Claire Foy

We’re in the presence of royalty this week, it’s award winning actress (and phenomenal Queen Elizabeth II) Claire Foy! Mum really pulled out all the stops to make the most regal of afternoon teas for our star of 'The Crown' - homemade madeleines, mini trifles and even coronation chicken sandwiches. Claire is fresh from making her latest film 'H is for Hawk' and we heard all about the training process she went through to become a Goshawk handler. We also discover Claire is a sucker for a dessert, would love to star in Six The Musical, is always surprised when actors want to work with her, loves a Cosmo, she suffered for years with stomach parasites, loved working with Brendan Gleeson, and we discover her dream meal is her mums special home made spag bol, which has been recreated by her all over the world perfectly! Claire’s new film 'H is for Hawk’ is out in cinemas now, and it’s beautiful. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:57Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I am in Clapham with Lenny.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:03Jessie Ware?

  You're in a bit of pain today.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  My periwateritis.

• 2:07Jessie Ware?

  You what?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  I don't know, some sort of spasm in my bottom. So beware.

• 2:12Jessie Ware?

  Okay, sorry about that.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14Jessie Ware?

  We're doing tea today, afternoon tea, fit for a queen.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  I hope so.

• 2:19Jessie Ware?

  We have Claire Foy coming over, who is just like an incredible actress.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Wow, she's so.

• 2:25Jessie Ware?

  One of the greats.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26Jessie Ware?

  Queen Elizabeth, obviously, in The Crown.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  Perfect. She played such an interesting bit.

• 2:32Jessie Ware?

  It was really good, I think, yeah.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Where she falls in love with Prince Philip and she's so beautiful.

• 2:37Jessie Ware?

  She played Andrew Scott's mother in All of Us Strangers, which was heartbreaking.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  And she was amazing in it.

• 2:45Jessie Ware?

  Amazing. I mean, she's been in so many things.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47Jessie Ware?

  But most recently, she is in H is for Hawk, which was, is an adapted memoir, which is about grief, really. And this woman, an academic, who gets a goz hawk. If somebody said they had a goz hawk, I wouldn't know what they were talking about. Now I would.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  But when he came out, when they had the little helmet on, I thought that's how their heads were. I didn't realise she had a helmet on.

• 3:11Jessie Ware?

  The helmet's quite fat.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's strange, isn't it?

• 3:13Jessie Ware?

  It's supposed to block the hawk's eyes. Anyway, I now know loads about hawks and I'm quite amazed that Claire Foy's co-star was a hawk.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:22Jessie Ware?

  And she acted well with Mabel.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  She was bloody good with the hawk as well.

• 3:26Jessie Ware?

  Amazing.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:28Jessie Ware?

  So because Claire was coming in the afternoon, I'm sure she's been doing press all day.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:34Jessie Ware?

  It's a funny time for food.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  It is.

• 3:36Jessie Ware?

  So you've decided to do an afternoon tea.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  I've done an afternoon tea fit for a queen.

• 3:40Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  So I've done little mini quiches.

• 3:43Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  I've done coronation chicken sandwiches.

• 3:45Jessie Ware?

  Do you think she's so sick of everyone being like, coronation chicken?

• 3:48Speaker 03

  She doesn't have to eat them.

• 3:50Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fair.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  I've also done mini trifles, because everyone loves a trifle, and I've made madeleines, which have nothing to do with the queen at all.

• 3:59Jessie Ware?

  What about Lily Allen?

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Oh, well, I didn't think about her when I was making madeleines, darling. So I've made madeleines because my... Fabulous chiropractor, said he makes them all the time, probably, yeah, as he was concentrating on my bottom, said he makes them all the time and he's mad about them and they're so delicious. So I thought I'll have a go at doing those and they come in a nice shape.

• 4:22Jessie Ware?

  Did you have Madeleine?

• 4:23Speaker 03

  No, I bought the Madeleine moulds.

• 4:25Jessie Ware?

  Okay, amazing. Well, we'll be having Madeleines for.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  A lot of Madeleines we'll be having.

• 4:30Jessie Ware?

  Lovely.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  And then, from what I heard, the Queen Mother, and the Queen used to share this with her, they used to have, at the late afternoon, after tea I should imagine, a Dubonnet and gin.

• 4:44Jessie Ware?

  What is Dubonnet?

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Dubonnet is a vermouth, it's a red vermouth.

• 4:48Jessie Ware?

  So it's a bit like a groney?

• 4:50Speaker 03

  It's a bit, well, it's a bit like martini because it's a vermouth, isn't it?

• 4:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, amazing, yeah.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Anyway, we're going to see if she fancies one of those, but I've also got on ice, in the fridge, some Cosmos, because like myself, she's a Cosmo girl.

• 5:05Jessie Ware?

  How did you find that out, in the research?

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Probably reading about what she likes.

• 5:10Jessie Ware?

  So, yeah, we're really excited to have Claire Foy coming on Table Manners and having afternoon tea with us. Claire Foy, coming up.

• 5:30Jessie Ware?

  Claire Foy, welcome. Thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you. And you. Um, Mum has something to say, what would you have to say?

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Well, I wanted to know whether you wanted a cup of tea.

• 5:39Jessie Ware?

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Or a Cosmo, because I know you like a Cosmo, darling.

• 5:43Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my God, it's been a really long time. I can't get hammered, I have to go on television. If we fill your tummy, then you can have a Cosmo. I don't know, I don't really drink anymore. Oh, okay, but then, no, no, but I, but not, I mean, I don't drink as I used to. Which for me is really disappointing. Well, then the worry is that I will just get smashed and then let it all come out.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Jessie hardly drinks at all, unlike her mother.

• 6:08Jessie Ware?

  Well, maybe I can nurse it.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  So, hold on a sec, the other thing on offer.

• 6:12Jessie Ware?

  Oh, right.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Obviously a cup of tea.

• 6:15Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, have one of them.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  I was very excited because I read that the Queen's mother and the Queen used to partake of a kind of late afternoon, a Dubonnet and gin. Did you not, did you do that on the crown?

• 6:30Speaker 04

  She doesn't do that. See, I heard she wasn't much of a, definitely the mother was.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  On the sauce, yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  But I don't, the queen was not much of a drinker.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  I think she used to share it with her mum. They'd probably watch Countdown together and, and drag Gigi Bonet and Jim. So I did get Gigi Bonet and Jim.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Is that the blue spherical?

• 6:49Speaker 03

  No, it's the, that's, it's a red bottle.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Oh, I always thought it was.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  So it's a red melon.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Maybe we're just like, so we can have an opinion on it. I'll have a sip of it, but Claire did retch when you said that. Jim is not, not my friend.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  So you could just have a cup of tea if you want, babe. I did bring my own tea bag. Oh my god. Why Noel Gallagher?

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Why?

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Did Noel Gallagher bring his own tea bag? Yorkshire tea by any chance? No, no, no. I've bought, I don't have caffeine anymore either. So I have TikTok.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Oh, you better give me one of those.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm not gonna push a cocktail on you if you're a rooibos gal.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  I think she better not.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  I think maybe we don't wanna know where this will end.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  We'll give her one for the, we'll give her a can to take home.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Can I have it? And I can just sip it and you won't be mortally offended if I don't drink the whole thing?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  I'll finish it after.

