Fani Willis DISQUALIFIED, President Elon Musk, Luigi Mangione Indicted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 523

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the media's attempt to drive a wedge between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, Luigi Mangione getting indicted for the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Fani Willis getting disqualified from the Trump election interference case, and John Ferguson joins the show to talk about the mysterious New Jersey drones. Follow John Ferguson on X: https://bit.ly/41BB5t8Support John Ferguson's company, Saxon Unmanned: https://bit.ly/3ZNbPO9 🎄 VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4gk4yff⁠ https://bit.ly/4gk4yff 💳 VT MERCH GIFTCARDS: ⁠https://bit.ly/3P28SnM⁠ https://bit.ly/3P28SnM🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: ⁠https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM⁠ https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: ⁠https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 1:25Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, guys, we're a couple of days away from Santa Claus coming to town. Hopefully you're getting ready for it, you know, buying the gifts. If you forgot, like some of the family members, the bigger the family you have, the more people you have to remember to get gifts for, right? So that's the challenge in part, but there's a lot of stuff going on. We're gonna have somebody that's gonna call in here today, maybe at the end of the podcast today, we'll show you the new intro and get some feedback from you guys on the comment section on what you think about the new intro for PBD Podcast for 2025. And we will, Tom, you're trying to say something, go ahead. No. No, I know you want to say something. Tom, say it. Can I make those Christmas sounds?

• 2:01Speaker 03

  I'm gonna say something very controversial. Let's stop picking on Tom, guys. Let's direct all the hate. Whoa, boys.

• 2:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Shut up, princess.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  Towards me.

• 2:10Speaker 04

  Adam's back to drinking.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  I'll carry the load. Tom's a nice...

• 2:16Speaker 04

  Well, listen.

• 2:16Speaker 03

  Carry one, then take one. See, I'm trying to help Tom.

• 2:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, guys, episode 523. Lots of stories to cover. Quick shout out to Kelly, who was here.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  Look at this.

• 2:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at this.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  She wrapped the PBD.

• 2:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Wherever you are, Kelly, you're amazing. We love you. Phenomenal job. She's always good at doing these things of going above and beyond. Great job on this thing. I appreciate you.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  And a couple of days ago, the flu was kicking her butt, and she's back.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  Oh, no, she's throwing up right now, but she... This is the mission.

• 2:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way...

• 2:46Speaker 03

  She's yakking in a garbage. Kelly's killing it.

• 2:48Patrick Bet-David?

  For some of you that are watching yesterday's Oliver Stone podcast, and you're like, "The sound sucks, Rob sucks, everybody..."

• 2:56Speaker 03

  I unfollow, unfollow.

• 2:58Patrick Bet-David?

  "This is amazing." And then I'm like, "Guys, this place was in the middle of a hurricane storm, whatever you want to call it." The entire outside... Maybe I should show you, because we had something going on here, okay? Rob, do you have a video showing what the outside looked like?

• 3:14Speaker 03

  I think Kelly might have a video of the rain.

• 3:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Here, Rob, I'll send you what happened two hours later, just yesterday in the podcast. A car was underwater. Is that it, Rob? Okay, right there.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, guys, look at that, yeah.

• 3:25Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that's that. We don't have a lake here.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  That's... That's where we're shooting the plane.

• 3:28Patrick Bet-David?

  That's us in that building. Right, and that...

• 3:30Speaker 03

  That's our parking lot.

• 3:31Patrick Bet-David?

  That's our parking lot. While we're doing a podcast, we're getting hit by this. But anyways, it was fun. A lot of good conversation with Oliver and Sean Stone. It was great. But let's get into some of the stories here that we have. So a couple of months ago, I predicted, and I said, "Guys, I don't know why, now that if Trump wins..." This is like the last week of October, first week of November. I said if he wins, they're going to say the new president of the United States is President Elon Musk. And they're gonna call him a puppet master and they're gonna do in a cover of a magazine all over the place and everyone's gonna talk. Just this week, we're gonna show you a clip of how many different people are saying that. The likes of Adam Kinzinger, Bernie Sanders just yesterday.

• 4:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You're going to hear them do this just to create a wedge between the two of them. The question is, will it work? Next, billionaire Reid Hoffman. He says the odds of Trump's retaliation is greater than 50%. Trump is willing to pardon New York Mayor Adams, he's considering it. He's also considering raising minimum wage. MSNBC Stephanie Ruhl, I really want to talk about this story. Says Trump is more accessible than Biden, but jokes, he told her to go F herself, okay? About doing the interview, but at least he picked up and it's a very good story while he's saying, while she's telling the story. United Healthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione indicted in New York. And while this is going on, Trump comments on it, I kinda like what he said.

• 4:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Luigi Mangione at the same time has a defense fund that surpassed $100,000. And their stunning poll finds that more young Americans think CEO assassination was acceptable than those who don't. And apparently Hollywood is right now working on two documentaries on that. Musk ready to bankroll Farage, Musk is facing conflict with Doge and Elizabeth Warren said some stuff, we'll give you some thoughts on that. Apparently Musk was worth 400 billion last week. He just got to half a billion, at this pace, he's gonna get to a trillion in no time. 14 detained in armed Aurora, Colorado home invasion are likely illegal gang members. We'll talk about that. EPA approves California's plan to ban gas-only cars starting in 2035.

• 5:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Brilliant, I mean just a smart move by Newsom, obviously being sarcastic here. Biden calls for ban on congressional stock trading, calling out Nancy Pelosi. And apparently he didn't even call Nancy Pelosi to see how she was doing after the surgery or the injury that she had. So we'll talk about that a little bit. AOC. Got some love from Trump, but not from her party. So her party didn't give her love, but Trump did. And I, you know, I suggested, I had AOC yesterday on Twitter, I said, maybe it's time for a trip to Mar-a-Lago. Maybe you gotta, you know, take a trip and come visit the guy, who knows. Oberman, losing his mind still, wrote an article. By the way, we're gonna play a game today with Oberman. We did it with Dear Abby a month ago. We're gonna have some fun with him today.

• 6:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah. Warm up your fingers. We're gonna have some fun with, because I sincerely think he, he needs some attention. Okay? He definitely does. And, and we're gonna have some fun with the guy today. God willing, it'll be something everybody will participate in. Um, classified mystery drone briefing. Lady asked a question, you have to see this clip. She says, hey, if the drone is nothing, why is the hearing classified and not free to the public? What are you guys hiding? And we have John Ferguson that's gonna join us any moment now. And he is the founder and chairman of Saxon Aerospace. He'll be with us here in a minute. While I'm going through this, I'll do what I'm doing here, then I'll bring up, because it'll be the first story. He's a former vet, bunch of things.

• 7:07Patrick Bet-David?

  He's been to 80 different countries, advised different leaders, including Sudan's president and sovereign council. We'll get to that here in a minute, stay tuned. But we want to find out what he thinks. He thinks it's something else, but we'll see. Pornhub, set to block all Floridians from accessing their site on January 1st. I don't know why we got a PTO request to RJ yesterday from Adam for January 1st. And so, we haven't granted it yet, but we're considering it. We got a lot of things. I know you got a lot on your mind, we'll figure that part out. Starbucks workers' union authorizes potential US strike. Zuckerberg met asides with rival Elon Musk in fight to stop AI from becoming for profit. Some Walmart employees are right now wearing body cameras. Vatican, ready for this one?

• 7:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You know Vatican, you hear the stats, Tom was sharing it yesterday with us. That the Catholic Church owns the most real estate worldwide, but they're on the brink of bankruptcy. Uh oh. Due to dramatic decline in donations. Maybe they gotta watch Godfather 3, I don't know. Russia says develop a cancer vaccine and will give it for free. Great noble idea of cancer vaccine. I don't know if I would take it to year one, year two, year three, but maybe we would entertain it later on after a bunch of people tested it. Dow had a rough day yesterday, 1100 point drop, marking its longest losing streak since 1974 is what we're talking about. Jerome Powell came out and cut the rate, you know, Tom will give you some thoughts on it.

• 8:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Mortgage rates jump abruptly higher after the rate cut. How the hell does that even make any sense, right? Trump's got a new haircut, some people are deeply concerned about the new haircut. We'll address it, I think it's a, it's an edgy haircut. I love it. I like it's an edgy haircut. And then we got a few other stories we'll cover, Bernie Sanders, AOC, CNN, hidden prisoner that is, I haven't seen this clip, but Vinnie's telling me when I see it, I will react to it in a very unique way. By the way, Christmas around the corner, we are wearing this sweater that is the most incredibly comfortable sweater, it hugs you. I love it. I dare you to order one and two for your family and wear it and say, I don't like it, okay? I dare you to do it.

• 9:18Patrick Bet-David?

  On the back, if you're proud to say Merry Christmas, this one says Merry Christmas, if the camera can zoom in on Tom, Vinnie, or Adam. Adam says Happy Hanukkah, but we're mainly gonna focus on Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Special order. It crosses out Happy Holidays, Rob, if you can put the picture up there so people can see it. It says Happy Hanukkah. Instead it says Merry Christmas, it's, it's out there, and then we have a couple of the Merry Christmas hats that are left, if you can go back to the Merry Christmas hat, Rob, that we have left at the top, those two are still here with scripture in it for some of you guys that want that. And then we have the pajamas, we have a bunch of your Future Looks Bright pajamas, Future Looks Bright shirts, and these pants are here matching the sweater that I'm wearing, that's

• 10:00Patrick Bet-David?

  got the value tainment logo, Future Looks Bright on the side, and the Future Looks Pride, what do you call this stuff?

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Taking those.

• 10:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, what is this thing called?

• 10:08Speaker 03

  The tassels, tassel, the waistband tighteners. I don't even know the real names.

• 10:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But they're here as well.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  These are the softest sweaters I've ever felt in my life. I swear to God. I don't wear sweaters in Miami. This is ridiculous.

• 10:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go, go place the order today. And the way you get it pre-Christmas is to put shipping that it shipped out today. You do that, today is the last day to get it, first 50. A unique Future Looks Bright mug coming your way. By the way, Rob, did you get the picture I sent you with the Santa Claus? That was wearing the Merry Christmas hat? Guys, you have to see this. This is, uh, by the way, when you get the gear, post the picture. We're sharing the pictures online as well on the podcast. Post the picture when you wear the gear. It was in the comment section, Rob, that I send it to you.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  If you have it, I can send it to you as well. It's, it's, it's phenomenal. Here's, by the way, for some of you guys that still don't believe in Santa Claus and you've grown up and you, you, you, you call this thing called logic and common sense? He's real. I don't know if you guys know this or not.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Santa.

• 11:05Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Santa. Look at this. Look at the hat he's wearing.

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Oh, snap.

• 11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the hat he's wearing.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  That's my boy.

• 11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, while he's doing a live somewhere with thousands of people watching.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  We even shipped to North Pole, folks. This is incredible. This is phenomenal, Rob. That's Santa. By the way, that hat is gone. So that one you can't order because that we sold thousands of. That sold out in no time. Everything else, place your orders. If you're proud and comfortable, say Merry Christmas. And sporting them when you go to the mall, anywhere during this season. Go to VTmerch.com, place your order. Having said that, let's go to the drone that everybody's asking about what it is. Michael B is up there saying, well, I wanted to find out if it was okay for me to get clearance to take my drone up. He tries to take it up. Nope, he's declined. He's, he can't do that. There's a bunch of other people talking about what the possibilities would be. And then here, while they're having a hearing for the drones,

• 11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  a journalist asks a question. And this is what the response was. Go ahead, Rob.

• 12:02Speaker 00

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• 12:33Speaker 01

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• 13:03Speaker 05

  To be a classified briefing if these are just hobbyist drones, they're not military drones.

• 13:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Go all the way to the beginning. Go for it.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  Why does it have to be a classified briefing if these are just hobbyist drones, they're not military drones? Why is it a classified briefing on the Capitol Hill?

• 13:18Speaker 03

  I don't, I'd have to refer you to Congress on that. Again, you know, sharing as much information as we can here. I don't have the briefing in front of me, so I can't tell you specifically, you know, what aspects are classified or not. I can assure you though, that again, we are sharing as much information as we can, based on what we know.

• 13:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then the question becomes, do you believe any of it? No. Biden's being asked the question, I don't know if you have that clip or not, Rob, if there's a clip of President Biden being asked what it is. And, you know, you have to listen, guys. So whatever you do, try to listen as closely as possible and raise the audio a little bit. He is next to a plane or a helicopter, so it's a little choppy, literally, but try to see if you can hear what he's saying. Go ahead, Rob.

• 14:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So look, if you're somebody that's naive and innocent, then you believe everything the government tells you, which is what you're supposed to do that, right? Your teacher tells you that in high school, you know, the government is all good and they do everything but good. Some people want to question it. They're part of this annoying community called, "I have questions." "I have some curiosity. Is it real? What's going on?" Here's John Ferguson. Before I bring him up, I want to properly introduce him. He's a highly accomplished professional with over 25 years of experience spanning aerospace, telecommunications, critical infrastructure, and unmanned systems. And as the founder-chairman of Saxon Aerospace, based in Kansas, he's developed innovative technologies like unmanned aerial vehicles and other things.

• 15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Former vet marine, he did recon operations during Desert Storm, followed by deep sea diving, and additionally spanning global work to 80-plus countries, working on fiber optic cables and many other things. So he's got a different perspective that he's given here. John, first of all, thank you for your service and thank you for joining us.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  Thank you. It's an absolute honor to be here with you, gentlemen. I love your show. This is fantastic. So thank you.

• 15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime. Well, listen, when Joe tweets out your video and he says, "This is the realest guy." This is the first thing that I see that I actually believe. And then all of a sudden, hundreds of millions of views, everybody's watching your answer. If you don't mind, maybe take you a minute for somebody the audience hasn't seen, give your idea of what you said in the video, and maybe we'll have some follow-up questions.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Well, thank you. You know, I stand by everything that I say or that I had said on that video. You know, I was just doing the math. You know, I've sat in my office and I've been monitoring this whole drone issue. And I've heard some, you know, amazing theories on this drone phenomenon. And then I'm hearing our elected officials saying that... That this is Iran coming from a mothership, coming out of the ocean. This is Chinese operatives flying Chinese drones. And I just, I just thought, oh, my God. Like if, if our foreign policy isn't screwed up enough right now, the last thing we need to do is go pissing off, you know, two of our largest adversaries.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  So I just thought, why don't I just do a technical breakdown of how drones operate? So people in the world could just understand a little bit more about how drones operate. So they can start to make their own assessment and not take my word for it as to what is out there. But really just do your own assessment on, on the drones with the knowledge that I have given you. Right? So, um, again, my belief and this, and I can't get too deep into the details, but, but what I said about them potentially, you know, looking for some type of, um, you know,

• 17:26Speaker 04

  radioactive material or gas leak or something along those lines. I, I stand by that. I stand by that firmly.

• 17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  How many did you say were missing? Did you say a couple? Warhead, like nuclear warheads from Ukraine? Warheads were missing?

