

• 2:44:01Speaker 01

  Olbergh, Olbergh's the winner of Roundtree and Jamal Hill would be fun.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  Yon's still pushing though, man. He's going after him. Good low kicks there. Oh, oh, oh, oh, he clipped him with that left hand.

• 2:44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, Yon can't get his range.

• 2:44:18Speaker 01

  Hmm, good fight, solid fight.

• 2:44:23Speaker 01

  They're just yelling at each other.

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Fucking warriors.

• 2:44:27Speaker 01

  Guys being guys.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just a couple of bros.

• 2:44:30Speaker 01

  Just a couple of bros, fist fighting, shout at each other.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think Olbergh probably got that decision.

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, slight decision.

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm very interested to see how Shawn deals with the stand up. You know, because Shawn's stand up has come a long way, but there's levels.

• 2:44:45Speaker 01

  Big, big difference.

• 2:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:47Speaker 01

  But then there's a big difference on the feet too, right? So it's all about who and will, their will, right?

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, if, if Shawn can get him down early like Bilal did, it would be a big thing. And Bilal set the blueprint.

• 2:44:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Constant pressure.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:45:01Joe Rogan?

  But I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that that was a 5 a.m. fight, which is just nuts.

• 2:45:07Speaker 01

  It sucks, but it's this, but you're pros.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  I know, but like.

• 2:45:10Speaker 01

  You just gotta go, man.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that? Like, everybody in the audience has been drunk since 2:00 in the morning. They're all like, eh.

• 2:45:16Speaker 01

  It's tough.

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  They're all exhausted. They're fucking filled with beer, you know?

• 2:45:22Speaker 01

  There's people sleeping.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  They were sleeping. They were sleeping. It was so, they must be so exhausted. I can't imagine going to see a fight. That's the main event starts at 5:00 in the morning. I think the main event was like 6:00 in the morning.

• 2:45:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's rough.

• 2:45:36Joe Rogan?

  It's ridiculous. It's terrible. Why not just do it this way? Just have the fights on early, you know?

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  That was a pay-per-view, right?

• 2:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:44Speaker 01

  That's why.

• 2:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but still, have a pay-per-view at 3:00 in the afternoon. Who cares?

• 2:45:48Speaker 01

  I prefer it.

• 2:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who cares? It's Saturday. It's Saturday. People will still buy it. They watch football in the day.

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  True.

• 2:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't they watch a big fight during the day? Just let them know in advance. It's 3:00 p.m. start.

• 2:46:00Speaker 01

  The only one who complains is Tom Aspinall.

• 2:46:07Joe Rogan?

  29-28.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Carlos.

• 2:46:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna get dicey for you on now.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Good decision. Yeah, hard, hard road for him.

• 2:46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, sports, man.

• 2:46:20Joe Rogan?

  I mean, two years off, not really a tune-up fight, tough fight.

• 2:46:25Speaker 01

  Fuck, no.

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  There's no tune-up fights.

• 2:46:27Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, the UFC, there's not much they can do for you anymore.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy, because boxing, I think, has it right. When a guy hasn't been fighting for a while, give him some fucking...

• 2:46:35Speaker 01

  Shake off the dust, give him a guy you don't know.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Number 30 guy, right out of Tijuana. Pop, pop.

• 2:46:41Speaker 01

  The UFC done have that.

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:46:42Speaker 01

  You gotta be ready to go.

• 2:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they don't have managers that, like, set their fighter up for victory either. Like, on the undercards, like, now you're gonna face a brawler, now you're gonna face a short guy who bobs in weas, now you're gonna face a tall guy. Yeah, they, you know, they, by the time a guy gets to a championship level in boxing, they've been tried and tested. It's very systematic.

• 2:47:04Speaker 01

  UFC's not like that.

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  I know. Did you see the Lamont Roach, Gervonta Davis fight?

• 2:47:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  Ooh!

• 2:47:11Speaker 01

  I had Lamont Roach, didn't you?

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, especially with that knockdown. Like, that's a real knockdown. You take a knee, that's a 10-8 round.

• 2:47:19Speaker 01

  And Gervonta was like, "I had something in my eye." I'm like, "I don't give a fuck, you took a knee."

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  You know the rules.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the rules.

• 2:47:25Speaker 01

  That's the rule, them the rules.

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  And they didn't have the replay ready, so they didn't look at the replay.

• 2:47:30Speaker 01

  Boxing's so crap, dude.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  It's a little bit...

• 2:47:34Speaker 01

  But Dana getting involved in it might help it.

• 2:47:36Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps.

• 2:47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Or, you know, you know, can't change the tiger stripes.

• 2:47:42Speaker 01

  Well, it's gonna, you see their pay structure, it's also a far way out from getting done, because guys don't have a contract...

• 2:47:48Joe Rogan?

  Was that pay structure legit, though?

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Was it legit?

• 2:47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the, I mean, pretty sure it's legit, but that actually helps boxing overall. The top dogs aren't gonna eat like they are now with forty, fifty million dollar paydays. But the middle guys that can grow boxing, that's where, that's what, what it's gonna do.

• 2:48:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if you wanna get the top guys, you're gonna have to pay them.

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  Correct. On that pay structure, you ain't getting any of the big fish.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're not, they're not. Obviously, they got Canelo to get away from the Jake Paul fight, right? Like, Canelo was gonna fight Jake Paul, which would've been crazy.

• 2:48:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  And then, they said, "No, no, no, no, no." Turkey came along and said, "Listen, open up the fucking case from Pulp Fiction."

• 2:48:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Look at all the gold. Ahhh.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  That dude got all the money, huh?

• 2:48:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they got so much money. They can do whatever they want. They could just throw money at the sport and dominate.

• 2:48:38Speaker 01

  It's good and bad. We get the fights we wanna see, but then it's also, you know.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  It's good.

• 2:48:41Speaker 01

  There's some darkness there.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  The fights you wanna see is what's most important for the fans, and they're putting shit together. You know, they made Jared Anderson fight Bacoli.

• 2:48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a lot of fights that people didn't want. You know, which is like Jared Anderson, that was another example, like, young, undefeated heavyweight, on his way up. And everyone was like, "Don't take that fight."

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, "You're not ready for that fight." And then they offered him a pile of loot.

• 2:49:04Speaker 01

  He's all say less.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, he got beat up.

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  And then Bacoli getting stopped by Joseph Parker, coming in fat with no, no notice at all.

• 2:49:12Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 2:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Looked like he was totally out of shape.

• 2:49:14Speaker 01

  Eight hour notice was like, yes, say less.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, super short notice. Yeah, crazy, crazy fight. I was looking forward to that fight. But Bacoli, you gotta give him a camp. Like, you can't, like, he's not ready. And, but Joseph Parker looks really fucking good right now, too.

• 2:49:30Speaker 01

  That's my boy.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  He's like reinvented.

• 2:49:32Speaker 01

  He's such a good guy. Do you know him at all?

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  He's awesome.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  That's cool.

• 2:49:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:37Joe Rogan?

  That Dubois guy, though, holy shit, man. The way he took out Anthony Joshua.

• 2:49:41Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jake wants to fight Anthony Joshua now? Said he wants to fight Anthony Joshua in 2026.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  And the haters online are like, "Yeah, do it."

• 2:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're like, "What about now?" They're like, "What about fight him now?" He's like, "No, I wanna wait till 2026." Like, okay.

• 2:49:55Speaker 01

  To put on weight?

• 2:49:56Joe Rogan?

  Put on all the steroids, every steroid they have.

• 2:49:59Speaker 01

  I would want, here's the thing, I would watch it.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, by the way, Rallo reached out to me, John Rallo, my boy, and, uh, he, uh, him and his buddy Chemo actually own a company, he was telling me, that sells this blue scorpion shit. They're involved with a blue scorpion venom company. He said he gave it to Matt Sarah, it really helped him. So he wants to hook you up. Frank Mir, he says on it.

