Her Ex Lied About His Identity, Then Took Her Life: The Murder of Lauren McCluskey

Lauren McCluskey was a 21-year-old college student with a full life ahead of her when she was killed by a vengeful stalker ex-boyfriend. She tried on multiple occasions to get both campus police and local police involved as her dangerous situation escalated, but sadly, they failed her so many times along the way. The worst part being that if someone with the police had realized that her ex was a felon on parole–or perhaps if they listened to her when she told them this–the whole tragedy could have been avoided. The Lauren McCluskey Foundation: https://laurenmccluskey.org/ Donations: https://secure.qgiv.com/for/laurenmcc... https://secure.qgiv.com/for/laurenmccluskeyfoundation Lauren's Promise: https://laurenmccluskey.org/programs/... https://laurenmccluskey.org/programs/laurens-promise/ Campus Safety Initiative: https://laurenmccluskey.org/programs/... https://laurenmccluskey.org/programs/campus-safety/ Report of Independent Review: https://d26toa8f6ahusa.cloudfront.net... https://d26toa8f6ahusa.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/19134844/Final-Report.pdf Recommendations Report: https://safeu.utah.edu/recommendations/ Salt Lake Tribune Article: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/08/1... https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/08/15/here-are-big-changes/ This episode is sponsored by: Nutrafol https://nutrafol.com/ - promo code: KENDALLRAE Quince https://quince.com/tckr Our Place http://fromourplace.com/TCKR - promo code: TCKR Merit Beauty https://www.meritbeauty.com/ — Check out my foundation: Higher Hope Foundation: https://www.higherhope.org/ Watch my documentaries: 530 Days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUWkmOjNLk Apartment 801: https://bit.ly/2RJ9XXr True Crime with Kendall Rae podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3rks84o Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3jC66pr Shop my Merch! https://kendallrae.shop Check out my other podcasts: Mile Higher (True Crime) @milehigherpod YouTube: https://bit.ly/2ROzJcw Instagram: http://instagram.com/milehigherpod The Sesh (Current events, a little true crime, pop culture, and commentary) https://bit.ly/3Mtoz4X @the_seshpodcast Instagram: https://bit.ly/3a9t6Xr *Follow My Social!* @KendallRaeOnyt Instagram: http://instagram.com/kendallraeonyt Facebook: https://bit.ly/3kar4NK True Crime TikTok: https://bit.ly/3VDbc77 Personal TikTok: https://bit.ly/41hmRKg REQUESTS: General case suggestion form: https://zfrmz.com/yg9cuiWjUe2QY3hSC2V0Form for people directly related/close to the victim: https://zfrmz.com/HGu2hZso42aHxARt1i67 Join my discord to chat with other viewers about this video, it’s free! https://discord.com/invite/an4stY9BCN C O N T A C T: For Business Inquiries - [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Send me mail: Kendall Rae 8547 E Arapahoe Rd Ste J #233 Greenwood Village, CO 80112

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• 1:37Kendall Rae?

  Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of True Crime with Kendall Rae. Thank you so much for joining me today. And if you're new to the show, then welcome. I'm glad to have you here. Okay, guys, so I have to be honest. The case that I'm getting into today is going to be hard to get through. It was incredibly hard to research and study for. I'm going to be talking about the murder of 21-year-old Lauren McCluskey and her story and the way that she was failed completely shattered me. It was very, very difficult to work on this and it's going to be difficult to deliver this episode, but it is so, so important that Lauren's story is shared. Lauren was an absolutely beautiful person, inside and out.

• 2:22Kendall Rae?

  She was talented, she was kind, she was very, very smart. And she was a young woman who really had the whole world at her fingertips. And nobody, including Lauren, could have ever seen what was coming. Lauren was swept off her feet by someone who wasn't who they said they were. And by the time she realized it and broke free, it was too late. And not only that, she was failed at every turn by people who were supposed to protect her and really could have, this could have turned out completely different. And I've got to say, of all the cases that will anger you, leave you feeling frustrated, confused, and just anger at the system, this one is up there.

• 3:05Kendall Rae?

  But it is so worth talking about it because Lauren's story is so important and her parents have done an amazing job of keeping her story alive, spreading their message and continuing her impact on the world. And with that, I want to go ahead and start by telling you about Lauren. And honestly, I could do a whole podcast just on her as a person and how amazing she was. And part of the reason for that is because her parents have shared so much information about her and talked about her accomplishments and what she wanted out of life. And it made it really interesting to learn about her. So Lauren Jennifer McCluskey was so special and so, so loved by her family.

• 3:50Kendall Rae?

  She was born on February 12th, 1997 in Berkeley, California, to her very intelligent parents, Jill and Matt, who were living there while getting their doctorate degrees. Then, a year later, the three of them moved to Pullman, Washington, because both of them accepted positions as professors at the University of Washington. And not long after their move, Lauren became a big sister to her baby brother Ryan, completing their family of four. Now, growing up, Lauren was a lot of things, but one word that just keeps coming to mind when I think of Lauren is talented. From the time that she was two years old, she was fearlessly climbing trees. And truly, this kid had determination like no other. She was brave, she was active, full of drive. And although some would describe her as sensitive and shy,

• 4:35Kendall Rae?

  her parents explained that that was less about her being quiet and much more about her choosing her words carefully. So even if she wasn't always the loudest in the room, her words always meant something. And I think some of the most special people among us are like that. And oh my God, you guys, this girl was so, so athletic, so, so talented. I mean, from the time that she was young, her parents knew that athletics was going to be a great outlet for her. She really specifically got into track and field and believe it or not, by the time that she was eight, she was already breaking records. And yeah, from what I gathered, track and field really seemed to be Lauren's like biggest passion in life. And man, was she good at it. When she was nine, her mom told her that if she qualified for Nationals,

• 5:20Kendall Rae?

  that she could go. At age nine, and that's exactly what she did. That year, she got second place on the high jump at the Junior Olympic Nationals, which was just the start of her very successful career. And her competitive nature and passion for challenging herself ended up landing her many trophies over the years. She set records in the high jump, the long jump, and the 400 meter run. And through competing nationally, she earned herself the USA Track and Field All-American Top Eight Title 19 times. 19 times. Let that sink in. And that's just scratching the surface when it comes to Lauren because as a freshman in high school, she was the Washington State High School Champion in High Jump,

• 6:01Kendall Rae?

  and she even attended a private boarding school in Ohio called the Spire Institute during her junior year, which combines academics and elite level athletics. And she returned to Pullman for her senior year, where she helped her team win third place overall in the state. Plus that year, she individually placed ninth overall at the US Junior Championship. So yeah, pretty impressive. But of course, Lauren was so much more than just an athlete. She was also a very good student, very, very smart. She was an amazing friend. She was super, super involved in her community, which I thought was really cool. She volunteered at the YMCA as well as the Special Olympics. And then I love this, but she often spent time at her local animal shelter,

• 6:44Kendall Rae?

  socializing the cats to help them become more adoptable. Cause we all know cats need a little help in that department sometimes. So as you can hopefully tell, Lauren was just awesome. And because of her accomplishments and because she was so well-rounded, when it came to college, she had a lot of options. But in the end, she decided to study communications at the University of Utah, where she received a full scholarship. Now, her parents were super excited about this choice for many reasons, but a big one is that the university claimed to be super safe. Salt Lake City is also very beautiful and the opportunities for Lauren to thrive there appeared to be endless.

• 7:25Kendall Rae?

  And Lauren wasn't a big party girl either, so they didn't feel like they had a lot to worry about with sending her off to school. So they felt like she was going to be safe overall. Of course, every parent, when their child goes off to college is pretty nervous, but they wanted to make sure that she had a safe vehicle, of course, a reliable car. So they didn't end up buying her a car. And then other than that, they felt like she was pretty good to go. And for the next three and a half years, she was, she really did blossom and thrive. Between school and sports and church and her close group of friends, Lauren was doing really well. Her work ethic was admired by everyone around her. Even when things got tough or busy, you would never catch Lauren complaining. She could really handle it all.

• 8:08Kendall Rae?

  And one thing that I loved learning about Lauren is that yes, of course, she's competitive, being the athlete that she was, but she was not really competitive when it came to other people. She was very competitive with herself, but the end of the day, she wanted everyone to succeed. She was very much a girl's girl and always cheering. On her teammates and those around her. I just think people like that are the best kind of people. And I think her close friends would definitely agree. Now, her best friend was a girl named Alex, and they met day one of freshman year as randomly assigned roommates. So really got lucky there. And for the next three years, the two of them remained super close. And Alex watched Lauren's life just get better and better. So going into her senior year,

• 8:50Kendall Rae?

  Lauren had a lot of hope that her last year would really be her best. She was becoming a lot more outgoing, often doing karaoke and even open mic comedy, which is really impressive to me. And things with track and field were going really, really well. And it was sort of like she had this new found sense of confidence that was absolutely radiating out of her. Now, like I said, Lauren wasn't a huge partier, but she did go out and have fun. And on September 1st, she was very excited about going downtown to this restaurant and bar situation called The London Bell to get drinks and go dancing with her friend Alex. And this place, I guess, was pretty popular at the time, so popular that they had a bouncer at the front door.

