#2490 - RZA

RZA is a rapper, producer, composer, filmmaker, and founding member of the multimedia hip-hop collective and 2026 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees The Wu-Tang Clan. His new film, “One Spoon of Chocolate,” premieres in theaters on May 1.www.onespoonofchocolate.filmwww.youtube.com/@WuTangClanwww.youtube.com/@rza1235www.thewutangclan.com www.bobbydigital.com www.36chambers.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Training my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So, the guy that did Your Bar, Flying Guillotine, is the same guy that did The Mothership.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  Oh wow.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Richard Weiss.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, Richard, yeah.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Richard, the same designer, architect, who did Your Bar. I have a Flying Guillotine t-shirt that I wear sometimes. I was trying to find it this morning, I couldn't fucking find it.

• 0:30Speaker 02

  I wore mine yesterday. I went to the Alamo Draft House and did a screening of the film, and I said, "Would it be appropriate to wear my Staten Island Alamo Draft House to them?" And the guy there, he was like, he wanted to wear his, but, because he stole a stack from Staten Island, but he couldn't find them all.

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  I've got it somewhere. I've got it somewhere in my house, and I was scrambling this morning looking for it, looking for that t-shirt, couldn't find it.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Well, we gotta send you some more.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Definitely, definitely. So, it's great to see you again, man.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Back at you, man. Back at you, just, I got questions for you.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  What do you got?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Well, I was thinking, like, well, remember you had this place in Woodland Hills?

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  That was, what, eight years now?

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  We've been out here for six, six years.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  So, about six years ago.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you were there like eight years ago, I think.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I just remember you having the, like, the hyperbolic...

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Hyperbaric chamber?

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, the hyperbaric chamber. Are you still, are you still doing that?

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Was that what it was, or was it the sensory deprivation tank?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Oh, the one where you float?

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Is that, because we had that at the studio.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  We didn't have a hyperbaric at the studio.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Okay, so...

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  But I do have a hyperbaric.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  You have that now here?

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not here. I have it at my house, yeah.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  I just was always impressed at, um, just your consciousness on things that are unique, right? And, uh, I just, you know, and as time goes on, sometime, you know, as we evolve, whether we evolve in physically, mentally, spiritually, or economically, sometime we leave certain things behind.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  And I was, I said, "I wonder if Joe keep moving his chi in the same direction." And that's my question to you.

• 2:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, sometimes it gets caught up in momentum and you gotta step back and just realign yourself. That's, that's definitely a factor. Like, sometimes I'm too busy and I get too caught up in momentum of things and you kinda like lose, like, why am I doing this? Like, what is the, what's the process? Like, what, what is the reason for doing all this? But vacation always fixes that. Like, take a few days off and you go, okay.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Like, we can't do that flame.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  I, I feel the same, to be honest. I've been running around for like, uh, I don't know, for like eight days straight. And I like to kinda make sure I exercise, do my Tai Chi or something, or stretch my body. But, um, I was telling my wife last night, like, yo, I haven't worked out since we've been moving. And, uh, but I've been drinking every night.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  So I'm like, I gotta, um, so today, this morning, it'll be before I came here, I got up a little bit earlier. And I went and stretched and got all that out. And that's what made this question come to my head, was like, I wonder like, as we grow and we become more and more involved and we getting, whatever it is in life that's given us, how we getting these blessings, but how far do we get away from the blessings that kinda made us solid? You know what I mean?

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I try not to get as far, I, I try to stay as close as possible to like centering my body. Like, if I don't work out, like, just a couple of days in a row, I start feeling weird. Just two days.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:41Joe Rogan?

  Two days, I just start feeling like.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, crack, crack, crack, crack.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  Antsy, I feel antsy, I feel irritated, just, I don't think, think I'm thinking clear, I don't feel relaxed.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  I think I'm the same, I, maybe for me it's three and a half days.

• 3:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, what drives me nuts is like, how many people out there, that's their whole life? There's no exercise in their life, like, my God, you're doing yourself such a disservice.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  You're not, you're not a. Your mind, not just your body, but your mind needs that. You need to blow out some steam and run the machine and stretch it out and relax it afterwards and re-center yourself. And if you don't do that, you're gonna be anxious. There's so many people are dealing with like constant crippling anxiety all the time. And how many of those people don't exercise?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Right. I think that in Shaolin philosophy, we, you know, there's Qi Gong, right? And there's the Qi travels through your blood. So you gotta always continue to have the blood moving. Because the blood is the supply you have, but the oxygen, you know, gets in it and oxidates it and just keeps it flowing. And when you do stretching or you do exercises or you build up your respiration, it actually energizes the blood, which energizes every part of your body. That Qi travels through every vessel and every meridian of your body and it actually does enhance you and revigorate you.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  Fires up your endorphins, fires up your endocrine system, everything just feels better. And it calms you down. I feel like human beings are almost like batteries. Like you're storing energy all the time, but if you've got too much energy, it's leaking out of the battery. You're not purging some of it. You gotta, your body has like human requirements for movement. And if you don't, if you don't use those requirements, if you don't meet those requirements, you're just gonna feel like shit. And I think that's a big part of what's wrong with society today. There's just way too many people that aren't doing that. And they're just tense and they're tense, anxious feeling and the mental health problems

• 5:54Joe Rogan?

  that come with that, it just spills over into everything else.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Right. I gotta agree with you. And I know that people that, like my sifu, Xi Yanming, who, he probably works out like six times a day because he has to train, he has individual clients.

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  But. Um, I think Sifu is maybe ten years, ten years old, ten years older than me. Looked ten years younger than me.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, of course.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Cause he's just constantly, uh, moving that chi and exercising. He's, he still could kiss his toes, uh, in his sixties.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Babies could do that, right?

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  He still could kiss his toes like a baby. Um, but he said something to me that I, that I, that I took just heed to for myself. I said, uh, Sifu, why do you, like, why do you work out so much, right? He gave me two answers. He says, one, it feels good. It makes me feel so good. But then the other answer he gave me was that because in Shaolin, when you get up in the morning, you have to exercise, run up a mountain, run back down the mountain, do chores and all that before you eat. And he said, if you don't do that, you don't eat. And so I was like, well, that sounds like something from the Bible where it says that, uh, man should work to the sweat of his brow. You know what I mean?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  And I took that philosophy. So I know, I don't normally eat in the morning. I would normally get up, I mean, I drink coffee now, so I've been drinking coffee about ten years, I think. Uh, but I will have some coffee, some water and Bamalama. I, I get into my exercise routine when I'm home.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the best way to start a day. Yeah, I do the same. I don't work out, uh, I don't eat rather before I work out.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  I always work out first.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Right, so, cause we, then, then the, then the water is fresher, the, the food tastes better.

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you earned it too.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just a good way to start the day too. You already did the hard part. The most difficult part of your day is done.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:54Joe Rogan?

  And then everything else, and also like that difficult thing makes the mental difficulty of the rest of the day work smoother.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have a, remember that old commercial, um, The Army commercial.

• 8:05Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 8:06Speaker 02

  It was like, we do by 6 a.m.

• 8:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Some shit like, we do before 6 a.m. what most people do all day.

• 8:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  It's like, back when you first, you know, when I was young, I was like, I don't know what the fuck they talking about. But as a man, I'm like, you know, that's wisdom. Get up in the morning, get your chi going, have a beautiful day.

• 8:25Joe Rogan?

  There's something too to getting up early where you force yourself to work. You force yourself to rise. The comfort of your bed calls you, but you go, fuck you. You get up, you get shit done, and you're like, I already won. I won today. I've got a victory. I've got a victory over my inner bitch. You know, I got out there, I did something.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  I'm laughing, no, could you say totally bad, fuck you?

• 8:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what you have to say. You have to get up almost angry, fuck you. No, you're not gonna call me in there with your octopus tentacles and suck me into your depths. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right, joe rogan dot com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website like an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links. Head to Squarespace dot com slash rogan for a free trial.

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• 11:36Joe Rogan?

  Your depths of warmth and comfort? No, fuck you. Get up, get up, get going. That's why I like to get in the cold first thing. That's my morning routine is cold plunge before I work out.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  As the...

• 11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  I can't do that. Now, that is, that's kind of extreme for me. No, I'm not fucking with the cold like that.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  You get used to it, I'm telling you. You get used to it. It becomes like a normal thing.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  How long you stay in the...

• 12:01Joe Rogan?

  3 minutes.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 12:03Joe Rogan?

  It sucks. But every time I do it, I almost don't do it. Every time I do it, I'm almost like, "Don't do this. I don't want to do this. Fuck this."

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  And then I get in like, "Oh, we're doing it. We're doing it." And then I take my phone and I set, I got a little kickstand on the back of my phone, you know? So I put the timer on there and I look at it and it's all like it's at a minute. So I'm like, "All right, we're good. We're past the minute."

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Once you get past the minute.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  The minute mark is the tough part. Once you pass the minute, it's pretty easy to get to 3 minutes. You just relax.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  I only did one ice bath.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  And it was, they had bought this Tibetan Lama to New York. And it was me, I forgot the brother name. We was doing this TV show thing and they were trying to find out, they like, they were scanning our brains and see what would happen if we got in the cold bath before meditating, then meditated and then get back in, like, so whatever. Some science. And I said, "Yeah, I'll do it." I don't know why I agreed to it, but I did it, right? But... Uh, I got in that motherfucker, bro. And when I got in there, I was like, this is not the shit.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  I'm like this. And the host, he got in too. Now, I don't know if that was his first time or not. But he was younger than me, skinnier than me, you know what I mean? And when I couldn't take it no more, around one minute and whatever, it was past the minute mark. I got the fuck out, but he was still in there. And I was like, I can't have this motherfucker beat me.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  And yo, I got back in.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Um, and I, um, they got some footage of that. I think I stayed in, I don't think it was three minutes, but I think I really impressed myself because I'm super anti-cold. You know what I mean? I, I run hot, I stay hot, I'm the hot part of the, of getting, you know, when my wife is cold, she just put her hand on me and I'm, I'm the heater.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  So, so cold is like something that, um... Yeah, I don't like it.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't enjoy it. But there's a little mind game that goes on. And the mind game is almost immediately, you're like, oh, fuck this. Let's just, um, just, let's get out of here, let's get out of here. You gotta ignore that and just concentrate on breathing. So what I do is I, I breathe to a count of 10. So I, I do this, one,

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  two, three,

• 14:36Joe Rogan?

  and I just concentrate on the numbers. And then by the time I get to 10, it's basically like a minute and I'm relaxed. And then I just settle in there. It's just you concentrate on breathing and don't think about that party that wants to get out.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Right. So maybe, I'm, I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna try a cold shower.

• 14:52Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. Cold shower in, in New York is great if you, uh, like in the winter. Because that's real cold.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:59Joe Rogan?

  That's real cold. Like, that's like, I used to take cold showers in, my friend Bob Cafarella, he used to do this, uh, at our Taekwondo school. He would take cold showers after training and I was like, that guy is a fucking animal. And I tried it a couple of times, but I, I was a bitch. I did it like 15 seconds and I jumped out. But he would just stay there and lay in the cold, freezing cold winter, cold water and just wash himself. And I was like, this guy's an animal, man.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  I think, um, my brother Kung Lee, I haven't seen Kung Lee in years.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Kung Lee the fighter?

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  Um, um, I remember we was, cause we did a movie years ago in China. But he was, he was the cold plunger of the crew.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  He's ahead of the curve on all that shit.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just, it's the mental thing is where really where it benefits you and not just while you're in it. Like doing it because you don't want to do it, but when you get out, you feel so good. Your brain just is flooded with all these endorphins.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  You feel so good and it lasts for hours and hours.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, uh, I'm gonna revisit that.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  I think there's like, there's numbers on the dopamine increase, but I, I forget what they are off the top of my head. But there's a giant increase in dopamine that lasts like two to three hours after you're getting out of the cold plunge.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Wow, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know you're, you're a long time martial arts student and I think anybody that does martial arts for a long time realizes that it is as much for your mind as it is for anything else.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  Like it's not just a workout, it's a workout, but it's also like, there's something about going through the motions of, of martial arts and training in martial arts. It's so, it's, it's, it requires so much concentration and it requires so much of your focus that the rest of the world just kind of fades away and, and the impact of it is relaxed.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:48Joe Rogan?

  Because of that.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  It's mental, physical and spiritual.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Uh, it's emotional.

• 16:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  It's will, you know, there's a, there's an esoteric thing, um, you know, seven planes of energies or five stages of consciousness. I don't know if you ever came across these type of terms, but probably have, but, but sometimes we, we get stuck on a, on just the three dimensions, you know what I mean? Just three planes, you know, and, and you don't get to the emotional, you don't get to the will part of it. You don't get to the realization, the control, right? If you could get to realization. Then you can control what's going on because you realize what it is. It's almost like you can now have the foresight of what it is. And then if you could get to that type of plane of energy,

• 17:38Speaker 02

  then the possibilities become infinite because you realize that that you, like they say, we all have a free will, right? But then you realize that the will can be controlled, right? You also realize that with a strong will, you can control others as well.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Because some people are walking around with weak wills.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  That's how you start a cult.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Oh, by having the strongest will. And you come here. Yeah, hold on, you made me. I have a, I have, I do have a film and shit, right? Called One Spoon of Chocolate and.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  I watched half of it. I had a problem. There was a problem with the early screener. I was mirroring it on my television and it kept breaking up. It kept fucking up where like the sound would cut in and cut out. And I did it a couple of times and then the screener ran out because I guess you can only watch it a few times. So then I had to contact your people and then they gave me another one. But then they gave me one on Vimeo and I watched that in the gym today. So I watched the first half of the movie and I'm gonna watch the second half.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Oh, good. Take your time. Take your time. It's a crazy one. It's a fun watch. It's a lot of ways.

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  And you did it with Tarantino.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  And it seems like.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of Tarantino flavor to it.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  But I was, I was, I brought it up just to say that there's a, there's a character who actually takes ice plunges, right?

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  And.

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  The bad guy.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, the villain.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  So you're talking about cults and things in a way. There's a scene where when we introduce him, you could tell that everybody else there are bending to his will, right? He shows them how to do this and you'll do this and you do that. And then there's the fucking, I guess the weak will guy and he's like, and that's why Jimmy's the fucking king, man.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  I laughed at that.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly.

• 19:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  So that's the point I'm making is that so will can control, you know what I mean?

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  But if you realize yourself and have that self-realization, self-actualization, you gain control over yourself, you know what I mean? And control your planes of energy. So we're talking about martial arts and martial arts help you achieve that goal.

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my instructor used to say that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  That it's so difficult that in learning how to get, I don't like the term mastery because I don't think you ever really master martial arts, but in learning martial arts, the difficulty that's involved in that, it expands your potential in everything that you do.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  I agree. And for me, I actually, you know, I always tell people on a physical level, I don't know if I'm good or not, to be honest, you know what I mean? Took up some hunga and shaolin, of course, a little bit of Wing Chun here and there, but, but I don't claim to be like a martial art fighter, but I will claim to be a martial artist because of the mind, because the way I think, because the way it allowed me to think, you know, it's like, it's like I have probably 20 books on Tai Chi and I read them. And so I understand it, the application of it, like there's a meditation called the eight pieces of brocade, you ever come across that one?

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  So.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  What's the word, brocade?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, brocade, meaning blockage.