• 17:42Speaker 04

  And so everybody tends to get this wrong from based, based on what I said. And I just emailed you guys some, I emailed your, your producer, Tony, some documents that shows

• 17:55Speaker 04

  the claims that I'm saying, but back in the eighties, when Reagan was dismantling the nuclear arms program, there were a hundred and thirty-two nuclear warheads that came up missing. They have since recovered several of them. There are a few out there. And, you know, everyone that knows me, I have a, a large footprint around the world. I have a very huge network and I do have a small political footprint, meaning I do communicate with some.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Elected officials and I don't want to overplay that. But this gentleman that I was referring to in the video, it has nothing to do with a shipping container with medical supplies, right? Absolutely not. That's not, that's two totally separate deals. But this gentleman was in the very same room with that particular warhead, and I can't give out any more details, but he saw it. It was there. It was then, it was right in front of him, right? So he came back and he was trying to raise awareness to the United States and he really didn't get any response from our, you know, our, our elected officials. And this has been a multi-year investigation.

• 19:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the level of credibility of this individual? We don't need names.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so by the way, is this somebody we would know or we wouldn't know?

• 19:20Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, but this is somebody that the people that are in that space have a very high level of respect for that when he says something, they listen.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  He communicates with leaders in Europe.

• 19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He communicates with leaders in Europe. Got it.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  And you don't, you don't communicate with leaders in Europe if you're not credible.

• 19:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And he shared with you that he saw what it was. So are you speculating that they're looking for something that may be out there in the greater Jersey and New York area?

• 19:47Speaker 04

  Well, I, I will, I will answer that question very directly. But this gentleman came back to me and he's like, look, I know you have a large network and I know you have some, you know, contacts of elected officials, you know, can you help me raise awareness? And I said, sure. I made some phone calls and I didn't, I didn't get anywhere either, right? So his, his concern was that that was coming over here to the United States, right?

• 20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  So when I see these drones flying at night, you know, as I had stated in the video, there's really no reason for a drone to be flying at night because you can't see anything with a standard camera, right?

• 20:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Now, we do have great thermal optics and you can see very well at night, but your resolution just isn't going to be the same. So.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  If you're going to try to detect some form of substance on the ground, it would be better to do it at night. Uh, just simply because the winds aren't as aggressive and you are measuring parts per million. Right? So, so that's what I was just doing the math. I was just showing people that I don't know what they're looking for. I don't know if they're looking for a radioactive material. I said that in the video.

• 21:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  What I'm saying is that what they're looking for has to be pretty damned important. Because if you look at the cost of the hysteria and the financial cost of operating these unmanned systems versus the cost of something that could happen. You know, what could happen could outweigh the cost of hysteria. And these are decisions that our federal government had to make.

• 21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So John, let me ask you this. So while you go and your video all of a sudden pops, when that happens, you're gonna be swamped with emails, text messages, people who know you and say, hey, John, oh my God, I saw this. But you're also gonna get a few weird phone calls, right? You're gonna get a few weird text messages and people that are gonna say, John, that's actually not what it is. It's actually this, it's actually that. Did you get any credible phone calls from credible people that disagreed with you and said, John, what's actually going on is this, I know what's going on and it's X, Y, Z because I got a friend there. Did you get any calls from people that disagreed with you and said, you're wrong, that's not what it is?

• 22:03Speaker 04

  You know, I did not get any phone calls. I've had messages, of course, you know, when, you know, I'm just a small drone company. And now all of a sudden I'm in the face, I guess, of this New Jersey drone phenomenon, right? So, you know, uh, I, I think the, the United States, I think the world was just looking for some type of really uh, educated assessment of what's happening. But, you know, after I did that and it went viral, you know, I communicated with law enforcement to just say, hey, look, this is what I did. And they're like, yeah, you know, you're good. You just, uh, you just said what your opinion was and your theory and, and all's well, right? But, you know, there are a lot of people out there who are just not nice.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  And, you know, that's the devolution of humanity is the fact that you can't disagree with somebody and be nice about it, right? Uh, but no, I haven't had any phone calls, but yes, there are a lot of videos out there.

• 22:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're everywhere, you're literally everywhere. Tom, did you have a question for John?

• 23:02Speaker 03

  Yep. Well, John, thank you for giving an opinion. Thank you for synthesizing your thoughts as an informed person, especially on drone technology. I want to ask you something that maybe you have some visibility to. So I did a bunch of reading and the old warheads, even the ones that aren't found, the ones that are plutonium-based, which was most of them, apparently that requires a lot of maintenance. Like, you have to maintain. So when we hear billions of dollars of government to maintain the nuclear arsenal, my understanding is like every eight to 12 years with an average of like nine to 11, you know, the warhead has to be serviced because the plutonium that's highly processed to get the full

• 23:41Speaker 03

  nuclear yield out of the bomb, it has to be maintained and even the fuel load has to be replaced. And it was that Ukraine, like Janes, you know, Janes on the Defense Experts, Janes Publications, even they talked about that, that apparently Ukraine didn't have the technology to take care of all these. And so during the disarmament of the, you know, previous generation of nukes, that was the frontier nukes that Russia was putting out there, not their first technology, but their second, was, these things were out there and kind of deplete so that any of them that is missing and escaped is basically

• 24:22Speaker 03

  dirty bomb grade at this time. That it's not like big nuke Hiroshima-type stuff capability, that in the hands of a bad actor, it would be a massive contamination dirty bomb. Do you have an opinion on that? Because I've read a bunch of stuff in the last 24 hours. A lot of it seemed very credible.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, you know, one thing that I would like to say is that I am under no circumstance, any type of a nuclear expert. You know, I'll tell you guys a really quick story. I used to pilot submersible vehicles and I did a job several years ago where we were putting wind farms in off the coast of Germany and all of these old WWII munitions kept exploding. And so we would take our submersibles and we would fly down to the bomb sitting on the bottom of the ocean. Ocean and plant a charge next to it and blow up the munitions and it made a hell of a explosion when we detonated those so they even since the 1940s those things still had some punch to them so

• 25:26Speaker 04

  again not being a nuclear expert uh I would still say I would say that yeah it would be my summation that they they would have some type of a radioactive or dirty bomb you know level uh impact on the United States but who would want to take that chance right? So but yeah, I would agree and and I have heard that you know the triggers only last for so long and and all this other stuff and and you know the ones that are actually missing we don't know who has them. Nobody in the world knows who has them. So we don't know if they have the technology to service them or not.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Uh hey John Vincent O'Shaughnessy here. I want to say first, thank you for your service. I'm myself. I'm an Air Force veteran. Worked at a nuclear missile base, kind of random and Mounts from Air Force Base. Um I I could I could understand uh John how you know the military, I mean the government just they constantly lie. Let's just be honest with each other. I can understand the not telling us because of the the the panic that it would cause, but you know if you had to guess, John, who would be behind bringing this thing to the United States? It's obviously for nefarious reasons, like some people believe you know came to the border, open border from Mayorkas and Biden and all that stuff, but what? What what would you think like who who would be wanting to do that and who would want to bring it here and then them being so secretive about it?

• 26:43Speaker 04

  I think if I answered that question, I'd be dead by tomorrow morning.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Oh wow. Why why do you say that, John?

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Uh because I'm sure that if I were right, they wouldn't appreciate it. You know, and I'm saying that jokingly, but um you know there are some bad actors out there that that we know that would that would want to um to to bring this thing to the US. Abs- absolutely. We we know. The organizations, and I'm not saying we, as in me, I'm saying the United States government knows who those bad actors are. I do not. You know, but, but I do know that the scare, the, this guy called me up, he almost was crying, saying, why the hell are, are these people not listening to me? Can you please help me? And I felt compelled to help this gentleman.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  So I, I've kept my knowledge of this at a very high level because I don't want to do anything that's going to break any national security uh, protocol out there at all.

• 27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, i- i- i- if you had to give a percentage of two questions, one, the government knowing what it is, that's one, and two, it being us and nobody else, what percentage would you say the government knows? Eighty percent they know, or two? Eighty percent, it's us, the US uh, uh, government, it's not anybody else on the outside. And when I say US government, I don't mean our military, it could be CIA, it could be, you know, could be whatever that's us, that's here. Where would you put those two?

• 28:11Speaker 04

  And you're referring to us as in the United States government bringing these assets to the United States?

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, one, i- are the drones operators ours or a foreign country entity that's using them?

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Okay, it seems like that's a two-part question. My, my thought are, um, the United States being responsible for bringing that here, I would say that's, that's a pretty good chance. Uh, I, I, I'm sorry, I, I just don't want to put a number on it. Um, but, and as far as the, um, the drone operators, i- i- I mean, think about this, guys, think about this. Under what reality is there? Is there a place where the United States government would allow foreign adversarial operatives to fly unmanned aircraft inside the continental United States?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  You know, I, I, I got into a, a small disagreement with a, a gentleman on, um, Newsmax a couple of days ago, where he had stated that there were Chinese operatives flying these. And then I've heard the Iranians are operating, you know, the Chinese and the Iranians are sitting back going, who the hell are you guys? Why you? Why are you saying we're doing this, right? But the, i- it's just, it's just not gonna happen. That's like, that would be like we invading the, the beaches on D-Day and the Germans just saying, hey, come on in.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  No, no exchanges or nothing. That's what this is. That's what they're saying. They're saying that they're allowing an invasion in the United States. I mean, show me a redneck anywhere in the United States that would allow a foreign operative to fly an unmanned aircraft that's an adversary. It ain't gonna happen, right? So, under no circumstance do I believe that these are foreign operatives flying unmanned aircraft. I stick by what I said. I'm telling you that I believe 100% that our administration knows about it. They're involved and they just don't want to tell you because if you think about the cost of hysteria that it's causing.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  You know, that doesn't outweigh the cost of what would happen if something potentially catastrophic were to happen, right? You, you gotta think about that, right? So, and, and then what, what administration in any country around the world would say, well, you know, hey, guys, you know, there were some nuclear or, you know, warheads missing back in the eighties. We think one's on its way here, so we're gonna look for them with these drones, but don't worry about the drones. It's not a big deal. Just, just look the other way. Yeah, exactly. Say that. And so when they come out and tell the American people, they tell the world what these drones are doing. I'm gonna bet that they're not gonna be telling you the truth. It's gonna sound good.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  And American people, you know, we're resilient. We're, we're, we're gonna go,

• 31:07Speaker 04

  that's what they were used for. Oh, okay. And then we're gonna carry on, right? But it's just not, it, it's not gonna be, be the truth. It can't be the truth because if they, if this is an operation to find a catastrophic asset, we will never know as the American people, but that's where I disagree with our legislators. You know, we elected these.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  People and you know, uh, they are supposed to answer to us. And so when we, the American people ask questions, they need to tell us the truth.

• 31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, the fact that it's taken this long, it's, it's, it's mind boggling that it's taken since November 18th to have known, give or take. That's the date that, uh, started being reported on it. By the way, just, just, you, you, Chase Hughes, a couple of the guys are talking about this could be a psy op. This could be a way of distracting everybody to be talking about something like this because there's nothing there. And they're just kind of saying, hey, hey, hey, keep talking about this, keep talking about this. While we gotta get this big spending bill through, while we gotta get, you know, make Trump stuff a little bit more difficult. While we gotta pin Trump against Musk, while we gotta do this. How much of it could also be just a psy op to throw everybody off while they're doing something even more nefarious behind closed doors?

• 32:23Speaker 04

  100%.

• 32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, now you're saying percentages. I got you to say percentages.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll go on record saying that.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  You don't want to give yourself an out, maybe 99.9%. No, stay there, John.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm rock solid. I'm right there.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  This guy ain't wavering right there.

• 32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm with it. Well, John, uh, appreciate you for your time to get in on here with us. Uh, I'm glad now we're in contact with each other because, uh, you know, I don't know if, cause the way you said it, I thought maybe it, it, it sounds like you specialize in rednecks using drones. That's, that's got, you know.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  Hell yeah, America, buddy.

• 32:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But you said 80 plus countries, so you, there, there's not a lot of rednecks in, you know, some of these other places you're talking about.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  Rednecks and grease.

• 33:06Patrick Bet-David?

  We look forward to staying in contact with you and having you back on because I don't think the drone situation is going away anytime soon. I think we'll be dealing with that for many, many years to come. Again, appreciate your time. God bless. Merry Christmas. Thank you for your service.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  Merry Christmas and thank you to all your listeners. Thank you so much.

• 33:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Take care, take care. All right. So interesting. What do you think about what John just said?

• 33:26Speaker 03

  So there's, there's a few things. So I go, let's go through. Really, really fast.

• 33:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Go.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  If it's the US government testing defense stuff every now and then, people see it and you don't know what you see it. And then it kind of goes away like Edwards Air Force Base. I'm telling you, it's a true story about all the weird planes people would see in the sky reported UFOs. Test is over and they go back to their, to their, their hangar. Okay, number one, is it a test? Number two, are they really looking for something? And they're really, and this is our government using drones that we have to go out and look for something exactly he's talking about. Number three, it's a Chinese weather balloon on steroids.

• 34:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  But we're not doing anything about it and we're trying to talk to them about it and we're not getting anywhere. But they don't want to panic because if they, so there's never been a shot fired. Just remember the Chinese weather balloon, if you think about it, Pat, that was, I was reading the first shot fired in anger at a foreign adversary over the 48 US in modern history. This goes, you know, because remember the British sailed up and burned down the White House once, but this is modern times, right? So if you're shooting things down over the East Coast, you're basically admitting to the American people that a foreign adversary can get across the two biggest natural barriers that any country in the world has.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  The Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean. You think about that, right? And so second is if it's really a foreign actor and they're trying to negotiate and they're trying to figure this out and they don't want to shoot it down because you're basically having like hot, hot, hot engagement over New York and New Jersey. That's going to make people a little bit squishy, right? So that's the third choice. So I think military test, you know, why would you go this long and risk this hysteria? I agree with this guy. Then you've got, we're doing it because we're trying to figure something out. We just don't want to talk about it. And then third, it is a foreign adversary. It's a Chinese spy balloon on steroids and we don't want to get in a hot conduct, shooting down mosquitoes over the eastern seaboard.

• 35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but, but Tommy, but it comes back to, do you trust them? Like I, with all the facts that I know, we talk about 100%, 80%.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Do I trust the government?

• 35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, in my, like, you ever get this, the vibe of, of people?

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Well, we're down at 17%, right?

• 35:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, thank you. I don't trust anything that they're saying, the government, but by the way, I had secret clearance and then. Military, these guys, they're not stupid. The stuff that they know the Pentagon doesn't know and they won't answer, Tom. That's where we lose as people trust. And then going back, it's like, so what's the deal? Is there, if, if there's something on this soil, Tom, that they, and I always go back to Alejandro Mayorkas. They left an open border, which is a turnstile for all negative stuff. Fentanyl, oh, there's 500,000 kids missing. And then you have, you know, the illegal votes. And now you have whoops, there's a, there's a potential nuke, Tom. And I feel, this is Vincent O'Shaughnessy's feeling, that anything to disrupt, uh, disrupt, uh, disrupt what Trump is coming in to do with anything.

• 36:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause if they all of a sudden go, hey, guys, you know what? There's a leak of a plutonium, something because it, it came in and now everything else flips up. Cause Tom, once that happens, it's over. There's no coming back from a, a tactical nuke going off. God forbid, okay? God forbid, something like that, or a, a leak of that type of material in the United States. It's over.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Well, there's, there's a lot of people that argue that the dirty bomb is more of a problem than a full nuclear payload.