• 9:30Kendall Rae?

  And to make a long story short, when Lauren and Alex got there, the bouncer caught Lauren's eye, which was something that didn't really happen often for her. Lauren wasn't much of a dater. So for someone to catch her eye was kind of a big deal. And to her surprise, the feelings seemed to be mutual. Throughout the night, he would come in and check in on her and Alex. And I guess he was being pretty flirty with her. I mean, at one point, he even came up and like put his hands on her shoulder. And at the end of the night, she worked up the courage to go write her number on a napkin and give it to him. And that was pretty bold for Lauren. And she told Alex that she really hoped he would text her.

• 10:13Kendall Rae?

  And he did the next morning. And apparently she was all giddy at church, talking about how he wanted to take her on a date that night. So who is this guy? Well, his name was Sean Fields. He was a 28-year-old student at Salt Lake City Community College studying computer science. And he told Lauren that he was working part-time at a local call center and also part-time as a bouncer to help get by. Now, of course, Lauren is only 21 at the time. And 28 was definitely a bit old in her mind, but she didn't overthink it too much. She was really into him and she agreed to go on a date. And their first date was really... What dreams are made of in her mind. And he really, you know, did it up.

• 10:56Kendall Rae?

  He brought roses and he took her somewhere very unique. He took her rock climbing. That's sort of an indoor rock climbing gym situation. And then afterwards, he took her out to dinner where they met some of his friends. And this was really a perfect date in Lauren's mind, getting to do something athletic. You know, you got the roses and everything. She was practically floating afterwards. She liked his friends. She was that happy about him in general. Felt like maybe this is really going to go somewhere. And that cloud nine feeling was there for the next two weeks or so. And things really moved fast. Within a week, he asked her to be his girlfriend and the two of them became inseparable.

• 11:39Kendall Rae?

  She and her friend Alex were roommates as well that year. And Alex said that Sean was sleeping over almost every night. And as for her parents, they felt like he was courting her in a very old fashioned way, despite them feeling a little weird about his age, I guess. But they loved seeing how happy she was.

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• 13:30Kendall Rae?

  However, this honeymoon phase, as you could say, turned out to be very short-lived because practically overnight, Shawn just became this manipulative asshole, really showed his true colors. And it sucks because at this point, Lauren was really head over heels for him. He was the super-controlling type. He had major trust issues. He wouldn't let her do anything without him. She would have to get permission from him to actually go and do anything that she wanted, which is crazy. And he was dictating even who she spent time with and what she wore. And then even if she followed all his rules and only did things with permission, wore what he wanted,

• 14:12Kendall Rae?

  he still wouldn't believe that she was following his rules. So he would make her send pictures of herself to him as proof that she was telling the truth. And he was also that type of person that required her to respond immediately. If she didn't get back to him quick enough, he would freak out at her. So it was to the point where she'd be driving and she'd have to either pull over and text him back or have someone that she was with text him for her. But Lauren really liked him. And when her friends were flagging his behavior as problematic, concerning, Lauren defended him. And she explained that he had trauma from his previous relationships and trust issues, of course, and that he was working through it.

• 14:56Kendall Rae?

  So they shouldn't be concerned. That, of course, didn't give them much confidence, though, because clearly his actions were having an effect on her. I mean... It got pretty bad. Lauren wasn't sleeping. She was losing weight. She was sort of like on edge all the time. And it was all signs that something was seriously wrong. And then two of her friends got really freaked out when Lauren confided in them that he wanted to take her shooting and to get a gun. And one of those friends was a girl named Diamond, who also happened to be the resident assistant at the campus housing building that Lauren and Alex lived in. And obviously, Diamond being an RA had the obligation to report what Lauren is

• 15:37Kendall Rae?

  telling her to her superiors. And even though owning a gun in their building wasn't illegal, it needed to be purchased legally. And from the way Lauren was describing it, she was basically saying that Sean was going to just give her a gun. The problem, though, is that Diamond's report fell on deaf ears. She sent an email to her superiors on October 2, highlighting some of the concerns that were shared among Lauren's friends. But for the next three weeks, she received little to no update on their plans to do something about this. And they even told Diamond that they would, quote, "talk about it later" and acted as if it wasn't a big deal. So, things went on as normal. That is, until a few days later, when Lauren came across Sean's

• 16:19Kendall Rae?

  ID. And, oh my god, when she looked at this ID, she realized that he truly was not who he said he was. Because according to his ID, his name was actually Melvin Sean Rowland. And he was 37 years old. Not 28. 30 fucking 7. Can you imagine what it would be like to figure out that someone you had been spending time with intimately was not who they actually said they were? What a scary moment that would be. I mean, as you can imagine, Lauren was completely shocked. She's beyond frightened, doesn't know what the hell she's gonna do next. But she decided that rather than just confront him about it right away, she was gonna do some more digging. And

• 17:02Kendall Rae?

  coincidentally, this is right around the time that she went on fall break. And so, when she went home, she ended up doing some more research. And when she did, I can imagine, she must have thought she couldn't get any more shocked when it came to Sean, but... Turns out she could. Not only had this man lied about his name and his age, I think I just called him Sean a second ago. It's Melvin. Took me a second to readjust. But it also turns out that he was a twice convicted sex offender. And both convictions occurred in 2004. One for enticing a minor and the other for attempted forcible sexual abuse. And when Lauren finds this out, I mean, it takes everything up another level, right?

• 17:42Kendall Rae?

  Things were bad before, but now seeing this, she is just devastated, disgusted and scared. So she shares this information with her mom and when she does, both of them agree that she obviously needs to end this relationship with him immediately. And she needs to do it somewhere public for her safety. And so her plan was to do it on October 9th. And on that day, she was back at school, but school had not officially started. So she ends up calling Alex to sort of talk through the breakup plans. And Alex advises her not to do it on campus because it's still pretty empty because break's not over. But Lauren ended up not having a choice because that freak was just hanging outside of her building,

• 18:22Kendall Rae?

  right outside the window. And so she went ahead and let him into the building so that they could talk. And I'm sure a lot of you are wondering why she wouldn't just do this over the phone for her safety, considering everything that he had lied about, how scary of a person he is. But the problem here is he had borrowed her car over a break and she needed to get it back. So it was a very, very tough situation. And yeah, as you can imagine, the breakup conversation did not go well. When Lauren confronted him, he not only denied everything, but he physically prevented her from leaving. Some sources even said that he forced himself on her and I'm not sure exactly what that means, if it was sexual or not. But either way, she was trapped in her place and was scared.

• 19:07Kendall Rae?

  Alex had actually called her and she could tell by the tone of Lauren's voice that something was wrong. But it wasn't until the next day though, that she learned why she was so scared and how that conversation went. And no surprise here, but this manipulative freak tries to cover his own ass. Melvin tells Lauren that he was forced to plead guilty to the Charges and that he was framed, of course. He claimed that he was at a frat party years ago and a girl lied about her age and blah, blah, blah. We've all heard this bullshit story and excuse many times before, right? And in the end of the conversation, Lauren said she felt like the only way she could convince him to let her leave was to tell him that she had track practice and also agreed to let him borrow her car again, which

• 19:52Kendall Rae?

  I'm honestly guessing she did because she's so young, she's terrified and is desperate to get away from him, especially knowing what he's capable of. And I'm also guessing here, but I think in his sick mind, he's thinking, if I can borrow the car again, then she has no choice but to see me again to get her car back. So this gives me an opportunity to keep inserting myself into her life and try to make things work or manipulate her further, scare her, who knows what his intentions are? And unfortunately, they're much worse than any of that. But anyway, after he takes her car on the tent, things only continued to get worse from there. Later that afternoon, Lauren began receiving these text messages from a random number, harassing her for breaking up with Melvin.

• 20:37Kendall Rae?

  One of them read, why did you break up with the big guy? He really loves you. And then another one straight up told her to unalive herself. And then she got a text saying that Melvin was so distraught that he couldn't even face her to drop off her car. So this friend apparently of his would be the one to do it. And knowing how badly things went the night before, Lauren's mom, of course, was super, super worried for her to go and get that car back. She was so worried, in fact, that she called campus police, who is there to help the students, right? And asked for someone to be there while the exchange was happening.

• 21:11Speaker 06

  University of South Carolina Security, open the hatch.

• 21:15Speaker 06

  Hi, um, I would like to request a, um, some help from my daughter. She's a student at University of Utah. Okay, um, what is the situation exactly? What is your name and your gender? Okay, she was dating someone who was not a student. And um, he has her car. Okay. She broke up with him and he's supposed to return it to the um, to the parking lot at the stadium. Uh huh. And I'm worried that he's dangerous. Okay, um, we can definitely have someone to help her out. Can you have your daughter give us a call? Can, can you guys call her? Um, yeah, what's her phone number? Okay, it's... Okay, so let me tell you just a little bit more. Um, so he was lying to her. Okay.

• 22:00Speaker 06

  And he's actually a sexual offender. Okay.

