Ep. 731: Lost Lures and Pheasant Couches | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Mark Kenyon discuss Cal and Mark's recent trip to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in addition to some recent outdoor legislation, play a round of 1-Minute Fishing with Bradley Pooler (@FindAndFish), wish they could spin that giant wheel in a game of MeatEater Price Is Right, and find out what article of clothing Cal will share with the class in MeatEater Show-and-Tell. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:09Speaker 01

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• 0:32Speaker 02

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's noon o'clock for our friends in Grand Murray, Minnesota on Thursday, July 10th, and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Callan Mark. On today's show, Callan Mark will fill us in on the latest outdoor legislation. Then we'll be joined by Bradley Pooler for one-minute fishing in Tennessee. After that, we'll play The Price is Right, and finally, we'll end the episode with some show and tell. Callan Mark, back so fresh from a trip that I can still smell the Alaska on you. What were the two boys doing there?

• 1:07Speaker 03

  It's a good smell. Well, you're in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Okay. Tell me more.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Brooks Ranch. We kind of started on the waters that would be draining to the south of the Brooks Ranch. And this was super cool because it was like the start of the convergence of caribou, the Porky Pine Herd caribou. And then, this is a very spoiled kid trip. We got picked up and dropped off three different times.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  And when we got there, there was no deliverable. We just had to go experience it.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Okay. Yeah. But we got picked up and flew on the same route that these caribou were migrating on. And it was awesome because like in the first valley, the first creek that we camped on, these caribou would dump off the top of this super high ridge, skyline. So you'd be like, oh, there they are. And then, five minutes later, they'd be down the river valley. And then, they would... Turn north and they were just motoring like they weren't grazing along for the most part. They were just following these ancient caribou paths. And then we got picked up, followed those paths in the air through the Brooks Range and dropped off on the north-facing

• 2:26Speaker 01

  slopes. And you could tell it was north-facing because it was just the Arctic Ocean to the north of us. Yeah.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  And taking a step back, for folks that aren't familiar, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is a 19.6 million acre wildlife refuge. The largest wildlife refuge I believe we have. One of the very, I think the second largest piece of public land in our system and, and quite possibly the most intact ecosystem. Second to what? Second to the Western Arctic, also known as the National Petroleum Reserve, Alaska, which is just to the west of it. And that's 23 million acres, I think. But this is, I think arguably the most intact ecosystem we have left in the United States. It is.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Which makes it probably one of the most intact ecosystems left in the world.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  In the world. Stunning, diverse area, like as he mentioned, where we started out on the south slope of the Brooks Range, which is the northernmost, excuse me, northernmost extension of the Rocky Mountains. Southern side of that is where we were and the boreal forest kind of butts up into that. And then you go up into the Brooks Range, you go over to the other side and then it becomes this tundra ecosystem. And as Cal said, you enter this coastal plain which stretches to the Arctic Ocean. So we had epic mountain vistas and river bottoms. And then the second half of the trip, we had this immense grassland. Like the whole time we were there, especially that second half of the trip, when you look over this millions of acres, grassland that is undeveloped, untouched, all the way to

• 3:56Speaker 03

  the Arctic Ocean, knowing that in a few weeks, there would be maybe 200,000 caribou out there. It was a moment in which I thought to myself. This is a little bit like what Lewis and Clark experienced, you know, 200 years ago, or whatever it was. I've always wondered that when you go across the grasslands today in North Dakota or Eastern Montana, I always thought, what was this like? It would have been so amazing to see this vast undeveloped grassland and all these creatures. And we got to sit on a mountain and look over a grassland like that, a tundra ecosystem like that now, and see for, I mean, we thought we could probably see 60 to 100 miles in several directions with nothing.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Easy, yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  To add some perspective, 30,000 square miles, that's the size of South Carolina that you guys are talking about.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's way cooler because there's very few people.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  And there's a reason this is more relevant now than maybe in the past. What were you guys doing there?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Well, we were there to be able to experience it and be able to bring back what we saw and experience and share that with the world because this is a place that has been hotly debated for a long time. It was first created in 1960 as a 9 million acre refuge. In 1980, it was expanded to the current nearly 20 million acres. And at that time, because of all the political, you know, horse trading that goes on, there was a 1.5 million acre section of the reserve, the refuge, that was not protected as wilderness and instead designated for future study, to either be designated as wilderness or to be opened up to development. That 1.5 million acres is this coastal plain area that me and Caleb were just talking

• 5:35Speaker 03

  about. That is where these caribou go and calve. This is where migratory birds from all 50 states go. This is where the largest land-based polar bear denning sites, the most polar bear denning sites are, in Alaska, that's here as well. That's this place that ever since 1980 has been very hotly debated about opening up to oil and gas development.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  And a place any American could go hunt, fish, camp.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Caribou hunt, yeah, Whole 9 Yards, all that stuff.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, I mean, the reason that it's so pristine, right, is because it's remote. It's tough to get to, it's expensive to get to. So, but that's the only limitation that people would have is like, is just time and expense to get up there. So, we were, I left Missoula, Montana at like 7:30 at night, and I was...

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Standing on the ground in the refuge at our first camp at like 1:30 in the afternoon the following day. So it's not that hard to get to.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  It's not impossible to get to.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's, um,

• 6:43Speaker 01

  you know, it kind of gets referred to as like the Serengeti because it has this giant convergence of biomass. Um, 350 different species of migratory birds show up there, which makes it like this birding hotspot. And oddly enough, that's, that's a huge part of the, the ecotourism business up there is because if, if people want to check off certain species that they're, they're cataloging, uh, in their birding apps and whatnot, like they'd kind of have to go there at some point. Um, so that's a huge draw. But then that porcupine caribou heard their, uh, migration. If you take like the furthest extent, right? It, it's, what is

• 7:27Speaker 01

  it? 2,500 miles one way?

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. 20. Well, I think it's a total of 2,700 miles that they.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Throughout.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, between like 12 and, and 1500 miles one way. Um, and you know, we're talking like hundreds of thousands of animals, which is pretty wild. And so what we got to see was like this early convergence of like pairs, um, up to, I think the biggest group we saw was like 19 animals kind of converge in our little valley and, and head off north. And then when we were flying over the Arctic plane, what was really interesting is there were like solo animals or pairs just laying out there in the muskeg, um, you know, within pretty tight proximity to the ocean. Um, and.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Trying to imagine, and we just got a photo sent to us, but trying to imagine that place filling up, which is how they describe it. That's like happening right now. And our pilot with Coyote Air, he was talking about like flying over this thing and seeing thousands of caribou out in the Arctic Ocean that have actually like waded out just to get away from the bugs. Like cool down in the summer heat and let, let the Arctic breeze blow the black flies and the skeeters away, which would be pretty amazing.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  I mean, I think in short, it was the wildest, most spectacular place I've ever seen. I mean, me and Kale were talking about where there's, is there anywhere else we've seen that can really compare, compare to this as far as the scale and the remoteness and the wildness and the intact nature of it. And we've, we've been to some pretty cool places, but, but nothing that I've seen and experienced can, can touch this.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  And pretty much anybody that you talk to that has spent time in the Brooks Range, they're highly impacted by it. Like, I mean, it's just, it's, for me, it was like fairly emotional because it was just so, I've never been up there ever. And every turn of a valley just gets bigger and bigger, often ending in these permanent ice fields or glaciers. And it's pretty dang hiker friendly. Like there's fresh water everywhere, really good water. And I was just like, oh my God, I don't have enough time to check this place out. And every part of my brain is like, you gotta, you gotta spend time here and

