The Mission S Revealed! Citroen 2CV is Back! Alfa Romeo Making a New Sports Car?

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Nick.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Dan.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  Dan is here today, ladies and gentlemen. Dan is the chief executive, the CEO of Cars and Bids. I want to give you a little introduction of Dan. Dan was born in 1982, same as my Countach. And he now runs Cars and Bids. He is our CEO. Now, I noticed the commenters are confused between owner, CEO, and founder. I think we should cover that.

• 1:31Speaker 05

  Yes, we should.

• 1:32Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of people asked me about what it's like to own Cars and Bids.

• 1:35Speaker 05

  Why did I buy Cars and Bids?

• 1:36Doug DeMuro?

  Why did you buy Cars and Bids?

• 1:37Speaker 05

  I did not buy Cars and Bids.

• 1:38Doug DeMuro?

  Dan is, this is the most important thing, Dan is a legitimate car enthusiast. And I was thinking about this. You know how Nick always says he wants a shop, Nicky Lube?

• 1:48Speaker 05

  He does, yeah.

• 1:49Doug DeMuro?

  Dan has a shop.

• 1:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's most serious mechanical thing he ever did with a car, he money shifted his TTRS. Dan built a Corvette race car. With his bare hands.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's why I wore my vest, is I have a pitch for you later. We're going to give you a little perspective and see if you're ready.

• 2:09Speaker 05

  You are dressed like a CEO today. I am dressed like a budget Ryan Lopez.

• 2:13Doug DeMuro?

  Nick has always said he wants a truck. Dan actually has a truck. And it hit me when I was writing this up, that Dan is sort of a more legitimate Nick. Do you, do you, do you? Anyway, by the way, it's Daniel to you.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  In a business setting.

• 2:29Doug DeMuro?

  Out there to you, no, to the audience.

• 2:32Speaker 05

  The audience?

• 2:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's Daniel.

• 2:33Speaker 05

  I could be Dan.

• 2:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's Dan to me and maybe you.

• 2:36Speaker 04

  I think so. He called me Friday and told me I did a good job, so I think we're on a first-name basis.

• 2:40Doug DeMuro?

  He did do that. Anyway, no, really, I love Dan dearly. There was a period where I was unsure. Do you remember that period?

• 2:46Speaker 05

  No, I don't. When was that?

• 2:48Doug DeMuro?

  It was long. No, there was a period where I was unsure. But Dan has done amazing things for Cars and Bids, truly. And he's become a legitimate friend of mine. There was a time when Dan wanted to have dinner and I was like, I don't know about this guy. And now I would have dinner with you. I won't, I'm too busy, but I would.

• 3:06Speaker 05

  I appreciate that, Doug. Yeah, I know, if time allows, if it's convenient, if I'm in San Diego.

• 3:11Doug DeMuro?

  All these things.

• 3:12Speaker 05

  It's evening, you've not eaten yet.

• 3:13Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 3:14Speaker 05

  Then maybe a meal.

• 3:15Doug DeMuro?

  I would consider it. He is a true friend, he is a great car enthusiast, he's a more legitimate Nick, and he is the best Cars and Bids team member aside from Terry Echols. Terry, shout out. And whoever else is listening.

• 3:28Speaker 05

  Shout out to Terry.

• 3:28Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez, great too. Anyway, that's Dan. Dan, you have any other introductions of yourself you want to do?

• 3:34Speaker 05

  No, but you know, when I was talking to Nick and thanking him for his service on the podcast, which I did, which he received, thank you.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  I did receive.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  Thank you for acknowledging.

• 3:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  You and I actually have a lot in common. We like to work on cars. We like to get our hands dirty. Maybe we don't buy the best example every time. And so I think the table might be a little unbalanced here, Doug.

• 3:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree the table's unbalanced.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  We like mods. You do not.

• 3:58Doug DeMuro?

  We're going to talk about Dan's mod history. Dan was a mod guy.

• 4:00Speaker 05

  I was a mod guy. I've now turned into something a bit different. Still a mod guy.

• 4:04Doug DeMuro?

  But I want to get to the news. We're going to cover Dan in the Talk Cars segment. It's going to be Talk Cars and Talk Dan. There's also Dan-related questions. Folks, this is a big podcast. This is, Dan runs the company. At any moment, he could kill Ryan Lopez and get away with it.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  I could take this off the air.

• 4:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  You really don't understand how the C-suite works.

• 4:21Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  Speaking of which, what is your title?

• 4:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  All right.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  Chief Car Enthusiast.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  That's sweet.

• 4:28Speaker 05

  Which predates me.

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  Here's something that also hit me when I was thinking about this. We all report to Dan, but I report to the board.

• 4:35Speaker 05

  True.

• 4:35Doug DeMuro?

  But Dan's on the board. It's one of those, it's one of those. Okay, all right, we got to move on to the news. This is what people, people are like, who is this guy? Come on, do the news. Nick, it's you, bud. Nick is driving.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  I am back.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 4:49Doug DeMuro?

  Doing the laptop again, and I'm sorry in advance. All right, what is this?

• 4:53Speaker 04

  This one, I'm particularly excited for. It is the Fiat Multiplay. It is a new concept, so the Paris Motor Show is going on right now, for those of you who don't parlez-vous français. And Stellantis, of all brands, has not just one, but up to nine different concepts they are showing off to show, hey, we're Stellantis, we're still here. And this is one of their several concepts that we're pretty excited about.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  And it's Multiplay, not Multipla?

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  A play on Multipla.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it does, I think the play comes from the fact that you can basically push a button and the rear end extends out and converts it from a pickup truck to a minivan SUV-type concept. So you can have it be a three-row car with all the functionality of the original Multipla, but you can play with it and also turn it into a pickup truck.

• 5:40Doug DeMuro?

  Are you aware that it was inspired by watermelons?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I get that. The green.

• 5:46Doug DeMuro?

  And it's pink inside. And Fiat says the watermelons are evocative of the Italian summer and its spirit of togetherness.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Well, that's something.

• 5:55Speaker 05

  That sums up Italy for me.

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. When you think watermelons, you think about Italy's spirit of togetherness.

• 6:01Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 6:02Doug DeMuro?

  For God's sake. Okay, so what's the deal? Is this going to come out or what's going to happen?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  It's a design study. I would put a hard no against the likelihood. But I think like most design studies or concepts, we will see elements of this. Like maybe the new LED matrix that you see both front and rear is actually kind of cool. There's some other things that Fiat's doing here to like spice it up and make it neat. It's also no promise that it would come to the US even if they did make it like the original Multipla.

• 6:26Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. It would be sad if we didn't get it. And by we, I mean anyone, because I don't think it will exist. It does, you'll notice that it was inspired by the original Multipla. It's weird light bar at the top of the hood.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Our friend Filippo sent it this morning, super excited about it. And goes, do you guys like this? And I had to warn them, please don't pitch this to Ford.

• 6:45Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  This will not succeed in any capacity.

• 6:48Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  Is this an EV?

• 6:50Doug DeMuro?

  Are you kidding?

• 6:50Speaker 05

  Of course, of course it's an EV.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  If a car exists in modern society, it's an EV. We're done with gas. Am I right?

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Fiatist.

• 6:58Doug DeMuro?

  You know, a commenter wrote in and he was like, from now on, you should act as if Filippo didn't get, go off to a new company, but he got canceled.

• 7:05Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, I love that.

• 7:07Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo. Anyway, so this is one concept car. A more likely thing that might actually exist is this, which I think is one of the coolest, new car-y, concept-y situations that I have seen in a long time. This is a new Citroen 2CV. It's technically a concept car, and I can't imagine that Michelin will be written in cursive on the, what appear to be, plastic tires. On the real car. However, if they make anything that looks even similar to this, it's going to be the coolest thing in the world.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  I like that it's white space in the sense that there's a lot of EVs out there that are trucks or large sedans. This is like a true city car. It's a little beep bop around town. And it's very cute, very whimsical. I mean, there's been a few concepts in that vein, but I think, again, if they're going to be successful here, like they've got to have a differentiator factor. It can't be range. It is going to be cheap, at least at the price point that they're targeting. And I think it'd be really fun. Like I could see Coronado and a lot of islands having this in the US if it comes here. And I think same in Europe.

• 8:08Doug DeMuro?

  There have been some little EV retro, Fiat 500, the Mini, they've done it. They've not been tremendously successful. Four doors might help. I think that one of the things that the European automakers are realizing quite quickly is that China is coming fast in Europe. There used to be this thing that Europeans would only buy cars from sort of their country. And you'd go to Spain and you'd see only Sats. And you'd go to Czech Republic and you'd only see Skotas. And it's very different now. China's really coming in, and I think that the legacy European automakers are kind of trying to use this retro thing a little bit, including the previous car, to sort of throw back to, hey, this is iconic, hey, you love us, we're French, we really are one of you. And I think that this would be a cool, it's a kind of a cool way to do it.

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  Something that China cannot come and steal from Citroen or from Fiat is the like beloved history that people identify with.

• 9:00Speaker 05

  And this really does look like a 2CV. I could see it in there. Do you think they'll try and sell this in China as well? Or this is just a defensive mechanism to keep Chinese cars from taking over?

• 9:09Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I don't know, I don't know. Well, it'll be interesting. It's very difficult for anybody to make inroads in China because of how the government subsidizes Chinese cars.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  I think the non-integrated bumper on the front too is a very effective way to get the throwback. The headlights being popped out of the fenders.

• 9:21Doug DeMuro?

  This little thing on here, like if you look at original 2CV, it has these big kind of fender things. You can't really do that anymore, but like that's a cool throwback to it. The overall profile is very similar. It's really cool. Would you buy one of these?

• 9:32Speaker 05

  I would go smaller. I'm more of like a Topolino, Citroen, Ami-type guy. Ami, Ami?

• 9:39Doug DeMuro?

  Ami.

• 9:40Speaker 05

  Ami.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  Ami, monsieur.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't need to go more than 25 miles per hour. I want to sit right next to my passenger.

• 9:45Doug DeMuro?

  And you want a rope to open the door, you want the door to be a rope?

• 9:48Speaker 05

  I want to be taller than the car, Doug.

• 9:49Doug DeMuro?

  You want to be taller than the car.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Let's just go e-bike.

• 9:52Doug DeMuro?

  Have you considered a Ford GT?

• 9:54Speaker 05

  I've not considered a Ford.

• 9:55Doug DeMuro?

  We can talk about that later.

• 9:56Speaker 04

  To your point about getting, you know, what is, like correlates to your homeland, him and I have a connection to Toledo, so we're Jeep Liberty guys.

• 10:04Doug DeMuro?

  Jeep Liberty, what's his connection to Toledo?

• 10:07Speaker 04

  I can't remember, but he mentioned it.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  I once had a Jeep Liberty in the family.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  No, I thought we had a nice chat about our Ohio roots. Am I mixing you up with someone?

• 10:17Speaker 05

  Not me.

• 10:18Doug DeMuro?

  Born in Washington DC, went to the University of Southern California.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  I've been to Ohio before.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  I think maybe you were just pandering to me.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  I don't do that. You have me confused for perhaps another.

• 10:28Doug DeMuro?

  You misremembered, and the reason I think that is because you can remember literally nothing.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  I had a nice chat with someone the other day about the Jeep Liberty, and I thought it was Dan, but.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  We talked about a Super Ligara. We talked about getting our hands dirty. We did not talk about.

• 10:43Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe that's when he said he like works on cars, maybe you're just Ohio.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  He was like, oh, my grandpappy worked at the Delphi plant, just like yours.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  I give off real salt of the earth vibes, like I get it, you know, could happen.

• 10:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, anyway, Citroen 2CV, I don't know if this is going to be a production car. They did say that it's probably going to, it teases what will be a production car. I hope they don't change very much. I think this with a not particularly long range and a reasonable price point, 20 grand, would be actually pretty cool. I do think that the Fiat 500 Electric has proven though, the market for this is limited to nostalgia people, and that's a limited market.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 11:18Doug DeMuro?

  The most successful EVs have been futuristic cars, like the Tesla Model Y, Nick's favorite.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  Indeed.

• 11:25Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of cool cars.

• 11:26Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 11:27Doug DeMuro?

  This is not electric.

• 11:28Speaker 05

  This is cool. So I think Alpha's done a couple of cool design studies. They've got this one. They did the Type 33 before it, and then the best Alpha design ever, the Viper-based TZ3.

• 11:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  Which we all love. This is cool. I like this. I am an Alpha guy, like Sean. I also had a GTV that I restored. We'll come to that later because it has some significance in cars and bids lore. But ultimately, I think this is a cool design, and I assume this is what Giulias are gonna kinda look like in the future.

• 11:55Doug DeMuro?

  To me, it looks like the Barrera, which was the sort of the Alpha. It's been a while since the Barrera. When was the last time the Barrera was on sale, Sean? Sean's an Alpha man. 10, 15 years ago? Oh, boy, here we go. Nick's gonna-

• 12:06Speaker 05

  We got the home screen.

• 12:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's gonna spend a little while pulling up the Barrera. There we go. Looks like sort of a more modern of that, or maybe the TZ3.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  That's a good, that's a good call.

• 12:14Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know how you get this giant-

• 12:15Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 12:16Doug DeMuro?

  -array of Google image results.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  I got talent.

• 12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, this one is called the Cuore Romeo, and it's a concept car. Unlike the previous two concept cars, it is not electric. And in fact, they confirmed there is an engine, a twin-turbo 2.9-liter V6, which is the, is that the Giulia quad motor?

• 12:37Doug DeMuro?

  This would be cool.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  The Ferrari Turbo V6.

• 12:39Doug DeMuro?

  This is an absolutely beautiful, cool car.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  Yes, I agree with-

• 12:43Doug DeMuro?

  And therefore, we can be assured that it will not come to market.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Well, I would argue, all of Alpha's designs that came to the US were beautiful and compelling looking. That wasn't enough, right? And you gotta wonder, is beautiful design enough to save the brand, to instill the consumer confidence?

• 13:00Doug DeMuro?

  I think in this segment, beautiful design goes a long way.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's different from the Giulia where you're trying to compete with a rapidly evolving market, that every year, there's a new three series, a new C-Class, et cetera. This sells.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:12Doug DeMuro?

  If this showed up and it had a manual, he's a buyer.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  I would consider it. You know, the Giulia was a pretty kind of standard car. This is much different, much bigger. This also has a crazy name. You just pronounced it.

• 13:24Doug DeMuro?

  Cuore Romeo.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  Which is pretty good. One of the commenters, or one of the question askers, asked, "How could I lose Filippo?" I want to point out to the audience, I did not lose Filippo. I know where he is.

• 13:34Doug DeMuro?

  We know where he is.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  He's in my basement.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  And when I brought him, not by his will. When I brought him a cappuccino this morning, I said, "Hey, we're gonna talk about this Alpha."

• 13:43Doug DeMuro?

  How did he pronounce it?

• 13:44Speaker 05

  Well, I have it right here.

• 13:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 13:46Speaker 05

  Proof of life.

• 13:47Speaker 06

  Alpha Romeo. Cuore Romeo. Cuore, heart, Romeo, red. Cuore Romeo.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  Cuore Romeo.

• 13:55Doug DeMuro?

  The difference between me and the Italians, and I'm cool with this, is that he puts like a D sound into his Rs. And I don't believe in that. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 14:03Speaker 05

  I don't know what you're saying.

• 14:04Doug DeMuro?

  We're in America.

• 14:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 14:05Doug DeMuro?

  Speak Italian with an American accent.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  I like the way he does it. He has dramatic pause in all the things that he says.

• 14:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  No, it's good. It sounds good.

• 14:12Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't accept it. Because if, we Americanize things. This is a, this is a point I've debated with him for a long time. Because if you were to Italianize everything, you'd say Venezia and Roma, which you don't. You say Venice and Rome. You bring it into English. So we're bringing this into English.

• 14:27Speaker 05

  So what's the English pronunciation of this Alpha Romeo?

• 14:29Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I think Nick will handle that for us.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  I really don't want to.

• 14:32Doug DeMuro?

  Cuore Rosso.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  I pronounce things phonetically.

• 14:36Doug DeMuro?

  Earlier today, before this pod started, Nick was talking about people who are canvassing in his neighborhood, and he said, what did he say?

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Convassing.

• 14:43Doug DeMuro?

  Convassing. They were convassing on my street. They came to my home, the convasser.

• 14:49Speaker 05

  We all have a word we say wrong. I don't know if it's hover or hover. I have no idea.

• 14:53Doug DeMuro?

  He says every word wrong. Every.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  I say them how they should be, not necessarily how they are.

• 14:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's fair. That's fair. Massage shoe sets.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Perhaps.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Maybe he's right, we're all wrong.

• 15:03Doug DeMuro?

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• 17:18Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, speaking of right, this is that. Now, this car has four doors. Are you aware of that?

• 17:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Where's really-

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, it's got the Fisker Karma-type vibes there in the rear.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  Ew.

• 17:28Doug DeMuro?

  The interior's ridiculous, never could exist. It's got one of the, it's got a yoke, it's crazy, it's insane, everything, but-

• 17:33Speaker 05

  Doug, I have a question for you. Why are we still sort of edging with these weird tiny mirror camera things, instead of just committing to a mirror or not having a mirror?

• 17:41Doug DeMuro?

  It is every automobile designer's dream to have no mirror. If you ask every car designer-

• 17:48Speaker 05

  So take the mirror off.

• 17:49Doug DeMuro?

  What, yeah, I know, it's a concept car. Just take the mirror off.

• 17:51Speaker 05

  And no mirror.

• 17:51Doug DeMuro?

  If you ask every automotive designer what their number one dream in automotive is, it would be no mirrors.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  No mirrors.

• 17:58Doug DeMuro?

  Because it just messes, like, look at that. It pops up on the side.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  They don't have door handles.

• 18:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  There appear to be no turn signals, fog lights.

• 18:06Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, they would also love to get rid of lights, but they understand that at some point, they're making a car. But they think that mirrors are stupid. And so, they minimize the sizing of the mirrors.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 18:15Doug DeMuro?

  But maybe putting mirrors on this car at all is proof that they're considering a production.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  It does seem like getting rid of door handles ended up being a step too far, and most manufacturers are walking that back, either due to regulatory or just, hey, it gets cold out, and that's a problem.

• 18:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, although, getting rid of door handles is an aero benefit.