• 22:06Speaker 06

  And, and um, and lied about his age and things like that. Okay. And then he has her, he has her car and he wants her to return, he, one of his friends wants her to return the car to the stadium parking lot at five o'clock. Since it's fall break, a bunch of her friends aren't, aren't there. So I'm worried she's gonna go there alone and someone's gonna hurt her. And what was her name? Yeah, so she's, she's an out of state, she, her name is Lauren McCluskey. She's on the track team, she's an out of state student and she, she started dating this guy there who's like a bad person. Okay. And she found out he's a bad person and she broke up with him and he has her car. Definitely. Let me give her a call real quick and we will figure something out, okay? I don't want her to go there by herself and have like something bad happen to her.

• 22:51Speaker 06

  Definitely. I will give her a call. Um, did you want me to give you a call back or, or?

• 22:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, if you could give me a call back, that'd be good. Okay, what was your name?

• 23:02Speaker 06

  Perfect. It's gonna be okay, Jill. Let me, let me give Lauren a call real quick and figure something out with her, okay? Cause that's, that would be totally easy for us to send someone with her. Um, I wouldn't want her to go in, go into a bad situation by herself. So, let me give her a call real quick. Yeah, no problem, Jill. I will give you a call back in a little bit, okay?

• 23:19Kendall Rae?

  And as promised, they reach out to Lauren.

• 23:24Speaker 06

  Hello? Hi, is this Lauren? Yeah. Hi, this is University Police. I got a call from your mom about, um, I guess a car drop off that you're going to be doing or someone's dropping off your-

• 23:37Kendall Rae?

  Car and she was a little bit worried about it. I was wondering if I can ask you a few questions and then maybe send someone with you or have someone meet you there when you're going to drop off the car.

• 23:49Speaker 06

  Okay, um, well, so, uh, I think the car will be dropped off.

• 23:56Kendall Rae?

  Okay, so, so she said your, your ex-boyfriend's dropping off your car.

• 24:01Speaker 06

  Going with his friend, yeah.

• 24:02Kendall Rae?

  Sorry, he's dropping off where?

• 24:04Speaker 06

  Um, well, at first it was gonna be at the stadium, but, um, she was asking to drop it off at my place, so I might just have it dropped off at one of the buildings in my mind.

• 24:20Kendall Rae?

  Do you live on campus?

• 24:21Speaker 06

  So, yes.

• 24:23Kendall Rae?

  Okay, do you feel comfortable with him doing that? I know your mom was really concerned about it.

• 24:28Speaker 06

  Hmm, yeah, I think, I think it's okay.

• 24:32Kendall Rae?

  Okay, 'cause if it's all right with you, I mean, we're here twenty-four seven. I'm super cool, you could come hang out here and have him drop it off here. We have a parking lot on the east side of our building. It's the police department on campus. We could even have, um, a security officer pick you up at your dorm and drop you off here so you can wait here for him to leave your vehicle. I mean, I don't know how you feel about the situation. I don't wanna misinterpret just based off of what your mom was saying, but she definitely seemed worried about it. So if you wanted to and you felt comfortable, you could come hang out here with us. I mean, it's just a bunch of college kids here, I mean, there's some adults, obviously. We are private police, but, you know, you could come hang out with us when he drops it off. Or, um, I know she wanted someone to be there with you when the car gets dropped off,

• 25:16Kendall Rae?

  which would definitely make me feel more comfortable about that situation. But I don't wanna put you out of your comfort zone. I know that's kind of weird, especially if you haven't dealt with the police before. Just having an officer hang out with you while someone drops off a car can be weird.

• 25:30Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, I think I would just wanna have it dropped off here, but.

• 25:34Kendall Rae?

  Okay.

• 25:35Speaker 06

  I'll call if I need to.

• 25:37Kendall Rae?

  Well, okay, is it all right if I have? A security officer at least in the area when it's getting dropped off in case you need anything.

• 25:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, that sounds good.

• 25:47Kendall Rae?

  Alright, so I will give my security officers just a little bit of heads up in case you need anything. Um, and we'll go from there. If you change your mind last minute or anything like that, we have some really cool security officers. We have some new, um, we have a couple of new cops on campus that are always looking for like extra stuff to do while they're finishing up their training, um, anything like that. You just let me know, Lauren. Um, my name's Jill and I'll be here until 6 P. M. So, if you need anything, just let us know.

• 26:20Speaker 06

  Okay, sounds good.

• 26:22Kendall Rae?

  Sounds good, thanks Lauren.

• 26:23Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 26:24Kendall Rae?

  And after this call, the dispatcher ends up calling Jill back and you can still hear how worried she is.

• 26:32Speaker 06

  Hello?

• 26:33Kendall Rae?

  Hi, is this Jill?

• 26:35Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 26:36Kendall Rae?

  Hey Jill, this is Jill with Campus Police. I'm the person you spoke with before. So I just called off the phone with Lauren. I let her know that we had talked about the situation. I told her I thought it might be easiest if she just come hang out with us here at the police department and he can drop off the car here. Cause that way she's hanging out indoors with us. I mean, it's good lighting. I don't know if she's starting to finish.

• 26:59Speaker 06

  That would be, that would be great. That would be great.

• 27:01Kendall Rae?

  She didn't seem thrilled about that idea. She said she would prefer it be dropped off at her dorm. Um, I offered to send someone up to hang out with her. She said she would just let me know if she needed anything. So I got her dorm number.

• 27:14Speaker 06

  It sounds like she doesn't wanna, she doesn't wanna change the plans that they already made.

• 27:18Kendall Rae?

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  But his friend made some plans, but I'm just, I'm so worried about her that like something's gonna happen to her.

• 27:26Kendall Rae?

  I don't wanna do anything without her permission, but I did let her know, even though I'm not technically assigning someone. I am going to tell the security officers.

• 27:35Speaker 06

  Where she is and what time it's going to be dropped off. And I just told her upfront, I'm, I am going to send someone to walk around that area while it's happening. Yeah, so she's dealing with a bad, she's dealing with a bad person who lied to her. Yeah. And it was hard because she was dating him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I know, I, I know exactly. That's unfortunately a pretty common occurrence on campus, so. Yes. So, thank you and, um, thank you so much that you were looking out for her. Yeah, no problem, Jill. Okay. Give me a call back if you have any questions or need anything else. Sounds good. Okay. I will let my security officers know right now. Okay. Thank you so much. No problem. Thanks, Jill. Bye-bye.

• 28:17Speaker 04

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• 29:44Kendall Rae?

  Now, we don't actually have audio from what happens next, but we know that Lauren and her mom spoke, and that Jill convinced her that she needed to change her mind. So here's Lauren calling the campus police back.

• 29:54Speaker 06

  Hi, so this is Lauren. We talked a while ago. Hi Lauren, yeah, what's up? So there's kind of a change of plans. I'm actually going to the stadium to get my car. Okay. And I was wondering if I could get a ride to the stadium? Is that okay? Definitely, definitely, yeah, for sure. We have a security officer that's just in charge of escorts tonight, so I could have him give you a ride. Do you want him to wait with you as well when the car's getting dropped off? That would be great. Okay, definitely, yeah. I'll just give him a heads up. I'll have him hang tight there. And then if you want to grab the keys or whatever, he'll just wait until you like get into your car and stuff and drive away and just make sure everything's okay, okay? Okay, sounds good. Sounds good, Lauren.

• 30:38Speaker 06

  And then just give us a call back when you're ready to go down there and we'll send him out there to meet you, okay? Okay. Thanks so much. Bye bye.

• 30:45Kendall Rae?

  After this, Jill calls the campus police back to ask if Lauren had called them about her change of mind. And then there was another call after that, which was Lauren calling them to let them know she was ready to be picked up and get taken to the stadium. And from what we know, the exchange went fine. And the dispatcher and Jill even spoke one more time just to kind of close the chapter on that whole saga.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  Hi, this is Jill. I got a message, I got a missed call from you. Yeah, I just wanted to give you a heads up. I just wanted to let you know that we did have our officer pick up Lauren. We had him wait with her while she found the key and then I watched her drive away on the cameras, so. Yeah, so she texted me too that she got the car back. So thank you so much. You guys are so wonderful. I so much appreciate it. No problem. You have a good day, Jill. Yeah, I just want to follow up. Thank you. No problem. Bye.

• 31:36Kendall Rae?

  And it's really heartbreaking to hear the tone change in Jill's voice as she went from scared to hopeful over the course of those calls because things would only end up getting worse. Those harassment texts, once again, it started to. Absolutely flood Lauren's phone and she even started to get some saying that Melvin was dead. One of them read, "Will you come to the funeral?" To which Lauren replied, "I know he's alive, please leave me alone, don't text this number, I got police involved." And she knew that he wasn't dead because he was still active on social media and she also knew that these texts weren't coming from his so-called friends. All these anonymous texts had the same spelling and grammar mistakes that Melvin usually

• 32:20Kendall Rae?

  made, so she knew that he was the dummy behind it. And so, on October 12th, she reaches back out to campus police.

• 32:26Speaker 06

  University Police and Security, how can I help you? Hi, uh, this is Lauren. I called a little, uh, a few days ago about a situation and I wanted to kind of give an update and ask about some things. Well, basically, so... Did you make a report? I was going to get the car. I did not. Okay, so you called a couple of days ago about a situation you wanted a follow-up on? Well, I guess it's kind of a different situation, but it's related in a way. Okay, so you didn't make a report, did you talk to a police officer? Well, so I had, I had a security person, um, drive me to pick up my car. Uh-huh. Because I was, I was worried about getting it.

