Axl Rose & Sweet Crooked Cousins O’ Mine w/ Gayle King

This week, Laci welcomes Gayle King (CBS Mornings, Oprah Daily) to dive into all your scams and stories, CONgregation! Together, they explore Gayle's experience traveling to space, the hype of the Chicago pope, a listener's letter about pregnancy fraud as revenge against multiple situational relationships, and how a fake Axl Rose conned a fan into committing tax fraud. Plus, in Scammer of the Week, a Portland couple is sentenced to five years in federal prison after stealing $34 million from two former clients through their chauffeur and limousine business, Astra Car Service, LLC. Stay schemin’! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess book? Look no more, nab your copy on PODSWAG Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Gayle King:@gayleking Curated by Jessica Cisneros

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• 2:28Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? Today, we have a queen. Royalty, y'all. Like, truly, I am gagged at the guest that we have today. And I'm gonna need you all to just, like, wherever you're listening to this stand-up, you know, if you're in your car, stand up in your car. Like, you know, park at the light. Yes, stand up, because we have the prominent, award-winning journalist, the co-host of the CBS Mornings, a lady who has shown us what friendship should look like through her longstanding friendship and collaboration with Oprah Winfrey. And, y'all, this queen went to space. And let me tell you, she did that for the team, honey, because I'm not going to space. And I was very proud on the ground, looking up. And I was like, nothing can happen, because they took our queen to space, so she's gotta come back down.

• 3:11Laci Mosley?

  Also, very hilarious trying to schedule with this queen's team. And they're like, oh, yes, she's coming, but she's gotta go to space first. I was like, OK, well, let me know when she's back in the stratosphere, which is amazing. Congregation, please, get up. Get up out of your cars, get up out of your seats, get your baby up, stand your baby up. They can, they can stand now. And please welcome the incomparable Gayle King to the show. Hi, Gail.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Hi, Lacey. Don't stand the baby up. Maybe the baby's napping. Don't stand the baby up.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  Wake 'em up, wake 'em up. Wake your baby up. It's Gayle King. Wake your baby up. Your baby doesn't want to miss this.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Hello, Lacey. Hello, hello, hello.

• 3:48Laci Mosley?

  Hello. It's so good to see you again. You look fantastic. Um, I was so excited to get you on the show, because I really want to know your opinions about scams and, and anything. Just, what is your relationship with scams? I mean, you've worked in this industry for a long time.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Well, but first, we do that. I know when I went to space, you went, "Rat roll, hope she come back." I know that's what I know that's what you were thinking. I know that's what you were thinking. And listen, you always, because I was terrified and I was exhilarated at the same time. It's interesting, the whole, the duality of those two feelings at the same time. I don't think I've felt like that since, before giving birth, where you're, for the first time, you're very excited, but you hear all the horrors, it's gonna hurt, dah dah dah dah dah. But I really felt at peace. I, I honestly did not think that I was gonna go out like that. I, I did not, I did not. That said, you know, in the back of your mind, the unthinkable could happen.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  You know that. But I really, the, the night before Bishop TD Jakes did a prayer with me, he led me in prayer. So I felt, you know, I surrendered and I was ready, but I didn't think that I was not gonna come back. I didn't. And then people were saying, well, you know, you gotta wear a diaper. I go, why, why do you have to wear a diaper?

• 5:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, I didn't know that.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  And I said, why? And then people said, well, sometimes when you're really afraid, you pee even when you don't want to. And I'm happy to tell you, I was very afraid, but I didn't pee.

• 5:16Laci Mosley?

  Okay, didn't pee. Amen.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Because if I did, I would tell you. And, and I came back with all my body parts working and everything was fine. But it was great. It was great, great, great. I feel very proud and very brave.

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  You were very brave. I, I will say the last thing though, Gal. I wasn't.

• 5:32Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  If you hadn't been on that ship, I think that I would have been a little more concerned. I was like, I don't know, the girls could, something could happen to the girls. But I was like, not our queen. I was like, if they're taking our queen up there, it has to be very safe. She's gonna make it back.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  And, and you know why I felt good? Because Lauren, Lauren Sanchez, who was Jeff Bezos's fiance, they're getting married in June. I knew that they would cross every T and dot every I. You know, I just, I didn't believe that anything would happen. To be honest with you, I'm not, I don't think I would have gone if Lauren wasn't on this. I don't, I don't.

• 6:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's like, one time I was, I was walking into a flight and I saw Tina Knowles. And I was like, I was like sitting across from her and I was like, oh, this plane is definitely gonna land. Beyonce, I'm on it. Okay, great. I'm good.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  You know what?

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  I don't even have to worry.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  That's how I feel. That's how I feel when I get on a plane and you're sitting next to a priest with a collar or a nun. I go, oh, we good, we good.

• 6:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  But I just did Tina the other night. I just did something with her because she's on a book tour for her book, Matriarch.

• 6:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  So she came to Brooklyn. So I was one of the people that got to interview her. I just adore her.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  Yes, she, I mean, she's T and that book is T. I was like, yes, queen.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  Yes, it's Tina. Yes, yes.

• 6:46Laci Mosley?

  What can't she do?

• 6:47Speaker 04

  But let's talk about scams. Nothing, there's nothing she can't do.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  So talking about scams, have you ever been scammed? Or have you, do you know anyone who's been scammed? Like, what's your relationship with like scams?

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Well, you know someone, but I mean, I was thinking, I was really trying to think, have I ever been scammed? Not knowingly, I must have, but two weeks ago, and I said, it's so funny. I never got, never would have paid any attention to this. I got a thing on my phone that said, please call this number where it's Con Edison. They're about to turn off your lights. Your electricity is going to be shut off. Please call right away. And I just thought, now, how could that be? Because I know I paid the bill. I know I did. But you're supposed to call this eight hundred something, something number. And I said, I'm not even going to call it. I'm not even going to call it. Was that a scam? I don't know. My lights are still on. My lights are still on.