• 21:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  So it's eight ways to unblock yourself, like to unblock your Chi. One of the first ones, of course, you sit in Lotus and you just take your thumbs and you bang on the back of your, basically your medulla ob glata. I'll give you, I'll touch this real quick, if you don't mind.

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  Back of your head?

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, right here.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  You see how loud that, you see how loud that is?

• 21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Right? So you cover, so you cover your ears and you bang on those drums first thing in the morning. And it, exactly, and it opens up some of your chakras.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  So.

• 21:39Joe Rogan?

  That feels weird.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Because it's loud, it's loud as it could be, right?

• 21:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Well, point being made by studying all these different books is like the physical part, of course, is exciting, but to me, the mental part is even became more exciting, the more that I can apply, therefore, I can apply it to my music, I can apply it to business, I can apply it to how to be a better father and all those things.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Versus me just punching and trying to break a brick, you know what I mean?

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Yeah, there's, I mean, that's Tai Chi, right? It's all mental. The Tai Chi is a martial arts sorta, I mean, I guess like you would learn how to move your body better, that could kind of help you applied in a self-defense situation, but it's much more of a mental martial art.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:28Joe Rogan?

  And I used to, when I lived in San Francisco, I used to watch people in the park. These old Chinese people would go out there and practice Tai Chi. I was like, what are they doing? I was a kid, I was, you know, I was eight, I was dumb. But I was like, what is the purpose of doing this all day?

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, and then, once you do it a few times, you're like, oh, this is not easy to do.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  And then, in doing that, it cleans your mind of everything else that's going on, because all you're concentrating on is these movements, these very typical, they're not stupid, like, they've been doing this for thousands of years for a reason, because it helps them.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Well, the crazy thing about Tai Chi, um, um, give you a little information about it that you may or may not know, but the idea with Tai Chi is that if you master it or you have that control over it, you should be able to move a thousand pounds with just four ounces of energy. So, the idea of them pushing constantly means that something that ever came to them, that's, they push that aside without even thinking about it.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Right? Because just four ounces of energy can divert, it's almost like tripping a giant.

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  I think it's great on paper.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  An actual giant. I don't care how much tai chi you know. A dude is like a 300 pound all American wrestler. He comes charging out. You ain't gonna use four ounces of energy and divert him.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  Well, I'mma argue that, right?

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  The four ounces you use is just step to the side.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody who says that, step to the side.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  It ain't easy, of course.

• 23:54Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work. It doesn't work. They grab you.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  You're not getting up.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  But then another, well, I mean, a fight is a fight. That's a difference between a martial art and a fight, right?

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also just the reality of physics. You know, I mean, it's one thing if you're doing that to an unskilled person. But to a skilled person, really, you need to know the skill that they're applying. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's the difference between like someone who's practicing something that is great in theory. But I mean, it's not, it's not just in theory. Like physically and mentally, it's great for you. But it's just, it's not the right application in terms of actual hand to hand combat.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, a fight is a fight. I don't care.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  I mean, in my opinion, a fight is a fight. I don't care which, I don't care.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  You know, if you the best boxer in the world that knock motherfuckers out. Like, like, like one of our greatest fighters, Mike Tyson, who wasn't just that he was a fighter. He was a fighter, right? Of course, he had a skill set and he was a well trained. But, but in the peak of his fights. I don't care how much somebody else trained. When he got in the ring to fight, there weren't better fighters. They could have been better boxers, better athletes, better whatever. So I think a fight, and this is my opinion. It's an instinct. It's a, you know, like would you.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Like when Mike bit his ear.

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Right?

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  That's a fight. That's that has nothing to do with with boxing.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  I think that was frustration, you know, unfortunately. You know, that was a Evander was beating him up.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think he liked it.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Evander was beating him up.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Uh professionally.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Skillfully in boxing. But then Mike went to fighting.

• 25:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  And fighting like in like an MMA, you can't bite in MMA. You can't bite in no sport, right?

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Uh you ain't supposed to hit the nuts, right? You ain't supposed to.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  I know, which is crazy, cuz.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  In a fight.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  The nuts are one of the best spots to hit.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Exactly, in the eyes. You ain't supposed to poke the eyes.

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  My friend Eddie had a an idea for a comedy sketch called Ultimate Sack Fighting. Where it's just dudes are just just the nuts are the only target.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing how vulnerable we really are. Our balls just sitting on the outside like that. Yeah, fights, you poke in the eye, I mean, you poke in the eye in an MMA fight, the referee stops the time and you get a point deducted.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's a very good technique in an actual fight.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's well, that's that's what I meant by saying like. So you could train and train and train. But when you uh when there's life against life or life of death, it's a whole nother chamber of uh of fighting for survival, you know what I mean?

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  There's some horrible videos of no rules fights. Or they have these no rules fights in Russia and a bunch of other places. But they do them outside in a field and these guys fight and this wrestler gets this guy down and he just shoves his thumbs in his eyeballs. And he gets on top of him and he just grabs his face and shoves and the guy's just screaming, is trying to move his head away and he he taps. His blood all over his eyeballs.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Party over.

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  Party's over, yeah. You realize like how devastating that is, like the pain and the the just the.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  And you know what's so crazy? The person who did it, like the maybe the guy who got the chance to do it. It's not easy. And tell me if you agree with this, you could disagree, but. It's not easy to do that either.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  I don't mean not easy that you can't do it. It's not easy for your spirit to do it.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  You see what I mean?

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  It's evil.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, so that's a whole nother chamber. It's like, yo, will you do it?

• 27:45Joe Rogan?

  Will you blind a man?

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, will you do it, right? And it's like, maybe you won't. And, but if he will and you won't.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's what I, that's when, my seafood says that about, he, cause he done to train nobody how to fight. He said, I can't teach nobody how to fight. You know what I mean? I could teach you how to build your body, how to build your chi, how to build some strength. But to fight, bro, it's, it's, it's different. There's no rules. It's, it's life and death. It's like, and, and, and your will, going back to the will, what we talked about, your willpower has better be strong to survive. I love what Bruce Lee said, uh, he practiced the art of not fighting. You know what I mean? So, and I told that to my son. I was like, yo, bro, listen, if you could run, bro, run.

• 28:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Be up out of there. That motherfucker chase you, you know, you gotta, you gotta go to, you gotta think on something. But if you could just, yo, that's right now, yo, yo, you wanna fight? Oh, yo, you know what, Joe? I'll see you later, bro. You know what I mean?

• 28:47Joe Rogan?

  I know. There's too many people that get into fights for no reason and you wind up changing the rest of your life. You got a scar that's gonna be with you forever, or you accidentally kill somebody. It's stupid. It's a stupid thing to do. And there's so many men that feel like they just have to prove themselves, which is what a gym is for. Go to the gym. Go to the gym. Work out with,

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  with other fighters, train, get beat up, realize where you're at, get a realistic sense of your actual ability and then improve upon them. But don't go getting in street fights. Please, God, don't do it. Don't do it.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  And, uh, for me, I put all my aggression and all my energy into my art. You know, you think about, um, some of my early songs, you know, when the motherfucking rockers, bro, that was, that was like, I used to have a, I had a, um, I had like a, a problem of, uh, I don't know if it was anger management, maybe, uh, But I, but I would just like, like, I don't know, like, I needed to hear the sound of breaking glass. I used to scream, like, Jezza was like, yo, this dude, like, cause I, cause I was, and I realized that I had so much, uh, anger in me that, you know, I couldn't really get it out. I was kind of hokish in a way, like, like Bruce Banner or some shit, right?

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Uh, but then through music, it started to come out and it started to come out. And by the time I got to, um, um, Wu-Tang Forever, a lot of my anger was in the song. If you want beef, then bring the rockers. And like all that stage and all that energy. So it really helped me. And then I realized going, bringing up today to my, to my new film. I'm watching it and I'm just like, okay, once again, I took all the anger and I put it into the art. You know what I mean? There's actually a, a character in the, in the film, uh, name, his name is Unique. Did you, uh, did you catch that when you saw the piece?

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Unique is the, is the name of old Dirty Bastard. His original name was Asun Unique.

• 30:52Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  And so that was my way of, uh, of giving homage to him by naming the, the lead character of my new film, Unique. And, and, and, and he's, and it says in the film, he says, uh, you got a problem with anger, anger management.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  He says, yeah, I'm working on that. And, um, and what I, what I love about, uh, the art of it is that the problem that he had with anger management was his reaction. Like, a lot of us, we just react too much. We react before we think. Right? Um, cause they say a man could think seven times before he reacts. That's how fast your mind can move, but we go on that first impulse. But this, this character, he keeps, uh, he holds the anger until one morning, he's, uh, he's, he's at a veteran home, right? And he's sitting there and he's having breakfast and he has this can, right? You see, seen this thing, right? And he's like, he digs a spoon in there and it's like fucking, there's nothing in it. Like, it's, it's not even, it's like one spoon of chocolate in it.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  And he gets what? Angry. And he bangs it. Boom! Who the fuck left one spoon of chocolate in the can? But then it took an old man that was settled to tell him. Once when the chocolate.

• 32:08Joe Rogan?

  Changed a whole glass of milk.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Changed a whole glass of milk. And then you notice that character from that, then he calmed down, he started reading to the kids. So, and that was kind of me taking some of my personality, some of you, some of old dirty's personalities, some of personalities that I see in my community and putting into this character. This, this say like, yo, sometimes, yo, calm down, listen to the wisdom of your elders, right? Have you ever, have you ever, um, in your life, I'mma ask you, have you ever like, come across some old person, whether it's a homeless guy, devastated guy, your uncle, somebody, that you kind of didn't look up to in no way, just kind of neighbors, but then they say something to you that's profound and changed your life?

• 32:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man, I'm, I try to find an example. I mean, I've, I've definitely gotten a lot of advice from old timers. But definitely people, especially people that have done a lot of things, you know? People that have accomplished things, made mistakes and recovered from their mistakes. Yeah.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  I mean, I ask because I was, uh, maybe eleven. And there was a, uh, like a dope fiend that was dating my aunt. And he was at the table and shit, and he was like nodding, but he was just, he was kind of in his, in a chamber, bro. You know, you know, kids, we looking, I'm looking at this guy and shit. And he said, said something about like, you know, I don't care, man, you gotta get knowledge, man. You gotta get knowledge, man. The gods is right, man. You gotta get knowledge.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  I started reading since that day, bro.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Seriously.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  The dope fiend?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  Inspired you to read?

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. He said, cause he said you gotta get, what happened was he had knowledge of self, I guess, back before the drugs hit him. And now he's like there and he was like, he was just said, you gotta get knowledge, the gods are right, the gods are right. And, and so.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  What was he on? What, what was the drug of choice?

• 34:08Speaker 02

  He was on fucking, he, he shot that shit up.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  Heroin?

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's the old days back when they shoot it. Now everybody's on pills.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  I never, I never, I don't know about that.

• 34:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about it either, but I mean, I don't know about it personally, but that's, it's essentially what oxycodone is. All those pain pills that you see all these people dying of.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Right, opioids.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, opioids, yeah. The number one problem, I mean, I think the, the deaths in America, it's, it's upwards of seventy thousand a year. I know, it's crazy.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  Just from the, just from overdosing on pills.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and most of it happened because of the Sackler family.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  The what?

• 34:47Joe Rogan?

  The Sackler family, this one family that convinced people that taking these incredibly potent opioids, did you ever see, see that Netflix docu-series Painkiller?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  I didn't see that one.

• 35:00Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. It's all about the Sackler family. It's, Peter Berg made it. Same guy who made, you know Peter?

• 35:06Speaker 02

  I know Peter, yeah.

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  He's great.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  He's great, yeah.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  Lone Survivor, made a bunch of excellent movies, he's great. Uh, he made this documentary on documenting how, well, it's not a documentary, a docu-drama series or recreation, showing how this one family, um, they, they wanted to figure out a way where they could sell opioids to everyone. And the way they did it was like giving people pain management tools, giving people medication that you could be on forever, and they, they made it, and they pushed it through these different doctors, and they had all these hot ladies who were representatives of the pharmaceutical drug companies that come to the doctor, and they were the, the reps that would come and sell the things, and, yeah, I mean, really.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  And they were all financially incentivized to sell it, and they tried to pretend that it wasn't addictive, and they lied about that, and they got, who knows how many thousands and thousands and thousands of people ruined their lives because of it, and, like I said, seventy thousand die every year, just in America, just from opioids.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  That's crazy, bro.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  From overdoses. I mean, and how many more would there be of that if it wasn't for Narcan?

• 36:16Speaker 02

  That's not, well, that's the, that's the counter, right?

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the stuff that the EMTs give you, if they find you overdosing, they give you Narcan, and it, it kills it and brings you back to life, and, uh... That one family, you know, no one's gone to jail. No one's gone to jail. They, I mean, I don't even know how much they've been fined. But if it wasn't for what they did, and again, well documented in that Netflix series. It's horrific, man. It's really terrifying. Because it's not just the people that died, the people that are addicted. It's all the family members that were affected by them. All the children of those people and what happened with their lives. All the spouses and the brothers and sisters of those people and what happened with their lives.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Maybe, then when you were saying that, my imagery in my head was that scene in American Gangster. When it was like Thanksgiving and they showed Frank Lucas at the table with his whole family. They had a nice spread of food. And then they, the camera went and showed all the families that was hooked on the blue magic drug.

• 37:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  They had like the lady dying over here, the kid, the kid looking at her mother dead. Or so the difference, I guess, that's the image that came in my head when you said that. But I guess the difference is, in that particular case, somebody goes to jail and pays the price for the crime. But in this particular case, you're saying that nobody.

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

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• 38:23Joe Rogan?

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• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  And part of it is also because people get addicted to it and then they get stuff from the cartel that has fentanyl in it, and that's why they're dying. But there's a bunch of people that just died from straight up overdose of opioids, too. It's terrifying. And it's over the counter? Yeah, and yeah, no, it's not over the counter. You have to get prescribed, but doctors are happy to prescribe it for you. I got my nose fixed. I had a deviated septum. And they cleaned it out. And I was leaving the doctor's office and he gave me two prescriptions for opioids. And I said, But I don't, I'm not in pain. He goes, but you, you probably will be. And I go, but is it gonna be worse than this right now? Like, we're just out of the operation. My nose was, I have like this, these things stuffed up your nose to keep your nostrils open and,

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  and I was like, are you sure it's gonna be worse than this? And he gave me two prescriptions. And I, I went home and I was like, I don't need these. Like, I didn't fill them, but I'm like, this is not, but this guy was giving me two different opioids to take.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  You would've been, he would've had, you would've went back.

• 40:51Joe Rogan?

  I probably would've been hooked.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would've went back.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  I know a lot of people that got hooked, man. I'm not, I'm, I'm under no illusion that I'm stronger than those people, that I would've figured out a way to not get hooked.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  So many people that I know got hooked.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  So you're saying like, let me just go back on this, cause I actually don't take nothing, bro. Like, I drink tea or, you know, I'm very, um, I mean, I do pump an asthma inhaler.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  Do you?

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I, when I get it, cause I had asthma since, yeah, had asthma my whole life. Other than that, I don't really take no Tylenol or nothing, bro.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck all that stuff.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  But you're saying though, at the end of the day, just taking, doing this back at you, the doctor basically, sling, gave you some free shit.

• 41:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  To kinda have you as a customer. Cause when crack came out, I remember this.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  I think he's financially incentivized.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  That's what I mean.

