Jocko Underground: The Guy Who Called Out Rener Gracie's Purple Belts and Got Embarrassed.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 228, sitting here with Echo Charles. We have some questions from the front lines, from the troops. We will provide answers, recommendations, or at a minimum, courses of action of how to proceed. Let's get into it.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  That's true. Okay, cool. First question. Okay, Jocko Echo. I started jiu-jitsu about a year ago, two stripe white belt.

• 0:22Jocko Willink?

  Hell yeah.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  I saw a video about a jiu-jitsu brown belt guy, who's an instructor, calling out any Gracie University purple belt. He said, quote, "If you're a purple belt from Gracie University, your jiu-jitsu is probably dogshit." End quote. And he also said to come to his academy to prove that it's not dogshit. Okay. He also randomly said, "F you, Henner, Henner Gracie," which we know. Okay. Then Henner Gracie sent one of his Gracie University purple belts to the guy's academy, and the Gracie University purple belt destroyed him. And it was in front of the guy's students and everything. My two questions are, is it normal for higher belts to call out lower belts like that?

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Uh, it seems like a lower belt may call out a higher belt publicly as an act of defiance or a direct challenge to his legitimacy, but I never heard of a higher belt calling out lower belts like that. Kind of like punching down. What do you guys think? And how can a brown belt guy, how can that brown belt guy recover from such an embarrassing situation? Like, I don't think I would ever join a gym if I knew that was the situation with the instructor. And if I, if I was one of the students, I might switch gyms out of sheer embarrassment on top of the apparent lack of quality of skill. What do you guys think?

• 1:45Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, that was a little hot topic in the jiu-jitsu scene for a few days there. Um, yeah, you know, what I think of the guy, uh, doing that, it's pretty, it's just pretty, you know, pretty lame, I guess. Like, just, what are you doing, dude? And, yeah. And it's not normal, you know? Cause if you want to, um, you can just go compete, kind of. If you want to, like, show your skills and you don't think other people have skills, just go win tournaments and just show your dominance, you know?

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 2:19Jocko Willink?

  And then you don't really have to, like, go... This is, by the way, I will say this.

• 2:25Jocko Willink?

  This was not a very thoughtful action.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Courts of...

• 2:30Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, this was, this was a well-thought-out plan by this brown belt.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I understand.

• 2:34Jocko Willink?

  There's a, have you ever heard of a thing called the Gracie Challenge? Do you remember this? This is not, this is not like a, this is not like a small part of the jiu-jitsu, of the history of jiu-jitsu.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:45Jocko Willink?

  Something called the Gracie Challenge.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:48Jocko Willink?

  Where you get to challenge them, and you will fight them. And this is something that was wide open in the late eighties and nineties. Wide open. If you want to fight them, you can go to their academy, sign a waiver, and you can fight. The Gracie Challenge.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  It was one of two of the only existing events that influenced me to join jiu-jitsu.

• 3:10Jocko Willink?

  The other one was UFC?

• 3:11Speaker 01

  UFC.

• 3:11Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you understand, if you've watched Gracie in action one and two, you'd realize that this particular behavior of calling out and being, you know, disrespectful. Because there probably was an approach of like, hey, my name is, you know, Fred, and I have a jiu-jitsu school up in wherever, and, you know, I think I have really effective jiu-jitsu. And from what I've seen, I'm not sure that the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy is keeping up with the times. And I would like to try my jiu-jitsu against them. I mean, that still would be, it would at least be in the, you, you could be a little bit more like, okay, well, you know,

• 3:56Jocko Willink?

  maybe the guy's trying to do some marketing or whatever, but like, you know, saying, "Fuck you, Henner Gracie." I mean, you may not, you may or may not like Henner Gracie, you know? But he's a nice guy.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:09Jocko Willink?

  He's not stealing money from this dude, you know what I mean?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:12Jocko Willink?

  So it seems a little hostile. Henner's a very nice individual. By the way, if you think, yeah, if you think that the, the people from the Gracie Academy are not good at jiu-jitsu for some reason, this is a very strange, a very strange thing to, to, to, to assume.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Proclaim.

• 4:34Jocko Willink?

