‘The Ethical Hacker’ Exposes Satanic Child Predators Lurking Online & How He Hunts Them

What percentage of suicides are inspired by satanic death cults online? Ryan Montgomery tracks crime on the internet and says it’s more common than we know. (00:00) Ryan Shows How Easy It Is to Find a Stranger’s Information (25:47) How Roblox Is a Playground for Predators (33:07) The Satanic Cult Blackmailing Children Into Self-Harm (43:02) Ryan Shows Tucker One of the Groups Doing This (1:16:26) Is There Any Effort From the FBI to Stop This? Ryan Montgomery is the #1 ranked hacker on TryHackMe, the world’s most popular competitive hacking platform, with more than 6 million users. As co-founder of Pentester.com and CTO of Sentinel Foundation, Ryan brings over 19 years of cybersecurity experience spanning ethical hacking, threat research, digital investigations, and online safety. A major focus of Ryan’s work is protecting children online. Through Sentinel Foundation and his broader advocacy, he works to create safer digital spaces for young people while helping parents understand the risks their children face on the internet. His mission is to combine deep technical expertise with practical education, giving families, organizations, and communities the tools they need to recognize threats, prevent exploitation, and build a safer online world. YouTube channel is @0dayctf and instagram is @0day Paid partnerships with: Dose: Daily supplements for the systems that support you. Use code TUCKER for 35% at https://dosedaily.co/tucker Good Ranchers: Start your plan today and you'll get FREE meat included with every order PLUS $100 off your first three orders. Use code TUCKER at https://go.goodranchers.com/tucker Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:35Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, I wanted to do this. I wanted to meet you. I heard about you from my friend Sean Ryan, wonderful man. It was going on about you and the work that you're doing on the darkest things happening on the internet, which we'll talk about in a minute. But he said, this is a guy who really understands how to use the internet, just open source. And also not open source, since I'm also an expert on hacking. But, so let's just start there. What can you learn about someone you've never met on the internet, open source?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Basically, everything. And what I did with you, because I was told in advance that you're not really a computer guy.

• 1:12Tucker Carlson?

  I don't own a computer, actually.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  You don't even own a computer.

• 1:15Tucker Carlson?

  I do not own a computer. I have an iPhone, which is, I don't know how different that is from a computer. I haven't owned a computer since 2011, because I just disapprove, basically.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Well, to each his own, right? That is a computer that you have.

• 1:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you're totally right.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Back when I was a kid, that thing's like 10 times more powerful.

• 1:34Tucker Carlson?

  You're totally right. And I always say, I don't have a TV, but I get X or whatever, YouTube on my phone. So it's like a distinction without a difference. It's just, it's an absurd pretense that I keep up.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Hey, well, when I was doing the research, I confirmed that running your phone number, running your email, there's not many accounts connected to them.

• 1:53Tucker Carlson?

  No accounts. Yeah, I don't have email that I use. I don't have email, really. And I've had the same phone number since 1995.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  I found some old, and I'll show you in a second, but the old news-related emails, there was one with S. Carlson at, you know, I found all your old emails. But it doesn't seem like anything is active. So the 20-minute challenge was, I think you might be shocked.

• 2:19Tucker Carlson?

  So it's a 20-minute challenge, 20 minutes to find out what you can about somebody?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  That's all, we called it that in the office, just to see what we could find on you. And let me pull out my laptop and show you.

• 2:29Tucker Carlson?

  So you do own a computer is what you're saying?

• 2:31Speaker 02

  I own a lot of computers.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  I am a nerd.

• 2:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, there's something about I, I don't know. I just, we're not in charge of

• 2:44Tucker Carlson?

  the growth of technology and it's increasing power over our lives. I'm certainly not in charge and yes, I did put in Starlink in my hunting camp, which is a huge mixed blessing, but I just, I just want to say out loud that I disapprove.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Disapprove of these.

• 2:59Tucker Carlson?

  I do, I just do. No, I don't disapprove of computers.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  We can smash this thing right here on camera.

• 3:04Tucker Carlson?

  No, I'm not that unreasonable. I just, I don't, I, I feel like human autonomy and human consciousness, like our ability to think for ourselves is, is threatened by technology and I'm upset by it.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  I agree with that and this might make you even more angry. So is this your social security number?

• 3:25Tucker Carlson?

  Let me get my glasses.

• 3:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it certainly is. How do you know my social security number?

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Well, so I have your social security number. I have your full name, obviously. I don't think that's a secret. I see all your fishing licenses and, and, you know, hunting licenses from Alaska, Oregon, Virginia. I mean, I found all the places that you do your thing.

• 3:49Tucker Carlson?

  Alaska, Oregon, Virginia.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Yep. I even have your driver's license number in Florida.

• 3:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that's.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Looks like you haven't changed your phone number in a long time.

• 3:57Tucker Carlson?

  1995.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's.

• 3:58Tucker Carlson?

  Every mental patient in America has my phone number. Everybody is. I'm not afraid of people. I'm never going to be afraid of people. So.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  One thing I want to tell you about how I have your social security number and why it's kind of ridiculous, to be honest with you. Have you heard of the National Public Data Breach?

• 4:13Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Okay, so.

• 4:15Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just say that I keep my assets in gold coins buried in a place that, you know, only my children can identify. So.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Well, you know what?

• 4:21Tucker Carlson?

  I'm totally safe. You can't drain my bank account.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Well, let me show you something. You might not be able to drain your bank account, but

• 4:31Speaker 02

  here is your signature from your warranty deed.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  So having your-

• 4:36Tucker Carlson?

  How do you have that? That is my actual signature.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I'm aware.

• 4:40Tucker Carlson?

  Which is not my name, so I don't know how you would have that.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Oh, I pulled it from public record.

• 4:45Tucker Carlson?

  That is crazy.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Yep, so if I use your social, I have your, you know, general location. I know you use a P O. Box to buy, you know, buy everything. I found behind, you know, I found behind the P O. Box. I saw your motorcycle transaction that you made. I have the old plate and the new plate with the Harley.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I found as much as I could in the 20 minutes.

• 5:07Tucker Carlson?

  You found my Harley!

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So-

• 5:10Tucker Carlson?

  Not something I talk about. That's so funny. Wow. Okay.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  But my point here is-

• 5:15Tucker Carlson?

  The new six speeds are amazing. Can I just say that?

• 5:17Speaker 02

  I can imagine.

• 5:18Tucker Carlson?

  My old Harley had four speeds.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  I love motorcycles.

• 5:20Tucker Carlson?

  I do too. Yeah, I secretly do. Very secretly.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  So the National Public Data breach was ridiculous, to be honest with you. It was 2.8 billion records about a year and a half ago roughly. And a Florida sheriff ran a data broker website, which had, you know, just you could look up somebody's name, similar to White Pages. But for whatever reason, this Florida sheriff got access to all of this data and was using it to, you know, I'm assuming sell data, make money on it. Well, he decided to reuse credentials for a demo project or old project on his main production system, which allowed 2.8 billion records to be exposed with, you know, we know there's about 300 million Americans. So if there's 2.8 billion records in this database,

• 6:07Speaker 02

  there's a good chance that you're in it with your social security number. And you're in there about, I think, 15 times, if you look at that document, with everywhere you've ever lived, you know, including anyone associated, et cetera. So-

• 6:20Tucker Carlson?

  And this is all publicly available now?

• 6:21Speaker 02

  It's publicly available. And what we did was because, since, like I said, I could, you know, maybe you have all your assets in gold, let's say. Like, I have the ability to call your electric company and pretend that I'm you. And what do I not have about you to confirm that I'm you? You know, or if I want to open up a credit card, or if I want to buy a Harley, you know, there's not much that's stopping me. So our- You know, we decided, and I'll get into some of this in a little bit, but like, you know, we started a cybersecurity company using the methodologies that I use to locate these predators and traffickers. And instead of doing something like, you know, targeting bad people, you can, you can sign up for it and protect your, your digital footprint.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  So we, we were, you're sitting in a hotel room, this data breach came out and we're like, we want people to know if they're in this like immediately because if your social's exposed, you should be freezing your credit like right now. And we noticed nobody else, nobody else was allowing anyone to search for this. So we threw it together as fast as we possibly could. And it was all over the place. Like, we didn't realize that the news was going to pick up on it the way that it did. There were congresspeople in, in New York even, showing how to, demonstrating how to use our search on our website. I believe it was Richie Torres in New York. And there was a bunch of them. That's just the one that's coming to mind. And, you know, this is not me trying to advertise, it's just

• 7:45Speaker 02

  relevant to the story. But like, people would go to NPD, like nationalpublicdata.pentester.com, and, and you can run your name, you'll see if you're in this breach. If you are, it doesn't cost you any money whatsoever to freeze your credit. And we, we give you the instruction on how to go to TransUnion, Equifax, Experian, and, and freeze it. And people think, well, if I freeze my credit, it's going to affect my score or whatever. It doesn't hurt your score to freeze it. It just stops people from being able to run a soft or hard query against it. And, and when you're ready to go do something that requires your credit, you just click the unfreeze button, which takes 10 seconds. They run your credit and then you freeze it again. And this will alleviate a ton, a ton of issues.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know if your credit's frozen. I'm hoping by the time that this episode's out, it is because-

• 8:33Tucker Carlson?

  I don't have any credit. I don't take any loans.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, if you're not worried, you're not worried.

• 8:38Tucker Carlson?

  I don't want credit. I don't like money lending, period.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Understood, understood. But most people would be worried, but there's a good chance there's like, this is not me fear mongering. Your social is most likely in this database if you're, if you're watching this episode, you know, so it's the way that you didn't know about it. Even though it was all over the news, a lot, like almost everyone I meet face to face is not aware that they're in this data breach. And, uh, and we're, we're doing a good job at exposing that it exists. I cannot take this data breach off of some hacker's computer in Russia, like, or, you know, whoever downloaded it. I can, I don't know how familiar you are with how these data breaches work, but like, I can't remove your data from a data breach. It's just a file that could share it amongst many people. It's out there. So your social is on as many people's computers as downloaded that data breach.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  So we're doing the same thing, but showing you, you know, we're allowing you to search through that file. And then we give you the, the options to, to freeze your credit.

• 9:35Tucker Carlson?

  We're gonna need biometrics really soon. I mean, that's probably the point of this, right? To get us to biometrics, cause.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I just don't understand how the sheriff in the first place got, got access to every single American's personal information, including their socials. But from there, we thought, well, how, how can you clean up your digital footprint? Which I'm going to show you something that I think, I don't know what your thoughts on facial recognition are and all of that. But I want to show you some cool stuff that people are scared of, but they should also look at as, you know, you have a digital footprint, even though you don't use a computer. Like, people need to realize that. They have to understand.

• 10:08Tucker Carlson?

  How long until people's porn records get leaked?

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Immediately. This is like, I could show you an example of it right now. And, um, you know, the way that, the way that we built this platform was, like I said, how we identified predators and traffickers. But now it's, any consumer can sign up for it. See what's out there on them. See what accounts are connected to them, their kids, if their kids have some secret, you know, accounts or anything like that. And, uh, let's say they were in a wedding photo four years ago and they were in the back corner and half their face is showing. That might be enough identifiable information. So I've identified that, you know, they are, you know, what their name is or who they are, just by them walking down the street and being in a photo, which I'll. demonstrate so that makes more sense.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  You know, we could use somebody here that doesn't have as much of a public image because you and I, we can take a picture and you're going to see a ton of results. But somebody, if they're willing, if not, I'll show you my own face or yours or whatever you'd like.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  We built that because, you know, we, I'll give you a good example. This happened recently. So we hired, are you familiar with Wynwood?

• 11:09Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  In Miami?

• 11:10Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Okay, so it's an art district in Miami and there's awesome graffiti artists down there. And we decided to hire a graffiti artist that, you know, is most likely committing crimes when he's not being paid legitimately to, to paint our office. And the guy was a super nice guy, but he went by an alias and he was going to be in our office for six to eight days. That's what he said to us. So we said to the guy, uh, you know, we, we asked him what his name was. He was a little bit hesitant to tell us. He, you know, he, he honestly didn't. He just told us his alias, which was a three letter word. And, um, I took a picture of his face and I, I ran it through our system. I found a picture of him with his grandparents that had their full names in it.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  And I said, look, man, this is how easy, you know, a surveillance camera or anybody taking a photo of you can identify you in 2026. You know, we could get into the whole Europe privacy laws with facial recognition in China, but like in the United States with this technology, instead of using it for good, in, in our case, where we're showing you what's out there about yourself, people can use this for bad to identify you or your kids or, or, you know, your family and it's, it's very dangerous and, um, you know, we, we just want people to know about this stuff. So we built some really cool technology. If you want to check it out.