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  I think they're financially incentivized to prescribe you this medic. Cause he didn't say, if you're in pain, contact me and I'll fill you a prescription. Cause it's just my nose, man. It's just the nose. It's not that big a deal. Like, I slept fine. It was nothing.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 41:58Joe Rogan?

  And I tried to tell him, I'm like, I don't understand why you're giving me, like, we had a conversation, I go, is it gonna be worse than it is right now? Like, right now, I'm not in any pain. He goes, it could probably get worse. I'm like, how much worse? Cause right now, I don't feel anything. It's like nothing. It's like mildly uncomfortable because I have these tubes stuffed up my nose.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  But this is not, this doesn't require heroin. This is crazy.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  I'm not laughing at you, I'm not laughing, I'm just.

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  But it is kinda nuts that they're financially incentivized.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Let me go back to the film.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  No, because in the film, there's a, there's a, um, article that, uh, I hero opens up in a, in a paper. It's not the same subject, but it's a medical thing. And then it's, it's just like, this, this particular county is leading.

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Is leading in, in this particular process, uh, because there's money in it.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  If it's money, sadly.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  You know, I mean, and that's, it's a movie, but sadly, if there's money involved, uh, people can become insidious, right?

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  People can become like, uh, yeah, you, you, you could get strung out, you could get strung out. I done sold, you know, I got, I, I wrote 20 prescriptions this week and they're not cheap, right? How much is the prescription when they, when you fill it? Is that like 40 bucks, a hundred bucks?

• 43:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, it's not cheap, but more importantly, the doctor gets incentivized. When I hear some dark shit, I was reading about this doctor that was a, an oncologist, so he's dealing with cancer patients. And he was giving chemotherapy to people that didn't have cancer because it would get him more money.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Oh, you're making, you kinda fucked me up with that. Yeah, then you kinda hit my emotion, cause I just lost my brother to cancer, my brother power.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry to hear that.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Let me take a moment.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry to hear that.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's one of the most profitable, um, medications, unfortunately, for physicians. Well, not unfortunate, look, if it saves your life, that's wonderful. But the reality is this one doctor that I'm discussing, this one doctor decided that he was going to get paid more by just giving chemotherapy to people that didn't have cancer. So he diagnosed a bunch of people with cancer. They didn't have it. Said, oh, unfortunately, you have cancer. The good news is, we get you on chemotherapy right away. We think we can kick it. And they were regular people with nothing wrong with them, and this fucking guy gave them poison.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  You know how much the chemo costs?

• 44:27Joe Rogan?

  It's very expensive.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's about thirty to sixty grand a hit.

• 44:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not surprised. And the doctors profit off of that. It's one of the most profitable medications that doctors prescribe, unfortunately. And look, most doctors would never fucking imagine doing that in a million years. But this one doctor, like, his, his thought process was, hey, this is how I get paid. You know, I'm dealing with all this overhead, I'm dealing with all this liability insurance, I'm dealing with medical school bills, I'm dealing with all this, fuck this. I'm just gonna start prescribing a little bit of chemotherapy here and there to people that don't actually have cancer. And I don't know how he got caught. I don't know what happened, but I think it was just.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  They got him though.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  There was some red flag, yeah, they got him, he's in jail. There was some red flag where they noticed, like, why are so many people getting cancer with this one doctor? Like, why is his number so high? It doesn't, it's not representative of the norm.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Percentage that, yeah, right.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  That's crazy, bro.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  But that's what, that's what's hard to imagine, is that money would incentivize someone to tell a person, like, how many people just commit suicide because they think they're dying of cancer? And they go, fuck, I'm not on, I don't want to do this. I don't want to suffer. I'm just gonna fucking go out on my own terms, you know?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  How many people, how many people's lives did that ruin?

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Well, I don't, well, that's, fortunately, that was terrible. I had, I had to kind of emotionally rebound from that because it's just, you kind of made me think like, yeah, I don't know, like, like, you know, we don't have the answer to shit, you know what I mean? And things happen in life, and sometimes you just like, you know. But I, I do have instinct, and I always, I, you know, I just felt that something wasn't, uh, I don't know, I won't even go there, but. You said that money, why would, that, why would he do it for the money? It's like, yo, everything is for the money, bro. Motherfuckers is doing, you know, cash rules.

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  Everything around me.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Everything around me, bro, you know what I mean?

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  Get the money.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:27Joe Rogan?

  Dollar, dollar bills.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  And people were stuck on that, you know what I mean? The, the goal, hopefully, because we live in a capitalist society.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  But the goal should be that cash doesn't rule you. Money shouldn't rule you.

• 46:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  We need it, you know what I mean? You know, food, clothing and shelter. You're gonna, you're gonna need that. There ain't nothing given here, but, but it doesn't surprise me, you know, that that's the motivation for insidious behavior, you know? I was, um, I'm gonna go back a little history here.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  It's, um, we're working on another project where we tap into, uh, it's kind of fantasy. I, I, I just write off my imagination, but, but I, I had the, the, this family.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  They are, they are ance-, their, their ancestors are from Congo. And in the Congo, they traced their ancestry back to the Leopold days. And you think about the Leopold days, millions of Africans were mined, chopped off their arms and shit. All because the gag was they wanted them to work and to get the rubber from the rubber tree. So the rubber at one point became the main gold of the world, right? And, and King Leopold went over to Congo and you get Tarzan out of this shit. All right, that's the, that's the, the fictional story, but he goes over and I think they said

• 47:57Speaker 02

  at minimum, two million people, but I think it's five million, that were just mined or killed just for the economic profit of what those rubber trees was offering to, uh, Western civilization.

• 48:15Joe Rogan?

  That's happening right now with cobalt. I had this guy Siddharth Kara on the podcast, uh, he wrote a book. Jamie, do you remember what the name of that book was? His book on cobalt mining in the Congo. So cobalt is a critical mineral that's used in cellphone batteries.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  And many electronics. And that is cobalt red, the blood of the Congo powers our lives. It's a very disturbing conversation. And he had, he snuck in cameras and got some footage of these people doing what, you know, you think that this stuff is mined in some sort of industrial process. Look at this. This is how these people are mining. And you've got women who are, have babies on their backs. And all this cobalt that they're knocking out of the ground is completely toxic. Some of them just have like a bandana over their mouth that they're using to protect themselves from it. But look how deep that is with human beings that are just pulling cobalt. They live on dirt floors.

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  They, they live at the lowest level poverty imaginable. They don't have clean water. They don't have good food. And they are pulling out a mineral that's essential to the most technologically sophisticated aspect of our society, which is our connectivity through the internet, through cellphones. And this is at the, which is kind of crazy. If you think of like, the most technologically sophisticated aspect of our society, if you follow it all the way down to the very bottom of the food chain, you've got slave labor. And that's a giant percentage of the cobalt that's in our cellphones and our electronics is coming out of this place.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  You know, so I've never seen that before, bro.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are run by China. Yeah, and it's, it's very scary, man.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  I've never seen it, but, but I wrote a lyric that touches upon it. I didn't, I've never seen those images before.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  He's got videos. See if you can find the video. The video's dark, dude.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  I think my lyric said, uh, let's see if I can remember my lyric. It was a song I wrote called "The Fate of the World Is In Your Hand", was me and DJ Scratch. And, uh, what I, I knew that, I knew that cobalt ore, I knew that they was getting the mineral from Congo. Um, but I didn't know it like that. It was something like, you know, as an artist, your fucking antenna, right? You get shit. But I said something, uh, I said, I'm trying to remember the lyric I said. It was like, uh,

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Hey, could you pull up the lyrics to this song, the fate of the world as well? After you do this?

• 50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, play that video real quick, but please, look at this. How crazy is this? By the way, all this seen almost biblical toil, the prize is cobalt. And here's the thing, all this shit is super toxic. So all these people are breathing in this insanely toxic dust. And they're knocking it out of the ground with hammers and carrying it off in bags.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Look at this shit, yo.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  This is, this is, this looks biblical, bro.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, and imagine how fucking heavy these bags are. And they're doing this all day long. Look at these guys struggling to pick those bags up. And they're carrying this shit all day long. And they're just knocking it into the ground, trying to pull out this cobalt. And the thing is, is like, this is what we need to power our phones, which is so crazy. If you think about all these people that are virtue signaling about how wonderful and ethical and moral they are, they're doing it on a phone that is literally powered by slave labor.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  And it's crazy that this is going on in 2026. And most people aren't even aware of it.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Well, this is, well, you're back. Like I just said, the project I'm working on now, we just talk about it. We take, we're tracing it back to the rubber tree, but.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  It's still going on.

• 52:01Joe Rogan?

  Still going on, still going on. And that's just cobalt. There's other stuff that they're mining there, too. It's very similar. There's other, other, what they call conflict minerals.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Pull up, pull up my lyric for the fate of the world. Just wanted to just point out what I said there, if you got that on Genius or something.

• 52:23Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it says, "A thousand years of darkness, the world got struck with sorrow. Hallowed be thy name, we need a better tomorrow." Go to the second, the second verse, let me see.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Uh, MC, wait. Oh, no, wrong song. That's what it was. I got too many songs. It's called, uh...

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  You forgot the name of your own song? That's hilarious.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:51Joe Rogan?

  You got too many songs.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  What's the other one on that one? Uh, um, go, open that. No, not that one. Go to the other, uh, the other, what do you call it? The other, go to the album title. Yeah, hit the, the album, Saturday Afternoon. You gonna edit some of this, right?

• 53:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  You don't edit? Okay, well, we gonna, y'all gonna, y'all gonna bear with us.

• 53:11Joe Rogan?

  Saturday Afternoon Kung Fu Theater.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Go to the, uh, oh, it's called the, uh, wait, The Great Fisherman. Right, let me see the titles of the songs.

• 53:22Joe Rogan?

  Fisherman.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Fisherman. Yeah, pull that one up. Put those lyrics up.

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  So what is Genius? Genius is it shows all the lyrics?

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is? And then it actually has a song underneath it? Oh, that's cool. I didn't even know that existed.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  People can annotate and tell you what people were meant by what they said.

• 53:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:38Joe Rogan?

  On Genius?

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cool.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Okay, right there, there you go. Look, "The great fisherman, a fisherman, are trying to make a remedy for the elixir of sin. A premonition, we need divine intervention. This whole world is, the whole world is a stage, so it's time for intermission. In the middle of the Congo jungle, there's a combo of concentrated elements that make the world's phones glow."

• 54:00Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  But they got a small zone for their phones, though, because they don't even got reception out there. But we used to communicate just banging on the bongo. That's when the village was more motherly and more brotherly. But then the Dutch came through and killed the war for the rubber tree.

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  King Leopold, city was built from a sea of gold. And the resurrecter still trading on a silky road. Yeah.

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  Those are some bars.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  Respect. But point, but that's not, not doing that to show off or nothing, but...

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  But it's real, yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you just gave me, but you gave me like the full, you gave me the connotation and the annotation of the lyric by, because I didn't even see, I never seen that before.

• 54:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  I just, I just heard that they gotta get it from there, and I knew the history of King Leopold, but I did not know that. This is still.

• 54:48Joe Rogan?

  Still.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  This is crazy, bro.

• 54:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's still going on and it'll continue going on as long as no light is shown on it. And this is what Siddharthkar was trying to do with his book and, you know, the, the tour that he was doing and doing podcasts and trying to let, I mean, he risked his life, man. I mean, they questioned him and he got very lucky that he got out of there with that footage.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:08Joe Rogan?

  Because they want to make sure that nobody knows about this shit. They don't want any outrage. They want the mining to keep going as planned.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, it's.

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  It's dark.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  It's dark, yeah.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a multi, multi-billion dollar industry that's powered by abject poverty.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Trillion.

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  Probably trillion.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's like you're just saying, like, if it's in all our phones, that means.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Not just our phones, but I think it's in a lot of electronics. I, I think it's, might be, is cobalt in electric cars? I think they're, they're trying to make new formulations of batteries without cobalt. So there's a, Jamie, what is that? I know a lot of the Chinese cell phones are using a different battery technology instead of lithium ion. They have something else that's more dense.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Well, that's, yeah, cobalt's a critical component in lithium. On batteries.

• 56:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, lithium ion batteries. What is, what is, like, Oppo? There's a bunch of these new Chinese companies that have cell phones that have much more battery, like, instead of like, like a Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra has a 5,000 milliamp battery in it. I think these Oppo phones have 7,000 plus, but it's, I think it's carbon silicon based batteries. I wonder if they have cobalt in them. They've, they've, you know, as technology for batteries changes and advances, they need different kinds of components in them.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  But, I mean, then you gotta find out, where are they getting that shit from? Is that another, like, conflict mineral that they have people digging out of the ground with sticks?

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Well, the other thing to think about, you know, just, let's say it is worth trillions of dollars. Like, when do, um, the people who, you know, like, if that's on my property, bro?

• 57:07Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying, is my, you come to my crib for it, I should get, be getting paid off of that.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  I should be, I, I mean.

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know how it works, China comes in, it's a lot of these are Chinese run, China comes in, they pay off the people that are in power in these areas. And those people will get wealthy, and then all the people that are the workers, they all get, like.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Pennies.

• 57:32Joe Rogan?

  As small a wage as you could possibly pay them to keep them alive. These people live on dirt floors.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 57:38Joe Rogan?

  No food, it's horrible, it's, it's really dark, man, because it's what powers electronics, which is nuts. Cause that's the most sophisticated aspect of our society in terms of technology.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Well, the government of those places, and not to get here, like I'm, like, you know, I'm a artist, and I'm a spiritual man. But they should be like, yo, hold on, bro.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  Like, like in Alaska, right? There's a pipeline that goes through Alaska, you know about this pipeline, right?

• 58:07Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  But the citizens of Alaska get so, they get a royalty for that.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Okay, like, the, the, like, if I'm in Congo, and I got this cobalt that's worth trillions, and I got all, all these people, give them, give them a royalty.

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent, if that was America, that would probably the only way to do it, but obviously you couldn't pay people the way you pay people in the Congo, in America, anyway, we have laws. But this is also why they want illegal immigration, that's part of the reason why they like illegal immigration is because you don't have paperwork, you don't have to pay people what they're supposed to get paid. Do you pull that back up again, Jamie, please? How about the silicon carbide batteries? So it seems like one of the reasons for utilizing this new technology is because it's not using as much cobalt. So, uh, advanced lithium ion technology using silicon to replace traditional graphite anodes. Offering roughly twenty to forty percent higher energy density and faster charging, especially in smartphones.

• 59:05Joe Rogan?

  Does it say anything, I thought the.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  So it has cobalt in that as well? But less maybe?

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  It enables more sustainable cobalt reduced designs. So you have less cobalt.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Less, right.

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  And it's more energy density. So these Chinese phones are, yeah, here it is, Honor Magic 5 Pro. A lot of these OnePlus 13, a lot of these Chinese made Android phones are using much more advanced battery technology.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  So they're trying to ease up on it a little bit, basically?

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I don't know. The hard, the question is like, well, where are you getting everything else? Where's all that other shit that's in your phone? And how are you mining that? If you're hiding how you mine cobalt, how are you mining all the other stuff? Because they're all conflict minerals. And a lot of these minerals unfortunately are mined out of the third world. They find them in these places where people are really poor. And the people that live there, they don't benefit from it. Their lives don't get any better. In fact, they get worse because they get poisoned.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Well, the thing, the thing that, but, but, let me add some wisdom to that. The people got to realize that they are not poor. Right? Because if that is valuable and you're standing on it, then you're standing on value. You know?

