Corvette ZR1X Record; 1-of-1 Ferrari Found; WHAT is that Car?

The Corvette ZR1X set a record and punches above its weight class; Matt Farah talks us through the newly-published 2026 Performance Car of the Year verdict; Zack Klapman found a very special Ferrari that defies logic; how are Fiskers driving around; the weirdest KIA we've ever seen; and Patreon questions include: Allied cars vs Axis cars Oddest special versions of normal cars 718 GTS or 1st gen Boxster Spider? Business advice we'd give our younger selves Should I finance a project car? BMW X5 40i vs Lexus GX550 Weird race car liveries we'd want Why do we still measure things in horsepower? The 2027 Nissan Z Nismo Should I bring a really slow car on a driving rally? Is ESC keeping everyone alive? And more! Recorded January 15, 2026 SHOW NOTES Truewerk Get 15% off your first order at https://www. TRUEWERK.com with code: TIRE. Athletic Greens For a limited time only, get a FREE AG1 duffel bag and FREE AG1 Welcome Kit with your first subscription order! Only while supplies last. That’s https://www. DRINKAG1. COM/TIRE DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Smalls Make 2026 your cat’s healthiest year yet. Take advantage of their New Year’s Special and get 60% off your first order, plus free shipping, when you head to Smalls.com/TIRE! New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode, as always, is brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record so much. And over the holidays, I got three more emails of people whose backsides were saved by Off the Record. I love when you get that text message after you sign up for Off the Record. You send them your information, you tell them what happened, when you got a ticket, you send them a copy of the ticket. You don't hear from them for a while, but my favorite thing is when you get that text message just out of nowhere.

• 0:31Matt Farah?

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• 1:13Matt Farah?

  All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, it's Performance Car of the Year. They have revealed it over at Road and Track, and so I break down my selections a little bit. GM has just run an eight-second quarter mile in their ZR1X. I had a little palate cleanse this morning in my own 718 Spider, and Zach found a one-of-one, special, coach-built Ferrari right in his own neighborhood. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Hi, everybody, this is the Smoking Tire Podcast. You know what I did today? I did, you know, usually it's like you go to work and then you have some leisure. Did it the other way around today. Leisure in the morning, work the literally entire rest of the day until like 8:00 PM.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  And, uh, but leisure morning was nice. Drove my own car for the first time in forever. Which car? Spider. Okay. Man, it was annoyed at me for like 15 minutes. The clutch, the clutch is, uh, when the clutch isn't warm, it's unhappy. It's very chattery when it's cold, because it's a racy clutch. Once it's warm, it's fine, but like sucks when it's, it was very unhappy because it's like, hadn't driven it for like five weeks. It's like a deep cold, you know? And I met up with Evan Funky, our new, our new friend, Chef, watches the Netflix Chef's Table on him.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  It's crazy. He's got a GT3 wing car, manual, that he took the wing off, which is pretty cool.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Very cool.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  It's a pretty cool thing. It's got, it's like a flip, it's not the duck tail thing like on that Carrera that we tested. It's not like an aftermarket duck tail, but like if you look at a GT3, it has the little flip tail on the engine, the mini one, and then the big, you know, swan neck guy. So if you take off the swan neck, there's a, you know, like a gap filler kit, basically, that just sort of like blacks out where the, where the wing would go. You got a photo? And, and so, we went into the rear, the motherfucking rear, not the touring. Ah, there we go. So there, you see, so it has the flip tail engine cover.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  Which does not go up and down, notably, right? And then you have the, the swan neck wing. So it deletes the wing, but it leaves, which is a cool look. At first I thought it was like a lightly modded touring.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  Turns out other way.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  This is a cool way, his method is good. I was behind a car once, it was a GT3RS that they'd taken off the big wing. That looks strange because you still had all the other shark fins, but this, you basically just make your own little touring design.

• 3:57Matt Farah?

  I think, I don't know if Seinfeld, Seinfeld certainly publicly did it when he took the wing off his, his 2RS. I think, yeah, 2RS, no wing. But now, for some reason, Canapa, whenever he gets one, because I get the emails, they always take the wings off and show them no wing.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Well, Dan and one of our Patreon members said that Canapa is selling a kit that deletes that wing.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  So maybe that's partly an ad.

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  I mean, well, maybe, but he, they, he was a, he was, they, all the ones they do have no wang, which I think is a cool look. It's a, it's a, it's a look. But Evan, you know, because if you've got an actual touring, it has a power wing like a Carrera does, right? But this one just is a fixed wing like this. So Evan said it like over like 120, it can be a little like hairy.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  It doesn't move. It doesn't go up and down. It's fixed.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:55Matt Farah?

  So he's like, it's not, you know, it's not great for going really fast. He's like, but I really like how it looks.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  It does look cool. And if you know that you're not going that fast ever, then I guess it's all right.

• 5:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And he said he can't see with the wing there and he's been dailying this car.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  So like, you know, I would like to see. I like seeing every time. When I drive cars that have wings that block my own vision, I am annoyed.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes it tough.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  And aftermarket companies make like different height like stanchions. So in a lot of cases, you can raise the wings. And you don't, you can't really tell. Sharky makes a kit for the GT4. The GT4 was a real... Cayman GT4 is a huge offender in the wing blocks your own vision.

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  So they make a taller upright. It's only like a little bit taller. It's like, you know, two inches taller or something. But it's enough that it, you could see.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  You can see. Yeah, that's important.

• 5:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They're... Well, let's assume there are no negatives about having that wing two inches higher. Like, I'm not entirely sure how the wing interacts with the lower element.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  In a way that it might be designed for track use, whatever. But like, it doesn't really look different and it, and you can see. Seeing is good.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. Sharky, I guess they probably haven't done, I don't want to assume, on their page, there's nothing that mentions CFD or anything like that. It just says it raises it to perfect proportions and it's made of aluminum.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I don't, I'm not, I'm making no accusations about this.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm not accusing nor supporting. I hope it works well and I hope it just improves downforce and all that stuff. I'm saying like, it would be, it would be cool if you can like, I don't know, send some sort of... Like, send the measurements to a company that's gonna be based in wherever, and they can run it through like CFD program and just tell you how it works.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  After the show, I can ask Batim if using these riser kits negatively affects your aerodynamics.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool.

• 6:59Matt Farah?

  I suspect it doesn't.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Well, because the old RSR cars ran really tall wings, like the 70s. Those things were like taller than the roof of the car.

• 7:07Matt Farah?

  But they were different shaped.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  And they had a different shape. Like, it's not, I'm not, the height, I'm sure like in general, taller's better. I don't know, but like, I think, I think how the elements interact with each other is crucially important.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  David Tuig, let us know. I know you're listening.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  There's, I mean, yeah. I'm like, I think, see, I need to just be smart enough to have that kind of consideration. I don't need to be smart enough to do the math on the other end.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  That's where we need to be in life, right? Moral compass, and then we let the engineers spin it up, right?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Let the experts decide.

• 7:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  As long as they've actually gone to school for something.

• 7:48Matt Farah?

  But after like, after about 200 miles, pink car, very happy. Now, pink car, very happy. But dude, you know what I did? We did? I connected, for the first time, not like in humanity, and for me, I connected, I did one drive where I connected the north loop to the center loop.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Of which mountain?

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  So I started at the south end of San Francisco Canyon Road, local knowledge incoming. Pull up a map, just in case. San Francisco Canyon Road, we went north, all the way to the end, came back around Spunky Canyon to Bouquet Canyon, and then went across Solidad Canyon to the east.

• 8:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, so look a little further south of that. So we went on both sides of the 14 highway. So we started, there's San Francisco, kind of ran the entire run of that north to the reservoir on the right. Oh. Then we did Spunky Canyon. Yeah, we drove into the town of Green Valley, which is there. Spunky Canyon, and then came back south on Bouquet Canyon, which is that long windy bit there. Okay, we crossed over on Vasquez Canyon, which is going east there. We then went north to Sleepy Valley on Sierra Highway and came down across to Acton.

• 9:17Matt Farah?

  And then, oh, no, sorry, sorry. We went south to Aguadulce and ran along the road that's the south side of the 14. Like that, Aguadulce Canyon Road, all the way down along there to the east, and then came back up. Solidad Canyon Road, excellent road. Nice. And then came back up Angeles Forest from the north. Oh, over here. Yeah, and then we went all the way to there and came down. Wow. What time did you start this morning? So we met at the beginning, it was 7:30, and we were down at the base of Angeles Crest at 9:55. Wow, that's good time considering he doesn't have a wing. Yeah.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  No, we were going, we were not going crazy pace, but when you take, when you go, when you do the loop that I did in the exact order I did it, you're going opposite commuter traffic the entire way. Oh, perfect. So we were having that kind of good time where there's like so many cars on the road going the other way and just nobody going our way. It was quite lovely. The real question is, did you bring this person to Ardennes in Castaic? We did not have a meal. We did not have a meal. We had coffee. We did not have a meal. He's, you know, he does, he said he doesn't eat pasta in America. That's his rule on pasta. He doesn't eat pasta. Does he eat it at his place? I think he probably has to at a very minimum, but like he, but no.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Is that just because it's so terrible here compared? Or it's like?

• 10:47Matt Farah?

  No, I think otherwise he'd probably just eat too much pasta.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, okay.

• 10:51Matt Farah?

  But also maybe that.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  That's a good rule.

• 10:53Matt Farah?

  I'm sure there's somewhere in America, but yeah, it's a good, I think it is a good.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  I think it's a good rule.

• 10:58Matt Farah?

  Um, it's like, we don't drive like shitty, like, I don't drive shitty cars. Like, why would I, like, why would I drive, you know, I don't want to use a specific example, but like, why would I drive that like terrible little two liter crossover? Like, yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you can drive, uh, fun things. My dad would not eat pork unless he was skiing. And it was just a way for him to not eat.

• 11:17Matt Farah?

  Unless he was skiing?

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it was like.

• 11:19Matt Farah?

  Those are two really unrelated.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  They are, but it was just a way for him to like, avoid eating this certain food.

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Most of the year.

• 11:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  You know, don't eat pasta when you're in the United States.

• 11:30Matt Farah?

