The Truth

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find In a candid and respectful conversation, Channing and Fred open up and explain how they arrived at this point and the reason behind The Pivot of leaving their former show, I Am Athlete. Sometimes things just don't work out - as Fred explains to Ryan Clark, the behind the scenes moves that lead them to this decision. The three men discuss business and how pivoting is a part of life and at some point we all have to make tough decisions and change directions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  He's down there? Okay, the gang's all back together. What up, my guy? You got the queen? Dog from here. Dog, they got a new shirt. You got a new shirt, dog?

• 0:43Fred Taylor?

  That's his twin.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  They gave my dog a new shirt?

• 0:47Speaker 01

  I'm fired up for you right now. I had to start it off with it. I can let y'all know what I'm talking about.

• 0:52Fred Taylor?

  I'm gonna leave you alone, bro. Yes, sir. You know how I go. That's that good money, that check.

• 1:20Fred Taylor?

  Do you know how to use FaceTime? See what happened?

• 1:24Speaker 01

  What that is, eight?

• 1:26Fred Taylor?

  I got it.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  I just know it got the little one camera on the back, so I know that joint ain't updated.

• 1:33Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, bruh.

• 1:37Channing Crowder?

  What it is, man?

• 1:39Speaker 01

  I'm chilling, sitting here watching the game.

• 1:42Channing Crowder?

  You got the 86 kid on the way? Is he here?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Right, right here. Almost here. Where y'all at?

• 1:49Channing Crowder?

  We bout to crank up the pivot.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Like that kind of period.

• 1:53Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, if they lean left, we going right. They lean right, we going left.

• 1:57Ryan Clark?

  Off the backboard, though.

• 1:58Channing Crowder?

  That's what we do. The fellas all here, bruh. Hold on, let me swing you around.

• 2:02Fred Taylor?

  You're not working the phone, bruh?

• 2:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man, the fellas all here.

• 2:05Fred Taylor?

  Papi Ocho. No, we gotta call you Papi Nueve now. Nueve, hey, hey.

• 2:13Channing Crowder?

  What's up, bro?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  I'm not chilling.

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  What up? I know you like these colors too. You saw them for a long time.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to, I used to run through them colors all the time.

• 2:21Ryan Clark?

  You was a lot, you used to be signing peace treaties for the game, man. Hey, you was in, you, hey, you, you was in daddy mode a long time before this, man. You was sitting down chilling.

• 2:30Channing Crowder?

  He didn't want to see you, RC. That's what I hear. He didn't want to see you.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Man, listen, I would have ran, I would have ran Ryan King over like I did Ray Lewis.

• 2:38Ryan Clark?

  We know how that worked out, my boy. Take care home, dawg.

• 2:42Channing Crowder?

  We, we all saw that deal, bruh. But it's cool, man. You look good. You look happy.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, yeah, I'm always happy. I don't really, I don't really have too many down days out of three hundred and sixty-five of them. I might have one or two bad ones, other than that, you know, I'm good.

• 2:57Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay. After you, you know,

• 3:00Ryan Clark?

  You straighten up.

• 3:00Channing Crowder?

  Get the baby, straighten up, get the baby right, you will come over here and fool with us.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I'm, I'm coming, I'm coming there and rock with you, man.

• 3:07Fred Taylor?

  He still on the budget?

• 3:09Channing Crowder?

  I got you.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  We don't have, we don't have a good time.

• 3:11Channing Crowder?

  I see. Why you always rubbing that hair like something gonna come up? That hair bald for sure.

• 3:16Ryan Clark?

  He say Deion grew it and LeBron been holding on to it for ten years.

• 3:21Channing Crowder?

  Don't do LeBron.

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  Hey, anything is possible.

• 3:23Channing Crowder?

  Don't let the pat come with LeBron.

• 3:24Ryan Clark?

  You heard Kevin Garnett.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  No, I, no, I grew up full set of hair. I just, I just keep it shaved because I don't like makeup.

• 3:31Channing Crowder?

  Because you think you sexy?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  I, oh, I'm sexy, like, I'm, I'm like, I'm like a high six without a hair丝.

• 3:37Channing Crowder?

  You a six?

• 3:38Speaker 01

  A solid six. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a high eight.

• 3:42Channing Crowder?

  I'm about a nine and a half. If my teeth was right, I'd be a ten.

• 3:45Ryan Clark?

  Oh, Lord.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  I, I, I don't judge though. I don't judge being, but, listen, I, I can only, I only try to speak for myself, man. You know, I'm a, I'm a good. Yeah, a high, a high eight.

• 4:03Channing Crowder?

  A, a strong eight. Well, that's good.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  My baby said I'm a ten, my bad.

• 4:09Channing Crowder?

  Oh, let her take whatever she want.

• 4:10Ryan Clark?

  That's all that matters though.

• 4:11Channing Crowder?

  You ain't no damn ten. You, you need to change. Give me the change if I give somebody dime on your ass.

• 4:18Ryan Clark?

  I ain't gonna lie. I'll take this, I'll take this hard twelve, I feel like, right now, I didn't know.

• 4:23Channing Crowder?

  But y'all let, man, let that baby be right, man. We gonna catch you soon, bro.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Alright, I got you, I got you. I got, I'ma, I'ma bring the baby on the show with me.

• 4:31Channing Crowder?

  Sherri, Sherri ain't with that, is it?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  You gotta remember, I'm a stay-at-home dad now.

• 4:34Fred Taylor?

  Ay, yo.

• 4:35Channing Crowder?

  Listen here. You need some hap-

• 4:37Fred Taylor?

  We gonna, we gonna send you some of these. Happy dad to go with your attitude.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Hey, what's in there?

• 4:44Fred Taylor?

  It'll keep you happy in the house.

• 4:45Ryan Clark?

  And the way you do it, you need a lot of it.

• 4:49Channing Crowder?

  We got it, bruh. I'll ask you, man, congratulations, big dog.

• 4:53Ryan Clark?

  Congrats, fam.

• 4:54Channing Crowder?

  Yes, sir.

• 4:54Fred Taylor?

  See you in a minute.

• 4:55Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Fred Taylor?

  That boy do anything to save money.

• 5:01Fred Taylor?

  Did you see him doing the ultrasound, where he say he gonna deliver the baby? What's the over-under? You think he's serious? I mean, if, if, if it was allowed by law, you think he would try?

• 5:12Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 5:12Channing Crowder?

  To deliver a baby?

• 5:13Ryan Clark?

  I think he tried.

• 5:14Fred Taylor?

  I think he'll try.

• 5:15Ryan Clark?

  I think he tried, cause he believes he can. Like, that's the difference. It's not, it's not necessarily just about saving the money. See, we wouldn't try because we don't believe we can. Ocho believe he can actually do that.

• 5:26Channing Crowder?

  That's, that's, that's that dummy confidence.

• 5:28Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Fred Taylor?

  I mean, you gotta have that sometime.

• 5:31Channing Crowder?

  That's that dummy confidence.

• 5:32Ryan Clark?

  Fred, no you don't.

• 5:32Fred Taylor?

  The highlight when he ran into Ray.

• 5:34Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 5:34Fred Taylor?

  Right? You have to, you have to have an out-of-body experience every now and then. You know what I'm saying?

• 5:40Ryan Clark?

  Nope, I don't.

• 5:41Fred Taylor?

  Come on, bro.

