Luigi Mangione Arrested, Jay-Z Accused, Daniel Penny Acquitted, Assad Flees Syria | PBD Podcast | Ep. 518

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the arrest of Luigi Mangione for the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Jay-Z accused of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old, Bashar al-Assad flees Syria & Daniel Penny is acquitted! 🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH🎄 VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4gk4yff📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO:‪@VALUETAINMENT‬ https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT ‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬ https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy ‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬ https://www.youtube.com/@theunusualsuspectspodcast ‪@bizdocpodcast‬ https://www.youtube.com/@bizdocpodcast ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:58Speaker 01

  What episode is this? I don't see the numbers there.

• 1:00Tom Ellsworth?

  518.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  518. But the reason why this is special is because it's at our new building. Now, you may not see it. You may think we're at the same exact place, but we're not. And maybe we'll do some B-roll to show you afterwards what this place looks like. But we're excited to be at this new set. Shout out to everybody on the other side who worked all weekend long to get this prepared. You know who you are, Chad, Kelly, Jake. I don't want to misname Rob's. We gotta help me out. Rob, who else was there?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Roberto, Andre, Barney, Tom, Julius. Barney, the facilities guy, man.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  You guys are amazing. Adam wasn't here for a second, but you guys were amazing. Phenomenal job. Thank you. They worked all weekend long to get this done. And a special surprise. Yesterday, while we're doing all of this to get it ready for today, I had a podcast to do with. Somebody that we've been trying to do for a long time. This isn't somebody that, you know, for some of you guys that love the mob interviews I've done in the past. Michael Francis, Sammy, Frank Calada, Oscar Goodman, you know, Phil Leonetti, Ralph Natale, all these guys. We finally sat down with John Gotti Jr. yesterday, and it was almost a four hour podcast. Lot was covered, a lot of shots fired, it's gonna be intense.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  It was very emotional, I think got emotional twice, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, when you opened up and shared a couple of stories. But that's gonna be going out here soon. So, the crew came, we did the podcast at the other building, then they came back here, worked all night to get this ready. Shout out to them. Anyway, stories to go through, a lot of stories we got to go through here today.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  One, with what happened with Syrian rebels toppling Assad, transforming Middle East. We got a lot of things to talk about there. Netanyahu hails historic fall of Bashar Assad in Syria, credits Israel's attacks on Hezbollah and Iran, okay? Stories with Trump, Trump will pardon January 6 rioters on day one. By the way, Trump did an interview with, what is her name?

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Kristen Welker?

• 2:59Speaker 01

  She, she, he did the interview with her, and I have to tell you, I think it's one of the best interviews I've seen. It was phenomenal on the interview, back and forth questions, we'll play a couple of clips. It was phenomenal, one part when she says, "So, now that you are going through this, what are you gonna do? America's divided." And while America's divided, what, he says, "Wait a minute, I'm not even the president yet. What do you mean, why come Biden's not bringing us together?" There were so many phenomenal moments between the two of them. We'll show you some of the reactions to it, so hang tight for that. Black Lives Matter leader sparks outrage as he claims KKK got another victory and rant outside Daniel Penny's trial because of Daniel Penny being acquitted.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  There's a lot of interesting things going on there in New York, some happy, some not, we'll address both. Then, the United Healthcare CEO assassination, Brian Thompson. They finally identified the shooter, Luigi Mangione. And by the way, he's not what you would expect him to be. He's got a very interesting background, but we'll cover that as well on what happened with them. And some reactions from some people defending him, which is very, very radical. But again, that's the part of discussion and hearing both sides. We'll cover that. Donald Trump and Jill Biden had a very, very unique, I want to say intimate moment. Intimate, intimate story. That prompted one of the greatest commercials of our time for cologne called Fight Fight Fight. Even your enemies cannot resist. I'm wearing it right now.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Are you really? Yeah. Yeah, there you go. All right, next. More drone sightings reported in Jersey. Some drone sizes of cars, by the way, apparently, the size of drones. There's a clip between Pierce Morgan and Neil deGrasse Tyson. We have to cover this because at this point of the game, I don't know where he's going next, Neil deGrasse. But he sounds like he's kind of trying to defend his argument and it's working against him. I want to get your thoughts and I will show it to you. Jay-Z denies allegations he sexually assaulted a 13-year-old in 2000. What did he come? This is a CNN story. We'll address that as well. California sheds more than 6,000 jobs due to fast food wage laws.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Couple stories there with California and then Anna Navarro and Whoopi Goldberg got into heated exchange on The View. Yeah, pretty bad. I love it. Vox Media split with ex-Wapo reporter Taylor Lorenz after explosive comments about United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. It was so bad that even Pierce Morgan had to say, what's the story with the joy? Why are you so happy? Why are you reacting this way? You'll watch this clip as well. And then we got a couple of other things we'll show you in regards to Syria. But it's great to be on here with you guys before I get right into it, gang. We are in that season. Month of November was incredible for us with the amount of people that have wanted to support the Future Looks Bright gear. I want to give a shout out to all of you guys.

• 5:51Speaker 01

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• 6:34Speaker 01

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• 6:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Embroidered, man, that's really quality.

• 6:51Speaker 01

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• 7:36Speaker 01

  I hope you got a specific plan for what you're going to be doing the next four years. Having said that, let's get right into it. Rob, if you don't mind,

• 7:45Speaker 01

  pulling up the clip of Trump sitting down with, did you say Kristen? Kristen Welker, yeah. Kristen Welker. What's the other girl's name from CNN? Kristen something?

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Dana Bash?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  No, no, the other one that, okay, so anyways. Caitlyn Collins.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. She has no upper lip.

• 7:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Kristen Welker's the one that Vivek faced off on at the debate.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  So, they're sitting here, there's so many different clips and topics. But I thought it was a phenomenal one hour and 15 minute interview to watch. Rob, which clip is this one that you have? There's a couple of them I want to react to.

• 8:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Talking about Joe Biden being the divider.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Right, go for it. Go ahead and play this clip.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  I don't have to tell you this because you've talked about it. It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  And now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years? For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter?

• 8:34Speaker 05

  No. No, why would I do that? But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided, I'm not the president. Joe Biden's the president.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  But you're going to be the president.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  No, no. I'm not the president. So when you say it's deeply divided, I agree. But Biden's the president, I'm not. And he has been a divider. And you know where he divided it more than anything else and it probably backfired on him? I think definitely is weaponization. When he weaponized the Justice Department and he went after his political opponent, me. He went after his political opponent violently because he knew he couldn't beat him. And I think it really was a bad thing. And it really divided our country.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Sir, Democrats have control of the White House now. They didn't in 2020. If they are going around stealing elections, why did they do it?

• 9:20Speaker 05

  When you say Democrats have control.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Watch his answer.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Of the White House.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  So why didn't they steal this election?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Perfect answer.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  Since they have more power now.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  Because I think it was too big to rig.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Yes, gangster. Yeah, silent.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  She doesn't have anything to say. Okay, by the way, that was fantastic, right?

• 9:38Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  While you're reacting to it, Vinnie, I'll come to you. Rob, can you find a clip of him talking to her about immigration and border and Obama? If you don't have it, I'll send you the clip as well. But your thoughts on what he just said to her?

• 9:51Speaker 03

  It's facts and the proof is in the pudding, okay? These people, and I was on Peers yesterday and I told these leftist MSNBC, CNN, if they don't start changing their tunes right now, and they can't help themselves, they are going to be out of work, okay? They're already getting pay cuts. It's like, and he shouldn't. Why should he concede? Why would you concede the 2020 election? It's been proven that they cheated. The FBI at Twitter and what, all those mail-in ballots overnight? I think it's, I'm so happy and it's so refreshing, Tom, that he is back and he has that same attitude. He hasn't missed a step.

• 10:26Speaker 06

  I agree. I don't think these are clips. I think these are rounds. And that round one there, she took a knockdown. The media is in coping mode. They are coping. So what are they doing? They are blaming the people that were inside Kamala's campaign. But they are explaining away what happened with the voters, and they are full of excuses. And what they are attempting to do is spin into a reality that fits with the coping mechanisms in their head. They're in denial. So the country's so, oh my gosh, you know, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do about it? It's like, wait a minute. I'm not the president. He's the president. He divided it. So don't try to spin this on me. And so that's what I think.

• 11:11Speaker 06

  You're seeing them in coping mode. They don't know where to start, and they go off in these angles, and they stick their chin out and they get hit.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  And Tom, and we're talking about, what is this? Meet the press, okay? You want to talk about dividing the country? It's the mainstream media. That's why nobody trusts them. Like, do we not forget? They went for a whole week saying Trump was Hitler, okay? And then you want to talk about dividing the country? If you make one guy out to be literally Hitler, this is all BS, but they just can't help themselves. They're getting a paycheck. I don't even think she believes what the hell she's saying.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  Christian Walker keeps getting hit. I mean, Vivek knocked her down in the first round at the, you know, the RNC in Miami. And now Trump has knocked her down. This poor Christian Walker is spending more time on her back than Kamala Harris. You know, so, you know, that's, so, in the middle of coping season.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Well, I would tell you, I don't know how much time she's spinning on her back. But what I would tell you is that I actually like this interview. Like, I wanted to watch this interview, and I think she was the right person to do it. I was actually very impressed with the way this interview turned out. What I was interested to watch, I watched the whole interview. Rob, can you play the clip in and out? I'm gonna come to you. Play this. Is this the one about, what are you gonna do when you send him home? You know, zero separation policy, that exchange? Is this the one?

• 12:29Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Perfect. This is the one, folks. You have to watch. Because the way he turned it on her, she had to pause for two seconds because she had nothing to say. Watch this.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  Let me ask you about some of your other promises on this topic. You promised to end birthright citizenship on day one. Is that still your plan?

• 12:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  The 14th Amendment, though, says that, quote, "All persons born in the United States are citizens." Can you get around the 14th Amendment with an executive action?

• 12:58Speaker 05

  Well, we're gonna have to get a change. We'll maybe have to go back to the people, but we have to end it. We're the only country that has it.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Through an executive action?

• 13:04Speaker 05

  You know, we're the only country that has it. Do you know, if somebody sets a foot, just a foot, one foot, you don't need to, on our land, congratulations, you are now a citizen of the United States of America. Yes, we're gonna end that because it's ridiculous.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Through executive action?

• 13:19Speaker 05

  Well, if we can, through executive action. I was going to do it through executive action, but then we had to fix COVID first, to be honest with you.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  This is not the clip, Rob. Thanks for watching. It's the other clip that, just play the clip I sent you if you have it. It's a TikTok clip. And it's phenomenal. Watch this.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  Obama, you do know that.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Rewind it a little bit, Rob. There you go. Watch this, folks. I just love the way he answers this. Go ahead.

• 13:46Speaker 05

  We also had it with Obama. You do know that.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  He didn't have a zero tolerance policy.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  And you also know he built the jails for children.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  He didn't have a zero tolerance policy.

• 13:53Speaker 05

  But in 2014, he built the jails. You know that.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  I want to ask you about the zero tolerance policy. He didn't have a systemic, we're gonna...

• 14:00Speaker 05

  We don't have to separate a family. Excuse me, Chris.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Watch this.

• 14:03Speaker 05

  We don't have to separate families. We'll send a whole family, very united, to the country.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  Very united.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  That way, the family's not separated.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Look at his face.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  So, no more family separations. You're not reviving the zero tolerance policy.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  Depends on the family. The family may decide to say, "I'd rather have Dad go, but..." And we'll stay here.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Did you get it?

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, Dad, we don't want Dad here.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Did you, I mean, the brilliance of Adam. Thoughts?

• 14:25Speaker 06

  So, a couple of things we just discussed. Birthright citizenship, country being divided, and the 2020 election. So, let me just start with the basic one. Listen guys, uh, Trump lost the 2020 election. Period, full stop.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  No, he didn't.

• 14:38Speaker 06

  Where they're, okay, well, Joe Biden's the president, so let's...

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Doesn't mean he wasn't fair.

• 14:42Speaker 06

  However, there were some irregularities. We all knew what happened with the Twitter files. We all know what happened with the New York Post. We all know what happened with Hunter Biden laptop. But don't get it twisted. They, they presented 60 court cases. They were, the majority of them were dismissed. I know you're gonna cite the one thing that maybe Joe Biden's the president, but we're looking forward, not backward. If you wanna just try to revisit and re, uh, reengage in the 2020 election, have at it, Hoss. But here's the deal. The country has been divided. It started, I would say, early 2000s with Clinton, Newt Gingrich, everything happened with there. And it's been descending since George W. Bush. Obama was definitely divider. When Trump showed up in 2015, 2016, not exactly a synergist,

• 15:27Speaker 06

  but I think he has a very unique opportunity to actually bring the country together right now. As far as birthright citizenship, he is right. I think we're the only country in, in the world where as long as you're, you don't even have to be a citizen. You could cross the border, drop an anchor baby, boom, the baby's now a citizen. There's a viral clip he talked about. You know, you have to have at least one parent who's a citizen. You can't just show up and have a baby and then boom, the whole family's there. So there's a lot of valid points here. And I think, bottom line, he does have a unique opportunity to reinvent his legacy.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Play the clip because he said he, Trump did lose the 2020 election. When she brought this up to him to say, will you concede the 2020 election? This was his answer that he gave to her. She specifically wanted him to say, now that you won, can you please come out and say you concede? That's what he said.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  This is your first interview since you won the election.

• 16:19Speaker 05

  Congratulations.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  Yes, congratulations to you.

• 16:21Speaker 05

  I hope you do well.

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Yes, and, sir, I don't have to tell you this because you've talked about it. It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  And now you're gonna be leading this country for the next four years? For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter?

• 16:42Speaker 05

  No. No, why would I do that? But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided,

• 16:48Speaker 03

  We saw this one.

