Share & Call the President & Tell with Brace Belden and Liz Franczak

The hosts of TrueAnon and Pablo Torre obtain Trump’s personal cell number and debate what to ask him. Plus: “FreddyLA7,” Nicholas Adamopoulos, special presidential envoys, America 250, Woke 2, Tom Brady vs. Logan Paul, Zohran Mamdani vs. The Internet, Lori Lightfoot vs. The Fridge... and whether you should autograph a bomb. • Subscribe to "TrueAnon" https://pod.link/1474001390 • Previously on PTFO: Six Degrees of Jeffrey Epstein, with the the Experts of TrueAnon https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/Njk0MDkwNmY3ZTIxZDE5ZmYyZTk5NjJh Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  You guys have some of the nastiest strip clubs that have ever existed.

• 0:11Pablo Torre?

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• 0:15Speaker 02

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• 0:48Pablo Torre?

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• 1:55Pablo Torre?

  Do you have Donald Trump's number?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I got his number.

• 2:01Pablo Torre?

  There was a news cycle where it was like, some people have Donald Trump's number. And then I realized Brace is one of those people.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I called him. He picked up. I didn't record it for the show, and I really, I actually let a friend do it because it was his birthday. And, uh, and he picked up, it was like 11 o'clock at night. We actually weren't that far from here. And, uh, and my friend sort of panicked. And he was like, uh, hello? And it was Trump. And he's like, and it was kind of like, it was a little bit sexy, the way he answered. Like, he answered, and there was like a, like a beat, and then he was like, hello? And he was like, who is this? After another beat. And my friend, in a panic, did, she said he was Netanyahu, and he was on ketamine in Bushwick, and he needed a ride home. I would've played it a little bit differently, but, you know.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  You gotta play it as the British reporter. Play it straight, and then see if you can get him to answer some questions.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is true.

• 2:57Pablo Torre?

  Can we, can we call the president?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can try calling him, let's see if he picks up.

• 3:03Pablo Torre?

  Wait, can we just strategize really quickly? So if he picks up, we're gonna go?

• 3:06Speaker 03

  I think you should take it.

• 3:08Pablo Torre?

  Oh, no, that's a lot of pressure.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  What the [bleep]? You're a real reporter.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Because I feel like you can do like, you can do like, serious voice really well. Whereas like, listen to his voice, you can't.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  I sound, that, this is the problem.

• 3:19Pablo Torre?

  Point proven.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  No, I, because I try to, I frequently try to fib to people in unfamiliar environments, and I have to talk to people. I do try to present myself a little more professionally. And that doesn't work because I feel like I look unprofessional, like genetically. And my voice is quite unprofessional, and my cadence, I feel like, is. And so, I, I feel like Trump would, would note that too quickly.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Plus, and I sound like a Muppet, so it's just not gonna, no one's gonna take it seriously.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  We could ask him to comment on...

• 3:53Pablo Torre?

  So, I'm just gonna interrupt both of my honored guests today, Brace Belden and Liz Franchak, because they both deserve to be taken quite seriously. Especially since we are welcoming them both back on a very special day for their podcast, which they co-host, and which I love, called TruAnon.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  It actually is our exact, to this day, seven-year anniversary. That's why I said that.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  It is.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, seven-year itch, starting now.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. I'm thinking of maybe starting a sports podcast of my own. No, we're a sports show. We deal with sports and topics.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  But it's investigative sports. It's a little different. So we do things a little different.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. The only difference is, as we like to say, is that we're, we're white. And so, we do it a little bit differently.

• 4:39Pablo Torre?

  Brace and Liz do not call themselves journalists, as they alluded to before, as we figure out today, what to ask the president. What they are, instead, are the people I count on to both research and explain America's insanely online era of foreign and domestic policy. An era shaped fundamentally by strange festivals, as you'll see, as well as this endlessly revolving door of arcane figures who seem too ridiculous to go mainstream, but then inevitably do. You are curious, it turns out, about things that I am also curious about, and things

• 5:22Pablo Torre?

  that people are gonna have to realize might directly affect them. And Jeffrey Epstein was, of course, the thing we first talked about when you were here the last time.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  The email release was like, it was such a big story for like, a month, and then it got superseded by so many other insane things that happened, that it feels like it happened like, three or four years ago. You know what I mean? Like, it's, there's been like, four versions of the Iran War since then.

• 5:46Pablo Torre?

  Which brings us to last Friday night, at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Because as LeBron James was busy becoming a Philadelphia 76'er, the man in charge of all of these wars recalled how his aides, at one point, simply stopped telling him when reporters were calling, possibly in an effort to just get him to stop talking to them.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  And say, Caroline, did the press call? No, sir, no calls. I said, nothing. It's over a week, I haven't received a call. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna give the press my phone number. That was the stupidest thing I ever did. I'm getting a call every 3.7 minutes.

