WTF are we Actually Doing in Venezuela? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this episode, Dee and Mick Mulroy discuss the ongoing crisis in Venezuela, focusing on the implications of U. S. sanctions on the Maduro regime and the potential for military intervention. They highlight the role of Maria Karenna Machado as a legitimate leader and the risks of a power vacuum if Maduro were to leave. The conversation also touches on the strategic military presence of the U. S. in the Caribbean, the need for Europe to bolster its military independence, and the complexities of U. S.-China relations, particularly regarding technology transfers. The episode concludes with a discussion on the future of U. S.-Canada relations and the importance of Arctic strategy. GhostBed⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 25% off! Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Venezuela's Oil Crisis and Sanctions 05:06 The Role of Maria Karenna Machado 09:53 Military Options and Risks in Venezuela 15:02 Power Vacuum Concerns Post-Maduro 20:06 U. S. Military Strategy and European Relations 29:57 Ukraine's Industrial Needs and European Support 33:03 The Need for a Unified European Military Strategy 35:55 Energy Independence and Strategic Partnerships 39:59 The Implications of U. S.-China Tech Relations 47:01 Future Military Actions and Strategic Decisions Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I have Mick Mulroy here today. Might be joined by Andy Milburn soon. Lot going on as usual. Bit of a holding pattern. There's some stuff popping off with Venezuela. We've been boarding tankers and stuff. I'm assuming, and me and Mick were talking about this before, like probably trying to choke off the Maduro regime of any revenue and stuff like that. Mick, what are you tracking this week? I know you have a good eye on it.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  Yes, I usually just go with whatever I last talked about on ABC, which the big topic, of course, was Venezuela. Starting with what looks like a new campaign to seize oil tankers. So, there's many tankers around the world that are sanctioned, right? Because they are involved in trying to skirt around the sanctions imposed on countries like Iran, right? So legally, that provides, at least for the US legal system, some support for being able to seize or stop.

• 2:16Speaker 03

  They obviously want to cut the Maduro regime off from funding. We were talking about it for the podcast. You've got two ways you stay in power as a, basically as a dictator. Group violence, which he uses, and paying people.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  If you can't pay people, and oftentimes people are tyrants are surrounded by tyrants. If you can't pay them, they'll turn on your heartbeat. They'll just, because you know, you no longer benefit to them. And all these people below Maduro likely benefit from the regime's corruption, which is selling drugs, selling oil. They have the largest oil reserves in the, in the world. They actually have more oil than Saudi Arabia. I was told fourteen trillion dollars in proven oil reserves. And yet they have a horrible government, horrible economy,

• 3:17Speaker 03

  and people leaving by the millions, which, which tells you how corrupt the regime is. But they make money, right? It's always, no matter how much you do to put sanctions on a country, that the people in power always end up still making a lot of money. So what they're trying to do is cut that off, which is pretty smart. If you want to get him to leave without having to force him militarily out.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  You, if this is not just a one-off, it could be a campaign. So we're tracking these vessels. I saw at least one figure that there's forty-six of them

• 3:54Speaker 03

  that we're tracking that would be used to. And in Venezuela, they have an issue with their oil. They actually have to use some kind of chemical to get it. So it's so heavy, they can't pump it out of the ground. So you have, they have to get that chemical in, put it in the ground, get the oil out, and then obviously get the oil around the world to make money. So if they can't do that, if they start stopping the ships that are bringing this digluten, I don't know the name of it, but in, or, or coming out,

• 4:27Speaker 03

  that could force a change at the top.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  Right? No more money. And there's reports, media reports, that is, that Maduro is in discussions to leave the country. I've seen several countries listed as potentials. Belarus is the last one I saw. I don't know if it's true.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  But then according to media folks that asked me these questions that often have more information that's than is public. It does seem to be a question about how many people he can take with him.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Right, yeah. There was some talk a couple of weeks ago, right, about he was he was negotiating to try and take out like a hundred or so people, put in his vice president until elections were done. Um, and uh, we said no bueno on that. I mean,

• 5:17Speaker 02

  and he wanted immunity, I guess, too.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, he wants immunity. He doesn't want to be prosecuted and um, I mean, it would be good if he left the country for the country.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Uh, this guy is illegitimate. He's not the president. He's he's he is he withheld, or he held power uh, simply for power's sake, and he is ruining the country and destabilizing the region, which is our hemisphere. So it's a good thing if he would leave. Uh, so and he's obviously gonna want amnesty, as you'd expect. Uh, so if that's necessary, hopefully we can do it. We can avoid any kind of violent uh, overthrow. Uh, well, especially with our folks. The other big thing that happened this uh, week is Machado, uh, Maria Corina Machado,