  They're very, it's very, yeah, strange thing to proclaim too. So that's a little weird, you know, like, if you think that the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy does not have good, uh, people at it. Now, you might have seen some, you know, I don't know what you've seen, right? Because I see the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu people, they compete. Sometimes they're, they're, I would say they're less of a competition school, but there are people that come from there that compete. And they're good. And they're, you know, a lot of people call what we do "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" after these actual guys.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:07Jocko Willink?

  You know? So it's just a weird approach. I wouldn't recommend it.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:12Jocko Willink?

  You know, I wouldn't recommend being disrespectful for, to people, you know? Why, why would you do that? Now, again, if your plan is to get a, you know, um, get some rec, uh, get, get some attention?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:25Jocko Willink?

  You got some attention, my little brochino. So that's not normal, pretty lame. Um, and you know, it kind of went exactly how you'd think it's gonna go, you know?

• 5:38Jocko Willink?

  You're gonna have a, a guy, and it's like, it's gonna be a squared away purple belt, I can tell you that.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:44Jocko Willink?

  A purple guy that's been training for five years that lives at the Gracie Academy?

• 5:49Jocko Willink?

  Bro, that's a good ass purple belt. And look, we all know that there's, we all know that there's purple belts, and then there's some purp...

• 6:00Jocko Willink?

  You know what I'm saying? There's some purple belts and there's some purple belts.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 6:04Jocko Willink?

  Um, and, you know, you got a, you got a purple belt, you know? Like, this guy's not, this guy's not a hobbyist, this guy isn't like, you know, doing one class a week because he wants to learn self-defense. No, this dude's in the game. So anyways, uh, not a good call on this dude's part. Challenging, calling out or calling out a lower belt. What's weird about all that was, is, I understand if you're in UFC BJJ, and you get done with a match and you call out some other competitor, right?

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:36Jocko Willink?

  Right? And I understand in the, in the eighties and nineties, if you said, "Hey, I do kung fu, and I think my martial art is better than your martial art," and I call you out. But if you do jiu-jitsu, and you're saying someone else isn't as good at jiu-jitsu, you can go compete and you can, like, everyone knows.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:51Jocko Willink?

  So they actually have a stage, it's called competition. And if you want to prove that you're better, go. And by the way, they do have a thing called the Gracie Challenge, you know? Um, but anyways, I think, I don't know what that guy was thinking. You know, maybe he just got frustrated or some, you know, maybe he's just not making money, or maybe he's having a hard time, or, I don't know, dude, I don't know what's going on in that guy's head. But the dude went up there and, you know, tapped him out. The guy was super chill, super professional. And that was, you know, of course, you know, of course they go up there and just are humble and professional and just tap him out five times or whatever it was. Did you watch the video?

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:31Jocko Willink?

  Hell yeah, so did I. Ding, ding.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 7:35Jocko Willink?

  You know, another thing, I was trying to think of what, what could have made him... Sometimes if you're in an isolated area, you know, you're kind of a big fish in a little pond.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:45Jocko Willink?

  So maybe that dude had a little bit of that. I've had guys that, that were a big fish in a little pond somewhere, and they came to California. And it's like, oh, yeah, small, you're small.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:57Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, so maybe he had some of that syndrome.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:00Jocko Willink?

  Where he was like legitimate, like he rolled with some guy that was a, was a purple belt three years ago, and kind of like, when he was a purple belt, kind of smashed him, and was like, dude, these guys don't know what they're doing. And he got some random guy that's a hobbyist that, you know what I mean, wherever?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Yep, yep.

• 8:14Jocko Willink?

  So, you know, it is what it is. I think the guy, the brown belt, he made an apology video, he took ownership. And then Henner invited him to go out to the Gracie Academy and learn some jiu-jitsu. I would, if I was him, I'd take him up on it. And that's what he has to do, you know, he's gotta be humble, he's gotta apologize. Be a better person, you know, you probably have some weird... Insecurity or something is my guess.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can dig it.

• 8:40Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I haven't really thought about calling someone out in a while, other than like you.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense. And he said, and this is actually a good point, the question, like a higher belt calling out a lower belt, even within the confines of jiu jitsu, let's say, like, I don't know, let's say, obviously, this is an internet kind of play, right? So where, where was the guy from? He's from like.