• 12:23Tucker Carlson?

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• 15:21Tucker Carlson?

  It's worth it. So can you do that for anyone in the US?

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, anyone. Yeah, I mean, I, let me see if I, do you mind if I get up and show you?

• 15:28Tucker Carlson?

  I hope you will.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 15:36Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  And then there's all of the addresses that came from the data breach.

• 15:41Tucker Carlson?

  Hold on. Oh my gosh.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Probably going back a long time.

• 15:48Tucker Carlson?

  That's my childhood home.

• 15:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, these are places I haven't lived in 40 years.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 15:57Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, that is crazy. Okay.

• 16:02Tucker Carlson?

  So you've just taken a picture of my face and you're feeding my face into the database?

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm not going to feed it into the, into the database. Like, this is not going to be stored or anything like that. We, we're only doing it just to show an example of, it's, it's taking 120 measurements of your face. Uh, so like, for example, let's say you're wearing makeup or something, or you have purple hair. It doesn't make a difference because there's other measurements that will, and like I said, there could be, it could be half of your face or a quarter of your face. It's just going to try to use those measurements to identify you, um, not the actual image itself. There's a difference between reverse image searching, like looking for an identical image, and reverse facial recognition where it's trying to measure like, this nostril is this many centimeters from the lower ear lobe, you know, and, and a lot of different measurements.

• 16:51Tucker Carlson?

  Let's just say you're not a criminal, you have no interest in breaking the law here in the United States, but you don't want to be identified on the basis of your face.

• 17:01Tucker Carlson?

  Is there anything you can do to disguise your identity in foil facial recognition?

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, wearing a mask, I mean, you, you could still be identified by the top half of your face. I mean, you could wear like a COVID mask or something if you're one of those guys, but uh, you know, you could do that. You could, you could wear, I mean, it's, it's, it's extreme though, you know, like a wearing, wearing a full face mask to cover, uh, it's put a hood up and walk past cameras with your head down. I mean, you can't really get around this technology.

• 17:33Tucker Carlson?

  You can't. So sunglasses, don't do it.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no, we could, we could try to mess with you in any way. And I guarantee you, I mean, I, yeah, here you are all over the place here.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  I'll speak loud, but you see these, these URLs underneath of them?

• 17:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  So in each one of these, and there's going to be, and there's an endless supply of photos of you on the internet, Tucker. So it'd be kind of pointless to go through these for you. Um, but let's say you're average person. Let's say you're in your 40, 50, 60, and you don't know what's out there on yourself because it's not possible to search by your face unless you have a specialized tool to do it.

• 18:12Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Law enforcement usually has this, you know, ability, but consumers don't. And um, what we did is uh, we, we allow you to search and we show you where that image is at. So then you can either reach out to us, or if you can take it upon yourself to contact that website, whether it be, let's say, as I use the wedding, wedding photographer, reach out to that wedding photographer and say, Hey, I would like my photo taken down off of your website. Or if it's, you know, maybe you're at a kid's sports game and it's showing pictures of your children, like, you know, you want to know that that stuff is out there because somebody else could be searching you. It's, you know, it's not about, everybody's like, it's not going to happen to me. It's not going to happen to me. But then sometimes it happens to you. And uh, and that, that's why we built what we built. And we're trying to hit every angle. We're trying to hit your, your, you know,

• 18:57Speaker 02

  your digital footprint as a whole. And then we're automating as many removals as possible for you. So you could just, you know, essentially put in your email, put in your name to pen tester, uh, as much information As you're willing to give us and then over time it'll start to build out a profile on you. The same way that I did in that little challenge, but automatically. And then you'll start to see removals happening over time. And you'll see where it got removed from where, you know, how many are pending, how many are left. It's a super cool, easy process. And I'm going to sound like a car salesman, but like it's less than 20 bucks. And I don't know why it's a, I think everybody should, should be doing it. There's just nobody out there doing this and you get all of this for $20.

• 19:43Tucker Carlson?

  It doesn't seem like there's any privacy possible in the United States.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely not. No. And when it comes to technology, you are fully exposed. It's like you're naked, you know, I mean, I came in here, you know, we met one time before in person and, you know, it's not like I snuck your social out of your wallet that day. Like I, I came in here saying, hey, Tucker, I have your social security number, your warranty deed and your, your signature. Yeah, maybe you don't have credit, but most people, most people in the United States do. And it's a big deal to them, you know?

• 20:13Tucker Carlson?

  So of course, and I didn't mean, I understand that and I, the system is set up against people. Which is my main problem with the system. You shouldn't have to be heavily in debt in order to live here.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 20:24Tucker Carlson?

  If you've got a job and you're like a responsible person who works eight hours a day, but you have to have debt.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  No, you shouldn't have to.

• 20:31Tucker Carlson?

  Then the system is designed to enslave you, which ours is. So that I'm just opposed to it. So, but I didn't mean to be like, oh, I don't have any debt. No, I know I'm very privileged not to have debt. And by the way, it's the very first thing I did when I made some dough. I didn't buy anything. I paid off all my loans because I despise being indebted to anybody. And I despise the people who put you in debt. I do. I mean it.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Understood.

• 20:55Tucker Carlson?

  From the bottom of my heart.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:57Tucker Carlson?

  Is I would despise a slave master and they run around like, whoa, we're making the American dream possible. No, you're, you're stealing it actually from people and you should be ashamed.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Totally agree with you there and.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  No, you're good.

• 21:12Tucker Carlson?

  You can see I'm filled with eccentric resentments, but in a normal society, we would recognize that. And anyone who's lending money at like super high interest rates committing usury at that level should be prosecuted for it.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Hundred and ten percent. I agree with that. I mean, even those payday loans, for example, are horrible. The reverse mortgages are being marketed like crazy right now. I mean, there's a lot of dangerous, horrible loans.

• 21:32Tucker Carlson?

  Totally immoral. And they're always running around calling everyone else immoral. But that is immoral. And by the way, I gave a speech once to the payday loan lenders in the Bahamas back was 25 years ago, before I really had any views on anything. And they were amusing, but man, that was the sleaziest group of people I've ever met in my life.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  I have no doubt. I don't know how they sleep at night.

• 21:52Tucker Carlson?

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• 23:03Speaker 05

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked three hundred fifty thousand Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:33Tucker Carlson?

  So anyway, so anyway, but I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be like, I can't believe people have to have jobs.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Everybody has.

• 23:39Tucker Carlson?

  Everyone is in debt. Everyone has to be.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  You know, I totally understand that. And, uh, and the way I look at it and my personal belief is that, you know, there's good debt and bad debt because you can, in my, in my life, I own software companies and, and real estate and, and, you know, taking an equity line out to buy another property.

• 23:54Tucker Carlson?

  You're playing at a different level. I've never been in business. I'm just like some employee who talks for a living. So like, I have a very simple financial picture of my life. Don't have that much money, but I don't have any debt. And I think in my business where you like make people mad, if you have debt, boy, you know.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  They go after it.

• 24:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Because judgments and means are, are public as well. So you don't have any, obviously, but it's a, usually that, you know, people could find them.

• 24:18Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you wonder why all these members of Congress and the hair hats on television are all saying exactly the same thing because they're exposed and everyone thinks it's exposed sexually and a huge number of them are creepy sexually, but it's not just that. It's the money. It's the debt is the leash that keeps them in line.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 24:35Tucker Carlson?

  I think.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. You, you might be right. You might be right. It sounds like it. It's a, I, uh, I've never had this conversation before. I know, really, it's, you know, for me, it's like, no, you're fine. You're fine. It's a, it's.

• 24:47Tucker Carlson?

  Well, if you're, if you're, if, you know, if you're in debt to anybody, you're literally in debt to them. You owe them something you haven't yet paid. So that is, um, by definition, uh, their control over you, right?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. They have control over you and they can take your assets if you don't pay them. So.

• 25:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I totally understand it. And, um, it's, it's a risky, it's a, depending on the, you know, depending on the type of person, some people are more risk taking when they don't have the funds. They, you know, I don't believe you should be taking out loans that you can't afford.

• 25:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Um, it's, you know, people saying, don't spend money you don't have. It's a, it's something most people are aware of, but some people don't practice that.

• 25:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I I used to feel that way. Now I'm kind of like, I don't know. I think people should stop paying their credit cards. I know no one else agrees with me. And oh, you have a moral obligation. Really? Well, you have a moral obligation not to send credit card applications to kids in college. So this goes both ways. It's like just blaming the drug addict and never mentioning the dealer. Someone's selling the fentanyl and that person is on the hook, too. So that's how I feel. So like, is it a sin to rip off your drug dealer? I guess it's not one I'm going to judge you for.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's 100% agree with you there. I can't argue that.

• 26:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. So anyway, um, wow. Well, that's all very shocking. Let me ask you a super dumb question because that's the only kind I have, which is when someone has your social security number, like, how threatening is that?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  So when someone has your social, it just gives them the ability to, you know, pretend to be you. So whether it be, you know, we talked about loans and credit and all that stuff. Take that out of the picture. Imagine if, you know, I think you've experienced this based on just a rumor, you've been SIM swapped before, like somebody's stolen your phone number and tried to-

• 26:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah, multiple times.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  So, you know, I'm assuming your your carrier now is a lot more strict with your phone number.

• 26:40Tucker Carlson?

  We've locked it down, yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But to I for your average person, if I call in and I say, hey, I'm Jane Doe. I have your social, you know, I have her social security number. I could sound like a man. They can't judge me in 2026. So I'm Jane Doe with a with a man's voice with a social. They're going to let me do practically anything I want to the account. That doesn't mean essentially every time is going to be a SIM swap, but I can authenticate to pretty much anything as you. Your electric in your house, let's say, you know, I report a problem with the electric and they they turn the power off and on a, you know, Friday night and you don't get your power back till Monday. That could be a problem in some cold areas or some hot areas.

• 27:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  I mean, there's real life consequences to a social security number, which is such a ridiculous way to identify somebody because they they're incremental. And I think it was 2011 is when the prefix of them, like the first three digits started becoming randomized, like the first, I think it was the three digits met like the hospital and the next two was the timeframe, something like that. After 2011, it was changed to completely random. But, you know, social security numbers are not, in my opinion, a good way to keep yourself private.

• 27:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, because they are not, and this is what I sort of half-assed you a minute ago. Because the system is so obviously flawed and the internet itself is not secure because it was designed to be open. It will never be secure.

• 28:00Tucker Carlson?

  There will always be data breaches, always. And because everything takes place on the internet, specifically financial transactions, don't we have to go to biometrics?

• 28:11Speaker 02

  I think we need to, yeah. And it's a, it is absolutely a possibility now with, you know, fingerprints have been around for a long time for fingerprint locks. And now the consumer can go to Home Depot and buy a fingerprint lock for your, for your home. But, you know, we have biometrics for retina scanning that are, that one, I seen it at the airport before with Clear. I think Clear might have changed from retina scanning to just facial recognition. But we have the ability to do all of these different biometrics that are pretty, you know, pretty solid ways to authenticate yourself. The issue, which we could get more into this later, but there, there's platforms out there that are trying to use biometrics like facial scanning to determine age to allow someone on a platform. It's failing miserably. And

• 28:54Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Because it's just the technology is doing a bad job at identifying the person's age. Like, like, for example, if I scanned my face, it might say, you know, I'm, I'm 32 years old, but it could tell me that I'm 50, it could tell me that I'm 18, it could tell me that I'm 16. It just depends on whatever that platform decides.

• 29:12Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  And in my experience.

• 29:14Tucker Carlson?

  It depends on the kind of life you've lived.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's exactly.

• 29:16Tucker Carlson?

  Honestly, Ryan?