• 36:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And why, why is that?

• 36:57Speaker 03

  Well, because of the way it can contaminate.

• 36:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Everything, the water, the, the.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  By the way, and there's opinions that go back and forth on that. They say, well, it depends on what warhead you're launching. It depends on what you did with it. It depends on where did it, was it an atmospheric, you know, explosion? Or was it a ground explosion, you know? It, was it in water supply?

• 37:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, look, here's the reality of it. We're not gonna know, uh, uh, on what's going on, but the, the more, the biggest thing you need as for someone like me. I just want, in any situation I'm going through, it doesn't matter what it is. Okay, if, if it's a, a war, if it's finances, if it's valuation of a business, if it's a client complaint, if it's a lawsuit, if it's a mistake someone made. I want as many testimonies as possible. I want as many angles as possible. Because once you have this person, that person, this person, that person, this person. Today, a guy sends me a minute and he tells me about his business partners.

• 37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, you know, I mean, his business partners are having a challenge in time. And I gave him a strategy of what to do. But I also said to him, I said, you have to assume, you have to know that. I have to also assume everything you're telling me is right. The fact that your business partners are being nefarious. What if you're the one that's being like that? I'm not hearing their side of the story. But if what you're telling me is true, here's some feedback for you, right? I think we need intel. This is very helpful. By the way, just because we had John on doesn't mean he's 100% right. It doesn't mean it can't be China. It doesn't mean it can't be Iran. It doesn't mean it can't be nothing. It doesn't mean, everything is there. You and I get to choose and say, I think it's 42% here, 22% here. And then at the end of the day, we find out.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Can I ask you a question about? Would you genuinely, would you want to know? And would you think it's smart to tell the public that yes, there is a nuclear weapon that came in through the southern border and it's here? Would you want to wake up the public to maybe keep an eye out? Or do you think it would cause more harm than good?

• 38:48Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, let me.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  I'm curious.

• 38:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but let me give you an idea.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:52Patrick Bet-David?

  On how this works. Okay.

• 38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  If something's going on with our family. And it's a real issue. I think you must have been a diva. You know what I'm talking about? So, you know what I'm saying? And that's why when Tom does that, it drives me insane.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  I hate when he does that.

• 39:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time. Rob, by the way, Rob.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  Rob knows.

• 39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I want to give Rob a shout out to? Rob's been learning Aramaic.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  He knows Aramaic.

• 39:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he listens to Duolingo. Yeah, the Duolingo.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  Tom, all you gotta say is.

• 39:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He's been one of their guys that's been on streaking for a million. Yeah. But, but anyways.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  All you gotta say is machleta.

• 39:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Machleta, machleta.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  By the way, shout out to the, what's the toilet thing that I got in the mail?

• 39:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you got it already?

• 39:36Speaker 03

  The, what is it called again?

• 39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, garshok. Did you get one or no? Did anybody send it to you?

• 39:40Speaker 03

  Of course, the best. I use it every night.

• 39:41Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, so let me tell you, let me go back to the small. When you're going through family stuff that's taking place. There are certain levels of things that you want your kids to know what's going on.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But some of the things, they're not ready. You may be ready for something to know at 18, but you weren't ready at 14 to know about it.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 39:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You may be ready to know at 14, but not at 10. You may be ready at 10, but not at 6. Vice versa, some of the things you have to talk about, right? The only reason the US government doesn't want the public to know if it really is a nuclear warhead or whatever it is, is because the government looks at the American people as kids and they're not. They're adults. I think the more straight up. American people are, the government is with the American people, that trust goes up. The reason like when I had President Trump on the podcast and I'm going to transition to the next stories, but we got a bunch of other things to cover. When I showed him, I said, one of my favorite things you ever did is when you brought Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer into your office, the White House with 50 cameras.

• 40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And you said, I'm willing to shut the government down. Guess what? We're back to shutting the government down again. You said, I'm ready to shut the government down and it was a vlog type. You know what it did? It got us to realize who the a-hole was and who was willing to lean and take responsibility. And you know what? Go ahead and play this clip, Rob. Look how intense it gets. Love it.

• 40:58Speaker 06

  The last time Chuck, you shut it down. No, no, no. And then you opened it up very quickly.

• 41:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty times.

• 41:02Speaker 06

  I don't want to do what you did. Twenty times you have called for, I will shut down the government if I don't get my wool. None of us have said. You want to know something? You said it. Okay, you want to put that on my? You said it. I'll take it.

• 41:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll take it. That's leadership.

• 41:14Speaker 06

  You know what I'll say? Yes, if we don't get what we want.

• 41:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You just saw right there, Schumer's playing politics. Trump is saying, I'll take it. You know what? For a guy like me, I like this. Versus with Biden, what happens? We don't see nothing.

• 41:26Speaker 06

  Zero.

• 41:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Show it to us, right? The trust goes up. Where we're in there with you, okay, I got it. I got it. Does that need to be every single thing you do? No, because the enemy's also watching.

• 41:37Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 41:38Patrick Bet-David?

  But there, I think there's five, 10, 15, 20% of the stuff that you can do for us to see as well to increase the level of trust the American people have in the government. You know what would be one of the biggest accomplishments in Trump? By 2028, go to the trust in the US government, Rob, percentage. If I was Trump's camp and I'm doing a business plan for our, for our team.

• 41:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And we said, hey, guys, go to 2028. What five milestones can we reach to call it a, I have my own list that I would share with the administration, but I'm going to, going to give one of them. If the president and his camp, Musk, Vivek, Tulsi.

• 42:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Patel, Bobby, all of these names, I don't want to miss any one of them, Suzie, every one of these guys, if by 2028, the trust in the US government suddenly goes up to 45%, that may be one of the biggest victories on their top five. Because what the people said is, they're not saying they trust the US government. What they're saying is, we trust today's administration. They're not saying they trust the government, they're saying we trust you today. Not we trust you, period, right? That could be one of the biggest victories, and one of the ways he could do it is by doing an open forum blog style, talking, but we're kind of seeing what's going on. I want to go to the next story, I want to go to the next story, I want to go to the next story. So, next story I want to get into is, uh, United Healthcare CEO murder suspect, Luigi

• 42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Mangione, indicted in New York, Rob, do you have that clip to show? Yes. He's indicted in New York, President Trump finally comments on it, and he says a few things. While that's taking place, you got a stunning poll comes out that finds more younger Americans think that CEO assassination was acceptable than those who don't, which is absolutely insane to think about. This poll, a poll by Emerson College revealed that 41% of Americans ages 18 to 29 viewed assassination of United Healthcare CEO as either somewhat or completely acceptable, while 33% deemed it completely unacceptable. I mean, to think about, that's what they're saying, this was something that happened. Then on top of that, there's two documentaries that may be able to get done on him, which

• 43:44Patrick Bet-David?

  by the way, I understand the documentary on him, Hollywood should do that, we should learn more. And then there's also a defense fund that just surpassed $100,000 as of a couple of days ago, I don't even know where it's at right now. Rob, if you can play a couple of these clips that you have, that'd be great.

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• 44:58Speaker 03

  We are here to announce that Luigi Mangione, the defendant, is charged with one count of murder in the first degree and two counts of murder in the second degree, including one count of murder in the second degree as an act of terrorism for the brazen, targeted, and premeditated shooting of Brian Thompson, who, as you know, was the CEO of United Healthcare. This was a frightening, well-planned, targeted murder that was intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. It incurred in one of the most bustling parts of our city,

• 45:40Speaker 03

  threatening the safety of local residents and tourists alike, commuters and business people just starting out on their day. The maximum penalty possible for murder in the first degree and murder in the second degree as an act of terrorism is life without parole. The maximum penalty for murder in the second degree is 25 years to life. There are additional counts as well. A number of criminal possession of weapon charges.

• 46:07Patrick Bet-David?

  We can skip this part here, Rob. If you can go to what the president said, go right ahead.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Healthcare shooting, the shooting of the CEO. Can you give us your thoughts about that? And what do you make of the reaction around this suspected shooter? Does that tell you anything about how people think about healthcare? Yeah, I think it's a terrible thing. I think it's really terrible that some people... seemed to admire him, like him. And I was happy to see that it wasn't specific to this gentleman that was killed. It's just an overall sickness as opposed to a specific sickness. That was a terrible thing. It was cold blooded, just a cold blooded horrible killing. And how people can like this guy is, uh, that's a sickness, actually. That's really very bad, especially the way it was done. It was so bad, right in the back.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  And, uh, very bad, very, thing like that, you just, you can't believe that some people. And maybe it's fake news. I don't know. It's hard to believe that that can even be thought of. But, uh, it seems that there's a certain appetite for him. I don't get it. And don't forget, this is speaking from somebody who was literally shot. Yeah, exactly. That wanted to kill him.

• 47:17Patrick Bet-David?

  This is very.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  So this is close to home for him.

• 47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Very dangerous place to go to, guys.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  It's dangerous, Pat, and it's, and mind you, these are Democrat leftists that are using this opportunity to celebrate gun violence. Do you guys understand how hypocritical they are? And they're getting tattoos. Have you seen this? They're getting tattoos of him getting shot and saying deny, defend, and depose. There's one on the arms.

• 47:41Patrick Bet-David?

  First of all, I gotta tell you, I can't even tell what that is. That's a horrible tattoo.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Horrible.

• 47:45Patrick Bet-David?

  She should get a refund. I can't, that looks like, honestly, zoom in a little bit.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  Is it backwards?

• 47:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It looks like a guy is going fishing. And that's a liquid water on the bottom.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  And the guy's walking on water.

• 47:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  Rob, is there a video? Rob, there's a, I think it's an Instagram video, isn't it? Yeah, go on the link, Rob. No, the link right here. And look, it's her getting this, she's getting this, and then look at this girl. Watch this. Look at that. You can lower the music. Look at this. She got that on her arm. Look, the mask, and then these girls are getting him, like, what kind of sick human being are you?

• 48:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Needs to shave, that's what she needs to do.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  Oh, shit, like Jake said, look at all the real estate she has on that.

• 48:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna do something like this, like warn us in advance.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, my, I apologize.

• 48:24Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a bunch of people getting tattoos of this guy. Okay, well, I'm not, listen, I, it, it, people will do a lot of weird things. Nowadays tattoos have a, have a different kind of a story and different meaning. But to me, Tony Robbins was here, yes, two days ago, yesterday?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Yesterday.

• 48:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yesterday? Was it yesterday or two days ago?

• 48:39Speaker 03

  Oh, was it? I'm losing my mind.

• 48:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He was here two days ago. We did a two and a half hour podcast. It was supposed to be, you know, short podcast, turned into two hours and 15 minutes. Great conversation. I asked him about this. And.

• 48:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how long it took him for him, Rob? What would you say, you watched it? How, what was his reaction to Luigi Mangione?

• 48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Def- great analysis, great breakdown of him. And it, and he gave it right away. Like, there was no- Zero hesitation. At all. Right away was able to explain exactly the mentality behind, what he thinks the mentality behind the shooter was and what led to the actions that happened. Would you say he was a, did he look at it as, you know, well, you don't know what he's going through, poor guy and all this stuff? Or was it like, no, this guy's a guy that grew up spoiled, family was rich, hates the capitalism, all this other stuff? The latter. The latter, yeah. It was interesting that he went there like this. Tom, your thoughts when you're seeing this right now and what the president said and what the hearings said? What would you say about this?

• 49:36Speaker 03

  So I'm gonna echo something that I said three podcasts ago. The liberals think capitalists and conservatives are evil. And it is acceptable for them and it even laudable when, when one is killed or they die or have hardship. Whereas conservatives, especially faith-based conservatives, merely believe that the liberals are wrong and need, through reasoning, even if they're volatile and they're militant, that need to come to understand truth and understand what's right. That's the difference. And you have now lived, going back into the Obama administration, this division of America

• 50:16Speaker 03

  for political and election purposes, this continual fueling and fostering of this hatred and vitriol, and it's come down. I said, you correctly pointed out, Pat, said, Tom, back up a little bit. I really wanna know about the 90 days prior, cause it's like this open period. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. And I was not throwing Penn over the waterfall as the cause. But I was saying, something happened to him at Penn. There was a, there was a step that, that was taken. It was a different guy that graduated Penn, then gave that valedictorian speech, talked about the, the disabled classmate and talked about the classmate that didn't speak English when he started. Very reasoned.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  There is a little step that was taken and then he sits in San Francisco for a while. Then he goes to Hawaii for a while and then is back and then what happened those 90 days? There's a, all we can say is we know there is a progression and the, what is surrounding him is this liberal and this, this angry vitriol where they think that this violence is acceptable. And if you think I'm wrong, go look at the poll. Forty-one percent of Americans age 18 to 29 at the Emerson College poll, which was, you know, and by the way, they weren't very accurate during the election and I hope to God they're not accurate here because I hope it's really not 41% of people that have emerged in career

• 51:40Speaker 03

  18 to 29 that, that deem it, you know, somewhat or completely acceptable and praise God for the 33% of the people in that age group that said, this is completely unacceptable. But you look at Taylor Lorenz and you look at her little smirk and you look at how she reacted and you look at what she said. She used the word joy and Pierce Morgan, God bless him, called her ass out. But that's what I think is happening. This guy, something happened those 90 days, but it was the culmination, but it was the culmination of little steps that had been taken since the man that gave the valedictorian speech at his high school and did not sound like this. Well, Vinny touched on this and I'll just sort of finish it off.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  The selective outrage versus the selective celebration from the left is, uh, it's kind of disgusting. So a psychopath walks into a Wisconsin, uh, high school, 15-year-old, kills people with gun violence, they're calling for, uh, taking away guns, the second amendment, but then this happens, cowardly shoots this guy in the back, kills him, father of two, hero worship. Candles, vigils, tattoos, uh, there was a look-alike contest. So which one is it, guys? Is it gun control or gun worship? Which one is it?

• 52:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, um, uh, uh, it just drives me crazy. By the way, do you think we're gonna hear anything from this guy? I'm cur- I want to hear, cuz you're not gonna hear a peep. And the last time he tried to speak, Tommy, they grabbed his ass and they threw him to prison. Somebody needs to sit down with this guy. I know, I know the court and everything, he has to wait for the trial and be like this, hey, what happened? What makes you silver spoon in your mouth, 140 IQ, great family? What in the God's name would make you do something like that? Okay? If his brain's not been wiped out by whoever talked to him for those three months, that, that, it doesn't, it still doesn't add up. Besides the outrage from the people, that, that's like, you know, they say like the radicalized, homegrown terrorists,

• 53:35Patrick Bet-David?

  that those white boys that went to Iraq and became ISIS, like, uh, that doesn't make any freaking sense and they should get hanged for treason? That, there's something going on that I wish we could find out, but I don't think we're ever gonna hear his voice.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  I just, I don't, you don't think he's ever gonna speak?

• 53:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Not, not meaning to, to who, who's he gonna talk to?

