Jaxon Smith-Njigba & Demarcus Lawrence aim to lift Seahawks back to playoffs, talking Sam Darnold’s leadership, Cooper Kupp’s impact, elite defense, Micah Parsons’ contract, and compare Ohio State vs LSU wide receiver talent in depth.

Our Pivot training camp tour continues as the 2025 NFL season is quickly approaching and we make a stop to catch the Seahawks practicing with Green Bay as Seattle is looking to get back to the postseason being one of the top NFC teams. Ryan, Channing and Fred are sitting for a Sunday Special with NFC West powerhouse and star players Demarcus Lawrence and Jaxon Smith Njigba who give us a glimpse into what the season holds ahead. Coming from Dallas, Demarcus is very clear why he made the change entering his 11th season, what he's found with his new team and sheds light on his former team's contract headlines all summer. Jaxon is excited to see the arm of QB Sam Darnold and line up with the Super Bowl Champion Cooper Kupp, shadowing his veteran leadership and work ethic. Seattle overhauled its offense with new faces—Darnold along with Kupp and new coordinator Klint Kubiak, as JSN looks to lead the offensive core grounded by the run game and supported with a deep threat. On defense, expectations are high with a revamped line featuring D Law, anchored by a talented secondary of Witherspoon, and Woolen) setting up a top-tier defensive outlook. Seattle's preseason has been encouraging—dominant rushing performances, strong offensive cohesion under Kubiak, and a deep receiving group are all signs Seattle is looking to make that postseason push this year. Fun conversation about football, family and following your heart to where you belong, don't forget to comment, like and subscribe to get all the latest episodes and updates on guests. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  The Seattle Seahawks have a mix of old and new talent that they hope could be the perfect formula for a championship run. Now, two important pieces to that puzzle. Former Dallas Cowboys standout DeMarcus Lawrence and third-year Pro Bowl receiver Jackson Smith and Jigba. Lawrence transitions from D-Town, right? The bright lights. And now he's in the quiet Pacific Northwest, where truly, winning a chip is their main focus. He gives advice to Micah, insight on Jerry Jones, and tells us exactly what we can expect from him and the Seattle Seahawks under head coach Mike McDonald. He also brings us to the reason he didn't hang up the cleats. Jackson Smith and Jigba walked into this conversation ready to roll. He's the newly minted number-one wide receiver of the Seattle Seahawks. He brings us back to Walmart Hill.

• 1:14Ryan Clark?

  He tells us a little bit about life behind DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, and some of its similarities to playing with Jets' Garrett Wilson and Saints' Chris Olave back at Ohio State. Oh, crap. I buried the lead. He also names wide receiver U, and it's probably not who you'd think the former Buckeye would pick. So grab a drink and start the grill for a cool Sunday convo as DeMarcus Lawrence and Jackson Smith and Jigba join me and the boys on one of the last stops of the Pivot Training Camp tour right now.

• 1:44Fred Taylor?

  Oh, man. Your turn, bro. The elephants is a part of it, though. I'm not cleaning no elephants.

• 1:51Ryan Clark?

  We're cleaning elephants in Thailand?

• 1:52Fred Taylor?

  Thailand?

• 1:52Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 1:53Fred Taylor?

  You get in the water.

• 1:54Ryan Clark?

  No, I'm cool.

• 1:54Fred Taylor?

  The only reason I didn't get in the water? Because they poop in the water. But the people are like, "Oh, it's safe. It's just..."

• 1:59Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 2:00Fred Taylor?

  I don't believe that.

• 2:01Ryan Clark?

  I'm not cleaning an elephant.

• 2:02Fred Taylor?

  No, I'm not.

• 2:03Ryan Clark?

  That's ridiculous. And too, like, how is that fun or vacation to clean up an elephant? That was my...

• 2:08Fred Taylor?

  It's tradition. It's part of what the tourists do, and it's a big piece of their tourism economics.

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  What would you call the people from Thailand? Thailandians?

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  Thai.

• 2:20Ryan Clark?

  Thai, or just regular Thai?

• 2:21Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 2:22Ryan Clark?

  Oh, well, hell, I'm stupid. Well, I'm not Thai, and I ain't gotta do they traditions.

• 2:26Speaker 05

  Hey Fred, my tradition in my house is you gotta vacuum the floor when you come over, so.

• 2:30Ryan Clark?

  When you, yeah, when you come over, vacuum the floor.

• 2:34Channing Crowder?

  I mean, everybody pick their poison. That wasn't my thing.

• 2:38Speaker 05

  That's the crowd of.

• 2:39Channing Crowder?

  That ain't my thing.

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  That's because you rich though Fred. People like me don't go to Thailand.

• 2:43Channing Crowder?

  What's up, bro? Good? Cooling, cooling.

• 2:45Ryan Clark?

  Brother, welcome. Yes, sir.

• 2:47Speaker 05

  Big man still running.

• 2:48Ryan Clark?

  No doubt.

• 2:49Speaker 05

  Hey, trying to, man, trying to.

• 2:51Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, see, that's the difference. That's that Fred Taylor tax bracket, them slippers right there.

• 2:55Channing Crowder?

  Man, he got his own tax bracket.

• 2:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I already know, like, that don't.

• 2:59Speaker 05

  He's cheaters, man.

• 3:00Channing Crowder?

  That's that good, man.

• 3:01Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Ryan Clark?

  Demarcus Lawrence, man, welcome to the Pivot. Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor, Pivot fam. Thank y'all for pivoting with us on the training camp tour. I think the first thing, man, is when you're in one place for so long and your name becomes synonymous with that team, you were a leader in Dallas, one of the most physical players on the team, one of the most respected players on the team. What's it like now trying to take all the things you've learned there and apply that in Seattle, which is a totally different atmosphere?

• 3:51Speaker 05

  I feel like it's the same, really, you know. Still got a younger group of guys coming in, hungry for the game. And, you know, really just your expertise over the years, you just gotta feed them. And just, you know, really just show them the love, you know, that this game requires. This game can take a lot from you, but it also gives, gives a lot too. So, you know, just, just showing them how to go out there and get it, you know, and just take it one day at a time.