• 2:50:24Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:27Speaker 01

  So I'm already hooked up with it.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  He wants to get you something, Jordan.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  I'll have some.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Alright, I'll have him send you some.

• 2:50:32Speaker 01

  Get on.

• 2:50:32Speaker 02

  I think quadruple dose is like a.

• 2:50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:35Joe Rogan?

  We'll see what happens. I'm gonna start slow. I'm gonna find out if I get poisoned.

• 2:50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, just.

• 2:50:41Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are we doing? Drinking venom from scorpion?

• 2:50:45Speaker 01

  It is weird.

• 2:50:46Joe Rogan?

  That's weird. He's got the dopest tattoos.

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, his tattoos are good.

• 2:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Brady, that Japanese on the back.

• 2:50:54Joe Rogan?

  He's such a fucking gorilla when he gets people to the ground. Like the size of his back, like those muscles in his back. There's muscles that aren't supposed to be there.

• 2:51:03Speaker 01

  It's like a turtle.

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  They're so dense. It's weird when you see him walk.

• 2:51:07Speaker 01

  That's why he's so fucking strong.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's all back. It's all squeeze muscles, you know?

• 2:51:11Speaker 01

  Are you still fucking with the creatine gummies, Joe?

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I love them.

• 2:51:15Speaker 01

  And do you feel so, because I looked in to creatine gummies and I heard when they bake the gummies, it like takes away the potency.

• 2:51:23Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:51:24Speaker 01

  Of the creatine, yeah. So when you think you're getting five milligrams, you're not.

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. I did not know that.

• 2:51:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:29Joe Rogan?

  I feel great, though. But I'm not taking five milligrams. I'm taking like thirty.

• 2:51:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm up to twenty seven milligrams now.

• 2:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Gummies at a time.

• 2:51:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:38Joe Rogan?

  I wonder. I wonder. I'll try. I'll try like regular creatine and see if I feel a difference.

• 2:51:42Speaker 01

  Knows the difference.

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Because one of the things that's really big is if I have a night where I don't get any sleep. That's a big factor. And then there's been studies done on improving cognitive performance when you're sleep deprived. With with creatine, like no, no loss in cognitive performance.

• 2:51:57Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 2:51:58Joe Rogan?

  That's wild. It's like one of the only things that I could even think of. Because even caffeine, like you're awake, but you're still.

• 2:52:04Speaker 01

  No, you're still out of it, yeah.

• 2:52:05Joe Rogan?

  A little goofy.

• 2:52:06Speaker 01

  No, that methylene blue and creatine is, that's all I do, dog.

• 2:52:09Joe Rogan?

  And then scorpion venom.

• 2:52:11Speaker 01

  Scorpion venom, well, scorpion venom.

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Every peptide in the book.

• 2:52:13Speaker 01

  Name a peptide I wanna.

• 2:52:16Joe Rogan?

  Feel great. Well dude, you're crazy strong right now. That thing that you did where you were uh holding, what was the amount of weight you were lifting?

• 2:52:26Speaker 01

  What was that?

• 2:52:27Joe Rogan?

  The deadlift?

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  Three fifteen?

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  For, where you guys were holding it for?

• 2:52:31Speaker 01

  We could hold the longest. It was me, Thor, and my boy, uh, Hooper, who's also a strong man.

• 2:52:37Joe Rogan?

  And how much time did those guys hold it for?

• 2:52:39Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it was like forty seven seconds and then Thor was like fifty eight seconds.

• 2:52:44Joe Rogan?

  And what'd you get?

• 2:52:45Speaker 01

  A minute something.

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:52:47Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 2:52:47Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts that you're technically stronger than the mountain.

• 2:52:51Speaker 01

  That them holding fucking, yeah.

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  That's bananas dude.

• 2:52:54Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, we're strong.

• 2:52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:57Joe Rogan?

  You must feel like a fucking beast right now.

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty beastie. As soon as I'm like ready to fight that guy on the plane, I'm like, what'd you say?

• 2:53:05Speaker 02

  That guy.

• 2:53:06Speaker 01

  I gotta use this power for something.

• 2:53:07Speaker 02

  Oh, so silly. I did a lift with uh, with Mitchell Hooper and Flex Lewis.

• 2:53:12Speaker 01

  Oh wow.

• 2:53:13Speaker 02

  Dragon Slayer and uh, in Vegas and I was like, like in a camp for something, like one of the strongest I'd ever been and it was just like a complete embarrassment.

• 2:53:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mitchell's uh,

• 2:53:28Speaker 01

  Mitchell's a special guy, man. Cause he's one of the strongest and he has a personality, like he's such a good dude.

• 2:53:34Speaker 02

  And he's not like that big.

• 2:53:36Speaker 01

  No, he's not like, but preposterous. I was, I was just sitting down eating food and they asked me to do it. I didn't want to do it.

• 2:53:46Joe Rogan?

  How much does that guy have a fighter's nose?

• 2:53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, his nose is fucked.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Flattened and twisted and torqued to the side. Like when he's looking at your head on, it's like his nose is taking a hard right.

• 2:53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I wanted to challenge those guys to two twenty five. That's my shit. That's why I wanted to challenge them.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Hold two twenty five?

• 2:54:05Speaker 01

  Bench press two twenty five.

• 2:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, as many times as possible?

• 2:54:08Speaker 01

  Cause I asked, I asked Thor and he told me his record and I was like, I beat that a while ago. And he's like, let's do it right now. I'm like, right now, like we're in the middle of a photo shoot. I'm like, I ain't doing it right now. And I was like, let's wait to after, but we'll do two twenty five, three fifteen, two twenty five. And see who can do the most and we'll just combine it.

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  What's his record of two twenty five?

• 2:54:25Speaker 01

  Uh, I think he said like thirty something.

• 2:54:27Joe Rogan?

  What can you do?

• 2:54:28Speaker 01

  Forty.

• 2:54:30Speaker 02

  Really? At 225?

• 2:54:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:32Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  That's fucking nuts.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:54:34Speaker 02

  Strong as ever. I was like 225. I weighed like 225 and I did 27.

• 2:54:38Speaker 01

  That's impressive.

• 2:54:39Speaker 02

  25.

• 2:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Christ. That's so crazy.

• 2:54:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, every Monday, Wednesday I do 225. I usually get at least 20 something. The first time I do 315 for 5 and I do 225 for again 20 something. So bam, bam, bam. Every Monday.

• 2:54:52Joe Rogan?

  But when you max out, you can get to 40.

• 2:54:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. If I do just one, I can do 40.

• 2:54:56Joe Rogan?

  That's so nuts.

• 2:54:58Speaker 02

  Probably almost a 500 pound bench press.

• 2:55:00Speaker 01

  Pretty close. But it's all I train. It's all I like to do. Like that's my workout.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Just bench?

• 2:55:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:08Speaker 01

  I'm such a meathead these days. It's bench, deadlift and pull-ups. That's all I do.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  How many pull-ups can you do?

• 2:55:15Speaker 01

  I usually do like 5 sets of 20. But like good 20 pull-ups.

• 2:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Straight arm?

• 2:55:20Speaker 01

  Straight arm. Like proper pull-ups.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  For a big guy? Like, what do you weigh, like 250?

• 2:55:24Speaker 01

  About 240 something.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, that's a lot of weight.

• 2:55:27Speaker 01

  I'm so fucking strong right now.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts, dude. Science is amazing.

• 2:55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wish I was as strong. It's the scorpion venom.

• 2:55:35Joe Rogan?

  It must be. Look at Leon Edwards. He looks hyped.

• 2:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 2:55:44Speaker 01

  It's the proper time for Leon too right now, you know?

• 2:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:51Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 2:55:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, he probably wants revenge after that Bilal fight. You know, that was a bad fight for him.

• 2:55:59Speaker 01

  That was a tough night. He just didn't seem into it either, right? Like something was off.