• 5:42Ryan Clark?

  I don't.

• 5:42Fred Taylor?

  You have to. You have to convince yourself that you can do anything. And, and, and I think it really should have been Ocho versus everything, cause he does everything. Video gaming.

• 5:55Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 5:55Fred Taylor?

  Right?

• 5:56Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 5:56Fred Taylor?

  He, he gets out there and he plays soccer.

• 5:59Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 5:59Fred Taylor?

  He boxes.

• 6:00Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:00Fred Taylor?

  He's talking about delivering babies.

• 6:03Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, listen.

• 6:04Fred Taylor?

  So, for me, it's Ocho- Against everything.

• 6:08Channing Crowder?

  Against the world.

• 6:08Ryan Clark?

  It's Ocho, it's Ocho against everything, but it ain't gonna be Ocho against that baby.

• 6:13Fred Taylor?

  Did he really used to tell y'all love though?

• 6:15Ryan Clark?

  No, absolutely not. Listen, man, Ocho used to be out there signing peace treaties before the game. You know how it is, he won't shake hands, he won't hug, hey, RC, none of that today. You know what I'm saying? Then he won't run the post route and give you seventeen steals, three sticks. You know what I mean? And eight moves. But by that time, you know, we had James and all them on Carson Palmer anyway. It didn't even matter, you know what I mean? But, like, you talk about baby do anything. Listen, I try to stick to the stuff I do well. You know what I mean? And the stuff I can't do well, you find other people that can.

• 6:44Fred Taylor?

  A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

• 6:46Channing Crowder?

  We here, man, we here. Two of my, two of my favorite people in the world. Most intriguing humans in life.

• 6:53Fred Taylor?

  You thought I was gonna let you leave me, huh?

• 6:56Channing Crowder?

  You, you, you gonna, you gonna jump on me, Fred? You gonna jump on me? Freak, freak out, that what he do, that what he do, RC. I'm gonna let you know, he gonna jump on you. But we here now. We got to this point, and we gotta speak on how we got here. We gotta speak on what happened.

• 7:12Ryan Clark?

  I think, from the outside looking in, my first thought would be was, y'all had a good thing going. And not just a, not just a good thing, you know what I'm saying? It was starting to transcend what it started. It was getting outside of Fred Taylor, it was getting outside of Channing Crowder, outside of anybody who was there. So I think the question for all the people would be, what happened?

• 7:34Fred Taylor?

  You know, let me jump at it, Chan. You know, I mean, we were all in the pandemic, right? Everybody, you know, all of our lives slowed down. You know, everybody really on the face of the earth. Essentially, we all had to pivot. And, you know, sort of, you know, see how are we gonna handle this thing going forward? You know, we were stockpiling toilet paper and

• 7:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:00Fred Taylor?

  paper towel. We were doing all types of shit. We didn't know what was gonna happen. We just had these conversations about doing something to get out the house. And we ended up doing something special that was a, you know, cultural movement that we all participated in. It is great. Really, in life, man, we all have different visions and aspirations

• 8:23Fred Taylor?

  that don't necessarily add up to You know, the same for for each individual person.

• 8:30Ryan Clark?

  But it's something it's something like that though, fellas, where you feel like, okay, we come together to start this thing and you don't necessarily start it understanding the destination. Right? Everything we've ever done in life has been about a process to get there, right? You started in that process, but then it turns into a phenomenon, right? And and culturally, it turned into something that people like, people like me, people that look like me, women, and now all kind of different genders, colors, all these people are coming to to see y'all because it was real talk. Right? It was, it was about what was going on in the world from a perspective that you couldn't get anywhere else. Right? They weren't putting that on on network TV. And so is it a situation where you feel like, man, you know what?

• 9:14Ryan Clark?

  It's it's so different from what all we want that we have to go a different direction?

• 9:20Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it just moved so fast.

• 9:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Fred Taylor?

  Things move so fast and it evolves so fast that we never, you know, button up our own business.

• 9:28Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 9:29Fred Taylor?

  You know, and we hit a home run.

• 9:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Fred Taylor?

  You know, we hit a home run. We couldn't run fast enough to get back to home plate to get things tightened up. So, you know, throughout the whole process, we were trying to figure it out. You know, in good faith, we were just trying to figure things out. And unfortunately, as black men, we failed in that sense. And I can honestly say, see, the one thing about me, I'm always trying to be transparent. You know, not pointing the fingers at anyone, myself, I'm included in that. You know, I could have done some things differently.

• 10:05Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 10:05Fred Taylor?

  To to what we like to say is button up the business.

• 10:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 10:08Fred Taylor?

  And I I I didn't necessarily take advantage of that. I was moving slow, thinking, no.

• 10:15Ryan Clark?

  It's gonna happen. You think it's gonna get to a point. Right, right. And. Did you see it? Did you see it the same way though?

• 10:20Channing Crowder?

  And and I would say with the whole situation, like, if you look at it with, and this is the thing that that that that that black men now, as we're progressing, and now that we're we're owning business, now that we're, you know, we're entrepreneurs and we're doing things, the business side is coming to us faster and it's more efficient than we're really ready for.

• 10:45Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 10:45Channing Crowder?

  And it's what happened to us. So I would say with, you know, we'll speak on it, that's in the room, you know what I'm saying? The the last podcast we were on with B. Marsh and them. We just, we needed the ideologies of it. The, the foundation of it was different than what we thought it was gonna be.

• 11:02Ryan Clark?

  You're saying as, as it moved forward, it became different? Or when it jumped off at the beginning?

• 11:06Channing Crowder?

  As it blew up, because it was really, like Freddie just said, early on, it was just guys sitting around, just like we talked, like, hey, let's do this, let's do this, RC.

• 11:13Ryan Clark?

  Right, right, right.

• 11:14Channing Crowder?

  Let's mess off. Locker room talk. Let's chop it up and do this. And then as it blew up, the ideologies, the foundation, what we thought it was gonna be, and, and the business side was not what everyone was on the same page with.

• 11:27Ryan Clark?

  Right, for sure.

• 11:28Channing Crowder?

  And that's what happened. You gotta look at the big picture of things. A lot of businesses, there's a lot of people that branch off and do different things. And everybody eats.

• 11:36Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 11:37Channing Crowder?

  And there's, you know, saying, nobody should be upset because you, you've set a standard and you've showed the world what you can do. And I learned so much from IAA. I've learned a lot and, and we moved forward. But the ideologies, I would say, the foundation, the fundamentals of that

• 11:54Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 11:54Channing Crowder?

  wasn't what we wanted to do. Wasn't what we thought was right. And it's not wrong and right, but it was just, it is what it is. And we had to move forward from it.

• 12:03Ryan Clark?

  And so even in that, though, you're saying that people can't be upset. But people are upset, right? If you, like, just being straight up, if you pay attention to what people are asking from, for, now, when they, you know, see an IAA post, right? Or wondering where Fred is, right? Wondering where Channing is, you know? Like, I, I knew y'all from ball.

• 12:26Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 12:26Ryan Clark?

  You see what I'm saying? Like, you were a great player. You were a really good player. Like, that's what I knew. But I, but I got to know the men. And people started to fall in love with the men. Like, they forgot you could run the football. They forgot that you tackled, all those things went away. And it was like, these dudes are teaching. You know what I mean? And so you say the ideologies and the foundations and those things didn't match up anymore. Did it not match up so much, though, that you couldn't fix it? Did you, did you try to fix it? Did y'all try to get it right before saying, you know what? I gotta wash my hands of it and be done?

