Suranne Jones

We said it last week, but this time it really does feel like the hottest day of the year… joining us for lunch is the gorgeous actress Suranne Jones! Star of Doctor Foster, Vigil, Gentleman Jack, and a Coronation Street icon, and this week we caught up to talk about her new TV project, ‘Hostage’. We heard about growing up in Chadderton (and how mum used to go horse riding there!), how she met her husband at a wedding, filming Vigil during Covid lockdowns, setting up her own production company, admitting she isn’t the best cook and we even hear about her love of witches - and the Channel 4 documentary she made about them! This episode has been a very long time coming, Suranne, you were totally worth the wait as you are a total delight! Suranne’s new series Hostage launches on Netflix on the 21st August. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:36Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I am in Lenny. You're looking so glamorous today, Mum. Why, darling? I don't know. Maybe it's the green. I have literally rolled in from Glastonbury. Yes, I know. And so this is why my voice is slightly husky. I've still got the hair slicked back from Saturday night. Yeah. So apologies for the visual on this because... Did you have a lovely time? I had such a great time. Yeah. Stayed in camper van. I know. Had a really nice time. Made cups of tea and bacon bats in the morning. And you could sit down. Yeah, it was great. I loved it. Romi would come over with her wife to come and say hi and we'd have a little chat and a debrief of our night because we were in the same field. Who was your favorite? Alanis Morissette was incredible.

• 2:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:21Jessie Ware?

  The Maccabees was phenomenal.

• 2:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:24Jessie Ware?

  And I was very lucky to perform on the Saturday night.

• 2:27Speaker 06

  With the best kid of the whole thing.

• 2:29Jessie Ware?

  Which was, I'd never heard a crowd scream like that. And the football chant for Sir Ian McKellen. Sir Ian McKellen. It was bonkers.

• 2:44Jessie Ware?

  It was really, really fun.

• 2:45Speaker 06

  Good.

• 2:45Jessie Ware?

  I had the best time ever, but I am a bit croaky and need to maybe sleep a bit more.

• 2:49Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 2:50Jessie Ware?

  Um, saw lots of people come up to me, um, saying they love the podcast.

• 2:55Speaker 06

  Good.

• 2:55Jessie Ware?

  Um, love Lenny, asked if you were there.

• 2:58Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:59Jessie Ware?

  No. Don't fancy it anymore, not for you.

• 3:01Speaker 06

  No, not for me.

• 3:02Jessie Ware?

  Sure, mum's waving a fan because it is the hottest day of the year, I think.

• 3:05Speaker 06

  Sodding year, darling.

• 3:06Jessie Ware?

  Um, so we have the brilliant Saran Jones. Love her.

• 3:13Speaker 06

  So excited.

• 3:14Jessie Ware?

  She's, and guess what?

• 3:16Speaker 06

  What? She comes from Chaderton, where I used to go horse riding.

• 3:20Jessie Ware?

  Oh, well, that's quite.

• 3:21Speaker 06

  Isn't that weird?

• 3:22Jessie Ware?

  Where is Chaderton?

• 3:23Speaker 06

  It's beyond Middleton, just near Heaton Park.

• 3:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh, she's a Manc. She's a Manc?

• 3:29Speaker 06

  Proper Manc. Well, she's Manc, she's Chaderton.

• 3:32Jessie Ware?

  What, is there a difference?

• 3:33Speaker 06

  It's just outside Manchester central, I don't know if she's clubbed in Manchester.

• 3:37Jessie Ware?

  Saying like, you know, um, when people say, when they're from like Winchmore Hill, they're not really in London.

• 3:42Speaker 06

  Kind of a bit.

• 3:42Jessie Ware?

  Okay, got it. Um.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  No, she's Manchester.

• 3:45Jessie Ware?

  So, um, I, you, not only have you looked after my children this weekend.

• 3:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:50Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much. Had a really good time with my gorgeous nanny though, didn't you?

• 3:54Speaker 06

  I had a lovely time with the nanny.

• 3:55Jessie Ware?

  Loads of drinks, you had a party.

• 3:56Speaker 06

  I flew in from LA on Wednesday morning. I then did the Arches podcast.

• 4:02Jessie Ware?

  With Emma Freud.

• 4:03Speaker 06

  With Emma Freud, the guy who plays Will Grundy. And the writer of all the Arches, and now I know everything you would need to know about poaching.

• 4:12Jessie Ware?

  Mum, maybe you should get in the writer's room for the Arches.

• 4:14Speaker 06

  Maybe I should be on the Arches, a guest appearance.

• 4:18Jessie Ware?

  Is that fun doing nothing?

• 4:21Jessie Ware?

  The fan, mum, you're gonna have to put the fan down.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  Darling, do you want me to look sweaty or fanning?

• 4:25Jessie Ware?

  I just want the people to hear the dulcet tones of Lennyworth.

• 4:28Speaker 06

  Okay, I love doing it. I love Emma Freud and she's joined our clap and WhatsApp archers group.

• 4:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh my gosh, love it. So what have you made today? It smells lovely.

• 4:40Speaker 06

  It's so hot. I've made an onion tart tatin.

• 4:42Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 4:43Speaker 06

  With roscov onions that I got delivered that cost me sixteen pounds for the kilo.

• 4:48Jessie Ware?

  Wow.

• 4:49Speaker 06

  Got them delivered from Amazon and then I've made a lemon herb creme fraiche thing that goes on the top of it.

• 4:57Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 4:58Speaker 06

  A salad and then I've done a watermelon rose trifle with strawberries. Who knows what it's going to be like, but it has been chilling for a while.

• 5:08Jessie Ware?

  What's so special about roscov onion?

• 5:10Speaker 06

  I don't know darling, they're supposed to be particularly sweet. I hope it's nice.

• 5:15Jessie Ware?

  So, Sir Anne Jones is coming on to talk about her new Netflix show, Hostage.

• 5:21Speaker 06

  Oh, I've watched three episodes.

• 5:23Jessie Ware?

  I think I've watched four.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  Oh my goodness, it's compelling.

• 5:27Jessie Ware?

  She can explain it when she gets here, but basically she plays the prime minister and stuff goes down.

• 5:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's very, very exciting. It's dramatic, exciting. She's played so many different parts.

• 5:40Jessie Ware?

  She was in that submarine one, what was that one? That was so good. Vigil, that was so good. My gentleman Jack?

• 5:47Speaker 06

  Gentleman Jack, yeah. She's also played a GP, Dr Foster.

• 5:52Jessie Ware?

  Dr Foster, that was so good.

• 5:55Speaker 06

  She's a bad girl in that, yep.

• 5:57Jessie Ware?

  She's not a bad girl in it.

• 5:58Speaker 06

  She is, she's, she plots against her husband.

• 6:02Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, because he's an asshole.

• 6:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was. He deserved it, but she's just so good at everything she does.

• 6:07Jessie Ware?

  She's so brilliant and she's a bit of a treasure to us and this hostage show is really dramatic. Like it felt slightly like twenty four almost, like the drama of it.

• 6:19Speaker 06

  Going, yeah.

• 6:20Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and.

• 6:21Speaker 06

  Julie Delpi.

• 6:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh yeah, before sunrise and after sunset, is it?

• 6:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, she plays the French prime minister.

• 6:30Jessie Ware?

  It's really, really, really good and you're gonna love it and we'll be chatting to Sir Anne about that. I've met her very briefly.

• 6:37Speaker 06

  Where darling?

• 6:38Jessie Ware?

  No, we've DM'd each other, that's what's going on. And she said that she wanted to be on the podcast ages ago. Let me see, we've DM'd.

