John Brown won't apologize for his parenting playbook to greatness or his primary role in shaping his sons’ athletic careers, all 3 reaching elite levels, especially All-Pro Amon-Ra St. Brown, who credits his dad for his NFL mindset, discipline & drive.

“I don’t care about backlash or any comments because In life you are going to be the hammer or the nail, I’m the hammer.” John Brown We've been waiting on this one, especially Channing who met his match in someone who is even more unapologetic than he is about approaching life, his family and his backlash. On this episode of The Pivot Podcast, we sit down with John Brown — former Mr. Universe, strategic coach, podcaster and father of NFL star Amon-Ra St. Brown — for a powerful conversation about parenting with purpose and raising professional athletes from the ground up. His parenting groundwork is built on being number one and not teaching kids to compete, but to dominate by any means necessary, always outworking and outplaying your competition. Ryan, Fred and Chan push back on this style, asking questions that get a quick and fiery response. Known for his disciplined, no-excuses approach to training and life, John Brown shares how his background in elite bodybuilding shaped the structure, mindset, and daily standards inside his household. From homeschooling and intense training sessions to language lessons and early morning workouts, he breaks down the intentional system he built to prepare his sons for excellence — not just in football, but in life. John is very confident with his style as he shares the philosophy behind raising self-motivated, high-performing kids, how structure and routine build long-term confidence, the way of teaching discipline without crushing individuality and the difference between talent and preparation, His life story — from competitive bodybuilding to building a family legacy More than a sports conversation, this episode dives deep into a rare form of love, family bonds, accountability, and what it truly takes to raise professionals in today’s world. Whether you’re a parent, coach, or young athlete, this discussion offers a blueprint for developing resilience, work ethic, and generational greatness. Pivot Family, comment, like, hit the subscribe button, we enjoy hearing and learning from you- the good and the bad, we want to know! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:28Ryan Clark?

  Today's guest is John Brown. Many of you know him as Detroit Lions All-Pro Receiver, Amon Ra St. Brown's father. Or maybe Equiminius's father, or even Osiris. Well, all were D1 power forward receivers, two NFL starters, and the youngest, Amon Ra, is one of the best in the business at his position. It's probably weird to hear his last name is Brown and his boys are St. Brown. And I would love to tell you that there's a big story to it, but there's not. He just thought that St. Brown would look better on the back of a jersey. You see, from his boy's birth, he had a plan. And let him tell it, he always has a plan.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  You might be surprised to know that the Compton-born and bred Brown was also a world-renowned bodybuilder, winning Mr. Universe, Mr. World. So it's not like this dude's a bum who lives through his children. Now, he clarifies his statements on "cutting the blood with Channing," talks "training and raising children," what grandfathers look like, and what happens when the plan doesn't work. So I guess that gets us to Plan B. Oh crap, wait, there's no Plan B. He does tell us why football was never for him, and also why leadership and guidance is extremely important. Mr. Brown, as I respectfully call him, is self-assured, he's real, I mean, wait, and

• 1:52Ryan Clark?

  sometimes unreal, but more than anything, he's authentic. And this is one that has everything in this episode, so please enjoy this pivot conversation with the ever-controversial, but also educational, John Brown.

• 2:26Ryan Clark?

  Channing's idol?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  He crazy.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  He's crazy.

• 2:36Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I got OG hit.

• 2:37Ryan Clark?

  You ready?

• 2:38Channing Crowder?

  Well, speak my language.

• 2:40Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I know you've been waiting for this. Pivot fam, this is John Brown. I mean amateur Mr. Universe two times. Bodybuilder, been in Europe, been to different countries, done so much. Also the father of Equiminius, Osiris, and Amanra St. Brown. This is Fred Taylor. This is Channing Crowder. I'm Ryan Clark. Pivot fam, thank y'all for pivoting with us. I can't believe you and Chan were having conversations about not cutting it too much. I thought you was over getting in trouble for that.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Well, I wasn't trying to get in trouble. I mean, my thing is, well, let's explain what he said. He's bigger than I thought he was. First of all, he's a big old dude. People who don't know, he's thick too, right? And so he said his wife is 5'9".

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  I go, yeah, you're half and half. You half black, half white?

• 3:26Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  I said, was your wife black? I said, okay, good, you can't keep cutting it, you know? I mean, most of the guys in the league are African American. So it's just, for me, they said I was a racist, but I'm a strategist. There's a difference. So for people who are listening to me talk, here's my thing. If you want your child to be number one in the world, listen to what I'm saying. If you want to be number two, don't listen to me. I don't know nothing about number two. Only thing I know is about number one. So if you want your child to be number one, listen to what I'm saying. I have a thing called black coffee. Reason I use that analogy is because not everybody can drink black coffee straight. Some of them a little sugar, a little cream. I ain't got no sugar, I ain't got no cream. I'm gonna give it to you straight, you believe it or not.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  If you want your child to be second place, second fiddle, then just keep it pushing. Don't listen to what I'm saying. This is only for those who want to get to the top, period. Now we can go.

• 4:22Ryan Clark?

  So my question is this, though, you know, you did get the people saying that you were racist, talking about not cutting it.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:30Ryan Clark?

  Which I thought was a ridiculous statement, being that you're married.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  My wife is white.

• 4:36Ryan Clark?

  To a white woman.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  I'd be racist.

• 4:38Ryan Clark?

  Right, and so for you, what was that backlash like? Because we texted during that, and we were trying to get a show done. And then you went on with Amon Ra and I think Equiminius on their show to kind of talk about it. What was some of that backlash like for someone who knows he's not a thing that people were trying to make you out to be? And that does fall on your boys as well.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I don't read all that internet stuff, so I don't know. I just heard, saw some clippings. I don't care about backlash, because in life, you're gonna be the hammer or the nail. You understand? I'm the hammer. So the nail never likes the hammer, because he's always messing with him, you know what I mean? So it's a compliment in a way, because if they're talking about you, good or bad, there's something you're doing to call their attention. You have to, in my opinion, people are always trying to tackle the person who's running with the ball. So if you don't want to get tackled, you want anybody to talk about you, don't pick the ball up. It's part of the program, if you're trying to get to the top. That dude in second place, you ain't gotta worry about him.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  He loves people talking, he don't care if they talk about him. This is about first place here, that's it.