• 9:59Speaker 01

  check it out. And it's just like almost pointless, right? Cause it's so, so big. But the reason for that, you know, folks want to be talking about this right now and, and talking about preserving it is because in the, the triple B, the big, big, beautiful bill, there's mandatory leases, lease sales that would occur in both the Western Arctic and that National Petroleum Reserve Alaska, NARA, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in this, this 1002 area. So.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, so to date, you know, it's been debated, never was opened up to drilling ever before. So for decades and decades and decades, it's been in the undeveloped state. It's a no. In 2017, a similar reconciliation bill passed in which they tacked on a mandatory opening of the, what's called the 1002. That happened in 2017 on the last kind of big debate like this. There were mandated lease sales that happened. Those got sold and then some got canceled during the Biden administration. So no developments happened yet. But now the, the new bill just passed, does force four lease sales of 400,000 acres each on the plane. And so, you know, Kel talked about getting emotional, kind of flying over and seeing this place and the scale.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  For me, the moment was when I first saw the coastal plane. I hiked up all by myself. It was a kind of a, we got to do whatever we wanted. So one day I took off solo, took off to this small hill that was on the edge of the plane. I walked up there myself and got to the peak and looked out over this grasslands we talked about. Could see all the way to the Arctic Ocean. And for the first time in my life, I looked over this incredible wild place that was as wild and remote and as untouched as anything I've ever seen. And then I had to look at it knowing that if my kids ever got back here, it's very likely that it would not be the same. You know, because in a matter of years, if, if all this goes through the way that the bill says it will, it could be dramatically different. And that's the first time I've ever been so starkly faced with

• 12:02Speaker 03

  a definitive change to a place like that, that, you know, like this could totally change the experience, the ecosystem, everything.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  That was startling to see.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  It's kind of a, a interesting thing, right? Cause these are just leases. It's not mandated development. The previous leases that were sold were actually eventually turned back in because those companies couldn't really figure out how to do anything out there economically. There's also through the exploration that's already been done, there.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  There's a huge disagreement on what's actually under the ground there. Like, how much uh, oil and gas up there that that would be beneficial, worthwhile to get, right? So it's a situation where um, the companies that that build the infrastructure, they're gonna make money hand over fist. But the benefit to our natural resources pool, the idea that like, your pump price is gonna go down dramatically is is like, is just not correct, right? Like, the reason that this stuff's been done in the past is because it was government subsidized.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Um, and without a big government subsidy to go up there and and get this done, um, it's likely not going to happen because it's so cost prohibitive to operate up there. Um, but there's all sorts of other conversations that are going on. And and it's like, could you incentivize other countries to go up there and develop this? By reducing their tariffs? Which is a conversation that we're hearing. And then the conversation comes back to like, okay, so is it worth it for the American people? To incentivize a foreign extractive industry on American soil in this extremely sensitive area? That's one of the last readouts, refuges for all these different species.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  For what? Like, like, what is the gain? Right? So there there could be like this short term uh, bump in gross domestic product because there there's a lot more dollars flying around in that area. But at the same time, a huge amount of those dollars are gonna be directly exported overseas and not stay in America.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  And how specific or vague is the language in the one big beautiful bill? That addresses um, leases on minerals in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?

• 14:38Speaker 03

  I mean, as I understand it, it, the specificity ends at, there's four mandatory lease sales within 10 years. They are 400,000 acres each. And, you know, as far as details, that's as far as I've seen spelled out, how exactly that happens. I, I know that there was some language early in the drafts that would either remove or expedite any kind of review or legislation review opportunities, and that had, that got pulled out, I think.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they cut the red tapes.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  They were going to cut that, now that's back in a little bit. Um, but are there any other details on that front? I'll, as you think, there's one other thing, on the Western Arctic side, it's five mandated lease sales within 10 years, and those are four million acres each.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  And, and those Western Arctic sales are a lot closer to existing infrastructure. So like the whole Prudhoe Bay, Dalton Highway.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  That is a much more logistically doable jumping off point for, for those leases. And then, of course, like our Western Arctic Caribou herd is basically in the dumps as far as overall population goes. I mean, it's been halved and halved again. Um, and then, you know, the, also is a huge waterfowl production area.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  The bill signed into law on the 4th of July. Uh, what else should be on outdoorsman's radar about the bill?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I mean, there's a lot of dumpster fires in there.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Okay, pick a few to tell us about.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Um, I think for, for our sporting community folks.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  What got pulled out?

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Ambler Road got pulled out. Bounder Waters got pulled out, but it's still worth talking about because it.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Public land sales got pulled out.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Pulled out, but Arctic Refuge main stayed in, Western Arctic stayed in.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Some of like the possible funding stuff with LWCF, I think is buried in there a little bit, but I don't know that as well as maybe you do.

• 16:54Speaker 03

  The two big ones I want to talk about are things that got pulled out, but are still.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Right, finding different avenue, right? So the through agency versus legislation, so.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  So I'll, I'll jump in on one of those things. So early on when we were, everybody was talking about what was in this bill and fighting the public land sales and all these different things, there was, there was the issue of the Boundary Waters being reopened to mining. It's been a decades long battle, more than 10 years now, in which there was a foreign owned mine that was proposed to be right in the edge of the Boundary Waters. Back and forth, the hunting and fishing and outdoor community has, has pushed back against it strongly over recent years and a couple of years ago, kind of won a battle on that front with a mineral withdrawal, a 20-year mineral withdrawal, which basically meant that you, you know, on the edges of the Boundary Waters wilderness canoe area, you could not have a mine like this that would be, you know, seriously threatening that water-based

• 17:50Speaker 03

  ecosystem with pollution, which was the big worry with these mines there on the edge. So there was a 20-year pause basically put in place. In one of the original drafts of the one big beautiful bill, it was going to remove that mineral withdrawal, which would allow the mines to move forward and mandate kind of fast-tracking of those permits and get that going again. It got pulled out of the bill, but then, so it got pulled out of the bill. I saw that news, a lot of people saw that news, everyone celebrated. The very next day, the Secretary of Agriculture mentioned on Twitter, X I guess these days, that they would be taking administrative action to roll back that mineral withdrawal themselves.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  So that is not, outside of that social media post about it, it hasn't come up yet in the actual public register, but it looks like that's going to happen. I think that's a pretty big deal for hunters and anglers. And the other thing.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  And it's not just the, the one Chilean mine that has the proposal for the open pit copper sulfide mine, which for you Montana kids or visitors to Montana, Butte America is a good example of that.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  There's a lot, there's, there's other active mine sites within the, the same area.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  But this Chilean one, you know, the company doesn't have a great track record of being environmentally friendly or good on doing their own cleanups. And that type of extraction is just known more for its mistakes than for going well.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Well, as I understand it, there's not been a single mine of this type that has been developed without significant pollution issues.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Which makes sense. Like you're, especially in this area, it's like highly porous. There's water everywhere. Um, you know, you basically like kick the ground and you can find water.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  So the idea of bringing up all this heavy metal and um, the other pollutants used to refine those heavy metals on site and get them out of there. Um, it's, it's way harder to stretch your brain to see how they could do it safely than the other way around.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I spent a little bit of time there a few weeks ago on my way to Isle Royale. That was my first time in the Boundary Waters, where that part of the country. And it was so cool and so special that I was, I was sad that it took me until I was 33 to go explore it. That's how cool the Boundary Waters are. So a place worth protecting.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. And it's the opposite of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge from an access perspective.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  It's the most accessible vast wilderness like that for many people. It's the most visited. The most visited wilderness area in the United States.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  And despite it being the most visited, you'll still have any experience you want, you'll feel like you're the only one there.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, it's remote, it's vast, it's gorgeous. I had an incredible canoe and deer hunt there a handful of years ago. I mean, it's loaded with grouse, tons of fishing opportunities. The deer hunting's tough, but you're not going to have a more scenic and enjoyable experience than that. So it's a sportsman's paradise.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  It'd be a shame to see that, you know, defouled in some way.