• 6:26Pablo Torre?

  Like, the one from Brace Belden's friend. And soon, relatedly, me.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  I do like to speak to the press, but now I have the best system I've ever had. It rings, and just so you understand, you're much better putting your name. Because if there's no name, I just, I just can't do that. You know, I pick up every once in a while. Hello, I'm from Reno, Nevada, we're a startup paper. We're calling it the Reno Express. I said, do you believe I'm the President of the United States? Mister President, could I have your views on Iran? And I just hang up.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  I have a question, actually, before we call the president.

• 7:06Pablo Torre?

  Okay.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  What do you make of Trump's comments about the soccer match?

• 7:12Pablo Torre?

  To get the red card revoked.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Not just that, although I did appreciate that he seemed to think through his own, he was like, I know Trump is like, you know, master bullshitter, but also, it did seem like he genuinely felt like it was a bad call.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  And that wasn't a foul? That wasn't even an infraction? There was two guys running full speed that happened to crash into each other. You can't take your foot and properly place it on somebody else's foot when you're going, no. These were two great athletes that got tangled up.

• 7:45Pablo Torre?

  Do you wanna debate Donald Trump about the red card?

• 7:48Speaker 03

  No, no. My point is, like, I think the call could've gone either way. I mean, it's like FIFA refs, you know, what are you gonna do? But, I think getting it revoked was crazy.

• 7:57Pablo Torre?

  I think it was very funny that the independent part of FIFA that had to review this, and that was very above board, turned out to be one guy. It turned out to be a decision, according to reporting, by one guy from the UAE.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  Chairman Mohammed Al Kamali of the United Arab Emirates. The committee was neither informed nor consulted. The UAE is a top-tier relation to the Trump family's business, interest, and government relationships.

• 8:30Pablo Torre?

  And I was like, okay, that feels maybe like it wasn't.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  That's an awesome guy to have, dude.

• 8:34Pablo Torre?

  Wasn't super democratic.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  That's one of the most impartial countries in the world, man. The UAE, it's a bunch of different Emirates all together. They have, it's like a democracy, I mean, they don't have like, a democracy per se, but it is like, a sort of group of Emirates, which just functionally is like, the same thing as a city council. You know? But Dubai is the mayor, obviously.

• 8:53Pablo Torre?

  Part of why I'm realizing this is very difficult, given that you have the actual phone number for the United States President, is that there is, in this very conversation, toggling between, we do maybe have the opportunity to ask something real, but also, this is entirely ridiculous.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Well, the problem with Trump, like, saying, getting Trump to say something real, is that, like, Trump vacillates between saying something like, real sounding, or just completely insane sounding. And basically, no matter, like, it doesn't matter who's talking, he'll just say whatever. And so, he might be like, yeah, we're gonna have 50,000 troops in the Middle East, or whatever, and that'll be a headline.

• 9:29Pablo Torre?

  Break news.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  For a day. But like, then he won't do it, or he'll do it, and it'll have said something completely different. So it's like, you know, there's a certain limit to asking him questions, but I think it's, it's always good to get a little soundbite.

• 9:43Pablo Torre?

  So this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna do an episode here, I think, and we can, while talking to each other and having a good time, have in the back of our minds, what should we ask the president at the very end, when we call him? And if he picks up, how are we gonna handle that as responsible citizens and, in my case...

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Content creators.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  And if he doesn't pick up, we can call Polly Shore. I have Polly Shore's number, too.

• 10:06Pablo Torre?

  Do you really?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:29Pablo Torre?

  I want to put this in the context of Brace's journey to America 250.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  I went to DC. And I'm gonna be honest, it wasn't on 4th of July.

• 10:41Pablo Torre?

  When did you go?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  A few days before. Because I didn't go for the 4th of July celebrations. I went for a 4th of July celebration, which was the fair.

• 10:49Speaker 06

  Thousands are descending on the National Mall for the first weekend of the Great American State Fair. Exhibits for all 50 states and six territories on full display to celebrate America's 250th birthday next week.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  And everybody knows, same thing with going to a Renaissance fair to look at all the freaky little elves. Same thing with going to a [BLEEP] any kind of thing that a lot of people go to. Don't go on the weekend. You want to go on a weekday because there's less people, more big turkey legs.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  I went with a friend of mine, Bobby. And we get there and it is the worst piece of [BLEEP] I've ever seen in my life. It's on the [BLEEP] White House Mall.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  It was like a billion degrees out, too.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  It was 101 degrees. It was 101 degrees.

• 11:28Pablo Torre?