  I should clarify, if it's because no US pasta meets his standard, or if it's just like his method of not only eating pork while skiing. Yeah. I don't have one of those. My, my nutritionist, and I've slipped a bit on it unfortunately, and I haven't really suffered for it, which is funny, but, um, uh, is if you're gonna have the bad thing, you know, it's only have the, the best, best version of.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 11:59Matt Farah?

  The bad thing. During the holidays, I slipped when it came to like baked goods. Because of, of course, of course, you're gonna have like a little bit of grocery store pie.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Well, someone sent Sarah, I think her work did like eight cookies from this amazing bakery that's located in a different state. And they were incredible. So we ate like one every two days. They were like, they were like six pound cookies.

• 12:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  So that was, that was eating the terrible thing, but the best version of it.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  That's nice, but in the holidays, I didn't do that. In the holidays, I also ate the like, not the worst. I didn't eat the good, like the garbage garbage, no. But it was like, there's usually, I was really usually good about the best. This time, I banged the savvies.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Seven's pretty good. Seven's a passing grade.

• 12:44Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you, yeah, if you're, yeah, it is. But not in terms of, not in terms of my nutrition.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Well, it's tough if someone, for me, like if someone makes it from scratch.

• 12:52Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  And, and it's a good cookie, like, that's amazing. But if it's like, I guess Chips Ahoy is the resin hit. You know, that's, something like that.

• 13:01Matt Farah?

  Chips Ahoy, no.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  It tastes like cardboard.

• 13:03Matt Farah?

  Talk about an easily avoidable snack.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's the delta. It's like, there's the fancy cookies, and then there's the worst.

• 13:09Matt Farah?

  I'll go the fucking rest of my life having zero Chips Ahoy and feel like, alright about that. You know what I wish I could do? I wish there was a package of Oreos that you could get that had one of every type of Oreo in it. Just one of each one.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  So you could try the whole thing.

• 13:28Matt Farah?

  Like one of those fancy boxes of cookies, but it's all the Oreos. Fucking patent that.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  They should do that. They should do it on the holidays. Advent Oreo calendar.

• 13:36Matt Farah?

  Do you know how often I am in the grocery store, walking down the fucking aisle, and I see there's some new crazy-ass Oreo? And I go, I, I, my choice is to buy a pack of 64 of these and, you know, throw 63 away. I need a little, like, Oreo app sampler. It would be amazing, wouldn't it? Do they have it already? They probably have it already. It's not like I've been searching for this kinda shit, but...

• 14:04Speaker 01

  They kind of do.

• 14:06Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Well, I, I mean, I said, too, Advent calendar.

• 14:10Matt Farah?

  It is an Advent calendar, yeah.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  By Milka? What is that?

• 14:13Matt Farah?

  Milka.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Maybe this is only available outside of the United States. I don't know, um... It has the most popular biscuits of the Oreo chocolate variations from the Milka range.

• 14:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. What does that mean? Oh. Yeah.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  That seems like a Swedish version.

• 14:31Matt Farah?

  Alright, I think we're in the right direction, but that's not the right thing. The one I want is just production-level Oreos, one of each type. That would be amazing. Be cool as fuck. Anyway, cars. They put the performance car of the year video and story up today. Road and Track put that up. Folks, gotta take a quick break because support is coming in hot from Delete Me. You know everything about Delete Me now because I've been talking about Delete Me for like at least a year. It's easier than ever to get people's personal information online. You can buy people's personal information online and people will sell you people's personal information online. You know what? I think that stinks.

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  off your first order at truewerk.com code tire. That's T-R-U-E-W-E-R-K.com code tire. And now, back to the show. So Performance Car of the Year's up. The photos look really nice. Of course, Greg Pejo killing it. And Huck was there. Armin was there. Love it. Good shooters. That's a great shot. A lot of light painting happening in that one. Wow. Armin did so much light painting for this shot. Armin shot these? I didn't know that. No, Greg Pejo shot this, but Armin physically painted light. Running around with lights. Cool.

• 18:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was very, it's very cool. And if you have questions, if you're on the live stream or whatever, we can definitely do questions about it. I guess it's, they revealed the fucking winner, right? Obviously.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, right. You're the winner. Yeah, so the ZR1 is the winner.

• 19:04Matt Farah?

  Shocking, not shocking, maybe, you know? The ZR1 is just fucking nuts.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 19:09Matt Farah?

  It's insane.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:10Matt Farah?

  It's insane. And we saw it's good timing because ZR1X just posted an eight second quarter mile, which is really wild. I'm a little like less excited about the ZR1X than I am about the regular ZR1. Not because I'm a downer on hybridization at all, but because I just know that GM's focus when it comes to hybridization and Corvettes is really drag racing and getting off the line. Like, that's kind of what the E-Ray is for. You know, the E-Ray and the Z06 are really almost the same price. They overlap by quite a bit. And like, they were straight up, like, the E-Ray is for drag racing and road tripping, and the Z06 is for this. And same thing with ZR1 and ZR1X.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:55Matt Farah?

  I, in my opinion, I haven't, this is not driving it yet, but the fucking thing did an eight second. I think it's optimized maybe for that, but.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Well, the regular one aligns more with the style of driving you like to do.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  You know, we don't have many or any drag strips here anymore, right? Pomona's gone. We don't drag race, there are no strips, and we don't really road trip in the winter.

• 20:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, a car that can run an eight, that's such a fast car. That's like, that's rimax, like, numbers. Like, with, you know, what is claimed to be, you know, half the horsepower? Or no, two thirds, two thirds the horsepower of what a Niverra has.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  But it's also, I mean, the Niverra is electricity, just electricity. And we all know that that is like, well, it seemed like for a long time, last 15 years, the way to get down a road quickest is electricity. It's instant power, basically the speed of light. And now you have this cool, I think what's impressive about this is the handoff that's happening from the electric motors to the gas-powered engine and just maintaining that kind of pace. That's incredible.

• 20:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, at least in the E-Ray, and as far as I know, the ZR1X system operates essentially the same as the E-Rays. It's upgraded, but when you're... It's really just like getting you through that initial either bog, or turbo lag, or burnout. You know what I mean? It's just making you go forward at a time when a traditional, the gas engine can do it.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  It's the feat for the bobsled team, right? It kind of gets you out of the hole, and gravity takes over.

• 21:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it really, it gives you that initial bite really, really well, and with excellent traction management at the front.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  So according to GM, it was a prep surface, it ran an 8.675 at 159, it was on pump gas, standard equipment tires, the 060 time was 1.68 on that same run.

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  That's nuts.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  That is so crazy. 1.75 Gs of acceleration force off the line.

• 22:03Matt Farah?

  That's... What tires was it? Did it say what tires?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Um, standard equipment tires.

• 22:08Matt Farah?

  Wow. They might, I mean, they're gonna sell this thing with like a fucking, this is gonna be a...

• 22:14Speaker 01

  It was on PS4s, PS4S tires.

• 22:16Matt Farah?

  No way!

• 22:17Speaker 01

  It says, GM's official news page.

• 22:20Matt Farah?

  PS4S tires?

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Car was equipped with standard Aero, standard Michelin PS4S tires, and the available carbon fiber wheels.

• 22:28Matt Farah?

  Wow. Dude, that's gotta be the fastest quarter mile ever run on PS4S's.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  And it did, it did...

• 22:36Matt Farah?

  That's nuts.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  So here, it has some numbers. So the Rimac Nevera R ran a quarter in 7.9 seconds at 186.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  I was gonna say about the Nevera, I thought the top end was higher, and it is, yes.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  I mean, it's almost a full second faster and it's also 27 miles per hour higher top speed. But the zero to 60 time.

• 22:58Matt Farah?

  27.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Dude, the zero to 60 time between the ZR1X and the Navara R is only two one hundredths of a second difference. That's pretty wild. So that that zero to six, that short thing, like.

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  You're you're.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Pretty cool.

• 23:13Matt Farah?

  You know, they used to say in like the, you know, the twenties and shit, if you went faster than a certain speed, you know, your fate.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  You die.

• 23:18Matt Farah?

  You die or whatever.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  You open your mouth and the window is open.

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  But like, and and I guess like. Everyone always says, oh, this is as fast as you can go or this is like, but when you're getting to numbers that start with a one. You really are getting to as fast as a thing can go. Like there, there's almost nothing that accelerates fast. Forget like cars, like outside of like. Bullets, like what the fuck else goes from zero to 60 miles an hour? That fast, like even those magnetic roller coasters don't do that.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a good question.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  Like other shit that goes really fast, like airplane, I guess, like. You need like the hydraulic ram of a fucking aircraft carrier to beat that.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  So the Superman, the Superman ride, the Superman escape, which is like a magnetic powered thing. And it was super famous, what, 20 years ago when it came out, it was like, oh, my God, this acceleration is insane.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  It was sick.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  It does zero to 100.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  In seven seconds, it does zero to 62 miles per hour in two seconds.

• 24:27Matt Farah?

  So this is this beats that. Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think as a vehicle, there's nothing that accelerates. I mean, like cars do, right? Even motorcycles, because they don't have the grip.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, other than, other than like dedicated drag racing things, like, you know, it's all, you know, but for a.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  And I'm probably, I probably have an enormous blind spot here somewhere. I'm gonna find out what I, but like, I don't know of anything that a person could experience that goes from zero to whatever that fast.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Skydiving, maybe. Maybe.

• 25:02Matt Farah?

  That's just gravity. Gravity, you fall at 1G. This is 1.6 something G's.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Oh, I was just, I was thinking the acceleration from, from zero, standing on the plane to when you reach, you know, 60, when you're falling.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  But no, but you're accelerating faster in the car.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  You are, because it said it pulls 1.4G. Yeah, when you're, when you're falling, you're going 1G. Gravity. It's literally gravity.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  True.

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• 29:07Speaker 01

  I'm just curious how quickly you get from

• 29:09Matt Farah?

  How quickly do you actually?

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Not the G's, like the actual time.

• 29:11Matt Farah?

  Your speed, yeah, okay.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  And for context, BMW S1000RR does 0-60 in 2.6 to 3.2.

• 29:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Sluggish.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  And if you look, I mean, GM is of course being cheeky but accurate. They're like, the price of everything that even comes close or does beat this ZR1X, most of the cars cost 10 times to 20 times as much unless it's a Lucid Air Sapphire.