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why they keep them poor, because they can't organize them.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  But think about the Holy Quran for a moment, right? Let me, let me go here for a little spiritual here, right? So, in the Holy Quran, it mentions that, you know, if the Muslims were to do what they was gonna do, that they would have many wells. Right? Because, you know, they living in the desert, basically, right? And it says they're gonna have abundant of wells. It's not an abundant of water wells in the Middle East. Right? And these are people that are living nomadic, economically, not really at the level of the rest of the world. But it's a prophecy telling them that they're gonna have wells. But what kind of wells they end up having?

• 1:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Oil.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Oil wells. Right? And so now all of a sudden, they become the most richest small region in the world.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  So the promise is fulfilled. Right? But the gag is that the people got to realize sometime where you stand, where you stand on your land. You know what I mean? The value of it, as the Bible would say, yo.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Work to the sweat of your brow to dig and plow and make your land valuable. But now if you, if, so if, if, I'm just saying that the people where they're going to get, whatever they're going to get, bro. Okay, I don't care if you're going to get some berries in the Amazon. If the berries is worth money, then the dude who got all the berries gotta realize that, yo, bro.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Let's make a deal. But you, but it seem like that ain't happening.

• 1:01:54Joe Rogan?

  No. No, it's not happening. And the reason why it's not happening is because you have enormous corporations to come in from other countries. They get contracts and they pay off the people that are the leaders of these countries or the people that are the leaders of the military. And then those people keep these people oppressed.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  And that's what, I mean, it's, it's the people that are running these countries that are making sure that these people don't get paid what they deserve so that they can keep them working there for slave wages. So they keep their profits as high as possible. They also keep the options as low as possible. People don't have any options.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  If you're living in the Congo and you're, you're near where these cobalt mines are, what are your other options?

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  I remember, um, I'm gonna shout out Burnham Boy. Uh, Burnham Boy is a good dude. He, um, he had told me some, gave me some insight about, uh, Nigeria and, and, and, and like, he was saying to me like how Wu-Tang, when we was young, you know, we had to sling street pharmaceuticals, right? But out there, oil is like a street pharmaceutical. Like dudes was, was, was slinging, uh, petrol and slinging oil and shit.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  In Nigeria?

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  It's like, that's crazy, right?

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  But the gag I'm saying is that still, you know, of course, the government controls all that, but, but sometimes the people gotta just, uh, snap, you know, just, yo, I don't know, stand on your land, yo. And, and, and, and realize the value of where you stand. You know, every man, um, ha- has a value, um, right? We, we all walk with a living value. Every life is precious. Every life that's born changes the world. Soon as somebody is born today.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  This ain't the same world it was yesterday.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Soon as somebody returns to the essence, this ain't the same world. But, so we gotta kind of, but the people, I'm going back to the people now, to the military or to the government. The people gotta realize that, yo, hold on, bro. It's you, you're the value. Because without them, right, until they do get. Uh, uh, ten million robots to do that shit, which I don't, I'm not opposed to that.

• 1:04:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Send ten million robots to dig it up, bro. And, and, and, and still though, if it's on my land, break me off. You know what I mean? But people got a snap into that.

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, these are, these places are all guarded by the military, so.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  It's all people with guns.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  You can't leave.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  You're doing their bidding, you'll get shot.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  They kill people, they bury you, no one notices, no one cares. The value of human life is extremely low. Yeah, it's, it's, it's satanic. It's dark.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Well, let's jump back on my film, because in my film, the value of life.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Uh, is once again, um, we're talking about the world, but yet I gotta relate it back because in our film, the value of life seems low as well.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Right? Low for the person living, uh, more for the, valuable for the person that kills them.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, without giving too much of the film away, um, what happens in the film actually happens in real life. I mean, that, that is, it's based, I mean, you say it's based on real life, but it, there's been real live cases of people. They've harvested people's organs for profit.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  And that's a thing, I mean, that's a big problem with people in China. You know, people go to China for, for organs, like there's a tourism to get organs replaced. Like say if you need a new kidney or you need a new liver, whatever.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  We got it.

• 1:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have it, and what they'll do is they'll take their fucking prisoners and they, oh, look, A, A, B blood type, perfect. Whack. And then now you got some dude's heart.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Business.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  There's a.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  There's another element that, um, um, this is RZA right here, I'm live on Joe Rogan Podcast. I got a new film coming out May first, it's called One Spoon of Chocolate, uh, written and directed by the RZA, starring Shami Moore, Paris Jackson, Blair Underwood, Rockman Dunbar, the name of few. It's produced by Quentin Tarantino and my wife, Talani Diggs. Hey, baby. I, I did, I did an, uh, unofficial radio drop, cause.

• 1:06:01Joe Rogan?

  That sounded like we're on the radio.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did, that's like, ladies and gentlemen, um, this is the RZA.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Coming in at five after the hour.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  And um, but I love how art can touch upon uh things even if it's uh unintentional, right? Um, what I mean by unintentional is that, you know, as an artist, I just let the shit flow. Like I did, like when you showed all that uh Congo cobalt, I never seen it.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  But yet it's in your lyrics.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's in my lyrics.

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  And even that you're telling me this chain of stuff here, I don't know about that. I do know some things that happened with some articles, but I wasn't, I'm not uh in debt, in depth, what do you call it, in D E P H T H.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, depth.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  I don't have in-depth knowledge of it. But I, but I strive as an artist, Joe, is to actually to at least show the surface so that, you know, I don't know how deep the pool is, but I will show, show the surface through my art. Um, and I think in this film, which is a, it's an action film though, right? So Joe only seen the first half of it, so he doesn't know about the revengomatic ass kicking. And I'm not gonna spoil it for you either.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  But I believe it, there's already plenty of ass kicking already.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Right, right, exactly, seen some, okay. But it gets fucking, uh, you're gonna have a good time.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  You're gonna have a good time. But still, once again, the art of it, um, it has a, it, I'm realizing as I'm watching with different audiences, like when I watched it in uh New York, I had motherfuckers yelling at the screen, fuck that. They was on some shit. When I watched it in LA, the audience was like, it was like a sense of nervousness was in the room. When I watched it in Chicago, it was standing ovation, you know what I mean? I watched it in San Francisco and the Q and A was very intellectual. So I'm, I'm realizing that, okay, this is touching. And when I watched it, this other place, the girl, uh, with Dave, actually, I watched it with Dave Chappelle.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  He said that uh, you got bars in this motherfucker. I said, what you mean by bars? He said, well, the God says, uh, the girl says, um, first the girl, this, this comes, you haven't seen this scene yet, but Paris Jackson is telling him that everybody in this town goes to church on Sunday. Except for Jimmy and his gang of degenerates. They party all night Saturday and they sleep all day Sunday. She said, and I guess they're not afraid to go to hell. And then the hero says. But where I come from, they say heaven is what you make it and hell is what you gotta go through to get it.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  And she was like, that sounds right. And Dave was like, that's a fucking bar.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  Hey yo, hold on. So last time I was here, it was Donnell Rollins was here, right? So check it out, bro. I was showing the film to Dave, right? And we gonna do a Q and A. I'm in, I went to Yellow Spring, Ohio, bro.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Was Donnell there?

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  He was there, yo. And then he got up and he asked a question. And he started, uh, he, he, he interrupted. He talked about the day we was here and he, and, and you inspired him to do a podcast. I remember you said, yo, start a podcast. Well, you might even help them, right? And then he said, uh, then I said, yo, yeah, if you need something, hit me. So he hit me up, said, yo, let me get a, a, an opening theme track. And so I got like a, a bunch of beats that's on my little thumb drive. I sent him like five of them, right? And he chose one.

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he told me about this.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. So then he choose one and that becomes his theme. And it's, it's, it was a nice fucking, but that same five tracks, uh, my manager is sending it to other people too and shit. So I, and I did give it to Donnell. I gave it to him gratis. But he comes up in the middle of my Q and A with Dave about my film and he starts talking about the beat and he says, "RZA is an Indian giver."

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  He said, he said, I was, I said, I was playing, he said, I had it on my podcast for almost two years. And then one day it said flag, license, uh, whatever they do and shit, uh, when you can't use it. Use the motherfucking shit. And I was like, um, I said, oh yeah, bro, yeah. The, the, the people from the minions, they had got, um, Those five tracks as well and they chose it and they put it and they paid us a lot of money. Not going back to the money of it all, but.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  So I told her, I said, "Just choose another beat." He said, "Nah, son, that was the one."

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  That was the one. I said, "Bro, they chose it." My manager made the deal.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  It's off the table now.

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. So he had to change his opening?

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I owe.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. That gives him more to complain about.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, no.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  It's almost worth giving him the beat just so he doesn't have to complain.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, "I owe you Donnell and I'm gonna hook you up with something." Actually, gonna cook you up something nice, alright?

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  I can't wait for this phone call.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  "Son, you know what he did to me, son? He took it back." He said that shit in front of the audience and I couldn't deny it and shit. I was like, "Yeah." They, you know?

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  But anyway, but they loved the film too. Like, the audience and, I'm only saying that because I love when my peers react to something.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Is this your first feature-length film?

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  It's my fourth.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Fourth?

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  I know you've done other stuff, but have you written and done other things like this? The way you're doing it this way?

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  This is my second one writing. So I wrote my first film, Man with the Iron Fist.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Right, which was a Quentin Tarantino present as well. And then it was a, you know, Kung Fu movie. So then I didn't want to get stuck in like, "Oh, that's all he does." So my second film I didn't write was written by Nicole and she, it was called Love Beats Rhymes. And that was like a movie about poetry and a female lead and it was actually John David Washington. It was his first feature film as well. And then my third film was called Cutthroat City, which I didn't write. Just once again, I hired Gun as a director. And in that film, I had Shamique Moore as the lead actor and.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  I kinda like fell in love with his talent. So that's why he was in Cutthroat City. He's in the Wu-Tang series, he plays Ray Kwan. And now he's the star of my new film. So he's kinda, we kinda got this, uh, I hate to say it, but we kinda got this, uh, this Denzel Spike Lee energy, this Coogler Michael B. energy. I really like this guy. But on this particular film, yes, I decided to write it and direct it. And I'm back to the basic, right? Quentin Tarantino presented my first film, and now here's my fourth film, and he's back in the building.

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  And one of my favorite songs from that first soundtrack is Baddest Man Alive.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 1:13:14Joe Rogan?

  That you did with Black Keys. Dude, that song, that song killed it.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Shout out to, um, shout out to Dan and Patrick, yo.

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love those two guys. They're cool as fuck, and that song kills it. That song kills it, that's such a good song. A bunch of dudes used that song as walkout, walkout for the UFC.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  I seen it on a fucking car commercial one day.

• 1:13:37Joe Rogan?

  Ah, okay. Did you guys listen to the lyrics?

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Right, I guess all you need is that hook, right?

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  On this, on this, uh, how we doing on time, we good?

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're plenty good.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  On this, on this particular film, uh, I got a guy named, you know, Jason Isbell?

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Jason Isbell did a song, uh, in the film, uh, it's called, uh, Comic Book Life. And, um, it was, you know, it's my first collaboration with him as well, um, and it was a pleasure.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Lyrics go, "Jesus Christ walked, it's, Jesus, uh, Jesus Christ may have walked on water, and Superman flies through the sky. The immigrant crossed the border, he's looking for a better life. Trying to find it, he's reminded that dreams are born to die. His reality kills his fantasy. It's not a comic book life, you know what I mean? And so it goes on, um, um, and so I try to, when I do films, I try to make like a unique musical collaboration. Of course, that was me and the Black Keys back then, and on this, on this, uh, on this film,

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  we got like music from Jason Isbell, we got clearances from the Isley Brothers, who, check this out, bro.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  I'm on a plane, three days ago, heading to Atlanta to show the film. Guess who's sitting in first class in the seat right there? Ron Isley. And I never met him before, I'm like the big fan, I love his music, I got two of his songs in my movie. And I'm like, and I'm going to show and I look over, I'm like, my wife's like, yeah, that's Ron. And I was like, I got a chance to get up and thank him, uh, for, you know, for his work and for even allowing, uh, his music to be in my film because, um, that was, that's special.

• 1:15:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  Are you a Ron Isley fan?

• 1:15:36Joe Rogan?

  Not really.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  You're not a Isley Brothers, bro? Listen, bro, you gotta, let me, I gotta put you on some Isley Brothers, bro. Because if, you know, I'm quite sure your love life is good, alright?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  I'm quite sure you got a good love life, bro. But if you ever get into any love life trouble, okay? Put on the Isley Brothers, it will smooth it out.

• 1:15:57Joe Rogan?

  Tell me what to get?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say sensual.

• 1:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Sensual?

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Put that one on. And, um, and, uh, yeah, I'm gonna just give you that one because when that, the way that comes on, bro, your shoulders gonna start moving and shit.

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  You, you coming with two glasses of wine? I'm telling you, bro, is, the, the, you gonna be good.

• 1:16:23Joe Rogan?

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• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Who's your favorite musician?

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. I don't think I have a favorite musician. I don't even have a favorite genre, you know? I like all kinds. I mean, if you look at my Spotify Green Room playlist, it's all over the place. It goes from Nina Simone to Bill Withers to Wu-Tang to Lynyrd Skynyrd to Led Zeppelin. It's all over the place, to Gary Clark Jr. It's everywhere. I move around. You're naming some dope shit. I like to move around. I like all kinds of shit. I'll listen to Dwight Yoakam and I'll follow it up with, you know...

• 1:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Cool G Rap. I like, uh, you know, one of my favorite albums ever is when, um, the Brand New Heavies. Did you ever listen to the Brand New Heavies when they got Heavy Rhyme Experience? Did you listen to that?

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  I don't know if I know that particular, uh...

• 1:19:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Brand New Heavies got together with like Cool G Rap. They got together with a bunch of different rappers, um, who else is in there? God, it's like, there's, there's a ton of different people that they did these tracks with. So they have like, the Brand New Heavies playing the music. And like, like, Heavy Rhyme Experience is the name of the track. Gangsta's in it, Main Source, yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  What year is this, bro?

• 1:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-two, I think.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-two, yeah.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  Right, right, cuz I remember that first album.

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, you gotta listen to some of this shit.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, because by now, ninety-two was, you know what happened to me in nineteen ninety-two? I'm on my own dick now. I don't listen to nobody, I'm just woo-tanged out.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  No, I'm trying to make it, so I'm like, eh.

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, I get it.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  So I missed it.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  I actually missed a lot of things during my career, bro. I realized, like, I'm going backwards. Like, there was a point in my life where I couldn't stand R&B.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  It made me nauseous. I'm serious, like, like, like, like, if I'm driving and R&B's on, I felt, no, I was so fucking hip-hop, bro.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Cuz you're so concentrated.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was weird, like I said.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense, though.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it makes sense, but...

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you were on the grind, you were really trying to make it happen.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  Now, you give me, now I play R&B, me and my wife, we be dancing around the motherfucking house.

• 1:21:01Joe Rogan?