• 12:58Channing Crowder?

  I don't wanna speak for Freddie, but we, we tried to work it out. We had meetings, just as men, talking about what you need to do on the business side. We had meetings, number of meetings, just as men, and talked about it. And there was, it, it was, it was a disconnect with what we wanted to do. What we thought, we thought the path we were walking down? And there was another path that, you know, B was walking down.

• 13:19Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Channing Crowder?

  And it was, it was just, it wasn't the same path. And as we kept continuing to talk about it.

• 13:23Ryan Clark?

  There's no synergy there.

• 13:24Channing Crowder?

  It was, it was, the synergy started moving apart. And we said, well, we'll move on. And we wished the best. And I think, I, I want to speak to Freddie on this. We wished the best for all of that.

• 13:35Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 13:36Channing Crowder?

  But it's something that we wanted to do differently. And think that we can capitalize on something else because of the fact that the foundation of it, how things were set and how things were established, just wasn't something that I was comfortable with.

• 13:51Ryan Clark?

  Right, so now, like, we were talking about what y'all built, right? The, the cultural phenomenon. Part of that culture is based on the individuals involved. And now there's a gap. You know what I'm saying? Like, now there's a piece missing. Now there's a hole in the world that y'all were a part of building. And, you know, we've been saying pivot. We've been talking about pivoting. And obviously, that's going to be a word we use a lot. So, so what do we do? What do y'all do to fill that gap?

• 14:19Fred Taylor?

  That's one of the processes of life. So if there's ever a gap, you, you, you know, it is a gap.

• 14:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it's, it's something missing.

• 14:27Fred Taylor?

  And, and, you know, basically for me, the gap, you know, is vertical.

• 14:32Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 14:32Fred Taylor?

  Right? And I'll be damned if I come back down.

• 14:36Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 14:36Fred Taylor?

  To try and fill a gap. You know, if you're here, you gotta come up here and match my energy. You gotta come here and meet me there. People ask me, so where's Freddie been? You know, they would say, where's Freaky Fred been? This other stuff. And, uh, you know, basically, for me, it, it started me going on vacation. It had nothing to do with anything. You know, and me and everybody else that was, you know, over at IAA, you know, every, everybody's cool, everybody's cordial. Uh, and I think at some point, I mentioned, you know, one of Coach Belichick's lines, where he said, "Do business as business is being done."

• 15:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Fred Taylor?

  Right?

• 15:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 15:15Fred Taylor?

  And I think we all have to do that in life.

• 15:17Ryan Clark?

  That's real.

• 15:17Fred Taylor?

  And if it isn't, you know, satisfactory to your, your standing or what you believe in personally, you have to pivot. You have to change directions. And, and, you know, even if it takes you, you know, going out on your own and, and whatever risks that are associated with it, you gotta take that.

• 15:35Ryan Clark?

  Is there a fear in that though, Freddie? Cause like, I-

• 15:38Fred Taylor?

  The first. Don't flinch. The first. I was never scared when I, when I put on my helmet to come see y'all. Yeah. I, fuck that, you know what I'm saying? Don't flinch. What? It's part of, it's part of the game. Yeah. It's part of the game of life. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? I remember commercials when D Wade first came to Miami. Right. They had him falling all over the ground. What was it, fall seven times, get up eight, something like that? Yeah. You, he kept getting up. So what's the fear? Right. What, what do you fear? You know, this is a game we all gotta play. We don't know what the, the outcome is gonna be at the end game. But the end game gotta always be, the mindset has to always be the long game. Mm-hmm. So B, his, his, his mindset is entrepreneurship.

• 16:22Fred Taylor?

  And I support that. I'm gonna support, you know, B in everything he does. You know, from, from everything, and I'll say this, from House of Athletes to, to IAA, to everything he's done, that he does. I a hundred percent support that. You know, hell, if I can be invited as a guest, I support that. That's where I wanna be. And, uh, it's just that, you know, I felt that the timing was right and sufficient to go and do our own thing. And, uh, and, and we're here now, and it ain't no looking back, and that's what it is. And, and this is another thing too, is that.

• 17:31Channing Crowder?

  If you think about it, all of us, anybody out there has a job, right?

• 17:37Channing Crowder?

  Your coworkers and your friends, your tight friends, the best men at your wedding, your wedding party and all them. How many people that you work with that are your business partners or your best friends?

• 17:50Ryan Clark?

  Well, even in the locker room, I used to try to explain to people, "All my teammates ain't my friends, all my friends ain't my teammates."

• 17:56Channing Crowder?

  Yes, and to that point where like you know guys that you just play with?

• 18:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Channing Crowder?

  And that you type with? You know guys that you can work with? And you can grind with? And that you just have to be friends with?

• 18:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 18:09Channing Crowder?

  And I would say most of my best friends, my tightest dudes, my aces, the best men, my wedding party, I don't do business with but maybe one or two of them. And it's fine for them. And then my coworkers, they don't get invited to my kids' birthday parties.

• 18:25Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 18:26Channing Crowder?

  And like it's not a knock. And that's the crazy thing. It's not a knock because there are people always in the middle. People that get invited to some parties.

• 18:35Ryan Clark?

  And not all of them.

• 18:36Channing Crowder?

  And not all of them. And there's always in the middle. But if you really think about it, your tight friends to your coworkers, there's two different angles. And the business side of it makes that. And as a businessman, you have to decide that who you deal with? And who you want to do business with? And who you can just vibe with, chill with, drink with, party with?

• 18:55Ryan Clark?

  So what happens when this starts though, right? When it was him? When it was him? Right? Because eventually, eventually that's what everything comes down to, right? We live in a blame world. We don't live in a world without fault. We don't look at things falling apart and accept the fact that things just fall apart and things don't work out sometimes, right? That's not what happens. And so now as y'all move forward, as we make different decisions, as we decide to try different things, how do you move on and then now not be compared to that? Not be, "Why you left that? Why is this no longer?"

• 19:32Fred Taylor?

  We can't control that. First and foremost, like whatever we do in life, no matter how you move?

• 19:37Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 19:38Fred Taylor?

  You can't control the outside noise. And I keep going back to this because it's something that got the Patriots to be a successful, you know, the best team in the last two decades.

• 19:49Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 19:49Fred Taylor?

  Hands down, right? And one thing Coach Belichick would always say, and this will be my last time referencing, you know, that.

• 19:57Ryan Clark?

  I know, man, like you keep talking about. It won't be.

• 20:00Fred Taylor?

  Because.

• 20:02Ryan Clark?

  He gonna bring him up all the time. He gonna bring him up. Like he played there a decade, right? Freddie was there for 18 months. Like he played there a decade.

• 20:10Fred Taylor?

  I wasn't, I wasn't, but that's the thing, right? Success loves consistency.

• 20:16Ryan Clark?

  Correct.

• 20:16Fred Taylor?

  That's what you're gonna get from Coach Belichick.

• 20:18Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 20:19Fred Taylor?

  It loves urgency, it loves speed.

• 20:21Ryan Clark?

  That's what we gotta be, consistent.

• 20:23Fred Taylor?

  100%, right? And I think that when you look at comments and the fans and, you know, where we started, where I, you know, IAA, you know, we have an amazing fan base.