• 29:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, the Sapphire, honestly, that's the drag race I want to see.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:39Matt Farah?

  I want to see a Sapphire, because you, I mean, look, you and I did a quarter mile in a Sapphire. And like, holy fucking shit.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  That's, that's, that's a serious, serious, serious drag racing vehicle.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  I wonder how much time each vehicle needs to like prep the battery. Like when you had the E, when you drove the E-RAID to launch, was there time to set into launch mode?

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  Nothing.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  If you ran back to back, you know, if you ran back to back runs, do you think there's like a cooling or a battery prep period?

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  Well, the battery is small.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 30:12Matt Farah?

  So it doesn't like last very long. So if you're putting it in like drag racing mode, I think you need to either drive it for a couple of miles or idle it a bit, because it'll do a fast idle to charge it for like a little bit.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  That would be a great experiment because the ZR1X would have to like, you know, go and drive into town and back to charge the battery. And the Lucid might have to like cool or prep the battery between runs. So which one could get like three 0-60 runs done quicker?

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  You know, it might be able to, the ZR1X, I wouldn't be surprised if you, if between the braking, the regen braking from braking from 160 to 30, right? At the end of the drag strip, you've got to brake pretty hard in that car, right? So like, I bet you that much regen

• 31:05Matt Farah?

  And then the drive back to the paddock gets you almost all the way back to a full battery. E-rays recharge really fast. Like when I would do, when we did like, you'd do two or three laps around the track in the E-ray and the battery would be mostly depleted and you'd put it into charge and you would do one lap slow and it would be charged. So it was pretty good. Revuelto too, Temerario too. They would recharge, because they're small, they would recharge pretty fast.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:39Matt Farah?

  Um, but like, that's so fucking fast.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  That's really cool.

• 31:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So the non-X, the non-hybrid ZR1 is the road and track performance car of the year. It's essentially like, you know, the ZR1 is like legit, like a 750 McLaren, but with more traction. Like, I like the 750 because you can have a, it's like riding a bull. Like, that's a good time for me. Like, that's too much for some people and like, that's okay. This is that kind of speed, but it isn't like that. It actually has like, it turns horsepower into forward motion.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  The rear tires that much wider?

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  GM's PTM is better. I just think it's better.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 32:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, McLaren's is, is, is good. Like, you can do a, you can, you can do a whole track day in a McLaren and not get wheel speed, but if, it will spin. But if you, if you turn everything off, this, the ZR1 had stickier tires, for sure. McLaren uses regular ass tires. The ZR1's tires are also wider.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the, the ZR1 uses 315s, the 750 uses 305s.

• 32:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And there, and there are compounds on the, on the ZR1 and their, uh, regular like, P0s, I think, on the McLaren. So like, uh, but the vibe of the two cars, like how they deliver just explosive power and it feels like a cheat code to life to drive one of those things. Um, I mean, I can't, I cannot wait. I remember saying, when these things depreciate to a hundred thousand bucks, I am so in. I will, I'm absolutely going to buy one of these when they're a hundred grand.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's buying your own amusement park ride. That is so fast.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  They are nuts. They're so fast and, um...

• 33:33Matt Farah?

  The Temerario is incredibly special. It's really cool. It's so fun. It's so balanced. It has the magical steering. It revs to 10,000. It doesn't sound amazing outside the car, but it sounds amazing inside the car. It just has much better intake noise than exhaust noise because of the turbos. The ride's incredible. The steering is incredible. And it's really roomy. Like roomy inside, which is so, and you have side visibility, which you never had in a Huracan or a Gallardo. It's all the like, all the goodies from Revuelto, but like smaller. And it was rad.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  The, what other cars do we have here? M5 Touring, you know, it's, that's me sliding it, which is a nice photo, but it's, it never, I never loved it. RS3, we talked about because I spent like 2,000 miles driving that car. I drove it all the way up there. And then I drove it all the way back. I drove it on a road and track rally on the way. It was like, I like lived out of that RS3 for like a month. May I never see an RS3 again. I have enough RS3 miles. But that car really takes a shit kicking. If you want to, if you want like, like, because the GTI, we had the five-door GTI, or Golf R as well.

• 35:00Matt Farah?

  But like, the Golf R is really fun, right up until you try to drive past the traction control, like try to, try to go full off. It doesn't like it as much. The RS3 is happier to do that kind of stuff. But the Golf R has amazing seats. It's really like, if you want a road trip, a hot hatch, like that's the shit.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  And the fabric they used on it is really nice, like the shape of it, all of it. It's not just like the stuffing.

• 35:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Man.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  The AMG GT Pro.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  If you are the kind of person whose goal is to go fast and maintain traction, which is most people, right? Most people, even in a track day, are not trying to slide around. They're trying to have grip. If that's how you want to drive, in a way that your car will really help you maintain a good line, be clean, and be very fast, that AMG GT is pretty good. It points really good, great brakes, really fast, and it's perfect right up until you try and do stupid shit with it, and then it gets very mad and unhappy.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  What does it do? Like, if you turn traction off with that, you know, yellow knob?

• 36:14Matt Farah?

  If you turn traction control off, it will let you get two degrees or three degrees of yaw and then start killing stuff. And it'll get confused.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 36:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's not, it just is unhappy.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  It's so funny. It's such a journalist problem for the most part, but like, the simple, knowing the science of killing traction control for the sake of either video, or fun, or pictures.

• 36:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Is like, in itself, a skill.

• 36:39Matt Farah?

  Well, we just, yeah, the last two days, and we don't talk about it because for the magazine, I did the dyno tasting story, where I put the same car on four different dynos. And so, the nuances of how cars behave on the dyno are even weirder than this kind of stuff, yeah. The Mini, yeah, the Mini Cooper, we can just, that's just a, don't buy one of those. That's not, that's not good. That's not good. That one's, that, it made, it made the Golf R feel like a fucking McLaren, honestly. It was not good.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, they feel like, somehow you've put a Civic SI with a Suburban. That's what pops, like, it's just heavy, and everything's up front, and now they're big.

• 37:20Matt Farah?

  It's very, very strange. And what, are there any cars on there that I did not mention? Go back up, sorry. Do I go all those?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  GTD.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  The GTD, I talked about GTD a lot. The GTD is one of those cars that it's, it's just, if you love Fords, and if you love Mustangs, and if you want the greatest Mustang ever, like, that's it. It's... It's not competitive with other cars that are like $400,000. But it also like for the people buying that shit, it doesn't really matter like it's fucking. They're crazy. Outside of a group comparison test. It's it's in, you know, no one would ever get into a GTD and be like, this isn't awesome. Like it's it is awesome. Even if it's like marginally not as good as a ZR1 or whatever. Um, it sounds like fucking a NASCAR race all the time.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  It looks like a touring car, racing car. I mean, oh my God. There's so much presence to that thing.

• 38:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they actually like they ride pretty good on the street like you. You can sort of use them as cars. Um, they have no trunk, but at least you can fold the seats forward.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  And put, yeah.

• 38:29Matt Farah?

  And there's a whole big shelf behind the seats. So like you can put stuff in it. Unlike a GT3 RS. Um, it's just, you know, in the, in the world of $400,000 cars, like pretty stiff competition.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Well, especially when you have ZR1, which costs not half, but like significantly less.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  222 out the door. Yeah.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  That's wild. I mean, that is, that is a lot of money for me.

• 38:54Matt Farah?

  And to be fair, as tested, the GTD was 367.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:58Matt Farah?

  To be fair.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  It's expensive.

• 39:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, but I, I called it a $400,000 car and it's not fair to call that.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  When, when I'm actually going to be very specific about the other one.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Right. That's fair.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  Um, also ZR1s, the roof comes off. And that's just a nice thing. Even if you don't care. Even if you don't care. You, if you buy one, one day you might be like, you know, it's a really nice day. And the roof comes off. And I was gonna vote, I was gonna vote for Temerario as my number one. Until the very end of the last day when we had a beautiful sunset. And I had like 20 minutes of nothing to do and I grabbed the ZR1, I took the roof off. And I went for a rip with the top down. I was like, oh my God. It was like, you're telling me that this is, this is, this is what $200,000 gets you in America?

• 39:51Matt Farah?

  220 in America right now? Like this is what we're talking about? And like, they're gonna make five too many of them? So they're gonna depreciate like fucking crazy in a couple of years? Like? This is the shit. Like that. This is exactly what's up. Cause like it's. Cause Lamborghini's smart, right? They're gonna make one less than people want. You know what I mean? They're, they're, they're fucking printing money with Urises and platform shared stuff like with the sports cars. They can always make one less than people want, even with Revuelto's and all that shit, right? Like GTD, yeah, one less than people want. All of these cars, GT3, absolutely one less than you.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  Core GM will never and has never learned this.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Right. They make as much money as they can. Sure.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  As many as you can sell and then a few more than that.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  I mean, Porsche kinda does that too. Like they have some limited things. They, they just do a slow rollout.

• 40:52Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  So Porsche has like, it seems like it's limited. It's limited in, in how many you can access at once.

• 40:59Matt Farah?

  Right. That's true. That's true.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  But I think it works in their favor and in, I mean, this is just, what I see is the more of the really good cars that are out there, even when they depreciate, it exposes people to that brand and the cars are still good. And then you have more fans of the brand. So when the new thing comes out, there's more fervor around it.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  But man, when these fucking things get to be a Honda.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Where's UZ06 is now. We have, how many of our friends have bought them?

• 41:28Matt Farah?

  A buck oh five.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  We've got two or three friends.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  And they've had really nice stuff and now they've got these things. I mean, it just seems like it makes a lot of sense.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  Cause they're, they're, I got two year, excuse me, two years later, they're a hundred grand.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  And to go back to the, the roof off thing, usually the faster and more extreme a car gets, and the ZR1 is both of those things. You have a lot more compromise, right? You GTD, you lose the trunk. Uh, GT3 RS, you lose the trunk. It's just like, okay, you wanna go faster, faster? We have to remove these features because we need the, the system to accommodate that speed. ZR1's like, roof comes off.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  Roof comes off.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  It still has the same trunk in the back, two golf clubs.

• 42:07Matt Farah?

  It does have the same trunk in the back. Yes. Although with the wing there, it becomes an interesting negotiation for certain items.

• 42:17Matt Farah?