• 6:13Speaker 03

  you know, so the Nobel Prize Peace Rec- uh, Peace recipient and would have been the president uh, if the election was honest and held, and she was allowed to run in it, um, was gotten out of the country. And uh, that was awesome. Uh, it's almost like uh, made for TV uh, movie. Uh, what I was told, and I don't know this, or I wouldn't be talking about it, is that she has basically, and I was told this by a journalist who's, uh, I think probably already published it, has been held in the country and protected by um, our intelligence agencies, specifically, you know.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  The best intelligence.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  CIA.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Again, I don't know this because I don't, I don't collect information. Um. Analyst, not a journalist, but a journalist told me that she was kept there and that this was uh, in, in this private group or veteran group, God Blossom, uh, uh, carried it out. So, but to keep her alive in, in Venezuela and then get her out, get her, uh, which is in Norway, right? Um, Oslo, um, too bad if she wasn't there to get the prize, but it was, I thought just awesome. I watched the whole thing with her daughter, which was just super emotional and she's, she's the antithesis of, uh, Maduro.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Right? So in, so that was awesome. And I believe she is willing to be the vice president. So that he turns it over to her.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  I see.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  And then, and then they would have, you know, elections, real elections and people would decide. And I believe they would decide smartly and choose her. Um, because the country could be really exceptional. I mean, look at the resources they have and it could benefit the whole region.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  And, you know, us included, US.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  US of A.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  I'm all, I'm all good with that as long as we don't fucking invade. I'm okay with it.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  There is the level, and I was trying to look up because me and Eric.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  We're kind of geeking out on this one shark on how much is in there.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Uh, in the Caribbean. Like, uh, like, uh, power, uh, you know, US naval power and military.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's intense.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a lot. It's kind of crazy.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  It is crazy and they're pulling more assets from the Indo-Pacific and CENTCOM right now.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's nuts.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  Wasn't enough. I mean, no, I'll send you this. I'll read it all, but it's, it is incredible that this is, uh.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I could definitely put this up. I could, yeah, I could put it up on like as we're, uh, uh, in the edit.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, the last number I think was like 25% of the Navy, which is like insane to me.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  I just sent it to you. Take a gander at that, that chart.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  And this is, and this isn't even done, like according to the Pentagon reporters, I know they're moving assets.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  From other, other geographic commands that are more than this. So it, it does, it's either one of two things. Or maybe it's a merge. They're scaring the Jesus out of, they're trying to thinking that this is, this is going to be an all out invasion. And he's going to end up like Saddam Hussein, you know, at the end of a rope.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  So he leaves.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Or this is the actual buildup for an invasion. I, I don't see that happening. I think if there's any land action, I guess is the term the president's using, it's probably going to be airstrikes, right?

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  We can dominate them militarily, but obviously by air is safer for our people.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Than putting, and you know, let's face it, who gets killed on the other side? It's not, it's not, hopefully it's my girl, but it's going to be a bunch of soldiers right on their side to get killed. And you know, chances are they, you know, they don't want to, they don't even want to fight. But so we should try to do everything we can to avoid, I think, uh, the actual conflict itself. I hope this is like a ground contact, that is what I mean specifically. Uh, I don't, I don't, I, although I think it should be done in conjunction with the Congress.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  For sure. Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  I think destroying infrastructure of countries that not only, um, don't do it themselves, drug infrastructure I'm talking about, uh, but actually promote it because they, they, they benefit from it. I'm all about it. You know, it's like, look, you got, there's one of two things. They're, they're making, you know, fentanyl or coke or where, whatever they're making. This is where they make it. Either you're, you and your police forces go out there and destroy it and dismantle it, or we will. Uh, I ain't no problem with that. That, that is, you know, I'm surprised we haven't done that.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  But doing that, I feel like doesn't really need, you don't really need 25% of the Navy and like a bunch. Yeah. Like you don't need that stuff for that, for probably 15 targets, like, uh, a destroyer could probably take care of all that.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, it's true. It's true. You could probably just actively target with Preds for the most part. But whatever you need to actually, I don't know how big these facilities are. I've worked, I've done a little bit of it. But, um, yeah, if that's what it's gonna take to start destroying these facility and not just in Venezuela. It's like if the government either can't, won't do it or can't do it, then this is a fair option.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Are the, uh, the, the analysts in the agency or state or wherever, are they gaming out what happens if Maduro steps down? Are they worried about like factions of the military taking over or, you know, somebody else grabbing power, however it works? Cause there's gotta be, at least I'm assuming analysts are putting down some kind of percentage or like some kind of likelihood in terms of what the scenarios could be, right? Cause we all want to agree that like, yeah, Machado can come in, she gets, we do an election, she wins and it's democratic and kind of opens up Venezuela. Yeah. And I want to be six foot, four inches and 220 pounds, right? Like I'm never gonna, it's never gonna happen for me.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Not saying it won't happen for Venezuela, but, um, I just worry about leaving that kind of power vacuum there, especially like if, if the rest of like Maduro's cronies don't get the amnesty that he'll likely get.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  What do they do, right? When their backs are against the wall and, you know, real deal backs are against the wall. Cause I'm assuming if they're still around and Machado wins, there's gonna be some kind of like inquiry, inquiry at the minimum, right? In terms of like their participation. So, uh, that's what I worry about. It's just a power vacuum, right? Cause we saw it in Iraq. You know, that thing was like a gaping fucking wound, basically.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Well, you you hit on several of things that I would imagine folks uh at Langley are looking at. Yeah. It's it's easy. Obviously, this person doesn't need to be in charge, but it's easy to say that. But if you don't, if you don't know what comes after, sometimes, yeah, you know, it's it's not worth the effort, right? Right. If he leaves and the, and you know, a worse person steps up and then becomes, you know, the new Maduro who continues the drug trade and continues to to partner with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, whatever, right? So it didn't do any good.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  So it and it's and this is much easier said than done. How do you orchestrate it? It a a a removal of somebody like this that ends in a positive? Yeah. You know, obviously for our own national security interest and the people of Venezuela. I think that answer we have. But it's going to have to be orchestrated. Right. They need to have him remove. And you hit the other issues, right? So what is keeping them from leaving? Well, there's reports that the Cuban, that he's basically surrounded by Cuban intelligence officers who are told like he leaving. Uh, they Cuban, yeah, Cuban regime meets him in place.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Uh, maybe, you know, I think, I think the old tanker was going to Cuba. Right? So they benefit from Maduro being in place and everything that he benefits from. So they don't want to believe. And maybe they can tell him, you you're not leaving. Because your security ends up being your, your, your, your prison wardens. Yeah. Pretty quick, right? When they want to be. And then the other thing you already hit, Dee, is like, uh, if you benefit from Maduro, like your Maduro's in his gang and you make money. And he's like, hey, I'm piecing out going to, you know. Tahiti. Yeah. Uh, you're going to be the one left holding the bag. Yeah. They're going to prosecute plenty of people. It's not just him, right? Somebody.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  There's a lot of other bad people there. So they might tell, be telling him, nah, man, you're not leaving because if you leave and you know, I'm left holding the bag, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the one swinging at the end of the rope. So that maybe, might be why he's doing so much negotiation on how many people he can take. He's gotta take enough people that he, he's allowed to leave.