• 5:48Channing Crowder?

  And you say you're a strategist, because that's what I was telling you where I had knee problems.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:53Channing Crowder?

  I tore my ACL four times in high school, it affected my college recruiting, it affected my draft stock and all that. So I actually, when I would date people, I'd ask them, "What's your knee health history and your family?" And they think it's funny, Fred laughs all the time. I wasn't gonna breed in knee problems into my children.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  It's hereditary, it's all right.

• 6:13Channing Crowder?

  You thought about that with your three sons?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 6:16Channing Crowder?

  From the beginning, before you even, because we all know how babies are made.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:20Channing Crowder?

  You thought about, before making a baby, "I'm not going to make a baby with somebody that doesn't have no good stock."

• 6:27Speaker 02

  I was 19 years old when I was thinking like this. And I didn't have kids until I was in my 30s. I've been thinking like this for a long time. So again...

• 6:38Speaker 02

  If you want your child to be a great athlete, you gotta think of these things. You know, if you wanna have a sprinter or a fast, swift athlete, cuz you were that, you gotta watch how a woman walks. If she walks with her palms like this, that's fine. If she walks like this, that's a gorilla. You can't, now, you can get a lineman. Ain't nothing wrong with gorillas, don't get me wrong. But you can get some linemen out of that. The linemen? Yeah, look at people when they walk. See if their hands are like the gorilla look or like this here. Look at those ankles. Those ankles are small, she's swift. Yeah. You gotta look at this. Thick ankles ain't. Thick ankles, no. But they, don't get me wrong, ain't nothing wrong with a big ol' woman. Cuz, hey, there's a lot of big ol' linemen getting paid. Yeah. So, it depends on what you want. You gotta think about this. At 19, you was thinking about this? Oh, yeah, I'm thinking.

• 7:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that's kinda what I wanna hit on, John, is being vision-driven.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:26Fred Taylor?

  Something I think both you and Deion, uh, prime time, have done well. When I talk about structure, intentionality, discipline, how you guys shaped your sons. When did, like, these visions first come to your mind, you know, after you had your boys?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I think it was divine, because if you ask me, what made you change their last name? I can't really, I just knew it was the thing to do. I was, I was, it's like I was guided. I knew that Brown, no, it can't be Brown. You got James Brown, Star Trouble, Bobby Brown, all these fools. No, they need to stand out, so I'm gonna put Saint Brown. I just knew it. These visions, I just knew to what type of woman you gotta. I can't explain to you, it was just, it just came to me. And I just knew. And it's not like I took a class or I read a book. I just knew. Best I can tell you is, think about it. I'm in a hospital, none of my kids are here yet. Equinemia's the first one, he comes out. I tell my wife, we gotta change the last name. She goes, why?

• 8:27Speaker 02

  I say, just trust me, it's gonna look good on the jersey. And she's like, well, what are you talking about? It's hard, you can't, you won't understand it. I felt like Noah N'Arc or something. I just knew what to do.

• 8:37Fred Taylor?

  So, it was, it was football and nothing else? Or did you consider?

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Uh, it was, it was football, uh, obviously basketball, baseball. We're not doing no stupid stuff like track and field or volleyball, no, no.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  I was a bodybuilder. I won the Mr. Universe twice, Mr. World three times. I got a lot, I made a little money, but not what I should have made. Had I played football, I'd have been better off, or baseball, basketball. Look, parents gotta guide their kids. Don't become your kid's friend. That's a bunch of BS. I give my kids a choice whether they can have chocolate, or ice, or vanilla. They can choose that. Other than that, I'm choosing everything. Because I have more knowledge than them, I'm smarter than them. I was at a golf range, there was a gentleman there hitting balls. He noticed me, he said, "Hey, good. I listen to your stuff because my grandson is playing some sport, and we're just trying to see what it is he likes." You don't, what do you mean what he like or she like?

• 9:37Speaker 02

  You tell them what they like. This is a mistake. See, you got lazy parents, but you don't have lazy kids. All these parents are lazy out here doing this madness.

• 9:45Ryan Clark?

  When did the boys get to an age where it became a conversation? Because it seems like for much of their young lives, it was, let's say, a dictatorship, right? You were the parent, you knew more than they did based on wisdom, experience, and so you were gonna guide them or tell them what it was that they could like. Now they're grown adult men. When did the transition come where now I'm having a conversation with my father? My father's no longer telling me what to do.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  That probably happened when they were just exiting college. That's when that started to happen, you know? Because at some point, you gotta let them fly on their own, you know? For me, it was college. I said, "When you go to, when it's time to pick a college, I stay out. I'm here if you need me." But I pulled back because picking a college, in my opinion, I could be wrong, was like a rack of ties. You look at a rack of ties, you go, "Man, what tie do I want?" And there's gonna, you're only gonna pick one. And if for some reason... You want this one. So it was like college. I mean, they had all the top schools. You pick. You feel it, you feel it. And so I let them pick. That's when I kind of backed off a little.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  I'm still here to support them, but I kind of backed off.

• 11:04Ryan Clark?

  You thought about jerseys, though. So why not football for you, growing up in Compton? What made you go away?

• 11:11Speaker 02

  I just told you, I had no guidance. My mom and daddy were not there. I lived in a house with my mom and dad, and they did the best they can, but they were asleep. They were not conscious, I call. So if you're not conscious, and you just sleep at the wheel, or you're lazy, you don't know. So that's why I didn't do it, because I had no help. When I was four years old, I went to Emerson Elementary School. And that's when I decided to believe in myself. At the water fountain. I'll never forget it. I can take you to the spot and say.