• 16:48Speaker 05

  I'm not the president.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, concede. He won't. He won't concede. But here's the thing, Adam, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, going to your point. She's bringing it up. He's passed it, but he's not talking about it. But Adam, if we don't admit and come to terms of what they did, like, we all know, you know this yourself. They, if you want to call it election interference, it's cheating. They cheated, their guy won, the mail-in ballot situation with the harvesting. It worked, hey, hats off to them. I don't, he'll never do it. And we, as his supporters, I'm not gonna sit there and go, yeah, let bygones be bygones, because what if next time, Adam, it's not too big to rig? And they do the same shit again? And then another virus, which Peter Hotez is saying, he's predicting viruses out of his ass. Oh, January 21st, the day after Trump is coming in, there's gonna be another one.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  So, no, we have to let, figure out what happened.

• 17:38Speaker 06

  The magic flip the switch virus.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, switch, yeah.

• 17:41Speaker 06

  January 21st.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  And then, right, don't we have to keep them, be honest, Adam? We have to hold them accountable. If they did what they did, okay, like, all the people, all the FBI, whoever told them to go to Twitter and stop all the stories, all those guys, all those 51, uh, uh, secret, what were those agents? Rob, this not, um, Secret intelligence. Yeah, I want all of them to be held accountable. Because if we don't have everybody accountable now, they're going to do it again. They're Democrats, they're leftists, they're gonna do it.

• 18:07Speaker 06

  The 2020 election has got this COVID angle.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  No, I'm not, Adam, I'm being truthful.

• 18:10Speaker 06

  I don't think you're being dramatic.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Am I being dramatic? Accountability is dramatic.

• 18:14Speaker 06

  So, every Democrat cheats, is what you're saying?

• 18:16Speaker 03

  No, they've been proving that they did cheat. I want the ones that cheated to be held accountable.

• 18:20Speaker 06

  When you're saying prove it, we can investigate it. Voted for Trump, excited for Trump.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 18:24Speaker 06

  Wanna see Trump, 2025, I'm excited.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:27Speaker 06

  But this whole nonsense of, it's proven, it's proven, yeah, you're 0 for 60, buddy.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 18:32Speaker 06

  60 lawsuits, they presented in court, so.

• 18:34Speaker 03

  The same law, the same, the same justice system that's been effing the paper?

• 18:38Speaker 06

  I, I think revisiting 2020, and Chris and Welker brought it up.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  She did.

• 18:42Speaker 06

  Revisiting this nonsense that he won is not helping unify the country at all. I'm excited for 2025 and the future of America, not going back to the 2020 election. What does that do for anybody? Adam, accountability. I actually disagree with one part of your argument. Go ahead. Part of the argument I disagree with, it sounds a little COVID like. Where suddenly, oh, let's turn the page, turn the page, really? We're not going to turn the page and forget what Fauci did. We're not going to turn the page in these things. We go back and look at it and learn from the past and prosecute where we should to make a safer, more fair situation. Bullshit, bullshit. It's not what Fauci did, it's what China did. Now Fauci, Fauci should be held accountable. No, no, no, no, no. But let's not lose sight of who actually caused the virus and caused the leak. I have no idea. It wasn't Tony Fauci.

• 19:26Speaker 06

  What is that technique for? Let me finish. So I'm not criticizing you, I'm criticizing the fact that it was China. And if we're going to hold somebody accountable, not 85 year old sexiest man in the world, Tony Fauci. For the sake of time. How about Xi and Fauci? For the sake of time, I'm going to compress my preambles unlike you. And I'm going to get to the point. So what I was talking about is there's a COVID like feeling about the 2020 election. Where now we're willing to talk about certain irregularities. And we're willing to talk about voting machines. And we're willing to talk about mail in ballots. And we're willing to talk about things. And we've gone through investigation and said, you know what? There are some things here. And if we want safe, secure elections, then let's learn from 2020.

• 20:08Speaker 06

  The suits are the suits, but let's learn how we can keep a tight election going forward to bring the faith of the American people and trust in the electoral process. Tom. And there's a certain thing that's happening now that everybody wants to forget every single solitary thing about 2020. When there's things that we can learn going forward, just those things we can learn going forward about COVID. That's my point. I'll leave you guys to discuss the totality of it and go back to your argument. But that's my point. One simple question for you. I agree with you on accountability, COVID. I fully agree. When you sort of just interweaved, the suits are the suits, 60 lawsuits. They're oh for sixty. At what point are we gonna say, alright, they tried to appeal the 2020 election and they lost?

• 20:53Speaker 06

  So why are we defending the fact that he lost?

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I'm not.

• 20:56Speaker 06

  How's that helping?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Adam, but you're talking about the same.

• 20:58Speaker 06

  No, no, no, I'm talking about. When you said the suits are the suits, what do you mean? When did the suits stop and what have we learned since about insecure machines? Dominion machines, some of them are insecure. We did have a secretary of state that that broadcasts passwords that are the admin codes to get into them. That's a fact. All of those things happened close in and Laura Trump did a spectacular job deploying attorneys and people ready to be there, standing in the gap for freedom. In 2024. In 2024. Because she knew what they did in the other 20. Because of 2020. So you can say the suits are suits, but that's like going back in to say, hey, I'm sorry, all of you guys under Jim Crow laws, you're oh for 500 on suits. It's a new day.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Well, we'll check this out. We'll check this out.

• 21:41Speaker 06

  Both can be very true.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  FYI, here's the thing. The great thing about this is the following. Here's what I want, okay? I want to find a way where I can trust elections 100%. I don't know if Americans trust elections 100% right now. I don't know if they do, okay? And for you to have to double down on amount of lawyers that you need, shout out to Laura and their organization for being proactive about it. By the way, you make a good point. Zero to sixty, there's a part of what Adam is saying, which is kinda like, you won, let's move on. I love the fact that he said, no, I'm not gonna concede. Why would he concede? He made his position. He's telling his position. FYI, we're gonna see who's gonna show up to his inauguration. You know, is Obama gonna show up to the inauguration? Probably. Well,

• 22:27Speaker 01

  you know, Biden show up, or Kamala show up, or Clinton show, or all those guys. I'm sure Bill is gonna show up because Ivanka's gonna be there. He wants to.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  We're gonna see who's gonna show up to this thing when that takes place.

• 22:38Speaker 06

  I think it would be.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  But a part of it, a part of it, to say there was none of it in 2020, for me, there's two words that we have to qualify. Nowadays, especially when we're talking on the podcast, the podcast, people are, millions of people are following it. We can't wing it and just say stuff. There is interference. There is fraud. Those are two different things. Election interference is what? What Twitter did back before it was X? That was interference. What Zuckerberg did, that's interference. What YouTube did, that's interference. What those organizations did, a hundred percent, that's interference. Election fraud is, you know, ballot dumping, all that stuff that you're doing. Those are two different things that you have to do.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  There is zero argument that election interference didn't happen. Zero. Zuckerberg, who gave four hundred million, himself wrote a letter, knowing the risk he had, calling out the Biden-Harris administration, that he gave four hundred million dollars to, and said, "At the end of the day, the buck stops with me. I made a mistake." So, one hundred percent, there was election interference. Even when Elon bought it, we learned about it with Barry Weiss and, what do you call it? Michael Schlemm, Matt Taibbi, all these guys. So, interference, yes, but qualify and isolate the two. This one still has to be fully investigated. And I trust Cash Patel, some of these guys that are gonna be in there, they have plenty of time to go and find out what's gonna be taking place.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  And guess who wants to know? A guy like me wants to know. That's it. I just want us to trust that who I vote for is gonna be scored away. We have plenty of technology to do it the right way. Let's go ahead and make that progress.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  So, okay, so saying interference, okay, and I get the, I get the difference. Interference, and to me, I don't know about you, is still cheating, meaning you weren't letting the, the, the person that needed to hear the information hear it. That's like you, Adam, we're playing football, it's you against us, and you've tapped into my headset to where I can't communicate with my quarterback. You're interfering, you're cheating in the game. So, call it whatever they want, you still cheated and their guy won. Cheating is cheating. They like that. I think the word interference is a cool word that they figured out to get us away from the fact that you helped the other guy win by silencing us, by silencing the truth.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but those are two different things, Vinnie.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  But it's cheating.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Let me, no, a hundred percent it is. No, no, a hundred percent it is. I'm not saying that's not, all I'm saying is, I want to trust that if I drop this vote, you can't flip, you can't, so to me it's technology, ballots, IDs, how many states they don't want IDs, that is true fraud.

• 25:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  We gotta address those things.

• 25:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  Why don't we have 50 states asking for IDs? That's ridiculous to me that this is taking place. But on this side, yeah, there's no question about it that that took place. Let's go to the next story here, Daniel Penny. Okay, the, the results come out when, yesterday I believe, right? Results come out, Daniel Penny acquitted of criminally negligent homicide after more serious manslaughter charge was dismissed with, and this, by the way, I'm reading this story written by CNN, that was CNN's title. Daniel Penny, 26-year-old Marine, was acquitted of criminally negligent homicide and death of Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old man with a history of homelessness and mental illness, after Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed a more serious manslaughter charge following jury deadlocks. Penny restrained Neely in a chokehold on a subway car for several minutes after Neely acted

• 26:08Speaker 01

  erratically and yelled at passengers. Neely was later declared dead, Penny stated. "I wasn't trying to injure him, I'm just trying to keep him away from hurting anybody else." The trial included over 30 witnesses, bystander video, and expert testimony. The city medical examiner ruled Neely's cause of death as compression of neck chokehold, but the defense argued other factors, including a sickling, crisis, schizophrenia contributed to his death. Rob, the reaction to this from some of the folks, if you don't mind. One of the one was Black Lives Matter, Rob, if you can play that, there was a lady and a man, if you have that clip, please go ahead and play the clip.

• 26:46Tom Ellsworth?

  This is just the man first.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Okay, go for it.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Racism is still alive and kicking in America. There's no other way to view this. Everyone has looked at the case, and those among you who say that Daniel Penny is innocent have racism and bias in your heart. If you look at the facts of this case, then you understand that Daniel Penny is guilty. But today, white supremacy got another victory.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Today, the KKK, the Klansmen, the evil in America, got another victory. No, let it keep playing, because he said something very- They got that top charge dismissed. Dangerous statement. America shall continue to America, and shall continue to place second-class status on black people.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  There's another clip.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's another clip.

• 27:44Speaker 06

  I have another one. This is where he calls for protesting.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the one. This is the one. He's just like, "Everybody else has vigilantes? We need some black vigilantes." That's right. And that's not a crime to say that?

• 27:57Speaker 06

  That's encouraging violence.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  And choke us? That's not a crime to say that? And kill us for being loud? How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?

• 28:09Speaker 06

  As he's running across on his chest. He's a Christian.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  I know you're looking for us to be like, "Oh, go and march, go and march." No. This weekend, I want you to hold a community event everywhere from the Bronx to Houston to Seattle to Florida. Black people, hold community events and talk about what you need. Okay. All right. Pause it, Rob. Play the other clip, the lady, if you have the lady clip.

• 28:38Speaker 06

  I'm still looking for the lady. I do have Daniel Penny if you'd like to see him.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  This is him after the victory at the bar with his lawyer.

• 28:43Speaker 06

  It's like Troy.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Okay, go ahead and play this clip.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. He's feeling good, he's feeling good, he's feeling good. What's up? What's up together? How's it going? How's it feel? Feels great. He's finally got the justice he's deserved. Did you think it was gonna happen? Sorry?

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Uh, no, we think that this is, uh, this should have happened probably on day one, but, uh, the point thing is it happened, so, uh, we can't control the timing of it, but, uh, we can certainly savor the, uh, the outcome.

• 29:16Tom Ellsworth?

  And why do you think it was not guilty?

• 29:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, he's not guilty on a few different reasons because his actions were justified. He was trying to help people on that train and he did.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Okay, Benny.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Okay, so, um, I've been following this.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Sorry, can we see the actual video of what he did? Is that possible to show?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  I mean, it's out there, Rob, Rob could.

• 29:41Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think it's smart for us to show.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, um, so I've been following this because.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  So I'm understanding, what's the context? This is the thing on the subway?

• 29:48Speaker 03

  On May 1st.

• 29:48Speaker 06

  I don't know the story.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  I'll tell you right now, okay. Uh, on May 1st, because it was my birthday, uh, 2023, this guy, United States Marine Veteran is taking the subway to go to school to take a class.

• 30:01Speaker 06

  Is the penny guy?

• 30:02Speaker 03

  The penny guy, so the, the, who was the individual's name that he?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Neely, Jordan Neely.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Jordan Neely, he's on the train, Adam, flipping out, saying this, I'm going to kill you. I'm prepared to go to jail for life to everybody. There's kids, women, all races. This is freaking New York.

• 30:17Speaker 06

  He's a black guy.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  He's a black guy. I'm willing to die. He's schizophrenic and he's on drugs. They found drugs.

• 30:22Speaker 06

  Schizophrenic and on drugs.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  And on drugs, okay. He's going, he's going crazy. He, um, he starts tripping out and now notice how there's no footage, Adam? The, the headlock is on camera. There's no footage of the pre anything. You know why? People were feared for their lives and trying to run away and get away from this guy. They only started recording once he was subdued. And you know what the real problem is, I think, guys? It's not about race. Besides BLM, that, that rhetoric isn't working. They're already rioting and people are getting punched and stuff in the streets of New York. It's not about that. Can we talk about where this happened? Tom, where did this happen?

• 30:54Speaker 06

  On the subway in New York.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  New York City, okay? That's the, this is the problem, okay? It's New York's crime. It's the justice system failing. This dude was, uh, Jordan Neely was arrested, are you ready for this? Forty-four times. Does that even make sense to you? Forty-four times for crimes, including kidnapping of a seven-year-old in 2015.

• 31:14Speaker 06

  This is the video?

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Punching, yeah, that's it. That's it. Punching a 64-year-old man.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, you guys just missed that.

• 31:20Speaker 06

  Sorry.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Kidnapping of a seven-year-old.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  In 2015.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Keep going, keep going.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  Punching a 64-year-old man in 2019, breaking a 67-year-old woman's nose in 2021 when he punched her and she fell on the subway, okay?

• 31:33Speaker 06

  So he's an absolute sweetheart of a guy.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  He's a sweetheart and, and this is it. He was Jordan Neely, uh, uh.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  He's a released and re-released sweetheart.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Forty, yeah, 44 times and what, uh? Again, Pam, so the independent said, because they kept talking about race. He goes, "I didn't see a black man threatening passengers. I saw a man threatening passengers."