• 18:31Speaker 05

  Sorry, what does the cold and door handles have to do with it?

• 18:33Doug DeMuro?

  Because you've never lived in a cold place, but Nick and I-

• 18:36Speaker 05

  I have.

• 18:36Doug DeMuro?

  Nick and I are long-term people.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  When we were kids in Toledo, Ohio.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, that's right, that's right.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  It would freeze over.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  Down at the Jeep factory.

• 18:43Doug DeMuro?

  One experience with a cold place, he lived in Harlem.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:46Doug DeMuro?

  But he didn't have a car, so it doesn't count.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  You know so much, like, weird trivia about him.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  I lived in Brooklyn and I had a car. So, I mean, you're close, kind of.

• 18:53Doug DeMuro?

  One or the other. Harlem would have been better because it's colder, it's further north. Anyway, the point is-

• 18:57Speaker 05

  A little bit, yeah.

• 18:58Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, when it's cold, those pop-out door handles ice over.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Right, right, right, right.

• 19:03Doug DeMuro?

  And when we're in Toledo, Ohio, as kids, running down the street with all the abandoned buildings.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 19:10Doug DeMuro?

  It's cold, and you need your door handles to work.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  Okay, appreciate the explanation on that.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Plus, if the battery dies, the door handles can't pop out. There's a number of reasons why it just hasn't been great. China started to basically put in regulations saying, "Stop doing that. It's not gonna comply." But I think the same thing would happen with mirrors. If we got rid of them full stop, like, people would, consumers would backlash and say, "I kinda like them."

• 19:32Speaker 05

  I am not recommending the removal of mirrors as a practical item, but on a design study like this-

• 19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's kinda weird.

• 19:38Speaker 05

  I don't get why there are mirrors and why they have stripes, or why the Quadrifoglio badge is enormous and kind of outlined.

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  They wanted, they knew people would be talking about it. They wanted the picture out of there.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  I'm talking about it. I like, no, on the front grille is great.

• 19:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  It's a good-looking car.

• 19:50Doug DeMuro?

  That's what you do on the quarter panel. It's a historic design element. Sean is sitting over there nodding, an Alpha man.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  I have an Alpha man. I have the Quadrifoglio badge on the C pillar where it belongs, as a badge.

• 20:02Doug DeMuro?

  Not enough of one.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 20:04Speaker 04

  A car without mirrors, to me, looks like a human without ears. Like, it just looks-

• 20:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's a little weird.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  It's, it looks, it looks like something's missing.

• 20:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so Paris Motor Show has primarily been about concept cars, nothing too crazy. It's been a little, a little, the auto shows don't really get the debut.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  I mean, honestly, auto shows in general have kind of fallen out of favor, and concept cars have also fallen out of favor. Most brands are just doing like these weird AI press releases and such. So I'm glad there's still some imagination, some creativity. Like, the multiplayer, didn't expect that when I woke up this morning, and here we are.

• 20:37Doug DeMuro?

  Here we are.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  I'll give them credit for trying and credit for like, taking some bigger swings.

• 20:41Speaker 05

  And not everything is an EV anymore. So the less expensive cars, like we looked at before, definitely going EV. Manufacturers are leaning in there, but this type of stuff, ice engines, more performance, more emotion, and so it's not as one-note as they were previously.

• 20:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's what we hope. Uh, okay. Move on to the next car, which, oh, this.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  I'm excited about this.

• 21:01Doug DeMuro?

  I think this is incredibly cool. Nick had some other thing.

• 21:04Speaker 05

  You didn't, you didn't love it.

• 21:05Doug DeMuro?

  Let's introduce what it is. So, Nick, do you want to tell us?

• 21:08Speaker 04

  It's an Acura NSX.

• 21:09Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you for saying it properly.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  That has been reimagined. It will be sold through Graham Rahal, another wonderful Midwest gem.

• 21:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Of, that, that Dan and I cherish from our childhoods.

• 21:20Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  Uh, and it is basically the singerized version of the Acura. It is a new body kit. I, I have not read further because this is 100% not my gem. I prefer the original, but I think there will be people that are into this.

• 21:32Doug DeMuro?

  I think this, first off, I love the original NSX. Okay? Love it. He does too.

• 21:38Speaker 05

  I do.

• 21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Even though he's a Corvette man.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  I am a Corvette man.

• 21:40Doug DeMuro?

  I love the original NSX. However, there are tens of, Nick was upset about this car before the podcast started. Why don't you tell us why you're upset?

• 21:47Speaker 04

  I, I, I kinda hate them all. The Diablo Eccentricas, the 355 Evolutos, like to me, what makes those cars special is their analog, their old fashionedness. Basically, their flaws, to me, make them attractive. And so to round out all the flaws and to modernize a car that its primary benefit is the lack of modernity, to me, is like, I, I don't know.

• 22:08Doug DeMuro?

  Totally reasonable. My counterpoint would be, this is beautiful. The motor's been breathed on. It's got 425 horsepower. These, I knew they were like 250 or something. And you can still get an original NSX.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:21Doug DeMuro?

  They are quite available. There are thousands and thousands of them out there in the world. This is just for people who want maybe an original NSX. We know Honda will never make a, a good NSX again. We know that, right? They'll never do like a, that, that sweet, sweet manual and like, it's never gonna be that size. So like, here's a car, an original NSX with the powertrain's been upped a little bit. You still have a manual transmission. You still have the same size. But now you get like LED lights and maybe a little bit more modern design language and that sort of thing. Do we have a problem with that?

• 22:52Speaker 04

  I think you're such an enigma that you are the guy that I, I want everything to be bone stock, how the factory made it and the press color. And then you can like a resto mod from like a.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  I like most of the resto.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  This to me, looks like you are like gonna boost some DVD players from Johnny Tran on a unmarked shipping container.

• 23:10Speaker 05

  This is, this is a good one. This still looks like an NSX. I, I think for me, like what I see here is like what Gordon Murray did with the S1.

• 23:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Which still kind of looks like an F1, but modernized. Or, I, I will say, this is the thing I've been most excited about in this space since Prodrive did the P25.

• 23:26Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with that.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  Which was a GCA done just right. And this has that same level of separation. It's a little more digital on the inside. It's pinien fadina, if I'm saying that correctly.

• 23:36Doug DeMuro?

  Are you telling me that you weren't excited by the Jaguar XJS Resto mod that, uh, who did that?

• 23:42Speaker 05

  CWR.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and with a collaboration with Magnus Walker.

• 23:47Doug DeMuro?

  You weren't pumped about that?

• 23:48Speaker 05

  I actually did think that was kinda cool. It's a little bulldoggy, but no, like, this is something that I'm actually quite interested in. And JAS, who's the manufacturer, is a Honda-backed race car thing. They do all their TCR cars, their World Challenge cars. They have legit racing history.

• 24:05Doug DeMuro?

  In Italy.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  I assume they're in Italy.

• 24:10Doug DeMuro?

  You know another thing that makes me like it? Yeah, I like, I like stock, but like this looks like a stock, modern reinterpretation. You know what I mean?

• 24:19Speaker 05

  It does.

• 24:19Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't look like they went crazy. You think they went crazy?

• 24:22Speaker 04

  I think it is just missing the zesty drift decal to be full-blown like Street Tuner magazine cover story.

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Like the front profile is exactly the same. It's got bigger wheel arches. They cleaned up the side profile to make it look more modern. This is good. The wing is not insane. The headlights still pop up.

• 24:38Doug DeMuro?

  Do an NSX, a modern day old NSX, this is what it would look like.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  And it's got Alibaba CarPlay and he bought the rims on eBay.

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Oh, come on.

• 24:45Doug DeMuro?

  You, you, mister, I'm driving your, your manual swapped car and the transmission lever comes off in my hand. You're gonna complain about a this, which actually looks top quality? You?

• 24:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:56Doug DeMuro?

  Where'd you get that vest, Nick?

• 24:58Speaker 04

  Patagonia.

• 24:58Doug DeMuro?

  Did you get it from Patagonia or did you get it from a yard sale?

• 25:01Speaker 04

  No, I actually bought this, well.

• 25:03Doug DeMuro?

  OE?

• 25:04Speaker 04

  A friend of a friend works there and once a year we get a friends and family discount. And so I got it at a good deal, which.

• 25:11Doug DeMuro?

  Do you make like a list waiting for the once a year to come and then?

• 25:15Speaker 04

  It was basically my dad, for Christmas, this is how he gifts us. He says, okay, the order bank is open, gives us a budget, and then I shoehorn as much as I can into that.

• 25:24Doug DeMuro?

  That seems right. Uh, okay. Then the biggest debut of the week is...

• 25:31Doug DeMuro?

  Nope, next.

• 25:31Speaker 05

  No, not that.

• 25:32Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want to even talk about it.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  Great.

• 25:33Doug DeMuro?

  The new Porsche Mission, whatever it's called. Now, I'm gonna, I want to tell you all something. We record this podcast before it airs. I know you think it's live, people, but it isn't. It can't be because he's too offensive.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  I've only been edited once so far.

• 25:49Speaker 05

  I have now come to learn. The rumors, they are true.

• 25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  I'm horrified.

• 25:53Doug DeMuro?

  So.

• 25:53Speaker 05

  And entertained.

• 25:54Doug DeMuro?

  We, by the time you're watching this, you already know all about the Mission 8, Mission S, Mission X, Mission E, whatever the hell they're calling it. But we don't.

• 26:02Speaker 05

  We know nothing.

• 26:03Doug DeMuro?

  We're gonna speculate. And here's my speculation.

• 26:07Doug DeMuro?

  Twin turbocharged flat eight with a 1,200 horsepower, no hybrid component, it's manual transmission, single seat.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  I like flat eight. Turbo, less excited about.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  Not a turbo man.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  Single seat. I am a turbo man in certain cases, but a, like a high revving flat eight in this, which is like a 9048? Six, 906.

• 26:32Doug DeMuro?

  I don't get it.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  We'll go 906.

• 26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  You know, hearkens back, as you, as you like to say. That's exciting.

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  Never said that.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  But like, look, look at the, the, uh, TAC, only goes to seven and a half. Is this an actual picture from Porsche? Can we verify? That would suggest turbo.

• 26:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, or maybe it's like an Arnage.

• 26:52Speaker 04

  Like it had a 4,500 RPM. It was awesome.

• 26:55Speaker 05

  The return to diesel.

• 26:56Doug DeMuro?

  The return of diesel. Everybody else is getting out of diesel, they're getting in.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  You know what's funny is, is everyone's like, oh, it's not gonna be a 918 successor. It'll be like a slot below that. The Carrera GT, you could argue, was a slot below the 918 when it came. Like, it wasn't that expensive. The, the bodywork and all that was like fairly iterative. Like, it wasn't meant to be this like extreme halo car. It was like, just turn the dial up like one notch.

• 27:17Doug DeMuro?

  The Carrera GT was intended to be a halo car. That, that's why they used a Formula One motor.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  The, the price point wasn't that extreme. It was like 300K.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  I think is, no, it was 450 and the 918 was eight, 800.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Okay, so for inflation.

• 27:28Doug DeMuro?

  About the same. And plus, remember, the competitive set was the same. It was the top Ferrari in the top.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  I felt like everyone was underwhelmed by the CGT at the time, saying it wasn't ambitious enough. It was sort of like a.

• 27:39Doug DeMuro?

  Well, having worked at Porsche when the 918 debuted, I'm gonna tell you, everyone felt that way about the 918 too. Over the years, the 918's legend has grown. It was not the easiest automobile to sell. And I'll tell you, the design being iterative, that was one of the big complaints we got about the 918 at the time. And the fact that it was an automatic and a hybrid and it was not that special. And oh my God, the Carrera GT was this manual V10. Why don't you do that again? It's ironic, because 10 years earlier, we'd have the exact same problem selling Carrera GTs. And now here, here, there were, here were the people complaining. Again, well, now both cars are worth tens of millions of dollars.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Both of those cars look way better now than they did when they came out. I thought they were both underwhelming when they came out. A 918, which you see very infrequently. I see Carrera GTs more often.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 05

  Because of you. Um, if you go look at one right now, the way the, the gauges stick off the dash, the carbon fiber work, I mean, it really does look super special. When it came out, it is a little too iterative.

• 28:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it wa, it didn't look as special. And remember, the, the big rivals were the P1 and the LaFerrari. And the 918 production numbers was more than both those cars combined. And I remember that was a big, big thing. And in fact, the car was selling so poorly that I still remember sitting in the conference room B when we came up with the idea to do a program where if you bought a 918, you'd get free allocations on all those, these special cars for the rest of time.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  Did that actually happen?

• 28:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That would, the 918 program, it changed, it changed Porsche. It changed the whole thing. People bought 918s because of it and then they, and then Porsche's star took off after that. And then all these guys got GT3s and GT4s. And to this day, one of the reasons they make so many of their special production cars is because the 918 list still needs, they need to be able to create one for every one of the 918, 918 people.

• 29:18Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  Which is why like, there's like 2,000 to cars and 2,000 of this and that, when there used to be smaller production numbers. It is still a thing to this day.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  And what was that program called?

• 29:27Doug DeMuro?

  It was like the, the 918 VIP.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Oh, it didn't have like a cool code name?

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• 31:06Speaker 04

  Do you think, so do you think Porsche will learn their lesson from having sort of a underwhelming halo car to like over-correct here? Or do you think we're gonna get another one where we all like, hmm?

• 31:15Doug DeMuro?

  I think if you really look at it, a lot of the halo cars are underwhelming at first, all the brands. Enzo had so many complaints. Looks like a cricket, like there was so much, it's so ugly, the nose is so long, it's an automatic. Like, I think a lot of the halo cars don't get a lot of love right away. And, and, and because there's just every kid on the internet's coming in, you know? And then 10 years passes, 20 years passes, those kids can afford them. And life kind of changes.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  I mean, if you look at-

• 31:44Doug DeMuro?

  F50 got so much hate.

• 31:45Speaker 05

  F50 got a ton of hate.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Some of the concepts floating around this look like a Le Mans prototype or like a Sizzinger style, like full-blown race car. So like, there's a possibility that is really extreme. I also am not entirely, like, I think of a lot of the exotic cars I love and like, I don't remember being underwhelmed by a lot of them.

• 32:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't know. I'm, I'm curious to see. Porsche's, I'll say this, Porsche's three halo supercars have all been poorly received.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. I agree with that on Porsche. But in general-

• 32:14Doug DeMuro?

  Let's see how it goes.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  I liked the Enzo when it came out, the LaFerrari. None of those, to me, were misses.

• 32:18Doug DeMuro?

  And I mean, to the customer base, they all, they all were successful, they all were fine.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  I think Porsche should troll, though. And then the big release just put out like a Luce that has a Porsche badge on it. Be like, here's our cool new car!

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  What would be really cool, obviously, is a big motor and a manual transmission.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:34Doug DeMuro?

  If they were to do a bit, which, and I think, by the way, I think it'll have neither. I think it'll have a small motor with a hybrid assist, and I think it'll have an automatic transmission. But I think a big motor and a manual-

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:44Doug DeMuro?

  In the space of an 849 Testarossa and a Revuelto and other cars in the 700K price point would be an amazing kind of like, we are Porsche, we are still in this for the enthusiast kind of thing.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  The tachometer here would suggest that it likely, you know, you've got a gear five. Yeah, but you've, you've got, it's not gonna be a Luce, we know that much.

• 33:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's not gonna be a Luce, but it's not, it's not gonna be the supercar I want. I mean, Porsche's financial situation isn't amazing right now. I don't think they can afford to take the risk on an $800,000 manual transmission car if they're trying to sell it on any volume, which I think this car will be tried to sell in volume. But it'd be cool.

• 33:22Speaker 05

  You gotta give some credit, at least they, you know, moved off the Mission S, which no one was excited about. Although, design-wise, I thought that was a very good-looking car.

• 33:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I think people would be happy if they took that design and put a V8 in it, or a flat eight, or whatever.

• 33:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:36Doug DeMuro?

  But I suspect that's not what this is gonna be.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 33:38Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's gonna be cheaper.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  The audience will know.

• 33:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you'll know.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Before we do.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  Before we do, but this is before that?

• 33:44Doug DeMuro?

  My presumption is that they're gonna show a prototype, not a production car. All the Mission Porsches have been prototypes.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 33:52Doug DeMuro?

  But I think it will be very instructive of what the production car will look like. Porsche is one of those companies that doesn't do prototypes unless they're gonna do a production version.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. But that- Well, they clearly have the key figured out.

• 34:03Doug DeMuro?

  The key's figured out, it's gonna be, you're gonna wear it around your neck.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  For those listening, the, the, the only thing they've given us is a badge on the hood, a tachometer that makes-

• 34:12Doug DeMuro?

  He said, listen-

• 34:13Speaker 05

  And a key.

• 34:14Doug DeMuro?

  He said, I don't watch this podcast, I listen.

• 34:16Speaker 05

  I do listen to it.

• 34:17Doug DeMuro?

  It annoys the hell out of me when you don't describe what's on the screen.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  And I made that mistake, and you corrected it, at this table, which Doug, great way to run with that feedback, I appreciate it.

• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  All right, well, it's okay, actually, Sean's been giving me that feedback for two and a half years, and I haven't done much with it.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  Do you get a formal performance review here?

• 34:36Doug DeMuro?

  No, which is sad.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Like, would you like one?

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Some needs improvements?

• 34:40Doug DeMuro?

  It wouldn't do much, I think it'd be a waste of time for everyone.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  I want to know more about your expense reports and what, what makes it on to it or not.

• 34:47Doug DeMuro?

  We can get into that during the questions, there's a lot of questions for Dan about stuff like that. All right, next news story, is this our final one? Porsche's increasing prices because they are, they are not making enough money. I'm gonna tell you about Porsche's profits. Couple years ago, they were billions of euros. Last year, they were 50 euros.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  1% margin.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  1%.

• 35:06Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't as much of an exaggeration as it sounds like. Anyway, things are tough, and so what they've decided to do is they're gonna charge more money?

• 35:14Speaker 04

  It's a pretty smart business move.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  On their top-end cars, I actually think the business story here is fun. Can I borrow your vest?

• 35:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 05

  Put my business suit on.

• 35:21Doug DeMuro?

  Dan is a suit! I forgot to say that in my intro.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  I am not a suit.

• 35:25Doug DeMuro?