• 2:56:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's fucking 5 o'clock in the morning.

• 2:56:05Speaker 01

  True.

• 2:56:05Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how, how? Like, how can you fight at your best when you're up all night?

• 2:56:10Speaker 01

  But also, he's the champ. Like, why wouldn't you set up so the champs in ideal conditions? Like, he, like, I get it if Bilal's the champ coming over there, you're like, he'll fight in London, but it has to be at 5 a.m. That makes sense. When you're the champ in your hometown, why the fuck would you not have 5 a.m.?

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. The whole thing is crazy. The whole, just the idea of getting people to fight at that time.

• 2:56:28Speaker 01

  But there's also a lot of X-factors we don't know behind the scenes. Like UFC's like, first of all, TV right deal, only time we could do it with the broadcast.

• 2:56:35Joe Rogan?

  But how's that possible?

• 2:56:36Speaker 01

  Only time we get the arena. Who knows?

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  ESPN Plus. They, they could just always have it on. Anytime.

• 2:56:41Speaker 01

  But it can't be that easy where UFC just decides. I bet there's some other X-factors that go in there.

• 2:56:45Joe Rogan?

  It has to be. Pay-per-view buys in America are bigger than everywhere else. It has to be that. And they, it has to be the people are used to buying it at, you know, 7 o'clock at night.

• 2:56:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:53Joe Rogan?

  It has to be. That's the only thing that makes sense.

• 2:58:56Joe Rogan?

  Some of those names are fucking hard. Just like the, my biggest anxiety at the UFC is getting the names right at the weigh-ins. Just like some of them, you know, like.

• 2:59:04Speaker 01

  Those undercards, when it's like a daghestaning fighter, we're not familiar with, like, oh, it's not happening.

• 2:59:08Joe Rogan?

  And I have to have the, the people in the, in the back, they say it to me in my ear. I'm like, say it again. And then I write it out phonetically, like, Yi Wonchki.

• 2:59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, bro.

• 2:59:17Joe Rogan?

  Like, you have these weird names, you have to like spell it out the way it sounds.

• 2:59:21Speaker 01

  See, even at like GFL.

• 2:59:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's like Cs and Zs in there that don't make any sense. Like, what's that doing there? What's this fucking silent X?

• 2:59:28Speaker 01

  Bro, kudos to you. Like, even GFL or Game Brad, like, you wanna go in the, in the octagon or the cage? And interview the fight and have to say their name? Like, it's probably, probably not my cup of tea, man. Let me look at the roster.

• 2:59:42Joe Rogan?

  Here we go. I'm pumped for this one. Here we fucking go.

• 2:59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a great fight.

• 2:59:48Joe Rogan?

  And Leon in London, he's gonna be fired up.

• 2:59:51Speaker 01

  You would hope.

• 2:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah. How could he not be? The whole audience is gonna be for him.

• 2:59:55Speaker 01

  Headshot, dead. Look at me now! Look at me now!

• 3:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Woo, what a speech that was.

• 3:00:06Joe Rogan?

  That was one of the greatest moments ever. That head kick in the fifth round.

• 3:00:09Speaker 01

  Losing the whole fight.

• 3:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Fight he's losing. And John Anick with the perfect call. Like, John Anick said, that is not the cloth, like, he could quit right now, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

• 3:00:18Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 3:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Boom! Head kick.

• 3:00:20Speaker 01

  And his coach was like, come on, do it now.

• 3:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Come on, Rocky!

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't let him bully you, son. Fuck, dude. Don't let him bully you.

• 3:00:28Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 3:00:29Joe Rogan?

  You ever heard it with the Rocky music?

• 3:00:30Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 3:00:33Joe Rogan?

  If you're ever feeling like you don't wanna work out, listen to that.

• 3:00:35Speaker 01

  Do that, yeah.

• 3:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Whew! You get fired up. Here we go.

• 3:00:42Speaker 01

  Shawn Brady has so many tattoos.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got no room left.

• 3:00:45Speaker 02

  Dude, Shawn looks way stronger.

• 3:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's gonna be physically stronger.

• 3:00:49Speaker 01

  Leon's gonna be in for a surprise, cause he's like, oh, he's so short.

• 3:00:52Joe Rogan?

  If that happens, but I mean, you gotta close that distance of danger with this fucking.

• 3:00:58Speaker 01

  It's also tough on Leon, cause remember he's supposed to fight JDM, a straight striker.

• 3:01:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, right.

• 3:01:03Speaker 01

  He's supposed to fight Jack, and then he switch it.

• 3:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, they gave him some time, right? How much time did they give him before they switched it?

• 3:01:08Speaker 01

  Four weeks?

• 3:01:09Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 3:01:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, that is different. It's tough.

• 3:01:11Speaker 02

  Again, in the Balal fight with Shawn.

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  They got beat up.

• 3:01:15Speaker 01

  He just got beat up.

• 3:01:16Joe Rogan?

  He couldn't get him down.

• 3:01:17Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 3:01:17Speaker 02

  He couldn't get him down?

• 3:01:18Speaker 01

  Couldn't get him down, but I'll just beat the brakes off him. Just defend the takedown and fuck his face up.

• 3:01:23Joe Rogan?

  Shawn looking to put a lot of pressure on him, just like Bilal did.

• 3:01:27Joe Rogan?

  I mean Bilal really gave the game plan.

• 3:01:29Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 3:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, good kick to the body by Leon. Especially when you're orthodox and you're fighting Leon and he's got that powerful left kick that's opened up.

• 3:01:37Speaker 01

  And he has a reach advantage.

• 3:01:39Joe Rogan?

  And he gets that kick to the body a few times, you're not the same. Left hand to the body.

• 3:01:45Joe Rogan?

  And look, he's got his distance down. He's got his distance down.

• 3:01:48Speaker 01

  Shawn got that Philly fade.

• 3:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is the difference, the difference is the management of the striking distance. Like Leon is so good at that.

• 3:01:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Brady has to be super careful in here.

• 3:01:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because all, like right there.

• 3:01:59Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck dude.

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  The counters, they're so crisp and they're so, there's no fat in them, no wasted movement, straight down the pipe.

• 3:02:08Speaker 01

  If you're Brady, can't go for the takedown too early, because Leon's expecting it.

• 3:02:12Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta open something up.

• 3:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:14Joe Rogan?

  But he can't stay on the outside.

• 3:02:15Speaker 01

  You know what the difference is? Is Bilal got his respect on the feet and then started landing takedowns, if you remember.

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Shawn just landed a left hook there and now they're in a clinch.

• 3:02:24Speaker 01

  Cause it's gonna be tough to beat Leon if you're just straight grappling.

• 3:02:27Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting that Leon's choosing to clinch with him. Nice knee to the body by Leon.

• 3:02:32Speaker 01

  That's good, a clinch.

• 3:02:34Joe Rogan?

  He is, man. I was surprised when he took Kamaru down. Like, his grappling is no fucking joke.

• 3:02:41Joe Rogan?

  And remember in the last round, he got on top of Bilal and was smashing him with elbows. Remember that?

• 3:02:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Cut him open.

• 3:02:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Just too little, too late.

• 3:02:49Speaker 01

  But if you, if you remember that Bilal fight, I've watched it a few times, Bilal was landing like a motherfucker on the feet.

• 3:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and constant pressure.

• 3:02:56Speaker 01

  Lot of pressure, constant, got his respect on the feet and then it opened up the takedown.

• 3:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Shawn's already cut.

• 3:03:01Speaker 01

  Yeesh.

• 3:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Cut on the left eye.

• 3:03:10Joe Rogan?

  It's just interesting that Leon is allowing the clinch. I'm surprised.

• 3:03:14Speaker 02

  Well, he's stuffing that underhook.

• 3:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  Pretty good with that thigh pry.

• 3:03:18Joe Rogan?

  I just would think that.