• 31:55Speaker 06

  That's exactly right.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Women of color, men of color, and nobody wants to talk about. Do you see that photo? You see that guy with the hat? He was grabbing this. He wouldn't stop fighting. This guy was a man of color, as they want to keep saying it, wasn't arrested, nothing to, nothing happened to him.

• 32:11Speaker 06

  And you see him at the guy with the black hat is helping Penny restrain the guy and hold the guy. He's not like, "Hey, let go of that black guy." That's not what's going on.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 06

  It is a out of control man threatening the safety and welfare of the people in there, ends up in a scuffle, ends up on the floor, ends up in a chokehold.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. And mind you, didn't want to do it. He's restraining him. Tragic loss. The guy's dead, but it, this goes back to the same thing with George Floyd. All right? George Floyd, high on drugs, lethal amounts of fentanyl, trying to pass a $20 counterfeit bill. The cops showed up and then, you know, a little bit excessive, whatever you want to call it. But if you're not a scumbag, if you're not a degenerate, if you're not a criminal and the system keeps, you keep falling through the cracks, he, George Floyd would have never met Derek Chauvin if he wasn't a degenerate scumbag criminal.

• 32:59Speaker 06

  And George Floyd also had a lot of appointments with law enforcement.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, nine times.

• 33:03Speaker 06

  Released, released, released.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Nine times, nine times arrested. And let's not forget what George Floyd did. One of his crimes was home invasion where he took a gun and held it to a pregnant woman's stomach while his friends robbed the house. And everybody thinks these people are freaking saints. It's the system, it's criminals, and for BLM to come up there and incite, he's asking for violence. And I agree with you. That, he should be investigated because that guy's been arrested for talking crap to a cop and assaulting a cop. That guy, Hawk, what's his name, Rob? The, the, the BLM guy?

• 33:32Speaker 06

  Oh, um, I'm not sure.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  I forgot, but, but ready for this. I think his name is Hawk.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  Hawk Newsome.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Hawk Newsome. And you know what people don't want to talk about? On June 13th, 2023, Jordan Williams, a 20-year-old from Queens, fatally stabbed the 36-year-old Victor Odrogo on Brooklyn train. Witnesses reported that the Odrogo was homeless, had been harassing passengers. And assaulted Williams' girlfriend. In response, Williams stabbed him and he killed him. And guess what happened? All charges dismissed. Everything was self-defense. Nothing in the paper because he's a black man. All of a sudden, it's a white guy that's protecting black people, and it's racism, and BLM is doing their bullshit again. I think he's a freaking hero, and he should be commended for what the hell he did for saving people's lives on the train.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Daniel Penny.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Daniel Penny.

• 34:17Speaker 06

  So, did he? Fully agree with majority of what you said. So, he sort of was a hero?

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 34:26Speaker 06

  Held down this guy. How long was he choking him for?

• 34:30Speaker 03

  A minute or two minutes where another guy was trying to subdue him. He wouldn't stop fighting. And once he let go of him, his heart was still beating.

• 34:36Speaker 06

  Until the subway cops arrived.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  But then when you have drugs in your s- I don't know how his heart reacts to drugs and stuff like that.

• 34:41Speaker 06

  These citizens didn't have handcuffs or restraints. Yeah, of course. Right? They're waiting for the subway to stop, and they're waiting for-

• 34:46Speaker 03

  And for all the people out there that are talking shit, if we were on a train, and your kids and your family's there, and somebody's going, "I'm going to kill you. I'm ready to die, and I'm willing to-" Guess what? You're a threat, and we have to stop you. Period. Then shut up.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Six minutes. Penny placed Mr. Neely in a chokehold for six minutes.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Yep, and he was fighting the whole time.

• 35:04Speaker 06

  He died of asphyxiation.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:05Speaker 06

  He reacted directly.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  But here's a question, though. Here's a question. So, how many people, Rob, use the New York subway every day? What's the number? Can you type in, "How many people use New York subway every day?"

• 35:19Speaker 06

  Hundreds of thousands.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  I want to know the number. Every day. What is the number? 3.6 million people each day. So, here's a question. In 2019, it was 5.5 million. That's what it was. Went to 3.2 million to 3.6 million today, okay? And so, we're still not pre-pandemic levels. Don't you think a percentage of people that don't use the subway anymore is because of what happened in crime during COVID? They're like, dude, like, imagine what a father or mother tells their kid. "Hey, Adam, don't use the subway." Imagine what a husband tells his girl, his wife, or their kids. "Hey, babe, don't use the subway." "Honey, don't use the subway. Honey, take a cab. Don't use the subway. Honey, don't use the subway." Now, what if you can't afford not to use the subway? You have to use the subway.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  What happens when you go into a subway? Like, imagine right now- Today, using the subway today, after what he said, that guy, Hawkeye. Imagine using the subway today. The tensions, you're sitting there, you're with a kid. You're sitting with your nine month old baby. How are you feeling? What are you looking for? What makes you feel safe? Who makes you feel safe? Does a guy like Daniel Penny make you feel safer? When you're in a place like that? Yes, because he's gonna do what others maybe don't wanna do. How many other men were there? That they could have done something to prevent this guy from going around saying I'm gonna kill somebody? How many of them reacted? Not many. Why? What does it take? It takes courage. And there's a risk.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  So is that guy a hero or a villain? I mean, look, there's, there's a, there's a part of, part of things that's going on with me that, that I'm not comfortable about. We can go into this next story, Tom, unless if you got any thoughts on this.

• 36:59Speaker 06

  No, you just said, that's why Daniel Penny was on the subway. He is a Marine Corps veteran, using the VA bill to go to school. He did not have the amount of money you need to take Ubers or have a driver every day. So he is using the public subway to go back and forth to school.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  And, and last point, do you remember in March 2024? Ca- Kathy Hochul, Hochul, whatever the hell her name is, the governor? She deployed 1,000 troops to the subway system. National Guard, 700 National Guard and 250 police officers. We're not, what, is it Iraq? That's how bad the subway is. It's a joke in New York when people are like, oh shit, you're gonna go on the subway? It's a joke. And this all goes to New York, bro. Every, the mayor under investigation, illegals in the city. You can't ride the subway. It's like, when, when are we gonna stop playing this game? It's Gotham City. It's disgusting.

• 37:47Speaker 06

  And we gotta move on, because Eric Adams also talked about revenue shortfall from the transit.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  But I was about to go there in a completely different way. What, what did Adams say, say the other day? I love what he said. He said something like, I don't care what you're gonna do with, you know.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  Cancel me.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  I don't care if you're gonna, is that what he said?

• 38:03Speaker 03

  He said, go ahead and try to cancel.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  I don't care if you're gonna cancel me. You know, because of what? His relationship with Trump or something? I'm gonna do whatever I can to clean the streets of New York. But he made a comment about, I don't care if you cancel me. It's getting to a point that even Eric Adams is sitting there saying, guys, we guys, we gotta find a way to clean up the streets. Even a guy like that is getting sick of it. But I wanna get to the next story here. That also has to do with New York. So. CEO of United Healthcare, okay? Brian Thompson gets shot down a few days ago. Six shots. Everyone's trying to find out who this guy is. Okay? Finally, they find a guy. And the profile of this person they found is very interesting. It's not what you would have thought.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  This isn't a guy that, you know, has issues of kidnapping a seven-year-old and all this other stuff. The profile is very, very different. Luigi Mangione, named a suspect in Brian Thompson shooting. Okay? So now, who is he? Luigi Mangione, 26, was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania on firearm charges and is primarily primary suspect in the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December 4th. Found out at McDonald's, Mangione was carrying a ghost gun that may have been 3D printed, a silencer, and a fake New Jersey ID matching one used by the shooter.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Police also discovered clothing matching the gunman's attire and a manifesto expressing anger at, ready? The healthcare industry and corporate profits. Brian Thompson, 50, was shot at close range outside the Midtown Manhattan Hilton Hotel while attending United Healthcare's investor meeting to discuss record profits. The shell casings at the scene said the phrase, "Deny, defend, dispose." Rob, do you have a clip to share on this one? If you want to play this clip, go for it.

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• 40:32Speaker 06

  Aaron, one of the most interesting parts of that particular hearing was actually his statements after the conversation about bail. The prosecutors basically stepped up there and made the case why they believe that this man should be held without bail. They mentioned that he is awaiting potentially an arrest warrant coming from New York City is one of the major reasons. But they also said that prosecutors noted that they found him with $8,000 in US cash, $2,000 in foreign currency, his passport, and also a Faraday bag, which is basically a bag designed to stop transmission of cell service or other sort of things like that. At the end of his speech, the prosecutor's speech, Luigi Mangiuliani said, "I actually want to address two of the things that you said."

• 41:15Speaker 06

  He said, "I don't know where that money came from. I'm not sure if it was planted." And then he also said that that bag was waterproof. And the term that the prosecutors used when discussing the Faraday bag, the ghost guns, the 3D-printed silencer, was, the prosecutors used a phrase saying, "This is criminal sophistication." Luigi Mangiuliani said, "I don't know about any of this criminal sophistication," when addressing that. But it's just interesting, Aaron, that of all of the things that were mentioned in that court appearance, the two that he noted or took issue with was the currency and then that bag. Aaron? Tom. So, there's a couple of things here on this kid. I shouldn't say kid, he's 26 years old.

• 41:57Speaker 06

  Wall Street Journal had a story that really caught my eye, so I dove into it. I've been reading like everybody else is. I'm looking for facts, I'm not looking for wild conclusions. And said he was an Ivy Leaguer with anti-capitalist leanings. And in the article, and in other places, there's consensus that he was valedictorian of his high school and did a very touching address in which he thanked his parents, he thanked other people, showed a very balanced guy at that time graduating high school, who also called out and credited a kid that was at the high school that had not spoken Spanish when he got to the high school and heard he was graduating, this private high school in Baltimore, had done very well. And so, he goes on to Penn, the Ivy League school.

• 42:43Speaker 06

  And somehow he comes out of that and then goes to Hawaii and San Francisco to liberal hotbeds, hangs out in these areas, a co-living facility that you can look it up in San Francisco, incredibly liberal, and goes there. So what happened to this kid? This kid comes from a ve- of an Italian-American, accomplished family. His grandparents have made money and been very successful, and he appears to be this balanced kid giving a valedictorian speech, and all of a sudden, he comes out of Penn. And I'm not ready to blame the whole thing on Penn, but I will say this: When you charge eighty thousand dollars a year for tuition to influence kids and educate them, you can't stand on the other side of the line and say, "Oh, well, we didn't influence them."

• 43:25Speaker 06

  What's going on at Penn and things, they said he came out with these anti-capitalist leanings, and he's starting to read other things. And so, I look at it, and I think, "This is a horrible, horrible tragedy. Who knows what flipped his switch to be able, as a balanced kid, to walk the street that day, lie and wait for Thompson, and pump several shots into him?" Not one, not impulsive, but to stand over him and keep firing. Who knows what flipped that switch? But I am deeply concerned, because I see a before and after, and I don't think you can run from the influence that college had on him, and where he chose to go after college, to hang out in San Francisco and then in Hawaii. Hawaii, maybe

• 44:10Speaker 06

  it's, maybe he's out there for the sun and all that, but he went to San Francisco in this area. It just bothers me. If you don't think your kids can be influenced, you're not paying attention.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  You're making a very good point. By the way, this is the speech you were talking about, Rob, if you want to play a clip of it.

• 44:22Speaker 06

  High school?

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  How about this winter, when Kevin Wayne delivered his senior speech?

• 44:28Speaker 03

  As Kevin moved to America and joined our class in ninth grade, English isn't his first language.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  This is him, by the way.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  But that didn't stop him from delivering a both hilarious and thought-provoking speech about his transition to the United States. How about Ray Saunders leading Gilman's first year cybersecurity team? Even competing against hundreds of veteran teams, the Gilman squad managed to advance to the state and then regional championships. All of these endeavors took a huge amount of courage. They demonstrate that the class of 2016 truly has the fearlessness to explore new things and the obvious ability to excel. But as inventive as the class of 2016 is, our class was able to explore the new while also preserving the old.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  You can pause it right there. I mean, obviously, he seems, Rob, can you pull up who his parents are? Who are his parents? Who are his parents? Because if you type in his parents, I'm curious enough if we have anything about his mom and dad, what they do and what they did. At 26 years old, I mean, at this point in the game, the people that are investigating this, you should learn all this stuff as far as a sprawling family found success after patriarch rise go a little lower.

• 45:38Speaker 06

  His grandparents were very successful, apparently.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Can we see that Nick Manjoni was reported, one question, he had purchased a high-profile local country club in 1970s. That's the grandparents. They asked me what family I belonged to. I told them I belonged to the Manjoni family. The Manjoni family of Baltimore County, the patriarch of a sprawling Italian-American family who died in 2008 was a self-made multimillionaire, real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes, and radio stations while supporting an array of civics causes. His descendants, he and his wife, Mary, had 10 children, went out to be successful in their own right, including excelling in athletics at Loyola University and taking over the family businesses while grandchild is a state delegate. One of his 37 grandchildren is now a person of interest, one of the 37.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  So, good family, they've done right, they've raised them well. 26-year-old father led Manjoni family enterprise, was himself off to prominent start, valedictorian 2016 Gilman School graduate of University of Pennsylvania. Is that Penn? Like, the Penn, Penn?

• 46:37Speaker 06

  That's Penn.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Penn, okay.

• 46:39Speaker 06

  Number two Ivy League rank right now.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  And early, and by the way, I wouldn't really put Penn as the furthest left Ivy League school.