  And Brace, Liz, for people who aren't familiar, Brace does adventures like this. He goes to weird places. He goes to maggot things. He goes-

• 11:36Speaker 03

  He loves to go on safari.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  I'm conservative.

• 11:38Pablo Torre?

  And as an experience, as an amusement park, you are, you are leaving a negative Yelp review.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  At the America 250 fair, there was a row of pavilions that every state was represented and probably every territory. But I didn't make it to all of them because it was a little too hot. I would say about half of the state's booths that I visited, there was no things in there. I'm going to Illinois, right? What does Illinois have? Hot dogs.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Pizza?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I actually kind of like Chicago pizza, but a lot of people don't, so I understand why they wouldn't go. What does Illinois have?

• 12:20Pablo Torre?

  The Bears.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  The Bears, Super Bowl Shuffle. You expect the fridge to be there. That's the one football player I grew up knowing about. I couldn't believe how big this guy. You expect the fridge to be there? Or one of these guys or there's someone's doing the Super Bowl Shuffle or something?

• 12:35Speaker 03

  Lori Lightfoot.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Lori Lightfoot, they're one of the shortest women in history.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  You could have had Lori Lightfoot and a fridge.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Can you imagine on a-

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Big and tiny. That's a classic combo.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Master Blaster from Mad Max 2.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  There's a lot that they could have done here.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Anything, anything. Have anything from your state there. And so you'd expect to go into these booths in every state being like, look, our state is awesome. But like, you know, you'd think like, oh, Georgia, we got peaches and, you know, we got, we got a different kind of gay guy. And like, you'd have that [BLEEP] in there. But you go in there, and Georgia especially, I literally was like, this is gonna be awesome. People in Georgia love to have fun. Every, there was nothing. There was no things from that state. In Georgia, there was just cardboard with ChatGPT with that like cartoon style. All the text with ChatGPT of just like Georgia's agricultural industry. We don't care. We don't care.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  Show me the peaches.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Show me the peaches. Show me, what? You guys have some of the nastiest strip clubs that have ever existed. Bring some of them up here.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  This is-

• 13:40Speaker 03

  They could have done Magic City.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  This is what I'm saying. They could, you can smoke in there. You should let it, you could probably smoke in, this is practically outside.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Can you imagine if you had Lori Lightfoot at Magic City at the [BLEEP] America 250?

• 13:51Speaker 01

  The fridge, the fridge?

• 13:53Speaker 03

  What are we, what are we doing? What was the California one?

• 13:55Speaker 01

  The California one was [BLEEP] dog [BLEEP]. I don't even remember what was, I, I-

• 14:00Speaker 03

  You gotta get Gavin on the horn.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  No, Gavin wouldn't come near that with a 10-foot pole. Too busy coming up with a new accent.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  What happened to the friendship?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I know. Well, I go to the New York one. I'm like, New York, many say greatest, greatest city. And then not so many people say that about the state, but some people say it's an okay state in the world. I went in there, New York State is not represented, is a tourist company that it was just like having you do QR codes so that you could sign up for their [BLEEP] newsletter. It sucked. Every single booth that I went into that was supposed to represent every state in this wonderful tapestry we call the Blanket of America. I was disappointed. There was not a single good thing.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  There wasn't a single good one?

• 14:37Speaker 01

  There was not, not-

• 14:38Speaker 03

  What was the best, worst one?

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Samoa.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Really?

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:43Pablo Torre?

  They got a booth.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  They got a booth.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  That's nice.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Territory, oh, American Samoa.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 14:48Pablo Torre?

  Nonetheless, wasn't sure that they would get the invite. Glad to hear it.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  And there was actually a fair amount of Samoans there. And I was like, huh, that's cool. Probably not so hot for you guys, huh? But it is for me. To set the scene, if you go to a fair, the best thing about the fair is seeing the beautiful animals, the biggest-

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Camel.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Camel, yeah. Oh, my God.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  There's always a camel. And sometimes a zebra.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  But there's like, they have like animals, the fattest cow in this, in this state, the biggest egg or whatever. And there's rides, you know? There's some cars. There was none of that. There was not a single animal besides the most dangerous animal of all, which is man, which there was not that many of that there either. But there was not a single animal there. There wasn't any actual agriculture there. There was just like $18 hot dogs. It wasn't like state food. I mean, imagine how great that would be. Most states' food is pretty lousy.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  I feel like this was such an easy layup and they totally whiffed it.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  There was three rides, Liz.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  There were rides?

• 15:46Speaker 01

  There weren't rides. They were exhibits. They were all by defense manufacturers.

• 15:51Pablo Torre?

  Like a Raytheon Tilt-A-Whirl?