• 9:03Jocko Willink?

  New Hampshire.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  New Hampshire. I was thinking Vermont for some reason.

• 9:06Jocko Willink?

  Maybe it was Vermont, maybe it was Vermont.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  But yeah, you're right, though, like, you know, like, he's way out in wherever, you know, a little, maybe it's big fish, small pond scenario, and then, but so he's influenced by the internet, you know? And then maybe saw one or two or three, or however many, like Gracie University, is Gracie University, is that the online one? Or is that the whole thing?

• 9:24Jocko Willink?

  Gracie University is, is the academy.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  The whole thing.

• 9:28Jocko Willink?

  And, and it's also the online thing, like it's Gracie Jiu Jitsu, that's, that's, you know, yeah, Alio, to Orion, to Henner, like, that's what it is.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's like the whole curriculum.

• 9:39Jocko Willink?

  At least as far as I know, I, maybe I'm not parsing out the whole thing correctly, but, you know.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Well, he called it out, but the, the oddball part, which I, I'm kind of with this, the guy who asked the question here is like, he's a brown belt, why would he call out purple belt? That seemed kind of weird. It's not like he said, like, brown belt, my, my level, or they're so dog shit that I'll take on a black belt.

• 10:03Jocko Willink?

  I mean, that you would think that would be the call.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:06Jocko Willink?

  If they suck.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:09Jocko Willink?

  If you think Henner Gracie sucks at jiu jitsu, you're kind of crazy, to be honest with you.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:14Jocko Willink?

  A little bit crazy.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. But again, kind of different, right? I'm like, me, I'm calling out all purple belts, like, bro, that doesn't make sense. Like, even if the guys are pretty good, like, you're supposed to be better than them.

• 10:25Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, also from an etiquette perspective, it's actually opposite. Like, in academy, there's some academies, like, you as a junior belt, don't call out a senior belt, don't call it a higher belt. Like, you can't, like, if you were a purple belt and I was a brown belt, I wouldn't be like, you weren't allowed to ask me to roll. That's a thing. That is a thing.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  But that's.

• 10:43Jocko Willink?

  In some training environments.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yes, that makes sense, to train, exactly, right? Because of a hierarchy and a respect, and like, and I understand how that can exist, like, in certain environments, but as a call out on the internet, an act of defiance, a dojo storm, or reverse dojo storm, whatever you want to call it, like, bro, no, you're calling out the top guy, top dog, I'm only a purple belt. I'll call out the top guy. That's how good I am. It's kind of a vibe, right?

• 11:07Jocko Willink?

  For sure.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  That, to me, makes sense in the, in the Bushido world of freaking warfare, you see what I'm saying? You don't say, I'm gonna freaking call out the guy at this university, not the top guy or nothing like that, I want to actually want a guy lower than me. You know, like, bro, it doesn't make sense.

• 11:21Jocko Willink?

  That's really, actually, I didn't even think about that. That's kind of crazy. You know what I would also think about is like, when, when they came to Hicks and Gracie Academy, when the Japanese dude came to Hicks and Gracie Academy, like, challenged Hicks and Gracie, and Hicks and Gracie had to drive there, and they did an MMA fight. No, they did a, they did a fight, like, it was just a fight.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, straight up.

• 11:45Jocko Willink?

  And, you know, like, Hicks and Gracie annihilated that guy, beat him to a pulp. And now you think that that's not part of the tradish over here?

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that, that part, yeah, I think you're right.

• 11:59Jocko Willink?

  Well, I got to see, uh, back in the day, um, Fabio, Fabio took some of the Gracie challenges, like, he was, you know, Fabio Santos, my, uh, my, my instructor in the beginning of jiu jitsu, he, he had videos of just him, like, get guy off the street, coming in with his kung fu, or wing chung, or whatever, and like, they're fighting, fighting. And, yeah, it's like a real fight. You signed a waiver, bro. It's on.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  So actually, which kind of makes me think of this, let's say, hypothetically, in this, like, call out culture world, we'll say, uh, a guy, let's say he's a brown belt, it's this guy's brown belt, and he wants to call somebody out, and again, you don't call out the guy literally lower ranked than you, it doesn't make sense. So you're like, okay, I'm gonna call out the, the head instructor, right? It is common for the head instructor to be like, you don't deserve to, yeah, yeah, you don't deserve to fight me. This is the title, I don't unwrap this for you. I'll send you one of my purple belts. And he'll, you know what I mean? And if you can be him, okay, maybe you can earn the, earn the honor, you know, of like, another guy and then me, you know?