  You know what he is? Can I tell you something? He's a suit, and he shoots down all my good ideas. People, if you ever want to know why stuff, cool stuff, doesn't happen, I bring Dan good ideas. And you know what he says? "No, Doug, we cannot take all the cars in the office and launch them off a bridge to see what happens."

• 35:39Speaker 05

  I do say that.

• 35:40Doug DeMuro?

  Do you?

• 35:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:42Doug DeMuro?

  I am hamstrung by the, by the bureaucracy of this organization.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  It is good to know with Filippo gone, there's still one voice of reason left in the company.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  There's like a half a voice of reason, yes. So, let's talk about the business case here, because it's interesting. So Doug is right, Porsche used to make money, then they stopped making money. 1% margin last year. What I think is interesting here, they have a new CEO, his last name is Leiter, Leter?

• 36:05Doug DeMuro?

  I don't participate in the executives, Filippo does.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Okay, well, it's, it's one of those two. He was at Porsche in the heyday, like 2010s, 2013s, making all the money. Then he went to Ferrari, saw that playbook, and then he was at McLaren for the past couple of years. And at McLaren, his job was to get that thing stable and sell it, which he did. They were losing lots of money, they started losing less money. And there's some things that translate across, which is, there was a lot of complexity in the products that they were making, and they had issues selling cars in China. Porsche has issues selling cars in China, that's really affected its stock price. Porsche also is 75% owned by VW, so as VW goes, Porsche goes. I feel like I'm losing you here, you don't sound so interesting.

• 36:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is, you're, you're right so far.

• 36:44Speaker 05

  Okay. Oh, do you know these facts?

• 36:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I pay attention a little.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Okay, good. Anyway, where I'm heading with all of this is VW wrote down $7 billion of value off of Porsche not too long ago. And that's because their forward-looking sales, they just didn't have the juice. China's part of that, cars not selling are part of it. So their plan is, let's take the Ferrari playbook, let's be more of a luxury company, and let's really make sure that the high-end cars we have are not only hard to get, but are expensive. And I think the parallel here that most of us can relate to is, for years, if you went to go buy a Porsche GT car, you're paying like 100K ADM.

• 37:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  And if I am the CEO of Porsche, which I am not, I'm looking at that, I'm like, I would like that 100K. The market supports that price, they're gonna try and capture it. And then they also said they want to do six times the business through Sanderwunsch?

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. The drawback to that strategy, which Ferrari is now doing, is that the dealers are, that today's Porsche dealers are the happiest guys in the world. When Porsche comes in and tries to take that margin, it is a lot harder to put down Macan EVs on the dealers. And Ferrari's already finding that out, and they're gonna find it out big time with Luce, right? If, if, if Ferrari looks the other way while the dealers are making a, you know, kickback on every car, the dealers will let you jam down 612s and FFs down their throats. The day that Porsche decides they want all that cash for themselves, which is totally reasonable, by the way, because yeah, the market supports that pricing. Is the day that the dealers say, if you give me one more Macan EV

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  so I can put it on my overflow lot, I'm gonna fly to Atlanta myself and start killing people. That's, that's, that's the problem with that strategy, and we'll see how it plays out for Porsche, I'm curious, I don't know. I think you have to let the dealers make, still make some of this ADM in order to not have things go totally the other way.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  They're shifting where the margin sits in the stack, and that is gonna change things a fair bit.

• 38:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  But for Ferrari, it's been very successful, and you know, particularly for a large company like this, you're looking at stock price. Ferrari changes, uh, Ferrari has three times the multiple that Porsche does today. And that's a huge gap, and so it's hard not to go, well, maybe we should do that too.

• 38:52Doug DeMuro?

  Which goes back to the car we were just talking about. I think that going after cars in segments like that makes sense. Porsche has basically let their 911 products stand as their halo cars for a long time. And you can buy a 911 for a half million dollars right now, the craziest ones. But like, why not have a distinct product cost $800,000, and presumably you can make even more money on that car? And I, by the way, I suspect that the previous car, Mission S, will not be a limited production car. Although I'm sure there will be many limited production versions, like the Alpine Skiing Edition.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Here for that?

• 39:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah!

• 39:22Speaker 04

  It's definitely their target demo there.

• 39:24Doug DeMuro?

  Remember that?

• 39:26Speaker 05

  Nice, nice green, green color Sweden, Sweden?

• 39:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, it was only in countries that the Alps went through, but they specifically didn't include Slovenia.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, that was just a couple of weeks ago.

• 39:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they

• 39:37Speaker 04

  I was thinking of the Volkswagen, remember they had a collaboration with K2 skis?

• 39:41Doug DeMuro?

  You remember that?

• 39:42Speaker 04

  And you bought a Jetta and you could get either the skis or the snowboard and then they Trek Edition and you could get them out.

• 39:46Speaker 05

  Trek Edition, that is the one.

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  The Trek and the K2.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, a wild thing to do.

• 39:52Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, yeah, those bikes are all gone. Do you remember the Lexus Coach cars?

• 39:57Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:58Doug DeMuro?

  Lexus did Coach Edition, it got luggage.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  I mean, Neiman Marcus had a lot, there were a lot of cool throwbacks and collabs.

• 40:04Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Neiman Marcus every year used to have a car in their catalog that was like, you could only buy it through Neiman Marcus.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 40:10Speaker 05

  What about the Mercury minivan? Nautica.

• 40:12Doug DeMuro?

  Nautica, yeah. Well, there was a time when all of the

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was the thing.

• 40:16Doug DeMuro?

  All of the, like, there was a Grand Cherokee Orvis and there was an Outback LL Bean and there was a

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Eddie Bauer Bronco Explorer, et cetera, et cetera.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  That was a big thing. Did you have one of those?

• 40:26Speaker 05

  I did not.

• 40:27Doug DeMuro?

  What did you, what was your car as a child growing up?

• 40:30Speaker 05

  Uh, Jeeps.

• 40:32Doug DeMuro?

  Your Jeep?

• 40:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, Cherokees, not Grand Cherokee.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  The Toledo Connect.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  1989, black with the gold trim. That was, that was a good one.

• 40:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, well, you had a Limited.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  It was a Limited, yes.

• 40:41Speaker 04

  Ooh, fancy.

• 40:42Doug DeMuro?

  You grew up, okay, what else, what did you have after the Jeeps?

• 40:46Speaker 05

  We had

• 40:47Doug DeMuro?

  Was there four liter Jeeps probably? 2.8 maybe, back then?

• 40:49Speaker 05

  That's a four liter, a straight six?

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:52Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Not an Iron Duke, that's something else.

• 40:53Doug DeMuro?

  2.8 V6 was prior to the four liter in those Jeeps. It happened in the late 80s, I don't remember.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  So there was a series of Jeeps. So there was that, then there was a Grand Cherokee, like a 93.

• 41:03Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh, first original Grand Cherokee.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, which was that sparkly green.

• 41:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  The wheels that had like a little gold trim on the inside and the big fluffy seats.

• 41:11Doug DeMuro?

  Another Limited, yeah, the, yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, that car was not

• 41:13Speaker 05

  That was followed up by a

• 41:15Speaker 04

  5.9 liter Limited with the big block?

• 41:18Speaker 05

  Jeep Liberty.

• 41:19Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see the 5.9 Limited we just sold?

• 41:21Speaker 05

  No.

• 41:22Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up. It may be still listed, actually.

• 41:24Speaker 05

  This thing is, the high school dream.

• 41:25Doug DeMuro?

  The 5.9 Limited?

• 41:26Speaker 05

  High school dream, oh god.

• 41:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, if you're a Jeep person.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Oh my god, who, who was not a 5.9 Jeep person?

• 41:32Doug DeMuro?

  I even, here, just sold.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  One year only, and a white one?

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Those hood louvers alone were every penny.

• 41:39Doug DeMuro?

  The hood louvers and the wheels.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 41:40Doug DeMuro?

  5.9.

• 41:41Speaker 05

  This is great.

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  It was only 235 horsepower, I think, but it was a big torque number.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  Doug, you might not know, these things ran like a 16, 8.

• 41:47Doug DeMuro?

  They were the quickest, they were the quickest SUVs at the time.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  Great wood.

• 41:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, imagine driving around one of these.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  I

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  Tough grill, tough grill.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  And you see, like, a lesson for Alpha, if you go back to the side profile.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  I'll work on it.

• 41:59Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the aero keys, okay.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  You see, you see, that's how you do a badge subtly, on a fence.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's the

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  The kind of star.

• 42:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  Just subtly

• 42:07Speaker 05

  It's just, it's just a kiss.

• 42:08Doug DeMuro?

  Integrated right in there.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  I actually commented on this listing.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 42:12Doug DeMuro?

  I like, I grew up in Colorado and SUVs were all anybody drove and so like the, and so it was kind of boring.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:18Doug DeMuro?

  So then this came out and it was like, whoa, there's an SUV that is like, cool, holy crap. And then it died. Yeah, it was 98 only and then 99 came and then it was all over. Uh, anyway, Porsche is gonna make money. What do you think? You think Porsche will survive?

• 42:33Speaker 05

  I mean, they'll definitely survive. I think they need a little

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  They'll make it through this?

• 42:36Speaker 05

  They need a little independence from Volkswagen.

• 42:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 42:39Speaker 05

  They have some now, because it's not the same CEO running both companies anymore. But the focus is gonna be on finances.

• 42:45Doug DeMuro?

  You think they should spin off Porsche? Wow.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  I just think they need to focus on Porsche and not just focus on how many Macan EVs can we jam down the throats?

• 42:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Although, the Macan GTS EV looks pretty good.

• 42:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Macan EV is an excellent product. The Cayenne EV is an excellent product.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  Have you driven the GTS?

• 43:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 05

  And?

• 43:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's great. They're all great.

• 43:07Speaker 05

  Is it 125K grade?

• 43:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, probably, but the market has really turned away from that stuff. And we want plug-in hybrids. Nick, we want a plug-in hybrid where the tailgate sometimes tries, sometimes tries to eat you.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, that happens sometimes.

• 43:19Doug DeMuro?

  It happens to him.

• 43:20Speaker 05

  I've been hit by a tailgate in the head, it's not good.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Was it a Kia Sorento?

• 43:23Speaker 05

  No, it was a beloved JLR product, a Range Rover, you may be familiar.

• 43:28Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we need to move on, we need to move on, I think to the talk cars thing, is that the end of the news story?

• 43:32Speaker 04

  One part, this came out just like an hour ago, for us, for you all, it's old news. But at the Paris Motor Show, an executive from Volkswagen said that they are working on a Generation 2 and they're gonna try to address many of the faults that held back the Generation 1 of the ID Buzz. Namely, its price point being a little too much, some of the technology, the range, but most importantly, that especially in the US, we only got the big boy, we didn't get the little guy, so.

• 43:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know that there's a savior for the ID Buzz. I think honestly, the market has moved away from EVs. I think that there, people are just not that interested.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:07Doug DeMuro?

  However, faster charging, better range, lower price, smaller body style would go a pretty long way.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, they took the right notes from everyone's feedback. Is it too little, too late?

• 44:16Doug DeMuro?

  Probably.

• 44:17Speaker 05

  Is this the only EV minivan?

• 44:19Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, it's the only full electric minivan.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  Unless you count the Lucid Gravity.

• 44:25Doug DeMuro?

  The Lucid Gravity.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, okay, that's, that's fair, but that doesn't have sliding doors. So it's just, it's, you know, it's close.

• 44:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's close.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  They were both failures.

• 44:32Speaker 05

  But I would have, I would have thought EV minivan would be a thing that the people would want.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I, the families still like their hybrids and plug-in hybrids. That Sienna, which came out four years ago, is still in short supply. You still cannot get a Sienna if you go to a Toyota dealership. You still have to wait and pay sticker and sometimes over

• 44:51Speaker 05

  Porsche, take a look at the Sienna.

• 44:53Doug DeMuro?

  Get into the, get into the hybrid minivan market.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  That's where you need to go.

• 44:56Doug DeMuro?

  The, the minivan thing is interesting, you know, it's, it's a small market, there's only three competitors, really. Um, four. But Toyota owns it, what's this hybrid thing? And Honda's like afraid to go down that route and

• 45:08Speaker 05

  The Odyssey's, the Odyssey's gotta be 12 years old now, right?

• 45:10Doug DeMuro?

  But it still sells because you can't get a Sienna and Honda dumped a bunch of money into EVs that they had to write down. So they're like, alright, we're just gonna keep rolling with the old Odyssey, which still is

• 45:18Speaker 04

  Well, plus you got three options and a Chrysler product is one of them, so really you have two options.

• 45:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's like, okay, I don't want to pay over for a Sienna, I guess I'm getting an Odyssey. There is a Kia as well, which is a pretty competent car.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:28Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, which actually leads us to our first talk cars

• 45:31Speaker 04

  Oh no.

• 45:32Doug DeMuro?

  Point, which is, I don't want to talk about this, we're way too, we're over it. Uh, we're done already?

• 45:38Speaker 04

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• 46:42Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know about the Sanyang Rodeo?

• 46:45Speaker 04

  I do not.

• 46:46Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly. So you, Mr. Fiat Multipla.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:51Doug DeMuro?

  I love my Fiat Multipla, look at this Fiat Multipla concept car, I imported a Fiat Multipla. Do you know that at the same time the Fiat Multipla was being forced upon the European people, there was just as ugly of a car being forced upon the European people, but set by a Korean brand? And you have no idea about it?

• 47:09Speaker 04

  I

• 47:10Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the Sanyang Rodeo, pull it up!

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, you think I'm gonna be able to spell that? Sanyang

• 47:16Speaker 05

  This is an SUV, right?

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Rodeo?

• 47:18Doug DeMuro?

  It, rodeo.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  Bulbousy kind of thing?

• 47:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was a minivan SUV, it was intended to look like a yacht, pull it up on images, please. Now, Nick, this, right here, click on, click on, no, no, that's the second gen. That's, click on the first gen, there you go, that. Actually, you know what? This picture is probably the very best one.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  Oh wow.

• 47:35Doug DeMuro?

  French plates on this picture.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  It reminds me of the Mercedes with a B-Class kind of in the rear.

• 47:39Doug DeMuro?

  It upsets me that you are so, oh, I love the Multipla, where are you on this? This is importable in a year or two. I want to see you in a Sanyang Rodeo.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  If I learned anything from the Multipla, it ain't worth the effort.

• 47:51Doug DeMuro?

  Do you agree with me, though, that it's interesting and maybe a little disappointing that we have coalesced around the Multipla and cars like that, the Aventine?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  I, I drive a Korean car, okay? You can't accuse me. I have a friend of that race, unlike you. Where's your Kia?

• 48:07Doug DeMuro?

  I had a Kia!

• 48:08Speaker 04

  You had?

• 48:10Doug DeMuro?

  I hope that when this becomes legal, which is apparently in three years, I was 24.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Truly.

• 48:17Doug DeMuro?

  That people bring this over with the same gumption and appreciation that we love the Aztec and the Multipla and the Aventin and all these other stupid cars. This deserves recognition.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  You, that's all you, buddy.

• 48:32Doug DeMuro?

  If Myron Vernis doesn't import one of these, another Ohio man, I'll be really upset.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  You know, the Multipla, funny anecdote to that. The guy posted on Instagram, the new owner, and the car was wrapped yellow and Netflix rented it out for the summer to use it for a movie that they're shooting to make it look European or whatnot. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. My Multipla was in a Netflix thing. And I commented like, that's amazing. And he goes, oh yeah, thank you for introducing me to them. I had forgotten Netflix reached out to me and I put him in touch and was genuinely surprised that the Multipla-

• 49:02Doug DeMuro?

  I told you, you can't remember anything.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  And apparently part of their payment for renting the car for the summer was that they fixed the leaking power steering that I never fixed for him. So, I wonder if they paid him anything on top? Who knows? But my Multipla will be in some Netflix show.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's a pretty good deal.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. I bet that was actually way harder than they bargained for.

• 49:20Doug DeMuro?

  If you had a Sangyong Rodeo, it could be in like a K-pop video.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  That would be sick.

• 49:24Doug DeMuro?

  Are you thinking you might want to pop into one of these when it, uh, when it's importable?

• 49:29Speaker 05

  I'm just focused on those taillights.

• 49:31Doug DeMuro?

  You agree with my point.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  The front is not better.

• 49:34Speaker 05

  I'm seeing Mercedes-Benz somehow.

• 49:36Doug DeMuro?

  Do you at least agree with my point that it is upsetting that we have focused so much on these other cars and no one is talking about what might be the worst? The Rodeo.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  This is worse, yes, than any platypus-inspired vehicle. But there's, there's no charm here. This is a charmless slab of a vehicle.

• 49:56Doug DeMuro?

  The charm is its ugliness.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  This is a worse Aztec.

• 49:59Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue that that is the racism right there. Saying that there's no charm in the Korean. No, the Koreans have charm.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  The Koreans absolutely have charm.

• 50:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's bad, just like the Aventin and the Multipla are bad.

• 50:10Speaker 05

  There's, there's nothing going on here about where this car is from. I'm just looking at it and it kind of looks like a Rover in the front and some weird commercial Mercedes-Benz in the back and it's got no vibes.

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  I find it exceptionally charming. You know, this is the facelift, by the way. There was a pre-facelift, which is that one.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:28Doug DeMuro?

  The orangish gold one. That's pre-facelift.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  Pretty terrible color, too.

• 50:32Doug DeMuro?

  And then there was a facelift. Ooh, jeez. This is a tough car.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  That color is particularly tough.

• 50:38Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, the design inspiration was a yacht. It was supposed to make it seem like you were on a yacht. Does it, does it give that?

• 50:44Speaker 05

  It's not giving yacht.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, what is the, there's a boat manufacturer that has, I think it's Riviera, that has that styling queue that I think are the ugliest boats as well. So I could see that.

• 50:53Doug DeMuro?

  All I'm saying is you guys have turned, I, I expect you both to import Rodeos.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  You know, the reason I imported a Multipla-

• 50:58Doug DeMuro?

  I refuse.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Was because you and Filippo kept going on and on about how much you liked the Multipla and I said, alright, challenge accepted. So the reason I'm not importing this is because you and Filippo never hyped it enough to put it on my radar.

• 51:09Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna start hyping it today.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  You are the racist.

• 51:11Doug DeMuro?

