Lizzo - Still Bad

Lizzo is a Grammy- and Emmy-winning singer, rapper, songwriter, and actress. She’s been putting out music since 2013, and her last two albums both went platinum. Her fifth album, Love In Real Life, comes out this summer. For this episode, I talked to Lizzo, as well as her longtime collaborator, Grammy-winning producer Ricky Reed, about the making of one of her new songs, “Still Bad.” It wasn’t a straightforward process at all, and coming up, you’ll hear a few of the many, many demos they made on their way to the final song. For more, visit songexploder.net/Lizzo https://songexploder.net/Lizzo.

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• 2:49Hrishikesh Hirway?

  This episode contains explicit language.

• 2:53Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Lizzo is a Grammy and Emmy winning singer, rapper, songwriter and actress. She's been putting out music since 2013 and her last two albums both went platinum. Her fifth album, Love in Real Life, comes out this summer. For this episode, I talked to Lizzo as well as her longtime collaborator, Grammy winning producer Ricky Reed, about the making of one of her new songs, Still Bad. It wasn't a straightforward process at all. And coming up, you'll hear just a few of the many, many demos they made on their way to the final song.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  I'm Melissa "Lizzo" in quotes Vivian Jefferson, professionally known as Lizzo.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I don't know why I'm so giggly, professionally known as Lizzo. I had started working on this entire album, maybe October 2023. And I had written a lot of songs that the world will never hear because it was like house music or like a lot of rap and a lot of like dark songs. And I was like, I'm not here to write songs that's like dark and depressed. And, you know, I write the Silver Lining records. I write songs that make people feel good.

• 4:18Hrishikesh Hirway?

  What were the other songs like?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. The cycle of like tearing people down and building them up and tearing them down again and watching them get back up. It's like fun to see.

• 4:29Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Where you're the person being torn down.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Absolutely, but it's like woe is me. Like, I'm not gonna put that on my album. Like, write the song, you know, get it off your chest. But the world don't need to hear those songs. My like thesis question or whatever statement every time I'm in the studio is like, what song does the world need to hear and that I need to sing? And how do I honor that sound? How do I create that band? What does that album sound like? You know, focus. So the time leading up to writing Still Bad was very much getting a lot of songs off my chest. And I don't think I would have been able to write Still Bad if I hadn't written all of those, like, hurt body, pain body songs.

• 5:14Hrishikesh Hirway?

  So did something happen? Like, was there a specific turning point?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  So I wrote Love in Real Life, the title track of the album, early spring 2024. And Love in Real Life was the first, oh, things are gonna be all right, song that I had written in like, months. And I was like, okay, this is the sound. Shortly after that, Still Bad happened.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  I'm Ricky Reed. I'm a co-writer and producer of Lizzo's Still Bad.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  I did this with Ricky Reed, Blake Slackin, Cheche.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cheche Alara was also in that room.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  And Sam Harris from the X Ambassadors. So I walk in the studio and it was just like, there was so much passion happening. It was like this country song, like, I don't need him, I need a drink.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  We definitely were talking about country songs. The sort of pocket we were feeling that we were messing around with is a classic sort of stomp clap country, like, whoop, ah, whoop, ah. I don't need him, I need a drink, do that, do that. And we just thought that was a blast. But it was really interesting because we didn't really have music. We just kind of had like a lyric and a feeling.

• 6:29Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Can I ask you, how did you even start with this country idea? Because it feels so different from what I think of when I think of Lizzo's music.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  We're having a lot of fun and starting a lot of our days with almost like, you know, what's the opposite thing? What's the least expected thing? Because the hardest thing ever is to sit down and be like, let's write a uptempo dance pop. Like, that is so hard. So if you want to have songs that you feel like are- Great and infectious and high energy. For me, sometimes the best way to get there is to start with a good feeling that's just not so on the nose and then see where it leads you.

• 7:13Hrishikesh Hirway?

  And then Lizzo came in and what was her reaction to it?