• 33:11Speaker 06

  Um, but, um, what happened was that, so I got the car and that was fine, but from one of my ex's friends, but, so he and then some other, I've been getting these texts about, from, from these numbers that I, um, of different people saying that, they were saying that he was in the hospital and then saying that like, that he passed away, but then I got a text from him and that he seems to be alive. I got a text about, you know, asking if I wanted to go to a funeral, his funeral, and I think they're trying to lure me somewhere.

• 33:52Speaker 06

  So, you got a bunch of texts seeming like they're trying to get you to go somewhere? Um, first it was just saying... Where did you receive this text at? And when did this happen?

• 34:09Speaker 06

  So, the latest one was today. When did it start? Um, yesterday. At about what time? Was when they were talking, saying that he was at the hospital, um, I think around 7:00 PM. And what time this afternoon was the last one? It was around, around 3:00 PM. 3:00 PM? Okay. And this is all your ex's friends?

• 34:36Speaker 06

  Right. And are these his text messages?

• 34:40Speaker 06

  Yes. Okay, and are they threatening text messages? Most of them, no, but, um, I mean, they've told me not to, not to go where he's at the club where he works, where he used to work. Okay, and is there a protective order between you guys, or is he just an ex of yours? Just an ex. And are you trying to avoid him? Um... Or not necessarily? I would say it's more just his friends. Okay, and have you asked them to stop texting you?

• 35:10Speaker 06

  I have not, but I've, I've blocked a few of the numbers already. Alright, um, I will send a certain officer, uh, to give you a call. He's gonna give you a call on that last phone number that you gave me. Is that okay? Yeah, sounds good. Okay, perfect. I'll have somebody call you shortly. Okay, thanks. Okay, bye.

• 35:28Kendall Rae?

  Now, like you heard, the dispatcher said that they were going to have someone call Lauren back, but nobody ever did. So, the next day, which was the 13th, she called them back. And by that point, things had escalated, because now Melvin was sextorting her. He was texting her, saying that unless she paid him a thousand dollars, he was going to release intimate photos of her.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  You're in Warrage Police and Security, how can I help you? Hi, so I'm, uh, dealing with a situation, um, where I'm being blackmailed for money. Um, it's so, a photo of my, me and my ex, they're, um, threatening to send it out to everyone.

• 36:17Speaker 06

  Um, and, and he's asking for a thousand dollars. And this is over text? Yeah. Alright, where, where did you receive the messages at?

• 36:28Speaker 06

  Well, at first it was an email, um, and then over that app. Okay. Where were you at when you received the messages? Oh. So you're fine? At my apartment. Okay. Okay, just give me one second, okay? I'm just trying to fill out my, um, my paper. Thank you. Hi, are you still there? Yes. Okay. Has this happened before, or has it been happening? Or is this the first time? This is the first time. Okay. Alright. There had been some harassment before.

• 37:02Speaker 06

  So it has happened before? Not, not this particular, um, type of thing. Okay. So you have had involvements with this person? Yeah. Okay. And do you know who this is? Um, so it's Sean Rowland is the one messaging me. What's your relation to him? My ex-boyfriend. Okay. Okay, and how long ago did this happen? This morning. Alright, give me one second, okay? Okay, are you still there? Yeah. Okay, sorry about that wait. Okay, I'm gonna get your information, okay? Can you tell me your first and last name? Lauren McCloskey. Alright, so it looks like I have everything. What's gonna happen is I'm gonna let one of our officers know,

• 37:47Speaker 06

  and he's going to call you. It may come from a blocked number, is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Alright, that should be happening shortly, okay? Okay. Alright, thanks for calling. Thanks. Bye.

• 38:02Kendall Rae?

  And the sad thing is, but also so understandable, is Lauren was so freaked out that he was actually gonna release these photos, that she did end up sending him a thousand dollars. She and Alex also decided it was time to physically go into the campus police station, because extortion is no joke, and they didn't know what to do, they needed help. But sadly, and this is just the beginning of the frustration, but the university police did practically nothing. The girls were introduced to this officer named Miguel Darris, and he took Lauren's statement right there in the lobby. And according to Alex, they were not taken seriously, even though they told Miguel. That this monster was extorting her. Amongst all the other things that he was doing, they were just repeatedly told that it was a scam. Miguel still did write a report, though,

• 38:47Kendall Rae?

  and he let the girls know that someone would call them with an update in just a few days. And the delay was supposedly because the detective this case was going to be assigned to, Kayla Daliff, wasn't in office. But since Lauren was worried for her literal safety, she ended up just calling Salt Lake City Police that day, too. However, they told her that it was the school's jurisdiction, and they rerouted her call back to campus police.

• 39:12Speaker 06

  Okay, so I opened up your call from yesterday. Is that correct? Yes, you did. Okay. All right. What's going on? Well, I came in earlier today, and I filled out a report for the, um... You came into our building? Yes, I did. Okay. I wanted to... I called 911 because I was just concerned, and I wasn't sure if it might help speed things up. I don't know. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Okay. Yeah, if you call 911, the call will just come back to us and do the exact same thing. Okay. Okay, so... Do you know when an arrest would be made?

• 39:55Speaker 06

  Um, you can talk to an officer if you want. I can arrange that if you want that. Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, is that all you're wanting to know? Or did you want to add more on to your report? Um, that's all. Okay. Um, give me one second, okay? Okay. Thank you. Okay, so I got my officer. I believe he's the same one that had took the original report yesterday, so he's going to give you a call, okay? Okay. All right, thanks for calling. Bye.

• 40:26Kendall Rae?

  And in the days following this, Lauren continued to reach out to the campus police. She had exchanged numbers with that officer, Miguel, and they spoke 16 more times. And during those calls, she provided explicit information about who Melvin was and what she knew about his past. She was also constantly updating him on the harassment, hoping that any moment he, or really anyone, would let... her know that Melvin had been arrested. But nothing ever happened because these brainless idiots didn't even look him up. And apparently, they said that at one point, they did look into him. And they told Lauren, he quote, "seemed like a good guy because he only had one traffic ticket on his record." Well, that doesn't sound right, does it?

• 41:11Kendall Rae?

  Hmm, maybe it's because they were looking up the wrong dude. And let me remind you once again that they didn't even really need to look him up because they knew he was a convicted felon. Because Lauren told them that he was. The very first thing that they should have done, what you think the police would do, right? Is look up the right guy. And if they had done that, they would have seen that he was out on parole. That's right. I will 100% be getting more into that later, but for now, Melvin was out on parole. When all of this happened and had one single person looked into this for more than a second. They would have been able to just take his ass back to prison.

• 41:55Kendall Rae?

  Nothing else would have happened, but they didn't, of course. And that's unfortunately why I am here telling her story and why all of her loved ones and family have to live without her. So now, as you can imagine, Lauren is feeling completely defeated and terrified because nobody seems to give a shit. No one seems to care. No one seems to want to do anything about this. No one seems to be taking it seriously at all. And she was even told that the detective taking her case wouldn't be back in town until October 23rd. So she would have to wait longer than she already was. And what's so sad is she ended up telling her mom that she felt like she was bothering the police.

• 42:36Kendall Rae?

  And the fact that she is such a sweet person that that even crossed her mind is heartbreaking. But I can see after being gaslit by them and made to feel like she's making this into a bigger deal than it needs to be. And he seems like a nice guy. I can see how she would end up feeling like that.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 43:27Speaker 06

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat, it's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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• 44:54Kendall Rae?

  And what's also super upsetting is she still was hanging on to some hope that maybe they were going to help her, but they weren't. And his behavior only started to escalate from here. It was later learned that on October 19th, Melvin could be seen lurking outside of Lauren's place, wearing a Deadpool Halloween costume, which when I first saw the video footage of this, the pictures, I just had chills. It is so creepy. I know it was close to Halloween, but the fact that he was wearing this like 12 days or so before Halloween is just so eerie. The cameras pick him up outside of her place only a minute after she went inside and she was totally unaware that he had been following her.

• 45:36Kendall Rae?

  And she also didn't know that he had accessed her email and was reading her communication with the police. And so she was even more freaked out that evening when she got a text saying, "What did you tell the cops? We know everything." And because she doesn't know that he has access to her email, she has no idea how he knows that she has gone to the police. So she decides to call Salt Lake City PD again.

• 46:00Speaker 06

  Hi.

• 46:01Kendall Rae?

  Hi.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  I'm just, I'm worried because I've been working with the campus police at the U. And last Saturday I reported and then, and I haven't gotten an update.

• 46:16Kendall Rae?

  Okay.

• 46:17Speaker 06

  But, but someone contacted me today, someone who was harassed and said that, that they know everything about the police.

• 46:25Kendall Rae?

  Okay. So you already spoke to the campus police? Did some, did this happen on the University of Utah campus?

• 46:33Speaker 06

  Yes, they haven't updated or done anything. So the, the case, it involves extortion and those people are still checking me.

• 46:44Kendall Rae?

  Okay. So have you, have you notified the campus police about this?

• 46:49Speaker 06

  Yes, I have.

