#1014 Oscar Merry On Pioneering Listen To Earn With Bitcoin

Oscar Merry is the Co-Founder of Fountain, a new podcast platform where viewers can get paid to listen to their favorite podcasts and is powered by the Bitcoin Lightning Network. In this conversation, we talk about podcasting 2.0, how the Fountain product works, why podcasters should be interested in paying their listeners, and on-boarding people to the Bitcoin network through Fountain. ======================= LMAX Digital - the market-leading solution for institutional crypto trading & custodial services - offers clients a regulated, transparent and secure trading environment, together with the deepest pool of crypto liquidity. LMAX Digital is also a primary price discovery venue, streaming real-time market data to the industry’s leading analytics platforms. LMAX Digital - secure, liquid, trusted. Learn more at LMAXdigital.com/pomp ======================= The Pod Pro Cover by Eight Sleep is the most advanced solution on the market for thermoregulation. It pairs dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking. Go to https://www.eightsleep.com/Pomp to check out the Pod Pro Cover and save $150 at checkout. Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, and the UK. ======================= DeFi Technologies represents what’s next in the digital economy -- providing simplified, trusted access to crypto, decentralized finance and Web 3.0 investment opportunities. Institutions and investors can gain diversified, secure, compliant, and easily tradable access to a diversified set of industry-leading equity products and protocols, through a single stock purchase on a regulated exchange. Currently listed on U. S. (OTC: DEFTF) and Canadian (NEO:DEFI) exchanges. For more information or to subscribe to receive company updates and financial information, visit our website at http://defi.tech =======================

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Oscar Mary is the co-founder of Fountain, a brand-new podcast player where the audience actually gets paid to listen to their favorite podcast. It uses the Bitcoin Lightning Network and is fascinating enough where I got excited and actually invested in the business. In this conversation, we talk about podcasting 2.0, how Fountain works, why podcasters would want to pay their audience, and why it's so cool to onboard brand-new users to the Bitcoin community via Fountain. I really enjoyed this conversation with Oscar, and I hope you guys enjoy it as well. Before we get into this episode, though, I first

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• 3:09Speaker 01

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• 3:33Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Bang, bang. I've got Oscar here with me. Thanks so much for doing this.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Thanks, Pomp. Great to be here.

• 3:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Absolutely. Let's start with this idea of podcasting at the intersection of really audio and Bitcoin, right? I think there's tons and tons of people who have been trying to figure out how can we use Bitcoin for podcasting? I've been pitched a ton of different ideas. Some of them are interesting, some of them are less compelling. But I think when I talked with you guys at Fountain, it became really obvious to me how the world was going to change at this intersection of Bitcoin and audio. So let's just start with like, what is Fountain?

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks, Pom. So Fountain is the only podcast app where both listeners and podcasters get rewarded for the value that they bring to the platform. So as a listener on Fountain, you can earn Bitcoin just by listening to your favourite shows. And as a podcaster, you can get paid directly by your audience as they're listening in the app. So there's two important questions that I want to address here. The first is, why should you get paid to listen to podcasts? I know, it sounds a bit crazy. And the second one is, why should you support the podcasts that you love? So I'll go through each one in turn. Firstly, why should you get paid to listen to podcasts? It sounds crazy, but it's actually not. So let me explain. The time and attention that we give platforms every day is incredibly

• 4:53Speaker 02

  valuable. So if you think about every minute that you spend consuming content, creating content, watching ads, listening to ads, that directly increases the value of the platforms that you're using. So think about the ones you use every day, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. All of these platforms would lose their value if it wasn't for you and the time and attention that you give them. But yet, none of them reward you for it. So Fountain is different. On Fountain, you get paid for the value that you bring to the platform. So Fountain pays you right off the bat just for being here, because we recognise that value. And that's how you can earn Bitcoin just by listening to your favourite shows.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Podcasters will also pay you through promoted clips and episodes. So if they have additional content that they want to get out there, they can do that by paying you in Bitcoin. And then finally, other Fountain users can actually pay you as well if they like the content that you're sharing. So that's how you can earn on Fountain. But we also think it's really important that you support your favourite podcasts, because ultimately, there's incredible knowledge, insight and wisdom that comes through the podcast medium. I mean, take this show. How many people listening right now have learnt so much from you, Pom, and your guests over the years? I know I have, and that's why I think it's so important to support. But there's an issue with the existing platforms. If you think about Patreon...

