Boat Crew Show (+ Montana vs CA; Q&A)

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:40Matt Farah?

  and any other number of things. OfftheRecord.com/tst. Write it down, have it ready. Yeah. Heyo, bienvenidos, welcome aboard, as it were.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Ahoy, indeed.

• 0:54Matt Farah?

  Welcome aboard, ahoy. Pick your naval word. We're on a boat, bitches.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  The Floating Tire Podcast?

• 1:02Matt Farah?

  We've tried so many ways to like tweak it, just none of them, they all sound so stupid.

• 1:10Matt Farah?

  But this is the Smoke Tire Podcast, Break from Vacation Podcast. We are at Marina Quake right now in the British Virgin Islands and it doesn't look like it if you're watching us on video because I think that today has really, this whole week has really made me appreciate the aerodynamics of yachts. Not just for sailing and stuff like that, but like as it pertains to people's comfort, cooling them and whatever, using the wind. Because like if you go here, it's like 20 miles an hour wind. And actually, it's relatively rough out there for this area. But this shot doesn't really show it because right here where we're sitting, it's very nice.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but getting here was a pretty windy experience. It was kicked up to like 20 to 25.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Something like that.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  So, forget, forget today. You know, Zach and I went, we went, we went yachting in 2017. We went to Thailand. 2020, went to Tahiti. Uh, we didn't get to do it last year, but 2026, we're in the British Virgin Islands, which is where I went to camp. The whitest shit ever. Um, you could say I colonized, no. No, we went to camp, um, you know, sailing camp down here and you, and you lived and learned and sailed these 50 foot yachts that you rented. You didn't rent, the camp rented from a place called The Moorings. And it's on Tortola and it's where we now rent these sailboats from.

• 2:39Matt Farah?

  And I was like, what if, let's go back and see it, because there was a hurricane here, Irma.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  There's still evidence of it.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, just a couple of years ago. I mean, it caused huge flooding. Buildings got knocked down, of course. Boats, I mean, we, we yesterday, where we moored, there was a beach, like a desolate beach, and we walked, you know, 50 feet away into the mangroves and there was a boat. Just a boat that was a large sailboat beach that had been uh, harvested, engine gone, like all the useful stuff had been taken out of that boat and it was just the carcass.

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  And on the, on the beach was the mast.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  We saw the mast, I was like, I wonder what belongs to this, you know?

• 3:22Speaker 01

  We thought it washed up on shore, but the boat was there too.

• 3:24Matt Farah?

  And a lot of the old places that I went to as a youngster, uh, like the Bitter End Yacht Club and the Marina where this boat came from and um, this place, Marina Key and like a whole bunch of other places got, just got completely wiped out and were rebuilt uh, to varying degrees of sort of modernity, you know, and, and now it's, it's very pop, there's way more boats here than there ever were. It's very popular. There's a ton of mooring balls places rather than open anchoring like there used to be. Um, places like the Baths, which were pretty open 25 years ago are now very kind of amusement parky.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Well, there's a lot more cruise ships I was reading and that's contributing to some of, some of the coral death we've seen, um, unfortunately.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  And that's not to say it's not cool, like it's lovely here, um, and the wind has been very strong. So actually we've gotten some really nice sailing. And the boat, which was, this is called a Leopard 46, it's a, it's a big catamaran. They, I mean, as far as like quality of sailing, they sort of suck. I mean, it's effectively like driving two RVs side by side strapped together.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  It's like a cab over van, you know?

• 4:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Or yeah, two RVs, just it catches all the wind, not, the sails catch the wind, but also like this frontal area.

• 4:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  The coefficient of drag would be 100.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  It's like driving two buses at, at once, basically. But it is very nice to live on. And if you're watching the video, you know, you can see the background, you know, going back and forth. It's way better on this than it would be on a monohull boat, even though those boats would sail better.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Oh, in terms of the rocking?

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely.

• 5:14Matt Farah?

  Like, if you look, oh.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Well, those lean over, you know, when they, when they sail.

• 5:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  These do a little bit, but not that much.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't have to make sure that your dishes are all like locked up, you know, on this boat, most of the time, which is cool.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a, it's an amazing way to see any area like this.

• 5:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, it's a best way to see any, I mean, almost anywhere. Even countries that are like, not all that amazing, usually have pretty nice coastlines. You know, like you can see, like, the thing about boating is it makes a pretty small place feel pretty big. You know, like the, the sail we did, that was like three hours today, it was like 20 miles.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like not, it's not far.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  But you go past three islands, you know, each one of them feels like their own world. And we tuck into this place, we tried to go to another place, it was too busy, you get out of the wind. You know, we're kind of looking for parking spots, essentially.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  A perfect example of how, how not far you go when sailing boats like this is, we first, we left Tortola, we sailed to Norman Island overnight. And it was our first stop, and in the middle of the night, 2:00, 2:00 o'clock in the morning. Our generator dies. Uh, Zach and I and Tim wake up and we poke around the generator like very sleepy, you know? And uh, quickly discern that it's actually thrown its belt. Like there's a, there's a shroud over it, so you can't see it immediately. But if you peek around enough, you can see the belt is like shredded. So, alright, so no generate. And in the morning, I, I call like the Mooreings customer service and actually pretty good endorsement of them.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  And they're like, alright, well, where are you going to be for the next, you know, 12 hours? And I said, well, I'm gonna leave here and I'm gonna go here. Great, great, we'll meet you there. And the guy comes over, you know, uh, and, and looks at it, has a bunch of generator belts. So clearly this is a thing. Realizes he doesn't have the one we need. He goes, I gotta go back to base. I'll be back in 45 minutes. And I'm like, bullshit. And but like, no, he was. He had a really fast, fast boat.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Whoa and took off. It was pretty cool.

• 7:18Matt Farah?

  So he's, you know, he's, he, the, the distance that we're sailing in days, this guy's, you know, our entire week sailing distance is probably the service tech's day.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Their route, yeah.

• 7:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's probably their day.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Whereas, you know, if we did, we've done any of our uh, uh, road trip stuff or off-road trips, we often cover hundreds of miles, multiple states and stuff like that.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  We're hardly covering anywhere.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:40Matt Farah?

  We're basically doing a lap around Tortola.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  A home deep.

• 7:44Matt Farah?

  The islands, the islands around Tortola, which is a, is a, is a nice way to see the Caribbean.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Dude, it's gorgeous here. I've never been here before.

• 7:51Matt Farah?

  It's nice. It's great.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Stunning.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The islandscapes are really fun. Um, the, the sunsets are really amazing. Um, this boat is a nice place to live. But uh, but you know, when you get on a new boat that you haven't, you know, operated before, the first day, it's like getting a new car. Like, we get in new cars all the time. And if I'm in, if like, oh man, like normally you get in, if press cars dropped off, you like sit in it for 10 minutes and like you set up your phone, set your mirrors. You ever get in a, you ever have a car, press car delivered? And like you had to be somewhere? You just like had to get in it and go?

• 8:29Speaker 01

  You just jump in, start going, and then you don't know where the volume control is.

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's actually harder to do that. Like, I'm in a rush, press car's been delivered, I got somewhere to be. Got, get in it, put it in D, go. Like, and now I'm like, trying to like, navigate through traffic while setting up this other shit. You know what I mean? And while, and it's like, kind of like, panicky. But with sailing, you, you can't do that. Like, you can't figure out, how is the sail gonna go up until you put the sail up? You can't figure out how it's gonna do certain things, just like, on the dock.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, what is the rate, uh, that this will steer?

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  A car would steer, you know? And so, is the sail gonna go up smoothly and easily, or not? And is it, I don't know. There's so many systems here. And, the throttle, like, the throttle, you have two engines on this boat. And one of them, you said, responds very quickly to your, the stick. The other one doesn't.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  The, yeah, that's, so if you have a great boat, the two throttles will be exactly the same. If you have a rental boat, or an older boat, or a, you know, crappier boat, they may not be. Right? And it's, you could, anyone can adjust, like, I don't know, adjust. Like, my dad's whaler, there's, the, to, to, to have even acceleration with the two engines, the, the, the throttles have to be about an inch apart. Thumb, it's nice, cause your thumb, if you put, if you wrap your, your right two knuckles around the right one, operate the left one by pushing it with your thumb, it keeps it roughly in the right spread. It took me a while to learn that. To get my hands set up to, to, this one, it's fucking wonky.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  This makes me never wanna own one of the Zcar Minis. You know, they have those twin engines in the back. And that's great when it's perfectly tuned. But the day that it goes out a little bit, out of sync.