• 7:31Speaker 04

  Okay, great. Perfect. Let's share a cocktail. When did you stop drinking caffeine?

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Um, oh, quite a few years ago. I had parasites. Gross. Shouldn't bring it. No, I love this. Did you do this from like a blood test or like a stool test? Yeah, gross stuff. Because you were having issues with your tummy? I kept losing weight and I didn't know what was going on. Mate, I don't wanna keep that fucking parasite. But also like, no matter how, I was just like, I'm eating everything. I was so hungry. Where do you think you got it from? Morocco. Yeah. And that I'd had it quite a long. How many years did you have it? At least five years. Yeah. I may travel as a pair, I got told by the doctor. Gross. Absolutely rank. It's disgusting.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Anyway, so that's why I gave up caffeine because I had to give up, I basically had to go on this diet and take all these like, non like, cause I didn't wanna take like really hardcore antibiotics and stuff like that for it. So I'd take all this gross stuff. And part of that was giving up caffeine and I was like, once you've given it up, it's such a mission to give it up. But I was like, well, maybe I'll just give it a go of not. Yeah, the headaches are so bad. When you give it up, aren't they? Yeah. I mean, and I was a real kind of like, I drank at least 15 cups of tea a day. And then like I had my two coffees that I had staged. Thank you. Oh god. That looks very pleasing. Okay.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Just think of them there together.

• 8:57Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Watching Counting.

• 8:58Jessie Ware?

  I know.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  It's like Lenny and Jess.

• 9:00Jessie Ware?

  What's it?

• 9:01Speaker 03

  I feel like the Queen Mother and you can.

• 9:02Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  It smells like a shit mix. Do you remember when you do that when you were younger, you just pour anything in, hon? Cheers.

• 9:13Jessie Ware?

  Cheers.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Cheers.

• 9:14Jessie Ware?

  La cai.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 9:15Jessie Ware?

  Shabbat shalom.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Cheers.

• 9:17Jessie Ware?

  Cheers, right, hang on.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Wow darling.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm really happy with my choice.

• 9:21Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  That is like what me and Zoe Pilger used to make when we were like trying to sneak things out of the drinks cabinet.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  It's what the Queen made darling.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  Wow, she was a wild one. Wow. Woo. What are you gonna do with the rest of that Dubonnet?

• 9:36Jessie Ware?

  Drink it.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  Get, get, you'll get through it, don't worry, it's fine.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  No, it's quite bitter.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  So.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  It's a light bitter.

• 9:41Jessie Ware?

  Congratulations on the film.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 9:44Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. How's it feeling?

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Uh. I mean, I've had some time to get used to it now. When it first, when we did, when at first people started first watching, I felt very, very, very strange about it.

• 9:55Jessie Ware?

  Is that how you feel every time that you, really?

• 9:59Speaker 04

  And I've always been slightly, other actors who go, I've really struggled to let go of things. I always was a bit like, I don't like, I'm fine. Like when I finish a job, I'm sort of quite, I'm always just quite sort of glad that it's over. Um, but with, and I was glad this one was over, but I wa, I just, it felt really, really like close. It felt a bit, I was, you know, a bit raw and it was very intense to make, amazing to make. But, um, yeah, it felt like a bit of a strange thing for people to watch. It was sort of like people having cameras in my house. It felt like.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  It felt very intimate, I have to say. Cause it's such a study of someone's grief and, and sadness and depression really.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I don't really feel like, like it was quite a lonely thing to make.

• 10:45Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I'm sure it was.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Me and some.

• 10:47Jessie Ware?

  The hawk.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, some hawks.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  Does the hawk, where is Mabel now?

• 10:52Speaker 04

  There are five. Five of them, so she's all up, she's scattered across the country.

• 10:55Jessie Ware?

  That must have been really hard because the whole premise of the relationship with the hawk is that you have to get to know each other, the hawk has to trust you. You had to do these whole kind of, obviously these were like pro hawks that are like acting hawks, whatever, I don't know, no.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, they, they, they are kept, so Rose and Lloyd Buck, who are the sort of trainers, but sort of basically the hawk gurus. They have many birds, two of them are eagles, they've got swans and they have only ever really shot like David Attenborough in natural history before. They don't do like dram, like long form kind of film like this. They would have like a uh, you know, like a raven that would be in something. And so they've got all these incredible birds. But the gos hawks are notoriously like really difficult to train and just like, no, I'm not, not filming today, sorry.

• 11:47Jessie Ware?

  Like the biggest diva on set was the gos hawk.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I suppose diva, but you know, wore it very, very loosely, like not like, um, not demanding, just, just very in their own. They're just like.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  But the, and they, the whole, the whole issue is that they don't connect, they don't show affection, they're not responsive.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  I suppose not in like a conventional dog or, you know, pet way.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Do you think any bird, I suppose budgies do.

• 12:11Jessie Ware?

  Or budgies parents.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, they do connect, but the whole thing about the hawk was the lack of connection. And you need to connect because of its, because of the connection with your dad.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. And Helen speaks about in the memoir about that wanting to be more like Mabel, like wanting to sort of.

• 12:31Jessie Ware?

  Mabel's the hawk.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  Mabel's the hawk, sorry. Yeah, Mabel's the gos hawk. And wanting to kind of, because the pain of losing someone is so overwhelming and massive, like massive, that they wanted to kind of be like this bird of prey that seemed to have no, you know, didn't feel these emotions and was able to kind of like absent themselves and be disconnected and that that was easier than being a human being, which it is. But, um, but that didn't really work because Helen fell in love with Mabel and Mabel fell in love with Helen.

• 13:02Jessie Ware?

  It's it's really tender and it's quiet film and it's kind of grand in many ways with the landscapes and that amazing shot of Mabel catching the rabbit.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:12Jessie Ware?

  Like, all of it and and the ideas are big, but it's actually a lot of the shots are you sitting with Mabel in, well Helen sitting with Mabel in the flat and the house and it's quiet, it's very quiet and I wonder how, working with a hawk, which isn't an actor.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 13:32Jessie Ware?

  How challenging that was for you. Was it the weirdest form of improvisation ever?

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I suppose it's like a really like distilled version of improvisation. I suppose it doesn't really change, does it? I mean, acting is about, I mean, for me anyway, is always about that other actor. Like, basically, I, whatever they're doing, I'm interested in what they're doing and watching and listening what they're doing and therefore that helps me not think, be self-conscious, basically. And it's, you're always invested in what the other person is trying to do and you're trying to find out why they're trying to do what they're doing and all that sort of stuff. So it wasn't really any different for me, for, you know, my approach to acting. It didn't feel any different. It just felt really, really like it was on speed because you were with a wild, wild creature. And whilst also having to be open to the idea of where the hell the scene was going to

• 14:21Speaker 04

  go, also know as the only actor in the room that I had to make it go somewhere for me and also for Mabel. Like, I had to make sure that she wasn't doing something that would be inappropriate, you know, you know what I mean? I had to be in control of lots of myself and the bird as well at the same time, which was was bizarre because normally you're, you can be, you know, you can be surprised by the other actor, but you both know that you're trying to get to the same goal.

• 14:44Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  A lot of the time Mabel was like, I'm, no, I'm not, I'm not going where you're going.

• 14:48Jessie Ware?

  So was it quite a lot of reshoots or?