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• 19:34Speaker 02

  So you think that's what's happening right now? Because like we've been like gearing up for these Venezuelan strikes for, you know, probably since September, right? So it's been a few months. At least that buildup has been there. So you think this is what's going on behind the scenes? I'm assuming is like some kind of negotiation where he's trying to get out unscathed relatively, you know?

• 19:54Speaker 03

  It could be, and if if you look at the campaign, right, so we started striking the drug boats specifically associated with the cartel that he runs. So that is obviously to try to stop drugs from coming to the country, which is important. But it's also to cut out a major revenue source. And then we start, and it's a campaign, right? So we stopped that. And then he's, he's, he's hurting, right? And then we got the potential replacement leader out of the country and very, so now she can be very vocal. She can push the people, people in Venezuela can say, okay, we would, we'd like to be led by her, not him. Right? So now there's a figure to rally, which is not, it's not manipulated, like she's legit.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  You know, um, this isn't.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Very minimum a contender for, yeah, like.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's totally legit and inspirational, I think, to many, not just in Venezuela. So it's coming together. You know, it's almost like you can see, you can see the chess movements on the board. Um, and it's really whether it works, if it does work, like, you know, I will be off to them. But I, you know, the other options that they do like a Manuel Noriega type special operations. We certainly have, we certainly have the assets in place.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, JSOC's probably been down there for three months or more. No? I mean, it's been reported, so.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  You know, intel has probably been developed, I imagine.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  Have that right, you know?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, listen, I love JSOC and they can get it done. They can get almost anything done, but I don't know if I'm down to risk guys to go and snatch this guy. I'm really not.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Question.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Because in, you know, I'm talking as John Q. Public.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  No one really gives a shit about Venezuela. Frankly, they're not as big of a drug smuggling operation as like Mexico or Colombia is, or those cartels are. Um, they don't make fentanyl, like, so it's, I don't really, outside of the immigration or the illegal immigration, I don't see a massive.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Threat to the homeland, to be frank, and I'm the type of guy who's like outside of like, you know, you're leaving Venezuela, like be just like the same reason people left former Soviet countries after the fall, right? It's because you're you're willing to go to a new place, a new country where you probably don't speak the fucking language and change your life to be to, you know, do better in life, right? To do better for you and your family. I can't hate on somebody who wants to do something like that. Like that's so to me, that's the bravest, one of the bravest things you could do, right? Like, leave everything you know behind because it's so shitty.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  To come to America or any Western country, really, and try and make a better life for you and your family, like the right way. It's like, dude, I can't hate on that, you know, my dad.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  That's why we're here, right?