• 46:50Kendall Rae?

  Okay. And what prompted you to call Salt Lake City Police?

• 46:54Speaker 06

  Well, I thought it was weird that, that there are people who know about the entire case and the harassers seem to know about it more than me. And I'm concerned there might be an insider who's letting them know. About the case. So with something- Because I haven't gotten updates. Yeah. And it's been a week. With something like that, you would want to contact the campus police back and ask to speak to your detective. Since it's another agency's area, the Salt Lake Police wouldn't be involved. Oh, okay. All right. And then make sure you tell them what you told me, that this is getting through to you from the suspects in your case. So the detective you said is who I should contact?

• 47:36Speaker 06

  Right. Call the dispatch back and then ask to speak to your detective. Okay.

• 47:41Kendall Rae?

  So after this, Lauren gets back on the phone with Officer Miguel, idiot, and tells him that she is concerned that nothing is being done because nothing is being done. And this call must have knocked a little bit of sense into him just to touch because a few minutes after they hang up, she finally gets a call back from Detective Daliff, who asked Lauren to send her everything she had on Melvin, which is just so frustrating because their department already had everything, thanks to Lauren providing it once already. So to make her do it again is just the laziest police work. But Lauren was so desperate to get help, so she sent an email with everything again that evening.

• 48:23Kendall Rae?

  But later that night, Lauren and Alex went downtown to a bar together just so she could, you know, get her mind off of things. And Alex said that when they returned to campus, Lauren turned to her and she said, "One day, when I'm happily married to a nice guy, hopefully we can look back on this and laugh." But that opportunity for her to find happiness in life and get married, and every opportunity she would have in life, was taken from her just a couple days later. Monday, October 22nd, was a lot like the past few days of Lauren's life, and it started with another cryptic text. It was from Melvin, but this time it was him impersonating the campus chief of police.

• 49:04Kendall Rae?

  And the message read, "Good morning, Lauren. This is Deputy Chief McLennan with the University Police. I plan on calling you, but I am in a meeting at the moment. Can you come to the station as soon as pa single?" Notice that typo. "There is something I need for you to see." I will go over the detail when we you get here. Thanks. And of course, the way that this was written like an idiot wrote it was how Lauren knew it came from Melvin and not the chief of police. However, she did end up reaching out to the campus police just to be sure. And they were like, yeah, we didn't send that. Definitely don't reply. Yet even though impersonating an officer is a crime. Surprise, surprise. They still didn't do anything about it. So anyways.

• 49:46Kendall Rae?

  Lauren tries to go about her day as usual. Her mom had encouraged her to go see a counselor. So she goes and does that. And then she also goes to practice that afternoon and then to her night class. Little did she know though. Melvin could be seen on security footage stalking her all day, both on foot and in a borrowed silver Buick. At 10:16 a.m., we can see him walking through the same building that she was in only an hour before. And later he was seen entering her dorm carrying a small black bag. And he was able to get in and out because he had befriended some of the other students who lived there and they would just let him in and out. And one of them even said later on that when he let Melvin in that day, he'd shown him what he had in that bag.

• 50:27Kendall Rae?

  And I'm sure a lot of you probably can already guess what was in that bag. It was a gun. And since he manipulated this student so much, he didn't seem concerned about it when he showed it to him. So Melvin was free to come in and out of the building with a gun. And the last time that he was seen leaving her dorm was at 8:10 p.m. Which happened to be right around the time that Lauren was leaving her class. And as she made her way home, the unthinkable happened. And you guys, I just have to say. Before we even get into this next part, the next part of Lauren's story is truly one of the most disturbing things that I have ever heard. And I've obviously covered a lot of cases. This is.

• 51:13Kendall Rae?

  Um, just, yeah, hard to even put into words how horrible things ended for Lauren. Um, so she was on the way back to her dorm and she decided to give her mom a call. And I'm so happy that she did. And I'm also so happy that this call, for the most part, was a happy call. Um, because she didn't want to dwell on what had been going on. So the conversation was pleasantly uplifting. I guess you could say. She sounded really happy about the quiz that she had just taken and she planned on turning in an assignment online as soon as she got home. And her tone was honestly everything that Jill had missed hearing in her daughter's voice as of lately.

• 51:54Kendall Rae?

  And I'm so happy that she got to hear that tone from Lauren again. And her dad was actually in the next room over, just doing yoga. And obviously he's trying to like get in the zone. So he said that he almost told Jill to turn her speakerphone down. But something in him just paused. He didn't want to interrupt what seemed like a great conversation. Now, as this conversation is coming to an end, Lauren tells her mom, "I love you," just like she always did. And then before they got the chance to hang up, Jill heard her daughter say three words that I'm sure will never leave her memory. And her dad heard them too. They heard, "No, no, no, no, no, no."

• 52:34Kendall Rae?

  And right then and there, just outside of her dorm, almost to safety, Lauren was abducted. And the entire thing was heard by her parents. And I truly can't imagine what it would be like to hear your child in distress like that. No, there's nothing you can do. You're over the phone. And that's the last time that you'll ever hear their voice. That is just so torturous, something that no parent should ever have to experience. And during her struggle, her phone and backpack both fell to the ground. And they're just listening to all of this. And at first, they didn't know what to think. Her dad said that at first, he thought maybe she had been in a car accident. But as they're yelling her name through the phone repeatedly,

• 53:17Kendall Rae?

  they realized that she wasn't there and she had been taken. And of course, because they Knew what was going on, they knew exactly who took her. And Jill said that she instantly had flashbacks to a moment years prior when her son was rushed to the hospital after he suffered from a ruptured brain aneurysm. And he was so close to dying and now she realized that once again, she's in that position and Lauren was too. So they didn't want to hang up the call. So Matt grabbed the landline and he called 911, who then transferred his call to the university police. And during their call, someone actually finds Lauren's backpack and phone just lying there on the ground. Take a listen.

• 53:56Speaker 06

  Hi, my daughter Lauren McCloskey was talking to her mom and then she just started saying, "No, no, no, no, no." And it sounded like someone might have been grabbing her or something. Okay. How long ago was this? This was just two minutes ago. Does she live on campus? Yeah. Okay. What's her name? Lauren McCloskey. And you said the phone line went dead? Yeah, the phone line went dead. Okay, have you tried calling her back? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, the phone is not dead, but we can't, um, she must have dropped it and the phone connection is still here.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  She was blocking from GC 1570. What's your name? My name is Matt McCloskey. All right.

• 54:53Speaker 06

  She had broken up with a boy. Okay. A man, recently. And, um, he's a pretty tall, black guy. Has he made any threats or anything like that?

• 55:06Speaker 06

  Um, her, his friends were kinda harassing her a little bit. Well, they were, the campus police were involved with that. Yes. Okay, I actually, I have an officer right here that dealt with that. Let me talk to him for one second, I'll be right back on with you, okay? I'll still be able to hear you, but you won't be able to hear me. All right, Matt, are you still there? Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 06

  Oh, someone's been talking on her phone. Hello? Hi, I have a backpack, an ID, and a phone. Okay, um, could you just, uh, stay there? Uh, I think she was mugged, um... Is she okay? Has the doctor called the cops? Um, I'm talking to the cops. Okay. You know, but maybe, yeah. Somebody picked her backpack. Someone picked up her phone and backpack. I'm trying to get a good location. Alright, where exactly, where is that backpack at? Can you get a location for me? Yeah. Um, I'm calling the campus police, someone, um... Hi, Matt, are you there? Yeah, I think he's, they're pretty, um...

• 56:09Speaker 06

  Right by her apartment. Yeah, yeah, if she could call us directly, that would be awesome. I'm gonna let you go, and if you hear anything... If you hear anything else, give us a call back, please. Okay.

• 56:19Kendall Rae?

  Then, not long after this call, Matt also called the Salt Lake City Police.

• 56:22Speaker 06

  Hi, um, my name's Matt McCluskey. Uh, my daughter is Lauren McCluskey, and she went missing tonight. And we reported it to the University of Utah Police. She's a student there. Uh-huh. And I'm just make, I just wanna make sure that you guys know about that. Um, so, we wouldn't really need to, other than her being listed, um, she would be listed as a missing person on the national database if you made a missing persons report, but... Okay. Um, otherwise, I mean, there's not else, anything else Salt Lake City can do. So, this is, this is, no, no, okay, so this is more than that. She was abducted while we were talking to her on the telephone. Okay.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  So, so we heard her being assaulted, and they called the, uh, University of Utah Campus Police. And I'm just calling you to let you know that this just happened, like, uh, an hour ago.

• 57:24Speaker 06

  And it's not just she, she went missing. Was it, was it they were in the Buick Glancer? Um, could you please say that again? Was it that they were in that silver Buick Glancer?

• 57:35Speaker 06

  Uh, I don't know anything about a silver Buick. Okay, yeah, university let us know about it. We had our units, um, we notified them as well. Okay. Okay? Thank you. Uh huh.

• 57:48Kendall Rae?