  It's, I, I mean, there was a point in time where I was only into nineties hip-hop. Like, nineties hip-hop was my shit.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Cuz like, that was when I was young and I was on the road a lot. And that was like my getting fired up music was like nineties hip-hop. But then I started expanding and then I got into like a lot of like old classic rock and roll and... I just think it's all dependent upon your mood, but there's so much different shit that you could listen to.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:21:30Joe Rogan?

  But this, you gotta listen to some of this Heavy Rhymes Experience.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna put that on my playlist right there.

• 1:21:36Joe Rogan?

  Play him that, uh, Coogee Rap "Death Threat." This is like one of my all, so in the Green Room, we'll have to cut this out of the podcast, unfortunately, because we don't want to get dinged. But at a, in the Green Room playlist, this is like one of my first, beginning of the night when the comedy show starts, and we're in the Green Room getting fired up, pouring a couple of drinks, everybody's getting fired up, someone's rolling a blunt. This is one of my favorite songs to start the Green Room playlist.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  Hit me with it.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  This is Coogee Rap and the brand new heavies.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  It's great, and, uh, "The Gang Star," "Hectic," that's another one of my favorites.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  You know what's so cool about it for me, so I never heard it, but it immediately like put me right back in Staples and Projects, like right back in that time of me, like my, because Coogee Rap is...

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  Love that dude.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  So it put me right there, thank you, y'all.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  "Cock Blockin', one of my all-time favorite songs.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Right, right. "Talk Like Sex," um, I mean, he's so many, "Ill Street Blues."

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  "Ill Street Blues" is amazing, and Coogee Rap, I just think in mainstream just doesn't get the respect he deserves from like the influence that he had in the 90s.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that, I think the, the artist we give it to him, but yeah, you're right, the, the public.

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  Mainstream, people, there's so many people, I bring up Coogee Rap and they're like, "Who?" And I'm like, "Oh, sit down, sit down, let me play some shit for you."

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  And I didn't never, he told me this years later, that the G stood for genius.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  And he's a, he's a fucking genius, even though we, we got the jizz of the genius in our crew. Coogee Rap is a, is a genius, man. I was blessed to, um, I was blessed to do a couple of tracks with him in my, in my catalog. We actually, we actually, um, got a couple that we did together, and a couple that I just produced with, uh, like him and Inspector Deck, and, um, and things of that nature, so that's one of the greatest blessings of, uh, of the art is that, I'm sure you do the same as, you know, whether you're doing comedy, whether you're doing your physicality, that you have people that you admired, and then all of a sudden, you're, they're your peers.

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  You're collaborating, you're doing shit with them, yeah, no, it's very exciting, just being able to hang out with them, you know? We did, uh... Uh, we went to dinner with Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avery. And then they came to the comedy show and then we're all hanging out in the green room.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's like, this is the fucking coolest night of all time. We're just chilling and hanging out with Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avery.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  At the mothership green room.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  I ain't gonna beat that.

• 1:23:59Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to beat, man. Everybody, the next day, we're like, didn't last night really happen? Like, that was so fun.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Shit, when, when, um, uh, when I, this, I, I, speaking of Quentin, when I, um, had a cut that was, um, you know, worthy to show him.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  Uh, buddy Jared and my buddy Abazah, they, uh, so Jared kind of owns the, the old Desi Arnaz studio.

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Um, he's the guy that started Red Cameras. So, and he has this amazing screening room. And so he said, yo, um, you can screen it here for Quentin. I said, all right, cool. So we finally got the date to do it. And I go there and his plus one is, is venture.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Exactly. So I'm just like, oh.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, yeah. So now like, okay, whoa, okay. Uh, and it, and it was, and I played the film to them and it's, once it was another great night, uh, some great, uh, what were we sipping on? We were sipping on, uh, some great scotch. Yeah, we had some great scotch. I don't smoke weed like that no more. So, you know, that's, uh, do you still smoke weed?

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Were you stopped?

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  I just, I, I don't function good in public with weed, bro.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Who does?

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Who does?

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:25:17Joe Rogan?

  People think they do.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Exactly. But I, I don't want to see that photo. I don't want to.

• 1:25:23Joe Rogan?

  That photo.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't want to be that guy no more. It's like, if I'm home, also, to be honest with you, if I smoke weed, bro, I started doing Kung Fu, bro.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm either gonna sit quiet and like be a total.

• 1:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Always start.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And motherfuckers like, yo, this is, yeah, exactly. I started doing shit like that. I mean, with a fucking suit on or some shit.

• 1:25:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  That sounds fun.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  You know, so I, yeah, I kinda, 2015 was when I, when I stopped.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Really? Completely?

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Maybe, I mean, not, yes, for completely, but then I said I would only smoke with, uh, with two or three people in the world. One of them is Quentin Tantin, you know, um, because we watch our Kung Fu movies, we're not going nowhere. I smoke, if I have some weed with him, I know that I'm in a, you know, no photos is happening.

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  The, the, the zonky wizard, uh, my older brother I smoke with, I won't say his name, cause I don't know, people know he smoke. I think everybody knows he smoke, but I won't say his fucking name and shit. Um, and I only see him once a year, twice a year.

• 1:26:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Um, and that's really it. And even, like, I ever smoked a blunt with Method Man in over 12 years, bro.

• 1:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  And that's my, that's my, that was my, he's the king of smoking anyway, but that was like my, but I just, like I said, I just don't like how, uh, yeah, it just doesn't fit my, my, my today's personality, so I'm a sipper now.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  I just sip on some, some, uh, not no syrup, I mean, me, me clear.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  I know what you mean, yeah, yeah, little scotch.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Little scotch, little tequila, I love tequila, mezcal.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:27:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's nothing wrong with all those things, I think they're all tools. And I think one of the things about tools is you can misuse them. And I think there's a lot of people that just live in the cloud. And they just get high all the time, and then they just feel like their life is out of control. And then pure abstinence becomes the only solution. But it's really, you just started abusing the tool. I think marijuana is an excellent tool for creativity. And the way I like it the most is writing. I think it's, that, it's the greatest thing ever for writing. There's something that happens with just, not a lot, just a little bit of weed. Just all of a sudden, ping, ideas start sparking off in your head, that I go, I don't think that these ideas would exist without this stuff. That's one of the things that Carl Sagan said.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy, what's that famous Carl Sagan quote on cannabis? But Carl Sagan, who's obviously like one of the most famous astronomers of all time, he had, uh, and wrote that great movie Contact, that great book Contact. He had this quote about cannabis that I always like to say to people that wanna say it's for dummies. It's like, no, man, it's, there's something to it. You could look like a dummy if you abuse it, just like you could look like an idiot if you get so drunk that you can't walk.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing, but a little bit, just a, just a little bit sometimes, just fires up. The illegality of cannabis outrageous and impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight sensitivity and fellowship. So desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world. That was one quote, but there was another quote that he had about ideas that are available through cannabis that aren't available without it. That his perception, and obviously, here's, here's a guy that, I mean, what better way to utilize weed than to smoke a little and stare at the fucking vastness of the cosmos and just try to open up your mind to that.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  That's exactly what I mean for me, right? So, so if I, so it's only two things gonna happen for me. I'm gonna smoke. And I'll just be like, even if I'll be in here finding fucking constellations and shit. You see what I mean?

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Kung Fu.

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  I'm doing Kung Fu.

• 1:29:17Joe Rogan?

  That's, those sound like two good things.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not knocking them, but it's definitely, uh, with my schedule, it doesn't.

• 1:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it doesn't fit in. That's the thing is like, what is life? Is life about schedule? Is life about enjoying moments? And I think there's, there's something to be said for enjoying moments and there's certain things that will help enhance moments. And I think, uh, that's where cannabis comes in, into play. I think the problem with it is the problem with anything that human beings abuse. Whether it's soda, chocolate, whatever, alcohol, food, people abuse things. They go too far with it. You don't use it correctly. And I think it's also part of the problem with it being illegal. One of the things about alcohol being legal is we understand what a dose is.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  If I give you a shot of tequila and we both clink glasses and we do a shot, we understand the dose that is one shot of tequila. It's not confusing, whereas we all know weed, you know, you get a hold of some of Snoop's weed or some, some people are just, they're, they're dealing with botanists that are on another planet, man.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Let me say one thing about Snoop's weed one day, well, when I was smoking, I did an interview with him. And uh, that's when he had that GSC, he had the G, he had some network that he had. And we was talking about my movie and then I was going, everything was fine. Like, then you know, he's rolling it, you know, he was talking, then he lit that motherfucker up and passed that shit, bro. I hit that shit, hit it back, hit it again.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  I'm getting the fuck out of here.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  And I was gone.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Joey Diaz weed too. Joey Diaz got that same kind of weed. I, I've given it to some people and I'm like, careful, that's Joey Diaz weed and they get scared, like, oh Jesus.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  You gotta go home and get a pillow, get a pillow ready, cause that shit is gonna fucking, and he could do it all day.

• 1:31:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, that's what's crazy.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  Him and Method Man, out of, for my, and I give Burna Boy in that category as well. Those are the three most people that I've seen, very weed tolerant. Like, like, like, like, they could be on the third one and then you hit it and you're like, what the fuck, yo? How the fuck were y'all going like that?

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Going all day long. When Snoop was in here, he just kept rolling blunts and I was like, how are you still awake? How, how you, how do you function? But they're so accustomed to it, that their tolerance is so high and that feeling of just being in the cloud all the time, they're fine with it. Did you find that other quote?

• 1:31:55Speaker 04

  There's multiple quotes, he had an essay, so.

• 1:31:57Joe Rogan?

  It was something about ideas being available.

• 1:32:02Joe Rogan?

  That aren't, that was the big quote.

• 1:32:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, it didn't say, uh, understand himself, it doesn't say that in here.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  That's okay. No worries, I should have found, I should have had it ready. But, the point is, it's like, it's a tool. And you could use any tool correctly, or you could use it and abuse it incorrectly.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  So what's your frequency of smoking? Like, do you smoke once a day, once a week?

• 1:32:25Joe Rogan?

  I just wish it was legal. If it was legal, then people could.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  It is legal many places, isn't it?

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not federally legal. It's just got changed to Schedule 3. So Schedule 3 is the same as Tylenol with codeine. So what does that mean? Does it mean that you have to get a prescription for it?

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  So it doesn't carry the same, uh, the crazy thing is it's completely legal in California and it's generating tax revenue. It's completely legal in Colorado, generating tax revenue. And then people always want to point to the negative aspects of it, but like, you could, you could have negative aspects with everything else that's legal too. Think about how many people die from obesity every year, obesity-related diseases. Let's put that into perplexity. Put that into our AI sponsor. What is, how many people die because of obesity-related diseases every year?

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  So you're saying?

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  So should we regulate food? Should we regulate the amount of food that people are able to consume? Should we stop people? Should we, should we make cake and ring dings and ho ho? Should we make that shit illegal? No. You have to have some personal responsibility and some self-control and an understanding of like what the ramifications are. What is, what are the dangers of overeating or eating the wrong kinds of food? That's the same with cannabis, the same with alcohol. If you think that alcohol should be illegal, well, you're gonna, people are gonna drink it and then you're just gonna empower organized crime, like they did during the prohibition. Okay. How about this? World Health Organization reports that at least 2.8 million people die each year as a result of being overweight

• 1:34:02Joe Rogan?

  or obese. That's fucking crazy.

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  That's crazy, bro.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Globally, it's three to five million people a year.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Wait, so where's the 2.8 at? That's here?

• 1:34:12Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:34:13Speaker 04

  No, here's, uh, US.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  US is here, so US, it's 280,000 to 325,000 per year.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  They knocked out opioids.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Knocked it out of the park. So that, so we're, we're all worried about opioids and no one's worried about pizza.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Hey, hell.

• 1:34:33Joe Rogan?

  But that doesn't mean that pizza should be illegal.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta get, especially New York pizza, bro. That's the best pizza.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Best pizza in Connecticut, New Haven. Look.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  There's, you just have to have an understanding of what to do and not to do. You know, don't eat pizza twenty-four hours a day, every day, you'll die, right?

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Don't eat a pound of salt. You eat a pound of salt, you'll be dead.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Wasn't there a documentary where the guy, um, I'm not talking-

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Super Size Me.

• 1:35:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's that.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  What was he eating every day?

• 1:35:02Joe Rogan?

  He was eating McDonald's. Yeah, all day, every day, for every meal.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  And that was like thirty days before like the Grim Reaper started knocking at the door?

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he wasn't doing well. But he, he, he had all sorts of liver problems. Didn't McDonald's just release some subscription where you get like, it's like fifty-two dollars a month and you can eat as much as you want? I think they just did that today. What's that look, Jerry? What's that face?

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  That doesn't make any sense.

• 1:35:26Joe Rogan?

  I know, it doesn't make any sense.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Fifty-two dollars.

• 1:35:28Joe Rogan?

  I think they just did that today. I saw it on my Google News alert this morning.

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  Do that make sense?

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  No. It doesn't make sense unless they're limiting the amount of meals that you can have in a day. But if you have a subscription, say if you have a McDonald's subscription and it's fifty-two dollars a month and they, and that's all you eat. You could live off of fifty-two dollars a month, easy.

• 1:35:52Speaker 02

  Well, not according to that documentary.

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  That's two months, you outta here.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, what if you only ate their salads and you only ate their beef patties without any bread? You'd probably be better off.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Be better off, okay.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  Probably be okay. But even their beef probably has like fillers in it and shit.

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  I'm still, I'm still living a vegan lifestyle.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Still?

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? What do you get mostly for your protein?

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  Mostly beans. Um, I probably do consume a little bit too much soy, I think, cause I do eat tofu.

• 1:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to our friend CK.

• 1:36:22Speaker 02

  Hey, in the building. Oh, yeah, he bought in.

• 1:36:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:25Speaker 02

  I couldn't wait to eat some of that.

• 1:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Wu Chow. That place rules.

• 1:36:28Speaker 02

  Yes. He, he, he bought us lunch, which we will eat after we finish this.

• 1:36:31Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal Chinese restaurant here in Austin. Phenomenal. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average copay for eligible members of just $23 per session. And with World Mental Health Day on the 10th, now's the perfect time to give it a try. In fact, don't even wait until the 10th because all that stress you feel, it's not waiting around. So instead of letting it build up, sign up for a therapy session and unload at any time, not just on World Mental Health Day. If you've been waiting to start therapy, BetterHelp works with more than 125 health plan networks

• 1:37:14Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:59Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  You know what he got that I realized?

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  He has those Sichuan peppers.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  That's in his crack.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  They kick. Yeah, they kick. They make my bald head sweat.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  I start dripping.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:04Joe Rogan?

  Dripping down to my eyebrows.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, what were we looking up again, Jamie?

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  McDonald's Unlimited.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Did you find it? Is it fake?

• 1:39:11Speaker 04

  Well, I'm just, uh, the only places that it pops up are a, there's one Instagram post.

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  It was in my Google News feed.

• 1:39:21Speaker 04

  People are reporting it, but it seems to be only based off of a photo, which is most likely, uh, AI.

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, fifty-four bucks a month.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  This photo is going around, but there's no links to, McDonald's isn't saying it. There's no like press release about it.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cause so it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Cause I was thinking like, how could they afford?

• 1:39:42Speaker 04

  Now, what else I would say, they do do test stuff and it is claiming it's a pilot program being tested somewhere, so.