• 46:47Speaker 06

  No, Brown is the furthest.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  That's right. But it's small Rhode Island. Sure, for sure. So now Louis Mangione was taken into custody. So I don't know if I can put this all on pen here, Tom. For questioning Monday morning after recognized Atlanta. Late Monday, Manhattan prosecutors filed. And in a statement post late Monday on social media, the family said it cost. Could not comment on the report. We we only know. What we have read in the even the family is saying this. We only know what we read in the media. Our family is shocked and devastated by Luigi's arrest. We offer our prayers to the family of Brian Thompson and we ask people to pray. All involved, the family wrote. We're all devastated by the news. Thompson's killer allegedly wrote those words. And by the way, when they asked kids who knew him from school.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  They said, this was the boy I I set him up with a bunch of my girlfriends because. He was the guy you wanted to date your friends because he was such a good guy that he was that guy. So. What flipped, by the way? I'm telling you. A movie I went in and I walked out and I told Marius, we went with 25 of us.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  And at 41, 42 minute mark, I'm like, I'm out of here. The movie Joker with Joaquin. The first one. Well, you know, not the bullshit one they did with whatever. The musical. Musical with what's her name? Not this one, Rob, the first one. The first one. Yeah. Was he Heath Ledger?

• 48:05Speaker 03

  No, no, no, this is Joaquin Phoenix.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  You're thinking you're thinking Batman. This is just Joker. Yeah, this. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joaquin Phoenix, which to me is just one of the most underrated. He could be on one of the top 10 lists. He's that good of an actor. And you know what the story is about? I mean, what what is the story? Chaos, anarchy. Who does he kill in the movie? Who gets killed? The capitalists? The capitalist? Why? I mean, they painted the father and the family and everything in such a way.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  These things matter. These things matter. You're painting people and you're inspiring people now. I think once they get to the bottom of it. If the family responded that way. Guess what we know? It's definitely not that one of their family members didn't get the proper care they needed from health insurance or hospital. Fair? Because if the family says that we're so disappointed and shocked, so then could it be a girlfriend? Could it be a friend? Could it be somebody that's a coworker? Could it be an influence? Could it be somebody? It's very interesting. And by the way, who knows what some of these things could be with this guy, but.

• 49:14Speaker 06

  If I could follow up. So Pat said something important. I want to make sure I clarify it. He said, you can't put this whole thing on Penn. I'm not. Here's what I am saying. In four years from that speech to when he graduated, he changed slightly. And then three years later, he's capable of an amazing premeditated capital murder. There's something going on there.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  When did he graduate from Penn?

• 49:37Speaker 06

  When he was 18 and a half years old, according to his birthday. So he graduated from.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Penn, not high school.

• 49:44Speaker 06

  22 and a half, going on 23.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so that was three years ago.

• 49:47Speaker 06

  It is three years ago.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  What I want to know is what happened the last 90 days?

• 49:50Speaker 06

  And that was my point about what flipped, what switch flipped. But the anti-capitalist leanings that were in some of the things he wrote and comments and in book reviews that the Wall Street Journal is talking about, you know, where does that come from? That's not coming from his grandparents who are real estate capitalists, or his parents who are running the enterprise of the company, certainly. Something is happening, PBD. I'm not blaming Penn alone. I'm saying, is there fingerprints of Penn in the change of his heart? I think, yes, there are.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  I have a sort of a slightly different angle here because I think it highlights the inefficiencies and how messed up our healthcare system is and what they describe as sick care. So, you know, they say that life imitates art or art imitates life. You brought up The Joker. I'll bring up another movie that you've referenced multiple times, and that's the movie John Q. Remember that story, PBD? So the story was Denzel Washington, his son, playing baseball in a

• 50:50Speaker 06

  Baseball game drops basically debt and collapses do in a baseball game due to an enlarged heart. So when he goes to basically see if the insurance company and the coverage will cover the heart transplant, they do not. And he doesn't have the money and he's denied and he basically it it sort of highlights. And this is sort of the point here with this guy, the drastic measures that family members, parents in particular, will take to care for their kids or their loved ones. So what Denzel Washington does is, if you recall, holds the emergency room hostage and says, I need to get my kid a heart transplant. I mean, think about what you have to be going through.

• 51:32Speaker 06

  Your kid is almost dead and you hold the hospital hostage in order to save your son's life. It was such an emotional situation, he was willing to kill himself and sacrifice himself to give his son the heart. But in the end, what happened was the judge, after he was, you know, caught, everything had leniency on him, he didn't charge him for.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  What's the point with this?

• 51:56Speaker 06

  So the point is this, the healthcare system is the reason that this is happening. The healthcare system is the reason.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Dude, you can't put you can't put that like that, bro. You can't say something like.

• 52:07Speaker 06

  I can, and I'll tell you why.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  For your statement to say the healthcare system is the reason why this is happening.

• 52:13Speaker 06

  I'm not saying, I'm not saying.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  It could be one of the reasons, you can't say the reason.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  I'm sure it's multiple reasons, but you don't write on the bullet or the gun, deny, defend, depose. Last week, we talked about how United Healthcare had the highest amount of declinations of coverage, and it wasn't even close. So why did he target this specific individual? I'm not saying that this was the only reason.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Let me, let me tell you.

• 52:41Speaker 06

  But there, there's definitely some room for conversation here about what's going on in our healthcare system.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  I'm not one that's gonna sit here. Tom, I'm speaking. If we, you're in, we're interrupting a lot today, like, let's just, let us, you did it to Vinnie, you did it to Adam, now you're doing it to me. Let us make the point. We'll come to you, there's plenty of time. So the part I want to say to you with this one, here's this, is.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  When you, when you think about issues like this with healthcare, one of the hardest things for us to do is the fact that one cop kills somebody, every cop's a bad cop. And all we want to talk about is only the bad cop stories. How many good cop stories does the news share? Nobody. I had an old friend of mine, his name is Jeff. We used to be very close back in the days. He wanted to start a news network called GNN. You know what his idea was? Good news network. Okay? But you know what it was? Nobody would watch it. Because we're only obsessed with what?

• 53:39Speaker 03

  Bad news.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Bad news.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  If it bleeds, it leads.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Now, here's the problem. There, there's plenty of, my dad's 82 years old. Who gets credit for that? The alcohol he drank? The, the packs of cigarettes he smoked? Who gets credit for that? All the wonderful doctors that made this man live to 82 years old that my three-year-old Brooklyn meets my dad. So we have to be very careful when we make blanket statements. There's a part of it that you're right. 32% denial rates? Okay. Yes. The market will react and say, yes, you're going and celebrating profits. Do what the hell is wrong with you guys denying 32%? While the industry average is 16%? What is the matter with you to do 32% denial? That has to be investigated.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Trump is sitting down with the same lady, I, I keep forgetting her name.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Kristen Welker.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  It's not out of respect. She, she, I think she did a good job. You said Kristol or Kristen?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Kristen Welker.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Kristen Welker does the interview. And you know what he says? Here's what he says. He, he, she asks him a question and says, hey, um, you know, uh, uh, out of, uh, out of curiosity, you know, what's going to happen with healthcare? Are you going to autism and all this stuff? And Trump says, we have to look at it. He says, you know what I did the other day? He says, the other day at Mar-a-Lago, matter of fact, I called everybody. I called, uh, uh, Bobby Kennedy and I called all the CEOs of the big pharmaceutical companies. I said, we got to figure this thing out. He says, you know what I learned? He says, it's not even the pharmaceutical companies that are making all this money. There's a lot of middlemen that are also making a lot of money. Whatever it is, first of all, the pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money. I think that part has to be set aside.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have to figure this thing out. Covid vaccines made Pfizer a lot of money. No shareholder of Pfizer is sitting there saying their wealth, especially the people that own a lot of money. Their wealth wasn't positively impacted by Covid that were forcing. What percentage of Americans took the vaccine? Sixty-seven percent? Can you pull up what percentage of Americans took the vaccine, Rob? What percentage of Americans took the vaccine? Was it cheap? Was it free? Was it for nothing? Seventy percent, okay, now it's eighty-one percent of the population took at least. Excuse me, took at least one dose.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Overall, two-hundred-and-thirty percent was fully vaccinated, it was sixty-seven percent. Now it's seventy percent. You know what that is? That's two-hundred-and-thirty million customers. You tell me what business isn't gonna do good with two-hundred-and-thirty million customers? That part of it, for sure, we have to investigate. Coming back to this kid. Tom, if it's not family. If it's not like I watch, I would have looked at who he followed, because you guys told me before. Pat, I think he followed you on Twitter. He did follow me on Twitter. If you want to pull up who this guy followed on Twitter, Rob. Very interesting, okay? I think his account you said was Pep Mangione. So it's not, it's not that one, is it that one? Yeah, okay, go to followers and zoom in so we can see who he follows. From the top, Rob, from the top.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  So Ezra Klein, columnist from New York, okay, got it. Leopold, don't know. Er- Er- Erwitt Center, Zuby, keep going. Beth Naval, okay, Naval, very interesting guy. Nassim Taleb, which is the book he wrote, which, uh, uh, Skin in a Game. So why would he follow Nassim Taleb? Somebody who follows Nassim Taleb wouldn't do something like this. Because Nassim Taleb said everyone's got skin in a game. Right, then you go Sam Altman parody, then he follows the real Sam Altman. Then Le- Le- Le- so Edward Snowden, he follows, okay, AOC, he follows, keep going. So who else? We got Jonathan Haidt, who wrote the book. He wrote the book Anxious Generation, Tom, which we highly recommend everybody read.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Maybe he was going through something with anxiety that we don't know about. Why is he following that guy? He's following me, he's following Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy, vaccine, and he only followed seventy-something people. Brett Weinstein. Brett Weinstein is a good voice for society, right? Keep going. So you're Jonathan, keep going, John McAfee. Now, interesting, that one right there, right? John McAfee. Keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower. Steve O., Joe Rogan. Okay, Dragon Believer. Alexander, William Costello. You got Ali Abdaal. Matthew Johnson, psychedelic scientist. Keep going. James Clear, one of the best books of all time. Guy sold millions of copies called The Atomic. Things called Atomic Habits. Chris Williamson, Net Positive to Society.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Andrew Huberman, Net Positive to Society. The coach. Phil Jackson, the coach. Trevor Noah, the comedian. Keep going. Matt Walker, Michael Pollan. Uh, I'm sorry, is that the comedian or no? No. Oh, keep going. Is that it? That's it. So, I mean, Tom, who could influence him from 23 to 26 to make something like this happen? That's not related to family.

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  23 to 26, your influences, you know, are going to be beyond family. And FBI profilers and people can talk about, um, uh, the cases that were in, uh, the UK, the radicalization of young men in their early twenties by the clerics that were in London. You, you have an external mentor. So you as an adult are like, okay, I'm spreading my wings a little bit. You have family as foundation, but now family is not influencing you as much anymore unless you're working in your dad's business, you remain super close. Now you're out there in society and who? Are your associations, we tell people all the time, watch your associations. You know, the five people that are closest to you have the greatest in terms of parallels in life.

• 1:00:03Speaker 06

  Or there's going to be five, four or five, they say, that have great influence on you. So between 23 and 26, you're going to have a guy who is external influences. Now we're going to be influencing you more than family, along with the maturation of the mind through college into that adult state. So I don't know that that list there tells us a lot because I don't see radicals on that list. I don't see, I see a couple, I saw Richard Dawkins on that list. I don't see like hard radicals on that list. So the question is beyond who he's following on social media. And by the way, how much, how intense was he on social media? You got to understand people's intensity. Was he there four hours a day, 40 minutes a day?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Rob, did he tweet anything, Rob, or no?

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  You know, there's a difference there. So I want to know who were the core influences taking up the majority of idle hours? That were on his mind and in his ear? That's what I want to know. And that's what FBI profilers will tell you, they want to know.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  And he didn't say, and by the way, he didn't say one word to anybody. But you know, the only thing that strikes me odd is that after three hours, Twitter discovered who this guy was. We knew his entire life, backstory, family ties, education, everything. Donald Trump's assassin, whatever, Thomas Crooks, had six cell phones? And we still don't know anything about that guy five months later. So it's just kind of weird, Tom. Who did influence this guy? Who talked, who talked in this guy's ear that made him go and shoot? Because it just doesn't make any sense to me. This guy looks like a good kid, good family, and then all of a sudden this lone guy goes out there and starts shooting. It's kind of suspect.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  May I give a little bit of an explanation or maybe even push back to what you said? PBD, I do agree blanket statements don't, don't help anything. So I'm not here to figure out what this guy did. Of course, he wrote the key word to any shooter, a manifesto, we all, we understand that thing. But here's what I will say about the healthcare system and why I'm doubling down on it. So the whole deny, defend, depose thing, there's a reason that he picked the United Healthcare CEO? Who has double the industry average of decline rates by insurance.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Companies. So do you know what the number one reason for bankruptcy is in America?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Health.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not job loss, it's not divorce, it's not the economy, it's not credit card debt, it is medical expenses. So if you get sick and you don't have coverage and you get this massive bill, what do you say, sixty-four percent?

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Sixty-four percent of bankruptcies are due to medical bills.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Bingo. So there's something there.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  But that was a two years.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  There's something there. So I don't know what happened with this guy, but something tells me it had to do with declining coverage.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  For me, I think school for sure, influence, right? I think this for sure, influence. I think all of that is influence, but I don't know if any of that is one. I want to know what happened the last ninety days to this guy. I'm going through all his tweets. His tweets would be somebody who's a libertarian. That's what he sounds like. This guy sounds like a libertarian, you know, that's tweeting stuff out that he is, you know, uh, interested in health and different types of things, but nothing do I see a pattern of this guy's about to go do something.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Well, you've said something very important. I think you should explain. Your history loads the gun. What's that whole story?

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  Explain that, please?

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where I interviewed this guy who was, is historically,

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  that he was the first person that, in Jim Clement, he was the first person that would interview someone that killed their spouse or somebody like that. And he said, yeah, this guy right here, very interesting story. Now, he was a New York State prosecutor, former FBI profiler.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  He said there were three parts to it, right?

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Genetics loads the gun, personality and psychology aims the gun, but experiences pulls the trigger. I want to know what happened last ninety days. Something happened last ninety days. There's no way in the world. Anybody who's normal can have some thoughts in their minds. Okay, you know how, you ever seen that movie, uh, Horrible Bosses? You know Horrible Bosses where there's a moment where, what's that actor?

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Charlie Day.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Who is working for Kevin Spacey?