  Go Rodeo.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 51:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh damn, he's turning it around. He's like the libs.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 51:15Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, okay. Okay.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Hey man, those convassers really got, they made some solid points.

• 51:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna start hyping the Rodeo. I want you to find a Rodeo. Now, the drawback is you'll never find one in Japan. You have to find one in Europe, which will be really hard, or Korea.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  I'm going there next week. London, actually.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the craziest thing? The car was designed by a British person.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 51:35Doug DeMuro?

  Over the phone. Okay, I want to, I want to talk about, I want to talk about Dan. The rest of the Talk Cars segment, I want to devote to Dan, who is, who is our god. He's, he runs our business. Everything you see here, Dan bought personally.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 51:54Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want you to pull up Dan's car. Dan is selling a Porsche on the site right now on CarsAndBids.com. And, uh, oh god.

• 52:01Speaker 05

  You got this, Nick.

• 52:02Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you get one of these? Why don't you man up?

• 52:04Speaker 05

  You know, I'm good.

• 52:06Doug DeMuro?

  You think Dan is gonna do it? Nick, you think typing Dan into the search bar?

• 52:12Speaker 05

  It works. There have been improvements to search. Follow, click. Look, look at this beauty. By the way, Doug, do you know where this car is gonna be appearing?

• 52:21Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be appearing at the Willow Springs Reimagined Event on Saturday, October 17, at Willow Springs. And you know who else is gonna be there? Dan is gonna be there.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  I'm gonna be there. And your 4GT is gonna be there.

• 52:32Doug DeMuro?

  My 4GT is gonna be there.

• 52:33Speaker 05

  And this, this, this auction and the auction of your 4GT have something in common. What's that?

• 52:38Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, they're ending right there in the paddock.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Something more interesting than that.

• 52:42Doug DeMuro?

  They both are manual transmission.

• 52:44Speaker 05

  More interesting than that.

• 52:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what is it?

• 52:46Speaker 05

  No reserve.

• 52:47Doug DeMuro?

  No reserve!

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Full commit.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  You know why? Because we believe in the product.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  We believe in the product.

• 52:51Doug DeMuro?

  We believe in Cars and Bids.

• 52:53Speaker 05

  And this was bought on Cars and Bids.

• 52:54Doug DeMuro?

  We know that our cars are gonna get bids.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  We are, yes, they are gonna get bids. I bought this on the site, selling it on the site, it's full circle, a round trip, as they call it. As I call it. I don't know.

• 53:06Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk to you about something in the listing that I noticed.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, did you, did you see something you didn't like?

• 53:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I saw something I didn't like and I want to talk about it.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  Okay, let's talk about it.

• 53:14Doug DeMuro?

  Scroll down, scroll down to the comments, please.

• 53:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:17Doug DeMuro?

  Someone asked Dan about the DME.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  Oh, they sure did.

• 53:21Doug DeMuro?

  The DME report. You can't sell a Porsche without people asking about DME. You know, I used to buy and sell Porsches back in the day and no one knew what a DME report was. Anyway, he pulled the DME. Stay here. It shows, it shows.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  You gotta go back, you gotta go back to the text.

• 53:34Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to the text. 21 ignitions in range one.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  21 ignitions.

• 53:38Doug DeMuro?

  Zero in two and three. Dan, what the hell?

• 53:41Speaker 05

  I'm not Nick. There's no, there's no money shifts happening here.

• 53:45Doug DeMuro?

  He, 21 in range one and zero in two and three. Did you drive the car?

• 53:52Speaker 05

  I'm disappointed by this DME report for a few reasons. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna lay them out for you, if I may. First off, a real DME report has six ranges. That's what it was on the 997. That is how it's supposed to go. Where the thing goes, you know, zone six is 13,000 RPM.

• 54:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  And, you know, just a little taste, like a kiss right there. That's how you know the car was left. This is only three ranges and I couldn't find anywhere online, on the entire internet-

• 54:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  An explanation of what those ranges were. But they asked and I gave.

• 54:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna give you an explanation right now. The reason you only got three ranges is because your DME knew that you drove the car so pathetically, it didn't even bother giving you the extra three ranges. It was like, screw this guy.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  I don't even think these happened during my-

• 54:37Doug DeMuro?

  Of course not.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Custody?

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  Dan, what happened? I want you to go out there. When you go home tonight, I want you to get in your 992 and I want you to over-rev the damn car a couple times.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  It's being preserved for the next caretaker. That's the word I was looking for. Okay?

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Gosh.

• 54:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, so this is your 992. You're selling it, no reserve. I, uh, you've had it, you've enjoyed it?

• 54:58Speaker 05

  I've had it for a year and a half. I've enjoyed it quite a bit.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna get? This is the Talk Cars. What are we getting to replace a 992?

• 55:05Speaker 05

  I'm doing a full reset.

• 55:06Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 55:06Speaker 05

  My entire collection will be coming on Cars and Bids over the next few months.

• 55:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, let me tell you what, let me try to remember what Dan's got.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, good luck.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  Diesel, diesel full-size Range Rover.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  Diesel L405 Range Rover.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  Ooh, yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 55:19Doug DeMuro?

  You thinking?

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Taste. Uh, I've already got one.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  One-owner car since new.

• 55:24Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Wow, you got, you're gonna get a fleece.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  Now my wife owned it for the first-

• 55:29Speaker 04

  You must pay him a lot of money to eat that kind of depreciation.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  I've gotten 10 years out of the thing. At this point, you know?

• 55:35Speaker 04

  And it's gonna get 10 years out of you.

• 55:36Doug DeMuro?

  The last couple of years have been shaky, haven't they?

• 55:37Speaker 05

  It's a write-off.

• 55:39Doug DeMuro?

  The last couple of years have been shaky.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  Uh, the last year, but now, now that's all been corrected.

• 55:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's been corrected.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  We're back off to the races.

• 55:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so, full-size diesel Range, Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison.

• 55:51Speaker 05

  Well done.

• 55:51Doug DeMuro?

  With a Duramax?

• 55:52Speaker 05

  Which gen?

• 55:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the first gen?

• 55:56Speaker 05

  New.

• 55:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's a-

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Well, they only made, it is the first gen of the ZR2 Bison, but it's a second-gen Colorado.

• 56:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, because the first gen was in like 2004.

• 56:04Speaker 05

  The tiny little truck.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 56:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, fair though. I like that level of-

• 56:08Speaker 05

  It is not a Duramax.

• 56:09Doug DeMuro?

  We're missing that from Filippo.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  It is not a Duramax.

• 56:11Doug DeMuro?

  Not a Duramax.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  I do like a diesel. I do tow with it, even though you believe that it can't tow.

• 56:15Doug DeMuro?

  Well-

• 56:16Speaker 05

  Why do you believe it can't tow?

• 56:17Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think you tow.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  I tow.

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I know you as a person and I don't think you tow.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  That the race car-

• 56:23Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I mean?

• 56:23Speaker 05

  Doug, you're not understanding.

• 56:24Doug DeMuro?

  When you look at him, you don't see a guy towing.

• 56:26Speaker 05

  Doug, Doug, you're not understanding. I am towing a Corvette.

• 56:28Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 56:29Speaker 05

  With my Chevy truck.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's American.

• 56:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's like an Elmo pulling a Diablo.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:34Doug DeMuro?

  Um, but wait, does this mean that you are going to sell your Corvette as well on Cars and Bids?

• 56:38Speaker 05

  The Corvette will never go.

• 56:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh wow.

• 56:40Speaker 05

  The Corvette's a forever car.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Tell us more about the Corvette.

• 56:42Speaker 05

  It is a C6 Z06, which is the car, peak car. 2008.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  It was the right time. All the good stuff was being made then.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  Bought it stock, drove it home, tore it apart. I've rebuilt it four times. It is exclusively a track car. It is not registered. You cannot drive it on the street. Uh, 2,700 pounds, roll cage, full rewire, standalone. It's got BMW ABS in it, which is its own crazy thing, full aero, all made in my office slash shop, as you were pointing out earlier. It's good stuff.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  He's got a standalone- And a shop. What do you got?

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Is this, do you actually take it to the track? Or is it like Johnny's M4 over here that just sits pretty in the garage?

• 57:24Doug DeMuro?

  Or Ryan Lopez's drift car.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  So, the thing with track cars is all cars that are track cars sit a lot.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  It is basically a potted plant.

• 57:31Speaker 04

  How many over revs?

• 57:32Speaker 05

  Instead of being in a pot, it is on a lift.

• 57:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  How many, all the over revs? And it has a manual swap, manual swap, because it's got a sequential gearbox in it. So the double, the double manual.

• 57:43Doug DeMuro?

  Was it auto?

• 57:44Speaker 05

  No, no, no, it was, they were all sticks. It was a manual. Now it has a more manual.

• 57:48Doug DeMuro?

  A more manual, yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Because the original manual was not manual enough.

• 57:51Doug DeMuro?

  Right. We got straight cut sequential gear.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  Just whining.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  Well, the first time it goes to Willow Springs before Willow Springs reimagined, or has it been to Willow Springs?

• 57:59Speaker 05

  It has been to Willow Springs. It has terrified me in turn eight and nine.

• 58:02Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, you're taking it to Willow to drive it on the track?

• 58:04Speaker 05

  No, I'm not taking it to Willow.

• 58:05Doug DeMuro?

  When was the last time you tracked it?

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Before I got this job. So, interestingly.

• 58:09Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we, he was more of a car guy when, now we screwed him.

• 58:13Speaker 05

  The last time I tracked it successfully, it's been to the track a few times in my Cars and Bids tenure, but it has not been working particularly well, which is the other thing with track cars.

• 58:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  Uh, but I think I'm gonna get it right this time. It's gonna go back out in season, which in LA, in SoCal is like December to April. Um, and so if I'm not on the all hands, Doug.

• 58:30Doug DeMuro?

  What about El Nino?

• 58:31Speaker 05

  You'll know where I am. What about it?

• 58:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's, El Nino is December to April.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, so?

• 58:35Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be raining.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  You don't drive that in the rain.

• 58:38Speaker 05

  It has traction control.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 58:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:42Doug DeMuro?

  Why?

• 58:42Speaker 05

  Because it has a standalone.

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  You put in, you put in straight cut gears and you left traction control?

• 58:47Speaker 05

  I added traction control.

• 58:48Doug DeMuro?

  You added traction control.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  It doesn't have any GM electronics in it.

• 58:51Doug DeMuro?

  How much power, I got it. How much power is this car making?

• 58:53Speaker 05

  It's like 600 to the wheels, 2,700 pounds.

• 58:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, can I ask you a question?

• 58:56Speaker 04

  That sounds fun.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 58:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  Back when I first met you.

• 58:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:59Doug DeMuro?

  When you had that built motor TTRS due to the money shift. You were legit, like this.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:05Doug DeMuro?

  Are you listening to this thinking, man, could be me?

• 59:08Speaker 04

  I could also have a track car that sits in my garage?

• 59:12Speaker 05

  A potted plant. Potted plant.

• 59:13Doug DeMuro?

  How much money are you in this car for?

• 59:15Speaker 05

  Uh, well, so theoretically, we're gonna be doing one of those Cars and Friends episodes.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  There's a long wind up here to give us a disappointing.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  25K, 50K, 100K, and unlimited. This car could fit into all of those buckets.

• 59:26Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right, right.

• 59:27Speaker 05

  Um, many, many dollars.

• 59:29Doug DeMuro?

  Many dollars.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  But the labor has all been free.

• 59:31Doug DeMuro?

  The labor, well, it's your time.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, but what's my time worth?

• 59:34Doug DeMuro?

  Are you over 100 grand in the car?

• 59:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:37Doug DeMuro?

  Over 200?

• 59:38Speaker 05

  I stopped counting when it came to 100.

• 59:40Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy. Well, at least you get to drive the car once a year.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that's right. I started up occasionally when, when people come up to visit. And they're like, oh, that's cool. And it's got the chop. You need the chop.

• 59:50Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  The good, the good news is you'll lose more money on this car than you will on your diesel Range Rover.

• 59:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. That makes the diesel Range Rover.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  That's the hardest part about track cars. You lose everything that you put into it. It is worth the raddest CO6.

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  You only lose the money if you sell it.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  Okay, so I will never lose a dollar on this car.

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  Never.

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  Because I will never suffer the embarrassment of selling.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  This is the math that your CEO has?

• 1:00:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:12Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, listen, people watching are gonna be like, you know, maybe he isn't a suit. And you know what? You're right, folks. I was wrong about all that. Now, speaking of standalone, can you go back to the main page? I wanna talk about.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  We're done with the car that quick?

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  Buy it at, well, we're not.

• 1:00:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no. We are not done with you or the car.

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:00:29Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna talk about your Subaru history. So, Dan used to tune Subarus.

• 1:00:34Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  You brought up that Prodrive, the GC8. By the way, he has no idea what a GC8 is. I'm just gonna put it out there right now. He has no idea. Ryan Lopez might know.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  I was planting the Subaru seed. I wanted to hook the Subaru guys early. Because I figured this would eventually come up.

• 1:00:47Doug DeMuro?

  Dan used to mod Subarus.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:00:49Doug DeMuro?

  Now, Nick doesn't care about Japanese cars. I love Japanese cars. Drove here today in an Icon.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Big Japanese guy.

• 1:00:57Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  I had a TSX.

• 1:00:59Doug DeMuro?

  You had a TSX for one month.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  It was like two or three, probably. Would've had it longer if it weren't for that Navigator.

• 1:01:05Doug DeMuro?

  I love Japanese cars. I love Subarus. Um, when I was a kid, I dreamed about having a Bugeye. But we couldn't afford it because times were tough.

• 1:01:16Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, uh, but Dan had them and modded them. Tell us about your illustrious career modding the hell out of Subarus.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  So, let's take it back.

• 1:01:25Doug DeMuro?

  Let's take it back.

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  A little bit, if I may.

• 1:01:27Doug DeMuro?

  You're at, you're at USC.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  I'm at USC. Uh, I am tuning Subarus on the two freeway between Eagle Rock and whatever hits the 215 on the weekends. I'm meeting people. I'm hooking my laptop up. I'm making adjustments.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  You're doing like custom tunes?

• 1:01:45Speaker 05

  Yes, on the freeway. On the freeway in college.

• 1:01:48Doug DeMuro?

  Dan's parents were legitimate people. What did, how did they feel about that?

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  Well, they didn't know about anything.

• 1:01:52Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, all right, good.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, the car thing, uh, confuddled them forever. But I'm doing, I'm doing this on the side. It's working pretty well. Um, I'm at USC. I'm like, I could build.

• 1:02:02Doug DeMuro?

  He's like, he's like trying to get a undergraduate.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  I can't wait for all the comments being like, Dan garneted my engine back in 2004.

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  Dan?

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  Allegedly. Never happened, not once. Uh, so I'm doing this. I'm like, there's a business to be had here, right? This is the early days of WRXs had just come out.

• 1:02:18Doug DeMuro?

  clandestine business not approved by the Bureau of Automotive Repair.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  This is, we're, we're far enough out of this. Uh, and so in 2004, I opened a shop in Torrance, California. Beautiful South Bay. It had a dyno. It had me.

• 1:02:32Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:02:32Speaker 05

  There was a lift.

• 1:02:33Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask, can I stop you real quick right there? So you graduated from USC.

• 1:02:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I opened this thing before I graduated because it opened in February.

• 1:02:40Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sure we're very proud of you. Their son, Daniel, had been raised right and went off to USC. He's gonna make something of himself. And then instead, you opened up a tuning shop in Torrance.

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:02:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay?

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, take us through how that went in, in, oh, and also, your, your college classmates were going off investment bank and, and consulting firms.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  No, one, one of my college classmates came to work at this shop.

• 1:03:10Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:03:11Speaker 05

  It was the entrepreneurship program. My parents were, I think, excited about the entrepreneurial drive. And I think really more than anything else, just a passion. I come through high school, early college. I'm a little listless. I don't really know what I wanna do.

• 1:03:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:22Speaker 05

  I, I, I, I see this opportunity and the energy and the commitment, whatever else, is infectious. And so while they had no clue whatsoever what any of this was, they were like, okay.

• 1:03:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 05

  Like, the guy's driven. Something's gonna happen.

• 1:03:36Doug DeMuro?

  Something that's like lighting us up.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, and, you know, they would occasionally come check it out and be like, what, what is this place? And why does this give you so much energy? Which is a difficult thing to explain to someone who's not a car person.

• 1:03:46Doug DeMuro?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 05

  Um, but it was so exciting. Um, and it went from dyno tuning to then service and installs to then building race cars. We're doing a lot of time attack racing.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  And what year was this? You said '04?

• 1:03:56Speaker 05

  '04 is when the business opened.

• 1:03:57Doug DeMuro?

  And this was like peak WRX, Bugeye had just come out, STI had just come out.

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  That's right. STI came out that year.

• 1:04:02Doug DeMuro?

  Were you doing Mitsubishi's or were you just Subaru?

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, we did EVOs as well. Um, one of my favorite cars that I've ever had was an Evo 8 that I went absolutely insane on. And then in the very first outing at Buttonwillow, which is a local track Johnny knows, uh, wadded it coming out of the S's.

• 1:04:17Doug DeMuro?

  No way, you crashed it?

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, on like the second warm-up lap. The, the, the humbling of all humbles.

• 1:04:23Doug DeMuro?

  You crashed on the warm-up lap.

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  That's legit.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's, it happens.

• 1:04:28Doug DeMuro?

  Thankfully, this all happened before we all had in-car cameras and.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  WRXs, STIs, EVOs, tuned a couple Supras.

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  Mark IVs?

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:35Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, legit.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  A PEXI FCs, the, the high end for those that know. Uh, we got into GTRs towards the, the later ends of it. But yeah, I did that from 2004 to 2009. Um, loved every minute of it. Learned how to run a business.

• 1:04:50Doug DeMuro?

  Was, was Hector planning on bringing his engines to race wars?

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  That was around that time, right?

• 1:04:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, it was before that, but.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  It was, it was a little bit before that.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  I mean, '04 would've been catching like the tail end.

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  When I explain this to anybody for 10, 15 years, people are like, oh, like Fast and Furious?

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  You have rivals?

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:05:09Doug DeMuro?

  Like also in Torrance? And you were like, don't go to.

• 1:05:11Speaker 05

  Not, not in Torrance. But Doug, are you, are you old enough to know about the forums?

