Who Is Sadhguru? | PBD Podcast #778

Mystic and yogi Sadhguru joins Patrick Bet-David to break down mortality, ambition, and inner peace. With a global following and decades of teaching, he explains why big goals guarantee failure, why peace starts within, and how modern life confuses intellect with intelligence. ------- 👍 LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE! 🪷 THE ISHA FOUNDATION: https://bit.ly/3Ot6LwD 📕 SADHGURU’S BOOK "INNER ENGINEERING": https://bit.ly/41DGHlr 📕 SADHGURU’S BOOK "DEATH": https://bit.ly/4cdZn1h 🌱 MIRACLE OF MIND APP: miracleofmind.org http://miracleofmind.org/ 🌱 INNER ENGINEERING PROGRAM: sadhguru.co/ie http://sadhguru.co/ie 🌍 SAVE SOIL MOVEMENT: https://www.savesoil.org https://www.savesoil.org/ FOLLOW SADHGURU: YOUTUBE: youtube.com/@sadhguru http://youtube.com/@sadhguru INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/sadhguru http://instagram.com/sadhguru TWITTER / X: x.com/SadhguruJV http://x.com/SadhguruJV WEBSITE: isha.sadhguru.org http://isha.sadhguru.org/ Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Life doesn't die suddenly. When we are born, we got our death sentence. We are only trying to kick the can around a bit.

• 0:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You've been a rebel since day one, since you were a kid.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  I know I will die a failure in my life, no matter what I do. My blessing is you die a blissful failure.

• 0:21Patrick Bet-David?

  If life goes as quickly as we know it does, what is the most important thing in life?

• 0:27Speaker 00

  When it's such a brief life, if you want to do little things, there's lots of time. If you want to do something big, there's not enough time. In the middle of nowhere, this planet is floating around and you and me are sitting here and blabbering like this, not knowing a damn thing. If both of us are peaceful, this room is peaceful. As simple as that.

• 0:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This place is peaceful right now? Yes?

• 0:50Speaker 00

  Depends.

• 0:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Can a successful, ruthless businessman be at peace? What would you say I should dedicate my life to?

• 1:04Speaker 00

  See, you are trying to drop like 10 commandments from whatever I'm speaking. Don't do that. What is true is only what you have experienced. Rest is all imagination and belief.

• 1:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, what a boring life though, no?

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Very wrong approach.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? You make it seem like it's easy. It's not easy to do for most people.

• 1:24Speaker 00

  It is simple. Something you should know only by experience.

• 1:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think you know?

• 2:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So a lot of students from Iran and southern India.

• 2:04Speaker 00

  They used to study there because I think that's when the revolution happened.

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Pre-revolution, you're thinking or post?

• 2:12Speaker 00

  When that happened, when the Bahá'í people, mostly Bahá'í people, were all studying in India. Like thousands of them.

• 2:20Patrick Bet-David?

  My sister married a Bahá'í guy. Yeah, Bahá'í is, they believe you can get to heaven from eight different prophets or eight different ways and they have a, it's a very interesting community. But Sadhguru, it's great to finally do this with you. Sitting down, having a conversation. We've been trying to do this for a while and, but I'm glad. I know for the audience, the audience who knows you, they know you. For the audience that doesn't know you, your students, your reach is all over the world. I mean, we were talking about the location you have in southern India, 10,000 square miles. Your location in Tennessee, 23,000 acres. You guys have that beautiful statue of 112 feet in India, which we were just talking about a minute ago, which people visit. You get billions of views. A lot of people call you rebellious

• 3:05Patrick Bet-David?

  a little bit, like you're a rebel. I don't know why you're a rebel, you know? Interesting people follow your teaching, Will Smith, Matthew McConaughey, Logan Paul and others, but it's great to finally have you here with us. So I got a simple question for you, okay? I'm 47 years old. We just celebrated my dad's 84th birthday, okay? And we know how life is. Life goes by fairly quickly, okay? I feel like just yesterday I was 23 years old, like an hourglass, right? If, if life goes as quickly as we know it does, what is the most important thing in life, in your opinion?

• 3:43Speaker 00

  You must have a vehicle like that.

• 3:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Say that again?

• 3:47Speaker 00

  You must have a vehicle like that.

• 3:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  To move fast enough.

• 3:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that one doesn't have an engine. I need an engine in that one to go fast.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  But I'm saying you must be F1.

• 3:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you really believe that? To move fast to make

• 4:01Speaker 00

  If you value your life, because for what potential a human being carries, even if you live for hundred, it's just not enough. For the potential, if you want to explore the potential of being human, if you live in a limited way, hundred years may be too much. But if you explore the full depth and dimension of what it means to be human, one hundred years is just nothing. So you need to be like an iPhone machine.

• 4:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? So for you, it's like to... The most important thing is to seek what your biggest potential is? Like what your capacity is? Get close to it?

• 4:46Speaker 00

  No, I'm not... I'm not saying I'm in a race or something. What I'm trying to say is, if you're conscious that you're mortal, which I think everybody should be, unfortunately, they're surprised always. You know, surprise means so foolishly surprised. The most obvious thing in our lives is we are mortal, we will die one day. But most people believe that other people die. They never think they will die, the other people die, they're dying people. No, no, you and me will die. So they're like, they always think...

• 5:25Patrick Bet-David?

  It'll never happen to me. I'll never get sick, I'll never get cancer. It's the other guy that's gonna happen to, but not to me. I get it. How do we deal with that? How do we deal with the fact that...

• 5:36Speaker 00

  I'll tell you. Just two years ago, there was a sage in southern India, in Karnataka. And he was 111, 111 years of age. That man spent his entire life in service. He did so much work all his life. He became a monk when he was seventeen years of age. And he lived a dedicated life. And he was still working hard and doing things, but unfortunately, he slipped and fell and broke his hip.

• 6:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is the worst thing to do at 111.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  Yes, but out of that, he didn't recover. Within a few days, he died. So all the newspapers reported, he suddenly died. They came and asked me, what do you think? This was such a great man. I said, man, at 111, how does somebody die suddenly?

• 6:26Speaker 00

  What are you guys made of? At 111, you die suddenly? No, a full life and well, you need some reason. Something has to break to die. Either your heart has to break, liver has to break, head has to break, something has to break. Well, fortunately for him, without spending too much time hanging around in a hospital, he died within three days after the fall. So I'm saying, life doesn't die suddenly. When we are born, we got our death sentence. We are only trying to kick the can around a bit. So when it's such a brief life, for the intelligence invested in us, for the potential invested in us, if you want to explore something,

• 7:11Speaker 00

  then you have to move fast.

• 7:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So you're about... There's two mindsets, okay? And I'm having a conversation with one of my friends. His name is John. And we're talking about the statement about, you know, "Time is running out. We don't have a lot of time left." And he says, "Elon Musk told me something." He says, "Elon told me, time is running out, but we also have a lot of time left." Which one do you believe in?

• 7:39Speaker 00

  I don't believe anything. The fact is, time is running quickly. It depends on what you want to do with your life. If you want to do little things, there's lots of time. If you want to do something big, there's not enough time.

• 7:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Wow. And what's the difference? Because in not enough time, the big things require more diligence, the more focus? Why do you say that?

• 8:05Speaker 00

  Well, it means it needs more effort and time. It's like this, shall I tell you my sob story?

• 8:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 8:13Speaker 00

  This happened when I was 25. One afternoon, I'm sitting somewhere and I'm fine. I'm, by that day's standards, I'm extremely successful. I've started about half a dozen businesses in about five years and all of them doing well. Everybody clapping their hands. When everything that you're doing is working well and you're young and everybody clapping their hands, slowly you're beginning to think the planets are going around you, not around the sun. So I'm saying, I'm not arrogant, but I'm a bit cocky and there, enjoying everything that's happening around me.

• 8:52Speaker 00

  And I just sat there in one place and suddenly I did not know which is me and which is not me. All that, all that, till then, my life was, this is me, that's you. I have no issues with you, but that's you, this is me.

• 9:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Suddenly, I did not know which is me, which is not me. I was sitting on a hill. Everything felt like me, like what was me was just all over the place. I thought this lasted for ten, fifteen minutes. But when I came back to my normal consciousness, about four and a half hours had passed. I didn't realize the time. For the first time in my adult life, tears were coming. Me and tears were impossible. But here I was, and then every cell in my body was dripping with ecstasy. I, I was a super skeptical person. I am skeptical about everything. And when I shook my head and asked myself, what am I doing here? What's happening?

• 9:51Speaker 00

  The only thing my mind could tell me was, maybe you're going off your rocker.

• 9:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty-five years old.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  Yes. Then I asked my closest friends, hey, something is happening to me. I'm just blissed out. If I sit here, I think it's two minutes, six, seven hours are gone. I'm just completely, you know, smashed out within myself. I said, hey, come on, what did you drink? Did you find mushrooms in the hill? This is the kind of thing, I knew there was no context for me. So I experimented with this. Then I discovered, if I simply sit here, if I remove my hands of my psychological process, every cell in my body bursts out with ecstasy. Today, we have proven this in the laboratories. Some of the top scientific laboratories in this country, we have proven this,

• 10:39Speaker 00

  that if you do this, that the bliss factor is up in a huge way. The endocannabinoids in the brain are up by seventy percent in a matter of six weeks of practice. So, when I realized, there's nothing to be done if you just simply sit here without touching your physiological process or your psychological process, every cell in the body bursts out with ecstasy. Chemistry itself becomes ecstatic. Today, we have substantial scientific evidence for this.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  Then I thought, who wouldn't want to be blissful? Free. No drug, no alcohol, no... Nothing, you don't have to go to heaven, sitting here, you are ecstatic. Who doesn't want it? So I... I was twenty-five and I sat down and made a plan. I had the world's geography in front of me and I made a plan in two-and-a-half years' time. On that day, the world's population was 4.82 or 8.84, somewhere there. And I said, "I will make the whole world blissful, the entire humanity blissful, in two-and-a-half years' time." See, it is forty-four years now.

• 11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Since twenty-five?

• 11:52Speaker 00

  Yes. It's nearly forty-five. Now, well, people say, "I've touched over two billion people." That's not my idea of the world. Eight-point-four billion, they've increased. The population almost doubled since then. Well, I know I will die a failure in my life, no matter what I do, but I will die a blissful failure. So I'm saying, a whole lot of people are setting up petty goals for themselves. And then I say, "I did it, I did it like this." What's the point of this? Human imagination, human capacity to think and project is such that if you really apply yourself, what you want to do cannot be done in one lifetime.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  So, my blessing is you die a blissful failure. If you think you're a great success, that's because you had petty goals.

• 12:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You have petty goals?

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 12:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Small goals?

• 12:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So no matter what, if somebody is pursuing big goals, you have to accept the fact that that person's gonna probably end up being a blissful failure. You're not gonna fully reach your potential.

• 13:02Speaker 00

  You cannot. It's just that if you take two steps, next generation may take two more steps or ten more steps, you don't know.

• 13:10Patrick Bet-David?