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a Raytheon, there was a, no, it was a Raytheon tunnel that you walked in. And I was like, these guys have bajillion dollars. They're gonna make an awesome ride.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  They could have done something cool even with that. Like, imagine if you had a like ride where you could get on a drone? And then you went like, and it was like one of the like, like swirly, whirlly things? But you could like sit on a drone? That was like the seat that you were on? Like, that would have been so cool.

• 16:17Pablo Torre?

  A missile autographing station where you could put your name on a bomb?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  When did politicians start doing that? They always do it now. And I'm gonna tell you, no matter what the conflict, that's not gonna look good in like 30 years. That's gonna end up in like a textbook or something. So like, don't, if you are a senator watching this and they're like, you're on the junket to anywhere, don't sign the bomb.

• 16:38Pablo Torre?

  What about, though, the celebrities?

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Milli Vanilli was supposed to be there. Cancelled. There's only one of them left. Canceled. The only person that performed was Flo Rida.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  They had Janine Pirro was like at the, at the [BLEEP].

• 16:55Speaker 03

  A star.

• 16:56Pablo Torre?

  I mean, she's the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  But I mean, she's like a star.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  She's got some, you know, star power.

• 17:02Pablo Torre?

  Agent screen.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, she is. I mean, because she was a fake judge on TV.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  It takes some like-

• 17:08Speaker 03

  She was like a real fake judge and a fake real judge.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. She was there, she was like doing a mounted patrol to make sure that no one was scraping the, uh, the [BLEEP].

• 17:17Pablo Torre?

  Reflecting pool?

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Reflecting pool.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  I went into, I went into the Capitol, but they were on recess. And I did go to John Fetterman's.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  You know, it's the closest one gets to see the scene Bigfoot or like some other kind of like-

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Talk about the fridge.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I know. Oh, my God. Those two collabing?

• 17:35Pablo Torre?

  I want an oil painting of that.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, I'd, I'm, I'm probably do some sort of sexual AI image at home when I make this. But, but he wasn't there. I don't know where he was, at the therapist's office. So I didn't really see any celebs when I was there. It was actually a pretty big disappointment.

• 17:51Pablo Torre?

  I feel like the whole point, though, is there are all these characters. And when there are these big events that are advertised, whether it's America 250 and the accompanying UFC thing, which I'm so crestfallen to report, we were denied credentials too.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  We were?

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:07Pablo Torre?

  I texted Brace while you were bringing life into the world. I was like, hey, would you ever have interest in covering the UFC fight?

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:16Pablo Torre?

  And he responded immediately enthusiastically and we were denied credentials.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 18:22Pablo Torre?

  But I guess my point is-

• 18:23Speaker 03

  What just happened to this country?

• 18:24Pablo Torre?

  I know. I actually would have loved to, to cover it.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Because you, you're pretty good friends with Connor.

• 18:32Pablo Torre?

  McGregor?

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:33Pablo Torre?

  Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  I go way back.

• 18:37Pablo Torre?

  I have his number. We're gonna call that later.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Of course, of course.

• 18:48Pablo Torre?

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• 20:29Pablo Torre?

  But I guess what I'm saying is they're all, all these events have been marketed and sold in such a way that I associate these Trump world characters with them. And for instance, most recently with this World Cup thing.

• 20:45Pablo Torre?

  Are you guys familiar first with like the character of Freddie?

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  They turned that boy out.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  What? Out into the country.

• 20:54Pablo Torre?

  Freddie L A seven.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  He was a total phenom. My mom was a big fan. She was like, look at this, look at all this content.

• 21:02Pablo Torre?

  Look at, look at this sweet anonymous German character who has emerged on Twitter to tell all of America how great we are.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Look at, he loves Pizza Hut.

• 21:11Pablo Torre?

  Correct.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  He was kind of like, who was that Nazi fellow who flew to England to surrender? Quite early?

• 21:19Speaker 01

  A little like that. Went to another country, tell them you're so great. Taken to the Capitol.

• 21:25Pablo Torre?

  Rudolph Hess.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Rudolph Hess, Mr. Hess. So he was, he was like a young, young boy?

• 21:30Pablo Torre?

  We don't, we don't know. I mean, his face has been obscured this entire time, but one of the things he was given was this tour of the White House and of the Washington Monument and of the interior of our government.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  They let him get in the reflecting pool. They let old Freddie in.

• 21:46Pablo Torre?

  Thanks to this character, Nick Adams. And Nick Adams is familiar to you guys because of course he's one of these figures that emerged online. And once again, you are left to decide. Is this satire or is this the most genuine thing we've ever seen? But his title, I should just clarify, I had to write it down, is Special Presidential Envoy for American Tourism.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  That's so awesome.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  And excellence, isn't it? Isn't there something that's like, and excellence?

• 22:18Pablo Torre?