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and I have lived a crazy life, so who knows what the, I don't know. This is in particular with the last couple of weeks with Roblox. So Roblox implemented this as a safety measure after a guy named Shlepp, his name, he goes by. And, and myself went on some podcasts, talked about the dangers of that platform and showed some real examples, which, you know, I'll show you some stuff in a little bit. But their way to combat this issue was, you know, at least what it seems, is using. Kids, they have to scan their face and then they get grouped into, you know, grouped into lobbies with other kids their age that they determined from a third-party company that we don't know what they're doing with the biometric data of the children's faces.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  And a lot of the time, they're getting it wrong. And to make matters worse, you can go on eBay and buy accounts for certain age ranges. So what do you think a predator is going to do with, let's say, you get a 13-year-old account already verified, Roblox for, you know, $15 on eBay. Now the guy can go target 13-year-olds because he just spent 15 bucks. It's a, you can, you know, but the moral of that is, you know, Roblox has a huge responsibility. They're a big platform. They're the largest platform for children in the world. They're, you know, they're a multi-billion dollar corporation. And, you know, I can't fully blame them. I don't think they've made good decisions.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  I don't know if you know that they've banned vigilantes from their platform. They don't let law enforcement on there.

• 30:49Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so can you describe for people who don't have kids at home what Roblox is?

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Okay, so Roblox is, imagine Legos. Like, you know, I'm sure most people know what Legos are. Digital Legos where they're walking around the screen, they're chatting with each other, and they're playing games with each other. Like, just to keep things simple, tic-tac-toe, virtually. And they look like little Lego characters. And the children are able to type to each other and talk inside of these Roblox games. And there's, you know, four, five, six, seven, eight-year-old children playing this game. It's very, very popular amongst them. And, you know, with this, you know, with this age verification situation that they just added, it makes it more dangerous, in my opinion, and I have solutions on what they could do. I have a friend that I can't name, but they're federal law enforcement.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  They, you know, have been in child crimes for longer than I've been alive, and they didn't even get them to the second interview stage. I found out that they don't have anyone, this could, this is just me being told something, but I found out they had no one that's ever worked child crimes for our government or legal state, working on their team to help with these issues. And as the largest game in the world for children, you would think that they would do everything in their power to keep predators off of that platform. And, oh, and the point that I was trying to get at was that... If you have a platform that's full of kids, it's gonna, it's gonna attract the child. Uh, I'm, I'm sorry. If you have a platform that's, that is full of children, it's gonna attract the predator. Uh, cause that's what predators do.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  They, they put themselves in positions like becoming teachers or becoming, you know, police officers or camp counselors or, you know, whatever, whatever gives them access to children. So, yes, Roblox is, for me to say, is Roblox intentionally trying to make a platform for predators to groom children? I don't think that's their goal, but I think they're doing a horrible job at trying to combat it. And, uh, and there's easy ways for them to make this problem a lot better. And what I wanna do as an individual is, uh, is educate as many parents out there that, you know, that, cause a lot of them, their kids are playing this game. You know, 150 million daily active users or, or something, something like that. Some crazy high number of kids around the world are playing this game.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  And, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's, it saddens me that parents have no idea. They just hand them an iPad, they hand them a computer and they just, they sit in a corner and play this game where strangers are getting access to them and asking them for some of the most horrific things that I've ever seen in almost eight years of child crimes and trafficking, which, you know, I, I, uh, there's, there's a lot, like, it's, it's a lot easier to show you what I mean by that than by tell you that. Cause it's, you know, parents, parents, you know, can hear, uh, internet has predators. The park, there might be a sex offender at the park that's, that's staring at a kid. But until they see it or, or it's happened to them, it's usually not real. Um, and of course it's easy to say somebody like myself who works in this space is gonna

• 33:48Speaker 02

  be an extremist or somebody that's, that's gonna immediately assume everybody is bad because I deal with this every day. I have no evidence to believe that, that it isn't a significant problem because I can't, I, I'm finding in my, in almost eight years, that there's more people that are willing to meet or talk with a child inappropriately than not on not just Roblox, but any social media platform, chat app. And I've, and I've demonstrated this live on, on many podcasts and it's never failed, unfortunately. I wish that I could fail. I wish I could pull my laptop out, go to a chat site, pretend to be a child and not have a grown man asking me to do something inappropriate. But I have never failed, unfortunately.

• 34:28Tucker Carlson?

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• 35:34Speaker 05

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, theHouseMajorityPac.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 36:04Tucker Carlson?

  Part of the problem is it's too upsetting. And I think we were talking about this off camera. I think it's, you know, the most upsetting things, children being hurt being at the very top of it.

• 36:16Tucker Carlson?

  People can't even face it. They don't want to think about it. They just compartmentalize it and move on. Because, not because they support it, but precisely because of how violently they are opposed to it. But it's just really upsetting.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  I understand that, but to give you just a counter to that, I mean, right after my interview with Sean Ryan, a 13-year-old girl from the same exact group I was just talking about. Was hanging by an extension cord in the parking lot. Um, and in the chat room, while she did this live, we're saying that they would, you know, she took her clothes off. It'd be hotter. She died, you know, in the parking lot. This happened right after. Yeah, yeah, there's, there's, there's been a ton of suicides. This is, this is a significant issue. And that's why I wanted to talk about it and, and Sean brought it up.

• 36:56Tucker Carlson?

  What platform was this?

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Uh, that was, they, they, they're luring through mental health support groups. They're looking for vulnerable kids. Um, and then they befriend them and then after they befriend them and they, uh, you know, pretend they're, they're a boyfriend or girlfriend. They exchange nude photos. And then after the nude photos are exchanged, instead of, uh, sextorting them like a Nigerian scammer might for money, they try to get them to harm themselves in exchange for not having their photos exposed to, you know, their friends, family, school. They're sextorting them, but they're, they're using, uh, instead of money, they want them to carve group names and usernames into their chests, into their wrists, into their bodies. And then, uh, you know, sometimes it escalates to harming animals, uh, like their pets in their houses.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Or hurting strangers, literally, there's been murders of strangers, lighting homeless people on fire. A guy torched himself in a hotel room just to prove that he was worthy of being part of one of these groups. I mean, this is, this is not just happening in like a little part of the country somewhere, you know, randomly, this is on a mass scale. And, uh, you know, the, there, there's some people that are saying that it's, that one of the biggest dangers for children at the moment is, is these groups. Which I, I know it's sad. I know people don't want to hear this stuff.

• 38:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's overwhelming because there's no motive.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  They don't have a motive.

• 38:16Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  They're a nihilist extreme extremist group.

• 38:19Tucker Carlson?

  So that, I mean, I think is the definition of evil. The whole point of it is the suffering. There's no, it's not like you, you know, robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk in order to get his money, which is obviously evil. But at least it's explicable in human terms. This is just spiritual evil.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  It's spiritually evil and, and their, they, their logo is, is a pentagram. They, they identify as a satanic cult. And, uh, and the, the, and the original group was called seven, six, four group. That was, it was the original, the first one that ever came out that had this, uh, ideology or methodology that they use and they, they have like guides, literal guides that teach you how to groom and extort these children. And they, they spread them amongst each other. Well, now there's hundreds, if not thousands of these offshoots that do exactly the same thing, using different names. And, um, You know.

• 39:07Tucker Carlson?

  Has there been any effort to arrest these groups?

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this is what makes it a little bit difficult. So there's 450 active investigations right now with the FBI, not nearly enough. I mean, I'm, I could show you one group that Sentinel Foundation and I, which I'll explain how I even got involved in Sentinel Foundation in a minute. I can go in one of those groups and there's more than 450 targets in that group alone. I mean, it's, and more needs to be done from law enforcement, but I understand that there's difficulty because it's not like we're going after the cartel where there's a ringleader and then you can arrest all the guys underneath them. They're all in the same town or they might get caught together. These guys are from all over the country, some of them international, and it's going to be one at a time, you know, and they don't use their real names. They don't

• 39:53Speaker 02

  use real photos of themselves. They go by aliases and, and, you know, it's, it's really, it's very sad. And, but the way to tackle this issue is not by arresting one guy at a time because the groups, these groups are just massively getting larger and larger and larger and a new offshoot comes out, the second one disappears. What would happens is, you know, in my experience, parents being aware of the issue, knowing what it is, knowing what to look for on their children's devices, that's going to cause a lot more impact and fix this problem, or at least make a huge dent in this problem, rather than making the total of 30 arrests that have happened and the five on name, maybe as a total of 35 arrests

• 40:37Speaker 02

  since the inception a couple of years ago. You know, I think alerting parents is going to do a way bigger.

• 40:43Tucker Carlson?

  35 people total have been arrested in five years?

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think it's like three or four years. I don't quote me on that, but it's

• 40:50Tucker Carlson?

  But not 3,000?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Not a lot, not significant. Yeah, it should be way more than that. It should be way more than that, but it's not. And, and these guys aren't some like crazy hackers. They're, they're connected to hacking groups called the com. It's a, it's very deep. It's a long story. But they're not like these elite hackers that are impossible to find. A lot of them are 16, 20 somethings that, you know, they're, they'll feel comfortable with somebody, pretend, or I'm sorry, they'll feel. Like they're actually their friend and disclose their real name or phone number or general idea where they live. And if that person gets arrested, you know, they're snitching, you know, they're looking at 30 years to life or something. They're telling on everyone they can. So, but it's not, as I, as I said, again, we can make as many arrests as possible and I'm

• 41:33Speaker 02

  all for it. But when it comes down to, you know, the, the scale of this issue, 30, 35 arrests, let's just say it is, is not nearly enough. So I think educating parents is going to do a lot more. And that's why I'm doing these podcasts. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing this for, for parents and children, of course.

• 41:54Tucker Carlson?

  Where's the forum? You said there are these chat groups where this begins. Where are those?

• 42:00Speaker 02

  So I have some screenshots of, of these mental health support groups. Sometimes they're official, like actual mental health support groups where a child may be having suicidal ideations or eating disorder or whatever it may be. And, and these guys will join there looking for the child that's, you know, that's suffering. And then they, they reach out to them and pull them out of that site. So there's, there's the official real sites that, that really will help you for your mental health. And they're, they're luring from there. And then they create their own fake ones where they'll post on Twitter that'll say, you know, are you struggling with X, Y, Z? Join this group. They join the group. Everybody's all nice to you and friendly and bubbly. And then the second

• 42:41Speaker 02

  that you send that nude photo, and, and I'm sure, you know, if, if you, if, if, like for me, when I was a kid, getting bullied in school, for example, I just, it's something that at the time, I thought it would never go away. I thought that my life was over. I thought that no matter, you know, no matter what I did, like, nobody was ever going to like me, you know, and, and I relate with these, these kids, that when they send these nude photos, they think my life's ruined, you know, if this, if this gets out to my school or to my family or to my, you know, boss or whatever it may be, that they're never going to come back from it. Like, yeah, they made a mistake. They shouldn't have been sending a naked photo of themselves on the internet. I get that. But their life will be okay. It does, it doesn't mean you have to end your life over.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  And that's what these these guys want you to do. They want you to hurt yourself to the point where they they're recording it. They create, you know, content from it and send it to other groups and brag about what they're doing. And, you know, and the end result is is them trying to get you to end your life and cause as much violence and extreme extremism as possible. And like, like I said, I have video after video of these people live on camera, talking to these group members, stabbing strangers, lighting people on fire, kicking old women down the steps. And I could go on and on and on. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff, but it's it's happening. And kids are are susceptible to this. And they're like, they're at risk. I mean, they're genuinely

• 44:09Speaker 02

  at risk. This is not me. I'm not like putting a tinfoil hat on right now and saying like, this is a problem. This is a problem. Like, a significant one. So I would like to show you that. I know you're uncomfortable with it. I just want you to see.

• 44:22Tucker Carlson?

  Please do.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:25Tucker Carlson?

  Just as you're talking, I'm thinking, like, how did we get to a place like this?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Evil. I think that, you know, we could get on a deep conversation about this, but I and people might say I'm I'm nuts, but I believe that we're we could be in the end times. Like, it's the world's pretty messed up right now. So.

• 44:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, the love between people will grow cold. That is predicted.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  It is.

• 44:49Tucker Carlson?

  And it clearly has into hurt people for the for the pure joy of hurting them.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  That's it. There is no other benefit.

• 44:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  And I've never seen anything like that in my life. You know, I especially coordinated and connected with real Satanist groups like Order of Nine Angles, like a real Satanist group off of the Internet. They have a direct connection with them as well. So they they identify as Satan.