• 53:51Speaker 03

  I just hope that Brian Thompson's death, uh, I hope he doesn't die in vain. I hope something good can come from this. I hope something that helps America and our broken healthcare system, or our healthcare system that is definitely in need of-

• 54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Desperately.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  Yes, right? I hope, uh, his death, um, can help America move forward with a better healthcare system.

• 54:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, the business model, it's the business model. You know, we, we have a neighbor that their health insurance program, you know how it works, the insurance that they have? They, they pay you if you take care of your body more and have fewer visits. Oh, really? You understand what just happened? So let's just say your premium is $1,000 a month. Okay. But if you take care of your body, you lose weight, you're in shape, you're doing your physical, things are going better, triglycerides, everything's getting lower, and you have fewer need for the health insurance, they actually lower your premium. Oh, wow. So they reward you for not needing to go to the doctor. Cuz they know that you're, you're investing in yourself. Exactly. So our business model for hospitals sucks. So

• 54:56Patrick Bet-David?

  it, it, you know, like, you know, a lot of these companies, the other day had an executive from a major, uh, 250 billion dollar company over at her house. And Tom, you know who I'm talking about. I texted you about her because her CEO, the son, you know what I'm talking about, we're an investor in one of the companies. And she was over at the house. And she said, hey, we used to be this and da, da, da, da, da. We're now working from home. I said, really? Yeah. I said, okay. And so who works out of the office? Honestly, nobody now. I said, what percentage? Less than 10%. Wow. I said, and I look at her husband, what does he do? Says, we're actually at a company where we work from home and I love, we work from the office and I love it. So it's funny, the wife worked from home, the other, boom. But she's always on the road because she's always selling. So she's on the road six, seven months out of the year.

• 55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So that comes at a price, which that's what wholesaler salespeople do. You're always living in a hotel, okay? And typically when we have a soccer match, she's never there. He's there. She's normally out of daughter stuff, but he's normally there, okay? Great, I so much, probably I enjoy talking to her the most at night, just learning about the story. I said, so what do you guys do with all the real estate assets you guys have? We're selling them off. Really? One by one by one. She gave me some number, I don't know what the number was. We've sold over 50% of our real estate assets that we've had because we're not renting it anymore. You know what happens when you have so many different hospitals? You have to use it. But what if the incentive program changed? What if it changed? What if it's, hey, we're gonna give you this if your body is this.

• 56:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What if somebody right now that's listening, they're 300 pounds, eating cheesecake, pizza, all this stuff? What if all of a sudden, hey, if your body weight is this and you go do this and you do this physical, your cost, cost of insurance goes this and da, da, da, da, da? Now people have an incentive to do what? Be in shape. You know, military, like you had to, you run a certain amount of minutes for two miles.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What if, what if something like that is tied as an incentive program for me to be in shape? Right? A insurance carrier did this program one time called Vitality.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  I was just gonna bring that up, it was J H, right?

• 56:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, yeah, John Hancock, yeah. And anyways, I, I, you're right. I hope it goes that direction. But the hero making machine right now where they're talking about this guy being a hero, I've been talking about the fact that the hero making machine problem in America is horrible and we gotta fix it. And this is an example of it. Rob, all of a sudden, the last, I wanna say week, about two months ago on the podcast, and I'll show you the clip here in a minute.

• 57:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I was being asked, you know, everywhere I'm going, I'm being asked, what do you think about this? What do you think about this? Can you give us our analysis? And, you know, I mean, I said, the biggest thing you have to worry about between now and November 5th, Trump is enemy of the state number one. November 6th, it will be Elon Musk one, Vance two, then it's Trump. And he said, why? I said, because Musk is going to be around for a while, and Trump is a one-term president. Once he's in, he's in. And then Elon's going to be around a lot, a lot for many years. JD Vance is going to be a two-term president, so he's going to be the enemy. I said, but they're going to try to divide. I said, I predicted, what I said, I said, they're going to call who the president? Elon Musk. They're going to call Elon Musk the president, and they're going to call him Puppet Master, and they're going to put him on the cover of a magazine with a puppet master, whatever. You remember that? And you even went on ChatGPT. I might have, I'll send it to Rob.

• 58:06Patrick Bet-David?

  If you can send it to Rob, right? I say this two months ago. And watch what's been happening right now. Okay, I want you to watch this clip. Go ahead, Rob.

• 58:15Patrick Bet-David?

  This morning, made it clear with all his vast government experience, which is basically, he became rich on the federal government, that he doesn't want Republicans to pass this. And seemingly, Vice President Trump kind of backed him up then at that point. And what it says about the politics is- Did you hear it? This is going to be a message for you. Vice President Trump- On purpose. President Elon Musk. And nonchalant. You have another clip, Rob? You saw nonchalant, he did it too? Yeah. Like, oh, nonchalant. That's Adam Kinzinger. Then there's another one that you have here. Go ahead, Rob. Donald Trump is asking you to do him a big favor. Would you please raise the debt ceiling for him right now, so that he can give those tax cuts to Elon Musk and other billionaires next year?

• 58:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Lawrence, I think you have it just half a click off. It's not Donald Trump asking for this. It's very clearly President Elon Musk asking for this. The fact that Donald Trump has been completely AWOL- And then go to Bernie Sanders yesterday. Go to Bernie Sanders yesterday tweet. This is Bernie Sanders tweet yesterday zoom in a little bit. Democrats and Republicans spend months negotiating bipartisan agreement to fund our program. The richest man on earth, President Elon Musk, doesn't like it. While Republicans kiss the ring, billionaires must not be allowed to run our government, right? This is taking place. Did you send something?

• 59:36Speaker 03

  I sent it to Rob, and mind you, this is months, this is a month and a half, almost, almost two months ago. We're sitting there and you were, and you brought it up and I just went to chat GPT and I put it in. And this is what we were talking about.

• 59:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, this is coming soon.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  That's coming very, very soon. And notice how they're saying it under their breath. Nobody was like, nobody stopped it.

• 59:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's Elon's in the back and Trump's in the front. By the way, this is not a real cover. This is Grok or this is chat GPT?

• 59:57Speaker 03

  This is a chat GPT just on its own. I, I, because you were talking about it, like I said. This, and notice how he says it. They're saying it under their breath. Like they're planting the seed and nobody stopped them and whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're, why, why? They're letting it seep in. So now it's becoming like regular talk. And I think it's, it's, I mean, it's a good move. You talked about the wedge. They're gonna try to do it.

• 1:00:17Patrick Bet-David?

  If you can go to my Twitter account, Rob, if, if you don't mind going to the Twitter account. So on the, on my Twitter profile, uh, uh, you'll see the most recent tweets. So go a little bit. I said, the only way, okay, uh, the only way the enemy can win is to divide and conquer. Expect to your President Musk and puppet master has a way to get under Trump's skin. They'll plaster this everywhere. I predicted, watch the clip, play, play the clip, Rob, if you can. Uh, uh, go ahead and play.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  He's showing that.

• 1:00:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Put it on 1.5. I'm the richest man in the world and I want nothing from you, Trump. But they're gonna do the following. And I'm telling you, it could work effectively if it gets under Trump's skin. And here's what it is. Forty laws of power, law number one, Rob. Can you go to forty laws of power, law number one? Do you know what law number one is?

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Never outshine the master.

• 1:00:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Never outshine the master. Law number one, never outshine the master. For the next four years, nobody can outshine Trump. And I mean, nobody. If anything happens and credit is given and they spin it, this is how they do it. You ready? Uh, Elon Musk is Trump's puppet master.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:01:14Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what they're going to do. By the way, that was Thanksgiving. That's coming.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Thanksgiving, look at the sad, yeah.

• 1:01:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yesterday, he says everything he said.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  Shout out to Kelly.

• 1:01:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Time travelers, you guys are like, you're predicting all this stuff. And it was a funny thing that he's saying. But I, I know they have to create that friction between those two. It's not even JD right now. They'll do JD and you're three, four. But they have to do Musk right now. You're one, you're two. First, they're gonna have to find that play between the two. And they're gonna have to write it all over the place. Cover of Time Magazine, it's gotta be a puppet master. We call it a picture of Musk and Trump on the bottom, holding him. Just to poke the bear. That's what they're going to do. Right here. And they're going to say, the president of the United States is really Elon Musk. It's not Trump.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 1:01:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk is the president of the United States and he's toying with Trump.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  Patrodamis.

• 1:01:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Patrodamis over here.

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, the question is, will it work? Do you think President Trump, seeing this kind of stuff and watching it? Do you think at all in his mind, it's gonna upset him?

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• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  Eight years ago, I would have said, there's probably, you know, a chance that it's gonna, it's gonna unsettle him a little bit. I don't think so now, because I think they see it coming. Uh, they ran a fabulous campaign. They were able to jujitsu, you know, the theory of jujitsu, use the other guy's energy, and then move that energy to get your move accomplished and, and, and, and put the other man on the floor. So I think that...

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Any sensitivity there, they see this coming now. I think they see it coming. They know what's going on. Soon as, look, as soon as the nominations start coming out, the assassinations start coming out. Because they don't have, if you don't have an idea, you don't have a program, all you have is words manipulation, right? Name calling, name calling and manipulation, not just words. Name calling and manipulation, that's all you have. Hitler didn't work, so now you get to move on to something else. Name, calling and manipulation. Oh, this is a dictator, he's gonna be, he's gonna retaliate, there's a 50, so there's two things I see right now. The retaliation angle, you may have somebody that we're gonna cover a story later today. I think the retaliation, retaliation against the media, I got the odds at 50% that he's gonna retaliate.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  So here he comes, gonna retaliate, we told you so, and then manipulation. How are they trying to manipulate? They're trying to get under his skin using this. It's concerted, and I'm, I have faith right now that it's not gonna work because they see it coming. And when Trump has sat there with Kristen a week ago, and she tried some angles on him, he came right to her professionally, elegantly, but shut her down, and I hope that's what's gonna happen here. I think, uh, I think it is gonna work, and I'll tell you why. What else could they throw towards Trump that could get him off the pedestal? They've done the Nazi thing, they've done the allegations, they've tried to basically throw him in jail,

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  they've done the court cases, they've done so many different things. So we all, we all saw what happened with Russia, Russia, Russia, none of it worked, he got elected, boom. We all know that Trump, for all the great things he's done, definitely can be vindictive, and he can definitely be sort of a fragile eagle at times, and the little things will happen. And the media will see Trump and Elon there doing a press conference one day, this could be a year down the road, and they'll say, well, okay, Mr. President, sorry, we have questions for Elon. And they're gonna focus all their attention, and they're gonna keep dripping and dripping and dripping and dripping this. At some point, it might get under Trump's skin. And we're gonna find out if Trump has the ability to basically tune out the noise and say, "Let's get S done."

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Or if he's gonna let this affect his relationship with Elon. Elon Musk, I think he just surpassed a half a trillion dollars bet. So the... I have one simple follow-up. This election was too important for what has to happen for America. Specifically, we've got the debt thing going on right now. It was so important for America. And I would hate to see the opportunity squandered at the hands of a psy-op.

• 1:05:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Feel you.

• 1:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, when Tom gets pissed, guys, seriously, there's a part of me that gets scared. And I wanna walk out.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  He doesn't mess around.

• 1:05:50Patrick Bet-David?

  It upsets me. But let me tell you something here. I got a question for you. And Tom, I got a question for you as well. You ready? So what used to upset you when you were 20 that no longer upset you at 30? Stay with me. What used to upset you when you were 30 that no longer upset you at 40? What used to upset you at 40 that no longer upset you in your 50s? Okay? And then here's a follow-up question. What used to upset you in your 20s that whether you're 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, it's still going to upset you? Those two questions will dictate what's gonna happen here. So answer it for yourself.

• 1:06:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What used to upset you in your 20s that no longer does in your 40s? I can tell you mine. I have a lot of them.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Wait, 20s that bothered you?

• 1:06:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. What used to upset you in your 20s that things were said about you or, you know, things with the words that no longer upsets you today?

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  You know, picking my height. "Oh, you're short. You're this. You're that." Doesn't, none of that bothers me.

• 1:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But think about that.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, nothing, none of that...

• 1:06:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, at one point, how much did it?

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Oh, of course, because I was really small.

• 1:07:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what else? What used to bother in your 20s that no longer upsets you today?

• 1:07:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, look, he went somewhere. Did you see that?

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Patrick Bet-David?

  All of us.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Just the gay comments.

• 1:07:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, but that still upsets you. I mean, even earlier today, you know, I don't even want to tell them what you told me earlier. But be serious for a second. And folks, I'm asking you, the audience that's answering this question here.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  Doesn't affect me at all.

• 1:07:23Patrick Bet-David?

  But was there things that would would destroy you, keep you up at night and all that stuff? That no longer does.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, people talk about my mother, like your mother's this, or your father, like that today? It's nothing to me. I don't even listen to that type of stuff.

• 1:07:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so now, what used to bother in your twenties? It doesn't matter if you're thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, it's still gonna bother you. What is it?

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  So what bothered me?

• 1:07:48Patrick Bet-David?

  In your twenties, that will still bother you today at forty-six?

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Anything about my religion, anything about Christianity, anything about that, my beliefs and stuff like that. Still, that hasn't changed at all.

• 1:08:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Well, I would say that. I would, yeah, I have a certain feeling of that, but I also have a eternal perspective on that. I, I, I still, if, and you know this, if people are lazy and things won't go as fast as they need to, that bothered me in my twenties, it bothers me now. Because I want to get it done, and it bothers me as much today as it ever has. Even more so today, because now I have the benefit of my own history, realizing that when you really go fast and you put it down, what you can really achieve, and I've seen it. So actually, it probably bothers me more today. When I was in my twenties and, you know, I, I used to hear, well, you didn't go to this school, you didn't go to that school, that really bothered me. Now I look back on it and said, well, I think I did okay.

• 1:08:43Speaker 03

  You know, so that's like, you know, whatever. Now I see it as I kind of poke back, right? Yeah, I went to a small school and then I had to put myself through to get my MBA. I guess that worked out.

• 1:08:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So watch, watch.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Now I almost, I almost go the other way with it. I'll just add one thing. For me, I don't think I'll ever change this. People who are just... Sloppiness, grossness, just have zero standards, just anything goes willy-nilly, broke, gross, just disgusting, clean it up buddy, that will never be something that I'm just like, "Oh yeah, I'm okay with it."

• 1:09:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You probably thought about a friend that was like that, you went somewhere, maybe a former roommate, you had something like that, because I had a guy like that as well, his name was Speedy Espinoza, he would leave his underwear on his bed and go for the weekend with this girl in Nashville, who, I don't want to say who, anyway, so he-

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  You don't want to say what, you just called out Speedy?

• 1:09:31Patrick Bet-David?

  One weekend, one weekend, Speedy, and this guy was five, six years older than me, and I was 18 years old, but I was done, one weekend, I took all his clothes and I dumped, the weekend he was gone, because he would leave his underwear, and I don't even want to tell you what it looked like, he would leave his briefs, I took his clothes in a plastic bag, I dumped it in the trash, my room would smell, I can't deal with smell, he came back saying, "Where are my clothes?" I said, "In the trash outside." I said, "Don't ever leave your underwear here before you leave, wash them before you leave, I'm not gonna, every time you leave dirty clothes here, and if I smell anything, it's going to the trash every single time," and he very quickly realized he needs to wash his clothes, and that drove me effing insane, anyway, but let me tell you what it is, you ready? Okay, what hasn't changed?