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Or some of the premium subscription apps. The problem with these when it comes to podcasting is that they break the connection between when you're actually listening and the action of supporting. In Fountain, you can support directly from the player, so you can stream money per minute to your favorite show. And you can also send a boost, which is a custom amount with a question or a message or just a thank you to the host. So yeah, that's Fountain, basically. You can earn Bitcoin whilst listening and you can support your favorite shows. And this is all powered by the Bitcoin Lightning Network. For the first time ever, we have programmable money.

• 6:53Anthony Pompliano?

  So one of the things that when I first saw what you guys were doing that was fascinating to me is if you really think iTunes was the first podcast platform that got considerable adoption and was at one point, I think, eighty, ninety percent of the market. And it's because it came pre-installed on iOS devices. And so like, that's a pretty good moat to have to gain market share. And then I think most people kind of just said like, hey, podcasting is not really a thing, but like, these guys have won that, you know, really small space. And then audio became bigger and bigger, audiobooks, podcasts, all this stuff. And Spotify was like, well, we're in the audio game. We're in audio business. Like, we want to be in that game, but we can't get pre-installed on the devices. So like, what's our angle or what's our moat gonna be?

• 7:34Anthony Pompliano?

  And they're like, well, we got a lot of money. And so they just started to buy up exclusive intellectual property. And this is obviously the Joe Rogan deal that they did. They did Call Her Daddy and a bunch of other episodes. And so it was like, okay, one platform has one on the pre-installation kind of front. Another platform appears to have one on, they're gonna spend whatever it takes to acquire IP. That leaves, if you want to have a third player in the space, like, what is the other advantage? And when I first saw this, I was like, oh, wow, this is really interesting. Because what you guys are essentially doing is you're using a innovation in payment technology to allow for less friction between payments of podcaster to audience or audience back to podcaster.

• 8:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Other folks could at some point try to go figure out how to do this, but you really need to be experts in audio and podcasts, but also experts in Bitcoin and Lightning and kind of how that ecosystem works. And so it feels like there's an opportunity for a third kind of category to be created here. And the first one to do it at scale is going to win, right? Is that kind of a fair way to evaluate it?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And I think the actual payment is more than just the financial value. It's actually a signal that we can use to make the platform better. So if you think about it, if you're listening to a show and I'm following you on Fountain and you send a 50,000 sat boost to your favorite show, that is a signal to me that that episode is worth listening to. And that is badly needed in podcasting because there is no discovery because of the nature of the long form episodes. So we think that by attaching a payment to every action that you take in the app, you can actually create high signal that then will drive discovery for podcasters, but ultimately a better listening experience for the user as well.

• 9:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's fascinating. I keep hearing podcasting 2.0. Obviously, Adam Curry's talked about this quite a bit. Like, explain to people what exactly that means.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, so podcasting 2.0 is a philosophy and an organization spearheaded by Adam Curry and Dave Jones. And really, it has two goals. Number one is to preserve the open nature of podcasting, which is something that, you know, everybody loves so much about podcasting. It goes against the trend we've seen recently around walled gardens and big platforms trying to control an industry completely. Because podcasting is open, you can always just host your own RSS feed and take your podcasts wherever without any censorship. So that's the first part. And then the second part of podcasting 2.0 is really to extend podcasting and start adding new features. So the community is working on things like live streaming,

• 10:14Speaker 02

  bringing live streaming to RSS, bringing video to RSS, bringing tools like chapters. And again, ultimately, that just leads to a better listening experience. And obviously, the most exciting part of this is the value spec, which is what allows a podcast To actually receive SATS and also send them out to guests, which is one of the really exciting things too.