• 3:03:19Speaker 01

  Oh, nice combination! That's what you gotta do. You gotta earn the respect and then the takedown will be there.

• 3:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:25Speaker 01

  Leon's too good, his takedown offense is too good just to shoot.

• 3:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a nice combination by Shawn.

• 3:03:30Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 3:03:32Joe Rogan?

  And this is five rounds, son.

• 3:03:34Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 3:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, another good combination by Shawn.

• 3:03:51Speaker 01

  They usually always have Patty on these London cards, but he's on that Miami card. Same for Miami.

• 3:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's a crazy fight, him and Chandler.

• 3:03:59Speaker 01

  So interesting.

• 3:04:00Joe Rogan?

  That should be bananas.

• 3:04:02Speaker 01

  I love Patty. I love Chandler, too.

• 3:04:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm surprised at how big Patty is. Like, when he fought Bobby Green, I was like, geez.

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  He's massive, dude.

• 3:04:09Joe Rogan?

  He's so big for 55.

• 3:04:12Speaker 01

  The UFC brought him up right. They brought him up the right way.

• 3:04:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Leon caught him a left hand there.

• 3:04:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did.

• 3:04:24Speaker 02

  Leon's making it hard in the clinch.

• 3:04:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:04:27Speaker 02

  He's putting that hand super deep in the thigh, so Brady's underhook doesn't really have the ability to do anything, yeah.

• 3:04:32Joe Rogan?

  And those knees to the body are nice. There's a nice straight left. Oh.

• 3:04:37Speaker 02

  Like, Brady's gotta get him in the clinch and get the underhook and immediately move him around with it. Otherwise, he's not gonna make anything happen with it.

• 3:04:43Joe Rogan?

  And so far, no attempt at all at shooting.

• 3:04:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, even in these positions, he's not... Okay, now he is.

• 3:04:54Speaker 01

  This is where strength is gonna be the difference.

• 3:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's see if he can do something here.

• 3:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz his strength is fucking beastly.

• 3:05:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:05:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at the back on that motherfucker. I mean, Jesus Christ. It's like he's got a tumor.

• 3:05:18Speaker 01

  And what is he? He's like 5'7"?

• 3:05:20Joe Rogan?

  5'10"?

• 3:05:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's 5'10"? Yeah.

• 3:05:23Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 3:05:24Speaker 02

  I think he's 5'10" and Leon is 6'2".

• 3:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Where's Shawn walk around at? He's gotta be 200-plus.

• 3:05:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a big fucking boy.

• 3:05:38Speaker 05

  He's listed at 5'9".

• 3:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Really? It said 5'10" in the, uh...

• 3:05:41Speaker 05

  Leon's 6'?

• 3:05:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:05:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a UFC 5'9".

• 3:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Leon is taller than that.

• 3:05:45Speaker 01

  I bet you Shawn Brady's...

• 3:05:46Speaker 02

  It definitely said 6'2" for Leon.

• 3:05:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I bet you Shawn Brady in person's 5'8", 5'7".

• 3:05:51Speaker 05

  I was 6'4" in my basketball programs, too. Nice.

• 3:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Here goes. Takedown. Here we go.

• 3:05:57Speaker 02

  And he's flat.

• 3:05:57Joe Rogan?

  No time, though. Very little time.

• 3:06:00Speaker 02

  Very little time.

• 3:06:00Joe Rogan?

  But at least he's on top.

• 3:06:01Speaker 01

  Runs in the round, though, doesn't it?

• 3:06:03Joe Rogan?

  Depends. If he can get off some shots. It's definitely...

• 3:06:07Speaker 01

  It'd be the most action, really. And he landed on the feet a little more.

• 3:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:06:11Speaker 01

  That's probably one round for Brady. Man, I'd like to see that takedown landed early to see him set that up. But at least we got a takedown by Brady. Early too. Let's see, three to go.

• 3:06:28Speaker 01

  Don't, don't, don't. What commercials are you getting, Jamie?

• 3:06:32Speaker 02

  I have the same zipper crater commercial, keep shot to me.

• 3:06:35Speaker 01

  Oh, this isn't a zipper crater, this is like some Ford.

• 3:06:36Speaker 02

  Just keep getting the same three or four commercials.

• 3:06:38Speaker 01

  Power whacker, weed whacker, lawn, fucking, equipment. You never see any good car commercials anymore. There's nothing dope out there. A good commercial? Yeah, full of like cars. Look at him breathing heavy, man.

• 3:06:53Speaker 02

  Dude, they used to have commercials of like Ford carrying like Chevys.

• 3:06:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was cool.

• 3:06:58Speaker 02

  Like on the mountain, like strapped to the back of them.

• 3:06:59Speaker 01

  They're like talking shit.

• 3:07:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:01Speaker 01

  You don't really see it anymore. They got all friendly.

• 3:07:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that was a good combination. Three piece soda there. Oh, it was a trip. Yeah. Nice.

• 3:07:18Speaker 02

  Nice as I.

• 3:07:23Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 3:07:29Speaker 01

  Oh! Oh, he's going down.

• 3:07:30Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 3:07:30Speaker 01

  Oh, immediately. Wow, that was dope.

• 3:07:34Speaker 02

  That was nice.

• 3:07:35Speaker 01

  Ah, good on Leon.

• 3:07:38Speaker 02

  Can suck him back here. Can suck him back and pull him between his, between his knees.

• 3:07:42Speaker 01

  Get him off the cage. Good sign that he can get this clinch early in a second like this. Oh, that was a great takedown. Ooh.

• 3:07:55Speaker 01

  Drags him down. Interesting. Interesting.

• 3:07:59Speaker 02

  He's gonna take him to a hip now, nice shot by Brady.

• 3:08:00Speaker 01

  Nice. That was dirty, yeah? Nice.

• 3:08:03Speaker 02

  Good transition.

• 3:08:08Speaker 01

  Heavy top pressure.

• 3:08:12Speaker 02

  Needs a tight waist, needs a strong tight waist.

• 3:08:14Speaker 01

  Leon's in trouble. He's got the back. Yep.

• 3:08:19Speaker 01

  Got his whole fucking legs tatted, front and back. Everything. God damn. His whole asshole.

• 3:08:24Speaker 02

  He should be attacking the neck with his right hand so he can put the second hook in. He needs to control, there you go.

• 3:08:36Speaker 01

  There's a lot of time too.

• 3:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of time.

• 3:08:38Speaker 05

  High discrepancy you can see on the...

• 3:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:41Speaker 05

  That's more than two inches for sure.

• 3:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, well, one of them could have no shoes on too, though.

• 3:08:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, 5'10" to 6'2" is four inches.

• 3:08:55Joe Rogan?

  Got the back.

• 3:09:01Joe Rogan?

  But even, even on the ground with Bilal, Leon lands, he survives down there. He's tough to put away.

• 3:09:07Speaker 01

  He's landing some hard shots.

• 3:09:08Speaker 02

  Well, Leon's doing a good job of stopping him from locking the body triangle.

• 3:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:09:13Speaker 01

  Here he's got it.

• 3:09:14Speaker 02

  He's got it, but now he's got the outside triangle. Now, this is, this is gonna be an issue.

• 3:09:17Joe Rogan?

  Now he's in trouble.

• 3:09:18Speaker 02

  Leon keeps trying to turn belly down. Sean should just take him belly down and hit him.

• 3:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:22Speaker 01

  Letting him out.

• 3:09:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09:23Speaker 01

  But it's also such a brutal thing on your spine, belly down, with that body triangle.

• 3:09:27Speaker 02

  It's exhausting.

• 3:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Again, three minutes of this.

• 3:09:32Speaker 02

  There you go. Take him belly down and hit him.

• 3:09:34Joe Rogan?

  There he goes.

• 3:09:37Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna let him go.

• 3:09:40Speaker 02

  Or come up to mount and hit him.

• 3:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Leon keeps trying to go belly down, which is kinda crazy.

• 3:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, these are hard shots, man.

