65 Bryan Bishop: Lessons in Life from Surviving Cancer

How would you respond if you learned that you only had a few months to live? Bryan Bishop knew he was to fight it. His is an amazing story of triumph over disease while excelling at his own personal greatness. All the resources mentioned in this show can be found at www.lewishowes.com/65 Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 65 with Brian Bishop.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Lewis Howes?

  Hey, what is upgrades? Thanks so much for saying hi today and checking in with me. I've got a very special episode with a new friend of mine. His name is Mr. Brian Bishop. And I got introduced to Brian through another friend, a podcasting friend. His name is Caleb Bacon over at The Man School. He shot me an email and said, hey, you've got to check out this book my friend Brian wrote. And I checked it out and it was extremely funny, witty, but also heartwarming as well. Pretty interesting about Brian. At 30 years old, his life was right on track. He was the sidekick to the Adam Carolla Show and his career was taking off. He was newly engaged.

• 1:14Lewis Howes?

  His personal life was soaring and then he was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. And I have never met anyone with a brain tumor. So for me to connect with Brian and kind of learn about his story and hear about the obstacles he's have to face. These basically life and death obstacle where the doctor said he was given a certain amount of months to live. And what he was going to do with that information and how he was going to live from then on out. And this was five years ago and a lot has happened since then. So I thought it was going to be really interesting to bring him on and let him share his story about this.

• 1:54Lewis Howes?

  And the book is incredible. It's called Shrinkage: Manhood, Marriage, and the Tumor That Tried To Kill Me by Brian Bishop and the foreword is by Adam Carolla. Really interesting book and I'm excited to bring him on. If you guys checked out the last episode with Ryan Holiday about the obstacle is the way, the timeless art of turning trials into triumph, then this is going to be a perfect tie in for you. So make sure to check out episode 64 as well with Ryan Holiday, where we're talking about the obstacle is the way. And it's definitely something that Brian took on in full effect with his, you know, life and death obstacle. I wouldn't even say it's an obstacle. It was a very serious occurrence.

• 2:36Lewis Howes?

  So I'm excited to bring on Brian. He is a really funny guy. Brings a lot of humor to the show and has a really cool story. So we'll bring him on in a second. So without further ado, guys, let's jump right in and start this class off right with Brian Bishop.

• 3:05Lewis Howes?

  What is up everyone? I'm back with a new guest on today. His name is Mr. Brian Bishop. What's up, Brian? What's happening? Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I'm very excited. We have a mutual friend. His name's Caleb Bacon. I wouldn't call him a friend, but okay. Well, you know. We know a guy. On the side. We both know a dude. Yeah, we both know a dude. And a very funny guy like yourself. And he introduced me, said, you gotta, you gotta meet Brian and you gotta connect on this book that he has. Cool. I'm so glad you liked it. Yeah, I'm excited about this book. It's called Shrinkage: Manhood, Marriage, and the Tumor That Tried To Kill Me. And it's a, it's a pretty powerful book in the terms of you really lay it all on the line. It's very vulnerable. It's very open. You talk about a scary subject for most. Right.

• 3:50Lewis Howes?

  And I don't think I've ever met anyone who's had a tumor. Right. A brain tumor. Sure. And it's not that common. It's not like you walk around the street and people are just like, oh yeah, I've got a tumor and I've got a tumor. So I think you're probably the first person I've had a conversation with that I, that I know. Okay, well, honored. I'm honored and flattered. Here's your certificate now. That's right. And it's interesting. I mean, it's not fun to talk about probably for some people and it's probably really scary when you're in it and involved in it. And I can only imagine the amount of... Concern, stress, anxiety that you felt and maybe still do feel today with your experience. So yeah, I'm excited to dive in on this.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks, man. I wrote it, I mean, for a lot of reasons, but mostly for people like you who've never, maybe, you know, when I was going through my treatment, or even when I was just diagnosed, you know, my friends for didn't know how to act around me because they'd never been around someone with a brain tumor before, or cancer, or any of that stuff. And, you know, cancer, we sort of associate with older people, or people who smoke, or whatever. And I'm neither of those things. And so, you know, the, the book is to sort of, for a lot of reasons, but one reason it exists is to sort of, you know, put the pin in that, you know, big balloon that's full of tension, you know, that's full of, you know, nervousness, or tension, or embarrassment, or whatever, when you're around someone who has cancer, or a loved one, a friend, whatever.

• 5:14Lewis Howes?

  Now, to kind of go off a side point really quickly.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:17Lewis Howes?

  Just because I feel like we can connect on this. I, I was, I just shared in a podcast, my last podcast, that I was raped up when I was five years old by another man.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:27Lewis Howes?

  For 25 years, I never told anyone.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 5:29Lewis Howes?

  And so I, you know.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Must have felt good to get off your chest, though.

• 5:32Lewis Howes?

  Felt amazing.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:32Lewis Howes?

  Felt amazing. It felt freeing. It felt healing.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:35Lewis Howes?

  And I started talking about it about a year ago, and then sharing it with family, close friends. And then the more I realized that I opened up about it without allowing to control me and being scared to talk about it, the more I realized that it wasn't controlling me.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you don't talk about it is when it has the most control.

• 5:50Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Because you're constantly living in fear of this, of this information. It's not even, I mean, it's an event that happened, but it happened, I'm guessing, 25 years ago or something.

• 5:57Lewis Howes?

  Five years old, yeah.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, so it has control over you to this day.

• 6:02Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Or did, I should say, until you sort of take ownership of it.

• 6:04Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. So in some sense, I can kind of relate to you wanting to like, talk about it and bring it to the forefront, because that's what I've been wanting to do through publicly announcing it and sharing about it, what you can do, like, why, you know, why, what else you can do if you've experienced this, things like that. So I appreciate your humor.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:23Lewis Howes?

  In this book, and because I literally laughed out loud a bunch of times when I was going through it. I was just like, I wish I could write. Comedy like that.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks.

• 6:31Lewis Howes?

  It's like the stories, the way you write, it's hilarious.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I try, I know cancer is a serious subject and it's not a fun subject and I tried to make it as much um as appealing to the general, you know, to a general audience as possible.

• 6:43Lewis Howes?

  Cause who wants to read a book that's just sad the whole time?

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, of course. I wouldn't want to write a book that's just sad the whole time.

• 6:48Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. So let's uh, let's cover some of this stuff. Tell me a little bit about uh, your background just in general.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Sure. I'm from the Bay Area, San Francisco Bay Area and uh, came to LA and geez, it was 96 to go to college. I went to USC and I never went back. Um, and I sort of found my way into radio uh, via, I was screening calls for Love Line, the radio show with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew. Uh, she's around 2002, I guess it was, and did that for a few years and uh, ended up screening calls for the Adam Carolla Show, which is, which at the time would take over for Howard Stern when he left for Satellite Radio and uh, after a few months of doing that, I was given a shot to be on the air and I was uh, I ran with it. I took it and ran with it and I ended up, you know, long story short, and I've been a sidekick ever since, basically, ever since 2006.

• 7:37Lewis Howes?

  With Adam Carolla, right?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 7:39Lewis Howes?

  And the story about how you got kind of the op, the, the moment, the gig was pretty interesting because you, you got a promotion and then this show with Adam Carolla like canceled and suddenly you got another, you got the gig with him on a new show, which was like a demotion, right?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Oh, totally, yeah.

• 7:55Lewis Howes?

  It was like a call boy again or something.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  I was, I was, I was a segment producer on his television program for Comedy Central in 2005 and that was a pretty, pretty sweet job for someone who was, I guess I was 26 or 27 at the time and uh, was able to do that. It was a great, it was great pay, it was a great job and then the show was canceled and I had the opportunity to work on his radio show, but I took the lowest job possible because that's all they had and I consciously took it thinking, well, this would be a fun thing to do for a little while and uh, I'll do it as long as I can.

• 8:23Lewis Howes?

  While you're looking for another job.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, while I get a real job and uh, ended up working out obviously in my, in my, in my benefit. Just because I was able to, you know, work hard and.

• 8:32Lewis Howes?