  To get in there.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Well, if you put a loaf of bread in there, it's sliced when you take it out now.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  No, but yeah, you can carry things. You can carry things. Yeah. So, the whole big story with lap times and very pretty photos and all that other stuff is up at roadandtrack.com. There's also the video. The video that we made, actually, it's probably the best one we've ever done. There is a pretty good video that I host. It's like, it's fully produced. There's interviews with a lot of people as well as a lot of, a lot of good action.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Oh, Andy Hendrick was there with Mark. Cool.

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And there's also a lot of like, sub-stories that people have written about that kind of thing.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 43:02Matt Farah?

  So.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We should get one here.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  We should.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  You know, the only thing about the ZR1 is it's like, not awesome, is that it is quieter than the Z06, because it's turbo, obviously, particularly with the top down. And, and also that the extra horsepower versus the Z06 doesn't actually come into play very much below 70 or 80 miles an hour, obviously. So, for most drivers, the Z06 is actually the kind of the one you want. It sounds a little better and it's really fucking fast. And they're very similar cars outside of that. One is just the turbo, you know, but 1,000 horsepower.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  I imagine these are selling very well in like, Texas 2000, like, the 2K stuff. Like, these will be everywhere. And then when people start putting bigger turbos on them and running 2,000 horsepower ZR1s like, at the drag strip, that's gonna be nuts.

• 44:07Matt Farah?

  Can't wait for them to be a hundo.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 44:10Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be fucking sweet.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  What a rad thing.

• 44:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It really does. I mean, in a lot of ways, it felt very, you know, McLaren-y. For a car that is not a carbon tub. It's quite a bit heavier than the McLaren. But it steers in a, in, it doesn't have the feel, the hydraulic, but it does, it's as direct. The gearbox actually feels very similar to what McLaren's gearbox feels like. The power delivery is very similar. There's even more of it because you have a little more displacement. But man, tons of grip, tons of grip. But fucking, did they put any slidey shots in there? I did a bunch of, I did a bunch of that and I hope they used some of it.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  That would have been, that would have been awfully nice.

• 45:00Matt Farah?

  Nope. Now it's all just details, no.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  That?

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  That maybe. Yeah, there's a couple. That's nice. That's a good one, Mark. Nicely done. Didn't get very, these tires don't get that smoky.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Well, super sticky and humongous tires. I'm sure you were, like, the slide probably was over so quickly because it just grips up and starts sending you forward.

• 45:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they just like, just these, no, you, ah, yes. It kind of does hook up pretty good. You can't do a really long one. But it's fucking, you can, you kind of can though.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  You need that third gear shit, Chris Harris stuff.

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  Third, fourth gear, yeah. I don't have the balls for that kind of stuff. It's too important when there's like 12 other people that need to drive the cars for like four more days and like, the wheels are carbon, so if you have like an off, you're probably gonna like fuck one up.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  I don't want to crack.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  No, you do not want to sideline the car on a production of that size. It's, it ruins everything.

• 45:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, they don't get, they don't get that smoky though. The M5's tires got very, very schmicky. That's a, that's a smoky son.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  That's a good time. I love, I love a performance cars of the year. Were there, she want to like, let's go?

• 46:19Matt Farah?

  Should we go to questions about that and then come back to something else?

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 46:23Matt Farah?

  Were there, were there direct questions about P. Cody?

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Well, I, let's see, I saw one about, wow, this is running really slow. Uh, we talked about that.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, maybe this was a bad idea to do on the fly.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  I think we...

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Let's see.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Well, LL Cool Been, that's a great name. What was your favorite memory of this year's P. Cody?

• 46:49Matt Farah?

  My favorite memory? Ooh.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  ZR1 top-down?

• 46:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, that drive, that drive on the, in the sunset with the ZR1 with the roof down was pretty, pretty special. That was, that was a good one. Um, hmm.

• 47:07Matt Farah?

  Getting to drive, uh, the Temerario in the rain was pretty fun. Uh, that was a pretty good, pretty good wet weather car, actually. I really, I really enjoyed that. I probably won't ever get to do that again. Uh, pretty unique circumstance. Um, let's see.

• 47:31Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I think, I think that drive in the ZR1 really is it. I'm sorry if they, if I don't have a new, a new other one, but how did I rank the cars? I only, we only rank our top three.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So they don't ask us to, to, to rank all the way down.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  So what if everyone ranks the same top three? Cause there's like 10 cars there, right?

• 47:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  So the bottom seven, how would they, how would they shuffle those into order just based on lap time?

• 47:57Matt Farah?

  I don't know if they...

• 48:00Matt Farah?

  I don't know if they do. I don't, did they, did they rank them all in that order? All the way in order?

• 48:05Speaker 01

  I don't know. I guess they...

• 48:06Matt Farah?

  I don't know if they did.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Oh, you're right. They're not really ranked here.

• 48:08Matt Farah?

  They didn't ask us to do that. They said, just give us your top three.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So my, I mean, my top three were the, the ZR1, uh, the, the Temerario and the, and the GT3, which shocking, I mean, but, but also like, I mean, those are all very, very expensive cars, but the, the Golf R was pretty sweet as well. I think you, you're still, you're right in the money now with the Golf R.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  I mean, talking to you makes me want to buy a used RS3 with a warranty. For like two years?

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  What a great thing.

• 48:39Matt Farah?

  Good everyday car.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  Good, good at doing all kinds of different stuff.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  A little more fun in the canyons than Golf R.

• 48:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Plus.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  Like very, very fast.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  Better HVAC?

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Well, better like controls, right?

• 48:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Audi controls are just better, yeah. And it's sound, you know, it sounds cool. It's, it's fucking cred as fuck and big trunk. Like, that's a very practical car.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  The RS3.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  We drove the new S3 together and it's basically the same.

• 49:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, same car.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  It's, it's lovely. Even the new S3 is great.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Will you, I need your help in identifying a car.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  My wife filmed this on the, uh, on the road and...

• 49:20Matt Farah?

  You mean, is it a Wrangler with no fenders?

• 49:21Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  Cause that's what it looks like.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a couple of things.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Let's see, play this video.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  You shouldn't film while driving.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 49:34Matt Farah?

  So this is, it's, it's a four-door Wrangler with no fenders. It's pink on one side and what color is the other side? Teal on the other side? And then it just like, it says Kia, just in tape, maybe?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  In huge font.

• 49:50Matt Farah?

  Huge letters?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  The size of like a Monster Energy can in terms of the height and then...

• 49:55Matt Farah?

  Some kind of camper top.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  We got a second angle here.

• 49:58Matt Farah?

  Like it has one of those like angled.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Well, it's funny, it's got this cam back, but it's covered like a Cybertruck. So this person can't see out of the back of their car anymore.

• 50:07Matt Farah?

  Very interesting.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  But look at the, uh, can I punch in?

• 50:10Matt Farah?

  The buttress here.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, look at the butt.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  So in the cam back, it has a weird like buttress in it. Oh, this is like kind of funky.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  My favorite, so the reason I, I show this, cause it's not just like, like it's a Wrangler with weird fenders. But then I zoomed in and I realized that these fenders are not, this is not a straight line. Like this is like a handmade wide body.

• 50:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  And then up here, they added buttresses to the front fender. So for people listening, there's, imagine a triangle is reaching out from the front door hinge to the fender. Like for extra support.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  That's a very good description of that.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  And then it like matches, so I don't know if it's an art car or a SEMA car, or they're just trolling the world with this huge Kia badge on the back.

• 50:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's really strange, but, but, I mean, it's clearly someone's full-on concept.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  You know what's funny, it's definitely a Wrangler, obviously, because if you look at the exposed hinges, but what jumps out is that they left the stock bumper on.

• 51:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it also has a temporary license plate on it.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Someone just bought this.

• 51:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Like, why change literally every part of the body to be entered into an art competition, but leave this stock black bumper with the reflectors?

• 51:23Matt Farah?

  Well, it looks like there's a camera right underneath the eye in Kia, so maybe that's their rearview mirror.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  And then what's this little fin?

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  That's probably, I mean, you would put a camera there, that's where a camera might be.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  It's unquestionably stupid looking, for sure. I mean, that's pretty bad. I'm sort of a live and let live kind of guy. That's hideously ugly, and also looks very cheaply done.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the funniest thing about the Fenders to me. They put a lot of work, but they didn't have a lot of time.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  It looks, it's like high school pimp my ride shit.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, very much so.

• 51:59Matt Farah?

  Like, my nephew is young, he's like, he just turned 16, he got his first car, it's a Honda Fit.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 52:08Matt Farah?

  And he's talking about, and as a budget-constrained 16-year-old does, he's finding ways he can modify his car that he can afford.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  You know, so it's like...

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Seat covers.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  Making some fog lights fit, and like, he actually, to his credit, got the JDM armrest, you know, because his car's a no-armrest. Did Sarah's Fit have an armrest?

• 52:31Speaker 01

  No, it did not.

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  Well, the JDM one, the Jazz does, so he got the Jazz armrest.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Good, you know how important that is? That was one of the big problems of that car.

• 52:41Matt Farah?

  So, he's asking me about other things, you know, what should he get for his car?

• 52:44Speaker 01

  He got a T-handle.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  There's a couple of things where I'm like, "Look, let my embarrassing failures help guide you here." So, I was like, "Here's a list of things you cannot modify on your car, unless you're going to spend real money to do it the right way."

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Can I show you the opposite of what you have told this young man?

• 53:03Matt Farah?

  Yes, absolutely. The opposite of what I've told him?

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 53:08Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  I saw this.

• 53:10Matt Farah?

  Is that a Elantra?

• 53:11Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 53:13Matt Farah?

  You know what's funny is like-

• 53:14Speaker 01

  A few blocks from my house.

• 53:14Matt Farah?

  It's, okay, so it's an Elantra with a Ferrari badge on it. Uh, a splitter, like a big, like, looks like a racing splitter. And a lower grill with a Ferrari horse on it that actually looks kind of Ferrari-like. Like that lower grill.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, the grill's shaped.

• 53:31Matt Farah?

  Looks like it could be off of California or something, doesn't it?

• 53:34Speaker 01

  It does.

• 53:35Matt Farah?

  Or a Portofino?