• 7:37Laci Mosley?

  The lights are scamming you, but that is, that is a scam. And they usually want.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  That is a scam with, with the utilities?

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they've been doing the utilities lately. I'm also getting text messages now about running through a toll where it's like your car drove through this toll.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  I got the EZ Pass. I got the thing about EZ Pass. Your EZ Pass was spotted, it's on so, that's not true.

• 7:57Laci Mosley?

  And they always want to add a time stipulation because the less time you have to think about something, the less time that you're going to clock weird details, weird things that are happening because they're pressuring you with this time. You know what I mean?

• 8:10Speaker 04

  That's why they say call right away.

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm. And they try to make their messages very menacing and very like scary. And they've honestly ramped that up. I, I recently got an email, or actually this was almost a year ago. I was in Ireland. I'm going back to Ireland, but. I got an email.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  Wait, stop for a second. I've never been to Ireland.

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, really?

• 8:29Speaker 04

  I would love to go. Why are you going? Are you doing a scam story there? You're just going to hang out?

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  Going Dutch. So that's Dennis Leary's show on Fox. So we shot the first season in Ireland. We just found out that we're going back to Ireland to shoot season two. So I've spent a lot of time in Ireland, like a little outside of Dublin. I lived in one of those, like, it was called Greystones, and it was like a very fancy sea town where, you know, like the kind of the town where like somebody definitely did a murder and everyone has a secret, you know?

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Yes. I like Dennis Leary a lot. I like Dennis Leary.

• 9:01Laci Mosley?

  I love Dennis Leary. He's wonderful.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  I think so too, but I don't get the impression, Lacy, there are a lot of black people in Ireland. Were they staring at you?

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Um, they're very polite. Like, I, I think Irish people are like the black people of white people. Like, they just seem to get oppression a little bit better than everybody else. And...

• 9:22Speaker 04

  The black people of white people.

• 9:24Laci Mosley?

  They are. They're very, they're very down. I didn't have any kind of racial issues. It was very much, I'm with my peoples. I really love the Irish. Um, but, you know, every now and then somebody would be like, oh, are you from Nigeria? Like, they were really trying to figure out where the hell I was from. They were like, we know you're not from here.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Are you from Nigeria? Why can't I be from Idaho?

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  Right. I mean, that's my favorite joke that makes them uncomfortable all the time. It's like, well, you know, I was on this like Carnival cruise ship and there was like this whole unpaid internship for 300 years that happened in America. So I don't really know where I'm from. Maybe West Africa, wherever you could dock a boat, probably.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. That's good.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  They're like, ma'am. And I'm like, what? You asked me? I don't know. I was stolen.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  That's good. That's good. But to my knowledge, I don't know that I've been scammed where I said, oh, my God, I can't believe I fell for it. I, I don't think I've had that. I don't think I have.

• 10:19Laci Mosley?

  Well, I feel like with your background in journalism and everything that you do, like, there is a little bit more credence that you probably give, even to the scam that you just sold me about, where it was like, oh, your lights are being turned off. You were like, hmm, I'm not even gonna call you 'cause this doesn't seem like it's actually true. But they get people. They do get people a lot with these different things, especially if you're in a more, and this is what sucks about those types of scams is like the more financially vulnerable you are, the more likely you are to fall for something like that because you are scared. You are like, are they gonna turn my lights off? Like, I can't deal with this.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Or finances, or the more heart emotionally available you are. I'm always amazed by people that fall for someone who they've never seen. You know, I just can't imagine falling for someone who I haven't seen, you know, or that I haven't met, you know, if, you know, I know they give fake pictures and all that stuff, but I would want to physically see a human being. And so I don't understand how you fall for somebody that you've never physically seen.

• 11:23Laci Mosley?

  Well, I feel like that's a little bit generational. Because like, yeah, because so many things have been digitized and so much of our interactions, especially if you grew up with a smartphone tablet like in your hand, you know, watching movie, like your whole life, you've had, you know, online interactions. They started to seem more commonplace and normal. So then you're like, well, this is how we interact. This is how we do business. This is how we do things. You know what I mean? And then older people who are trying to like get into the digital age, like they take things a little bit more face value to online. Like that's why I'm always like, call your grandparents, call your family, like, get all of your Facebook relationships, take those off. You don't, no one needs to know who your cousin is on Facebook. Take all of that off. It's just so easy for scammers. Like, you don't need that. And-

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I find, I know, I never post in real time. I never post in real time.

• 12:12Laci Mosley?

  Yep, I had to stop doing that too because it's like then people know exactly where you are.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Where you are.

• 12:16Laci Mosley?

  But you know, as I'm sitting here going, you know, Lacey, I can't imagine how anybody falls.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  I hope I'm not one day calling you going, Lacey, you're not gonna believe what happened.

• 12:25Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  And then I have to have that, what had happened was- I I hope I never have to have that conversation with you about a scam. Because then you would feel so foolish and you would feel so stupid with two O's. But I see very intelligent people. It it it's not about your your.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  No, at all.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  It's not about your education or your race. It's just some some of these con people I hear are so good that they can they can get you.

• 12:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I I always say, and I said this on Good Morning America, but I was like, scammers are fishermen. I just don't want to see you on the hook because there's bait for everybody because we all have needs. And so there's always going to be somebody who's willing to exploit those needs. And I don't shame people for being scammed. I've been scammed. And sometimes now I'll see some of the scamming and I'll try to just like walk into it a little bit because I'm like, what are y'all doing over here? I'm just curious.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, how is this working? Yes.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, no, tell me more, tell me more. So by five o'clock, I gotta send a payment or my lights get turned off? Okay, and where and what what else?

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:29Laci Mosley?

  And sometimes it's a turn off the scammers. They're like, hmm, you seem a little too interested. We actually are not going to try to scam you. I've had I've had scammers ghost me.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. We're gonna stay away from her. Yeah.