• 4:14Channing Crowder?

  Is it, is it a reset? Because when you a vet, we all know, we played for a while.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:20Channing Crowder?

  Now you can, you know, I can come off this edge, I ain't really working you.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:25Channing Crowder?

  But now you come to a new place, do you gotta show them, hey, I'm still that dude now, don't act crazy. Like, to go from somewhere where you were respected, everybody knew them tackles ain't want to see you, now you go to a new place, okay, y'all gotta see me now.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Nah, I feel like they still know what's up.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  Nah, they know what's up, man, but it's, you know, it's just more of, you know, just being able to, you know, get to a place where your teammates trust you. You know, if you're playing slow and, you know, the guys behind you don't know if you're in one gap or the other, it makes them, you know, play a little slower. So, you know, just being able to get out there and, you know, go fast so, you know, the guys behind you trust you.

• 5:01Fred Taylor?

  Coming here, smaller market, leaving Dallas, obviously, a lot of media attention there. But you have the spotlight and then you have substance, right? Do you feel like, what's your approach in that? Has that been a big difference, a change for you since you got here?

• 5:19Speaker 05

  So, my understanding of the game is,

• 5:23Speaker 05

  entertainment comes with it. You know, you have to be an entertainer, you know, at this level of football. You know, Dallas made me understand that. But, you know, now that I'm in Seattle, you know, and I have the opportunity to just focus strictly on ball, you know, that's what I'm looking for. So, I'm in the right position.

• 5:41Ryan Clark?

  I think that is my question, though. Why Seattle and why now?

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Well, first and foremost, one door got closed on me. That's why. And then, second, I mean, you know, I had a great opportunity, a young team, a hungry head coach that's defensive minded. I know my journey wasn't over playing football. So, I mean, one door closed and shoot, I still wanted to play. So, I chose Seattle.

• 6:04Ryan Clark?

  D-Lo, what's that like? I've been through it, you know, but I was an undrafted guy. You know, so I always had the feeling that no place was truly home.

• 6:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:14Ryan Clark?

  Right, that at some point, they'd get rid of me, they'd be tired of me, they'd be able to replace me. When you do what you were able to do in Dallas, when the film is still hot the way it was. I mean, there were times on TV, man, I would say, when other teams are running the football, I was like, "Man, but they ain't running at him."

• 6:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:33Ryan Clark?

  Right, he's inverting the line of scrimmage. How difficult is it to deal with that door closing, knowing what you had already given that organization?

• 6:44Speaker 05

  I mean, the first couple of months was difficult. You know, I got to make a decision, uproot my family out of their natural habitat and, you know, change a lot of things. But, I mean, the main thing is, it's still football. You know, no matter what jersey you put on or what number you have, you know, go out there and play the same game you've been playing. So, I mean, it was hard the first couple of months, you know. I had to get used to it, you know, it's like that. I'm a Seahawk now.

• 7:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 05

  Like, nah, you ain't no Cowboy, so. Uh, but, you know, overall, like, you know, the game don't change, so. Yeah, that's the main thing.

• 7:17Channing Crowder?

  Was the breakup, was it nasty? Was it, you know what I'm saying? Cause now, even now, what's going on with Mike and all, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's, and to Ryan's point, is all, you know, everything that goes on in Dallas.

• 7:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:30Channing Crowder?

  We didn't really hear a lot about your stuff. It was just like, oh damn, he a Seahawk now. Was it, was it, was it nice? Was it mutual? Was it, you know, how, how did it go for you to be somewhere so long and then? We don't need you no more.

• 7:42Speaker 05

  That's basically how it was. Um, it was, I don't think it was nasty. It was more of, thank you, D-Law, for everything that you done. You know, we decided to, you know, move elsewhere. So it's like, alright, cool. It's your business, your organization. Do whatever you feel, but that don't mean like,

• 7:59Channing Crowder?

  I can't.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  D-Law gonna sit down, cause you decided to go another way, you know? So, that's all it was.

• 8:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, RC kinda touched on the, the mental shift and the mindset of having been somewhere for so long and then having to make this transition.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:14Fred Taylor?

  It reminds me of my 11 years in Jacksonville. You did 11 in Dallas. And I went on to play two more in, uh, New England. I know that offseason, I was like, alright, I'm gonna show people I still got it. And I went and I earned the starting job and I was able to play and do all those things. How has your offseason been, this offseason, offseason in preparation to come join your new ball club versus how they had been before?

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Dealing with a different coaching staff and, you know, different teammates, different environment. It's really been the same, man. Um, getting off the ball, making sure I'm winning my one-on-ones. You know, letting the hands lead the eyes. Really going back to the details of playing, being a D lineman. You know, once I go through those details, it's really like second nature now, you know? Um, so, I don't think, nothing really has changed. It's more of, you know, just the jersey and, you know, different attitude of a team.

• 9:09Ryan Clark?

  When you see people at the height of their game, Mm-hmm. It's always fun to look to where they came from, right? To be in South Carolina, to have to go to Juco.

• 9:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:20Ryan Clark?

  Like, you had to work your way. To get here, you know, coming out of school, at least a lot of people thought you're supposed to be a first-rounder based on talent and obviously the film has said that. Some of the setbacks, man, you had at Boise and, you know, missing some games and some of those things, just bad decisions, mistakes. What did that time teach you to allow you to be the man you are today and the leader you became?

• 9:44Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, y'all boys did y'all research. All right.

• 9:46Speaker 05

  You know, those times definitely did, you know, show me, um, you know, I couldn't be a kid going into a grown man's business. Um, you know, I had times when, you know, I got suspended for, you know, protecting the teammate, you know, but it's like, all right, I'm gonna take that lick because, you know, I potentially saved a guy's life, you know, so it's like, you know, small things that happen to you, you can have good intentions, but bad things can still happen, you know what I mean? Or you can have bad intentions.

• 10:16Ryan Clark?