• 53:36Speaker 01

  There's more. But wait, Matt, there's more.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  But then there's a tricolore stripe, uh, black, uh, it's a red car with a silver and black stripe down the center. Okay, but wait, there's more? Let's go. Oh, boy. Okay. All right, so the Hyundai badge has been replaced by another Cavallino. And then it says in a real Autozone font, block letters, GTO.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. So this is like a 599 GTO?

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, and then it has the Ferrari badge, um, uh, like the, the, uh, the, the rear deck lid, uh, the written badge at the base of the rear windshield.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  Epic.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Really, the commitment to this. And we've got carbon trim on the trunk with the yellow accent.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  Wait, there's two more photos in this series.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  There are.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  Keep going.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Uh, this is just a wider shot of the back, but the real magic, I noticed the wheels. I noticed. Matt almost spit his water out.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Oh, my God.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. Okay, wait, first off, can I point something out? If he, does he, do you think this person has real drilled and slotted brake rotors?

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. I can, I can't, there we go. Look, these are, these are actually-

• 54:50Matt Farah?

  Those are actually nice.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  These are real drilled. These are not covers.

• 54:54Matt Farah?

  Wait, are tho- but those aren't the real brake, calipers.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 54:59Matt Farah?

  That's gotta be a caliper cover.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Might be a caliper cover, which for those listening is yellow and says Ferrari on it.

• 55:05Matt Farah?

  But then it has the, the fucking 60's knockoff spinner.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  With-

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  With the wire.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Safety wire.

• 55:13Matt Farah?

  Safety wire.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  And it's facing the right direction. When I walked up to this car, I just stopped, I was walking with Sarah and I go, "Whoa." And I walk around and I just keep taking pictures and she says, "I've never seen you so excited about a car." And the safety, like this person, yes, this is a kind of silly idea, waste of money, but the commitment and the detail is actually impressive. The tack, I didn't have a picture of it, the tack is painted yellow.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 55:43Matt Farah?

  Is it, okay, all right. The problem I see here.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  There's no, what problem could you possibly see?

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  Is it, what I don't understand, okay, what I don't understand. The commitment to this, to the bit with the spinner and the safety wire. And I think this is a real attention to detail. And the fact that he probably thought, of course it's a he, thought that, thought that, "Well, I'm gonna put this spinner and this wire in here and that's gonna draw a lot of attention to my wheel, so I better put cool-looking brakes, so people just don't go, 'Oh, what a loser.'" And so actually he has like, nice-looking brake hardware, what looks like it, but I think maybe it's fake. But that same person

• 56:29Matt Farah?

  has the wor, couldn't find the right font for the GTO badge?

• 56:35Matt Farah?

  Like, it looks like they bought almost a real Ferrari badge. And like, they have real Cavallino badges and stuff, or at least real-ish. And then they had that horrible.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  It's like block font and caps.

• 56:48Matt Farah?

  Is that the font, it's not the body? No, it's not, I don't think it is. Is it, it's not from like, the 70s, right?

• 56:56Speaker 01

  No, I think it would be, it's not even from the new one.

• 56:58Matt Farah?

  No, the new one is more like, curvier, it's thinner and curvier, yeah.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a weird font choice.

• 57:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a bad font choice. Cause actually, the rest of it, you know, is sort of like, A for effort.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  No, you're right. I feel like they ordered, they ordered like a letter kit on Amazon. It came with every letter in the alphabet. And that's what they had. I also forgot that they, he kind of like, they painted the wheels so that the spokes look gold and the outsides are silver. So it's supposed to look like a three piece. I mean, the lines, like they taped it, you know, they taped this off. It wraps around the entire spoke.

• 57:35Matt Farah?

  Bro, sixty at sixty. At sixty miles an hour, I bet the effect of the spinner with that color, I bet it's like almost believable.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  It looks pretty good.

• 57:47Matt Farah?

  I bet it almost looks, it almost looks like a lip, probably.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  This is so wild.

• 57:54Matt Farah?

  That's pretty amazing, dude. Did you just stand around waiting for this guy to come back?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:00Matt Farah?

  Ah, that's what happened.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  I don't have time for that, but I, I walked around it for a good three minutes and just kept saying, wow. And just taking more and more pictures.

• 58:08Matt Farah?

  And you're telling me this person's Instagram handle was not on their car?

• 58:11Speaker 01

  It was not. That means they're a classy person. This was the most unbelievable onion, man. I just kept peeling layers and just going, oh my god.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  This is the classiest trash build ever.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  It really was. And they had, they had like a Ferrari steering wheel cover on it.

• 58:25Matt Farah?

  Do you think this started with, hey, man, do you think my lower grill looks like a Ferrari Portofinos? I don't know. Let's take that to its logical conclusion.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  I, I wonder if this is someone that works like at a body shop. So they have access to tape, paint, stuff like that. And either they practiced on their car and they knew it would also be a goof. Like they must be intentionally trolling while also refining their craftsmanship.

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  Sure. It's a practice beater.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  It's a practice beater and I can't knock that. And the commitment to the bit isn't now, that's, that's okay. If this is someone who's aspiring to own a Ferrari, this is not the way you spend your funds to get there.

• 59:07Matt Farah?

  That's no bueno.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  And this would not be the way to do it.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Every dollar spent on this is a dollar that's no longer in the bank to buy a real one. It's never coming back.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:16Matt Farah?

  I would love to take this car and drive it across an entire state off-road.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that'd be fun. You'd be shoveling dirt everywhere with this splatter.

• 59:24Matt Farah?

  I got seven Hyundai for this car. I'll drive it across the entire state of Oregon on dirt.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was, it was quite a discovery.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  That's amazing. Where'd you find that?

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Uh, three blocks from my house, near the IMAX thing.

• 59:36Matt Farah?

  Oh my God, you found that in your neighborhood?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:39Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  I was walking to the dog park.

• 59:41Matt Farah?

  Bro.

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  That's amazing.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  This was parked in front of very expensive building, like the townhouses that I can't even come close to affording. So.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Wow, that's pretty awesome.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  I thought you were gonna tell me you were out by the shooting range or something like way out in the middle of the.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Several blocks away from here.

• 59:58Matt Farah?

  Right here, wow, amazing.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Fantastic.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Okay, should we talk about DBX or should we, should we save that, huh?

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Uh, we can save it. We're 52 minutes, so we do questions and.

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we can save it.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  We should do another show before we leave anyway.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  We do.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Matt Farah?

  Before I go drive a thousand miles in a Lucid Gravitate.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  I just found out it's got plug-in charge on EA and Tesla Superchargers, so I don't even have to download the Tesla app or anything.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 1:00:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is gonna be, this is gonna be an interesting one. If, yeah, I've confirmed with my hotels that they have two to four electric chargers. There's a note in my file that I really will need one overnight. The only dice roll is Zion National Park. That's the only one. Because if that one is, if it's unavailable or I can't use it, I'm gonna have to somehow find another one, a slow one, at another hotel that I'm not staying at to use it. There is no fast charger there. So like, I have to find a slow charger,

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  whether it's at my own, but like, the hotel I'm staying at, uh, is not the same one that we stayed at last time. It's another one, but they have four EV chargers there. And I was like, is this gonna be a problem? I have to use it. And she's like, it's midweek, it's very slow season, I'm putting it in your file, they definitely work, people have been using them. And I went, okay.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  That town was quiet when we were there.

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  It's still winter.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  It's more winter.

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm not gonna do the hike though, I don't think.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  That's fine.

• 1:01:34Matt Farah?

  I gotta drive a lot that day.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  I have to, I have to drive from Zion to Sedona, which is like 285 miles of like backroads. I mean, it's like mostly desert backroad, but.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  It's also colder in Zion right now. It's like 30 degrees at night, 50, 50 is the high. So the time we hiked, it would be like 38 degrees.

• 1:01:54Matt Farah?

  That's, that's cold. I don't. I don't really wanna do that.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  You wanna stand on a cliff when it's 38 degrees and you're freezing and your hands don't work that well?

• 1:02:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, imagine the level.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Grabbing the chains?

• 1:02:03Matt Farah?

  Imagine the level of stiffness I would have after doing that hike in the cold and then immediately getting in the car and driving 280 miles of windy roads to Sedona. I'd be like, I'd be so fucked up after that, man. Oh, God.

• 1:02:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, update on the giveaway car. The, the dates of the contest have been a little bit abridged, which is actually okay. It's going to run from March 1st until I think like September 8th. So it's not gonna be all year.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:36Matt Farah?

  So, um, people have been emailing about it. They've been asking on Instagram and whatever. Fine. I, I'm down for their enthusiasm. I'm ready to go. We're ready to go. But, March. So, uh, hold your motherfucking horses.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:02:53Matt Farah?

  Let's go to the people, of course, over at patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. It's how you get in on the action. Ask questions for the live show, watch the live show, get the show before everybody else, get extra show, get show, shows without ads, all the shows without ads. Uh, and a whole lot more. And those people's turn it is. Uh, oh, boy.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  Wait.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  I think this is asking us to choose.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  To re, to re-fuck, marry, kill, uh, World War II?

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  It's about the cars, though? I took this to be about the cars.

• 1:03:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, huh, oh, the last sentence. If you get to the last sentence, it makes it more about the cars. Okay, sorry. Okay, let's see. Allied versus Axis Powers, uh, cars. All right. Uh, so allied would be US, France, and Great Britain, and Axis is Germany, Germany, Italy, and Japan. I mean, if I had to do Germany, Italy, and Japan.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Cars, I'm choosing, I'm choosing those for cars.

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  I'm choosing those. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Listen.

• 1:04:03Matt Farah?

  As we're learning in real time, you know, crimes against humanity are one thing, but good cars can be completely separate, you know? I don't care about that man's politics, he makes a fine automobile. That's what I've heard in Florida. I was like, you're Jewish, oh, you know that, right? Yeah, okay.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Well, it's a Sarah Silverman song, Jewish people driving German cars. It's the opposite of FUBU.

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  Was that from Jesus's Magic?

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:04:29Matt Farah?

  It was, right, yeah. The Roger Farrar Podcast, looking for a 997 or 991 Carrera S. With the advent of the mainstream market car auction sites and dealers still dominating, is the rent list marketplace still relevant in today's buying landscape? I have no idea. Where, uh... Did people buy cars on the rent list marketplace? Is that what people did? Is that where people bought cars? I don't know. I've never used that.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  You mean before?