• 1:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  People you do a lot for, that betray you.

• 1:10:21Patrick Bet-David?

  And again, I'm going back to Trump, on what he's thinking about.

• 1:10:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What else? Stuff with my dad, it's just, you just don't do it. Anything with my dad, family, don't, don't, don't go there, he's a very good man, okay?

• 1:10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Faith, God, values, principle, America, very protective of that, it's very important. Betrayal, it's always gonna be there, betrayal's always gonna be there, because I'm always gonna do more for you than you're gonna do for me. Lack of gratitude will always be unattractive. I had a call yesterday, a guy comes to my office, brings me the nicest painting, and he says, "Wow, you know, you're such and such," we just fired a couple people recently, and one of the guys that we fired, you were there, you were in the building, we brought security, we're like, "Hey, this is your last day, you're getting fired." "Oh, no way," shell-shocked, boom, he says, "Yeah," he called me and told me that he quit. I said, "He told you he quit?" "Yeah." "Wow." "Really?" He said, "I told him, I said, 'You're an idiot.'" This guy introduced you to all these different people, you quit?

• 1:11:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So then I sent a message, are you telling people why I'm telling them this? Interesting. That's permanent.

• 1:11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Because when Tom and I were working together, and over the years, Gerard used to be on the podcast. He sent me the nicest message the other day. Guess what?

• 1:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  When things were happening two years ago, three years ago, we never said anything about him. So I like him till today. Think he's a talent. You know what his Instagram profile says? Fired from PBD Podcast.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  Oh, does it really?

• 1:11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, funny as hell, right? But you know what it is? Here's what it is. I will forever remember how you value the relationship. Permanent. Will remember. It's always gonna be here. You publicly undermined everything that happened, no problem. I don't think it'll happen here. Because I don't think... You see, neither one of the men made the other man.

• 1:12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So Trump didn't make Musk, and Musk didn't make Trump.

• 1:12:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you know, when it's like that, it's not like Trump is, you know, Musk wears Trump's gear.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:12:38Patrick Bet-David?

  He wears the Make America Great Again gear.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  Dark MAGA.

• 1:12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, and it's like, just puts it on. And guess what? Great, good for you. And so he's giving that respect to him. Musk is coming over here to Mar-a-Lago all the time. Of course, there's motives on both sides, and there's incentives on both sides. That's very important. The biggest factor internally is I think the person that controls if Trump gets upset about this or not here, believe it or not, is actually not Trump. Guy sends me a message, another guy, we love this guy. He was with us for three years and he quit. He didn't get fired. He actually quit. He came to me, this is the path, today's my last day, quit. I'm like, oh, wow. When you're business for 25 years, you're gonna get spooked sometimes, and you're gonna

• 1:13:26Patrick Bet-David?

  do the firing, right? Both 50/50. And that decision takes place. And I said, so, do you have any final thoughts? Because we're done. I mean, you already made your decision. I wish you nothing but the best. Great, boom, do your thing. Fantastic. He says, what do I do with this relationship long term? I said, I don't dictate what direction this relationship goes long term, you do.

• 1:13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna continue to grow. You dictate where we go long term. Okay? And guess what? Been very respectful. All the stuff that we're doing. In this relationship with Trump and Elon. Elon controls what happens, not Trump.

• 1:14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon has to be the first to jump out and defend Trump. Elon has to jump out and call these people out. Elon has to, has to go out after these guys and be the flag carrier. Because in this role, Elon is the flag carrier. Trump put his life on the line and took the heat debating when nobody believed in him for the whole four years after 2020 where everybody wrote him out and they're like, this guy's done with. He went through those DOJ, he went to court, he went and did all that stuff. He traveled to New York and mugshot and embarrassing and family and wives drawn. He went through those humiliating moments. Nobody's above this guy. So that's why I'm saying, I, my own, and, and the reason why I don't think it'll happen. Because I think Elon understands this dynamic. Cause Elon has a lot of people that he changed their lives as well.

• 1:14:52Patrick Bet-David?

  They owe Elon the favor, not the other way around. Many people don't understand this and, and the, the reason why they don't understand is because they think life is only one year. And only think about, well, I got the other guy to give me $20,000 so I'm doing business right now. Patrick will never find that, we find out everything. And then guess what happens long term? You sacrifice a role, you don't think your kids are gonna need that phone call in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years? You just did it for this one reason? Man, you're short term thinking. Elon's not short term thinking. Elon's long term thinking. So I don't think it's gonna happen because I think Elon's been, all this stuff that they're doing to Trump, I think it's happened to him in business so many times that Elon is what? He's locked in, my opinion, my opinion.

• 1:15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  But the person that controls where this relationship goes here. I think it's gonna be Elon, I think Trump has the right to be upset. I think Trump has the right if somebody throws him under the bus behind closed doors. I think Trump has the right to be a little bit agitated if any of that stuff happens. He has the right to have that, he's a man, he put all, he had all the pressure. And everyone just needs to stay as united as possible. Do the job and if we do. History books could potentially consider this four years.

• 1:16:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The most monumental four years that took America to the next level. And I'm being sincere, that everybody benefits from it. And whoever's locked into that vision,

• 1:16:18Patrick Bet-David?

  you're in a good place. Whoever's not, hey, no problem. We understand. But everybody will be filtered out. It doesn't take a long time to filter people out. There's a famous quote that I tweeted out two weeks ago. And it was very intentional. It said, "When a man with experience meets a man with money, the man with the money leaves with the experience, the man with the experience leaves with the money." Did you hear what I just said? When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with the money, the man with the money leaves with the experience.

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  Got you.

• 1:16:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But every once in a while, you meet somebody that has both money and experience. Never cross a man like that. That's Trump and that's Musk. Never make that mistake. You're a fool if you do so. Because everyone around the block and they have the right resources. Keep those people close to you. They're very hard to find. They're a great asset to you and your family. Your future kids will benefit from these relationships. Trump's grandkids will benefit from the relationship with Musk. Vice versa, everybody. It's very, very important. Anyways, okay. So let's go to this next one here, which is something that happened that I really like. Rob, do you mind pulling up the clip with MSNBC? Stephanie Ruhl says Trump is more accessible than Biden, but jokes he had. He told her to go F her stuff. By the way, I actually love this. Folks, if you're running a business, you're in sales,

• 1:17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  you have to watch this. There's such a big lesson in this. Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  Donald Trump had that crazy rally at Madison Square Garden. Oh, wow, yeah. I rolled the dice and I called him on the phone.

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• 1:18:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this.

• 1:18:56Speaker 05

  And he answered! Of course he did!

• 1:18:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the guy.

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  What'd he say? And I wasn't calling to chit chat. I said, "Mr. President, this is Stephanie Rule. You made a lot of comments last night, blah, blah, blah." And it was not an on the record conversation. Long story, so I'm not going to get into what he said. But I called for one reason. I said, "You just said a whole bunch of public things. I'd like to sit down for an interview with you. We got five days before the election." So, we didn't get in anything. There's nothing for me to report. I called him and said, "I want an interview with you." Obviously, he said no. But my point is, I was able to get to him by dialing his phone. Now, that might be completely ape shit and you're like, "I can't believe people know this guy's phone number." But the reverse of that, if I were to want to connect with VP Harris or President Biden,

• 1:19:45Speaker 05

  there's 50 people between me and that. I could write a note that maybe could get to somebody to get somebody then through Pony Express and a pigeon, something might end up in a mailbox near them.

• 1:19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That is embarrassing.

• 1:19:56Speaker 05

  And I called DJT to say, "Yo, can I have an interview with you?" And he answered. "You told me to go fuck myself."

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  But he still picked up.

• 1:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, thoughts?

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  I love that. I absolutely love it. Because, you know what it points out? That we've been living in a staged show. And the directors and the producers didn't want the media to really talk to the actors. And the actors are Biden and Harris. And instead, Trump, who is famous for being accessible, he's famous for being a quick text. Not for everybody. But for the people that know him, because he knows the game. You know, the art of the deal means you know who to call. The art of the deal means when you need a permit in New York, you call City Hall and say, you know, I got all these people working, I got all these things going on here. What's up with my permit? Right?

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  The art of the deal means that you work the phones and you influence. You don't influence, that's it. You don't influence from being behind 50 people and being a puppet. Right? And that is what Biden and Harris were. And Stephanie Ruhl has just pointed out, I would have to go through all this stuff to get to, to know. Let me translate it for you. Stephanie Ruhl says, my job is to interview people and to get segments and get them on my network. That's what I'm paid to do. I am a commentator. That's what I'm supposed to do. I tried to do that with Biden and Harris. I can't do my job because there's 50 people in my way. But DJT picks up the phone. Guess what? When you're making deals and when you're out making things happen and you're leading, you're accessible enough to the right people so that you can get crap done.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  And we have just seen Biden and Harris are puppets behind the stage and the directors and producers. That's what we had. I think there's even a bigger story here. So it's sort of a metaphor for the difference between Trump and someone like Kamala or Biden, or a capitalist versus a socialist.

• 1:21:53Speaker 03

  How, Trump, one of the biggest things he says is we're going to cut regulation. We're going to cut red tape. We're going to make this Doge thing happen, the Department of Government Efficiency. You know, Bill Maher talks about how to build, shed in the back of his house. You've been to the back of his house, or to build a toilet in California. It would cost $5 million by the time you go through regulation, by the time some palms get greased, by the time that you go through all this regulation and red tape, how much more it costs versus just picking up the phone, calling somebody and getting through. So there's a bigger message here. The fact that she called Trump and he picked up and he's like, hello? Yeah, no, no interview, but have a nice life is amazing. It's amazing. And that's the whole part of being efficient.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  By the way, you know who's the most accessible person here? The most accessible person here? PBD. If I text PBD or if I call PBD, if I, right away. There's other people sometimes that make you go through them to get to PBD. And if I have to go through a certain person who may no longer be here anymore, it might take me days just to get back from PBD. But I respect PBD's time, so maybe I don't go directly to PBD on things. But it's just a metaphor for sometimes bureaucrats and people with red tape and regulation want to get their palms greased or get in the way and use power, when all you gotta do is sometimes go to the source. And I think, I'm being dead serious. I had this conversation yesterday on Manect about how accessible,

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  and this isn't a plug for Manect, but it's gonna sound like it because it kinda is. You can, if these people get a phone number, they can get to the president. Yesterday, this guy left me this awesome Manect, and he's like, "Vinnie, I just gotta give you guys a shout out." He's like, "I had an idea that I wanted to talk to Tulsi Gabbard about, who's gonna be the new Director of Intelligence, right? That's her new job." This guy was like, "I said..." He's communicating with the person that's right next to the president, and the accessibility, and he's like, "I gave her all these ideas that she could use or not use. She messaged me right back and said, 'Great idea if there's a way to implement them.'" Like, think about, she can get to the president. People on Manect can literally get to the freaking White House and talk to people.

• 1:24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Such a good point. You know, it's funny, for me, being in sales, this is even bigger than that, Vinnie. Let me, and I said this on Charlie Kirk's shows yesterday. So, I'm in a meeting, we're in Diamond Bar, and these two guys are debating onstage on what's important. One guy, who's this macho, arrogant, cocky guy, says, "Never pick up the phone call of your guys and wait 24 hours, because if you do, it makes them think you're not busy. If you answer it a day later, you're training them to think you're so busy that they also work so hard because they'll say, 'Oh my God, such and such is so busy.'" So, never be accessible, right? This is what the guy's saying. And this other lady, she's up there, she's like, "No, I like to be accessible." And they're going back and forth. And another guy, who's a former Marine, jumps in,

• 1:24:47Patrick Bet-David?

  "No, you can't, you guys need to know your time is valuable, and if you don't respond..." I'm like, "Wow, pretty heated debate." I'm sitting there, I'm like, "Yeah, I'm a street guy, and I like that she is accessible."

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You could get ahold of her, and she would respond back. And guess what? You know, whatever business dealings, I'm no longer with them. You have no, I, I went up to her, I said, listen, I just want you to know this. You're right, don't listen to them.

• 1:25:15Speaker 03

  Good.

• 1:25:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I told her that. She may remember this, I said, you're right. Don't listen to them. She's my boss.

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, stay that way. We like it.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:25:25Patrick Bet-David?

  We like it, you just have to protect the views, right? So, in sales, in PHP, I watch my sales guys. I had one guy, whom I gave somebody for him to go visit and train in his state. Three years, the lady's there, he never visited her, ever. And she was, I could never get a hold of him. I gave another guy, like this. Accessible, accessible, accessible. This guy built a massive agency. This guy never billed a vice president, ever, himself, ever. And he's probably more talented than the other guy, was never accessible. The key to accessibility is important. And then you gotta protect yourself as well, but you gotta be accessible for the people that wanna get a hold of you. Uh, guy calls me the other day, he's like, hey, so Patrick, I haven't spoken to you for three years.

• 1:26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Dylan's sitting right next to me, I'm like, why is he calling me?

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Former commercial real estate agent. When I first moved to Florida, I was interviewing a few guys to be a commercial real estate agent. And one night, I'm calling him, two, three times after six o'clock, he's not picking up, cuz I got an opportunity, I wanna get some questions on. He calls me the next morning, he says, hi, I noticed you called me last night. I said, yeah, I called you three times. He says, I have a rule, I don't answer phone after six o'clock. I said, oh, really? Yeah. I said, well, I'm planning buying hundreds of millions of dollars of properties. I also have a rule. My commercial real estate agent needs to work for me, we're not gonna work it together. He calls me, he says, how are things? Are you still doing that business? Is it going good? I said, yeah, it's going good, you, you know, we've grown. He says, that's good. Do you need any, did you ever end up buying any real estate? And I'm like, this guy doesn't check any store.

• 1:26:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm like, yeah, I bought this, I bought that, I bought this, I bought this, I bought. How come you never called me? My answer, I never wanted to broke, break your code of don't call me after six o'clock.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Silence for ten seconds.

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:27:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Well, I don't get it.

• 1:27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. I said, God bless.

• 1:27:13Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:27:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Got off the phone.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And I told Dylan, I said, Dylan, you wanna get into sales? People gotta get a hold of you.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:27:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Never be too big of a big shot to think that people can't get a hold of you. And by the way, sometimes your people that are your like handlers, if you're not too careful, they'll make you look like an asshole because they're not getting back to anybody.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And like dude, you gotta get back to people. And so you gotta be also be careful where you're training your guys to also be available, accessible and get back to people quickly. If you don't have an answer right now, you're like, well, I didn't get back to them for three days because I don't have an answer. Tell them, I don't have an answer, but can I get back to you Friday at such and such time? Yes. Put in a calendar, get back to them. That's a, that's an addition. And by the way, the reason why Trump has that is why he's good in sales. You can't not have that and be good in sales. You have to be accessible.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  You also told the story, it might've been on BPW. It was regarding Mario. Someone said, uh,

• 1:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  Hey Mario, I gotta talk to PBD. It's super urgent. It's urgent. Was that a BPW did that?

• 1:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I did.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  Super urgent.