  Now, but how did you get the opportunity of being on the show as opposed to being like this? Didn't someone leave for vacation?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, what happened was it was five months into the show and our, our sound effects guy on the air, his name is Mike, he had obviously a pre-arranged wedding in Ireland. So he was gone for that and his honeymoon for two weeks. And they're like, well, we need someone to take over this, this, this job on the air. And Adam's like, well, I don't know if Adam was the one who decided, but it was decided, let's let Brian give it, you know, do it for two weeks. I did it for two weeks. I guess I was pretty good at it because they gave me the job at that for the end of those two weeks. It worked out for everyone because Mike, the guy whose job it was, was sort of doing two jobs at once. He was the, he was the writer, which is a full-time job, but he was also doing the on-air sound effects. So it was, the decision was made to make him the full-time writer and to make me the sound effects sidekick guy.

• 9:20Lewis Howes?

  And so now you're on full-time with Adam on his show, right? And you're like the sidekick.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm doing the same job essentially. It's sort of, you know, evolved a little bit, but for all intents and purposes, same, same job.

• 9:30Lewis Howes?

  And are you on every show? Do you speak a lot as well? And you have like little comedy segments as well, right?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, we do. I'm on, I'm on every show. I'm, I'm in the studio the whole time. So I'm, I'm like, you know, the Fred Norris to his Howard Stern. I talk a little more than Fred probably and do movie reviews and things like that and, and games and such. But yeah, just, just a sidekick and supporting, supporting the comedy machine that is Adam Carolla.

• 9:55Lewis Howes?

  That's awesome. And I mean, just reading his, his foreword alone, I was like dying. I was like laughing.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's, it starts with a right.

• 10:03Lewis Howes?

  I got a phone call and it was just like hilarious. You gotta read the book. But that's interesting. So what's it been like working with him ever since then?

• 10:11Speaker 01

  It's great. I mean, it's, it, number one, it's like working without him every day is like going to comedy college. You know, he's, he's the most gifted improviser I've ever been around or ever seen. And to, to be exposed to that and be thrown in and have to participate, you know, with, with not a lot of training on my part. You know, he really took a chance on me in 2006. You know, I was kind of green and hopefully I've evolved into a very capable sidekick. If not, if not above average, but at least capable. Um, but he is a, you know, he's an incredible mentor without, without taking the role of the teacher. You know what I mean? He doesn't instruct you on a lot of what to do, but if you're smart and if you're perceptive,

• 10:50Lewis Howes?

  Pick it up.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Pick it up for sure.

• 10:51Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. Wow. Okay. Cool.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  At least by example is what I'm trying to say.

• 10:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Yeah. But he's not like teaching you a lesson every day.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 10:57Lewis Howes?

  He's just doing, and you're like, whoa, that's pretty cool.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. He, uh, he's very skillful in terms of what he can do on the mic. He's incredible.

• 11:04Lewis Howes?

  What's the biggest thing you learned about yourself with working with Adam?

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Oh, boy. Well, early on, when he was just sort of telling me, telling me how it works in radio, at least for him. He's like, just, just keep the ball in the air, meaning when the conversation is going, just keep the conversation going as opposed to, you know, throwing up roadblocks, you know, in improv, he likes to say it's yes, and and not no. You know, it's yes, and and not only that, but it's keeping the conversation going. So obviously I was, I was aware of that, but to hear it put in such succinct terms, I was like, all right, so that's, that's the mission statement.

• 11:37Lewis Howes?

  Like trying to get another punchline after the punchline and just continually going with it?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Well, actually, that's the opposite because, because what I've learned, I've sort of picked this up just from, just from listening to other, you know, other comedy podcasts or other comedy bits or whatever, and also participating in the daily show is,

• 11:57Speaker 01

  if, if you're, if you're funny, like, like, let's say in Adam Carolla, then just let the conversation happen and the jokes will, will, will come as opposed to always be on the lookout for the joke, you know, like where's, where's the punchline, where's the next punchline coming like, no, just keep the conversation going, especially in podcasting, it's so conversational, you know, it doesn't have to be set up, set up punchline. It can just be conversation, conversation, conversation. You'll end up on something funny. You'll, you'll land, you're hopping from lily pad to lily pad. You'll land on a funny one.

• 12:23Lewis Howes?

  Right. And you have your own show as well, right?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. I do a show called The Film Vault and there's a weekly movie show and just, you know, irreverent movie talk. So don't take it too seriously.

• 12:34Lewis Howes?

  Nice. Okay. So.

• 12:37Lewis Howes?

  You realize there's a part in your life in 2009, right? Where you start kind of having your mumbling, you're having some tightness or some numbness in your face, your leg, your body starts to kind of feel numb. And then at one point, it gets really bad, you just start falling over and your legs start buckling, right?

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Well, what happened was what really precipitated it or exacerbated it was when I would drink. You know, I'd have one beer and it felt like four, you know, like it was, I got drunk really easily and

• 13:08Lewis Howes?

  You weren't used to that.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  I wasn't used to that, not since I started drinking at age 12, no. I started drinking and so I was like, what the heck is going on? And I decided at that point, you know, all those symptoms you mentioned, the numbness or the tingling in my lips or whatever, sort of easily explained because I was working for a morning show at the time. I was getting up at five in the morning. I was like, oh my, you know, it's too much caffeine or I'm not getting enough sleep or blah, blah, blah.

• 13:32Lewis Howes?

  You're sitting at the desk all day or whatever.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, or I'm, at the time I was standing, you know, because I stood for the radio show. Uh, so it was like, ah, I'm spending too much time on my feet, four straight hours, you know, it was easily explained. But then, you know, the cumulative effect ended up being, oh, I should probably see a doctor.

• 13:50Lewis Howes?

  Interesting, okay, because it started to get pretty bad, right?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  It started to get more pronounced and it just was everything, it was a totality of everything. And it was especially with the drinking where it was like, all right, this is not easily explained. This is the weekend and I'm just having a beer and now I'm feel, you know, I feel wasted.

• 14:04Lewis Howes?

  Right, and is that when you met, so you said, okay, I should probably go see a doctor and is that Dr. Doom? Is that who you met originally?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  I ended up with Dr. Doom. I met with a kindly old doctor who was an expert in MS, was sort of his field. But that was, at that point, that's what I thought I had and that's what most people thought I had because the symptoms all lined up. I went on WebMD and did the whole thing.

• 14:23Lewis Howes?

  And you were like, okay.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, oh, well, that all makes sense. I don't think I've had a stroke, so it's probably, probably MS, multiple sclerosis. And I went to him and he

• 14:30Lewis Howes?

  Which is, uh, does with the muscles?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the demyelination of the, of the brain, basically the sheathing that controls. It's complicated, it's boring, but the point is, yes, it affects your muscles and your coordination and all that things, all that stuff.

• 14:46Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  So, um. Went and got a scan, MRI scan, and came back and obviously didn't have MS. Had a glioma, brainstem glioma, which is a brain tumor.

• 14:57Lewis Howes?

  Wow, okay. And then the doctor basically said, you've got six months.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  What happened was this doctor, this kindly old doctor, was like, there's something in your brain called the glioma. I'm not an expert in these, so I'm going to refer you to this other guy.

• 15:12Lewis Howes?

  A specialist.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, a specialist. In the book referred to as Dr. Harold Kumar, not his real name. And so I went to him and he was the one who was giving me all sorts of, you know, medical mumbo jumbo about, not mumbo jumbo, but just explaining very clinical terms, what was going on, and showing me diagrams and everything. And I'm just getting fed up because I've been to so many appointments now without knowing exactly what the big picture is. And I'm like, I'm like, Doc, what are we looking at? And he said, typically in these cases, I say six months to a year.

• 15:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  And I was like, holy shit.

• 15:43Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  But then my next thought was, well, that's not going to be me.

• 15:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  I don't know if that was foolish or naive or whatever, denial, but I, right away, I was like, well, we're going to fight this.

• 15:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Yeah. And you were, you were engaged at the time, right?

• 15:57Speaker 01

  I was engaged at the time. My fiance was there, Christie was there. I was engaged. We were to be married in two months. I mean, it wasn't like, oh, we just got engaged and someday we'll get married. It's like, no, no. Yeah, the deposit's paid. Like, the wedding's in two months.