  It's a road to hell.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? So I feel like I had good intentions, but you know, I still got the short end of the stick, so, uh, but that also showed me like, shoot, out of sight, out of mind, you know, uh, you don't have to be everywhere that everyone's at, you know, um, you know, more of my social life is more to myself and to my family, you know, because of things that don't happen in my past, so, you know, it really just, you know, made me grow up as a man and, you know, see things from, you know, a different perspective.

• 10:44Fred Taylor?

  So today at practice, we saw a few fights, you know, and you say you was helping out your teammates. Both teams, it's different than when I was playing. Cause I see both teams, everybody emptying the bench and everybody running out there.

• 10:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:58Fred Taylor?

  They asked me, and I know who he was talking, but they asked me, they say, Freddie, you ain't never fight, huh? He was the instigator.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:05Fred Taylor?

  I never fought.

• 11:06Ryan Clark?

  D-Law, this man never had a practice fight though.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:10Ryan Clark?

  Now come on.

• 11:11Fred Taylor?

  Look, I'm the bread and butter. You want your, you want your star player to get hurt?

• 11:15Speaker 05

  You right.

• 11:16Fred Taylor?

  See, see, so what Coughlin said was this.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  Want to see you lock up?

• 11:19Fred Taylor?

  What Coughlin said was this, you, they're gonna get fined for fighting. You gonna break something, you increase the liability, injuries. If I go out there, I'm putting myself in harm's way, right?

• 11:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:30Fred Taylor?

  I go out there and break it up? Nah, they fighting, fighting, right?

• 11:32Speaker 05

  Right.

• 11:33Fred Taylor?

  So, so as a vet, what do you think about training camp fights? Cause y'all a whole team ran out there. That's what y'all supposed to do?

• 11:41Speaker 05

  I mean, if he's your brother, you ain't gonna let your brother.

• 11:45Channing Crowder?

  He's my brother too.

• 11:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, I mean, you go out there and make sure you can pull your brother out the scuffle. I mean, you ain't gotta, you know, intentionally lock up or, you know, throw fists, but, you know, protect your brother at all costs. I mean, if you see something thrown, like, you might have to get in there, you feel me? So.

• 12:03Channing Crowder?

  I mean, maybe it's just a defensive thing. I wanna be your teammate, he, I don't wanna be nothing.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  I ain't never said I was gonna go in there and start throwing them things.

• 12:12Ryan Clark?

  That's a different story. But to what Fred is talking about, though, this defense can be really good.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:20Ryan Clark?

  Right? Mike McDonald's a great defensive mind. You and Leonard up front, man, two of the best to do it in this era, right? And then also, you think about what you guys got on the back end. Two Pro Bowl corners, a Pro Bowl safety, Kobe Bryant who's coming along, you draft Nick. How exciting is it to be on this defense now as an older player, realizing how much young talent Seattle has on that side of the ball?

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Oh, it's beautiful, man. You know, it's just, it makes me feel younger, you know, having all those dogs around you, you know. It's like, shoot, everybody else decided, you know, getting in on the fun. I gotta, you know, join in on the fun too, so. Makes you more hungry, makes you wanna get after it, knowing you got dogs with you.

• 13:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. Is it different playing for a defensive coach? Cause I know you played football in your career, but defensive dudes are, like Fred just brought up, defensive dudes are different. Defensive coaches are different.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:14Channing Crowder?

  I had Saban, then I had Cam Cameron, who was the most pleasant, terrible fucking coach I've ever played for in my life. Like, now playing for a defensive dude, is it a different approach to the game? Is it a different thing for y'all? Is the team set differently playing for a guy with that mindset?

• 13:31Speaker 05

  I mean, it's different for me, you know, my whole career, I only had offensive-minded coaches. And, you know, now that I do have a defensive, you know, coach.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  I like it. I like it a lot. The way he process things, instead of, you know, the D-line running everything, like he implement D-line snuts into, you know, his packages, you know, so it's like, you know, I don't really have to think too much. All I gotta do is go. Yeah.

• 14:00Fred Taylor?

  How do you get back to 2017, 18 form when you had double-digit sacks?

• 14:07Fred Taylor?

  Or are you already there? Just got to see.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Give me some new knees and some, some, some new ankles.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  You know, I don't, I don't think no, no man can, you know, rewrite history, you know? Only thing we can do is learn from our mistakes and, you know, try to get better that way. I'm definitely smarter and, you know, my technique is way more cleaner.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  I mean, most of the time I know what the offense doing before they do it, so, you know, just, just taking that to the field, you know, lining up and, you know, being ready and being present with my guys, making sure my guys are ready, shoot, we'll be alright.

• 14:40Fred Taylor?

  What, what are those little things? Cause RC and I, we both played double-digit, we played 13 years each. You're slowly approaching that. And you mentioned that the physical side of it starts to diminish a little bit, but there are other things you can do to kinda help you stay at the top of your game. For you, what are some of those, those little extra, you know, things away from the field that you might do so you can give yourself the best opportunity to go and excel?

• 15:06Speaker 05

  Shoot, pray, meditate, eat healthy, treatment, lots of treatment, you know? But things on the field, you know, that you can do is really watch film, pay attention to your keys, let your keys lead you, and shoot. Like, once you, once you started dissect your key, like, you'll, you'll start to see so many more things that, you know, offenses are doing, you know, motioning with the tight ends, zips, a lot of teams like to run towards the zip, you know, it's like, alright, cool, you know? Yeah.

• 15:41Channing Crowder?

  Hey, bro, we talked about this before. I've talked about this a number of times on the show. So you praying to go get a sack.

• 15:47Speaker 05

  I knew what he about to ask.

• 15:49Channing Crowder?

  That damn tackle praying God that you can't get past him. Like, you think God favors the team because y'all both asking God to do y'all's job?

• 16:00Channing Crowder?

  I'm a Christian, I go to church with my kid, we do devotionals every night. Ain't near a football game, I say, "God, let me make this tackle." Because that damn running back is telling God, "Don't make me make, no, don't let me make this tackle."

