Jocko Underground: You Are NOT Right, So Don't Act Like It. How to Get Treated Like a "Man" and Not A "Kid". Keeping Emotions In Check At Home.

You Are not "right" so stop acting like it. Help getting through a death in the family. Keeping emotions in check at home. Tips for enduring the heat during physical work. Don Frye VS Wanderlei Silva in (in their prime). A hypothetical. How to deal with being treated like the "kid" in a group. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 28, sitting here with Echo Charles.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:08Jocko Willink?

  And I was, I got something to discuss broadly that I think is helpful. All right, here's, here's, here's what I'm gonna discuss broadly. I'm not aiming this at you. Kind of, I'm kinda aiming it at everyone, including myself, all right? Here's the deal, you're not right.

• 0:27Jocko Willink?

  Okay, you're not right.

• 0:30Jocko Willink?

  So don't act like you're right. And don't walk around like you're right, and don't treat other people like you're right. I, I see this, this quite a bit. Sometimes I see it for myself, disappointing. Where you think you're right, I think I'm right, you think you're right, we think we're right.

• 0:50Jocko Willink?

  And we're not. It's kinda like,

• 0:53Jocko Willink?

  if you start to pull the, the layers back, it's like jujitsu, hate to say it, but true. You remember how kinda badass you were, you thought you were? When you never trained before?

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know what you're saying.

• 1:09Jocko Willink?

  You thought you were right?

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Kinda, yeah.

• 1:10Jocko Willink?

  And then the first class, maybe even the first class, you're like, oh, once I learn a couple of things, then I'm gonna know everything. Kind of.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  I can see how that would be the case, but my unique experience did not.

• 1:21Jocko Willink?

  Oh, really? You knew, you knew out of the gate?

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got beat down pretty, pretty continuously.

• 1:27Jocko Willink?

  But what about prior to getting beat down?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  No, no. Yeah, you're right.

• 1:30Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, then you thought you knew everything. Like, I can handle this.

• 1:35Jocko Willink?

  Actually, I was, Daryl Cooper, DC.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:39Jocko Willink?

  And he was, he was saying that he, he did the Martyr Made Podcast, the first six, it's something like, I don't know, what are they, two or three hours each? So there's, I don't know, between 12 and 20 hours of him talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

• 2:00Jocko Willink?

  And he said he, after he read like three books on it, he was like, oh yeah, I know it now. And then he just kept reading, and you get different perspectives, different perspectives, different perspectives, different perspectives. And that's what, that's the way it is in the world. And right now, a lot of people walk around

• 2:19Jocko Willink?

  thinking they know things, thinking they know things. I do this. I think I know something. And what I'm trying to say is, nobody knows.

• 2:30Jocko Willink?

  But here's what's beneficial about this. This attitude. Of. Accepting that not everyone knows everything.

• 2:40Jocko Willink?

  Is that I don't get mad when somebody thinks they know. It doesn't bother me, you know, because you can let that bother you. When someone says, no, it should be like this, and you know, you know, they don't know. There's no way they could know.

• 2:54Jocko Willink?

  And I think this is leading to a lot of the divisiveness in the country, in the world. Because everybody thinks they know. And then they think they back it up. With. With. Experts. Or science, the science one's a big one. Both, both sides of every argument, the science says this, well, guess what, I can find you some science that says something else. And I'm not just talking about Echo Charles bro-science. Sure. I'm talking science. And guess what, science changes.

• 3:27Jocko Willink?

  You ever seen those? Newspaper clippings or old articles?

• 3:33Jocko Willink?

  Would that say the opposite of what's happening now? Well, I saw one that was Ice Age is coming, this is 1973 or something. Next Ice Age is coming, world temperatures are dropping. Or you see the articles or the advertisements back in the day, or even articles that said. How smoking tobacco is good for you. These are the benefits.

• 3:56Jocko Willink?

  Science changes.

• 4:00Jocko Willink?

  But people act like they know with no caveat whatsoever.

• 4:05Jocko Willink?

  And that will drive a person crazy. It will drive you crazy. It will drive me crazy. If I get, if you say something and I, I think Echo thinks he knows it. I just go now Echo thinks he knows it, but he doesn't, so that's fine.

• 4:21Jocko Willink?

  Articles, journals, right? It was in a journal. Okay, so that means you're right? It's not true. So, let's just put a caveat on things and say, this is what I think right now. But I could be wrong. And if you approach people like that and you approach ideas like that, you're probably gonna have an easier time. You're probably gonna be able to, you're probably gonna be able to articulate yourself better. You're probably gonna have a more open mind. You're gonna have a better, it ends up being an indirect approach when you discuss things with people, instead of saying, that's not the way it works. You say, oh, I haven't heard that perspective before. Please inform me more.

• 5:06Jocko Willink?

  But, and what's really weird, you start throwing social media into this stuff, it's just a minefield. It's a disaster. Because now, not only do I think I know something, but I'm gonna tell the world that I know it.

• 5:22Jocko Willink?

  And then they're all gonna pile on and tell me why I'm wrong. And attack me, and attack my ideas. So,

• 5:33Jocko Willink?

  we don't know anything. Leave yourself some room to maneuver. You don't, there's nothing that you can be certain about, or let me rephrase that. There are very few things you can be certain about. So don't run around thinking you're certain about everything, cuz it doesn't help you.