• 6:46Speaker 06

  She was in Scott and Bailey. Do you remember that?

• 6:50Jessie Ware?

  No, I didn't watch it.

• 6:51Speaker 06

  I loved it. She was with Lesley Sharp and Amelia Bullmore.

• 6:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, listen, Sir Ann Jones has been a fan of Table manners since 2020. That's when she slid into my DMs saying, "Love your podcast, keeping me company on my walks."

• 7:03Speaker 06

  Oh, good.

• 7:04Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, so I'm very excited about this. Anyway, Sir Ann Jones, coming up on Table manners.

• 7:24Jessie Ware?

  Sir Ann Jones, welcome to Table manners. Finally, we have you at the table.

• 7:29Speaker 07

  I'm so excited to be here. It's been a long time.

• 7:31Speaker 06

  You shouldn't have bought that beautiful bowl. It's so absolutely gorgeous.

• 7:36Speaker 07

  I was brought up very well. I wanted to bring you flowers, but I think maybe it was shut the flower florist because of the wilting.

• 7:45Speaker 06

  All the flowers are wilting, yeah.

• 7:46Jessie Ware?

  Well, I think you've done better, Anne.

• 7:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think I have. Jessie's got her eye on it.

• 7:51Jessie Ware?

  No, I can see it's very good depth.

• 7:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:53Jessie Ware?

  How are you?

• 7:54Speaker 07

  I'm all right, thanks. Yeah, good, busy.

• 7:56Speaker 06

  Exactly how I imagined you'd look, just as gorgeous and warm and everything, yeah.

• 8:01Jessie Ware?

  Um, can I just say something right now?

• 8:03Speaker 06

  What?

• 8:04Jessie Ware?

  Sir Ann's got a scrunchie in, Mum.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 8:06Speaker 07

  Oh, you, no, again, scrunchies.

• 8:08Jessie Ware?

  She's like of a Carrie Bradshaw.

• 8:11Speaker 06

  Carrie Bradshaw, no scrunchies.

• 8:12Speaker 07

  Oh, sorry.

• 8:14Jessie Ware?

  But I've got, I've got them in, Sir Ann.

• 8:16Speaker 06

  She says people from New York wouldn't wear scrunchies.

• 8:18Jessie Ware?

  They would now.

• 8:19Speaker 06

  Do you think?

• 8:20Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 07

  So under here is bleach blonde, so not for the hostage role, but for a role I've just done. So she's come out of prison. She's a fraudster. And so it's all like bleach blonde and I had it, it goes like that gingery colour as well.

• 8:35Jessie Ware?

  Like you've just done sunning or something.

• 8:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. So I'm on my way there again now. So it needs a good toning. So right now it's not good. You know, like the condition's not good. So the scrunchies are going to be here for the summer, I'm afraid.

• 8:46Speaker 06

  You look great, though, in hostage. I loved it when you slicked your hair back.

• 8:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, really cool. For the, like, the dinner.

• 8:53Speaker 06

  The dinner, I loved it.

• 8:55Speaker 07

  So, so my makeup designer, Lena, I was out at the yesterday for her 40th. She's so brilliant. And so I had an idea that I would chop my hair off for it. And then we got this amazing hairdresser called Lewis Byrne and he did that like shortcut with a little flick. So it's the it's a wig at first and then as many, you know, like politicians do, they either look awful within the first month. Or they have like things that are gonna like take them less time, like a shortcut or whatever. So we did that for that. But my son fucking hated it. He was like, why don't come and pick me up at school? Why do children hate it when you cut your hair? Because you don't look like mum. Yeah, all my daughter wants is my long ponytail back. Yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 06

  Saran, I used to go horse riding in Chaderton.

• 9:40Speaker 07

  Did you? How? What what like how?

• 9:43Speaker 06

  Because I lived in Presswich.

• 9:45Speaker 07

  Oh, right.

• 9:45Speaker 06

  That's where I'm from.

• 9:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 06

  So and the the horse riding was in Chaderton. And it was in the kind of it was in the shadow of a big mill. Around that way, yes. And so and I used to go there. I was terrified. And I remember it was Chaderton.

• 10:01Speaker 07

  How funny, because like no one mentions Chaderton, although we we did put because I worked with a writer on hostage. That she's from Oldham, because in the first scene, they talk about the Oldham FC.

• 10:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:12Speaker 07

  Her football club. And then, because I was like, oh, I don't know if I want it to be exactly like from where I'm from. But then actually, there's something quite nice about that representation of someone who's, you know, that powerful.

• 10:24Speaker 06

  So did you ever go horse riding in Chaderton?

• 10:27Speaker 07

  I'm not good with horses, to be honest.

• 10:29Speaker 06

  Neither am I.

• 10:30Speaker 07

  No. And so when I did.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  Frightened, actually.

• 10:32Speaker 07

  I'm frightened of them, but when I did Gentleman Jack, I had to shoot one. And so just before, there was a scene where I like laid my head on him. And took his, you know, she's polymath, she does everything she's interested in and everything. So she was taking his temperature and his heart and whatever. Oh, and I had to ride a carriage. So I went to the Devil's something or other. God, I've stopped taking my menopause medications. I literally can't remember anything. Anyway, the Devil's Something, which is like a big horse riding place. And I, yeah, it's like they all smell of piss, don't they? Really, like it's a really strong smell and they, if you brush them, it gets on you.

• 11:15Jessie Ware?

  What a pissy smell.

• 11:17Speaker 07

  Like the, the strong.

• 11:18Jessie Ware?

  That is so not what I thought you were gonna say. That is hysterical.

• 11:21Speaker 06

  I can't, can't smell that. I take her daughter horse, my granddaughter.

• 11:25Jessie Ware?

  I'm not that keen on it, because I'm like, people get injured on horses.

• 11:28Speaker 06

  She's so keen and she just loves them and we have to feed them polos and stroke them. And do everything before we leave, because she loves it. I've never noticed the wee smell.

• 11:40Speaker 07

  Maybe because I was, I was grooming them, doing a bit of mucking out and all that stuff, because like they, as part of the method acting type thing, they have me in there doing all that. So I just remember being like, going to Tesco's afterwards and having like, and going, oh, I don't like that smell.

• 11:54Jessie Ware?

  Do you do a lot of method for each role? Is that kind of your preparation?

• 11:59Speaker 07

  Not really. I mean, I guess, depending what the, I, I love research. Wasn't very good at school, but I guess that's, this is, that's my callback to, you know, like something that you're interested in. So I do a lot of reading, um, I like to meet a lot of people and chat about the roles. As foreign lister, there was a lot of research I could do. Obviously, there was the diaries and there was a, a lot of historians that I could talk to. Pictures that I could see. So I get quite geeky about that. For Vigil, I did meet someone, a detective, obviously.

• 12:30Speaker 06

  Did you ever go in a submarine?

• 12:32Speaker 07

  No.

• 12:32Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 12:34Speaker 07

  Well, no, because it was a huge set in Glasgow and then we went into Covid, so. That was really difficult because like they had to like take the sets apart. And they reduced the amount of extras and it got quite stressful because shooting in a submarine, of all things, in the middle of Covid was. And in your bubbles. I remember just everyone being really anxious. I mean, that came across on the telly, like, which was probably quite good, but. So, yeah, I geek out before, but when I'm doing it, no, I just kind of get on with it, because.

• 13:05Jessie Ware?

  Which politicians did you speak to before this?