• 1:05:09Matt Farah?

  I guess.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  All these things came about?

• 1:05:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I suppose, like, here's the thing with, um, with auction sites, if you're gonna have success on an auction site, like, real success, you need to, like, put in the effort, like, really good detailing, really good videos, really good photos, all that kind of stuff, very complete service records, all that shit. And, and it costs money. You have to, you, you, whatever, either costs you time to do all those things, or money to pay the, pay people to do those things, and then time and everything else. And then you have to actually pay for the listing. I always tell people, cause I, when we do it for them as a client, they're like, oh my god, that's expensive.

• 1:05:51Matt Farah?

  And I go, yeah, well, it's like, this many hours of work, if we do it, and we do it a lot, and if you do it for the first time, it's probably gonna be like, 50% more hours than that. They're gonna be your hours, so, what are you thinking? You know?

• 1:06:08Matt Farah?

  But they get very taken aback at the price. And I go, look, do the free shit first. Take like 10 cellphone pictures, write a thing, go on Craigslist, go on whatever your forum is, go on Facebook Marketplace and let that shit simmer for like a month. See if you get bites. You're gonna have to get, you're gonna get low ballers, you're gonna get hagglers, you know, it's bullshit. But like, that's what selling on those things looks like versus at auction. You have to do a lot more work up front, but then once it's out there, they're negotiating up, not down. So not everyone's just coming to your door telling you why your car is a piece of shit

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  and why it should be cheaper. Send preludes. That's pretty good.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Such a good name.

• 1:06:55Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good. I saw Cadillac Escalade pickup truck the other day and forgot those existed. What other odd versions of models are out there? The G-Wagon cab and Nissan Murano cross cab come to mind? The Range Rover Evoque convertible, obviously. There was a Dodge Dakota convertible pickup.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Convertible pickups, I think, make the least sense. The fancy pickups make total marketing money sense to me. And when they came out with a convertible Evoque, I was like, they're gonna sell as many as they can make. This just seems like they, it's like a, it's a turducken. They just go, oh, certain markets love fancy things and convertibles put them together. But convertible pickup truck, why?

• 1:07:36Matt Farah?

  I mean, you know, of course, the G-Wagon or the Maybach Longelais with the rollback tops, the Fiat Jollies. I mean, there's, there's all kinds of weird stuff out there. The 80s had some weird patchbacky kind of things, that Nissan NX200 or Nissan Pulsar, the Pulsar, which is all of them.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  That NX200, it looked kinda like a Solara.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:04Matt Farah?

  Christian Larson's been working as a porter at a Porsche dealer, recently drove a 993 for the first time and found it surprisingly insular and refined. I was expecting it to be more raw and visceral. What am I missing? 993s are soft.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, compared to all other air-cooled cars. They get, the older you go, the more raw they get. Pretty much, like, they peak raw at the 73RS, and then they get like a little softer like before that.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  And I think there was a blip, like 996 GT3RS, like right at the end, like, but the 993 was, they hadn't advanced like the NA power all the way, but they were adding, they had advanced all the sound deadening a lot. So I think it's kind of like this weird mix of the two.

• 1:08:47Matt Farah?

  And it had the new rear suspension that was softer, and it had more like literal, like leather and all kinds of stuff, and variohram, all these more like tech things, emissions things. It was the first 911 with like modern emissions controls really in it, beyond, you know, cats. So it's, yeah, they're soft. They're lovely, and compared to, you know, brand new cars, they're pretty raw, but they're, they're pretty soft. That's why, I think, why people like them. They're good for putting miles on.

• 1:09:20Matt Farah?

  K cars, looking to upgrade my Boxster, maybe a 718 GTS, but compared to a 981 Spider. What factors would you consider in the trade?

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, I don't, well, the 981 Spider, like the older Spider, has like the tent roof. Like, that's a real commitment. That's like, even my roof isn't that annoying. The 718 Spider roof is alright. The 718 GTS is like, almost a perfect car. I probably would just get that, actually. If you, 981 Spider's gonna be more raw, and, you know, the nerds will be like, ooh, is that the early Spider with the tent roof? But, there's almost no situation in which a six-cylinder 981 is better than a six-cylinder 718. To me, not

• 1:10:16Matt Farah?

  much. The only difference is, if you must have an exhaust that comes together and makes that... Traditional Porsche sound because 718s have a true dual. And it sounds more rumbly, even the six cylinder cars do. So if you really care about that, you can't make a 718 sound like a GT3. It's not possible. My car sounds like World War II aircraft, not like a GT3. So, um, it's just a different thing. But like, if you have money for a 718 GTS, I don't know why you're looking at anything else, honestly. Um, Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club. What business advice would you give to yourself from 10 or 15 years ago?

• 1:11:00Matt Farah?

  And would younger you have followed it? Uh, yeah, delete your Twitter in 2012.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Uh, I would just, uh, take, take Boulder swings just earlier. Cause you're gonna end up taking them anyway. So you just get it out of the way.

• 1:11:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um. Huh, that's interesting.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  And just start, start a small investment account early and dollar cost average in conservative funds. Uh, cause time is your friend.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Buy real estate in New Zealand 15 years ago.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  Don't hire friends.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Don't hire friends.

• 1:11:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you don't, you don't really count.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  That's true. We weren't friends beforehand.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, you know, cause I've said, I said that to somebody else recently. And they're like, what about Zach? And I was like, Zach is, yes, but like, we didn't meet. It wasn't like we were friends for 10 years. And then I was like, hey, I'm doing a thing.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Very good point.

• 1:12:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we met under the context of I was starting the thing. So that's not really the same.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:12:09Matt Farah?

  Um, but that's a good one. That's a big one. Try to really try to avoid working with friends.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  That can just get so messy.

• 1:12:16Matt Farah?

  I should have learned it the first time. Uh, queers shifting gears.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  You hear that lyric, Casilla? He should have learned it the first time. I don't even know if you're talking about him. I just wanted to fucking needle him.

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  Okay, wait, wait, wait. I painted my lemon's car in a Lisa Frank rainbow leopard print livery. That's fabulous.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Awesome. I went to a Lisa Frank party once. It was so fun.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  What's a Lisa Frank party?

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  I didn't know until the party invite came. When I show you, you'll immediately know what it is. Lisa Frank was like a brand that sold a ton of neon colorful shit to women in like the 90s and early 2000s.

• 1:12:57Matt Farah?

  Okay, I definitely know what this is. Yeah, okay, cool. I would love that on a race car. My friend did an after eight mince race livery. That's pretty cool. If you had to avoid picking a well-known existing race car livery, how would you paint a race car? Oh, that would be fun. Like, I would paint a race car...

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  After eight mince are delicious.

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. What's a product that I really love? That like I wish would just support my race car, but like doesn't actually?

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  Marijuana.

• 1:13:33Matt Farah?

  Just a general support for marijuana?

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  You could just paint marijuana. You could paint a leaf and they'd be like, "Oh, which dispenser?" And you go, "Nope, the plant."

• 1:13:42Matt Farah?

  No, I support them, actually. They don't support me. I support them.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:13:47Matt Farah?

  That would be really funny. Just a general support for marijuana would be an exceptional race car livery. I mean, I would, uh... I would love to have cigarettes, uh, livery. I would just, I would, I'd have to do Camel Lights because they were my cigarette of choice. I think they Camel did, uh, was there any Camel race cars of note? I mean, I know there was a NASCAR, but like...

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure they sponsored Eddie Jordan's car.

• 1:14:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, you're right. Yes, it was.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  With DHL. I just found that story.

• 1:14:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, was it also the, um, the Martin Brundle car, the yellow car that he crashed? Wasn't that a yellow Camel car?

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:27Matt Farah?

  It was, right?

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  I think that was also that.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  But anyway, yeah.

• 1:14:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're right. Sorry.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Camel sponsors some racing.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't do yellow. I would, my car would look like a pack of Camel Lights. Uh, like a gentleman.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  You know what? You gotta, you gotta get a G-body or something that is shaped like a rectangle and then paint it exactly like a pack from top to down. That would be pretty funny.

• 1:14:49Matt Farah?

  You know what'd be a fun one would be Newports. If you were, if you had a race car that was like a Newport cigarettes livery. Have they done, do they do any racing? Was there Newport Motorsports?

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Let me see.

• 1:15:05Matt Farah?

  Is there, oh, IndyCar. Yeah, here we go. Eighty-nine Newport IndyCar.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  Forgotten cigarette sponsors.

• 1:15:12Matt Farah?

  Bro, did it ever, oh, look at that. Dude, does it get any cooler? What's cooler than cool? A Newport IndyCar, no.

• 1:15:25Matt Farah?

  That looks great. I would do that. My race car would be straight Newports, dude. I would have menthol injection.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  That is very good.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Nitro menthol injection.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Menthol injected. That's a great sticker to put on it, yeah.

• 1:15:41Matt Farah?

  Six-speed masterclass. Have you seen the Rhine Motors cars that they just unveiled? It's a formula-style, street-legal car being sold as a three-wheeler to evade regulations. It comes packaged with a four-wheel conversion.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  Comes with a fourth wheel.

• 1:15:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God, dude. Fourth wheel not included. That's crazy. It comes as a three-wheeler and then you convert it yourself to four wheels?

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  Wow, one of their Instagram posts is literally just called "How It's Street Legal." Oh, I don't want to read.

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  That's gotta be an intent to defraud, doesn't it?

• 1:16:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, I don't like, I don't want to be a buzzkill if they're selling street-legal race cars. Like, I don't, but I'm just wondering, if you're, if you're selling this as a three-wheel thing, and that's the entire premise under which it's legal, and you have a, then sell a spare part to convert it, along with it, along with posting these, is that not like an intent to defraud?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  This is crazy. For people listening, this looks exactly like a small F1 car. Exactly. Like, side pods, front splitter.

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  Halo.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  Halo, everything about it.

• 1:16:56Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Wow, and the deposit's only a hundred dollars, apparently.

• 1:17:00Matt Farah?

  Of course it is.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  According to the comments. But yeah, where do you?

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  I mean, this is so-

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  How does this arrive as a three-wheel vehicle?

• 1:17:09Matt Farah?