• 10:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  And you, you can't have two feet on the gas, or something, that would be problematic.

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  Well, and the reason it really comes into play in a catamaran is because when you're docking, when you're mooring, or anchoring, or whatever, you're not steering with the wheel at all. You're, the wheel is in fact locked. You're driving it like a, like a tank. And so, if the engines don't respond the same, it's gonna take you a minute to figure that out. And it ca, it came into play. Folks, taking a quick break because HelloFresh is in the house and I love HelloFresh. Actually, not because it's so healthy, although that's a, that's a good move, but because it allows me to do the thing I like doing, cooking, without doing the thing I don't like doing, thinking about what to cook, right?

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• 12:30Matt Farah?

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• 13:14Matt Farah?

  and we had to get a little reinforcements from our buddy Nat's captain.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 13:21Matt Farah?

  To help set up the mooring lines so we knew how to fucking do it right.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a trial by fire for sure.

• 13:27Matt Farah?

  They set up mooring lines on this boat differently than our last boat. Like we had, we had like one big cleat on the last boat that you just threw the thing on. And here you have to like make a bridle and like, we just hadn't prepared for that. So we were trying to like figure out how to make this bridle while I'm trying to like keep, it was just.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  In real time, essentially, yeah.

• 13:48Matt Farah?

  Fortunately, it's gone much better since then.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  As I said, we learned quickly because since then we've been perfect because we were so, we're so paranoid about being that bad again. And now we're perfect.

• 13:58Matt Farah?

  And now like today, coming over here, like we were coming, we were going for a different anchorage. And we dawdled a bit and, and the moorings that we wanted were gone. They're first come, first served and those were taken. So we couldn't get that. So this was a backup. And while that happened, the wind really, really, really kicked up and we were like, oh no, like we don't, we don't want to have, not have a good, safe spot when it's like really windy like this. And you know, um, I've never anchored this particular boat in 25 knot winds. It's probably fine, but do I want to risk that?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  It's unnerving.

• 14:39Matt Farah?

  Not really. So, uh, there's, there's a, uh, there's a company now, since the last time we've gone boating called Boaty Ball, which is a privately owned mooring company. And they drop moorings in public, uh, popular places. And, uh, you reserve them online. Um, I suppose like you would in Airbnb or something like that. I mean, it's a pretty easy, it's a pretty easy app. Other, it's not an app. It's a website that you do from your phone. And it's easy to book one. But but on the map that shows where the moorings are, it doesn't, I'm not on that map. There's no me overlay.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:21Matt Farah?

  So like as I approach the mooring field, it's like, okay, well, your moorings here. But I don't know where you where you are, you know, so that so you it you can get an idea. But like for us, we had we had to be like, look at all these and every other boat who's come in here has been like, is that number 19? I don't know.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  It's like if you use Google Maps to go to a restaurant, but it just told you the city block it's on. It didn't say in front of this door, this door, this door, just kind of general area.

• 15:49Matt Farah?

  It seems like for an app that's used exclusively for people on yachts, they should invest in a GPS overlay.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:57Matt Farah?

  It's actually pretty amazing how useful Google Earth has become for boating. Because you can see where the sandy spot is in the in the in the anchorage. You can actually see your location versus like coral and sometimes even better than like the boat GPS.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really detailed, the satellite imagery, as long as it's up to date enough that like there hasn't been a, you know, El Niño hurricane thing, like made a new beach or made a new sandbar or something like that.

• 16:27Matt Farah?

  Right, right, right. But man, this is this is the way to travel. And and when you're captaining the boat yourself and doing yourself, it keeps your brain just enough engaged, I think. Like it does require like thinking and problem solving and like real decision making. A lot.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  But most of it's done at a speed that's kind of relaxing.

• 16:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  And then there's always like a 10 minute pocket of decisions where it's like, you know, your processor speeds up a lot.

• 16:59Matt Farah?

  Right, it's like just enough something and just enough nothing.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yes, perfectly said.

• 17:05Matt Farah?

  This is interesting because like right now, the wind and the current are not at the same angle. And that's why the boat was sort of going side to side. I sort of wish the boat would stay a little more straight into the current.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  I think the wind is shifting right now.

• 17:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We're behind a coral reef, so it's breaking up the swells, but it's not stopping the wind. But we, uh oh. Screen went to sleep, but we elected to be on a mooring here where it's windy, rather than attempt an anchor in a strange place where it's a little less windy, but still really fucking windy. So, safety first, sometimes. You know why safety first? Cause our boat came off anchor in fucking Thailand. That's why safety first.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  It's really called safety deposit first. That's what we're doing. Safety deposit first.

• 17:57Matt Farah?

  No deposit, no problem, right? The deposit's on the TST AMEX, Zach.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  It still exists.

• 18:05Matt Farah?

  AMEX, did you see my, you've seen my mirror AMEX? I'm very happy.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to call them and ask for it, right?

• 18:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, look, is that that gold boat of bros we saw this morning? The black and gold? Yeah, yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  That was Tattoos and Tans, is what I'm calling that boat.

• 18:21Matt Farah?

  Dude, there's some really cool boats down here. I mean, there's, obviously 80% of the boats are just these big fat charter catamarans like ours, full of big fat Americans like me. In fact, in most cases, bigger and fatter.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 18:37Matt Farah?

  But some of the privately owned boats that are down here, I mean, if your boat is like, big enough for you to sail it down here for somewhere else, you know, if it's a big yacht, or a big catamaran, or something like that, it's, it's pretty sick. And you can tell when someone's like, been from far away.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Well, Hannah talked to those people that sailed the Atlantic in their cat, and their cat was only a little bigger than this one.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  Was that the one with the fabric?

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:58Matt Farah?

  They sailed across the Atlantic?

• 18:59Speaker 01

  They sailed from the Atlantic.

• 19:00Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:01Matt Farah?

  That's pretty boss.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  You probably gotta choose the right season.

• 19:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  You can't take this into big, you know, winter ocean.

• 19:08Matt Farah?

  Well, but there's, there are a lot of people that do that. Like, it's, it's, it's a very cool thing to do, but it's not that uncommon. And with prep, people can do it on a bolo. Like, remember was it? Wasn't it in Thailand where on the very last day we returned the boat? There was like a couple in their 60s on a boat like ours. It was a couple down the dock. And they had like a bunch of fuel drums here. And we were like, oh, what's up with that? And she was like, oh, we just shuttled this boat to Thailand from the British Virgin Islands. I was like, I'm sorry, what? She's like, yeah, we sailed it through the Panama Canal, across the Pacific Ocean to Thailand.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Just carry 600 gallons of fuel.

• 19:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I was like, and what did you, what? Like it was her and her husband. And they, she was like, we read all the books. And, and we, she said they motor sailed. She said they, they ran the engines at 2,000 RPM.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  For a month.

• 20:09Matt Farah?

  When there was, yeah, for a month. And they had like, I don't know, whatever it was, 800 gallons of fuel. And one of, you know, one of the staterooms was like totally full of canned goods and shit. And, you know, they, that was their job.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Oh, they're moving the boat for people.

• 20:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, for the moorings. For this company.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 20:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like, cause they're seasonal, like, you know, you rent a boat six months in advance. They go, oh, someone's gotta get one of these things over there.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Sure. I thought they would just put a bunch of these on like a larger container ship and just add it to the shipment. Wow.

• 20:43Matt Farah?

  I bet whenever they come from, cause these are built in South Africa, I bet they'd come to wherever, the Caribbean, 20, 30 at a time, probably, but like, you know.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Wow. That's a cool way to see things, you know? It's like people that buy expensive van life vans and when they're 60 and they just want to tour the national parks, do it with a boat. I get it.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  But yeah, I think they said it was a month.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  I would do that once, but I want to be on a bigger boat for sure.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  With someone who like really knows what they're doing and has done it 10 times.