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Kevin Spacey.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  And in his mind, he says, I've decided who I'm giving a promotion to.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  I'm giving a promotion to myself and I'm breaking this wall, right? And there's a scene where, what is that guy's name? Charlie Day. Rob, go up a little bit, Rob. Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. Jason Sudeikis. Grabs Kevin Spacey and throws him out the window. And you're thinking that's the move, that's what happened. No, it's in his mind, right? It was a dream, yeah. We all have those types of thoughts on our minds sometimes. PPD, I want to assure you, I never have those thoughts, sir. You're funny, but the point, but the point is while this is happening, look at the complete opposite side of reaction of some people. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  I do believe in the sanctity of life and I think that's why I felt along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like... Serious? I mean... Joy in a man's execution? Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not empathy. Because again, this is a man responsible for... How can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband, he's a father. And he's been gunned down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful? There were tens of thousands of Americans that be murdered. So are tens, so are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  And I, the many millions of Americans that have watched people that I care about suffer and in some cases die because of lack of healthcare. So should they all be killed then? Should they all be killed, these healthcare executives? Would that make you even more joyful? Uh, no, that would not. But why not? Why are you laughing? I think, because, here is, because it doesn't, it wouldn't fix the system. You seem to find the whole thing hilarious. I find your, your question funny. A bloke's been murdered in the street. I don't find it funny at all. I don't find it funny that tens of thousands of Americans die every year and because they are denied life-saving healthcare from people like this CEO. She looks crazy. Now, I want to fix the system. This, you're right, we shouldn't be going around shooting each other with vigilante justice. No.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  I think that it is a good thing that this murder has led to America, really, the media elites and politicians in this country paying attention to this issue for the first time. You mentioned you, you couldn't understand why somebody would feel this reaction when they watched a CEO die. It's because you have not...

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  dealt it sounds like with the American healthcare system in the way that millions of other Americans have.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  I I've dealt with the healthcare system in in various ways in America. I I don't think it's perfect by any means, but the idea that I would view it as something.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  Have you been denied life savings?

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  Hold on, the the idea that I would view it as something joyful, that a man has been, who's just a healthcare executive, has been executed in the street, I find completely bizarre.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Who's this person, Rob? Who is that person?

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  Taylor Lorenz, and did you know, do you know what happened on on John Stewart's show? Rob, you might be able to find this. Jon Stewart mentions this guy, uh, the the killer getting arrested, and the audience started booing. Like, his entire audience was pissed off that this guy's caught and he's arrested. That's the left. That is this ideology. She has joy for a guy getting murdered in the streets of New York. Like, these people, they they can help themselves, and you know what?

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Are you joking? They're celebrating that.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, listen, listen to the audience.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Can you play this, Rob?

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  Listen to the audience.

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  Actually, I I was like, couldn't have been that guy. Uh, today, they did appear to catch that guy today at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Oh, the clap. Boo's.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, guys.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  What are you booing? No, no. There's still, there's some claps. Yeah, three people clapped and a lot of people booed.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Zoom in to see, he's, he apologized, Jon Stewart apologized to his audience. Once they started booing after he says Luigi Maggiore was captured. Some murderer, do not apologize.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Listen, you know what my thing is about? When people reveal who they are, believe them. That's the type of hate that she, that that's disgusting. I can't believe, I still can't believe she kept talking. Like, stop, jump ship.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Have you done something with her or no?

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Like, I've never done, I've never done, I might, I, I was, I think I was supposed to be on that, but I wasn't on the, I wasn't in town.

• 1:08:25Speaker 06

  She meant, she meant what she said the first time.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, she did.

• 1:08:27Speaker 06

  She meant what she said.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  She means it.

• 1:08:28Speaker 06

  And she backpedaled off it.

• 1:08:29Speaker 03

  Believe her.

• 1:08:30Speaker 06

  She meant what she said.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  The joy?

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  The joy, she is.

• 1:08:33Speaker 06

  Does she felt joy that a capitalist over an industry that she has strong negative feelings about, um, died? She feels good about it. She felt joy, she meant what she said, she backpedaled it.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:08:49Speaker 06

  The eyes don't lie. Look at her eyes.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  She got crazy eyes.

• 1:08:51Speaker 06

  Look at her, no, no, no, not that, but look at during that interview, the eyes don't lie.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Rob, go back to that person, the Wikipedia you had. Just get off her picture, yes, because I'm trying to read, there you go. So she's a. Podcaster for Vox. Was. She got fired this morning. You're joking? No, Vox parted ways with her. It was announced overnight. Are you joking? Nope. Okay, good for Vox.

• 1:09:13Speaker 06

  Wapo.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Hosting a show. So she got fired because of what she said on Piers? Correct. Wow.

• 1:09:18Speaker 06

  Good.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Power user and founder of Substack publication UserMax. She was previously columnist at Wapo, a technology reporter at New York Times, Daily Beast Business Insider, social media editor for Daily Mail. She is particularly known for internet culture. Well, that was nothing about internet culture. Good for you, buddy.

• 1:09:35Speaker 06

  Where's her family from?

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  What school she go to? Colorado Boulder?

• 1:09:39Speaker 06

  If I may, go all the way back, go all the way back to her education. Old Greenwich, Connecticut. Very, very liberal. Greenwich High School, liberal. University of Colorado at Boulder. My God.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Liberal.

• 1:09:51Speaker 06

  That is incre- it's a very liberal school up there. Transferred to Hobart and William Smith Colleges. She graduated with a degree in political silence.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Science.

• 1:09:59Speaker 06

  Science, also known as silencing conservatives. She stated that the social media site Tumblr caused her to become internet, internet culture. This is a born and bred hard liberal who is an anti-capitalist. And now she may have good points on a debate level about the state of healthcare in America. Even Piers Morgan was saying, hey, I've got experience with it. It's not perfect by any means. But vigilante, gunning people down in the street and being happy about it. She, she has a very dark heart and she meant what she said.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a job to at CNN or MSNBC. She's probably, she's probably on the panel right now. Get a job right now. Oh, my God. Look her up. We love her. She's a future star. You have hate in your heart. By the way. Welcome to CNN. So you know, you know, all of this, what it takes me to, before we go into the Assad story, is Neil deGrasse Tyson is on Piers Morgan. And they're having this conversation together, right? And then he's trying to explain himself with the transgender, where he's trying to say, what if we have competition that is based on levels of testosterone level? Folks, whether you're a doctor or not watching this, whether you're a scientist or not watching this,

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  whether you went to Ivy League school, maybe you went to, you know, a regular university, college.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  A poison ivy school, whatever thing that you went to school, right? I want you to watch this and tell me if you have common sense, if anything, this man who is celebrated as being an incredible scientist makes any sense. Go ahead, Rob. What I see is, sports is on the frontier of how to handle this frontier of, of, of, uh, people who are trans. It's on the frontier of how to resolve that. And I, I'm making this up now, imagine the future of sports does not distinguish sex, it distinguishes and sorts people by hormone ratios. I'm, I'm making this up, but imagine that if that were the

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  case. That would be interesting. You get a hormone test, you're in this range, and then you compete against other people with the same range of hormones.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  That's ridiculous. Neil, that is ridiculous.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  No, it's not. I'll tell you why it's not ridiculous.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  You're gonna give every single person... Your piece didn't even believe it.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on. I used to wrestle. And wrestling, there are people who weigh, sorry I'm like using pounds here, 125 pounds, right on up to 240 pounds. They don't wrestle each other. The entire sport separates people so that the contest is interesting.

• 1:12:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  And so the people of the same weight wrestle each other, and that is the contest.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  But if Floyd Mayweather...

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's how it will land.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Hang on, Neil. If Floyd Mayweather fought a woman boxer, a female woman boxer, who was the same weight division, he would annihilate her. That's why we don't let it happen. And in fact, in the Paris Olympics, the winner, the winner of one of the women's boxing competitions, one of the females who took her on...

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  That's not what I was talking about.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but my point is, I, I just think that, if you don't mind me saying, I say this respectfully, because I love you, but it just seems to me like you've dug yourself into, you've dug yourself into a slight hole on this issue, and you're trying to get out of it, and now you're suggesting slightly man-capped theories. Whereas, the science to me is obvious. You've already given the best argument I've heard for why we separate...

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  That's not the point.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  For why we separate the sexes.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Hold on, you misquoted me in this very interview. What I said was, the idea of creating categories within a sport, splitting them, in the example I gave, which I just made it up, like hormone ratios, is not fundamentally weird compared to dividing wrestlers by weight.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  No, it is. It is. I'm gonna respond.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  Is to make an interesting contest.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  No, Neil, you're wrong.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  And so you said Floyd Mayweather, fight, hold on, no, no, hold on.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  You're wrong. You're not allowing, you're not allowing for the superior male biology when it comes to lung capacity, stamina, to body mass, to muscle mass, all those things. If you just take one criteria of hormones, you're not allowing all that. I'll give an example. We can pause it right here. I mean, at this point of the game, it's getting crazier and crazier the more you watch it. Tom, thoughts on what Neil's saying here?

• 1:14:19Speaker 06

  Neil, Neil is in, Pierce captured it best. Neil's in a hole. He dug himself into a hole and now he's trying to intellectualize and draw himself out of it by presenting these, you know, well, maybe one solution is we do it by hormones. Neil, we do it by hormones today. It's called male female. And by the way, that's how we catch males that are using, you know, steroids. The hormone ratios are up. It's like Manny Ramirez, spring training, they played 14 games and he was caught. I think it was 09. I think it was 09, where all of a sudden he lights up. And he lights up because there is a female hormone in there, which is a pregnancy recovery hormone that he took.

• 1:15:01Speaker 06

  And it was to, and it was to bring down the excess testosterone. Except he didn't get the 17 days that were necessary because at the end of the 17 days, he would have, what they said, pissed clear. Get it?

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:15:17Speaker 06

  And so at that moment Manny Ramirez could have played in women's professional baseball.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Could have wore a bra if he wanted.

• 1:15:23Speaker 06

  And.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  If he wanted to wear a bra.

• 1:15:26Speaker 06

  Well, that's cross dressing, but my point is.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  It's neither here nor there.

• 1:15:29Speaker 06

  The hormone argument that Neil deGrasse Tyson is making, he's trying to get himself out of a hole. And basically the hole is this, and Pierce pointed out very good. Look, you know, in the Olympics, he didn't let Pierce finish it. I think he knew where Pierce was going. You had a male boxer in the Olympics that was identifying female that they let go in there. And he almost killed somebody, right? Same weight, you know, hormones showed up the same because he was taking the hormones, but it didn't change the fact that for 21 years he had grown into lung capacity, muscle mass and everything else male. And at 128 pounds, whatever his weight class was, he was a beast. And then, oh, nope, I'll take these drugs, I'll get this hormone stuff.

• 1:16:14Speaker 06

  But he's still, what was that skeletal muscle mass that she was facing? A guy.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  It was a dude.

• 1:16:20Speaker 06

  And Neil deGrasse Tyson's trying to dig himself out of a hole. God bless him.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  And I agree with you 100%. It's like, it's like you're, you're the dumbest smart person I've ever met in my life. But my question to you is, what, what would make someone that smart, that educated, say something like, like this, like when we talked about this conversation in the past, about the hill that you want to die on, your conviction? What, is it, is it just for like to be relevant? Cause he's going out, he will not stop talking about this. He just did Bill Maher, he talked about it again. And then he's talking crap about Elon Musk and Mars and how he's, is it just to stay relevant? Because nobody's talking about him and his ties?

• 1:16:53Speaker 06

  Pride and ego?

• 1:16:54Speaker 03

  That's what I was just gonna say that, what do you think?

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think, you know, the, the one thing you have to be very careful with is when you're going through a position, like for example, one of the things why this show does well is we comfortably debate. And we walk away and we're good. And we're like, yeah, you know what? Let's see what happens.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  Nothing leaves this room.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  And it's like, you know what? That was a wrong argument, guys. Yeah, we were right on this one. We got that one wrong. Well, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Huh? Okay, boom, you're kind of going back and forth with it, right? This guy cannot stand the idea of being wrong.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  He cannot stand the idea of being wrong. And he was wrong. Period. So you you know the you know the uh the walking on eggshell community? You ever you know, like a ever had a parent or a coach or somebody that everything was walking on eggshells? Had to be perfect. It's very uncomfortable to be around it, right? Like some fathers are like that. You know, don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's everything, right? There's standards, there's expectation. But then there's walking on eggshells perfection, solving for perfection. And when you try to solve for perfection, it's a miserable place to be because everybody fails. Nobody reaches that. You're going to be wrong at times. And you're going to lose that time.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Anytime I get into a conversation with somebody, you're gonna I'll never forget what Trump said. He said, uh, you know, why would I debate again? Why would I do that again? So let's just say it doesn't work out in my favor. He says, you know, oh, no, he remember that one uh uh thing he did right before he came to us? Which was the Bloomberg thing with that guy, they talk about tariffs?

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  I don't know if you remember that. And he says, yeah, you know what? Before I went, they told me not to do it. He said, because you know, sometimes you lose these debates. And you go and you're like, you know, I'm I'm gonna go, I'm either gonna lose, I'm gonna do this, or I'm gonna do that. He's just kind of openly talking about it, right? Everybody is wrong at times. Everybody. Neil's having a hard time because he thinks he's better than that. And in this position, the more he goes here, the further he's gonna lose credibility and the more unattractive it's gonna be. People are gonna move on. There's plenty of people in the marketplace to follow that Neil deGrasse Tyson. The world doesn't need Neil. Neil needs the world. Like, for example, the world needs Trump. Okay? It's not like Trump also needs the voters. But the world needs somebody like that to go do something.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  The world needs an Elon Musk.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Thousand percent.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  That's willing to put money on the. able to buy X. There is nothing the world needs Neil deGrasse Tyson for. Think about what I just said right there to you. Nothing. What do you need him for?