  At this phase of your life... By the way, when you're saying all this stuff, what is your core principle? Like if somebody... If somebody asked me, "Pat, you spent time with Sadhguru for a couple hours." I said, "I did." "What is his core three principles?" What would I tell that person?

• 13:25Speaker 00

  I don't have any principle. Life is my only principle.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  Everything else is made up in your head, isn't it? My principle versus your principle, we can have a fight. But if you ask this life and that life, it's the same thing. Tell me more. I'm saying, the nature of life on this planet is such, whether you take an ant, or an elephant, or a human being, fundamentally, all life wants to do the same thing. It wants to become a full-fledged life. With an ant, we know what is full-fledged. He is always striving to be a full-fledged life. Just try to restrict him and see how he will fight for it. Little guy. Elephant, of course, he will fight.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  Everybody will fight, even including a plant is fighting to be a full-fledged plant, or a tree. Only problem with a human being is, a human being does not know what is a full-fledged human being. He is always confused about it. Because in nature, nature has drawn two lines for all the other creatures. Between these two lines, they live and die. But for a human being, the top line has kind of faded away. So what is full-fledged human being is not defined. So essentially, a human being is free, but he's struggling with his freedom.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  It's like if you put a bird in a cage and feed it nicely, he becomes a fat bird. Then one day, you take away the door, but he won't fly. Most human beings are in this condition. Though evolution has removed the top line for us, we could be anything we wish to be, we don't do that. We try to live like animals, identifying with limited things. Because we've gotten used to the comfort of the cage, that we don't mind giving up the flying.

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• 18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Cage where we feel like we are locked in and we can't be free to go live the life?

• 18:07Speaker 00

  No, no, not like that, not like that. See, people are always trying to bind themselves to something or somebody or whatever. Because freedom is a scary thing.

• 18:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, I agree.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  All the identities that people are taking up, whether a family or nationhood or religion or race or whatever else, essentially they're trying to bind themselves, to define themselves. But the whole process of evolution was to get us to a place where we could be beyond definition. All other creatures are defined, they are creatures, that's why. But you are the only one who's called a being, right? We don't call an ant an ant being, an elephant an elephant being. We don't do that because they cannot choose how to be. They can only respond or react to the stimuli that comes to them. To some extent, they can decide, but it's very limited.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  But once you're a human being, irrespective of what's around you, you can choose how to be within yourself. So that is why you're a human being. Too many human beings are trying to defy that possibility and act like creatures reacting like every other creature.

• 19:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You have a 35-year-old daughter, right? We're talking about family earlier, I think you said, if I'm not mistaken. What are you telling your daughter when she's younger? Are you telling her, "Honey, you can grow up to be anything you want to be"? Or how are you shaping her mindset when she was younger?

• 19:43Speaker 00

  When she was very young, when she was three and a half months old, she started traveling with me.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  So always we are traveling different places and every other day we are in a different home because I always stayed in many people's homes. So she grew up without too much identity like that. And as a rule, I told everybody, don't teach her anything.

• 20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't teach her anything.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Yes, don't teach her A, B, C, one, two, three. Mary had a little lamb, because I don't care whether Mary had a lamb or not, okay? Just leave her alone. Because a child's intelligence is a certain kind. They are drinking in life, let them drink in life. Why are you corrupting it with your ideas and nonsense? So I told them, you can play with her, you can be with her, you can chat with her, but no teaching, anything. No nursery rhymes, no A, B, C, no one, two, three, no nothing. So she just grew up. Because I treated her like I would treat any other adult. So she never realized that she is a child. She went about doing things. When there are big issues and problems, I said, hey, this is what the issue is. What shall we do?

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Means she would come up with her own wacky answers to those situations, which is way beyond a child normally. But child has a certain intelligence. A child is much closer to life than most adults are. Instead of learning from a child how to be life, adults are busy teaching their rubbish to them all the time. So let me skip those things. And then I wouldn't have sent her to school, but my travels were too crazy. I had to send her to a school where there is minimum amount of schooling. When she was around thirteen years of age, something happened in the school which upset her. She came home and...

• 21:32Patrick Bet-David?

  At thirteen?

• 21:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then she said, you're teaching everybody so many things, you're not telling them anything. I said, see, I don't do anything unsolicited. Now that you have come, sit down. Then I said, this is all you have to do in your life. Never look up to anybody. Then she looked up, you know, eyebrows went up like this, what about you? Kind of expression on her face. I said, especially me. If you look up to me, probably you will nail me to the wall. It's no use. You must see me how I am, the way I am. It is of immense value, because I am here, there, everywhere at the same time. You must look at me just the way I am.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  Don't look up to me. Never look up to anybody.

• 22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's powerful.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Never look down on anybody. If you do not, if you look up to somebody, you will exaggerate things in a positive way. If you look down on somebody, you will invent negative things about them. If you don't look up or look down, you look level at life the way it is. Effortlessly, you will navigate your life.

• 22:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  She is a living manifestation of that today.

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What does she do today?

• 22:47Speaker 00

  She is a classical dancer.

• 22:49Patrick Bet-David?

  She's a classical dancer, oh, that's right. And her husband's a top-five classical musician, which is pretty amazing. So, never look up, never look down. If you look up, you exaggerate. If you look down, you will look for negative things.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 23:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's interesting to be thinking about. Now, your parents, mom and dad, who had a bigger influence on you as a child?

• 23:08Speaker 00

  I never was influenced by anybody. They tried, but they couldn't.

• 23:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Even when you were a kid?

• 23:13Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you've been a rebel since day one, since you were a kid?

• 23:16Speaker 00

  The thing is, these words, these are all cliched words. People say, "You're a rebel, you're this, you're revolutionary," whatever. Essentially, it's like this. For me, when I was just four-and-a-half years of age, one day I suddenly realized, "I don't know anything." "Don't know anything" means I don't know anything at all. So, if somebody gives me a glass of water, I'm staring at this water for three, four hours at a stretch because I don't know what the water is. I know I can drink it, I know how to use it, but I don't know what it is. Actually, even today, you don't know what it is. Even today, you don't know what it is.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  If you find one drop of water somewhere, in another planet, we say, "Life is possible." Yes? Seventy-two percent of your body is water. So, with all this scientific knowledge, we still do not know what one atom really is. We know how to use it, we know how to fuse it, we know how to break it, we know how to explode it on somebody else, but we don't know what it is. That's how fantastic this creation is, but we want to draw conclusions all the time.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  So, if I found a leaf, I'm just staring at it, five, six hours. If I sit up in the night in my bed, I'm just staring at the darkness for the whole night. My father, my dear father being a physician, he started thinking, "I need psychiatric evaluation," at four and a half. "Yeah, from four and a half onwards." So I'm just staring at something like this, I can't take my eyes off. Because I still don't know what this is. I can't shift my attention to something else. When I don't know what this is, how do I go to this?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 25:03Speaker 00

  So in this condition, they'll send me to school. My mother said, "You don't stare here and there, pay attention to the teacher." I went and paid attention to the teacher. The kind of attention they would have never received in their life. So initially, they're talking something. I kind of understood what they're trying to say. Then after some time, I realized, they're just making noises. I'm making up the meanings in my head. See, if I start speaking in any of the South Indian languages right now, it'll be just sounds for you, isn't it? Or if you can speak Farsi, it's just sound for me.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  Language is a conspiracy between both of us. I make one sound, you make up the meaning. So when I realized, I was just four and a half, I realized, they're just making sounds, I'm the one who's making meanings in my head. Hour after hour, different teachers come, they make noises, noises and go. So I decided not to make meanings out of it, just listen to it, full attention. I'm listening, listening, listening, the funny sounds they're making, making, making. It was so amusing, there are big smiles spread on my face. But they were not amused. So my schooling went like this, most of the time I got lost on the way. Sometimes I went, when they caught me. Otherwise, mostly I got lost.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  And about seventeen, seventeen, eighteen years ago, I think, this school where I studied over fifty-five years ago, they came and said that it is their hundred and twenty-fifth anniversary and I must come. I said, "Please sir," the trustees had come, "let's see, I'm not a good example for your students." I'm not just a not-good student, I was not even a student.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  I only came there when it was absolutely necessary. Otherwise, I never came there. Why me? Then they said, "Our school has produced federal ministers. Our school has produced film stars."

• 27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So you went to a very good school? It was a good private school?

• 27:13Speaker 00

  Uh, it was reasonably, yes.

• 27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 27:16Speaker 00

  I don't know whether it's good or not. I was not a judge of that school.

• 27:21Patrick Bet-David?

  It produced you, federal ministers, so it's like...

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Federal ministers, film stars, cricketing stars.

• 27:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Private school, private school?

• 27:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, private school.

• 27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  How many students total?

• 27:29Speaker 00

  That school must have been fifteen hundred.

• 27:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so it's a good-sized school?

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  So, "You are the only mystic. You must come." I said, "Okay," and I went there. So the same quarter angle, the same oppressive buildings all around you. I just looked around. Couple of big trees which was there when I was a student there. That was also gone. They had built something else up there. Then I looked around, what to say to these people? Then I saw this classroom and I suddenly remembered. I was twelve years of age. One afternoon, the teacher is asking me some question. By then, I have come to a place. If I look at you, I know your past, present, and future, but I don't hear what you're saying. I can see so many things, but, you know,

• 28:17Speaker 00

  my attention is such that the sounds that you utter are just going somewhere, but I know everything about other things that are happening within you. So the teacher is asking some question. I'm full attention. I'm not distracted, full attention. But I don't hear what he says. So for about thirty-five minutes, he makes effort to get some response from me. Those are times when I did not speak for days on end, because when you don't know anything, what do you say? I played. I went to the field and played every day. But classroom, I escaped. Because they want me to talk this and that. I don't want to talk something that I don't know.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  So after thirty-five minutes, he got so mad with me. He held me by the shoulder, shook me violently like this.

• 29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Teacher?

• 29:09Speaker 00

  "Uh, you must be either the divine or the devil. I think you are the latter."

• 29:17Speaker 00

  Till then, my problem was, what is this? What is that? What is... I have a billion questions, a cloud of questions around me. Because I don't know anything. One thing I was sure of, this is me. This guy confused me about this also. Is this divine? Is this devil? What the hell is this? Then I tried to look, stare at myself. It didn't work, so I started closing my eyes. My journey began. Initially, minutes, hours, days. I close my eyes, close my eyes, close my eyes. And here I am.

• 29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So meditation was a big part of your life?

• 29:55Speaker 00

  It... I wouldn't call it meditation, because the English word meditation doesn't mean anything. It's just intensity of life.

• 30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Intensity of life?

• 30:05Speaker 00

  Yep. See, all you got is just life. Rest is all made up in your head. Have you seen... have you been to anybody's funeral?

• 30:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Many.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Many? Oh, why? What happened to you?

• 30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm in the insurance business. We sold a lot of policies.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  I thought it happened in Iran.

• 30:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. Iran, military, insurance business? You know, you get clients that pass away. But yeah, I've been to many.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you been to many?

• 30:32Speaker 00

  No, I've been.