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• 24:38Speaker 03

  I think that's just something to get on people's radar. Speaking of kind of rule rollbacks. It was announced two weeks ago or something like that, that the Forest Service will be rolling back something called the roadless rule, which was something put in place like 24 years ago, I believe. 2001, I guess. So yeah, about 21 years ago or 24 years ago. The roadless rule protects 58.5 million acres of our national forest from future road building. So back in the late 90s, it became, we became aware that, oh my gosh, there's more roads in the National Forest Service than anywhere else. There's twice as many miles of roads

• 25:19Speaker 03

  in the US Forest Service lands than there are across the rest of the nation, is the number I read recently. Something like 400,000 miles or something like that. Lots of roads and they realized I read another quote was that we had cut the face off our national forest and had punched roads into every last nook and cranny except for these last kind of refuges and Elder Leopold and Bob Marshall and folks like this in the 30s and 40s even back then were saying hey we got to be careful we're not leaving many of these places left and so of course there was the wilderness designation that happened and that was amazing but then in the 90s we realized okay we've got a last few sections here that we could keep in a not quite wilderness state but at least not punched in with roads.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  We're going to protect those with this roadless rule. There's still some like fire management that happens in those places. There's still some development that can happen in these places but with this layer of roadless protection which now I think you know you know this better than me, Kell, living out here but I think most of the best elk cutting spots, mule deer hunting spots, places that you know people want to get away from people, hunters want to find a backcountry place, it's often these roadless area protected parts of of national forests that now if this moves forward would would be open a new road building and many other things.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  And and this one's kind of more so spoken in terms of timber harvest and and what like wildfire management is the is the stated need to roll back the the roadless rule which is really interesting because on its face if you rolled that back all these areas would default to their previous management plan and the vast majority of these roadless areas, their previous management plan didn't include timber harvest so there would have to be a new management plan brought up and if you're like really kicking ass you can probably do

• 27:16Speaker 01

  that let's say the fastest. I don't even believe 18 months but let's just say it that's a whole 18 months to two years of writing up that forestry management plan and then and then putting that into effect. The scariest part to me is

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Uh, this includes the mineral, right? So it's not just access to timber, which is what gets talked about all the time. But there it's access to um, those mineral deposits that exist in these areas too. Um, some of the, the things that we talk about uh, as restrictions to logging, right? Is, is when we started um, uh, the setback regulations, right? So you can't cut timber this close to a stream. It's gotta be setback X amount.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Um, you can't harvest your Christmas tree uh, within like, I don't know, what is it? 66 feet of a stream or something like that in Montana?

• 28:22Speaker 01

  So that's a setback.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Right there. Yeah, yeah, good regulation. So um, and then there's a lot of these areas that, that have um, some previous old roads and, and have already, already been harvested for timber as well. Um, I think there's some, some give and take with this one. But the reality is, is like, we have so few uh, of these areas left that don't have this previous development in them. Uh, it would be real, real sad to see them go that way.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's what a lot of this, this whole conversation comes down to is, is like, we absolutely need resources. We need to utilize natural resources. Our public lands are multiple use, public lands are tremendous places for that to happen when it's done carefully and appropriately. But at the same time, there are hundreds of millions of acres of our public land open to resource extraction and done so. The last handful of places that we have that aren't, the few places that are still either roadless or in a intact place are just as rare and precious of a resource as gold, oil, or any kind of resource out there. And I think that there's a whole lot of momentum across the entire world of civilization pushing us to develop, develop, develop, develop. That's gonna happen.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Uh, there's only a handful of communities of people who care about maybe preserving some of these last few spots. So those of us who do care about wildlife or wild places. It's kind of incumbent on us to try to tap the brakes on some of this stuff where we still have that chance because we're not ever going to get it back.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  And I mean, roads, just like a trail does, roads bring people. I mean, that's, you know, a lot of the timber harvest that was done in the seventies was heavily government subsidized, um, sixties and seventies because it was the government that was paying for the roads. And the, um, idea, right, was like, oh yeah, it's going to be a better recreation corridors for people to get into these areas, which, which is absolutely true, but that's what made that timber marketable at that time. So, um, I'm still real confused as to how some of these things are going to actually

• 30:40Speaker 01

  work with, um, you know, like Doge was all everybody could talk about only a few short weeks ago, right? And that's about like rolling back the amount of government expense. At the same time, a lot of these big projects only happened because the government was paying for them to happen, at least in some part or portion.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  You know, funny thing, speaking of that, all this talk about how we need to increase revenues from our public lands because of the budget issues and deficit issues and all that, while folks are making that claim to justify opening these places up to development. Also in that bill, uh, they have reduced the royalties on oil drilling, on extraction. So the folks who are going to take these resources off our public lands are paying the taxpayers and the nation less for that resource. That's not helping the whole, uh, budget causes it.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Sure. All things worth considering if you're listening to this show, is your public lands on, they're precious.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Nobody, nobody ever brings up revising the mining act.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Man, there's an easy win.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Nobody ever brings it up.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  All right, we got a few plugs to do before we get on with the rest of the show. Marcus, there's a collab among some of our partners that I know you specifically are very excited about. Tell us about that.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, you've already had a list of meat jaw for a while, but I'll, I'll keep this one quick. Our pals at Moultrie and Onyx are working together now, which is pretty fun. Very simply put, you can now connect your Moultrie trail cameras to your Onyx Hunt app. So they work together so that when you go into your Moultrie app and you log in with your Onyx account, when I head out there and I go set up a new Moultrie camera, like I did a month or so ago before I took off for Idaho, it will automatically drop a pin on my map showing where my camera is, which is pretty nice. So I can always see it and then I can actually click on that pin and see the photos pulled in from my Moultrie cameras in the same place.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Very convenient.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  So very convenient, some really cool, different ways you can use that and you can dive into the details a little bit more. But if you use Moultrie cameras and if you use the Onyx Hunt app, this is a great way to, to get the best of both worlds in one place. And keep your trail camera data and your hunt plan data a little bit more easily accessible and, and top of mind.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  And it's just getting harder and harder to lose a trail camera. The amount of trail cameras I come across in the woods that have clearly been there for a decade and not visited, you know, for about that same amount of time, it happens too often.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  If only there was an app that would show me where I lost the keys to the lock that attached my camera to the tree.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  I need that one.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Whitetail guy problems, you know?