• 12:59Jocko Willink?

  Dude, actually, that would have been, it would have been funny if, if Henner would have sent a blue belt.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would have.

• 13:06Jocko Willink?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Exactly right.

• 13:08Jocko Willink?

  You know?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  That's exactly what I'm talking about, yeah.

• 13:10Jocko Willink?

  So that would have been, made it even a little bit more extreme, would have been a little bit better of a match.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:15Jocko Willink?

  Because, you know, but who, I don't know, when did that guy get his purple belt, you know?

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:19Jocko Willink?

  So.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  The, yeah, the guy, the purple belt guy seemed, seemed very good, and yeah, you're right, that's the risk you run when you just start calling out entire curriculums like that. They'll be like, okay, cool.

• 13:29Jocko Willink?

  Of the, of like, the, the royal family of the sport.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, bro.

• 13:35Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I mean, that's what it is.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 13:37Jocko Willink?

  Where, there's no, there's no debate.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:39Jocko Willink?

  It's like, well, no, no, no, that's the, that's the royal family sport, but it's, but it's really just judo, okay, cool, but it's, you know, it's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it's Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:47Jocko Willink?

  It's, it's Hoist Gracie. Do you know who Hoist Gracie is? You know what I mean?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I understand.

• 13:53Jocko Willink?

  Dude, I trained, I trained with Hoist Gracie. Hoist Gracie's, Hoist Gracie for a reason. And you know something else? Watch, whatever, I think it's UFC one or UFC two, and Ken Shamrock, who's a beast, drops back for a, a footlock or a heel hook on, on Hoist. This is 1993. Hoist defended that like he'd been defending, you know, like, he was part of the, part of the damn Don Herd squad. You know, like, oh, he just sat right up, got his position, like, no factor. So you're thinking in your mind, like, oh, that's all, it, no, dude.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:26Jocko Willink?

  It's, come on, man.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, his, that was a very big challenge, I think, um, but again, yeah, this calling out the lower belt is weird. So I, I had no answer for that. I have no idea why that would happen. Um, and then what was the second question?

• 14:40Jocko Willink?

  I, yeah, how does he recover? My guess is, this guy becomes a Gracie Academy affiliate. That's my guess.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Well, that's kind of the move, in a way.

• 14:49Jocko Willink?

  To me, it's kind of, yeah.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  So if you kind of zoom out, detach, if you will, and zoom out and look at it, and I was kind of looking at it as an internet fun story perspective, because, you know, at the end of the day, that's what it is, you know?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  He could be like, okay, no, no, no, this is part of a story arc, see what I'm saying? I freaking emerged as this kind of like petty villain, you know? And freaking, and then I challenged the noble prince, or the noble freaking knight, or whatever, got completely defeated.

• 15:18Jocko Willink?

  By the way.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  And.

• 15:21Jocko Willink?

  No offense to my boy, the purple belt, because you, obviously, you're good, let's go.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, fully. And actually, in a way, to, to me, anyway, from this story standpoint, he, he was a call out to Henner, that's what it was. Like, you, you, F you, Henner, you and your whole system sucks, is dog shit. That's why he said, if you're part of this Gracie University and you're a purple belt, your jiu jitsu is probably dog shit. He was, he wasn't calling out that purple, he was calling about everybody. So it was a Henner call out, really. So, cool, good story, fun story, right? So Henner's like, well, I'm just a noble king, you know, but I will accommodate you, sir, as, regardless of how petty it is. So he accommodated very gentlemanly, like, right, on his turf and everything, sends him over, really nice, not, not freaking, you know?

• 16:01Jocko Willink?