• 30:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  So if you go to this thing, the funeral, that guy is lying down. They are properly dressed and proper posture. That guy never had such a good posture in his life. Now he is proper, like that.

• 30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  You go and tell him, yesterday he was hopping around for many things. Tell him, you won the Tennessee State Lottery, hundred and thirty million dollars. You think he's going to sit up?

• 30:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  Why is he not interested? You tell him, we found a huge diamond in your backyard. Will he sit up?

• 31:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  The... when you're a young man, whatever you are interested in, underclothed young woman, you talk about them, will he sit up?

• 31:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  What happened to him? He lost only one thing, life. How come he's lost interest in all these things? Because that's all you have. Rest of it is goddamn imagination, isn't it? Your misunderstanding, your psychological activity as an existential process. This is the biggest problem with human beings. Your drama, your thinking is life. Drama that's happening in your head in the form of thoughts and emotions. Your thinking, it's life itself. It's not life, it's your drama. You can conduct it whichever way you want. Because you're such a bad director of this drama, you think life is going wrong.

• 31:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Because you're such a bad director of this drama, you think life is going wrong.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Tell me, if your thoughts and emotions just happen the way you want, will you be blissed out every moment?

• 32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  If it's the way...

• 32:06Speaker 00

  You want?

• 32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Why don't you do that? That's all I did. I have not fixed the whole world. I fix myself.

• 32:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. It's a very hard thing to... You make it seem like it's easy. It's not easy to do for most people. Well, tell us how simple it is. Because, you know, ninety-five, ninety-nine percent of the world has a hard time with this.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  Say, do one thing. You are in Miami. You see only sunrises, probably. But you do one thing. Tomorrow, you face west and try to watch the sunrise.

• 32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  Maybe you'll break your neck. It's very hot.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  So if you try to do something the wrong way,

• 32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  it'll be very hot.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  What... how you do things outside, if you try to do the same... if you try to employ the same method to do the subjective thing,

• 32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:59Speaker 00

  of course, it'll be very hot.

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• 35:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What, from your experience, having dealt with as many people as you have, what do we waste most of our lives thinking about that we shouldn't be?

• 35:46Speaker 00

  Thinking itself is a waste of time.

• 35:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me more.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  See, a human being has intelligence and intellect.

• 36:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Intelligent and intellect.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 36:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  There is intelligence, there is intellect. What did you have for lunch or breakfast today?

• 36:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Alper, my Turkish chef, made me some Turkish food. It was good salad, good soup, and whatever the meat was, it was tender. It was good.

• 36:22Speaker 00

  Somebody died for you, all right.

• 36:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's all I can tell you.

• 36:25Speaker 00

  So, whatever you eat, whatever that is,

• 36:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh huh.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Plant, animal, this, that, are you using your intellect and digesting it? Or there's a deeper intelligence which is doing all this and making this into human body?

• 36:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm now using intellect.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  There's a deeper intelligence which is doing that.

• 36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, yeah, for sure.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  So, there is intelligence and there is intellect. Intellect works only with the limited data that you have gathered, yes or no?

• 36:58Speaker 00

  Can you think of something that you've never encountered?

• 37:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I think of something I've never encountered?

• 37:04Speaker 00

  Never encountered, never heard of, you were not conscious of it. Can you think about that?

• 37:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I think of something I've nev... Can I imagine a life I've never encountered? Yes. Can I think of something I've never encountered?

• 37:15Speaker 00

  No, no, no, you cannot imagine. You will imagine something which is an exaggeration of what you already know.

• 37:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  You cannot think of something which is simply not... for which there's no data inside.

• 37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, maybe I gotta find the mushrooms you took forty years ago, because maybe, maybe...

• 37:33Speaker 00

  I didn't take the mushrooms.

• 37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, you were, you were telling me, you thought you were on mushroom.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  Others thought I was on mushroom.

• 37:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so...

• 37:40Speaker 00

  See, your intellect works only on data. Your intelligence is not of that sort. Your intelligence is life itself. Life is an intelligent process. So, instead of being that intelligence,

• 37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  you've given too much value this... to this intellect. This entire thing has happened because, I don't know, people may think it's controversial, uh, but this human thought has become very important only because of European influence on the world. Otherwise, in India, we don't attach any importance to what you think. You can think whatever you want, because we know you can't think anything beyond your data.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Can your computer operate beyond its data? No. Then why are people so insecure about AI? Because they know it will handle data better than them.

• 38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  It's the fear. Some people are fearing that.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  Yes, because it will handle data better than them.

• 38:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  See, we have created a world where if you read three books, you can become a school teacher and screw up the next generation of people. You read ten books, you become a professor and bore the hell out of people. You read just one book and you become an agent of God.

• 38:59Speaker 00

  I read nothing and people accuse me that I am a mystic. This is strange world.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  So with little data, people have been running businesses for a long time. Now, a simple machine, your phone, can carry a million times more data than your brains. So people are feeling insecure.

• 39:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think there's any benefit to math?

• 39:25Speaker 00

  Do, mathematics?

• 39:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Mathematics.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  Well, that's the only thing which is, which, which human beings have kind of come to, which can connect with the physical realities of the existence if you take it to a certain level.

• 39:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there a benefit to it? Because you're saying, "Don't think." So if you're saying you're in school, you're not listening to the teacher. Do we need math? Do we not need math?

• 39:48Speaker 00

  Mathematics is not because of your thinking, because of observation.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  These ten fingers are there because you're thinking you have ten or because it is there?

• 39:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It is there.

• 39:59Speaker 00

  It is there.

• 39:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  So we just learn to count it in a certain way.

• 40:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  But it is already there, isn't it?

• 40:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 40:07Speaker 00

  Yes. So we didn't invent it. It is there, we observed it.

• 40:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, but you are taught mathematics as if you're saying at twenty-five, you had a half a dozen businesses, you had to be good in numbers, no?

• 40:22Speaker 00

  Of course. Because I have ten fingers too.

• 40:25Patrick Bet-David?

  But I hope you made more than ten dollars.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  A lot more.

• 40:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then you don't have a million fingers. I know you've done well.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  It's just, see, we're Indians, we invented the zero. We know how to add zero to ten.

• 40:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 40:40Speaker 00

  How many zeros is the question, that's all, right?

• 40:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, right, so, but, but when you say, when you say, you know, the idea of not needing to learn.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  No, no, no, I'm not saying there's no need to learn. All I'm saying is, there is no distinction between intelligence and intellect. Intellect, let's say intellect is in one part of your head, and it's like your phone. There are a lot of people who are addicted to the phone, they can't keep it down, they're going into rehabilitation.

• 41:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  So this is the same condition. You don't know how to keep your intellect aside and just employ the other aspects of your life. All the time it's on. From what? From the limited data that you have. Same things it's repeating in permutations and combinations. It cannot come up with anything new. But your intelligence is not like that. If you give it necessary focus, it'll penetrate into anything and open doors in the universe.

• 41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm. You said something to your daughter, you said, "I, I won't teach anyone unsolicited." Why is that? Why is that a...

• 41:48Speaker 00

  Because it won't work.

• 41:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Because it's, like, the whole concept, the one the student is ready...

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Unless one is receptive,

• 41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  what is the point pouring things on them?

• 41:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 41:59Speaker 00

  You go and pour water on a rock, will a tree grow out of it?

• 42:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  No, you have to wait for it to melt down to become soil.

• 42:06Patrick Bet-David?

  When do you know that the student's ready?

• 42:08Speaker 00

  Huh?

• 42:09Patrick Bet-David?

  When do you know the student's ready?

• 42:10Speaker 00

  I can see the eagerness in their face.

• 42:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Purely based on the eagerness.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  The people ask me, "Sadhguru, how long will you live?" I said, "The day I see any boredom in your faces, I'll be gone. If I don't see thirst in your faces, I'll be gone."

• 42:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Who do you think you are? Like, if the average person, who do you think you are? If the mirrors put in front of you, who do you think Sadhguru is?

• 42:38Speaker 00

  Just pure life. No mess up with anything. No philosophy, no ideology, no belief system, no nothing. I have not been messed by the world in which I live. I'm just the way the creator intended life to be.

• 42:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Lot of siblings? Lot of siblings, brothers, sisters, or no?

• 43:00Speaker 00

  Brother, one, two sisters, one passed away.

• 43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And where are you at in the... Sorry to hear about one of your sisters, but...

• 43:07Speaker 00

  I'm the last one, so...

• 43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the youngest?

• 43:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Which makes sense. Have you ever seen these videos when it's four kids? And the youngest one is the most vibrant, craziest one out of all of them? We have four kids. And our youngest one is very different than the other three. Do you think there's something there where you kind of watch your siblings, or no?

• 43:28Speaker 00

  No. I didn't pay attention to them. I knew them very well, but close, but... I was close, very close to the family and friends, but I was aloof too, very aloof. I just spent a lot of time in the jungles, forest areas around the city. If I found 10 rupees at that time, I bought two loaves of bread and a couple of eggs, and I disappeared into the jungle. When I ran out of food after three days, four days, I came back. So, there would be searches all over, police complaints and everything. But after some time, they realized wherever he goes, he comes back.

• 44:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Even till today? Even till today, you find yourself going back home?

• 44:14Speaker 00

  No, there are too many homes all over, so... Wherever I go, I say it's my home, so no problem.

• 44:22Patrick Bet-David?

  That's interesting. What would you say, you know, for someone like you? I'm curious what, how you would answer this. What do you think is your biggest accomplishment in life?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  I have no accomplishments.

• 44:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You said you don't have any accomplishments?

• 44:36Speaker 00

  No, I don't think so. I'm just doing my best, that's about it. I don't make a big deal about what's happened. Because I know, I, in my, in my perception, I'm not even doing 2% of what I can do. Because to create situations which are conducive, to create what you can do is very difficult in the world.

• 45:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Why?

• 45:01Speaker 00

  Because to convince everybody that it's, this is possible, to make them see this is possible to do this. I told you, I thought I will get everybody blissed out in two and a half years' time. But everybody is so invested in their miseries, you can't get them out of it, though they want to be blissful. It's not that they don't want. They want to be, but they can't make up their mind.

• 45:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's interesting. What's been, what's been the most difficult thing you dealt with? Even today? Do you have challenges with anything in your life that you have a hard time with?

• 45:37Speaker 00

  There are many, many challenges every day. There's no day without challenges. But I don't have a hard time with it. Because I, I don't give myself a hard time. And I have not given this freedom to anybody that they can give me a hard time.

• 45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So you don't give people the freedom to give you a hard time?

• 45:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 46:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So how does one do that?

• 46:03Speaker 00

  See, because the, this is possible because I am not a vested interest in any way. Right now, I get hundred people together and start doing this. If fifty people in that just go the wrong way or don't do it, drop it halfway, I will try to inspire them, get they, get it done. But whether that's done or not done is not of any consequence to me personally. It's useful to people. If it happens, it's good for the world. Well, if you, you are the world if you don't want to do it. That’s about it. So wherever I see any possibility, I start something. People are always scared, “Sadhguru, if it doesn’t work, what to do?”