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, that's why all of us are here.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Greek and Amharic, so I mean, that's America.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  Just got to do it legally.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  No, I agree. I mean, I know plenty of groups have done illegally. Uh, gotta be honest with you.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  But that's just the name of the game. It is what it is like, but think about it. You're willing to break the fucking law.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  To get to a place that's not as garbage as your your where you came from, or like just to get better opportunities. Not through like being drugged and then there are bad guys that come through, but I think that's like the vast minority, in my opinion. I mean, there's empirical evidence to it too. So it's not my opinion. It's fucking fact that anybody's bitching about it, but um. So yeah, I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze. I'm saying for sending in like, you know, a thousand Rangers and like a, you know, a squadron of Delta or DevGru to try and swack this guy or capture him or whatever. I don't want to end the TF160. I don't want to risk those guys. Those are like our best assets in the world. Like, I don't know.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  It is a huge, it's a huge, uh, it's a huge risk, right? You gotta get these, um.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  You know, operators in, right? And that's what requires, you know, movement, movement's very vulnerable. The Russians have been giving them just about every kind of surface to air missile that they can get them. And uh, it's, it's just a challenge now. Do we have the assets to mitigate that threat? Yep. Uh, so I would hope, and I, and you know, I don't need to tell Admiral Bradley how to do his business. He's been doing it for 30 years. So he's going to do the risk assessment, be, so is the, you know, commander of JSOC. And all the way down to the commander of whichever squadron we go.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Tell the powers that be, this is a, this is the risks to the force, uh, if we do this, and this is a chance to success.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Uh, and you want high fidelity on the intel, like he's there, right?

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  And then you gotta do the question. I mean, because this was actually a debate before the middle lot raid. Why don't we just blow them up?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 25:14Speaker 03

  Right? Is it worth risking?

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Getting a helicopter shot down with, you know, uh, dozens of, uh,

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  Or we just, if we, if we know where he is, then we can actually go and apprehend him. Then we could essentially just target him.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  And, uh, I mean, we've been targeting, well, we're over 80, you know, uh, drug runners.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  He's the head of the drug cartel.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  I mean, we definitely have, I'm assuming we're not worth our salt if we don't have this shit completely penetrated, at least signals wise. Like, we're not worth shit. If we have not, we don't know exactly where he is at exactly what time, or even have a human guy who's close to him that we're fucking, you know, paying him a hundred grand a month to, you know what I mean? To like, give us the goods on him.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Well, we can't do it, uh, uh, an operation to apprehend him, but we don't know where he is.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  We know where he is. I mean, I'd, I'd advocate for, you know, obviously trying to mitigate any collateral.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Uh, damage, but he's probably surrounded by a bunch of goons.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  You know, to keep him in place. So.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  And if they're, if you're standing around Maduro right now, you kinda should know.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Chances of getting your ticket pulled are high. Um, so, you know.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  I'd advocate that we don't risk a shutdown helicopter, that we would just take him out with his, you know, and, and you know, if anything that we've done, we've done a lot wrong in the last 20 years of the global war on terror, but one thing we have done really right is targeting.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've gotten very good at it, right?

• 26:44Speaker 03

  And the, and the military.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see. I hope it's negotiated out and he can leave and, and you know, we could start focusing on China, which won't happen, um, in terms of military and intelligence and you know, the whole US apparatus, um, like, and Russia, I mean, Russia should be the number one, like, fucking them up in Ukraine should be.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  You did see a lot of comments this week by our European partners about the end of Pax Americana, whatever you call it.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Um, is over, right? This should be shocking to Americans.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  I am, you know, I, I think I'm a straight cheater. I'm not a, I don't belong to a political party. I compliment and I criticize the policy, not the people, I'm not getting that, but I have been complimentary on the Gaza peace plan efforts by the, this administration. I also supported direct strike on Iran. Um, that was the right time to do it. I am supportive, at least in part of trying to get the, the Duro help, but we gotta worry about this idea that we don't want to be paired with, I mean, they're not as strong as the United States.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  But this isn't a matter of, we can reduce our spending if we disconnect with Europe. If we disconnect with Europe, we're probably gonna have to increase our defense spending.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  I think.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Because we don't have the partners and allies that we had before.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  I think the last thing I saw, they marked up like a $951 billion.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it went up.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  It's not like we're, it's going down and, and we're getting a little bit of like peace and prosperity in our own backyard, like healthcare or whatever. Also, to be honest, I ha- it's a little annoying with Europe, even though I think behind the scenes, they are doing the right thing in terms of like seeing the writing on the wall where it's like, we need to step up here and kind of decouple, or at least have that plan in place somehow, whether it's military, industrial base, even intelligence too, especially specifically for Russia. But like, the feverish meetings that they have, like, come out with a fucking plan, a real one. I know, I know they came out with a new 20-point plan or Ukraine did in conjunction,