• 14:50Speaker 04

  No, no, no. So we actually did less takes. We just did longer and we just did longer takes. So the first kind of like, there's a scene in it, one of the first Manning scene where I sort of take off Mabel's hood.

• 15:00Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  We just did that and one, one take and it's one long kind of sequence of events from when I take her hood off and all that reaction is reacting for me.

• 15:10Jessie Ware?

  Were you frightened?

• 15:11Speaker 04

  No, I was never frightened. I mean, I was frightened before we started shooting because I didn't know what to do. And I knew I had to build up such a level of skill in such a short space of time to make the film even possible.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  You weren't frightened she was going to attack you?

• 15:23Speaker 04

  No, because they don't want to attack you. They're like.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  They're going to kill it with a bad head.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  I know. Well, that's but that's very specific to something that happened, which was that Mabel was like, don't take that map, as in like, give it back. Um, which is sort of like, I think, and and I suppose maybe it just because I see it from Helen's perspective, that I find that to be quite an understandable thing. That's my mistake as the human being, as the falconer, who went, let me take that. And you're, you know, you're never supposed to do that. You have to get off with them something to be able to get the food.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Is there someone in this country that makes helmets for goshawks?

• 15:59Speaker 04

  Well, they're really fat. They really are, aren't they? I've got a couple.

• 16:03Jessie Ware?

  Next Halloween is going to be.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  I am a goshawk.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  But there's something, there's something, yeah, there are. There's like, oh, websites, lovely things you can get.

• 16:11Jessie Ware?

  They're like slightly S and M as well.

• 16:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's all, yeah, quite sort of dominatrix. Yeah, sex dungeon-y kind of vibe. Yeah, there's something, there's something great about it. Well, there is, isn't there anyway, about the whole, it's very medieval, the whole process.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Yes, it is.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Um, but yeah, they still, you know, roaring trade. And someone who sells all the chicks that they eat.

• 16:30Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, that was a chick. I thought it was like a cuddly toy. No, it was a fucking chick.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Well, it was awful when you had to give the lecture and then they attack you for

• 16:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  allowing films to be killed.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  I know. But it's sort of, it's like you have to let that concept in. You couldn't really make the film without acknowledging

• 16:47Speaker 03

  That.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  that that is an animal rights issue.

• 16:50Jessie Ware?

  You're kind of a voyeur to some, yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Like, you've got to have that conversation. And Helen's never afraid to have that conversation. And I think a lot of falconers aren't afraid to have that chat and be like, yeah, interesting, okay. How so? Um, but obviously at that point in the film, I'm not really able to have a kind of logical conversation, really.

• 17:09Jessie Ware?

  I presume the book got options straight away for a film, no doubt.

• 17:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:13Jessie Ware?

  But so has it been quite a long time in the making of making this film? Or have you been involved for a while?

• 17:18Speaker 04

  I think other people got the option, like, I think it was like in. The like nitty gritty of the business of it. I think someone got the option when it came out maybe and then what ends up happening, I think, is that people hold on to them and it never happens. But Dee Dee Gardner, who produced the film, she came to me with it when we'd done a film together called Women Talking.

• 17:38Jessie Ware?

  Which was incredible.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks. I like that one.

• 17:41Jessie Ware?

  It was unbelievable.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's a brilliant film.

• 17:44Jessie Ware?

  And like, you know, oh.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:47Jessie Ware?

  The cast and every. You actually got to act apart like with, you know, humans in that one. Well, no, hold on.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my god, amazing.

• 17:57Jessie Ware?

  And also Brendan, like, I mean, it's an amazing cast in H for.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  It is, which is always surprising whenever like I'm, when I'm, I'm the first person attached, I'm just always pretty, everyone's gonna be like, no, no. I just, I'm so surprised. No, like I just, I just presume.

• 18:14Jessie Ware?

  You're like.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  You're like. She's a queen, Jessie. Yeah.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  No, but I just presume, you know, it's like that thing about who wants to go to their own party, like who, you know, like you were part of that you're invited to, no one wants to go to it, actually like, why am I invited? But I sort of feel like that. And so when Brendan said he would do it, I was like, oh my god, why? And then Denise, I just was, and then Lindsay Duncan, I was just a bit like, um, surprised, basically.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Are they all your best friends now?

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Um, not my best friends. Fran's not my best friend.

• 18:45Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, well, we have, we have a connection. I just like blurted it you whilst, as you were taking your shoes off.

• 18:54Jessie Ware?

  Some, a chartered friend who I grew up roaming the, these clever streets. Um, Frances Macey O'Neill, you went to uni with.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  I did.

• 19:03Jessie Ware?

  And we knew of you and I think actually Fran was very much, I remember when you promised, which was one of your kind of.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, fabulous.

• 19:11Jessie Ware?

  And I think we were all talking about it.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  We're all proud of you because you're a family's friend.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Thrilled. Oh, well, no, because Fran was the first person that I met on the first day of university. We lived in the same like weird sort of house. And she was the first person I met and I fell madly in love with her. And then that was it, yeah, for three whole years.

• 19:32Jessie Ware?

  You did some, yeah, okay, cool.

• 19:36Jessie Ware?

  So, what did you have for breakfast today?

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Oh god, actually today was a random, I fried an egg and I put it on some toast and I ate it.

• 19:45Jessie Ware?

  Why is that random?

• 19:46Speaker 04

  I don't normally do that, so normally, normally I would have like, so I planned on doing exercise this morning and I attempted to and I drove and then I drove past where I'm supposed to be doing the exercise.

• 19:57Jessie Ware?

  What were you supposed to be doing?

• 19:59Speaker 04

  You know, strength training, Pilates.

• 20:00Jessie Ware?

  Well, so you had a date with a personal trainer?

• 20:03Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 20:03Jessie Ware?

  You were just doing it yourself? Oh, a class?

• 20:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:05Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 20:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I just, I just sort of kept driving after I dropped my daughter at school.

• 20:09Jessie Ware?

  You didn't fancy it?

• 20:11Speaker 04

  I just was very tired. I did a lot of yakity yak yesterday and I just was like, I think I just need to sit in the house on my own.

• 20:19Jessie Ware?

  And did you have a nice morning then?

• 20:21Speaker 04

  It was a nice morning, I had a bath, had my egg on toast.

• 20:23Jessie Ware?

  I love having a naughty bath in the day when it feels like it's not supposed to be.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  And the boiler's not supposed to be on, but it is.

• 20:29Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I love that for you. Did you watch anything in the, in the tub?

• 20:33Speaker 04

  No, what did I do? Well, I washed my hair, you see, so that takes a lot of effort.

• 20:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay. That is even greater.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Thank you, what does it mean I didn't do it myself? Because it would not if I did.

• 20:44Jessie Ware?

  It looks really clean.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Really squeaky squeaky clean. Um, but yeah, normally I would do, so if I was doing exercise, I'd do like a protein sort of smoothie situation.

• 20:54Jessie Ware?

  Do you actually enjoy them? Or is it more?

• 20:56Speaker 04

  I do enjoy the one that I make, man, oh god, avocado. A pear, random. I don't do, so, so this is my big secret. I feel like I'm in the traitors or something and I'm letting everyone know that I'm related to someone. So I don't actually eat gluten or sugar, but listen to me, no, but listen to me, except when I go out for dinner.