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  That's what I would do.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But we saw, speaking of bigger boats, you know, we were at the Bitter End Yacht Club, which is a cool spot that's rebuilt after the, um, Hurricanes and they had these maxi class, you know, racing sailboats there and they're about to have like maxi race week or something with 12 of these things. I mean, imagine seeing 12 of these things racing like, you know, head to head across an ocean. Pretty, these boats, these boats are 75 to 100 feet long.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  All carbon fiber.

• 21:40Matt Farah?

  All carbon.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Everything carbon fiber.

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  Big open decks, crews of like, you know, 25 people and, and they can go 25, 30 knots. Huge boat going really fast.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Which, did we calculate it's like 50, 60 miles per hour? Just.

• 21:54Matt Farah?

  No, it's 1.2.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  I thought it was 1.85.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Knots to miles an hour?

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Oh, that was knots to kilometers.

• 22:00Matt Farah?

  Knots to kilometers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, knots to miles an hour is 1.2. So, um, it was amazing to see them up close and, uh, I guess the racing is probably going to be happening while this, it's like now, right? It's like this weekend?

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we left a couple of days ago, but it's like pretty much now. And, uh, really cool stuff, huge money.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  You can see it. You can, the amount of carbon fiber on that thing, the size of the boat itself, the mast, the, the, you know, two steering wheels.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  And they had the big toolboxes, like a race team.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Toolboxes are made of carbon fiber.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  Rolled out on the dock, like almost like a, you know, like an IMSA team or something has the toolboxes.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Like all the things they could need.

• 22:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like that.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  Fucking awesome. There's the wind again.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Your tax dollars at work.

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Sailboat racing in the BVI.

• 22:49Matt Farah?

  Right? Oh, man, nothing says I'm like, outside of like, what, I'm starting a space company or something like I'm, I'm racing huge yachts.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  But wait, didn't someone say that only one boat owner races their own yacht? The other ones just have, keep them like racehorses and they're like, yes, go.

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Win and then they get to hold the trophy.

• 23:08Matt Farah?

  And not only that, they come down on their own super yacht to go out and watch the race from their yacht while watching their other yacht. It's, yeah, you thought, I mean, dude, you, you think you live, you think you're rich.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, you're probably good, you're

• 23:30Matt Farah?

  even you are probably global 5% or something.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Oh, that's probably true.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  But, you know, when you see that point oh oh, you know, the point oh oh oh oh one, you're like, what the fuck?

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Weird. It's, I mean, I get, you know, you can own a race team and they just, and there's always like the team principal and they run the team and they're, they're on the boat effectively, you know, the car analogy.

• 23:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  But I don't know, it just seems like if you're so interested in the sport and you don't have to be in the car driving it, you could be on the boat.

• 23:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, there's so many jobs on the boat.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  So like, why not be there while it's happening and just let the minions do the stuff?

• 24:05Matt Farah?

  So like when I worked, when I worked at Foot Locker back in the day, I was a really good worker. I was. I was, I was great at sales, great with people. I, I put up numbers. I was like really good at selling fucking shoes. But it was always a little weird because I wasn't quite like the other people, right? Whatever, fine. So I've been trying to outwork that for a while. I can imagine what that's like, what that might be like if you're the team owner. But you're also like, I want to be there, but I'm not good enough to skipper this thing. So I'm going to hire someone else to run it. And I'm going to be like a grinder or whatever, but there's going to be like two people in charge over me, but I'm also writing their checks like.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  And you're not going to be as good at any of those like grinder, whatever it's called, deckhand thing because you don't do it that. You only do it for your races.

• 24:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  They probably doing it all the time.

• 24:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  So you're holding the team back while this 26 year old's like, no, good, good job, Mr. Stevens. Yeah, that, no, we, we loop it the other way. There you go. Yeah, no, it's good.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  They're back, they're back, you know, you're back in the nice, your yacht, because you're sleeping on your yacht.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:13Matt Farah?

  And then they're sleeping in the belly of the racing boat on like ugly bunks, you know, going, we could have fucking won that.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  If Mr., uh, if Count Vaughn, you know, Count Vaughn Coxman didn't need to fucking be a part of the team, we would have had, we would have had a shot.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a tough thing. It's like with car stuff, at a certain point, the owner goes, "I'm not going to race the car anymore. I'm not fast enough, but we could win this thing."

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah, yeah. At a certain point, you know, Rahal Letterman Racing hires other drivers. Guys, taking a quick break because support's coming in liquid from AG1 today. We have liquid support. You can take a break from your school or work routine, but stay consistent with your health like Zach and I are doing on a yacht right now. With the AG1, that's how we're getting those vitamins and minerals while we're out there, not getting scurvy on the boat. You feel me? They've got the AG1 Travel Packs to celebrate the adventure. That's what I'm talking about. You can come out of your winter slump and reset for the season ahead. Me, I'm just making sure I get all my vitamins and minerals and veggies every single day.

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• 28:01Matt Farah?

  But uh.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  I see both sides of it.

• 28:03Matt Farah?

  But like, no, if you're, if you're racing yachts and you're skippering the race yacht and it's your fucking boat, that's pretty boss. That is, like, I kind of, I kind of respect that.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 28:15Matt Farah?

  You know, I respect that more than owning a race yacht that you're not on.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Same as if you were chief engineer of a race team, whatever series, IMSA, it doesn't even matter if it's IMSA, you know, GTD, GT Pro, then like if you are the owner but also head engineer or team principal and like you have to orchestrate that entire team from beginning to end and the effort that goes into it to then win something is enormous.

• 28:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  So, pretty cool.

• 28:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, but I just, the visual of watching the, maybe, maybe they have a YouTube channel. It's like, uh, it's like, uh, North Sound Maxi Week or something like that. Virgin Gorda Maxi Week 2026. Wait a minute, dude, look. Is that, oh, I thought I saw like a dozen black sails, but it was just like a dark part of an island. See over there where that could be? It's the drugs. It's just the drugs. I'm just.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 29:06Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  It does look like that.

• 29:08Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 29:08Speaker 01

  It does look like a sail.

• 29:09Matt Farah?

  Doesn't that look like a whole bunch of tall, black sails?

• 29:12Speaker 01

  I see one of them. There's also a lot of rocks, but there is one tall, black sail over there.

• 29:16Matt Farah?

  They're, they're, the boats are all carbon and the, and these sails are Kevlar and they're normally, um, black or, you know, kind of gray. I'm not sure why they go.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  There is a film called North Sound Maxi Regatta 2025.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, fucking go check that out. I bet it's sick. That would be, what a gig that would be to film that.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Last year was the first race.

• 29:33Matt Farah?

  It used to be called, I mean, they've raced.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  It used to be the Kotex 24. And then they sold it.

• 29:40Matt Farah?

  Yes. And then it was the Tampax Nationals, right?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  That'd be so funny.

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Talk about a fucking, the dope, dopest class of boat with the, with the weirdest fem name. Yeah, Maxi sounds, it implies things that is not, not necessarily, they're big fucking boats though. They're sweet.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Huge.

• 30:03Matt Farah?

  But it's like a crew of. You've got, what if you've got a big, big, giant yacht, like, of course you have a crew of 25, because there's like, serving you food and all this stuff. You got one of these things, you got a crew of 25, they do nothing but sail. Like, they keep the boat clean and they sail it, but like, they're not serving you, you know what I mean? That's not like a luxury yacht crew, that's a racing crew. So the amount, you have to employ the same number of people, or more, and then you have to employ them, other people on your other, also like, that, dude, that's, now you've got, you've got like 80 people, just for, essentially for you to jack off.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, uh, you know, like a commercial jet, you know, let's A380. So you've got pilot, copilot, maybe one other person up there, and then they've got, I don't know, staff of 10, let's just say. But you could be flying, like, one of those Air Force radar planes. Something where basically the focus of the aircraft is so scientific, or so ballistic, that it requires lots of people just to fly the plane and operate the systems, versus serving 400 people food.

• 31:07Matt Farah?

  Sure. Fuck, it's just like, but like, just for yourself, not for like, government or science, like, just for you.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Your own private spaceship.