• 1:28:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 03

  And then you get on the phone and quickly you realize, well, this wasn't that urgent. This could have been something we could have handled.

• 1:28:17Patrick Bet-David?

  That was Will Gadera that Mario's assistant sent an email saying very urgent.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:28:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Mario gets on with Will. Willis like, did somebody got it? No. Why is it that, you know, so it was a very interesting thing. Anyways, breaking news that just came in right now, Rob, if you want to pull it up. Appeals court removes prosecutor Fannie Willis from the Georgia election case against Trump and others. Interesting.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:28:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. You remove her? Why did you remove her? A state appeals court on Thursday removed Fulton, uh, Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis from the Georgia election interference case against Trump and others, but didn't, uh, dismiss the indictment, leaving the future of the prosecution uncertain. The case against Trump and more dozen others have been already largely stalled for months while the COVID, COVID. The new ruling means it's up to the prosecuting attorneys, the counsel of Georgia to find another prosecutor to take over the case and to decide whether to continue. Tom, what does this really mean?

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  What this means is that Fannie Willis, um, by the organization in Georgia that manages their prosecuting attorneys, has basically said, Fannie? You, you have brought something here and your conduct and how you've done this is so beyond the pale and outside the lines that you're off this case. They basically have removed her from the case. We had to go through the hearings with you and did you give money to your boyfriend and were you doing the horizontal bop on brakes and all those things that we were hearing about this, right? And the money, well, that's what it was. Horizontal what? Mambo. What is this?

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  You're laying down, Pat, or you're on top of the person? Yeah, it's an old, it's an old Bob Seger reference. Tom's doing the Mambo number five over here. No, no, no. It's just from a Bob Seger song. I thought it was a geometry reference. Back to Fanny. Get back to Fanny's Fanny, go. No, no, no, but. A little bit of Tom in your life. So let's, so let's go back to the facts. Fact, she was not in the office a lot. She was having an affair. She directed money to a boyfriend. She ended up in a disciplinary hearing that barely went her way. Remember that? Yeah. And now, now, you know, they're all looking at January 20th and they're looking at federal money and they're looking at a lot of things. They're looking at judges being

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  appointed. And so people in Georgia that I think are protecting their livelihoods are de-politicizing this and they're saying, step one, Fanny, you're off the case. Step two, a new prosecutor can look at it because they don't have the authority to dismiss the case. Only the prosecutor dismissed the case. So they said, we need to find a new prosecutor. And if the new prosecutor, you know, picks up the piece of paper and says, uh, yeah, this thing is weak as hell. It never should have been brought, toss this thing. And I think that's what's about to happen in Georgia. But the disciplinary group over the state prosecutors has basically removed her from the case, which should have happened a long

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  time ago, but everybody was scared because the Democrat machine had so much pressure. The same thing happened to Alvin Bragg. And this is what Eric Adams is on the flip side screaming about in New York. And so there's a new sheriff in town and January 20th is coming and Fanny just got fired off that case and the new prosecutor will either continue it or he'll drop it because a prosecutor has to be the one to drop it. Let me ask you something, Tom, you know, put on your lawyer hat. There was 93 counts on all these different states, allegations, New York, DC, Florida, Georgia.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  How many of them, Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Letitia James, Fonny Will... You're learning all these names. Come January 20th, is it all just down to zero? Nothing? I believe it will be ultimately, and I'll tell you why. Remember when we broke this down? I broke it down for everybody. I said, "Here's all the accounts in the Alvin Bragg." Remember, we went count by count by count for our audience to say, "This is basically what he did." Adam, you know, you, you know, and a buddy were at your house- Don't bring me into this, Tom. No, no, no, I'll use an example. And you're drinking, and you get-

• 1:32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I've got to remember a story to talk about.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  And you get upset, and you smash a bottle of Jack Daniels on his head, and you cut him. And so he goes to the authorities and says, "I got assaulted, man. This is battery." And then the DA said, "Okay, count number one, Adam committed battery in apartment in Miami." Count number two, Adam committed battery in Dade County. Tom, I don't know-

• 1:32:49Patrick Bet-David?

  When was this?

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  Count number three- Now the chat's gonna go wild here. Adam committed battery on the sixth floor of an apartment building. Remember, that's what Alvin Bragg did. He cut the thing. Remember all those checks? He cut it into little slices. So it was a loaf of bread, but he cut it into slices and acted like each slice was a case in to itself. That's what, that is the definition of weaponization of, of the Justice Department. And that's what Fannie did. And so 93 counts, they did that so the number would seem big. With each individual- I love you. I just wanted to see if there's gonna be 0 for 93. All of a sudden, I'm on the sixth floor, with the candle maker and the butler and the... What's going on here? There are some people that appreciate, in our audience, that appreciate the explanation,

• 1:33:33Speaker 03

  because they're gonna go talk to their friends and say, "Listen, PBD Podcast broke this thing down. They've got it under control, and this is what happened."

• 1:33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And let's not forget, Tom, you know her, I don't know, was he her boyfriend? Or the special prosecutor Nathan Wade?

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  The guy doing the horizontal mambo number five?

• 1:33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy that was on vacations and doing all that type of stuff? He met with the White House officials in May and November in 2002, while the Georgia election interference case was happening.

• 1:33:58Speaker 03

  Correctamundo!

• 1:34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Pieced together, like, it's a fact that everybody was so blind, and everybody was so, like, we knew what the hell was going on, and it's just refreshing to know that it's all about to get flushed down the toilet. Well, there you go. That's the update. Let's go to the next one here. Miami judge approves bail- For wealthy Alexander twin, twins in state rape case. Now, for this story, Rob, if we can read it because some people may not know what's going on.

• 1:34:28Patrick Bet-David?

  These guys in Miami, Florida, I'm not just Miami, they're known for being top producers in real estate for many, many years, okay? And they're the Orin.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  Alexander brothers.

• 1:34:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The Alexander twins.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Orin Alexander, that's twins, and then there's a third brother.

• 1:34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So Miami Judge Grant's bail to real estate broker twins, Orin and Alon, who face state sexual charges with bond set at 3 million and 2 million respectively, secured by their father's home in Ball Harbor, Florida. Circuit Judge Lodi Jean approved house arrest, ordered the twins to stay away from victims stating, "I'm satisfied that these are reasonable conditions." The twins, along with their brother Tal Alexander, also implicated in the federal sex trafficking case in New York. Authorities allege the brothers used their wealth to lure, drug and sexually assault, rape multiple women over more than a decade. Tal Alexander, co-founder of luxury real estate firm official, appeared in federal court on related charges. Rob, do you have a clip on this or is it exactly what I just read?

• 1:35:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I have the clip from when they were originally denied bail that we had. Oh, played, is that the one where he said he's got a son, he's got a child on the way? Go ahead, Rob, go ahead.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  Because it's considered a dangerous crime, I'm required to hold you with no bonds. Your Honor? Your Honor, yes, sir, don't talk about the facts, though, your attorney's here. Your Honor, my wife is nine months pregnant, due any day now with our first child. Her family's in Brazil, she's counting on me to be with her during labor.

• 1:35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  That's something, you have a very good attorney, he's gonna, you're gonna be hearing tomorrow before the division judge, and that judge will consider any argument regarding a bond. Because they filed this motion for pre-trial detention, I'm required by law to grant it because this is considered a dangerous crime.

• 1:36:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And then, Rob, there's another one that came out, a friend of theirs, friend of Alexander Real Estate Brothers, surrenders. In sexual assault case, surrenders, I just texted it to you.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  The whole crew, huh?

• 1:36:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, this is, uh, this is, uh, not good. If you go online, Rob, and you just type in, Alexander Twins, the story will come up, uh, as a first one. Just go to Google and type in Alexander Twins, it'll pop up. Uh, right there, there you go, you got it. So friend of Alexander real estate brother surrenders, um, who are prominent luxury real estate in Florida, New York, or some of the traffickers, helped them, uh, okay, so to face an allegation that he helped two of them rape a woman nearly a decade ago. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Uh, a friend of brothers who are prominent real estate in Florida, children's, one's allegation, Oat Fisherman, 39, returning, uh, early from his honeymoon in Japan to surrender at the Miami-Dade County courthouse. On sexual, uh, battery of multiple perpetrators, he was later released on $25,000 bond with his new wife and mother-in-law,

• 1:37:10Patrick Bet-David?

  putting up another 216 collateral, according to investigators, Fisherman helped twins, Alan and Orin, uh, rape a woman December 31st, 2016. They stayed at, uh, woman to his Miami Beach apartment for New Year's barbecue, sending her photos and people already in attendance when she arrived. However, the only people present were the twins, Fisherman and two mates. The woman told police that Alexander and Fisherman took her into a bedroom where Fisherman held her down, while the twins took turns. Fisherman is anxious to resolve this and vindicate his name. Wow. Adam, what, what, what do you know? Uh, this is a Miami story. You know these guys, you know of them in, in the Florida market. What do you know more about the story?

• 1:37:48Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna be radically transparent here. Um, these kids grew up in Miami, these guys grew up in Miami. Uh, they have a, an older brother, I'll leave his name out of it because he was not involved in this whatsoever. He was in my class, he was in my grade. Uh, we, acquaintances, we're good.

• 1:38:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, really? So one of the brothers has nothing to do with these allegations?

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  There's a fourth brother who is, is not even involved in this whatsoever. I don't even know if he lives in Florida anymore. I'm not sure, I haven't seen him since, whoever, however. Um, but the point is, I know him, I know the family, and I remember these guys from growing up. We run in very similar circles in Miami. I don't have any of their numbers on my phone. We're not friends. We did spend that one time, uh, at a dinner together. Not my buddies, but we have a lot of mutual friends, a lot. And I would have conversations with, uh, multiple buddies, one in particular, who was, uh, a groomsman in one of their weddings. And I was like, dude, What the hell's going on here? Have you see, and this is a very credible guy, good guy, um, stand-up guy.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  He goes, "I've never seen anything. I've never seen them do anything like this, but I don't go on these private parties to the Hamptons. I'm not there on these private jets. I only see what goes on here in Miami." I had conversations with, I told you who I had lunch with yesterday. You know, people, very well-to-do people in Miami. I said, I said, "You partied with these people? You, have you heard anything ever about this?" She's like, "No, other than like, they like to party and have fun. I've never heard any of these stories." But here's the twist. One story, two stories, five stories. Okay. 10 stories? What? 20, 40 allegations?

• 1:39:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the number?

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  That's the number now, apparently, right?

• 1:39:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Shit.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  Okay? Fact-check that. That's an insane amount of number. So, what I will say is the following. You know, in America, we still believe in innocent until proven guilty. With social media these days, it's sort of trial by social media, trial by media, trial by opinion. They deserve their day in court. Um, here it is, right here. Testify that 40 women accusing the Alexander brothers of rape are credible. Um, I'll give you another insight here. Uh, this is a text that I received, okay? Uh, a girl I know, mutual friend, and she saw the clip that we did six months ago. And she said, "Hey, this clip resurfaced.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  I want to tell you something." And I'm gonna leave her name out of it. She says, "I was sent the clip that we discussed by multiple women." She said, "I personally know five women who were assaulted by them."

• 1:40:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh shit.

• 1:40:37Speaker 03

  Okay? This is a girl I know. I said, "I would never, ever back these guys up." Basically saying like, um...

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  In my opinion, this is 1,000% true. This is what she says. I said, "That's crazy." 1,000. What did the women say? I said, "The clip that we discussed was five, six months ago when these allegations were coming out." Obviously, things have gotten way worse. We saw the video of when they came out in front of their house. "Come outside now, the FBI." She says, quote unquote, "They were all raped while on drugs." I said, "By which brother or brothers?" This is what she says, her words.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  All three raped women. Jeez. She says, "I can't believe that people still don't believe this. It's pretty wild to me." I said, "It's a horrible situation and it's seems to be pretty believable." Then she says, "Always believe women." And I said, "Always?" She said, "Always." I said, "Women never lie?" And then she said, "Well, 96% of the time." So, but the point is this, this is actually a horrible situation. I feel horrible for these women if this did happen. This spanned over, I want to say over 10 to 15 years. Uh, these were young guns getting rich quick. What's the message here? The truth always comes out, whether it's these guys, whether it's Harvey Weinstein, whether it's Bill Cosby.

• 1:42:00Speaker 03

  We're, they're gonna deserve their day in court, but if you do mess up, your day's coming. Yeah. And, uh, we're gonna see what happens here, but, uh, it's a, it's a tough situation for everyone. You know what really pissed me off about that thing, Tom, because I know you want to say something, is the fact that allegedly you've done all this stuff and getting a text from the girls and all that stuff. And then you want to come to court and look at the judge and say, "Hey, but can you feel bad for me for a second? My wife is about to have our first dau- was it a daughter? It's like, think about, if this is true, how many daughters have you ruined their lives? And you want leniency so you could put yours into this world? I, I, I'm happy that she's like, "No, no, have your judge talk about it."

• 1:42:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom. So, remember, these are allegations-

• 1:42:43Speaker 03

  Again, that's what I said.

• 1:42:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Under an indictment, and an indictment says, "The government believes there's enough of that evidence-

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:49Patrick Bet-David?

  -to bring against you to get rolling." What I thought was really odd here, I don't, I don't know these guys, and by the way, Adam, when you read like that, you know you're about to get subpoenaed. What you just did, you and that girl are gonna get subpoenaed. And sometimes you don't want to be part of the-

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  Thanks, Tom.

• 1:43:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I'm saying, you are.

• 1:43:06Speaker 03

  I mean, you're in good shape, though.

• 1:43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like, you, you are. It's nothing what I'm saying, there's-

• 1:43:11Speaker 03

  Someone in Miami is probably- Moving on, Tom. Typing it up right now. I was like, technically what you just did was Section 5, Paragraph 3 of the- No, it's like, I got a text message on my phone from a witness. Let me read it to you. Not a witness, a woman who heard something. From friends. Okay, okay. Jesus Christ. Now you've brought her friends into it. So this is gonna be the subpoena party at Adam's house. So, what I was looking at is the judge here. I don't even know what to do with Tom right now. You better wear a value tainment pin in court. Exactly right. And they're gonna bring- No. Tom, Mr. Sosnick, I gotta ask you. Tom mentioned that you were doing battery on the sixth floor.

• 1:43:56Speaker 03

  He'd made it up. No, no, no, but that was- Fabrication of justice. That was your friend that you hit with the Jack Daniels bottle. Get the facts straight. No, what I found odd about this, remember they went through on Diddy case? And Diddy was not given bail. And they said, "We are concerned about his access to the witnesses, and we are concerned about his ability and flight risk." That was the two things. They said, "These are indictments, you know, Mr. Combs is not guilty, and, you know, we're gonna go to trial with this, but we're worried that he has all the capabilities that he would need to be a flight risk, and we don't want him to be out to intimidate witnesses because there's violence that had been involved in this." Remember that?

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  So, in this indictment, you're reading about, when you read false imprisonment, kidnapping, and things like that, you're saying, you know, someone was holding you down, you were being restrained? That's what's in the indictment. The first judge that you saw him, when he was wearing a, I believe that's a bulletproof vest. I think that's a- Yeah, cuz that means, that means parents and fathers and- I don't know, but it appears to be. And so, he's in court with that, and that one judge is saying, "This was dangerous and this was violent." What I'm reading here, my obligation is to deny bail. That's my obligation here.