• 13:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. They're like, what are you? You're a little too interested. You're too invested. I was like, no, tell me more. How did you come up with this?

• 13:45Speaker 04

  You seem to know too much.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. And they're like, okay, I I was very bummed out because some of the scammers who I've been ghosted by, which is such an insane sentence. I was really trying to figure out what the scam was. There's one scam that's been happening to everyone recently via text too. And it's like someone will reach out and say, hi, or, oh, we have this appointment, or, oh, are you going to meet me at this place or whatever? And they act like they know you. And then like they know you're going to be like, oh, who is this? I don't know this number or like, I don't know you. And then they'll be like, oh, I'm a friend of so and so's. And they try to keep the convo going. And I don't know what the scam is, but it's happened to me and a few of my friends. And so I was trying to engage in the conversation. I messed up. I posted on, uh, I took a screenshot and posted on Instagram. I was like on my stories. I was like, y'all, I think I'm finally going to get to the bottom of this.

• 14:30Laci Mosley?

  And then immediately after that, they stopped talking to me.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Now, now, why did you post it when you're that close? Why did you do that?

• 14:38Laci Mosley?

  I didn't think they were going to be looking at my Instagram like I was.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Well, they're paying attention to you. And when you said that you were scammed, how old were you when you were scammed? Were you a grown up?

• 14:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I've been scammed so many times. In adulthood, in, in childhood, yes. Especially because I work in, you know, the entertainment industry. So, you know, you get your scammy headshot photographers. You get your.

• 15:03Laci Mosley?

  You sign up and pay people to scam you, basically. And then.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  Got it, got it.

• 15:08Laci Mosley?

  Like, yeah, meetings with casting directors and stuff. All that stuff was a scam. It's like, you're not even casting anything that I could be in right now. I'm paying you, what, like $90 for me to read a fake audition? And you to lower my self-esteem? What are we doing here?

• 15:21Speaker 04

  But basically, I'll, I'll bet you did a good read. I bet you did a good read.

• 15:25Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I don't know. One lady told me that, uh, my sassy blackness was out of vogue. And they're looking for real, like, black people who are normal now. I don't know. She said something very weird to me that obviously did not work.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Your sassy blackness is out of vogue.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she was like, we're not doing that no more. And I was like, uh, this is me. What do you mean?

• 15:45Speaker 04

  Clearly, she's uninformed. Sassy blackness never goes out of style. Never.

• 15:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. Also, the word sassy is very triggering for me. Like, if anyone gives me the notice, like, do it a little sassier. I'm like, oh, God.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  Don't say that.

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• 18:02Laci Mosley?

  But let's get into it. I'm so excited for those of you who have emailed us at [email protected] to snitch on your friends, family, and your enemies, because if you were chosen today, Gail is going to be able to weigh in on your scams.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Oh, I get to weigh in? I get to weigh in? Okay, good, good, good.

• 18:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Because this is the thing, you know, when I went to school, I never thought I was going to be in television. I never thought that. Because my grandmother said to me once, you know, "Gail, Mother Nature wasn't as kind to you as other little girls. You know, that's why you should wear makeup, like your friend Ophry." That's what my grandmother said to me when I was 21. And so, I majored in psychology.

• 18:49Speaker 04

  Always intending to be a child psychologist, or I was gonna be a lawyer because I thought I'd be good standing in front of a court, uh, in front of a jury arguing my case.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Or I've always liked listening to people's problems, always, and giving unsolicited advice.

• 19:04Laci Mosley?

  (laughing)

• 19:05Speaker 04

  As, as my favorite son and favorite daughter, I still do that today. I was just saying to Kirby, you know, are you sure you want to do, fill in the blank about whatever it is.

• 19:14Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  So I love, I love giving unsolicited advice. So good. This is right up my alley.

• 19:19Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Thank you for asking me.

• 19:21Laci Mosley?

  Also hilarious, though, that you're like, I love giving unsolicited advice. It's like very specific, like, you know, they did not ask me. I, I wanted to intervene.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly right.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  I love that. Well, I do need a fake name from you. We never use people's real names here. So it could be any fake name that you want to come up with for this first person.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Waikiva.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  Wow, you would give me something challenging. Um,

• 19:47Laci Mosley?

  Waikiva. Okay, Waikiva.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Cause I know a Waikiva, so Waikiva.

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, and she's the only Waikiva. It must be nice. She got that email locked down. She got everything locked down. She is one of one, okay? I don't know a Waikiva.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Me neither. It's Kiva, not fa, Kiva with a B.

• 20:06Laci Mosley?

  Kiva, Waikiva. Yes, okay. Not you got the pronunciation too for this fake name. Waikiva, excuse me, y'all.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Well, it sounded like you were saying Waikifa with an F, and it's Waikiva with a B.

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's why Wyclef Jean should have named one of his daughters Waikiva. But Waikiva with a V, excuse me.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Be clear.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  I am very clear. So she writes us, she says, "I allegedly ran a scam on a few men a while back. I was getting annoyed by my situationship disrespecting me." So I love that Waikiva, first of all, you're saying you allegedly ran a scam. So yes, you did.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  But you know what, Lacey? I love the word situationship.

• 20:50Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 20:52Laci Mosley?

  And situationships are a scam. Babes, we're in a relationship. We, it's just that nobody wants to, like, commit. It's like the lowest of stakes. Yeah, but it's like, once you put anything on it, it is a relationship. It's just that neither of us want to commit to this because we don't think it's the right person. But we're like, it's right for now. Um, it's right for the bedroom, Chaz. Right for whatever you need.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Right. It's right for right now. Yeah.

• 21:15Laci Mosley?

  So Waikiva says, "One day I was at my cousin's, an idea came to me." So, my cousin was pregnant at the time, and I asked her if she could give me some of her urine." Now, Waikiva.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  Oh. Already, already, already we've taken a bad turn. Okay, go ahead.

