21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership: Q&A Season 2, w/John Maxwell

📥 CLICK HERE to Download the free Leadership Workbook and submit your question for our Q&A with John and me. Apply for up to $500,000 in same day business funding in under 3 minutes at Cardiff.co/ED The best leaders want more FOR people than they want FROM them. Season 2 of John Maxwell's 21 Laws of Leadership is in the books, and this one belongs to you. When you downloaded the workbook, you sent in your leadership questions, and over 10 thousand of them came in! John Maxwell and I went through them, and we answered the themes that kept coming up again and again. My son Max brought your questions to the table, and what came out of the conversation is real, unscripted, and personal. Here are some of the questions you sent in: What is the biggest problem with how people lead today? What is the biggest thing you had to unlearn to level up your leadership? How do you lead when nobody is listening? How does a wife support her husband in becoming a better leader? John has spent more than fifty years living what he teaches, and he has stood on a stage more than 14,000 times. He isn't polished about it. He tells you plainly about the seasons he led badly, and where he learned to look first when people stop listening. I open up about the way I led in my twenties and the day I decided to talk less and ask more. I share the story of a ride home that changed how I see belief inside a marriage. I ask John a question I've never asked him, and his answer surprised even me. The chemistry in this one is something you have to witness. We go back and forth like family around a kitchen table. Tune in to this powerful episode and then take the answer that hits you hardest and put it to work this week. 🗓️ New law dropping every Thursday so make sure you're subscribed so you never miss one. Click HERE to Subscribe to my email list to MAXOUT your life (all value, no fluff)Thank you for listening —Please Share it and get the word out! 👉 SUBSCRIBE TO ED'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL NOW 👈→ → → CONNECT WITH ED MYLETT ON SOCIAL MEDIA: ← ← ←➡️ INSTAGRAM➡️ FACEBOOK➡️ LINKEDIN➡️ X➡️ WEBSITE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ed Mylett?

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• 1:06Speaker 01

  This is the Ed Milam Show.

• 1:10Ed Mylett?

  All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So we're through the 14th law now, and we finished season two. And I'm honored that I get a chance to spend some time with all of you, answering your questions. I think we've had 10,000 questions. Is that right, Max?

• 1:21John Maxwell?

  Yes.

• 1:21Ed Mylett?

  10,000 submitted questions. And 9,998 of them are for you, John. Two for me. I did ask my mom and my sister to submit two questions for me.

• 1:32John Maxwell?

  Shoot.

• 1:32Ed Mylett?

  But we're honored to have you back, John.

• 1:35John Maxwell?

  It's always good.

• 1:36Ed Mylett?

  This time.

• 1:36John Maxwell?

  It's always good to be with you. Always, always good.

• 1:38Ed Mylett?

  I love you.

• 1:39John Maxwell?

  It's Christmas. I love you too. When I, when they say Ed, I've said, yes. Well, I don't even know what the question is, but it's just, it's just a yes of it's Ed. Isn't it fun to be able to do things like this together? That we both love to do, but then to help people?

• 1:56Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:56John Maxwell?

  I mean, it's kind of like, it's almost unreal that we get to help people and add value to them. And then just have, enjoy each other as friends. And, and this is our life.

• 2:07Ed Mylett?

  It's a blessing.

• 2:08John Maxwell?

  This is what we do. Yes, it is a blessing.

• 2:11Ed Mylett?

  You know, I haven't told you in a while, but I, I love you.

• 2:13John Maxwell?

  I love you.

• 2:14Ed Mylett?

  And since my father's passed away, you know, you're the most important role model and man in my life. I just want you to know that.

• 2:20John Maxwell?

  Thank you, sir. I'll do my best to be who I need to be for you, because I sure do love who you are and I love what you do. And, you know, you do it with such excellence. You're so gifted. And, and yet, you do it with such a beautiful heart. You know, when I see giftedness with heart, it's a beautiful thing.

• 2:38Ed Mylett?

  Well, I'm looking right at it.

• 2:39John Maxwell?

  I've seen, well, you know, I mean, I've, I've seen beautiful hearts, but maybe not the gifts weren't there. Beautiful gifts, the hearts weren't there. But, you know, when you can put that head and that, that heart together and, and do it for others and do it for the right reason. And you do it for the right reason.