• 16:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And it just sounds like she's the most incredible human being, reading the stories through this book about what she was able to, how she was supportive and how she was on your side and, you know, just what she was able to experience with your, your parents and just the whole situation.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  She's the star of the book and for, for, for, for good reason.

• 16:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I'm just blown away by her character and her love and her support.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  She's a tremendous person. I could not have gotten through it without her and I wouldn't have wanted to, you know? She, she was the light at the end of the tunnel.

• 16:39Lewis Howes?

  And it's funny, you guys have a little kind of joke or inside, you know, joke about saying, I love you. And well, she said, I love you first.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, she said, yeah, when we were dating.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Stand by. No, no, stand by. It was a mistake on my part. We were dating and she was the first one to say I love you and I panicked and I was like, I, I L you, which is not what you want. Look, if you actually do love someone, there's no real harm in saying it.

• 17:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Uh, but I panicked like.

• 17:07Lewis Howes?

  What were you so afraid of?

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm, I don't know. I was 27 or whatever I was. I was, I was stupid. I was 28 or 29. Uh, and I was just dumb. And so, um, I said, I L you and, uh, luckily testament to Christie's character, that became sort of a running gag in our relationship. We still sign all of our cards with I L you because

• 17:24Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's so cute.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Such a funny, uh, funny acknowledgement. That's right. There's a picture in there of, we were dating at the time. I didn't think we were in, no, we weren't, were we engaged?

• 17:33Lewis Howes?

  2007, December 2007. So you're.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  So now we just met.

• 17:37Lewis Howes?

  Dating, right?

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had, we had, we had, we'd just been dating for a few months. We must've just said, I, in fact, it was only just before that. She said that. I wrote, I L you in the snow. Uh, we're in this cabin we were staying at.

• 17:47Lewis Howes?

  How cute. Big bear, right?

• 17:48Speaker 01

  It's adorable. That's right.

• 17:49Lewis Howes?

  That's so cool. So you guys learn about this.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 17:53Lewis Howes?

  Uh, the doctor's like, you're basically done in six months.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 17:57Lewis Howes?

  And what, I mean, what did you guys come up with? What did you feel? What were you thinking?

• 18:02Speaker 01

  So.

• 18:03Lewis Howes?

  You were like, I'm gonna kick this, obviously. I'm gonna.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  I wasn't even that I was gonna kick it. It was just that we'll figure something out. There, there's gotta be another answer, you know?

• 18:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  I'm not prepared to be gone in six months.

• 18:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Um, again, I'm not, I'm acknowledging the fact that I may have been naive, but that was what I thought. And I, I, I think our first thought was, let's get a second opinion. Let's get someone else to, you know, because this doctor, as I explained, didn't have really what you would call a can do attitude. You know, it was more like.

• 18:30Lewis Howes?

  Straight to the point.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. What are you gonna do? And so we were like, let's, we, we gotta see the best person we can. And, um, not too far from here actually is a hospital.

• 18:40Lewis Howes?

  About a mile away.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is, uh, I still go there. I'll, I'm going there on Monday, a week from Monday. Uh, and it's Cedar Sinai Hospital and it's one of the best institutes in the world for treating brain tumors or cancer in any, you know, respect for brain tumors especially. They're known for it because they have a doctor there. Named Dr. Keith Black and Dr. Black is world renowned. He's one of the all time, you know, leading brain surgeons, especially for, you know, for brain cancer. And our mission became, let's, let's see this guy. Let's, let's go to, let's go to Mecca and talk to, you know, talk to the guy. And, and long story short, all the signs were pointing to him and we eventually, not even eventually, we pretty quickly got in to see him because we had a family friend who was in medical sales and he knew his nurse really well and she was able to put

• 19:24Speaker 01

  me on the books for Monday. And this is a Thursday that we started making these calls. So

• 19:28Lewis Howes?

  That's pretty.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  It was amazing. I'm very aware of how lucky I was. And we saw him and it was, it was very funny because he is, he's very zen. He's very quiet, very measured, but he's very confident and he's, he's a rock star doctor because he's the more he's so super famous in that community. But on top of that, he's just, he's the authority, you know, he walks in to our little meeting area, to his waiting room, basically. And he's like, he explains that, you know, he's, he's seen these before, these types of tumors. You don't, no one wants to have cancer, but there are much, much, much worse types. And he said, like, if this is, you know, if you have to have an operable brain tumor, this is the kind you want to have because we can,

• 20:09Speaker 01

  we can, we can treat this. You know, all is not lost. And as soon as we heard that, it was like, well, thank God we found the best guy in the business because he's giving us options. He's at least giving us hope. He's at least giving us.

• 20:21Lewis Howes?

  The most important thing probably, right?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  It absolutely was because if all, if it was just despair and all was lost, I don't know what I would have done. But he was like, no, we can, this is not untreatable. And so we ended up on his team. It's like sold, you know, and he's a surgeon. So obviously that was sort of the end of the road because he cuts and there was no cutting. As he explained it to me, the part of my brain where the tumor is, is sort of the Beverly Hills real estate of the brain because it's just too, too valuable. It can't go in there. Every, there's cranial nerves that control everything from, you know, your blinking to your breathing. And so he's like, oh, pigeon. And so he's like, you can't, we can't, we can't go in there. You know, it's just not, not possible. So I'm there free to my guy. When I say refer, I mean, it's the guy and his team who's like, you know, he treats inoperable tumors.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  And he says, I'm gonna refer you to this guy and he's the guy and we'll, we'll take it from here. And I was like, great. At least we have a plan. You know, at least we have something to do with it.

• 21:15Lewis Howes?

  To hold on to, yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  For sure. And so I ended up with him and this other doctor named Dr. Rudnick and he is, um, he is as much a credit as anybody for, for saving my life.

• 21:25Lewis Howes?

  Now, you started doing treatments, chemo, right? And they had to do it specifically on the tumor.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Well, that's the radiation.

• 21:31Lewis Howes?

  The radiation.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  The radiation, they had to zap, you know, they zapped it remarkably precisely on, on the tumor, yeah.

• 21:36Lewis Howes?

  So you have this like Freddy Krueger mask or something that you had to wear.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:40Lewis Howes?

  Every time, right?

• 21:40Speaker 01

  It's crazy, right?

• 21:41Lewis Howes?

  It's like the coolest.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  So describe it to people, because the way I describe it is imagine a tennis racket that's plastic and they heat it up so where it's, you know, super pliable and they stretch it over your face and they bolt it to the slab you're lying on.

• 21:52Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you're wearing essentially a, a plastic net.

• 21:56Lewis Howes?

  It looks like you're being mummified.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Right, it does. Yeah, for sure. And then you can, you can imagine how tight that is. Because once I'm done, once they've done the radiation for whatever, eight or 10 minutes or whatever it takes, I have a crisscross pattern on my face that makes me feel like a big pink lizard.

• 22:10Lewis Howes?

  Nice. Yeah. So basically imagine Brian laying on his back on a, on a table and then having his face planted, bolted down with this tennis racket meshing. That's pretty much what it looks like.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:23Lewis Howes?

  And you got to keep it, right?

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they gave it to me. Like, I wasn't gonna do it.

• 22:27Lewis Howes?

  It's a present.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, oh, here you go. I'm like, fuck no. I think, I, I almost thought I threw it away.

• 22:31Lewis Howes?

  You don't wear it for-

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Who wants that? Who wants that memento in their house?

• 22:34Lewis Howes?

  For fun memory? You know, just put it on for fun?

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I tell my friends, bring their kids over and I'll terrify them.

• 22:38Lewis Howes?

  For Halloween?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  That's right. Not even Halloween, just a regular day. If your kid's being bad, bring him over and I'll explain to him this is what happens.

• 22:44Lewis Howes?

  I like it, man. So you, you went through this treatment and the thing that's interesting is it didn't get better. It started getting really bad. It started getting really bad to the point where you couldn't really stand that often. There was moments where you like, you know, you have pictures of you at a wedding. I think it was your brother's wedding where you have a chair behind you. You can't even stand up when everyone's dancing. You have to sit down and, you know, the embarrassment you felt that everyone was staring at you.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:08Lewis Howes?

  And that you were taking the attention away from the moment from, you know, the wedding.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:12Lewis Howes?