• 1:45:20Speaker 03

  And so she says, but now a Miami judge comes back and says, oh, well, two million for you, three million for you, and we'll, we'll accept collateral as your dad's house. That just seemed to be odd to me that bail was granted in this case.

• 1:45:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think it was? Is it because they're known in Miami?

• 1:45:38Speaker 03

  I, I wonder. They must, first of all, they've got the best of the best representing them. They got money. Whoever that is. They got money. They've got the best criminal attorney that money can buy in Miami because they've got the money to get that person. And by the way, if you have the money, you want the best that there is. Because hey, I'm under indictment. I'm not guilty until we go to court and the jury decides. And so it's kind of weird that they get bail and Diddy doesn't. When they've got access to aircraft, they've got a lot of money and the indictment contains multiple references to foreign countries.

• 1:46:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  Where they, some of the stuff took, allegedly took place.

• 1:46:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:46:19Speaker 03

  So wouldn't you think, oh, they could just hop a plane to a foreign country? They have the capability to do that.

• 1:46:26Patrick Bet-David?

  He's at a three-rounder?

• 1:46:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. So you know what's interesting to me? So pull up this guy, Darren Sharper. Do you guys remember who that guy was?

• 1:46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Football player?

• 1:46:36Speaker 03

  Football player.

• 1:46:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:37Speaker 03

  Do you know what happened with him? Denver Broncos? Uh, he was with New Orleans Saints. Do you remember this guy? Pull up an image of this guy. This is the most interesting thing to me. And this is kind of a Bill Cosby type thing. Uh, here's this guy. He was in a Super Bowl. Um, he won a Super Bowl.

• 1:46:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He was a stud at his time.

• 1:46:55Speaker 03

  He was a stud. He was a pro bowler. Super good looking guy. Maybe find a better looking picture. Uh, this guy could get any chick he wanted. He's a NFL player living in Miami. And a girlfriend of mine was actually seeing him at one point. This is 10. Plus years ago and I'll never forget this story. I swear to God. You're gonna get subpoenaed again, so be careful. All I can do is be honest and tell the truth and be radically transparent. She says, uh, yeah, last night I hung out with, uh, so and so, um, this guy. I said, okay, uh, she goes, I don't feel so good today. Uh, and we were having lunch. I was dating her friend at the time. And, uh, we're having lunch. She goes to the bathroom, pukes.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  She comes back and go, what's going on? She, I just said, I don't feel so good. We, we know nothing. We don't have a reason why. And then she starts telling me, yeah, you know, I see him every once in a while, you know, you know, I think we're dating. And I just said, listen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be just straight up with you. You ain't his girl. You're on his roster, straight up. What do you mean? We like each other. I'm just letting you know. I know who he is. I know he runs with, you're just a, you're a, you're one of the chicks on his roster, straight up. You're on the bench. I don't know if you're on the starting five. Turns out, lo and behold, this guy was drugging and raping women all throughout Miami. And he went to jail for how many years, Robert? I don't know if you can find it. But why would you need to do that is my point. Sick, you're, you're a problem.

• 1:48:22Speaker 03

  How many years? Thirty years. Thirty years. Shit. Okay, this is because of the NFL Pro Bowler, Super Bowl winner, good looking guy, absolute stud. Why? Sick. You're sick. You're sick and the devil got you. There's some powers, something, there's some power. Yeah, this four states that he was. I don't know, Tom. I'm not trying to get subpoenaed by your opinions here, guy. It's evil. But what I'm saying is, you don't need to do that. Why do you resort to these measures? These Alexander brothers, look at the pictures, these twins, good looking guys, millionaires. The twins are obviously the two on the left and in the middle. The other guy looks scary. Good looking guys, right? The other guy looks great. The other guy looks crazy. He fits the profile. If I had to guess. I'm here. So Orrin is in the middle, uh, Alana's on the left, tall, who's the second. Oh, that, Adam, do you know anything about that?

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  When you're, when you're rich, when you're good looking, you don't need to do this. Yeah, but that's. So it makes me wonder something, especially, and this is all allegations. What's going on in the family? I was just gonna ask the fam. Not one, not two, not three, are all doing this? Are they, how is their, like, who are, who are their parents? Who are these guys' parents? Are they, are they known? They're not known. They're just real estate developers and they also own a security company. The biggest thing to me is like, why do this? You don't need, they, they, I mean, I'm just gonna say this because it's all out there. And there was a yearbook story about when they graduated. High school about they said my favorite memory from high school is when we used to play with choo choo trains.

• 1:49:46Speaker 03

  AKA like read the lines between there. There's something weird going on here. Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby was America's dad. He was the most famous guy on TV. Any girl would have slept with him. Why drug with it? I don't understand. I don't get it.

• 1:50:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You cross the line a little bit. Anybody would have slept with Bill Cosby? No, no, no, no, but but look, I get I get what you're saying. This guy, my story with this guy was he just gave me vibes of the types of people that were the annoying rich kids in high school that we were looking at, we were looking at a property in Boca. He comes up to show it to us. It's a $25 million property. It's a beautiful property. I think I even took you one time to see the property. And then I made an offer, whatever. I made a, they had it at 25 million. I made a $16 million offer. He comes back and lowers it to 24 5. It's an asshole move. Guess what I said? I'm out. So then they start calling saying, no, no, no, no, no, they're open. They're I'm like, I'm out.

• 1:50:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm telling you, I'm out. Okay. And then

• 1:50:50Patrick Bet-David?

  another lady who is very well known in Palm Beach as a realtor, she says, hey, would you entertain a $20 million offer? I said, I would entertain a $20 million offer. She says, well, you know, they're saying they would like, but now they're saying 22 5. I said, I'm out. I just told you guys, you keep playing games. This guy plays game, not my type of guy. When he said the event we went to, I didn't go to an event with him. Ken Golden, who invited us to a a, a, a, an event to look at couples Spider-Man, uh, what do you call it?

• 1:51:22Speaker 03

  It was like baseball cards.

• 1:51:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, like Honda Jaguar cards. And I went to a collectible event that others were there. And he comes up and he says, man, you missed out on the opportunity. I said, don't tell me you missed out. You just sold it for 17 million. I was right. He's like, oh, oh, oh, no, no, no. I said, so you're that guy?

• 1:51:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're him.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know this guy. I know nothing about the credibility of this. What I do know the credibility of being a, you know, that Spoiled brat, whatever, whatever, that, you know, annoying types of guys that you are, I mean, listen, if you're telling me this stuff, stories, 40 cases, we spend more time on this story than we need to. There's a couple of stories here, for whoever's watching. Okay, because let's see whatever the lesson is. How painful that is on the father? You know how painful this is on the father and the family? Think about the pain of the father, like how hard you've worked to build this legacy? And now every dinner he goes to, every restaurant he goes to, everywhere they go, employees, executive, investors. "How are your sons?"

• 1:52:23Patrick Bet-David?

  "I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry." The last 10 years of his life, whatever age this man is, he's gonna be living with this? Let's just say these habits weren't passed on from him. Okay, and they picked it up from others. That is a very painful experience for parents to be going through. And on top of that, guys, some of you guys that are watching this, you're younger, you're 18, 22, 25, whatever age you are, dude. It's end of the year, guess what? Check your friends list. Fire the bottom 50% who have bad habits. You're one bad event away from getting caught in some stupid events like this as well. It's time to fire half of your friends, the bottom third needs to go.

• 1:53:08Patrick Bet-David?

  If the attitudes are not in the right place, if they're not living by the right values and principles, if they're screwing up, if they're doing drugs, if they're doing some stupid things,

• 1:53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  eliminate those friends, they can destroy your life. One bad association in your life can destroy your life. I've seen it happen one too many times.

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  One quote, my favorite quote of all time is Jack Bogle, he says, this guy built Vanguard, the biggest asset manager.

• 1:53:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Multi billionaire.

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  Multi billionaire, when he died in his late 90s, they said, "What's your one wish?" He said, "I wish that when I die, my reputation stays intact." No matter what you do in life, you're, what they say in Gladiator, it echoes through eternity.

• 1:53:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  This is your name forever now.

• 1:53:47Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, so let's, let's move on. Okay, let's go to the next one until the, we got a few people here outside about to do, you know, more. But let's, so Dow plunges more than 1100 points and marked its longest streak since 1974. A CNN story here, and this happens when, right after they cut the rate. So the Dow Jones drops 1123, 2.6%, marking its 10th consecutive losing session. The longest streak since 74, President Gerald Ford. This follows the Federal Reserve's projection of only two interest rate cuts in 2025 compared to previously anticipated four. Jay Hatfield, CEO of Infrastructure Capital Advisor, described the Fed's actions as hawkish cut. A signal and prolonged tight monetary conditions.

• 1:54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  The S and P 500 and Nasdaq Composite dropped 3% and 3.6%. Damn, respectively as investors retracted, reacted to.

• 1:54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The Fed shared Jerome Powell's comments. Futures data showed a dramatic shift in expectations with a 98% predicted chance of a January rate cut plummeting to 6%. Wow, from 98% to 6%, Chris Zacharelli, CIO at Northlight Asset Management, said markets were unwell, underwhelmed by the likely future paths of interest. And while, by the way, while this is taking place, guess what happens with more mortgage rates when this announcement was made? Okay, mortgage rates surged following the Federal Reserve rate cut, with the average lender increasing rates by 0.2%, pushing the top tier conventional 30-year fixed rate back above 7%. The spike was unrelated to the actual cuts as Jerome Powell, we move pretty quickly to get to here.

• 1:55:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think going forward, obviously, we're moving slower. And that is what scared the crap out of everybody. Tom, thoughts?

• 1:55:33Speaker 03

  Well, everybody thought that it was going to be a party that went all the way back down to cheap money. And what the Fed is saying is it's going to be cheaper money at a responsible level. And that responsible is defined by the Fed. One man's responsible is another man's unreasonable. So, okay. So what the Fed did is they came out and said, hey, look, we've given you a full 1%, a quarter, a half, and a quarter. You know, this should really help out businesses. That's a full percentage point down on that. But the mortgages haven't responded because the bond market is following that. And that is because the demand for mortgages is not there. And so there is no incentives for the banks to compete with each other, and there's nothing

• 1:56:18Speaker 03

  to push the bonds down at the moment. And so, right now, it's, I looked this morning for 750 credit on a 30-year fix. I was seeing 6875. So again, just like the article said, almost 7%. And, you know, me and many others were thinking that the end of this year, we could be at 5.875, 6 and 1/8, but it's not happening because the number of homes that are available, the inventory is still down. So if there's not a lot of homes available for sale, then there's not a lot of demand for mortgages. And if there's not a lot of demand for mortgages, why would the banks sort of compete against themselves? And there's nothing to move the bonds.

• 1:57:00Speaker 03

  So for next year, what he's saying, eh, we only see about two cuts. But remember, this year, they were thinking that there could be up to six in the second half of the year, and there's only been four. So tomorrow's another year, and tomorrow's another day. We will see what the economy brings next. We will see what the Secretary of Treasury does when approved and get to put their policies and their tax package together in April. We will see about that. And as of right now, the market was looking forward to really cheap money next year. They are now been spooked. It's a buying signal right now, folks. It is a time, this, to me, talk to your RIA or read your articles and go to your Schwab

• 1:57:45Speaker 03

  account or your Robin Hood account, make your own decision. But usually, a drop like this is a buying signal, because, you know, you've got, the market is spooked, and we're also coming to year-end tax harvesting. So, that's what's going on.

• 1:58:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 1:58:03Speaker 03

  The relationship between Trump and Jerome Powell is a tricky one. So the Fed is supposed to be independent. It's supposed to be apolitical, right? So taking you back for the last couple of decades, you know, Alan Greenspan and Bill Clinton, okay? Separate, all right, good. George W. Bush, Ben Bernanke, Obama, Janet Yellen, and then Trump. He brings in Jerome Powell. And Trump does what Trump does. He stirs the pot. Rob, I actually sent you this. He tweeted about Jerome Powell, his own nominee, who is now chairman of the Fed. He asked the following question. My only question is, who is the bigger enemy?

• 1:58:46Speaker 03

  Jerome Powell or Chairman Xi? Who's the bigger enemy to America? Do you remember when he did this tweet? You can pull it up, Rob. I texted to you, buddy. This was August 23rd of 2019. I texted to you, Rob. So Trump messes with the Fed. And do you know when Powell's term is supposed to be up? It's in May in 2026. There was a hearing where Jerome Powell was speaking. And this is very recent. And they said, Chairman Powell, do you plan on finishing out your term? Do you plan on? If Trump fires you, or if Trump wants to see you go, will you stay? He goes, I'm staying. I'm not leaving. Basically, his version of Wolf of Wall Street. Like, I'm not leaving. I'm not going anywhere right now.

• 1:59:30Speaker 03

  Do you have that? I'm looking for it. I texted to you, buddy. But the point is, whether Trump will replace Powell or not, we'll see what happens. But the Fed is supposed to be independent and apolitical. But Trump does what Trump does and just kind of gets involved. And I don't think that...

• 1:59:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that meeting hasn't happened yet, right? The two of them meeting. And the part you have to realize is that Trump's background is what? How did he make his money?

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  Real estate.

• 2:00:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So there's a few things he did when he became a president. Do you remember the tax write offs, Tom? On how it was limited to a certain amount of money back in it? Like the bigger houses could get a bigger write off. He limit, do you remember that?

• 2:00:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had a trickle down effect because on your, you could only take, it hurt California. Cause you could only take so much of your home interest. Cause the federal government said, no, no, no, there's going to be a limit of how much interest deduction and property tax exemption.

• 2:00:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Which hurt rich people.

• 2:00:29Speaker 03

  In blue states.

• 2:00:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Which hurt rich people in blue states. So you're kind of like, whoa, what was that all about? I thought, you know, you're a rich real estate guy that understand us other rich people. So this whole thing about all the things he does is about rich. He, it's not necessarily a hundred percent true. He understands real estate. The other thing that's going to be happening is the following. Remember this.

• 2:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you cause Congress to pay attention? How do you cause certain laws to change? How do you cause certain cities to pay attention? The other day, Sonos, which the worst update ever. I love Sonos until they did this recent change and even their own employees don't like what Sonos was doing. I got online and I'm like, look, this is the worst thing ever. I said, what's a good replacement? There was another tweet I put before this because I first gave him an opportunity when I asked about Sonos. So I asked about something about Sonos. I said, hey, Sonos, I'm having a hard time with this upgrade. Can somebody help me out? Is anyone else having problems with Sonos? We love Sonos and had it all at our home and latest absolute sucks. And we can only listen to Sonos radio and not our own music. Even our local AV companies can't fix it.

• 2:01:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Does anyone know how to fix it? Sonos reaches out to me. I give a phone number to call and email. They don't follow up for one week. So then finally I put this next tweet. What's a good replacement to Sonos? We're getting rid of all our Sonos products at our buildings. Their app, new app sucks. Customer service is lazy, fake at best. Not surprised by their market cap dropped from five billion in 2021 to 1.7 billion today. Look at the amount of views it gets, it gets one million. So then they start responding to other people bitching about Sonos. And the people say, don't respond to me. If you can't fix PBD Sonos system, what are you gonna do with mine? I don't trust you, right? So they're kind of going through this. Eventually, the guy calls, talks to Jen, they fixed the Sonos system. It's pretty complicated.