• 13:08Speaker 07

  I don't think I'm allowed to say, but I did speak to three really high up women from different parties. And I'd read their books and I interviewed them and that was very exciting.

• 13:21Speaker 06

  I don't know which party you are in this.

• 13:23Speaker 07

  No, and you shouldn't, but you you should kind of know.

• 13:26Speaker 06

  I kind of, I kind of, it's off your left wing, your Labour.

• 13:29Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 13:30Speaker 06

  But then I'm not very happy about the lack of prescriptions.

• 13:33Speaker 07

  Well, I don't.

• 13:34Speaker 06

  But is that a leftover from Brexit?

• 13:36Speaker 07

  I don't think you're allowed to specify.

• 13:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 07

  But you will all know.

• 13:41Jessie Ware?

  It's a leftover. So let's talk about hostage because I think I've watched four episodes.

• 13:46Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 13:47Jessie Ware?

  Congrats. It feels like everyone's gonna be discussing it, watching it. It's really captivating. It's gripping. It's stressful. Great cast.

• 13:56Speaker 07

  Great cast.

• 13:57Jessie Ware?

  Julie Delpi, like, was she lovely?

• 14:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, amazing. Like, fun to be around, amazing stories, as you would expect.

• 14:07Jessie Ware?

  Did she give you any Ethan Hawke stories about filming?

• 14:10Speaker 07

  No, but there was a lot of stories that are like unrepeatable, like in the makeup trailer. She was one of those that you're just like, hang on a minute, everyone's. And Judy would be talking in the corner and then everyone would go quiet and go, oh my god.

• 14:23Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 14:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, she was one of those.

• 14:24Jessie Ware?

  And then the stepson, he was Corey. He would played Prince George or something, or King George or something.

• 14:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm sure the girls will go.

• 14:32Jessie Ware?

  He's gorgeous.

• 14:33Speaker 07

  He's gorgeous.

• 14:34Jessie Ware?

  And he's fab.

• 14:34Speaker 07

  And funny.

• 14:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 07

  And then we've got two musicians. We've got Jenny Beth.

• 14:38Jessie Ware?

  Jenny Beth from Savage's, yeah.

• 14:40Speaker 06

  Who's she, who's she playing?

• 14:42Jessie Ware?

  She's playing the advisor to the French prime minister.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  Is she not French?

• 14:47Jessie Ware?

  She is French, but she's, she's amazing, like, she's like a rock star.

• 14:52Speaker 07

  And Ashley Thomas, Bashy, who plays my husband, who's a grime star, I know, he's a.

• 14:59Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 15:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's like.

• 15:00Jessie Ware?

  Oh, he's Bashy?

• 15:01Speaker 07

  Yeah. And so, so we did, obviously we did chemistry tests and when he came in, it was just like, oh, you're intriguing. Handsome, lovely, smart, intelligent.

• 15:15Speaker 07

  And then we met our daughter, who is also brilliant, Izzy.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  She's fabulous.

• 15:19Speaker 07

  And that was her first job as well.

• 15:20Speaker 06

  Really?

• 15:21Speaker 07

  She's gorgeous. Yeah, she's really good, really super talented.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  Did you film the Downing Street bits in Downing Street?

• 15:27Speaker 07

  No, they built, um, so we had this amazing, Arwell Jones was our designer. So he, he built a Downing Street, he designed the inside and then we built the outside streets. So we could do the bits that you may, may not seen then, I think in four, you've seen four.

• 15:44Jessie Ware?

  I've seen four.

• 15:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:45Jessie Ware?

  She hasn't.

• 15:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, because we needed to build the exterior.

• 15:49Speaker 06

  You've played Prime Minister, detectives, a badam.

• 15:53Speaker 07

  Doctors.

• 15:54Speaker 06

  A doctor.

• 15:55Speaker 07

  Was GP, were you GP?

• 15:56Speaker 06

  A really kind of degenerate policewoman with Leslie Shaw. Where I was worried about your choice of men, your alcoholism at the time.

• 16:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, and you've played gay people, been married to a woman in Vigil. Who do you like playing? Do you like being powerful, like, like Prime Minister?

• 16:16Speaker 07

  I think what I wanted to do was, so I set up my business with my husband a couple of years ago. And because of a situation that I'd had that I wasn't very happy in. And the people that I was working with, I was like, oh, I just, I want nice people around and I, and I want to create. I want to find new talent, I want to create my teams. So these last three jobs are really special to me because they, they all came out of that kind of wave of knowing what I've loved and then what I wanted to go on to. So the producing has been great, I think, that now I'm kind of there from the start, the middle and the end. Three times as much work and it's Nakkarin as well with the family and all that.

• 16:57Speaker 06

  Oh, you're a producer on this as well?

• 16:59Jessie Ware?

  The last three, so that would have been, the last three.

• 17:02Speaker 07

  Is hostage, frauds, and I play Amy Lewood's mum in a comedy coming up. Um, which is called Film Club. I, I did that one for love, I'm not producer on that one. And then these two, I've been a creator and then just a producer and actor on this one.

• 17:18Jessie Ware?

  And it's satisfying.

• 17:19Speaker 07

  So satisfying.

• 17:20Jessie Ware?

  Can we take it back to Chatterton? And tell us who was round the dinner table and what you were eating.

• 17:26Speaker 07

  Oh my god, Chaderton. So I always remember Chaderton, there was a a big window and the dinner table was round. And it was like you pulled half of it down, so it was a semi circle. And we'd have like cows, there was a big pylon outside, and then we'd have cows and then a horse called Tango. They could come right up to the window. So would often you'd be eating your Sunday lunch and then you'd have them like literally looking in.

• 17:52Jessie Ware?

  Was it your horse?

• 17:53Speaker 07

  No, no, he was just next to a farmer's field, so, um, which was then next to a road. It doesn't sound as as nice as I'm painting it, but. It it was cute. And then there was a park up the road. Um, so that'd be my dad, my mum and my brother.

• 18:06Jessie Ware?

  Always in the same seats?

• 18:08Speaker 07

  Always in the same seats, yes, uh, with a doorbell going, one of my mates coming in. You know, like wanting a bit, which my dad would get really pissed off at, because he'd be like, we've made enough food for us. And now you're bringing your bloody mates round. Really annoyed. And then so they'd have to sit on the sofa, which is, we had a kind of a small house, so it it would all be in one room, in the living room. Yeah.

• 18:32Jessie Ware?

  And what was a particularly memorable dish?

• 18:35Speaker 07

  Well, when I say, oh, my dad's always annoyed at not having enough, so that would, that took me right back to a tater ash.

• 18:42Jessie Ware?

  Tater ash, hash, tater, potato hash?

• 18:45Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, like a, like a, like a corn, you can do it with corned beef, but but we did it with mince.

• 18:50Jessie Ware?

  Is it, is it?

• 18:51Speaker 07

  Potato gravy.

• 18:52Jessie Ware?

  Tater ash or hash?

• 18:53Speaker 07

  Hash.

• 18:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, right.

• 18:55Speaker 07

  Potato hash.

• 18:56Jessie Ware?

  Oh, right.

• 18:56Speaker 07

  Tater, tater ash.

• 18:58Jessie Ware?

  Okay, but, okay, got it.

• 18:59Speaker 07

  Northern, yeah.

• 18:59Jessie Ware?

  I love that, okay, right.

• 19:01Speaker 07

  But I think corned beef hash is the thing, isn't it? But we call it tater ash.

• 19:05Speaker 06

  So did you just kind of mix, instead of it being like a layer of mince? And then the potato like a shepherd's pie or a cottage pie, you mix it all in together?