• 45:10Tucker Carlson?

  I will say Russia banned Satanism. Putin banned Satanism. It's one of the reasons they hate Putin. And if you look at who hates Putin the most, it's not the anti Satanists. Oh, you can say whatever you want, but a normal country would just ban this. Sorry, you can't. You can't try to evoke spiritual evil in my country because you'll destroy it. And they have.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely illegal what they're doing. There's some weird law with, you know, child sexual abuse material, C.SAM, is obviously a child that's naked. But when a child cuts their wrists or they do something like that, unless it is sexualized, it's not considered C.SAM. So I believe that the same way that we made an exception in the United States with AI-generated child pornography or C.SAM, we made an exception that we treat that as the real thing. Because people post pictures of their kids all the time on social media. And I have these groups, I have screenshots of these groups, with 30, 40,000 users in them that are using other people's children with AI and putting them in vulnerable, horrible positions. And it's like, I don't want to be the guy going on social media saying,

• 46:14Speaker 02

  hey, don't post your child that you're so proud of, because these guys are weirdos. But like, the size of these groups, they have a pretty good reason to say it, you know? And I can prove it, it's not me just saying it. Let me show you this group in particular. Because I put it in folders.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Trigger warning here. You know, it's a lot, Tucker, so.

• 46:37Tucker Carlson?

  Here, speaking to the mic here.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  There's a lot here, and it starts with loring, which is, you know, this is some mental health stuff. Join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times. And you can see Harm Nation here, that's one of the things that they use.

• 46:53Tucker Carlson?

  Harm Nation?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yep, and you see that says com. So com is connected to 764. So this looks like, okay, that looks like a younger girl. Join this friendly server to help you through your depression. Another one, outpatient wellness center. And then the description kind of gives away what it is. No child porn, no gore, leaking, no drugs, guns are new. I mean, you shouldn't have to be specifying that in an outpatient wellness group.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  And this is, there was a girl who did something horrible to herself as well, who was interested in gore sites, and she was a, you know, she... You know, she wasn't supposed to be looking at this type of stuff online, but she was interested in the edgy stuff. If that makes sense. And that's what this is here. So it says, "Join if you are any of the following: mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo, borderline personality disorder, or femcel, which means you act a little feminine as a guy." And then this is a direct invitation to, you know, just these groups where you're going to be lured and then eventually extorted. And then here turns into the grooming stage, which, you know, there's an entire checklist here.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  There's so many of these, like 220-page documents on how, like, you know, I'll skip through this, but it's saying, you know, that you can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram. Once you've found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff, and play games with her, call her cute nicknames. When you've talked for a little while, like princess, darling, honey, etc., this will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you've talked for a while, you're gonna ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is gonna say yes to. Now that she's under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  If she doesn't do self-harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you've done all of this. So there's like, you know, guide after guide after guide, and then them literally grooming children in these chat logs here, which I'll skip over because there's just so much to read. You know, pretending to be nice and how much they love them. "Please call me back. I love you. I'll do anything."

• 49:20Speaker 02

  And then this is where things get a little more graphic.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  So the extortion steps are, I'll skip through this as well. To start off for you, to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom. Without grooming, you won't get any information or any news. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following: personal information, addresses, names, phone numbers, and nudes. And once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, which I'm sure you're familiar with swatting, and leaking personal information, etc. She doesn't do as you say, if she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, which means like, cut yourself and write on the walls, which I'll show you in a second here.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Make a cut sign, which is cutting usernames into their body. Kill your cat, kill yourself. At the end, if you've done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content, because no one wants to see some S-word cat scratches, which means like, not cutting yourself deep enough. To be honest with you, that is nothing. That is, that is not even 10% of how bad this gets. And, you know, I just, I know that people that are watching this are not going to see these videos and pictures.

• 50:41Tucker Carlson?

  I hope not.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:42Tucker Carlson?

  Because that's so upsetting that, and this whole conversation came about because I was down at Sean Ryan's place in Tennessee, and he was overwhelmed and really wounded, for real. Man, it was a Navy SEAL, seen a lot, and this just undid him for a time, and I can see why. I just feel like the only way that that's ever gonna get fixed is not through law enforcement, federal enforcement, but through like, Christian religious revival. I mean, only, only an atheist country could have stuff like that.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable. It's sad, and I agree with you, and I believe in God. I think that, you know, that these people are the definition of evil. I can't find any other, any other justification of why this stuff even happens, outside of evil.

• 51:37Tucker Carlson?

  It does make you reassess the satanic...

• 51:42Tucker Carlson?

  Sacrifice panic of the 1980s, we were told Dorothy Rubin, so the of the Wall Street Journal told us it was a panic and I believed her. There were a bunch of arrests in the 80s of these satanic cult rings that were abusing children and there was a lot of evidence it was real. But then there was some evidence that it wasn't real and like I didn't know what to think. And then I remember thinking at the time, this is in the early 90s, like, there's no way that could actually happen. They're not organized satanic groups sacrificing animals, harming children, killing children, holding black masses. Like this is America, man.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 52:18Tucker Carlson?

  But it's clearly true.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  It's clearly true. And I and Tucker, I haven't you don't want to see it. But you know, I can show you these people in the masses, masses, these groups are not like by people in them. There's mass quantities of people in these groups that are doing this, this, you know, that are participating in this behavior as well as as well as trying to join these groups. They require proof of crime is what they call. So like, if you want to be a part of a specific group, you have to prove that you have victims, whether that be digital victims that were extorted, or maybe you went out and murdered a homeless person, which is I have a couple of videos of homeless people being murdered. And, you

• 53:00Speaker 02

  know, one that will never leave my brain is isn't like I just brought up the old woman. He's on a call with with somebody from the group. He kicks her down the steps and, you know, and he starts just beating on her and then he slits her throat, you know, and you watch this and he's doing this live with somebody on a phone call laughing. And then you see him running through a field with a knife. It has blood all over it. And it was just a senseless act of violence for for evil. I mean, it's just evil. And it infuriates me so much to the point and upsets me, of course. And that's why I talked about in the beginning, the compartmentalization. If I wasn't able to turn this off, I won't be able to function. I can't, you know, I am not heartless. I don't I do have a soul

• 53:43Speaker 02

  and and I go to church twice a week and I pray to God that this stuff goes, you know, not just this, but any type of child crime just disappears. I know it's not realistic. I know that evil powers this country and I know that Satan is a prince of the air is what it says in the Bible. I know these things, but you know, I have to understand that my spot is to use my voice, use my experience, use my time to educate as many people as I possibly can about these problems because unfortunately, you know, one in four girls are hurt, you know, sexually as children. One in 20 boys or in that number, what does that number end up being in the future? Especially if these victims, you know, not all of them, but a large number of them reoffend in their lifetime.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  What happens in the next generation? Is it going to be one in two girls and one in 10 boys? And where does this end? So, so I pray that this, that this ends and, and that parents actually open up and they realize that these devices, like you hand your kid a phone, an iPad, a computer, a gaming console, because you know, it's almost like a babysitter to them. When I was a child, which was only 20 something years ago, my mom gave me a prepaid phone that I had to top up with minutes, you know, and I'm sure people can relate to that. If she said, give me that phone, I wouldn't have cared. But these kids, that's their connection to the world. That's like trying to, that's like cutting off one of their hands. You know, that these phones are their connection to people. And if they're scared to come to you about something like what I just showed you,

• 55:13Speaker 02

  or somebody that's extorting them or grooming them, or they don't know what grooming is and they can't, you know, they can't determine that they're being groomed. Having these conversations with your kids and knowing that they're going to come to you if something like this happens, even if it is embarrassing to them, could potentially save their life, you know? And, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm not doing it because I enjoy looking at children cutting their wrists.

• 55:36Tucker Carlson?

  It's so bad, it's so bad for anyone to see those images. And I feel sorry for you and I know. You know, a lot of people have, I've seen some ugly things, not that, you know, nothing by comparison to an afternoon on the internet, though.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, the internet's wild. And the reason why-

• 55:52Tucker Carlson?

  Is there any effort at all to, there's a lot of effort to police my political speech, any criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu is instantly policed. But is there any real effort to police this? Like-

• 56:04Speaker 02

  So, one thing going back to Roblox is they banned vigilantes on their platform, Schlep being one of them.

• 56:10Tucker Carlson?

  So, explain what that means.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  So, a vigilante is somebody that's taking the law into their own hands. And Schlep, he got, I think it was six of them arrested with mug shots from the Roblox platform. So, he pretended to be a child on the platform, waited for people to message him, you know, but even as a civilian, entrapment doesn't exist. You have to be law enforcement for it to be entrapment. But he pretended to be, you know, just like a law enforcement officer. Grown adults messaged him. He got six arrests in a short period of time. And then Roblox banned him from the platform and sent him a cease and desist in the mail.

• 56:45Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Because he's a vigilante on the platform and they believe that that causes more danger. And they put this ridiculous press release out that, you know, people can look into. From there, Schlep started to go public. He got a attorney-

• 56:56Tucker Carlson?

  Who owns Roblox?

• 56:58Speaker 02

  This guy, I forget the guy's name. I can bring it up if you want. It's a publicly traded company. But the CEO's name is escaping me at the moment. I think it's, whatever. Schlep, though, is a younger kid and he's been working with Chris Hansen on, you know, doing some awesome stuff, a documentary. And unfortunately, he was groomed on the platform as a child, which is what motivated him to be a vigilante on the platform. And, you know, I think that, you know, I just can't comprehend why a platform would, you know, why a platform would ban the people that are helping- Make it cleaner, you know, even if it isn't a

• 57:40Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think? What's the motivation there?

• 57:43Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 57:44Tucker Carlson?

  Did they reach out to him and say, thank you for what you've done?

• 57:47Speaker 02

  No, they did the opposite. They sent a cease and desist in the mail to his house, which is, you know, he posted it on Twitter and

• 57:53Tucker Carlson?

  Did he? Did they allege he did something wrong?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  They, I don't believe that. I think they just were saying that it was dangerous or I'd have to look at the press release for the exact words. I don't want to get sued by Roblox. So I'm trying to be careful with what I say here. But, uh, but, you know, this is all factual. I mean, he was, they, they put out a press release that said it. And that he did get a cease and desist and there are, all of that stuff happened. And from what I was told, they don't allow law enforcement to conduct investigations on their platform either. That doesn't mean the law enforcement doesn't, but they don't, they don't allow for it supposedly. So I don't understand what they're, they're, uh, what they're angling or what they're trying to do, posturing to do, for other words, but, uh, it's weird. It's just a strange thing.

• 58:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, if they're punishing the guy who is trying to punish the criminals,

• 58:43Tucker Carlson?

  it's kind of like the defund the police. Like, okay, then whose side are you on?

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, let me show you what their stock looks like now, after just, you know, talking about that exact thing. I think that a lot of people are in agreement, agreement with us. Uh, like, why would you, why would you do that? I mean, here's the six months that you can, you can look at this over, you know, it's split in half. So I know that, I mean, I'm, what is the top article here? Understand, understanding Roblox grooming problem, you know? For being the largest children's game, if the headline article is their grooming problem, then maybe you should do something about it or, or take bigger actions other than

• 59:20Tucker Carlson?

  And also you don't want to go to hell for eternity. So that's also a good motivator, I think.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  I don't think many people in Silicon Valley are worried about hell and they should be.

• 59:28Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  So it's a, it's, it is what it is. And it's very sad for me and, uh, and I don't want people to be, you know, the, the people that don't know the, at all, and they're watching me for the first time to think that I'm just consuming myself with evil for fun, that I do this and, and I, and these are active investigations as well. I'm showing you the stuff that's publicly out there, but like I'm, you know, I'm still trying to get them arrested. I'm still actively assisting in the arrests of these individuals and more. Can't talk about those cases, of course, but the, uh, but this public stuff, it's, it's not fun for me. I, I feel like this is a purpose that was given to me by God and

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  I don't know how much you know about my story if Sean told you or I told you.

• 1:00:12Tucker Carlson?

  No, tell me.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  So I get a text message from my friend's wife and it had three screenshots in it. And at this time, I had no idea about, I obviously knew predators and.

• 1:00:21Tucker Carlson?

  What were you doing for a living then?