  And

• 23:13Speaker 01

  I was really regretful about that too. And of course, my brother like, don't be ridiculous. You know, you were sick, but I was like, well, this is your perfect, you know, happy day. And I felt like I was, you know, taken away from it. But you're right. It was after the radiation, I got significantly worse. It was a few months of declining health, like seriously bad news, because my, you know, the where my tumor is, Dr. Rudnick was explaining to me, it's like a funnel for the rest of your, for your brain, basically. And the information goes down your spinal cord to, you know, your fingertips and your toes and everywhere on your body. And if the swelling got so bad of my tumor and of my brain that it was blocking, you know, the, the communication down that funnel. So I ended up, I was in a walker for several months. I used a walker full time. I mean, to get around my apartment, to get around,

• 23:58Speaker 01

  let's say my apartment, our apartment, get around Kristi and I's apartment. And, um, you know, I rarely went out into the world. I mean, I was, I was pretty fucked up.

• 24:06Lewis Howes?

  And you had a, I think it was your, it wasn't your wedding, but it was your honeymoon, I think, where you went to Hawaii, right? And you have a picture, you always wanted to go to the, uh, the little

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Swim bar?

• 24:19Lewis Howes?

  Swim bar.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted to go to the pool with the bar on it, of course.

• 24:22Lewis Howes?

  And you never, but you didn't want to go outside because you didn't want to feel embarrassed?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  No, I, what do you know what it was? At that point, it hadn't gotten so bad. I wasn't even on the walker yet, but I, but I was self-conscious about it. I mean, Kristi had to help me around a lot of places, especially when it was wet on the ground.

• 24:34Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  But there's a funny story about that. In fact, um, you may want to link to it on your site because there's a, we just did a, um, this guy just did an animation for me of that scene from the audio book of that scene in the pool with the bar and everything.

• 24:46Lewis Howes?

  Where's that at? Will you send it?

• 24:48Speaker 01

  It's on YouTube. And I, yeah, you can either search for it or I can send it to you.

• 24:51Lewis Howes?

  I'll link it up there, yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  It's, um, it's on there. It's pretty funny. It brings the whole thing to life and it's a pretty, pretty funny story.

• 24:56Lewis Howes?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That's a tease for you folks listening.

• 24:59Lewis Howes?

  That's a tease.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Go onto the website and

• 25:01Lewis Howes?

  Go back to the, the, the show notes. Yes. Here's the picture of it. It's so funny. And you talk about like, In the book, you talk about how you're like hitting kids in the face or something because there's a pool nearby and you're like, because you got drugged by your wife.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Yes, the chapter is titled, Our Honeymoon or The Time My Wife Drugged Me In A Kids Pool In Maui.

• 25:19Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  And it went badly, but all's well that ends well. And now we have a hilarious animation of it. You can check it out.

• 25:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you've got some hilarious stories in there. I mean, just like the Velcro shoe stories.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the old man shoes.

• 25:31Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my God.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  I tried to, you know, so you're, you're, you're absolutely right. It's like, it's a heavy subject.

• 25:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Cancer and cancer when you're 30 years old and engaged and all that stuff. But, but let's be honest, if you, if you can't laugh at yourself, you know, then what's, what's the point of even going through these experiences? So a lot of these are just sort of embarrassing stories about what happened to me and embarrassing stories about me and isn't this kind of odd? Isn't this kind of funny? So, um, yeah, it's a, it's, it's a, it's alternately lighthearted, but also serious at times. I mean, it's both, hopefully.

• 26:00Lewis Howes?

  Now, when everything changed around is when, you know, things got really bad.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the walker gave way to a wheelchair. I was in a wheelchair for a short period of time and couldn't walk any distance to speak of. And yeah, was it, I mean, I was falling all over the place. I fell in my own apartment. I fell, you know, all over the place and it was getting bad.

• 26:20Lewis Howes?

  And what happened was after the, your, your treatment was done, how long was the chemo for, the treatment?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Well, the radiation went for six months, or six, excuse me, six weeks and the chemo was sort of ongoing.

• 26:30Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  But it was, it was not, um, it's not that it wasn't working. It's just the swelling was just getting so bad and everything else was just getting so bad.

• 26:37Lewis Howes?

  It got worse and worse.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:38Lewis Howes?

  Like your speech got worse, you couldn't walk as well.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I was totally unintelligible.

• 26:41Lewis Howes?

  You were like, yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Couldn't walk, couldn't talk. I mean, I could talk, but I was pretty, I was mumbling pretty badly, slurring my words. And keep in mind, I, you know, the radio, the radio station had flipped formats like right before I got diagnosed, so I didn't have a job. And then.

• 26:55Lewis Howes?

  Because they basically didn't do radio anymore. They were like, we're going to go on a podcast.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:58Lewis Howes?

  Because it's not working.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  No, what happened was, the radio station was like, the, the ratings weren't justifying the huge salaries there because it was an all talk station.

• 27:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  So everyone around the clock was being paid morning show salaries, which usually at a normal radio station, you pay those morning show, you pay Kevin and Bean or Howard Stern or whoever, a shitload of money and then you just have. Music the rest of the day. They had talk 24 seven.

• 27:20Lewis Howes?

  So it's expensive.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Do the math. So they were like, we're going to an all music station, which now is a hugely copied format because it's so cheap. The amp 97.1, I think they have amp everywhere in the country now. So, but you know what I'm talking about. The DJ list, sort of Jack FM type of stuff. But anyway, so they laid me off because they, they canceled, they basically flipped formats and they canceled all the shows. And then Christie is an advertising executive and her client was a, um, was a private jet company. And they weren't doing so well either because this is 2009 and the economy is real bad. And so she lost her job. And so we're jobless, uh, we're diagnosed with cancer and, uh, I'm.

• 27:59Lewis Howes?

  Newly married.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  I'm newly married and we're falling all over the place.

• 28:02Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's bad times.

• 28:03Lewis Howes?

  And luckily she had insurance.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Well, no, it was my insurance. It was my insurance because I signed up for Cobra when I got laid off. And luckily the economy was doing so badly that Obama was signing a bunch of extensions into effect. And so what would normally be, I think, six months of Cobra ended up being like 18 months, which was.

• 28:22Lewis Howes?

  You needed it.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  I couldn't, I, I mean, I'd be bankrupt today if, you know, if I didn't, if I didn't have it.

• 28:27Lewis Howes?

  It was like a miracle.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  It was, it was the one good timing of the whole thing was, was that.

• 28:31Lewis Howes?

  And even though the Cobra is like so expensive and it's ridiculously expensive.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  It was between like a thousand, fifteen hundred dollars a month.

• 28:38Lewis Howes?

  But for what you had, that was like a steal.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm getting, I'm getting $10,000 radiation sessions every day.

• 28:43Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. So do the math.

• 28:44Lewis Howes?

  So you were like so grateful.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  I'd be broke, bankrupt within a week.

• 28:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Within a day, actually.

• 28:52Lewis Howes?

  So basically things, the, the radiation is over and you were hoping that it would start getting better, but actually gets, things get worse and worse.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:59Lewis Howes?

  You basically can't speak, can't talk, can't do anything, can't walk. And then, uh, you get some good news that there's a potential, another opportunity for Avastin, right?

• 29:10Speaker 01

  It's called Avastin, yeah. So what, what happened was I'm doing real bad. I'm being, I get wheeled in a wheelchair to my doctor's office. Christie's in the hospital herself because she develops acute colitis because of the stress.

• 29:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  So she's admitted to the hospital. She's there for a day. Or two in a different hospital. So she's conference called in to my doctor's office. I'm in a wheelchair. Her parents bring me to the hospital.

• 29:35Lewis Howes?

  Because you can't really comprehend that much what's going on.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  It's not even comprehend. It's just I could, I'm not driving at this point. I certainly couldn't get myself there. Um, so I'm, you know, the doctor's like, how's it going? I'm like, oh, you know, I'm doing all right. Just gotta, just trying to get better. And he says to Christie on the phone, he's like, Christie, how do you think Brian's doing? And she was like, he is not doing okay. It's not getting better. Something's got to be done. Uh, and he's like, yeah, I know. So he's like, we basically have one more, you know, trick up our sleeve, which is this newish drug called Avastin. And we've had some success with it. People sort of fall into three categories. He told me after the fact, they either don't respond, they sort of respond, or they, they really respond to the treatment and the treatment really works. And very, very, very fortunately I found, I fell into the group that really responded.