• 46:48Speaker 00

  I said, “If it doesn’t work, what? What’s the problem if it doesn’t work? We made an attempt, it didn’t work.” So just about anything, whether it’s agriculture, environment, health, education, you name it, in every field I’m there. Now many things have come to such a scale that we have become global leaders in some of those things. But many other things have not worked. But I don’t think they are failures. At least we made an attempt. Maybe somebody else will carry it on tomorrow. But the important thing as a human being, if you do not do what you cannot do, no problem. But if you do not do what you can do, you’re a disastrous life in my perception. I don’t want myself or anybody around me to be that kind of disastrous, because

• 47:33Speaker 00

  this is the problem with most human beings. They’re not even doing what they can do, because they have fear of failure. What is failure in this life? You’ll die one day, hello? Everything that you think must happen, you attempt. It may happen, it may not happen. Because for anything to happen, the situations have to be conducive. World has to receive you. World may reject some things that you say. Well, big people, well Gautam Buddha was poisoned, Manzoor was poisoned, Jeeves was nailed, well, you can say they are failure. They’re not failure, they did what they could do.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  People were who they were around them.

• 48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you read a lot? Are you a big reader or no?

• 48:22Speaker 00

  One time, way back. But I don’t get much time to read anymore.

• 48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  One time, way back?

• 48:29Speaker 00

  See, what I did was, after I finished my high school... I took a year's break because I decided I'll educate myself. I don't want to go through the education because it was quite silly for me to go sit in a classroom and they're talking some stupid stuff for one hour, which is in five minutes you could know this. So I took a break and this was a time when my family, who in India, education is valued as the most sacred thing, you know, in that generation.

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  In a big way.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Huge way.

• 49:02Patrick Bet-David?

  In a big way. I mean, you know, you guys got IIT, you guys got, the whole culture is about education.

• 49:07Speaker 00

  Especially if your father is a physician, you have to become a physician, it's compulsory.

• 49:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Did any of the kids become, any of the siblings?

• 49:15Speaker 00

  No, all three failed, they didn't go. So everything came on me. So my father is like academically very top guy in his time. He studied with a lot of hardship and he has preserved his textbooks, medical textbooks, his notes, handwritten notes, piles and piles of notes. He someday wants his children to take up all this stuff. So he's telling me all this. I said, Sis, I'm not going to be a doctor, that's for sure. Don't pin this on me. I said, I'll educate myself, I don't want to go to college anymore. I'll finish my high school and then I decided I'll go spend time in the library.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  Masjid University had a fantastic library, it still has, I think. So morning nine o'clock it opens, closes at eight in the evening. At that time, I was so physically active, you know, I was like all over the place doing all kinds of things, in the jungles, climbing mountains, all kinds of stuff. You won't believe what all I did.

• 50:20Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what age?

• 50:21Speaker 00

  From the age of eleven, twelve onwards. So now I'm eighteen and I've just cleared my high school and I don't want to go to the university, which is unbelievable in my family, that you don't want to educate yourself is like a crime. It's not just a simple sabbatical as it is seen today. At that time, it was, if you don't go to the university, your life is finished. That's the understanding. So I went and sat in the Mysore Library, Mysore University Library. At 9:00 AM, when it opens, I'm there. I eat a big breakfast at home and go because I'm such a big eater at that time.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  I would eat almost 10 to 12 times of what I'm eating today.

• 51:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 51:08Speaker 00

  Really. I never put on weight because my metabolism was like that and my activity was like that. So I'm not somebody who can bear hunger, I have to eat. But that one year, I ate only one breakfast and came back in the night and ate dinner. It was huge suffering physically. But I sat there and read just anything and anything, from Popular Mechanics to Homer, to National Geographics, to this and that. Literature, philosophy, particularly geography caught my attention. I read a lot about the world geography. That one year, I gobbled up lots of books, lots.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  How long ago was that? How long ago was that?

• 51:50Speaker 00

  I was 18.

• 51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So you have not read anything since then?

• 51:53Speaker 00

  Not much. I read some literature because I found a taste for literature. But in the last 20, 25 years, I hardly can even read a newspaper. When I'm in India, I get to read newspaper. Here, even getting a newspaper is tough. I can't read on those iPads and all, I don't feel like it's a real thing to read.

• 52:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you, do you think reading is a waste of time? You think there's benefit in reading? How do you view reading?

• 52:18Speaker 00

  See, I'm not reading for, let's say, I never read anything spiritual, ever.

• 52:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Not the Bible, not the Buddhism, none of, nothing?

• 52:29Speaker 00

  I read literature. I loved literature. I read a lot of poetry, I wrote a lot of poetry. And I also, I read a lot about world geography.

• 52:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Why geography? Why interest in geography?

• 52:44Speaker 00

  Land always took me. You know, I cycled across South India just to see the land. Then I crisscrossed India on my motorcycle many times over. At that time. So, because for me, the land, not going anywhere in particular, simply end to end till I hit the border. I go and again turn back and ride another direction. Like that I rode. Because for me, drinking up the land, even today, I just do those kind of rides. I rode across Canada. I rode to Tibet last year.

• 53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you're big on motorcycles. You definitely like to do that.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  It's not about the motorcycle, it's about the land.

• 53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not about the motorcycle, it's about the land.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  The very many features of the land, the way, the way the world is. This is the planet we live on, all right? If you're not interested in that, then what?

• 53:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you only have one kid? Why one kid?

• 53:36Speaker 00

  I said only one mistake I make, I never repeat my mistakes.

• 53:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that really why?

• 53:40Speaker 00

  Actually, I never wanted to have children, but my wife said, she felt that she may feel that she has missed that experience of having a child. So I said, okay. Now my daughter decided not to have children.

• 53:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Why didn't you want children? Why didn't you want children?

• 53:58Speaker 00

  I had a lot to do on everybody's mind. All the people who are with me, they are more than my children.

• 54:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But you didn't want to have more kids? You didn't want to have five, ten kids?

• 54:09Speaker 00

  I have millions of them.

• 54:10Patrick Bet-David?

  But your own blood, that didn't, that didn't do anything for you? As a man growing up, that you wanted more kids?

• 54:15Speaker 00

  It's up to you whether you have children of your blood or of your spirit. For me, children who are of my spirit are more important than blood.

• 54:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why?

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Because it's more significant.

• 54:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Children of your spirit are more important than the children of your blood?

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:34Patrick Bet-David?

  More significant?

• 54:35Speaker 00

  It is.

• 54:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're saying you could have a child of your blood that is not of your spirit?

• 54:41Speaker 00

  No, no, no. It can be of your spirit also, but for that, you don't have to be of your blood.

• 54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think is the biggest accomplishment in a man's life? You hear different proverbs, you know, will say a man should do three things in his lifetime. Have a child, you know, plant a tree, write a book. What do you think is the biggest accomplishment for a man? You know, this whole thing with V800 and PBD Podcast started with a phone, me and Mario. That's it. And it grew today to, you know, 15 million subscribers almost and 164 full-time employees. And that relationship, are you watching us and supporting us wouldn't happen without you. But did you know 51% of you that watch the content are not subscribed to the channel? And it would mean the world to us if you could press that subscribe button and notification. Why?

• 55:28Patrick Bet-David?

  It allows us to grow, hire more, do bigger interviews, have a bigger team and deliver a better product to you. So if you haven't yet, if you don't mind, press that subscribe button. It would mean the world to us. Thank you so much.

• 55:41Speaker 00

  Well, plant a tree. It's not an accomplishment, it's a sensible thing to do. Have a child. Well, not a must now because we are already 8.4, 8.5 billion people.

• 55:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think we have plenty?

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Huh?

• 55:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You think we have plenty?

• 55:59Speaker 00

  We are more than plenty. In the beginning of 20th century, we were 1.6 billion people. Today, we are 8.5 billion people. We are wonderful, but we are just too many. There are a whole lot of people who will start a campaign against me. Oh, he's depopulation person. It's not about depopulation, it's about sensible living. The only problem we have on this planet is the human footprint, isn't it?

• 56:27Patrick Bet-David?

  The only problem we have is a human footprint?

• 56:29Speaker 00

  Human footprint is too large.

• 56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's what it is?

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Suppose you were an ant, you would understand what I'm saying. If you were a microbe, you would understand. If you were a bird, you would understand. If you were any other creature on this planet, you would understand. Human footprint is too large. In the last 70 years, 74% of the vertebrate population on the planet has disappeared.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Eighty-two percent of the insect population has disappeared. Ninety-two percent of the freshwater life has disappeared. We are just working towards our own extinction. Because without us, they can live. Without them, we cannot live. So, when will we come to our senses? If you talk about this, now there is competition between religions. This religion is producing more children, so another religion wants to produce more children. This debate is going on big time in India. Well, all of us will go towards destruction like this. One thing is, individual human beings' footprint is too large compared to what it was hundred years ago. What ten men used to consume, today one man is consuming.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  Or what hundred people used to consume, one man is consuming. Just look at this. Your grandfather, how many sets of clothes he had and what you have? You have twenty-five times more than him, yes or no?

• 57:50Patrick Bet-David?

  True.

• 57:51Speaker 00

  Unless he was a Maharaja or something.

• 57:52Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, true.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  So, our footprint as it is, is larger. Our aspirations are larger. You can't curtail human aspiration. But you can manage or plan human population. But we are in competition, my blood versus your blood. Well, both the bloods will spill one day.

• 58:10Speaker 06

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• 59:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh.

• 59:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Yeah, I wonder, because if somebody asked me right now and said, "Okay, what did you pick up from the conversation?" I would say, one, pursue your potential. If you want to do something big, you don't have a lot of time. If you want to do a lot of small things, you have a lot of time. Take your time. You're fine, right? Okay, that's one thing I took away from you. Accomplishment is, hey, what should I dedicate my life to? What would you say I should dedicate my life to? Is the answer gonna be, to each his own, whatever you want to dedicate it to? Is there anything worth dedicating my life to?

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  See, there's only one thing that human being or any other creature seeks, its own well-being. His well-being is in its becoming a full-fledged life, isn't it? A tree, if you go beneath the earth and see how the plants are fighting among themselves to become full-fledged life, so is an insect, so is a bird, so is an animal, so is a human being. Only thing is, human potential, as I said, is not defined. It's left to you, how far you want to go.

• 1:00:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  So when this is the case, if we think of doing everything physically, innovatively, we'll be in conflict. Let's look at it this way. See, whoever you are right now, you want to be something more than who you are right now, isn't it?

• 1:01:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Everybody, I'm sorry.

• 1:01:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  So if that something more happens right now, then what?

• 1:01:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Then more.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Something more.

• 1:01:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Okay, that happened, what?

• 1:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  More.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  Something more.

• 1:01:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  So how much more will settle you?