  And I'll be so honest, that operator pissed me the fuck off, and I know you guys agree with me. That man's daughter was just abducted while he was on the phone with her. He hears the whole thing, and he showed no sympathy whatsoever. Why would you even get into that position, that, um, occupation? Why would you dedicate your life to helping people, to being a dispatcher? You just don't give a damn. It blows me away, and as far as I'm concerned, every single person involved in this case in the position of law enforcement should be absolutely ashamed of themselves, other than the person, the first operator that helped Jill and Lauren during the whole car exchange.

• 58:31Kendall Rae?

  Everyone else, though, prime examples of terrible law enforcement and how not to handle a case. The exact opposite of what anyone would want or expect. Anyways, while all of this is going on, Matt and Jill are hanging on to hope that at any moment they're gonna get a call saying that Lauren was found and that she's safe and that she's alive. And while they did get a call later that night, it was too late to save her. Lauren's body was found in that silver Buick in a campus parking lot with seven gunshot wounds. Her parents received the call at 9:55 PM, and it was Lauren's coach who broke the news. And Matt says that that moment was like being hit with a baseball bat.

• 59:14Kendall Rae?

  The footage has thankfully never been released in full, but investigators say that they were able to obtain footage of Melvin lying in wait for Lauren, proving that he was the one who was responsible, which was very obvious right away, um, clearly. But the important thing now was to find him. And by this point, campus and citywide alerts had been issued, and there were several hours where nobody knew where he was. Or I guess I shouldn't say nobody, because surveillance video shows that after killing Lauren, Melvin left the parking lot and headed towards a light rail station on campus. And from there, he can be seen getting picked up in a Hyundai Sonata. And get this,

• 59:54Kendall Rae?

  it turns out that his getaway driver was actually a woman he met on a dating app, which is very on par for Melvin. And how he operates. And just to be very, very clear, this woman had no idea that he just killed someone. He had actually previously messaged her, seeing if she wanted to meet up that night, and he had timed it with when he was going to be fleeing the scene. So after she picks him up, the two of them head back to her place for a little bit, and he showers while he was there, trying to get all the evidence off, clearly. And he eventually asked her to drop him off at this coffee shop. And it was only then that she realized what happened and who this guy was.

• 1:00:37Kendall Rae?

  And she actually drove right to the police station that night. And she told them that he told her his name was Apollo, which is also very on brand for Melvin. And she also said that her phone was blowing up from all these alerts. And every time she tried to look at them, he acted super weird. And I'm so glad that she was able to figure out who he was, and that she came forward with that information, that she went to get help and explained to the police what she had just experienced as soon as she could versus, you know, I feel like some people would want to go home and not want to get involved any further. But she did the right thing. And because of that, police were able to get a better idea of where he was. But unfortunately, they still were not

• 1:01:19Kendall Rae?

  able to get to him in time, because around 1am, after spotting Melvin and briefly chasing him, he ran into a nearby church and shot himself before they can make an arrest. Now, obviously, I will be touching more on Melvin later on. But for now, I just want to talk about Lauren. And as you can imagine, her death, her murder just absolutely devastated her loved ones. And the whole community, really, they were just shocked. I mean, that's really putting it lightly. People could not believe this happened to her in the way that it did. The University of Utah actually shut down classes the following day, as they should, to give students a chance to

• 1:01:58Kendall Rae?

  process and mourn. And everyone collectively grieved. What a monumental loss this was. Then on October 24, friends, family and students gathered together to honor Lauren's legacy and her memory. And there were Hundreds of people there to show their support and in the photos you can really see in their faces how distraught and broken everyone felt. Lauren was really a fixture of her community and without her, nobody would be the same. I'm not sure if I can put them in this episode. I'm pretty sure they're copyrighted, but I saw clips from the service of her friends speaking,

• 1:02:35Kendall Rae?

  her teammates speaking, and it is hard to even describe the emotions that they were clearly experiencing, the shock that they were going through, the pain. And you can just see how much she truly meant to them and how loved she was by so many people. And then I also wanted to point out, I saw an interview with her friend Diamond, who broke down in tears, saying how much she hated herself for not doing more. If you remember, she was the RA who alerted her bosses when she found out that Melvin was gonna get Lauren a gun. So to now learn that he killed her with that very gun, Diamond felt this immense feeling of guilt.

• 1:03:18Kendall Rae?

  And I totally get how she would feel that way. If I were in her position, I'd probably feel that way too. I think it's only natural when you really care about someone to have those types of thoughts, but I know for a fact that nobody blames her and this is in no way her fault. I don't know if she'll ever see this or if that really carries any weight for her, but I just hope that she's able to, maybe since she's done that interview, has worked through that and has realized that none of this was her fault. She never was even in a position where she could have done anything more than what she did. Even trying to bring this information to her superiors was the best thing that she possibly could have done. And some people wouldn't have even have done that.

• 1:04:01Kendall Rae?

  Melvin, at the end of the day, was the one who did this. And none of her loved ones, none of her friends or family had the power to stop him. That being said though, law enforcement definitely did have the power to stop him many times, many opportunities, and they just didn't. So if anyone should feel responsibility here, since we can't hold Melvin accountable. It's them. It's law enforcement. And the nerve of this department, you guys, okay? Listen to this. In a press conference shortly after what happened, Police Chief Dale Brophy made it seem as though his department had taken the, quote, "appropriate steps" after Lauren first reported Melvin to them on the 12th. So we did have a case that was a police report filed

• 1:04:46Kendall Rae?

  on October 12th and the 13th. There was some follow-up. It was assigned out to a detective. The detective had been in contact with Ms. McCluskey, and they were working to build a case against our suspect at that time. Appropriate steps? Really? You guys didn't take any steps at all? I mean, had you actually been building a case against this guy, I don't think I'd be telling you Lauren's story today. Your department, had you taken the appropriate steps, would have seen that this guy was out on parole and would have been able to lock his ass up and fix this problem pretty quickly. And at first, the public, of course, doesn't know all this, but as the days, weeks, and months started to pass,

• 1:05:29Kendall Rae?

  a ton of information came to light that made people realize the things I have been telling you guys this whole time, which is that the university police suck, that they did absolutely nothing. I mean, I don't know if I can really drive it home enough, but the fact that nobody looked him up and nobody clocked that he was on parole as a sex offender is a failure that is so big, I'm not sure I even have words to describe it. And I know I'm repeating myself a lot in this episode, but what's worse about all of that is they knew that he was a convicted felon because Lauren told them. She did their jobs for them. She made it easy for them. And still, they did nothing. Absolutely nothing.

• 1:06:13Kendall Rae?

  And for whatever reason, which I will never understand, they acted with zero urgency, zero concern for her safety. And, boy, was everyone in the community super pissed when they all realized this. And this wasn't shocking when I first found out, but turns out, multiple people Actually came forward multiple women saying that Melvin had conned them too, which just goes to show you how big of a threat this lunatic actually was. And because the failures here were so blatant, two independent investigations ended up being commissioned. One by the State Department of Public Safety, which focused on his history with the criminal justice system. And the other was an independent review that the school requested to look into their internal failures.

• 1:06:58Kendall Rae?

  So let's get into Melvin's criminal history here for a second because it's horrible. Earlier I shared that he had two convictions, one for enticing a minor and the other for attempted forcible sexual abuse, both which happened in September of 2003. And back then, Melvin had been on the radar of authorities and he ended up being caught in a sting operation by the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, or ICAC. He was found to have been messaging a 13-year-old girl, trying to get her to meet up with him. And when he arrived to what he thought was a meet up with this 13-year-old girl, law enforcement was there to arrest him. And during their investigation, they also learned that two days prior to that incident, he raped a 17-year-old girl in her home.

• 1:07:43Kendall Rae?

  So in March of 2004, he pleaded guilty to those charges and received a sentence of one to 15 years. There was also another woman who later came forward and said that he raped her, and one more who had a restraining order against him. And at the time, he was living in Salt Lake City and had very briefly been enrolled as a student at the University of Utah. Now, I could go into his whole childhood, his whole background history and whatnot, but I really don't want to waste that much breath on Melvin. He's such a disgusting human and it's, you know, at the end of the day, it just feels like, what's the point in talking about this guy any more than we have to? But anyway, eight years into his sentence in July of 2012, he was granted parole for the first time.

• 1:08:26Kendall Rae?

  And he was actually up for it earlier than that in 2010, but he wasn't granted it because he had failed to make progress in an offender program that he had to be enrolled in. Though this time in 2012, it was granted and we actually have some audio from it. Now, I'm going to play. Some of this audio, a condensed clip, where you can hear the judge talk about his absolutely vile behavior. And you'll even hear Melvin say some disgusting things about the sheer number of women that he claims he victimized. And I believe it.

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• 1:10:36Speaker 05

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• 1:10:37Speaker 02

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• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  Alright, let's go on the record. This is the time and place set for a rehearing on Melvin Rowland. I've been asked to conduct today's hearing. I'm gonna be taking testimony from you, so I need to swear again if you'd raise your right hand. You swear and affirm the testimony you're about to give as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:10:54Speaker 05

  Alright. We went over the cases when we met the first time. There was no dispute over what happened. You admitted to me that you'd actually raped this young girl that you'd met on the internet. You went to her home and raped her, and you was arrested on the second case after you hooked up with what you thought was a 13-year-old virgin, and it turned out to be a carload of cops when you got to the school to pick her up. We conducted that hearing in May 25, 2010, and it was noted that you'd been removed from the sex offender program for failing to make progress. Therapists at that time indicated that you'd manipulate and lie in treatment and maintain an aggressive stance, said that you seemed to lose sight over the fact that you'd raped

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  a 17-year-old girl in her own home. Testing conducted had you listed as a high-risk to reoffend. As a result, the board set you for another rehearing with a sex offender memo. State you probably have a problem with pornography, masturbation, criminal thinking errors, and all of those things combined led you to sexually abuse your victims. But they didn't tell me how many victims you have, so I'd like you to give me kind of an idea of what we're looking at victim-wise.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Is that including the women I dated in college, or just...