• 10:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's fascinating to think about. Most people don't realize the RSS feeds are open, right? And you can do so much with that and it's beneficial for the person uploading the podcast. But it's also beneficial for people who want to build tools or interfaces or various sort of things around that open ecosystem. And so it takes all the great aspects of open source software and brings it to this audio format in a really unique way that just isn't really available in many other platforms or content types.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And if you think about it, like if you wanted to innovate on the YouTube platform, you couldn't do it as a developer. You couldn't go and start a startup that would, you know, add an interesting layer to YouTube, but because RSS is open, you can do that. And what's really interesting as well with Lightning is if I'm a podcaster and I want to completely self-host, I can literally set up my RSS feed on a server, run my own Lightning node, put the pub key in my RSS feed and self-host everything. So it's completely open.

• 11:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's fascinating. As a podcast, I think about this and I say, hey, I am probably less interested in the audience sending me money. It's great that they do. I love that they're supporting me. But to me, my eyes light up because now I can share value with the audience, right? So I think that there's some podcasters who are gonna love, hey, I can get paid from the audience. There's some podcasts that are gonna love, hey, I can pay the audience. And there's some that say, I love that I can do both, right? And each one could use the features differently. But for me, what's fascinating is like if I can stream value to the audience, if they were already gonna listen, now they can make a little bit of money and not necessarily gonna be life-changing money, but it could, you know, help them buy dinner, you know, at the end of the week or whatever.

• 12:18Anthony Pompliano?

  But it's a cool way to give some portion of value to them for listening. And I feel like they've given me so much in terms of the audience and learning from them that you have that ability. But the streaming component of it is also very unique, where it sounds like I could probably say, hey, if you just start the episode, you get some value and then every minute after that, you get more value. Or like, how can I program this in the steady state to, can I pick like when they get paid how much? Or like, how does it work?

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we're just getting started, but the really excited, the exciting thing about the Lightning Network is we have full flexibility. Like, think of a use case and we'll be able to do it because suddenly we have programmable money. So yeah, I'm really excited to see the different ways we can do this. Right now, what you'll be able to do as a podcaster is promote an episode or promote your show to a level whereby anyone that comes in and listens to the latest episode will be streamed money per minute for listening to that show.

• 13:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I mean, that's really interesting when you start to think also, like, maybe it's not life-changing money in the United States, but people all around the world who could have access to these audio platforms now, you know, it doesn't take that much money really for you to earn in order to to make it meaningful, given what the local, you know, monthly salaries are.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Exactly. And actually, I think we will get to a point where it can not be life-changing money, but be significant income. Because actually, if you look at the podcast advertising CPMs on other platforms, so where podcasters are currently promoting their shows, the cost per new subscriber to your show can be as high as $10 or $15. So if you think about taking that money and instead just paying it directly to the listener to sample your show or episode, actually, it can go a long way. And that's, that's a significant amount of money if you think about listening to a sample episode for 45 minutes or one hour and getting paid $10 for it.

• 14:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. If we flip around the table and now the audience like streams you money, how does that work in terms of like, do I have to hook up a Bitcoin wallet? Or like, where does that go?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. So as I was saying, this is a completely open system. So if you want to, you could self-host your RSS feed, run your own Lightning node and just put the pub key in the RSS feed. But Fountain actually offers A podcaster wallet service. So as a podcaster, you can sign up on fountain.fm, claim your feed and then we will provision you a lightning wallet and we will basically lightning enable your podcast. On top of that, we'll give you detailed analytics on who's supporting your show the most over time, which episodes are bringing in the most. So you know, great analytics there. But the really exciting feature that we have is this concept of episode level splits. So what this will allow you to do is each guest that comes through the studio here, you'll just be

• 15:12Speaker 02

  able to ask them, what's your fountain username? I'll put you in the splits, give you 50%, give you 20%. And then again, because it's programmable money, that will just flow out for that episode and it will stay that way in perpetuity. I think this is incredibly exciting for actually onboarding new people to Bitcoin, because there's a lot of Bitcoin podcasts out there where the guests are not necessarily in the Bitcoin space, but you can say to them, hey, thanks for coming on the show. To reward you for your value, I'm going to give you 50% of the sats that come through this episode. Also, if you're interviewing someone that has a good cause, maybe it's an open source project, you can ask your audience, hey, guys, send a boost just like you normally do, but this will go straight to the actual cause that we're talking about today. So I think that's incredibly

• 15:57Speaker 02

  exciting.