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  At that time, I owned a medical facility, so for substance use and, and, and mental health. They changed it from abuse to use. So it's a weird thing. I get a text message from my friend's wife and it was three different screenshots of this horrible website that was on the clear web that anyone could visit. This is like not the quote unquote dark web that people talk about. There's really just that it's called Tor, the onion router. On the clear web, anyone can see this website and one of these three photos was a picture of a child that was sitting in a bathtub. You could see their back, like you could tell that they were nude, but you could just see their back. And the title of the forum post said, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  And underneath of it, all of these people were talking about what they were going to do to this person's child. So this is my first time ever seeing anything like this and I, I'm like disgusted to, on a level that I've never felt before. So I leave where I'm at, I physically left the location of where I was at because, you know, I, I, I just had this switch flip in my brain that I didn't know I had. I don't have children. I wasn't abused as a child, like, you know, like, like I, it had to have been a God thing for me. So I go home with the intention of, of trying to probe around this website and, and take it down, which without all the technical details for the nerds that are listening. Like I was going to do a distributed denial service attack, just keep the site shut down.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Like it would have been impossible to load the site, which is a very simple, easy attack to do. It sounds crazy, but it's a very easy one. But I got lucky, if you want to say lucky, I got lucky that they used a forum called Zenforo. And they used, they used a theme that happened to be null, meaning they didn't pay for access to use this theme. And that theme gave me access to their, their entire server, which included their entire database. So now this website that. Is absolutely terrible that children are unselling themselves, that people are on looking for that type of material and chatting about it on an open forum that anyone can read. I now have full access to their entire site to download anything I want and to try to uncover

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  who's running it. So I started to have a little bit of common sense because I got an adrenaline rush at this point when I realized I have access to this. That common sense started to kick in. If you download all of this data, you're going to be in possession of CSAM. And I didn't know what the term CSAM back then. I just used the term child porn. And I don't like the word child porn person. I feel like it implies consent. But I knew that if I downloaded this database, I cannot include images, videos, any attachments, because when I go to deliver this to law enforcement, I don't want to get wrapped up in anything like that. The last thing I need is somebody Google searching Ryan Montgomery and then something like that horrible

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  comes up, you know? So I thought about that even back then. And I wrote a script to extract the database. And the first user, and exclude all that stuff. The first user in that database was a politician in Virginia named Nathan Larson. And he's a little bit of a whack job politician, but he was running for Congress. The guy-

• 1:03:36Tucker Carlson?

  As a libertarian?

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  I believe so. I believe so. Yeah. So Nathan Larson was running this website. Never heard of him before at that time. And I start to export the database. There are 7,000 total people in this database across four different backups that were on the server. It was just a combination of a ton of users. So this is my beginning. I go from not knowing anything about this at all, to now I got a database of 7,000 pedophiles and I want to do something with it. So I reach out to my attorney first, actually, I believe it was, but I reached out to him, who reached out to the task force in the local, like the Palm Beach County Task Force, I think it was, or Broward, one or the other.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  And then ic3.gov, National Center for Missing, Nick Mc, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And then 11 different media stations. Because there was a six month gap in between law enforcement not ever showing up at my door like I thought they were going to. And then I was like, okay, well, I'm just bringing this to the media because I feel like they may take action. If I, you know, go to the media. So I, um.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  I read, I spoke to all sides, left, right, middle, you know, whatever. Politics really isn't my thing. So I spoke to all and any reporter that would take the time to talk to me. Every single one of them was interested in running the story. They, not one of them was saying like, you know, we're, we don't want to take this story. They all came back with almost an identical answer that their legal team was not willing to run it. For liability reasons, for legal reasons, or how the data was obtained. So my rebuttal to that was, um, you know, just run it without my name. Run it without any of the legally quote unquote obtained material. Just let people know that this website exists, that there's children on here that are selling their body. You know, let them, let parents know that this is happening. Not one of them run, run the story.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  So I'm very aggravated at this point that nobody wants to run anything. Six months goes by, Nathan Larson's in my Google Alerts. I get a notification Nathan Larson's arrested with a 13 year old girl in Denver, Colorado that he kidnapped and raped. And, um. I was so aggravated because every one of those articles, I know that could have been prevented if they listened to me in the first place. There's 7,000 other people in this database that have, nothing has happened to at this point. Um, and I didn't want to just leak it to the internet because if I leaked it to the internet and there were parent, concerned parents on there, which it would have been hard for that to happen because the application process to become a user, you have to answer some wild questions. But even undercovers, like I didn't want to leak the database and potentially do what like Ashley Madison did, you know?

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Like people killed themselves over that leak. So, uh, you know, I, I'm waiting all this time and no law enforcement is not helping. Media is not helping. Nathan gets arrested with this little girl and they don't include the website at all in any articles. Like they talk about him being a person that ran for Congress. You seem like you know, you've heard the story, but you probably haven't heard about the websites that he was running. And, um, you know, 7,000 people is, you know, it's not a crazy number, but it's a lot of pedophiles in one spot. And if I got all of their email addresses and all their usernames and all their private messages and everything you need, I don't know why this wouldn't be a case on a, on a golden platter or silver platter for, for law enforcement.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  So I was very angry at that point. And the only thing that I could think to do, because I didn't have the network I have now. You know, I, I'm just a computer hacker that owns healthcare facilities and, uh, and I'm kind of staying in the dark. So I was like, you know, I see these vigilante predator groups on YouTube and at that time it wasn't like they are now. There's a ton of them that exist now where they go out, they, they have decoys to pretend they're kids. And then they go out and confront them one by one. And, um, I saw back then there, there are only like, you know, a few of them on, on YouTube. Not, not a ton. So I asked them, um, because one, I'm sorry, I'm skipping a little bit ahead here. So those groups that were there, uh, I noticed that in the videos where they're confronting these predators,

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  where they believe they're meeting up with a real child and then they get confronted by an adult, similar to how Chris Hansen was doing it with law enforcement. They were just doing it without law enforcement. They wouldn't know the person's name, a lot of these groups, or where they worked, or what their wife's name was, or what kind of car they drove, or any details about them that would just show up. So I was like, okay, that's where my value could come in. I can, I can identify these people and, uh, and I, uh, you know, there's a better chance of this guy staying. If you know where he works, if you know what he does and all of his personal details, he's got a better chance of not just turning around and getting back in his car and driving away. So I reached out to these channels. I offered, you know, to give, to provide them with a full case file on anyone that they send, you know, identifiers to.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  And, uh, a few of them accepted. And for a couple of years I, uh, I did that. So I was, I was helping these channels anonymously. I wasn't putting my name out there. I wasn't asking for any money. I just wanted to help. And that's what made me feel better about nothing happening in the first place with this one website with the politician. Then skip, you know, skip those two years of me doing that. A friend of mine, a professional MMA fighter. We start a, and there's a reason why I say that. He's a professional MMA fighter.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  And we're sitting in a garage. I'm telling him this exact story. I pop open a chat room. I show him, you know, that how bad this problem is. Again, demonstrating that it can happen anywhere, anytime. Unfortunately, zero effort required. And he is more than willing to start a group with me to catch these guys in our local area. And in Delray Beach, Florida. So it was called, and he's still running it. It's called 561PC. And um, once he starts doing that, and he's got a little bit of a social media following, and people start watching, you know, us catch predators. I'm behind the camera and he's, you know, the face of it, reading the chat logs to these predators one by one. Couple of podcasts that focus on MMA wanted to talk to him.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  And uh, and asking, you know, about catch predators. He brung me along on these podcasts. And one of them asked me the question, how did you get started? So that question right there is what changed the complete trajectory of my life. Like, we wouldn't be sitting here right now if that question wasn't asked. And, you know, like the butterfly effect type of situation. But um, they asked that question. I explained that there was this case. I still had all that data, still nothing done with it legally. I just have this database of all these people, nothing done. And from there, I have all kinds of media reaching out the next day. Cause a clip from that podcast got 10 million views in less than 24 hours on a, on a smaller podcast. I wake up and my inbox is full. My phone's getting phone calls, getting emails.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  And everybody wants to hear the story. Nobody wanted to listen to me the day before, but now they want to hear it because it went viral on social media. And one of those people was Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan, and I didn't know Sean at this time. We never even spoke to each other, but he saw my clip and he was like, I want to get your message out there. And he took a huge chance on me because I could have been lying. I could have been a nut job, a schizophrenic. I might've been making this whole story up. But Sean took me, you know, took the chance on me of not. Not only that it was truthful, but the chance of releasing that type of content with screenshots and chat logs and all this stuff on YouTube with the chance that he might lose his channel. So I go in there into Sean Ryan's show and I'm wearing like, you know, a T-shirt.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  I say this a lot, but like I'm wearing an oversized T-shirt, paler than I am now. I'm skinny. I, you know, I'm hesitating on my words. I got lights in my face. I probably drank eight bottles of water. I'm so nervous, you know? And not, not because of, you know, talking about the, what I wanted to get out there. I just not used to being on a podcast, you know, this just wasn't my thing. And I finished it up after we talked about gadgets, which, you know, we'll get into. I want to show you some fun, happy stuff in a minute. But, um, you know, I start doing that and then I get into this stuff. And, uh, and I walk out of the studio and I asked Sean, I'm like, hey, man, how do you think that went? Be honest with me because I really felt like I messed it up. And he was like, yeah, man, I think it went pretty well.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  And, and, uh, him and I both didn't think it was going to make it five minutes on YouTube because they're, they're pretty strict sometimes when it comes to, when you, especially when you show that type of content.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  So we didn't think it was going to make it more than five minutes and I was okay with that. I was like, okay, fine. At least I tried. I did everything I possibly could. Sean sends me a text as soon as it's released, pretty close to as soon as it was released. And I'm sure you've seen this, one of 10, meaning your video is doing well. And I didn't know what it meant. I just, Sean said that it was doing well. It became his biggest podcast that he's ever done, still current day on Apple, Spotify, YouTube combined. It's got hundreds of millions of views, a total of, with the shorts, billions of views. And, uh, and I'm not saying this because I'm some noteworthy individual that at the time that had like, uh, you know, that would have brought that type of traffic in. I think what happened is people could resonate and understand that this is not, this is not something

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  that is an uncommon problem. It's something, it's a taboo topic that people don't talk about until it happens or, you know, or happens to someone around them or happens in their family. And I'm showing the significance of the problem, not just with my words, but with factual evidence, you know? And especially with a live demonstration of it happening on the podcast. And you know, Sean and I got very close and and now, I mean, this is kind of my first time announcing this, but like I'm the godfather of Sean's child, you know, like him and I are very close and and that means a lot to me. I mean, that's a that's his first born child. And I, you know, I'm and I don't want to go into detail about his personal stuff, but that Sean gave me the okay to to say that. And I, you know, I I love the guy very much.

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  And he he took a chance on me that nobody else would, you know, and there's a whole other story with that you might be interested in with Project Veritas getting involved and then fumbling it. And, you know, their interim CEO telling me the story wasn't a tidal wave and they threw it out. But the journalist at Project Veritas tried very hard. They they did expose a few people in that original database. They tried to partner up with Sean on the release of it, but completely failed.

• 1:13:48Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think that Project Veritas wouldn't run it?

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  I think they're just were extremely incompetent after James O'Keefe either left or was fired, whatever actually happened there. No one really knows except for him. And I genuinely don't, I don't even know him personally, but they reach out, they said they want to do it. The journalist spent a ton of time uncovering these people and showing up where they were at, recording them undercover and and asking them, hey, what were you doing on the site? And and why, you know, did you say this? Did you say that? And they had all this evidence. But since it didn't make it into the New York Post or the New York Times, they weren't willing willing to continue with the story. And then I looked into the, you know, I looked into the circulation on those, whatever one it was, Press or the Times or Post or the Times. And the circulation was like a tenth of what social, like, you

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  know, a small influencer on social media would be getting in, you know, that year. So it made no sense to see the interim CEO, her name is Hannah Giles. I don't know if you're familiar with her, but she

• 1:14:43Tucker Carlson?