  No, didn't you see there was a- you were- you found a post that just said, "How is this legal?" Go up, go back up.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  No, it was on there. It wasn't- you gotta read-

• 1:17:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, you have to read it? Oh, it doesn't- okay.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  The four-wheel conversion kit can be installed any time after delivery and is designed for the track to unlock the full Formula car performance. It's technically not-

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, this says, "We've worked with the DOT, NHTSA, FBM. It's want to clearly explain how the conversion works on the street."

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:17:35Matt Farah?

  "Can be installed any time after delivery. Is designed for the track to unload- unlock full Formula car performance. It's an aftermarket part and is not FMVSS compliant, but you can renew registration without issue, even in inspection states. You must ensure- inform your insurer of the aftermarket conversion. Policies need to be adjusted." Oh, "In the case of extremely- oh, this- possible concerns. In the rare case an extremely knowledgeable officer wants to be difficult or follows this company on Instagram, you can receive a ticket for an illegal modification similar to an exhaust ticket. This is uncommon,

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  usually a fix-it ticket, whereas proof of returning to the three-wheel setup follows it." Blah, blah, blah. I mean, look-

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  That's wild. I want to see a picture of the three- there we go.

• 1:18:34Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Okay, so three- yeah, it's what you expect. Two front wheels, one in the back underneath the large, and I mean, large wing. So you unbolt what looks like a motorcycle swingarm, I guess, and then you install-

• 1:18:48Matt Farah?

  A complete rear subframe.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Wow. With- I mean, you have drive axles, everything.

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  So do you think-

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  This is crazy.

• 1:18:57Matt Farah?

  So do you think it's a motorcycle engine? You think it's like a Hayabusa engine?

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know. 220 horsepower, probably.

• 1:19:05Matt Farah?

  220 horsepower, probably Hayabusa or some- some jacked-up motorcycle-based engine, right?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:19:11Matt Farah?

  And it's like a chain drive or something?

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  This is totally bananas.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  I mean, dude.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Imagine-

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, have a good time, you know?

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  The inevitable discussion with a police officer. Here we go.

• 1:19:27Matt Farah?

  I is good luck. This is, this is a very guilty until proven innocent kind of car. You know what I mean? Good luck and good luck being like, no, you're not a knowledgeable officer on this. And this, yeah, it's just, it's just an illegal modification like, bro.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Uh, no blinkers. Oh, this is early prototype. Okay. But yeah, bike engine. Um, good luck. I mean, it's very cool. I think buying one for the track might be fun, but you could probably get other options out there. But, uh, I don't, I don't, I personally don't want to have that discussion with the police officer going, no, it's a three wheeler. They go, it isn't. And you, what it was, but I converted it and I think like, right, well then go back to, go back to start. Do not pass go.

• 1:20:13Matt Farah?

  All right. It's funky though. I mean, you know,

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  I, I like the world of weird shit and, uh, I would, I'd have a go. Where the fuck, where do you think, where do you think it's built?

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  Where are you built? Are you built in Austin, Texas? Of course you are. Is, listen, there isn't a worse place in America to drive something like this on the street than Austin. Austin's roads are fucking heinously bad. They suck. If you're gonna have, is that the founder?

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:20:51Matt Farah?

  It's a good photo.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  So idea conceived in 2023.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Original design.

• 1:21:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  All right. So they have the first prototype in August of 2025. So it might be, I'm speculating, maybe it'll be quicker. I'm betting it'll be a little bit before they build production ones.

• 1:21:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  You can do pre-orders now, but, uh, anyway, wild.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  Good times.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  Good times.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Good luck.

• 1:21:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, we can, uh, we can, um, Ali, Zach can message Ali about that. Nissan Gluteus Maximas. Uh, will we ever get away from horsepower being the standard metric of performance that most people care about? Even though torque is arguably more important, important? Or is torque doomed forever by poor education and marketing? Um, I think they're both important, but I think horsepower sounds cooler than torque. And I think once people understand a system or what something means, a scale.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  It's like trying to convert Americans to the metric system, you know, like the metric measurements just like make way more sense than our stupid measurements, but like they tried to convert everybody, it doesn't work. So like, um, if we're gonna get away from horsepower, eventually it's gonna be kilowatts, not torque, but fucking, we're gonna need a whole, multiple generations of people on kilowatts rather than horsepower, uh, to actually get to something like that. But horsepower and torque both work hand in hand. I mean, I've driven plenty of diesels, like torque is important, but like, if you have

• 1:22:51Matt Farah?

  a lot of torque and no horsepower, like you don't have a fast vehicle, so.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  And then horsepower has been the de facto, like, marketing term or term for 70 years. You try to unwind that, it's just not gonna work.

• 1:23:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, two guys in the back of Alexis, Texas. Uh, I always knew about Stellantis vehicles showing ads in the center screen, but recently saw it happen in person and was shocked. What can people do to protest this?

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  I looked up, you cannot opt out of those ads.

• 1:23:24Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  So people on Reddit and stuff are talking about just, you have to like disable via the modem or something to maybe get it to stop. And it's ads for like warranty service and things.

• 1:23:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  But you just can't disable it.

• 1:23:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Marketing notification. I thought, I mean, that, that is bad. Um, but I thought it was like ads for like, you know, deodorant and stuff. I thought it was like, there's a target a half a mile up on the right. You should stop, you know, that kind of stuff, like surveillance capitalism type of ads. Um, this is bad, but like, not as bad as I was picturing in my head. Still very bad. We get stuff like this on the Taycan, but we've disabled all notifications. So it actually doesn't show up. Hopefully, nothing important shows up.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:24:23Matt Farah?

  Which, by the way, Zach, we have to, we have to make the year update on the Taycan.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:24:28Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be a pretty boring video. Nothing's actually happened.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  It keeps working.

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  It does work, yeah.

• 1:24:36Matt Farah?

  USDM, thoughts on financing a project car? Hard fucking no.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Don't do it.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Just, just save until you can buy the stuff in cash.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  I get it, you're excited about the project and you want to get these parts and you want to kind of get the thing going, but like, I don't know what kind of loan you would get. You get a different kind of loan, whatever, there's all different sorts out there, but even just, you know, using credit cards, like, overextending yourself, I just think is always a bad idea. And, and then if the project doesn't go according to your imagined schedule, and they never do, I would find it double frustrating. Like, not only now am I behind schedule on this thing, or the car doesn't work, I couldn't drive it at the event I wanted to, or the part I bought didn't fit, I am also overextended on this thing.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  And you're making payments.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Or that, like, it's just so stressful.

• 1:25:26Matt Farah?

  Imagine your car's like in pieces and you're making payments. That's crazy.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  And then if something bad, if you lose your job, if you have a family emergency of some kind, now you are underwater on a project car and talk about something that will be hard to sell and you will get back pennies on the dollar. So, don't do it.

• 1:25:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. Have either of you driven in southern Ohio area? How do those roads compare to other well-known driving areas? Would that be a possible road and track trip location? We, I tried to do West Virginia, which is probably the best roads that nobody ever talks about. There's like nowhere to fucking stay, like, there's just, yeah, there's nice roads, but like, there wasn't anything else. I don't know what's in southern Ohio, to be honest with you. Where's, is Mid-Ohio the racetrack? Is that in southern Ohio? I think that's near Columbus.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Is it in the middle?

• 1:26:24Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't know.

• 1:26:29Matt Farah?

  I mean.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm also like, this is a real question.

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's probably in the middle.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  No, it's more towards the north.

• 1:26:41Matt Farah?

  Like.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  You're right, okay.

• 1:26:42Matt Farah?

  It is more towards the north than it is towards the south. Um, but the area between south of Columbus and, and like West Virginia, like that area, like, uh, is awesome driving roads, but there's nothing else there, unfortunately.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Mid-Ohio is in the middle from left to right.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But there's, but there's like nothing up there either, like, I, I don't, yeah. It's not, I mean, it's not an area that's known for its glamorous.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you said before, like, the components for the road and track thing are not just good roads. You also need a track. You also need hotels. You also need like.

• 1:27:20Matt Farah?

  Restaurants.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Restaurants.

• 1:27:21Matt Farah?

  Some other shit to do, yeah.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, there might be like city centers in West Virginia where that stuff exists, but you guys are covering a lot of ground that needs to exist out and about.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Scouting next week, I get to try like eight coffee shops in between.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:27:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, Carl's matzo ball soup. Pick between a BMW X540 and a Lexus GX550. Daily driver with six one-hour commutes each way a month.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  I didn't know Cash Patel was a patron. You're gonna switch the fleet to BMW.

• 1:27:54Matt Farah?

  They are?

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  They're talking about it, yeah. For, I think it's for like FBI executives or whatever it's called, like, they wanna use X5s instead of Suburbans, I think.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, but, uh, I mean, the Lexus GX is a truck, truck, like body on frame truck, drives like a truck. And so, for me, that's not what I would want to commute in or really drive around every day. Like, it just feels very trucky. It's supposed to. That's like its thing. The X5 is like a big car.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:29Matt Farah?

  So, that's kind of like, you know.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  I would go with that, with the four, with the, yeah, the 40. It's quick enough, smooth.

• 1:28:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  It's a nice car to drive, nice to sit in. Yeah.

• 1:28:41Matt Farah?

  Um.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  M3MA, have you ever encountered a car whose ECU forces you to follow break-in procedures from new? Have you, let's see, the Corvettes. Encountered is different than like bought, right? Like press cars. Like Corvettes have a rev, have an actual hard rev limiter for like a thousand miles.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  I think that's good.

• 1:29:17Matt Farah?

  I think your M3, the E46 M3s might have.

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Maybe, it might, when I cold, when I start it cold, like it's got, you know, the tack adjusts its low, whatever, yellow, red, rev limit.

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  I think the only one I've actually seen that has a forced break-in is Corvette. I haven't seen the other ones. Oh, and he said, no, and also he says, I said I save 95% of what I make. That's, that's not accurate. I don't save 95% of what I make. What I, what I said was, if I have, if I get a big fucking, if I get a big paycheck, whether that's my end of the year profits from the company, or I sell a car, or whatever, I give 95% of that to my investment people, and then I, I treat myself with getting something nice, 5% at, just so I am happy about, you know, you know, I didn't just make a whole

• 1:30:12Matt Farah?

  bunch of money and move some numbers from one place to the other, and I, you know, I did well at something, and I have like nothing to show for it. So, I don't save 95% of what I make. That would be fucking amazing, but I don't, no. I have my, not that it matters, but like, my salaries from my two companies, pretty much pay for my life, and then the profits from those companies go in the investment, to the investment people. But, I, I get, I pull bits of that out, and I buy stupid things like watches and cars. Uh, Uli Kunkels Autobahn, thoughts on the Nissan Zenismo facelift? And are they missing by not offering a T-top? T-tops could be fun. Uh, I agree.