• 11:41Ryan Clark?

  What happened at the water fountain?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Well, there was a little girl there. She was talking to me. And I told her, I'm gonna win some gold medals. And she said, what are you talking about? I'm gonna win gold medals. And she acted like she didn't believe me. And that was shocking to me, like, how do you not see that? I'm John Brown. I'm the greatest. So I knew then, I had to believe in myself to make this thing happen. Yeah.

• 12:06Channing Crowder?

  But there's a phrase called helicopter parent. You're a helicopter parent. But it's almost taken as negative, like you evolved in this and on them, waking them up, doing that. Where it burns kids out. And I would say personally, that's the thing we talked about recently on the show. Where I want my kids to be successful so bad. I be on them, be on them, sending them to schools and all these schools, and trying to get them right, and waking them up early and working out. But at some.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Hold on, I gotta stop you there. I got, you got it out, I hear it. I got a question. When you grew up, did your mom and dad have a one-car garage, or two-car garage, or three? Which one was it?

• 12:45Ryan Clark?

  None.

• 12:46Channing Crowder?

  Garage?

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Hold on, Captain Dynamite. Look here. Did your mom have a three-car garage or two-car?

• 12:53Fred Taylor?

  We stayed in an apartment upstairs. No garage.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Okay. If you have a two-car garage, you got a chance. You got a three-car garage in a guarded community, it's gonna be difficult. It's possible, but it's a little harder. What you got now?

• 13:09Ryan Clark?

  Four.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Four. Eight.

• 13:13Fred Taylor?

  It's bigger than four.

• 13:15Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, he has a mall. He lives in a mall.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  So, I'm just saying, when you have a two-car garage, it's easier to make it. When you live in a gated community, three cars, you can make it, your kid can make it, but it's gonna be a little harder. You know, and so in terms of helicopter, dad, I heard that Tiger Moms and all this stuff here, look. It goes in one ear and out the other. Everyone, at least most people on the planet, agree and accept that kids have to go to school at an early age, five, six, seven. You make them go to school. You helicopter them. Most kids don't wanna go to school, but we all support that, you know what? No talking, no discussion, you're going to school, period. And no one said, called them helicopters.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  It's the same thing with sports, you gotta just stay on top of them.

• 14:11Fred Taylor?

  A lot of people know your story because of your sons, right? Uh, from your sons, and RC kinda skimmed over the fact that you were two-time Mr. Universe, three-time Mr. World. I don't know the differences between those two, but maybe you can chime in on that, but your personal sacrifices, right? You had to give up some stuff to see that you can push your children further, and obviously you attained the end goal. But let's talk about your personal sacrifices. What did you personally give up to see that, you know, they were able to reach their dreams?

• 14:42Speaker 02

  As a parent, in my opinion, I gave up everything. I had a little business.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  I wasn't a rich as relative, how many, a lot of money as relative, but I had a little business. And I gave up everything, nothing mattered to me. I met a gentleman the other day. He came to me, he says, I need to talk to you, I got a problem. I go, what's the problem? He says, I'm telling my son to do the things you were telling him, but my wife is saying that I'm living vicariously through my son. My wife is saying, because I didn't make it, I'm too hard on my son, trying to push my son too hard. No, don't listen to that. Look. This, I was lucky, my wife never said that. I had a mission with my kids. And if you're on that mission, I don't care if your wife is acting crazy, talking bad,

• 15:33Speaker 02

  saying that you're living vicariously to your kid, you're just doing this because you didn't make it. Let her say it. You gotta just take the bullets. As a dad, take all them bullets. Don't say anything. Stay on the mission. Don't ever lose sight of the mission. That's important. I felt sorry for that guy. And he was telling me, man, because sometimes I wonder if she's right. Is she right? Am I making a mistake? Am I pushing too hard? Stay-at-home moms, my wife was a stay-at-home mom, they're underrated.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Stay-at-home moms are one of the best things you can ever find. You gotta stay-at-home mom, man, it's easy to nurture your kids. You don't want someone else doing that. So mom and dad, it's better when you guys on the same page. My wife wakes up and tells me she's leaving, they're going to live in Paris, France. I go, okay, why are you doing that? She goes, because they're learning French. I think it's better to immerse them into the country. I said, okay, good. So I put the money out, they went to Paris for a whole semester, and that was how it works. I'm supporting what she's doing, she's supporting what you gotta have support. But if you don't have support, don't take your eye off the mission.

• 16:42Ryan Clark?

  I have a question about the perception of black fathers. You know, the way Channing references you and Dania every show we do about parenting is crazy, right? Like, I think he has a poster on his wall of you and your boys.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  John Brown said it.

• 16:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? But, you know, along with you having three very successful athletes, LeVar Ball as well. And there's been a ton of negativity in sometimes surrounding you and them and the way that you've parented, and the way that you guys show up, and the way that you're present. And I feel like that conversation is a conversation that seems to be reserved for African-American fathers that push their kids to excellence. How much of that do you think is just the misperception or the way people kind of misconstrued what you were doing as a dad?

• 17:40Speaker 02

  I don't talk much about black and white to my kids. There was some backlash, a lot. You know, if you, if I turn around, you see all these arrows in my back for me protecting my Cubs. You'll understand that. But I grew up in Compton. I seen a lot of bad stuff. A lot of guys getting shot in front of me, I been shot at. I had guns pulled on me, I been at gunpoint at least three or four times in my life. I'm talking about within two feet threatening to kill me. I don't discuss these things with my kids because I don't want my kids to become militant. Because they didn't grow up in that. Their life is different now. What they see, what they experience is, if I tell them the stories and if you tell, I don't want to say the name,

• 18:25Speaker 02

  but there's a, there's a athlete, a basketball guy who didn't get a lot of endorsement because he was too militant. Because the dad made him real militant. Look at Maxine Waters. I hate to say it, but this lady tells the truth about her experience, how white folks treated her. I experienced that. But I don't tell it to my son because that ain't today. It's a whole different thing. So you gotta, you gotta just ignore that. Let them say it and keep it pushing. It ain't, because it's not that serious.