• 1:05:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  What does one do on a forum?

• 1:05:17Doug DeMuro?

  N-A-S-I-O-C.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  Dasioc, yeah, let's go. There was IWSTI before that. Uh, I mean, especially in.

• 1:05:24Doug DeMuro?

  You would pop on the forums and badmouth your rivals, is what you're saying?

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  No, I wouldn't badmouth them at all. But the nature of particularly being in tuning, tuning is a, is a difficult place to be because, uh, it is very much the last stage of a build. And so if someone builds a car wrong and it breaks, it's the tuner's fault. If anything happens, it's the tuner's fault. And so there's tons of conversation on the forums. Uh, I will say, I think we did an excellent job tuning cars.

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, hell, yeah, you did.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:05:50Doug DeMuro?

  Dan's been doing operational excellence since the very beginning.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. Are we fist bumpers? There's a lot of fist bumping on there.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  There's a lot.

• 1:05:55Doug DeMuro?

  No, we have to.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  For those listening at home or at the gym, we're fist bumping on there. There we go.

• 1:06:01Doug DeMuro?

  Good job.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  Yes, I just hit the microphone.

• 1:06:03Doug DeMuro?

  Excellent work, son.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  If my arms are long enough, I grab your elbow and we just shake it out.

• 1:06:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  But yeah, you gotta get out there and, you know, people would come at you and be like, oh, that guy blows engines all the time. I'm not blowing anything, pal. All right, relax. Um, so a lot of, a lot of internet work on that. But, you know, I'd like to say, just as we are here, we are respectful of our competition. We appreciate what they do. We just try and do it better.

• 1:06:26Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, um, couple of questions. Why did it end?

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  Uh, I eventually thought that I was ready to do something else. Uh, this might sound familiar for one of our previously dear departed. And it is something I fundamentally understand. I wanted nothing in my life more than to work on cars, start a business. I did it. I did it for six years. It is the greatest experience I've ever had. But at some point, I was like, I'm ready to do something else. The only other job I'd ever had was, I worked at Best Buy in the summers when I was in high school. And then I built this business where, you know, I had to figure out how to do all the things. Um, it was crazy hard work. Uh, I never really got out of the weeds. And I was like, I just, I need a, I need a switch.

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:07:08Doug DeMuro?

  Um, the other question I have is, you're driving around LA. Dan lives in LA. You're driving around LA. You see an SN04 STI.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:07:18Doug DeMuro?

  Does it, does it give you some, does it bring you back?

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  It doesn't.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  Really? You're just beyond it.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  It really doesn't. I mean, I think, I think I've probably driven in thousands of WRXs and STIs and that, that fire has kind of gone out.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  You could tire of them after a while.

• 1:07:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:37Doug DeMuro?

  Do you ever sit behind one on a light, though, and you see the exhaust is emitting way more than the California Air Resources Board allows and you think to yourself, there was a time?

• 1:07:46Speaker 05

  I, I, I don't.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  He thinks, he thinks, oh, I bet it was that cut rate tuner over in Modesto or, or it's orange or something like that.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  You know, I, I used to talk just like that, too.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  They took out the NOx sensors and made it a Dino Queen.

• 1:08:00Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  Hey, not bad. Not bad, okay.

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  All, all the tuners that talk crap on each other say the same thing. It's either unsafe or the, the power's not usable. Those are the two complaints.

• 1:08:10Doug DeMuro?

  Totally, totally. Can't put it down. Um, do you, um, how'd you get past smog? Or do you not want to share?

• 1:08:18Speaker 05

  Uh, I just never held cars for very long.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, just don't register them. Easy problem solved.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, uh, we're gonna get back to more Dan things in a second. Uh, I want to talk Nick's Superleggera first, and then we're gonna talk about what car you should replace your car.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, you stole my thunder on that, by the way.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  Because I think that that's a legitimate possibility for you, and I want to start with,

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll flip it to you.

• 1:08:39Doug DeMuro?

  So Nick bought a Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera. It's registered way out of state, let's just say.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  It's working. We're working on it.

• 1:08:49Doug DeMuro?

  How, how's it going?

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  It's, uh, so I, the pod came out last week on a Friday. I got a text Friday morning saying the, the transporter broke down. We gotta find another one. They found another one and it still got delivered same day from Vegas to San Diego. Awesome. It shows up at 9:00 PM. The alternate shipper, as, as you might expect from the types of places that I hire, was, was perhaps best known for their thriftiness. Uh, didn't speak English, and it was a little hard to explain how e-gear works to someone when you can't speak the same language. So I had to go in and like push the R button for him and like help him out a little bit, but it shows up at 9:00 PM and while he was trying to figure out reverse, I learned that this car is straight piped. And like he told me it had an exhaust on it, but I didn't quite

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  comprehend. And he said, oh, the, the exhaust name is called the megaphone setup. Shout out Fluid Motor Union. And I understand now why they called it the megaphone. It is the loudest car I've ever seen.

• 1:09:47Doug DeMuro?

  It's loud.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  And he was also like, before shipping it, I cleaned off a lot of the soot from the rear diffuser, but like it's melted in a few places or like kind of yellowed. So like it shoots fireballs. Loud.

• 1:09:57Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna do about that?

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  Right now?

• 1:10:00Doug DeMuro?

  You can't leave that exhaust.

• 1:10:01Speaker 04

  I, I can't, but it's so intoxicated.

• 1:10:04Doug DeMuro?

  I know. It sounds good at high RPM.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  I loved how it sounded.

• 1:10:06Doug DeMuro?

  But it sounds, it's tough when you start it up. Like, it's tough.

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  It came with a stock exhaust and stock downpipe. So, short run, I might put that on, but there's a few systems that I think are somewhere between too quiet and the most obnoxious car you've ever experienced. So we'll figure that out. For a little bit, I'm gonna have some fun with it as is.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  Cause it, shooting fireballs is something I've never done. I'm sure you have and some Subarus.

• 1:10:28Speaker 05

  Quite, quite a few.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  I got, there's some good videos buried in YouTube if you want to see Subaru shoot some flames.

• 1:10:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, let's find those. Um, I'm gonna experience that, but I am so thrilled with the car. The other thing was, I bought it off market and to, you guys had that result, the market started to move.

• 1:10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up, pull it up.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  And so the, the way that I could buy it was to make an offer saying, as is where is, no PPI, no contingencies, like I bought it blind. I didn't fly in there, like I had to move.

• 1:10:55Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the Superleggera that we sold. Cause we sold a clean, clean, cleaning.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  You sold a really nice one.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  Did you do a six month lease back for a dollar?

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  Uh, we could work on something.

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  I, I need, I need more formal, I need a performance review, even though I don't work here.

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  And maybe a title. C-suite preferred?

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  I, I think, I think that violates contractor rules.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Well, yeah.

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  I don't even think we have a contractor.

• 1:11:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, you know.

• 1:11:19Speaker 04

  I just show up.

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  We, we can't tell you how to do the work. We can only describe the deliverables.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  Every, every once in a while, Sean will be like, you're not even on the schedule. What are you doing? And I'd be like, oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to check the Google Doc.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Sean has told me this thing runs like a top.

• 1:11:33Doug DeMuro?

  It runs like a top.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  On time, on budget, on topic.

• 1:11:37Doug DeMuro?

  Me and Sean have to make sure that whoever is in those seats is doing what they're told, and it has never one time happened organically. It has always required at least one push and reminder and request. Anyway, so you, you, this one happened while you were buying yours and then they debunked up the price on yours.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  Well, we, he, he, I think rightfully saw an opportunity and I, as we discussed the price, I was like, yeah, I, I would do the same thing if I were you. Like I hold this against you nothing. But also like, hey, I'm trying to buy it as is where is, and if you want to dump more money into this and put in all the effort that would require, it needs a new clutch. That was the biggie. And, and that would cost you.

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  But for you, that's not a problem at all, right? That, that fits the plans.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, cause I planned a manual swap it, but for him, that would, it would take another month or two to get to market and you gotta go through all that, that effort. And I wanted to buy it as is where is. So when it showed up Friday in pitch black at 9:00 PM, waking up the entire neighborhood, was my first ability to get eyes on it. All I knew though is the more I talked to this guy, the more, it was like Dan, it's like, okay, this guy's a real enthusiast. Like he does the work on it himself. Like the night before he goes, hey, I was gonna convert it back from rear wheel drive to all wheel drive. Do you want me to do that? And I was like, one, I didn't know it was rear wheel drive in the first place. Two, the fact that you're gonna do it yourself the night before the shipper comes is pretty wild. But I said, no, keep it rear wheel drive. Just throw the axles and everything in there. So the, the shipper unloads four boxes of spare parts and the car shows up way better condition than I expected.

• 1:13:05Doug DeMuro?

  Nice.

• 1:13:06Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  The car is shockingly nice. It doesn't look that different from this car.

• 1:13:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is not your car. This is the car we sold.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  It's not, but it, mine's the same color.

• 1:13:13Speaker 05

  This reset the market, Doug.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Doug DeMuro?

  It did.

• 1:13:14Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 1:13:15Doug DeMuro?

  Here.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  Let's go. Well, well played, well played.

• 1:13:17Speaker 04

  This one sold for $296,000 and like two years ago, totally different world, but they were trading for less than half of them.

• 1:13:25Doug DeMuro?

  This car sold on our site years ago for like $130.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  But I think everyone saw the 430 Scuderia market climb. They sell a lot of, and Superleggeras are a very rare car. What I also learned after buying it, do you know how much extra horsepower you get for the Superleggera?

• 1:13:38Doug DeMuro?

  10.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  11. Do you know how much weight you save for the Superleggera?

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  150.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  150, give or take. Like it is such a BS car from the start.

• 1:13:47Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, that was true of the Scud and the CS. The challenge of the Dolly is that way, too.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  You get a lot of special touches. Like there's a lot of things that make it cool, but from a purely performance standpoint, like it is negligible.

• 1:13:57Doug DeMuro?

  But it is a way to distinguish from a Gallardo. Like this is the special Gallardo. And those things hold up in the, in the, in the huge market.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  And really, you sit in it, you drive it, you, you can feel them.

• 1:14:09Doug DeMuro?

  Sometimes holds up. People will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars extra for a car that looks like a clown. They will do that.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I heard.

• 1:14:15Speaker 05

  They, they will. Some will. This, this car and the 430 Scud, I think both have the same party trick, which is the door panels are out.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  The door panels are nuts.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  Rages.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, instead of flexing.

• 1:14:25Speaker 05

  Whatever the premium is, the door panels alone, bring that across.

• 1:14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Nick brought this car to Cars and Coffee and instead of flexing his engine, he opened up his doors.

• 1:14:31Speaker 05

  You did the right thing, Nick.

• 1:14:32Doug DeMuro?

  So we could look at his panels.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  And the seats are really cool. There was a lot of special touches. So it arrived. I drove at the Cars and Coffee. I then realized I forgot to insure it and the insurance company wasn't open over the weekend. So I, I haven't been able to drive it since. It also poured a ring.

• 1:14:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you get like a grace period, I think, when you first.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Probably, but do you want to risk that on a car you just got?

• 1:14:53Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  I also had since texted the owner and was like, hey, when was the last oil change and all that? And like he got me the documentation. So again, I'm, it was a big gamble on my part sort of to take that leap of faith. I was lucky he was a true enthusiast.

• 1:15:05Doug DeMuro?

  You have had situations where you've taken this leap of faith and it has worked out very, very poorly.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  The Arnage.

• 1:15:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, more than just the Arnage. I would, I would argue also the Quattroporte was that. All of your Range Rovers. Um, but.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  But those cars sound like the type of cars where it doesn't matter who you're buying it from.

• 1:15:20Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna be terrible.

• 1:15:21Speaker 05

  Unless, unless you're buying my Range Rover, in which case you're getting.

• 1:15:24Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be great.

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  A gem.

• 1:15:26Doug DeMuro?

  Top dollar, people.

• 1:15:27Speaker 05

  Gem.

• 1:15:29Doug DeMuro?

  So with all of this in mind, Dan is trying to replace his 992.

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:15:35Doug DeMuro?

  Now, Nick is pretty smitten with his little V10 here.

• 1:15:38Speaker 05

  He is.

• 1:15:39Doug DeMuro?

  Would you consider something of the more exotic variety?

• 1:15:42Speaker 05

  I was very much actively looking for one of these. And as per usual, I'm six months behind in my head where the market is and where I think they are. And then every time I look, I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, not sure about that. But these are great and I do really like these quite a bit. And I think I would have stayed on this hunt, but now that you have one, it's in the family.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  Well, you.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  Family.

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  If you, my, my runner up was a 599. So you get one of those and I'll trade with you.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, 599, same exact thing where it's like in my head, a 599 is a $100,000 car.

• 1:16:11Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you something about that?

• 1:16:12Speaker 05

  And now they are 240.

• 1:16:13Doug DeMuro?

  Something that I've learned, cause I've, I've had exotic cars for a long time.

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  But honestly, something that I've learned about that, it's better to be six months behind than 12 months behind.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Well, that's accurate.

• 1:16:26Doug DeMuro?

  So like, I wish I had bought, if I bought a clown Ford GT, I wish I had bought it two years ago, but I'd rather have bought it when I did than today. Do you know what I mean? The market is always kind of moving on special cars, or at least it has been for the last 10 years. Yes, 599's values have reset, but I have a suspicion it's not like gonna drop. So like-

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  I would agree with that.

• 1:16:47Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you want a 599, go get yourself a-

• 1:16:49Speaker 05

  599s are cool. I'm also on the manual swap train.

• 1:16:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Think about all the great stuff you've done for Cars and Bids.

• 1:16:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:16:56Doug DeMuro?

  You deserve this.

• 1:16:57Speaker 05

  I do.

• 1:16:58Doug DeMuro?

  And you're getting rid of your ZR2 Bison. You're not even gonna have a Bison anymore.

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  I'm clearing house. And it's a fun place to be because I don't have a set direction on where I'm gonna go yet. And this moment of like, car enthusiasm is one of my favorite, where the world is your oyster.

• 1:17:13Doug DeMuro?

  The world is your oyster.

• 1:17:14Speaker 05

  Everything is a possibility and-

• 1:17:16Doug DeMuro?

  But we're thinking exotic.

• 1:17:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  The thing is, I felt that same way.

• 1:17:19Speaker 05

  You're thinking-

• 1:17:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, I'm asking you. Are you thinking, hearing him sitting here talk about this, are you thinking this sounds pretty appealing?

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  Oh, this sounds super appealing. But now, again, now that it's in the family,

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:17:30Speaker 05

  it's a little too close to home.

• 1:17:32Speaker 04

  I felt that way about the Ford GT. I couldn't follow in footsteps.

• 1:17:35Doug DeMuro?

  Can I suggest a Ford GT?

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  I mean, we do have an excellent one available right now. It's blue. It's gorgeous.

• 1:17:41Doug DeMuro?

  Dan, step up.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. Ford GT's not for me.

• 1:17:46Doug DeMuro?

  You're a Corvette guy. You're a high horsepower Corvette guy.

• 1:17:49Speaker 05

  You know, of course you know, because you have two.

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  How the purists liking your-

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  The guillotine door thing on the top?

• 1:17:56Doug DeMuro?

  Meaningless.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  Are you good with that?

• 1:17:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. You get used to it in a day, a week, and it's all good. I've never, I haven't hit myself since 2008.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  It's literally the only thing I have to say about the car that's not enormously positive. These things are so cool.

• 1:18:06Doug DeMuro?

  So let's step up. This is gonna sell for not much more than the current high bid. You can-

• 1:18:11Speaker 05

  Well, I think you're right on that.

• 1:18:13Doug DeMuro?

  You can step into this and have an icon. Don't you ever want, don't you ever sit there in your shop? And you think, I want an icon.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  C6, Z06 is an icon, Doug.

• 1:18:25Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with that.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  Sister Sang Song Rumbius?

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  You're racist.

• 1:18:32Speaker 05

  Don't, do not drag me and my squeaky clean reputation into whatever it is you two have going on.

• 1:18:38Speaker 04

  You were a WRX tuner, so we know, apparently, that car manufacturers translate to your feelings in different races.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  There will be no Sang Youngs.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  So many absurd-

• 1:18:48Speaker 05

  There will be no Sang Youngs.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Accusations to that.

• 1:18:50Doug DeMuro?

  I just think that you are specifically ignoring the Koreans, even though they made just as unusual of a car. That's my point.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Is now a good time to say my top choice is an Elantra N?

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Doug DeMuro?

  Is that true?

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  So you're gonna have to replace even your daily driver cars?

• 1:19:04Speaker 05

  Yes. Yeah, everything's going, we'll see what's up.

• 1:19:07Doug DeMuro?

  Are we thinking Land Rover still? May I make a suggestion? I have a buddy who replaced a Land Rover with a Kia Sorento.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  I will not be doing that. So in-

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  It's actually a big upgrade from a P38.

• 1:19:16Speaker 05

  So as we don't bounce too much, let's start with what's gonna change the 992 Carrera T that you can buy right now on Cars and Bids and that you can see in person at Willow Springs Reimagine.

• 1:19:27Doug DeMuro?

  The DME is clean.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  The DME is squeaky clean.

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  Do you think, what do you think's gonna be harder, me selling a fire damage SLR or your DME report? Like, what's a bigger value detractor?

• 1:19:35Speaker 05

  This car's gonna do just fine. I'd be a little bit more worried with the-

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  I'm gonna watch it.

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  Although that worked out pretty great. Alright, so for this, I'm thinking, like, I bounce around a lot. I had a 9972 GT3 before this.

• 1:19:47Doug DeMuro?

  That's cool.

• 1:19:48Speaker 05

  I do kind of miss that car.

• 1:19:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  Smaller, much more raw.

• 1:19:52Doug DeMuro?

  Before you go any further down this scary, scary road.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  Before people-

• 1:19:55Doug DeMuro?

  Get out of Porsche. Let's do something fun. Let's get out of Porsche.

• 1:19:59Speaker 05

  I'm gonna throw out a 996 GT car, something that I used to hate.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  A GT2 would be cool.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  Are now kind of pulling at me. GT2s look awesome. I actually prefer an NA car, but they're tiny, maybe.

• 1:20:12Doug DeMuro?

  Have you driven a 996 GT3?

• 1:20:13Speaker 05

  I have.