• 2:54Ed Mylett?

  Thank you.

• 2:54John Maxwell?

  Every time we're together, it's just a pure delight.

• 2:57Ed Mylett?

  I know, I know. I love it. All right, we'll stop loving on each other and answer your questions here, everybody. And I, by the way, I'm, I'm serious when I say that the vast majority of them are clearly for you. So we're also joined today by my son, Max, who produces the show. And he's going to be offering the questions up to us. So Max, love you. Great to have you here. Let's, let's get this rolling.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love the both of you guys. Excited to be here. So the first question that we got submitted, and again, this is when people would download the workbook. They would submit a question to you guys. This one specifically for the both of you. It would be, what do you see today as the biggest problem of how people lead?

• 3:31Ed Mylett?

  I'll let you go first.

• 3:35John Maxwell?

  Well, you know, it's interesting. I'm asked sometimes why, how I could stay in the leadership game so long.

• 3:42Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:43John Maxwell?

  And I say, well, you know, what we have to understand is the leadership game, as when you think of leadership, it's kind of like baseball. You say, well, I play a game of baseball. Well, the game of baseball is the same, but every game isn't the same.

• 4:01John Maxwell?

  And so, yes, there are certain rules and regulations, but then the game all takes on an identity of its own. And in leadership, in my years of leading, when I started off 50 years ago plus, and it's been literally 50 years now, since I really felt kind of called to do leadership. When I started off, things were so different. I mean, you didn't have to see before others see, like you do now. You just had to see more. Just had to see a bigger picture. Now with social media and everything moving and get, before starting to replace more. When I, when I started off in the leadership game, if you had a title, then you were the leader. If you had a position, it was a noun, not a verb. Now, now it's, now it's, it's a verb.

• 4:44John Maxwell?

  And, and so when people talk about the transition of leadership, what I know about is this. Managers treat everyone the same, pretty much. Management kind of likes everything solid and stable and organized. And they, they like the predictable. But in the leadership world, it's exactly opposite. It's the unpredictable. And, and what makes leaders really good is that they're able to seize the moment. And they are able to seize the moment because they have the ability to see more than others see and see before others see. They have the ability to pivot quickly. They have the ability to be agile and flexible.

• 5:25John Maxwell?

  And in leadership, honestly, the fastest person doesn't win the race. The first person gets started wins that race. And so the big change, I think, in leadership today is that you just have to be quicker. You have to be more flexible. You have to be more adaptable. You have to, have to understand that what the answer was yesterday might not be the answer today. You have to be able to ask questions instead of just making assumptions. Assumptions are the mother of all mess ups in leadership, anyway. So it's, it's the ability today to understand the moment, seize the moment, and then do something that helps people in the moment that really sets you apart from other leaders.

• 6:10Ed Mylett?

  That's really good. The only thing I would add to that is actually from you. It was a clip, I, last night, I was doing some reading and then I kind of like, I do searches, you know, try to find references to things you've said before. And I don't know if you remember saying this, but you, this is, I think, the mistake that's still in business. They're learning leadership. People take these leadership skills they're learning to take their people to serve the business. And you said, in leadership, the way that you said it was this, I'll mess it up, but I'll give it the best I can for the audience, that you could actually have, you could have one style of leadership where you use people to serve the business.

• 6:47John Maxwell?

  Yeah.

• 6:47Ed Mylett?

  Or you have a philosophy where you use the business to serve people. And to me, a lot of times, these tactics can give us, oh, I can now get them to go do these things as opposed to using the business to serve people. So it's actually a tip from you that I learned last night. It's just been fresh on my mind since I heard it.

• 7:03John Maxwell?

  It's very true. I think that the best leaders are the ones that want more for the people than the ones who want from the people.

• 7:10Ed Mylett?

  That's really good. Very good. All right, Max.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's pretty hard to beat there. So the one, the next question we have is submitted for you, Dad. So it will be, what is the biggest thing you had to unlearn or reprogram yourself to level up your leadership?

• 7:24Ed Mylett?

  The biggest thing I had to unlearn? I think two things. One, I led through, when I was a young man, I led through what I would say, more of an intimidating presence. Almost like my way or the highway. I called all of the shots. I was in charge. I thought leaders were these visionary people who were bold and ambitious, which they are. But I took it to an extreme where I think people almost feared me. And that worked short term when I was in my twenties, you know, you better do it or else. That worked, but eventually you wear out your welcome. And eventually that didn't work very well, nor was it something that was great for the culture. And this is even true at home, Max.