• 21:34Laci Mosley?

  Waikiva, this is not alleged. You were running a scam. Because why do you want this pregnant lady urine? Why?

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 21:41Laci Mosley?

  So she peed in a small container. This is a good cousin. Um, they didn't ask you what for. They didn't ask you. They was like, sure. I don't know if people ask me for my urine. I'm like, sure. Like, immediately.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  I would have some questions. Okay, so she peed in the cup, okay?

• 21:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So then, knowing that, this is Waikiva talking. We'd never, this is kind of explicit, good lord. But knowing we've never used condoms, nor was I on birth control, I thought this was going to work. So what I did was, I had the situationship come over, and right before we did the deed, thank you for cleaning that up, Waikiva, okay? This is family programming.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 22:20Laci Mosley?

  I would go and pee, in quotes, on a pregnancy test, showing them it's positive and all excited. I love the look that a few of them had. Now, okay, first of all, Waikiva, how many situationships did you have going on?

• 22:34Speaker 04

  I was just gonna say, few, yes. And she said, "them."

• 22:39Laci Mosley?

  Them. The cohort of situationships you have. How do you keep it up with this? Waikiva, I know you have to have a job and employment too. You had a lot of free time to have all these fake relationships.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:50Laci Mosley?

  So I made them think, Waikiva said, "I made them think that I wanted to keep the baby or that I simply could not afford an abortion. I would call Planned Parenthood, acting as if I needed an abortion, and I'd have it on speaker so that the guy could hear. The flat price out here in Portland is around $700. Men are fast to pay without any question."

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh. What is her question? I'm curious to see what her question is.

• 23:18Laci Mosley?

  I mean, this, this doesn't, it's giving like this person is just snitching on themselves. Because I don't, I'm not seeing a question. It says, one of my situationships had me walk into the plant. Not you over here, LARP, but you went to the place with them knowing full well.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  No, that you were not breaking it, that you were not breaking it.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my lordy. I walked out from the back entrance where he couldn't see me a few hours later. I came back as if I had forgot my wallet and we left together so he could take me home and care for me.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  So she could recover. Yes.

• 23:51Laci Mosley?

  I allegedly did this to four guys and split the money with my cousin. She gave birth and that scam ended. So, okay, well, at least you cut the cousin in.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  Waikiva, not nice, not nice.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  Waikiva. This is wrong. This is fraud.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  It's, it's wrong. It's wrong on so many levels too, Lacey. Where, where does she live? What, what city is she in?

• 24:17Laci Mosley?

  I mean, Waikiva said Portland. We don't want to get more specific than that because we can't, we can't air Waikiva out because she's snitching on herself. But Waikiva, you did this to four people? Four? At least I'm gonna hope that these were bad men. Maybe they were bad dudes and they deserved it. I don't know.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  I don't even think they're bad dudes because she was having a relationship with them. So on some level, she, she must have been interested.

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  And the last one sounds very nice. He walked, he came with you. He was, and now what do you have? Eating ice chips from this man? And like pretending that you, you just had a very real procedure?

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Care for you and I'm doing care in finger quotes. No, no, ma'am. She needs to sit down and take several seats. No, no, no, no, no.

• 24:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Gail does not like this scam.

• 25:00Speaker 04

  No, I do not. I do not.

• 25:02Laci Mosley?

  Gail said you need to have several seats and she's right.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  And she's gonna pay too. You're not, you don't know how, but you can't do that to people and nothing happens to you. I really, I also really do believe that. I'm not being Pollyanna or anything, but that is so deliberate, so sneaky, so wrong. You, you just can't do that to people and nothing happened to you.

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  And it's like you had the phone call with the clinic on speaker, like sis. You, normally when people do this, they just shoot a little text message over. Not you having a full production. You had this man go to the Planned Parenthood with you and you snuck out a back door like you was spy versus spy.

• 25:41Speaker 04

  And also Lacey, while we're talking about it, I'm also looking at the cousin. I don't know if, if, if I knew my cousin was doing this, I would want no part of that money and she would not get any P for me. So the fact that I took the money and I split it with the cousin and the cousin was like, like she's doing something noble.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that strikes me a little bit more ethical. At least she didn't take all the money for herself.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  No, that doesn't strike me, no.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  The evidence.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  No, but I'm looking at the cousin going, why would you co-sign on this? No, no, no, no.

• 26:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look, I'm just saying that at least Waikiva gave her cousin a little bit of the coin. Like, I, you know, she could have kept it all for herself.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, but if I was a cousin.

• 26:21Laci Mosley?

  Kept it.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  But if I was a cousin, I would want no part of money like that. I would not. I would not.

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes we love them, sometimes we don't like it. This is par for the course. Um, so this person snitched on themselves and their cousin a little bit.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Yes, but I'm giving Waikiva no props for anything. Nothing. I'm giving her no, no props or accolades for anything. No.

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  Listen, Gail's not giving you no props for this, Waikiva. Waikiva, I'm gonna give you, I'm, I'm. The only thing that I'm giving her props for is that I'm glad that she shared the money with her cousin. Like, I think that's nice.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  I disagree with you too, because I think the cousin should have said, nope, I want no parts of it. Nope.

• 26:59Laci Mosley?

  Well, the cousin, if the cousin hadn't provided the P, none of this would have happened. So, you know. But obviously not something that we would recommend. Very traumatic, very traumatic for these men. They think that they had a baby out in the world and, you know, not great.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  And then they lost the baby. Yes, Lacey and I, Lacey and I agree, this is a terrible thing. We are not in favor of this pregnancy scam.

• 27:22Laci Mosley?