• 18:59Speaker 00

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• 19:28Ryan Clark?

  Did you experience any of that in bodybuilding? Which especially, you know, during your time, wasn't necessarily a sport for African Americans. How much of that did you experience during your career?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  There was, it was, well, a lot as relative, but for an example, I wanted Mr. Universe, Come Home. There's a magazine called Muscle Digest. And they wanted to do a story on me and this and that. I go, okay, I'll do it unless, but you have to put me on the cover of the magazine. Mike Glass, white guy, nice guy, good friend of mine, came back and said, Johnny, said, no. I go, why? He put his head down and said, just tell me, who cares? Because you're black. I think he's joking, right? They didn't say that, right? He goes, yeah. I go, why would he say, who cares? White people love black bodybuilders. Where they sell, if they put you on the cover, the cells won't, the cells will drop.

• 20:23Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  And I thought, well, that's kind of weird. I don't believe it, but whatever. I said, well, I'm not going to do it. And then they agreed. So, yeah, there were some things, but again, I don't care.

• 20:34Ryan Clark?

  To that point, and I know you're saying, or you speak of how things are different. And I do believe they're different in some ways. I think it's evolved from that. I don't believe it's the simple, just, we can't do it.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:50Ryan Clark?

  Because he's black. But there is a connection to the culture that they're unfamiliar with. When you look at someone like Lamar Jackson, right? Who still has his same friends from South Florida, who wears his hair a certain way, who dresses a certain way coming into the game, who wears a grill, but who's also a two-time MVP, who's also a three-time first-team All-Pro. His statistics, his accolades, his production say, should be used as one of the faces of the league and marketed that way, but he's not. And then you look at Josh Allen, or you look at Patrick Mahomes, and they are seen that way and talked about that way and marketed that way.

• 21:35Ryan Clark?

  And so where I agree with you, your children are not a part of the same era or culture that you were, there are still some of those remnants of things that you have gone through.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree with that.

• 21:49Ryan Clark?

  You know?

• 21:49Speaker 02

  200%. The great analogy you just gave, and I believe that things are slowly changing, you know? I 100% agree that Lamar Jackson should be celebrated more for his accomplishments. So, and I think things are, I'm hoping that, you know, as we progress through life, things change. Because 100% that is still there.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  You know, I see it every day. I'm not ignorant to that fact.

• 22:17Channing Crowder?

  As you're raising your boys and you're breeding them to be athletes, then you're training them to be athletes. Do you talk to them about the marketing side, the marketability? Because my son, I'm pretty much done. My son gonna have tattoos. His daddy got tattoos all over his body. When he gets of age, I think he'll get tattoos. He got dreads down his back. I have to be honest with myself that that's not as marketable as a Patrick Mahomes, as a Josh Allen. Did you ever have those conversations with your boys? Because your boys are very, it sounds crazy, well-kept. They'll look great in a Haynes video. They'll look great on a commercial. Did you ever think about that with your boys?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  I did, I did. You know, I thought, look, you guys. I had a, not an intense conversation, but I would say, look, you gotta be careful with drinking, smoking, because it's a gateway to other drugs. Tattoos, I referred to, what's the girl's name who said, don't put a bumper sticker on the Bentley?

• 23:18Ryan Clark?

  I never heard that.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Kardashian, one of the Kardashians. She said, I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my Bentley. So it's the same thing, like, why would you? I told my sons, why would you? You like your hairstyle you have now, right? He go, yeah. Would you like to have that hairstyle for the rest of your life? No. I said, why would you put something on your body that's there for the rest of your life? It's a fad. It's cool right now, but at some point, it's gonna go out of fashion, and you're stuck. I don't want to have a natural jerry curl for my whole life.

• 23:48Ryan Clark?

  You did have a jerry curl at one point, though.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  You didn't have a curl, you was out. You went in. You didn't have a curl back then, you was out.

• 23:55Ryan Clark?

  I have a question, though. What was more important? To make sure you was oiled up and tanned up for the competition? Or to make sure the jerry curl was together?

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Everything. Head to toe, you gotta have it right, baby. But listen, my curl wasn't wet.

• 24:12Ryan Clark?

  You like Deon, it was, it looked wet, but it dropped.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  I had a white roommate. And Eric is in the bathroom, he had curly hair and he was spraying some stuff in his hair. I go, "What the hell is that?" And I touched his hair, it was hard like a rock. I go, "What is that?" He goes, "Mousse." I said, "What the hell is that?" "It just keeps the curls." So, I sprayed the mousse in my hair, and it was hard, but it wasn't wet.

• 24:33Ryan Clark?

  It was shiny.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  It was shiny everything. But you had to have from head to toe. And so my, back to that question about my, my sons. You know, I would, I would have them when they were like, what, seven, eight years old. I would get up the camera and have a guy frame it up. Okay, and interview your brother, ask questions. And I would have them interview each other.

• 24:52Ryan Clark?

  At seven?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. You gotta do all that stuff. And so, you gotta sit your kids down. If you're trying to do what I'm talking about. I see kids, man, I saw a kid one day who was 6'3", 13 years old, could run like a rabbit. I said, "Man, if that was my son, 100% he goes to the NFL." People think to get to NFL, NBA is difficult. It's not difficult. Look at NBA. No offense to you guys, but they miss most of their shots. Whatever, you shoot 30%, you're good?

• 25:22Ryan Clark?

  Nah, you gotta shoot better than that.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  What, 1%?

• 25:24Ryan Clark?

  Nah, you could bat 300 and be good. You gotta be a 50% shooter.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Nah, I'm joking. Even 50 is bad. How you gonna be able to miss half of your shot?