• 8:06Ed Mylett?

  And also, it was also, I didn't feel great about me leading that way. And so sometime, I can't even exactly identify when it was, I started to lead through love. And I started to talk less and ask more, and ask more questions. And what I found is, in business, even as a parent, I think loving your kids is kind of like a ticket into the game as a parent. You're supposed to love your kids and you should love people that are around you. You always talk about valuing people. But what is sort of a missing thing that's not talked about a lot is like, you know what's a deep indication of love? Belief. Like really believe in people.

• 8:48Ed Mylett?

  And the more I slowed down, I used to think the smartest people or the best people were just like me. We like people like us. And the more I started having appreciation, just a few minutes ago,

• 8:59John Maxwell?

  Yes.

• 8:59Ed Mylett?

  Ben Carson was sitting in the seat you're in. Dr. Ben Carson. What a beautiful man.

• 9:03John Maxwell?

  He's a beautiful.

• 9:04Ed Mylett?

  Beautiful man. Very different personality.

• 9:06John Maxwell?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:07Ed Mylett?

  Even than you and I. He's a very, much more soft spoken. And yet I, that depth of my belief in what he could contribute to our culture and conversations is very deep. And so I would say, Max, the difference was learning to lead through love, lead through vision, lead through inspiration, which is to be in spirit. Motivational leaders play to your motives. This carrot, this stick, this whatever. Inspirational leaders, they touch you in your spirit. And so I think that shifted for me. And then to learn to really emphasize my belief in people, because I think people rise to your level of belief. They want to prove to you, you were right about their belief in them. And it's also just the right thing to do is to see greatness in people. To me, when you believe in somebody, what you're really seeing is you're seeing God's gifts in them.

• 9:51Ed Mylett?

  Whether it be their work ethic, or their humor, or their intellect, or what have you. And so I think it's just looking for the right thing. By the way, it just made me a happier human being, never mind a leader in business. Was there anything when you were young, building the business or the church or anything like that, that's very different about you now?

• 10:05John Maxwell?

  Oh, same way. I very, when I was young, I just was telling people where to go and how to get on the leadership train. And there's the mountain we're going to climb. And I never, ever thought about asking them what they wanted to do.

• 10:17John Maxwell?

  You know, it's like, join the team, join the team. And, you know, they get on the train and of course, after a while, they get off the train. I said, where did they go? And of course, I was very directional instead of conversational. And, you know, one of the things when you were talking about that change that you had, there are two things I want to say. One is, I want to say, because I had the same change, major change in my life as far as how I lived in the beginning and how I live today. And, and I, I think that's very important for everybody that's a part of this podcast. Because I think sometimes we ask, is change possible? And change is possible. And we can get, we can get better. But when you were talking about inspiration and belief, I thought to myself, the reason I think, the secret,

• 11:01John Maxwell?

  I think you have, without any question, one of the great podcasts in the world. Always have. I, I said, there's nobody that does a podcast that I know as good as Ed Milam. You just are a master at it. But I think it's your belief in people. I think when you have An inspirational aspect of your leadership, I think you bring the best out of people. And I think what makes an Ed Mylett podcast really good is they feel your belief. And pretty soon you start drawing out of them what is inside of them, but wouldn't come out without inspiration. And I think you kind of give them that breath of fresh air that just allows them to perhaps express themselves on a higher level.

• 11:44John Maxwell?

  I know that when we're together, every time I think, boy, Ed just brings the best out of me. Well, you bring the best out of me because I think you are inspirational. And I think it's just a beautiful thing. And I think that it's exhibit A when we're talking about giving answers. The best answer is kind of like the life that you live. And you live it, Ed. You bring the best out of people. You're very intuitive where people are. You're very insightful about how to come alongside people and say those words that kind of just nudge them to go up one more level. And so I think you live that life.

• 12:19Ed Mylett?

  Thank you. What is, I never asked you this. Maybe it's a difficult answer. What's the best of you? Like, I know what it is for you with me in my life. But if you were to say, hey, setting aside humility for a second, probably my greatest strength as John Maxwell as a leader is what? How about that one?