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Zero.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  No, he went with this, you know, it's like boom, great. What kind, the level of contribution that Trump and other guys? Relax, you're not that important. It's going back to that, you know, Marcus Aurelius with a slave in his ear saying, you're just a man, you're just a man, you're just a man. Neil, you're smart, but you're just a man. It's okay. Let's rebrand and move forward. So you can find a following like Bill Maher had to recreate himself. I think he needs to go through that.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  I'll just be real quick. You know, in finance, they say the worst thing you can do is throw good money after bad. You made a bad investment, cut your losses, move on. But when you lose and you're losing money, like no, I'm gonna try again. Like, have you ever been to Vegas before? And all right, I lost 10 grand. Oh, man, I'm gonna try to win it back. Boom, now you're down 20 grand. Holy crap. And you keep doubling down and you basically keep losing more money. That's exactly what Neil deGrasse Tyson is doing. He's doubling down on this woman is a man, man is a woman, X Y chromosome thing, and nobody's buying it. And Vinny said, um, is this the hill you really want to die on? Yeah. This is it? Yeah.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  You're an astrophysicist, you're smart, you're funny, you're humorous, you make space and space exploration relatable. Yeah. And you're diluting and ruining your brand over wanting women to compete with men in sports? Makes no sense to me. Astro. Do better, Neil deGrasse Tyson. The word ass is an astrophysicist. I don't know where he's going, so.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Let's go to this next story. We got a bunch of stories to go through. So let's go to this next story. Jay-Z denies allegations he sexually assaulted a 13 year old, uh, I was about to say boy, but it's not a boy. It's a 13 year old in 2000 with Sean Diddy Combs. So the story says that, Rob, if you can pull up the. Uh, uh, uh, story with this. Okay. So a lawsuit filed against John D. Combs now alleges if he can find their response because Jay-Z actually responded. There's actually a response and I want to read that for the audience.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  And I think they might have taken it down after. Just get, I, I.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  I have it. I have it anyway. So if you don't have it, I have it. But it should be someone from to respond. So, okay, John D. Combs now includes allegations that Jay-Z, Sean Carter sexually assaulted Jane Doe, who was 13 at the time, at an after-party 2000 Video Music Awards, Doe alleges she felt woozy after consuming a drink, then wandered into a bedroom where Carter raped her first, followed by Combs. Carter called the allegations so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one, and said, whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. The lawsuit claims Carter responded to mediation request with a frivolous lawsuit and accusations of harassment against Doe's

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  legal team. It states Jay-Z responded to said letter, uh, uh, by orchestrating uh, uh, a conspiracy of harassment, bullying, and intimidation against plaintiffs' lawyers, their families, employees, and former associates, in an attempt to silence plaintiff. In his statement to CNN, Carter labeled the mediation effort a blackmail effort, and remarked that those lawyers seem to have a pattern of these types of theatrics. Is this their response, Rob?

• 1:22:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  And is this from him? Because he actually responded.

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  I think that because it says my lawyer received a blackmail attempt. So.

• 1:22:54Tom Ellsworth?

  This is what it's saying, Jay-Z. The internet is saying that this is Jay-Z's response.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Can you zoom in a little bit, Rob? My lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter from a lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had been calculated as the nature of these allegations and public scrutiny would make uh, me want to settle. No, sir, it had the opposite effect and made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in very public fashion. So no, I will not give you one red penny. These allegations are so heinous in nature that I've read that already. These alleged victims would deserve real justice.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  If it were the case, this lawyer, who I have done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern, I have no idea how you come to such a deplorable human, Mr. Busby, I promise you, I have seen your kind many times over, I more than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to be a Marine, Marines are known for their valor, you have neither honor nor dignity, my only heartbreak is for my family, my wife and I will sit our children down, one of whom is at the age where her friends will surely see the press and ask questions about the nature of these claims, by the way, very well written, you think he wrote this here? Yeah. And explain the cruelty and greed of people, I mourn yet another loss of innocence, children should not have to endure such at their young age, it is unfair to have to

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  try to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy families and human spirit, my heart and support goes to true victims who have to watch how their life story is depressed, dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit, you have made a terrible error in judgment, thinking that all celebrities are the same, I'm not from your world, I'm a young man who made it out of the projects of Brooklyn, we don't play these types of games, we have very strict codes and honors, we protect children, you seem to exploit people for personal gain, only your network of conspiracy theorists, physics, will believe this idiotic claim you have leveled, levied

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  against me that if not for the serious surrounding harm to kids would be laughable, Tom.

• 1:24:53Speaker 06

  So, I break this down, and first, it's very subtle, it's very subtle, Vinny, but you can detect Jay-Z indicating, again, you really got to read between the lines, that he's not going to negotiate, right, it's hard to see.

• 1:25:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 06

  But it looks like he's not going to negotiate, but there's a line in here, I love to dissect these things, and first of all, I think this was written by a spokesperson, taking nothing against Jay-Z and his capabilities, but this really appears to be written by a legal publicist, this is the way they write, this is their style, so, one of the things he says is, "I implore you to file criminal, not civil," and when I saw that this morning, I didn't have time before the show, but I wanted to look up the statute of limitations, Pat, and to see whether this is chargeable, I don't know, I actually do not know at this hour, but when I see something like that, I go, oh.

• 1:25:51Speaker 06

  Is this potentially outside the chargeable window? The statute of limitations applies? Because remember what happened two, two summers ago? When they moved the date in New York State, New York City? All those women came out with those Me Too suits? Because they had a deadline date, remember? Otherwise, the statute of limitations was gonna come. That's what I see this. So, this is a standard response from a legal publicist. You know, and that can be the words and tone and opinion of Jay-Z. But I think it was written by a legal publicist into the form that they use. You know, ambulance chaser, you know, cheap suit. All of those are kind of stock words they use.

• 1:26:35Speaker 06

  My question is, has the statute of limitations moved on this? Question one. And question two? With all due respect to Jay-Z, there's an awful lot of pictures of you running around in your undies at parties with Diddy. And so you were at some of these parties. It's not like there's no photographs that America's going in, hey, is that a young Jay-Z running around in his underwear with, with Diddy at a party? Huh. You know, when you see that, it's hard to walk away from that visual.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  And so, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this, but Tony Busby isn't an ambulance chasing. He is probably one of the most successful lawyers in the United States. So, I don't, I don't believe none of that BS. So, some of the, I did some, some digging. So, apparently, he got sued by an unnamed person. He, he won't name the person. And this person had hired private investigators to go through Busby's life, talks to ex-employees, ex-clients, because they wanted to get as much dirt on him as possible. And they basically approached him and said, hey, if you don't back down with suing this random person, I mean, I think we all know who it is, we're gonna expose everything. So, you know what he does? He comes out with the Jay-Z alleging raping a 13-year-old girl.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  And now, again, all allegations, but from what the questioning is with this girl, this 13-year-old- Girl knows everything about this house from the driveway to the paint inside the building. She knows everything and it's like She did? She did. She's saying this in the lawsuit. That's what they're saying allegedly. But at what point, guys, and I get it, all we always hear is rumors. We never have proof. Every time it comes to these children who are the most neglected people in this freaking country. We know it because of the border and the sex trafficking and all that. When are we going to start listening to some of these people that the media and the left consider crazy? Kanye West tried to warn us about Jay-Z. Cat Williams warned us about Jay-Z and Beyonce.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  MIA told us about satanic rituals and I'm telling you from experience and Adam knows this guy too. They do that type of stuff in Hollywood. I know people that have said firsthand, Vinny, it's disgusting. I left, I turned to Christianity and these people are not, they were never Christians. Okay, they turned to it and like MIA, all these people, Jaguar, right? Are any of these people, are we ever going to go, okay, yeah, they're not crazy? Maybe they're right. Maybe they're right. And Diddy, at least he got arrested. But all these people, depending on the lawyer that you have and the money that you have, the wealth that you have, it depends if you're going to get in trouble and not. And then what if this girl? They're probably going to settle out of court anyway. She'll probably get $10 million and he'll never see, he'll never see jail. Ever. And that's the saddest part. So.

• 1:29:17Speaker 00

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• 1:29:48Speaker 06

  As the story goes, it's the year 2000 and it's the Video Music Awards. And at an after party, Jay-Z allegedly

• 1:30:01Speaker 06

  does this to a 13 year old girl. Okay. So I went to year 2000, I saw what were the best songs back then? We're talking Outkast, Miss Jackson, Eminem, The Real Slim Shady, Jay-Z, Big Pimpin'. So you're telling me that after a Video Music Awards that ends at probably midnight.

• 1:30:21Speaker 06

  They get to an after-party, 1, 2 in the morning. Why is a 13-year-old girl even there? Why is she even there? Is nobody asking questions when she's in the room? Who's bringing this person? And then this lawsuit is brought up 24 years later? Out of nowhere? With this Diddy allegations? It smells like a shakedown. It smells like terrorists are trying to get money from Jay-Z. The letter that he wrote was like, "Hell no, I'm denying this. This ain't legit. I'm not negotiating with terrorists. Something tells me this is a complete shakedown. We'll see how the facts shake out. We'll see what happens." But this doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

• 1:31:05Speaker 06

  24 years later, out of nowhere, during the Diddy allegations. "Oh, by the way, Jay-Z too. Smells pretty shady to me."

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  Let me counter the argument, Adam. I've never been sexually assaulted or raped when I was 13. I have no idea what's happening, how fearful you are of these people. The fear, the shock of going through this thing, probably not telling anybody. And then maybe, when you see people starting to come out, yeah, besides the money thing. And I get parents and whatever, and shame on them for even exposing them to that. And I sent Rob a clip of Diddy flirting with a friggin' 13-year-old actress, Devaie Chase, going, "Hey, you going to the after-party?" I don't know what goes on in these traumatized lives, like these lives of these people that have gone through the trauma. Who knows? But if it is true, the sad thing is, it might not ever be held accountable. This is him inviting a 13-year-old girl to the after-party.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  I sent you a longer clip of Robbie at the beginning, but it was at some award show. But play that one, Robbie, just so they can hear.

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  13 years old.

• 1:32:07Speaker 06

  Well, that's dis-.

• 1:32:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  Why would you want to invite a 13 year old to that?

• 1:32:15Speaker 06

  Well, cuz he's a dirtbag. That has nothing to do with Jay-Z.

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 1:32:18Speaker 06

  So why are we looping in Jay-Z?

• 1:32:19Speaker 03

  They all hang out? Hold on.

• 1:32:20Speaker 06

  No, no, no. No, they hang out together.

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Hold on. Have you ever heard, Adam, do you know about the hip hop world? Have you ever heard the rumors about how young, do you know when Jay-Z met Beyonce? 18 years old? I'm not saying anything, but these people.

• 1:32:33Speaker 06

  But when did he marry her?

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  He married her. Yeah, he was 37 years old.

• 1:32:36Speaker 06

  She was 28 when he married her.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  So you don't think he thought she was hot when she was 18 or 16?

• 1:32:41Speaker 06

  I don't know what Jay-Z was thinking.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Adam, birds of a feather flock together, bro. You're acting like these people don't all do the same shit.

• 1:32:46Speaker 06

  You're doing something very dangerous here.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  No, I'm not. No, I'm not.

• 1:32:49Speaker 06

  You're looping in Jay-Z.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  I don't trust any of them. That's my opinion, Adam.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Let me ask you a question. Were Jay-Z and Diddy ever best friends?

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  I wouldn't say best friends, but they were close in New York, for sure. They hung out a lot. It was Bad Boy and it was, yes, they were cool.

• 1:33:06Speaker 06

  They were never set at the same record label.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  The kids long friendship in the spotlight. Is this CNN or who is this, Rob?

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  This is CNN.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Gola Lore. So, the chorus for John DeGonzo, "Do you like it? Do you want it?", which also features Jay-Z asking a prophetic question. "Want to know what it's like to be me." At the time, John DeGonzo was with Sean Carter, both rap producers, businessman, top charts, commander. But there seems to be seemingly no rivalry. Back in 2009, Combs was asked by a reporter if he remembered a photo showing him in a conversation with Carter. Combs explained the moment that he had been captured at his birthday party. Jay-Z had flown in specifically to attend, even though he had limited time. Combs recalled, "People see us as competitors and different icons in a hip hop game, but that was just a moment of two black brothers telling each other how much they appreciate each other."

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Years later, as Combs, yeah, I mean, look, if, if you have guys who have reputations like this, and you stay close. Close to them. I don't know if he had a reputation back then. If you're in it, people know. You know, when someone's doing what they're doing like it's not like you don't know when someone's got a reputation. And what they're up to. It's very simple. The more you hang out with it's gonna hurt you now. If if you if you think about it, when was the time Jay-Z met with Buffett? Can you type in the time Jay-Z met with Warren Buffett? Mates with Warren Buffett. What year was that? Uh, uh, what year was it when they met? Was it 12 years ago, 10 years ago? What's the year when they met? First time when he spoke to him.

• 1:34:37Speaker 06

  2010.

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  Okay, so that's 14 years ago when they met. And when did he distance himself from Diddy? Like if you were to say when he distanced himself, when would you say they distanced themselves? Is it a 2010 thing? Because sometimes here's how life also works. He used to sell, didn't he sell weed in the streets?

• 1:35:00Speaker 06

  Jay-Z's was a drug dealer.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jay-Z sold crack. Okay, so you go from that. To then you make millions. To then you make 10 tens of millions. To then. You're now being approached by some smart people that see that you're gonna be a billionaire and wanna make money with you. Then you're like, dude, I gotta recreate my brand cuz my brand is this. So then a publicist comes in and rebrands you. Then you distance yourself from certain people and get closer to certain people. And then you're like, hey, you can't hang out with this guy with that guy with this guy. But unfortunately, if you did something with this guy and it's following you. This many years later, look, the way I read the letter, here's what the letter uh letter read like. It it read, do you remember Alan Dershowitz?

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  When he was asked about Epstein? He says, I actually want you to investigate it. I actually want you, have you ever seen this exchange? When they're like, you you remember this or no, when it's kinda like.

• 1:35:56Speaker 06

  When he did it with the guy Mohammed uh.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and and then he goes like this, he puts his arms up.

• 1:36:01Speaker 06

  Very, very nervous.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  So he says, I want you to investigate, I actually want you to go out there and investigate him.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  And what happened with Epstein? I want you to do that. Yeah, I want you to go through it. I want you to do your research. Is that a power play? Is that a position you take to kind of show strength? Is that who maybe somebody's giving feedback or is that really who Jay-Z is to say, hey, man? Don't get me involved with names like this. Who knows? Uh, I don't know if, if I even see Jay-Z, myself, Diddy? I think I've never lied. I've never been a fan of Diddy. Never. He just never given me good vibes with his Biggie, whether it's Tupac, any of that. I've never gotten that vibe from Jay-Z ever. That Jay was that kind of a guy. By the way, again, never hung out with him. I've never met him. I've never met him. The only person I've been at a game with was Diddy, not the other one.