• 1:20:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's a toss up.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  I've also driven a 996 GT2.

• 1:20:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's, yeah.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  Heavy clutch.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  But it's fun. That car is fun. GT2, I think GT2 is maybe the ultimate Porsche experience from older Porsches. GT3 is a lot of fun too. 996 GT2 and GT3 are shockingly fun considering that they are on the, you know, the base car is sort of the malign 911. They're shockingly fun. But let's get out of Porsche.

• 1:20:34Speaker 05

  Okay, so we can get out of Porsche.

• 1:20:35Doug DeMuro?

  Come on.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  The Clio that's sitting yadaway is pretty interesting.

• 1:20:39Doug DeMuro?

  Please get that. If you got that, we would respect you.

• 1:20:44Doug DeMuro?

  We already respect you-

• 1:20:45Speaker 05

  You forgot a word. Yeah, more. More is the key. Yeah.

• 1:20:48Doug DeMuro?

  We already respect you greatly. Ryan Lopez, when he goes down and tries to break into houses in your neighborhood, he's gonna skip yours, because he respects you that much.

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  Because of the Clio?

• 1:20:58Doug DeMuro?

  But if you got a Clio, then he would really, we would all really be like, you know, Dan's got a Clio.

• 1:21:03Speaker 05

  The Clio's very cool. The side scoops on the door, very cool. The fact that it just, like, what is that thing? I know what that thing is. You know what that thing is. Are you familiar?

• 1:21:13Doug DeMuro?

  20 times cooler than driving around in that.

• 1:21:15Speaker 05

  This thing is not that cool. This was an experiment that I think was successful. I was like, I want something that is sporty. I can put my kids in. I can use to drive down to San Diego. I can use to drive up to Monterey.

• 1:21:24Doug DeMuro?

  Imagine driving this down to San Diego and up to Monterey.

• 1:21:27Speaker 05

  Driving this down to San Diego, I mean, for like, I would be so fried by the time I got down for this.

• 1:21:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it'd be so cool. If I had this, I would def take it down.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  And you would get that on that guy's Instagram page where he spots cars on the 405.

• 1:21:37Speaker 05

  That is the coolest Instagram page, by the way.

• 1:21:39Doug DeMuro?

  Stolen Valor Discounts. I actually meant to talk about that today. Stolen Valor Discounts on Instagram is the finest Instagram page in existence.

• 1:21:45Speaker 05

  I agree with that.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  Your Carrera T will not make it, this would.

• 1:21:48Doug DeMuro?

  If you're on Instagram and you don't already follow Stolen Valor Discounts, then why are you on Instagram? There it is. This is the, you don't follow him?

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  I definitely, it shows up in my feed all the time. Sorry to whoever this is.

• 1:22:01Speaker 05

  We live, Doug, Doug, we live in a post-follow world.

• 1:22:03Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. That's true. This is the greatest, this is the greatest Instagram in the history of Instagrams. Wrong wheels.

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  Has anyone figured out where this guy's parked out?

• 1:22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Me and Sean have been trying to figure out. We haven't devoted that much energy to it. I think you could figure it out. But I will tell you-

• 1:22:18Speaker 05

  There's a Renault 5 Turbo, like, two ago.

• 1:22:20Doug DeMuro?

  The coolest thing about this guy is that he doesn't just shoot supercars, although it's amazing how many supercars he finds. But he also shoots like, just crazy, random stuff. Here's a Phantom dropping on dishes, RS 4.0. Look at this! Crazy tires!

• 1:22:37Speaker 04

  And it's the contrast. It's seeing these amazing cars next to complete traffic that I think really like-

• 1:22:42Speaker 05

  Welcome, welcome to LA, baby.

• 1:22:44Doug DeMuro?

  The thing I like the best, look at it. The thing I like the best about this Instagram is that California gets a lot of hate in the car community for being strict about tunes and this and that, late or not.

• 1:22:56Doug DeMuro?

  Nice Mercy, ST. Look at this! This is a laser or an eclipse.

• 1:23:02Speaker 05

  No, that's an SVX.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  And this is like every week. Oh my gosh.

• 1:23:05Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that!

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  What have you done?

• 1:23:10Doug DeMuro?

  California gets a lot of hate in the car community for like, all the strictness on this and that and, you know, the mods. Wow, that's shocking.

• 1:23:16Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 1:23:17Doug DeMuro?

  But like, this Instagram of random traffic proves that like, car culture is still deeply alive in California.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  Very live.

• 1:23:25Doug DeMuro?

  And this jives with my experience. I used to drive the 405 constantly going up to LA to film, and I would see this kind of stuff. And it was like, yeah, you know, sometimes you were driving next to a YR and it was real. Look at this Countach picture.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  Beauty.

• 1:23:40Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this one. Next to a decommissioned Ryder truck. Look at that. I mean, here we are.

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  Low body too.

• 1:23:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I don't think so. I think that's 5000S. Mine. Anyway, the point is, you should follow that Instagram. And you would get on the Instagram if you had a Clio.

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm not, I'm not in it for the likes. I'm not in it for the clicks.

• 1:24:01Doug DeMuro?

  For you getting a Clio. Okay, so we solved the first one.

• 1:24:03Speaker 04

  May I give you, before we depart, some fatherly advice?

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  Please go, wait, wait, yes?

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're of the same vintage. I had intended, like you, to sell my cars, do a reset, you know, find myself and really explore all the options out there.

• 1:24:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  The wire hit for the SLR Friday morning, and I had initiated the wire Friday afternoon.

• 1:24:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but Nick, not everybody is as insane.

• 1:24:26Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, start-

• 1:24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Dan's more thoughtful. Remember, at the start of this, we learned Dan is a better version of you.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  He was removing the NOC sensors on WRXs in 04. We don't know.

• 1:24:34Speaker 05

  That's how you make the real power.

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  We don't know.

• 1:24:36Speaker 05

  No, no, no, what you're saying could absolutely happen.

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  Just start shopping now.

• 1:24:38Speaker 05

  The 992 is not sold yet. Okay? I'm already looking at a car that is literally for sale at the same event that I will be at, that I can see-

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  Right here. All of the bad habits, all of the poor choices, they're just bubbling under the surface of what is a very stoic, organized-

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  It's that Toledo mindset.

• 1:24:57Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, listen, we have to move on to the market report and questions. We can talk about one, what do you think about replacing your pickup truck with?

• 1:25:06Speaker 05

  That's a tricky one. I'm on the waitlist for a purple R2.

• 1:25:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  Because I could tow with that.

• 1:25:11Doug DeMuro?

  I guess.

• 1:25:12Speaker 05

  And it's purple.

• 1:25:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  I don't think I'm gonna pull the trigger on it.

• 1:25:15Doug DeMuro?

  100 miles towing with that though, probably.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  I only have to take the car one time a year to Buttonwillow for 15 minutes.

• 1:25:19Doug DeMuro?

  But that's probably pretty far.

• 1:25:20Speaker 05

  It's 130 miles?

• 1:25:22Doug DeMuro?

  You'd be charging.

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  Yeah? You think so?

• 1:25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 1:25:25Speaker 05

  Okay. Yeah. You know, the Ranger Raptor is interesting. I like that midsize. The Ranger Raptor, though, just on a looks basis, doesn't do it for me. Maybe I'll just keep that ZR2 Bison driving into the ground.

• 1:25:35Doug DeMuro?

  Ranger Raptor is an awesome car. I agree the looks are a little too mild. They didn't quite go far.

• 1:25:40Speaker 05

  And the little red stripes on the interior, that-

• 1:25:46Doug DeMuro?

  That's gonna turn you off?

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Ranger Raptors are great. That's a great one.

• 1:25:49Speaker 05

  I'm an interior man.

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  We also can't do Fords. We have a rule. What they did to us-

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:25:55Speaker 04

  You gotta get another bike.

• 1:25:56Doug DeMuro?

  You can only do a Ford if you snuck one in before Filippo's departure.

• 1:25:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:25:59Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you sneak one in?

• 1:26:02Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know!

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  What if you buy it on the site?

• 1:26:06Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. After Filippo got canceled, I want to get onto the market report and the questions, because there's a lot of Dan-related questions and we're getting up there in time.

• 1:26:13Speaker 05

  We sure are.

• 1:26:14Doug DeMuro?

  The first market report thing, we need to discuss the Zimmer Golden Spirit. I want to do a Zimmer Golden Spirit market report. Can you please pull up carsandbids.com?

• 1:26:22Speaker 04

  Zimmer.

• 1:26:23Doug DeMuro?

  Just type in Zimmer. There's not a lot of. Zimmer Golden Spirit. Yeah, folks, 9100 R and M. No, no reserve not met on a Zimmer Golden Spirit. So I just, just, I want it. It's a market report and I am providing you with the state of the Zimmer Golden Spirit market. I don't know if.

• 1:26:38Speaker 04

  It's not good.

• 1:26:40Doug DeMuro?

  Not good at all. I don't know if you guys were interested or curious, but now you know where the Zimmer Golden Spirit market is. 9100 bucks. Did you consider at any point?

• 1:26:51Speaker 05

  I'm personally not so into the Fox Body Mustang based retro classic throwbacks. So no, I did not.

• 1:27:00Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you're missing out. Anyway, I also wanted to talk legitimately about the Tesla Roadster. You see this?

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  You.

• 1:27:08Speaker 05

  Did we sell a Tesla?

• 1:27:08Doug DeMuro?

  We sold a Tesla.

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  We sold a bunch of these.

• 1:27:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 05

  In time.

• 1:27:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but this one was unusual. First off, it only sold for 34, which is nothing. And you're thinking, well, why is it nothing? Go down to the mileage. This car.

• 1:27:19Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Was driven 86,000 miles in an original Tesla Roadster. Now, remember, this was based on a Lotus Elise. That was a hard car to drive 86,000 miles. They're little, they're tight, they're crashy. Then you add an electric powertrain, which obviously has some limitations on like long distance driving.

• 1:27:35Speaker 05

  Especially early gen.

• 1:27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:37Doug DeMuro?

  86,000 miles. First off, great number for the mileage. I think $34,000. But pretty cool that someone like took one of these and drove it 86,000.

• 1:27:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:47Doug DeMuro?

  In that while.

• 1:27:48Speaker 05

  This is very cool. And I think the way they changed up the Lotus body.

• 1:27:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:52Speaker 05

  Works pretty well. This is, this is an interesting thing to drive, talk about, look at.

• 1:27:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's also interesting that you can get 86,000 miles out of one.

• 1:27:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, that is surprising.

• 1:28:00Doug DeMuro?

  Some knowledge of like, hey, you know, actually, if you live in the right place and have the right support, you could drive this all the time. I don't know that people would really want to all that much. Was this a one owner car, Nick? Go back to the top. To the top. You know, the top. California owned. I don't know if it was one owner, but pretty cool.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  If it was one order, it would say.

• 1:28:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, this reminds me, the, remember there was supposed to be the Tesla Roadster announcement two weeks ago.

• 1:28:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  And they pushed it back due to inclement weather, is what we were told, which would have put the new release date as the 15th, right before this pod goes live.

• 1:28:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:30Speaker 04

  You've got Porsche with their new hypercar and we might get another Roadster, or it might be cloudy.

• 1:28:35Doug DeMuro?

  It might be cloudy. Might not be able to do it.

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  The humidity in Dew Point might be unfavorable for a car release. We will see.

• 1:28:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to talk.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  Maybe that's why this guy sold. He's like, yeah, I want to clear some space.

• 1:28:48Doug DeMuro?

  You want to clear some space?

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  It's coming soon.

• 1:28:50Doug DeMuro?

  I want to clear some space and, and you know, hope for a nice sunny day on the launch.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:28:55Doug DeMuro?

  B5 RS4.

• 1:28:56Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  You're a B5 RS4 man?

• 1:28:58Speaker 05

  I'm an Audi man.

• 1:28:58Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  I was an Audi man before I was a Subaru man.

• 1:29:00Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  Subaru took it away from me.

• 1:29:01Doug DeMuro?

  What was your first car?

• 1:29:02Speaker 05

  My first car was, and this is crazy. I don't know if we could cut to it. Do we have cutting? That. I will explain what it is for people listening. That was my first car.

• 1:29:12Doug DeMuro?

  His first car is a Lincoln Mark VIII.

• 1:29:13Speaker 05

  A Lincoln Mark VIII. Now that's a .2 Lincoln Mark VIII, for those that know.

• 1:29:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:29:17Speaker 05

  Okay, okay. Yeah. I had a .1. I had a first year 93. It was a sparkle green.

• 1:29:23Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up, we've sold a few. Type in Mark VII.

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:29:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you're from Ohio. You knew that.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  Lincoln.

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Doug DeMuro?

  No, you don't have to type in Lincoln. You know what?

• 1:29:30Speaker 04

  It's fine. Let it go.

• 1:29:33Speaker 05

  There, there we go. That's it. That's a dot.

• 1:29:35Doug DeMuro?

  This is a .1. That's, that's the one you had.

• 1:29:38Doug DeMuro?

  There it is.

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  Ooh, just a big bucktooth grill.

• 1:29:40Doug DeMuro?

  What were you doing with this?

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  This was not a choice.

• 1:29:43Doug DeMuro?

  How did it end up with it?

• 1:29:44Speaker 05

  It was just a first car. We, we had one in the family. I turned 16.

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  It belonged to your grandfather.

• 1:29:49Speaker 05

  Would you like a car? And I was like, I would like a car.

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  Here is the car.

• 1:29:52Doug DeMuro?

  And it was a V8. They were all V8s.

• 1:29:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, it had the, it had the mod motor. This is where Ford came out with the mod motor.

• 1:29:57Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  It sounded cool. It was a four speed. It was a little slushy. The interior was.

• 1:30:02Doug DeMuro?

  Quick on the interior photo. Remember, Dan earlier said he's an, Dan earlier said he's an interior man.

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  So look, look.

• 1:30:07Doug DeMuro?

  He considers this to be a spaceship.

• 1:30:09Speaker 05

  The gentleman, the gentleman and ladies at Lincoln, when designing this car, said, you know what? We are designing this for driver experience.

• 1:30:15Doug DeMuro?

  Driver experience.

• 1:30:16Speaker 05

  So we're gonna, we're gonna tilt the center stack.

• 1:30:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:30:19Speaker 05

  Towards, that is so ahead of its time.

• 1:30:20Speaker 04

  It's like a long time.

• 1:30:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, BMW have been doing it since the E30 in 1985, but it's okay.

• 1:30:25Speaker 05

  We're not thinking about BMW right now.

• 1:30:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, no.

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Lumbar support button.

• 1:30:28Doug DeMuro?

  We're not thinking about BMW in this period.

• 1:30:30Speaker 05

  And, and seats that you would just drop into. This is a big body car.

• 1:30:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Speaker 05

  I am not a big body man.

• 1:30:34Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:30:34Speaker 05

  And particularly in like the 16, 17 year old version, uh, slighter yet still. So, you know, just kind of like.

• 1:30:41Doug DeMuro?

  So you drove this to like high school?

• 1:30:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Doug DeMuro?

  This was in Washington DC?

• 1:30:44Speaker 05

  This is in Washington DC.

• 1:30:45Doug DeMuro?

  You drive this thing around Washington DC?

• 1:30:46Speaker 05

  Drive this thing around Washington DC. Yeah, that's right.

• 1:30:48Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, celebrate and discover.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:50Doug DeMuro?

  So, so, so did you take this to college in California?

• 1:30:53Speaker 05

  Taxation without representation.

• 1:30:54Doug DeMuro?

  It was already taxation without representation at that point?

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  Was it already? I don't know, but that's what it is in my head. Well, you, you're the license plate man.

• 1:30:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:59Speaker 05

  But that is the best license plate.

• 1:31:01Doug DeMuro?

  You like the taxation without representation?

• 1:31:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:31:03Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't get the alternate Republican license plate?

• 1:31:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:31:06Doug DeMuro?

  We learned something about Dan today, people.

• 1:31:08Speaker 05

  No, I just like the original. That's a, that's, that's.

• 1:31:10Doug DeMuro?

  The Republican ones sell for crazy money on eBay.

• 1:31:12Speaker 04

  What makes a Republican one?

• 1:31:15Doug DeMuro?

  So DC's license plate, the regular license plate, if you get it, it says taxation without representation, which is a protest against the fact that DC doesn't have a congressperson.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  Only.

• 1:31:23Doug DeMuro?

  A voting congressperson. However, for Republicans who don't want that to be the slogan, you, you can ask for a no cost extra that just has the District of Columbia's website on the bottom. Now, you have to make a stink to get this plate because you can imagine everyone in DC, including at the DMV, does not want you to. So you have to go in and be like, no, I really want it. Oh, you're out of them? Why don't you check again? You know, like, but if you do that, they're, they sit there, they're available. And so anytime you see that plate in DC, you can tell the person's a Republican. And you can tell that if they sold it on eBay, they'd make tons of money because collectors, it's easy to find the regular plates, but the other ones are really hard to find.

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  Doug, have you ever considered the possibility that maybe they just prefer taxation without representation?

• 1:32:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, maybe they layer it into it. Well, I would argue that that, that is the Republican position about DC's representation status. They prefer.

• 1:32:14Doug DeMuro?

  So yes.

• 1:32:15Speaker 05

  I, I am, I am choosing this, choosing to make this just about whether or not you prefer to delegate.

• 1:32:19Doug DeMuro?

  Although maybe.

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  Taxation decisions.

• 1:32:21Doug DeMuro?

  Even those people should get the regular taxation plates because maybe they don't view it as a protest, but actually as a benefit.

• 1:32:26Speaker 04

  It's a protest.

• 1:32:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  It's a flex.

• 1:32:28Speaker 05

  One last thing I need to weigh in on.

• 1:32:31Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, that is your interesting DC license plate fact of the day.

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  We need a license plate fact per, per podcast, so good job.

• 1:32:38Doug DeMuro?

  You have, that is marginally interesting. Does any other state have a Republican license plate? Actually, yes, a lot of them.

• 1:32:42Speaker 05

  Okay, moving on. Uh, so this is car number one. And by the way, just shocked to see that that, why is that here?

• 1:32:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, because I'm reviewing it. Are you kidding? It's a manual swap.

• 1:32:51Speaker 05

  The dot.

• 1:32:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:32:54Speaker 05

  I saw it as a manual swap.