• 29:04Speaker 02

  uh, and push that shit, push that shit like this is the plan that we're willing to do. In your, it's your own backyard, right?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, stand up and make a decision, you know, collectively.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  You know, it's, it's not just constantly, you know, platitudes and, you know, trying to convince us to do something. I mean, it's time to be your own, have your own agency, you know, I mean, like agencies, I mean, like your own, you know, will.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  And, and they do need their own agency, by the way, because their intelligence was, I mean, we had the largest, we do have the largest, uh, most effective intelligence collection system ever.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  And so people rely on us and I would not want, and I would, as a country.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  I would not want.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Any country that I was in, I would want to have as much of self-reliance as I can, which means I would propose, if I was European, no more neutrality. We're rowing, you're rowing because you're in the boat. You gotta build up your military, you gotta integrate it across so they can fight together. You gotta start, you gotta, there's two ways to fight Russia. You can either be so strong, they won't fight you. So I guess that's not fighting, but you get my point, or fight them, or actually fight them, right? So either way, in the irony of this is, I don't think we're actually going to rupture our relationship when they don't, but just say it does happen, we might do it at the very time when they put so much effort into their own security

• 30:30Speaker 03

  that they're plus for the United States.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Like not a, not a. A drag.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Frankly Mick, I would be if I was like the in an EU leader, I would be floating or leaking the idea of a alliance that does not include the US, a military alliance without the US. NATO could still be there, but this is also a new alliance, at least float the idea, leak it somewhere. Where like, we're starting to like, really think about what the fuck we're gonna do because the US is not. Push comes to shove, I don't think the US is showing up really. I don't think so.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  That's just.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Right now, no.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Horrible.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  It's horrible concept, right? So we've, you know, NATO has only been activated for us.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, too. Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  You know, uh, so, you know, this idea, it's a bird, it's like a suck. You know, we want to have our power projected around the world. That's what superpowers do. I mean, it's, it's like in the definition. So we have all of this force in Europe. It's not just for the Europe Europeans, like they get a benefit. Sure. It's because we want it there, right?

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  We, we don't wanna.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  It's, yeah, they're only demo, like really the only fucking democracies around. There's like 25 democracies. In a world of like 190 countries.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  It's scary. It's kind of wild to see that, like numbers wise, like the percentage wise, it's, it's insane. So I don't know why you would back out of Europe. At the same time prodding them to do their own thing. And I think, listen. Europe is stepping up for sure. Over the last three years, I think it's been a big wake up call for them. Uh, you know, but you know, the EU's got a together, has a massive, you know, massive economy together.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  They do.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  You know, so they can pull their own weight and they haven't, I think enough, I'm not an expert, but I think they have enough of a military industrial base. Where they can build and develop their own.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Their own weapons where it's not reliant on as US as much, right? Like,

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  That's what they should be doing. I mean, that's what I would be doing if I was a PM. I'd be like, what the fuck? And we, what is the plan here? We need to step away from the US. We're obviously still friends, but we need to be able to handle this shit ourselves.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's very real, right? So Ukraine needs to industrial base. It's outside of Ukraine.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Right? Cause they're not rushing a little period. The European countries outside of Ukraine. Need it because they need to have self reliance. So pair the two. Why? They should be. Maybe there is.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Factories, especially drone factories popping up all over the place. Uh, long range uh, misses. You know, everything, everything that they, if these country needs to build right now can benefit Ukraine right now. There's again, there's all these hundreds of billions of dollars that are rushing frozen assets. I know there's legalities and.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Also, I did hear um, that it's held in Belgium.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  And the Belgians are worried. I believe this is what I heard is they're worried about if they released it. Whether it's for reconstruction for Ukraine or for weapons for Ukraine. That they, if there is a peace deal or a ceasefire that like the Russians will go after them in terms of trying to get it back. So that's what they're worried about. And, and also I did read that um, they're worried that because the US has taken a step back, that if the Russians did go after them, not militarily, but I think other ways. The US wouldn't be there to like, help Belgium, Belgium. So I think that's like a little bit of trepidation there, at least from that, the, the Belgian government.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you're right. I think there is a idea to get around that in that they could loan Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars based on the frozen assets. So you're not actually using frozen assets. And then they will not give the money back to Russia. Uh, unless they pay for the reconstruction.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  I got you.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  If they won't, then they go through a process of uh,

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Whatever it's called, um, restitution, I guess, to give the money to Ukraine. So they actually, they borrowed it, but then they can Ukraine can get it back.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Right. Pay.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  So they leverage against it, basically.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. And they, I think they already are giving Ukraine the profits.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  From like the interest?

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  It's like five, 10 billion dollars.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  It's gotta be a significant amount. Yeah. I mean, you have 300 billion sitting around. Yeah. It's gonna accrue. Um. Yeah, I, I would really love a deep dive on like what Poland's doing and what like those countries right there on the border are doing. Cause you know, Poland's getting busy. Uh. Both militarily.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  The Poles can fight. They've got great intelligence.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Cause think about it, right? Like the EU. Together with, let's say the UK is a strong nuclear power. With a massive military. And if you include Ukraine in that EU. They have the biggest army in fucking Europe. So like, they don't have, they have claws. EU has claws. They literally need to stop doing the. The group meetings where like they just, they just try and figure out like a fucking statement to come out with and say, it's like. No, you need a tangible plan because the US is not coming to your back. Clearly.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  Why don't they have some kind of military alliance inside the European Union system?