• 25:34Ryan Clark?

  Because it's basketball, it's hard.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no, they're lazy. They're not taking, they're not, look at Curry. Why is Steph Curry better than everyone else? He puts in more work. Why is it the last 10 years MVPs came from Europe? Last 10 years in a row. Think about it, RC, I see your eyeballs moving.

• 25:54Ryan Clark?

  I, I think that is true.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  They taking over because they putting in more work.

• 25:58Ryan Clark?

  But they, but they aren't taking over. We're talking about a select few players. Now, Nikola Jokic just happens to be the best in the world. But you're talking about all of these different continents and countries and all of them, and you get one player that's Greek in Yannis.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  You're talking about all the states in the United States, and you get one player. We're all looking for one player, the best, the MVP. Why is he not from the last 10 years? Why is he not from here? I'm telling you why, because they're lazy. If you're listening to my voice, you have a kid, and he wants to play basketball, put in more work, you make it easy, it's not difficult. Making this thing happen is like this. If I did a magic trick, and then I showed you the trick, you'd go, "Oh, that ain't nothing." It's not as impressive. The man who tells his wife... Standing against the wall and he throw knives in the carnival. My question is, how many knives did he have to throw before he told her, honey, stand there? I think I'm ready. He had to throw a lot of knives.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  My point is, if you have a child, you gotta throw a lot of knives to make your child that person.

• 27:03Ryan Clark?

  Okay, so here is, here is my question. And me and Channing, we talked about this recently because we were saying about how you want to see your children succeed at the thing they want to do. You have three boys, all of which were powerful college football players, all of which had varying NFL success, right? Equiminius, when you look at him, if you walked them all in here, I'd say, that one's probably the best. He's the tallest, he's the biggest, but Amon Ra is gonna be a Hall of Famer. How much do you believe the individual drive and talent and natural skills of your sons played into their success?

• 27:48Ryan Clark?

  Because you were doing and raising them all the same way.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  It played 25%. What's built would always outlast what's born. Let me say it again, what's built will always outlast what's born. In the 70s, the best athlete made it. Nowadays, you got guys who are not as good as that athlete, but they putting in their work, they're taking their jobs. You gotta put that work in.

• 28:16Fred Taylor?

  Do you care more that they remember the system you built or the belief that you had in them?

• 28:21Speaker 02

  All that. Once you ingrained it in them, it is what they are. It is the way they move in life. I, I trained my kids not to be competitive, to dominate. I'm all over the place in my head because I know only have so much time and there's so many things I wanna say. First thing, let me tell you this, people, I don't, I ain't got time to tell you everything, but you can follow me on John Brown Podcast on Instagram and look it up on YouTube and you can find out everything else. But I try to instill the good things in, in, in my kids, to tell them how to think, how to, to turn them into. Lack of a better term, monsters, dove in the pinchers.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  So, we go out there, we dominate kids. Don't teach your kids how to compete. Don't be competitive. What is that? Dominate them. If you don't dominate them, you ain't doing it right. Again, we're talking about trying to be number one in the world, not number two. And pick the right sports. Don't do swimming or something stupid like that, you know? What's wrong with parents? You know why they do that? Because they don't believe in their kids. Look at WNBA. I bet there's a handful of girls, more than a handful, that could have played professional tennis and made a lot of money. They're great athletes. Mom and dad didn't push them right. It comes down to mom and dad. I was self-made, but I'm the exception, not the rule.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  So, you have to make sure that you take your kids and put them in the right direction.

• 29:52Fred Taylor?

  What if you have a belief? Because it comes down to beliefs, because you had your belief. And as a parent, like, you have to believe what's best for you and your children, and you have to parent accordingly. So, for example, we have a lot of talk about, well, football is so tough, and I don't want to put my kids into football right now. And then, flag football, from a structure standpoint, it's becoming more popular, more relevant. And a lot of parents want to go that route before they put them in the tackle. I see in South Florida where we live, a lot of parents want to go soccer, work on footwork, and then eventually allow their children to transition into flag and then tackle football. So, what if a parent has that sort of, you know, thought process

• 30:37Fred Taylor?

  in terms of allowing their children to go forward?

• 30:39Speaker 02

  I'm OK with that, but only from five years old to nine years old. Then you stop it. At nine years old, you got to pick the hill you're going to live and die on. You can't be doing that stuff no more. So, at nine years old, you must say, this is it. Here's what we're going to do. And I'm going to help you. But mom and dad must be there.

• 30:56Fred Taylor?

  You and Dion, I think you both are great, have been great fathers in the development of your sons and allowing them to get to where they are now. Dion, he sort of brought his children up in an exposed environment, where your environment was more controlled. Like, you were right there. Both of you were right there, but Joe's more controlled. His was more by exposure. Do you think it's better to expose them or shield them as you're bringing them up throughout?

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Oh, wow, that's a good question. I have to think about that. Shoot, I'm usually... On the dome with it. Wow. Wow, that's a good one. I think he has more exposure because of his lifestyle. He's exposed, right? I like to walk quietly but carry a big stick. I prefer that, you know? And so when you hit them beside the head, they ain't ready for it. If you come out loud, they are, "Oh, we know where he is." You know, even though Ama Ra was loud.

• 31:55Ryan Clark?

  Oh, I remember. He been that way.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:58Ryan Clark?

  I talked it up till you was a little tired and you let him do a little more than the other ones.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 32:03Ryan Clark?

  You know, by the time you get to number three, you be like, "Man, I ain't even trigger."

• 32:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Osiris is my minus.

• 32:10Ryan Clark?

  Really?

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Oh, by far. Oh, my Lord. There's no question about it. Equinemia's, he got, there's hot sauce on the menu, too. If you order, you're gonna get it. You know, so I ain't got no poo butt.

• 32:23Ryan Clark?

  Oh, no.

• 32:24Fred Taylor?

  They say that middle child is the head.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:26Ryan Clark?