• 12:39John Maxwell?

  Well, it's so funny because I got Mark Cole in the studio with me. And the reason why I say that is sometimes I have to have Mark answer my questions for me. Because he's sometimes he's more insightful about me than I am insightful about.

• 12:51Ed Mylett?

  He won't brag about himself. You guys see that?

• 12:53John Maxwell?

  He really is. And so I think, first of all, I think that I have, okay. I think when you're gifted in leadership, you have within you the art of leadership. There are the skills of leadership and there's the art. Skills you can learn, you know? There are certain leadership skills that you just do to become better leaders. But the art of leadership, when I wrote this, well, when I wrote the 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership, when we get into this book, the law of timing, that's not a skill. I mean, how do you know when to move, when not to move, when to hold, when to, you know? How do you know how to intuition? That's an art form. And I would suppose, and I think that comes honestly with more gifted leaders.

• 13:38John Maxwell?

  And when the 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership came out, I traveled the world for three years just teaching 21 laws because it was a best seller, best seller, best seller. And what I found was that with the skills I could teach very easy, because they're tangible, but with the art, it was just more difficult. And so if you ask what the best of me would be, this is interesting. Sometimes you have to ask Mark. But I think if you ask what the best of me, I think I am fairly gifted in leadership. And I think that I just am intuitive, which gives me a terrific advantage. That allows me to see it quicker, faster than most people, which again is a tremendous advantage.

• 14:18Ed Mylett?

  Is intuition the same as discernment or is that different?

• 14:21John Maxwell?

  I think they're very similar. I think when I'm intuitive, I think of an intuitive person as a person who perhaps has a sense of gut feeling. This is right. I think of a discerning person that's probably just a little bit more in the mind. So I would put, I'd put discernment more in the head. I put intuitive a little bit more in the gut. But they're both a distinct advantage because what they do is they allow you to catch what's happening probably quicker than what most people are catching.

• 14:52Ed Mylett?

  What a great answer, by the way. That is the difference between intuition and.

• 14:54John Maxwell?

  I think so.

• 14:55Ed Mylett?

  I've never heard that before. So good. Mark, if we had a microphone, we'd ask you, but.

• 15:00John Maxwell?

  For another session, huh?

• 15:01Ed Mylett?

  We do have a microphone. Let's do it really quick. What would you say, Mark?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  So I think the one that is most attainable, it's not a gift from God, is his true, authentic valuing of people. He constantly sees the value in people. And what happens with the magic of both of you is you free him up to see not only your value, but how you value the people listening to the podcast. So it is his genius at making everything, whether it's his gifting in leadership, whether it's gifting in speaking, it's all about valuing the recipient.

• 15:34Ed Mylett?

  Yep. Thank you for that.

• 15:36John Maxwell?

  So that's so good.

• 15:37Ed Mylett?

  I do agree with Mark. That's what I was leaning towards saying myself, that you said it better than I would have said.

• 15:42John Maxwell?

  Well, it's the Ed and Mark show. It's very obvious. But a lot of times, honestly, when Mark's with me, I'll say, Mark answered that question for me because he does see it, but what he said is so right on. I really do. I love people. And I tell leaders, when you stop loving people, stop leading them. Because now we're in the danger zone. You'll start manipulating people. You'll start taking them. The moment you stop loving them, it's all about you now. And how can I get them to move for me, which you know is always wrong.

• 16:13Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. So good.

• 16:14John Maxwell?

  Thanks, Mark.

• 16:15Ed Mylett?

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• 19:05Ed Mylett?

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• 19:12Speaker 03

  That was incredible from all of the three of you, to be honest. So the next question that we got here too, it's specifically listed for you, John. This subscriber here has a struggle of leading when nobody is listening. What advice would you give them?

• 19:27John Maxwell?

  It's not everyone who struggles with that. I struggle. I have a lot of times when I'm leading. In fact, the other day, Ed, somebody asked me, said, what's it like to have people always follow you? I said, I have no, I don't have people always follow me. I mean, I sometimes can't even follow me myself. You know what I'm saying? So I think that sometimes we kind of look at this and kind of maybe overexaggerate what a leader is able to do.

• 19:51Ed Mylett?

  I agree.

• 19:52John Maxwell?