  We do not encourage this.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  But I do have to say this though, all, all, all kidding aside, I'm, I'm not, um. I'm not encouraging this, but I have to say it's very elaborate and quite clever. She put a lot of time in that. I wonder what she does, I wonder what she does for a living. She should devote more time to whatever she does for a living. Or something like that, rather than that.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Gail is saying, use these skills for good, instead of for evil. Cause clearly you're a great performer, like you're on the phone with these people. You're acting like you're overjoyed about this fake baby. You're in the bathroom cooking up the pee test. Like you're, you, there's some, there's some production elements here that we could use this in a more positive way, Waikie. But we don't have to use this to trick men and, and take small amounts of money from them.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  And you know what was interesting to me about this story when you first started telling it? I wasn't sure where it was going. I asked my pregnant cousin for some urine. I, I thought, what in the world? I didn't know, I thought, I thought it was to get out of a drug test. That's what I thought.

• 28:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I immediately knew where it was going. It was given pregnancy. I was like, mm, cause like, why are you?

• 28:28Speaker 04

  See, you have more experience with, uh, with scams than I do.

• 28:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes, cause I mean, why would you? I mean, you're living a very like honest life. So I, I'm glad you don't have a lot of experience. We have one more letter here. Or actually, if time permits, we might have two, but we might have one. So I need another fake name. Can you go easier on me than Waikie?

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Okay, God, I love Waikie. Cause I had another great name for you, but now.

• 28:54Laci Mosley?

  No, no, give it to me, give it to me. I'm gonna do it. I accept the challenge.

• 28:57Speaker 04

  Someone else, someone else I know. Shonteria.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  Shonteria, okay, see, Shonteria is, that rolls off the tongue. Shonteria.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:05Laci Mosley?

  So Shonteria says, I ran into a weird story over the weekend. I have a friend who lives in Florida and her dad is in his seventies. All right, we're hearing older dad. Okay.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 29:17Laci Mosley?

  He, the dad has a lady friend. Let's call her Norma. Norma, who is sixty-five years old and is just a regular old gal who bartends at the local pub. Why you gotta call Norma a regular old gal like that?

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Because, Lacey, can't you picture Norma? Number one, the fact that you use the word "gal", can't you just picture Norma? Go ahead, go ahead.

• 29:41Laci Mosley?

  You're right, you're right. Norma got a bar rag in her back pocket always, and she always wiping something, and probably giving unsolicited advice.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  So Norma is a big fan of Guns N' Roses, and was a regular contributor to a Guns N' Roses fan group on Facebook. And this is in Florida. One day, two years ago, she received a private message from a person claiming to be Axl Rose.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  Of Guns N' Roses, okay.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  On Facebook, talking to Norma.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Norma.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  The regular old gal at the bar.

• 30:16Laci Mosley?

  Regular old gal at the bar. He's like, "I gotta talk to Norma, me, Axl Rose."

• 30:20Speaker 04

  So far, it makes sense, go ahead.

• 30:23Laci Mosley?

  So "Axl", in quotes, explained that he was impressed and touched by Norma's posts about the band. "Axl", in quotes, also explained how famous people have a hard time meeting us normies because they never know what the fans' motivations may be. Now, I listened to your podcast, this is, um, Shanteria saying this. Now, I listened to your podcast about the Brad Pitt scam. So I went right into asking my friend how much money "Axl", in quotes, had scammed her out of. Imagine my surprise when I learned that not only had Axl not asked Norma for money, he had also paid off two of her credit cards.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  This took a turn.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Yes. Where's the, plot twist, where's this going?

• 31:11Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  So recently, though, things took an odd turn. And Axl had a money-making idea for Norma and presented her with a W-2 form for one of his many companies, showing that Norma had earned $2 million working for him in 2024. Norma didn't work and didn't get any paychecks. So... This is taking a turn.

• 31:34Speaker 04

  So why would she think, yes, yes, yes?

• 31:37Laci Mosley?

  Because remember-

• 31:37Speaker 04

  And also, also, Norma knows she hasn't worked for Axel. And we're doing Axel in finger quotes.

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  She knows she hasn't worked. So even if he showed her something that was $2 million, but go ahead, go ahead.

• 31:48Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, but I'm like, what, where, where is this going? So Axel told Norma that she could file this W-2 with her tax return and receive a refund for 300K. Isn't that nice, is what Shanti is reading here, lol. I told my friend it sounded like money laundering or a scam of some sort, and maybe Norma shouldn't participate in these shenanigans. But she has already filed.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 32:16Laci Mosley?

  Norma has quit her job, bought herself an $80,000 car, while she waits for her refund. Not sure what the fallout will be, but I will keep you updated. I'm figuring that she gets the refund and Axel takes most of the cash. And if the tax man comes a-knocking, that Norma will be on the hook. Have you heard anything like this before?

• 32:38Speaker 04

  No, but how can she get, how, how can she get a refund? Or even the fake Axl? Because she never worked, she never had this job. So I'm trying to figure out what the benefit is. I don't get how anybody gets any money out of this situation. Because she didn't work there.

• 32:54Laci Mosley?

  Essentially, it's tax fraud.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  But, but how, though, Lacey? You file a fake thing that you don't, that, but you didn't work there. You didn't work there.

• 33:03Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, but if he has this fake company, and he's the one who's given her all the information to file for this W-2, then it is a little bit of money laundering here, and it's tax fraud.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 33:15Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes you can get away with this, but the thing is, is like, I know we all get excited when we hear the IRS is being defunded, but in reality- We need to fund the IRS because they can't go after the mega-rich people when they're not funded because they get inundated with paperwork. Like, there's some people who are so rich who can literally pull up like several U-Hauls to the IRS of paperwork. And it's like a needle in a haystack. It takes so much manpower, so much time to audit one person. So they typically go after the middle and lower-class people because you don't have as much paperwork.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  You don't have the resources to really dig into it.

• 33:51Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 33:53Laci Mosley?