• 19:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, onions, potatoes, carrots sometimes, a stock.

• 19:19Speaker 07

  And it would just be like literally potato, potatoes mince and gravy.

• 19:24Speaker 06

  All boiled and cooked.

• 19:25Speaker 07

  Boiled at the same time.

• 19:26Jessie Ware?

  Was it mince meat or was it corned beef?

• 19:29Speaker 07

  Minced meat, but my nan did corned beef.

• 19:32Jessie Ware?

  Did you like corned beef?

• 19:33Speaker 07

  I didn't like the corned beef, no.

• 19:34Jessie Ware?

  I don't know the last time I had a corned beef.

• 19:36Speaker 06

  No, it's not really, people don't really have it now, do they?

• 19:39Jessie Ware?

  Why is it called corned beef?

• 19:40Speaker 06

  Cause it, the way it's, they tin it, I mean, it's probably about ten years old by the time you eat it.

• 19:45Speaker 07

  Oh, really?

• 19:46Speaker 06

  Tin, yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 07

  But I would do, if you gave me a corned beef sandwich with brown sauce, and I would really enjoy that.

• 19:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's the saltiness and I like the texture.

• 19:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 06

  And pudding?

• 19:57Speaker 07

  Pudding, a, a vianetta from the fridge, probably.

• 20:01Speaker 06

  We love vianetta.

• 20:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was kind of like, there was always a roast dinner.

• 20:06Speaker 06

  On a Sunday?

• 20:07Speaker 07

  On a Sunday.

• 20:07Speaker 06

  And you went to church?

• 20:08Speaker 07

  And we went to church, yeah. Not my dad, my mum, my nan, and me and my brother, until we got old enough to say, no, sorry, fuck that.

• 20:16Speaker 06

  Do you go to church now?

• 20:17Speaker 07

  No, I don't, I'm a.

• 20:19Speaker 06

  But you, you, you do lots for Christian aid?

• 20:21Speaker 07

  Um, I, I used to, yeah, and, and, and still would, but for me, I, I guess I had a lot of game mates. When I was younger and that's the first sign to go, actually, certainly then to go, hmm, this is not aligning with. The Catholic Church and, and your views. And so probably that's when I first started to fall out and find my own way. And, you know, I've just done a documentary on witches, you know, my, you know, my thing is what serves you spiritually? I like crystals and I like healing and I, I like back to nature and I.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  Oh, Chelsea, you'll get on great.

• 20:58Speaker 07

  Me and you.

• 20:59Speaker 06

  She's always got a crystal going.

• 21:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, you, you should watch it, that's a ton of form.

• 21:03Jessie Ware?

  Lady just asked me if I needed a session this week because our post class didn't break.

• 21:07Speaker 07

  Yes, do it, yeah, yeah.

• 21:09Speaker 06

  Do you have Reiki?

• 21:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll do.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  I think I need it. It's lovely.

• 21:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, just to put your like centre back together.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Where do you get all your crystals from?

• 21:20Speaker 07

  Different places, but from my travels. So the documentary, I got some really good ones because I went to Salem and Germany. And then I met these amazing witches on Pendle Hill and we did a forming ceremony on Pendle Hill with the witches. And they were like, oh, they were just like, right, we are gathered here today to do, you know, there was some like witches dressed like traditional witches and there were some like people with bobby hats on and like scarves, just normal mums.

• 21:51Speaker 06

  Oh, so you had like an alphabet there with the proper hat and stuff like that?

• 21:53Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, because that's how she rolls.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  Love it. Well, I bet you loved wicked.

• 21:57Speaker 07

  Oh, I love wicked so much, yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 22:02Speaker 07

  So I, yeah, I've collected crystals as I've gone on the way. And then there's a place in Norfolk that I love as well called Pukie's.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  So around beside your cauldron, what do you cook when you're at home?

• 22:12Speaker 07

  Very good, Lenny. Yeah, yeah, very good. I'm I'm not a good cook.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  Are you not?

• 22:16Speaker 07

  No, I'm not. And I wish I could be better. I.

• 22:19Speaker 06

  But you have to, you've got a child.

• 22:20Speaker 07

  I know.

• 22:23Speaker 06

  Someone's got to cook.

• 22:24Jessie Ware?

  You can go to the shops and get some, you can have somebody else cook it.

• 22:27Speaker 07

  I do feed him and and one of the best like things ever is like when he eats a full plate of food. It's so satisfactory. It's beautiful. So like when we take him out for Sunday lunch and he's got gravy everywhere and I'm just like, oh, my God, this is so.

• 22:41Speaker 06

  You sure you're not Jewish?

• 22:43Speaker 07

  Uh, maybe, maybe somewhere down the line, but I just, that makes me so happy.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  The thrill of people eating.

• 22:47Speaker 07

  How old is he? Yeah, nine, yeah. But no, I'm not, I'm just not very good. I do try and I take every summer off. And my husband always says, oh, I wonder what mum's making us, like what surprise will be in this dish? Because I try and experiment, but it's.

• 23:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's not the best.

• 23:06Speaker 07

  I think I think it's always great, but they always, yeah, I think they prefer to eat out.

• 23:12Speaker 06

  What's your favourite cuisine then, if you're going out?

• 23:15Speaker 07

  Uh, I love Italian, um, I love Indian, not too spicy though, especially now with the perimenopause.

• 23:22Speaker 06

  Oh, do you think that's changed your?

• 23:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, because.

• 23:24Speaker 06

  Tolerance?

• 23:25Speaker 07

  Yeah, things make me so hot and.

• 23:28Speaker 06

  Maybe that's why I don't like spicy.

• 23:30Speaker 07

  Are you going through the menopause?

• 23:31Speaker 06

  No, darling.

• 23:34Speaker 07

  How many women have you had on this show talking about menopause?

• 23:37Jessie Ware?

  Quite a lot, actually. Yeah, and I feel like it's being allowed to be talked about more. It feels like more open, right?

• 23:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:44Jessie Ware?

  Sarah Cox was talking about menopause.

• 23:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:46Jessie Ware?

  Um, I've had loads of people talking about menopause. Are you hungry?

• 23:51Speaker 07

  Starving.

• 23:52Jessie Ware?

  Okay, yeah, because it's kind of late and that's probably my fault because I had to get back from Astonbury, so thank you.

• 23:58Speaker 07

  I know, and I was gonna come later, but I've got to pick my little boy up because my husband, so we, we are president and patrons of a little theatre in Norfolk, in Sheringham. So he has written a play for them, so he's going off to Norfolk to do that.

• 24:13Jessie Ware?

  And you've got to.

• 24:14Speaker 07

  And I've got to pick the boy up.

• 24:15Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, fair enough.

• 24:16Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 24:17Jessie Ware?

  So whilst mum gets some of the food ready, I've done nothing, by the way, I'm just letting you know, mum has done everything.

• 24:23Speaker 07

  Okay, gorgeous.

• 24:25Jessie Ware?

  What would be something that you would cook us then, out of your?

• 24:30Speaker 07

  Tiny repertoire.

• 24:31Jessie Ware?

  No, but like, you know, firstly, yeah, out of your, your repertoire, I'd love to know, but also is there anyone that's gone particularly wrong when you've tried to experiment?

• 24:40Speaker 07

  So when me and Laurence first met, I'd do sandwiches for him, you know, to send him to work with sandwiches. And so I'd, I'd often put like, ingredients, you know, like a slipper gherkin in a sandwich that wouldn't, or maybe a bit of like, you know, jam or whatever. So it's that kind of thing that you're, possibly isn't to everyone's taste, but might be to mine.