  Oh, sorry, sorry. Special Presidential Envoy for American Tourism, exceptionalism and values.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  He should draw a triple salary.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  That is great. That is three jobs.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  Mr. President, it is the honor of a lifetime to serve as your special presidential envoy for American tourism, exceptionalism and values. The United States is a nation that since its inception was destined for greatness. And the story of American greatness is the most captivating, exciting and inspiring in the history of the world.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Exceptionalism and values you're doing? Damn.

• 22:59Pablo Torre?

  But Liz, for people who don't.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Talk about inflation.

• 23:01Pablo Torre?

  Who've never seen any of these words in this combination before, or Nick Adams himself, how would you describe what his general sort of deal is?

• 23:09Speaker 03

  I feel for him because he's a content creator at heart. And so that makes him one of our colleagues. And we should get that, you know, let's put that at the, you know, right at the front. So we can only be so critical because we're all in the industry and that's how that all works.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  I am not sure exactly how much of his fingerprint is on all this stuff. But it does feel like more and more of a concerted campaign.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Especially because as like, I feel like you and many other people have covered the, it's funny, like after, you know, we're what, a week out now from the World Cup?

• 23:51Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  I was reading someone say like, oh, for all of the criticism, it all went off like without a hitch, you know, it was all great. Everyone, you know, it wasn't so, we did it and it wasn't so bad. There was no chaos. And it's like, well, actually, if you read the foreign press, it was a bit different for everyone. And I know that because like, you know, my husband's Brazilian and so he's like reading everybody and all the commentary from that. And for international journalists that were covering the games, they were shocked at the kind of way they were treated by the Americans. Everything from DHS all the way through what they were able to kind of like access with the players and the teams and so on and so forth.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  And so you compare that to then how well I think the Americans domestically controlled how the games were covered. And you gotta say, maybe our boy is actually doing a good job.

• 24:48Pablo Torre?

  Well, what Freddie got as this special invite to Washington DC was an American style lunch. A bone in tomahawk ribeye from robust American cattle from the heartland, comma, golden Maha approved beef tallow fries, comma, crisp onion rings. And hearty bone in chicken wings, M dash, all paired with the coldest domestic beer our capital has to offer, end quote. And Nick Adams, the figure here, we should point out that he himself is an American citizen as of 2021.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Hard fight.

• 25:23Pablo Torre?

  He originally is from where, race?

• 25:26Speaker 01

  He's from Australia, which is, a lot of people don't know what Australia is. It's like a worse England out there. And for some reason it's near like China. Well, not that near China, but it's in that part of the.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  Closer to China than England is.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  They have a whole world, word rather for where it is, Antipodean.

• 25:42Pablo Torre?

  What?

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I don't actually really know what Antipodean means. It's just something that people say when they're describing something that's Australia. Yeah.

• 25:50Pablo Torre?

  Belonging to the area diametrically opposite oneself on the earth and a colloquial term for residents of Australasia.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Australasia.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  So he's Australasia. And he, he was a precocious young man who became a city councillor. And then his kind of big thing was they wanted to kill the pigeons. And, you know,

• 26:12Speaker 01

  I'd like to hear him out on that, but he didn't, I don't think governed very effectively. And then transitioned to being a motivational speaker because he got cancer when he was four. And let me tell you, you had cancer when you're four, you don't remember that. I'm sorry. You don't remember that. You weren't really there. Your parents did most of it. I'm, I know that you were there.

• 26:33Pablo Torre?

  Pretty conscious.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  We don't really start forming memories until we're about five or six, mercifully. And I gotta be honest, if you're four, it's sad when a four year old has cancer. I'm not denying that. But when they're older, they'll be like, I had cancer that day, you know? Nick, by the way, real name, Nick, I think it's Atomopolis, which is crazy.

• 26:56Pablo Torre?

  Nicholas Atomopolis, born in 1984.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Is he Greek?

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a large Greek community in Australia. It's for some reason.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Nicholas Atomopolis.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Nicholas Atomopolis.

• 27:06Pablo Torre?

  Put that man on a boat with Odysseus.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Nicholas Atomopolis, Nicholas Atomopolis, Nicholas, but I worked for Greeks.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  I didn't say it five times. But, but he, he became a motivational speaker, which I think is one of the most awesome jobs you can ever get. And there's video of him doing, I watched one yesterday of him just like in like a [BLEEP] Red Robin or whatever, like a, some kind of like luncheon thing. And he was just talking about his cancer. I'm like, well, it wasn't really like.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Do you think that he had to go into like, deep into analysis to like access those memories?

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Like repressed memories?

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  You know what's crazy is I had memories of getting my tonsils taken out, but my parents were like, no, you didn't, that was your [BLEEP], it was your brother.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  They gaslit you?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  They gaslit me and guess what? My tonsils are out. That, those were real memories. And that was like, I was like three or four when that happened. So I guess I gotta give him some credit there. But he became a motivational speaker and like vaguely tried to be a manosphere kind of guy, but he's like not like enough of a player.