  So Norma girl, they will find you. They will find you.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  So do we know how this ends? Do we know what happened? Or it's just one of those open-ended, "Her friend is asking."

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  You know, Shontaria is asking, but we don't know how it ends, right?

• 34:10Laci Mosley?

  We don't know yet, and I think Shontaria is going to update us. So we will be reaching back out to Shontaria. But I picked this because I thought it was fascinating because in this case, obviously, this man is not Axl Rose. We know that.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  That's number one.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  For certain. And then also, this man paid off her credit cards. And in scamming, we talk a lot about people who...

• 34:33Speaker 04

  But he was setting her up, though. Yeah, yeah. So you think, what a nice guy.

• 34:36Laci Mosley?

  They give a little to get a lot.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so they'll give you something so that you're not on the hook. But it's like, immediately following them paying off these bills, they're asking you to file a fake W-2. So clearly...

• 34:51Speaker 04

  Yep, so they pay off your bills, say it's $250, but then they ask you for $1,500. Just, but you're thinking, but he's so nice, he already paid this for me.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  Right, it's like they've shown that they have money. Or like in Ponzi schemes where when you get new investors, you pay back the first investors with that new income. And it's like, you're not actually making any kind of returns or dividends. It's just that you're getting new money and you're paying people with that new money.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Now, Lacey, Lacey, this is not a criticism of you because I just think you're terrific. But why are we doing this story? I like a story where we know how it ends. Now, I'm sitting here not knowing what happened to Norma. So I like something where we know exactly.

• 35:32Laci Mosley?

  Neil, you're busy. We didn't know how much time we were gonna have you for, okay? So we couldn't give you the full hoodwink story because we did not know if you were gonna have to disappear or go back to space.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  I do have to disappear. Not going back to space anytime soon. I would actually, but not going anytime soon.

• 35:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  But I'm sitting here, now I'm wondering, what happened to Norma? What happened? Because she's, she's out of $80,000 for a car.

• 35:59Laci Mosley?

  And she's waiting to see what this tax return is gonna be. Norma's on the hook. Sometimes that's life. We don't know.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  Is she still at the bar with the towel tucked in, you know, wiping off the counter?

• 36:11Laci Mosley?

  She quit. Before the money even came, she quit.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 36:18Laci Mosley?

  And we don't know. You're gonna have to pray for her. I don't, I, that's all I can tell you about Norma right now. We will get an update. But, I mean, because we're gonna, we're gonna have a little update on that later. I'll, I'll let you know. I'll hit you up. I'll let your people know what happened to Norma, okay? Robbery!

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• 38:40Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm very big on prayers because I just came back from Rome. Oprah and I and Maria Sharver went to see the first inaugural papal mass that he had done.

• 38:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow. For Chicago Pope?

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, for Chicago Pope.

• 38:53Laci Mosley?

  For Chi-Town Pope!

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Chi-Town Pope. He drove right by us in the Pope Mobile. And Oprah's going, "Chicago! Chicago!" It was great because we're very classy.

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  Listen, it's the Chicago Pope. We all have to act a fool. I have never seen Chicagoans act more of a fool. They have already remixed all of his Pope waving moments with Chicago, famous Chicago music. They're not letting up. Deep Dish Pope is out here and everyone's proud.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he spent more time in Peru. The Peruvians are the ones that are saying, "Oh, no, he's ours." And then Chicago and in the States are going, "Oh, no, he's ours." And then there was stories that there was some Haitian blood in his family.

• 39:34Laci Mosley?

  Stop!

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:36Laci Mosley?

  I knew it was going to matter in time before they started saying he was black.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  I did an interview with his brother and he goes, "Well, we're not aware of that side of the family." It was kind of funny. So, so everybody is claiming him, which isn't that sort of a nice thing?

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  It is a nice thing. I love that everybody's throwing a ring in, because like, I'm not from Chicago. I mean, I've been there. So I'm like, how do I get involved? I'm like, American, I have to go broader. But we're still there. We're still there. I'll give you one tiny scammer story that hasn't ended, just to satisfy you before you go here.

• 40:07Speaker 04

  Okay, good, good, good.

• 40:08Laci Mosley?

  So, Scammer of the Week. This is when we highlight a charlatan who may or may not be worthy of our praise. We don't know yet. Um, but today we're talking about-

• 40:16Speaker 04

  Do I get, do I get to pick a name?

• 40:19Laci Mosley?

  So, this is a person. This is a person, this is a real per- well, these are all real people, but those people were emailing us, so we don't want to say their real names. This is a real story. So, I mean, they're all real stories, but you know what I mean? Like, we, we can't say this person's name. So, Portland limousine businesses, that's where we're going here. So, a Portland couple were sentenced to five years in federal prison for stealing thirty-four million dollars from two former clients through their chauffeur and limousine business, Astro Car Service LLC. So Sergey and Galena, the criminal couple, met their victim in two- They're a couple, they're a duo, okay? We do everything together, including crime.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  So, they met their victim in 2007, where Sergey was hired as a driver. Ten years later, Sergey was driving the client almost daily, while Galena managed their personal tasks, including bill payments and pet care. But they didn't have a written contract in place, and the couple charged the victim's credit card directly, often without detailed invoices. The fraud included exorbitant, uh, excuse me, exorbitant sparges like seventeen thousand nine hundred dollars in a single day for minor tasks. The stolen funds financed a lavish lifestyle, including the purchases of fourteen properties, seven vehicles, and luxury items like jewelry and gold bars. Not y'all buying gold bars with this man's credit card.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  They got caught, but thirty-four million dollars, how do you not miss thirty-four million dollars?

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Yes, on your, on your credit card.

• 41:50Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  On your credit card. He must have been so wealthy, he wasn't paying attention.