• 5:51Jocko Willink?

  Doesn't help you move through the world.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yep. And a lot of people misuse the word science as well.

• 5:59Jocko Willink?

  Did I?

• 6:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:03Jocko Willink?

  Look at that. Look at that. Jocko.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Technically.

• 6:06Jocko Willink?

  Hey, I could be wrong.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  I mean, maybe.

• 6:08Jocko Willink?

  I could have misused the word science. It's possible. I'm not a scientist.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Put it this way, when, I think when, when people are like, hey, the science, the science, the science.

• 6:17Jocko Willink?

  Right.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  So, you could, I mean, you gotta kinda consider what scientific method is. There's like, it's a very specific method.

• 6:24Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Which is, of course, it's not like, perfect. I guess theoretically, it's perfect, but it's not perfect because...

• 6:33Jocko Willink?

  No, it's not perfect, exactly.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, essentially, right. So, so the part that gets jammed up, isn't necessary, necessarily, science.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  It's like, how good is the scientist or group of scientists? How good are they at implementing the scientific method? And then, do they even have enough information to draw any kind of likely conclusion?

• 6:57Jocko Willink?

  Right, and even if they draw a likely conclusion, it's still only likely.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:00Jocko Willink?

  But here's the deal, look.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 7:03Jocko Willink?

  I use that, but let's face it, I'm just talking about life stuff, right? I'm talking about just general human interaction.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:12Jocko Willink?

  I think I know.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:14Jocko Willink?

  And you don't know.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:16Jocko Willink?

  You don't know. So leave yourself an open mind, leave yourself a little room to maneuver, leave yourself a little room to grow and learn. And when you have, when you talk to people, you, you ask good questions about what their viewpoint is and try and understand their perspective. It's gonna make your whole life better. And, and you know, I guess even my approach in bringing this up, well, you know, you're not right. It's like, that's, that's sort of, I guess, I was, maybe I did that for like the shock value of it, right? Maybe trying to make an impact or make, leave a mark.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:52Jocko Willink?

  But man, awesome, this is what I'm really saying. You don't know everything.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:58Jocko Willink?

  The person that you're talking to doesn't know everything, doesn't know anything 100% and they may act like it. Don't get mad at them. Don't get mad at them. Just think, oh yeah, this person thinks, it, it's helped me. It's helped me discuss things with people and I go, yeah, you know what? Echo thinks he's 100% right and I get it. I, I, I'm empathetic to his, to his attitude. I get it. He thinks that he's 100% right.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:25Jocko Willink?

  And he doesn't, unfortunately, it's like, hmm, he knows not what he do, he, he knows not what he does, right?

• 8:32Jocko Willink?

  He just thinks he knows this 100% and he doesn't. So instead of me getting defensive and going on the attack, how about I listen to what you have to say? Ask you some good questions that maybe open up your mind a little bit to seeing a different perspective. So maybe we can find some common ground. That's what I'm saying.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, the, um, we, a lot of it is.

• 8:53Jocko Willink?

  Wrong!

• 8:54Speaker 01

  You, you are just like, understanding. It's like, you're being understanding, you're being an understanding person where, when you.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  When you admit to yourself like that you don't know for sure. And actually back to science thing real quick. If you read like a scientific or for real like scientific journal or piece or something, they'll never say therefore the ice age is coming.

• 9:19Jocko Willink?

  Right.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  They'll never say that it'll be like, hey, this, this is what happened. And this is what it showed. And if we were trying to find out this, the likelihood in this study.

• 9:28Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Made it that this is the likelihood.

• 9:30Jocko Willink?

  By the time it gets to Twitter.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 9:32Jocko Willink?

  By that time it gets to Twitter. Experts in journals have said the ice age is coming.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Exactly right. And that's actually exactly right. And then that's not to mention like the study and how good, how well it was done. So if they're like, oh yeah, we had a sample size of a thousand people and we did this. And they only did it with a thousand people that lived by the beach. It's like, man, it's kinda, you know, it can be skewed in that way. And like, or just like the, like an incompetent group of scientists, but they're the only ones studying it. So this is the most recent study and all this stuff. And the point is you're correct, like the science. I mean, I don't know if I'd say it in those words, but you, your point is correct. Like the science can change.

• 10:11Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  You can get improved information.

• 10:14Jocko Willink?

  Data.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  It's all within science, but yeah, improved information, improved conclusion.

• 10:18Jocko Willink?

  There's all the, you know, we, we, we used to think that the universe revolved around the earth.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 10:23Jocko Willink?

  That was the science.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, and the thing is it kinda is, cause when you look, when you make certain observations, especially if you're the only one doing it, that's what it looks like. That's all the info we have, therefore that's the current conclusion, you know? But then you look more into it, more people study it, like all different perspectives as a wise man wants it. See what I'm saying? You get to know, uh, more, more of the information and you, and you start to understand a little bit more.

• 10:48Jocko Willink?

  It's just such a much better approach. It's gonna be better for your mental health. And I'm no mental health expert, but getting mad, getting mad because Echo just says he's certain about something. Or getting mad because Echo doesn't. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.

• 11:13Jocko Willink?

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