• 7:17Speaker 02

  She loved the feeling of it. We'd been experimenting with so many genres that she was just down to go on the ride.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  I walk in and I'm like, okay, I'm like, what's going on here? It's a vibe. It's vibe all the time. And they were like, we just have this like country song on our hearts. Sam Harris, he did the I don't need him, I need a drink. And I was just like, well, that doesn't resonate with me right now. And he was like, well, let's just write the country song. I said, cool. But I had to reframe it in my brain to write it by being like, actually, I'm not talking about a man, I'm talking about the world, a breakup song with the world.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  So it's really interesting. We like had a decent amount of like a feel. And then we sat down with instruments. We're like, is this guitar or piano? Like, we just had a lyric and a feeling. And that would end up setting the stage for the creation of this song.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  It was like these like kind of minor chords, like, I can actually play them for you.

• 8:20Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yeah, let's listen to the voicemail.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  One more time, Ricky, for the.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Can you believe that's how still Bad started?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  My memory of it is kicking around a bunch of different things that we liked. I don't need him, I need a drink.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Oh my God, we had so many lyrics and I just, I needed, I need to write everything. I think that's how we work, especially me and Ricky. We have to write every lyric possible. That's where I'd never leave my bed. Goddamn, I can't believe it came to this. I should go Brittany, shave my head, then write a book about everything, he said.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  And then we're like, okay, let's whittle it down.

• 9:35Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Were you still thinking about this in the scope of what you said, breaking up with the world as opposed to a particular person?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  I had to because I can't write songs that don't resonate with me on a personal level. Like I had a whole period where I did throw my phone away. I didn't have my phone. I'm about to throw my phone away.

• 9:52Hrishikesh Hirway?

  The phone being the conduit to the world?

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Yes, because it's like social media is on there, your friends, your family. I had so many relationships go. I had been a very like boundaryless person. And if I continue to allow the world to affect me and the press and social media to like, tell me who I am or like cuss me out or like talk shit about me or make a joke about me or, you know, at my expense, I'm gonna lose my mind. And I'm so grateful that I have music to kind of be my therapist. But I think in real time during this album, music saved my life.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  And I would be like, oh my gosh, like I want to die today, but I also have to go in the studio at 12.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  So it's like, you know, go in and write about it.

• 10:47Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Did you explain this to everyone that day? Like this is a metaphor for me?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I did, and very annoyingly, I tried to change the lyric. I was like, I don't need this, I don't need them. But we always found our way back to him. I don't need him, I need a drink.

• 11:02Hrishikesh Hirway?

  I think it must be hard to be going through that and then try to write about it if you don't have the right personalities around you.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:10Hrishikesh Hirway?

  So how did you and Ricky Reed start working together?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I had put out a tape, Big Girl, Small World. And Ricky DMs me, he was like, come to LA, I'd love to work with you. I was like, I'm busy.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  I didn't have any awareness of like the music industry and how it worked and how songwriters work and how I didn't, I'm very from the rap world of like, send me some beats and I'll write to it and I'll, I'll give you a credit when it drops. Like very much that. I didn't know what he wanted. I was like, why do I have to come to LA? Just send me some beats, you know?

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  But I get there and he was like, you're so talented. Like, let's just get in the studio and just like vibe. I was like, cool. That I understand. He was like, so what do you want to say right now? What do you want to say? And I was just like, what do you mean? What do I want to say? Like, let me sit over here, you play the beat and I'll write the words. But I sat with him and I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on here? He had me singing like goddamn Aretha Franklin. I don't, I could never sing like her. But I was singing soul and singing in a register that I had never sang in before. And I was like, my voice sound like it's not coming out my throat. Like, what's happening? And he had pushed me to this limit that I was just like, wow, I've never experienced

• 12:31Speaker 01

  anything like that. Learning how to collaborate and learning how to like, write a song with a producer from the first chords. That was all very new to me. And Ricky introduced me to it. It's a very special relationship. There's no one like Ricky when it comes to like pushing me to be like the best. And I used to hate it. And now I'm like, oh my gosh, no one else does this to me. I need more.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  You know, I'm a firm believer that the best Lizzo songs always have a lyric melody perspective that sort of transcends space and time. We were really trying to get to a core story and a core lyric and melody before we got heavy on the production. Now, what I would learn is by pushing off the production as much as I did in the early stages would lead to us getting used to very, very unproduced demos, which would make it more challenging to actually finish production down the line.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  This man will send you a text at like seven in the morning and he's like, yeah, just been, what do you think about this version?