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  We're gonna see what's gonna happen. But if this goes through the way he does, could, could a part of this also be the fact that Diddy is going down the crab theory? You ever heard of crab theory? When one crab tries to get out of a, the, the, the, what do you call it? Everybody else pulling back down. Is this kind of like Diddy saying, hey, man? Yo, don't forget that night. You and I know, you know, and I know, don't do this, dog. If you don't back me up and do this, I'm telling everybody. Could this be Diddy's work behind closed doors? I don't know.

• 1:37:25Speaker 06

  I, I just want to add one thing and this is, we gotta be cautious. You know, the whole guilty by association thing. Okay. So just because you're a rapper and you're friends with another rapper, doesn't mean that you did what the other rapper did. So let's use a sports analogy. Tom Brady, greatest quarterback of all time. His tight end was Rob Gronkowski, Grok. Hold on. There was actually two tight ends on that team that won the Super Bowl. One guy was named Aaron Hernandez, absolute scumbag who went to jail for murder. And I think he ended up killing himself. I want to say double murder. That doesn't mean Tom Brady's guilty of anything. That doesn't mean Rob Gronkowski's.

• 1:38:06Speaker 06

  No, what I'm saying is just because Jay-Z's a rapper and friends with Diddy, doesn't mean that he did any of this.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  Humberto just said this. Go ahead and play this. This is 20, 24 years ago. Go ahead.

• 1:38:17Speaker 06

  That ain't 2020.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  That's 2020.

• 1:38:19Speaker 06

  Oh, gotcha.

• 1:38:20Speaker 05

  2016, you know, the game has been elevated.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  You can pause it because it's music.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  Billionaire lunch.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Right next to each other, friends.

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  And this is a billionaire brunch or something like that. But here's my question to you, Adam. Can I ask you one question? Let's just say it's true, okay? This 13-year-old girl is actually telling the truth, okay? Devil's advocate. What's gonna happen to Jay-Z? Because, hold on, before you answer. Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself. Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for 25 years for selling human beings. Not one person, we haven't seen one person go down. So that means we all know that everybody's involved. Cut to Diddy, Diddy's the hip-hop Epstein. Who's gonna go down? Do you think any, no names? I don't think anything's gonna happen. If it is true, and this poor girl was raped by these people at this party, what's gonna happen to the people involved? Be honest with me.

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  But let me put it to you this way.

• 1:39:14Speaker 03

  Nothing.

• 1:39:15Speaker 06

  If anything actually did happen, it's disgusting, it's vile. Everyone should be in jail for life. But if they didn't do it, what then happened?

• 1:39:24Speaker 03

  They should be, they should not.

• 1:39:25Speaker 06

  Are you gonna apologize?

• 1:39:26Speaker 03

  No, no, hold on.

• 1:39:27Speaker 06

  Are they gonna apologize? So it's so easy, we live in a day.

• 1:39:29Speaker 03

  It's the girl.

• 1:39:30Speaker 06

  We live in a times when anything can accuse anybody. Anybody can accuse anybody. And then we get on the airwaves and we're like, he's a scumbag. You have no fucking proof.

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  You're putting words in my, I never accuse him of anything.

• 1:39:40Speaker 06

  It's anyone that just be saying, Diddy, we've seen tons of proof.

• 1:39:44Speaker 03

  But what if Jay-Z is better at covering his tracks, Adam? Some people are better. He's out there. I'm just saying, I didn't accuse anybody of anything. But if it is true, if it is true, they should burn.

• 1:39:55Speaker 06

  I've never, I agree, if it is true, but if there's not, you should retract your statement.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  I didn't say anything, I didn't accuse anybody of anything.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Yesterday, I'm talking to John Gotti Jr. He's on the podcast, we're doing a long interview together. And he's telling me the times that he fought Rico and then his father, the Teflon Don. He'd walk out, first man ever to beat Rico was John Gotti. His father, right? And he comes out, he's like, hey, look at this, you know, and all this other stuff.

• 1:40:23Speaker 06

  But and then the the last hour and a half, it's his defense. Rob, would you say about an hour and a half?

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  That's a good amount, yeah.

• 1:40:31Speaker 06

  He makes a case on why his meeting with the FBI, the feds, the forty minute meeting we had with the, he had with the feds, was not being a rat. That's the case he made. Because he was going after Sammy. And then he says, but my meeting with Fed, so it's kind of like going back and forth. And by the way, this is the case with everybody in that world, the level of pride for Omerta. You, you, you let your, your, my interpretation. You let the Gambino family, the, you know, Banano family, the Colombo family, you let them down, right, Genevieve, you let them down, okay.

• 1:41:07Speaker 06

  But the one story was, when this lawyer figured out a way to use Rico to go after all the guys, and how many got arrested on the same day? Let me tell you though. If, if Diddy goes down, I'll give you guarantee, Vinny. If Diddy goes down and he's alive, you're gonna see a picture of fifty, hundred people going down.

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  Hope so.

• 1:41:32Speaker 06

  If Diddy goes down, a hundred people are going down.

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  And could you?

• 1:41:37Speaker 06

  So you know what the only solution is? They have to Epstein Diddy before any of this stuff leaks.

• 1:41:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Or Maxwell Diddy. That for whatever reason, she's in jail and she's checkmate.

• 1:41:48Speaker 06

  Oh, no way, because they're, because, because Maxwell doesn't have the kind of power Diddy had. Okay. Maxwell doesn't have the kind, no, you're right, but Maxwell doesn't have the kind of money that Diddy has. Maxwell's a woman that wants protection. Diddy's a man that has dirt on everybody. They can't let him live. I'm telling you, they, if let's just say,

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:12Speaker 06

  If let's just say all these stories are right. If let's just say NBA players, political folks, everybody, and then Cash Patel and Trump and those guys just won, let me tell you. The whole hip hop game may be going through a entire set of crisis.

• 1:42:31Speaker 06

  That you've never seen before, if, if he's right.

• 1:42:33Tom Ellsworth?

  And this is also us seeing life play out fully documented. In the old days, the Rat Pack got together and there were rumors that the Rat Pack and the Rat Pack were Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., uh, Peter Lawford, and I think there was one more. Um, anyway, that was the-

• 1:42:53Speaker 06

  Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra.

• 1:42:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Right. And they were alleged, they had alleged gone to-

• 1:43:00Speaker 06

  Joey Bishop.

• 1:43:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Joey Bishop, went to parties and pulled people in there, including Hollywood starlets and bad things happened. It was not a documented era of camera phones. It wasn't where every time you run around a corner, there is documentation. And I appreciate you are innocent until proven guilty. And these are merely allegations that are being made by a third party against Jay-Z. What does not help Jay-Z, and he knows it, is not one picture, but multiple pictures showing you and other witnesses who have said, "Yeah, Jay-Z was at the party." They didn't say, "I saw him in a room do this." But they're saying, "Jay-Z was at that party. I remember this party and this party.

• 1:43:44Tom Ellsworth?

  This was the AMA Awards. This party was NBA All-Star Game." And you're seeing pictures. That doesn't help Jay-Z. And it's a, and it's a warning to people today. Who you hang with and the parties you go to and the infinite life of any documentation at party is a warning to everybody today.

• 1:44:04Speaker 06

  Well, we'll see. All I know is if one goes down, everybody's going down. He ain't gonna sit there and not pull everybody else down with him. There's no question.

• 1:44:13Tom Ellsworth?

  That I agree with.

• 1:44:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. Okay. Next story here. Um, Syrian rebels top of Assad, transforming the Middle East. This is a Reuters story and we've been hearing about this all over the place. You know, Netanyahu hails historic fall of Bashar Assad in Syria credits Israeli attack on Hezbollah Iran. Rob, whichever one of these clips you want to fire off. You know, and stories on Elon Musk's or tax dollars are somehow funding both sides. I mean, these, these are back to back to back stories. If you want to play, uh, let me just read this one here and then we'll go to Netanyahu's clip.

• 1:44:48Speaker 06

  Syrian rebels led by Abu Mohammed Al Ghulani captured Damascus unopposed, ending more than five decades of Assad family rule. Ghulani addressed a crown of Omayyad, mosque, Kramer, new history, my brothers being written in this entire region after this great victory and pledged to build a beacon for the Islamic nation. Thousands celebrated in Damascus chanting freedom and reclaiming public spaces while freed prisoners ran through the streets declaring, "We toppled the regime." The overthrow of Bashar al-Assad disrupted Russian and Iranian influence in the Middle East with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calling it a direct result of blow. Israel dealt to Iran and Hezbollah. Rob, if you have that clip, we can play it.

• 1:45:31Speaker 06

  Assad's location remains unknown with Russian officials confirming he fled Syria. Hezbollah, a key ally, withdrew all remaining forces from Syria and Iranian-backed sites, including in Damascus, were reportedly targeted by Israeli strikes even after Assad's capture. Here's Netanyahu.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  ...the Middle East. The collapse of the Assad regime, the tyranny in Damascus, offers great opportunity but also is fraught with significant dangers. This collapse is a direct result of our forceful action against Hezbollah and Iran, Assad's main supporters. It set off a chain reaction of all those who want to free themselves from this tyranny and its suppression. But it also means we have to take action against possible threats. One of them is the collapse of the Separation of Forces Agreement from 1974 between Israel and Syria. This agreement held for 50 years. Last night it collapsed. The Syrian army abandoned its positions. We gave the Israeli army the order to take

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  over these positions to ensure that no hostile force embeds itself right next to the border of Israel. This is a temporary defensive position until a suitable arrangement is found. Equally, we send a hand of peace to all those beyond our border in Syria, to the Jews, to the Kurds, to the Christians, and to the Muslims who want to live in peace with Israel. We're going to follow events very carefully if we can establish... Neighborly relations and a peaceful relations with the new forces emerging in Syria. That's our desire, but if we do not, we'll do whatever it takes to defend the state of Israel and the border of Israel.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

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• 1:47:42Speaker 00

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• 1:47:53Tom Ellsworth?

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• 1:47:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom?

• 1:48:01Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that's pretty clear. I think what he's talking about, and Adam helped me out here on history, he's talking about the Golan Heights area. The Golan Heights area was effectively a DMZ because Syria attacked Israel from that position and was pushed back. And so Israel, when they pushed people back, they established that land as a military patrol zone. So that was Israel permanently sitting on what used to be part of Syria in the Golan Heights to set that up. And so they're, they're basically saying, hey, we're going to be, if you, if you believe Netanyahu, it says, we're, there's a lot of different, and he's pointing out the complexity. What did he say? There's Druze, there's Christians. Kurds.

• 1:48:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Kurds. And by the way, Muslims that are mostly the agrarian Muslims who are out there, farms and things like that, that really don't want anything to do with the conflict, they just want to live like everybody else is living out there. And, you know, I see positive signs in this, but make no mistake, what he's talking about is we are stepping over into Golan Heights, into what used to be sort of a DMZ, and we're going to maintain a buffer there. That is going to make.

• 1:49:15Speaker 06

  Make a lot of people cringe because now that's they're gonna see that as almost like the permanent Jewish settlements and I think Netanyahu knows that but nonetheless that's what's going on there. So there's so much to unpack here. Unpack it. We try to go very quickly. So Syria is the new powder keg that caused World War One and it's has the potential to be an absolute free for all. So Bibi Netanyahu, let's start with that. He talked about neighborly relations. Look at Israel's neighbor and the issues that are surrounding Israel. I've said this multiple times.

• 1:49:56Speaker 06

  Israel's the nicest house in the worst neighborhood. In their neighborhood, you have Hamas, you have Hezbollah, you have the Syrian terrorists, you got Al Qaeda, you got ISIS, and these are their neighbors. Imagine those are your neighbors. How you would act as they're the only democracy in the Middle East. So he says he wants to establish neighborly relations. This is what's going on all around him. So you know, they said that truth passes through three phases. First, you're ridiculed, then you're violently opposed, then it's accepted as self-evident. Israel is the only stable government in that entire region over there. I'm not talking about the Gulf with Kuwait and UAE and Saudi and Qatar over there. Hello, PBD. So

• 1:50:42Speaker 06

  in 10 days, 10 days, the 50 year rule of the Assad's toppled. Now, where's Assad now? Political asylum in where? Moscow, Russia. Oh, thanks Putin. How do you get so aligned with Putin? Well, do you know the story of the Al Assad regime, PBD? Yeah. What do you know? Tell us. Okay, so his father, who was

• 1:51:05Speaker 06

  the Syrian president, I believe in 1971, I'm gonna give you his name, Hafiz Al Assad. God bless you. His soon power, you know, no problem. He is Alawite. Do you know what Alawite is? So there's the Sunnis and the Shiites, and the Alawites, I guess, are an offshoot of the Shia Muslim. I think they're only 10% of Syria. So the ruling class, the elite class in Syria that is predominantly Sunni, even Shiite as well. So they're sort of like the rich kids who took over. Alawite, you said it was? Alawite, exactly. I thought that was a brand of socks. Alright. Thank you. Alawite is kinda like Bahai. Bahai, exactly. Yes, go for it. So, and they... It's like Mormonism for Christians. Okay, and so he came to power with the Baath Party in 1971.

• 1:51:50Speaker 06

  Centralized power, aligned himself with USSR during the Cold War. So we'll get back to Russia. He was in power from, I believe, 1971 to 2000. In the mid 90s, Bashar al-Assad's brother was supposed to take over. The eldest son, Basil al-Assad, but he unfortunately died in a car accident. So here's this guy Bashar al-Assad, the number two son. You know, the number one son usually assumes power. Do you know what his role was before he became this dictator in Syria? Do you know what he was? He was an eye doctor. He had no political aspirations. He was studying to become an eye doctor. His brother was supposed to be the king and the ruler. Boom, his brother dies, car accident. He assumes power. So he's the president, dictator, 10 years.