• 20:36Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 20:36Fred Taylor?

  We did something that we, we never thought we were gonna be capable of doing. We just did something just to go out there and pass time and talk our life experiences, and then it evolved.

• 20:46Ryan Clark?

  It felt like therapy, honestly, like watching it.

• 20:48Fred Taylor?

  100%.

• 20:49Ryan Clark?

  Watching it, it felt like therapy.

• 20:50Fred Taylor?

  1,000%, right? You can't get away from that too much.

• 20:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Fred Taylor?

  You know, you can tweak and do this and that, but your core and your base is supposed to be where it's supposed to be, you know what I'm saying? It's supposed to be, the main thing gotta be the main thing.

• 21:03Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 21:04Fred Taylor?

  And that's the same thing that Coach Belichick would basically always say. You know, I, I don't, I don't think that, um, we will get away from that.

• 21:12Ryan Clark?

  So, so exactly, so what now? Right? Like, like we sitting here, uh, obviously they gonna see how it looks, right? They understand, they know who the hell we are, right? They, they've seen us, they've seen us in this world together before.

• 21:26Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, and I'll be honest, you know, just to talk about, about me and, and, and doing this, I remember when, when I got the call, like, hey, you know, RC, do you wanna do the show? And I was like, hell yeah, I wanna do the show. You know what I'm saying? I was like, that sounds like a, that sounds like a good time to me. But it was also too, you wanted to be around that energy, you know what I'm saying? And, and quietness kept. My wife don't really like me to leave the house. You know what I'm saying? And it was during the pandemic and I was like, hell, I've been home two years. You know what I'm saying? And I remember having the conversation, why you gotta go do that? Right? You do TV all the time.

• 22:01Fred Taylor?

  It's crazy you say that. We're gonna come back to that. He said his wife don't like him to leave the house. If some people wife, that's okay with them leaving the house and they agree to it.

• 22:13Channing Crowder?

  They don't like their ass.

• 22:14Fred Taylor?

  Hold on, hold on.

• 22:15Ryan Clark?

  It's not because they don't like him.

• 22:16Fred Taylor?

  Let's get back.

• 22:17Channing Crowder?

  Your wife don't want you. You chanting. They enjoy you walking out the door.

• 22:23Ryan Clark?

  Channing.

• 22:23Channing Crowder?

  That might be Johnny the pool man walking in the back door.

• 22:26Ryan Clark?

  The other thing is though, you the man that just said you like it when people take themselves out of the running from hitting on your old lady.

• 22:32Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like a gay person. I like a gay man. A gay man now, because he ain't gonna try to hit my wife. Fred, only person I care about is somebody that's trying to hit my wife. You wanna have sex with somebody, have sex with him, as long as it's not my wife.

• 22:50Ryan Clark?

  Not your old lady.

• 22:50Channing Crowder?

  Yeah! And if you like boys, my wife is not a boy.

• 22:55Fred Taylor?

  We talking about consistency.

• 22:56Ryan Clark?

  He's consistent with that.

• 22:57Fred Taylor?

  This is one dude.

• 22:58Channing Crowder?

  I'm consistent.

• 22:59Fred Taylor?

  That ain't gonna never change.

• 23:00Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 23:02Ryan Clark?

  But you know what though? Like, like, like, like, that's what you want though. You want people to show up, right? Like when I come to work, I talk about people I work with. And I hate people that do this to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't come in one day and be an a-hole to me and then the next day won't be cool. I don't like that. Right? Like, if we got beef, let's have beef every day. Because I know what I'm walking into. Right? If we rock together, let's rock together every day. And I think that's what, that's what people cling to, right? That's what people, when people show up to see you, they wanna see you be the same every day. I wanna know what the hell you're gonna be thinking and just let you tell me. And I think that's what, that's what y'all have been able to do. But we talking about pivoting, like, this is the next move. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is the, this is the next thing. What do you want this to be?

• 23:47Channing Crowder?

  The name we came up with, the pivot, that's something that we all gotta do in life.

• 23:51Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 23:51Channing Crowder?

  That's something we had to do when we retired.

• 23:53Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 23:53Channing Crowder?

  It's something we had to do when, honestly, early on, we figured out that, damn, we might make it in this football.

• 23:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, you, you gotta pivot. I don't know if y'all thought, I never thought I was gonna make it to the NFL. Even when I went to Florida, I was like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna go get me a degree or something. And then I was like, damn, I'm American. Damn, all SEC.

• 24:14Channing Crowder?

  These might give me some money someday. You know what I'm saying? Right. So I, I even kinda turned it there. But the pivot, what do y'all think is funny? Athletic wise, life wise and all that? What would y'all say y'all's biggest, hardest, most difficult pivot was?

• 24:32Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna let the OG go first. Cause I gotta think about this. I've been through a lot in life.

• 24:36Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I mean, for me it's easy really. I used to be out in them streets heavy. You know what I'm saying? Miami man, out in the clubs, five, six days a week. You know, fucking off, just, just doing things and um. I was, I was right on the edge. You know, my career could have went either way, right? I used to hang out in the, you know, in the hood in Miami. I used to be on the beach. I used to do all types of stuff. But what was most important for me was um, you know, football.

• 25:07Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Fred Taylor?

  You know, I never necessarily took it for granted. But I had my fun and, you know, because I was, my abilities was here.

• 25:16Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 25:16Fred Taylor?

  And I would just show up to the stadium after partying all night. And boom.

• 25:21Channing Crowder?

  Well, it was okay.

• 25:23Fred Taylor?

  No. Whatever, bro.

• 25:24Channing Crowder?

  I used to Ted Fred ass up.

• 25:26Fred Taylor?

  So you're not.

• 25:27Channing Crowder?

  I hit him in the back. I hit him, I hit him square in the back in the preseason game.

• 25:30Ryan Clark?

  You hit him in the back though?

• 25:31Fred Taylor?

  Listen, listen, listen.

• 25:32Ryan Clark?

  But that don't matter? That you hit him in the back?

• 25:34Channing Crowder?

  It made me feel better, cause he's a Hall of Famer.

• 25:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he a Hall of Famer, but he can't, you can't win, he can't see you.

• 25:39Fred Taylor?

  Some things never change. Can I finish?

• 25:42Channing Crowder?

  My bad, my bad.

• 25:43Fred Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 25:43Channing Crowder?

  My bad, Freddie.

• 25:44Fred Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 25:45Channing Crowder?

  I used to tear your ass up.

• 25:46Fred Taylor?

  Now I felt my career was most important.

• 25:48Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 25:49Fred Taylor?

  So what I decided to do was, you know, I started to stay in. Go out less, get more rest.

• 25:53Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 25:53Fred Taylor?

  I changed my nutrition, I changed everything. So that was my pivot, my career took off. So my longevity in my career is basically what got me to where I am now.

• 26:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 26:04Fred Taylor?

  You know, um, some people say I'm the best Jaguar of all time. You know, other people say. I'm not, but I'm I'm 1A or I mean 1B. You know, I think those people have been binge drinking all night. They're crazy.

• 26:17Ryan Clark?

  Right, right, right.

• 26:18Fred Taylor?

  But that's just part of it.

• 26:19Channing Crowder?

  If you 1B, who 1A? Brunel?

• 26:20Fred Taylor?

  No, me. I'm 1A and 1B. Anything associated with number 1, in my mind, that's me.