• 1:01:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Oh, you already know this, you're enlightened. No, it means I don't think we ever will. That's what I'm saying. If I make you the king of this planet, will you settle down? No, you will look at the moon. Sure. If I give you the moon, will you settle down? You look at the rest of the solar system. If I give you one galaxy, will you settle down? You look at the next one. Because there is something within a human being which doesn't like boundaries. So, you want to expand boundlessly. Right. If you want to expand boundlessly, you and me will naturally become conflict if you try to do it physically. Physically, if you try to become boundless, is there a conflict or not, right now?

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  If you try to occupy this whole room, is there a conflict between the other people who are here in this room or not? Immediately, there is. Not right now, but I mean, it, it, maybe not for me, but... No, no, no. You, you want to expand physically. Sure. So, you want to occupy all the space. Right. Naturally, there's conflict with somebody else because I also want to expand. Yes, competition. Yes. Yes. So, I'm saying, once you realize your fundamental goal is to expand limitlessly, you must understand it cannot be done physically. The moment you realize that, that is when you turn spiritual. Cannot be done physically, cannot be done physically because you're limited. No. Physical is a defined boundary. Right.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  You call something physical only because it has a defined boundary. If I take away all the boundaries of your body, you don't have physicality left, isn't it? So, but the longing to expand is limitless. So, obviously, it cannot be done physically. Is that a bad thing to be that ambitious? Is there, is there, is there a time where... No, no, no, you're, no, no, you're not getting me. This is not about ambition. This is the fundamental nature of our consciousness. It wants to expand limitlessly. What you call as ambition is a constipated condition of your consciousness. Constipated ambition of your consciousness? Your ambition is a constipated expression of your consciousness.

• 1:03:39Speaker 00

  Your consciousness wants to expand limitlessly. Your ambition wants to do it little by little.

• 1:03:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Because it understands life only physically.

• 1:03:51Patrick Bet-David?

  It only understands life physically.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Everything that's physical about you, where did you get this from?

• 1:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm? Everything that's physical about me, where did I get it from? Where did I get it from?

• 1:04:02Speaker 00

  The Turkish guy today.

• 1:04:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. That's right.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  The food that you have eaten, right?

• 1:04:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  The food that you have eaten.

• 1:04:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  So from this being this big baby, you became like this.

• 1:04:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  Just the food that you have eaten. Where did that come from?

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  From the soil that you walk upon. So what you call as myself physically, physically is just a piece of this planet. You picked it up. But suddenly you're thinking, this is me. It's like this. There is water in this glass.

• 1:04:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  This is not me, right now. If I drink it, does it become me or not?

• 1:04:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if it becomes you.

• 1:04:43Speaker 00

  You seventy-two percent of your body is water.

• 1:04:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but I don't know.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  Where did it come? You picked it up from Mars, is it?

• 1:04:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You drink it.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 1:04:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  So that's how this will become me if I drink it?

• 1:04:53Patrick Bet-David?

  It'll become you temporarily until you go to the bathroom.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  Not everything will go to the bathroom.

• 1:04:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Not all of it, yeah.

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  Yes. Some of it will become me or no?

• 1:05:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, absolutely.

• 1:05:03Speaker 00

  What we drank yesterday, ten years ago, has become us or no?

• 1:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:05:08Speaker 00

  There's blood in your body, I think so.

• 1:05:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  What do you think?

• 1:05:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  So, I'm saying what you eat and drink, all came from the planet.

• 1:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  You borrow something, you eat and make it a part of yourself.

• 1:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me ask you this. You said something about boundaries, competition, you know, physical, all of that.

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  Constipation, I said.

• 1:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. So, on the, on the physical side, there's a lot of wars going on right now. There's a lot of conflict.

• 1:05:32Speaker 00

  We'll come there. But let's address the human problem. Because if you don't understand the human problem, you think war is political. No, it's human.

• 1:05:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I know that. And I, and I think the, the part I'm, the part I'm trying to, uh, uh, uh, qualify with you is, is, is there a, you know how they say, let's do a peace deal? Sadhguru, let's do a peace deal. Let's do a peace deal. Is there such a thing as peace in a world when everybody has different beliefs and different ideologies and different religions?

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  They're saying, let's enjoy this weekend.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  They're just saying, "Let's enjoy this weekend." Right. "Pass on the problem to our children and go away." Huh. And what would you say to them?

• 1:06:19Speaker 00

  It's...

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  It's inane.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  If not insane, I didn't say insane. I said inane way of handling life. Because, you know, there was a time when people were inviting me to all kinds of world peace conferences. Hmm. I genuinely believed these people are working for it and I went for a few global ones.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  Then I realized, for a whole lot of these people, conference hopping is a profession by itself. Hmm.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Then one very big one where forty-two, what do you say? Nobel laureates are attending this. They invited me to speak there. I went. Day one, I sat there and heard everybody, everybody reading out their speeches. All Nobel laureates, Nobel laureates.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  And day two, post-lunch, there's one Nobel laureate speaking and then I'm speaking. I'm in the front row, listening to every word, thinking, "Really, we are working for world peace?" Then this man comes and puts his file down and the podium and... He never looked up. He just read, read, read. I just sat there counting pages and listening to every word. Forty-two pages he read.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  Then I looked around. The whole hall, except the hotel's security people and the staff were standing. Everybody's asleep. Asleep? Ah. I thought, "This is really world peace, you know?"

• 1:07:56Speaker 00

  "It is world peace." He was that bad. And then, my turn to speak, I went up. Most of them are like this. Then with my bullhorn voice, "Oh," I chanted. Then everybody sat up, "What is this?" Then I said, "Here we are talking about world peace. How many of you can genuinely put your heart on, a hand on your heart and say, 'Your mind is peaceful'?"

• 1:08:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm hmm.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  They were at least honest enough. They said, "No, our mind is not peaceful."

• 1:08:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:08:27Speaker 00

  I said, "If you can't make your mind peaceful, how the hell are you going to make this world peaceful? Where are there millions and millions of minds working at once?"

• 1:08:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm hmm.

• 1:08:37Speaker 00

  "On every aspect, you can't keep your mind peaceful, but you want to make the world peaceful." Making the world peaceful essentially means we can make eight billion people's minds peaceful one way or the other, isn't it?

• 1:08:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm hmm. How do you do that though?

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  Then I...

• 1:08:54Patrick Bet-David?

  When everybody thinks in a different way.

• 1:08:55Speaker 00

  Then after the session was over, I inquired, "How come uniformly everybody was sleeping?" "That no, Sadhguru, yesterday evening, there was a Bacardi festival." "Oh, free alcohol, free alcohol was flowing and everybody is peaceful."

• 1:09:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  "That is how people are trying to be peaceful now." "Soak your brains in alcohol in the weekend," or there are more potent things in Florida, I'm sure, "to make them peaceful."

• 1:09:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Florida, Florida have more than alcohol. You, you gotta think bigger than that.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:09:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Miami, yeah.

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  They have more potent stuff to make them peaceful.

• 1:09:28Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  See, if you knock out your brains, you will be peaceful. If we remove half your brain, you will be always peaceful like this.

• 1:09:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  So essentially, you do not know how to handle your own intelligence. That's the only problem human being has, isn't it? If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful. You wouldn't need anybody's help.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  If you had a brain of who?

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  Earthworm. And you would be eco-friendly too.

• 1:09:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm hmm. Interesting. So, so then the question...

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  No, it's not interesting. It's a fact.

• 1:10:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But I, but I wanna, I wanna stay on this though. What do we do? Is, is it more to accept the fact that if we all have different values and principles and things and religion and God and whatever you wanna say, are we forcing people to get along? Is that like a, an impossible thing? Cause more these guys talk about peace, the more I'm hearing forced than I see peace. Cause peace means freedom is out. You better listen to me to be at peace. How do we do that?

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  I must tell you this. I was to speak at Tel Aviv a few years ago. Before all these situations happen. I am flying from Atlanta. Some technical issue with the airplane and it got delayed. I was supposed to land at eleven in the morning, speak at six thirty in the evening, but I landed at six in the evening. I am flying an American airline. You know, there is nothing edible on the plane. They are throwing some dog parts to you, which I don't eat. So I am famished by the time I land there. Six o'clock I land. I have no time, so I change quickly in the airport and rush.

• 1:11:12Speaker 00

  And this never happens to me, but on that day, I am speaking in a fine restaurant in Tel Aviv. I thought, this is a great place when you are this hungry. This is the best place to come, but I have no time to eat. I can at least imbibe the smells. As I walk in, people have already come in, many of them, and they are greeting me. And one guy comes and says, shalom. I ask him, what does it mean? He says, this is the highest way of greeting. I said, that's your opinion. Tell me, what does it mean? He said, no, no, it's really the highest way of greeting. I said, it's all right, what does the word mean? He said, it means peace.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  I said, see, in South India, where I am from, in the morning, I go and tell somebody, peace. He will ask, what's wrong with you? Whatever you denied of for a long period of time, will become the highest goal in your life. If I deny you food Wow. for five days, then, you know, there is a joke in India, that if you go and ask a beggar, how much is two plus two? He says, four chapatis.

• 1:12:28Speaker 00

  Right? Your consciousness gets filled with those things you're deprived of. So you come to America, everybody's saying, "Love is God, God is love." Arre, love is a human emotion. Human beings needed to be pleasant to each other. Whether people are saying the core of universe is love. Why the hell does core of universe to be loving, huh? It has enough gravity to hold things together, I am glad. I am not expecting core of universe to be loving to me. You as a human being, if you're loving, you feel pleasant and wonderful within you. Your emotions are pleasant. Or let me put it this way. See, being pleasant is important for a human being. Experience being pleasant.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  If your body is pleasant, we call this health. You want it? Say yes or no, man. Health? Health. Yes. See, clear yes. Absolutely. Not to me. Every cell in your body must hear it. It's very important. Oh, listen, I definitely want health, especially after I tore my ACL two days ago. So I, I, I want a lot of health. (Laughs) Yes. Tell all the cells in your body, "I want health." Because those guys can mess up your life so badly. Hmm. If they misunderstand you. If I say, "Do you want health?" You suppo- suppose they don't understand what you want. So pleasantness in the body is called health. If it became very pleasant. Yeah. We call it pleasure. You want it?

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  Yes. If your mind becomes pleasant, we call it peace. You want it? Absolutely. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it joy. Huh? Absolutely, all day. If your emotions become pleasant, we call it love. All day, twice on Sunday. (Laughs) If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  If your very life energies become pleasant, we call this blissfulness. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success. Only to create pleasantness in your surroundings, you need the cooperation of many forces around you. But pleasantness of body, pleasantness of mind, pleasantness of emotion and pleasantness of energy is 100% your business. If this one thing everybody gets, they being wonderful human beings, is a reality. Right now, somebody thinks it's in a bottle, somebody thinks it's in heaven, somebody thinks it's in a philosophy, somebody thinks it's in a man or a woman.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  Everybody is trying to squeeze it for somewhere, from somewhere. But a simple reality is this: Human experiences are manufactured within yourself. Human experiences are caused from within. What is within, if you try to squeeze it from outside, what will happen? Let me tell you this story. A potato farmer, one day had a desire to eat apples. So he went to the apple tree. But out of sheer habit, he started digging for apples. He dug quite a bit and no apples. So he dug furiously. Then the tree came down on him. This is the reality of the human being right now.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  For what is inside, you're digging up the whole goddamn world, turning it upside down in pursuit of human happiness and well-being. That is what is destroying the world, isn't it?