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  One more plug, the new hats, they are in the store July 12th, so in two days from now. Marcus has one right now.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Check out.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Wired to hunt. Um, I've got a bison hat. I'm pretty thrilled about these and they're going to be available to store at the meat eater.com in two days. All right, we have now served our audience a big heaping plate of vegetables. When I think about content, I think about the content as vegetables, meat or candy. We've, we've just given you a big old helping of vegetables, which is good. You need to eat your vegetables. The rest of the show though, we got meat and candy coming at you. You, you guys good with that?

• 34:00Speaker 03

  I'm good.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Okay. Our next segment is one minute fishing.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead. Make my cast.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  One Minute Fishing is brought to you by OnX Fish. To find your new favorite place to fish, go to onxmaps.com/fish. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Bradley Poole, aka FindinFish on Instagram. He's on a creek in northern Tennessee and fishing for a donation to the Cumberland River Compact. Bradley, welcome to the show.

• 34:45Speaker 05

  Howdy, hey, folks. I'm so stoked to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Thanks for being here. Bradley, you run one of my favorite accounts on Instagram. You make some of the most unique fishing content on the internet. Tell folks what FindinFish is.

• 34:59Speaker 05

  Man, that's, that's super kind of you. Thank you. It's a pretty simple concept, basically, when you're out fishing and you see a snag lure, then you just try to retrieve it and then fish it like right there where you found it or on that body of water. It's just like a super fun way to like try different, different lures and challenge yourself, you know, in ways that you wouldn't normally. So.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. How did this lure recycling endeavor of yours start?

• 35:30Speaker 05

  Well, man, I, I grew up fishing as a little kid, but kind of phased out of it when I was older. And I picked it back up in 2020 when the pandemic started as, you know, so many people did then. And so while I was out, you know, visiting all these new places, trying to relearn how to fish, I just couldn't help but notice like every single place had a lure hanging out of a tree or that somebody had like dropped on the bank or something. And it just became like this big scavenger hunt treasure.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Okay. How many, how many lures do you think you've found by now?

• 36:00Speaker 05

  I got crazier and crazier. Started with just my pool. Oh, probably, I think like 360 over the three to four years that I have been doing it. And that's like before the posting, you know, or after the posting, sorry. So I've, I've found a lot in those first years.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  And what's the biggest snag of lures you've come across?

• 36:24Speaker 05

  Man, I, I think probably it was in North Alabama, visiting my in-laws, we found this like big ol' rat's nest of line.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  And up in a tree, pulled the pole out, tried to pull on it, and you could just see all the trees. I don't remember how many lures I got out of that, but it was a like, it was a sizable wad of line that we pulled out of the tree.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  And what's the most common lures you find, and the most common places you find them?

• 36:50Speaker 05

  Man, I, it, it really varies. There's a lot. I, I found a good spread of lures, but a lot of rooster tails and like, you know, inline spinners, especially like where they're trout, you know, stalking trout, and, uh, you know, jigs, like any kind of jigs, curly tails, bobby garlands, that sort of thing. And then I've kind of found a little slew of, uh, whopper ploppers lately, which is just kind of a weird fluke, but I'm not mad about it.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Are there any lures that get you really excited when you come across them?

• 37:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, the whopper ploppers. Honestly, that I just, I get giddy every time I find it. They're like nine plus dollars, you know, and they're super fun to fish, super fast, and the hits are amazing, of course.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Okay, on the water today, have you found any lures yet this afternoon?

• 37:35Speaker 05

  No, no, I haven't. This is one of my favorite spots to fish, and I've picked it pretty clean. Lures don't last very long here.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  That's good, that's good. Uh, for today's one-minute fishing, tell us about where you're at, what you're fishing for, and how you're doing it.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. So I'm on a creek that feeds the Cumberland, and, um, basically, this is a pretty wide spot right here. Super shallow in the center, but it's, uh, deeper on the side here with a little bit of shade cover. And then I've got a little bit deeper spot over here with some weed cover, so hoping that I can just kind of, you know, cover, cover around as fast as I can. I kind of changed up my, uh, tactic a little bit. I was gonna use a little bobby garland jig that I found here a couple of weeks ago, but when I timed myself, it was just too slow. I couldn't get enough retrieves, so I've switched over to just a little black, um, little black rooster tail, and hopefully that's gonna give me maximum casts, you know, around here and covers much water as I can.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Okay, is that a, is that a rooster tail that you found?

• 38:34Speaker 05

  Or a small mouth?

• 38:37Speaker 05

  It is not here. I don't think it came out of a big box of tangled lures that I've pulled off a tree. But uh, yeah, I did find this one and I've got a backup one over here on a different rod if I need it. So.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  All right, Bradley, your one minute of fishing starts when you make that first cast.

• 38:54Speaker 05

  Let's do it.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  All right, Bradley's line is in the water. Uh, had a very audible cast. That's uh, that's kind of him for our podcast audience to make that so loud. He's already on his second cast 10 seconds in.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  I like the retrieve. Is he gonna switch it up though? I'm wondering if he's gonna stick with a consistent retrieve on every one of the casts or do something different?

• 39:20Speaker 02

  I think his, if he's gonna switch it up, he's just gonna cast to the other side of the canoe. Oh, there's a little twitch.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  Oh, he's got a fish on!

• 39:28Speaker 02

  30 seconds in! No, keep going, keep going! Keep going! You got 30 seconds left.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  What was it Bradley?

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Let him focus, let him focus. Get another one.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  He looks panicked now. 15 seconds left.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Oh wow.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  See if he can recover.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  Can he do it?

• 39:50Speaker 02

  10 seconds to go Brad.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  All right, he's just made his final cast.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Twitch, twitch, twitch.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Oh, did not happen today. That is your one minute. Tell us what happened there on that fish.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  Oh brother, he got, uh, he swung over the boat and then as he swung back, he just flapped his tail and he was gone.

• 40:16Speaker 02

  It was a small boat?

• 40:18Speaker 05

  It was not. It was a like, kinda small, uh, bluegill. Like I was thinking maybe.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Nice, that's pretty cool.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Oh man, sorry guys.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  That, that was exciting. Almost happened. Uh, we'll have you back on the show Bradley to do this again.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  I would love to. When you started this segment, man, I was like, that, that is a segment I would love to do someday. So thanks so much for having me guys.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Oh, you did great. Thanks for joining us. Uh, thanks for making great content. Thanks for cleaning up after your fellow anglers.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  Oh, thank you so much. Oh, the tag is find dot and dot fish on Instagram.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Ah, there you go. Go check it out.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Watch out. Thanks guys. We'll see you later.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  See you Brad.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  All right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 41:00Speaker 06

  Chat's doing great today. Sometimes we're a little light on questions, but we've got a surplus right now. Uh, let's see here. Christopher asks, Cal, what is some good advice for getting ahead of hunting bans? Washington is now going after regulating coyote hunting with, uh, with no, no science. He corrected himself in a different comment.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, it's a great question. You know, I think the boilerplate answer is, is your means to being proactive is securing the right to hunt and fish in your state. Um, however, it's, it's always consistent education. Um, I feel like things are changing now and, and the state of Washington. Uh, if you're a hunter or an angler, even in that state, you need to be engaged because it, nothing is a given. So being in the room and being consistent is always the best way to, to stay ahead of this stuff.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Which means you don't get activated only when times are bad and the fire is on your doorstep. But you gotta make, make sure that you're aware. And you can do that by, you know, being signed on with a bunch of different conservation groups in their newsletters. So you're aware of what's happening and then figuring out how to make the time to show up. For the comment periods, uh, in person writing, et cetera. So it's, it's a job.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  Nathan asks, does Mark have a whitetail deer season update? What is he doing to prepare for the season this time of year?