• 21:15Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Okay, so this is a really, don't worry everybody.

• 21:18Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine. Um, so you're just kind of quite strict when you're not?

• 21:21Speaker 04

  I'm very strict, but I love falling off the wagon when I'm out for dinner.

• 21:25Jessie Ware?

  Are you gonna come up in a rash on the one?

• 21:27Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I'm not allergic.

• 21:29Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  And there's so much fucking

• 21:36Speaker 04

  In everything.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  That's amazing. Oh my God, they look great.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  You're really about to fall off the

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Shut up. Are you so excited?

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Bit of like the Queen stuff.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  No, I mean, well, I wouldn't associate this with with her really, but um.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  We did.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Very good, very good. Well done, everyone. Very good.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Is that a trifle?

• 21:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just thought you might fancy it.

• 22:02Speaker 04

  My granddad loved a trifle.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  I love a trifle.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  I mean, aren't they just?

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  The custard, the cream.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  I know, everything.

• 22:09Jessie Ware?

  So you were talking about your smoothie?

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:11Jessie Ware?

  Before we brought all the gluten and the sugar onto the

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:14Jessie Ware?

  Onto the stage.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:16Jessie Ware?

  Um, and you just told us you don't eat gluten and sugar.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:19Jessie Ware?

  But you seem okay about it.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  I'm thrilled, yeah.

• 22:22Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Because I don't, the majority of my, I except Christmas, that's sort of non-negotiable. And like, you know.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  And podcasts.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  And podcasts.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  It's Christmas.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Especially this podcast, yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Or like if you go to a really nice restaurant and they have the bread with the, with, you know.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  You're gonna do it.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  Like J. Shekis or something like that. Then I eat that bread a lot.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  But then it doesn't, it doesn't have an impact on me. It's just because I have an autoimmune condition. So I should avoid

• 22:46Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  Anything which causes more inflammation.

• 22:49Jessie Ware?

  Okay, well, eat up and enjoy.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Right, so there's the little asparagus quiche and they're just ones with like

• 22:56Jessie Ware?

  Have you ate these, Mum?

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:57Jessie Ware?

  They look really cute.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Do they?

• 22:59Jessie Ware?

  Thanks, Mum.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm going in.

• 23:01Jessie Ware?

  Okay, please go in.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  That's got bacon in.

• 23:04Jessie Ware?

  So let's like talk about family. You just mentioned your grandfather loved a trifle.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Loved a trifle.

• 23:10Jessie Ware?

  Who was around your dinner table when you were growing up and what was a very memorable dish?

• 23:14Speaker 04

  So around the dinner table would be me, my brother, my sister and my mum. And my mum was looking after three children on her own and is a very, very good cook. And she would, her spag bol is legendary.

• 23:29Jessie Ware?

  Why is it so legendary?

• 23:30Speaker 04

  I've got no idea. And she can recreate it in any country because I've taken her with me in many places now. Because she helps me look after my daughter when I'm working and She literally has made it in Berlin, she's made it in Atlanta, and it's always the same. Doesn't matter what tomatoes she's using. She puts flour in it. Mm, and she browns the mince separately to put, like putting the tomatoes in and stuff. For a very long time, which I don't have the patience for. So I think that's probably it. But none of us can do it. None of us can get it right. So it will die with her. I've tried. And my, my daughter loves it. It's just very, yeah, she's great. It's really great.

• 24:10Jessie Ware?

  I, I saw something on Instagram yesterday about how apparently if you have three children. You are the most stressed version of a mother. You may as well round up to four and you'll be less stressed.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  See.

• 24:22Jessie Ware?

  Apparently three is chaotic.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  How many did you have?

• 24:25Jessie Ware?

  Three.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  How was it?

• 24:27Jessie Ware?

  It was fine.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  It was chaotic.

• 24:29Jessie Ware?

  Was it?

• 24:31Speaker 04

  I'm receiving it now, wasn't it?

• 24:32Jessie Ware?

  We were the party house.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Anyway, so your mum's bag bowl legendary.

• 24:37Jessie Ware?

  Yes, still is.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Do you like these, by the way?

• 24:40Speaker 04

  I love coronation chicken. Did you have to eat a lot when you were like promoting being Queen Elizabeth? No, I didn't eat any.

• 24:46Jessie Ware?

  Oh. Little finger sandwiches.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  You looked so glamorous as the queen. I mean, I never thought of her as, as glamorous as you made her look. You made her look wonderful.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  I certainly didn't feel glamorous.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Glowed with the love she had for Philip. Yeah, I do.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  And Amberlyn, you've done Amberlyn, you've done all the queens. I went to see Six the Musical at the weekend.

• 25:11Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  We went really fun.

• 25:12Jessie Ware?

  I've never seen it.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  She's seen it. Um, she's, she's about to be eleven.

• 25:17Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 25:17Speaker 04

  She loves it, absolutely loves it.

• 25:19Jessie Ware?

  What a great idea for a musical.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Genius. We've got the soundtrack.

• 25:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:24Jessie Ware?

  Beheaded, die.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  I mean, in my dream life, I would be Amberlyn in that musical.

• 25:30Jessie Ware?

  She was fab. She was fab. Can you sing?

• 25:34Speaker 04

  No, not at all. Have you tried to learn for any roles? Well, I mean, I I went to drama school for a whole year and they tried really hard.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  And I just kept giving get the singy, like the the speak singy songs. Yeah. So I got Whiskey Bar by the Doors. I think the the Bertolt Brecht, like the. Oh, shall us. Anyway, no, don't make me.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Well, you probably have been in Hamilton.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  What, with rapping? They're very good singers. You see, you have to be really good singers to do that.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  But they do some of it is kind of like speaky singy.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  It is, but you. There is tongora and. Yeah, you have to really be in control of it. And I just, I'm not, I'm all over the show and it's a disaster.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Well, the quiches did not.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  I'm going in for another one.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  Quiches are great. I'm doing all my.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Asparagus.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Asparagus.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Delish. Coronation Chicken is amazing. And that's not out of the packet. You have made that.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  No, I made it.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  I poached the chicken last night.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Gee.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And made the trifles. Yeah. Just, I always like people to know how hard it's been. No, don't.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  I think you should. When you've cooked for people, you make it.

• 26:38Jessie Ware?

  Just add that you were at a funeral as well.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  No, we went to a funeral yesterday in Manchester. So we, um, and we got back and I felt.

• 26:45Jessie Ware?

  No, no, it's pleasure. It's a pleasure.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a pleasure. And I watched your film as well.

• 26:51Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Jesus. That was like a big day of grief.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  It was a big day of grief. Yeah, it was weird watching the film, having been to a funeral of someone that we were very fond of. Well, it was a cousin, but, um, it she was female, but it was kind of, it was, yeah, it was touching watching H for Hawk because of your, your grief, really.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  I mean, I find funerals, but I mean, silly thing to say, I find funerals very hard.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  I don't know, why? It's strange. Um, I just, I find them, you know, because I've been to quite a few of them and I've been to ones of people very close to me. And then I've been to ones of, you know, when you're in a supportive role, I suppose.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  And it, I've just, I'm told, me and my sister are absolutely horrendous. We can't keep it together. And I just find them.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  We were weaky, weren't we?