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  A T-top could be fun. The facelift I thought looked nice, it was clean. I've only seen photos of it, I haven't seen it in person yet.

• 1:31:05Matt Farah?

  But I think it's a, it's a smooth look.

• 1:31:09Matt Farah?

  This fo- this for- front three-quarter shot that they've got of it is certainly a good angle.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good-looking car.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  I think this bar across the middle, that's new, right?

• 1:31:18Matt Farah?

  I think so.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  Four just as a big rectangle, I think that helps.

• 1:31:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, uh, and I mean, the Nismo is gonna be a manual, or it's gonna have a manual at least, so I am, I am, uh, definitely excited about that, cuz that was, that was real good, almost perfect, but four.

• 1:31:36Matt Farah?

  What else we got? Just a couple left. Uh, Ocean Parkway Blunt Rider, I can relate. I can definitely relate.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Pretty sure that name was made for you.

• 1:31:44Matt Farah?

  I can relate. Uh, question about the road and track trips. I'd love to go on one, but I drive a Mazda 3, it's a 2.5 with a manual, but will I just hold the group up and be useless on the track day stuff? I mean, look.

• 1:32:02Matt Farah?

  I would just say this.

• 1:32:05Matt Farah?

  Yes, probably. And it's not that we wouldn't welcome you as a human, and like, you don't, there is no minimum of a car. Some people have brought Miata's before. Uh, someone came in a GTI once, someone came in an 86 once. Um, but also, a lot of people rent cars. And so if you don't, if you wanna come on one of these trips and you don't have a car, rent a Corvette, or rent a Mustang. Like, they're, they're, it's, it's an expense, but they're not prohib- there's so many of them out there, like, they're not prohibitively expensive. Like, I don't know what it costs to rent a Corvette for a week, but it would probably add to the cost of the trip by like 10 or 15%, you know?

• 1:32:49Matt Farah?

  It wouldn't be, and you can get them from like Enterprise and whatever. I would just do that, rather than come on one of these trips in a car that's not really appropriate for it.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Especially because it's not a cheap trip. I feel like for a little more money than you're paying to go on the trip, you can make it a really special thing. So it's not like, not just holding the group back. Like you won't have as much fun driving your everyday kind of slow hatchback as you would if you rented a special thing to do this special trip.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  I agree with you totally.

• 1:33:19Matt Farah?

  Travis Pastrami on Rye Country Day School. That's pretty impressive.

• 1:33:25Matt Farah?

  That's the town that I went to school in. I went to Rye Country Day School. And for the first like month when I moved there, I couldn't stop thinking about it being named like bread. You know, because I was a little fat kid and the town is named like bread. And then I never like thought about, I never got the two, put the two together again after that.

• 1:33:44Matt Farah?

  How prevalent would you say is the dependency upon electronic driving aids like ESC among faster enthusiast canyon drivers? And is this a form of quote cheating? Or worse yet, a dangerous practice? I'm trying to make sense of these sometimes ludicrous speeds I see pedestrian cars doing in the canyons in addition to videos in my IG feed of people overdriving their cars. And I'm missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention on my canyon drives? No, you're seeing videos of people driving like assholes. And like, people are going to do that. Now,

• 1:34:23Matt Farah?

  whether there's ESC or not, people are going to drive like assholes. I don't think that's a, that people drive like dicks because the cars have ESC. But like, it does allow them to do things that like you probably shouldn't, you know, be doing. And it does make you not have crashes you might have had. I mean, certainly if you apply throttle in certain ways, ESC will very, very much save you from doing something dumb.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:54Matt Farah?

  But like, your last sentence, am I missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention on my canyon drives? Like, let me just say that I am not the arbiter of speed in the canyons by any means. And if faster cars come up behind me and I will move over to let them by and whatever, like, I would hope someone would do the same for me. But like, as long as you're not being a shitbag and crossing the double yellows, or then, you know, go whatever speed you're comfortable going, for real. But like,

• 1:35:25Matt Farah?

  If you're getting into like ABS and traction control, like you're going too fucking fast. It's a public road. Like it's not, in my, I don't know, again, I'm not the arbiter of all things, but like my morality versus the legality, like the legality of the speed limit, I'm willing to risk that. You catch me, you catch me, I'll see you in court. But like, that's the law, okay, fine. But the morality, when people ask me about like turning off trash control on the street and shit like that, I'm like, most of the, I'm just like, you need to go that fast? Like, you know, is that, it's really get, because like,

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  you can go so fast down a public road and just not be using the kind of throttle inputs that would elicit traction stability control and not be braking so late into that corner.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:18Matt Farah?

  Like, why are you ABS braking into a corner on the street?

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  Especially with, with modern traction, traction control being as good and nuanced as it is, you, if it's interrupting, it usually means you're doing something incorrect. You know, especially if you have sticky tires and all that stuff, like, you shouldn't be nudging that. And if you are, it's because, like you said, your inputs are wrong, your, your speed is too high going into the corner. So I see it, I think Baruth put this in an article years ago, but it was like, look at it like, you know, kind of a black flag or a yellow flag of your driving. What are you doing wrong that is causing the car and the computer to save you from yourself?

• 1:36:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  So I think, uh, I, they say that they're trying to limit ESC intervention on their drive. Like, if you're doing that by driving correctly and smoothly, I think that's a great thing to do. I think if you're, if you're seeing those lights come on all the time, or someone else is seeing the lights come on all the time, then they are driving poorly.

• 1:37:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Harlequin E63 AMG says, uh, FSD is going, uh, subscription only, starting in mid-February, and there's an interesting tidbit, only 12% of current Teslas on the road have FSD. That's not surprising. I mean, I imagine like very few people are taking it new because it's not good. I am and it's expensive and and they know that he really should only be using it on the highways and that's autopilot and that's free. Did you did you see that California did beat Tesla in court?

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:37:51Matt Farah?

  California DMV.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:37:52Matt Farah?

  And so I think there's an appeal. I'm sure there's some kind of other appeals they're gonna do. But it's a California judge found that that the the names autopilot and full self-driving are misleading and Tesla has to either rename them or stop selling cars in California.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  They're obviously gonna appeal. Do you have this? Did you find the story?

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  I think, yeah.

• 1:38:16Matt Farah?

  It's from like five or six days ago.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  Oh, this one's from like three weeks ago.

• 1:38:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, I don't know. Let's see, is that?

• 1:38:24Matt Farah?

  California right, uh, so wait, regulate? No, this may have been.

• 1:38:33Matt Farah?

  Uh oh. Oh, no.

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  California judge rules that Tesla misled customers.

• 1:38:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 01

  That one?

• 1:38:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, is that? Is that this?

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  That's from December 16.

• 1:38:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, I guess I guess it was a month ago, huh? And this is from December 17.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:46Matt Farah?

  So the DMZ, the DMV says the stay 90 day stay is give time to remedy remedy them, right? Yeah, so the DMV ordered the sales suspension, right? But then they said they have 90 days to either rename the system or stop selling cars, I guess. So they then, I believe, appealed.

• 1:39:07Matt Farah?

  But it's nice that like, oh, what's that 10 years, 10 years later?

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  They get around to it.

• 1:39:14Matt Farah?

  Eventually, California will do the right thing once they've tried everything else.

• 1:39:20Matt Farah?

  All right, what do we have left? Oil leak Olympics, last one. I've noticed there's a ton of Fisker Oceans being used as Ubers in New York City. On the one hand, this makes sense because drivers likely got them for cheap. On the other, it seems risky to use one for your job. I think this is a fleet company that has them and drivers come pick them up and use them. I think there's like a couple of companies that bought a whole bunch of them. And you as a carless person who wants to drive rideshare, can you rent them like by the day or by the week or something? Pretty sure. And then they're servicing them.

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a company called American Lease that is managing some of the existing fleet. Individual owners bought some and some other companies too.

• 1:40:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I read a story from a couple of weeks ago about a company in New York that had like a bunch of them that was using them for Uber.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  Wow, from Autopian. One of every five Fisker Ocean sold in America is now being used as a taxi in New York City.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:40:24Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, American Lease bought basically all of the inventory. What a bold thing.

• 1:40:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Company was like, we can make them work.

• 1:40:32Matt Farah?

  We'll buy all of them for like five grand each. You know what I mean? And then, by the way, we'll hire all your techs, you know? We'll hire, give us your like your 10 best techs to open a service depot, you know, in Hell's Kitchen.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  They bought them for 14 grand each.

• 1:40:49Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. It'd be really cool to know like how the techs were able to fix what Fisker couldn't. And just make, because I guess they went, look, the hardware is fine. It's got a battery that holds power. It's got motors and the steering and the brakes work. The rest of it, who cares? So maybe it's just like the simplest RC car now and all the other features are just off. I don't know.

• 1:41:10Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  Oh, American Lease contracted Indigo, a Massachusetts-based startup, to manage the software.

• 1:41:19Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Cool. Got it to work.

• 1:41:22Matt Farah?

  Man.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  What a weird thing though.

• 1:41:24Matt Farah?

  Life finds a way.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  Life finds a way.

• 1:41:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, that's fun. Thank you, guys. Good show today. We'll have another one this week before I go do 1,000 miles in an electric Lucid. Gravita. Gravite? I bet the Graviti has real comfortable seats. Bet it's got good seats.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  I bet it's gonna be very nice to cruise in.

• 1:41:49Matt Farah?

  Nice to cruise in. 300 miles at 90 miles an hour. That's how Lucid rolls.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  I think you can drift it also because

• 1:41:56Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Jack from Savage Geese had some pretty sick pictures up of their track test.

• 1:42:02Matt Farah?

  I will have to Dorifto this thing. We will find somewhere. Gravity finds a way. Thanks, everybody. Talk to you next time. Bye.