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah. So the update would be, uh, I'm hunting my home state of Michigan, of course. It's going to be a different year there because for most of the last decade plus, more than that now, I've usually had a deer or two every year coming into the new season that I've known from previous years. So I'm like, I'm going after this deer or that deer. I'm excited to see this deer. Every deer I was interested in last year disappeared.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Oh, what do you think happened?

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Use the wrong bait.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  No bait, no bait kill. Um, so maybe that is the wrong bait, no bait, but it is illegal where I live, so it's the right choice. Um, I don't know, you know, more, I have a thousand theories, too little time to discuss it.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  It's not too late for one to show up, though.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  It's not too late for one to show, for certain, something will show up. But the question is, will a deer that I have any history with show up again after being gone for, you know, 12 months? I don't know. So all that to be said is that I'm actually kind of excited about it because it's gonna be a little bit different. It's gonna be fresh slate, gonna be a bunch of mystery and going back to just having fun out there, not worrying about what deer I'm after. Just sitting out there in the woods and maybe spend some more time, get the boys out there with me more and enjoy it in different ways.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  Give me some names though of the deer who you hope might show up.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  Oh, like if, if they were to show back up from last year? Oh geez. Um, there was a deer, we call it my son, my kids named the deer that I, that we see now. So my son named this one Bulldozer and uh, we found his match set last spring. My, my, at the time he was four, found one of these antlers. So like very cool that my four-year-old found this antler and he's super excited to see this deer and we were really hopeful he'd be around last year. And he was around a couple of times, but disappeared in early November. So if he showed back up, he'd be probably a six and a half-year-old buck, which would be a very, very old buck for our area. So that'd be really cool.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  It's gonna be at his peak or, or like just starting to get beyond it?

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's one of those deer that isn't gonna, you know, raise a whole bunch of eyebrows when it comes to antlers, but he was a massive-bodied deer, like very cool, blind in one eye. I thought that was very, very cool. I'd seen him since he was a three-year-old, so I watched him as a three, four and five-year-old.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Was he blind as a three-year-old?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  It was his, I think it was late in his third year. It was like December when I noticed like, oh, something happened to that buck. And then the whole fourth year and then fifth year, you could see that very obviously injured eye. So he would be the one I'd be really excited to see. I do know that.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  That's hard because if you know he's coming in on one side, it'd be better to have your tree stand on the left-hand side, the dead-eye side. But he's only gonna turn to the right.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  The biggest buck that I ever hunted, one that I like got to um, like form a relationship with, where I, I knew he existed for a number of years. He was blind in one eye and it didn't give me the advantage I needed to kill him. So it's not a death sentence.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  No, no, it's not. But uh, but yeah, so I'd love for him to show back up. Uh, and then I also drew an Iowa tag this year. So I'm very excited to go to Iowa. It's been a handful of years since I've hunted there.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  South, north?

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Iowa.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Okay, Iowa. That's a good way to put it. What else we got, Phil?

• 45:38Speaker 06

  Uh, we have a Janice asking, is Mark Kenyon ready to pace Janice in two weeks at the Crazy Mountain 100?

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Yes, Janice, he is ready. Uh, it's very exciting though, guys. I am gonna be pacing Yanis for the final stretch of his 100 mile run.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  So how many miles?

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Uh, so my segment's just like eight, I think. But I'll be with him with for the final eight, the last eight miles of his 100 mile race. I will be there to drag his dead body across the finish line. And, uh, very honored, honored to be able to, uh, be a part of that with him.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  That's probably the, uh, the most important position in the 100 miler, I would imagine.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  He, he told me that he thought I'd be a good pacer because I'm the kind of guy who would research how to be a good pacer.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  That sounds on brand.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Uh, give us a few more, Phil.

• 46:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure. Uh, Kyle says Cal will be proud that his call for public action prompted me to contact both my senators on this subject. On that topic, how many calls or signatures, signatures would it take for him to host a round of trivia?

• 46:36Speaker 01

  I don't think Spencer would ever trust me with that. So, um, that's more of a Spencer question.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Or is Kyle asking to host trivia?

• 46:44Speaker 06

  Oh, no, no, I think, I think he wants Cal to host.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Uh, Cal has an open invite. Cal, if you ever want to host trivia, you, you come and host trivia.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Uh, that genuinely surprises me, Spencer.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Oh, duh. I'd happen, happy to have other folks in this chair. Same goes for Mark. Uh, I, I think, uh, Mark would actually take me up on that.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Okay, it's gonna happen.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Kyle, though, uh, thank you very much for, for calling your elected officials. The reality is, is, um, I, anybody in this room can scream at the top of our lungs, uh, as loud as we can and as long as we can. And unless other people join in, we're just not gonna be effective. Like, it is the definition of a, of a team effort. And we can't do it without you. So, thank you.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  So a silver lining of the whole public land sale issue that we've experienced over the last couple of months is that I think a whole lot of people finally did this, finally picked up the phone and gave folks a call. I, I can think of so many people I've talked to personally who are like, hey, I finally did it. It wasn't that bad. I think people realize that it's not as hard as you think. It's not intimidating. You don't need to be an expert. You don't have to debate anyone on the other side of the line. Um, and it can make a difference. We saw that by picking up the phone and all of us from all, you know, from all stripes of life, we all came together and made these phone calls and sent these emails and it did make a difference. And so I think hopefully to your point earlier with, you know, whether it be rights to hunt and predator hunting, all these different things.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  We're going to need to keep doing that. And I think more people are confident and, and comfortable doing that moving forward.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the, in the couple of days leading up to it finally getting pulled from the bill, there were two things that, um, encouraged me that like the tides were, were turning on this. One, um, was that on Twitter, which is where I get my sports news, that people were tweeting about this. For the first time in my lifetime, um, it like Twitter became a platform where it wasn't hunters and anglers either. Who like cared about this thing and who were talking about it. And it was like trending on Twitter for a few days. Mike Lee was. The other thing that was very encouraging was Mike Lee, that giant douchebag had tweeted out that, um, he, he wondered aloud, who was funding all of this?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Who was, who was organizing, um, this amount of feedback?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's like, I know who's paying me to try to get this stuff.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was, it was so overwhelming from the people listening to this show and beyond that, that he, uh, made the assumption that there was some boogeyman.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Shadow organization.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Yes. Um, so that's, that's how powerful your voices were on this message.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Darn right.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Let's do one more, Phil.

• 49:18Speaker 06

  Okay. Let's see here. Uh, Phil from Logan, I need to know who's your favorite character in Lord of the Rings? First person that popped into my head was, uh, that fool that took, uh, Pippin. Pippin took.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  I thought you were saying Gandalf.

• 49:32Speaker 06

  Oh, well, I mean, you know, that's kind of.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  He said that line.