• 31:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, just for you to jack off to my racing yacht, you know, that's crazy. But you know what's even crazier than that shit, though? You really want to get down, is classic maxi yacht racing. Like, you know, like, oh yeah, you think it's expensive to race LeMans, like, try running a Porsche 917 for a season.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Right, irreplaceable vehicle, yeah.

• 31:37Matt Farah?

  So now you've got, you've got these like, what are called J-Class yachts, which if you've, um, which is like, old America's cup from like, 1910, where the boat is huge and it looks like a big, like, schooner, like a fucking, it's got like, you know, 19 sails on it.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  It's all made of wood.

• 31:54Matt Farah?

  Yes. And if you see one in a harbor, like, we saw them in Newport, there's a couple of them in Newport. They'll stop you in your tracks if you see one, because there are, nothing more beautiful has ever been built, to, for purposes of sailing, they're the prettiest things ever made, they probably cost...

• 32:11Matt Farah?

  You know, deep seven figures a year just to keep fucking floating.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Right, just to keep the varnish on the wood.

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, oh my god.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Polish and seal.

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  But it's like, at that point, you're talking about like maintaining what is effectively irreplaceable art.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, with the boat, we saw the crazy pirate schooner in the bay yesterday, two days ago, like, it's a six-year-old, right, no, fifteen-year-old replica of a pirate ship. It's a steel hull, but then it has all the supermasts, all the big sails. It's called a some.

• 32:42Matt Farah?

  Stod Amsterdam, yeah, and you could apparently charter it.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  You can like rent it and stuff.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  But it looks like a fucking black pearl. I mean, it's like, it is a big pirate ship.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  That's the Goodwood replica of the Ferrari 250 LM.

• 32:54Matt Farah?

  But they, you could go on their website, they had like adventures or something. They're sailing it across the ocean. Like you could sign up to do an Atlantic crossing on that. That would actually be kind of the shit.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I would, because then you get to watch these people sail a pirate ship across the Atlantic.

• 33:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  But it's more reliable.

• 33:14Matt Farah?

  Presumably safely.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point, because a lot of those boats did sink.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  It has an engine, it's got an motor.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  It'd have an engine, it's steel hull, not wood, so it's not going to break apart.

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, this, I totally understand, if cars become super sucky, I could get real heavy into boats. And it wouldn't be that hard.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Well, someone asked a question, not to jump ahead, but if we lived in a place like this, would we keep our car enthusiasm going by owning a car, or would you just kind of move on to a different hobby?

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  How absolute shit was the drive from the airport to the marina?

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would not, it was a twisty, very bumpy road with lots of houses. So it was everything we don't like about a driving road.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think if we lived in a place like this, and I mean the islands, literally the islands, we'd have to have like a couple dirt bikes and find a couple trails, maybe.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Do that and a sim racer, and that's, that'd be my motor vehicle.

• 34:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's nowhere to drive here. If I live, I was thinking like, if I had to move to Florida, like if Hannah got some amazing job in Miami. Or, you know, whatever, South Florida. We had to move to Florida. Obviously, it's very difficult to enjoy cars in Florida. But if you have even a half-dee- I could, if I could sell 80% of the cars and keep daily and like Countach and have a fucking sick boat and be on it every day.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:39Matt Farah?

  Boat life in South Florida is what's up.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you're in that club, whole different story. Same with this.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  You go sailboat though, not super powerboat, right?

• 34:47Matt Farah?

  Not in Miami.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:48Matt Farah?

  Miami, you don't want sailboat. But here, oh boy, that scared me.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  We're good.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, but, uh, but, uh, yeah, here, oh, sailboat. Absolutely sailboat. I don't know if I can own one of these catamarans, though. I think I'd have to have a monohull. They're just too, they're just much prettier.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  But if you want to host people, this is the way to do it.

• 35:08Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Um, but I think to sail, like, the monohull just slips through the water and this is kind of like, it's twisting and moving and doing a lot of this stuff.

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  There are, you know, in fairness, the only catamarans I've sailed have been these rental ones. I've never sailed like a great. There, there's a couple of these, like, Tim's obsessed with these performance catamarans. Uh, which I, to me, a performance catamaran is like the X5M, you know? It's like, why?

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fast for a catamaran.

• 35:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, accept your fucking fate, Habibi. It's, you know, but I'm, I'm told that they can be, they can be quite fast. I know, and I know, like, you know, there's some racing catamarans are insanely fast.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  But the market will always try to offer us everything. So you go, well, I like the monohull because it's quicker, but the cat has all the space. And someone goes, and they build the thing and they go, it's both!

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  And, you know, asterisk.

• 36:00Matt Farah?

  I just, I, the, the aesthetic of a monohull sailboat is just, it's just too pretty for me. I would have to have one that really had a well-thought-out spacious deck. Because what the cat has is the, the top, you know, top deck. You know, that, that kind of space, you don't really get on a lot of the monohulls because they're just, there's lines and then there's the pilot house or whatever. It's just like, not enough.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  You can't like, use it.

• 36:29Matt Farah?

  Right. So like, but a really well-designed one that has a big spacious deck is like, about that. Uh, should we talk about cars?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  Everybody wants us to, well, this is a big plane. We should hold for aircraft, aircraft. Everybody wants us to talk about the Montana thing, right?

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  That's a big, that's a heavy boy.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  That's a big prop plane.

• 36:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, heavy boy.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Most of our anchorages and are not within earshot of the airport, but

• 37:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  Today was a beggars can't be choosers day, which, I mean, look where we are, like, if we have to listen to a plane every 20 minutes until sunset, I can live with myself.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Last few days we felt so remote that when I heard a plane, I got confused.

• 37:14Matt Farah?

  Last night was dark. I was hoping tonight would be even darker, but

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Not with all the people.

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  Not here, no, not here.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  That was, it turns out that is going to be the darkest. And then tomorrow night, we're going to Jost von Dyke, which is not

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Not a DJ.

• 37:29Matt Farah?

  Not an EDM DJ, but an island that has a, a lot of beach bars and stuff. It's a party island, so. Anyway, cars, the Montana thing.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  The Montana thing, right.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  Right, everyone, like, like, so many people sent me this. Finally, finally, about, about once every, what, two, three years? Uh, some politician or criminal justice employee does a little something about this and, and it becomes news, right? In this case, it was some dealers that were registering, uh, cars in Montana for people that clearly did not live there.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Right, so I mean, the headline I wrote in track is that California Attorney General cracking down on Montana registered supercars. They indicted 14 on tax fraud charges. The cars in this example are a 1918 Spyder, a Ferrari F12 TDF, a McLaren Elva, among the vehicles that were, you know, illegally registered elsewhere, but only driven in California.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  And, and all cars that could be registered here.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  That's the big thing.

• 38:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Because we've had, we've had some people DM us and say like, well, it's probably because the cars can't be registered in Cali. You go, no, no, no, no, no, like, that, that's some of them. But I would bet the majority are people who are just skipping taxes.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  I saw the list of cars and I went, oh no, these are all limited production, but, but, but from big OEMs where the, the cars could be sold in California. Yes, absolutely. So. Yeah, I mean, so at the dealer level, and because I'm a car dealer, I know this. You're responsible for collecting that sales tax if you know that car is going to be sold in, in, you know, in California. This came into play for me with my JDM cars as well. Because my JDM cars couldn't be sold in California. So I had to ship them to South Carolina and to ship them back.

• 39:31Matt Farah?

  Because like, that's how you, because you can't register them in California. Like those back on the skyline, whatever. And that was the only way that the dealer would sell them to me. They would not sell them to me to stay in California because they couldn't because it's on the dealer. So if the, it's very difficult to prosecute a person for driving a Montana registered car. Why? Because the car's not registered to them. It's registered to some fucking LLC. And you pull someone over on a Montana tag and they go, well, they can go, well, it's not my car. And if they're smart, their name won't be on the insurance card. You know, it'll just be some business and not their fucking name.

• 40:12Matt Farah?

  But like, it's hard to get someone on that unless you repeatedly, the same cop repeatedly sees the same dude.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  It's very difficult to prosecute that. Whereas if there are dealers that have a habit or are known for

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  registering cars in Montana that they know aren't going there. Well, yeah, fucking start with them. That's a, that's a good place to start if you're going to do enforcement.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Sure, it's the bigger fish.