• 28:01Pablo Torre?

  How would you describe him visually?

• 28:03Speaker 03

  That's such a great question. I think he kind of, he's got a little bit of thumb face.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Cause it's got, he's long in the face, a little bit.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's not a handsome man in the traditional sense. I mean, that's fine. He sort of does look like a piece of wet meat, like, you know, like a.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Like a baloney? He's a little baloney-ish.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  I would say something thicker, well, like pre sliced baloney. Yeah. Like if you, or if you poured like water on like a,

• 28:30Speaker 01

  like a dollar store steak.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? He looks like a wet dollar store steak. And I don't think that's a bad thing.

• 28:36Pablo Torre?

  Oh, the only reason I ask you guys to do the exercise for those who are just listening and not watching is because he had styled himself over time into the paragon of what it is to be an alpha male.

• 28:48Speaker 05

  Hooters is a wonderful family establishment. And I for one am absolutely sick and tired of it being defamed, derided, traduced and mocked. Used as a tool to stop men being men, used as a tool to stop there being alpha males.

• 29:15Pablo Torre?

  In our society. And has written numerous books. The book about his quest for immigration is called Green Card Warrior, colon, "My Quest for Legal Immigration in an Illegals' System", which Donald Trump has since called a, quote, "must read." Also, he wrote a book called Alpha Kings.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:35Pablo Torre?

  I first encountered him in my Twitter feed. He posted about his butcher, and one of the lines he wrote is, quote, "I love watching Mario handle my meat."

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Well, that's pretty alpha king of him.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Pause.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Well.

• 29:49Pablo Torre?

  And about golf, quote, "A foursome with the boys will be the most fun you will ever have in your entire life."

• 29:54Speaker 01

  So I, I, I do like sports. I follow this thing called Outkick. And, uh, Clay Travis, I believe the guy's name is.

• 30:01Pablo Torre?

  Our, our good friend and colleague.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy to be named, it's been like, being named Clay, it's cra- it's like being named, no disrespect to anyone out there, it's like being named Dirt or Mud. You know, it is kind of like being named Mud.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Or Sand.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Or Sand. Yeah, that's actually kinda, that's like a sexy, mysterious woman.

• 30:18Pablo Torre?

  Consider that.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Um, but, uh, I watched him on an Outkick Alpha Male Podcast that was released two years ago, very HD. And he's basically just talking to a quite overweight gentleman who is presenting himself as Alpha. And he was like, "I, I would have, if I still got tattoos," something happened, "if I still got tattoos, I would get a tattoo that says Toxic Male on me." And they were both sort of like agreeing with that.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  I would get a toxic mask, yes.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  What body part would you get it on?

• 30:45Speaker 06

  Uh, well, everyone needs to see it, so probably my forehead. I feel like it needs to be maybe a nice toxic down on the side, maybe take the beard off a little bit. Because it goes back to the same thing. Being a, quote, "man," an American man, or, or the American way of life man, seems to be so threatening.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  But I think there's a lot of people who sort of outsource their social media strategy to like, you say the most outrageous things, whatever, like funny things. You get attention, then people like sign up for your [BLEEP].

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Very gay things.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:16Pablo Torre?

  So, so, but, but this was where it was confusing to me. I was like, oh, I think this is a bit. But you get to a world in which the guy who said, "We gotta get all the pigeons out of Australia", is the special presidential envoy for American tourism and exceptionalism and whatever. And he has a video in which he is calling for what, brace?

• 31:42Speaker 01

  He is calling to eat pigeons. You know, pigeon is eaten in many parts of the world, and I think you can eat anything. But he does have a video of him in Egypt, which also, by the way, being the Minister for Tourism or whatever, what a gig, right? Because you just go, you just visit other countries. And he's eating pigeon. Beautiful. Absolutely nice. Very great texture. Tastes a lot like chicken. So I'm currently looking for more meat. Because I've just had mostly rice so far and a bit of skin. It doesn't look particularly good, no disrespect to anybody, all love. But making a reference to his own history, and he says, "I love pigeons." It's weird because there is a bird in Australia that does attack people. I've been attacked by a bird in Australia.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Magpies, I believe they're called. They're quite vicious. People will have to put googly eyes in their bicycle helmets to scare them off. They're, they're really vicious creatures. But he, he goes and he eats pigeon, and it's like, well, what, who is this for? You know what I mean?

• 32:41Pablo Torre?

  Apparently it is for the highest levels of the federal government.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  He was gonna be made ambassador.

• 32:48Pablo Torre?