• 3:09:49Speaker 02

  Well, he can go for a rolling escape, but...

• 3:09:52Joe Rogan?

  When you're a strong dude like that, you can land some powerful strikes from a short distance like this. Like, these are not fun.

• 3:09:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:00Speaker 01

  170's gonna be interesting, though, because Shafkat's out with injury.

• 3:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Is he?

• 3:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:04Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 3:10:05Speaker 01

  Um, I forget exactly what it was, but he, so he's not coming back soon, soon.

• 3:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nasty elbow.

• 3:10:12Speaker 01

  You have Bilal.

• 3:10:15Speaker 01

  And then Brady with a win over a fucking...

• 3:10:17Joe Rogan?

  This is a big round.

• 3:10:18Speaker 01

  ...contender.

• 3:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Big round right here.

• 3:10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:21Speaker 02

  These guys could just figure out how to trap hands from the back. They'd be so much more effective. So easy with gloves on.

• 3:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at this, look at this.

• 3:10:27Speaker 02

  He's gonna get up. He's gonna at least get up to turtle.

• 3:10:31Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not.

• 3:10:32Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, that was just Leon's, Leon could've got up easy from there.

• 3:10:35Speaker 01

  Should've kept going.

• 3:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, because Brady's left knee wasn't controlling Leon's right hip, so he could've, there's nothing stopping him from going belly down from there.

• 3:10:46Speaker 01

  He's gonna try and isolate that arm.

• 3:10:48Speaker 02

  He just gave up.

• 3:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's gonna look for a K'morah.

• 3:10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:51Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna look for a K'morah. He's looking for that hand. Here it goes, here it goes.

• 3:10:55Speaker 02

  And his legs are open.

• 3:10:59Joe Rogan?

  You're allowed to grab your shorts, isn't that kinda crazy?

• 3:11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, isn't that weird?

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  That's the only reason to have shorts. Tights are so much better because they can't grab you.

• 3:11:09Speaker 01

  Way better.

• 3:11:09Speaker 02

  Leon should be inserting a butterfly hook here and looking to off balance him out of that kimura.

• 3:11:13Speaker 01

  With his right foot? He's still got time, he's still got time. There's a minute left.

• 3:11:19Speaker 02

  Brady should be using it to pass.

• 3:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yup.

• 3:11:24Speaker 02

  Like play a dilemma between the kimura and the pass, that way he can do damage.

• 3:11:28Speaker 01

  He wants to lock it up. Here it is.

• 3:11:32Speaker 01

  Does he have to pass here, oh?

• 3:11:34Speaker 02

  He lost it. But now he gave him the underhook, so now he should go back to a crossface, there he goes. But he gave him the underhook.

• 3:11:40Speaker 01

  Now he's in mount. Full back.

• 3:11:43Speaker 02

  Now he should flatten him out.

• 3:11:45Speaker 01

  Flatten him out and punch?

• 3:11:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:47Speaker 01

  Unless he gives you the neck.

• 3:11:48Joe Rogan?

  This is big, this is big.

• 3:11:50Speaker 01

  But he's eating his ass up.

• 3:11:52Joe Rogan?

  He's chewing him up on the ground.

• 3:11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's fucking.

• 3:11:54Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing, man, people, they underestimate how fucking powerful this guy is on the ground. And how good.

• 3:12:00Speaker 01

  And he can do this for five rounds.

• 3:12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, Leon's in trouble.

• 3:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he is.

• 3:12:05Speaker 01

  He's in trouble.

• 3:12:06Speaker 02

  Well, it's actually worse now, because now Leon's actually carrying his body weight.

• 3:12:10Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 3:12:10Speaker 02

  The first half of the round, he was, he was, he wasn't carrying Sean's body weight.

• 3:12:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:12:16Speaker 02

  Now he's, this is, this is more exhausting than having your back taken.

• 3:12:19Speaker 01

  And he's just getting brutalized the whole round.

• 3:12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:21Speaker 01

  The whole round, exhausted, and he came into that round breathing heavy. And now he's just gotten brutalized for an entire second round.

• 3:12:28Speaker 02

  He's gonna be, he's gonna be a lot more tired going into the third.

• 3:12:31Joe Rogan?

  Brady is a real contender. Real contender, kids. To do that to Leon Edwards is fucking huge.

• 3:12:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that lost to Bilal, like, everyone writes these guys off, I'm like, nah, it's the best thing you could have in these guys. Where's this guy, his, don't let him bully your rock.

• 3:12:45Joe Rogan?

  The older guy.

• 3:12:46Speaker 01

  Where is he?

• 3:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Is he back? Is he back there?

• 3:12:48Speaker 01

  Or did he fire him?

• 3:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Nooo.

• 3:12:51Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 3:12:51Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 3:12:53Speaker 01

  Maybe that guy's busy.

• 3:12:54Joe Rogan?

  Taught him yelling at me.

• 3:12:58Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine? No way, oh, there he is, there he is.

• 3:13:01Speaker 01

  There he is, yeah, he's the man.

• 3:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Is that him? No.

• 3:13:05Speaker 01

  I'd say a minute in the back, right?

• 3:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Not looking great for Leon. But Leon's ass, he'll pull it out though. He'll surprise ya. He's pulled things out before, that's for damn sure. The Kamaru Usman fight. He just doesn't seem excited to be in there. Well, he got mauled. I mean, he got mauled that round. Even before that. Like, come on, buddy. I don't think it's excited. I think he's fighting a fucking animal, man. You underestimate this guy, say he's too little, and then you get in there with him, you're like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. He's a baby gorilla. Nice kick to the body. Throwing kicks and shit now? Nice, another nice kick to the body. That's the thing about that southpaw orthodox stance, just opens up that power kick from the outside on both guys. Oh, nice uppercut by Leon. That was bad by Brady. Bad entry. Oh, another one. Another one. Good shot. He hurt him. He hurt him with that one.

• 3:14:05Joe Rogan?

  That was a big shot. Clipped him. There's a shot again. Oh, stuff. Nice. Nice by Leon.

• 3:14:12Speaker 02

  That was a long range shot there.

• 3:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little desperado there. I think he got hurt. He got clipped, right? And I think he realized like, hey, this is not a good spot for me to be in.

• 3:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, excitement. Oh, look at Leon shoots. That's crazy. Buddy. That doesn't make sense. No. Horrible idea. Yeah, look at this.

• 3:14:37Speaker 02

  He's gonna go behind.

• 3:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Drag him down. Nice.

• 3:14:40Speaker 02

  He's gotta block the elbow if he's gonna go behind though.

• 3:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is the problem.

• 3:14:44Speaker 02

  Or go for a drag.

• 3:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Level of grappling. Oh, oh, oh, oh, guillotine. Nope. He's just using it. Yeah.

• 3:14:52Speaker 02

  They got him on top.

• 3:14:53Joe Rogan?

  Back same position. Yeah, Leon, you were doing so well and you shot, dog. Crazy. Terrible idea. I mean, just trying to prove a point, I think.

• 3:15:02Speaker 02

  Brady pushes that knee down. He'll be in three-quarter mount.

• 3:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow, full mount. Sweet. With three minutes to go. Three and a half minutes. This is terrible. Awful. Especially after that second round, where you just dominated him on the ground. The level of grappling is just so significant. There's such a difference. And physical strength. I mean, Shawn is just such a fucking ape.

• 3:15:35Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, these are bad. These are bad.

• 3:15:39Speaker 01

  Oh. Those are huge shots.

• 3:15:44Speaker 02

  Should break him to a hip. Or he should be pulling him down to a hip.

• 3:15:48Joe Rogan?

  To one hip, one side?

• 3:15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:15:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:51Speaker 02

  Takes away the explosive ability to get up.

• 3:15:56Joe Rogan?

  It's almost like he's daring him to try to get up.