• 36:05Speaker 02

  I would do that right away. I'd be.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  I guess you need the UK too, but you know, so the UK now and, and EU together. I mean, why not?

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I, that. At least bleak the framework of it, right? Like si- show. Something outside of bullshit fucking statements from like leaders. That they're really doing this. I mean, they are spending the money, which is good, but like. Show some fucking teeth. Cause Russia's around in their backyard sabotaging shit. They're fucking about real good. Like there was a report about Russia. Trying to blow up our fucking planes, uh, heading to the United, like, bro, what the fuck? And if you need to go back before Ukraine or like, not before Ukraine started, started, but before their full scale invasion. The Havana syndrome stuff, like they've been frying our fucking guys.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  For years. It's like, it's time to hit back where the US, especially covertly. Cause they'll never fucking admit that they got hit. They'll never admit they're too fucking machismo, fucking, you know, big, they think they're tough guys.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. But they're doing stuff to us. I'm all about. You know, you're gonna do stuff to us, we're gonna do stuff to you. You're not gonna suit to your level, we're not gonna injure civilians and all that stuff, you know?

• 37:21Speaker 02

  No, absolutely.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Is one of the oldest adages, you know, bullies exist because you let them.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Right? That's it. You don't let them. If you make it really clear that the consequences of doing what they're doing is gonna be bad.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  That's the only thing that Russia understands. Like, they don't.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  I mean, I've been told this by Russians, like, they're, they're fine playing the bad guy.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Like, and they root for it. So, we just, Europe needs to stand up. I mean, I think the United States, obviously, we do a lot more against Russia. Let's not even identify it as an adversary in the national security strategy, first time ever.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  If I was Europe, I'd, I'd read that and say, okay, we need another military alliance, and we need to have the strongest military we can possibly muster. One, to, to change Russia's decision matrix on going beyond Ukraine, which many, I mean, people are predicting they do and will go beyond Ukraine. You have to make yourself, and they need to decide, when is, when are we gonna step in, if we're gonna step in, in Ukraine?

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Are they gonna, right? I, I think it's overstated that the Russians are doing well. I don't think they are. Yes, they are making incremental gains at huge costs, but that doesn't mean that the Europeans, the rest of them, shouldn't say, okay. If, you know, hypothetically, Russia starts taking over large areas, like the, what do they call?

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Fortress belt, um, when are we gonna say, no, no moss? Like, we're willing to send in troops, and they'll be fighting French and German and UK troops?

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  You know, and we want to avoid this, because that, even though it's a decision by those countries, we don't, we obviously want to avoid it, but if they attack them, then you do have the question, they know.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  Right? I mean, they're, they're putting themselves in harm's way, but why can't France send troops to Ukraine? Why, why is France restricted from helping its neighbor?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  Like, and then if they attack the French forces.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  They've attacked NATO.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  You see what I mean?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's an article five question at least there.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Also, what like if you see a couple of weeks back, you know, with cough and Kushner go to Moscow. Meet Putin and Lavrov and the and the Chinese Foreign Minister. It's like if you're Europe and Ukraine, it's like we need to be at that fucking table. What you guys come up with is null and void. You're not this isn't after World War Two and you're the great powers and you're carving up Europe. This is not how it works. Not now it's twenty twenty five. Fuck off like no, I mean, that's what Europe needs to do. They need to show their teeth. And I don't I don't want to say that like in a way where like I'm shitting on Europe, right? I'm not. I'm saying that they have to do it now because the US ain't coming.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  They have to do it and to be frank. It's wasting a lot of time.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 03

  If we really want to see. A ceasefire. We got to start doing things to make Russia change its mind. And we're not doing that collectively like it needs to be Europe too. I mean, European countries need to stop buying their. Energy now and figure out, I mean, I know it's easy to say probably.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Sure. No, it's got to be tough. Yeah, I mean, how the fuck are they going to keep their people warm during the winter?

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Have a plan, have a plan and announce it, you know, best day to plant off trees twenty years ago. The second best day is today. Like have a plan and start doing it now.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Frankly, yeah, please.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  They need to know like this is our plan to stop buying any. Anything from Russia.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  And this is how long it's going to take and I'll announce it because you know.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I would I would hit up Canada. I would hit up the Saudis. I would hit up anybody who makes fucking oil. They send it our their way in Europe. I know the the Canadian pipelines are more towards the West. So that would need they'd take time to build out the infrastructure for oil in Canada to be sent out the east way. Uh, but you know, if I'm Canada too, I'm seeing the fucking writing on the wall with the US. It's like. We have a belligerent neighbor.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Who's talking about annexing us? We need to look beyond, we need to look beyond, uh, the good old US and like, obviously still do deal, make deal, make, you know, trade and do business, but if there's smart people in the rooms, like the economic economists and all that stuff are not thinking about this stuff and like, really looking at how to plan it out and game it out, even if it takes five or 10 years, they're not doing their fucking job.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I, I, I would, I would think that Canada's becoming closer and closer to the, to the continent, right? You, I think they're both economically and security. Um, I mean, they're part of the Commonwealth, right?