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:39:50Speaker 04

  They're trying something out somewhere, but I, again, I don't see any reporting of it.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Unlimited meals is a weird, if you're gonna limit it, you can't say unlimited, because if you don't, if you, if it's unlimited, then you could just feed your whole family for fifty-four dollars a month.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Right. You go, you go like, take one, hey, go back in.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you could just say unlimited. I like to eat seven Big Macs. Give me seven Big Macs, seven orders of fries.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Seven sodas, and then you're feeding everybody for fifty-four dollars a month. That's crazy.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  Does McDonald's own Chipotle?

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Do they own Chipotle?

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Do you own Chipotle? I'm bringing up Chipotle because I got Chipotle. I did a campaign with them, and they gave me a card. Lifelong card. I could eat at Chipotle for free for the rest of my life.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  That's part of the campaign?

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  No, this was like the gift.

• 1:40:40Joe Rogan?

  For you, yeah. I didn't even know that that was a thing.

• 1:40:43Speaker 02

  And, and, and I could, and I could have ten people with twenty-four hour notice, and I think it's, uh, I could do a catered event at least once a month.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  For the rest of my life.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  That's a pretty good deal.

• 1:40:55Speaker 04

  That is a real thing.

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:40:57Speaker 04

  That's a like, a celebrity gold card thing they offer.

• 1:41:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  Their hands on it through different ways. Like Travis Barker has one here.

• 1:41:07Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:41:08Speaker 02

  I got one.

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, Travis is a, he's a vegan too.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a vegan too.

• 1:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Eating the, just the bean burritos and stuff?

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Or the sofritos. They got some shit called sofrito. What is that?

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully, there's no chicken in there.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  No, I don't think there's no chicken. I think it's like a, it's like a vegan, vegan meat.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  So, most of your animal, or most of your protein is from what? Is it tofu, beans?

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Chickpeas. I love chickpeas. Lentils, I'm crazy for lentils. My wife will throw a pot of lentils on.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Pea protein is really good.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  Pea protein.

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Hemp protein is really good.

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  Hemp is good.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Hemp protein is, I think it's one of the few plant-based proteins that contains all the amino acids. It's very bioavailable, too.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  Pumpkin seeds.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Pumpkin seeds?

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Pumpkin seeds.

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look up pumpkin seeds, bro. Pumpkin seeds probably have the most best protein.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  Really? Pumpkin seeds. They taste good, too.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  I keep them in my car, bro.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  When they're roasted?

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little salt on them?

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Mmm. Trust me, every time I get in the whip, I got pumpkin seeds.

• 1:42:11Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What does it say about the? "May reduce your risk of cancer and improve bowel and prostate health."

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Pumpkin seeds, bro. That's it.

• 1:42:21Joe Rogan?

  "Rich in protein, fiber, unsaturated fats, and must-have minerals. Pepitas are a great healthy snacking option." Alright. Yeah, pumpkin seeds are delicious.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you get those, you get some chickpeas.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it weird that people, when they make like their fucking jack-o'-lanterns, they scoop that shit out and throw it away?

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, give them to me.

• 1:42:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like the most, the healthiest part of the pumpkin. That's weird. It's weird what we throw away. Like, we're just so used to like waste.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Joe Rogan?

  So used to like having an abundance of food that we're not concentrating on this part of the plant that has the most protein.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:42:57Joe Rogan?

  In the plant, probably the most nutritious part of the pumpkin.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  Well, you know, my buddy was here yesterday. He, uh, you don't throw away too much of that, uh, too much of that meat for that Texas barbecue you guys got, this motherfucking boy.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  No, they don't fuck around.

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  Yo, there was a 15-minute wait line around the corner of 200 people.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Where were you at? Which place?

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  It was, I don't know the name of it.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Terry Black's?

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  I don't know, because I just drove, my man Abazol went there. He said, you know, he couldn't come out to Texas and not get some Texas barbecue. You know what I mean? I'm a vegan, what am I gonna do? You know what I mean?

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  They have some good beans and macaroni and just a bunch of different stuff that you can get there. Potato salad.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, potato salad, I gotta watch out for.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right. It's got mayonnaise and milk and eggs. Yeah, you've been a vegan for a lot, since the 90s, right?

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, no, I started vegetarian in the 90s and by the time I got to 2000, I started.

• 1:43:55Joe Rogan?

  You don't fuck with eggs at all?

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  No, I got rid of the eggs.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't, the eggs, what got me off the fucking eggs, bro? I think my personality got me off the eggs.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Personality? Why's that?

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  I don't know, so, you know, it's like, like, like, I'm, I'm like, what's the word? I could be scornful, is that the word? Like, when you like, like, like, I don't know, like, I, like, I'm, like, I, I, I, like a Felix Unger type of shit. You know, have you ever watched Felix Unger?

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Odd Couple.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, he don't want piss in his orange juice or some shit, so, eggs, like, one day, it's just, it's just, it's just the slime of the egg. It's just.

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just cook it.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it then got that little white shit in it, bro.

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  I was just saying.

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  It's so good for you. And if you have your own chickens, like I have my own chickens, eggs are karma-free protein. They're like pets that give you free protein.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  Because they're, they're laying an egg that will never be a chicken, because it's not fertilized. Exactly, so it's just free protein.

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  And they lay them every day, basically, or close to it, and you feed them, and they run around the backyard, and they pick bugs and grass.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Right, what do you feed them?

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Chicken food, you know, you buy chicken feed, and we also feed them some table scraps and vegetables and, and different things, but they're carnivores, man, which is really wild. Like, you see them eat a mouse, it's crazy.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  A what?

• 1:45:20Joe Rogan?

  They tear mice, you never seen a chicken eat a mouse?

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  I've never seen the chicken eat a mouse, bro.

• 1:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Chickens are straight up dinosaurs. There's some great videos of chickens around a cat, and a cat's playing with a mouse, and the chicken just runs up on the cat and steals the mouse from him and tears it apart.

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  I didn't see that, yo.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  I fed a chicken that I, well, one chicken stole the mouse, but this is what happened. So, uh, in my house in California, we used to have a wrought iron fence and we replaced it with a glass fence. Unfortunately, hawks couldn't tell that it was a glass fence and we lost a few hawks. And they slammed into it headfirst and got KO'd and some of them, we lost like two hawks died. It was really sad. But one of them survived and my family, my wife and my daughters took the hawk and put it in like a large cardboard box. It couldn't fly and they had to feed it over the weekend because the rescue shelter couldn't take it over the weekend. We had to bring it in on Monday. And so they go, well, what do hawks, how do you feed it?

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  We went to the store and the, the pet store and the pet food store had these things called pinkies. And what they are is like little baby mice. And so you put these little baby mice in with the hawk and the hawk ate most of them, but one of them lived. One of them, the hawk didn't eat it.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  The hawk had enough, had enough pinkies.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  It ate enough. So my daughters were like, well, we need to keep that one alive. I'm like, it's not gonna live. It doesn't have the milk, it doesn't have its mother, it hasn't been weaned, it's going to die. And I said, let me just feed it to the chickens. I didn't even know if they're gonna eat it. I didn't know what was gonna happen. I put that little mouse down in the cage and that chicken just ran up and snatched it and they all stole it away. So watch this cat. This cat's fucking with this mouse. The cats, you think cats are ruthless and they are.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  He's playing with this motherfucker.

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  But he's playing with it. He wants to watch it hop away and then the chicken gets annoyed after a while and the chicken's like, give me that shit bitch. And when the chicken runs up on the mouse, okay, watch this, instantaneously, as soon as the chicken realizes this.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Fuck outta here.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Give me that shit bitch. And just starts tearing it apart. Chickens aren't into playing with things at all. They just rip at the shreds.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  This is dinner.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just shaking it and mangling it. They were all chasing each other around the chicken coop where this one chicken had the mouse in its mouth. And they were all trying to steal it from her mouth. They were all, oh, they wanted it more than anything.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  They don't act like that with chicken food at all.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  Right, right. They want some, they wanted some meat, bro.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or dried worms or that's one of them, like worm meal. You buy these like boxes of dried and you shake it and they come running and you'll like leave that out for them. They love that.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  So, okay, so now your chickens, you got your own, how many?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  I have fifteen, fifteen chickens, yeah.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  So you're getting, what, two, how many?

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of eggs, like probably at least ten eggs every day.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  And so, because they don't always lay them every day. But it's free protein and it's healthy for you, you know exactly where it came from, there's no hormones, no pesticides, no herbicides, no nothing.

• 1:48:14Speaker 02

  Let me, let me interrupt our podcast for a moment.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  This is the RZA, I'm sitting here with Joe Rogan. I have a new film coming out, May 1st. It's called One Spoon of Chocolate, starring Sean McMoRan and Paris Jackson, produced by Quentin Tarantino, in theaters everywhere, May 1st.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  And that's only a couple of days from now, today is the 27th, so it's this Friday, May 1st. There it is, One Spoon of Chocolate.

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, because one spoon of chocolate can do what?

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  Change a whole glass of milk.

• 1:48:42Speaker 02

  Change the whole glass of milk.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, but anyway, eggs, it's good for you. They're really good for you, healthy and karma-free, you don't have to worry about anything suffering.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Right, and the only thing, the only thing that I don't complain about as a vegan, and I don't cook with it or use it, but if some butter slipped on my shit, I'm not gonna flip out.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you shouldn't, because it's just milk that comes out of a cow, it doesn't, you know, especially if you get it from an organic farm, it's no big deal.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  Right, so that's the only, so that's the only thing that, and I, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, I, I use all that plant-based butter and they got this thing called, well now Country Crock got, plant-based avocado oil butter.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  How the fuck do they make that? That's the problem with all that stuff, that's like fake meat and fake this, is that it's really processed.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think if you want to eat vegetables and vegetarian diet, like the way to do it is the way the Indians do it. It was like Indian food from India, you know, there's a lot of amazing Indian vegetarian food.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  I stay in the Indian restaurant.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so good, so spicy and so delicious, and they've been cooking just vegetarian dishes for probably thousands of years.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Cleans you right out, too.

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's true. It opens up the gates.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Bama lama.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Let's go, baby. Don't have a flight. Yeah.

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, if you do, get a seat in the back.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yo.

• 1:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a, but it's, there was a place that I used to live near, near my old house in California, that was in an Indian neighborhood, and there was this Indian restaurant, it was like a, you know, like a cafeteria style, where you just go and pu- I didn't even know what the fuck the names of these things were. They had photos of whatever it was, but it was all in Indian, and I would just point at it, and it was all, everyone who ate there was Indian.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  It was very few regular, I mean, no white people, no African Americans, it was all Indians.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Wait, I feel like I might have fucking been there, bro.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  In the valley, it's in the valley, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not a restaurant.

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like a store, and in the back of the store, you've been to that place.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  And you could buy some fucking spices of your own.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes. God, I wish I remembered the name of the place, because the spices were awesome, too. It had, it was a great place, and in the back, they had this like cafeteria style, and it was, and it was all Indian people.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Yup, yup.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal, phenomenal restaurant.

• 1:51:05Speaker 02

  I'm the kind of guy that'd do that, too. Like, I'll go to the Asian market and shit, and I'll go, fuck, I go, I know that I'm getting a bunch of good shit.

• 1:51:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's it, Indian sweets and spices. Damn, Jamie's a wizard.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:51:17Joe Rogan?

  Where is that joint? That's it, Canoga Park, that's exactly it, that's the spot.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  That's not far from our old office.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's real close to where my old studio was, too.

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  And, and my, I was on, my, I still got the same office, though, right over there. Yo, bro, your old studio, right? You know what happened to it, right?

• 1:51:36Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  Bro, that whole shit, they tore that shit down.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  They did?

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  It's now the L.A. Rams training facility.

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Do you remember that AMC?

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  Tore it down, bro, they building some other shit there now.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:51:54Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  Because back, that's for the fans, you know, I could, I could see Joe's office from my window, or his studio from my window, back in those, back in those days and shit.

• 1:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:52:04Speaker 02

  But now, all that is the L.A. Rams training facility, so I watch the Rams train and shit from my window.

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's crazy.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, right?

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  That neighborhood's very interesting, there's a lot of cool stuff. There's a phenomenal Mexican spot down there. What is it called, the Big Burrito? That's what it's called, right? I think that's it. There's this phenomenal Mexican joint and you go in there, it's all like Mexican soap operas playing. Everybody speaks Spanish. No, no one there is speaking English and the food is sensational.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Big Burrito.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:52:38Speaker 04

  El Big Burrito.

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  El Big Burrito. That place fucking rules. I, when I lived there, I didn't tell people about it. Cause I didn't wanna blow up the spot. I wanted to be able to go in there.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  I would never bring it up on the podcast and they've reached out to me thanking me because we, we brought it up a few times. But that place fucking rules. You wanna get like a legit burrito, legit quesadilla, legit tacos, like lengua tacos, like I know you don't eat meat, but if you did, and even their burrito, their bean burritos are fucking phenomenal. It's just like real legit spicy Mexican food.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Well, to me, it's all about the sauce. If, if you got good salsa.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that place is so good. That, that's, I mean, there's those places that you find in LA, they're real hard to find in Texas. Texas, you get a lot of Tex-Mex, you know, whereas in LA, you get straight Mexican, like real Mexican.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  Let's talk about that for a moment, cause I, I actually thought about that, cause New York, you, you, you, I mean, now it's okay, but New York, we, for years, bro, we didn't have good Mexican food, bro.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  They do now?

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause now it's been more, some more brothers come, came and, and there's, there's some, there's some pocket communities.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  But trust me, in New York, bro, for ye, I didn't, I thought I was eating Mexican food until I went to California.

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  And I was like, okay.

• 1:53:59Joe Rogan?

  San Diego has some of the absolute best Mexican food in the world.

• 1:54:04Speaker 02

  But, but I, I find Texas and, uh, New Mexico, like I find this part of the country as well having, having, uh, a lot of good flavors, but I'm interested, how do you, like, if you were to say from your travels, The best Mexican food, is it California, is it the Midwest? What would you say?

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's really good Mexican food in Texas, but you gotta seek it out. Whereas, there's a lot of Tex-Mex here, which is also really good. But you could tell it's not straight Mexican. You know what I mean? It's like a fusion.

• 1:54:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  And in California, you don't have any of that. And California is just Mexican. And there's so many great Mexican restaurants in California. San Diego was filled with them, but LA's filled with them too. But it's spots like that, like the Big Burrito.

• 1:54:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Where you go to a place like that, you walk in, you're like, oh my god, I'm home. Because it's like the smells, and then you see the Spanish soap operas playing.

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  Right, right, yeah, this is real.

• 1:55:01Joe Rogan?

  This is legit.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was driving down the street, uh, last night and shit, and, um, I just found this really funny, right? So I'm driving down the street, I mean, I'm not driving, personally, I don't drive, but the car, my car-

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  You don't drive at all?

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  I don't drive. I've been driving since 2012, I've been driving a car.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  How come?

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  I just, I just, I, uh, you know what happened, bro?

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  I was in China.

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  You don't wanna drive in China?

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  Well, I gotta be honest, like, we was doing the film there, and every time, every morning that I would go to work, it almost, like, every day, it almost happened. Like, it almost, like, that's-

• 1:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Almost car accident.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, every day, bro.

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  So, and even, even, even, even like, when my brother Russell Crowe, like, we'll get to set in the morning.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  I love that dude.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  And he'll say the same thing, like, yo Bobby, like,

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  I'm here, bro.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  We made it.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  Right? But, so, so then when I came home, I just stopped driving, bro.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  You just didn't wanna be a part of it anymore?