• 16:12Speaker 05

  I feel like God does, you know, answers individual's prayers. But it's about who's more connected, you know? Who's spending that more time with him? Who's understanding his voice and can move when he tells you to move? You know, instead of you hearing it and, you know, it's like, "Well, shoot, I ain't ready for that." You know, "I don't want to move like that, I want to do it my way." You know, so that's why I take the shots that I take out there on the field. Because it's like, shoot, you know, if you tell me to go, I'ma go. You tell me to go to Seattle, I'ma go to Seattle.

• 16:46Ryan Clark?

  So you think God saw me at Tootsie's and didn't let me make that interception?

• 16:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, he definitely seen you in there.

• 16:58Ryan Clark?

  Hey, no question.

• 16:59Channing Crowder?

  You ain't gonna get a.

• 17:00Ryan Clark?

  Hey, the Jay one, Jay, we don't know what he said afterwards, but he know for sure he saw you in there. He everywhere, even in no spot.

• 17:10Channing Crowder?

  I'm telling you.

• 17:10Ryan Clark?

  You know, also too, Jay, favor ain't fair, you know what I'm saying? And sometimes God's, you know, God's nose are, "Wait a second." Or God's nose are a redirection. And I think, you know, you're in a place where, you know, you get to realize that. Now, I want to ask a question about championships.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Championships?

• 17:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, the place you come from, it is about entertainment. And it is about.

• 17:39Ryan Clark?

  The star and the fact that we could generate money and we don't have to win rings. Seattle had LOB where they became a championship organizations. They're trying to get back there now, but for you individually, time is running out. How important is it for you to be here and have an opportunity to compete to win the entire thing?

• 18:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, man, it's very important. You know, that's all I was thinking about this whole offseason. You know, do I hang it up or do I go and compete for, you know, opportunity to win a championship? You know, and, you know, from my head coach to, you know, my D-line and my whole defense and, you know, my offense now, I mean, you know, my offense been looking pretty well and, you know, I'm liking what I'm seeing. So, you know, I feel like we got the right culture, got the right culture here, but also we building something that, you know, can't be torn down, you know, just by, you know, the media or, you know, outside figures. We building a true brotherhood, so, you know, I'm all for it, man. And, you know, for championships, man, I look at it like, I mean, the playoffs are

• 18:46Speaker 05

  a big tournament, you know, like it's one game, you know, if you don't make it that game, it ain't like basketball, you got seventh, you know, so it's really all about, you know, you being on your best foot for on that day. Once we get through the regular season, that's when we will start thinking about championships.

• 19:04Fred Taylor?

  Have you had much time or spent much time with Cooper, with Cooper Cup?

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, we talk every now and then.

• 19:11Fred Taylor?

  How's his transition been? Is it similar in your conversations or what's different?

• 19:16Speaker 05

  I think Cooper is from Washington, you know, around this Washington area, so, you know, it's more of he's back home and me, you know, I'm 10,000 miles away from home, so, but, you know, I don't know. I gotta ask him more about that transition because he's basically still in the same division, you know, so it's a little different.

• 19:40Ryan Clark?

  If you were in Oxnard for the last three weeks or what would be Dallas now, we all see from the outside what's going on with your former teammate, your former team, what would be advice you could give to Micah Parsons as he now deals with trying to figure out how he handles his contract negotiations?

• 20:02Speaker 05

  That's a shaky situation, man.

• 20:06Speaker 05

  You have an owner on one hand that's basically asking him to go prove it and, you know, play another year. But, you know, you got a young star on the other hand, it's like hired and proved enough to you, you know, you gotta pay me my money. So, I mean, it's really hard to, you know, speak on it, you know, because, you know, with my situation, Jerry Franchise had me the first time, you know, and he was like, shoot, if you can prove it under this franchise tag, I'll pay you. So I was like, alright, cool, that's basically double dipping to me, you know what I mean? I get the franchise and, you know, money on the back end, so alright, cool, I'll go prove it. You know, did that, and he was a man of his word, he paid me, you know, so it's like,

• 20:50Speaker 05

  I don't know what was said behind closed doors with their situation, so, you know, I can't just say like, pay that man, or, you know, don't pay that man, you know, it's... That's their business, you feel me?

• 21:03Channing Crowder?

  Is that dynamic weird to have the owner be the GM? Because it seems like two different things that shouldn't be touched, and we know it's just Jerry that is in that position, but is that a weird thing that now he down, he jumping around, he holding everything, he there for you, and then now it's negotiation time?

• 21:21Speaker 05

  Well, it might be weird to everybody else, but like, coming from Dallas and being in Dallas my whole career, that's all I knew, you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't see no, no difference in it, you know, the owner or the GM, it's, you know?

• 21:36Channing Crowder?

  But it's two different hats, like you can see him as the owner, and then now, okay, now we gotta negotiate, but now we still friends, and now we gotta negotiate. It seems, it seems like a funny dynamic.

• 21:45Speaker 05

  See, like, that's why I think people be getting to miss, miss the screw. Like, you handle your business and stuff, Jerry will pay you.

• 21:52Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he's done it.

• 21:53Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? But you, you gotta also understand, like, he ain't in this organization by itself, you know, so, you know, he, he got his boys too, you know, that tells him, hey, like, we need to be careful about this, we need to, hold on, we might don't need to pay him that much, you know what I mean? But, you know, overall, through my experience... He paid me, so I ain't got nothing to say.

• 22:13Ryan Clark?

  Each experience is individual, right? We're all independent contractors, but winning a championship is the ultimate goal. You've had a great career thus far, and I know that's going to be the thing that makes you say, okay, I've done enough. How close were you, as we wrap? How close were you to hanging it up before deciding on Seattle?

• 22:33Speaker 05

  I was pretty close, but, you know, thankful for my family. You know, my kids and my wife weren't ready for me to hang it up. You know, they told me like, why not give it another try? Had an opportunity to, you know, sign with Washington. They was like, yeah, like, that's a championship contender team. And it's like, me personally, I'm not no bandwagon guy. You know, I'm not going to sit here and, you know, jump on the team because y'all have a good opportunity to go to the championship. It's more of like, well, what am I needed for? If y'all already got that type of team, like, y'all don't need me. You know, so it's all about, you know, me bringing my attitude and my personality to a team to help us get to where we need to be.