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  Women that you felt you took advantage of.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  I would say every female that I came across dating or met on internet. I'd say every woman I've met or that I came across that I used my manipulation tactics to get what I wanted.

• 1:12:27Speaker 05

  How many did you out-and-out rape, like the one young lady?

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  Like Rachel?

• 1:12:32Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  Well, not like that, but me being a womanizer, you know, I use other tactics to...

• 1:12:39Speaker 06

  I get what I wanted with them. I'd say some, some of the rates, I'd say, uh, two. Two others? But I see in a general, just how I manipulated and used women in general. And how many, how many women in general did you convince to have sex with you by manipulation? Did I come across with and I had sex with? I got locked up at twenty-two in my sexual experience. I'd say about fifty. Okay.

• 1:13:02Kendall Rae?

  His voice literally makes me sick to my stomach, little on the things that he was saying. And I don't know how anyone looked at this man and listened to him say this and thought, yep, parole's a great idea. Let's let him go. But that's exactly what they did, unfortunately. So he was released in July of twenty twelve. And then three months later, he ended up being rearrested because it was found that he had links to porn on his phone, which went against the conditions of his release. However, of course, they released him again in twenty thirteen. And that time, he lasted about two and a half years out of prison before being sent back in for four parole violations. This time, he was in for two more years and then somehow he was granted parole again in April of two thousand eighteen.

• 1:13:46Kendall Rae?

  And as we know, just a few months later was when he first met Lauren. And here's where a lot of people get even angrier, though. Between the time that he was released and when he met Lauren, his parole officer caught him using a dating app and he also tested positive for marijuana, both of which were not allowed. And yet, when she discovered these things, she only gave him a verbal warning. Now, she believes that she acted appropriately in her response and the parole board have said that they agree with how she handled it. But of course, in hindsight, had he been taken back to prison for those violations, he never even would have met Lauren. So yeah, it is just infuriating to think about. You could truly go crazy trying to wrap your mind around that.

• 1:14:31Kendall Rae?

  But yeah, I guess that sort of wraps up Melvin's history. We don't have to talk about him that much. I do have to get into the second review, but first I want to talk about the gun. So that gun that was used to take Lauren's life, that she was shot with seven times, was actually traced back to a fellow bouncer who worked with Melvin, a guy named Nathan Vogel. It turns out that a week after he and Lauren met, he asked this guy Nate if he would help him get a gun so he could teach his girlfriend, quote, "how to shoot." And Nate agrees to do it for 400 bucks, but he needed a friend's help in buying the gun because with his military background, there would have been a waiting period for him to be approved. So this girl Sarah and him can be seen buying the gun

• 1:15:15Kendall Rae?

  together. Mind you, this was illegal because they were buying it under false pretenses, of course. However, they both got off with only three years probation after pleading guilty to making a false statement during the acquisition of a firearm. And as you'll see with this case, there's a common thread of people not really being given any consequences for what they have done, which brings me to that second independent review. Now, this review was commissioned by the school, and I'd be here all day if I went through it piece by piece. But to summarize it, it basically said there were problems both systemically and individually that resulted in Lauren's death. However, a lot of people, including myself, feel that it was very lenient

• 1:15:59Kendall Rae?

  on the school's wrongdoing. In fact, in a December hearing where the university's president, Ruth Watkins, gave a speech about its findings, she said that it, quote, "didn't offer any reason to believe this tragedy could have been prevented," which is, I think, the biggest slap in the face she possibly could have given Lauren's parents. And really, to anyone who knows anything about this case, if you know all the details of this case and you're told that this couldn't have been prevented, does she think people are stupid? Does she think Lauren's parents are stupid? That is so unbelievably offensive that I can't believe she even had the nerve to utter those words out of her stupid mouth. How can you stand there and say this- This couldn't have been prevented.

• 1:16:44Kendall Rae?

  Are we hearing about the same case here? Are we hearing the same details? This case, literally at every single turn, could have been prevented if even just one person did their job correctly. That would have been nice, right? This statement is an obvious and pathetic attempt at distancing the university from fault. And it was a horrible, weak attempt, if you ask me. I don't know what she thought she was doing here. I mean, sure, Melvin, of course, did most of the wrong here, but the university, 1,000%, has to take responsibility too. That being said, though, the review did provide 30 recommendations for improving policies and whatnot around campus

• 1:17:28Kendall Rae?

  to prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future. And I'll be sure to link that report and the recommendations in the show notes of this episode. And I will say, most of these recommendations have since been implemented, which is great. I mean, for example, a victim advocate was hired for the university, and a bunch of new training and safety protocols have been established. And then another thing they did was they actually consolidated night classes. So not only are their night classes now centralized to the same part of campus, which prevents students from walking alone, but these areas are now more heavily patrolled. And again, these are just a few of the changes that have been made. There was also another interesting article from the Salt Lake Tribune about some of the other changes, and I'll link that for you guys to check out as well. And as happy as I am that these changes have been made,

• 1:18:13Kendall Rae?

  as great as it is that these changes have been made for the safety of all future students, it doesn't change what happened to Lauren. Lauren is still gone. And I just don't think I will truly ever get over the fact that no one looked into Melvin. It would have been so easy to do. And to make matters even worse, if that's even possible, that officer, Miguel, my god, I'm gonna get so mad at this part. He said he wasn't worried for Lauren's safety because she never told him she was afraid, and she also never mentioned domestic violence. Which I don't really think I need to point out why that is so offensive to say, why that makes absolutely no fucking sense. I mean, she li- legitimately told him that he lied to her about being a sex offender, lied to her about his name and age,

• 1:18:58Kendall Rae?

  and also lied to her about the fact that he had a history of sex crimes. In what world does that not make him a threat to her safety? It's pretty obvious, dude. Like, what are you trying to say here? Now, he has since apologized for not doing more, but in an interview I saw where he was giving that apology, he also defended his actions, so I don't think his apology means shit. At least it doesn't mean shit to me. Um, when he was asked why no one at the station actually went to interview Melvin about the blackmail, Miguel said that they weren't sure if it was even him doing it, despite the fact that Lauren told them that Melvin was behind it on October 13th. That's the same day she gave a written statement where she literally wrote down that his phone number appeared in one of the messages asking for a thousand dollars.

• 1:19:42Kendall Rae?

  And apparently after she sent him the first thousand dollars, he asked for a second thousand dollars. Yet, he tried to say that they weren't sure. Make it make sense. And Miguel also tried to pass blame on to other people, saying that all he was trained to do was pass information on to the detectives and that he wasn't trained on how to look into someone's parole status. Absolutely pathetic, and even if that were true, ask someone to do it for you, fucking moron? And that's not even the worst of it. There is a reason that I am going this hard on him. It gets worse with Miguel, and this is... Oh my god, if you're not pissed off already, get ready to be, because this Miguel guy was found to have been sharing Lauren's private photos,

• 1:20:25Kendall Rae?

  the ones she brought into the station that Melvin was extorting her with, with other people. That's right, this clown Miguel was literally looking at her private photos all he wanted to and sharing them with his sick little friends. I'm not even kidding. This really happened. She sent him these photos in confidence because he's a police officer and she trusted that they were in safekeeping. But no. An internal investigation found that after he forwarded them to Detective Dallif, he also privately shared them with other officers. And maybe you're someone who's thinking, hmm, he probably did this for investigative reasons. There's gotta be a reason for it. He wasn't just enjoying them. No, no. He was straight up bragging to other officers that he had her private photos

• 1:21:07Kendall Rae?

  and that he could look at them anytime he wanted. He was quite literally revictimizing the victim, and he faced no consequences for this. Are we shocked? No.

• 1:21:19Kendall Rae?