• 1:16:06Patrick Bet-David?

  It is. So I'm trying to see what I took away from what you said.

• 1:16:10Speaker 00

  In is the only way out. You want to write down, in is the only way out.

• 1:16:14Patrick Bet-David?

  In is the only way out.

• 1:16:16Speaker 00

  Out, if you're looking for well-being.

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• 1:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So you haven't answered my question yet, though. So, world peace.

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  We'll come to world peace. You've not even handled the human being yet.

• 1:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that, I understand that. But what I'm...

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  See, world peace is just a slogan, okay? It's just a slogan and it's a profession for some people.

• 1:19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. That's what I agree. My impression is that. My impression is they've made it into a business.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  Yes. I told you, conference hopping itself is a big business.

• 1:19:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. Well, I mean, it's just a guilt factor, right? You know, well, let's do this and let's do that and...

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  See, if you want to create a peaceful human being, or if you want to create peaceful human beings...

• 1:19:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Society.

• 1:19:33Speaker 00

  It's... No, there's no... See, all these are words. Let's get to this. Society, world, global, this thing, family, all these are just words. Actually, there's you and me here. If both of us are peaceful, this room is peaceful. As simple as that.

• 1:19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  This place is peaceful right now. Yes?

• 1:19:55Speaker 00

  Depends.

• 1:20:00Speaker 00

  I can cause some havoc if I want.

• 1:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't want that. We want peace, is what we want.

• 1:20:06Speaker 00

  I'm saying if you and me are peaceful, this is peaceful.

• 1:20:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:20:09Speaker 00

  If like this, a million people are peaceful by themselves, the town is peaceful.

• 1:20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It's easy with two. It's hard with a million. It's even harder with a billion.

• 1:20:18Speaker 00

  No, no. It is not even easy with two. Two people, you know how much violence happens between them verbally and stuff. More violence than two nations. Much more happens within families, okay? So it is not possible to have between two people, or ten people, or a million people, or a billion people. It is only possible that you can be peaceful.

• 1:20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:20:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So one v. one, you.

• 1:20:40Speaker 00

  Yes. Because human experience is caused from within, not from outside.

• 1:20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:20:46Speaker 00

  In is the only way out.

• 1:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, can a successful, ruthless businessman be at peace?

• 1:20:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Can a ruthless, successful businessman, who's a winner, be at peace?

• 1:21:02Speaker 00

  Only if he is at peace, he can win, otherwise he'll make a fool of himself.

• 1:21:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me more.

• 1:21:07Speaker 00

  Are you the guy? No, depending on that, I'll choose my word.

• 1:21:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Will you say you were like that back in the days? Like when you were running a business, like it was...

• 1:21:17Speaker 00

  See, the word ruthless is not something that I would associate myself with. But am I always seeing how to make things work? Yes. See, you're successful not because you want to be successful. You're successful because you do things the right way. This is something we must understand. You know, I was talking to somebody in a conversation and at that time, now that whole thing, the Pakistani teams have broken down very badly unfortunately. But at that time, India-Pakistan cricket match means it's a big deal.

• 1:21:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Biggest in the world. Like World Cup is one, sometimes you guys are even more than World Cup.

• 1:21:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, now that Pakistani teams have collapsed, whatever reasons. But at that time, this guy asked me, "Sadhguru, last question. How to beat Pakistan in cricket?" I said, "See, if you want to beat Pakistan, you must send Indian army." Cricket means, "Don't beat Pakistan, hit the goddamn ball." Why are you trying to beat Pakistan? You just have to hit the ball right. In this emotion of wanting to beat Pakistan, you will do something stupid. So I'm saying, for you to be successful, it's not because you're ruthless. Because you want to win, you will win. It is because you do things right.

• 1:22:42Speaker 00

  If you want to do things right, you need insight, inspiration, and integrity.

• 1:22:52Speaker 00

  If you're a loner in your business, inspiration and insight will do. But if you have to inspire a thousand people around you, you need integrity. If there is no integrity, you can't inspire anybody. People will not be inspired or trustworthy if they don't see you as an inspiration. And you will be inspiration only if they see you with a very highest level of integrity. Otherwise, people will go away.

• 1:23:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think that's the highest value of a man? A man of integrity?

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  No, no. I'm saying to make things happen in the world. See, you're trying to drop like a ten commandments from whatever I'm speaking. Don't do that.

• 1:23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's not what I'm doing. I'm trying to see for you because I'm very comfortable with who I am as a man. I'm not somebody that's uncomfortable.

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  I didn't say that.

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I am... No, but listen. At one point in my life, you're in search and then you get very clear with your life and you pursue. But I love talking to other people who have clear philosophies to see what...

• 1:24:02Speaker 00

  See, what if somebody doesn't have a philosophy, but they have clarity?

• 1:24:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I think clarity is a byproduct of having clear philosophies.

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Philosophy means you become a one-track mind. And with a one-track mind, you look like you're clear, but you will collide with something. All fanatics are very clear. They're even willing to die because they're very clear where they're going. It's very dangerous. Those people will not let you make the world peaceful.

• 1:24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  What clear belief system do you have? What is... What do you believe in that nobody can contradict you? Like where you can't go and say, "Man, I never thought about it that way."

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  I don't believe anything. Nor do I disbelieve anything. I just look at life the way it is. Isn't that important? If you want to navigate through this life, you must see things the way they are, not the way you want to see. The moment you believe something, you will see it the way you want to see it.

• 1:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Then how do you know between right and wrong? How do you know between right and wrong?

• 1:25:07Speaker 00

  Well, if it works for this life and every life around you, that's the right thing to do. If it doesn't work for life around you, it's not the thing to do. It's not about right and wrong. What is appropriate to the life around you right now? That's what you do.

• 1:25:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What is appropriate for the life around you right now? That's what you do. So, you're saying what may be right today could have been wrong 100 years ago?

• 1:25:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yes, of course.

• 1:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me more.

• 1:25:35Speaker 00

  See, right now, in Tamil Nadu, where I come from now, a great hero a thousand years ago, Menne, Aaya Anakunnavan. This means, "One who has slain thousand elephants." He's a heroic man. Because at that time, the guy did it with a spear or a sword and there were elephants and elephants everywhere. So, if you kill 1,000 elephants, you were honored as a great hero. Today, if you touch one, you will be in prison. Things have changed. Situation has changed. Elephants have not changed. Elephants are the same elephants. Its life is valuable to itself. But situation has changed.

• 1:26:19Speaker 00

  What we think is right and wrong has changed, isn't it?

• 1:26:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, if a hundred years from now...

• 1:26:27Speaker 00

  See, in United States, I see there are lumber competitions. I think, hopefully, they're gone now. But they were there even a few years ago. Lumberjacks with an axe, how quickly can you knock down a tree?

• 1:26:38Patrick Bet-David?

  They still do it till today. It's very competitive, yeah.

• 1:26:40Speaker 00

  Even today, yeah.

• 1:26:41Patrick Bet-David?

  On ESPN, till today.

• 1:26:42Speaker 00

  So, that would have been a great thing. When people came from Europe or England or wherever. So, who can cut the tree quickly? That guy only could build his house first. His family would be safe. You know, things like this. But today you want to cut down and cut down all the sequoia trees because you've got a big axe and you've got big muscle. It's stupid to do that. At that time, it meant something. If you're a man, if you can cut down a tree quickly, you could build a house, you could do this, you could build a bridge, you could build a boat. So many things were there. So I'm saying what's right today may not be appropriate tomorrow. So that's why it is very important that you're looking at life for what it is and do the right thing for that, not some fixed idea.

• 1:27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think there's 100% right things to do today 100 years ago, 1,000 years ago? I mean, you can't be saying that because...

• 1:27:35Speaker 00

  See, anything that nurtures life around you is the right thing to do. Anything that destroys life around you is not the right thing to do. All right? Because we are life. We didn't drop from somewhere else. We are life. The highest value that we have is life. So if you have one philosophy, and I have another philosophy, in a way to believe we will fight somewhere. Philosophy is one thing. You believe one thing, I believe another thing. We will fight somewhere, it's just a question of time. Why are we creating such divisions and trying to patch up? As human beings, we breathe the same air, we come from the same soil. If you and me are buried in the same place,

• 1:28:20Speaker 00

  the worms eat us and make us the same soil once again. Why are we not getting the point right now?

• 1:28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me ask you. What do you tell people when they ask you for marital advice? What do you tell them?

• 1:28:30Speaker 00

  Marital?

• 1:28:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:28:31Speaker 00

  (Laughs) Don't mess it up.

• 1:28:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you tell them? What, what advice do you give?

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  See, two people come together. Initially, when you come together, you have a need for the other person. The other person has a need for you.

• 1:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:28:46Speaker 00

  The need is physical, psychological, emotional, maybe economic, maybe social.

• 1:28:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:28:51Speaker 00

  So many aspects. When you come together, you come because you need it. But after some time, you think only that person needs it. This is the problem. You always remember, "I have made this relationship for my, fulfilling my needs." Then you will approach it with little humility. But if you think, "I'm fulfilling that person's needs," then you will do things which are unfortunate and unpleasant to each other.

• 1:29:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Think marriage is a good thing? Like you think men should experience marriage or to each his own?

• 1:29:26Speaker 00

  See, if you do not know

• 1:29:30Speaker 00

  how to allow another person to walk all over you a little bit, you may be in your own illusion of who you are.

• 1:29:39Speaker 00

  So, marriage is that place where it need not necessarily be marriage. It could be even your own choice of how you do things. But you are allowing another person means some part of you should go. See, this is why the English term falling in love is a good term. You don't rise in love, you don't climb in love, you don't fly in love, you fall in love. Something of you must fall.

• 1:30:06Speaker 00

  You are willing to take a part of you and throw it away so that the other person is accommodated, which is a very good thing because this is what yoga means. Yoga means union. The word yog means to yoke or to unite. So, right now, union is not my philosophy or your philosophy. Do you breathe or?

• 1:30:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Do I breathe?

• 1:30:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 1:30:33Speaker 00

  So, what you exhale, the tree outside is inhaling. What it exhales, you are inhaling. Are we in yoga or not?

• 1:30:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:30:41Speaker 00

  We are, but we are not conscious, that's the problem.

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  I started a whole movement in Southern India just by making people experience this. Made them sit there and said, "See what you are exhaling, trees are inhaling. What they exhaling, you are inhaling." Today, we planted 138 million trees, living trees, because of this one experience in people.

• 1:31:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you say 138 million?

• 1:31:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:31:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  Don't say wow, it's not enough, it's a drop in the ocean.

• 1:31:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, that's still more than the average person, you know? The average person, I don't think, has planted one.

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  See, that's the problem. Why are you an average person? You're not, nobody is an average person. Everybody thinks he's special. But when it comes to contributing, he becomes average. When it comes to getting, he becomes a big guy.