• 23:14Ryan Clark?

  Man, thank you so much for your time, bro. It's been fascinating and exciting to watch you play thus far. Can't wait to see what you do here in Seattle.

• 23:22Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 23:22Ryan Clark?

  My man, thank you.

• 23:23Fred Taylor?

  You ain't want to go play them boys twice a year?

• 23:26Ryan Clark?

  I know, that's what I was finna say.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  I mean, shoot. My entire cowboy.

• 23:32Channing Crowder?

  That's zero garbage.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  The garbage?

• 23:34Channing Crowder?

  That's zero garbage.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  Wait till you see me in this showtime. Wait till you see me in this showtime.

• 23:38Ryan Clark?

  Zero hard, dawg.

• 23:39Fred Taylor?

  I like zero.

• 23:42Speaker 05

  Wait till you see me in the band, Scott, I don't.

• 23:44Ryan Clark?

  Dog, zero hard. I think zero is amazing.

• 23:46Fred Taylor?

  I ain't even hatin', man.

• 23:48Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir. What up, dawg? Appreciate you. Yes, sir.

• 23:52Speaker 05

  Good to see you.

• 23:53Channing Crowder?

  Them boys in shape. They like to keep their arms.

• 23:55Fred Taylor?

  It's hard to go by quick, don't it? We were just in Kansas City on draft night.

• 23:59Ryan Clark?

  Man, yes, true.

• 24:00Fred Taylor?

  That's wild.

• 24:01Speaker 05

  Just like that.

• 24:02Channing Crowder?

  Year three already. And a Pro Bowl already.

• 24:05Ryan Clark?

  Right. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, this is Fred Taylor. I'm Ryan Clark. It's Channing Crowder, pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with us. Training camp tour part two, Seattle, already set with D-Law. Um, I have a question, because I think I might have got this wrong. There's a thing called Walmart Hill? Yeah, how you hear about that? So... What is it?

• 24:25Speaker 06

  It's just something I grew up on, man. Walmart Hill, right next to Rockwall High School where I went. And, you know, a lot of stories, a lot of, a lot of work, hard work. You know, my dad would always take me there and it's a, it's a legend, legendary hill, you know, for me.

• 24:40Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like when I heard, when I heard the name, I was like, whoa. Is this the spot?

• 24:45Speaker 06

  It's in the back of Walmart.

• 24:46Ryan Clark?

  Oh, got you.

• 24:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's all.

• 24:50Ryan Clark?

  It's in the back of Walmart, that's all it is. Now it makes total sense. It seems like your college career and professional career sort of parallel, right? You get to Ohio State, five-star recruit, 2,000 yards your senior year, 35 TUDs. But Garrett Wilson and Chris Alave are there, right? Two future first-rounders. And you gotta kind of make your way. And then you get drafted 20th overall, but Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf are there. And you had to wait your turn again. What has it been like, man, knowing for sure that you're the lead dog in the wide receiver room now?

• 25:27Speaker 06

  Man, it feels good. It feels good. I know what my team expects from me and I expect more from myself than anyone could, you know, put on me. So it's good. I just love playing with great players as well and we have great players on our team. So that's always awesome and, you know, it, it's great, you know, to learn from those guys. DK, Tyler, Garrett, Chris, Coop. It's awesome. So I don't take that for granted and, but I'm excited for new opportunities.

• 25:58Speaker 06

  Stuff, you know, I've been praying for and stuff, you know, that I, that I've been wanting. So I just want to take full advantage of it.

• 26:04Channing Crowder?

  To piggyback off that question, because I remember high school was easy and you were five-star.

• 26:09Speaker 06

  But, but, but I wasn't a five-star like that. Like, I was five-star in the middle of the game, my senior year of high school, like playoffs.

• 26:19Channing Crowder?

  You, you, you were dominating. You dominated at some point in high school. When I was in high school, I was an All-American too. It's like, okay, get the comments. I'm a

• 26:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:28Channing Crowder?

  Hey, this, hey, this motherfucker has no superiority until he gets to the league.

• 26:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:35Channing Crowder?

  But I, I ain't gonna lie, like, I, I got high school All-American, college, second year All-American, all SEC, both years.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:42Channing Crowder?

  Then I got to the league and I was like, oh, these motherfuckers playing, playing.

• 26:46Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:46Channing Crowder?

  What was that difference when you got to the league? And you became a Pro Bowler. I'll give you credit, I never became a Pro Bowler. There you go. But that transition now, could we talk to you back?

• 26:57Speaker 06

  When you got drafted.

• 26:57Channing Crowder?

  When you were coming out, when you got drafted, and now you've been in the league a couple of years, and you have showed that you belong at this level.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Right, it's been great. There's highs and lows in this thing, and I'm just blessed to be in the opportunity. I always felt as myself, you know, yes, I was a five-star and stuff like that, but I always felt like underrated, you know what I'm saying? I always felt like I had to prove something. You know, I feel like nothing was ever given to me just coming out of high school. You know, I wasn't a huge recruit starting off for real. I didn't even get invited to the opening, you know, I was, you know, I was last call, had to fly back, and that was going into my senior year or so. And then senior year, in the middle of the playoffs, you know, I gave them no choice but to, you know, give me that fifth star for real.

• 27:41Channing Crowder?

  I remember the video.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, 100%, yeah. So, and then you get to Ohio State, it's the same thing, like, you know, we had the number one recruit and my class receiver, like, I wasn't, we got all these guys, like, so it's that, it's just proving myself and improving, you know, each and every day. And then the league is, is no different, you know, that's who I am. I'm a, I just try to stay consistent, I love the work, you know, I'm about to work and, you know, and then everything else falls in line, you know?

• 28:12Fred Taylor?