• 25:00Jessie Ware?

  But, oh, so you'd have like jam in a, cheese and some whatever, you know, and just put that, yeah. A chutney.

• 25:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 25:09Jessie Ware?

  Or like, you know, a quince jelly goes with a manchego. I don't think you're too far off.

• 25:13Speaker 07

  Exactly. I think, you know what, I think I'm quite jealous of people that can just knock up like a big.

• 25:18Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 25:20Jessie Ware?

  You're good, mum.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  I can't knock up.

• 25:23Speaker 07

  All, all like, I think that's why I'm a bit obsessed with like this podcast or anything to do with food, watching people who have the confidence to just throw things together, whereas I, I'd go in. Tonight, if it was me doing my son's tea, I'd do a tuna steak, maybe, or a salmon. It's not like I literally can't do anything.

• 25:42Jessie Ware?

  Would he eat a tuna steak and a salmon?

• 25:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, he would. Yeah, loves sushi as well.

• 25:46Jessie Ware?

  My eight year old's into sushi.

• 25:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 25:48Jessie Ware?

  Um, less of the kind of fishy ones. She really just liked the cucumber and the avocado, but she would do the salmon.

• 25:53Speaker 07

  How pretty it looks.

• 25:53Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, so cute.

• 25:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, he'd eat salmon steak, he'd eat tuna with rice and a drizzle of something, loves soy sauce. Loves marmite, I think he likes kind of saltyish.

• 26:04Jessie Ware?

  Do you like marmite?

• 26:05Speaker 07

  Love marmite, yeah.

• 26:06Jessie Ware?

  I have really imposed it on my children.

• 26:08Speaker 07

  And they do?

• 26:09Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, they love it.

• 26:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:10Jessie Ware?

  It's worked.

• 26:11Speaker 07

  So I'll put that in gravy and stuff and um I I can do a roast dinner. So I think like the the the basics. Are covered off. But no, I mean, like, whatever it is that you're gonna give me now, I'm gonna be well jealous. Yeah, it's just that thing, isn't it, of like, I'll do a boiled egg and a salad, or I'll do very simple stuff. But I don't think I was, I wasn't brought up with someone that cooked. We had a lot of Finders Crispy pancakes. We had a lot of mini kievs.

• 26:39Jessie Ware?

  Delicious, though. Like, I remember when they were very in vogue.

• 26:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:43Jessie Ware?

  And mum would get them once in a while and I'd be like, oh my god, we're having a chicken kiev.

• 26:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:48Jessie Ware?

  Boiling the bag cod, loved it with the parsley sauce.

• 26:50Speaker 07

  Boiling the bag beef curry.

• 26:52Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I never had that.

• 26:53Speaker 07

  Which was like powder and then you and boiling like that was what my dad would make. But then they'd do a Sunday dinner and then then it started to creep into like spag bol, which obviously I can do. And simple curries. I think, you know, when you're busy and you're literally working all hours. I find it quite hard to look after myself.

• 27:14Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 27:15Speaker 07

  So maybe I just don't bring it home. Cause I'm away for months at a time, like the beginning of this year, I was away for four months.

• 27:22Jessie Ware?

  Where were you?

• 27:22Speaker 07

  In Tenerife. And it's tricky.

• 27:25Jessie Ware?

  Quite a good time to be in Tenerife, though, isn't it?

• 27:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:29Jessie Ware?

  It's hard being away from your kids.

• 27:30Speaker 07

  But I was away for a long time.

• 27:32Jessie Ware?

  This is an onion tartar tart. That looks amazing.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  Delicious.

• 27:35Jessie Ware?

  Never cooked before.

• 27:36Speaker 07

  It does smell nice.

• 27:37Jessie Ware?

  It's like giving me like, it's it's like making my saliva glands go.

• 27:41Speaker 07

  So tell me how you did that.

• 27:43Speaker 06

  I bought Roscoff onions because he said they were the best. They seem to be sweeter and you caramelize this with sugar and butter and sherry vinegar. So you chop them all up? Chop them up. Yeah. Then you put them in a skillet thing. Yeah. And then you put butter and sugar on the bottom and sherry vinegar. You put the pastry on the top and then you cook it on the stove for twenty minutes, rotating every five minutes and then put it in the oven for twenty minutes. So you could do that.

• 28:14Speaker 07

  I could do that.

• 28:14Speaker 06

  You could do that.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  So the question is, I think, really, because I could do that and I often think I could do that. And I save lots of recipes, et cetera. What stops me from doing it is maybe.

• 28:27Speaker 06

  Fear.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  Fear or just.

• 28:29Speaker 06

  The faff? Darling, have that on top.

• 28:33Speaker 07

  Thank you. And this is?

• 28:35Speaker 06

  It's crème fraiche with chives, parsley and lemon.

• 28:39Speaker 07

  Mmm.

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• 30:24Jessie Ware?

  Would you like some salad or bread?

• 30:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'll take salad, please. Mmm.

• 30:29Jessie Ware?

  Do you like it?

• 30:30Speaker 07

  I do.

• 30:31Jessie Ware?

  Oh, good.

• 30:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, it is delicious.

• 30:32Jessie Ware?

  Um, thanks mum. So your connection to Norfolk, is it through your husband?

• 30:36Speaker 07

  We went there on an anniversary to Goldstone Blackenstock. He's a chef that my husband knew when, because my husband used to work in TV years ago and...

• 30:47Jessie Ware?

  Is that how you met?

• 30:49Speaker 07

  No, we met at Sally Lindsay and Steve White's wedding. So Sally Lindsay was in Corrie with me. And Laurence used to do press. And that's how we met Steve. Steve's the one that used to drum for Poirot.

• 31:01Jessie Ware?

  You met at a wedding? This sounds like a rom-com. Was it like a rom-com?

• 31:04Speaker 07

  Um, no, not really. Well, there was rom-com elements, but we met at the wedding. And he was chatting to me and he put, it was starting to rain, so he put his jacket over me. I was like, oh, who's this bloke?

• 31:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh, how nice. Were you quite irritated or were you like, hang on, this is, you know, chivalry?

• 31:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I know, I just thought, oh, interesting. And then we, then we started chatting. He was quite funny. Then there was shared toilet, so...

• 31:30Jessie Ware?

  God, where's this going to?

• 31:31Speaker 07

  It was, no, no, no. No, God, no, people were like throwing up in them by the end of the night. It was that kind of wedding. And then there's a picture of us on the night that we met. And I was wearing a purple dress and he was wearing a purple tie. Because there was a wedding photographer, so that's quite sweet that we have that, like, picture. And then I was dancing with my mate, Guy. And Laurence came up to us and I was like, oh, this, I'm thinking, yeah, this guy's gonna come and try and ask me if I wanna dance. He did, but he didn't take me, he took my friend. So he said, fancy a dance? And then took my mate, who was a boy, and whisked him round the dance floor, which obviously was a very good move, because that was very funny. And my mate was like, woo, woo!

• 32:16Speaker 07

  And got all hot and he was like, oh, he's quite fit. Yeah, he knew what he was doing. Yeah, he did, yeah. And then I was, I was in a play called Orlando, uh, Virginia Woolf. So I went back to Manchester and I was concentrating on that. And then at the Christmas I got a text, cause we'd swapped numbers. And he was like, hey, how are you? And then he came to watch the play. And then we got engaged. Like five months after and married nine months after that. And then a baby. It was really quick. Do you want some more, Jess?

• 32:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, delicious.