• 1:56:06Speaker 02

  Nope, I haven't drove since, since then.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever fucked with any of those Waymos? You ever gotten any of those things?

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  You?

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  No. But I do have a Tesla that'll drive me.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Have you did it?

• 1:56:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've had it drive me all the way home.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. Yeah.

• 1:56:21Speaker 02

  How do you feel though?

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Un- uncomfortable. I don't like it. I like driving. I do, I do, I enjoy driving, but with my Tesla, I'll put an address, like say if I wanna go to a restaurant or something like that and go doo doo, and it'll drive me, it'll stop at stop signs and stoplights, it'll change lanes if there's anything in the way, it, it hits the blinkers to change lanes, it turns, it does everything.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it literally can drive you from point A to, do you ever fuck with a Jimmy? You ever use it?

• 1:56:49Speaker 04

  I just found out through the update that like, and then I'm not, I haven't been using full self-driving. I've been using whatever was right before that, which to me, I thought was the exact same. It drives itself too.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  What's the difference?

• 1:57:02Speaker 04

  I don't know. Cause I, it said that you're, it like, it gave me an option to turn it on. I was like, I thought I was, what? Hold on. What, what am I doing then?

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's weird.

• 1:57:13Speaker 04

  Cause it still drives itself.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember because I turned, I got my, it's a part of a subscription, right? Isn't it?

• 1:57:18Speaker 04

  That's when I got, I was like, wait, I thought I had it. Hold on. Well, whatever, whatever's been doing.

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is, I definitely have it.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  What you mean, what you mean part of a subscription? You mean, it ain't automatic?

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  I think so. I think you pay more for it. I'm not sure. I don't wanna talk out of turn.

• 1:57:33Speaker 04

  I also didn't understand it either, but yeah, I think so.

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  I think you pay for it because I think it's more complex. It's using a bunch of different, I'm making things up. I don't know. But, but I do know it works.

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  I saw Waymo, I saw Waymo on the way here to you.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  And it was right beside us. I looked in there and I was like, yo, bro, why have a steering wheel with the old school fucking, uh?

• 1:57:58Joe Rogan?

  With a gear changer?

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. If nobody gonna drive this shit.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, in case it breaks and then if, if somehow the, maybe there's an override where you could just drive it.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but still, that's the grandma thing, bro.

• 1:58:11Joe Rogan?

  The shifter on the column?

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  It's like, this is, we in the future, uh, it, there shouldn't be no steering wheel like that.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  My Cadillac has that. My Cadillac shifts on the, on the column like that.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  That's for the what?

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  An Escalade?

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it?

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  Putting drive like that.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  I thought the shit is right here now. I got my shit right here, bro.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Pretty sure.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  That might be for your lights or shit.

• 1:58:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm pretty sure.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I have a bunch of cars.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  I don't drive. I don't even know.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Drive. We're gonna put a, um, a studio in at the racetrack, the Circuit of the Americas. I'm gonna take you around the racetrack. I'm gonna put you in a car, you're gonna drive around the racetrack.

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  Oh, where I don't hurt nobody.

• 1:58:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, this thing for the Escalade, I thought.

• 1:58:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, yeah, that's the ship.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Not the new one.

• 1:58:54Speaker 04

  Yes, it says twenty, twenty-three?

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  No, twenty twenty-six Escalade, uh, V.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Escalade. Gear shift. Yeah, but it doesn't, that's not how it works. I'm ninety percent sure, there it is, right there, on the column, see it?

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I see it.

• 1:59:13Joe Rogan?

  Right there, that's how it is, that's what mine looks like.

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:59:16Joe Rogan?

  See that little?

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  They put it back up there.

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they put it back up there.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  But it was down there.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  Because it clears all the room on your console.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  Right, for your cups and all that stuff.

• 1:59:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that's where mine is. I love that thing.

• 1:59:26Speaker 02

  Well, so anyway, I'm coming, well, I'm gonna escalate yesterday, right? I don't know where the gear shift was at. But I got the window down, getting some of this beautiful, uh, Austin air. And a, a, a, a truck drives up beside me, uh, playing this Spanish song. He's blasting this shit, dun, dun, dun, dun. This shit sound cool like a motherfucker, right? I'm like, yo, what is this shit? So I Shazam it.

• 1:59:53Speaker 02

  So I Shazam it, and then I get the song, right?

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  And then I start playing it in my car, and the truck keeps going on, but then we, you know, we still driving slow. Then I, I can see the car that, beside me, they Shazamed it. You know what I mean? And I was like, wait a minute, that's, that's, that doesn't happen, I mean, that's what we need again.

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:14Speaker 02

  Like, where, like, somebody's just playing some fucking music, you never heard the song before. You like it.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:00:22Speaker 02

  You got it, you know what I mean? And so, I got-

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  I love Shazam.

• 2:00:26Speaker 02

  I got two Spanish songs now in my, in my, uh, in my joint that, um, is part of my, my new playlist, yo.

• 2:00:34Joe Rogan?

  They just got from listening to people's cars.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, just driving by like, yo, hold on, that shit sound dope.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a new thing, right? Because we don't have radio as much anymore. There's not a lot of people listening to the radio. A lot of times, you're getting new songs, like, oftentimes, like, I'll be at dinner someplace, and they'll be playing music, and I'll go, ooh, what is this?

• 2:00:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  And I'll put my phone up in the air and try to catch it.

• 2:00:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  That's dope, that, that's one of the greatest things about technology to me, because- Is that ability to know.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  You know, like you can know now if you wanna know.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  You don't gotta wait to know. You're like, you know what, motherfucker? Like, everything we, every time you get a thought here that we not too sure about, we could hit, he could hit that button.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  And give us a reference, you know?

• 2:01:16Joe Rogan?

  I know, I would, sometimes we leave a podcast and I'm like, maybe we should have looked that one up, because it turns out that shit's not true.

• 2:01:23Speaker 02

  Well, I have, I have beaten Google a few times now.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  You've won? You beat Google?

• 2:01:28Speaker 02

  I beat them.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, Google's a little deceptive, I think. But if you use AI, like, we use Perplexity, it searches for the whole internet. It doesn't just, you know, use whatever, Google. The problem with Google, not, it's not, not that it's a problem, but it's, these are curated searches. So like, like, say, like, here's a perfect example. Say if you wanna find a Mexican restaurant, right? And you use Google. What Google's gonna do is, some people are paying so that their restaurant gets to the top of the search list. That's a little bit of a problem.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Because that might not be the best restaurant, that might just be a restaurant that paid Google. Whereas if you go to, like, Perplexity and say, in terms of, like, restaurant critics, what is the favorite authentic, authentic Mexican restaurant in Austin? And it'll tell you.

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  It'll say, these people believe that this is it, and there's no curation yet.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:27Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what, like, my wife is actually, we're talking about this today, like, one day, they're gonna fuck that up too. And people are gonna pay to get that to, but right now, they haven't done that. So right now, you could find spots, like, cool spots, that haven't, you know, with no curation.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  Sponsored.

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  And let's check, let's, let's, let's do a test real quick.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  Okay. So there's a hundred and ninety-six million, nine hundred and forty thousand square miles on the planet, right?

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  There's sixty-three thousand, three hundred and sixty.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  Uh, inches, right? And, um, in the mile, cause it's five thousand two hundred and eighty feet in the mile. So, I'm gonna start over. There's a hundred and ninety-six million, nine hundred and forty thousand square miles.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  In the country?

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  In the planet.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  On the planet? On the planet, okay.

• 2:03:15Speaker 02

  Okay. For one mile, there's five thousand two hundred and eighty feet.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  And of course, there's twelve inches in the feet, so you multiply that by twelve, you'll get sixty-three thousand, three hundred and sixty inches. I want perplexity to tell me how many square inches on the planet.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  Let's see what you get.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that number's gotta be bananas. That, I, I guarantee you, we're gonna look at a long fucking number. Lot of zeros. That's a good question.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  That is a good question.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun. Does it even have an answer? It's probably confused.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  It's like, hold on, what the fuck you talking about? You perplexing me?

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  We perplexed perplexity.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:04:14Joe Rogan?

  Eight times ten to the seventeen square inches on Earth's surface. Um, what does that look like in a raw number? Ask it what it looks like in a raw number.

• 2:04:25Speaker 04

  No, eight was seventeen.

• 2:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Seventeen zeros?

• 2:04:28Speaker 04

  Pretty much.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Ten to the seventeenth? That's what that is, seventeen zeros?

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  So basically, it took, it took the six, three, three, six, oh, and they squared it.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:04:40Speaker 02

  And that's how they got to there.

• 2:04:42Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:04:44Speaker 02

  But it didn't give us no fucking, uh, a direct answer, right?

• 2:04:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it did, but it, it did it with ten to the seventeen.

• 2:04:51Speaker 02

  Okay, so let's do this now.

• 2:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Type that out.

• 2:04:54Speaker 02

  Type that number out and divide it by four.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's see, type it out. I'm gonna see what this looks like. This must look bananas.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  And now divided by four?

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Before you do that, can you ask it, how would you say that?

• 2:05:15Speaker 04

  I was trying to figure it out.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's not a trillion, it's not a quadrillion, like, what is that?

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  It's a quintillion.

• 2:05:21Joe Rogan?

  Is it a quintillion?

• 2:05:22Speaker 04

  This is billion, right?

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:25Speaker 04

  This is trillion.

• 2:05:27Joe Rogan?

  So it's...

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  A quadrillion? Wait, no.

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  How, say...

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  Fifteen, fifteen, sorry.

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Just ask it, how would you say that, please? How would you say that?

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Eight hundred quadrillion square inches. Wow. Remember when you were a kid, you'd think that was a fake word?

• 2:05:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I want a quadrillion money.

• 2:05:56Speaker 02

  Would you believe that the Earth weighs, the atmosphere weighs fifteen quintillion tons? Let's see, let's see if I'm correct.

• 2:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Just the atmosphere?

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, just the atmosphere, because the planet Earth...

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Just the gases?

• 2:06:07Speaker 02

  The planet Earth weighs six sextillion.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Kanye said the wildest shit on my podcast once, he goes, "How much does the Earth cost?"

• 2:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Right? And at the time, I was like, "What?" And then I thought about it, I was like, "Oh shit, like, property is valuable." You can own property.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, everybody kind of, everything is owned. Like, how much is the Earth?

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  That's a big, that's a, uh... Well, you could get the number there too, because, well, if you count in the minerals...

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:39Speaker 02

  And you got a whole nother hustle.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  And then, there's the ocean.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  And the oil, and the ocean.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  The ocean.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  And the fish.

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right. And then all the animals.

• 2:06:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  And then, and then, it has to appreciate day by day.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Why don't I put that into perplexity? If you were gonna sell the Earth, how much would it be worth?

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Including everything on it? That's a mind fucking half. Economists usually estimate the world's real estate, all land, plus the buildings on it, a few hundred trillion US dollars, not counting oceans, polar ice, or unowned space. That sounds like a bargain.

• 2:07:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  A few hundred trillion, that's it?

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's say, let's ask, what is the worth of the Earth? All its property, all its minerals, animals, and objects?

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy question.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy question.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good one, though.

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everything on Earth, every watch, every diamond ring, every hat.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  One dollar.

• 2:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Every piece of art.

• 2:07:49Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, the question I typed in was property and lands.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. What is the value

• 2:07:54Speaker 04

  Animals to it?

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Of everything on Earth? Every

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  I like what you said it to.

• 2:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Every electronic value of everything on Earth, including

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  including animals, minerals, property, and objects.

• 2:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. I wonder how it's gonna figure this out. I bet it will.

• 2:08:23Speaker 04

  It's gonna look off of

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna freak out, it's gonna blow a gasket.

• 2:08:27Speaker 04

  It's not figuring it out.

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, he just give you some

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  There's no precise number. Oh. Somewhere in the quadrillions to sextillions of US dollars, depending on what you count and how you value it.

• 2:08:39Speaker 04

  It says plausible attempts to add it up.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Right. There's no single agreed upon price tag for everything on Earth, but this is the answer to Kanye's question.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  But you know what, though? Now, look, hold on, we just learned something there. It said quadrillion to what?

• 2:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Sextillions.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  Now, Axe, how much does the planet Earth weigh?

• 2:08:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why, I mean, I already did that, but we had, we had passed it before I could show you. Atmosphere weighs quintillion.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Twelve quintillion pounds Yeah. in total.

• 2:09:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I said fifteen, so I was off. Okay, I forgot that number. But Axe, how much does the planet Earth weigh?

• 2:09:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  How much does the entire Earth weigh?

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Let's guess.

• 2:09:30Speaker 02

  No, no, no, don't do the atmosphere. We're just trying to get the value. I wanna see, I wanna see if it gives you, I mean, the atmosphere should already be included, right?

• 2:09:37Speaker 04

  I think, that's why I think it won't include it.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  So basically.

• 2:09:46Joe Rogan?

  What is that word? What is that in a word? Ask that what that is? That thirteen?

• 2:09:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, tell them, put it, put that, put it in pounds, not kilograms.

• 2:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's not even seven, that's eight. What does that mean? Right, but what is that? Ask it to say that.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Can you say that?

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what does it mean? How do you say it? Septillion. Thirteen septillion pounds.

• 2:10:18Speaker 04

  That doesn't sound impressive.

• 2:10:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:10:19Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:10:22Speaker 02

  It doesn't.

• 2:10:23Speaker 04

  It sounds like a couple of lizards.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  But you know, I believe it's wrong, bro.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  Because when you take the square miles, this is a conference, right? And you multiply the, uh, there's a formula to get that weight.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:36Speaker 02

  It doesn't come out to that.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  What does it come out to?

• 2:10:38Speaker 02

  Six septillion. Six followed by twenty one zeros.

• 2:10:43Speaker 04

  This is more.

• 2:10:45Speaker 04

  This is three more zeros on top of that.

• 2:10:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it, it sounds good. But if you take the formula

• 2:10:53Speaker 02

  of, of, of, of a sphere, of the mass.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  Like this, this number is closer.

• 2:11:01Joe Rogan?

  But does it take into account the density of the inner earth? Because I think that's probably where a lot of the weight is coming from, right? The density of the inner earth is immense.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 2:11:12Joe Rogan?

  It's all compressed.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's compressed energy, yeah.

• 2:11:15Speaker 04

  Hollow.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  If it's hollow.

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  It could be hollow.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  If it's hollow.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Okay, hold on, let's take a, we gotta take a, a sponsor break. This is the RZA live on the Joe Rogan Podcast, Joe Rogan Experience. I have a new movie coming out.

• 2:11:29Joe Rogan?

  May first.

• 2:11:30Speaker 02

  May first. It's called One Spoon of Chocolate, starring Shamique Moore, Paris Jackson, Blair Underwood. It follows a ex-military convict who comes home and is trying to find a better life for himself. Ends up in a small town where everything goes fucking bananas. In theaters everywhere, May first.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  When is it gonna be available on streaming?

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  I don't know. Soon, right?

• 2:11:55Joe Rogan?

  How do you usually do that?

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Well, to be honest, I'm like.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, Iron Fist was, what year was that out?

• 2:12:01Speaker 02

  That was 2011, 2012.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  And it was a different atmosphere back then, right? Pre-COVID, COVID changed a lot of like movie-going habits, right?