• 1:52:34Speaker 06

  In 10 years, 2011, do you remember what happened in the Middle East in 2011? The Arab Spring. All these countries, starting with, I believe, Tunisia, were crying for democracy. So in Egypt, Hosni al-Burak was the president. 30-year run came to an end. Libya, Muammar Gaddafi, boom, he's out. So Yemen, Syria, all these civil wars take place in the Middle East. Hundreds of thousands of people have been dead. In Syria alone, do you know how many people died in the civil war? Half a million. Did you see all the college protests? Yeah. About Syria and Lebanon and Yemen? Zero, zero college protests. Nothing going on. No Jews, no news, anyway. So half a million people dead in Syria?

• 1:53:19Speaker 06

  Zero word whatsoever. Half a million people done in Yemen? Zero word whatsoever. The double standard is palpable, we all know that. So boom, as everything that's taking place over the last year and a half takes place. Russia is fighting Ukraine, they're preoccupied. Israel is fighting Iran, the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, they're all preoccupied. The Iranian axis of resistance has basically met their foe in the form of the IDF. And all of a sudden, when these Sunni rebels say, "Listen, guys, here's our chance. Let's do it. Let's go." They take Aleppo, boom, two days done. They take Homs, boom, done.

• 1:54:03Speaker 06

  They come for Damascus, Damascus. In 10 days, the entire Syrian government dissolved. Bashar al-Assad runs out to Russia. He asks them for help. He asks Iran for help. They said, "Sorry, we have no money, we have no troops. We've basically been disabled by the IDF." He asks Russia for help. They said, "Sorry, we're fighting Ukraine." So, low and hold, all the money that we've been spending, helping our allies, actually helped sort of topple this ridiculous regime. Have you ever seen the video? Have you ever seen any of the videos of what Bashar al-Assad did to his own people? Gassing them, murdering them, lining them up? Syrian Nazis is who Bashar al-Assad is. So, do I have any sympathy for Bashar al-Assad? Zero.

• 1:54:48Speaker 06

  Here's the question. Who are the biggest winners and losers of all this? The biggest loser by far, Loserville, Iran. The Islamic Republic of Iran. They've been funding billions of dollars to these Islamic terrorists all over the Middle East. Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah. They're all finished. They're done. The Syrian regime, Bashar al-Assad, was their number one benefactor. They're done. So, number two loser here, Russia, they've been weakened completely. Who are the winners here? Well, the Syrian people. They have a chance to carve their own path here. If they want democracy, if they want to have a path for an amazing life, here's their chance to take it. Now, will there be Islamists? Will there be jihadists?

• 1:55:32Speaker 06

  Will there be extremists, basically, that try to take over the country? Of course, but the USA. Do you know USA has bombed, I think, 70 different ISIS locations in the last few days? Israel has come in, they already owned the Golan Heights, they came into the highest mountain in the region, I think it's called Mount Hermon in Syria, looking straight down at Damascus. They're basically saying, "Okay ISIS, okay extremists, you wanna go or rain fire down on you." So, this is gonna reshape the Middle East. This is right, this is what this is.

• 1:56:03Speaker 03

  White phosphorus coming out of the sky.

• 1:56:04Speaker 06

  We're gonna see what happens to this. So, here's the biggest challenge, because Elon Musk said the following, he said, "Our tax dollars are somehow funding both sides." Yes, have you ever seen that Spider-Man meme, when they're all just pointing at each other? Good luck. Do you want the devil that you know, or the devil that you don't know? Do you want authoritarians, do you want dictators running a country? Or do you want Islamists and you want jihadists? I don't know, I don't know, I don't trust any of them. But what I do know, is I hope the Syrian people take this opportunity to carve a life that they want, and not dictated by authoritarian.

• 1:56:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Thank you for unpacking that, you're a student of this, can I ask you a question? So, if the US election went the other way, what happens to Bashar? Does he get help or not get help? Because right now, with Trump, I could see how the Russians are like, "Yeah, you can, you wanna get an apartment here, maybe you can get an apartment here, but we're not gonna jump in and help you militarily."

• 1:57:01Speaker 06

  I don't know, I don't know what would happen, but what I do know is this, the man who is the head of the HTS is what they're called, Abu Mohammed Al-Jawani, he was a former ISIS Al Qaeda member, and he has basically come out, and America said he's saying all the right things. He did an interview, I think, with CNN.

• 1:57:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, CNN.

• 1:57:24Speaker 06

  He said the following, "We do not seek to be America's enemy, we do not have extremist ideology. Minorities are welcome, if you're Christian, or if you're Alawite, you can celebrate Christmas, we'll see if that happens."

• 1:57:38Speaker 03

  I just saw them, they were, I just saw them executing Christians on video.

• 1:57:41Speaker 06

  Exactly, so, we'll see if that happens. What is encouraging, I would hope, is he's more of an advocate of Syrian nationalism than pan-national jihadism, so, in other words, he's trying to make-

• 1:57:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Syria Syria great again we'll see what they do.

• 1:57:58Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, CNN interviewed that guy Julani. He's fighting the Assad regime. They make him look like he's a cool guy, just like with Soleimani. They said he's a freedom fighter. He's a moderate. He has a $10 million bounty on his head by us. And now, all of a sudden, we're praising his ass. He's wanted for a bunch of massacres. But we'll talk about that later. My problem is, in the past seven days, Biden has pledged to give another billion dollars to rebuild Africa, another billion dollars, another billion while Ukraine, while everything is happening. And now he wants to help rebuild Syria, Tom, with god knows how much money. Meanwhile, you guys remember that little hurricane that hit North Carolina? Those, I'm seeing videos every day. They're homeless, they're suffering, and they're freaking dying in the streets.

• 1:58:41Speaker 03

  Okay, but let's not forget how this whole Syria situation happened. Do you guys remember a little CIA covert operation called Timber Sycamore? Where Obama and Brennan sent the freaking CIA in there to overtake Assad? And guess what? They failed. And they left all the weapons there. And what happened, Tom? ISIS is formed, and all these people are formed. And some people would say arming the enemy is treason. I mean, if you want to just say that. But I just think, when it comes to that, man, we have experience, because we're Middle Eastern. Like Saddam Hussein, as much as he was an evil murdering piece of scum, and so were his kids, they needed him. Like, it's weird to say. I know my cousin's married to an Iraqi woman. She was crying, and she's like, Vinnie, everything was okay. He knew how to keep everybody at bay.

• 1:59:26Speaker 03

  Saddam Hussein, they took him out, and look what the hell happened. Look what happened when you took that guy out. And this is a direct result of it. Now they took out Assad. I don't know, man. And look, you're already seeing Christians getting freaking crucified. We're gonna be screwed. The Christians there are gonna get effed over. Okay?

• 1:59:43Speaker 06

  These are Christians, by the way, there, Rob, if you want to play this clip.

• 1:59:46Speaker 03

  There you go. That's what you get for loving Jesus Christ. Yeah. And they love this regime, right? The United States is like, yeah, he's better than Assad. Yeah.

• 1:59:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I guess what's gonna happen to these guys after that video, so, I don't know.

• 2:00:02Speaker 06

  You know what I wanna say? I don't wanna hear shit about bashing Israel anymore. Who's America's ally in the region? For sure, Israel. Who else? You trust Syria? You trust Lebanon?

• 2:00:13Speaker 03

  Jordan.

• 2:00:14Speaker 06

  You trust the Palestinians? You trust Jordan? I don't know. We have a base there. You trust Afghanistan? You trust Saudi? Maybe? I don't know. They're part of 9/11. I'm not saying Israel is some innocent bystander that's never done anything wrong, but enough's enough here. Israel is the only country in the Middle East that is stable, that can basically help US, our vested interests, our best interests aligned, and we trust Israel.

• 2:00:40Speaker 03

  But you know that Netanyahu today, their leader, isn't, he's going on trial today for the fraud, breach, and trust, for accepting bribes and stuff. He's actually-

• 2:00:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, so is Trump, buddy.

• 2:00:49Speaker 03

  He's testifying today.

• 2:00:50Speaker 06

  So is Trump, buddy. Enough's enough.

• 2:00:51Speaker 03

  I don't, why are you getting mad? I'm just saying-

• 2:00:52Speaker 06

  I'm just saying.

• 2:00:53Speaker 03

  Jeez, relax. I'm just saying, all this is happening, the guy's actually going on trial, because he was supposed to go on trial October 7th. He's finally going on trial today. What? Why are you getting mad at me? I just wanna make a point.

• 2:01:04Speaker 06

  He is the Trump of Israel. So if you wanna criticize, Netanyahu criticize Trump.

• 2:01:09Speaker 03

  Okay. I wouldn't put him in the same category.

• 2:01:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Alright, so meanwhile, Assad, Snowden, and Assange are all looking for a fourth so they can play bridge.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  That's basically that. Exactly.

• 2:01:18Speaker 06

  Alright, let's do the last story before we wrap up. Rob, if you wanna go there, because my voice is getting very-

• 2:01:22Speaker 03

  You stop. Can I ask you?

• 2:01:23Speaker 06

  That's very gangster, but then bedroom- Where is she? Rob, play the clip with Ana Navarro and Whoopi Goldberg having a friendly exchange over whether it's time to panic about Trump. I love this. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:01:39Speaker 05

  He does this to keep you all in a panic. He does it to make you all do this and talk about him, and it's so terrible, but-

• 2:01:51Speaker 05

  All we have to do from now until January 21st is be with our families, be with our kids-

• 2:02:01Speaker 07

  Do our jobs, make sure our checks don't bounce. Make sure that we are taking care of ourselves and our families. Whatever he's going to do, he's going to do, but do take our word for it. Things seem to move slowly because yeah, they didn't come get Hillary. But he has other people who are ready to go. But I don't think that they can just go out and do what they want.

• 2:02:26Speaker 04

  I told you last week I disagree with you when you say that. Because, no, because we have the luxury of saying that. Because we're legal, we are successful, we are... But if you're an illegal immigrant in this country, you're not going to be not in a panic. If you are a woman working for the Department of Defense, you have a right to be in a panic.

• 2:02:46Speaker 07

  You tell people to stay fraught and like this.

• 2:02:51Speaker 04

  No, I'm telling people to prepare, Whoopi. I'm telling people to...

• 2:02:54Speaker 07

  Do you think they're not prepared? They are prepared.

• 2:02:56Speaker 04

  So that means, that means that they can be relaxing and enjoying...

• 2:03:00Speaker 07

  No, it doesn't mean that.

• 2:03:01Speaker 04

  When winter is coming.

• 2:03:03Speaker 07

  You know what? Winter's here!

• 2:03:04Speaker 04

  I mean, I disagree.

• 2:03:05Speaker 07

  Babe, winter is here. Winter's been with us. And my point is, we can lay down and do nothing for the next 15 days and then be freaking out for the next four or two years.

• 2:03:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, but my point to you is, we are in a privileged position that a lot of people who are going to be under heavy attack are not.

• 2:03:23Speaker 07

  I have a family who is going through the same thing.

• 2:03:24Speaker 04

  I want to hear that, because I'm not panicking. Like, we just have to...

• 2:03:26Speaker 07

  We got it, we have to...

• 2:03:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I hate that whole...

• 2:03:30Speaker 07

  We don't know what we're panicking for. They're throwing 50,000 things at you to make you do this. I'm saying, don't buy into that.

• 2:03:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Which one is quiet?

• 2:03:38Speaker 07

  Do what you have to do.

• 2:03:41Tom Ellsworth?

  You know why?

• 2:03:42Speaker 03

  Eating their own, eating their own, I love it.

• 2:03:44Speaker 07

  And when we know what...

• 2:03:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Why is that one girl quiet? Because she doesn't want to read a legal statement tomorrow.

• 2:03:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 2:03:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Because she's the one they make look in the camera and read the legal statement.

• 2:03:55Speaker 06

  You're actually right, Sonny Hostin was pretty quiet.

• 2:03:57Speaker 03

  Quiet, not a...

• 2:03:58Speaker 06

  I'm sick and tired of these lawyers coming telling me what to say. I'm done with this.

• 2:04:01Speaker 03

  And do you see the mentality? Whoopi's like, guys, it's gonna, whatever's gonna happen was gonna happen. And then Navarro is like, yeah, but what about people that are illegally in this country? They're gonna panic, as they should. You broke the law by coming into our freaking country. And she goes, especially if they're in the DOJ. What, illegals are working in the DOJ? This, I watched this, this is what I, you know, people have those sleep machines? Where they hear like, white noise and they, I was watching that this was making me happy. And I fell asleep to these idiots eating their own. I love this.

• 2:04:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, we're successful. How dare you call yourself successful. You haven't built a business, you haven't built jobs, you haven't sweating, putting people, you know, and getting paychecks for people. You're not successful. You're well-paid celebrity. There's a difference, chick.

• 2:04:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you want to talk about division, division? These are the ones that cause the division that we were talking about at the beginning of the show. It's that, it shows like this. This is what, and I wish one day the camera would.

• 2:04:55Speaker 06

  I'm gonna tell you, after Tom's comment, I feel like I'm in some Chick-fil-A.

• 2:04:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:04:59Speaker 06

  Go ahead, go ahead, Adam. No, just say one thing. I've never watched one episode of The View.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  Nobody has.

• 2:05:03Speaker 06

  I don't know what they talk, never want, only.

• 2:05:06Speaker 03

  Adam.

• 2:05:07Speaker 06

  At your desk. At your desk. I just learned that Vinnie falls asleep to watching The View.

• 2:05:12Speaker 03

  I love it. Well, this, I love watching this.

• 2:05:14Speaker 06

  Unbelievable.

• 2:05:15Tom Ellsworth?

  They're gonna use it for a Clockwork Orange remake.

• 2:05:17Speaker 06

  All right, gang, it's been great spending time with you. Quick shout out to the crew in the back. There was no issues, beginning to the end. We start with a shout out, we finish with a shout out. And I think the Gotti interview goes out tomorrow, Rob, if I'm not mistaken.

• 2:05:31Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 2:05:32Speaker 06

  And then do we have home to me again Thursday?

• 2:05:33Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 2:05:34Speaker 06

  Gang, we will see you guys on Thursday. God bless. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.