• 27:39Jessie Ware?

  No, but it's, it's funny you say the thing that we can't keep it together. Me and my friend Frankie, we were at a friend's funeral in the summer and. She said, oh, good. You're gonna cry just as much as me. Thank God. Cause she like, she was so aware that she was gonna be a weeper.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:55Jessie Ware?

  And uncontroll-, do you know what I mean? Some people can be more stoic or brave or whatever. I don't know.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  Good on her.

• 28:01Jessie Ware?

  No, it like comes out.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  And it's uncontrollable. And I think, um, yeah, and really hard to like, when I did the eulogy and, um, I've done a eulogy before and doing the eulogy at, um, you know, Brendan's funeral in the film was so, it was so real. It was like, cause the whole, you know, um, you know, all the guests, guests, the congregation.

• 28:25Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  Um, were all there. All the S A's were there. And so it just, it was just so, um, and I had to stand up. I was sitting in between my, my brother and my mum, Lindsay Duncan and Josh, and I was sitting there about to go up in that moment when you know you've got to stand, you're like, oh God, it's happening, it's happening.

• 28:41Jessie Ware?

  Heartbeats.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It was all, yeah.

• 28:44Jessie Ware?

  The last thing I saw Brendan Lee so much was Banshees.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Oh, amazing.

• 28:48Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. He's so good.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  He's really.

• 28:50Jessie Ware?

  It was really beautiful. Your scenes together. It was so, they were glorious scenes together.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  I just, I already loved him. Um, and he just wasn't a letdown even remotely. He was even better than you could possibly imagine, which is nuts, really.

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• 31:40Speaker 03

  These look like enormous mini trifles they're not very mini are they?

• 31:44Jessie Ware?

  No they're not but I'm enjoying it all I'm gonna have another sandwich mom I'm actually quite hungry I've realized.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  All right.

• 31:51Jessie Ware?

  If we were coming around to yours.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  Oh god, yeah.

• 31:53Jessie Ware?

  What are you cooking for us?

• 31:55Speaker 03

  I mean I dread it.

• 31:56Jessie Ware?

  What's your showstopper?

• 31:57Speaker 03

  I don't have a showstopper I find.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Cooking for people who come round, I find I'm very self-conscious. I mean, my best, best mates, I'd make like a lasagna or roast chicken. Or one year for New Year's, I made like a big massive pasta. Cause one of my best friends is vegan, so you can do multiple different things. Um, but none of it's like, here's my thing, guys, none of it's a showstopper at all. And I would much rather like order sushi and go. There you go, I've made no effort, sorry. Cause then I wouldn't be judged. I get, I get being judged about, um.

• 32:33Jessie Ware?

  Do you order in?

• 32:35Speaker 04

  I cook at home, like I cook at home if I'm not like entertaining, I'm cooking, but um, I just don't like being judged by it, I don't know why. It's weird.

• 32:43Jessie Ware?

  Like, it's funny, cause you do a job that I guess.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:47Jessie Ware?

  Do kind of judge performances, don't they? Do you find that's a bit quite difficult or not?

• 32:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:52Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Everyone's entitled to that, but like, I'm not really bothered. Um, and I think that I also have like this weird thing where I, once it's done, it's done, like I don't. It's almost like it's not me anymore, I'm not really attached to it, I don't kind of, yeah, it's bizarre. Um, but cooking, but cooking for some reason, yeah, I would. Yeah, with my family and my, my, my best mates, I wouldn't be, I'd just be like, here, I'm nurturing you, eat it.

• 33:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  But yeah, if it was, you know, if I'm entertaining, I would be like, oh, good God.

• 33:22Jessie Ware?

  Do you entertain a lot though, and it's just ordering, cause you know, like, that's also fine.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, um, I do, I'd like to do it more.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  I think that given my job, I spend a lot of time with people all day, every day.

• 33:37Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  And so home is quite like, I'm like, oh, yeah, sacred. Um, I've always got people around, but I suppose I'm, yeah, I'm not, I'm, I'm not much of a sort of. I don't know, I think that's my New Year's resolution is to do it at least once a month.

• 33:53Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna join you on the Cosmo, and Mum, do you want one?

• 33:55Speaker 03

  No, thanks.

• 33:56Jessie Ware?

  Do you want that?

• 33:57Speaker 03

  No, thanks, I think I'm all right.

• 33:59Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Um. Would you like a trifle?

• 34:02Speaker 04

  Now, I can have one or the other. I can have a Madeline or I can have a trifle.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  I do. Go.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  Can I try both? What happens if I don't eat them? Do other people eat them?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Doesn't matter.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm going in. Look at this, what a combo. That is a, look at that.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Is that good?

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Now, they call that something, on Bake Off, they call that mound, something.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  The mound, I don't know.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  And when people, um, when they did that on Bake Off, a lot of people didn't get the mound, so there you go.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Wow, there you go. First time, luck.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm gonna, these look great, Mum.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  These are very light.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  Oh my god, they're delicious. They're just like little, little delicious sponges, and you can put, you can put raspberries in the middle, can you? Once I did raspberries in the middle, we could put lemon curd in the middle of it.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  Oh my.

• 34:47Jessie Ware?

  Do you have baker?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  I'm much more of a baker than I am a.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  How do you keep the lemon curd in the middle?

• 34:51Speaker 04

  You just smoosh it in.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  Mmm. You just, yeah, it bubbles out.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Do you like them?

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Really, really great.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  Kids love them as well, they're just so.

• 35:03Jessie Ware?

  I always get the, what are they, the Bon Maman ones?

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, in the little plastic, yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Do you want a trifle?

• 35:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:09Jessie Ware?

  I want it all, Mum.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Go on then. Your next role is with Richard E. Grant?

• 35:14Speaker 04

  Yes, well, not next, I, yes, I've done.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  The, it.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Magic Fire Way Tree is my next one.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Yes, and that's the Enid Lytton book.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  It sure is, yeah. Where's that coming out? Is it a film? March the 27th?

• 35:27Speaker 03

  Your voice or your actual person?

• 35:29Speaker 04

  My whole person, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that, it's not, um, it's not animated as such, obviously, there's lots of CGI in it because they're making a magical tree. Um, but I'm mum, I'm Polly in that. And then, yeah, I think it's now called Savage House.

• 35:42Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  It was called something else and we shot it, and, um, that is with Richard, yeah.

• 35:46Jessie Ware?

  Would you ever do, do you do producing? Do you produce anything?

• 35:49Speaker 04

  I mean, I, like, like most people probably did in my industry, in lockdown, I like opened a production company and it's done nothing, and I'm actually, I've spoken to my accountant, I'm gonna shut it down.

• 35:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh no, don't, don't.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Well, no, because I just don't, I've been, um, like, involved in the early processes of things, and it's really, it is really, really interesting. And it's interesting to have your opinion kind of listened to, which obviously doesn't happen a lot as an actor. But it's not my vibe, I'm just not, I just, I'm not, I'm not a hustler in that way, I'm not. I find that I can sometimes be quite jaded about the industry in the sense that I really believe that something should really be worth being made. And I, and I think other people do it brilliantly, and I just could never do it. I could never be Margot Robbie, that's just never gonna, I just can't do that, I have no ability to do it. It's not in my remit.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  But didn't you do that at uni?