• 15:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's fascinating to think about the idea of allowing the guests to make money on the podcast that they appeared as well, like drastically changes the relationship. And also, it's pretty cool because now if like I'm a guest on someone's podcast and like, hey, you're going to get 50% of the sats that are streamed, right? There's a lot of people who say like, I'm going to promote the shit out of this, right? I'm really going to go and make sure that a lot of people listen to it. And so it feels like a win win both for the audience and the podcaster.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  100%.

• 16:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. If you start to think about advertising, like what's the impact on the advertising market here? Is this kind of a zero sum game of like, either people get advertising dollars or they're using something like this? Or is it accretive? Like, what's your thought process?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I don't think this is a replacement of podcast advertising. There is a magic in podcast advertising because there's a Trust that exists between the host and the listener. So I don't think we're going to replace that. I think this just is an alternate advertising mechanism that actually benefits everybody, the advertiser, the podcaster, and the actual listener. Because one of the things that everybody I'm sure listening knows about podcast advertising is people skip the ads. People are so good at skipping the ads on their favorite shows. It's quite ridiculous. With Fountain Promotions, you can't skip the ads and also you get paid per second for listening. And what this does is, number one, it captures your attention as you're listening to the ad.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  But number two, if you're not interested in that product or service and you don't want to hear anymore, you can just pause the ad and the money stops streaming and it just flows back into the budget for that campaign, which actually at the end of the day is going to drive results for the advertiser. So it's beneficial for the user because they get paid to listen again, coming back to this concept of the value of time and attention. And it's beneficial for the advertiser because they'll actually be able to get higher click-through rates to whatever service. We also have attribution in the ads as well, which is another problem with podcast advertising. So yeah, we're really excited about this. And for podcasters as well, if you want to promote your show,

• 18:03Speaker 02

  you know, come and do it on Fountain because users get paid to listen and, you know, it's just a much better advertising model than the alternatives out there.

• 18:12Anthony Pompliano?

  And it feels kind of like a no-brainer, right? If you're listening to podcasts, you might as well listen to it on Fountain because you get to listen to the podcast and you get paid to do it. Like, it's kind of a no-brainer in my opinion.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. And whether you want to keep that money for yourself and stack those stats, or you want to give it back to your favorite show, it's completely up to you.

• 18:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And I guess also part of this is, when we talk about advertising, it could be advertising in terms of, hey, I have sponsors on the show and therefore do I share some of that with the audience? Like, how does that work? But it also could be, I want to promote the show to new listeners as well, right? And there's quite a number of people who, whether they're running Instagram ads or Twitter or email marketing, you know, all kinds of things that they do in the marketing world. You now can just say, well, if you listen to an episode, I'll just give you some money. And that's pretty Be compelling, right, for people to come listen to a new episode of your podcast.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Exactly, because you're actually taking the activation action as you're doing it. So if you think about the steps in the funnel from something like an Instagram ad, you have the cost per impression, then you have the cost per click, which might take you to a website. Then you actually have the cost per listen to that podcast, and then you have the cost per subscribe. With Fountain Promotions, it's all in one. So as soon as the user actually starts listening to the ad, you know, they're taking the action that you want. They're listening to your podcast.

• 19:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Obviously, you guys are just launching this, but what do you think the rates would be? Like, is this something where if I want one new person to listen, it's like a dollar per person, 10 cents, $50? Like, do you have a sense of a kind of ballpark, what that would look like?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think we're still experimenting at the moment, but what I can say is that I think we're going to be able to significantly beat the rates for traditional podcast advertising. So if you are promoting your podcast on Facebook or Instagram or some other platform, I think we're going to be able to significantly beat the rates there.