  And year three, we're here where you have to basically prove yourself. They went out and spent the big draft pick three years ago to bring you in, but Coach Carroll's gone, right? Geno's gone, DK is gone, Tyler's gone. It's a complete reset for you, but you do have a savvy vet and Super Bowl MVP, Cooper Cup,

• 28:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:33Fred Taylor?

  to kind of help steer you and help develop that leadership. What does it mean for you personally? Haven't had that reset, but now you are like you're catapulted to the front as a guy that this team is going to depend heavy on.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  Man, for me, it's, you know, it's God's timing, it's perfect timing, man. You know, I think it's awesome to see, like Ryan said, how my years just kind of, kind of looks alike, just being able to learn from these guys, you know, and now I feel most ready, ready more than ever, you know. I'm excited, I feel, you know, like I'm in the right place and it was just that offseason and that time to get better and understand, you know, that what was coming and get prepared for it, so, you know, you know, I felt great about it.

• 29:23Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man, time out. No, no, I'm not finna let this keep going now, right? You sitting here, you like, yeah, you know, I'm just grateful, you know, God gave me opportunity, I feel blessed. Bruh, I just left practice, yeah, like I was watching.

• 29:36Fred Taylor?

  We saw it.

• 29:37Ryan Clark?

  And every time you was cooking, you was getting up and you was letting people know. How much confidence, though, do you have at this point that not only did you have to earn the spot, because you did, right, they didn't just give it to you, but that you're ready to do it? I was watching you on the field today and you could see every time you stepped up to the line of scrimmage, you believed that you could get open and you believed that you could catch the ball. And then after you caught the ball, you let people know, I'm gonna catch the next one too. Where does that confidence in you come from and sort of that switch you could flip when it's time to snap the ball?

• 30:12Speaker 06

  Because I feel like they don't know, man. I feel like, I feel like these guys don't know for real and that's, and that's why I was telling, bro, like, these guys, you know, I got a, I got a lot, you know, to show, you know what I'm saying? And, and like I said, I feel ready and I am humble, but, you know, when it's out there, you know, I wanna, I wanna let them know, you know, that I'm right, you know, that I'm proving myself right. Every single day I put the work in, I trust it and, you know, time to shine, you know?

• 30:38Fred Taylor?

  Jack, I, I was just asking about Cooper before I see, let you cook, because you was cooking earlier, you enjoyed it. But having Cooper, right, Super Bowl guy, I mentioned all these, his accolades. Does that take some of the pressure off you not having to just be tossed directly into the, like, leadership role? Like, how does, how does that, you know, relationship work?

• 31:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean... For me, it's a great, great guy to have. You know, defense has to account for it. And the way football is moving, the way football is changing, you see, you know, winning teams, they got guys all over the field, you know? So to have Coop has been great. He's like a coach on the field, knows anything, can ask him anything. He knows the answer to it. I'm blessed to have Coop. I'm blessed to have this transition, you know, to where my, where my career is going.

• 31:28Ryan Clark?

  So what about? No, right, you, you have Gino, who resurrected his career in Seattle. You know, we had Gino on the show. You could see the confidence. You could see the adversity built a man to be a leader, right? Sam Darnold has had to go through that same sort of adversity, right? They didn't want him in New York. He goes to Minnesota, has an amazing Pro Bowl year. And I remember when my son was getting recruited as an underclassman, we got to watch Sam warm up at USC. And I was like, that's what it looks like. I was telling him, I was like, when you see a real one spin it, that's what it is. What's it been like sort of developing the chemistry with Sam throughout this offseason?

• 32:11Ryan Clark?

  And how do you see that playing out this year?

• 32:14Speaker 06

  It's been great. I think Sam has all the tools for us to be a great team. And just the way he comes into work, you know, people follow him. You know what I'm saying? Just like you said, back in USC. So we trust him, you know? He, he wants to win, you know? You can see it, you can see it on your teammates, you know? The guys who really want to win, you know, who you mess up, things like, we gonna get it, we gonna get it right. And that's who Sam is. So we all appreciate that and we trust in Sam. And we know, you know, he gonna get the job done for sure.

• 32:44Channing Crowder?

  Hey, we were watching Sam today. Sam can spin that thing.

• 32:47Speaker 06

  Nah, he can spin it. And he want to spin it. I love, I love football, he want to spin it.

• 32:51Channing Crowder?

  I'm saying, he sling it. Do you ever, do you go back? Cause he had, he had Jet, he had Jetta in Minnesota. Do you go and watch their connection? You know, to get ready, like, is it, am I, am I going backwards to get forward or forward to get backwards to see what Sam does? And now that you that guy, you're his, you're his new target?

• 33:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I watched a lot of their film. You know, as soon as, as soon as I got the call, as soon as I seen on Twitter. You know, I went straight to Sam's highlights, went straight to Jets and to see what those guys were doing. And they had a phenomenal year and he was letting it fly. And I think, you know, that his trust levels, you know, were there. He knew to get the ball in those guys' hands and, you know, I feel like I'm the same, same type player.

• 33:33Channing Crowder?

  Which way does it go? Kind of the same question, does it go with, hey, bruh, hit that bitch a little tighter? Or does it go where you tell him, hey, I'mma, I'mma, I'mma, I'mma get tighter? Like, which way does it go or is it both ways?

• 33:47Speaker 06

  I think it goes more my way. I think it goes more my way, like, I'mma, you know, do this, boom, boom, boom. Like, if something goes wrong, it's, you know, it's, you know what I'm saying? It's, you know what I'm saying? He be on it. He be, he be ready to get the ball out. So, you know, learning that, you know, that was, that was kind of, you know, different for me. Especially being, you know, number one target, you know, it was different for me. So that's something we had to learn and I tell him, you know, you know, okay, I know, I see what you're saying. It makes sense. Let's get it.

• 34:18Fred Taylor?

  Hey, Jax, real quick, just off football for a split second. Where is Nakadotus?

• 34:24Speaker 06

  Nakadotus, Texas, Stephen F. Austin.

• 34:28Fred Taylor?

  How close is it to Dallas?

• 34:29Speaker 06

  East Texas, it's about, it's some, it's some hours away from Dallas. It's east Texas.

• 34:33Fred Taylor?

  Cowboys fan?