• 32:48Speaker 07

  Do you like it? It was really good, mm.

• 32:51Jessie Ware?

  Delicious.

• 32:51Speaker 07

  Yeah. Where did you get married? It was just me and him, Islington, um, town hall. Love Islington. Yeah. It's such a great place to get married. Mm, it was sweet and we had a photographer who was a witness and a makeup artist who was a witness and that was it. Where did you go for your dinner afterwards? The Bingham in Richmond. So she slept all the way from Islington to Richmond? I don't know why we did that, but maybe someone had just told us about the Bingham. So who came to that? Just four of you? No, so, so at the time, my, so my, my dad was still around, but my mom, um, we'd lost my mom.

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I'm sorry.

• 33:28Speaker 07

  Thank you. And so we decided that we were gonna do, we just wanted it ourselves. And as well, I just, I just. I wanted that for me and not everybody had met him either.

• 33:39Jessie Ware?

  Cause it had been so quite quick.

• 33:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I didn't want it to be, I didn't want anyone going, who's this? Or, you know, any of those questions or I just wanted it just to be me and him. So we took my mom and dad's wedding album and there's pictures of us looking at the wedding album and then we played their song. At the wedding and, and all that. And then we had like a playlist and so I made sure we included in that way. And also, you know, we'd obviously told my dad that what we wanted to do and then we said we were gonna have a party. Well, we got back and then we never had a party. Oh, mate, you need to have one, you went to your anniversary. Tenth is coming up actually, so we could do that, yeah. Yeah, cause life just got in the way and, and we just didn't do it, but. But we should, absolutely should. Can I go in again?

• 34:24Jessie Ware?

  Yes, with a bloody hand.

• 34:26Speaker 07

  Pleased you liked it. I do. Do you think it was worth it for the onions?

• 34:29Jessie Ware?

  I really do. Those, yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 07

  Can you, yeah, but the sherry vinegars made them sweet.

• 34:34Jessie Ware?

  This is like a perfect lunch.

• 34:36Speaker 07

  Thank you. Well, I'm sorry, I didn't know what to make because of the timing, so, oh god.

• 34:41Jessie Ware?

  Sixteen pounds of them. Now, start thinking, you know this podcast, because me and you have been messaging since 2020, I looked. You saying that you loved it, it must have been during Covid, I feel like, that you were going on these walks, you saying you accompany me on walks.

• 34:56Speaker 07

  I looked too, so you'd asked me to come on, and my reason for not coming on is because I wanted to come and meet you and eat your food. That's what I said. And then I felt bad, I was like, oh no, maybe I should just do it, because people need things to listen to. But I was so adamant that I wanted to come meet you properly and eat, yeah. And also, anything with food, I'm like, I want to eat the food.

• 35:19Jessie Ware?

  You know the drill, Saran, so you need to give us your last supper, starter, main, food and drink of choice.

• 35:26Speaker 07

  So it would be an old fashioned seventies prawn cocktail. Do a lot of people say that.

• 35:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 35:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  It's really weird, it's come back, hasn't it, Jess, prawn cocktail.

• 35:36Jessie Ware?

  But where, where have you had, like, where's your memory of that, that you really love it?

• 35:40Speaker 07

  Um, the schoolhouse in Middleton, which was a restaurant that all the family used to go to, so it was the only restaurant, so everyone's birthday, everyone's, you know, it was that restaurant. And my nana birthed, my grandad Bob, when, when everyone was alive, because we've lost so many people in the family, my mum, my dad, my auntie Barbara, my uncle Lawrence, they've all gone, like.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  Your dad gone too?

• 36:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 36:02Jessie Ware?

  I'm sorry.

• 36:03Speaker 07

  So there's so many, so when I think of that, oh god, I could cry.

• 36:06Speaker 06

  Don't you make me cry.

• 36:08Speaker 07

  Oh, it hits you sometimes, doesn't it?

• 36:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, it hits you, and you think I wish they were here.

• 36:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, especially when you talk about a table like that of like so many people. And my nana always used to have got like a, a little mole on my, um, my nana always used to scratch my arm, because she thought it was gravy. And it's a big mole, she must have done it every time we went out, so it was there, so that's the posh starter would be that. So I'd probably jazz it up a bit now, and we always had Black Forest Gato, because, because they'd wheel out the.

• 36:39Jessie Ware?

  The dessert trolley.

• 36:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 36:41Speaker 06

  I wish there were dessert trolleys now, because you never really know what you want from the menu.

• 36:45Jessie Ware?

  You wanna have a little.

• 36:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:48Jessie Ware?

  You're right.

• 36:48Speaker 06

  Bring back dessert trolleys.

• 36:50Speaker 07

  Exactly. And then my nana would always say, can we have a doggy bag? Which my husband still does for Pippin and Pippin was this fucking massive Labrador that was that I don't know if.

• 37:01Jessie Ware?

  Didn't need the doggy bag.

• 37:02Speaker 07

  Didn't need the doggy bag. Don't know if Pippin had legs, because I never saw Pippin walk. It was literally like a puddle of a dog in the corner of my nan's house. And so wrapped up in foil and they do like a handle.

• 37:18Speaker 07

  So and then we'd go for a walk in the garden. So that's good memories of that. And then I'd have my dad's steak and mash, which is like a braised steak. With a gravy with onions in and carrots, very sweetly heat. I said to him, could you write it down for me? Because my mum had gone and. I said, Dad, I just need you to write it down. But oh, right, well, uh, but you write it. I said, no, I want it in your handwriting. Right. And then I've got a picture of it because it didn't last because he'd he'd written it in a shitty pencil. You know, and and it had stains on it and it was just, yeah, but I have a picture of it. And so and he'd put, don't know how much on, you know, on one bit. And very sweet. And I made it for my son recently and he said, yeah, it's all right. But I had such an emotional.

• 38:01Jessie Ware?

  Did it taste like your dad's?

• 38:02Speaker 07

  Not quite, no, no, not quite. But maybe the steak was wrong. The steak was a bit tough.

• 38:08Speaker 06

  Or maybe it was just what the seasoning, like it was bisto or something that he used, yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 07

  Because his steak was so soft.

• 38:15Speaker 06

  You just have to cook it forever.

• 38:19Speaker 06

  I promise you.

• 38:20Speaker 07

  Well, they'll go in again.

• 38:21Speaker 06

  Four hours job, yeah.

• 38:23Speaker 07

  Yeah. So that with mash, and I don't really eat mash now, but I'd have that with buttery, buttery mash.

• 38:29Jessie Ware?

  And what's your drink?

• 38:31Speaker 07

  Champagne, probably.

• 38:32Speaker 06

  So I've got some in there, but it's, I know, it's too hot today to drink.

• 38:37Jessie Ware?

  God, I've never heard you say that.

• 38:39Speaker 06

  It's even too hot for me.

• 38:42Speaker 06

  Well, I've got a bottle going, yeah, in case.

• 38:45Jessie Ware?

  We haven't got your, we haven't got your dessert. Would it be the Black Forest Ghetto on the trolley?

• 38:51Speaker 07

  No, I think it would be frozen berries.

• 38:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 07

  With a white chocolate sauce.

• 38:58Jessie Ware?

  Ooh.

• 38:59Speaker 07

  Which I think they used to serve.

• 39:01Jessie Ware?

  Where did they serve it? Ivy. In the Ivy.

• 39:04Speaker 07

  So that reminds me of when I first had money and I'd be able to go to, you know, a nice restaurant. So when I was in Corrie. And because the Ivy, they used to put ketchup on the tables, didn't they as well? Like.