• 20:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I mean, that would be, that'd be fantastic. A lot of people would be very interested in that.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Because also for new podcasters as well, right now, if you're just starting out with a podcast and you put $100 behind Instagram ads or Facebook ads, it's not going to get you anywhere. And you don't have the budget to go and promote your show, whereas with this, you can actually set a very small, you know, either the sats per minute or the max sat value for a clip, and you can get in front of users to sample your content in a way that doesn't, you know, cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.

• 20:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. When you think about the impact on people who start to listen, I'm assuming in the beginning, you're going to get Bitcoiners, right? People who want Bitcoin, and so, hey, I'll listen to the podcast, whatever. But my guess is like, over time, the narrative goes from like, hey, this is how I can earn Bitcoin, to just, I tell a friend, like, you get paid to listen to podcasts, right? And so then my friend joins, they may or may not know anything about Bitcoin. And like, in some way, this could be a way to onboard people to Bitcoin without actually having to tell the Bitcoin story as much as just like, first come because you get paid, and then over time, you learn about Bitcoin because that's the asset that it is.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  100%. And one of the most interesting things that we've seen over the past few months is we are actually onboarding new users to Bitcoin that have never owned any before. And what's so interesting about this is because they are not buying Bitcoin for the monetary philosophy or the investment thesis. Obviously, we're big believers in that, but users are coming to Fountain and buying Bitcoin for the first time just to support their favorite shows. And what's really interesting is they do, they come back and do this again. So every couple of weeks, they're topping up, every month, they're topping up, buying more Bitcoin and purely using it for its application, not for its investment thesis or monetary philosophy.

• 21:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's fascinating to start thinking about essentially completely free, instantaneous micro-payments that are being done across the Lightning Network where it is allowing two people who don't know each other to transact in a automated way via this idea of streaming money. Like, that was a utopian dream early on, and now you all have created this way to do it. And the part that I like about it is, and you don't know who the other person is. If the podcaster's paying the audience, they have no clue who it is, right? Could be a middle-aged woman in the Midwest, could be a young teenager in Indonesia. Like,

• 22:35Anthony Pompliano?

  it could be literally anybody. But they're allowed to transact on this open system in a very unique way. And then vice versa, is if you're the podcaster receiving money, you have no clue who's giving it to you, right? And so it creates this like new digital economy that looks a little different than anything that we've ever seen before. It used to be you'd have to do business development, or you'd have to like, you know, what's your name, your bank details, your address, whatever. And now I can send you any material amount of money. You don't have to do that now.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's incredibly exciting. And I think even with what we're doing with Fountain, I think we are just scratching the surface of what's possible. And I think the opportunities are endless. It will just take creativity in terms of how we can set up different systems that, at the end of the day, incentivize better content. Because that's what it's all about. Again, if I see that you've boosted 50,000 sats on an episode, that's such high signal. There is no higher signal than that. Because it's money, you know, you've put your money behind that boost. And so, yeah, that's what I think is so exciting about this system.

• 23:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's absolutely fascinating. And is the idea that you can take this streaming money concept and bring it to pretty much anything over time? But you all are laser focused on, on audio?

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we're really excited about audio. We think it's such an amazing medium because you have the person speaking to you in your ear. And there's been studies that have shown how powerful that is compared to other mediums like video or words. So we're really excited and focused on audio. But the interesting thing about podcasting is people think of a podcast as audio that you listen to. But a podcast is just content hosted on an RSS feed. So it doesn't have to be just audio. One of the things that we're looking at as part of the podcasting 2.0 community is things like live streams, things like adding video. So you can think about hosting the live stream of this show and you see the boost coming in in real time.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  But then when the episode turns into an episode that sits there, you'll be able to go back and see those boosts. So the live stream becomes a podcast after the live stream's ended. So there's a lot more we can do, but we're starting with audio just because we believe in it as a medium.