• 41:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, clearly. If you're wealthy enough to miss millions of dollars

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:01Laci Mosley?

  over five years, then you're pretty wealthy. And it sounds like they kind of got their hooks into him, like the husband was the driver and then all of a sudden the wife is now doing all of the personal.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  And the wife is running this stuff in the home. So they can coordinate. And then they know where everybody's whereabouts, too. You're looking at the bills coming in, you're driving him, so you know what the schedule is. So are they, are they behind, are they behind bars?

• 42:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they were sent, um, they're now, um, guests of the state. And, yes, they, they were sent to the prisons. Um, five years in federal prison. There is an ending there, they did get caught, they did steal thirty-four million dollars before they got caught, though, and they were buying gold bricks.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:43Laci Mosley?

  Living large.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  They have five years to think about what they done, done, done wrong. That's good.

• 42:49Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I, I.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  What they done did wrong.

• 42:51Laci Mosley?

  I'm sad for you, Gail, because I feel like this was not a satisfactory episode for you. One, we didn't give you any scams that you could love, they're all bad. And two, and two, some of them don't have finish, they don't have endings.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  Yes, note to self, note to self, I would like to have a beginning, a middle, and an end. But, Lacey, it's not about the scams, you are so much fun. You are so much fun. So, I could talk to you about.

• 43:15Laci Mosley?

  Scam you could love, though. Sometimes you will love them. Sometimes you'll be like, oh, I, I, I, this is admirable, and these people are smart. But, uh, you know, today we got some kind of just like run-of-the-mill.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Today was not the day.

• 43:26Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Today was not the day. I go, you know, that's pretty damn good. It's wrong, but it's good. No.

• 43:32Laci Mosley?

  I know. Now I'm like, oh, my goodness. Remember me different, Gail, remember me different, okay?

• 43:39Laci Mosley?

  But thank you so much for being on today, we really appreciate it. Anywhere you want people to find you, anything you want to plug here at the end, you can. Um, and then, other than that, like, thank you so much for gracing us.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  You can find me at CBS Mornings, I always say, your favorite morning show.

• 43:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  You know, and then I, then I'm at Sirius XM, I have a radio show, and then I'm here in the offices of Oprah Daily, my other job. So, li- I, I'm living life at full gallop.

• 44:02Laci Mosley?

  You truly are. You have many jobs. I do, too, I, I love my many jobs.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  You do, too.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  Serial entrepreneur, love that for you.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and you all.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  And if you have, and if you have a nice guy to fix me up with, you can do that, too. I'm alert and available, and, and quite delightful.

• 44:20Laci Mosley?

  You truly are very delightful. Let me, let me put my peepers out there, okay?

• 44:23Speaker 04

  Put them out, put them out. But thank you, Lacey. Thank you for having me.

• 44:28Laci Mosley?

  Thank you, Gail. Thank you for being here.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  I really appreciate it.

• 44:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, okay. So, Gail had to go back to space.

• 44:37Laci Mosley?

  I know she said she didn't have to go back to space, but I saw her putting on her space suit. And y'all, y'all didn't see that. No, I'm just playing. But I won't leave you with just two letters. I will read the last letter that we had for Gail here. So, in 2020, let's all come up with a fake name together. Have in mind.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  Tracy. That was what y'all were thinking, right? Remember that that's the thought you had, okay? Power of suggestion. We're all going with Tracy here. Just gonna keep it all as women names. I don't know if they're women. I don't know how they identify. But you know, we're gonna keep your secrets here, y'all. [email protected]. Stick it to your friends, family, and yourself. Sometimes we love them. Sometimes Gail hates them, okay? And but but we still, we're in support. In 2020, Tracy says, "I reached out to my cousin-in-law, who recently married my blood cousin." Okay, cousin-in-law. This is very specific. Gail, Tracy, are you white?

• 45:33Laci Mosley?

  I have not heard cousin-in-law. That feels like how how white people name their relatives.

• 45:39Laci Mosley?

  Tracy says, "He had a food truck business in Alabama, and I was a current college student at North Carolina A&T." Okay, so Tracy, you might be black. So, Tracy says, "I started a business called Mickey Bowls, selling..." Now, Tracy, should I say his name? Remember that different. We'll bleep it out. "I started this business," we're not gonna say the name of the business, "selling fresh fruit and juices on campus. And I wanted to open a food truck. I had done research and met with builders. But one day, my cousin announced on his Instagram page, that now no longer exists, that he was building out food trucks. I reached out to him, and he told me it was divine intervention,

• 46:24Laci Mosley?

  and that the Lord sent me to him." Okay, amen.

• 46:30Laci Mosley?

  Amen, amen. "So he told me he could do everything for me, and that he would be my spiritual guidance and mentor throughout this whole process. As soon as he got my money..." He started acting different. Now, listen, I just asked you to build me a food truck. I don't need you to pray over me like, sir. Like, I love the Lord, but he wasn't really like, I just wanted to get a food truck. He was like, oh, listen, this is divine timing and the Lord is gonna help. Oh, sir, um, just make the food truck, please. So he started acting different once he got that devilish coin, okay? So response times would be longer. He started to tell me what I did and didn't want and wasn't trying to hold up his end of the bargain.

• 47:16Laci Mosley?

  So basically Tracy said, as soon as I gave the coin up, all of a sudden now he don't got email on his phone. I text him about the food truck. He like, who dis? Amen.

• 47:29Laci Mosley?

  Like, he turned, he went from being a part of the Holy Spirit. He turned into the Holy Ghost, basically. He was like, I'm Holy Ghosting you. So Tracy says, I wanted to travel to Alabama to see the progress of the truck because I was so excited. And he told me, no. He said it was too far for me to travel from North Carolina to Alabama. I think traveling to see your investment for something you paid for is pretty normal and something that everybody does. So, um, this cousin is definitely giving me shady vibes. The cousin said, I would get the truck sometime in December of 2020. I do want to mark that we are in 2025.

• 48:10Laci Mosley?