• 1:32:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nice manual, like, I've always wanted to review a Mark VIII. And it's not. Famous.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  And the bags haven't died in the back. It's not dropped on itself. Yeah.

• 1:33:02Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a, like, if I'm gonna do a Mark VIII, that's the one.

• 1:33:04Speaker 05

  So I sat in it when I got here. First time I've been in one since high school. Mine had the cream interior because it was classy old lady spec, but uh, yeah, that's very cool. So I went that, then I went B5 A4, which I modded the hell out of. Before I started the Subaru.

• 1:33:17Doug DeMuro?

  1.8T or 2.8?

• 1:33:18Speaker 05

  1.8T.

• 1:33:18Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, I have 2.8.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  Five valve.

• 1:33:20Doug DeMuro?

  That was my second car.

• 1:33:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. It's great. Great.

• 1:33:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, five valve. So it was a later one.

• 1:33:24Speaker 05

  It was a 98.

• 1:33:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:26Speaker 05

  Santorin, blue, gray interior, little, or I made the trim aluminum somehow. I like stripped it off. But I started a e-commerce site before USC at Embry.

• 1:33:37Doug DeMuro?

  Did you know this?

• 1:33:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Doug DeMuro?

  He's an Audi man who started an Audi e-commerce site.

• 1:33:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. At Embry, at Doug's alma mater. And then I was like, you know what? Atlanta's not for me. Audis aren't for me. I'm a WRX man and I'm going LA, baby. That kicked off a string of WRXs, EVOs. There was an S2000 in there. There was a Prius for a moment.

• 1:33:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, which gen?

• 1:33:58Speaker 05

  Let's see, second gen, dark gray, hubcaps off because it had the cool like 37 look of things. I was getting a lot of speeding tickets and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna not get the speeding tickets on my way to and from work.

• 1:34:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:10Speaker 05

  Because I'm gonna drive a Prius.

• 1:34:11Doug DeMuro?

  You drive a Prius.

• 1:34:11Speaker 05

  And I got pulled over in that thing and I never got a ticket once.

• 1:34:14Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:34:15Speaker 05

  So that was good.

• 1:34:15Doug DeMuro?

  Because you were driving a Prius.

• 1:34:16Speaker 04

  How was your DME report on that one?

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  Oh God, I mean, that thing was just bouncing off the.

• 1:34:22Doug DeMuro?

  The car's probably still on the road.

• 1:34:23Speaker 05

  Think?

• 1:34:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, all those second gen Priuses are on the road.

• 1:34:27Speaker 05

  I, that, that thing went New York taxi at some point and I'm sure has gone to the great.

• 1:34:30Doug DeMuro?

  The New York taxi ones are still on the road.

• 1:34:32Speaker 05

  That can't be true.

• 1:34:33Doug DeMuro?

  It, it is amazing the number of miles those second.

• 1:34:35Speaker 05

  They've all been replaced with Fisker.

• 1:34:37Doug DeMuro?

  No, those are not yellow caps though, but yes.

• 1:34:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Those are cool. Uh, you, you tell me how deep you want, you want me to go on this.

• 1:34:44Doug DeMuro?

  No, so let's talk about the B5 RS4 then. You're a B5 RS4 man.

• 1:34:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so B5 RS4.

• 1:34:48Doug DeMuro?

  Because you had a B5 A4. Everybody you had a B5 A4, myself included, dreams of.

• 1:34:51Speaker 05

  Dreams of, dreams of.

• 1:34:52Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever driven a B5 RS4?

• 1:34:54Speaker 05

  I have never driven a B5 RS4.

• 1:34:55Doug DeMuro?

  It is an amazing driving experience. If you liked your A4, tight steering, little car.

• 1:34:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:00Doug DeMuro?

  You would fall in love with the way this car drives.

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  My, my Subaru shop was next door to an Audi shop.

• 1:35:06Doug DeMuro?

  Of course.

• 1:35:06Speaker 05

  That constantly had tuned to hell S4 Avants. And so I've been in things that are like them.

• 1:35:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:13Speaker 05

  Uh, even with parts from RS4s on it. But we've sold more RS4s this year than we have in the previous existence of the company. They are getting expensive, but they're not crazy. And I just think from a presence and stance and design perspective, this is perfection.

• 1:35:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:35:28Speaker 05

  And I remember all the details, as, as you called out with the B5s. But like the Euro headlights that are all one piece without the, the turn signal aside, that grill, which I definitely had on my A4.

• 1:35:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Speaker 05

  Little shark fins in the front bumper.

• 1:35:40Doug DeMuro?

  Special too because it is.

• 1:35:41Speaker 04

  Really low miles.

• 1:35:42Doug DeMuro?

  You know, blue, we think of blue, but the color was really this gray. The, the color of all the ads and all the press stuff was this color. This is the right color. It's unmodified. It's low miles. Like this is the one. Are you gonna buy it?

• 1:35:56Speaker 05

  I, I could add this on the list.

• 1:35:58Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you step up and buy something cool? If you buy another modern, especially Porsche, but any Porsche or any modern car, I'm gonna be disappointed. I want to see one, a Clio or a B5, something interesting, something exciting. You run cars and bids for God's sake.

• 1:36:13Speaker 05

  I have exciting cars and I have some cars that are less exciting. I run the gamut.

• 1:36:17Doug DeMuro?

  I want this exciting.

• 1:36:18Speaker 05

  I represent the site. Not everything on the site is an RS4 or a Porsche GT car. We run broad. We do that on purpose. I live that life.

• 1:36:26Doug DeMuro?

  And I am ready for you for it to have at least one very, when I look at your car, your current lineup, I think, yeah, that's fine. You're missing a spark. Tell them.

• 1:36:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, this or a Sang Seon Rumbus.

• 1:36:39Speaker 05

  There will be.

• 1:36:39Speaker 04

  Are your two options for a daily.

• 1:36:40Speaker 05

  There will be no Sang Seons of any sort.

• 1:36:43Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:36:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Speaker 04

  I, I'm with you. I, I've driven a few as well. I, I was surprised at how usable it was. Like I expected it to be crappy and very compromised and like difficulties as a daily. And it was like pretty smooth and comfortable. I'm, I'm with Doug. I, I bid on one pretty aggressively on the site and tried to win it and did not.

• 1:37:00Doug DeMuro?

  So bad. I'm a little anxious about the powertrain.

• 1:37:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:37:04Speaker 04

  But he could tune it down the 405 and torrents, you know, on the fly.

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  This is the old Dan. That Dan, that Dan is gone.

• 1:37:12Speaker 04

  You still know how to modify some parameters.

• 1:37:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, now, now we use dynos.

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  You still got that two-way cable. You know what it's up.

• 1:37:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, totally.

• 1:37:19Speaker 04

  He's got a Lenovo ThinkPad still running Windows 95 to get into the mainframes.

• 1:37:25Speaker 05

  Have you been spying on me?

• 1:37:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, it's all true. That's what his standalone runs on. Okay. Uh, I gotta move on to the questions. The questions, questions. The questions are brought to you by Stolen Valor Discounts, the Instagram page. If you don't go on that page right now, don't watch next week.

• 1:37:41Speaker 05

  The questions are also brought to you by, someone's gotta do it. We launched some new social media pages. Do you know about this?

• 1:37:49Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:37:50Speaker 05

  So, there was a time Doug, not so long ago, where I knew every car that was on Cars and Bids.

• 1:37:55Doug DeMuro?

  You don't know every car is on the site?

• 1:37:57Speaker 05

  I don't. You pulled up the, uh...

• 1:37:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Tesla Roadster?

• 1:38:00Speaker 05

  No, the thing that you pulled up, the Market Report car.

• 1:38:02Doug DeMuro?

  The Zimmer Goldenspiel?

• 1:38:03Speaker 05

  The Zimmer. The Zimmer. I didn't know the Zimmer was up there. I didn't know the Tesla was up there.

• 1:38:06Doug DeMuro?

  What the hell?

• 1:38:06Speaker 05

  There was a time, but we've grown.

• 1:38:08Doug DeMuro?

  We've grown.

• 1:38:09Speaker 05

  We've scaled. We've gotten big. And you know what we thought? You were in the thinking of this too. You weren't participating, but you were there. You were in our mind.

• 1:38:16Doug DeMuro?

  People thought, what would Doug think? Let's talk for him.

• 1:38:18Speaker 05

  We thought, we need to get more of these cars out. And so we have a Cars and Bids page on Instagram and Facebook that's awesome. It's dominated by exactly what you see here, podcasts, videos, et cetera. We weren't getting enough auction cars up there. So now we built auction-specific social media.

• 1:38:32Doug DeMuro?

  So that's what you're promoting here?

• 1:38:33Speaker 05

  Carsandbids.auction. That's what Market Report's brought to you by.

• 1:38:35Doug DeMuro?

  Stolen Valor Discounts. Unfollow him.

• 1:38:37Speaker 05

  Follow it? Oh, yes.

• 1:38:40Doug DeMuro?

  Unfollow Stolen Valor Discounts. Follow the Cars and Bids Auctions cars. So that you can be promoted to all the time. Folks, it's important to me, do it as a favor to Ryan Lopez, or else he might break into your home. Ryan, come into the screen here and show the people what you're wearing. Show the people what you're wearing.

• 1:38:58Speaker 04

  I think it looks nice.

• 1:39:00Speaker 05

  He looks good.

• 1:39:01Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this cat burglar. God, there's a cat burglar. Oh my God, he's trying to steal things. He's all...

• 1:39:10Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, if you follow the Cars and Bids Auctions socials...

• 1:39:14Speaker 05

  Carsandbids.auction.

• 1:39:16Doug DeMuro?

  There's a dot.

• 1:39:17Speaker 05

  There's a dot.

• 1:39:17Doug DeMuro?

  If you follow them, Ryan Lopez will not break into your home. Can we confirm?

• 1:39:21Speaker 05

  Oh, we can guarantee that. Guaranteed.

• 1:39:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, I want to move on to the questions anyway, which actually are sponsored by Stolen Valor Discounts. Don't listen to anything he said. We don't need this Proto Filippo in here.

• 1:39:33Speaker 05

  Dot auctions.

• 1:39:34Doug DeMuro?

  First question. First question, um, from Chiara Di Grazia. And this person asked several questions. I'm only going to ask the first, which is to Dan. Dear Dan, why are you CEO? Goddamn right. What qualifications do you have?

• 1:39:50Speaker 04

  Didn't you hire him?

• 1:39:51Doug DeMuro?

  I did. And I've been trying to hire him for years.

• 1:39:54Speaker 05

  This is true. Why am I CEO? I mean Doug, why don't you answer that question?

• 1:39:58Doug DeMuro?

  Dan is CEO because he has got a proven track record of adding value to mid-size and small, uh, scaled organizations all throughout the United States.

• 1:40:13Speaker 05

  Large ones too.

• 1:40:14Doug DeMuro?

  Was that true?

• 1:40:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:15Doug DeMuro?

  And large one?

• 1:40:16Speaker 05

  Relatively large.

• 1:40:17Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, Dan is legit. What do you mean, why is he CEO? He's good. He's good.

• 1:40:22Speaker 05

  There was a question in there. It's like, why are you CEO?

• 1:40:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 05

  Where do you get off?

• 1:40:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 05

  And I read that. I'm like, where do I get off? And then I decided Santa Monica.

• 1:40:34Doug DeMuro?

  No, no. I want to answer the why are you CEO question. How do you get a job like this, I think is the implied question.

• 1:40:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, well, first off, you're lucky. You're the right place at the right time.

• 1:40:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:43Speaker 05

  Uh, but like from a background perspective, you know, absolute car guy, entrepreneur initially.

• 1:40:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which helped. When we were looking for CEOs, that was something that we were looking for, was car enthusiasm.

• 1:40:52Speaker 05

  If you don't live and breathe this stuff, you cannot contribute to a company like this in a way that advances them.

• 1:40:56Doug DeMuro?

  Not true for every role. We have people who work for us who aren't into cars, who do this or that. They don't need to be. But for your role, my role, Ryan Lopez's role, you had to be into cars.

• 1:41:06Speaker 05

  It's absolutely critical. Um, and then after I sold the shop, I went into tech. And so that is the other piece of our business. The two things I know best in the world are cars and marketplaces. We are a marketplace in cars.

• 1:41:17Doug DeMuro?

  And that's what we were looking for. And Dan stood out and it was very clear that he'd be the right person. And it has continued to become clear ever since.

• 1:41:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you, thank you.

• 1:41:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Speaker 04

  Weren't you a little concerned he didn't have a background in newspaper conglomerates? Like the other auction site?

• 1:41:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh God.

• 1:41:36Speaker 04

  I will say... He's never published an episode of Conde Nast or Cosmopolitan.

• 1:41:40Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the other...

• 1:41:41Speaker 05

  I have not.

• 1:41:41Doug DeMuro?

  The other part of this business is the content part, which you didn't have a background in. We did look for someone who had cars, marketplace, content. I mean, we interviewed everybody in the world. There wasn't anybody who really did it all.

• 1:41:53Speaker 04

  I object. I have experience in all three of those. I was not extended in interview. Even a courtesy recruiter screen, you know?

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 1:42:01Speaker 04

  Like if someone had just been like, are you available? Much like the good job. That's all I wanted.

• 1:42:05Doug DeMuro?

  I do want to mention one thing about Dan. So Dan is not, he's not the owner of the business. There is an owner of the business, which is a private equity firm. They own the majority. Then I own a portion of it. Dan actually does own a portion of it, as do all of our employees, more or less. And then, uh, there's this guy Blake, he's long gone. We should have him on the pod. With this guy Blake, who owns a small bit too, he actually helped. He started the company.

• 1:42:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. Doug, you might not know this, but all of our employees are equity holders in Cars and Bids.

• 1:42:34Doug DeMuro?

  That's very important.

• 1:42:35Speaker 05

  All of them. Not just employees.

• 1:42:38Doug DeMuro?

  Team members.

• 1:42:39Speaker 05

  Employee, team members.

• 1:42:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Speaker 05

  Team members?

• 1:42:41Speaker 04

  And you know what? As the contractor, I sometimes get Waba Grill. And if we're not out of Celsius's, I get one of those too.

• 1:42:46Doug DeMuro?

  So, anyway, so, so he's not, but he's not the owner. He's the CEO. I'm trying to explain this because there was an enormous amount of confusion.

• 1:42:56Speaker 05

  I don't...

• 1:42:57Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't work for the private equity firm. He didn't buy the company.

• 1:43:00Speaker 05

  I was hired to be the CEO.

• 1:43:02Doug DeMuro?

  And he doesn't work for the private equity firm. So there's, it's not like, oh, they installed one of their people. They just, we did a process.

• 1:43:09Speaker 05

  Yet you call me a suit anyway.

• 1:43:10Doug DeMuro?

  He's a suit. He won't let me, he won't let me do a baking soda volcano in the office.

• 1:43:15Speaker 05

  I won't.

• 1:43:16Doug DeMuro?

  He won't let me. I've tried for years.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  You've been here a while too, right?

• 1:43:20Speaker 05

  Uh, not two years. We're getting there. 18 months?

• 1:43:24Doug DeMuro?

  Something like that. You started in March, right?

• 1:43:26Speaker 05

  Uh, no, January of, uh, yeah, 25. Yeah. January 6th.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  That's a good run. I mean, that's, that's long enough.

• 1:43:33Speaker 05

  We're not going there.

• 1:43:34Doug DeMuro?

  He's now a proven commander. You don't want to go there with him.

• 1:43:35Speaker 05

  Ospicious state. Uh, continuing. Yeah. So why do I have this job? I mean, I think I'm qualified for it. Also, there is nothing on earth ever that I would rather do than specifically this. Um, and if I was not here being paid to do this, I would be doing this anyway.

• 1:43:51Doug DeMuro?

  We should not pay him.

• 1:43:52Speaker 05

  No, you know, you should definitely pay me.

• 1:43:53Speaker 04

  That's what I got out of it too.

• 1:43:54Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. So that's the answer.

• 1:43:56Speaker 05

  I can't buy your Ford GT if you're not paying me.

• 1:43:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's an answer and it's a good, it's a legitimately good answer and it's true. Dan is absolutely cut out for this job. There are, and also we, um, location was a component too. We wanted someone, ideally, we wanted someone in San Diego. That became clear that was not going to happen, but we wanted someone in Southern California.

• 1:44:12Speaker 05

  SoCal, yeah.

• 1:44:13Doug DeMuro?

  And so there was a lot of stuff that really had to work out. And Dan is like, if I were to create a mold for the job, it would be the exact size and shape of Dan, as it turns out.

• 1:44:20Speaker 05

  Very economically sized.

• 1:44:21Doug DeMuro?

  He's worked out. If Dan lever leaves this firm, so will I.

• 1:44:25Speaker 05

  We're a firm.

• 1:44:26Doug DeMuro?

  This concern...

• 1:44:30Doug DeMuro?

  If Tanner leaves this going concern, I'm out. And Johnny stays, I'll stay. But other than that...

• 1:44:37Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:44:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:44:38Speaker 05

  I can work with that.

• 1:44:39Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Porky Poll. Question to Dan, how many years do you give this podcast before it fizzles out realistically?

• 1:44:45Speaker 05

  Assuming I don't tank it personally, uh, this goes forever.

• 1:44:47Doug DeMuro?

  Goes forever.

• 1:44:48Speaker 05

  This goes forever.

• 1:44:49Doug DeMuro?

  You think so?

• 1:44:50Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 1:44:51Doug DeMuro?

  What about?

• 1:44:51Speaker 05

  This is a, this is a good podcast. I think what's worked so well here is, first off, you are very interesting and engaging and a little crazy. You got the full crazy going. Love you on this.

• 1:45:01Speaker 04

  The normal one.

• 1:45:02Speaker 05

  But, but...

• 1:45:03Doug DeMuro?

  He thinks he's the normal one. To this day, he thinks he's the normal one.

• 1:45:06Speaker 04

  The guy that knows all the taglines of license plates thinks I'm the crazy one.

• 1:45:10Speaker 05

  This is the number one automotive podcast by an enormous stretch. And it is because it is interesting. And also the format kills.

• 1:45:19Doug DeMuro?

  Do you ever listen to The Car Mom? Kelly and her sister Liz. Do you ever listen to them?

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  I do not.

• 1:45:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's, that, we might be number one by volume, but they are number one by quality.