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  Nobody is average. In his mind, he's special. Why doesn't he do that? It's just, we have been curated like this.

• 1:31:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, did you get that? We gotta go plant some trees, Rob. We're doing the wrong thing right now, man. We gotta stop the podcast and go out there and do...

• 1:31:52Speaker 00

  I'll plant for you. You tell me how many you want.

• 1:31:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no problem. Yeah, no problem.

• 1:31:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Crazy question for you. When I was building my sales team,

• 1:32:03Patrick Bet-David?

  we build a good-sized insurance company nationally. We license 60,000 insurance agents. We had a lot of young guys. In a conversation, a sexual desire would come up for men. Okay? And some of them, you know, you're married. You're like, hey, so how do you manage the sexual urge that you naturally have? What would you say to them?

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  The...

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  If...

• 1:32:29Speaker 00

  There are, as I said, relationships happen because of physical, psychological, emotional, and social needs. Sometimes financial needs also.

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  Right now,

• 1:32:44Speaker 00

  I'm not trying to make a statement on this culture or whatever, but it's a fact that we have overly exaggerated the physicality of what a human being is, particularly in these societies, especially in United States of America. I must tell you this because you have this Inner Engineering book. I was talking to... We have never hired a marketing agency or a PR agency. We can't afford it. It's just our volunteers working. I have over 19 million volunteers. Everybody is a PR for me. So I never could afford. But one guy, one PR guy, who's supposed to be maybe fourth or fifth company in the country, he came and did the program. Then I asked this guy, free consultation.

• 1:33:30Speaker 00

  I don't pay anybody anything. This is my expectation.

• 1:33:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, everybody comes to you.

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  So I asked him, see, we've made this Inner Engineering online program new at that time. I said, see, a few thousand people are doing it. Why aren't millions of people doing it? Because whoever comes and does it, they say wow, wow. But millions are not doing it. He told me one thing.

• 1:33:53Speaker 00

  Sadhguru, you need to understand United States. If you are willing to say, you will become rich, or your weight loss will happen, or your libido will multiply ten x. If you are willing to say these three things, I will sell millions of your program. If you are not saying this, I have been through the program, I know how valuable it is, but millions will not happen in this.

• 1:34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Or with the second one, you're gonna be rich?

• 1:34:22Speaker 00

  You will... Weight loss will happen.

• 1:34:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Lose weight and your libido is gonna ten x.

• 1:34:25Speaker 00

  Ten x.

• 1:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Speaker 00

  Then I will sell millions. I said, okay.

• 1:34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you try? Did you start saying, "If you come to my course, your libido is gonna ten x."

• 1:34:37Speaker 00

  I am not willing to say those things. I am okay, the way I am.

• 1:34:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so what would you say? What would you say for desires? For men to control their desires?

• 1:34:47Speaker 00

  See, desire is there. In human body, there is desire. If this desire was not there, you and me wouldn't be born.

• 1:34:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:34:55Speaker 00

  All right? Unless you believe you dropped from heaven or something. You born... Natural birth, right?

• 1:34:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Natural birth.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  Yes. So if somebody had desire, if the desire is not there, we wouldn't be born. Who would take the trouble of bearing a child and then bringing it up? All this nonsense. It's not easy. All this is happening because there is a desire. The desire is there because there is a certain amount of pleasure or satisfaction instituted in that whole system. But how much of it is there? If you look at it, if you just take it as a physicality, it's a certain percentage of one's life. But right now, social... We are pushing it into people's minds. See, it's like this. If you have money in your pocket, it's a good thing. It makes your life comfortable.

• 1:35:44Speaker 00

  If you're... there is no money in your pocket, today you have to see, "Where is my bread?" You can't do anything creative in your life. So your bread is assured, your shelter is assured, things are assured for you. This means you can think of your activity raising to a different pitch. Similarly, money should be in the pocket. If it gets to your head, you'll get sick. Similarly, sexuality should be in the body. It's gotten into the head, it's a kind of perversion. Too much in the head. People are trying to read sexuality everywhere because everybody's following that fraud gov... You know what, Sigmund Freud guy? Well, he himself was quite sick. Full fearful of death, you know that?

• 1:36:29Speaker 00

  He wanted to go to Egypt. He couldn't travel because he's scared of seeing the mummies.

• 1:36:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He was a weird guy.

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  And that guy was giving all solutions to you, all the best.

• 1:36:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And a lot of people followed it.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  Yes, even today.

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:43Speaker 00

  Lot of principles are from him.

• 1:36:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You think so?

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  On the sexual side?

• 1:36:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:36:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:36:49Speaker 00

  He's the one who said, "Everything is libido."

• 1:36:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. Well, isn't he the guy that he had fantasies with his mother or something? Like, a little weird. You know the story with this, with Sigmund Freud? He talked about every... yeah.

• 1:37:03Speaker 00

  Everything is libido.

• 1:37:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:37:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:37:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay.

• 1:37:12Speaker 00

  So I'm saying, it is not in the right place. If it's in your body, it's a limited sphere of life. Right now, it's entered your head. It looks like everything is like that. This is something you must cure the society of. Right from childhood, we are cultivating our children like this. And they will suffer this, they will not enjoy this. Most human beings, I'm telling you. Even in America, where there is so much promiscuity or openness to sexuality, even here, most people are suffering the urge rather than enjoying the urge. Because it's like that. If it's not in the right place, if it's in the body, it has its own beauty. But if it enters your head, it'll become a kind of perversion, it rules you.

• 1:37:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Promiscuity?

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  No. I'm not even saying promiscuity. It's individual choice what people do. But it should not be in your head, it should be in your body.

• 1:38:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I had a, I had a husband and wife that worked with me 20 years ago. Uh, Harmi and his wife sing. If his wife was around other wives, all she wanted to talk about was sex.

• 1:38:25Speaker 00

  It's become a, socially, it's become that, that kind of thing.

• 1:38:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It was, it was, have you read this book? Have you tried this with your husband?

• 1:38:32Speaker 00

  Somebody is telling me, she is a senior vice president in a law firm, which is one of the top firms in the country. She says, "Sadhguru, you don't know, in the lunch hour, if you sit there, the only thing, all these men who are over 50, 60 years of age, the only thing they discuss is the woman's body parts. Throughout the lunch, every day, same thing. You just go sit near a window, facing the window, I eat. I can't eat with the people, with my own colleagues. And if they go off-site somewhere, it just goes crazy.

• 1:39:09Speaker 00

  Like schoolboys, they are.

• 1:39:12Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about that? Too much obsession on that?

• 1:39:15Speaker 00

  It's cultivated.

• 1:39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, I mean nowadays, you know, you're talking about, forget about porn. Like, it's, it's gotten to a point that you got OnlyFans, you got girls trying to break records. There was a girl that slept with, I think, a thousand men. And what was it? A thousand men in 24 hours? You know, and it gets so much attention. It gets so much attention. Yeah, this girl right here, she said she slept with 1,057 men in 12 hours. Forgive me, I don't want to ruin her record. It was 12 hours, not 24 hours. I don't want her to get upset.

• 1:39:51Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 1:39:51Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you, what do you think about when you read stories like this? Because this, they write about this. They're like, hey, look at this, look what she did. And it gets hundreds of millions of views, and she's not even a guru.

• 1:40:04Speaker 00

  It's unfortunate because I, I, you know, many, many people come and talk to me, how at an early age, they were exposed to pornography and what happened to their minds after that. They couldn't think of anything. Whether they look at their sisters or mothers, they can't think of anything else and they feel sick. There have been people I know that who committed suicide.

• 1:40:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:40:27Speaker 00

  Because they just couldn't bear it. Very early age, they saw these things and it just ruled them from inside. See, the sexual instinct is there. Without that, as I said, we wouldn't be born. They're here because of that. So, it's not a question of right and wrong. It's a question, see, anything it is, food, how much to eat, there is a certain consciousness about it, isn't it? Because there is food, if you go on eating, you know what will happen. This is also just like that. These are all physical needs which need to be satisfied, not to be pursued like as if it's the ultimate goal of life.

• 1:41:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You brought up Pakistan earlier with cricket, right? You, and then obviously, right now, some of the stuff that's going on, they're negotiating in Islamabad.

• 1:41:19Speaker 00

  I think it's over, right?

• 1:41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it is over. Twenty-one hours, nothing happened with it. But just out of curiosity, how do you look at these religions around the world? You got Islam, you got Christianity, you got Judaism, you got Catholicism. How do you look at all of this?

• 1:41:37Speaker 00

  See, instead of handling those religions, let it, let us look at like this. Do you believe you have two hands?

• 1:41:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I do.

• 1:41:48Speaker 00

  You believe?

• 1:41:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I see it, I know.

• 1:41:50Speaker 00

  You know you have two hands?

• 1:41:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 00

  So if I argue with you and try to prove to you, you have no two hands, you know how to make the point to me, right?

• 1:42:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  But so many other things you believe, why? Because you are not sincere enough to admit, I do not know. I do not know, is it tremendous possibility?

• 1:42:15Speaker 00

  When you see, I do not know, the longing to know, the seeking to know, and the possibility of knowing becomes a living reality for you. Everything that you do not know, if you just believe, well, you believe one thing, that guy believes something else, somebody believes something else. As long as we are separated, we okay, if you come together, we will kill each other. What for? Why can't we be straight enough to say, what we know, we know, what we do not know, we do not know? Right now, the simple thing is this. See, this cosmos is such that so-called men of science, they have openly admitted, we do not know where it begins, where it ends. Yes?

• 1:43:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Science, yes, that's what their answer, their answer will be.

• 1:43:03Speaker 00

  Men of science have admitted, we do not know where it begins, where it ends.

• 1:43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:43:07Speaker 00

  Even the people who claim to be men of God, even they do not know where it begins, where it ends. Some of them still believe the earth is flat and whatever is going on, okay? So even they do not know. In such a vast cosmos, this planet earth is a tiny little mud ball. Microscopic actually it is. In that, Florida state is a super micro thing. In that, Miami is a super, super micro thing. In that, you are a big man. This is a serious problem. This has happened only because of what you believe. What you know, you know. What you do not know, if you see, I do not know, you will walk gently upon this planet.

• 1:43:51Speaker 00

  Because you do not know damn thing actually. In the middle of nowhere, this planet is floating around and you and me are sitting here and blabbering like this, not knowing a damn thing. If we know that we do not know, we will walk gently. Right now, everything that we do not know, we believe, and this is it. You should not talk about peace.

• 1:44:21Speaker 00

  Why can't we be straight enough? What I do not know, I do not know. What's the problem?

• 1:44:27Patrick Bet-David?

  That's part of faith though. That's part of faith because man is trying to answer one question that nobody has a hundred percent answer for. And it's what happens when you and I die? Because who knows? Do you know what happens?

• 1:44:42Speaker 00

  Some people are very sure where they're going.

• 1:44:45Patrick Bet-David?

  They have faith.

• 1:44:46Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:44:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know where you're going when you die?