• 13:52Speaker 03

  So the country song turned into that first. That was the first iteration of it. And how did you feel about that direction? I was like, because we were going for like, "Crazy." Yeah. "I'm gonna be crazy." And I was like, "This is sick. This is cool. I like it. I love everything when I first make it because it's my baby." And then you sleep on it and you're like, "Mm, uh-uh." And what wasn't right about it for you? It didn't feel fresh. And a lot of times Ricky, because there are times where I was like, "This is sick." And he's like, "No, I don't think this is it." We would work on one for a week, two weeks, and then be like, "This isn't really getting there. Let's try a different version."

• 14:34Speaker 01

  That day, we're like, "Let's try a piano thing." But then once Cheche's at the piano, "Maybe we shouldn't do..." And we do the pre-chorus, which we have now. And I was like, this is sick. This is cool. I like it. I love everything when I first make it because it's my baby. And then you sleep on it and you're like, mm, uh-uh.

• 14:55Hrishikesh Hirway?

  And what wasn't right about it for you?

• 14:57Speaker 01

  It didn't feel fresh. And a lot of times Ricky, because there are times where I was like, this is sick. And he's like, no, I don't think this is it.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  We would work on one for a week, two weeks, and then be like, this isn't really getting there. Let's try a different version.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  I'm about to throw my phone away. Can't let my girls no probe and fucking with my day.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  That day, we're like, let's try a piano thing. But then once Cheche's at the piano, maybe we shouldn't do.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  And we do the pre-chorus, which we have now.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  He knocked me down. Thought I'd never get my fine ass off the ground. Oh, but I'm ready now. Cause it's diva season, baby, let's go out.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  So maybe we didn't keep anything from that production, but it led us to the lyric and melody of the pre-chorus.

• 15:55Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  And I was working on basslines and I was like, maybe this song needs a bassline.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  This is the demo that ends up being the first time we say, oh shit, I think we have something here.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  I went in trying to just get the feeling out of it. I wanted to tell the story musically of we're gonna start the verse with Lizzo knocked down. And I wanted to get to the chorus with her winning.

• 16:53Hrishikesh Hirway?

  My conversation with Lizzo and Ricky Reed continues after this.

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• 19:50Hrishikesh Hirway?

  You had all these different versions and demos that you were trying. Did you have a sense of what it was you were looking for?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  They all sound great, but when we thought about the statement that she was trying to make with this album, I think one of the things that would define a lot of these versions that didn't work was that they didn't have that grit and that urgency.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  We listened to like Franz Ferdinand. That was the turning point, listening to Franz Ferdinand.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  And so then one of the versions of that were, I tried to put a harder edge on it. This is my favorite, one that didn't make it.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I loved this version.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  I'm playing drums too, just like an asshole.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  We were starting to get an idea of what the album would sound like. It's around that time we're really experimenting with, I don't want to oversimplify it and just say that it's rock. It's about urgency and energy.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  I have been studying the origin of rock and roll because I'm going to be playing Sister Rosa de Tharp. And rock and roll, at its origin, was this mixture of gospel and guitar and distortion and audacity.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  That leads us to, okay, what if we took that demo, the one I had mentioned where I was like getting the feeling of it?

• 21:54Speaker 02

  That was like our main demo of the song for a long time. So what if we took that and we just played it like a band?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  That's what sets us on the path to the final version. We set up to do this day, we set up like a band. So we brought in Victor Andretto, longtime Lizzo collaborator, one of my favorite drummers of all time.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Ricky plays bass.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  And then I played three distinct guitar performances as if it was like an indie band with three guitarists.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Plot twist, I'm doing great. Plot twist, I'm doing great was like the first lyric that I was like, oh my God, I can't wait to say this. Like, I can't wait for people to hear me say this and I can't wait for people to say it themselves. Oh, so satisfying.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  What do you love about it?