• 30:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And within a couple of weeks, there's images that you were just getting a lot better like.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what happened was at that time I, uh, I know, I started getting Avastin infusions. It's, it's technically sort of a super steroid. It's not really like chemotherapy.

• 30:35Lewis Howes?

  That's what I thought it was gonna be like a steroid.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and right away I felt a huge increase in energy and I was so grateful, grateful because at that point I was sleeping like 18 hours a day. I'm, I'm a cancer patient at this point. You know, I'm, I'm sleeping, I'm not doing anything. I'm losing weight. You see me right there. I'm drinking a huge fucking frappuccino or something like that. Because I'm losing weight so fast. I gotta get the calories in me. I'm actually getting Avastin at that point in that picture. I'm, I'm lying in bed, you know, getting an infusion.

• 30:58Lewis Howes?

  Is it coming through a vein or?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, they, they, it's an IV. It's an IV. So they, they get it around your vein. And, uh, right away I noticed a big increase in, um, just energy appetite, you know, ability to sort of stay awake a normal period of time.

• 31:10Lewis Howes?

  You wanted to walk around probably a lot more.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  I wanted to, I couldn't, but I wanted to. That's a big, but, but having the desire and wanting to is a big thing.

• 31:17Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  And so, uh, within a month or so, I started to notice some real differences. And that's right about the time they scheduled my MRI to really sort of determine if, if everything was working. If, if the tumor was growing and it was only a matter of time or. If the tumor had stopped growing, or God forbid even, you know, shrunk. And they did the, they did the, the scan. And very, very luckily, the tumor had shrunk by about half.

• 31:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  And that was, I mean, happiest day of my life, you know, was, was getting that news.

• 31:48Lewis Howes?

  And how long were you on the Avast?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  I'm still on Avastin. I'm actually getting Avastin on a week from Monday. But I, I used to get it every two weeks. And now they weaned me off to where I'm getting it every two months.

• 31:59Lewis Howes?

  And the tumor, has it shrunk? Has it continued to shrink? Is it kind of the stable?

• 32:02Speaker 01

  The tumor has shrunk marginally since then, but the fact that it's, as Dr. Black explained to me in my very first meeting with him, he said, you know, in this, in this game, you know, a tie is a win. All we want is a win or a tie, because if your tumor just stays the same for the rest of your life, you're in great shape.

• 32:17Lewis Howes?

  You can manage it and have a healthy, happy life.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  So if my tumor doesn't ever move again for the rest of my life, I'll be thrilled.

• 32:23Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And so the goal is to just keep it where it's at?

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's shrunk, which is, is a definite win in our book, you know? And the fact if it either continues to shrink or doesn't, if it just stays the same, I'm, I'm happy to live out the rest of my life, you know, with,

• 32:40Speaker 01

  as we called my wife's blog at the time, an inconvenient tumor.

• 32:43Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, yeah. And she was blogging about it during the whole process, right?

• 32:47Speaker 01

  The whole time, the whole time.

• 32:47Lewis Howes?

  And she had like other, other women that, who their husbands were, or their boyfriends were having tumors and they were kind of connecting and.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, what initially happened was, in order to keep, because I'm from the Bay Area, the San Francisco Bay Area, and to keep my family and friends and everyone sort of informed, just up to date on what's going on, she started this blog. And because by, you know, by nature of the fact that I was on the podcast and the radio show, there's fans all over the world who ended up, yeah, I wanted to know what was going on and how I was doing. And so they followed it too. And it sort of took on a life of its own to where it became this, thing that hopefully inspired people or kept them informed at least. And she ended up connecting, because there's other people who do the same thing. They have blogs about their condition and they have blogs about loved ones and whatever. And she ended up connecting with a few people, one of which was a woman named Tyra, whose husband Steve had a brain tumor in Texas. Unfortunately, he wasn't doing so well at the time.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  But, you know, it mirrored a lot of my symptoms and a lot of my problems. Progress or regression, if you want to call it that.

• 33:45Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  And so they connected over that and Steve was a little farther advanced than I was. He'd been having the same thing, but for a little longer. And they were a married couple in their thirties. They happen to have two young kids and we didn't have any kids at the time.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  But yeah, I remember she was, she got pretty close with Tyra and vis a vis, you know, her husband Steve. And then, and then Steve died. Steve, Steve passed away and, and it was, it was devastating to her, especially because she, this was, this was a comrade. You know, this is someone who she become friends with bonded over this horrible coincidence. And the one thing Tyra wrote about in her blog, I think, I think right before he died, like the one regret, she like, I don't regret anything. And I regret my life. I don't regret our kids or marrying a man with a brain tumor or anything, anything. The one thing she regretted was not traveling more. And it was such an oddly specific thing that it really touched me and it really affected me. And I was like,

• 34:41Speaker 01

  you know, I'm, whatever I can do, I'm not going to let my wife, fiance at the time, my, my young wife have the same regret, you know, if.

• 34:49Lewis Howes?

  Feel held back by your condition.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  I'm like, if the opportunity ever presents itself, then we're, we're, we're going because I, I understand how, how fragile life is and how close I am to not being here, you know? And so if the opportunity ever presented itself, I committed myself to, uh, making sure that Christie never had that same regret.

• 35:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Yeah. And you had a fundraiser, right? Where you raised over six figures and you had like.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Corolla, Corolla 30 fundraiser. It was at the, uh, the E-bell theater on Wilshire, on Wilshire, which is a historic theater. It was awesome. It was 1,200 people. We sold it out, pricey tickets too. And people really, really showed up to help.

• 35:24Lewis Howes?

  It was a band, what band was that?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Bad Religion played.

• 35:26Lewis Howes?

  Oh, wow.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  And the Dan Band too, who was in The Hangover and the Funny Wedding Band.

• 35:31Lewis Howes?

  The wedding singer band.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  That's right. The Funny Wedding Band. They're, they're, they're awesome. By the way, funny and they, they perform really well and comedians. Joel McHale was there and great, great comics, Greg Fitzsimmons, Dana Gould, uh, Larry Miller, just some of my favorite, favorite comedians. And Corolla hosted the whole thing and Kim will showed up and Dr. Drew was there and it was, it was a huge, huge thing. And we raised a ton of money and it was so, it was so. Incredibly heartwarming, but also helpful because keep in mind I'm, I'm starting to recover, but I'm still years away from working again. Christie can't work because she's my 24 hour a day caregiver. So we lived off that money for a year, a year and a half. I mean, that was our, that was our everything, our rent and our car payments. And that was everything. And,

• 36:09Lewis Howes?

  and And you traveled as well to Italy.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:11Lewis Howes?

  And you talked about, you know, feeling maybe guilty, should I, shouldn't I?

• 36:15Speaker 01

  I absolutely, I, I, so what happened was that was in November and in February, we went to San Diego. That was the first time we spent really any of the money. We went to San Diego for a week long therapy session with this sort of world renowned therapist and he, he

• 36:29Lewis Howes?

  Is this the inpatient therapy?

• 36:31Speaker 01

  No, no, that's later. That's, um, it's later in the book, but it's, uh,

• 36:35Lewis Howes?

  I saw the picture of you like

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. Being, being hauled over this guy's back. His name is Walid and he's kind of a character, but he's a world renowned therapist and wasn't cheap, but had to do it. He got me back on my feet. No pun intended. I mean, he literally got me back on my feet. And as soon as that week was over and as soon as I started walking again on my own, I felt, as soon as I felt even just the slightest bit better, I said to Christie, I'm like, pack your bags. We're going, we're going to Italy.

• 37:01Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  And we, we had to talk about it. Like, you know, like how, how's this going to look? We just, you know, we just had this fundraiser. We essentially just cried poor and now we're going, you know, we're trekking a European vacation. But I'm, I, I really thought, I really thought that number one, I, I was, I honestly didn't care. I was like, people are upset. What are you going to do? But I honestly thought that people would understand. They would understand that, you know, having looked death in the face like that, that, you know,

• 37:28Lewis Howes?