• 49:34Speaker 06

  I know. That's too obvious, but I was, I'm, I'm referring to Peregrine. His arc in Return of the King is, is my favorite. Um, and when Billy Boyd sings, uh, the Stewart of Gondor, it moves me. It stirs my bones.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  I, I'm going to need, um, some sort of a mashup of this Phil to understand what you just said.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  In your spare time.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  I'll get to work on that.

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• 52:39Speaker 02

  Our next segment is The Price is Right.

• 52:45Speaker 06

  Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana, Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right.

• 52:53Speaker 06

  Mark Kenyon, come on down.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Mark Kenyon, welcome.

• 52:57Speaker 06

  Ryan Callahan, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Spencer Newho.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Thank you, Phil. This is the candy that I was referring to earlier in the episode that we'd get to. Now, this game is really simple. What do you got, Cal?

• 53:18Speaker 01

  I said if you don't sign off by saying, remember to get your dogs and cats neutered, I'm going to beat.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  I have it in my script.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Thank God. Thank God.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  This game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. All right, this week, all three products are from Facebook Marketplace. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're doing it slightly different, so forgive me here. Let's see here.

• 54:01Speaker 06

  Let's start today's bidding with some utility metal trays in Belgrade, Montana. These eighth of an inch sheets of aluminum were originally fabricated as cadaver trays during COVID. But the seller says they'd be useful to any hunter as a butchering station or for gear storage in the back of your truck. No more allowing blood to freely flow across your kitchen table and no more awkwardly crawling across the bed of your pickup to reach that lantern. He also says they'd work great for hydroponic gardening or as shelves in your garage. This has us here in the studio wondering, what can't a cadaver tray do?

• 54:32Speaker 02

  That's right, Phil. This is surely a listing that'll knock them dead.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  All right, Cal and Mark, what is the price for one of those trays off of Facebook market?

• 54:44Speaker 01

  It's just one tray.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  One tray. That's what he had the price. We're just looking for one tray. If you want, he said in his listing, you could get a good deal by buying that whole thing set up there, buying multiple trays at a time, but we're just buying one tray. And these are six and a half feet long, two and a half feet wide, and they're built with, quote, "marine edge" that has full fluid retention.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  I mean, that's an expensive deal. Welded aluminum.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Uh huh. These were designed to be cadaver trays, but this guy is sure that any outdoorsman could use one of these. Cal, what would you do with one of them trays?

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I think that'd be a killer thing to just haul out and put on the kitchen counter when you're butchering stuff.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Um, easy to clean, hit it with a little bleach and you're good to go. Yeah, I mean, I'd take a cadaver tray.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Belgrade, Montana. That's, uh, that's realistic, actually.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, boy. That's a tough one.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  How you boys doing? Do you have an answer? Again, this is just for one tray we're pricing. Six and a half feet long, two and a half feet wide, made of aluminum. And you can see in one of the details of his photos, he shows you, uh, his welding ability. How's that weld look to you, Cal?

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Oh, it's beautiful.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  He's a good welder.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  But that has nothing to do with what we're purchasing today.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  No, but it gives you some confidence in the seller, uh, that this man takes a lot of pride in his cadaver tray work.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  All right, you boys have an answer?

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Mark Kenyon saying $35, Ryan Callaghan saying $130.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I won that. I'm way low.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  The correct answer. Is $150 giving Ryan Callaghan the first point? He was $20 off. Uh, this seller says he'll cut you a deal if you buy four or more. Phil, how'd the chat do?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Uh, we had a couple of people get it right on the money. We had Brendan say 150.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Dang Brendan.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Nathan also saying 150.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Well done Brendan and Nathan.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Have you bought stainless steel trays before, Cal?

• 56:52Speaker 01

  I mean, you just know the material. That's expensive. I mean, that's expensive.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, six and a half feet of aluminum.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Two and a half feet wide. I'll let you know, Mark, I don't think Cal's ever lost this game.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 57:02Speaker 02

  You're coming in up against our toughest opponent.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  And this is intimidating. I'm, I mean, just so people know, understand the context of my buying habits. I'm wearing a five-year-old free t-shirt right now. Like, not out there hitting the marketplace very hard.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  I spent a lot of time on Facebook Marketplace. What a, what a, what a good place to get deals.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Well, I do feel like given like what you just said there, you might be the kind of person who buys their clothes and stuff on Facebook Marketplace.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Oh, Goodwill?

• 57:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's hard for, I avoid Goodwill because I always come out of there with more stuff than I drop off.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Find your own things in Goodwill. That's what happens to me.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  All right, Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

• 57:43Speaker 06

  Next up is a pheasant print love seat with a hideaway bed in Colton, South Dakota. This love seat is pure grandma core furniture, AKA granny chic. You know what I'm talking about. It's those loud nostalgic designs that are printed with a repeating image of a rustic barn with a farm plow perched outside or an old mill with a working water wheel or a floral pattern consisting of red and orange and gold flowers. But at least those ugly couches were comfortable, right? No, absolutely not. The scratchy fabric would give you a rash and the wood trimmed arms were more likely to give you a neck ache than a good night's sleep. This particular couch is printed with a flushing pheasant pattern, so you know grandpa had a say in its purchase. It's the perfect spot to watch your favorite episode of Green Acres and eat leftovers out of a country crock tub.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, and it was off Facebook Marketplace before I could message the seller to buy it myself. This listing disappeared in just 17 hours.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Now, I want to make sure I got this right because I do think, uh, cost of living in the regions for sale matters. So, did you say this was in South Dakota?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Colton, South Dakota. This is about, uh, 30 minutes outside of their biggest city, Sioux Falls. So, eastern South Dakota is where this came from. It's already gone though. I, I wish I could have logistically figured out how to make this my own. But I could not.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  I could see in some places, this could go for a lot of money in one of the, in like, kinda like that, like, like your wife is into. She's kind of into like that old, like boutiquey old stuff and making it new and fresh again.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Do you have a guess, Mark?

• 59:06Speaker 03

  I do.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  And this is in, you know, the hunting, the pheasant hunting lodge capital of the world, so. What a piece. Green Acres, Phil, did you love Green Acres?

• 59:15Speaker 01

  I don't think I've seen an episode of Green Acres.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Oh, but you know the song, right?

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Nick at Night?

• 59:18Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Green Acres is the place to be.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Farm living, middle life for me.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Farms spread out far and wide.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  There we go. We know it. All right, you boys ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Mark saying $150 and Ryan Callaghan saying $64. The correct answer is $75, giving Ryan Callaghan his second point, just $11 off the correct answer.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  What, what screws me up is what I think it's listed for versus what I'd offer.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  $64, pretty good deal. And it's a hideaway bed on top of that.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm, I'm walking away with that thing at right at 50. No more. Sorry.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Like I said, it disappeared in 17 hours, so there must have been some real demand. All right, Cal has already wrapped up the victory, but we'll see if he can get a quick, clean sweep and make Mark run around the building naked as is tradition.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Really quick, we had, uh, Odie, the Good Shepherd, with 75, Nick with 75, and Spencer 2.0 with 75.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Well done, you three. All right, Phil, tell us about the third item up for bid today.