• 40:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  You know, California wants the money, like the tax revenue they would get from these cars.

• 40:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  And then it's, and I don't know, I get mad. For me, it's like a fairness thing. You see expensive cars, the person clearly has the money to buy the car, wants to live in California. Like, pay the cost to be the boss, you know? We see, and then we see like new Land Rovers in Malibu.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  They regularly complain about the shittiness of California.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  One of my, and like, look, I know that the amount of money that is probably being, you know, siphoned off or, you know, saved is not enough to fix all of California's problems. But if all you're doing is dodging taxes and then you complain about problems that could possibly be solved with money.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Then like, it just frustrates me, frustrates me to no end.

• 41:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So like it'll be interesting to see if that if this is a sustained

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  push or you get your headline, maybe they, you know, maybe they scare a few dealers in line that weren't, you know, operating above board and then we don't hear about it again for two years, which is what's happened, by the way, for the last 10, 15 years. Oh, they're gonna crack down and then they and then fucking nothing, nothing.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, you know, speed patrol by radar signs. So it works and it and it it works. It's the nudge. So it if you go after the dealers, individuals who are doing this might go, oh, I should probably switch mine to Cali. I'll pay the taxes.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Because I don't want to get in trouble and taken to court by the AG. So it works on the individual level through the knock on effect, but they don't have to get prosecuted to have that effect.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  Right. And look, if you've got an expensive car that can't cannot be registered in California, like I I understand your plight. I really do. And like, I'm not gonna individ, you know, everyone's everyone's on their own adventure in life.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? But like, I just, you know, so I I, okay, good. Yes, finally, someone's doing something. We'll see if it's sustained.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  I I wish California, California has to recognize its place in the car world. I mean, all these design studios are in SoCal, manufacturers, offices of all kinds, like the influence of California on car culture is huge, but I wish they had avenues so that people like who had JDM cars could register them. You know, if the new lenals law went forward, like things that would help people bring their cars to Cali. And then if you also have a new Ferrari that can absolutely be registered here, like then, you know, go after them too.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  So just keep like build the systems to help people bring the cars here and then enforce the systems that should be enforced.

• 43:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because you could, it's it's effectively the iTunes model, right? Like, oh, people are pirating music. We'll make it easy for them to buy it and they just will.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Right, right, right, right. If people are bringing GT Rs here anyway, help them do it, get some money for the state. There are only like, you know, 200 GT Rs in the state, like R34s and earlier. Yeah.

• 43:34Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, obviously, we support this, but we are taking a real wait and see. One story and one big bust is not not enough of a of a change, really.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Um, do you want to go to Patreon?

• 43:50Matt Farah?

  Is that it? That's all we could. Oh, and then, I mean, this is a new, a developing story, but I- Dude, we didn't talk about the fucking 911 yet. Oh, yeah, we should talk about it. We should move this to the front. We're so, yeah, we should. We'll move, I'll move it to the front. We'll take the third part last. Uh, we don't have to do that, that's okay. Um, yeah, dude, 911, we're giving away a 911 Turbo S. This is crazy. From a boat. From a boat, we're giving away- 2025 911 Turbo S. Opted to hell. Yeah. Opted to heaven, really. Yeah. Uh, very pretty car. Uh, and it is a, it is a charitable giveaway, charitable adjacent. And, uh, they've done a good thing. We're partnered with, uh, Dream Giveaways. They've been around for a long time. They've done a ton of giveaways.

• 44:32Matt Farah?

  They list like the, uh, the registration numbers and everything for the charities. So you know that they're like legit. Um, it's, it's not, it's a, it's, it's a good thing. So it's very simple. There's not, uh, a lot of merch you have to buy. It's a, it's a donation to the charity. Uh, and all the, uh, terms and conditions, the eligibility, all that stuff is on the website. But we basically took this car stock and we tweaked it a little bit. Uh, not in a bunch of warranty voiding ways, cause it's a $275,000 brand new car. But in ways that make it like a little more to our liking. Uh, set up for canyon driving, uh, for fast touring.

• 45:16Matt Farah?

  So, uh, over the next three months, you're gonna see, uh, a series of videos on the YouTube channel, uh, detailing, uh, what we've done with the car. And you can, you can take it home. Plus they're throwing in 75K for the taxes. Not the state sales taxes, the, uh, the income tax offset, like, right? So you can, uh, you know, if you, if you win, uh, the car, it counts as income. They give you money to pay the taxes against the, so you can keep the car if you want. You don't have to, you, you're not like, holy shit, I gotta sell the car to pay the taxes. Like, you could probably keep the car. If you figure this one out. Uh, but it's, uh, ridiculously fast. Oh my god. It's very pretty. Yeah.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's very comfortable, 18 ways, uh, all the Turbo S goodies, glass roof. Glass roof, uh, 18 ways- Rear wiper, right. Uh, love the rear wiper. Painted engine louvers. Very rare option. Subtle, but look really nice. Ice gray metallic, looks fabulous. Um, plus not to give it away, but- Some wheels, some suspension.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Right. We did some things.

• 46:19Matt Farah?

  We did a few things. Uh, so the link will be in, in the show. Um, you know, obviously we, we do earn some money from this. So you're helping to support us. Um, and, uh, and you could win, win a car. I mean, like an awesome car, like extremely sick car.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Like a car you could drive for the rest of your life.

• 46:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  And in four seasons, absolutely.

• 46:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Magnus was just on the show. He's got a 200,000 mile one of these.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. He bought it with 165.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  And now he's got over 200 on it.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  You could, you could win this car and you could daily drive it for 20 years. Like easily. People do that in 911 turbos, like pretty regularly, actually.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  I mean, Magnus is a great example. When I saw his car, when he bought it, I went, this is such a good idea. And then he's got 40,000 more miles on it. Like you, like I would truly love to just live with a Turbo S for a very, very long time.

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  I'm very impressed at how in Magnus' car, the leathers held up. See how much fucking metal that dude wears on him? He's got like studs.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  That's true. He's got like a skull belt buckle and all that stuff.

• 47:22Matt Farah?

  And all this, all this, all this stuff. His leather ain't tore up. That's crazy.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Well, when he first bought the car, the passenger seat was pristine because no one sat in it.

• 47:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The guy that owned it just like. What, did he commute back and forth to Vegas or something every week?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was like a sort of traveling long, you know, salesman who just drove long distance all the time. So his seat was like worn in, but not torn or anything. And the other seat looked brand new.

• 47:46Matt Farah?

  Fabulous.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, I love that life. I'm not sure. I mean, if anyone could do it, Porsche could do it. And I didn't sit in that seat, but like I, their, their seats tend, like the mod, like the 18 ways, like they tend to hold up pretty well over time. Uh, I, I think anyway, I mean, my Taycan seat like doesn't feel like worn in all weird. It was only 25,000 miles, but.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Can we, can we talk yet about what, where we took the car or should we save that? Like where we drove it?

• 48:18Matt Farah?

  Ah, we'll save that.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  Save that.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  Make 'em fucking wait, dude. You build the suspense.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Roll it out at the same... Roll it out along with the videos. There's gonna be four videos about the car.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  So, uh, watch for those. Shots of the car, what we did with it, where we took it, et cetera, et cetera. And, uh, there will be a link in the description of this show.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  To enter to win, some... And then also the about page from Dream Giveaway if you wanna see the charities they work with, and all the other stuff, uh, how it works, et cetera.

• 48:47Matt Farah?

  I am... I'm pretty stoked for this one. Someone's gonna win a fucking narshty car. And we've been... My... The only watch I brought on this trip is the, uh, Rosen Ferry, I think we might call it.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  That's pretty good. That's good.

• 49:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, Notice Canyon. I've gone in the ocean with it. Uh, saltwater every single day. It's great. The new clasp has not, uh, not come off, not come loose. Uh, it's very, very comfortable. And, uh, these are gonna be going on sale really soon, but it has passed, uh, it's passed the ocean-eering test.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  So far. So I'm very excited about that.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Your clasp outlasted my whoops clasp.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Zach lost his... Zach lost his whoop.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  They sell a, uh, like a diving version of that clasp, of that bracelet. Get it. Otherwise you'll lose your whoop.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a bummer. We're gonna have to get another one of those. Oh, is our... Is our neighbor coming in? Got another catamaran coming in pretty hot here.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  That person must be anchored, right?