• 39:17Jessie Ware?

  Did they?

• 39:17Speaker 07

  I'm sure they did. Cause it felt like, I'm okay to be in here. You know, that kind of crossover between. A, growing up, going from being a barmaid to then, you know, twenty million people watching you get married on soap. And, and also back then in Manchester, Man United and Corrie were really huge. Now it's, it was so saturated and there's, you know, there's a lot of, so much content, but then it was less and it was intense. So.

• 39:48Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, because in Manchester, if you're in Corrie, it's like you're a god, aren't you? You're kind of a princess or a god. It's wow, mum.

• 39:56Speaker 07

  Love.

• 39:56Jessie Ware?

  Now, what is this?

• 39:57Speaker 06

  I don't, well, rose and watermelon trifle.

• 40:01Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 40:01Speaker 07

  Watermelon.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  Watermelon.

• 40:03Jessie Ware?

  Wait, you don't even like watermelon. Why have you done this?

• 40:05Speaker 07

  Quite.

• 40:06Jessie Ware?

  As in it could be too wet underneath, you mean? It may just be a weird consistency.

• 40:10Speaker 06

  But the actual bottom bit is.

• 40:13Jessie Ware?

  It'd be very refreshing though.

• 40:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's all right.

• 40:17Speaker 07

  Oh, that looks sturdy.

• 40:18Jessie Ware?

  Oh, but that is, there's a whole layer of watermelon.

• 40:21Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 40:22Jessie Ware?

  I've never had watermelon with cream.

• 40:24Speaker 06

  Neither have I, but you are now.

• 40:27Jessie Ware?

  Alright.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  And the, the bottom, the, the cakey bit is called, it's an almond dakey. So it's almond.

• 40:34Jessie Ware?

  Did you have to make it?

• 40:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:35Jessie Ware?

  Wow, mum.

• 40:36Speaker 06

  So I made this this morning.

• 40:38Speaker 07

  Do you both have sweet tooth?

• 40:39Speaker 06

  Uh, not really.

• 40:41Jessie Ware?

  But I will eat this and enjoy it.

• 40:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, I've developed a.

• 40:44Speaker 06

  Have you?

• 40:45Speaker 07

  Sweet tooth, yeah.

• 40:46Jessie Ware?

  Alright, let's try this. Oh, do you?

• 40:48Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 40:48Jessie Ware?

  Do you like it? It's quite heavy on the rose water, mum. Hold on.

• 40:52Speaker 06

  But that was the whole point, darling.

• 40:53Speaker 07

  So do you infuse the watermelon with the rose water?

• 40:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  It's a watermelon.

• 40:57Jessie Ware?

  Interesting.

• 40:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 07

  Oh, it's nice.

• 40:59Jessie Ware?

  I quite like it. That almond thing is really good.

• 41:02Speaker 06

  Do you like it?

• 41:03Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 41:04Speaker 06

  It's a bit different, isn't it?

• 41:05Speaker 07

  Rose always reminds me of, um, you know, when you had a baby doll. You know, the smell of a baby doll's head, it's the plastic, isn't it, of the, of the baby doll. But whenever I smell rose, it takes me back to.

• 41:17Jessie Ware?

  At the moment, you think you're eating a baby doll.

• 41:19Speaker 06

  So do you think this is a good combo?

• 41:21Speaker 07

  Mmm.

• 41:21Jessie Ware?

  It's really peculiar, but it's kind of working for me.

• 41:25Speaker 07

  Mmm. Did you get this from somewhere or you just thought, I didn't make it up?

• 41:29Speaker 06

  No. It's from the New York Times.

• 41:31Speaker 07

  Mmm.

• 41:31Speaker 06

  And I just saw it on Instagram, but I quite like the rose water on the melon.

• 41:36Speaker 07

  I'm interested.

• 41:37Speaker 06

  And it's nice and crunchy for a change.

• 41:39Speaker 07

  Mmm.

• 41:40Speaker 06

  Jessie, you're not sure.

• 41:41Jessie Ware?

  I don't, it, no, it's just, there's a lot going on, but it's kind of really refreshing.

• 41:45Speaker 06

  Mmm, mmm. I knew it was going to be a hot day and I thought, mmm, watermelon will do her.

• 41:49Speaker 07

  I love it.

• 41:50Jessie Ware?

  So it must have been like all eyes on you when you were, you were living in Manchester. It was like to get into any club, any restaurant, no doubt.

• 41:58Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm. Yep.

• 41:59Jessie Ware?

  Did any footballers approach you to go out on dates?

• 42:02Speaker 07

  No, but I, but I saw a lot of footballers all the time on Dean's Gate Lot.

• 42:06Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:06Speaker 07

  And that lasted through kind of like exactly my time at Corrie, cause I was, so that's, I was in Corrie twenty six years ago. Which just feels like a lifetime away.

• 42:17Jessie Ware?

  So it was around that time when, when Bex left by that point, maybe?

• 42:21Speaker 07

  Hmm. I know Ryan Giggs was big at the time and Paul Scholes, who also went to my school.

• 42:27Jessie Ware?

  Oh, really?

• 42:27Speaker 07

  So, yes, Paul Scholes went to my school and Steve Coogan went to my school. Steve Coogan's brother taught me history.

• 42:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my god.

• 42:36Speaker 07

  At Cardinal Langley. And it was huge. It was like, you know, paps were chasing us and it was all, it was just a different time. You know, you must remember from being, coming up in.

• 42:46Jessie Ware?

  But like, I've never had paps, like, I can't even imagine how that must have been. Not fun.

• 42:52Speaker 07

  Not fun. Not, not when you're young, I don't think. And also, it was around the time of, I mean, it is now and it's certainly coming back now, but of people needing to look a certain way and all of that, a ring of shame, that's, that's the era that we're talking about.

• 43:06Jessie Ware?

  Magazine, like all the, yeah.

• 43:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  Darling, do you want a bit more?

• 43:09Speaker 07

  I'm gonna have more.

• 43:09Speaker 06

  Oh, I'm so pleased.

• 43:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:12Jessie Ware?

  Do you feel like, I mean, because I think of you as quite private, you know, you do your work. You're not at the opening of an envelope, you do great work and we don't know a lot about your private life, which is like, but then it's so mad. Do you think that's been a reaction?

• 43:26Speaker 07

  Huge reaction, yeah.

• 43:27Jessie Ware?

  From that time then, Corey?

• 43:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, because I think I was in the press a lot back then and I had people outside my house, I was being followed. I do think it was a particular time and everyone was so young, you know, like we were all like mid twenties, I didn't go to university. So that's my, that was my university, I think, really finding yourself, all of that. And then all the awards. I won quite a lot of awards then because people loved Karen because she was kind of feisty. People thought I was maybe like Karen. So I think the press loved the character and wanted something interesting for me. So when I joined, we went from three to four or four to five episodes.

• 44:09Speaker 07

  I can't remember what it was, but it was a huge shift. So we were just in more episodes, more times in people's living rooms. And like I said, Karen was really wild. So people just thought that I was, which I was, thank you.

• 44:22Jessie Ware?

  Sorry. Were you a kind of eight thirty to bed girl then?

• 44:25Speaker 07

  No.

• 44:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 44:27Speaker 07

  No, I was, I was out partying. I was going to everything. I was enjoying myself. I was dating. I was doing all of that.

• 44:34Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 07

  With my Corey group that I still like get on with now, you know, so me, Sally and Jenny and Jenny Mack, Jenny James, Sally Lindsay and myself. Anthony Cotton, Andrew Longsdale. There were so many of us that were just kind of thrown into it all and we were really enjoying it.