  You know what? But when they're not listening, the first question I have to ask myself is not, what's wrong with them? I have to ask what's wrong with me. I mean, really, my greatest leadership challenge is leading Maxwell, not leading someone else. And when they're not listening, there's a reason they're not listening. When they're not giving me eye contact, there's a reason. So it's either that I'm not connecting with them in what I say. It could be the fact that I am certainly on my own page and they're different. And they're.

• 20:26John Maxwell?

  Here's what I know. If I ask them questions, they'll engage.

• 20:31Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 20:32John Maxwell?

  If I give them answers, they'll disengage. And so, the key, Ed, is, is you, you, you don't say, as a leader, "Find me and listen." You basically say, "I have to find you." And, and when I find you, I can then feed you. I, I find you first, "Where are you?" And then I start to feed you the things that you're telling me that you need, that allows you to be the person that you really want to be. So, you know, so often I tell people, um, the, the key to, the key to communication, the key to leadership, is the ability just to get over yourself.

• 21:11Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 21:12John Maxwell?

  I mean, a lot of my, um, positive change and growth in life was when I realized it wasn't about me.

• 21:22Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 21:23John Maxwell?

  Whether I'm, you know, when people are speaking, you know, "Well, I hope they, I hope they like me." Well, really, that isn't why they came. They, nobody came to have a contest to see how many would vote for you. It's not about you, it's all about the people. And the day that I quit worrying about me and thought, started saying, "How can I help people and genuinely make a difference in life?" Um, it, everything changed. And I think it's true in communication, I think that's true in leading, I think that's true in relationships, I think it's true in every area of our life. Just focus on the other person and, and not so much on who you are and, and what you're saying and what you want to get from people.

• 21:58Ed Mylett?

  What a great answer. It also relieves pressure from you.

• 22:01John Maxwell?

  Totally.

• 22:02Ed Mylett?

  When you don't think that way.

• 22:03John Maxwell?

  100%.

• 22:03Ed Mylett?

  People that ask me about speaking or anything, it's like their nerves are so high because it's about them.

• 22:07John Maxwell?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Ed Mylett?

  Do you agree with that?

• 22:09John Maxwell?

  Oh, I agree. I, in fact, I asked somebody, had somebody ask me yesterday, in fact, Mark was with me, and they said, "Are, are you nervous when you speak?" I said, "Not really." Um, I used to get nervous when I spoke, but when I got nervous when I spoke is when I was worried about me.

• 22:22Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 22:23John Maxwell?

  But the day that I thought, you know, I like to sit down and have a conversation, because really, I think, really, I think great speaking and communicating is having a conversation with people. And, and the moment that you, you sit down and have a conversation with somebody and you're here, trying to help them and add value to them, I really look forward to it. And I honestly just don't get nervous at all anymore when I speak.

• 22:46Ed Mylett?

  No nerves, yeah.

• 22:46John Maxwell?

  Not at all. But, I mean, I've done it, the other side, I've done it 14,000 times.

• 22:50Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, today's not your third speech.

• 22:52John Maxwell?

  No, no. But, but in, in the beginning, I was very nervous and very concerned, but I, when I look back, well, as I wasn't established, I wasn't that good, for sure. But when I look back, almost all the issues that I have that I had to overcome were not issues about the people. They were issues about me.

• 23:10Ed Mylett?

  Same.

• 23:11John Maxwell?

  And the moment that I kind of worked on me and got myself where I should be and fixed, everything changed.

• 23:16Ed Mylett?

  Same. What a great example he is.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's absolutely a great answer. Luckily, we have time for one more question, so really quick, I want to ask the both of you this. This comes from another subscriber.

• 23:25John Maxwell?

  Did you notice he said, Max said really quick.

• 23:26Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 23:27John Maxwell?

  Max, are you saying we're a little lengthy there?

• 23:29Ed Mylett?

  Are we a little blooming?

• 23:31Speaker 03

  No, you guys are always great, you're the best.

• 23:32John Maxwell?

  It was when Mark jumped in, that's the guy that...

• 23:34Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, Mark blew it.

• 23:35John Maxwell?

  Yes, he delayed us today.

• 23:36Ed Mylett?

  Come on, Cole.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  So anyways, this last question says, "How does a wife support her husband to become a better leader?" This is to the both of you.