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  That guy's anchored. Yeah. I... I'm not... I didn't... I mean, respect, but I'm not anchoring out there.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Just make your own parking spot sometime.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, that... You... You can. And... And someone out there who is a very experienced yachtsman's gonna be like, "You fucking pussy. You won't anchor in fu... You won't anchor in 25. Just do it 7 to 1, bro. You're fine with 7 to 1." But like, uh, it's a rented boat, man. Like, I don't know.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  It's all relative. Like, we've... Last time we did this was six years ago. Last time we did it before that was three years before that.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  So, if we took that person on racetrack and they'd never been on a racetrack, and we're just like, "Just break at the 2 board, dude. You can do it. Brake, trail, break off. Just make sure you roll on perfectly. Otherwise you hit the wall." They're gonna be like, "What? No, I'm breaking at the 5." So...

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  No, you're totally right. You're totally right. Although, I mean, we did... We did see some speed in this thing. On day 1... In like 20, 18 to 20 knots of wind on a broad reach, we saw 9.4 at one point. Um, and then today, a lot of wind. It was like 20 to 25 miles an hour. Flying dead downwind with just the jib, we were going 6 and 1/2 to 7, pretty steady, which is like pretty, for a fat 46 foot boat like this, this is good. Um, should we get to the questions?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 50:54Matt Farah?

  Before we get to the questions, should we judge our neighbors, uh, mooring?

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Parking jump?

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'm sure everybody was judging us.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  First of all, the pole's not extended yet.

• 51:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  So they're not really ready.

• 51:06Matt Farah?

  Mooring 29, oh, they're going further in. No, they're, no, they're probably going here. This dude's coming in hot, dude. This guy's so hot.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  It's gonna stretch down.

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  Wow, wow, wow. He's gonna overshoot this by so far. Oh my God, he's gonna...

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Oh, he just, he slams on the, on the brakes.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Alright, they, they got it.

• 51:25Matt Farah?

  Did he really?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:27Matt Farah?

  Wow, dude, hockey stopped that motherfucker.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  He did, he really did.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  They went from like 5 to 0 in like 50 feet.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  That is so aggressive.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 51:40Matt Farah?

  Maybe we have something to learn.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  I like our method.

• 51:44Matt Farah?

  I, I like to approach...

• 51:45Speaker 01

  I'd rather approach slowly.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  I like to approach dox.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Cause if they had overshot it, if that guy hadn't hooked it right then, then the, you know, the ball's in the middle.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  This guy is, he's, he's using, he's using a lot of throw. Is he on, by the way, or did he miss?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Uh, they're on, but only with one.

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, you know what? Fuck this, fuck this. We gave this guy a lot of credit for some move. And by the way, what has he done? He's cocked it right up, hasn't he?

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, for people listening, you're supposed to get two different ropes on the mooring ball and they've got one on, but now the ball is, uh, behind them.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Way off to the side and behind them, and now they're...

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Watch your fingers.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  This guy's...

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Watch your fingers.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  What, you're gonna let go, sir? Let go, sir?

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  Let go.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  I've learned that too. I'm like, I'm not strong enough to hold this giant boat.

• 52:30Matt Farah?

  And look, I only judge other people because I know for a fact that they're judging me because we had, our first night was in front of a corral and it wasn't great.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  I was gonna wipe your camera off a little bit, but I'm tethered. I think slightly, but only slightly.

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  Let's fix it.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Give it a little.

• 52:47Matt Farah?

  Give it a little what have you's? Is it humidity?

• 52:49Speaker 01

  A little bit of the old, "How's your father?"

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, has it gotten worse?

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Oh, it's okay. Oh, you know what? You have the Nat. What's it called? Oh, that is better.

• 52:58Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 53:00Matt Farah?

  Anyway, here we is. How's our, how's our neighbor doing?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  They're on.

• 53:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, they're on now? Okay, cool. All right. We were better.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Not our first day.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  Not our first day, but I didn't come in in five knots. The guy was humming, dude. You gotta approach that shit slow. It's a big boy.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Sneak up on it.

• 53:18Matt Farah?

  That's a 54, dude. He captained Ron that thing. Captain Ron's, by the way, his docking technique is very difficult, very ballsy, but was...

• 53:30Speaker 01

  I haven't seen that movie since it came out. I was a kid.

• 53:32Matt Farah?

  I watched it last week in preparation.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  You were training? Yeah.

• 53:36Matt Farah?

  Bill, get out of your way. Learn that driving the Saratoga.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  All right, let's go to our Patreon question.

• 53:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  If you want to ask questions on the podcast, get your question answered, get car advice, all those things, go to patreon.com.

• 53:50Matt Farah?

  Look at you.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  The Smoke and Tire Podcast.

• 53:51Matt Farah?

  Look at you.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Well, you have boat ADHD right now.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  I know. I do. That's a good point. I do have boat.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  It's good though. You're relaxed.

• 53:58Matt Farah?

  I just wanna, I just wanna judge others like I feel I've been judged. Is that too much to ask? Clap.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  I was nice, I was so happy that when the captain came to help us, he was just like, "Let me give you a hint." He wasn't like, "You fucking moron."

• 54:11Matt Farah?

  So, no, it was really funny because like we get down here and we're in the lobby waiting for our boat to be ready. And who walks in? My friend Nat Monday, who I've known for 20 years. He runs HK Motor Cars in Connecticut. They sell race cars and weird cars, glicken houses and SSCs and random cars you can't buy and, not random in a bad way, but like exotic cars you can't buy in regular dealerships.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  He sells the new stuff Nick Cage would buy in Gone in 60 Seconds, right?

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  The Chimeras, stuff like that. So he just walks in with his wife. They were getting on a boat same day. They got a captain. And so we don't have a captain. And so we end up doing our terrible fucking mooring job the first day, right in front of him and his captain. And they were like, "You need a little assist?" And I was like, "A little assist is okay." So they, he got us right, set us up with our, with a bridal technique that served us very well.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Yes, we've used his techniques since.

• 55:11Matt Farah?

  But like, these fucking Jimmy Buffett-ass motherfuckers next to us were cackling, dude. Straight cackling. And so now I, I don't feel bad about cackling myself. I just, it's like, I didn't, I wasn't that into hazing the next round of people in the fraternity. Some people, after having been hazed, were like-

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were really into it.

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  "Oh dude, nobody abuses like the abused. Nobody."

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Ugh, so dark and true. Jesus.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  And so, some people just couldn't win. I was like, "Oh, this is, this is a little sadistic."

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were like, really excited to have the power trip. And for a lot of them, they were like, "I'll never win a fistfight so I can tell these people what to do."

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  But when it comes to anchoring and mooring and things like that, I will judge.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  You know what? Interesting fraternity story. One guy was an ass to all the pledges, but the one he didn't give shit to was my friend, my dear friend Chris Bosworth, who was in the wedding party with you, because Chris knows jujitsu and knew it in 2001. And everybody knew that and they're like, "No, we're not gonna, not gonna make fun of him."

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that shows you how weak that particular fraternity guy was.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Alright, to the people. Enough about us, we're yachting.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Run GMC says, "Would you rather have an air conditioning system that keeps the car cool enough just below the level of uncomfortable? Or a gas gauge that never reads properly? And an uncalibrated odometer so you always run out of gas half a mile from a gas station?

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  I go AC."

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, AC. I can live, I've had cars with no AC. I'll live.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  I don't want to push a car a half mile every week.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  We had the, the, the, the Copper Cobra. The Copper Cobra had no odometer and no fuel gauge and a five gallon fuel tank.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  How was that? It's like a drag race car. It's not even a road race car.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  No, it was for One Lap of America.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Oh, so they make it, but, well, alright, so for the track time, you have the lightest tank.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  No, I think they swapped the tank after One Lap of America. It was, I think, for just like, a track days and autocross and shit.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Very brief track day.

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  In a Cobra, you're getting, what, five miles per gallon?

• 57:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Let's say seven, and be nice.