  So Tracy says, out of nowhere, he calls me and tells me he's moving to Florida in a few days and that he would be shipping the finished product to me in North Carolina. Now, this is January 2021. So now he's saying, a year later, I got the truck, but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta ship it to you. I'm also moving. Moving is very expensive. Like, that sounds like something that's a you problem. I don't, I don't typically have to tell anybody that I work with business wise, like, oh, well, I have to move and that's why I can't give you your products and things. Like, what does that have to do with anything? So Tracy says, I told him he would receive his final payment for the truck once it arrived. And he said, that's not how it works and not how he does things.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  The truck arrived and I was instantly disappointed. It was a mess, dirty. The equipment was barely mounted down. He sold me refurbished equipment that stank, not his stank.

• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  We don't want no stanky ass fruit bowl. No, no ma'am. The windshield had a two foot crack in it. The gear shift box was broken and it had no horn and the brakes were terrible.

• 49:29Laci Mosley?

  Not your food truck. I'm trying to get my bowl in the truck rolling away. No ma'am. No ma'am. Also, it sounds to me Tracy like you could have went to the police auction and got this truck yourself and it probably would have cost you a lot less. And Tracy says that was only the beginning. It has been five years and I have put well over 80 grand into fixing this truck and it still has problems. He took my life savings and I wasn't able to open my business until last year in 2024. So you know what? I am going to say your business name Tracy because y'all go out here and y'all get these fruit bowls from this now refurbished, non-stanky truck. Okay? Miki bowls. Miki bowls. Y'all go get a bowl from Tracy because she's been through a lot.

• 50:14Laci Mosley?

  So Tracy says, "I told him about my dissatisfaction and he acted surprised. He told me the crack in the windshield must have happened during transit and offered to send money for the issues the truck had. I found out later the crack had been there the whole time and he would purposely position pictures so you couldn't see it." So he was sending you pictures of this busted truck, knowing full well. So is this the cousin or the cousin in law Tracy? Because if this is your blood cousin, y'all gotta fight at the next family reunion. Like you definitely gotta toss some hands his way. You know what I mean? Like after we have prayer over the hot dogs and stuff and the kids go to the pool or to the playground, then y'all gotta throw hands because this is ridiculous.

• 50:57Laci Mosley?

  So during this journey, Tracy says, "I connected with someone else that got a truck at the same time as me from him and she was going through the same issues, except for my cousin was being very rude and completely ignoring her." So I guess he was rude to you, but you got the family special of like he was holy ghosting you, but he was like, "I will respond every now and then because I will have to see you at the family reunion." And I know you're gonna toss those hands my way. So Tracy says, "I would fight with myself about leaving it alone and moving forward, but I was depressed and constantly reminded every day that he had scammed me. I even tried to sue him, but I didn't have any more money to try to take him to court." I'm sorry, Tracy. "One day, I came across a Google review from a woman in Maryland who had had a terrible

• 51:40Laci Mosley?

  food truck experience with my cousin. I found her business page and called the catering number. She answered and I asked her about her experiences with the food truck company. She told me her story and that there were 10 other people that she had connected with across the East Coast that had been scammed as well. We have all been in contact, but nothing has moved forward as far as legal matters. We are tired and we want justice to be served in some way. Some people never received a truck that paid for one. Some got crap trucks like me. Some have car notes on a vehicle they never received. My cousin has filed bankruptcy within the last year and now the business has been completely dissolved. He blocked all of us on social media and is now trying to start a new life in real estate."

• 52:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the scammers love to get a little realty license. They love it. That's definitely the next move. It's like, nobody can look me up. I'm constantly in homes that are empty and living a shady life. To all y'all real realtors out there, shout out to y'all, but we know that real estate is definitely on the scammers' cue card of like, okay, how do we pivot? Real estate, yes. Tracy, I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I mean, I'm glad that you at least got a truck, but it sounds like you probably could've just got a new one and not invested all this money in something that raggedy. Where was he even getting these busted ass trucks from, is my question? But no brakes is just ridiculous.

• 53:09Laci Mosley?

  At least it should have some brakes. And not these angles that he was hitting with the crack in the windshield. It sucks when it be your own people. This is your family member who was running this. I don't know if a class action lawsuit is worth it. It sounds like your cousin has already spent that money and so we might have to just move on. I hope you got a horn now. These feel like necessary things for cars. It's like, he gave you a truck and it had no seat belts, it had no brakes, it had no horn. Like, did it have an engine, girl? I'm so sorry.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  But I mean, look, it can be your own people sometimes. Tracy, I'm glad that you're snitching on your cousin. Um, I hope that you don't have to catch him at a family reunion. But if you do, like, maybe hit up that Facebook group with them other people who were scammed and y'all just show up to the family reunion together. Get them some T-shirts, too. Like, make sure they blend in and then y'all all just like, um, allegedly, I never said this, but y'all jump your cousin. I didn't say that, though. So, that's not my advice. I wouldn't recommend jumping your cousin and matching family reunion T-shirts with other, um, you know, grievance-filled people. But, you know, it's an idea. I don't know who said it, but it's an idea that you could float out there. But y'all, thank you so much for listening to this episode. I know this is a different one, right? And look, Gail did not like these scammers.

• 54:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, y'all. I love y'all out there. Thank you for writing in. [email protected]. You know, give us, give us better, but like, don't do that, what you did, allegedly.

• 54:43Laci Mosley?

  Um, or do. I don't know your life, so. If you want to see photos or anything from the episode, obviously, ScamgoddessPod on Instagram. If you want to talk to me, ScamgoddessPod on Twitter. You can email us at [email protected]. The first season of Going Dutch and Scam Goddess, they're both available on Hulu right now. And you can pick up my book wherever books are sold. Scam Goddess, we keep the brand real strong over here. And if you want to follow me and my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. Congregation, get out there and, you know, be a better cousin. That seems to be a theme this week. Be a better cousin.

• 55:32Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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