• 23:04Speaker 01

  I just loved the cheekiness of it, but also it was so bold because it was like real to me. I was like, there are people who want to see me miserable. And so to say, "Plot twist, I'm doing great." I was proud of myself for being able to get to a point where I can say that. And I'm like, ha ha, it's petty, it's very ha ha. You thought that I was gonna be sad forever, but you know, I grew. And that line is a deeply satisfying line.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  The palm muted thing goes.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Oh, it's my favorite part of Still Bad. And it was like a main character in the version I played for you.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  I remember we played it for the label. They were like, this song is so good into that fucking guitar line. And I was like, no, my precious. And so we had to get rid of it. And then like, we were almost done with the song and I was like, can we bring back dun-dun-dum-dum-dum? And like, it's like a different tone.

• 24:12Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  That kind of matches the vibe of this record. But we slid it into the bridge because I fought for it.

• 24:32Hrishikesh Hirway?

  One of the things I love in the song are these gang vocals. Can you tell me about making those?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  So Ricky has created this like tradition of me calling my friends and being like, hey, you around? Come hop on this record and just be like, yai-yai, woo! Ha-ha-ha, you know? And we're just like laughing and it like just brings life to the record. And I think it needed party because it's just like, let's go to Vegas, let's turn our pain to champagne. We need a drink, but this time I didn't have any friends anymore.

• 25:06Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Because you threw your phone away?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  I threw my phone away and my only friends don't live in LA. And so I was just like, okay, we're the party track. So that's me, that's Blake Slackin, that's Sam Harris and Ricky Reed, just in a room clapping and ho-dowling with each other.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  It was really nice, though.

• 25:26Hrishikesh Hirway?

  That's like five friends having fun and doing what felt right in the moment.

• 25:38Hrishikesh Hirway?

  I feel like I can hear multiple layers of your voice in different registers.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  So I'll sit and I'll be like, alright, this time I'm gonna do the, "Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby." Then it's like, okay, this time I'm gonna do like a lower voice. "Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby." Or like a, "Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby." Or give like a raspy one like, "Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby." You gotta give it different characters so that like it feels like a shit ton of people. And it's so fun. I'll be like, alright, this is the bratty one. This is the nasally one. This is the airy one. This is the full-bodied one. This is the fast vibrato. This is the slow vibrato.

• 26:20Hrishikesh Hirway?

  And what about Blake, Ricky and Sam? Are they also inhabiting other characters?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  They're trying to.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  They're trying to.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  I think anytime you have a lyric like "throw ass", we gotta do a gang vocal on "throw ass."

• 26:42Speaker 01

  At that point, we're listening to the song and I'm like, that needs a lift. And Ricky is so fucking weird when it comes to harmonies. Like, he doesn't do just like major triad shit. He'll be like, "What about, um, 'in a minute'?" And I'm like, "What? Boy, that's not gonna work." And he's like, "Well, if you sing it softly, it'll work." I'm like, "Alright." And I do it and I'm like, "In a minute." "Oh, that was weird." And it like perks your ears up and you won't even really notice it, but you feel it. "I don't need him, I need to throw ass. In a minute, break fast with my bitches. Real love, real life, damn, I been missin'."

• 27:21Speaker 02

  For me, it's the ad lib going into chorus too. Anytime she does the belt and she's like all out of air, she's holding that long, loud, high note for what feels like 10 minutes and then she still has enough air to give you a "whoo."

• 27:47Speaker 01

  It used to be, "Think I'm acting different. Watch me double down." You know, that was the old, like, lead into the hook. And now it was like, "Feeling crazy lately, baby." Like, the "A's," the vowel sound, is just so much more fun to sing.

• 28:03Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Instead of "acting different, watch me." You know, we think about things like that, too.