  No hostility.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  No hostility, very professional, boom, you know, handles business, and said, sir, like, I accept your challenge, you know, and then boom, defeats him, and then now what, right? Now what? So this guy, sweet, I should use this as my advantage. Henner invited me over, I'm going, I'm saying, Henner, I was wrong, you were right, I want to learn from you, you are now my master. And now he should become a freaking student, disciple, see what I'm saying? Of the Gracie University, Gracie, uh, Academy thing, see what I'm saying? And now he gets better and better, improves his technique, obviously, if the purple belt is, you know, kind of giving him lessons on the mat, see what I'm saying?

• 16:36Jocko Willink?

  And by the way, no gi, by the way.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  No gi, yeah.

• 16:39Jocko Willink?

  Like, on his, in his own gym, no gi, which I would imagine that the purple belt from Gracie would have preferred gi. That's my assumption.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:48Jocko Willink?

  But no gi, no time limit, no, like, uh.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Right. So boom, now this guy accepts his defeat with humility, right? Boom, turns over to the freaking, what do you call it, the force, the light side, whatever, the, you know, the Star Wars thing. Boom, now he's a disciple, now that's perfect story arc, he was the bat, now he has, uh, what do you call it when you have history, like, the lore? Is the lore, see what I'm saying? He learned his lesson, and now people will want to go to his academy, see what I'm saying?

• 17:14Jocko Willink?

  We'll see.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Bro, I'm saying, that's the move.

• 17:16Jocko Willink?

  It's really hard to humble yourself like that. Yeah, especially if you're kind of that, but if there's one way you're gonna get humbled, that was it.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  That was it. But he's on the right path.

• 17:26Jocko Willink?

  Publicly, by the way.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, on, yeah, more than publicly, even internet style, but the, um, he said, like, just like you said, because, yeah, there was a follow up video, right? There's a follow up video, he's like, I'm sorry for, you know, sorry for Henner, you know, like, freaking, I learned. So he's on, on the right track right there. Just double down on that, see what I'm saying? Go to Henner, freaking see what up, people video, you know, that'd be the move, I think. But, yeah, interesting, fun story.

• 17:51Jocko Willink?

  Man, you know, um, we all love jiu jitsu, you know, like, we all love to train jiu jitsu. It's weird to just develop a beef out of thin air. You're, you're in, you're in New England, bro, you know what I mean?

• 18:04Speaker 01

  It was an oddball.

• 18:05Jocko Willink?

  Like, like, it's like in the old days of, like, the hardcore scene, when you saw someone that was in the hardcore, it's kind of like dope, but then it got a little bit bigger, now you just had to, it was like, we had beef with other, you know, elements and whatnot. And that, then it became, so it's kind of the same thing, like, in the old days, it's like, you like jiu jitsu, I like jiu jitsu, but it didn't take long, it was like, wait, you, you're from what school? And then we kind of got through that. We kind of got through that to where it's like, oh, yeah, you like jiu jitsu, I like jiu jitsu, cool, let's train.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:30Jocko Willink?

  Not, you like jiu jitsu, but I'm a thou, 3,000 miles away from you, and I'll call you out for no reason, unprovoked. It's kind of a wild story, but anyways. I'm sure it didn't go the way he wanted. I'm sure he wishes he could take it all back, but think before you speak, y'all.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:48Jocko Willink?

  That's what we're doing, all right.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  But again, from a, from a zoomed out perspective, this is like, this is like, obviously, this is a fun story to watch. It's like a fun thing, but Brodja, I think for this guy, for the, the brown belt dude, um, oh, fuck, what's his, do you recall his name off?

• 19:02Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  I think, I think it was Clarence. I think it was, yeah, Clarence.

• 19:06Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Clarence, if that's his name, he should, he should double down and embrace it, be like, hey, this is the storyline now, this is a narrative going on right now, this story. Jump in there and freaking, you know, make a good story out of it.

• 19:18Jocko Willink?

  We'll see.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Opportunity, really.

• 19:19Jocko Willink?

  He goes a big thing now, bro, you gotta understand that. So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

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• 20:31Jocko Willink?

  we can still support you, just email assistance at jacood underground.com, and we'll get you taken care of. Until then, we will see you mobilized underground.