  I am.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Okay, so Hannah gets on the phone with me and says that this story is not a tidal wave. And it got completely shut down. Their journalists, on the other hand, were very upset about it. They because they they really cared. It was a passion project for them. The the management team, they they just threw it out. But Sean Ryan was the one that pushed the story so far that allowed me to get involved with federal law enforcement, to work with Settle Foundation, to to deal, you know, now I've been, I've worked with every agency under the sun. You name the acronym, it's I've worked with them. And It's, you know, it's a blessing that I never thought would ever happen for me. It's a very dark path that I chose to take, but, uh, but I believe that I did it for the right reasons.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  And, uh, and I, I told you, I pray, I pray to God every single night that if you don't want this in my life, to take it away from me, you know, and, uh, and it just, you know, unfortunately keeps getting worse.

• 1:15:35Tucker Carlson?

  So you made reference earlier to, uh, organized groups that are behind this almost inconceivable effort to make children harm themselves.

• 1:15:45Tucker Carlson?

  Satanist groups. What are those groups?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  So there's a few of them that, that I'm familiar with, uh, or that I've seen, I guess is a better way to put it. And it just actually reminded me of a conversation I want to show you, um, because a lot of it's senseless. So like the, like the, it's all senseless, but, you know, even if they believe that what they're doing is right. So the order of nine angles is one that I believe has been around a long time.

• 1:16:09Tucker Carlson?

  The order of nine angles?

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, or O nine A they go by. They, uh, they believe in a thing called culling, which is like, you know, they believe that they get power by harming other people.

• 1:16:21Tucker Carlson?

  They do. That's a real spiritual principle. That's what human sacrifice, that's what abortion is. That's what human sacrifice is.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Understood.

• 1:16:28Tucker Carlson?

  That's what, you know, every ancient religion was about that, um, from the Canaanites till present.

• 1:16:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's like, that is literally devil worship. You get power from, from hurting others.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  And they, they believe that, I mean, they, they openly talk about it and, and use the words culling is.

• 1:16:46Tucker Carlson?

  Culling.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Culling, yeah.

• 1:16:47Tucker Carlson?

  O nine A.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  O nine A, and then, uh, I saw a reference recently to, uh, N L M, No Lives Matter. And, um, and if you don't mind, I could pull it out. I want to show you this conversation because the guy is, you know, uh, one of them is selling tickets to his suicide. And another one is he wanted to be murdered by, you know, suicide by cop. But instead of just letting it happen that way, he was talking to one of these, these cultists and, and he was deciding, you know, should he, you know, murder a bunch of people on the way out? And what group is he gonna do it for? You know, like, just, you know.

• 1:17:23Tucker Carlson?

  Right, you don't need to, I mean, what. Watching is like, you know, a country that needs an exorcism.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  It seriously does. And, uh, and that, that conversation, if you don't want to see it, that's okay. It's a, it's, it's a guy that is just, he, he's ready to end his life like, and I don't support hurting yourself in any way, shape or form. But if you're going to do that, don't bring other people out with you.

• 1:17:43Tucker Carlson?

  The whole point of it is, I mean, suicide is an act of hostility. Anyone who's been around it can affirm that. Um, so yeah. By the way, Jesus cast the demons, the legion of demons out of the man into the herd of pigs was the first thing they do, kill themselves.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:00Tucker Carlson?

  So like.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  That's a good point.

• 1:18:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, it's, it's so obviously, um, the product of, of possession.

• 1:18:11Tucker Carlson?

  Order of nine angles. What does that mean? Nine angles?

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Hey, I genuinely don't know.

• 1:18:15Tucker Carlson?

  But it's been around a while.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Been around a while. Yeah. Yeah, I do know that part.

• 1:18:18Tucker Carlson?

  And these are groups that are just like internet groups.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I, I think Order of Nine Angles also has like physical members that are not just internet. Uh, there's a combination between them and like, let's just say seven, six, four instead of, because there's a ton of subgroups that go underneath of it that do exactly the same thing. They have connections to these real life groups that like, you know, that will go out and, you know, protest something or go burn a, burn a building down or. Have you ever heard of, um, like, and I don't want to go off completely off to a different topic here, but we, we brought up swatting temporarily. Do you know what swatting is?

• 1:18:52Tucker Carlson?

  I do.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Okay. So I've been swatted three times just talking about these, these things on, online, um, by these, these guys. And, uh, you know, telling people that there's, there's a, you know, I got, which I don't even have a wife, but my wife is tied to a chair. I got bombs in the windows and I'm going to kill any cop that comes in the door. And, you know, I request these 911 calls because I know the cops in the area I could, and you can do Freedom of Information Act or just request it from dispatch. And I hear it's not even like, you know, it doesn't sound anything like me on any of these calls. But SWAT teams are coming to my house and now they got the last one, they called my phone in advance and told me, hey, we got officers around the corner. Like, would you mind just coming out front to make sure everything's all good?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  And I'm out there with my coffee cup and did a little 360 around and like, you know, they're, they just are trying to torture me and they've been harassing my family. They've, you know, they've threatened my friends, they've threatened me, they have death threats. They, you know, you name it, they've done it.

• 1:19:50Tucker Carlson?

  What I find baffling is that you and I are talking about these groups, you're naming them, they've harmed you, they've clearly harmed or killed other people. What kind of effort is there at the FBI to, to find these people and prosecute them?

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  It's just, it's, it's not, it's, I don't think that it's a lack of passion. I think that, you know, HSI, for example, all they're focusing on right now is immigration. Like people are literally leaving their jobs because all, like the actual, from, from what I've been told, they are, you know, they're not focusing on investigations, especially in child crimes, you know, they're just focusing on immigration. FBI, on the other hand, I don't think the passion isn't there. I think the problem is the resources and the, the skillset and the training that, that doesn't exist.

• 1:20:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, if you have active Satanist groups trying to kill people in your country, it seems like that would be a priority. I mean, I know it's not like January 6th level priority, but like somewhere on the list, you would have to want to address that, right?

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  Totally understand, and they, they are addressing it, but not, not in the, not to the ability that I know that they could. So, you know, it kind of segued into me coming up with an idea because we send, with Sentinel Foundation, we send people all over the world to train law enforcement on how to use new tools and how to identify people the same way that I identify you. Like the first way, you know, first 10 minutes of our, our show, training law enforcement, like how to do those things so that they could go off of an identifier, like a username or a profile photo or a phone number or whatever it may be. Let's say it's just a license plate or, I've even had one guy, I remember the story, but he had a, he was, he was like a plumber, you know, and you could see the logo of the

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  plumbing company and a little portion of his face. And I was able to locate him just based on where he worked. I didn't even know what city or town that he lived in or a name. And I went through the, it's simple, but effective, went through the Facebook. Of that particular business, I did a reverse image search, not face search, reverse image search of the logo for the plumbing company, found their Facebook profile and then was able to locate him based off of, you know, a little, a little portion of the picture that I could identify him as. Took a lot of legwork. There was no automation. There was no advanced technology there. But sometimes open source intelligence is, is, is simple and sometimes it's extremely

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  advanced. And that's why people like myself and other people that are working in this space, you know, if they, if they're good with open source intelligence, because it doesn't just apply to child crimes, it applies to any crime, identifying where somebody is at, or what they're doing, or what something is, or details about a particular thing, should be a skill set of all law enforcement, I believe. And, and we're doing a great job at that with Sentinel. But then with Penn Tester, we made a product called OSINT Pilot that, you know, it's instead of training and sending people all over the world and country, they can just conversationally talk. This is only for law enforcement, by the way. This is not for consumers. The Penn Tester product itself is for

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  consumers. But OSINT Pilot, if you're law enforcement, reach out to us, we'll help you out. There's no training required. So you type in a person, let's just say it was that guy that had a logo of a plumbing company on his shirt, and his face wasn't really that visible, and there wasn't much to go off of. Our tool will take that image, it will take the description, it'll search, you know, search everything you would do by hand. We have over 40 tools implemented into it. And about 10 minutes later, you'll have a 30 or 40 page report on that individual, if it was something it was able to find. Obviously, the more identifiers you add, the more effective it's going to be. But, but we made something that's never been done before, and it requires no training. Like you said, you don't have a computer, you never use a

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  computer. I guarantee you that if I said, hey, find, you know, John Doe, here's your identifier that you have, the last four digits of his phone number, and, you know, he lives in this city, and his, you know, first name, and, you know, the last initial, that tool will find him. And, and even if you didn't know to put that information in, our tool will tell you, you know, it'll tell you what to provide it. So it's something that we built, we're super proud of it. It's a, you know, that's, that's what I believe the FBI should be doing. HSI, everybody should be reaching out to not only myself, but anybody that's willing to provide these OSINT resources or because it's getting deeper than that.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  OSINT, SIGINT, HUMAN, there's all these different types of intelligence that, you know, more people out there than myself are doing, but you know, just my opinion.

• 1:24:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it just seems like an emergency if you have, you know, Satanist groups working to kill Americans and their children. I don't know. I mean, I know, you know, they're not Iranian, but that would seem like something we should be really working to end.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  It shouldn't be a, a computer nerd like myself digging through these chat rooms or Sentinel Foundation. We should be working in, and a lot of times we're working in tandem with federal law enforcement, like with, with all of these cases, but when it comes to the, the mass scale, you're absolutely right. It's not, it's not being prioritized in the way that we're prioritizing it.

• 1:25:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. I mean, it's everything that will destroy you and your family. What is that box of gadgets right there?

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  I got a lot of gadgets for you and I think that you're gonna like them. So we, let's, you know, let's give this a better, better.

• 1:25:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, I don't know if that's happy or not. I'm afraid of gadgets too.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Well, there, no, the, it's a different type of fear. The other ones are more of a, yeah, I'll show you.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  I almost messed with you and I don't want to give away where we're at right now, but downstairs is a very unique place, right? And, um, there's a lamp that happened to be sitting there. I don't know, you know, if you probably don't even know it's there, but to the left of the couch is a lamp sitting there.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  This, right here, my friend, uh, his name's Peaks. He took a regular bulb off of Amazon's called Wise, like, and then he made a bunch of different ones. So like you could buy this smart bulb on Amazon and make it change colors essentially is all that it does. He, uh, he put modified software or firmware onto this bulb and I can match the colors of your other bulbs. Let's say I was in your bathroom going to, you know, using it, swapped out a bulb and left your office. Now I have an implant that I can monitor your, your wifi or, or try to pivot from this device to your other devices and take over your computers, you know, in your house or your office. And, uh, you know, I could show you, if you had a lamp, I could show you, but you know.

• 1:26:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, tell me what it does. So I leave that in your house and then I get to do what?

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Leave this in a house, for example, the goal would be to access your network. So I would knock your devices offline with it. It has the ability to do that, which, you know, I, it's called a de-auth authentication attack. And then from there you capture what's called a handshake. And then I could try to crack your wifi password from that handshake. Once I have that, now this light bulb is on your network with the rest of your computers. And, um, you know, from, from there, I could try to pivot from the bulb onto your computers with your sensitive information and, and files and, you know, anything. Or I could start to reroute your traffic with, it's called DNS, uh, to phishing pages and try to steal credentials. I mean, this light bulb could, could be, you know, how a router is connected to the internet?

• 1:27:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  I could trick your computer into believing that this light bulb is the router. So I have the way I'm routing the internet through the bulb. It can do a lot more than that. I'm just trying to simplify it a little bit.

• 1:27:23Tucker Carlson?

  And I could communicate with that light bulb from afar.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  Um, and, and this, this bulb, no, I have, you have to be within wifi range.

• 1:27:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  There are other devices that are implants that you could, at a distance with SIM cards or, or other means, um, or if they're plugged directly into the back of a computer, you know, like I do have one of those in my bag that you would never know, you would never unplug it because it looks like it's, it's supposed to be there. That one connects, you know, I could be in Guatemala and I could have complete control over that device from Guatemala.

• 1:27:53Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that, that's, that's the hackers and night light. I thought that was kind of a cool.

• 1:27:57Tucker Carlson?

  That is cool.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  And, you know, think of it like this, like these, that's, this is a real brand. This is not something that he, they paid to prototype. He hacked the bulb itself and, um, it, you know, imagine a company like this either getting hacked, like compromised, or like a lot of these come from China. So let's say a Chinese company goes rogue, which I don't think is too crazy to think about modern day and, um, sends out custom firmware for these bulbs that does something malicious on your home network. You know, what if it gains access to your computer or to your, uh, Amazon Alexa or whatever it may be. And now they're listening to you in your house or they're, they're, you know, just trying to steal your passwords or doing whatever they're doing. They're collecting data or intel, um, which there's so many examples of that. Here's another one.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  So same guy, uh, just buying smart, you know, I call it internet of things or smart home devices straight off the internet. This is just a smart plug that looks, I mean, you can look at it. There's nothing, nothing special.