• 57:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, yeah, I couldn't tell you. I still couldn't tell you.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 57:27Matt Farah?

  It might have got 25 miles a gallon, I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I have no fucking idea.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  6-speed, weighs 100 pounds?

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, absolutely. 2200 pounds.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  I don't, I have no idea what the fuel economy was. I never ran out.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Um, alright, Jay Leno's clapped out Kia Monti is planning a road trip with his friends and wants to know what tips you have to create a multi-day enjoyable drive. He knows how to find roads, that's not the question, but what other elements do you look for when you're planning a route?

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, well, once you've found the roads, then it's about finding shit to do in the places that you stop. Which is usually Hannah's job, but, yeah, I mean, making sure that like, you're giving yourself time to like, find shit. Like, oh, there's, oh, I see a thing that looks interesting? Well, yes, I have time to stop and check that out. Oh, there's a, you know, uh, when you, you know, I've got to the hotel at 2 o'clock. What do I do with the rest of my day? You know, maybe it's a hike, maybe it's a whatever, like, like, if you're just in the car 12 hours a day, you're not gonna do anything else, but, we don't like to drive more than 200 miles a day anymore, because we like to have like, at least part of a day doing something.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  A walk, shopping, like, eat whatever the fuck, you know? So it's like, once you've found your roads, then it's about making sure that you have like, things to engage you once you're like, no longer in the car.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Right. Um, the swinging tire. If we had a second podcast that was around a specific theme,

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  Yachts. It would be about yachts.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Alright. Yeah, would it be yachts?

• 59:04Matt Farah?

  It would be such a great excuse to just go out on people's yachts. So, how did you afford your yacht? What is your next yacht?

• 59:13Speaker 01

  That's how you maximize vacation right off.

• 59:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, we could be such assholes.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I mean, politics is attractive, but so complicated and perilous. Like, you need to be really, like, you need a research team like John Oliver style, I think. Or it's so dangerous to get pulled into the different pools. So, that would be interesting, but, um, I don't know. I think I could do one on extreme sports stuff. That's like, that would interest me again. Uh, all right, Randy, you're out. At what point does a boat get too big for it to be reasonably fun to sail?

• 59:48Speaker 01

  And what's the largest boat you've sailed?

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Largest boat I've ever sailed was a mono-hull was a 54. I've never sailed anything bigger than that.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Length doesn't necessarily make a boat less fun to sail. Whiff can.

• 1:00:07Matt Farah?

  When a boat can point close to the wind, that's usually what makes it nice to sail. And if it like, if you can steer it without a bunch of like effort and like kickback, like it, like boats have steering feel like cars. And good steering, like I bet those racing boats have amazing steering feel.

• 1:00:26Matt Farah?

  This has absolute garbage. The steering feel in this is heinous.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  This is like Jeep Wrangler, just lots of, lots of turns, but not a lot of response.

• 1:00:35Matt Farah?

  I'd kill for a Wrangler steering, it's terrible.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  What was the question about fun boat? How big can it be before it stops being fun? I mean, anything over like 50, 55, it starts to become real tricky to take out by yourself.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  And I, I don't want a boat that's so big I can't take it out by myself.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  And that you can't relax for a bit while you're out by yourself.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  From Head Gaskets Unworthy.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  By the way, this is a, that's a real like, how, how big is, is your boat when it's too big? Like, that's a real pointy-toy question.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Do we think manual transmission consumer level cars will hold their value better than automatic counterparts? For example, this person drives a 2019 Crosstrek with a manual and loves it.

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that will, for sure.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  I think stuff that has some kind of enthusiasm behind it. Crosstrek does. It does. So when you have that and you add the manual, it's like the, what was it? The Honda Element, the manuals. You all would drive. Hard to find, good systems, capable of a lot of stuff. Those were popular. All right. This is a long one.

• 1:01:45Matt Farah?

  Remember the supercharged Element?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  They made that stock? I thought that was like something made for SEMA.

• 1:01:50Matt Farah?

  Wasn't that SC? Wasn't it supercharged SC? Or was that just a... Did I make up that that was a thing? I thought that was a thing. Pretty sure.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  That question's too long. Have we considered having James Pumphrey on? We've... I've DM'd him. I don't have a relationship with him, but...

• 1:02:06Matt Farah?

  I would ask him. I don't know him that...

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Tag him on his Instagram. Tell him to come on the show. Matt, what car would your cats drive based on their personalities from ZENS?

• 1:02:19Matt Farah?

  Well, that's interesting. Cricket would drive a garbage truck. Cricket is the most food motivated cat ever. She's a garbage dumpster. So she would drive a garbage truck. Nikki would be like a white... is a real white Jetta girl. Finn is like a Bronco... would be a Bronco. He's like a meathead. Monty would ride... would be hitchhiking in the back of a pickup truck.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Nice. Which he did.

• 1:02:53Matt Farah?

  Which he did.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  Pumpernickel Country Day School. That's great. Does the appeal of mid-engine dynamics carry through to lower-end offerings like the MR2, the 96, etc.?

• 1:03:05Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Now, is it better when compared to similar money in Corvette, Z's, stuff like that?

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Like you get more power from a front engine car, you know,

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  From, for the same money.

• 1:03:17Matt Farah?

  Right, but, well, they just, they're not, you know, you know this, they're not comparable.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I mean, the 96 is a much nicer thing to drive. The interior is nicer. It feels more solid in every way. Like, it's got better curb appeal, I think. The Corvette's just faster and louder.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  But the interior looks like it's made from like play school playsets.

• 1:03:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Now Corvette dynamics are good too, but they're like a specific kind. I do think mid-engine cars are worth the premium for their mid-engininess most of the time.

• 1:03:53Matt Farah?

  The higher performance the car, the more it's worth it.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I agree. If it's a real, like, the third gen MR2, if it's kind of slow, like, you can feel, you have to be more tuned in to the dynamic to really feel the benefits, I think, and to be excited by the car.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  How much is one of those now? I don't know what an MR2 costs, but it was like $15,000. It's like, it's not expensive, right?

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Probably less.

• 1:04:17Matt Farah?

  Probably less, right? That's like your cheapest mid-engine car. And they're still pretty good. Like, their baseline of, of like where, what is the jumping in point to this is like, pretty good.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  I think the, the lower cost mid-engine cars are going to be finesse machines, whereas like a $15,000 Corvette is a sledgehammer. It's got good dynamics too. Like, you can put good suspension on it, but the, the initial experience when it's stock is like loud, fast, and kind of brash.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  And that's what you get from Mustangs for the same price.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  My leaky valve gasket. I want to purchase a second car to take the tracks around the Chicagoland area. For around 45 grand, I can get a Mustang Mach 1 or a Boss 302 that has 10 grand in upgrades. Will the upgrades be that much more worth it over a better interior ride to and from the track in the Mach 1? All right, so modified Boss 302 versus stock Mustang Mach 1.

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  Hmm, the key word is Chicagoland. Shitty roads, man. I, if you live somewhere with smooth roads, the Boss 302 is really a gem. But it is the end of the solid axle cars and...

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  There's a lot you can do to make them really amazing. But you really can't make them like better on bad tarmac compared to an IRS. And the Mach 1 is like settled.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  It's a great car.

• 1:05:44Matt Farah?

  Like mag ride, settled, you know, like it's basically the Shelby without the engine. Um, and with the Tremec.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:54Matt Farah?

  I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a Boss 302. I think a Boss 302 got a, got the Getrag. I don't think it got a Tremec. I don't, I don't think any Mustang of that era outside of the GT 500 got a Tremec. Uh, right?

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  I'm looking.

• 1:06:12Matt Farah?

  We have very shit internet here. I mean, we, I can't believe we have internet at all, but we have, it's slow. Um, asking Zach to look things up for the show is a potentially.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  I mean, I think either way, this person needs to be very honest about how often you're tracking your car.

• 1:06:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  If it's primarily a track car, I'd probably go Boss 302. Because what I'm, what I want from the car starts when I get to the gate of the track.

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  And I deal with one of the, the roads on the way there. Seems like a GT3 RS owner. But if you're really, you know, if Patreon person, if Patreon's really just going to go to the track three times a year and spend the rest of the time in the back roads or driving around, you want, you're, you'd want the Mach 1.