• 1:00:37Speaker 06

  Our final item today is First Light gear that's being sold by a former Meat Eater employee. He's got four items available, including a brand new Refuge Parka, a brand new LZ jacket, a like-new Sanctuary 2.0 jacket, and a like-new Kilm hoodie. He says it's great gear and he's happy to provide references, including from some folks who actually work at First Light. No kidding. And you can feel good about your purchase because it's helping him fund a down payment to his first home.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, he says these items are priced to move. It's almost as though he got them for free at a discounted rate. Cal and Mark, what is his asking price for those four pieces of First Light gear?

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  All that together?

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  All four together. It was a Refuge Parka, LZ Jacket, Sanctuary 2.0 Jacket, and Kiln Hoodie.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  That's a lot.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  That is.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Those four items together.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Price to go and he's trying to buy a house.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  He's trying to buy a house, he says, "And I like this individual, so I'm not gonna rat him out too bad." Uh, just, uh...

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Are you allowed to say who it is?

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like someone's gonna snoop this guy out and he's gonna get a lashing.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  It's gone, it's sold, uh, you'll, you'll never, you'll never solve this mystery. What is the asking price for these four first light items? Cal loves that Refuge Parka, I know it.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's burly. It's amazing. I mean, I let Snort use it as like a blind dog bed.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  What a compliment.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  A whole year because it wasn't like cold enough for me to wear it. But I wanted to get the wear and tear in there, so like dog pawing and mud and all the stuff and it's still totally waterproof and it's a great, great jacket.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Again, it's a Refuge Parka, LZ Jacket, Sanctuary 2.0 Jacket, and a Like New Kiln Hoodie. You boys have your answer?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answer. We have Ryan Callaghan saying $550. Mark Kenyon says $500. The correct answer is $750, giving Ryan Callaghan the third point and the clean sweep. Now, purchase new, they'd be worth over $1,400.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  So you're getting these at 50% off.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ben in the chat was 650, who I think was the closest.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Oh, well done, Ben. I like that guy. All right, uh, that's the end of today's game of Prices Right. Thanks for playing along and remember to help control the pet population, have your pets spayed and neutered.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  Love it. Great job.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Uh, Drew Carey, he's been hosting Prices Right for 18 years now, if you'd like to feel old.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  I've never, ever watched Drew Carey Prices Right.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Hmm. Did you ever watch Drew Carey on, uh, Who's Line Is It Anyway?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  No. That's when I used to watch him.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  I liked Drew Carey on The Drew Carey Show.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Cleveland Rocks.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, an amazing, amazing intro. That was when people cared about the music that played, uh, for the, the intro of their sitcom.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Good stuff. Choreographed dances.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 06

  Through the streets.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Well, and they had to change, who was that, Presidents of the United States of America?

• 1:03:39Speaker 06

  I think so, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  And then they had to change that intro a few times.

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  Oh, I didn't, I didn't know this.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  All right, our next segment is show and tell.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Spencer, I have a doctor's appointment in three minutes.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  All right, Cal, what did you bring to show the classroom today?

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  What were we supposed to bring, Spencer?

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Um, I brought a good attitude.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  And, uh, open.

• 1:04:21Speaker 06

  Somehow worse than the shoe last time.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Did you ever consider?

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  I'm wearing flip flops today.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Does Cal ever open emails?

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  I do. There's just a lot of them.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  A lot of them.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, as I nervously scanned for, oh, I have.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  A piece of audio.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  Phil can tell you more about this.

• 1:04:41Speaker 06

  Well, sure, that's the Zoom Pod Track P4. I bought it for Cal, so he got a more compact setup for his remote podcast interviews. Cause he's a man, uh, he's a man on the road. He's, he's busy.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Someday that's gonna end up in goodwill.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Out, out there on long and lonesome.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  All right, Marcus, what did you bring for show and tell?

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  I brought a very small caribou antler.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  From the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Very cute.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  We were finding all sorts of caribou sheds throughout our adventure that we told everybody about, and some big ones. But I got to thinking, man, I can't, maybe I could bring one big one home. It'd be a little bit of a hassle, but the problem is you can't bring one home of anything in my household because I've got two sons.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  If you've got one, you've got none. So I wasn't gonna bring two huge caribou sheds back with everything else. So I decided to search out the smallest antlers I could find.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  How many antlers did you guys see?

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  Oh, jeez.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  I mean, quite a few, but.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Put a number on it.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  I've found three moose antlers.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I mean, how, I, I had the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, okay?

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Yep. But total antlers, I mean, we just, you wouldn't even go pick them up. You would just see them off in the distance. I would say, you know, more than 50.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  So you brought home the smallest one you could find?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  So I brought the two smallest ones I could find, and this is one of them. And the boys were very excited with them, and they keep them in their bedroom now. And it feels pretty, uh, pretty exotic to them. A caribou antler that they can touch and feel and say the dad found this in Alaska. And kind of a fun story for them to think about.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  I can't believe their pedicle is even that small, even at their, uh, their youngest antler development age.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, and I mean, that could have been off a cow.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Mmm. Female antlers.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  Brent says it's the antler from the Grinch's dog. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  You know what? It does look like that.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  Does look like that.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I, I won Dad of the Week Award with these.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Now, how did you decide which son got which antler?

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Uh, that was a little bit of like a push and shove and see who grabbed what first.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Oh, alright.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  I stayed out of that one.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  But they were both happy with what they ended up with.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  And, uh, and very excited to bring those back and show their buddies here in a, in a month or so.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  You see how easy that is, Cal? You must have a hundred antlers at your house you could have brought.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  I do. I got a billion things going through my brain at every second though too, so it was hard to keep it straight.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  I thought, Cal, I thought you were gonna bring your moose shed.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Cal's got a cool moose shed story from our trip if we have time to tell it.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  I packed a huge moose shed home, all the way.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  The only was here to look at.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I just, yeah.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  But the way you found it?

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Well, we flew over it. Um, and somebody in the plane made the comment like, oh, that's a hikeable distance from camp.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  You?

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  No, not me.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  But when we landed, the whole time I was like, that's a lot further away.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  You cover a lot of ground in a plane, right? And yeah, so I just started hiking and eventually did, did come across it. Uh, but also found like a, a old caribou deadhead that was face down in the muskeg. And the antlers were like sinking into the muskeg, like it's gonna be a fossil here in another thousand years, you know? Um, and yeah, real, real cool. Just big, long slog.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  But found that, brought it all the way back.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Wish I could see it.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  I'd love to be holding that thing right now.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it impressed the hell out of the UPS driver the other day, so.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  Alright, my show intel item is a stamp. This is a stamp that my wife got me this year, the last time we were in New York City. And this is a book stamp, so that I can stamp all of my books. It says, "From the Library of Spencer Neuharth." It's got a shirtless Smokey the Bear on there, who's holding a shovel. And this way, when Mark Kenyon wants to borrow a book from me, he knows that he has to give it back. There's no arguing, because all of my books now have this stamp in them.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Thank you for doing this, Spencer, because all of my friends think I'm the biggest nerd in the world, because I have something similar. Instead of an ink stamp, I've got one of the things where I'm having a brain fart.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  It's like a notary.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a press. It presses a crest onto my book that says, "From the Library of Mark Kenyon." And they think I'm a total goober. So, thank you, Spencer, for joining me in this.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. So, this is one of my favorite gifts I've ever gotten. It's Smokey the Bear, telling everyone that that is my damn book. Alright, that brings us to the end of the show. Let's get some final feedback from the listeners. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 1:09:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, we got a question from Mark. He says, "We started planning out an Alaska caribou hunt in five years, and this new bill is putting a wrench in it. My dad says we shouldn't hunt them, because we'd be putting additional stress on the herd." And then he followed it up with just like, general thoughts from you guys.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Man, the Porcupine Caribou Herd, which is the herd here in the refuge where this is happening, is one of the only caribou herds that's not in decline right now. Most others are plummeting. This one has been doing pretty decent at the moment. But this could change things. I mean, it could. We just don't know yet when all this is going to start happening, and what that's going to look like. So, I guess I'm going to put my faith in the Alaska fishing game, and hope that they're going to adjust tag allocations if things start going nose down. But I would be keeping tabs on it.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Oh, and the other thing is like, people need to go up and see this area and have these adventures. Once you do, you can't think, "Oh, man, this would be better if we were developing it for..."