  You want to live life.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Not even live life, but just, you're, you're right. Yes. And, um,

• 37:35Speaker 01

  it was, it was a, it was a signpost for me that I was getting better. And it was, it was, you know, cancer took away a year of our lives and threatened to take away the rest of my life. And now that, you know, this, this, um, opportunity presented itself, I was gonna, I was gonna grab it.

• 37:50Lewis Howes?

  There's a great story you talk about when you're in Italy because that's, I remember this time is when the whole, the volcano thing happened in Iceland or whatever.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  It was an Icelandic volcano.

• 38:00Lewis Howes?

  I think I was in London at the time.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:01Lewis Howes?

  And I got out right before.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 38:03Lewis Howes?

  The day before.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you were on my flight, you son of a bitch. You got my seat.

• 38:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly. And it's interesting because your wedding wasn't that, you know, wasn't the way you wanted it to be, right?

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Right. Well, I was, I was go, I was, I just finished radiation and came home.

• 38:16Lewis Howes?

  So you were out of it, you were, you know.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  I wasn't at my best.

• 38:19Lewis Howes?

  Wasn't your best. And you have a list of, I think, ten regrets, ten regrets, right? And one of them was you didn't write your wedding vows.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:26Lewis Howes?

  Right? And then you went to Portofino in Italy.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Positano.

• 38:30Lewis Howes?

  Sorry, Positano.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Well, it's, I mean, same letter.

• 38:32Lewis Howes?

  Sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah. And you went to this church, I think your parents were at or, or something.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  My parents had renewed their wedding vows, there was a few years earlier.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  And so.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  And we weren't supposed to be there. The only reason we ended up there was because of the volcano. We were grounded for a week or they're like, can't leave the country. And, I mean, it sounds, you know, it sounds awesome having to be forced to spend a week in Italy, but at that point, we're over, you know, we, we'd reached our budget, reached our budget. We didn't know when we're flying home, I had to get back for a chemotherapy infusion. So we're like, all right, I guess we'll drive to Positano because Rome is expensive and we don't want to spend a week in Rome.

• 39:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we drove to Positano.

• 39:06Lewis Howes?

  So, did you ever rewrite your vows or redo your vows to?

• 39:11Speaker 01

  No, we should probably. A five-year wedding anniversary coming up. No, but, but we had this great moment in the church, which you're alluding to, which was, it happened to be, it's just the way these things work, it happened to be on the five-year anniversary of my di, oh no, on the one-year anniversary of my diagnosis. And it was one year, one year to the day that we were there, uh, that I, we got in the worst news of our lives and that I was going to be possibly dead within a year, you know, six to 12 months. And here it was, a year later.

• 39:39Lewis Howes?

  Started to feel better.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  A year later and I'm feeling great. I mean, feeling much better than I had been. And we're traveling and we're doing what we should be doing with our lives. And, uh, you know, it was, uh, it was a very emotional moment and a very, um, triumphant moment, you know? It's, it was a great, it was a great ending for the book that we, that we were able to end on that moment.

• 39:59Lewis Howes?

  And you've got these 10 regrets, right?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 40:02Lewis Howes?

  Things you never did, right?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Well, they're a combination of things I did, things I never did. I mean, they're mostly, the thing about regrets as I observe them is they're things you should have done or you wish you'd done. A few peppered in there are things I did do, but yeah, so I, you know, mixed in with some cancer stuff is just some random, you know, humorous tongue in cheek type stuff.

• 40:23Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure. And one of them that connects with me is the not being able to go to the USC Ohio State game in 2009. I'm a huge Ohio State fan.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, from your Ohio, that's right.

• 40:30Lewis Howes?

  Huge Ohio State fan. And I remember, this is the game Ohio State lost because.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  They lost both games.

• 40:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  I'll remind you about that.

• 40:37Lewis Howes?

  The tight end who I actually did a workout with, I'm forgetting his name right now, dropped the ball in the end zone.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:42Lewis Howes?

  When they would have won.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  It was a close game. It was like 15, 13 or something like that.

• 40:44Lewis Howes?

  The minute, last minute or something, and he drops the ball and I was like, man, that's a bummer.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I was supposed to go out there because I not only had a good friend who lived in Columbus, but I'm a huge USC fan and I had a friend who was flying, is flying people out in a private jet. And I'm like, God damn it. I have all the games to have to miss because I'm goddamn cancer ridden.

• 41:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was horrible.

• 41:03Lewis Howes?

  And did you actually play with Tom Brady in high school?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Well, he played with me.

• 41:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  But yeah, I played with Tom Brady.

• 41:09Lewis Howes?

  How old were you the same year?

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Uh, he's a year older than I was.

• 41:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And what position were you?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  I was left out. Um, I was, I was a offensive, I was, I was, I was white and slow. So I was offensive lineman.

• 41:19Lewis Howes?

  Got you.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:20Lewis Howes?

  Did you actually block for him?

• 41:22Speaker 01

  He was varsity and I was junior varsity, but we, we, we practiced together a lot because it's a small school. So, um, I guess I did, I guess I did block for him occasionally in practices and scrimmages and stuff. Yeah.

• 41:33Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I knew him better as, uh, he, we were both on the, on the newspaper staff together. I was the, uh, we were both on the sports section. I ended up being the editor in chief the next year, but when he was there, we were both on the sports.

• 41:44Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. Do you still, still stay in touch?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  No, I don't even know if he'd know who I was.

• 41:47Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm sure if you reminded him, but if you were like, hey, Brian Bishop said hi, like, who the, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm a goddamn multimillionaire.

• 41:56Lewis Howes?

  With the hottest wife in the world.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Okay, pretty much. It's a tough life for Tom.

• 42:00Lewis Howes?

  One of the things you talked about is uh being not being properly diagnosed with ADHD as a child. You cover, you talk about all these different symptoms. You're hilarious in the way you like write about all these things as well.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks.

• 42:11Lewis Howes?

  Can't find the page, but I feel like I was.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  It's early in the book. It's like chapter two or three or something.

• 42:16Lewis Howes?

  I feel like, oh, here we go. All the different symptoms of ADHD, I guess.

• 42:22Lewis Howes?

  But the way, the way you respond to each one is really funny.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a classic. I was a classic case.

• 42:27Lewis Howes?

  But I feel like, you know, I look at all these and I'm like, I kind of feel like the same way about myself as a child. I was, I was very, it was very hard to pay attention and, and uh remember things. When people talking to me, I didn't feel like I was, you know, could remember everything.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Well, the, the proof in the pudding is when we were talking just now, you and me and a fucking pigeon. Oh, look, a pigeon. I didn't have to say that. I could have let it go, but something in me compelled me to say, to the audience who cannot see it, oh, look, a pigeon. And they're like, what the hell is he talking about?

• 42:54Lewis Howes?

  I took a picture of it. I'll put it to the show notes for people to see.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  The cancer isn't back?

• 42:59Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. But why do you, why do you regret not being properly diagnosed with ADHD? Or the symptoms of that as a child? And I think it was your mom said, no, you don't have this. And why does that regret?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  My parents were a little dismissive, but I think that it was um, it would have made my life a little easier in terms of I detailed in there how in my childhood, I had such a hard time in school, not doing assignments and not remembering things and constantly yelling out in class and everything. And it was always, you know, my teachers and my parents put the great lengths to sort of try to mitigate that by having me, you know, do extra, you know, steps to get my homework done or to, you know, the bad, you know, detention or bad reports home from school. And if the explanation had been as simple as, oh, he has severe ADHD, they would have been like, okay, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe we can get him on some medication or something. That way that his behavior is explained as opposed to

• 43:54Speaker 01

  he doesn't like doing homework or he's insolent or he, you know, he, he likes to be disruptive in class. Like, I don't like to be disruptive in class.

• 44:00Lewis Howes?

  Just can't focus.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  It's kind of what I do.

• 44:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  So I think it would have made my life a lot easier. I think it would have made my life a lot easier, just in the sense that there would have been a reason or explanation for why these things were happening.

• 44:10Lewis Howes?