• 23:47John Maxwell?

  Well, I could, I, the first answer I got would get me a trophy, I gather.

• 23:52Ed Mylett?

  Give it.

• 23:53John Maxwell?

  I wanted to say, "Well, just by following us, she can do." And oops, oops. Don't, if you just heard this, do not repeat this one to her, this one.

• 24:02Ed Mylett?

  That was a joke.

• 24:03John Maxwell?

  Yeah, that was, that was, that was totally a joke. You know what is so interesting, when you think of relationships and, and, and of course, sometimes in the Christian setting, we kind of talk about the mantle of head and the whole process and, you know, so, "Come on, wife, let's, you know, follow me in the whole process." But I always say, about the time I'm wanting to have Margaret just kind of follow me and kind of get in line, I'm reminded that we're supposed to love our wives like Christ loved the church. And the moment that I think of that, I say, "Well, I think we're already in trouble because how He unconditionally loves us and, and cares for us." I'm, I'm never going to measure up in that area, but I, I really do believe that, um, in a setting of, of relationships, I think unconditional love is just essential.

• 24:47John Maxwell?

  I just, I just do. I, I, if somebody said, "What's the best thing as a parent I give my children?" Unconditional love. "What's the best thing as a husband I give my wife?" Uh, unconditional love. Unconditional love just allows people to be their very best. And anytime there's conditional love, it begins to put us in corners and boxes that just doesn't really work well. And that's how I see it.

• 25:11Ed Mylett?

  Wow. I don't know that I have something to add to that. I think that's so good. I will, I'll tell you one thing, Max. Because that is it. So if there's a, if that's the A, if there's a B, um, the B would be that, I remember one time I won an award, Max, and I was super excited about it. And your mom was kind of blasé, you know, she was like, "Oh, great." You know, and I'm thinking, she's, she's disinterested. And it was interesting, on the ride back, I said, "You know, I have to tell you, it kind of bothered me that you, I thought you'd be a little bit more excited about that." And she says, "I expect you to do that." And she stopped, she said, "I believe in you, that doesn't surprise me." So she said, "When you, she said, "When you won, you almost acted surprised."

• 25:56Ed Mylett?

  And she goes, "You always tell on these athletes, act like you've been there before." She said, "I, I expected it." And I think one of the things that, you know, that you can give as a spouse to the other person is deep belief.

• 26:07John Maxwell?

  Yes.

• 26:08Ed Mylett?

  And you send them out into the world with that, there's a level of confidence that they can't have just on their own. And so I would think that that would be the additional, that would be part B to John's definite answer, which was the A.

• 26:19John Maxwell?

  Wow, that was good, Ed, very, I, I love that answer she gave you.

• 26:22Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. All right, well, everybody, I got to tell you, today was another treasure. I can't believe we're, I don't, I can't believe you do this with me. It just blows my mind, but I'm so grateful for you.

• 26:31John Maxwell?

  It's like recess. When you're a kid, you know, my favorite, so what was your favorite subject, recess? You know, when, when we get to be together, it just puts a smile on my face. And thank you for all that you do for me and all you do for a lot of people.

• 26:44Ed Mylett?

  The difference is, I'm, I don't mean this to be funny either, I learn a lot at this recess. It's like the best class. No, it's, it's...

• 26:52John Maxwell?

  I think one of the reasons we love our, the relationship we have is, I think we grow together, and I think we make each other better, and I think that we stimulate each other to be a better version of ourself. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons why you and I connect so well. We, we like to be together, but I think we like to grow. And when you can be together with people that grow, is there anything better than a great conversation for somebody and with somebody that just has the same heart and the same vision that you have, and you just kind of build up each other? I think that's what we do.

• 27:28Ed Mylett?

  Well, thank you. You do do that for me.

• 27:29John Maxwell?

  You do.

• 27:30Ed Mylett?

  And I, by the way, everybody, I hope that today did that for you.

• 27:32John Maxwell?

  Absolutely.

• 27:33Ed Mylett?

  And, and remember, if you're new to this, you're just catching it, there's a workbook you can download that's free, that's like 21 pages. John's generously gifted all of his content on the, on the video and audio every week on these laws, and so, you know, take full advantage of this, because we can all be growing together, as John just said. All right, everybody. God bless you. We'll see you next week. Max out.