• 26:26Ryan Clark?

  Oh, so you're Alpha and Omega. Okay.

• 26:27Channing Crowder?

  I was gonna say, but who, but, but who do people argue with you about?

• 26:30Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 26:30Fred Taylor?

  Tony.

• 26:31Ryan Clark?

  I think the, the one thing, the one thing that, that happens though, is I think it's easy, it's easy sometimes to pivot for, for what we consider as glory, right? Like, we all love that game. You know what I mean? Like, I, I sometimes try to sell how hard I worked, as if I wouldn't have worked that hard if they wouldn't pay me. You know what I'm saying? Because I did the same, because in high school, bro, I would, I'd stay by my A.T. during the summer, and I'd ride a bike four miles, if it was raining, if it was sunny, whatever it was, to go to Tuesday, Thursday practices. Like, that, that's what we do. But what's, what's that thing you had to do that you felt like was, was difficult in a way where the gratification wasn't immediate?

• 27:11Fred Taylor?

  You mean in our community?

• 27:12Ryan Clark?

  Community, life.

• 27:14Fred Taylor?

  There's a forced, there's a forced pivot. You really don't know where the next paycheck is coming from. So essentially, there's a forced pivot, right? And that happens a lot in our black community where, you know, you're, you're working this job. Then before you know it, you, you're trying to get comfortable, boom, something hits you, you know, they don't need you. Now you have to adjust on the fly. So for us, you know, our pivots are, are, are, are, is nothing, is minimal. But for the people where it really matters, I think they can dig into and relate to what it's all about to pivot in life.

• 27:49Channing Crowder?

  I think life makes you move. Experiences makes you move.

• 27:52Fred Taylor?

  That's true. I think this particular podcast will allow them to understand that, damn, I've been doing this my whole life, and I haven't even recognized what it is.

• 28:02Channing Crowder?

  Like you said, we were forced, like, to pivot that all of us got to talk, like, retirement.

• 28:06Fred Taylor?

  They don't always have to be bad.

• 28:07Channing Crowder?

  No, they don't, they don't.

• 28:08Fred Taylor?

  They don't always have to be bad.

• 28:09Channing Crowder?

  Like, even with retirement. At some point, all three of us, the NFL said, we do not need you anymore.

• 28:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Channing Crowder?

  We don't need your efforts anymore. We were forced to pivot. We were forced to get out of it and go different, different angles. And you even talking about how society makes you. I would say a decisional pivot, and one of the biggest and most influential things in my life was the pivot to decide to get married.

• 28:35Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I was in Miami. Twenty-one years old.

• 28:39Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Channing Crowder?

  Enjoying Miami.

• 28:41Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 28:41Channing Crowder?

  Partying, everybody knew crowded in Miami, every club, every night, Fifth, Ford's, you know, Crowbar, I can go way back where clubs didn't even exist anymore and they knew me. But the pivot to get married and to put that much, that much thought and that much angle towards my wife and to embrace a family atmosphere. I think that was bigger than anything athletically I ever did.

• 29:07Fred Taylor?

  So with that being said, the Steph Curry news, I don't know when it happened.

• 29:12Channing Crowder?

  The Will Smith and Jada too.

• 29:14Fred Taylor?

  The same thing.

• 29:15Channing Crowder?

  Steph and Aisha, the open marriage thing.

• 29:17Fred Taylor?

  Would you be willing to pivot?

• 29:19Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 29:20Fred Taylor?

  In your house?

• 29:21Ryan Clark?

  Here's what we seem like we're learning too, Channing.

• 29:23Fred Taylor?

  No, no, no.

• 29:23Ryan Clark?

  I don't want him to. But here's what I want to say though.

• 29:26Fred Taylor?

  Put it on Chan. Cause he the wild man.

• 29:27Ryan Clark?

  The names you just mentioned, right, the names you just mentioned, you said Steph, you said Will.

• 29:32Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Ryan Clark?

  They got two things in common, they both light-skinned, right? So this might be, this might be a light-skinned thing, this might be something y'all brothers into.

• 29:41Channing Crowder?

  Because the women love us and they just throw they selves in.

• 29:45Fred Taylor?

  Man, answer the damn question.

• 29:47Channing Crowder?

  Bro, y'all know, y'all know about the punt return.

• 29:49Ryan Clark?

  Wait, tell me about, tell me about though.

• 29:49Channing Crowder?

  Think about, for RC, think about you wake up every day.

• 29:52Ryan Clark?

  And it's a punt return?

• 29:53Channing Crowder?

  And it's a punt just coming to you every day.

• 29:55Ryan Clark?

  Well, you know they got Gunners coming too now.

• 29:56Channing Crowder?

  It's a bad, fine one coming down there.

• 29:58Ryan Clark?

  They got Gunners coming too now.

• 29:59Channing Crowder?

  I know, but.

• 30:00Ryan Clark?

  It's pitfalls.

• 30:00Channing Crowder?

  I can fair catch.

• 30:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it's pitfalls, but like, no, but real though, like the, so the thought process behind that is, the first time you hear it, if you're a man, you go, oh, that's cool.

• 30:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Ryan Clark?

  Right? Look at all the stuff I get to do, I get to holler at this chick, it's open, I get to move around. But there's also another side to that. Is you got to be comfortable with coming home, knowing that somebody didn't been in your house. And when I say your house, I ain't talking about the doors you walk in that you pay for.

• 30:24Channing Crowder?

  You're talking about the house house.

• 30:25Ryan Clark?

  I'm talking about the house house, right? I'm talking about inside your stuff. And so, yeah, it's one thing to say, I could go live this way, I could go do these things. But to be able to be comfortable with that, is that something you think you could do?

• 30:37Channing Crowder?

  I think, I think it's, I think men think about this very myopic.

• 30:41Ryan Clark?

  Tell me the truth, I want to give you, I want to give you the out and the option of being able to say, no, you know what? I wouldn't want to do it anyway. You can also say that.

• 30:49Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, no, I'll say it, we real, like, we always gonna be real, we real. I think, I think men especially think about this myopic where, open relationship, okay, so I can stay married and then they got me a little side chick, ha, ha, ha, that's cool. Are you comfortable with your wife coming home? Knowing somebody been piling meeting her?

• 31:07Fred Taylor?

  He bout to say some crazy, man. He bout to say some crazy, bro.

• 31:10Channing Crowder?

  I'm just saying, are you comfortable? You, you, you at home, you in the bed, cuddled up, the kids sleep. And you watching Netflix. And your wife come home at 2 a.m. And you know somebody been piling meeting her. Yum, yum, yum. And now y'all wake up in the morning and make the kids breakfast.

• 31:29Fred Taylor?

  Why you gotta do the sound effect?

• 31:30Channing Crowder?

  Because that's-

• 31:30Ryan Clark?

  Because that's real, though.

• 31:31Channing Crowder?

  Because y'all know the sound effect.

• 31:32Ryan Clark?

  Because, because, because you don't-

• 31:33Channing Crowder?

  I don't go, I don't go that far. I ain't gonna lie, that was exaggerated.

• 31:36Ryan Clark?

  You a little closer.

• 31:37Channing Crowder?

  I go tighter. But I can make it clap, RC.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  I can make it, I can make it clap. I can make it clap sometimes.

• 31:44Ryan Clark?

  It's a, it's a, it's a two though, man, you married, man, you can-

• 31:48Speaker 01

  He got a hook.