• 3:15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's behind the elbows. I mean, Khabib would do that. Khabib would just let guys up and

• 3:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:02Speaker 02

  Carrying body weight the whole time.

• 3:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Keep breaking him.

• 3:16:04Speaker 02

  You see how he's carrying, he's, Burie's doing a pretty good job of keeping his knees off the floor.

• 3:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Keeping the weight on him.

• 3:16:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:12Speaker 01

  Exhausting for Leon.

• 3:16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is incredibly tiring.

• 3:16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:16:17Joe Rogan?

  And no moments of success.

• 3:16:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, on the ground, no moments of success. It's all being dominated and slightly escaping to another bad position.

• 3:16:30Speaker 01

  And he kind of put himself in there with that shitty shot.

• 3:16:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he totally put himself in here. And, and he was landing shots on the feet.

• 3:16:35Speaker 01

  I know, he had them wobbled.

• 3:16:36Joe Rogan?

  But hey, we're still only in the third.

• 3:16:38Speaker 01

  True.

• 3:16:40Joe Rogan?

  He's just gotta avoid this at all costs. Like, now you know. No more fucking around with all this.

• 3:16:45Speaker 01

  No, his team should be like, "Don't, dude."

• 3:16:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, he's clearly down at least two rounds.

• 3:16:51Speaker 01

  Holy shit. Those numbers are bad. Oh, yeah.

• 3:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe three rounds, right? Like, what about the first?

• 3:16:58Speaker 01

  Oh, he's, he's, he's down three rounds.

• 3:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, this one's not even close.

• 3:17:06Speaker 01

  Shawn's just so dominant on the ground.

• 3:17:08Joe Rogan?

  You just want to see how Shawn does against, like, Makachev or Shavkat, like, another grappler who can strike and defend the takedowns. That, that'd be his big test.

• 3:17:17Speaker 02

  He's shot putting two hooks in.

• 3:17:23Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, Leon's getting beaten up, man. I mean, he just can't escape.

• 3:17:28Speaker 02

  Red the knees out, flatten them out.

• 3:17:32Speaker 01

  It's straight bull. There you go. It's flattened out. Oh, oh, oh.

• 3:17:36Speaker 02

  Flatten them again. Keep flattening them.

• 3:17:42Joe Rogan?

  God damn, this is domination.

• 3:17:46Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm gonna fight.

• 3:17:47Speaker 02

  Leon keeps trying to stand up head first. He should be trying to four-point out of here.

• 3:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Leon's just getting fucking hammered. How many clean shots has he landed? My god.

• 3:18:02Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's just constant. Bang, bang, bang.

• 3:18:04Speaker 01

  The crowd's like, "God damn it."

• 3:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, even from here. He's generating some power from here.

• 3:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Not a lot of time.

• 3:18:25Speaker 01

  Let's go for a choke here, buddy.

• 3:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he goes for an arm bar.

• 3:18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's go for something.

• 3:18:30Joe Rogan?

  I mean, here's the claps. Grab a hold of that fucking right arm.

• 3:18:35Speaker 01

  Leon's just waiting it out.

• 3:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Shawn's doing it too. Look at Shawn, taking some big, deep breaths here.

• 3:18:40Speaker 01

  He's tired from beating his ass. He's exhausted from beating the shit out of him.

• 3:18:44Joe Rogan?

  Domination by Shawn. I mean, Leon's gotta probably stop him or get some 10-8 round. That was a crazy bad shot.

• 3:18:50Speaker 01

  Crazy shot.

• 3:18:52Joe Rogan?

  And just not a good decision to make against this guy.

• 3:18:55Speaker 01

  Early in the round?

• 3:18:56Joe Rogan?

  And then he's eating just hammers.

• 3:19:04Joe Rogan?

  Don't let him bully Rock!

• 3:19:06Speaker 01

  I mean, if you're the corner, like, "Don't get taken down," I don't know what the fuck to tell you, man.

• 3:19:14Speaker 02

  Well, he's doing a good job stopping the takedowns in the clinch.

• 3:19:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:19:17Speaker 02

  But when he gets, when he gets shot on...

• 3:19:21Speaker 01

  And then ran to the cage.

• 3:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Dean Thomas in the fucking house.

• 3:19:24Speaker 01

  Love Dean Thomas.

• 3:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 3:19:32Speaker 01

  If Leon didn't pull off that last second KO against Camaro, you would never think he has a fucking shot. But because he's done that, we're all like, "You never know, dude."

• 3:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 3:19:41Speaker 01

  You never know.

• 3:19:42Joe Rogan?

  He starts standing, and he landed shots in the second and the third. He's just gotta not let him take him down. He looks good, though. He doesn't look exhausted.

• 3:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. But even Kamal didn't beat him up like this.

• 3:19:53Joe Rogan?

  No, nor did Bilal.

• 3:19:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:19:56Joe Rogan?

  I think Shawn's on another level now, you know?

• 3:19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that loss, he really-

• 3:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, he really talked heavily with me about his mental coaching and how much of an effect it had on-

• 3:20:03Speaker 01

  Oh, did you have him in here?

• 3:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. I forget his, uh, his coach. Do you remember his coach?

• 3:20:09Speaker 01

  His mental coach?

• 3:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Jamie, can you find it? Cause that guy's very good. I've watched some of his stuff online.

• 3:20:15Speaker 01

  What's the guy's background, do you know?

• 3:20:17Joe Rogan?

  I do not. Oh, good elbow by Shawn. Oh, Shawn's teeing him up on the feet now.

• 3:20:21Speaker 01

  That's trouble.

• 3:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness.

• 3:20:23Speaker 01

  Shawn just can't get- oh, there you go.

• 3:20:24Joe Rogan?

  There's a shot.

• 3:20:25Speaker 01

  Good shot.

• 3:20:26Speaker 02

  What kind of mental coaching did he do?

• 3:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, I'd have to have him explain it. I don't want to butcher it, but it was all about strategies to keep him focused and on track. Brian Kane as his mental coach.

• 3:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Brian Kane, peak performance.

• 3:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Affirmation training, developing custom affirmations to enforce positive talk, build confidence, mind control techniques. I mean, sometimes fighters just need a framework that they keep with them in a fight, so if something goes sideways, they can get back on track.

• 3:21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, something to get you back to home base.

• 3:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because sometimes fighters just lose their, their train of thought, they lose their focus, they get into a downward spiral in their head, and then they find themselves not completely- he's going for the guillotine.

• 3:21:13Speaker 01

  Well, especially if-

• 3:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, look at this. One hand, one-arm guillotine. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.

• 3:21:22Speaker 02

  He'll need to mount him, which he has.

• 3:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.

• 3:21:25Speaker 01

  Oh, he's about to tap.

• 3:21:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness.

• 3:21:27Speaker 01

  He's about to tap.

• 3:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, he's got the hands now.

• 3:21:31Speaker 01

  Oh, now he's fucked. He's tapped.

• 3:21:33Joe Rogan?

  He tapped. Wow. Shawn fucking Brady. Woo. Holy shit, what a performance.

• 3:21:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude. Shut out.

• 3:21:44Joe Rogan?

  What a performance. Shut out against one of the best of all time in the division, former champion, beats his ass and submits him.

• 3:21:54Speaker 01

  I wonder what he's asking Dana for here.

• 3:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 3:21:57Speaker 02

  That was, uh, that was impressive.

• 3:21:59Speaker 01

  But it makes sense Brady would hire a mental coach of that, cause remember, he's undefeated, never lost, and when you get, like, your ass handed to you, you're like, oh, fuck, I'm not the end-all be-all.

• 3:22:08Joe Rogan?

  When is Bilal fighting Jack?

• 3:22:12Speaker 01

  Two months?

• 3:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Is that two months?

• 3:22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Where's that at?

• 3:22:17Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 3:22:18Joe Rogan?

  See if Jamie could find it. Fucking unbelievable, man. I'm super impressed.