  Now, we know you ain't got no soft.

• 32:29Speaker 00

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• 32:58Ryan Clark?

  Let's talk about the way you parent or the way you advise relationships. Right? Because.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Shannon, talk to me.

• 33:06Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, because, because Ama Ra went the wrong number because his girl didn't even know how many people got drafted before. You know, and you seem, and Ms. Miriam, you guys seem to understand one another and support one another. And I can't think that there are a lot of people who would understand the way that you approached relationships. It is with love and respect. But you were like, "I'm not finna marry somebody that's finna cut this and my boys can't get this good." So my question to you is when you talk to them about their relationships and where they go in marriage and then how they're gonna raise kids, what is some of the advice you give your boys in finding a woman?

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Well, you can fall in love with a short woman or a tall woman. The same love is the love. You understand? You got a choice to make. Be mindful. Amara has a beautiful girlfriend. And talking about inside, not out. She's beautiful outside too, but just been together since 10th grade. It's just wonderful. But at that time, when I met her, she was 16 years old and I told her, "Amara don't have a girlfriend. Girls are dream killers." Yeah, girls are dream killers. Everybody know that, right? So you agree with that? I got to put you on the spot.

• 34:20Ryan Clark?

  No, I don't agree with that.

• 34:25Ryan Clark?

  I do not agree with that. Unlike you, I have two daughters.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  And also, I would say to them, "Girls, if I had girls, boys are dream killers." You agree with that?

• 34:37Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Okay. So we all on the same page with this thing here. So I told them that, but not to say anything bad towards her, just to try to give them a good foundation to understand this mission we're on. You can't screw around. You know? "I'm in love."

• 34:55Speaker 02

  No, I can't play the game. I can't play that. I'm in love. She broke my heart. You can't have that. You can't get the heart broken. You know? It'll be more love.

• 35:05Ryan Clark?

  I mean, it'll be another love. But I mean, just even, but even in that, right? You say tall woman, short woman. Women are dream killers. But they're now adults and they've made it. And to have a son who's been with the same young lady since the 10th grade. Obviously, she was a, she has been a part of the dream. How do you think grandfather John Brown would be?

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Ooh. I already have, Equinemia has a grand, I have a grandbaby. I'm always trying to put a tennis racket in her hand right now. She's only five. I'm like, "What's going on? What we doing? We got to get it going." He's five years old. We start, in my house, you start training at five years old. You can't screw around, you know? I mean, why? Look, even my wife made them learn German, went to German school, French school. They took the SAT in three languages, German, French, and English. All three of my boys. They was top at everything. We just try to destroy you at everything. Academics, sports. We trying to take your lunch. We just ripping your heart out. That's the model in my house. Rip they heart. Rip them out.

• 36:15Fred Taylor?

  You mentioned your wife and the role she played on the educational side and you obviously handled the physical.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  And I had some dude educated too. I ain't no dummy. I just wanted to make sure people understand that.

• 36:25Fred Taylor?

  No, I want you to tell it. What are the non-negotiables in your household?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  And to my wife or to my kids?

• 36:32Fred Taylor?

  Just in your household, just across the board.

• 36:34Ryan Clark?

  I would like to know your relationship, non-negotiables with your wife first, if that's okay? I just.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Relationship with my sons?

• 36:42Ryan Clark?

  No, with your wife. Like, what are your non-negotiables in a marriage?

• 36:47Speaker 02

  I ain't standing in line.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  If there's a long line, I ain't doing it. Alright?

• 36:53Ryan Clark?

  That means that your wife has to stand in the line?

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Or we gotta go home. I ain't doing that. If there's a long line, I ain't doing it.

• 36:59Fred Taylor?

  What happened to your patience?

• 37:01Speaker 02

  No, no, it's just smart. It's being smart.

• 37:03Ryan Clark?

  Alright, that's number one?

• 37:04Speaker 02

  You know, why would you stand in line for something?

• 37:05Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Now, this is a, I'm old school, so I'm gonna say something that doesn't apply today. But back in the day, I would never stop if I didn't have a cellphone to make a phone call at a phone booth. Never, ever. That ain't happening. So those are two things that just ain't happening in my life. But other than that, I mean, I think my wife would disagree, but I think I'm pretty chill, you know? Like I'mma told you, I'mma said he was lovable. Right?

• 37:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he definitely said he was lovable.

• 37:34Channing Crowder?

  It gotta be, cuz you acting like it's too smooth. You were a strong spirit, I would say. And, but you and your wife had to have some kind of trouble learning what you're trying to do. Even if she agrees though, it gotta be pushback, man, cuz I'm trying to, I'm trying to get to John Brown's. I'm trying to go to John Brown's school, but I can't take this shit home.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 37:59Channing Crowder?

  My wife ain't dealing with that.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Well, you gotta stay the course though. You understand? Keep the family intact because if you, if a person like the gentleman I spoke to, he's having conflicts with his wife. You can't leave the wife. Because if you leave the wife, now you only gonna see your kids on the weekends, half the time. You gotta think about the mission. It's to get to the top of the mountain. So, let her say what she wants. Let her do what she want. Everybody just stay the course. It's very important to stay the course, you know?

• 38:32Channing Crowder?

  You have a standard, but do you recognize that your wife is a saint? For figuring out that she has to, or y'all have to understand that standard. Her path to heaven is paved. Oh, she VIP line. She gonna have a bottle in heaven.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  I'm assuming that. I realize that, you know, because the job she did was unbelievable. I mean, we almost never disagreed. We had disagreed with, what should she do? Should she wear this? Should she go skiing with them? I don't want them to get injured, something like that. But we almost never had disagreement. I don't ever remember her saying, "I'm in the garage, let's go, 10 more, 20 more. You're doing too much." I never heard that. All she said was, "Dinner's ready," that's all I heard. "All right, boys, let's go, line it up. Let's get it right here."

• 39:17Ryan Clark?