• 1:28:57Tucker Carlson?

  What, what makes it smart?

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  It connects to Alexa and wifi. So you can turn something on or off. Just a simple gadget that you can buy on Amazon. Okay. You know, and let's say you want

• 1:29:09Tucker Carlson?

  So you, you plug this in, plug the lamp or whatever into this. And then rather than actually just moving your fingers and turning it off, you tell some chick called Alexa to do it.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. You tell Alexa, you say, Hey, turn the lamp on and she turns the lamp on. That is essentially the same as the light bulb. So that will monitor, you know, the network and, and still work just as, as it does out of the

• 1:29:31Tucker Carlson?

  I don't want to be judgy, but the idea of like having Alexa in my house or anything like this in my house is just bizarre to me.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:38Tucker Carlson?

  Why would you do that?

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  So I, my personal reason is, uh, is I can see the traffic going in and out of my house. I know that the microphone has to be listening at all times to look, to listen for the word Alexa. Um, I'm aware of that, but I know that my conversations, unless I say the word Alexa are not being sent to Amazon servers. So I'm personally not scared of it, but I do know that if somebody really wanted to, they could use those devices to listen or see inside my house. That is a fact.

• 1:30:05Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Tucker Carlson?

  Even I know that.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. But I, I'm okay with the risk there personally, which brings me to a topic that is a little bit more scary.

• 1:30:14Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  So, you know, I don't know what your setup is at home with cameras, with your garage door, with your car, you know, if you, you know, but have you ever seen, have, have you ever seen anything like this before?

• 1:30:27Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  So what this device would do and, and the usage of the, of it is illegal. So if I press that button, we're both committing a federal crime.

• 1:30:35Tucker Carlson?

  Not me, man.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're not pressing the button today.

• 1:30:37Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Unless, and you know, unless you want to, but the, this is called a jammer. So what this does is it, it's going to shut down every single cell phone in this entire, entire building, 70 meters. Um, it's going to turn off GPS, wifi, Bluetooth, all of it. It's going to jam all, all All signals that are important, which means your wireless cameras are not going to work, your Bluetooth, you know, microphones, your, uh, your everything. You can't call 911. You have no way unless you have a landline hidden around here somewhere. The alarm system in this place that likely has a cellular connection can't contact. You might hear the alarm going off, but nobody's, nobody's getting a notification that you're being robbed or anything.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  This device can cause a serious problem in your life, especially with the, the video cameras and alarms and phones.

• 1:31:26Speaker 02

  There is no solution for this problem, you know, and, and it brings me.

• 1:31:30Tucker Carlson?

  How does that work?

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  So what it does is like, imagine, um, of like, a way to put this into an analogy would be, okay, we're in a small room. Right. And if I screamed at the top of my lungs and then I told you to tell me a story. When I'm screaming, if somebody was sitting over there, um, I'm, I'm, you know, they may not be able to hear your story because I'm screaming. That's what this is doing. It's screaming at the top of its lungs, 70 meters and signals can't, they're just so garbled. By the time they make it out of that range that it, that it, you know, the 70 meter range, they don't work. So it's just immediately the second I press in that button, everything goes on.

• 1:32:07Tucker Carlson?

  What's the cancer risk from being near something like that when it's on?

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  I mean, it definitely puts a ton of EMFs out, but I don't think much more than your average radio. I mean, you're, you're surrounded. I could show you a pretty wild example of that right now without turning anything on.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  This is just Bluetooth alone. Check this out.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  I always show this to people that talk about EMFs because I, you know, you cannot avoid them. Here, right here.

• 1:32:35Tucker Carlson?

  Here, you could just pass it to me because I.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Here's just the, you can scroll down. You see the colors there? Scroll down on the colors. They're all the, just, they're just the Bluetooth devices that are within 30 feet of us. That's just Bluetooth. So, you know, imagine cellular, you got GPS, Wi-Fi, you got radio, you have, like, you know, from CDMA, GSM, 4G, LTE, literally all cellular signals are all hitting us. So if we got 50 Bluetooth devices in this building, which, you know, or more, it might have been more than 50 there, you're being, all these signals are passing through you regardless. The ionizing radiation is the ones you should worry about, like 5G and being close to a 5G tower. I believe that those are dangerous, you know,

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  especially at long-term exposure. But no matter how protected you are, unless you live in the middle of nowhere with, you know, no signal to anything, where you put your house in what's called a Faraday cage, like you're getting penetrated by these signals, whether you like it or not.

• 1:33:38Tucker Carlson?

  What if you're sitting on an airplane using Wi-Fi?

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  Same exact thing. You're even getting ultraviolet because, you know, the higher you go up, the less protection you have in the sky.

• 1:33:47Tucker Carlson?

  Web pilots get skin cancer. Yeah.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, it's something, it's almost unavoidable, in my opinion.

• 1:33:53Tucker Carlson?

  So that jammer right there is commercially available?

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they're illegal to buy. They're not illegal to own, but they're illegal to use. So of course I found this on the highway on my way here.

• 1:34:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  But, uh,

• 1:34:05Tucker Carlson?

  If you wanted to buy one illegally, where would you buy it?

• 1:34:07Speaker 02

  China. China is the primary, you know, place selling them. And a lot of the websites are scammed. So luckily criminals that want to buy them will likely get ripped off. But, you know, whoever bought this and left it on the, on the side of the road, must have known the right person to buy it from.

• 1:34:24Tucker Carlson?

  Does it work?

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does work. Yeah. It definitely works. And I've used it, I publicly used it. I know that it's a crime, but I've used it in controlled settings.

• 1:34:34Tucker Carlson?

  But if I wanted to like stage a home invasion, I'd turn that on first.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I've shown examples on, on social media with even smaller versions of this, which I want to show you because it relates to Iran and the drones. And I want to show you something interesting with that. But I showed a device similar to this that uh, that disabled my doorbells and disabled everything by just, you know, clicking a button because it overwhelms that signal. And when the device doesn't have storage on it itself, like a lot of these new cameras, they rely on the cloud. If they can't connect to the cloud, then the storage, I'm sorry, then the footage never existed. So. To repeat that, if you have a cloud-based camera or wireless camera, if it loses connection to the internet or the cloud,

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  the videos are gone, the images are gone, there's no way to ever recover it. So if somebody gets a hold of a jammer, or if you just happen to lose internet, you have no cameras anymore, you have no footage, you have no, you know, you have no way to know somebody's approaching your house or where, if you aren't home, that somebody entered your house. It's just as if it didn't happen. So using wired cameras is the solution to that problem. And that goes for, you know, I've shown some examples on the news with hacking garage doors and opening cars and being able to duplicate key fobs and, you know, capturing those signals out of the sky. You know, you would never know that that's happening. So your house, and I could go on a whole thing about safety with your house,

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  but one little advice while it's on my mind is if your house is connected, I'm sorry, if your garage door is connected to your house and there's a door that enters your house from your garage, treat that door like it's your front door. Because I could be standing 100 feet, 200 feet away from your garage and when you go and click that button in your car to open the door, I can capture the signal for a very large number of the manufacturers and I can forever gain access to your garage door. And I've demonstrated it over and over again in many different places. You know, one of the largest streamers on the internet, Aiden Ross, I hacked his gate same way. I have forever access to Aiden Ross's gate where he's got millions of dollars worth of merchandise, cars,

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  and you know, it's all with a simple gadget. So I want to show you.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Sorry, I don't want to cut you.

• 1:36:54Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's amazing.

• 1:36:58Speaker 02

  So just imagine, imagine that you're sitting in a Walmart parking lot as a criminal. You're a criminal and you're sitting in this parking lot. So I could be using a device like, which I'll explain what this is in a second. But this device you could buy, it's not going to do this out of the box. This is custom dark web firmware that's bought from Russians that, you know, it's, you know, right now $2,900, I believe. We didn't pay for it. We, like the people that gave it to me hacked the hacked firmware. So it's like a double hack exception. But I got a hold of it that way. And let me just, so grab this key fob and I'll show you.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  If there's battery in this key fob.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Okay, three.

• 1:37:47Tucker Carlson?

  Is that how people steal cars?

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  Uh, so you can't steal a car with this, but you can get in the backseat of a car with this. You could, you know, okay, here we go. Um, you, you cannot steal a car with, with this, you can, but you can completely duplicate this key fob. So I can pop the trunk, I can, you know, enable the alarm, I can lock and unlock. All it takes is me just pressing any button on here, doesn't matter which button. So, uh, can I show you, can I come over there?

• 1:38:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  I just don't know how these cameras work. So you see how it's, it's saying fixed scan. It's listening on this frequency here, which usually key fobs are going to operate in either 315 megahertz or 433 megahertz. Um, if I have that running at all times in a Walmart parking lot, like when I hit the lock button, let's say this is the lock button. Every time I hit lock, a new one comes up as you see. So let's say I save this.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  And if you look here, it says Kia Hyundai, which is what this is right here. Um, and then if I just do, let's just say, so button's not working.

• 1:39:00Speaker 02

  All right, I'll just do zero, one.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  There we go. So when I hit this, now I don't have the key fob anymore. Imagine I have 10 people that's walking out of Walmart, they all clicked their key fob, didn't matter what button they pressed, they could have hit lock, unlock, whatever. So I hit this, that's lock, unlock, see how it says open there? Trunk.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  And if you see here, every single time that I click the button, you see that number at the end is changing? 155, 1F7, 16E, 1C. So it's going in sync with the key fob, knowing what the next code is going to be. And all I need to do now is walk around the parking lot and start hitting the lock and unlock button and look for what car it was. So I could, you know, let's say it's Christmas, or let's say it's a holiday, or let's say I'm a, a dangerous person. I could sit in the backseat of someone's car, wait for them to get in it and make someone's worst fear come true.

• 1:40:05Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  So luckily, which I'll explain this over here. Luckily, this is not something that's easy to get your hands on right now. You can buy one of these devices for 170 bucks, but it's not going to be much more than, you know, like something that could turn a TV on or off. Or like last night in the place that you guys put me in, I hacked the light in there, like where I could turn the light on and off and I could, you know, change the speed of the fan in the room, you know, just for fun, you know, I thought as much content as I can get out here, I'm gonna do it. So, you know, this device can do that type of stuff, but it isn't going to open a garage door or hack a car like, you know, like I just showed you here.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  The same method with a garage door is identical to what I just showed you with this key fob. So my advice to everyone, including you Tucker, is if your garage connects to your house, deadbolt that thing like it's your front door, because it just takes a sophisticated enough criminal to jam signals and then, you know, open your garage door and enter your house, you know? So I'm sure you're a believer in protecting yourself with firearms. That's the next step, you know, you take technology out and then, you know, then you have the hands on and what your other solutions are, but.

• 1:41:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, firearms are the only technology I trust, just being honest.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  They work well, you know, they're better than 5G. They make bigger holes than you.

• 1:41:33Tucker Carlson?

  I don't even trust striker fire pistols, I'm a revolver guy. That's how.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  You can put a revolver right up against somebody, you don't have to worry about that.

• 1:41:39Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's the only distance I would be effective with a revolver, because.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  That's why cops use them, right? Wasn't it?

• 1:41:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they did use them, yeah. Then they were talked into the striker fire pistols in the early 90s and accidental shootings just went off the chart and, you know, whatever, I've got a lot of thoughts on ballistics. But, uh, yeah, no, but the point is, you know, you don't ever want to be in a position where you have to harm somebody, of course, I'm opposed to that, but you can trust a revolver, whereas you can't trust a security system. What is that?

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  So this is called a Nianton box and this is a, you know, an interesting, interesting convention. So friends of mine, there's this hacking conference in Vegas that happens every year called DEF CON and it's the largest one in the world and 30,000 or so hackers go there from all over the world and. They they meet with each other.

• 1:42:28Tucker Carlson?

  What's the bar scene like at night at the hacker conference?

• 1:42:30Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, it's you. You can you can envision it already.

• 1:42:34Tucker Carlson?

  I can't.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  Long hair, neck beards.