• 31:49Ryan Clark?

  You can go up right here.

• 31:50Channing Crowder?

  Hooky, grab a finger.

• 31:51Fred Taylor?

  So, so pirate.

• 31:53Channing Crowder?

  But that's the thing, is this open marriage thing, I think, man, look at it as, "Oh, yes, I'm gonna have me a little bad one on the side." Okay. Well, your wife gonna have a big bad one on the side. Do you want that big bad one on the side?

• 32:05Ryan Clark?

  That's real.

• 32:06Channing Crowder?

  Them baby legs.

• 32:08Ryan Clark?

  That's real, though.

• 32:09Channing Crowder?

  A rock-a-dock-a, like, that's a real talk, man.

• 32:11Ryan Clark?

  Walk out your house like a tripod, and then you gotta deal with it.

• 32:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 32:15Channing Crowder?

  And then you try to go back in there, and, and, and the shutters are open. That's something that's big right now. And Will Smith, Stephen Ayesha, and them.

• 32:23Fred Taylor?

  T.I. and Tiny.

• 32:24Channing Crowder?

  T.I. and Tiny. We heard about, well-

• 32:26Fred Taylor?

  One, that's all, that's all speculation. Like, I don't know how true it is.

• 32:31Channing Crowder?

  But, but, but, we got there, because there is speculation.

• 32:34Fred Taylor?

  It is.

• 32:35Channing Crowder?

  But, we're getting from those three situations, famous, successful, lot of money guys, to an open relationship. And I really do believe that a lot of long-term married couples have this conversation.

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  I think the conversation is different.

• 32:49Fred Taylor?

  Why?

• 32:50Ryan Clark?

  Also believe, though, it depends on, it, it depends on how you start. You know what I'm saying because the we like we we were talking about pivoting the whole time it's one thing if when you met me like you know like when people get married older right you get into a second marriage or you waited a long time to get married and now we're grown and we know who we are we can have that conversation from the jump right we can sit down and be like look boo like you know I want to be with you like I want you to be primary I want you to know everything I want to give you everything but every now and then like I feel like going do something outside of this and so now she gets to say either no like I ain't rocking with that or yeah but can I do it too and so like now you gotta make a decision because I just I remember having girlfriends in college the chick that ended up being my girlfriend in college was the one I ain't want nobody else

• 33:35Ryan Clark?

  to mess with it wasn't like nah I just want to mess with you it was like nah I need to make sure that you at least think you're involved in this right so you don't go out and do something else right but like that's not how marriage works right and and for for most and and I I can't speak for women I've done enough work to know you can't speak for but for a lot of women right and I know even growing up I always thought they were the higher gender right I used to be like yeah like like when I was young I was like oh yeah I can't wait to get married because then I get married and a woman see this ring she gonna leave me alone right these days to walk over and I should be like bam you see it you see it I'm straight you know what I mean but it's not like that and so now I got when you get older and you realize nah women have these same desires women want

• 34:20Ryan Clark?

  to do these same things I think it's one thing if you have the conversation you can't be 15 years in it and be like you know what you know babe for these 15 years like you was real cool and like I enjoy what we have I think we need to add somebody else to that there's no way you could do that now

• 34:36Fred Taylor?

  But that's all in the conversation is is communicating and I think this that's the whole origin of of of of marriage itself right Most people tied to religion.

• 34:47Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 34:47Fred Taylor?

  When in fact, it's not that.

• 34:49Ryan Clark?

  And we're also getting further and further away from religion.

• 34:51Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, we are.

• 34:52Ryan Clark?

  And that's part of it.

• 34:53Channing Crowder?

  It's a contract now.

• 34:54Fred Taylor?

  It was never that.

• 34:55Channing Crowder?

  Contract.

• 34:56Fred Taylor?

  A hundred percent so, when it being a contract. But I think that when couples decide to dib and dab, it's mostly because they want to save face. Because you tie religion into it, they don't want a divorce.

• 35:11Ryan Clark?

  They want to get divorced.

• 35:12Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? I know Prime said a long time ago, before he was Coach Prime, it's cheaper to keep her. You know what I'm saying? So I think a lot of these couples look at it and they want to save face. So they go and they, you know, they say, "Look, you respect me on this level."

• 35:29Ryan Clark?

  You think it's about saving face as much as your life? Your lives become one, Shannon.

• 35:34Fred Taylor?

  I think it's more about saving face.

• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  Fred, Fred.

• 35:36Fred Taylor?

  Because some people don't want to get divorced.

• 35:38Ryan Clark?

  I know, but your life, your life is so intertwined, bro.

• 35:42Channing Crowder?

  I think it's this, I do not believe in soulmates. I don't think there is a, the pot for every lid. That whole pot for every lid shit, there's nothing perfect. So, this is what I, this is what, and I'll tell you, me and Asia and everybody know my wife and me and her,

• 36:00Channing Crowder?

  the eighty-twenty rule. Where if you find somebody that's eighty percent of what you want.

• 36:05Ryan Clark?

  You can deal with the twenty.

• 36:06Channing Crowder?

  You can deal with the twenty.

• 36:07Ryan Clark?

  Stop listening to P Diddy.

• 36:09Channing Crowder?

  Whatever that, that, that, that thing is, fifty-fifty not gonna make it. Sixty-forty is not gonna make it.

• 36:13Ryan Clark?

  You gotta build from fifty.

• 36:14Channing Crowder?

  You gotta build it up and figure it out. But if it's eighty-twenty is what I want to say. Do you love the eighty? And you deal with the twenty?

• 36:22Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 36:23Channing Crowder?

  And that's what your marriage is, and you have to be honest with it.

• 36:26Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 36:27Channing Crowder?

  And I won't say me and Asia are eighty-twenty.

• 36:29Ryan Clark?

  There is no hundred, bro.

• 36:30Channing Crowder?

  There's never a hundred.

• 36:31Ryan Clark?

  There's no hundred.

• 36:32Channing Crowder?

  There's never a hundred.

• 36:32Ryan Clark?

  And that's the thing, so if you're looking for a hundred, you ain't gonna find it.

• 36:35Channing Crowder?

  You do everything that he wants and he does everything that you want. And me and my wife, I'll be honest, we're not a hundred percent. I'd say we might be eighty-one-nineteen or something like that. Like, we ain't fifty-five-fifty, because we know math, Fred.

• 36:49Fred Taylor?

  I tried to convince y'all a long time ago.

• 36:52Channing Crowder?

  We tried to do that, but that's the thing. So, what if, what if? I'm just saying, fellas, I gotta put it out there.

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• 37:28Channing Crowder?

  What if, on the other side of it, there's another man that can give the 20 to your wife that you can't give her? Say what?

• 37:39Ryan Clark?

  The problem is this, though.

• 37:41Channing Crowder?

  What if? Let me, let me, let me tell you. Fred act like he ain't him.

• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  That 20 come with meat too, though, bruh.

• 37:46Channing Crowder?

  But it's gonna come with the yam, the bapa, the bapa. What if? But what if the 20 didn't? What if the 20 comes with shopping? What if the 20 comes with traveling? What if the 20 comes with something else? What, like, the sexual, the sexual part? Nobody want somebody piling, piling meat in their wife. What if, but what if the 20?

• 38:03Ryan Clark?

  Folks ain't doing all this other 20% of stuff. You talking about doing without being able to do that, though.