• 3:22:22Speaker 02

  Montreal, UFC 315, May 10th.

• 3:22:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:22:27Joe Rogan?

  I won't be there.

• 3:22:28Speaker 01

  I don't go to Canada anymore. I don't.

• 3:22:31Joe Rogan?

  No, nor should you.

• 3:22:32Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 3:22:33Joe Rogan?

  No, discipline.

• 3:22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather go to Russia.

• 3:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck yeah.

• 3:22:37Speaker 01

  Hell yeah.

• 3:22:38Speaker 02

  When they become the US, they never know.

• 3:22:41Joe Rogan?

  That's never gonna happen. That's so crazy to ask them to be the 51st date. I had a conversation with Trump about it. He goes, "I started calling him Governor Trudeau just for fun, and a lot of people were saying it's a good idea." Like, "Maybe it is a good idea."

• 3:22:53Speaker 01

  A lot of people say it.

• 3:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, fucking squeeze, man.

• 3:22:57Speaker 01

  Did you ever work with a mental coach, Gordon? You seem pretty mentally fucking strong.

• 3:23:01Speaker 02

  No, I believe that confidence is built in the gym.

• 3:23:05Speaker 01

  Through training, yeah.

• 3:23:06Speaker 02

  From doing, like, if you hit an arm bar 10 times out of 10 times in training, you're pretty confident that it's gonna work. But if you don't hit it in training, why would you be confident?

• 3:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Do you have moments in your past where you had a lapse of concentration and then you realized, "Never do that again"?

• 3:23:23Speaker 02

  Um, yes, like, I'm pretty good at, like, analyzing mistakes.

• 3:23:29Speaker 02

  And then, like, fixing them. Like, you know, coming up, I would be, like, super hot and cold. Like, I would beat a lot of guys, then I'd have, like, one, like, disastrous match, like, purple belt or something, or brown belt. Um, and then, I was like, you know, and everyone was always like, "You're Tom," or, you know, friends were like, "How would you beat everyone up in the gym that you can't translate it to the mat?" And, uh, I was like, "I don't know, man, I just...

• 3:23:53Speaker 02

  I feel like eventually I'm gonna get, like, good, and then, you know, I'll be good everywhere, and no one will be able to beat me in any, in any position." And then, kinda just, like, going through the reps in the gym, and, you know, got to a point where I was beating everyone from every position, so...

• 3:24:07Joe Rogan?

  So just you accelerated your skill set so far beyond that you just were so confident that you didn't need to...

• 3:24:15Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, but I mean, there is, there definitely is like the it factor that you can't really like put your finger on like, like most guys, even at the highest levels, like if you give them the reason to quit, they'll quit. Um, it's like you can be as technically sound as you want. Um, like even guys who are like super good technically, you see a lot of jiu-jitsu who are super good technically. If they just get pushed hard and they don't have like success early on, they either like crush a guy in like the first five minutes or like, or they lose the match.

• 3:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why you like those no time limit fights, right? Like the Felipe fight?

• 3:24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, I, I think I'm a lot stronger mentally than everyone I compete against, but also it's a big physical factor because of the fact that when you have like a 30 minute match, for example, the most important thing is the work rate. So if I, it doesn't matter how good your cardio is, like how, how high your VO2 max is. If you're working twice as hard as I am, you're gonna get tired faster than I am. It's just so, it, because I'm so much more technical, because the gap in skill is so big between being the next best guy. Their work rate is always three, four, or five times as high as mine.

• 3:25:19Joe Rogan?

  They have to explode, they have to move quickly.

• 3:25:21Speaker 02

  So it doesn't matter how good your cardio is. Like if I ran a mile, it wouldn't be impressive. But because I'm so much more efficient, the work rate is so much higher for my opponents that they just fatigue a lot faster.

• 3:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, gangster. Crazy. Yeah, crazy. It's, it's, and it's crazy too that you lay out the blueprint of what to do. Train 365 days a year, constantly study, constantly go over positions, constantly drill things, constantly improve upon techniques. And then you put the techniques out.

• 3:25:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:25:49Joe Rogan?

  And you put them out in instructional and people still can't fuck with it.

• 3:25:52Speaker 02

  Well, that's what everyone, everyone always talks about. Everybody always talks about hard work, but the hardest work is mental work. Like there's a reason why guys on Wall Street make more money than guys who dig ditches. Because they work harder. Like it's, it's not just physical. Like everyone is, everyone has no problem coming in, getting a sweat, going home, being sore, stuff like that. But if you ask them to sit down and watch an hour's worth of instruction every night from a, like a Gordon Ryan instructional, which is proven to work in competition, nobody wants to do that.

• 3:26:21Joe Rogan?

  They can't do it, yeah. Hmm, isn't that interesting? Like you can give them the tools, but they won't build the house.

• 3:26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like all of my, like I have like 40 instructional, like hundreds of hours worth of instructional that I do. And I've referenced matches that I hit this exact technique in, in competition at world level. And just no one's picked up on it.

• 3:26:40Joe Rogan?

  No one? Not, no one at all?

• 3:26:42Speaker 02

  They kinda just like grab stuff, like they see me do like a move and they kinda just like get the basics of it. But no one's really like in-depth studied it and like been able to perform the moves in competition. It's like embarrassing for the sport.

• 3:26:55Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. It's so interesting that the thing that you would need is just a work ethic.

• 3:27:01Speaker 02

  Like everyone's just like, oh, he's just like a big juice head. And I'm just like, okay, guys, this makes my job easier. I'm glad that we all are agreeing on this. Because it just makes my job so much easier.

• 3:27:11Speaker 01

  The stuff he's talking about also isn't exciting, you know?

• 3:27:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:27:14Speaker 01

  You gotta be super disciplined.

• 3:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing.

• 3:27:18Speaker 02

  But like, like what wins wars is technology and information. Like the, usually the, like a country with more technology, more access to technology and information is going to be able to win a war. It's the same thing for fighting. Like if you know more, most of the time you're gonna be able to, to win more. Like I'm beating these guys because I know more than they do. Everybody's tough. Everybody's strong. Everybody's like, it's, you know, there's guys or even the best guys in the world are super inconsistent. Like they'll win two, they'll lose one, they'll win four, they'll lose two.

• 3:27:53Speaker 02

  But when you know more than everyone in every given position, it's like pretty easy.

• 3:27:58Joe Rogan?

  What's going on? You were telling me your stomach's getting better now?

• 3:28:01Speaker 02

  Um, I can eat a little bit more, uh, like I'm eating like better meals, but uh, training is, training hard is still tough. Like whenever my heart rate gets super high, I start to get like tired from like a hard session. Um, I still get super nauseous, so.

• 3:28:13Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe no one has found a solution to that.

• 3:28:16Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 3:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Have you run your blood work through ChatGPT? Are you done any of that?

• 3:28:20Speaker 02

  The ChatGPT, uh, GPT thing, uh, I gotta do that. You talked to me about that the other day.

• 3:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:28:25Speaker 02

  Um, but doctors know more about space or we know more about space than we do the stomach. Like the, and my issues in the small intestine, which is like the hardest one to treat because like they can look at your stomach with an endoscopy and they can look at your large intestine, intestine with a colonoscopy. But to like figure out what the fuck's going on in your small intestine is like a completely like they just can't, they can't scope it until it's hard.

• 3:28:47Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that it all comes from antibiotics.

• 3:28:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Antibiotics fuck my life up way more than anything else I've ever done to myself.

• 3:28:58Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. But you're not supposed to do them the way you did them, right? You're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year.

• 3:29:04Speaker 02

  Well, so it was like. So if you get staff and you don't treat it, it just spreads and you die.