• 1:44:50Speaker 00

  I'm not going anywhere. I figured out my life fully.

• 1:44:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think happens when you die?

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  Some things you should know only by experience.

• 1:45:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Some things you should know only by experience?

• 1:45:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, are you ready?

• 1:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 1:45:07Speaker 00

  By experience, I'm saying.

• 1:45:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want by experience. I want it to be when it's my time, I'm ready. You know, when he wants to take me, he can take me, but... But do you know? Do you think you know?

• 1:45:17Speaker 00

  I'm very clear.

• 1:45:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Of where you're gonna go? Where do you think you're gonna go?

• 1:45:21Speaker 00

  It's not that you're going to go somewhere, this all foolish stuff. That you will go somewhere. At least, the physical body, you put it back here? Into the earth? If you've not done anything eco-friendly, that's... At least that much you must do. I heard in California, they're putting it in boxes and putting in multi-storyed buildings. No, no, please put it back into the soil. That's the only eco-friendly thing probably you're doing in your life. So you'll go back to the soil, your physical part of you?

• 1:45:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but the spiritual part of you?

• 1:45:54Speaker 00

  See, spiritual part of you is still a fiction, isn't it? Have you seen anything beyond the body and mind?

• 1:46:00Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's what requires faith.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  No, no, it's fiction, I'm saying.

• 1:46:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying it's fiction?

• 1:46:06Speaker 00

  Right now, if it's not in your experience, it's just fiction, isn't it? See, I will say something. It may be true.

• 1:46:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:46:13Speaker 00

  But it's not a true for you, so it's not true. Yet.

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  That's why I said it's the appropriateness. Because what is true is only what you have experienced. Rest is all imagination and belief.

• 1:46:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, what a boring life though, no? If I don't, like, marriage is about faith. Having kids is about faith. Moving...

• 1:46:36Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:46:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Starting a business is about faith.

• 1:46:37Speaker 00

  It's about, because of faith you got married?

• 1:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You can, having faith that it could work. Having faith that it's the right person.

• 1:46:43Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:46:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Having faith that, you know, you're gonna be a decent dad. And you're not gonna be a failure, you know? Having faith that if I build this business, it could work.

• 1:46:51Speaker 00

  Very wrong approach.

• 1:46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? Tell, tell me why? Because about...

• 1:46:56Speaker 00

  You take a woman...

• 1:46:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Seven billion people live that way.

• 1:46:58Speaker 00

  You take a woman in your life...

• 1:47:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Speaker 00

  With the trust that you will do the right thing with her and make it work. Not with the faith that it will work. It will not work like that.

• 1:47:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you don't know if you're gonna do the right thing.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  Arre, you believe that you'll do the right thing and you...

• 1:47:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I believe, because it's faith.

• 1:47:19Speaker 00

  You try to do, you try to do the right thing.

• 1:47:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because...

• 1:47:21Speaker 00

  But many times you can't figure out what's the right thing.

• 1:47:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean...

• 1:47:24Speaker 00

  Let me tell you a joke.

• 1:47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Please, I like jokes.

• 1:47:26Speaker 00

  Are you okay? You're being too serious.

• 1:47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I like jokes.

• 1:47:30Speaker 00

  Shankaran Pillai, you heard of him?

• 1:47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's this?

• 1:47:32Speaker 00

  Shankaran Pillai?

• 1:47:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:47:34Speaker 00

  You've not heard of him?

• 1:47:35Patrick Bet-David?

  No, can you pull it up?

• 1:47:36Speaker 00

  A very famous guy, okay? So, one day he was sitting in his backyard grumpy.

• 1:47:44Speaker 00

  And his neighbor looked at him and said, "Hey, what's the matter with you? Why are you sitting like this?" He said, "No, you know, one of those womanly questions. She asked me and I got the answer wrong." "Well, what did she ask you?" He said, uh, well, he said, uh, she asked, "When I get old, unattractive and fat, will you still love me?" The neighbor said, "That's easy, man. You should just say, 'Yes, I will.'" "Yeah, I know, but I said, 'I do.'"

• 1:48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, "I do?" What does that mean?

• 1:48:23Speaker 00

  Ah, see, now is the problem. Because too many beliefs you have.

• 1:48:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Because "I do."

• 1:48:31Speaker 00

  And the wife says, "When I get old, fat and unattractive, will you still love me?"

• 1:48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, she said, "I do," meaning, "I love you today, but I don't know if I'm gonna love you in the future."

• 1:48:43Speaker 00

  Arre, you are something. When he says, "I do," what does it mean? That means she's already that way.

• 1:48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, meaning it doesn't matter.

• 1:48:56Speaker 00

  So, in the house, there's a hurricane, so he's sitting in the backyard, waiting for the hurricane to settle. So I'm saying, you need to figure your life out. You will not do everything perfectly well. You will do some things right, some things wrong. But the important thing is, if you have love in your heart, you will try to do the best. Your best, not the best, always understand this. Your best, you're doing your best. You can't do the best, because nobody knows what is the best. Only people who have religious beliefs, they think they are the best. Nobody knows what is the best. My best I can do today. I don't know if my best is the best.

• 1:49:42Speaker 06

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• 1:51:44Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, you know, it's a good point because sometimes you're constantly comparing yourself, right? And if you compare the best versus your best, as long as you're doing your best...

• 1:51:56Speaker 00

  Where is the best to compare yourself to?

• 1:51:58Patrick Bet-David?

  There's statistically in business and life and sports, you know, you can always compare to somebody who has done better than you. Financially, subscribership, viewers, you know, more people, more followers, more this, more that. We all follow numbers. You gave a bunch of numbers today. You said you have 19 million volunteers earlier. 10,000 square miles in South India that I'd want to go visit.

• 1:52:23Speaker 00

  No, no, no. 10,000 square miles of forest, not our land.

• 1:52:27Patrick Bet-David?

  10,000 square miles of forest.

• 1:52:29Speaker 00

  Forest behind us.

• 1:52:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, got it. And that's where the 112-foot statue's at, right? I want to see that. I'd like to come one day, come visit and see it. Is the food good over there? Is food good over there? Is the food good over there? Because the food was phenomenal in Mumbai.

• 1:52:44Speaker 00

  Once you taste our food, you may not leave.

• 1:52:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Well, then I look forward to that. But what could you tell us about these two books? Rob, can we put the link below as well for the two books?

• 1:52:57Speaker 00

  Well, Inner Engineering is like a little bit of introductory for the program itself. The program is a seven-step program, which is life-transforming, which millions of people have done around the world. Well, it is not a philosophy, it is not a belief system, it's not an ideology, it's not even a teaching. They're tools, or let's say technologies for well-being.

• 1:53:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That will increase your business, make you rich, lose weight, and your libido will ten X.

• 1:53:29Speaker 00

  You're saying it, I should say that. It'll enhance you as a human being, okay? If your idea of a human being is being a lecherous fool, it's up to you. But it'll enhance you as a human being. That means all aspects of your life will enhance. Above all, you will learn to do your life better. It is not that somebody is going to enhance you. These are like tools. See, there is a screw in this furniture. If I ask you to remove it, if all your ten nails go in your ten fingers, still the screw is right there. You can also try your teeth, you'll lose a couple of them.

• 1:54:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You would.

• 1:54:10Speaker 00

  But if I give you a screwdriver, in one minute you'll remove this. So this is how important a tool is. We must understand this. Human beings are dominating this planet right now only because of our ability to use tools, isn't it? As there are tools in the world, technologies in the world, as there is a science and technology to create what we want around us, to create what we want within us, there's an entire science and technology. It is this science and technology that we refer to as the yogic sciences.

• 1:54:48Speaker 00

  But unfortunately, in United States of America, yoga means Lululemon pants and twisting and turning and looking like a leftover noodle.

• 1:55:01Speaker 00

  No, yoga is an entire scientific system. When Adiyogi, the first yogi whose image you will come and see, when he gave the yogic system, he gave 112 methods. Not asanas or practices, methods, entire sciences. 112 ways in which a human being can seek their ultimate well-being. 112 ways. One method may suit you, but that guy may not be willing to go that way. So for him, there's another method. For me, there's another method, 112 ways.

• 1:55:39Speaker 00

  Why 112 ways is, we recognize there are 112 junction points in the body energetically. So we can work on each one of them in a different way and change the very chemistry of the system. Today, we have a center in the, you know, in Beth Israel Hospital, which is a teaching medical hospital for Harvard Medical School, where we have identified, proper studies have been done, 70% enhancement of endocannabinoids in your brain. That means you just blissed out within six weeks of practice. Simply if you sit here, you blissed out. Who wouldn't want it? Everybody wants it, but they are not willing to do it because they think it'll happen from somewhere else.

• 1:56:24Speaker 00

  This is one thing that humanity needs to understand. Human experience is caused from within. Is it so? Is it so, 100%? I agree, yes. Yes. When it's caused from within, why is it not happening the way you want it? Because you're in compulsive reaction to something else. So your numbers, your money, your grades, your... Are you better than somebody, worse than somebody is not the point. See, when you begin with life, you want pleasantness of experience. If you are continuously pleasant, you will feel that's insufficient. Then you want profoundness of experience. These are the only two things you're seeking. Whether you seek a bottle, or drug, or God, or heaven, or temple, or meditation,

• 1:57:09Speaker 00

  this is all you're seeking. Pleasantries of experience and profoundness of experience. So this is a scientific approach to that aspect of human. Longing.

• 1:57:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. Rob, let's make sure we put the link below. Sadhguru, you have a great sense of humor.

• 1:57:26Speaker 00

  You don't say those three things, okay?

• 1:57:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you don't say those three things, but I said it earlier, though.

• 1:57:30Speaker 00

  You can say it, I can't say it.

• 1:57:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I said it earlier. I said that earlier. Our next campaign is going to be, if you come to this conference, you're going to be rich, you're going to lose 40 pounds, and your libido is going to 10x. We'll see you next Friday at the conference. We're going to sell more tickets with that. But sir, truly, I genuinely enjoy talking to you. And I've been watching your stuff for many, many years. I'm glad we finally had to sit down and talk. What I love most about you is your energy is so smooth. And you are sarcastic, and you have a sense of humor. And I learned a lot today. So I appreciate your time.

• 1:58:07Speaker 00

  I could tell you a lot of jokes, but you didn't get my joke.

• 1:58:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that one "I do," it took me a minute. It took me a minute. I had to get a little bit more clear on what "I do" means, instead of "I will." Big difference between the two, right? But thank you so much for coming out. Truly, I appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time. This was great. You know, this whole thing with V8000 and PBD Podcast started with a phone, me and Mario. That's it. And it grew today to 15 million subscribers almost, and 164 full-time employees. And that relationship, where you're watching us and supporting us, wouldn't happen without you. But did you know 51% of you that watch the content are not subscribed to the channel? And it would mean the world to us if you could press that subscribe button and notification. Why? It allows us to grow higher, more, do bigger interviews, have a bigger team, and deliver a better product to you. So if you haven't yet, if you don't mind,

• 1:58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  press that subscribe button. It would mean the world to us.

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