• 38:08Channing Crowder?

  RC, what if the 20 something else? What if the 20 something else? What if the 20 is going to shop?

• 38:14Ryan Clark?

  How many dudes you been around in your life?

• 38:16Channing Crowder?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:17Ryan Clark?

  How many dudes that the 20% ain't involve the yam, yam? Like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, you, you, you ain't never, you ain't never been in the club, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you was 21 in Miami, like, yeah, young Channing, you ain't never look across the club and be like, damn, she fine. I would love to take her on a trip and not touch her. Like, that's not how it work, bro.

• 38:34Channing Crowder?

  It's gonna be some yam, yam.

• 38:35Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, that's not how it works. Like, there's, there's, there's no way to have that conversation. You know what I'm saying? And so, and so, for, for you, and we so stupid, right? We thinking about, oh, like, she, if she came to, one, the first thing that happened is she came, if your wife came to you and she brought it up. And was like, you know, baby, and they so much smarter than we are. You know, baby, I love you so much. And, you know, like, I could see that maybe sometimes I'm not all that you want. Like, if you want to go have a relationship with somebody else, and as long as you're open, that's okay to me. What we gonna do? Aw, shh.

• 39:05Channing Crowder?

  Sound good.

• 39:06Ryan Clark?

  Hell, yeah, it sound good. And she, and, and, you know, they so slick, they might let us live like that for a week and a half. We coming home, you super husband, right? Because you didn't been out. You come home, baby, what you need, baby?

• 39:16Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 39:17Ryan Clark?

  You need, okay, you wanna get something to eat? Right, we super husband, but then that week and a half go by, and she be like, hey.

• 39:22Channing Crowder?

  She bring Big Meat Johnson to the house.

• 39:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, damn, Stella get her groove back. Right, old, old strong back youngster.

• 39:29Channing Crowder?

  So.

• 39:30Ryan Clark?

  Now I'm out of there.

• 39:31Channing Crowder?

  With the yam yam, with the yam yam. With the big yam, yeah. So. But that's the thing, but. Wifey. But fella, but is it all, but is it all, but is it all sexual?

• 39:42Ryan Clark?

  From what I've learned about women, it's very often they want that from a certain person. Right, that, that, that a woman sees things in you, and even if it's the 80, and, and, and Asia's been with you all of this time, and she needs five more percent. She rather Channing work to, that, that five more percent from Channing will mean way more to her than five percent from some dude that sees her totally different from you, right? Cause you've been seeing her her whole life, right? You've watched her grow. So for her, for, so for her, in her mind, she wanna get that from you, right? We the dummies that wanna find it somewhere else, the dummies that say they want peace, or, or they want whatever it is. And so my point is, like, that, like, if, if your wife came home, right?

• 40:24Ryan Clark?

  Like, if your wife had been asking you to shop, or your wife had been asking you to stay home more, Fred, or do something else, right? And all of a sudden, you came home one day, and you was like, babe, I was gonna run to the mall, do you wanna go? Right? And, and, cause it's not all sexual. And she said, oh no, me and Jonathan went.

• 40:41Channing Crowder?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:41Ryan Clark?

  That would break, it would break my heart. I'd be like, well, damn, you've been trying to get me to shop for 16 years, and now you don't want to? Like, that part would hurt too.

• 40:51Channing Crowder?

  Man, I don't know about that over marriage stuff, but this damn happy dad good as hell.

• 40:56Ryan Clark?

  I'll tell you what, open marriages don't make for a happy husband. This make for a happy dad, so I'm cool. You know what I mean?

• 41:03Channing Crowder?

  I know, you, you got electrolytes. I'm having a good time, and I'm getting hydrated and.

• 41:09Ryan Clark?

  Well, what it do, what it'll do is, man, it'll keep the party rolling though, right?

• 41:12Channing Crowder?

  That what it is, the pinkly dinkly's good.

• 41:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you feel, you feel good in all kind of ways. Speaking of happy dads, though, uh, they got a happy dad that's coaching at, at Jackson State, right? He, I mean, he won, won the SWAC, uh, Deion wins the SWAC, he got, uh, Shiloh and Shadur over there. He also just pulled the number one recruit in the country. And if, if, if, if I could think back correctly, if I, if I could get back.

• 41:34Channing Crowder?

  Look at it.

• 41:34Ryan Clark?

  If I could get back into my mental rolodex.

• 41:36Channing Crowder?

  I see.

• 41:37Ryan Clark?

  There was somebody that said he wasn't gonna be able to compete with the power five schools. It wasn't me.

• 41:43Channing Crowder?

  It was him.

• 41:44Ryan Clark?

  I ain't say it. So, so, so how do you feel now? Do you feel wrong? Do you feel as wrong as you are?

• 41:49Channing Crowder?

  I'll tell, I'll tell y'all this. I want to apologize because I said that. I did, and it was very strong. I said there's not going to be a top recruit that chooses an HBCU over a Power Five school.

• 42:01Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 42:01Channing Crowder?

  And I want to apologize to Deion because he did pull him. As Deion, he did pull Travis Hunter to an HBCU. So, so is there, is there, is there a but coming? Do you have a but in it? I do have a but. I just don't know if Deion is going to be there for Travis Hunter to graduate.

• 42:20Ryan Clark?

  Right, well, I think, I think Shiloh, so, so.

• 42:23Channing Crowder?

  What?

• 42:23Ryan Clark?

  Shador was a freshman. He got at least two years. I don't think he leaves before his kids leave.

• 42:27Channing Crowder?

  How was that?

• 42:28Ryan Clark?

  I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't think. I don't think he, I don't think he may. The only way he leaves if his, if his kids are there, if his, if his kids go with him. But it doesn't mean that you can go to Tennessee, you can go to Texas, you can go to Florida State and say that Shador is going to be the starting quarterback there.

• 42:41Channing Crowder?

  Florida State is the first one because Norvell at Florida State is not being successful.

• 42:45Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 42:46Channing Crowder?

  So they fired Norvell and they offered Deion. Is he going to stay? And we can't answer that question. And when we talked to Deion in the past, Deion wouldn't answer that question.

• 42:53Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 42:54Channing Crowder?

  But these are my concerns with Hunter going to Jackson State. This is my only thing. And I always, bro, I, I want the HBCUs to do great. I want the HBCUs to thrive.

• 43:07Ryan Clark?

  When Travis Hunter, when Travis Hunter did the whole thing of taking this hat off, throwing this hat, taking this hat, did you hear how excited people were when he landed on Jackson State?

• 43:16Channing Crowder?

  Yes, and that was a single day, um, appearance. It was a single day situation. Now, he has to go every single day for at least three years now because that's, that's the rule. He has to be in college for three years. Every day to this facility, to this medical staff, to this organization, to this coaching staff, to this training table, to these dorms. And that's my, that's my issue is that I don't think those schools can live up to me as a Florida guy being those schools.

• 43:53Ryan Clark?

  So you're talking about this comparison?

• 43:54Channing Crowder?

  No, the, the res- no, no. The resources of it, Fred.

• 43:58Fred Taylor?

  Back it out, back. Let's, let's put it on a plate, right? We're talking about Deion Sanders.

• 44:05Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 44:06Fred Taylor?

  We're not talking about, uh, Joe Schmo or, Deion Sanders.

• 44:12Fred Taylor?