• 44:50Jessie Ware?

  Before we let you go, which I don't really want to let you go, but can you tell us any of your favourite spots to eat in? An Italian that you love?

• 44:59Speaker 07

  I love Claridge's. I love Claridge's.

• 45:01Speaker 06

  I do. Who's the chef there now?

• 45:03Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  It used to be Gordon Ramsay.

• 45:05Speaker 07

  Different chef now. Yeah, I love the whole thing.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  Going in and there the floor, everything.

• 45:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, everything.

• 45:11Speaker 06

  Like the car mile.

• 45:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I like to dress up and go with my hubby for if we like have a special, we call it the tea makers Christmas lunch. But it's only me and him that's in our production company. So that's our Christmas lunch.

• 45:24Jessie Ware?

  Tea makers, is that the production company?

• 45:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:26Jessie Ware?

  So how do you like your tea?

• 45:27Speaker 07

  I can't drink tea since I had my boy.

• 45:30Speaker 06

  Why?

• 45:31Speaker 07

  Loved tea, loved it. And then, is it the tannin in it? And it was so strong that I went out for an afternoon tea. And I was like, oh my god, the smell is awful. And then from that point on, I could be upstairs and Laurence could be making tea and I was like, it stinks.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  How you doing with red wine? That's got the name.

• 45:52Speaker 07

  Um, I don't know, don't drink red wine, but. That's a shame that your production company's. But, so yeah, so tea makers or team acres. So my second name is Acres. Okay, fine, clever.

• 46:04Jessie Ware?

  Oh, god, you're really stuck with that now, babe.

• 46:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, coffee, coffee makers isn't as, it is, rolls off the tongue. And then, then I love Balthazar for just popping in to town.

• 46:17Jessie Ware?

  Since Covent Garden. I've never been to the one in London, actually. You may have already answered this, Saran, but can you give us a taste that can transport you back somewhere? Or a scent?

• 46:30Speaker 07

  Trying to think of like my mum, oh no, I know, Battenberg, like a slice of Battenberg. It's my mum and my nana. So we'd go to my nana's house and she'd give me a pound whenever we went to my nana's house.

• 46:42Jessie Ware?

  This Bertha?

• 46:43Speaker 07

  Nana Bertha, yeah. And a slice of Battenberg and she'd also always put a plate out with whatever biscuits she had in and then whatever crisps she had in, you know, like as in she just wanted to, she was a feeder and the Battenberg is the thing. And then my mum loved the Battenberg as well. Not that I buy it much, but.

• 47:02Jessie Ware?

  What would we, if we came to your house and we opened your fridge, what would we find in there?

• 47:07Speaker 07

  A lot of eggs, love.

• 47:09Jessie Ware?

  Loads of eggs. How do you have your eggs?

• 47:11Speaker 07

  Or would you just boil them, like, so we've got always a boiled egg to pick up.

• 47:16Jessie Ware?

  Saran, we're very similar.

• 47:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 47:18Jessie Ware?

  Me and my kids love a hard boiled egg.

• 47:20Speaker 07

  Hard boiled egg, yeah, pop it in as a snack, in butter in a cup, salt and pepper or egg mayonnaise, gorgeous. You get so many.

• 47:27Jessie Ware?

  Do you use salad cream or mayo?

• 47:29Speaker 07

  I love a salad cream.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  Do you like karaoke? Not keen.

• 47:33Speaker 07

  Well, actually, talking about Corey, there was a place called The Press Club in Manchester. And so I would always get up and have a sing.

• 47:41Speaker 06

  What, which song?

• 47:42Speaker 07

  Well, now I just think, oh, my God, I did that so, so many times. I loved Bette Midler, still love Bette Midler, but The Rose, I would always bang out The Rose, but it's not a very like upbeat song. Love Diana Ross, so maybe a supreme song, or do you like karaoke?

• 47:59Speaker 06

  I've actually never, yeah. I've never done it, but I do love the idea of it, because it's fun. No, not really. I can hold a tune, but.

• 48:07Jessie Ware?

  I think that's going to be our team Christmas outing, karaoke with Lily.

• 48:10Speaker 06

  I thought we were going to an escape room. Do you, does she always go to escape rooms?

• 48:13Jessie Ware?

  Love that idea too.

• 48:15Speaker 06

  I think we should do an escape room, not eat this year.

• 48:17Jessie Ware?

  Just to really kill each other. Be like squid game with me and you.

• 48:21Speaker 07

  I would like to see that.

• 48:23Jessie Ware?

  So it will be documented. Saran, thank you so much for being on the podcast.

• 48:26Speaker 07

  Thanks for having me.

• 48:27Jessie Ware?

  Good luck with Hostage, and I can't wait for the Witches documentary.

• 48:30Speaker 07

  It's on now, you can watch it on Channel Four. Yes.

• 48:32Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay, great. I'm going to. And I'm excited about this Tenerife project that you did earlier this year.

• 48:40Speaker 07

  That's forward, it's coming up, yeah.

• 48:41Jessie Ware?

  And just thank you so much for taking the time.

• 48:43Speaker 07

  Thank you. Thanks for having me. After Gustinbury as well, and in the heat.

• 48:47Jessie Ware?

  No, it's, it's.

• 48:48Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 48:48Jessie Ware?

  It's a pleasure. It's anything for you.

• 49:06Jessie Ware?

  I love Saran Jones. She is just fab. She is gorgeous, lovely, interesting, open, gives good prezies. And it had second helping, so we just love her. You can come again, Saran.

• 49:18Speaker 06

  She had second helping, and I was going to say she's just your cup of tea, but that probably wouldn't be very out now.

• 49:24Jessie Ware?

  Um, Hostage is going to be out in August on Netflix with a brilliant, brilliant cast.

• 49:31Speaker 06

  It will be the one to watch.

• 49:33Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 49:33Speaker 06

  You come back from your holes, need cheering up, watch Hostage, gripping.

• 49:38Jessie Ware?

  Mum, the food was so nice. I loved that Tarted Town, wasn't it good?

• 49:42Speaker 06

  There's no but, I'm waiting for it.

• 49:44Jessie Ware?

  I'm not sure about the watermelon in, I'm not sure. I would have almost, I think it's really interesting.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  It was different.

• 49:53Jessie Ware?

  It was really different.

• 49:53Speaker 06

  That's why I did it.

• 49:54Jessie Ware?

  And incredibly refreshing. I think if I was going to do it again, I'd just do strawberries.

• 49:59Speaker 06

  But strawberries are sweeter. And I just thought the water, look, I'm not sure I would do it in the winter.

• 50:05Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 50:05Speaker 06

  I think that it's just interesting because it was a hot day.

• 50:08Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it was such a great idea.

• 50:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was cool. It was refreshing. It wasn't heavy. The, um, dakiss was a bit of a fact.

• 50:16Jessie Ware?

  But that was so delicious, the almond bit.

• 50:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:18Jessie Ware?

  That was amazing. Little crunchy, spongy almond bit, yum.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  That's just, that was five egg whites.

• 50:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 06

  And ground almonds. They clearly don't have ground almonds in America because he told me to grind my almond.

• 50:33Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 50:33Speaker 06

  So I'm not doing that, love.

• 50:36Jessie Ware?

  Um, we'll see you next week for more table manners.

• 50:39Speaker 06

  We will.

• 50:39Jessie Ware?

  And hopefully it'll be slightly less hot.

• 50:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, maybe.

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