  Now, do you feel like you'd be where you are today? If you would have been diagnosed with that or had, you know, support in that area when you were a kid, or would you be in a completely different career?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  I don't think it would have made a difference. I think I would, I think I ended up with the job that was right for me because, as I pointed out, the job is kind of, what I do on the, on the Kroll Show, I'm a sidekick, I do the sound effects. Um, it's kind of, um,

• 44:37Speaker 01

  it utilizes, it, it makes lemon, lemonade out of lemons, you know what I mean? Like I have these ADHD qualities where I blurted things out or I can't always control my output. And if I'm doing sound effects, I'm literally trying to sneak in a sound effect in between people's, you know, sentences. So it's kind of,

• 44:53Lewis Howes?

  It's perfect for you.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  It's kind of perfect for me, you know, so I'm, I think I ended up with, um, with the job that utilized my, uh, my skills, quote unquote, the best. I mean, everyone should be so lucky to have a career that, that, that turns a negative into a positive. You know what I mean? Like if, I mean, you know, like a Mike Tyson is an example who was probably a kid who was full of rage and angry, but he ended up being the best boxer, you know, of his generation.

• 45:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, interesting.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  That's an extreme example. We can all be Mike Tyson, but.

• 45:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. So what's your biggest fear moving forward, Brian?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  My biggest fear moving forward? Well, geez, of course, you know, I'd be terrified if the cancer, you know, came back, if the tumor started growing again. But I'm just, uh, my biggest fear is the book is not a success, that people don't buy it. Now, I, I, I mean, I try and live without, you know, too much, um, I don't worry about, as I mentioned in the book, I don't worry about what happens, I worry about my reaction to it. Cause what happens is largely uncontrollable and you can control your reaction. So, um, of course I'm afraid of, uh, you know, I don't, I don't want my tumor to start growing again, but if it does, I'll have to, we'll have to take some steps to, to, to arrest it.

• 46:03Lewis Howes?

  But there's nothing you can do about it until.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's nothing, yeah. So, and that's the thing. Yeah, exactly. Why live, you know, why live your life every day worried that, you know, something's going to go wrong? Cause next thing you know, a year or two or five or 10 have passed and you're like, oh, I've lived every day of my life afraid.

• 46:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  What, what kind of life is that?

• 46:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, not a life worth living.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  It's easier said than done. I'm not trying to be instructive to people.

• 46:24Lewis Howes?

  Especially when you have a tumor.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's, there's things to be afraid of, rightfully so, but do your best to live your life.

• 46:30Lewis Howes?

  And how important is music to you?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Really important. I, I, there were a whole chapter in there about my feel-good playlist. I woke up one morning thinking, I'm about to go through chemo, about to go through radiation. I need to have my, my, my songs in order, a playlist, so that I can listen to them and feel good. You know, I can inspire myself and I put them all together. That's another thing you can link to, by the way, because I made the playlist on Songs and actually exists, so people can listen to it if they want.

• 46:56Lewis Howes?

  I'll do that.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, I had to put together some songs.

• 46:59Lewis Howes?

  Just like a Brian Bishop playlist?

• 47:00Speaker 01

  That's what it's called, Brian Bishop's Feel Good Playlist.

• 47:03Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  I'll send you linked that too, but, uh, yeah, it's, um, just a whole collection of songs that meant a lot to me, or that were inspiring, or that just made you feel good.

• 47:11Lewis Howes?

  So during these treatments, when you had this, uh, tennis racket mask on?

• 47:17Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 47:18Lewis Howes?

  You, would you be able to listen to it during those, or would you just have to be like in meditation?

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Those I could not, but it was only 10 minutes long, so I couldn't bring, obviously, my whatever into their little, you know, radiation room. But there were plenty of times where I had the opportunity, you know, driving to and from the hospital. Um, when I was, yeah, meditating, or you're just getting ready in the morning, you know, just, uh, start the day off right.

• 47:39Lewis Howes?

  What would you think about during those radiation treatments? What was like going through your mind? Were you trying to think positive thoughts? Were you really analyzing your life? Were you just trying to get through the moment?

• 47:49Speaker 01

  All of the above. I, I think mostly, when it started off, I was so overwhelmed with trying to get things in order in my life, trying to make some sense and some order of, you know, the things I had to do, not only that day, but that week, that month, whatever. And so, keep in mind, the wedding's two months away. So, you know, I'm like, oh shit, things, I have a bachelor party coming up. I gotta email this person, follow up on this. So, um, I'm going through lists of things in my mind, but then after a few weeks of that, you know, I, I'm on the slab at the radiation room, and I'd been doing, you know, positive visualization and guided meditation and things like that, because...

• 48:24Lewis Howes?

  Did you have someone in particular that you were working with?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  I did. I had a woman named Barbara, who was a mother of a friend of mine, and she sort of did that professionally. She did a lot of that healing stuff and very, uh, new age metaphysical stuff, which I'm not, it's not really my bag, but I'm also, I'm a, I'm a, what would you call it? I'm a, um, a hopeful skeptic. I'm like, I don't think so, but man, if that'll work. I, not only I'll try it out, but I'm opening, I'm open to the possibility that it works. I, I'm not going to say no, because in my mind, the people who say, no, that's bullshit, I absolutely know for a fact that's bullshit, whether they're talking about God, or they're talking about meditation, or whether they're talking about ghosts, or whatever. How do you know? How do you know that's bullshit? You may suspect, you may believe it, but you can't know. That's arrogant. That's so incredible. That's, that's, that's, that's the same as people who say a hundred percent believe it.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  I know for a fact it's true. Yeah. That's, to me, that's exactly the same thing in my mind. I like to sit somewhere in the middle of like, okay, it does, it's probably not true, but if, if, if tomorrow a ghost came to me like, hey, I'm here, I'd be like, okay, well, there you go. I guess it's true. So, so I'm doing the positive visualization. I'm doing the meditation and everything. And did it work for you? I mean, it definitely worked to sort of put my mind at ease, to center myself, to organize my thoughts, to quiet my mind, all that stuff. And in order to fight something like cancer, or any, any illness, or anything big in your life, I really do believe you need to have your life firing on all cylinders. And, you know, emotionally, you need to be good, physically, and to be strong. You need to be strong to fight off the effects of radiation and chemotherapy.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  But I was thinking spiritually, you have to be, you have to be centered. You have to be cool with yourself, or whatever you want to call it. Put it in layman's terms. Grounded. Yeah, grounded, you know, have a clear mind, be in a positive space, whatever you want to call it. I'm open to calling it whatever. But you need to have your mind right. You need to put your mind straight. Yeah. And so I did a lot of that. And I heard a cool thing, which a lot of it, I will say footnote, has to make sense to you. Like, if you're doing something, it doesn't make sense to you, you don't believe in, it's not, It's not gonna work for you. It's not worth it. But one thing that made sense to me was, when you're getting radiation, visualize your tumor and visualize what it's doing and, and make your mind work that way. And I was like, that's interesting. So I visualize, you know, we all have our touchstones and our references. My touchstone was

• 50:36Speaker 01

  the arcade game Centipede, you know, where you're, you're the little, you know, spaceship shooting the centipede. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. And I was like, I imagined it was shooting those little mushrooms. It was shooting away, just, you know, pew, pew, pew, just shooting away at the tumor until it was no, no more. And that's what I visualized. That's what happened. Whether or not it worked or not, it helped me to ease my mind and put myself in a good headspace. And I encourage anyone to think the way that works for them.

• 51:00Lewis Howes?

  It's interesting. I have, you know, just a brief story about when I was in college, I was playing college football. In my freshman year in college, I started getting these like planter wards or something, some type of little like painful.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  On your feet.

• 51:12Lewis Howes?

  On my feet. Like a lot of them. And to the point where I couldn't run anymore. It was just so painful just stepping every time with these cleats like jamming up into my bottom of my feet. And I remember my sister put me through some guided meditation like that where she visualized these like planter wards or whatever. And visualize being in a river, your body in a river and the waters flowing through your, your head and down and out your feet, down out your toes. And those planter wards are like flushing out.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 51:39Lewis Howes?

  And just visualize it over and over. And I did that and literally within like, it was happening for like months. And then after I started doing that, they all went away.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 51:46Lewis Howes?

  And I was like, I don't know if it was just timing.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Did you take any medicine or anything for it?

• 51:49Lewis Howes?

  No medicine.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 51:51Lewis Howes?