• 1:06:50Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Um, the death of the American sedan, a hindrance to organized mob killings. It becomes much harder to hide a body in a trash bag in the back of an Outback or a similar crossover. Given the decline, what is the best reasonably priced car with a spacious trunk available?

• 1:07:07Matt Farah?

  But doesn't the, it's the Tono covers though, you know, you've, or the, what do you call it? The luggage covers, the things that, you know what I mean? They're attached to the hatch and they go up like, they're optional, but they're there. You could still hide a body in the back of a wagon or an SUV or a crossover. As long as it's got the luggage cover option.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  And as long as it's not smelling too much. If you get pulled over, Tono's not going to hide the smell.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  That's a good point. But if that shit is like smelling, you're going to have, you got, you got a couple of problems. So what is the biggest car, biggest trunk of a sedan on sale effectively? Is that the question?

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Probably an LS, right?

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Probably the Lexus ES maybe? That could, that's like a fucking, that's a car meant for Ubers, you know? An ES is where it's at. Uh.

• 1:07:59Matt Farah?

  How about? I mean, you could say a very base, like S-Class Mercedes, maybe? It doesn't have any of the fridges or that other stuff. Yeah, non-hide, yeah, right. Uh, I haven't measured the trunks of sedans, to be honest with you. That question to me can be answered as just like, what are the largest sedans on the market?

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Sure, but it's a fun way to ask.

• 1:08:23Matt Farah?

  But I don't, I, but I don't, uh, I mean, I, I agree, the mob is going to have some problems, uh, with that.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Hmm. Um, BMW blinker delete, I'm interested in a bronze diving watch. Other than the Tudor Black Bay, what other brands would you recommend?

• 1:08:40Matt Farah?

  Bronze is interesting, uh, Oris makes a bronze that's pretty cool. I think it's a black, uh, Oris Diver 65, I think in bronze. Uh, the Tudor is, is really kind of the best one unless you wanted to, unless you could find yourself a Panerai Bronzo. Um, if you wanted something cheaper than the Tudor, um, the aftermarket, uh, does have you sorted. Uh, there's, you can get a bronze, uh, case for a Seiko. You could do a Seiko Turtle or a Seiko, uh, dive watch in bronze. Um, custom, I mean aftermarket, but yeah, Carl had one like that, it was pretty cool. Um.

• 1:09:23Matt Farah?

  Who else does a good bronze that I know of? Hmm. Sure, somebody does. Bronze is really interesting, cause like it, it like tarnishes, like it turns colors and gets like crusty and, like, that's not for everybody, you know, like, and you kind of, I mean, you can sell it, but like, not a lot of people are like trying to get your, your, your tarnished bronze later. Um, I thought I liked bronze for a minute, but it's heavy shit and like. If you got a full bronze bracelet, it's really heavy. But if you don't get that, it becomes very top-heavy.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Oh, so it winds a lot.

• 1:10:02Matt Farah?

  I thought I wanted the Panerai bronze, which was Carl had that shit. And I put it on, it was like, like, all my wrists were just like, and just flopping down always. That was why I made a big deal with this watch, or having the weight be very even around the wrist. It's very important to like, not be like tweaking your wrist one way or the other. Um, but like, yeah. I, for me, if you're gonna go bronze, it's the Tudor, the Panerai. Um, but the Oris Diver 65 is pretty cool also, yeah. Oris makes a nice watch. That's, uh, uh, James May was wearing the Oris Pointer Date when he came to, to visit us. Lovely watch.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Uh, David Ruttick, um, we've seen the news that Honda is basically throwing in the towel on EVs, at least in the US. Do we think the Japanese OEMs are better off focusing on ICE and, uh, parallel hybrids right now? And waiting to see how the EV market shakes out? Or is this something where we look back as, uh, the end of the, sorry, that we look back on as the beginning of the end for Japanese OEMs?

• 1:11:05Matt Farah?

  Weren't all the Honda EVs on market, inaccurate EVs on the market, really other platforms, like GM's?

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Oh, um, that's true.

• 1:11:16Matt Farah?

  The Honda one and the ZDX are both the GM EV platform, right? Same as the Cadillac Lyric and the.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they leased GM's tech, right? The Ultium stuff?

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:11:30Matt Farah?

  So, no disrespect, huh?

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good point. No, no, that's a great point. So maybe they had to sunset their EV program.

• 1:11:37Matt Farah?

  I mean, like, y- yeah, or maybe like, I mean, they just, yeah, they, maybe they were trying to like, you know, maybe they pulled a very smart move. Not smart, but, but, but definitely like, a move that paid off where they leased this tech and did a wait and see before investing huge amounts of their own money to see which way the wind blows and the wind has blown the other way.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, our patron missed a, uh, an important detail, which is that yes, Kia Honda and Hyundai are canceling their. US EV models, but so is GM.

• 1:12:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  And so if you're getting your tech from GM and GM cancels it, you go, well, I guess I'm canceling my plan too.

• 1:12:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That, uh, that all lines up just like a 46 foot cat heading into Maury. Where's this dude going? Dude's cutting it tight on the reef, isn't he?

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Oh, very. Um, Ram Ceni says, I live in Montana and I blew a tire my way home from the ice race. I have a Volkswagen Alltrack I put on 19 inch wheels with tiny tires. My question is, do I keep the cool wheels and risk blowing another one? Or swap to a smaller rim, bigger tire combo? And the roads there were pretty smooth, like the tarmac in Montana is pretty good, but I always like more sidewall.

• 1:12:56Matt Farah?

  I mean, 19s on an Alltrack is a lot of rim, but wait, but did he, did he say that he blew the tire because of sidewall?

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  I think they, I think this person blew the wheel. They didn't say how it happened, but based on the context.

• 1:13:13Matt Farah?

  Bent the wheel or blew a tire?

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  Blew a tire.

• 1:13:15Matt Farah?

  Blew a tire.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Probably because the sidewall is too small and they did something.

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  Possible. Uh, I mean, yeah, look, I'm, I'm, I have a Taycan Cross Turismo and I went from 20s to 21s. So I am not going to throw stones in a glass house of putting bigger rims on a car that's meant for whatever gravel or something, you know, but, um.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Depends on your environment, you know?

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, given the fact that you're in Montana, I mean, maybe you do want to go back to the OE size, you know?

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Um, came in, oh yeah, came in my sock, uh, says, uh, pen question. What would you recommend for a left-handed person in need of a pen that doesn't cause annoying friction? You get from a ball point when the ball rolls into the edges of the pen point?

• 1:14:04Matt Farah?

  For some real enthusiast stuff. So, I don't like- There are left-handed pens? There are. I've never paid attention to them. Um, which, like, sometimes the clip or whatever is like a different, on a different way around. Um, I've never used a left-handed pen intentionally. I probably couldn't really tell you what it was about. But, okay, the, reduce the friction of the ball in the ballpoint. Is that what you're talking about? Mm-hmm. So like, you could start by maybe not using a ballpoint pen. Is that, I don't know if that's like a dick move, but to say something like that, but like a, like a gel pen,

• 1:14:47Matt Farah?

  or a different type of a, a, a cartridge-based fountain pen, which is what I like a lot. Uh, cartridge-based fountain pens have, like, no friction. They're so, they're so light. Um, and gel pens are lighter to me than ballpoint pens. Has that died? Yep. Oh no! Oh no! Using audio processing software. Oh no! Really?

• 1:15:14Matt Farah?

  These were full batteries, too. Brand-new, brand-new full batteries. Yeav. Oh, that's fucking terrible. I wonder if you use more batteries, it gets hot. Alright. It will. Well, this doesn't feel hot. Alright, well, we'll have to wind this one down. Okay. We'll just wind it down at the, uh, the very end of the program. Uh, thanks for listening for our, uh, our vacation show. The, uh, as you can see, the audio recorder is off. It died at some point, and we will have to see when that is, but you will know before we do. Um, we'll be back in the studio next week. Thanks for joining us from our, uh, floaty bodie here, and, uh, go enter to win this Porsche. Do that in the meantime. The link will be in the show notes, and, uh, we'll talk to you soon. Bye.