• 1:42:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  And, yeah.

• 1:42:38Tucker Carlson?

  Adult acne.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  It smells bad. Yeah.

• 1:42:40Tucker Carlson?

  Got it.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  It's a it's exactly what you think it is. And there's furries there. You know what a furry is?

• 1:42:44Tucker Carlson?

  No. Furry?

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  A furry.

• 1:42:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  Furries, you know, I got the Delco accent.

• 1:42:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  But, yeah, there's furries. There, you know, there's some normal hackers out there. I like to consider myself a normal one. Maybe I'm not, but then there's some real nut jobs.

• 1:42:58Tucker Carlson?

  Dude, you're at the high end of normal.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you very much, sucker. Not a furry?

• 1:43:03Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:43:03Speaker 02

  Okay, good. So I'm at DEF CON and a non-furry comes up to me and and shows me this this thing. And he was like, hey, man, take this. It's 3D printed. I don't know if you know what a 3D printer is.

• 1:43:15Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  It's this entire thing, even the multiple colors, 3D printed. I was like, super impressed, especially with these ears because they're so, you know, like, they feel like, well, I just broke it. But this side is strong. It was probably already broken. Whatever the case is, it's strong, 3D printed. I was like, wow, that's impressive. That's what I said to the guy. And then, you know, I I didn't really know what he was giving me. I just put it around my neck because it came on a, you know, on a lanyard. And I turn it on later on and I see it's got all these crazy features. And I'll show you. So I'll read some of them so it makes sense to you. There. So it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and other. And I started to go through it. I'm like, wow, these guys thought of like everything.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  One second.

• 1:43:58Tucker Carlson?

  What does it do?

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  So I'm going to show you. It does a lot. And it's jam packed into this tiny device that they put a couple of different devices inside of and then 3D printed around it. So it's got a drone detector, a drone spoofer, Flock camera. You know, are you familiar with Flock?

• 1:44:14Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  Flock are these cameras that are, you know, the United States, it's a private company that's working with law enforcement.

• 1:44:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  And they're they're taking people's license plates and they're, you know, they're storing this data that that is invading, in my opinion, on everybody's privacy. So this is detecting Flock cameras and Flock devices. There's a device scout option on here that means it can track to see what the Devices could potentially be following or tracking you. So like if somebody was through through a device in your car. This could tell you, you know, that that's happening to you like without you having to physically find it. Because things can only track you in certain ways, whether it be cellular, Bluetooth, Wi Fi, like or some type of EMFs are going to be coming off of that device. In this case, it's going to be looking for Wi Fi and Bluetooth.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  But what I think you'd be most interested in here is it can jam. So it can do the the video cameras, remote control cars, you know. Yeah, and any type of signal Wi Fi, but not as effective as that giant one I just pulled out. Yes. The drone detector and drone spoofer is something that I think is kind of interesting because this is a consumer device. You could buy this from them. They're willing to buy it. They're sorry, they're willing to sell it to you on their website. And the first thought you probably are having is why would they sell a device that can do these things, you know, why because it can cause damage, you know. It even has a body cam detector for Acxiom, the the brand police use for body cams. Like, why would somebody need something like this? And, you know, the the answer to it is penetration testing goes

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  good and bad, you know, like there's like we have a company that people hire us to pretend like we are the hackers. We find all the vulnerabilities before an actual attacker does so that you can fix them. The point of this device is essentially the same thing. You're treating it. You know, you're treating the the engagement as if it's a real one. So with the drone spoofer, for example, which I want to explain to you about this this stuff because it's kind of wild. The drone spoofer, a counter UAS company reaches out to them. I don't know the name of the company, but I could find out for you. A counter UAS company that is working overseas asked for them to use one of these for drone spoofing. So counter UAS just means unmanned aircraft system.

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  And when a bunch of drones are incoming, the goal is to know that that's about to happen. If you're using a device even as small as this, it overwhelmed their current system to the point where they couldn't determine whether it was real or fake drones. And it would be a, you know, not a good thing, but a great way to divert military because they're going to think we have a thousand drones coming from the north and here's the statuses of them. One's damaged, one's, you know, landing, one's going this, you know, 20 miles an hour. This one's going five miles an hour. This one's, you know, you can change the statuses and make it appear like these drones are doing all of these things because

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  of this technology that exists. It's called a remote ID. And remote ID came into effect in 2024 in consumer drones. And it required that every single drone that's purchased, you know, obviously the government drones could, could differ, but any, any drones purchased at March, I believe of 2024, has to transmit the position of where the person is standing, the position of the drone, the speed, the altitude, and the serial number of the drone, which then could give you the name of the person that registered the drone in the first place. This device can, can determine that with any drone that's flying around you. So if you have some guy flying around your backyard with a drone, you could

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  go show up at his house because you know exactly where he's standing and you can get his name if he registered it. And then as, as I said, for the spoofing side of things, that could get really dangerous, especially-

• 1:48:05Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean spoofing? It just creates the impression of somebody that's not actually there?

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  Exactly. So on their, on their UAS, on their screen where it would look like their counter UAS system, where it would look like, kind of like a radar, you know, with like dots. Just imagine it being overwhelmed with dots. And then they don't know if it's real or not real. They get geared up as if it is real. And then drones come in from a different angle that are not detectable at all, you know? So it's, it's very dangerous. And, and I don't know what the solution to the problem is because, you know, there's companies like Andro out there that are flying drones in with fiber optic and optic cables that don't even need radio. They have local AI on them. That, you know, is making decisions on what parts of tanks to hit to weaken them. And it has already been hit by this one, or the drones work together.

• 1:48:55Speaker 02

  You know, so I don't know exactly what the solution to this problem is. But, uh, but I do believe that knowing that it exists and researching some of this technology, especially for, uh, for our country is important because drones, it's not like these are a new thing. Like they were called quadcopters when I was a kid and they were hobbyists or a fun thing to do. And then as time went on, people started to weaponize them and now they're part of war. And, uh, and something as simple as a 3D printed box given at a hacking convention can cause a big problem in our, in the military.

• 1:49:26Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, and they're not just part of war, they are war. We're watching it today. What's that device right there? It looks like a transistor radio.

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  So this is, it pretty much is, uh, it's partially what it is. It's a hack RF, which is just a, it's, it does a ton of things, radio related only. Which, you know, well, not just radio, I guess also some, some other bands because it's, without going into a whole radio nerd conversation, it's from, uh, one megahertz to six gigahertz. And I don't know if you know how big of a range that is, but it's huge. It's like the only device that I'm aware of that can do anything like that. But if you look in the receive, you'll see, I can look for airplanes, boats. I can even access the intercoms in a CVS and Walgreens and like that, that thing is pretty, pretty wild. I could over some of the older, uh, loudspeakers at fast food restaurants.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  I can talk to, talk through them and listen to them, you know, in the bars, touch tunes.

• 1:50:23Tucker Carlson?

  So this, to summarize, gives you a readout of all the radio signals around you?

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, so it's going to receive or transmit. So you could, you could either receive everything around you or transmit at a, a very large range. And that is pre-programmed with some third-party firmware. It's called the H4M or the Mayhem firmware. It allows you to do some wild things like harmless. For example, you're at a bar and you see the touch tunes machine that people pay to play music on.

• 1:50:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  That thing can take over the touch tunes, add credits to it, turn it off, change the volume, change the song, you know, just, you know, easy, simple things. Or it could be more malicious where, like I said, hacking a garage door or a car.

• 1:51:08Tucker Carlson?

  So I just let me, I just want to end on a philosophical question for you.

• 1:51:14Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:51:14Tucker Carlson?

  So you've just spent two hours describing like the darkest sides of consumer technology, internet garage doors. Okay. And I know that all of that technology has brought, I guess, at least theoretically brought great benefits to humanity, whatever. You don't have to lift up your own garage door. I have manual garage doors for whatever.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  Do you really?

• 1:51:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, I do.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  Wow. You're the first one I've ever met.

• 1:51:39Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:51:39Speaker 02

  That's great. I'm glad.

• 1:51:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, lock them.

• 1:51:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Or just living in a place with no crime.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:51:47Tucker Carlson?

  My, uh, my solution, but, um, all of that, you know, I can see the upsides to all of that stuff, but they've all, all of those consumer technology products have introduced like massive vulnerabilities and control methods. Like they made us less free also.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 1:52:07Tucker Carlson?

  And why didn't anyone mention that along the way? Like I remember when they were trying to sell us on like, you know, the dishwasher you can control with your iPhone.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:52:18Tucker Carlson?

  And I was like, I'm happy to do it by hand.

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I agree with that for sure.

• 1:52:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, the internet of things like in the end, are we going to look back on this period and think?

• 1:52:30Tucker Carlson?

  We were being softened up to like surrender human autonomy to the machine.

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  I think it's going to be worse than that because yeah, I think because AI and we're trying to get artificial general intelligence where AI has consciousness and if we do achieve that state at any point.

• 1:52:45Tucker Carlson?

  But my question is like, how vulnerable is the average homeowner living as he does surrounded by all these electronic devices?

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:58Tucker Carlson?

  That ultimately, he doesn't have any control over, but somebody else does like, it seems like we put ourselves in quite a spot.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  So there, yeah, we do. And there is some, some modern solutions for modern problems, you know, and the more.

• 1:53:09Tucker Carlson?

  Cause I see the jammer and I just want to set that off in my living room, just like stop it all.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll buy one and secretly use it.

• 1:53:15Tucker Carlson?

  Against myself.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:53:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a good way to make sure you're not getting anything in or out.

• 1:53:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  But, um, you know, same with these Faraday bags, but like it stops it so your phone can't get or receive text. Like, let's say you're going to a country or in your meeting or something and you don't want anything to go in or out. Like you could just bring something like this, like without giving their company.

• 1:53:36Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I have a million of them.

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:37Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so you know what they are. I don't use them anymore because I think it's useless. And I think my phone's already controlled. So it's like.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  Well, you've been hacked, you know, you.

• 1:53:45Tucker Carlson?

  Many times.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  But to avoid being hacked, there's things you can do. And yeah, and one thing that in my experience, because I do it every day for a living, is know what's out there on yourself, know what your digital footprint is. Check out pen tester. Sorry for being that guy, but check out pen tester because it's worth it. Throw in your email, like, you know, see what comes back. Spend, spend a couple of dollars to make sure that you're, you're protected, remove as much personal data about yourself as possible. So you don't have to worry about somebody being able to find your address or find your information online. And, uh, and then take some of the stuff that I'm showing you, these devices, as of right now, criminals are not, you know, super sophisticated, but these younger kids, they're growing up around computers and they're

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  going to learn about this technology and this technology is only going to advance. Just continue to keep yourself in the loop and don't, don't just be stagnant and think that this is never going to happen to you. Um, doesn't mean that it will, but don't be naive, you know?

• 1:54:44Tucker Carlson?

  Is there any device, electronics device you would not bring inside your home?

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  I mean, I would, I would personally, even if I didn't like the device, I would put it on what's called a virtual LAN or similar to like a guest network, how it's like kind of segregated, you know, I, I, I'm not super concerned about it. I even have like a vacuum in my house right now that I know is sending data to a Chinese cloud server. I made a video about it and it went insane because, you know, it's China cloud server, people like that for whatever reason on the internet. And I still have the thing plugged in. I mean, I'm not worried about it because it's segregated on my network. And even if the thing goes rogue, which it may, it can't access anything else because it's digitally locked in its little sandbox.

• 1:55:28Tucker Carlson?

  So you're not afraid that at one point the CCP is going to order it to vacuum you?

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I might get my little, my baby pinky toe or something, but that's about as bad as it

• 1:55:37Tucker Carlson?

  So there's no device that you would be personally afraid of having in your home?

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  Maybe your cellphone.

• 1:55:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I don't think you want my cellphone in your house.

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  No, I don't want that one in there.

• 1:55:48Tucker Carlson?

  Literally. Ryan, thank you for all of this. I'm going to be thinking about it for the next week every, the second I wake up in the morning. That was really dark. I hope somebody does something about those groups.

• 1:56:00Speaker 02

  I am sorry, and I'm working as hard as I possibly can to do that. And I appreciate you letting me share that message on your platform because it means the world to me, more than I can even put in words.

• 1:56:09Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you. Thank you for doing this.

• 1:56:11Speaker 02

  Thank you.