  No medicine. So I don't know, you know, it worked for me.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, whether, but you, but you believed it. You, you bought in. It made sense to you.

• 51:57Lewis Howes?

  It did, yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  So that's the thing is I can see skeptics being like, this is bullshit. Find some version of it that isn't bullshit. It makes sense to you, you know, and, and. Uh, what's the harm? What's the harm?

• 52:07Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. Yeah. If it works, who knows? And what I really like about this book is you've got these cool little tumor tips.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:14Lewis Howes?

  And.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  How to get a tumor.

• 52:17Lewis Howes?

  And you should create like, Sarah, my assistant was telling me, you should create a pamphlet just with the tumor tips.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 52:22Lewis Howes?

  Give that to, to tumor patients or people with, uh, tumors.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Fuck them. They gotta buy the book.

• 52:28Lewis Howes?

  Well, that could be the free sample and then you sell the.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  For more.

• 52:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly. Um, but there was one that I really liked. I can't find it right now.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  I peppered the book throughout with tumor tips. Yeah. They're, they're practical tips, not just for people with cancer, but also people with any major illness or any major condition or, or people who want to be a help to, to people who have a major condition or some sort of situation.

• 52:48Lewis Howes?

  One, I think it was towards the end of the book where you really talk about gratitude, I believe.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's tumor tip, but I definitely talked to.

• 52:57Lewis Howes?

  Maybe it wasn't a tumor tip, but it was a part. There's a part towards the end of the book where you really talked about being grateful. Um, and how important is being grati- grateful for you and what are you grateful for?

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Well, I, I'm, I'm very, I'm very cognizant.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Of how lucky I am, of how lucky I am, number one, that I responded to the treatment. Number two, that my tumor has shrunk and that I ended up with great doctors. And you might not call that lucky, you might call it, uh, it worked out, or I'm fortunate, or, or, you know, these things happen for a reason. But I'm, I'm constantly aware of how lucky I am that I live, uh, with, at the time, I lived a stone throw from Cedars and that I had access to these great doctors and that I had a family and friends and a fiance, most of all, who, who cared so deeply for me and were able to help. And I'm, I'm aware constantly of how lucky I am that I have a great job and I'm on the, you know, best podcast in the world, or at least the most popular and most downloaded or whatever. And so-

• 53:54Lewis Howes?

  Always in the top 10 or whatever.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you know, the Guinness records thing and all of that. I'm very aware of how fortunate I am. So I think just being aware, for me, just being aware of, of, of what I've been given and what I've been allowed to do. And, uh, you know, I'm aware of how lucky I am that Adam decided to take a chance on me about all those years ago. You know, if he hadn't, I probably wouldn't be talking to you today, like I am now.

• 54:16Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  But I am, and I'm constantly aware of that. And it's always in the back of my mind, right next to my tumor, it's always in the back of my mind that this is what is propelling me forward, is all of this, this, you know, accumulation of, of, of lucky, lucky breaks.

• 54:30Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. It's awesome, man. Well, what's the one thing that you want people who maybe, you know, like me, who aren't really exposed to others with tumors or with cancer, brain tumors? What's something that you want, uh, someone like me to get away from this book? Or why should someone check this out? Or what's, what's the conversation we should have? Or what should we be aware of?

• 54:48Speaker 01

  I think the overall thing for some, maybe, maybe you're a good example of someone who's not really exposed to this kind of world. And I think eventually, I know eventually, everyone's going to be in this world, either themselves, or a loved one, or a friend, or a parent, or whatever it is, you're someday going to be adjacent to the cancer world. And I hate to say that, but the chances are extremely good that you will be affected by this in some way. And I hope that overall, more than anything, uh, people realize from, from the book that it's, it's a scary thing, and it's a serious thing, but it isn't all scary and it isn't all serious. There, there, there are times when you're allowed to smile and there's times when you're allowed to joke and there are times when you're, uh, need to step back and, and take a breath and say, all is not lost.

• 55:33Lewis Howes?

  And it's probably helpful to joke and smile and, and, you know.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I hope so. I mean, it helped me and I hope that those those times when when you can laugh at yourself are are helpful.

• 55:47Lewis Howes?

  Right. And so I want to I want to do the final question, which is what I ask all my guests. I'm going to videotape it before he's here.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 55:53Lewis Howes?

  See you now. And that's what's your definition of greatness?

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Oh, boy. Well, I think you know who put it best, or at least put it in a way that I really like is John Wooden, legendary basketball coach John Wooden for UCLA. He would often tell his players, don't worry about, don't worry about beating the other team or playing better or even what the final score is. You just worry about doing your best, what you're the best that you're capable of, and you'll be happy with the result. Now, whether you win or lose, that's one thing, but if you play your best, then you're going to you're going to appreciate the result. And for all of us, just do your best.

• 56:34Lewis Howes?

  I love it. Thanks so much, my man. And where can we get the book at? Where can we connect with you online?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Well, you can get it right here in front of you. The rest of us.

• 56:41Lewis Howes?

  I've got the advanced copy.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  The you do have an advanced copy. I'm so glad they got you a copy.

• 56:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's very nice book.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Good. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. I'm so glad you read it, too. I know how it is in our in our business. It's hard to read everything that comes across your desk.

• 56:54Lewis Howes?

  I've got like just books galore, man. It's crazy.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  But I'm very flattered. Thank you. If you want to get it, it's available everywhere. The publisher prefer you get it through Barnes and Noble or barnesandnoble.com.

• 57:04Lewis Howes?

  It's even at Walmart.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  But it's.

• 57:07Lewis Howes?

  Amazon, Barnes and Noble.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Amazon, Barnes and Noble. They're within 10 cents of each other. So just go wherever you go, wherever you like.

• 57:13Lewis Howes?

  And it's a really fast read. I mean, it's a story. It's it's it's got a lot of ups and downs, but it's a lot of fun. And your humor is what make you know what Sarah was laughing out loud through the whole thing. I was laughing out loud when I was reading parts of it. And you know, I don't read that much in general.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Sure. None of us do.

• 57:30Lewis Howes?

  So when it's something is funny and I can keep me hooked, I really appreciate the cleverness.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Thanks, man. Well, there's an audiobook, too. If you're not if you're not a reader, reader, there's an audiobook.

• 57:40Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Put it in your ears.

• 57:41Lewis Howes?

  So everyone go check out Shrinkage, Manhood, Marriage, and the Tumor That Tried To Kill Me by Brian Bishop, forward by Adam Carolla, and nice little quote by Jimmy Kimmel on the front.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  That's right. That was good to be the third most famous person on your own cover.

• 57:54Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, but I appreciate you so much for coming on, for sharing it, for opening up.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me on, man. I had a lot of fun. I appreciate it.

• 58:16Lewis Howes?

  There you have it, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode with Brian. If you did, make sure to head back over to LewisHowes.com/65, the number 65, and you can check out all the show notes there. Some of the videos and images that we talked about will be up on the site at LewisHowes.com/65. And again, if you enjoyed it, please share this with your friends over on Facebook, on Twitter, post a picture on Instagram and tag myself @LewisHowes. And let me know where you're listening to The School of Greatness all over the world. It's been fun every single day to get images with you guys posting from your workouts, hikes in the mountains, tropical paradises.

• 58:56Lewis Howes?

  So continue to post that online so I can connect with you and let me know which episode you liked most. Also, we were featured on the homepage of iTunes this last week. I don't know if anyone saw that, but a big thank you to iTunes for featuring The School of Greatness with Alexis Kara on there. And if you guys are enjoying the show still, if you have not yet left a review, I would love it if you left a review. It really helps the rankings on iTunes and gets the show out there to more people when it's higher in the rankings. So again, subscribe to The School of Greatness, leave a review, go ahead and subscribe on iTunes, SoundCloud, and Stitcher, whichever you prefer. And continue to check it out and share it. It means a lot to me. I appreciate you guys so much for

• 59:40Lewis Howes?

  listening and for commenting on the site, which you constantly do, for sharing it. I love you guys so much for this, and I'm going to continue to bump up the shows and do probably two shows, maybe three shows a week because of the positive feedback I'm getting all the time. So thanks so much for tuning in today and listening to this episode with Brian Bishop. You guys know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.

• 1:00:21Lewis Howes?

  Do you think this is your time?