  Right. So it's important to point out that he got the title of Special Presidential Envoy, which is a thing that the president can do without any congressional, senatorial approval. He can just give these titles out. Here's the headline, "Pro-Trump Influencer Nick Adams Dropped as U.S. Ambassador to Malaysia." "Adams' Alpha Male Posturing and Pro-Israel Comments Set Off Alarms in Malaysia, A Muslim Majority Country", where sympathy for the Palestinian cause is widespread.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:15Pablo Torre?

  Bit of a miscalculation when you spell it all out, I guess.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd think they could just find one guy that they'd be like, well, maybe not Nick Adams. But maybe Malaysia is like, it was a reward. Because oftentimes ambassadorships are rewards, like big donors or friends of the president. And I'm like, that's kind of like a crazy job for someone like Nick Adams. I think that's when most-

• 33:35Speaker 03

  But can't you see like everyone in, like, in the administration, they're probably like, ah, give them Malaysia. Who cares about Malaysia? Like, not knowing anything?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Or like, this will be so funny if we give Nick Adams Malaysia. We're gonna troll everybody or whatever. And it's like, this would really trigger people.

• 33:49Pablo Torre?

  By the way, you know who the U.S. Special Envoy to the United Kingdom is?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Who?

• 33:54Pablo Torre?

  Mark Burnett.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  The Survivor producer?

• 33:57Pablo Torre?

  The man who produced The Apprentice and Survivor.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  They're like, this guy loves islands?

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Why do I know that?

• 34:02Pablo Torre?

  And also the guy who Donald Trump clearly has decided to give some sort of reward to as the guy who made him perhaps a television star.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  That's what we're gonna ask Trump. We gotta talk about rewards for the little people.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Well, what does he think of Survivor now?

• 34:17Pablo Torre?

  Hmm.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Because it's a little, it's a bit woke, no?

• 34:21Pablo Torre?

  I mean, Survivor just did season 50.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  What is this? Were we on the Ringer Podcast Network? We can't talk about this.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  It's not that, I gotta be honest. You're winning Survivor season 50, I'm not impressed. They should make people survive in the city, in an urban environment. You should have to move here with just a dollar and a dream in your pocket. Live in a little [BLEEP] studio apartment, work at a blank street coffee.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say, you gotta be a barista.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  This is new Survivor.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Maybe a little bit of OnlyFans on the side.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  You live in Bushwick, bitch.

• 34:53Pablo Torre?

  I feel like the president is gonna really dig that idea.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that they should do that.

• 35:05Pablo Torre?

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• 37:34Pablo Torre?

  One of the things, though, you've raised is this fundamental question of, is this administration aware of the bit? Are they, in their attempt to troll themselves, perhaps being trolled in ways that they don't calculate? Or is this entirely something that they're in control of? Like, where are we on the sincerity meter with this administration?

• 38:01Speaker 03

  I do think a lot of them are very, very aware. Everything is very, I think, every act seems very conscious of itself as an act. Whether that is this kind of like jokey, is it gay, is it not, kind of influencer stuff? Or if it's like more brazen, like insider trading [BLEEP] that is happening. You know, like-

• 38:24Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  I, I think that's all very, very much, we're here, we know we're here. You know that we know what we're doing here. And it's all, you know, it's all very much aware of itself, I think. Which means it's a little scarier.

• 38:39Pablo Torre?

  My question then, maybe even more than like for the administration, is, do you think that Nick Adams himself knows whether this is sincere or not?

• 38:48Speaker 03

  I'm not sure it matters, to be honest. At a certain point, the final output is like the only thing that matters, you know? I think that like, as we, you know, get further and further into this journey that is everyone kind of being educated on social media.

• 39:07Pablo Torre?

  Yes, that's what this whole episode is, by the way.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  But just like thinking about this moving forward, like, I think it's only, you're, like, no matter who is in power, whatever party or whatever, like, everyone is gonna get so much, is gonna be just naturally so much more online as like, you know, people in the government as we move forward. Everyone who wants like younger and younger people in office. You know, for some good reasons, for some who cares reasons, in my opinion. There are all gonna be more and more influencers. The only way out of this is through. There, there's nobody outside of this anymore, especially in the government, which means that like, as online millennials and then later Gen Z,

• 39:51Speaker 03

  people get in public-facing government roles more and more and more.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  They're going to be influencer theater kids. And that is going to change the shape of our politics. And we're only at the like, very early point of that with the Trump administration, I'd say. Trump admin, they are so extremely online.

• 40:12Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  But it can only get more online, unfortunately.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  One of the more popular politicians on the left, which would be Zohar Mhamdani, Mayor of New York City. I mean, so much of that popularity resembles the popularity of an influencer, right? Like, people love watching this guy's short form videos.

• 40:30Pablo Torre?