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  So, um, they always had that tie, but, uh, but now I think it's more than ever. And, you know, if you're going to focus on the Western Hemisphere, like that's what the, it should include Canada, right?

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. Yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Uh, somehow we've, we've, um, we've had a, we've come up with a strategy focused on our own hemisphere, which is probably going to be at the, uh, demise of other areas. Uh, and we've kind of cut off all contact with the, the most significant partner country we have in our hemisphere.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we get most of our energy from them too, right? Because we export our energy out to make money. So it's like, yeah, I don't understand the belligerence towards Canada whatsoever. Um, you want them to cut a better deal. I get that. Fine. That's happens.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  The nature of things. Um, what was I going to say? God damn it. I forget.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  But I mean, the whole reason like we talk, well, we used to talk about Greenland.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Is because of access to the Arctic. Canada has massive access to the Arctic.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Right? Which we could just leverage if we were just good partners with them, right?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  And with Greenland, I, I don't, I mean, if you go back to the Greenland, we're the ones that withdrew forces from Greenland. We, I'm sure that, you know, maybe they'll be really suspect now, but if it would have done, if we would have said, hey, we want our companies to have access to the, uh, Arctic Circle through Greenland. I think before with the kerfuffle, they would have been like, Great. We were NATO partners, right? Allies. That is going to be a big thing. There's only a certain amount of countries that have access to the Arctic. The Arctic is thawing. Podcast I did before this, the Stoic Podcast, we talked about anti-science.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  And how stoicism is a counterbalance to that. But it is melting, right? So and everybody knows it. So that's why there's so much interest. You'll have better access to the resources and it's going to make the world a lot smaller.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  Right? I mean, just flip the globe and look at it from the top and all you go, oh, yeah. So they'll be accessible. You'll be able to get through there and it's the economic advantages are massive and it's a it's something that we should be like. It's, I mean, the president and his administration is right on focusing on it, but there's a lot of ways you could go to benefit the United States and therefore, in my opinion, the free world by leveraging our allies, including Canada, right? To their advantage and ours.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  And they happen to be fucking democratic, you know, because there was backroom deals going on for, for, you know, Nord Stream two and the Arctic with Kushner and Wickoff. And it's just like, guys, this is not the time and the place to be doing that. We understand you'll probably have the leg in leg into it, like if if things calm down. But it's like, let's think about the actual people that are getting fucking bulldozed and, and, you know, in the meat grinder in Ukraine and stop that shit without giving Russia everything they fucking deserve, they need, they want. They don't deserve a fucking thing. Putin, I'm not saying the Russian people because like, you know, people are people everywhere. Um.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it's going to be an interesting, it's just weird how things are shaping up. Oh, what I wanted to mention was, um. As mentioned in the national security strategy where like we're still gonna focus on China and make sure Taiwan is free and independent. Um, but at the same time, they do that. They're also okaying Nvidia to give. It's not their top chip. It's not the chip that we use like the the fastest one, but if you buy enough of these. Set last generation chips. I think it's the N two hundred or NH two hundred. It's it'll have the same amount of processing power. They're just okaying the sale to China. And I understand there's a thought prob. There's probably a thought process of like keeping Nvidia kind of afloat. To keep that stock price fat because you know the.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  The market is ha. This is going into a bit of any economics, but like the market is heavily uh reliant on the money that's being poured into AI and AI tech. But what the fuck are we thinking? Giving a chip? That's advanced by some people's measure like six, five to six times more adv. More of um. Five to six times faster than the top chip that China currently has.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I truly don't understand it. This is something that China would have spent. Tons of money trying to steal this technology, right?

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Cause they they tend to be better at production than than innovation and we tend to be better at innovation. Right? So we've just given them the part that we are best at. Um, and so and they can out manufacture us, right? So if it was in the military contacts or that use these chips. Um, we've given them the very thing that they could use to to potentially fight us. Um, that they're better at, you know, producing, producing um material than we are or these systems.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  What's interesting is part of that deal is the US gets twenty five percent of the profits. I'm sure the profits are astronomical, like tens of billions of dollars. But in the grand scheme of the US budget. Who gives a fine fuck about thirty billion dollars a year? In chips because you know that pipeline is going to thin out. Why? They're gonna get a chip, reverse engineer it and make it for five X less the cost.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  What are we thinking here? Like they, I mean.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  It it's almost unfucking unbelievable. And and let's also remember, I'm a bit more economics too, but it's world economics. I sent the guys in the chat like a few days back. China just posted a $1 trillion trade surplus. First time ever, largest since World War II.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  For any country, not even the US. And our our trade has been going down significantly over the last eight, nine months. Double digits every month. I think November was 29% down. But China's 6% up overall. So they're not feeling this fucking squeeze whatsoever. So handing them anything like that is.