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Cinematography.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  No, I did, I studied film, yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I was never gonna be, I mean, my, I thought I wanted to be a cinematographer, but I had no photography experience, so that was never gonna happen.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Okay. But like, how much experience can you have when you're eighteen, do you know what I mean?

• 36:56Speaker 04

  Well, you know, you can know about how to open an aperture and all those sorts of things, and I didn't know that. Um, but also I looked into applying and um realised that this one particular course accepted like six people and all of them had always been men. So it was like a di- different world then. Um, and I just didn't, I didn't necessarily have this, I didn't, I didn't, I suppose I didn't know anyone who did this. So I didn't know what the jobs were, really, in a way. I didn't know what the jobs were on a film set or a TV. You know, I didn't really know how to get into it, so. Um, yeah, uni was really interesting, but it definitely wasn't a producing, producing such a like specific skill. You have to really push that boulder up the hill, even if people tell you no all the time.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Do you do, what was your last theatre?

• 37:40Speaker 04

  My last theatre?

• 37:42Speaker 03

  That you went, that she went to see?

• 37:44Speaker 04

  No, that she, she did. That I did was, um, oh my god, is it probably Lung, Lung's that I did in, that I did pre-lockdown twenty nineteen and then we did a version of it during lockdown.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Would you do more theatre?

• 37:56Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, that's the dream, really. I'm always like looking out for stuff and I, I struggle, I don't really wanna do any sort of classical, necessarily reincarnations of things, you know, I don't wanna really do Medea or. Yeah, I don't wanna do my version of something just because it's quite like the cooking, I just, I feel like you're just opening yourself like to judgment, I suppose in a way. Um, and but I love new writing and because when I left drama school, new writing was the bit like raw court and. So much, so yeah, so much emphasis was on it and I feel like it's sort of those, some of those writers have just gone to TV. You know, to make a living and I just, yeah, so I'd love to do some new writing, that would be the dream.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Um, Last Supper.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:38Jessie Ware?

  Starter, main, pudding, drink of choice.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Okay, so I'm gonna have a pasta for starter.

• 38:45Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Oh, which one? Your mum's bolognese?

• 38:48Speaker 04

  Well, that would be big, wouldn't it?

• 38:49Jessie Ware?

  Maybe I'll do my mum's bolognese, just a small portion.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  I mean, really, I was gonna go for just like a really classic, like tomato and basil. Mm, yum.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  But I just think pasta, I love it.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:00Jessie Ware?

  I wonder, can you eat spelt pasta?

• 39:02Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:03Jessie Ware?

  Oh, sure.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  But gluten-free pasta is really great.

• 39:06Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, has it got better?

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my god, yeah. I mean, the garafaralo.

• 39:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 04

  Whatever it's called, yeah. Their one's great. It's like corn and rice and stuff.

• 39:14Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Um, so it's great, but I wouldn't choose, you know, I tend to not choose to supplement, do you know what I mean? Like with other things, gluten-free, I just don't have them. Um, yeah, so it'd be a pasta, and there's no restrictions in my last meal because I'm gonna die.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  So I'm gonna eat all.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  You might, uh.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Get a reprieve.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, so pasta with some of the nice fancy bread that you get in restaurants with the really salty butter.

• 39:37Jessie Ware?

  Jay Sheeky, I need to go to Jay Sheeky's, because Brian Cranston, no, Brian Cranston was talking about.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  You've never been.

• 39:43Jessie Ware?

  Never been.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 39:45Jessie Ware?

  Oh, let's go with Fran.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  She'd love it.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  I'm gonna have a Dover sole.

• 39:50Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:51Jessie Ware?

  Um, okay, so you're doing some nice bread.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:54Jessie Ware?

  A pasta.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then main, oh, this is really hot, isn't it? No, my last meal.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  Really?

• 40:02Speaker 04

  No.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  A big Dover sole?

• 40:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:05Jessie Ware?

  Is that yours?

• 40:06Speaker 03

  I love Dover sole, actually, and Brian Cranston reminded me how much I liked it. Now, I would have probably Christmas dinner, because it's one of my favourite meals.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I'd have a roast dinner.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:16Jessie Ware?

  Which, which meat?

• 40:19Speaker 04

  So I tend to always have beef, because I never make it at home.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  So maybe beef?

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Yorkshire.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Lots of gravy.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Can you make them?

• 40:27Speaker 04

  I can, to vary, they always taste great.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Ugly as sin, and also I just think, like, varying degrees, I never get the fat hot enough.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  What are we having for a drink? I'm an entire bottle of red wine.

• 40:41Jessie Ware?

  Okay, which red wine are we doing?

• 40:42Speaker 04

  A really expensive one. Anything over fourteen percent. My agent told me is the way to go. Anyway, basically, anything over thirteen is good.

• 40:52Jessie Ware?

  Or just good gauge.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  Getting drunk.

• 40:54Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  That chateau alone that I used to buy was fourteen.

• 40:58Jessie Ware?

  Jerome Alonie said.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  My wine, darling.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  She said it's so strong, it's fourteen percent.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  I don't agree with a light bodied red wine. I don't understand.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  I just, both of us have just got into Pinot Noir.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  And I hate myself for getting into it because I was like, Pinot Noir is like for pussies, right?

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  It doesn't sound like it is, though. It's got a big name.

• 41:18Jessie Ware?

  Are you more of a Barolo gal?

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'd say so. I can't, I like, I mean, who knew? But I like, you know, New World wine, as they call them. I like a Californian wine. Love it. Um, yeah. So an entire bottle of red wine and a margarita. Spicy or not, not a fuss.

• 41:36Jessie Ware?

  What is your pod?

• 41:38Speaker 04

  I find this very hard because I like anything sweet.

• 41:42Jessie Ware?

  You've talked about this before.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Even though you don't have sugar.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Addicted. Yeah.

• 41:46Jessie Ware?

  You've been really good at like.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  I know. Well, because now I've really trained myself. I'm like Bill Nigh- Bill Nighy. I loved his.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  We know.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  I mean, I want to be on his WhatsApp group about not eating sugar.

• 41:57Jessie Ware?

  Do you want me to get you in?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  I mean, I would again be intimidated, but, but yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Oh, he's like, Alice produces podcasts.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  Sugar, so I probably can't. I probably can't be on the group now.

• 42:06Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, you're like, you're fair weather.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  I had an issue with it as a kid. Like, I would, I was absolutely like out of control.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Did your mum not let you have sugar?

• 42:17Speaker 04

  No, she did. And in fact, my mum was a terrible one for buying Marks and Spencer's cream cakes, like a Claire's and like shoe buns. She was a real thing for sort of, you know, pastry items. Um, and so, no, it wasn't that there wasn't lack of it. It just, I just fucking love the stuff and I could just, on, on, on. But, but now if I have too much, I feel nuts.

• 42:36Jessie Ware?

  You know, I, um, I don't know if this is allowed because I guess it's still sugar, but I, there was this thing on TikTok.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Don't judge me.

• 42:45Jessie Ware?

  What are you watching?

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Immediately judging you.

• 42:47Jessie Ware?

  No, I'm not really.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  But you're gonna try this. I know you're gonna try it. Okay. Greet yogurt.

• 42:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Love greet yogurt.

• 42:54Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Lotus bischofs. You know those biscuits?