  What type of husband did you want to model for the boys? Because it definitely seems like you know what type of father you wanted to model. You wanted to be involved. You wanted to be present. You wanted to teach them and show them what to like and how to get there. You have this entire life mapped out of who they need to be. A lot of what our children see, especially our boys, in how to become husbands and how to become men is watching us do that. What sort of husband did you want to model for them to be able to know when you go forward, this is how you should treat the mother?

• 39:56Speaker 02

  To be active in their lives. My dad did the best he could. I played football in high school. I body build. They never came to one event. I was always by myself. So, I want my kids to look at me and go, you know, my dad always supported me. Don't forget, you gotta give your kids support. And to make them feel that they're worthy, that they can do it. That's what I want to give them.

• 40:21Channing Crowder?

  And, and you say, it reminds me of Nelly's line. "I'm number one, two is not a winner, three, nobody remembers." That's how you re-

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Oh, Nelly said that?

• 40:29Channing Crowder?

  "I wanna be number one, two is not a winner, and three, nobody remembers."

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Ooh, yeah.

• 40:34Channing Crowder?

  And that's how, you saying that there's no number two. I don't care about him, we need to be number one.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:39Channing Crowder?

  Amon Ra is a Hall of Fame receiver. He did the same work as Equinemia and Osiris. How did those conversations go with the two sons that aren't on that top level?

• 40:53Speaker 02

  That's a good question. I told Equinemia, because he played in the league, I go, "Look, here's what I learned about this thing, this football thing." I used to hear guys say, "Man," they're at home on their couch. "I never got a break, I never got a chance." I thought, "Well, he's full of it." Man, there's a lot of luck involved in this thing. I know, I told my sons when they're young, "I'm your dad, screw what you read in the papers, online. I'm gonna tell you the truth. If you ain't crap, I'm gonna tell you you ain't crap." If I tell you, you good, you want the best in the world, you can know you are. So, at the end of the day, there's a lot of luck involved in this thing. So, I tell my son, like, "Look at Equinemia." He's been bouncing around. I said, "I saw a guy the other day."

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I know, all I know is his last name was White. He was on some practice squad, now he's here. Last year, he was on the practice squad, now he's here. I said, "Look, never quit grinding. You never know when your, when, when your chance come. So, you gotta always keep your knife sharp." So, always telling that. Osiris, Osiris hated football from the very beginning. Had he not got hurt, man, I'm telling you, he was a freak.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  But he didn't like football. Well, I said, who cares if you like it or not, you're gonna do it. You like the money, you see? So, he got injured in high school, he kept playing through college at Stanford, and he always wanted to go to Stanford, so I tell him, look, I'm proud of you, what you accomplished right now, now he's a financial advisor for his brothers. So, it's all working out, actually, so that's what I tell them to. Like, Equinem's, keep your head up, keep your knife sharp, don't quit, because you never know when your number's calling, they're gonna say, this is our guy.

• 42:33Ryan Clark?

  When you set out on this journey, did you ever, in your mind, think, what if it doesn't work out?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Hell, no. Never thought of that.

• 42:45Ryan Clark?

  No plan B?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  No. B, what's that? Busted. B? A guy told me, you know the story about the guy who burned the ship? While I was in college, a guy told me this story, he goes, these guys want to take over this island, so these pirates, and they went to the island, and the guy goes, look, we have a hundred men, they have a thousand. Well, I think we can take them. So, if we fight hard, we can be victorious. So, they got to the shore, they looked back, and the guy burnt the boat. And he goes, Captain, the boat is on fire. He goes, well, why'd you do that? He said, well, now we gotta win. Now, we ain't got no choice. Got no choice. So, I take choice away. Just like a sidebar, what I don't understand, I told my sons, maybe in team sports, it's a little different, but I don't understand when I see athletes

• 43:30Speaker 02

  win, when I won the Mr. Universe Contest, I wasn't happy. How are you happy? I expected to win. When I see guys jumping down, I was crying, ah, fuck, ah. What the hell, did they expect to lose? That's weird. They too surprised. To be that surprised, you expected to lose, right or wrong?

• 43:50Ryan Clark?

  Sometimes it's the work you put in, and finally getting to that moment that you dreamed of your whole life.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  I did the work, I expected to win, I was pissed.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  I was more pissed than happy. Because I wanted to frickin' destroy everybody. You gotta be an animal. You understand? And then they grabbed a basketball. But I don't see tears. What is that? Is that like a joke or something? I'm surprised I'm the only human being on the planet Earth that sees that and acknowledges that and says something about it. No one else says it. So it must be from planet blowtard. There must be a parallel universe. And I'm zapped over and no one knows I'm here.

• 44:30Ryan Clark?

  You're definitely from a different place.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  What's going on with the play?

• 44:32Ryan Clark?

  Okay, so I think Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player I ever seen play. I said, "I seen play." You've been around a little longer. You may think somebody else, even now.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  He'll be.

• 44:44Ryan Clark?

  He's not the greatest.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  He will be.

• 44:47Ryan Clark?

  Maybe, just generationally talented. But Michael Jordan, I think it was in winning his third championship after his father passed. Like, he was at a really emotional moment. He was on the ground crying with the basketball. And at the time of his life, I'm sure he expected to win. I'm sure he knew the work he'd put in. I'm sure when he got to the championship and the finals, who never went to game seven. When you see emotion like that.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  That's a little different.

• 45:14Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  And that's why I say with team sports, because you're playing football. You one guy, you got 10 other fools, and they gotta do their thing. What if they... You go, "Man, I don't know if they're gonna do their job." So you could be like, "Oh, you happy when you see, 'Oh, they did it.'" "Oh, my God." I understand that, you know? Then it makes sense, team sports. But individual sports, it don't make sense. Come on, man.

• 45:36Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy.

• 45:38Ryan Clark?

  You can't cry if you win the 100.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  No, you can't cry if you win 100, come on.