• 3:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:29:10Speaker 02

  So it was like, I got caught in this like cycle where it was like, I got staff, I took antibiotics, and then I'd be good for two days, got staff, took antibiotics, got staff, took antibiotics, got staff. So it was just like, I'd have like three days of training and then I would just get staff again. Because once my stomach started to get affected and my immune system wasn't as strong, my stomach was trying to, my body was trying to fix my stomach and then I would get staff because my immune system wasn't as strong. So then I'd take antibiotics and then that would destroy my stomach, make my immune system weaker, and then I'd get staff again. So I just got caught in this cycle and I'm sitting there like, I'm not a pussy, I'm not gonna stop training. So it was just me training the whole time regardless of what was going on.

• 3:29:52Speaker 02

  Like I would not train when I had to staff, but I wasn't gonna like take time off and like try to deal with my stomach. I was just like, fuck it, gotta compete next month.

• 3:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Mental toughness can sometimes fuck you up.

• 3:30:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever thought about trying like a long fast?

• 3:30:09Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, I've been forced into like two week fasts, like.

• 3:30:12Joe Rogan?

  Two weeks?

• 3:30:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, yeah, like pretty much like not eating hardly anything. I was actually, before I fought Roberto Jimenez, that one time I called the arm bar. I was in the hospital like two days before that, getting IVs because I just hadn't eaten in like a week and a half, two weeks. Just like couldn't eat anything.

• 3:30:29Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. So obviously then that's not gonna cure it.

• 3:30:35Speaker 02

  No, um, and the problem is, is like everything is trial and error. So it's like, oh, try this for eight weeks. Fucking eight weeks is a long time. And you can try, and you can't like do everything at one time because then you don't know, like, like you said, like I'm, I've just threw everything at it. I don't know what's actually making me feel good. Because so it's like you have to add one thing and take away one thing at a time.

• 3:30:56Joe Rogan?

  What about your diet? Has anything helped in that regard?

• 3:30:59Speaker 02

  Uh, I couldn't eat, I couldn't even eat red meat for a long time. Like everyone was suggesting carnivore, but my stomach just wouldn't digest it. Um, like fast food screws me up, uh, steak sometimes still messes me up. Spicy food I can't do, like light chicken and rice, eggs.

• 3:31:16Joe Rogan?

  God, what a disaster, bro. Crazy.

• 3:31:18Speaker 01

  Fucking disaster.

• 3:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Crazy that you're still able to operate at such a high level with such a giant fucking problem that would really end most people's careers.

• 3:31:26Speaker 02

  It is what it is. Everybody's got their issues.

• 3:31:29Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I just can't imagine that with all the resources of the world that someone hasn't reached out that has a solution. It's a tummy ache, man. You know, I mean, isn't it kinda crazy that you think that no one, there's not one guy out there in Australia or some shit? That's figured it out. That's figured it out.

• 3:31:45Speaker 02

  Well, I mean-

• 3:31:45Joe Rogan?

  That's had the same issues? Yeah.

• 3:31:47Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, there was one, the first time I came on this show, uh, a ton of people reached out. I finally found that guy, um, who like, first of all, when you go to a normal GI doctor, like, the guy in California did tests that none of the other GI doctors even know exist. And I'm like, I don't know how that's po- like, if you ask me a question in jujitsu, it's like, X, Y, Z. Whereas like, you go to one doctor and there's no idea what the other tests were that I got ran on me by another doctor, which is just so insane. So there's one guy that actually ran tests and he was like, "Oh, all these things are wrong with you, and now it's a question of how can we treat them?" But like, most of the doctors I went to, like, all the best doctors in the US, just did like an endoscopy, like, some basic blood work, and they're like, "Oh, you're fine." I'm like, "I'm definitely not fine."

• 3:32:31Joe Rogan?

  So this other doctor that said, "This is what's wrong with you, this is how we-" what was his solution?

• 3:32:36Speaker 02

  Um, well, it's just a bunch of things, like, I mean, I could sit here and list for five minutes of things that are wrong with me, but, um, it was like, you know, we're just gonna do a lot of holistic stuff, like, over the counter, um, stuff, like, um, like binders to like, deal with like mold poisoning, tox- toxic, uh, like, uh, uh, issues. Um, and then a lot of, like, probiotics, anti, like, prescription antifungals, like, just a combination of stuff, uh, like, Glute Shield, like, you just drink it and it like coats the lining of your esophagus and your, and your stomach. Um, cause my big issue is with the small intestine burr, the, the food and bile back up into the stomach, and it just sits there. Cause the stomach, there's, the small intestines are so-

• 3:33:17Joe Rogan?

  And that's what makes you nauseous?

• 3:33:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, you eat food, you get full fast, and the food just sits in your stomach and just like, rots in your stomach and doesn't filter down.

• 3:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god, damn.

• 3:33:28Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 3:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Fun times.

• 3:33:31Speaker 02

  It's basically like being seasick 24/7.

• 3:33:34Joe Rogan?

  And what is your thoughts on competing again?

• 3:33:37Speaker 02

  Um, well, right now, we're just trying to open up this school. So I've been trying to open up this damn school for like, two years, up in North Austin. So, once I get, we're like, right at the tail end of getting that open, so once that, once we get that open and up and running, then I'll, I'll jump back in, if I'm healthy.

• 3:33:52Joe Rogan?

  And there's nothing you can do differently than what you're doing now.

• 3:33:55Speaker 02

  I mean, I have a, I do follow-ups with the guy, like, so for example, it keeps evolving. So like, they, they got that fungal issue, they think, issue, they think, under control. But because the fungal, the fungal issue in the small intestines now is resolved, or mostly resolved, they think.

• 3:34:13Speaker 02

  The lining of the intestines is so inflamed, like a scar, basically. That you have mast cells underneath your, uh, underneath your intestinal wall. So they're like, they're like garbage bags. So when, when food or stomach acid leaks through the intestinal wall and hits the mast cells, they shoot histamines back up to try to prevent it from leaking into your bloodstream. So every time I eat food, these, my, I just get like this, like adrenaline, like adrenal response. Because they just shoot histamines back up into my intestine, uh, from, uh, from under my intestinal walls, back into my intestines. And it just sends my body into like a state of shock. So like, when it was really bad, I would like, every time I eat a meal, my heart rate would go up to like 150.

• 3:34:57Speaker 02

  And just sit there for like 30 minutes. And, and then like your heart rate goes up and your digestive system just stops. So it was like, it would just send my body into like a full panic attack every time I ate a meal. Uh, and I'm like, oh, this is sick. Uh, and now it's gotten like a little bit better because it's starting to heal a little bit, but it's still not 100%. So it's like one problem, just like evolved into another problem. And then like, because the leaky gut was so bad, like my kidneys were shutting down because I couldn't filter out all the, uh, um, like that's when I like took a leave of absence or retired, whatever you want to call it. With, after I fought Wagner, the one time when we first met. Like it was, my leaky gut was so bad, my kidneys started, started to shut down.

• 3:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 3:35:36Speaker 02

  And then, uh, like my blood pressure's high.

• 3:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Have they ever tried oral BPC 157?

• 3:35:41Speaker 02

  I've been on that for like three years, yeah.

• 3:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Is that in any effect?

• 3:35:45Speaker 02

  Uh, a combination of, like, it definitely helps.

• 3:35:47Joe Rogan?

  You gotta try the shop method, whatever they tell you the dose is. Toss the sink at it.

• 3:35:51Speaker 02

  Just do, yeah. Whole bottle. Three times as much.

• 3:35:55Joe Rogan?

  Let's see what happens with a whole bottle.

• 3:35:56Speaker 02

  I'm just hoping Elon makes us cyborgs.

• 3:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:35:59Speaker 02

  Get me in the stomach, I'll be ready to go.

• 3:36:00Joe Rogan?

  My flight's at 7:30, Joe. All right, Doc, let's wrap this up. All right. Thank you, everybody. Love you guys. Fun times.

• 3:36:06Speaker 02

  See you, guys.

• 3:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Love you too. See ya. Bye.

• 3:36:13Speaker 01

  Si, ma chiamate, mi chiamo Marco e mi chiamo Marco.