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Oh, god. Also one of my grandad's absolute favourites.

• 43:00Jessie Ware?

  Let's talk about your grandad, because you've brought him up twice. I wanna know a bit more about him.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  People used to buy him, you know, Costco, like, like, family pack, massive things, like, you put in a shop.

• 43:10Jessie Ware?

  Is that the lotus?

• 43:11Speaker 04

  The hairdressers. Yeah. You get a lot of your coffee. You love them.

• 43:15Jessie Ware?

  Lotus, and you get them in the, in the hairdressers, in the little individual.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  Anyway, so that with greet yogurt.

• 43:20Jessie Ware?

  Yes, you put them in, like, it's really satisfying. You just shove them into your greet yogurt.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:24Jessie Ware?

  Put it in the fridge. Apparently it tastes like cheesecake.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I bet it does.

• 43:28Jessie Ware?

  And like, kind of.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Oh, cheesecake's great.

• 43:30Jessie Ware?

  But apparently everyone's going mad for it. So I've, I've done an experiment. I'm gonna try it later. I'll let you know how it goes.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  While you're watching traitors?

• 43:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Great.

• 43:37Jessie Ware?

  And scrolling the new recipe on TikTok. Yeah, sure. Working out what we're gonna feed, you know, don't know who we're gonna get on next week, anyway. And so that sounds like a, a deli- hold on, we didn't actually, no, we didn't get a pudding.

• 43:50Speaker 04

  It's because I can't decide. But I think it would be.

• 43:52Jessie Ware?

  You have a trio?

• 43:53Speaker 04

  I love, I mean, yes, I'll have a trio. I love a classic pudding, so I love like a jam roni poli with custard. When I was at school, when I was at secondary school, I used to use my lunch money to buy a sausage roll from the tuck shop at break time and then just a pudding at lunchtime. I just used to eat just a pudding. So I'm not really, I don't care how awful it is. Like, if it's like a school sponge, like chocolate sponge with no flavouring, with like custard on top, I'm very happy. Um, so maybe a jam roni poli, or I love profiteroles, um, with ice cream or cream.

• 44:28Jessie Ware?

  Have you made your own profiteroles ever?

• 44:30Speaker 04

  No, I have not.

• 44:31Jessie Ware?

  I feel like you could.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I've done the, I've done the pastry.

• 44:34Jessie Ware?

  Very easy.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've done the pastry. I'd like to do the filling. That would be satisfying.

• 44:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Um. But basically, anything on any list of any, love a creme brulee, love, I mean, I love them all. So I, I, maybe I could have one of those trolleys.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  That is all the.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  The old fashioned trolley, yeah, I used to love that.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  I would like that whole thing and then I can just choose, like in Jurassic Park at the end where they're eating jelly. Don't like jelly, but um, but.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  Neither do I, there's no jelly in the.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  No, I noticed. Lovely, lovely touch.

• 45:03Jessie Ware?

  Um. So if we weren't going to Jay Sheeky's, where else are you loving eating? And well, you've been, you filmed everywhere. Is there a very memorable meal from your travels?

• 45:14Speaker 04

  There is a place in Seville and I can't remember its name, which is terrible, but it's got a fish on the side. And it's like a, you do, I hate tasting menus, absolutely hate them with a passion. Only ever like tasting menus I've done, I get very anxious and worried that I'm not going to eat and I don't. Then I'm by like, you know, course four, I'm full and then just feel terrible. And they're always really expensive. So I don't like tasting menus. But I went to this place in Seville and they have this tasting menu and it was all like kind of ceviche and all these, this beautiful seafood and. Um. And a different glass of wine, like a mini glass of wine with each course. And that was incredible. I can't remember the name of it.

• 45:52Jessie Ware?

  Because you were drunk.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  That's helpful. Yeah, because I was drunk. But it was really great. It had stainless, it was stainless steel inside. It was just really, really great. But yeah, I've had so many, I just live, I plan my whole day by what I'm going to eat. I can't, I, yeah, I can't waste a meal.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Do you not, do you know in the morning what you're going to eat in the evening?

• 46:10Speaker 04

  Not necessarily, no.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Jessie knows what she's going to eat the day before.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  You're like my sister, my sister plans her shop.

• 46:16Jessie Ware?

  You know what, I don't, I know, I, I, I over order actually, that's the problem me and my husband are trying to work on. Um. Because he's just like, you bring, I was like, yeah, we've got a roast chicken, we've got a chicken supreme, we've got options. Um. So what did you have for lunch?

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Well, I knew I was coming here.

• 46:33Jessie Ware?

  So you hadn't had lunch?

• 46:34Speaker 04

  Well, I had me, I had some cheese.

• 46:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, that's okay.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Crackers, because I thought it was a happy medium and a pair.

• 46:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, let's talk about this smoothie with the pear. You like a pear?

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Well, because I don't feel like it. I mean, it's a sweet fruit, but bananas have got too much sugar in them.

• 46:48Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  So normally in my everyday life, I don't eat bananas. I tend to avoid apples. I only have like berries, basically, because they're the least, they've got the least sugar in them. Um, and pears, for some reason, I feel like are okay because they're, because they've got so many good benefits. They're good for your heart, you know, so I let pears through.

• 47:06Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Pears are good for your heart.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  They are.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  I didn't know that.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  My mum says that. My mum says that about everything.

• 47:12Jessie Ware?

  I mean, she also gave you like cream pies and what's it, eclairs and.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  My mum sounds great.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Apples are supposed to reduce your blood pressure.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  I mean, all, anything that grows from a tree's got to be good for you.

• 47:23Jessie Ware?

  Well, speaking about nature, just to bring it back to the film a bit, you know, it's obviously is a kind of celebration and um, a respect for nature with the way that you watch the hawk kill and there's these beautiful scenes of landscape like, did you, did you find a newfound appreciation or were you kind of already a bit of a kind of fan of, yeah, and the natural, I mean, it feels like you, you know a bit, so.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Well, no, I mean, I already was like, so I grew up in Manchester until I was about seven and then I moved to Buckinghamshire, which is sort of countryside, but it's still sort of like commuter belty, I suppose. But so I went on lots of walks as a child and.

• 48:05Jessie Ware?

  Did you enjoy them?

• 48:06Speaker 04

  I absolutely hated them. Well, they were always really long.

• 48:09Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, my mum had this book and they, I'd just be terrified because she'd take a page out of this sort of AA guide to walks and be like, what are we doing today? Eleven miles? Um, yeah, like cruel. Um, hated them, but now I love a walk. Um, and I, yeah, I'm.

• 48:29Jessie Ware?

  Does your daughter love a walk?

• 48:30Speaker 04

  No. I mean, she does. She's very, very, like, she loves climbing a tree. She loves getting dirty and she always loves it when she's on it and never wants to go home, but it's getting around the house.

• 48:40Jessie Ware?

  I know that one.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  It's a pain in the arse. Um, so, yeah, I already had an appreciation, but not from the point of view of like birds of prey or anything like that. Where I grew up in. Buckinghamshire, they reintroduced red kites. So there was like a real period of time where red kites were quite a big deal, you know, in the Aylesbury Vale area.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  And it's got a particular tail.

• 49:00Jessie Ware?