• 45:43Channing Crowder?

  Because these other fools did their job. Oh, Jesus, thank Lord. He blocked him, Jesus.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  It makes sense, all right?

• 45:51Ryan Clark?

  Go ahead, Freddie, to you guys.

• 45:52Fred Taylor?

  I think you're amazing, man. And hopefully, a lot of parents will learn a lot from this. But I do want to ask you one question before our biggest question. How would you think each of your sons would describe you when it's all said and done? Not as a trainer, but as a father?

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Man, I don't know. Equanimous would probably say my dad was. I know Ammar always say that I was always there supporting him. I think Equanimous would say the same. They always probably say my dad was always there supporting us, giving us what we need. You know, helping us out, educating us, because I would stop the car. If I thought of something, pull over, turn on the camera. Frame me up. All right, listen up, boys, and I'll just tell them stuff. Because I thought of something. I would get off the freeway and just start talking to them. So he always put a lot of information, gave us a lot of information, as much as he could, to make them turn into good men, you know what I mean? I wanted to be productive, good men in the world.

• 46:46Fred Taylor?

  Okay. And the other question is your biggest pivot. We always ask our guests. The biggest pivot in life, that's that one moment you can look back on and say, because this happened to me or for me, I am who I am today.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  I'm gonna give you two. When I was in the fourth grade, elementary school, Emerson Elementary School, at that water fountain, when I decided to believe in myself. Second one, I'm at Cal State Fullerton. I'm a senior. I get a call. You want to come to the Mr. World Competition in Paris? I go, wow. I got an invitation. But I'm a senior, you know, you hear about school, you should go to school, get your education. I'm like, oh, man, jeez. So I'm walking around the school in circles, talking to as many people as I could. What should I do? Should I leave, you know, go after my dream? Or should I stay here and finish school? I left. That was the best thing I ever done.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Because when I went to Europe, there were, my kids are born there, my business thrived. Everything's changed when I got on that airplane. So that was the biggest pivot I would say that I had. But also, I want people watching this here to understand. I want more moms and dads to pivot and start.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Believe in themselves. Believe in yourself and believe in your kids. I know you new parents out there who's never really went to the mountaintop in any athletic endeavor in life. It's difficult to look at your little Johnny, little Mary, and think they can be world champions, but you got to believe it. And if you don't believe it, follow me. I'm gonna write a book too, so. You know, I'm working on that. I'm going back to school to learn how to master AI. On February 10, I went back to the university. Because I'm trying to figure this thing out. All this stuff I have, I want to give out in a book. If anybody out there knows how to write an AI book, give me a call, or DM me or something.

• 48:37Ryan Clark?

  My last question would be this. There's so many parents that don't want to drive their kids or be on their kids because they're thinking about, like you said, little Johnny or little Mary and the conversation they're having with their siblings about dads doing too much. What do you say to people who don't want to push their kids too hard because they want to make sure their kids are their friends at some point?

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Dangerous.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  I gotta think about it. I gotta be careful how I say this. It's very dangerous what you're doing because I'm from Compton. Where I came from, you didn't drink with your daddy when you were 15, 16 years old with your mama in the house. You didn't smoke weed with your mama, not in my neighborhood. When I came to Orange County, man, these white folks are doing all too much. Drinking, as long as they in the house, they can drink. That's a gateway to other drugs. You gotta be careful trying to be their friend. You can't be their friend. There's a difference. Now, I'm a dad. I wore, I had two hats. One was coach, one was dad. When it's time to work, I put my coach hat on. I take that coach hat off, they know when I have the dad hat on.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  But you got to make sure you're not trying to be their friend. It's okay to be their mom and their dad, but drinking, marijuana with your kids, that's not, that's not, it's a gateway to other things. It's gonna mess things up. At the end of the day, here's what I got to say. Just do what I goddamn tell you. You know? And it'll work out. Just do what I tell you. You understand? So follow me on Instagram, or DM me, and I'll try to answer your questions. But it's not difficult. Come on, quit being stupid.

• 50:18Channing Crowder?

  And I've got one more in my John Brown University.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 50:23Ryan Clark?

  Because I'm trying to, I'm trying to.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  This is my man right here, 50 grand.

• 50:27Ryan Clark?

  Oh, he love you.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  I love you. Do you regret anything that you did with your sons? Yeah, that's a good question, dawg. I ain't gonna say who. But someone, I made a mistake. Someone told my son, when I wasn't there in high school, his foot was hurt. The doctor is okay, then let the doctor give him a shot of, um...

• 50:51Ryan Clark?

  Tore it all off.

• 50:52Channing Crowder?

  Corz- cortisone?

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Cortisone, I think, or something, something like that. I should have told my son, "Look, stop, line up." I used to make him line up like soldiers. Line up, okay, listen to me. Don't ever go to a doctor or hospital without my consent. Let a doctor do anything. That's how Cyrus' foot got messed up.

• 51:12Ryan Clark?

  Hmm, hmm.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Because he shot that in and ate all the fat up underneath his foot. So it's set some way his bone was hitting the ground as he ran.

• 51:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  I didn't tell him, I didn't warn him. Had I warned him, that would have never happened. That's one regret, I'm like, "Oh." Because my goal was to have three of these dogs in this league tearing it up.

• 51:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Man, I just was, it was basically everything I thought it was gonna be. You know, I remember, like I said, I tell people all the time, it's at the opening, "I'mma rise uncoverable." I mean, at the time, Asante Samuel was there, Pat Surtain II. It was real big time players. And you were just walking up and down the sideline, speaking a language I couldn't understand. But whatever you were saying, I knew it must have been some good stuff because they couldn't stop it. Man, we appreciate your time, man, thank you so much.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  I gotta call my wife, "Hey, hey, we got some stuff to talk about."

• 52:03Ryan Clark?

  Stay fit for that with us.

• 52:06Speaker 02

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• 52:08Ryan Clark?

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