• 28:08Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  But also, like, "Feeling crazy lately," it's just more relatable. So, I really love doing it. It's so tedious, but I always feel like it yields the best results.

• 28:20Hrishikesh Hirway?

  So after all of that revising and rewriting the music and the production and the lyrics, when it came time to record the song, did it still feel like something you were enjoying?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  God, that's such a great question.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Lizzo loved this song so much from the beginning that every time we looked at it, she was excited to just tap back in.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yes. So by the time it was ready to, like, record the vocal, vocal, I was like, "Hell, yeah, let's go." Because being able to write a song like "Still Bad" after coming out of the depression that I was in is remarkable. And I'm really proud of myself for being able to find myself again after all of that. Like, I lost a lot from loss of relationships to, like, loss of self, loss of innocence. To come back from all of that and be like, "Shit, how do I turn this into something that everybody knows and loves?" Because the last thing I wanted was for people to be like, "Oh, this is a song about Lizzo, for Lizzo."

• 29:27Speaker 01

  I wanted people to be like, "Jesus, like, did you read the news today? Oh, like, I need a drink. We gotta get through this day somehow, together." So, yes, when I was making it, it was very deeply satisfying and selfish. And I was like, "Ooh, this is for me." And then you get all of that shit out first. And then the songwriter kicks in, and you're like, "How do I make this for all of us?"

• 29:58Hrishikesh Hirway?

  And now, here is "Still Bad" by Lizzo in its entirety.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  I'm bout to throw my phone away Can't let my girls, no bro been fucking with my day He act like he can't be replaced, okay Well, he gon' hate to see me leave, but love to watch me walk away He knocked me down Thought I'd never get my fine ass off the ground, oh But I'm ready now Feeling crazy lately, baby, let's go out I don't need him, I need a drink

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby Like cheers, bitch, it's been a day

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Might take that last light out to Vegas, what's y'all think? Okay! I don't need him, I need a drink I don't know why I been so fucked up lately But after everything I'm still surviving and I'm still bad, baby So bitch, I can't complain

• 31:19Speaker 03

  I'm still bad, babe

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Plot twist, I'm doing great

• 31:27Speaker 03

  I make that been-through shit look sexy anyway I don't need him, I need to throw ass In a minute, break fast with my bitches Real good, real life, damn, I been missing He knocked me down Thought I'd never get my fine ass off the ground, oh But I'm ready now Feeling crazy lately, baby, let's go out I don't need him, I need a drink Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby. Like cheers, bitch, it's been a day. Might take that last light out to Vegas, put your thing.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Okay. I don't need him, I need a drink. I don't know why I've been so fucked up lately. But after everything, I'm still surviving and I'm still bad, baby. So bitch, I can't complain. I'm still bad, babe. Who's bad? I'm still bad. Don't stop, get it, yeah. She back in the building, still bad, don't forget it. I'm still bad. Don't stop, get it, yeah. She back in the building, still bad, don't forget it.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  I don't need him, I need a drink. Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby. Like cheers, bitch, it's been a day. Oh, been a day. Might take that last light out to Vegas, put your thing. Okay. I don't need him, I need a drink. I don't know why I've been so fucked up lately. But after everything, I'm still surviving and I'm still bad, baby. So bitch, I can't complain.

• 33:31Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Visit songexploder.net/lizzo to learn more. You'll find links to buy or stream "Still Bad", and you can watch the music video. This episode was produced by me, Mary Dolan, Craig Ely, and Kathleen Smith, with production assistance from Tiger Biscuit. The episode artwork is by Carlos Lerma, and I made the show's theme music and logo. Song Exploder is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent, listener-supported, artist-owned podcasts. You can learn more about our shows at radiotopia.fm. If you'd like to hear more from me, you can sign up for my newsletter. You can find it on the Song Exploder website. You can also follow me and Song Exploder on Instagram, and you can get a Song Exploder t-shirt

• 34:14Hrishikesh Hirway?

  at songexploder.net/shirt. I'm Rishi Kesh Hirway. Thanks for listening.

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