  Are we disgusted? Absolutely. And this is so disgusting, but her parents wanted him to be held accountable, wanted him to be prosecuted, of course, but they were told that since Lauren was dead, she didn't experience any harm from it. So they couldn't do anything. And of course, he denies that it ever happened, which I do not believe this man at all. I 100% think that he did exactly what I just explained. And yeah, him denying it is on track with everything else that he has said previously that we're able to prove that he's lying about. And I'm sure you will not be shocked at all to hear that punishments for other people in the department were also lacking. University President Ruth Watkins didn't fire anyone directly as related

• 1:22:04Kendall Rae?

  to this case, but over time, a lot of the people involved ended up resigning, including Deputy Chief Rick McLennan, Police Chief Dale Brophy, Officer Miguel Deras, and later down the line, Ruth Watkins herself resigned as well, as they should. And because there didn't seem to be any consequences for anyone involved, especially right off the bat, Lauren's parents decided to sue the university for $56 million. That lawsuit was announced in June of 2019, but of course, it was never about the money for them. It was about reclaiming power in a time where they felt powerless. And I for one, am so, so glad they did this. And really, their ultimate goal was to set off a chain reaction to improve campus safety, not only at the University of Utah,

• 1:22:47Kendall Rae?

  but nationwide. They believed that a lawsuit of that size would force insurance companies to push universities to reform, to avoid having to make big payouts like they had to do in this case. Now, unfortunately, they didn't win the full 56 million, which was a long shot anyway, but two years after her murder, Ruth Watkins announced that they would settle for $10.5 million, which is still massive. And Ruth also finally admitted that they regretted how they first handled the case, which I'm sure really just came from all the backlash that she got from her original stupid statement, not to mention the fact that tons of students came forward in the aftermath of all of this to say that the university mishandled their own reports of feeling unsafe as well. And what's crazy to think about is- They likely would have never had to pay out that much money if they had just

• 1:23:32Kendall Rae?

  taken responsibility for their failures in the first place. But after the lawsuit was settled, Matt asked if anything would have been different if the university admitted fault. And he said, quote, "The school would have saved a lot of money, but they didn't do that and therefore they had to pay." Now, they actually pledged 100% of that money to the Lauren McCluskey Foundation because they are awesome. Plus, the university also pledged another $3 million, which brought the total to $13.5 million. That's right, guys. As I mentioned in the beginning of the episode, they did create a foundation in Lauren's honor, which is just so awesome to see. And I'm excited to tell you more about it because the work they're doing is fantastic. So the Lauren McCluskey Foundation has three big pillars.

• 1:24:17Kendall Rae?

  Improving campus safety nationwide, animal welfare, and amateur athletics. Of course, two of those things played a very important role in Lauren's life. So it only made sense that they were included in the focal point of the foundation. And then improving campus safety was a super big part of their mission. One of their goals is to transform campus safety nationwide by promoting awareness, research, and resources to effectively respond to dating violence and stalking. And part of how they're accomplishing this is through Lauren's promise. This was Jill's idea, and it's a campaign centered around a single promise, which is, quote, "I will listen and believe you if someone is threatening you." And to take part in this campaign, hundreds of schools and teachers around the country are pledging to put this promise on their syllabus.

• 1:25:01Kendall Rae?

  That way, if a student sees it, they know they are in the presence of a trusted adult. This promise is about believing survivors and making sure they not only feel heard and seen, but also supported in taking action against their abuser. And Jill said that this idea came to her because, as a professor herself, she wanted her students to feel like they had someone they could go to if they were being stalked or abused. And by having it right on her class syllabus, her students are able to know that she is someone who will advocate for them on their behalf. Also, Lauren's promise is not exclusive to teachers, and any of us can make that promise. Right now, you can vow and choose to be someone who believes. Leaves victims and I know a lot of you guys already do that,

• 1:25:42Kendall Rae?

  but it never hurts to remind you. And I just love the idea of having this right on the classroom syllabus in the beginning of this school year or the semester, whatever it is, because it's often high school and college age students who are the victims of dating violence and stalking and harassment. So to have this right out the gate, to know that you are with someone safe as soon as you begin your education journey with that person, that's amazing. And I'm surprised we've not thought to do something like this sooner. And part of why I wanted to cover this case was to spread more awareness about this campaign, because it's really easy for anyone to get involved. I'll go ahead and put the link in the description box or show notes of this episode, uh, which you can fill out to learn more about Lauren's promise

• 1:26:26Kendall Rae?

  and how you can improve safety on your campus. I know that I have a lot of students and teachers of all different ages who listen to my show and I really think this is something that you should consider bringing to your school if it's not implemented already. And they've already made such a huge impact. There are already a few hundred schools who have already implemented this, but how cool would it be if for this show, we could help them implement it even further? And then another huge way that the McCluskey's are hoping to improve school safety nationwide has to do with their campus safety initiative. The foundation is currently working with more than 5,000 schools to honor Lauren's legacy by bringing awareness to, funding research for, and providing resources to change the culture that responds poorly to dating violence and stalking on their campuses.

• 1:27:11Kendall Rae?

  They have a variety of programs and objectives, one of which is Lauren's promise. But there's another one that I wanted to share with you. It's called the Campus Safety Score, and it makes so much sense. It's still in the development phase for now, but essentially, schools who partner with the foundation will receive a score. This will be based on things like procedures, training, resources, and their history of responses to campus safety threats. And this score will better inform students and parents what safety looks like on different campuses while they're deciding which college they want to go to. Now, this isn't an entirely new concept on its own. There are others similar to this, but this project is unique. In that it's really incentivizing schools to adopt changes to improve their student safety practices.

• 1:27:53Kendall Rae?

  They plan to provide these schools with actionable ways to improve their safety protocols, therefore increasing their score and encouraging students to attend. Institutional change is at the heart of this mission and I am so eager to see this project come to life. It's really so cool. I'll have all the information to learn more linked below for you guys. And then as for the other two pillars of the foundation, I just love what they're doing. I had to share. Animal welfare is one of them and that's because Lauren spent so much time volunteering with her local shelter. So they created the Lauren McCluskey Catwing at their county humane society in Pullman. And then the other pillar is amateur athletics. So in their honor, they have established a scholarship that will support future collegiate athletes such as herself.

• 1:28:33Kendall Rae?

  And then plus, since she spent so many years practicing track and field on the University of Idaho's campus growing up, her parents also donated funds to have their track resurfaced and named after Lauren. Now the Lauren McCluskey track can be used and enjoyed by other aspiring track athletes. And truly guys, this doesn't even begin to cover it all. They have gone on to do so many amazing things with their foundation. It's so inspiring to see. They have raised awareness on so many different things. They promote safety all across the country and their impact just can't be understated. That's why I'm so excited to support their foundation. I will be making a donation on behalf of this channel. And if you're interested in making one too, I think it's a great cause and I will have it linked below. I'm just so in awe of all they've been able to do.

• 1:29:18Kendall Rae?

  In the wake of a tragedy like this, to be so selfless and to honor your loved one in this way is just incredible. I don't know if I could do the same if I went through what they did. And you know, I hope when I congratulate and praise families who have been able to do that, that it's not downplaying the way that I feel about victims. Families who haven't been able to do it because they're completely traumatized and a lot of them don't have the resources that their family did. So I just wanted to point out that I'm aware that not everyone is able to do that. I'm very thankful that they were in a position to and feeling mentally well enough

• 1:30:02Kendall Rae?

  to take on something like this for the benefit of so many people. So many people who are just like Lauren and could, I mean, they really could save so many lives. And it's just. It's really, really inspiring. Now Lauren's murder has really sparked some amazing change, but at the end of the day, it should have never happened to begin with. The people who should have listened to her and should have believed her, didn't. And unfortunately, nothing can ever change that. And despite the University of Utah making some changes, unfortunately, they still have a long way to go. In fact, in February of 2022, another student, Zai Fan Dong, was murdered by her ex-boyfriend. And the school came out and admitted that they had shortcomings when it

• 1:30:47Kendall Rae?

  came to their response to the situation. And this also resulted in a multimillion dollar settlement, which goes to show that more work needs to be done at this university. And honestly, so many others across the United States and the world. These are not isolated events. And unless all of our schools start taking safety more seriously, I'm worried that it will keep happening. In fact, I know it will. And also going off of Lauren's promise, I also think that individuals not only have the obligation to listen and believe victims, but we also have the obligation to report a crime when we hear about it. After the lawsuits were settled, some reporters continued to look into the case and they found out that a few people who worked with Melvin at General

• 1:31:32Kendall Rae?

  Dynamics knew what was going on, and they didn't say anything. Two days before the murder, Melvin told two colleagues, including a supervisor, that he had been blackmailing her. And one of those people even let Melvin use their Venmo account to collect that $1,000 so it couldn't be traced back to him. And one later told police that Melvin was fixated on how much time he would face if he was caught, and that he was considering resigning from his job. Yet, nobody did anything to report him. And his parole officer, which I don't know, take this with a grain of salt, I guess, but she claims that had she known about the blackmail, she would have taken him back to prison. But I think this serves as a reminder that if someone tells you they're

• 1:32:14Kendall Rae?

  doing something illegal that could really harm another person, you need to tell authorities, you need to tell somebody because, I mean, of course, you want to keep yourself Self-safe, but you have to think about the impact it could have on someone's life. Now, I know this has been a very long episode, so I am going to wrap it up. But I do think it was a very important episode and there's so many important topics that we have gone over today that need to be talked about more. And I want to leave you with something that her father said, which is a request that he and Jill have made. They want people to, quote, "Remember Lauren Jennifer McCloskey. Remember how she lived, remember how she died, and through your actions, honor her memory."

• 1:32:58Kendall Rae?

  And I'm going to leave this episode there.

• 1:33:05Kendall Rae?

  That is going to be it for me today, guys. Thank you for joining me for another episode. And make sure you follow the show on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. It really does help me out. If you want to watch the video version of this show, you can find it on my YouTube channel, which will be linked, or you can just search Kendall Rae. I will be back with another episode soon, but until then, stay safe out there.

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