• 1:10:28Speaker 06

  Anything other than what it's constantly doing, which is, you know, creating unbelievable amounts of life, right? So, um, I think it's important that you go on that hunt.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  Also, a lot can change in five years. A lot can change in six months, um, which is about the amount of time that's taken for this big, beautiful bill to happen for the Trump administration. Also, I think probably one of the hardest parts for people to plan an Alaska hunt or trip is just saving the money. So I, I don't know. Keep, keep planning that trip for five years from now.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. And there's, there's a heck of a lot of stuff to do up there, even if the caribou hunt doesn't happen for one reason or another. There's amazing rafting opportunities, hiking opportunities, backpacking, bird watching. I mean, see it one way or another.

• 1:11:09Speaker 06

  Yep. Carl asks Spencer, what's your favorite bar in Yankton?

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Oh, uh, glad you asked Carl. The Ice House. That's, that's just like a classic answer. I think everyone who's been to Yankton and been to a bar there, that's their favorite bar. It's right next to the Missouri River. You've got great scenery. And then, uh, when you finish your drink, you, you order a bottle, of course, you get to smash that bottle against the building, uh, underneath their patio. It's very satisfying experience. It's very motivating to have that next beer.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Not into recycling there, huh?

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Recycling it, uh, right back to the earth under that porch.

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  What else you got, Phil?

• 1:11:44Speaker 06

  Jeremy says, question for the crew. I'm about, I'm about to take a mate in his first real hunt. Do I put him up front and give him the best cracker? Is a watch and learn approach better?

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Feel it out. Very dynamic situation. The, my only thing that I would tell you have to do is, is put that person in a situation where they can, um, try to make their own informed decisions. Um, you know, it's just not very impactful if you are doing all the hunting and then you're like, hey,

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  pull the trigger, right? You gotta put them in a position to where they'd start learning the hunting and have to make some of those decisions along the way.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. I would also say, I mean, it depends on what their exposure is to the experience preceding this one hunt. Like if they have, if they're coming right off the couch and have done nothing out here like this, I would say that's probably, it'd be a lot to throw you right into the fire right away and tell you, hey, you're hunting, shoot. It might be worth letting them tag along for a while, but I've had plenty of times where someone's been exploring these things on their own. They've been dabbling, they've been testing, they've been watching, they've been thinking about it, and they just need someone with them for that final step to, to really go on a real hunt, but they've been slowly getting there. In that case, then yeah, give them those opportunities. But I, I agree with what you're saying, Ken.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think when I'm with an inexperienced hunter, one of the top things I notice that they struggle with is the speed of things. Whether it's like now you have to be really slow and, and like treat each one of these moments like it really matters, or now you gotta go really fast. Like you gotta make a decision, you gotta get to this spot, you have to like do this next thing. So I think if you can get them to tag along and just watch and, and try to get a feel for when things need to be slow, you go slow. When things need to be fast, you go fast. It's just gonna put them in a better position.

• 1:13:37Speaker 06

  Cool. Do a couple more. Uh, where was the one? Oh yeah. Nate asks, he's, well, first he says he's chasing his first buck in South Dakota this year. What time of year do you know a buck is looking like it's gonna be a big one? Is there a saying like with corn? Knee high by 4th of July? Oh, you should, I should come up with one right now.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, for me, usually in July, you're like, okay, that's probably gonna be a good one. But really, once, once August hits, then you know, like, oh yeah, like that, you know what a buck's gonna be once August rolls around. And then by, at least, you know, places I spend time, by mid-August, they're basically what they're gonna be. They start hardening from mid-August, from mid-August on, and then peel velvet that first week of September, give or take, you know, a little bit. So yeah, in July, you're getting like a general sense of, oh, I think so. And then August, you know so.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. In July, you're probably looking at antlers that have like a hot dog shape almost. They're like still bulbous. You, you'll have a good idea. I don't think you're going to be surprised if you get a buck on trail camera, um, two weeks from now. I don't think you're gonna be shocked in August at what that deer looks like. Um, so you, you'll have a good idea right now.

• 1:14:45Speaker 06

  Just to follow up on the book talk, Spencer asks if anything's, if anybody is reading anything good and any book recommendations.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  Uh, The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley would be one I'd recommend for anyone who's been intrigued by our conversation today. That book's all about the history of public lands and wildlife and conservation in Alaska. Fascinating history of how the Alaska we know today came to be. The many battles like what we've been talking about today have been happening for decades and decades, various iterations of it. Super interesting, very interesting characters, many of the names that you've heard in podcasts on MeatEater or within films or wherever it might be, stuff like Aldo Leopold, Bob Marshall, Olas Muri, John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt, all these people had a, had a really integral

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  part of Alaska's history as well that I think most people don't know. I didn't know a lot of this stuff, even as someone who's written about this extensively. So fascinating and a pretty page turner of a history book. So that's The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  I'm on my 26th book of the year right now. Uh, it's The Pirate's Code. It's all about pirates. It's okay. It's fine. It's gonna be like a three and a half star book for me when I'm done, I think. Uh, best thing I've read out of his of late, Ridgeline. We had Michael Pank on the MeatEater podcast a few years ago. He also wrote The Revenant. Uh, that is a, a great work of historical fiction. Would, would recommend that to anyone who is interested in, in that subject matter. Uh, also Wolf Island. I bought that book while I was at Isle Royale. Um, and, and I loved it.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  It's on my to read list.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Really, really fascinating stuff. Um, and, and a book always feels like it's stronger when it has a firsthand account. And this is written by one of those biologists who was one of the first people to work on, uh, the, the moose and wolf relationship of Isle Royale. Uh, it's, it's a great read, especially if you're interested in that part of the world.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  David Meach, right? Or Mec, something like that?

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:48Speaker 03

  M E C H?

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Heck yeah. I just got The Warrior's Garden by Richard Ryan in the mail. So I'm gonna start digging, digging through that.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  My next book was actually recommended by Phil's wife, Adrian, The Feather Thief. So I'm very excited about that one. She thought I'd be interested.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. It's like a three day book.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  Hmm. Good.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  It's a fast one.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  All right. That brings us to the end of the show. Thanks, Cal. Thanks, Marcus.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Thanks, Spencer.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  See everyone back here next week.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Good time.

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