• 24:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, this, uh, there's a path to this being a very, very, very large business opportunity, but also a complete paradigm change in the way that content is put onto the internet and the way that capital flows, right? If you really think about some unique way, Mr. Beast grew his audience by giving money to the audience. It wasn't to everyone, it was just to the people of the video, right? Walks at a store, hey, buy everything you can and grab it 60 seconds and I'll pay for it. Here's a Lamborghini or whatever. And in some way, the transfer of value was really powerful for him to build this audience. But imagine if he could give every person who watches one of his videos some economic value.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Exactly. And think about the biggest podcaster in the world, Joe Rogan. How did he grow? He grew through his clips on YouTube. And what you can actually do in Fountain is you can create clips from episodes. And then podcasters and other Fountain users can boost the clip. So you can actually, one, earn from creating clips. But the podcaster can incentivize their audience to create clips, which is ultimately going to lead to growth. And what I think is so fascinating about this is, take an hour and a half episode of a podcast. The moment that you think as the podcaster is the best moment to create as a clip

• 26:16Speaker 02

  might not be the same moment as me, might not be the same moment as the third person that listens. And so by taking that power of clipping, giving it to the listener, incentivizing it financially, I think we're going to see massive growth for podcasters that can jump on this and actually do it effectively.

• 26:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I tend to agree. And I think people are drastically underestimating this. Like, when I first saw this idea of podcasting 2.0 and kind of streaming, my first reaction was like, I don't want the audience to send me money, right? Like, I'm fine. Like, keep your Bitcoin, right? It was kind of like my general approach to it. But then when we started talking and I was like, oh, wait, so you can invert this and like you can stream backwards? I was like, this is so much bigger than just, do they pay? It's a payment technology innovation that is now brought to a sector where payments just previously weren't possible. If my podcast was sitting on iTunes or Spotify, outside of me being like, hey, here's my Venmo ID. Like, you know, if anyone liked this episode, go ahead and Venmo me.

• 27:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, that'd be super weird. I'd probably get a lot of weird messages. And so having it done in this way, not only one, allows everyone who doesn't have access to Venmo to participate, but also, two, there's a streaming component and it just feels more kind of digitally native and more effective as well.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Exactly. And the difference between you asking somebody to go and send you money on PayPal versus press the boost button in the player, and this works both ways as well. It's a massive difference.

• 27:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I completely agree. Where can we send people to try this? So if you're a podcaster, or you simply just want to listen to podcasts, where should we send them?

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you can download Fountain on iOS and Android. We're live on both platforms. And if you're a podcaster and you want to find out more about the Podcaster Wallet, or our promotions offering, just go to fountain.fm, or you can just send me an email, [email protected].

• 28:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Awesome. And then where can people find you and Nick on Twitter?

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you can find us on Twitter. My Twitter is MaryOscar, and Nick's is just NickMolster. So yeah, give us a follow, give us a DM, and we're always open to trying out new creative ways to apply this tool that we have, which is the incredible tool of streaming money.

• 28:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And I don't know if I said this, but literally, I found it so compelling, I invested in the business. And we're going to put the podcast up on this so that people can participate as well. And if you are listening to the podcast every day, you should do it on Fountain, because you may earn some money. We'll be announcing more soon, but I think it'll be pretty effective for people to use Fountain as their main player, whether they listen to our podcasts or other podcasts. But ours, for sure, will be on there and streaming money to people.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 29:02Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Thank you so much for listening. I appreciate you coming in here and talking about it. I'm super excited to see people's reaction once I start using Fountain.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Thanks, Pom.

• 29:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I really hope you guys enjoyed this one. Make sure you subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. And if you're looking to try to transition to get a new job in the Bitcoin or crypto industry, we've got you covered. Head over to pomscryptocourse.com. We've developed a curriculum with the top teams across the industry. It's a three-week intensive training program with over 50 events packed into that three-week time period. Go to pomscryptocourse.com to learn more, and I'll meet you guys for the next episode.