  We're not even talking about HBCUs. We're talking about the influence of-

• 44:17Ryan Clark?

  Of primetime.

• 44:18Fred Taylor?

  Primetime. Deion Sanders.

• 44:20Ryan Clark?

  And that's the influence.

• 44:22Fred Taylor?

  Think about the position. I think it's just a perfect alignment and timing with everything. Look at the position Travis Hunter plays.

• 44:31Ryan Clark?

  Yep, I agree.

• 44:32Fred Taylor?

  Look at the coach he's looking to go and play for. Maybe one of the greatest, if not the greatest-

• 44:40Ryan Clark?

  Greatest corner of all time.

• 44:41Channing Crowder?

  Greatest corner of all time.

• 44:42Fred Taylor?

  To ever play the game.

• 44:43Ryan Clark?

  Do you have a-

• 44:45Channing Crowder?

  Do either of y'all thinking somebody better?

• 44:47Fred Taylor?

  No, no, listen though. It was a win-win situation for this young man.

• 44:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Fred Taylor?

  Right? Cause he's thinking three and out.

• 44:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he gonna shine.

• 44:54Fred Taylor?

  He has to be thinking three and out. They lack some resources, but when you talk about Deion Sanders. And everything that he does, every, every, every company that he's been involved with.

• 45:07Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 45:07Fred Taylor?

  They're gonna support Jackson State. Because this is a movement.

• 45:10Ryan Clark?

  Under Armour is already done.

• 45:11Fred Taylor?

  Not just for now. It's a movement for forever. So Travis Hunter, someone you said probably would never go to.

• 45:20Ryan Clark?

  Would never go to an HBCU.

• 45:21Fred Taylor?

  It's bigger than an HBCU.

• 45:24Channing Crowder?

  Next year, Florida State fires Norvell and offers Deion.

• 45:29Fred Taylor?

  Deion ain't going there.

• 45:30Ryan Clark?

  He not going.

• 45:30Channing Crowder?

  Deion is not gonna lift his ass with that bad leg up on that thing. Y'all, y'all see-

• 45:35Ryan Clark?

  It can still be hurt. It can still be hurt next year.

• 45:38Channing Crowder?

  So y'all are telling me if Florida State-

• 45:40Fred Taylor?

  Deion ain't going.

• 45:41Channing Crowder?

  His alma mater. Offers him the head coaching job at Florida State.

• 45:44Ryan Clark?

  I don't think he goes.

• 45:45Channing Crowder?

  You don't think, you think he stays at Jackson State?

• 45:47Ryan Clark?

  The reason I think-

• 45:47Channing Crowder?

  Over Florida State?

• 45:48Ryan Clark?

  His babies are-

• 45:49Channing Crowder?

  His ass is hair, bro.

• 45:50Ryan Clark?

  And he, when you get a guy-

• 45:52Channing Crowder?

  They're gonna transfer.

• 45:52Ryan Clark?

  When you get a guy like Travis Hunter, when you get a guy like Travis Hunter to come. Like, so my bigger issue is that we're talking about Jackson State in primetime. We're not actually talking about HBCUs, right? Cause that kid ain't gonna go to Southern. I live in Baton Rouge. He ain't gonna go to Southern. He's going there for Deion.

• 46:08Channing Crowder?

  Hugh Jackson's at Grambling State.

• 46:09Ryan Clark?

  That's still not Deion, bro.

• 46:10Channing Crowder?

  Eddie George is at Tennessee State.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  And that's still not Deion, right?

• 46:13Fred Taylor?

  And it's no knock on them.

• 46:14Ryan Clark?

  No knock on them. They're not in Affleck commercials.

• 46:16Fred Taylor?

  Crime has so much more influence.

• 46:17Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 46:18Fred Taylor?

  Deion, he's cut from an entire different cloth.

• 46:22Fred Taylor?

  Then so many of these, so many of these other coaches. When you look into it, they looked at Deion, they see the cameras following, but that's always been prime. He's always engaged and been ready for the like, the prime time. Nickname, right? Some people don't like the way he's coached and how he's involved in social media. He's bringing our people into the fold, right? And they're supporting it. It's about the culture. And he's not losing. He's doing it in great fashion. Yeah. And the kids see that, they see he's having fun, he's transparent. He's able to go, what's college football all about? Recruiting, right? Yeah.

• 47:03Fred Taylor?

  He's able to go into any household and talk, you know, verbatim to any family. Yeah. That's what families respect, that's what they want, that's what they need. Especially from our demographic. So I think when you look at the evolution of HBCU and having the number one players, the top five stars. And Deion said he don't even care about a five star. He want a three star dog to come and play for him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But against what you said, you have a number one player in the entire country that say, you know what? I believe in him. I believe in everything that he say, I love his message. But here we are. Here we are. I don't think it's a one-shot pony. Okay.

• 47:48Fred Taylor?

  I think it's gonna happen more. Nope. Fred, that's the Chicken Little. Listen to me. It's not Chicken Little. That's the left, right, left, right. It's gonna happen. Okay, Chan, so right now. He doesn't understand the power, the power of, the power of social media. Chan, your question is this, so your answer is this, this, this, this is, you ended like this right here. Is Travis Hunter the last one?

• 48:17Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 48:18Fred Taylor?

  Don't fuck yourself again.

• 48:20Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no.

• 48:20Fred Taylor?

  Travis Hunter.

• 48:21Channing Crowder?

  I, I, I did.

• 48:22Fred Taylor?

  You fuck up. You apologize to Deion yet?

• 48:24Channing Crowder?

  I told Deion sorry earlier.

• 48:26Fred Taylor?

  Okay, cool.

• 48:26Channing Crowder?

  But he's not the last one, but is it, well, let me, let me, let me retort.

• 48:31Ryan Clark?

  Is, is your only problem that he's gonna leave?

• 48:33Channing Crowder?

  RC, let me retort. Is there going to be a rush of these guys?

• 48:40Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 48:41Channing Crowder?

  Why not? Deion is so abrasive, and I don't, I want Deion to do it. This is the thing that kills me about this argument, fellas. I want Howard and Hampton and Famu and all these motherfuckers to do something. But I cannot see.

• 48:56Ryan Clark?

  It's not gonna happen.

• 48:57Channing Crowder?

  I cannot see it because of the fact that the resources aren't there, and that's what I wanted to get out here. I went to Florida. We need to do a tour. Don't give them too much on what's coming. We can do a tour of what this is and that is.

• 49:11Ryan Clark?

  But I get you. Listen, man, this is the first show. Fellas, first off, I am honored to be here. This first show was a little different because it had to be purposeful. But I think you need to tell the people what else we got in store.

• 49:23Channing Crowder?

  Fellas, we gonna do it right this year. We gonna line it up. We heading into the, you know, the playoffs right now. We gonna talk football. We gonna do sports. We gonna do all that. We gonna do our topics.

• 49:33Ryan Clark?

  We gonna do life.

• 49:34Channing Crowder?

  And we gonna do life, and we gonna educate people because that's what people want. And all the stuff that we're a part of and all the things that we do, a bunch of strong, educated young men, they gonna love it, baby.

• 49:48Fred Taylor?

  New show. Same shit.

• 49:52Ryan Clark?

  Grab your happy day, friend. Grab your happy day.

• 49:59Fred Taylor?

  Cheers. Cheers, cheers, cheers.

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