• 34:34Speaker 06

  I grew up a Cowboys fan.

• 34:35Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, so what year were you born?

• 34:37Speaker 06

  2002.

• 34:39Fred Taylor?

  So you didn't get a chance to see the Super Bowl runs or maybe even a producer?

• 34:42Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, heartbreakers.

• 34:42Fred Taylor?

  Down in Dallas?

• 34:44Speaker 06

  People yelling at the TV, that's what I grew up on. People yelling at the TV, people not understanding what's going on, you know? But I grew up a, you know, Dez Bryant, Tony Romo fan. They was, they was doing their thing, you know what I'm saying?

• 34:56Channing Crowder?

  Did Dez catch it?

• 34:56Speaker 06

  Say it again.

• 34:56Channing Crowder?

  Did Dez catch it?

• 34:57Speaker 06

  He definitely caught it.

• 34:58Channing Crowder?

  I mean, we in Green Bay now.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  100%, he caught that. That, that sounds, that sounds like a receiver answer. No, he definitely caught it.

• 35:18Ryan Clark?

  How did he not catch? He caught the ball.

• 35:20Speaker 06

  I think the rules with the NFL too on this catching, you know, them thinking the ball's not gonna move, you know, because it hit the ground. But, you know, you still have possession. I had a catch like that versus the Cowboys. I don't...

• 35:34Speaker 06

  That rule, that rule right there, that really hits home.

• 35:37Fred Taylor?

  And as a young dog though, like who were, you know, who were some of your favorite receivers coming up? If you can give me like just a handful, maybe four or five.

• 35:47Speaker 06

  Me just watching with my, with my eyes, I would, I would say Dez Bryant.

• 35:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 35:54Speaker 06

  T.O. Watched him a lot.

• 35:58Speaker 06

  And, and, and some guys that, you know, really are still in the league. Like, you know, I used to, being from Texas, watching, you know, guys like C.D. Lamb at OU.

• 36:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  There's a lot. I feel like I watched a lot of college ball, honestly, growing up.

• 36:12Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 36:13Ryan Clark?

  Okay, here's my question, right? When we sat with Garrett after he was drafted, you know, when we talked about the whole rookie dinner thing, and he was like, nah, they ain't finna get me like that. He told us, and we thought he was lying. He was like, man, he's like, but Jackson is the one, right? And I remember, I think you went for 1600 when both Chris and Garrett was there. But you've had, I mean, all the way back to, bro, like David Boston and like T.G. Like you guys have had players. If you had to give me the five best Ohio State wide receivers, and I feel like you gotta include Jeremiah Smith if we're just talking about it.

• 36:51Speaker 06

  1,000%.

• 36:52Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 36:52Speaker 06

  I was, yeah.

• 36:53Ryan Clark?

  Give me the five best Ohio State receivers.

• 36:57Speaker 06

  The list is, is, is different for me. Like we're going careers at Ohio State.

• 37:01Ryan Clark?

  That's all I want.

• 37:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like that. So with the, the best careers, you know, right now, I'm putting, I'm putting David Boston in there. Putting Ted Ginn in there. I'm putting Chris Olave in there. Marvin Harrison and J.J.

• 37:19Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 37:20Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 37:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:21Ryan Clark?

  So here's the second question. This is a very important question to me.

• 37:25Ryan Clark?

  LSU or Ohio State wide receiver U?

• 37:30Ryan Clark?

  Now we, hey.

• 37:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:32Ryan Clark?

  Hey.

• 37:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:34Ryan Clark?

  So what we, alright. So what, so we got, I mean, it's Jeddahs.

• 37:39Speaker 06

  I know who y'all got.

• 37:40Ryan Clark?

  Jamar's.

• 37:40Speaker 06

  I know who y'all got.

• 37:42Ryan Clark?

  So who you got? You taking Ohio State?

• 37:44Speaker 06

  Who I'm taking?

• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  Or LSU? Who are you giving wide receiver U right now?

• 37:48Speaker 06

  Right now, this second, I would go LSU.

• 37:53Ryan Clark?

  This second?

• 37:54Speaker 06

  You know what I'm saying? Shout out to them boys. They good, but when we talk about.

• 37:59Ryan Clark?

  All time?

• 38:00Speaker 06

  Wait, all time?

• 38:01Fred Taylor?

  Nah, not all time.

• 38:02Speaker 06

  All time? Or right now?

• 38:04Ryan Clark?

  You're trying to change the rules.

• 38:05Speaker 06

  All time? Oh, right now in the NFL?

• 38:07Ryan Clark?

  Right now?

• 38:08Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 38:08Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, right now, yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 06

  But, but give it.

• 38:10Ryan Clark?

  All time for sure.

• 38:12Speaker 06

  All time, yeah, no question. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't even something I, you know, process him saying. But receiver U right now, yeah, I give it to him, uh, these last couple of years and, you know, you gotta, you gotta say that. But, um, you know, I think we gonna have something to say about that here in a few.

• 38:32Fred Taylor?

  And I'mma just throw cousin in, cause he family, San Antonio homes.

• 38:35Speaker 06

  San Antonio homes, that's my dog.

• 38:37Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? Just throw cousin out there.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  I know you working on this golf. I'mma be out there.

• 38:41Ryan Clark?

  No San Antonio? I don't have a Super Bowl ring.

• 38:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:44Ryan Clark?

  To me, to me, it's the greatest catch in Super Bowl history.

• 38:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, 1,000%.

• 38:48Ryan Clark?

  You know, for you now, though, Jackson, man, like, you didn't go to a school that wasn't about winning, right? There, there's certain schools you go to where you expect individual excellence, but team excellence is above that. Seattle created a history of winning, you know, under Pete Carroll with Russell Wilson, Lob, Marshawn Lynch. How do you guys, under Mike McDonald, restore that legacy of winning?