  So when they introduced them, what they like.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  Rothschild family reintroduced them, yeah, because they were, they weren't native to here anymore, they weren't, they're extinct. And so they bought them back and then they bought them back. But they're basically taking over all wildlife. Like the parakeets.

• 49:13Jessie Ware?

  Oh, the parakeets are a nightmare.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  But they're apparently, they really are a nightmare.

• 49:16Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  They are in round here.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're taking over, they're like killing off different birds.

• 49:22Jessie Ware?

  We're never gonna see a gos hawk in the sky in London, are we?

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Or anywhere else.

• 49:26Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Really, really, not reclusive, but they're really, really private. They don't, you'd have to go, you're lucky to see one in the wild. And obviously, numbers are dwindling as well.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Are they kind of ones that go in a pack, like together? They're very solitary.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  So they're not going to say, like your hat, with the other gos hawk.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  Lovely hat, where did you get it from?

• 49:47Jessie Ware?

  Thanks, you're looking good.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  I haven't seen that colour before.

• 49:49Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, there was that moment in the film where I thought that the hawk had made a friend, but no, he was gonna kill the bird.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I was like, oh, sweet, take a flight. Oh, met a little mate, so let's have fun. I mean, because I'm so. Don't know anything about nature or birds. So I was like, ask you.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Well, no, because they, the females often kill the males. Wonderful fact. Um, and, but yeah, they don't, they sort of tend to mate and then they separate. And then obviously, they bring up the young, but that doesn't happen very often, you know, it's very rare. So they're, they're, yeah, very isolated birds.

• 50:28Jessie Ware?

  What was the most taxing or testing day on set with, I don't know which bird was.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. I mean, there were a lot.

• 50:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Um, oh, my God, that's a really hard question because.

• 50:42Jessie Ware?

  Walking through Cambridge, was that quite hard or not?

• 50:45Speaker 04

  That was hard because of the humans, not because of the birds. Because there's just lots of, I'm sort of amazed in those situations that lots of people just don't notice. They don't notice that you're sitting there with a.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  Do you think so?

• 50:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:56Jessie Ware?

  But weren't they extras?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  No, they're ordinary people. We couldn't afford that many extras.

• 51:01Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay, I thought they were extras.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  No, no, no. And they, so people would take photographs of me with the bird and think that I was like a sort of, you know, well Helen did walk around Cambridge.

• 51:13Jessie Ware?

  An eccentric.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Mabel, yeah.

• 51:15Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  So that's, I've never seen anyone.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Is Mabel still alive?

• 51:18Speaker 04

  No, Mabel.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Um, when did she die?

• 51:21Speaker 04

  A couple of years after the film set, she got a fungal infection, which girls also, you know, sometimes get. But Helen still has a jar of her feathers, of Mabel's feathers on her desk.

• 51:30Jessie Ware?

  Sweet.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  I know.

• 51:32Jessie Ware?

  Before we let you go.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 51:34Jessie Ware?

  Can you, I mean, it's Madeleine's today, which is very pretty and a nostalgic taste that can take you back somewhere.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  God, I don't want to say school sponge because I don't really want to go back to school.

• 51:47Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Probably, this is quite gross, but probably my nan and grandad's house and a fry up with black pudding frowned upon.

• 51:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  And a really crispy bacon and an egg. And there was, there was always more people than you thought would have stayed over. So you'd get two pieces put on your plate of bacon and then one would be taken away. Um, and you'd, and you'd always be like, you know, it would, you'd have to defend your plate. But um, I think probably, yeah, a fry up at my nan and grandad's house where the dog, Zuki would also get a fry up and cups of tea in his dog bowl. Yeah.

• 52:24Jessie Ware?

  Zuki.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Zuki.

• 52:25Jessie Ware?

  What kind of, what kind of dog?

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Irish Red Seta. Absolutely mad, mad dog. But yeah, that would probably be that.

• 52:32Jessie Ware?

  Clef Way, thank you so much for coming on. And good luck with the film. It's really beautiful.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Oh, that's.

• 52:40Jessie Ware?

  And you're fantastic. You are fantastic in everything.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 52:44Jessie Ware?

  You are.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  You are, you're brilliant.

• 52:47Jessie Ware?

  It's always such a thrill and a pleasure to watch you on the screen because you are.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 52:51Jessie Ware?

  An absolute star.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:53Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much. Honestly, I love watching you in everything that you do.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  That's on France, right?

• 52:57Jessie Ware?

  No, no, I'm saying, I mean, it definitely helped me know who you were when you were in the promis, right? Um, but, but I honestly, you are phenomenal in everything that you do.

• 53:23Jessie Ware?

  Claire Foy, so fun and lovely.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  Just gorgeous woman.

• 53:28Jessie Ware?

  And like talented and self-effacing and just wonderful.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Just fabulous, just like a normal human, not really royalty.

• 53:37Jessie Ware?

  Loved her.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Just lovely. She ate all the food.

• 53:41Jessie Ware?

  She did.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:42Jessie Ware?

  Even though she's got autoimmune disease.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  Then she doesn't eat gluten or sugar and the whole thing was gluten and sugar.

• 53:49Jessie Ware?

  It was high on gluten and sugar.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  But if someone had told me.

• 53:52Jessie Ware?

  Well, she did, she did say. We love her, we love someone that's willing to

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Have a go.

• 53:58Jessie Ware?

  To flare their autoimmune disease up. We appreciate that. Thank you, Claire Foy. H is for Hawk is out now.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  She is wonderful.

• 54:07Jessie Ware?

  Really wonderful. It's a really interesting film. And if you've read the book, then you should absolutely go and watch it. But if you haven't, it's just seeing her with five gos hawks. It's, she's, she commands every scene.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:21Jessie Ware?

  And she's amazing. Mum, the food was great.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Oh, was it?

• 54:25Jessie Ware?

  Loved it.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Good.

• 54:26Jessie Ware?

  Like really had to hold back on those finger sandwiches.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Did you?

• 54:29Jessie Ware?

  You and the finger sandwiches are just.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  It's one of my strong points.

• 54:33Jessie Ware?

  How, what do you do?

• 54:34Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 54:35Jessie Ware?

  You do the right quantity of filling.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  Because I like sandwiches.

• 54:41Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  And I think if you like sandwiches, you know how to make a good one.

• 54:43Jessie Ware?

  Maybe you should open a sandwich shop.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Okay, just in my spare time.

• 54:47Jessie Ware?

  In your spare?

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because I don't have much on.

• 54:50Jessie Ware?

  The madeleines are delicious.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  So easy to make and I feel really accomplished.

• 54:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, they looked really impressive.

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Worth buying the moulds, wasn't it?

• 54:59Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, yeah. I'm going to take that time.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  I'm going to text Joe and say, big hit.

• 55:04Jessie Ware?

  Because the chiropractor.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. He told me to use the more complicated recipe, but I think that recipe was just used.

• 55:13Jessie Ware?

  Give them a shout out.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Good food.

• 55:15Jessie Ware?

  Were they called Easy Madeleines?

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they were lovely. And it's fifty fifty fifty.

• 55:21Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I love it when it's that.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Fifty of that.

• 55:24Jessie Ware?

  That like little crunch around the end.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that was just a tribute to the silicon moulds.

• 55:30Jessie Ware?

  Wow, I loved it. Thank you for watching and thank you for listening and we will see you next week for more table manners.

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