• 1:45:29Speaker 05

  Number one by quality, okay.

• 1:45:31Doug DeMuro?

  Go listen to The Car Mom. Don't follow our new socials.

• 1:45:34Speaker 04

  Stolen Valor and Car Mom.

• 1:45:36Doug DeMuro?

  Stolen Valor Discounts and The Car Mom. All right?

• 1:45:38Speaker 05

  Sean, what episode number is this?

• 1:45:40Speaker 04

  131.

• 1:45:42Speaker 05

  133. Okay. Well, when we get to 250, we'll review and see if it's for everything.

• 1:45:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, that's fine. Also, another two years.

• 1:45:49Speaker 04

  Facebook Marketplace will be having a live auction at Chuck Walla Valley Raceway on October 16th.

• 1:45:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you know, that's close enough. We'll take that.

• 1:45:57Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, what?

• 1:45:58Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:45:59Speaker 05

  Who let this guy on the podcast?

• 1:46:00Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Batman's Tech. Dear Dan, although it says to the Cars and Bids CEO, it's Daniel to you.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  I can be addressed as that.

• 1:46:09Doug DeMuro?

  If Doug was the CEO for a day, what do you think would happen and what position, uh, would you be in? What do you think would happen if I became CEO for the day?

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  Oh...

• 1:46:17Doug DeMuro?

  I know exactly what would happen. Why don't you tell the audience?

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  I also know what would happen.

• 1:46:20Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what's that?

• 1:46:21Speaker 05

  Uh, I think that you would take some of the hard-earned growth that we've accomplished through this concern, buy a whole bunch of cars, put them in here, probably push me into the CFO spot.

• 1:46:33Doug DeMuro?

  How much cash we got? We got like cash for enough for cars?

• 1:46:35Speaker 05

  We're doing good.

• 1:46:36Doug DeMuro?

  We buy an F40?

• 1:46:36Speaker 05

  The business is doing well.

• 1:46:37Doug DeMuro?

  We buy an F40.

• 1:46:39Speaker 05

  Don't, no. I mean, we could, but no.

• 1:46:41Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know what the actual answer to this question is? For a day? Nothing. And I would spend the whole day hoping that Dan shows up for work the next morning.

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  I think you would place a massive Costco for business order.

• 1:46:52Doug DeMuro?

  Oh yeah, that's so true.

• 1:46:53Speaker 04

  And we would have the pantry of a seven-year-old child.

• 1:46:56Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true.

• 1:46:56Speaker 04

  It would be high corn, fructose corn syrup.

• 1:46:59Doug DeMuro?

  Johnny would do it.

• 1:46:59Speaker 05

  Has a pallet of Hershey Kisses arrived here?

• 1:47:02Doug DeMuro?

  We're off Hershey Kisses in the office. I'm off sugar. I'm completely off sugar.

• 1:47:06Speaker 05

  How's that possible?

• 1:47:06Doug DeMuro?

  I had to give it up.

• 1:47:07Speaker 05

  You were...

• 1:47:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm off sugar completely.

• 1:47:09Speaker 04

  Did you get the diabetes?

• 1:47:13Speaker 05

  You don't say the first part. That's not, just be us.

• 1:47:17Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's community. Uh, okay. So if I were CEO for the day, I don't think I would do anything. You would not be in any position at this company other than CEO. I can't imagine you doing anything else. You belong there. Have you ever considered leaving Cars and Bids to go and work as a mid-level manager for Ford?

• 1:47:35Speaker 05

  I have not had that consideration.

• 1:47:37Doug DeMuro?

  Well, some people do. Some people do. Uh, next question, next question. Oh, from Jackson Coles 2191. Dear Doug and Dan, uh, when Cars and Bids started, what did the executive lineup look like? How has it changed? How have the responsibilities of the CEO evolved as the business grew? When Cars and Bids started, it was three people, or four or five or something. There was no CEO. Okay. That didn't happen. Uh, now, we have CEO Dan.

• 1:48:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:07Doug DeMuro?

  What do you feel like your biggest responsibilities are at the company?

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  Oh, goodness gracious. Uh, you want a real answer?

• 1:48:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:14Speaker 05

  Make sure the vision's crystal clear. People know what it is. Give them space to operate.

• 1:48:18Doug DeMuro?

  Who's people? Other employees?

• 1:48:20Speaker 05

  People who work here.

• 1:48:21Doug DeMuro?

  Team members or the general public?

• 1:48:22Speaker 05

  My core job is make sure we have the best team in auctions, which we do.

• 1:48:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Hell yeah, we do.

• 1:48:26Speaker 05

  Hell yeah, we do. Hell yeah.

• 1:48:29Doug DeMuro?

  Brother.

• 1:48:29Speaker 05

  Adjacency.

• 1:48:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:31Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:48:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Let's go. Um, yeah, and make it, make it clear like why we're here, what we're trying to do. And then give the great people that we have the good fortune to work with, space to go make that happen.

• 1:48:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. That's great. That's...

• 1:48:44Speaker 05

  And then also, and then also be the adult.

• 1:48:46Doug DeMuro?

  He's got to be the adult.

• 1:48:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:48Doug DeMuro?

  This guy who was tuning Subarus in a warehouse in Torrance has to now be the adult.

• 1:48:52Speaker 05

  You picked well, what adult means here.

• 1:48:55Doug DeMuro?

  This was a good time to get Dan.

• 1:48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, that's fair. Uh, here's another question, a good one, from T. Billington. Dear Dan, who's the biggest liability, Doug or Nick?

• 1:49:07Speaker 04

  He looked at me a long time.

• 1:49:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I completely agree. It's Nick. Thankfully, you have a good team who edits him. Are you worried that someday something might slip through and then this pod has a problem? You know what I mean?

• 1:49:17Speaker 05

  No, we've got some real pros on the ones and twos over there. Right, John? Yeah, okay. Right, Nick? Yeah, no, we're good, we're good. Systems, systems, containment.

• 1:49:29Speaker 04

  Let me just say, I've seen Doug unfiltered before.

• 1:49:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Speaker 04

  Namely, when you walked around my neighborhood. And I think you're capable of some commentary that would not go over well with the general public.

• 1:49:38Doug DeMuro?

  What you're in your neighborhood, you mean the lovely area where you've chosen to raise your family? Oh, my gosh, I would never.

• 1:49:43Speaker 04

  Let's just say you're not welcomed at my community anymore.

• 1:49:48Speaker 04

  We didn't care for your critique of our floor plans.

• 1:49:51Doug DeMuro?

  There's a couple more good ones, actually. Next question from Yash Speck. Question for Dan. What has been your biggest challenge in running Cars and Bids?

• 1:50:02Speaker 05

  I don't have a good answer for that.

• 1:50:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but there's been some challenges.

• 1:50:05Speaker 05

  I mean, the interesting thing about the business is it was around for five years before I got here.

• 1:50:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:50:11Speaker 05

  And it was a good business when I got here.

• 1:50:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:50:12Speaker 05

  It is a really good business today.

• 1:50:14Doug DeMuro?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:50:15Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah, hell, yeah. Yeah, we did it, we did it.

• 1:50:18Speaker 05

  That's a tricky line to walk.

• 1:50:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:22Speaker 05

  Because ultimately, you've got to respect the work that's been done before.

• 1:50:24Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:50:24Speaker 05

  You also have to find the things that maybe aren't quite right, need adjustment. We made some big changes over the past two years. They've worked out quite well.

• 1:50:35Speaker 05

  I don't know that that's like, when you say biggest challenge, like where do you get stuck? Like, I run at this stuff and I really enjoy it.

• 1:50:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:40Speaker 05

  And the benefit of like, you know, taking something that already is pretty good and then just giving it the space to be what it is today is incredibly rewarding. It's not an easy job, but it's also pretty fun because at the end of the day, it's still just cars and content and putting something out there that people really enjoy engaging with. It is the opposite of, for example, many other things.

• 1:51:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, that's exactly right. I mean, we've all probably worked for companies where Nick currently does where the product is not particularly exciting and it's just sort of, you know, you do what you do. And it's cool to be able, we're giving people a product, a content that they want, whether it's the cars that they're buying or whatever, it's cool.

• 1:51:18Speaker 05

  What's benefited us is we've gotten, I think, a lot more convicted about where we stand and where we play. And this is very much a site, you have mentioned this on the podcast before, I agree with you completely. This is a site for enthusiasts where you are primarily buying from an enthusiast and the person selling is an enthusiast.

• 1:51:35Doug DeMuro?

  I think that-

• 1:51:35Speaker 05

  We have dealers on the site, we love the ones that are on the site, but it is a minority, a hyper minority.

• 1:51:41Doug DeMuro?

  The dealers that we have are enthusiast dealers. We've met these people. They are, they are by and large like legit enthusiast people who are super into cars. And I think that another business might run down a trap of courting all dealers and it just sort of becomes a fanfare of dealers bidding on each other's stuff. Okay, next question. This is a really good question for Dan.

• 1:52:07Doug DeMuro?

  Dear Dan, can you talk about the rarest or most elusive California license plate variant you've never seen?

• 1:52:15Doug DeMuro?

  I want to take a minute. I have two more questions after this for Dan, but I want to take a minute to talk about the Bill of Rights license plate. Nick, can you pull up the Bill of Rights license plate, please?

• 1:52:24Doug DeMuro?

  In 1991, or maybe 1987, God knows, the Bill of Rights celebrated 200 years. And-

• 1:52:32Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:33Doug DeMuro?

  California, unbeknownst to everyone, issued for six months in 1991, this license plate. And they've only issued 1,000 of them. And they are still valid today if you got one issued to you back in 1991 during the six-month period. And this is sort of the holy grail for every California license plate enthusiast. Nick, I'm sure you understand. And this is the dream. I've seen two of them on the road. And I would give anything to have an active Bill of Rights license plate. Would I pay? Would I sell Nick? Yeah, I would sell Nick.

• 1:53:11Speaker 05

  Did you say active?

• 1:53:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, so if it's still active and valid, it's still, you can still have it on your car. If you've kept it active this whole time.

• 1:53:18Speaker 05

  Oh, so someone has a valid registration on it currently?

• 1:53:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. The California Bill of Rights License-

• 1:53:24Speaker 05

  You will buy that from them.

• 1:53:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I would, I would give anything. If anybody's out there watching with an active California Bill of Rights license plate, S E A N, Sean at carsandbids.com, and folks, name your price because I'm paying.

• 1:53:37Speaker 05

  Sean, how many emails are you getting a week?

• 1:53:41Doug DeMuro?

  Some days, we really hit his email address hard.

• 1:53:43Speaker 04

  So you sold Filippo for a clown car and you're selling me for just a license plate?

• 1:53:49Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, the Bill of Rights license plate.

• 1:53:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:53:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's the California Bill of, it's the holy grail.

• 1:53:54Speaker 05

  What do they make more of, clown GTs or Bill of Rights?

• 1:53:57Doug DeMuro?

  The Bill of Rights License.

• 1:53:58Speaker 05

  Okay, got it.

• 1:53:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there's a thousand of these.

• 1:54:00Speaker 05

  What are you, what are you going to put it on? Which car?

• 1:54:02Doug DeMuro?

  Whatever was, whatever I could run to the DMV fast enough. Okay, two more questions for Dan. Dear Dan, from Armando7076, what was the weirdest way Doug was doing things before you took over? What do you think were some of the weirdest things were going on in this company?

• 1:54:17Speaker 05

  I think, I think one of the very weird things was your abject ageism. We did not have pre-1981 cars on the site. And do you know why we have pre-1981 cars on the site, dear audience?

• 1:54:29Doug DeMuro?

  Because Dan owned a pre-1981 car and was upset that he couldn't sell it.

• 1:54:34Speaker 05

  That's, that's exactly right. An Alpha GTV, just like, Dear Sean, I restored that in my office slash shop, which we call a shophis. It's a Portmanteau. Two, two words put together.

• 1:54:47Doug DeMuro?

  Nicky Lube.

• 1:54:47Speaker 05

  To make a new word. Nick, that's good. I do like Nicky Lube. We need to talk about that, by the way. I got your prospectus.

• 1:54:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:52Speaker 05

  I like what I'm seeing.

• 1:54:54Speaker 05

  I like it a lot.

• 1:54:55Speaker 04

  Like, like Celine, I'm taking investors of any size or denomination and I'm promising you nothing in return. But if you want to invest and be part of an icon.

• 1:55:04Doug DeMuro?

  He'll give you a hat. And if you give him enough money, he'll do a Zoom call with you.

• 1:55:08Speaker 04

  I will invite you to dinner. Will I attend the dinner? No promises, but you will get an invitation.

• 1:55:14Doug DeMuro?

  An invitation.

• 1:55:14Speaker 05

  Wow, two dinner invites in one morning afternoon.

• 1:55:18Speaker 04

  I wouldn't count on Doug showing either, for the record.

• 1:55:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I wouldn't either.

• 1:55:21Doug DeMuro?

  So anyway, so you had an old car, you couldn't sell it with us, and then you said, why do we not do old cars? This was a big fight between us at the start.

• 1:55:28Speaker 05

  Yes, a fight?

• 1:55:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, well, a-

• 1:55:31Speaker 05

  A dialogue.

• 1:55:32Doug DeMuro?

  There was a dialogue.

• 1:55:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:55:33Doug DeMuro?

  And I was opposed to it. And Dan was supportive of it. And now we do it. We sell the old cars.

• 1:55:40Speaker 05

  We sell, we sell the old cars. Our customers are the people who own and buy the cars, not the cars themselves. So the age of the car is somewhat irrelevant, as long as they're an enthusiast.

• 1:55:50Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting. How about that? That's beautiful. Dan's been media trained.

• 1:55:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, our final question, our final question. Two more.

• 1:56:01Speaker 04

  I probably got to go.

• 1:56:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, final question. Final question, and this is a real one, from Ben Pittinger. Dear Dan, it's finally being asked, why did you fire Filippo?

• 1:56:14Speaker 05

  I did not fire Filippo.

• 1:56:15Doug DeMuro?

  Where, what, tell us, take us through your emotional reaction when Filippo told you. This all happened when I was driving across the country. I got a call from Filippo when I was in Albany. And he said, I'm leaving. And by Phoenix, or it was north of Phoenix, it was like Flagstaff, he had called and was like, Filippo's leaving. Oh, my God!

• 1:56:35Speaker 05

  That is, that is not the order of it.

• 1:56:37Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it?

• 1:56:37Speaker 05

  The order, the order of it, so one day Filippo's like, hey, do you have like 15 minutes this afternoon? And I'm like, is it urgent? He goes, no, no, no.

• 1:56:45Speaker 05

  It's fine, we can do it tomorrow. I'm like, great, tomorrow's better.

• 1:56:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God!

• 1:56:48Speaker 05

  So I am, my guard is down completely. Jump, jump on the old, you know, Zoom. I'm like, hey, Filippo, what's up? He's like, rolls out like a piece of paper. He's like, today I have an announcement, some news to make.

• 1:56:58Doug DeMuro?

  He wrote it?

• 1:56:59Speaker 05

  No, no, he didn't. Big fun.

• 1:57:01Speaker 04

  It was a one.

• 1:57:01Speaker 05

  But he tells me, and I'm like, wow, I was not prepared for this based on what we discussed yesterday. Like I mentioned earlier, I, I get it. I did the thing-

• 1:57:10Doug DeMuro?

  How was that not the order of it? I called me in Albany?

• 1:57:13Speaker 05

  I'll get to that in a minute. I'll get to that in a minute. So I understand where he's coming from. It's the same thing with, like, with my shop. Like, I love that and I put my heart and soul into it. At some point, you want to do something else. And he has the right to do that. He will be successful there. He's at an age right now, he should try some different things. He's a young man, so he'll do well. The, the part that I disagreed with your story is, so I got off the phone with Filippo. I'm like, man, that's heavy. I'm going to go for a walk, kind of collect my thoughts here, because I really do love the guy. And I get a text message from you and it's in all caps and you say, are you not going to call me? Because clearly he let you know that he told me, and I was like, Doug, give me like a minute to wrap my head around this thing.

• 1:57:51Doug DeMuro?

  I had known since Albany.

• 1:57:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:57:53Doug DeMuro?

  I wanted to talk to somebody about it.

• 1:57:54Speaker 04

  You were in Flagstaff by this point.

• 1:57:55Doug DeMuro?

  Actually, what happened was he called me in Albany and said, I'm thinking of leaving. And then by the time I was in Erie, he was like, I took the job.

• 1:58:03Speaker 05

  So you talked him into it?

• 1:58:06Doug DeMuro?

  No, I, I thought, I don't think he was actually soliciting advice. I think he was just saying, as a courtesy, being like, this is something that's happening. And he's like, when he called me at first, it wasn't final. And then when he called me in Erie, it was final. But, but he knew that it was going to be final that day. There was not a, oh, maybe I'm going to do this. Filippo and I, the reason he called me and not Dan, although Filippo and Dan developed some sort of connection that I don't want to try to get in the middle of because, whoo. Filippo was my friend first, okay?

• 1:58:34Speaker 05

  He was, yeah.

• 1:58:35Doug DeMuro?

  You give him back to me.

• 1:58:36Speaker 05

  You've known him longer. He's, you, no.

• 1:58:39Doug DeMuro?

  I've known him since his days at Penn, when he was getting that sociology degree.

• 1:58:45Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Filippo wasn't fired, he's gone, it's all over. Dan, we have Dan now, and that's who I complained to on Slack.

• 1:58:52Speaker 05

  Fully consolidated control.

• 1:58:53Doug DeMuro?

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:58:55Speaker 05

  And new format next week, folks. Tune in.

• 1:58:59Doug DeMuro?

  And that's that. That's our podcast. Is there anything else that anyone else would like to say?

• 1:59:04Speaker 04

  Stolen Ballard discounts on Instagram.

• 1:59:07Speaker 05

  Dot auctions. Carsandbids.

• 1:59:11Doug DeMuro?

  Carsandbids dot auctions, if you feel so inclined.

• 1:59:13Speaker 05

  And then Willow Springs Saturday, which will be the day after this podcast is live.

• 1:59:17Doug DeMuro?

  You can tell him what you thought of him in real time.

• 1:59:20Speaker 04

  Good luck selling that bad DME Porsche.

• 1:59:23Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone!

• 1:59:24Speaker 05

  Goodbye.