  He is constantly making content and he is very good at it.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. There was a, there was a lot of writing about, right after he won, and so the surprise upset, about how like Democrats now need to adopt this model. But I think everybody knows that to some extent. It's just some people got the juice and some people don't.

• 40:48Pablo Torre?

  Totally.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  You know?

• 40:50Pablo Torre?

  I'm just glad that all of these people who are variably competent at content creation are now also being able to access information that can be monetized.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  Wait, I have a question because now I want to bring this just quickly to some sports stuff. Because I think everyone, I think, most people really dislike the kind of like player podcast stuff, which is just like gonna become more and more and more natural. I mean, some of it's fine, I guess.

• 41:19Pablo Torre?

  But the point being that like-

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Michael Porter Jr.'s online footprint.

• 41:23Pablo Torre?

  All, all roads lead back to Michael Porter Jr. But no, there's been this, yeah, this surge, for those who are not familiar, in like podcasts being hosted not by humble content creators-

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:35Pablo Torre?

  -who were born this way, but athletes who decided that this is not slumming it, but actually-

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Like, we are the media.

• 41:41Pablo Torre?

  The goal-

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:42Pablo Torre?

  Is to, in, in the case of Tom Brady, the most divorced man on Earth-

• 41:46Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, looking rough there.

• 41:48Pablo Torre?

  Oh my God, but just like, making content with Logan Paul.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 41:53Pablo Torre?

  Like fake slapping each other.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Why did Tom Brady slap me? Did you see that, bro?

• 41:58Pablo Torre?

  Was that the football thing, play football thing?

• 41:59Speaker 01

  It was as a result of it. He was pissed at him. And we, dude, listen, we see Tom all the time now, well, not since the football, since the game. But this dude always wants smoke. Like, he is, he's, dude, angry guy. He's an angry guy.

• 42:13Pablo Torre?

  Um, in the case of, by the way, the aforementioned LeBron James and his agent.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I want to talk about that.

• 42:19Pablo Torre?

  They have, they all have podcasts. And the goal is in fact to never go away. It's to never retire. It's to become more visible by creating content forever.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  But this is what I'm gonna say is that like, imagine now, Congress, more and more, they're all gonna have podcasts and content that they have to like do themselves too, right?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  The Gavin Newsom Show.

• 42:42Pablo Torre?

  Michael Cohen's multiple shows in which he-

• 42:46Speaker 03

  Even more and more and more and more.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  You know, but like Katie Miller's [bleep] podcast, where she just interviews like her husband's friends or whatever.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  But when they're all millennials, it's gonna be so different.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  We're gonna have a president with a podcast within the next two terms.

• 42:59Pablo Torre?

  Just ran down my spine that we've only begun to see this. I think we have to call the president.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Let's call the president.

• 43:09Pablo Torre?

  Are we gonna ask him if he's gonna start podcasting?

• 43:11Speaker 01

  I can just do speaker, do you want the number?

• 43:13Pablo Torre?

  Let's do speaker.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Do I call him from my phone?

• 43:17Pablo Torre?

  He's picked up your phone before. Do you think he's blocked it for that reason?

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Do you think Donald Trump knows how to block a phone number? Could you imagine? He dictates his truths. That's a good point.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  He's not gonna pick up.

• 43:31Pablo Torre?

  Well, give me that number and we'll bleep it out as you tell me and I'll enter it into my phone.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  561.

• 43:36Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Why you gotta bleep it out?

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the president. It's public property.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Four, no, no, not four.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Really?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  No way.

• 43:47Pablo Torre?

  That's crazy.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  That's a custom number.

• 43:49Pablo Torre?

  That's a custom, that's a vanity license plate.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  That's a custom.

• 43:52Pablo Torre?

  That's a vanity license plate number. Entering Donald Trump-

• 43:55Speaker 01

  I can't believe you don't have this.

• 43:56Pablo Torre?

  I know. Believe me, I was embarrassed to know that so many people did and I didn't. But now he's on my phone. We're gonna call up-

• 44:02Speaker 03

  I can't believe he just has a phone that you can call.

• 44:04Pablo Torre?

  It's ridiculous.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  It doesn't seem right.

• 44:06Pablo Torre?

  Um, so I gotta-

• 44:07Speaker 03

  I guess that's democracy, huh?

• 44:24Pablo Torre?

  I do have a 917. I wonder-

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Please leave your name, number, and a message after the tone.

• 44:31Pablo Torre?

  Hey, Mr. President, this is Pablo Torre, the host of Pablo Torre Finds Out. We are taping a live and episode with Brace Belden and Liz Franchak from TruAnon. And we wanted to ask, uh, Mr. President, if he has an opinion on [bleep].

• 44:51Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.

• 44:57Pablo Torre?

  And I'll talk to you next time.

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