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• 50:49Speaker 03

  I don't either. I haven't heard anybody actually articulate at all why this was a good idea. You know, I mean, usually somebody can make an argument about everything, but I haven't even heard anybody make, maybe I've been traveling, but I haven't even heard anybody try to make an articulate an argument of why this was a good idea from a security or from your point, an economic. Like, we're giving them what they would, this, the one thing they usually have a hard time with is what we just allow them to buy directly. So, I mean, maybe if somebody's out there listening to us that thinks we're wrong, you know, posted it, posted in our, in the chats.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, posted in the comments.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  I'm all about adjusting my thought processes if I'm, if I'm off here or anywhere, but I just, I haven't even heard anybody articulate why this was a good idea, other than people are gonna make a lot of money. But, you know, America's, I mean, I guess America does make some money off this, but.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Who, the Nvidia shareholders do?

• 51:52Speaker 03

  I don't know. Don't we, don't we own part of Nvidia or something?

• 51:54Speaker 02

  No, I don't think so. We own Intel. We bought 10% of Intel or 11%.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  So, we don't even make any money off of it?

• 52:02Speaker 02

  No, no. And it's, yeah, frankly, Nvidia, I think, is doing good stuff in terms of innovation and stuff like that. I think it's highly, the AI stuff is highly, you know, overblown, but Nvidia is a company that's here to stay, right? They always need compute power and stuff like that. So, they're a company that are important, but I could give a fuck about Nvidia shareholders.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  Right. I mean, those people, I mean, people could buy it or they could not buy it. I mean, that's not, that should be.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  US foreign policy should be led by.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Foreign policy shouldn't be like opening up a market for shareholder, like, I don't, no, sorry.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Open, you can open up markets for US companies.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  That's, that's done, that's part of diplomacy, right?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  That's just so particular people that own a particular stock and do well.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  And that is going to come at the expense of our security.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  That's the thing, you know, right? Like if China's are leading, uh, you know, closest near peer country and they are.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Basic. Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, why we are giving them any leg up, especially when they're probably trying to hack Nvidia every fucking day.

• 53:10Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  You know, like, that's like, they have probably a, a, a department that is just for Nvidia.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  What are we, what are we, we're just going to hand it to them? Like, we should be going into video and being like, hey, do you need help with cybersecurity?

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  That we should close hold it as much as like we hold and we held the F twenty two plans or any big scary innovative weapon system, even though they stole that, but like we need, that needs to be a focus. And it's just, I don't know, man, it's, it's just wild.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. All right. What else?

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Cover a lot.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  I know. We always go, we, I like it. It's like jazz with me and you. It's like we just improv it. I like it.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  What do we got? What are we looking forward towards, uh, this week?

• 54:00Speaker 03

  Well, we're going to find out whether this, and I think it is a campaign to stop the oil, uh, shipments out of Venezuela, which, I mean, we have the assets there. We have the teams that can do, uh, uh, interdictions. I guess it's a question of whether we're going to sell the oil. Maybe we could sell the oil and give it to Ukraine.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  I mean, that does sound like a smart idea. I would never happen, probably. Not with this admin, in my opinion.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, yeah, that's what I think we're looking for, or whether we're going to actually use military force by strikes in Venezuela. That is, I think everybody's looking for it. There's, I mean, we don't need anywhere near this level of.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Assets. If there was, whether, I mean, even we could do, uh, the interdictions and the strikes against these boats with far less than we have. So this, that's why people are, I think, really going to focus this week. I think we're getting to a point where it's use it, or why is it?

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Use it or lose it. Right. Yeah. Use it or let the guys go home. Cause what the fuck are we doing here? We're spending money while they're out there, right? God knows how much we're spending with like that much, that many assets out there. Yeah. Um, all right, cool. We'll keep an eye on that. I want everyone to do me a favor and go check out Mick's podcast, uh, Pub and the Porch, Pub and Porch, Applied Stoicism. It's a great pod, uh, comes out every Monday morning. The links are in the descriptions. Go check it out and subscribe there. Uh, all the other guys links are in the description too. Um, Andy and Jason, um, and subscribe to our Patreon, patreon.com/the team house. You get both eyes on geopolitics and the team house ad free early and you could ask

• 55:43Speaker 02

  questions. You have a bit more access to us. Um, and you help support the, these shows, uh, cause we're cracking. Mick, always a pleasure. Thank you.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  Thanks, brother.

• 55:56Jack Murphy?

  Hey guys, I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses both the team house podcast, the eyes on podcast, and the high side news outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor. Uh, the newsletter is going to be once a week. It's going to come into your inbox and you're going to get the most current podcasts on eyes on in the team house and whatever's topical or current on the high side. So it's another way for us to get the information out to you as social media algorithms are pretty iffy and you never really know what you're going to get. Um, so this is a once a week email. It'll slide into your inbox and it will have, you know, the greatest hits of that week. It's really good. Checking it out.

• 56:40Jack Murphy?

  The website for it is teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Uh, go there and you enter into your email list or you enter your email into, uh, the little thing on the website and you're good to go and that'll be it.

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