• 39:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, we, we just gotta understand, um, what we want and how we're gonna get there. First, there has to be a clear message, and I think, uh, Coach Mike McDonald has done a great job of that, like, hey, greats have came before us, won Super Bowls, you know, unfortunately, we're not them, you know what I'm saying? But we gotta, we gotta create our own, our own juice, and we have, we have. Great guys with great spirits that love football that we believe that we're gonna create our own story and we're eager to do that and you can feel it for me, I can feel it in from the front office to the players, down to the people at the lunchroom, you know, janitors, EQ, like I can feel it around the building, it's buzzing and that's, you

• 39:59Speaker 06

  know, that's, I feel like that's where it starts, you know, lay down the concrete and I feel like we've done that. I love that.

• 40:04Channing Crowder?

  It's funny, we're at practice today, we actually, I was talking to some, I would say, high-ranking officials in this organization and they said something about like the locker room.

• 40:15Speaker 06

  Brotherhood.

• 40:16Channing Crowder?

  Like where the locker room, the Brotherhood, like what, how, how, how it is and then we sit down with D-Law and he said the same thing, I ain't even say nothing about it, he was like, "Bro, the locker room is, is tight." What does that mean? What's the difference in this locker room this season?

• 40:30Speaker 06

  I mean, it means everything, you know what I'm saying? Just, you know, just the respect from, you know, from others, you know, we respect each other and we have a young team, we have a young, excited, juiced-up team that, you know, we do what we preach, you know, and we preach, you know, have your brothers back, you know, first and foremost, you know what I'm saying, when we out there, on the field, off the field and, you know, I think, you know, just the classes stacking up, you know, I think we've just, you know, reloaded and reloaded and we feel like, you know, we gonna get over that hump for real, like we really believe that.

• 41:05Fred Taylor?

  Who've been in the training camp surprises or who are you most excited to see out there this year, your teammates?

• 41:12Speaker 06

  Teammates?

• 41:13Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 06

  I mean, I feel like our whole defense, you know, be rocking, I'm excited to, you know, line up next to Coop out there for real, in real time and, uh, Tory Whore, the young guy, I'm excited to see K9 toe the rock this year.

• 41:28Fred Taylor?

  Nice.

• 41:29Speaker 06

  I'm excited to see.

• 41:30Ryan Clark?

  He get loose. He get, he get missing too.

• 41:33Speaker 06

  Nah, he get missing. I had never.

• 41:35Channing Crowder?

  He too big to move that fast.

• 41:37Fred Taylor?

  Y'all know I get that call all the time. Coach Pola coached me and Jackson though. I get that call all the time. I've talked to Kay so many times. Just an amazing kid, like, like Bijon, right? And he can really get to it. But he's a little bit in the shadows. Being tucked away, you know, in this market. But when they figure it out.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  Oh, man.

• 41:56Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it'll be too late then, because he can really go.

• 41:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's, he's our, he's our bread and butter. And I'm excited to see him, sharpening it as well.

• 42:04Fred Taylor?

  You got a new offense.

• 42:05Speaker 06

  We do.

• 42:06Fred Taylor?

  You gonna be more on the under center.

• 42:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, we, we old school football, you know, with new school principals. And, uh, but old school football, we tone the rock this year, you know? Let's see, you know, who stops it. And then, you know, we play off that.

• 42:20Ryan Clark?

  Nah, I wasn't involved in this because in one on ones, I used to just look for what tight end I can go cover because I play safety. Like, the, the best part of practice when you have elite level wide receivers and corners is one on ones, right? When you get to watch that, where you got two of them, right? You got Reece, you got Dev. What, what has it been like preparing against two all pro, Pro Bowl caliber players every single day? And how has that made you better?

• 42:47Speaker 06

  It's, it's real action out there. It's real action at practice for real. And those guys are smart. I mean, Spoon, you know, playing him every single day, like, like, I'm like, damn, how many moves can I give him? You know what I'm saying? And, um, you know, you, you just force the fight out there. And those guys love to fight and it just gets us better, man. We really sharpen our tools. We really take practice very serious and we practice hard. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, to have, you know, Reece, Reece being 6'4", the fastest cornerback in the league, and then having Spoon, you know, just a straight dog, and Jobe and those guys, I definitely got better for sure.

• 43:23Ryan Clark?

  I love that. For, for you, man, like, we've asked, you know, we've sat with, I mean, it's been Bijon, Brian Thomas Jr., Devante, we all, and they always talk about goals, right? For you, you know, you get 100 catches, you get 1,000 yards last year. I believe that's what people are expecting from you, but more in this new role. What are some of the goals you've set for yourself?

• 43:47Speaker 06

  I've set, I've set a lot of goals. I think really ultimately what I really want is just deep playoff run in a, in a ring, you know what I'm saying? So. I know that's probably a boring answer, but.

• 44:00Ryan Clark?

  That's real.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  That's why I want to get in the playoffs, man. I really, I want to see us striving, taking the next step. And, you know, I don't, I don't really like playing caps, you know, on what, you know, I don't like putting out a number because, you know, I could go past that, to be honest. I could be wrong, but, you know, up there. I need them numbers up there, you know what I'm saying?

• 44:19Channing Crowder?

  You're a pro bowler now, bro. You ain't gonna do that shit.

• 44:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:21Ryan Clark?

  See, you gotta, hey, you gotta do it all.

• 44:24Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:25Ryan Clark?

  Hey, you gotta think too. The, the numbers he's produced on every level have been numbers that you shouldn't set goals at, right? Because it almost feels unrealistic.

• 44:36Speaker 06

  Right.

• 44:36Ryan Clark?

  To have done what you've done, whether it's high school, college, NFL. Man, first of all though, truly, thank you for your time. Like, I know how busy this time is, man. We extremely grateful. It's something me and you talked about, sure. I don't know.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:48Ryan Clark?

  Maybe a year and a half, two years ago. So to finally get it done, bro, we appreciate you, man. Best of luck this year.

• 44:53Speaker 06

  Nah, I appreciate that. Much love. Why you cut the wicks, man? I know, man. I need to go out. I need to, I needed to go back, man.

• 45:02Speaker 06

  I appreciate y'all, dawg.

• 45:04Ryan Clark?

  Hey, when I read that Walmart hit, I was like, man, this might be wrong.

• 45:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's right.