• 2:02:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But the guy was able to help out. And the guy that's helping Jen out says, hey, just to be honest with you, we are not fans of the new update. It's making us have to work twice as hard because it was easier to work before. So even Sonos knows that, right? But guess what? Public pressure got Sonos to pay attention to a couple of these updates and do something about it. When one of Trump's next three to-do list becomes interest rates, you're gonna see Jerome Powell get the kind of pressure he's never gotten from millions of people to lower rates. You'll see. And you know when I predict that'll happen? Q2 of next year. Q2. End of Q1, beginning of Q2 next year, you're gonna see Trump put the kind of pressure on Jerome Powell you've never seen before.

• 2:03:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, that's my, and it's gonna be Elon, Vivek, you know, Trump, everybody. It's gonna be everybody going after it. Uh, similar to what happened with Justin Trudeau, that he says, hey, man, I may be stepping down. It's gonna be that kind of pressure. Tom?

• 2:03:18Speaker 03

  Well, remember you said we're gonna have the year of investigation?

• 2:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:21Speaker 03

  And all that. Q2 of next year, I agree with you, Pat, because I have flagged that. And I mean, I've just in my mind, as you were sitting here, I've come up with a word for it. Q2 of next year, April 1st to June 30th, after everybody's been confirmed and the new tax plan then, I think this is going to be the quarter of change. And I think there's gonna be massive changes in so many areas. And I, or it's gonna be the quarter of coping, right? It's gonna be the quarter of coping because all the cabinet members are gonna be in there pushing buttons, moving levers and doing things. But Q2 of next year, we're gonna have a year of Washington DC just in Q2 of next year.

• 2:04:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, change is coming. It's just right now, they're sitting there and they're like, we don't need to give Powell pressure right now, but we will soon. But not right now. Let's kind of let him enjoy Christmas.

• 2:04:12Speaker 03

  You think he's gonna keep his job until, uh, May of 2026?

• 2:04:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I think he can keep his job, but he, he, you know, he needs to kind of play ball. If he doesn't, he's gonna get a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure. Let me get to the next story here. Pornhub. Tom, you ready? Set to block all Floridians from assessing, accessing their site on January 1st. Now, keep in mind, we had the new owners of Pornhub on, Solomon Friedman, and another one of their people, but then I had Leila Mickelwate, from, uh, the, the lady who is from, Rob, what is that website called for Leila Mickelwate?

• 2:04:48Speaker 03

  Trafficking Hub?

• 2:04:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Traffickinghub.com. She got nearly 2.5 million signatures to prevent access Pornhub, because a bunch of videos that were there from teenagers and all this other stuff. They used to have 54 million videos. I think they removed 91, 94% of the videos. They're down to like 5 million videos left on Pornhub. Which Adams watched every single one of them. Well, I mean, listen. I don't watch porn. It's extremely competitive, but Pornhub, owned by ALO, will block all Florida users starting January 1st. New law HB3 requiring adult websites to verify users' ages via photo ID or face $50,000 fine. ALO stated that complying with similar laws such as Louisiana

• 2:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  led to an 80% traffic drops as users, and I told the owner, I said, "It's gonna drop 90%." Because what I asked them is, I said, "Here's what you need to do." They said, "We're not gonna do that." Turn to unregulated sites, which don't take user safety seriously and make the internet more dangerous for adults and, and children. Florida joins other states like Texas, Idaho, and Oklahoma in being blocked by Pornhub over laws. ALO emailed, uh, noted, "These people did not stop looking for porn. They just migrated to dark corners of the internet, underscoring the ineffectiveness of the law." Rob, do you have a clip of, uh, what's going on with Pornhub? I thought, I thought you, I mean, last time we went to Pornhub, we can't, Rob, we can't go to Pornhub.com again. That was a problem. But go ahead and go to this clip here. Heyo!

• 2:06:14Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Sherida Bill. As you may know, your elected officials have required us to verify your age before granting you access to our website. While safety and compliance are at the forefront of our mission, giving your ID card every time you want to visit an adult platform is not the most effective solution for protecting our users. And in fact, we'll put children- and your privacy at risk. In addition, mandating age verification without proper enforcement gives platforms the opportunity to choose whether or not to comply. As we've seen in other states, this just drives traffic to sites with far fewer safety measures in place.

• 2:06:54Speaker 05

  Very few sites are able to compare to the robust trust and safety measures we currently have in place. In order to protect children and user privacy, any legislation must be enforced against all platforms offering adult content. The safety of our users is one of our biggest concerns. However, the best and most effective solution for protecting children and adults alike is to identify users by their device and allow access to age-

• 2:07:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, question for you guys. Adam, I'll come to you first. You know, as somebody who specializes in this website for you, do you think this is this is a fair decision to make to have people show their ID before they're gonna watch some porn?

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  On this particular site?

• 2:07:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Any site.

• 2:07:44Speaker 03

  Okay, this is gonna shock you guys, but I do the real thing in real life. I don't have to resort to these drastic measures. However, I do have some stats for you.

• 2:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell us.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  By the way, to answer your question before you say, what's your point? If you're interested in watching porn, you're gonna find it one way or another.

• 2:08:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That is true.

• 2:08:02Speaker 03

  Like whether that's this site or the other site, I don't even know.

• 2:08:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's the discussion I had with Leila Mickle, to say, if they don't go to Pornhub, they're gonna go somewhere. My concern is the underage videos that you have, you know, that somebody is selling to them. How do you get rid of all of that? And the Pornhub CEO and the lady that was here, they couldn't answer that. Weird.

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  I don't know, but what I will tell you is, as I always say here, FTM, follow the money. Here's a little fun stat for you. The porn industry generates more money per year than the NFL, the NBA, and MLB combined. Almost $100 billion a year. LeBron James, Steph Curry, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Judge, no.

• 2:08:47Speaker 03

  Pornos. So 93% of boys and 62% of girls watch porn before turning 18, according to US stats. 69% of men and 40% of women watch porn each year. 44% of men and 11% of women have watched porn in the last month. Here's the thing with porn though, and I said this all the time, that um, men, specifically young men that watch porn, it's a quick dopamine fix, I would assume, right? But the numbers show that you're destined to be lonelier, more insecure, more dissatisfied, more dissatisfied, more anxiety, more depressed. So it's sort of like a get rich quick thing. In the end, it doesn't help you at all. So put down the phone and get out there in real life, gentlemen.

• 2:09:33Speaker 03

  Tom.

• 2:09:35Speaker 03

  Well, Adam just talked about, you know, reality, and that is the reality, that porn doesn't help. So that's all I'll say about that. I think everybody knows where I stand. When it comes to enforcement, I mean, let's just say this is like a speed limit law, and they're only going to pull over people with Corvettes.

• 2:09:59Speaker 03

  But the Ferraris and Lamborghinis and the Porsches are still, you know, doing 80 miles an hour on I-95. But if you're in a Corvette, we're gonna pull you over. And so I do agree that if they're going to enforce this, because minors are getting access to it, um, then they gotta, they gotta find a way to make it universal. But it's very hard to do that with the dark web and a VPN. You know, you know, that's, that's all there is to it. Um, so you, you either have to play, you know, you know, whack-a-mole, where you're Whack! I love when you put whack in there.

• 2:10:40Speaker 03

  Where you're trying to shut down everyone, right? Or you've got to make a universal way to do it, and no one is gonna like universal porn enforcement, because it's gonna give the government a tool that they could use to say, well, that Does it. We now need universal conservative religious enforcement and we need free speech enforcement. The pendulum swings when the wrong person is in the White House or in power someday and they will use that tool. So that makes me nervous. Right now. Tom, you're making me nervous. Forget that it's Pornhub. Forget that all the stuff that's there. This is one company in an industry that is being pulled over for speeding.

• 2:11:24Speaker 03

  And being told, now you have to put a rev limiter on your car, da, da, da. Meanwhile, there's all these other companies freely operating out there. So what do you do about that? You really know your status.

• 2:11:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You can use the word whack-a-mo on a lot of different stories. When we're talking Pornhub, you say whack-a-mo. And then tools. I just don't think it's appropriate. Vinny, go ahead.

• 2:11:45Speaker 03

  And the horizontal mambo. I thought I was saying whack-a-ho.

• 2:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, whack-a-ho.

• 2:11:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I kind of, I agree with Tom in that, like, like, listen, showing your ID to watch porn when you can watch it anywhere else. By the way, first, I'm still confused. Who spends money on these sites? If you want to go to a porn site, you just put something and you just.

• 2:12:06Speaker 03

  Vinny's gonna hit him with the save that money vibe.

• 2:12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Save that money, but here's the thing, showing your ID.

• 2:12:11Speaker 03

  More money than the NFL, man.

• 2:12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  That attach, yeah, that's insane. That attaches your face, your name, your identification to what you're watching. Who knows what the hell they're gonna do with that? But my thing goes to what you were talking about, Pat. Is that if they can't crack down on the underage people that are on there and having sex, then that's, I mean, that's just, it's just evil to me all around. You don't need to be watching, like Adam said, why are you watching people have sex? Go have it your damn self. Yeah. Okay. So let's go to the next story. 14 detained.

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  Not until marriage though, guys. Come on, everyone knows that.

• 2:12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  14 detained in armed Aurora, Colorado, home invasion or likely illegal gang members. Rob, if you have a clip, I'll read this and we can go to Aurora Police. Is this, is this the gentleman that's speaking? He is. Go ahead and play this clip here, Rob. It was a male and a female. They were accosted by approximately 13 to 15 armed individuals. And they were pistol whipped, they were beat, they were mistreated.

• 2:13:04Speaker 05

  The male was actually stabbed, he had a stab wound. So, does that fall in the category of torture for me? Yeah, it does. There is a high assumption that they may be affiliated or affiliated with the TDA gang. I had a discussion with an individual from the White House. And that occurred back on September the 23rd, I believe. And that person basically told me that, hey, once these immigrants get across the border, that's all we really care about. And to me, that's a problem. Wow, those are powerful words. That was the police chief in Aurora, Colorado detailing a nightmare inside the walls of an apartment complex known to be home to members of that notorious Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua. More than a dozen suspects breaking into an apartment where they tied up, pistol-whipped,

• 2:13:49Speaker 05

  and even stabbed two innocent victims. I can barely believe it as we say it.

• 2:13:55Speaker 03

  Tom. Wow. So, the gangs that didn't exist, that weren't squatting in apartments, that was overblown and was a fake story like people eating cats in Ohio, turns out to be real. Oh, my goodness. And during the election season, they said this was overblown and this was BS and this is conservative. Guess what? How many times do we need to see things coming true to really lose your mind over this? This is disgusting. You know, this is the police chief saying, "I called the White House to talk about it

• 2:14:39Speaker 03

  and they said, 'Well, all we wanted them is over the border.'" You know what? This is a pre- you know what? This is what they want. They want to get rid of the Electoral College. They want it to just be popular vote and they want to import votes. If they can't manufacture votes, then manufacture citizens. Yeah, I'll just give a little flip angle to this thing. Shout out to the police, man. I mean, shout out to the Boys in Blue and our men and women in law enforcement. What they have to deal with on a daily basis. Amen to that. We have no frickin' idea. Whether it's legal gangs, you know, American citizen gangs, Bloods and Crips, whatever it is, whether it's illegal, this Tren de... Aragua. Aragua, whether it's MS-13, how do you say it? Marasada Trucha? Okay.

• 2:15:24Speaker 03

  The police, they put their life on the line every single day. And just, this is coming from someone who wasn't exactly always a fan of the boys in blue, because my only incidents with cops was when I used to have a car back in the day, I got pulled over and got traffic tickets. I'm like, oh shit.

• 2:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  When you were part of that.

• 2:15:40Speaker 03

  And I was part of that.

• 2:15:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Jewish gang.

• 2:15:41Speaker 03

  Gang gang. But they put their life on the line every single day and they have to deal with these criminal gangs who shouldn't even be in the frigging country. So, respect to the police. Well, Adam, you're gonna, you're gonna meet them soon, because Tom put you on blast. They're actually outside waiting for you to do a deposition. But, um, you know what's critical about the situation? I plead the fifth. Yeah, Tom, you mentioned it, is Donald J. Trump specifically mentioned this during the debate in September with David Muir and what was the other girl? Um, Lindsey Davis. He said this exact thing and they both fact-checked him live with Kamala and they're like, no, no, no, he's lying. Okay? Now, the facts are undeniable and I mentioned this earlier with John, who was on here.

• 2:16:23Speaker 03

  Guys, this all stems back, all these problems, every problem we have with illegals raping our freaking women, with fentanyl poisonings, with gangs literally taking over apartment complexes like, like, like, like they're invading a country, okay? All the illegals. Now, who knows what's in here? How many? I guess they said, um, I saw the, a podcast, over a thousand. This girl's an intelligence agent. She said, "There's over a thousand Al Qaeda members in the United States and they're just waiting for the sign. This all goes back to Alejandro Mayorkas, Pat, and out of enemies." That's my number one most despised person in our government, because Biden has no idea what's going on. It's Alejandro Mayorkas when he sits there with that, with that stupid look, because he knows,

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  he knows what he's doing and we're gonna pay the price. We're gonna pay the price. I believe that guy belongs in frigging prison for, he, that guy right there has single-handedly make us, made us unsafe. He's, he's, people have died because of him and I hope to God, he doesn't get the protection that Fauci has for the rest of his life, because they're gonna protect this guy, because he needs it, because of what he's done to this country, Pat. That's enemy number one, is that guy right there.

• 2:17:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, accountability is on its way.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  Oh, I hope to God.

• 2:17:36Patrick Bet-David?

  The right people are hired that are gonna be trying to get to the bottom of this. Uh, folks, protect your families, take care of them. This, uh, holiday season, Christmas season, when you're with them, do your part to offer that protection, the relationship. Give them a kiss, give them a hug, enjoy that time together. We will not be doing another podcast till after, no, we have one more, uh...

• 2:18:00Speaker 03

  I thought we were doing remote stuff.

• 2:18:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, hang on one second.

• 2:18:02Speaker 03

  Okay, my bad.

• 2:18:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I have an interview that I'm doing later on today. Is that going live tomorrow, Rob, or when is that going?

• 2:18:07Speaker 03

  No, that's gonna take some time, because we're gonna have to translate that.

• 2:18:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh, oh, because of the individual and who it is.

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  Exactly, but we will be back live Thursday. I believe that is the 26th or 27th of next week.

• 2:18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, the day after Christmas is when we're gonna be doing it. You'll get the details, we'll give it to you, we'll do it.

• 2:18:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But between now and then, expect that interview to come out, it'll be epic. I think it'll come out most likely Monday. And, uh, everybody else, Merry Christmas, enjoy the time with your family, go play steward with your Christmas gear, last shop and order shipping and handling today, so it comes pre-Christmas. God bless everybody, take care, bye-bye, bye-bye.

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