• 2:12:08Speaker 02

  Changed everything, yeah. I want the movie going, Espirits to come back, though.

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah, I do too, yeah. I mean, there's something about going to see a great movie with a bunch of people, that's a real experience.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I think, I, I, I'm so, I mean, my, my art, my career is based on sneaking into a fucking movie theater and watching three Kung Fu movies.

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:30Speaker 02

  So, I'm, I'm a big into cinema. I think what we did, so, so, so this, so this particular film is actually coming through my own distribution company called Thirty-Six Cinema. And I think we did a deal with the theaters that they can have at least thirty days. A lot of people are doing seventeen days in the theaters, or twenty-one days. And cinema is suffering because of that, because why go to the theater if I got it at home? You know what I mean? And, and, and home is, of course, a great place to watch a movie. But when you're making a movie, right, you're making it for the theater. We haven't, TV is made for home, but cinema is made for cinema. Like, we haven't, um, what can I say? Like, the sound, the color, the framing, like, I use anamorphic lenses.

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 2:13:16Speaker 02

  Anamorphic, like, the lenses are the fifties, where you fucking get this whole fucking scope, you know what I mean? And so, yeah, you could watch it on your phone.

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  What is the difference, it was an anamorphic lens and a regular lens?

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  A regular lens would be, uh, the way, the way, the way it bends the light in all reality. So, so, like, you could have, like, uh, sixteen point nine. Okay, see, that's, so, that's, most lenses are, are spherical now, that's that, right? Which is cool. Right, but look at anamorphic. It's the way, it's, it's, it's the way it controls the light, way the subject is happening. And so, it kind of gives you more of a cinematic feel.

• 2:13:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, your focus, it's certainly like a little more blurry in the background.

• 2:13:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:14:00Speaker 02

  And it kind of, it could, it's where it's compressing that light differently.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  And so, you, with this lens, do you do everything on film, or is it digital?

• 2:14:09Speaker 02

  I actually shot this on digital. Um, so yeah, so I mean, I'm in the digital age, so I did shoot digital. But I did, um, we did make thirty-five millimeter prints of the movie.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:14:22Speaker 02

  So if you are, so if you're in California and you go to the theater called The Vista, have you ever been to The Vista?

• 2:14:26Joe Rogan?

  No. Where's that?

• 2:14:29Speaker 02

  I think it's in Los Feliz or some shit like that.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:14:33Speaker 02

  I'm bad at my Hollywood neighborhoods. I'm like, I'm still a New Yorker.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, I get it.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  But, um, The Vista Theater will show the film on thirty-five millimeter for like two weeks. It'll be there starting May first.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you wanna see, and thirty-five millimeter, oh, there you go, The Vista. I love this guy. Hey, Jamie.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's the best.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, his, his trigger finger is a motherfucker, bro.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's psychic. He knows what you're talking about before you-

• 2:14:57Speaker 02

  Exactly. He's like the vet, duh.

• 2:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, so that's The Vista. So that, so what is the difference, like, the way it looks to you when you see it on thirty-five millimeter versus digital?

• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  Well, it's, I think the thirty-five millimeter kinda, it, it makes the colors a little more richer and darker. Like kinda how, how, how the seventies films looked, and even up to the eighties. The digital one, that, cause I've, I've watched my film on both formats, the, the digital is more brighter and actually more familiar now to us.

• 2:15:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, we're accustomed to it.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're accustomed to it. Um, but, um, when we, I played it thirty, on April twenty-second, I had a, in fact, I'm gonna talk about that a little bit, if you don't mind. But on April twenty-second, we had our premiere in California on thirty-five millimeter. And it was my first time seeing it on thirty-five millimeter. I mean, so, and it felt, it felt very nostalgic. I felt like I was back. It felt like a movie only. Like, I mean, not, not, not like a movie and a TV show or a movie, it felt only like a movie. Only a movie experience, the flickering. Uh, when you, when you, you know, when you're doing thirty-five millimeter, you need, you know, a real camera.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:16:12Speaker 02

  And so the light is going from this camera, from this one, then they gotta switch the rail from this, from this, and it's like, it's a certain thing that's happening, a certain pacing, a certain gran, granular thing that's happening that, for me, for my film, it felt almost like an honor to watch it like that.

• 2:16:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  Um, I wanna get, make a, make a, uh, so check this out, bro.

• 2:16:35Speaker 02

  So we talked about this last time I said, but April 22nd, right? That was the day that I was acquitted from a crime. And started my life over. I was facing eight years. April 22nd, that's back in 1992. Okay? As you can see, a year later, I'm a platinum producer. But before that, I was heading to hell. April 22nd, serendipitously, is the day that my film premieres on 35 millimeter. And at the Vista Theater in Hollywood, April 22nd. But you've seen the opener of the film as well.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  So when my character gets out of jail, he marks on the calendar, the day he gets out, April 22nd.

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  It's special. This is a special film. Especially for my life, I'm saying, for me.

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  That's cool.

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  And it was my buddy Shavo from System of a Down birthday. We actually celebrate April 22nd every year because it wasn't my birthday, but it was the birth of the RZA, because before that, I was known as Prince Rakeen. But after that, acquitting, and my mother telling me, you know, you got a second chance. I was like, exit Prince Rakeen, enter the RZA.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Nice. That's amazing.

• 2:17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  So when you were talking about the streaming thing, so do you... Is that something that's negotiated beforehand? Like it'll be in the theaters for X amount of time? Or do you, once it's in the theater, do you then... Like depending on how well it does in the theater, is that how you negotiate a streaming deal? Or how does it work?

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  No, it works... It's usually negotiated ahead of time.

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  And all the streamers kind of dictate what's gonna happen. So since we had this on our own company, we had a chance to make the rules ourselves. So I did make a streaming deal, but I made the theatrical deal first. And I gave the theaters 30 days first. And so now my streamer, he would go... My streaming distribution, which is Samuel Goodwin, they would go and... I hope I pronounced that right, bro. I could fuck a word up sometimes.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the right word.

• 2:20:53Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  What up, Peter?

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm the wrong guy to ask, though.

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I could fuck a word up. But anyway, so, yeah, he'll solicit to streamers, but we wanted a 30-day cinema experience. And in the future, I'm gonna try for 45 days, bro. Remember when we was kids, bro? Star Wars was in the theaters three times before you had a chance to see it come home.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:19Speaker 02

  And what did you do? You went back to the theater.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:22Speaker 02

  Because the lights, the sound, the vibe of what you're creating. I make it for the theater, I gotta be honest with you. I make film for the theater. When my other film came out during the pandemic, Cutthroat City, since it was a pandemic, you know, even though my contract said it should be in theaters, the pandemic of it kinda made it a force majeure, like, maybe not in theaters. But my producer, Michael Mendelson, who, you know, is a good guy, he said, "All right, can I say, bro, I didn't make this shit for no streaming, bro. Okay, I shot my shit on anamorphic lenses. I got all the sound, like I made it for the theaters."

• 2:22:06Speaker 02

  He was like, "Yeah, but the theaters ain't nothing popping, bro. Nobody's going to the theaters." And I was like, "Well, I don't know, then hold it." But he said, "I can't hold it, bro, like, you know, it's business." But he still, no, but he still say, "Okay, I'm gonna pitch you on 200 screens." And you could go and get to, you know, and he did it, you know what I mean? So, all my films has always go to the cinema first. And if I have my way, every film I make will always start at a cinema.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever tried using those? What is the Apple one, Jamie? The, those Apple AR goggles? Apple Vision Pro? Yeah. I heard watching movies on those is phenomenal.

• 2:22:46Speaker 02

  Yes, okay. But you have to also design it for that, too.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, to get the full experience, because come on, you're going like this. And some, there's been some artists who have been able to create stuff for that. It's almost like, uh, I mean, I won't say it's like the Sphere. You have you been to the Sphere?

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Yes, but only for a fight.

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  Right, no.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  They had a UFC there, it was amazing.

• 2:23:07Speaker 02

  I love it there, but Darren Anoski had did a movie made directly for the Sphere. In fact, there's another movie they're doing, they're doing another movie right now that they showed me a clip of. That's gonna be made in the Sphere, and it's actually very sports-based, and so it's crazy. And of course, the Wizard of Oz.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  I heard that's nuts.

• 2:23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I seen that there.

• 2:23:26Joe Rogan?

  You saw the Wizard of Oz? I heard there's all sorts of crazy new effects, and they added a bunch of stuff to the movie.

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:33Speaker 02

  It's amazing, and it's fucking, but the Sphere is amazing, anyway, right?

• 2:23:37Joe Rogan?

  It's an incredible experience.

• 2:23:38Speaker 04

  This is a new thing AMC has just shown recently and announced called Screen X. It's two hundred and seventy degrees, it's gonna surround the, the audience in some way.

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, that's how you get people to go back to the movie theater. Give them something like this, where they're like, what?

• 2:23:53Speaker 04

  It's kinda like recut, so it might be a fun way to go back and maybe see a movie you really like.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like see Avatar in that, or Alien?

• 2:24:01Speaker 02

  They got the Matrix like that now.

• 2:24:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's that Cosm, that's kinda like the Sphere thing.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:24:06Speaker 04

  This just sort of is announced, it's only in two, like, two cities right now.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  There's a place, um, I know there's a place in Dallas where they show UFC fights.

• 2:24:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's Cosm.

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  That's Cosm?

• 2:24:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's where the, the Matrix thing.

• 2:24:18Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts, man.

• 2:24:19Speaker 02

  I love that he got the answers.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a genius. But with the, the place in Dallas, the Cosm place, like, you're seated here, and the screen is like sixty feet tall, and it's right in front of you. And you're watching the fights as if.

• 2:24:34Speaker 04

  This is the Matrix.

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so this is the Matrix.

• 2:24:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, they worked with the film company to sort of like remake it and add extra stuff.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:24:44Speaker 04

  There's also a new screen I just saw. I think it's gonna be in Clearwater, Florida. It's gonna be the world's biggest screen.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  See if you can show-

• 2:24:52Speaker 04

  I'll show you the fight thing.

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, show me fight scenes. Like, people were watching the fights there. I was like, okay, that might actually be better than being there live. Like, look how crazy the size of the screen is.

• 2:25:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, look who you're watching. Like, you're sitting right there. I mean, that fight is gigantic. It's huge. Cause the thing about going to see the fights live, look how big that is.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  You'll be far away.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, show that again. Like, look at that. Look how nuts that is.

• 2:25:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:21Joe Rogan?

  That is nuts.

• 2:25:22Speaker 04

  You don't get to see these camera angles at home either, which is awesome.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  No. Not like that. Not like that.

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  I love this because this is giving me hope, bro. Like, everything you just showed me is giving me hope for cinema.

• 2:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Right. And this is like cheaper than buying tickets, and this is better than any ticket you could ever buy for the fights. Like, better than anything. Better than my seat, and I'm sitting cage side.

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  How much a ticket like this would cost?

• 2:25:47Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 2:25:49Speaker 04

  They do sell tickets for this. I don't know.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Click on that one. May 9th. How much does that cost? Forty bucks? A hundred bucks?

• 2:25:59Speaker 04

  If you want to sit probably real close, you had twenty bucks to get inside.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay, general admission is twenty bucks. What is the front row? Where's the screen? The display's right there. What are those? Like, right there where it says two?

• 2:26:09Speaker 04

  I don't know where you'd want to be.

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, like-

• 2:26:11Speaker 04

  Sixty-seven?

• 2:26:13Joe Rogan?

  How much? One sixty-seven?

• 2:26:14Speaker 04

  One sixty-seven.

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  That's a bargain compared to how much it would cost if you actually went to see the fight.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  And it's probably a better experience. Plus, you get commentary. You get to hear everything, and you're right there. And then, it's not just like being at home, which is great, because there's a bunch of people you're experiencing with, so it adds to the excitement and the energy.

• 2:26:33Speaker 04

  That's the knock I was gonna say with the Vision Pro is you're, it's still to right now, you're by yourself.

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  By yourself.

• 2:26:39Speaker 04

  Which is kind of, for me, I'm a single guy in my apartment with a dog. Perfect. But yeah, if you're at home with anybody, you're like, well, I can watch it. I don't, I don't have five of these.

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, catch up to me later.

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, could you watch it with a chick? Where you hold hands, you both have Vision Pro, and you both start at the same time? Three, two, one, go.

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  That's funny. That's me and my wife on a plane.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you do that?

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  Even on the way here, bro, where we watch, we watch, oh, Sebastian, what's his name? Sebastian, the last name is, he's a- Yeah, thank you.

• 2:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, comedian, yeah.

• 2:27:15Speaker 02

  We watch him, uh, he's funny, guys.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  Funny motherfucker, bro.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  Very funny.

• 2:27:19Speaker 02

  And so, yeah, so we do that every time, though, but we watch him on the way, so I don't want, she don't want to see me laughing, and she ain't laughing yet, so we hit the button at the same time. And, uh, yeah, he, that guy's crazy, yeah, he's funny.

• 2:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing, they should have like simultaneous viewing option. Are you gonna watch it with someone else? Would you like to view it simultaneously? And then have them sync up with each other?

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  One plane does that. One plane does that. Um, what airline was that?

• 2:27:48Speaker 02

  Qantas.

• 2:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  I think Qantas is up on it.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, they got those sixteen hour flights, they gotta make things interesting.

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, they got, it's actually, it says, watch with a friend.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's smart. That's smart. Yeah, it's interesting, like, what is the next level past AR with those goggles? It's gonna be an immersive experience where you're actually, we had the people from perplexity who were here earlier today, and we were talking about how people, uh, with AI and all this stuff, they're, they're gonna want more human experiences, like going to see a live concert, or seeing, you know, a, a sporting event live. I'm like, yeah, until it's completely immersive, and then it's like you're playing a video game, but you're in World of Warcraft, or you're in Battlefield Earth, or whatever, whatever game you're playing.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, I think for that form of entertainment of video game, yes, but I still think, because even, you know, it's more senses, bro, it, it ain't just the sight and sound, it's the smell.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but what if they can recreate that? Like, what if, what if they get the technology where you can create a movie, but the person who is watching the movie is standing on the street, like in the opening scene where those girls pick that dude up in that, that Saab convertible? Like, what if you're standing, you feel the street, and you watch the dude get in the car?

• 2:29:14Speaker 02

  Right. But you're standing at home by yourself?

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:17Speaker 02

  Well, you'd be terrified in my film.

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course, but you'll be, but you'll be in it.

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  You'll be in it.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  That'll be interesting.

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  I think that's coming, man. I think that's coming.

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Well, if that comes, reach out to me and I'll write a script.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  To make sure that we fucking hit you with it, right?

• 2:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, you're gonna have to like capitalize on all the different things that can take place.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  What do you think about that, uh, that Saab? Do you remember the Saab fucking nine hundred?

• 2:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:43Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine had one of those.

• 2:29:45Speaker 02

  It was a cool car.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were interesting looking. They were like futuristic. They were different than any other car.

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  That's why in the film I was like, they was like, well, what kind of car you want? I was like, give me a Saab.

• 2:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:57Speaker 02

  They say, why? I said, well.

• 2:29:58Joe Rogan?

  They still make them?

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I think, uh, they might have, no, I don't think they definitely don't make new ones.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Saabs?

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  Uh-oh, hold on, this, this.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  Hold on. I don't know. That's a good question. I know they make Volvo still.

• 2:30:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was in a Volvo.

• 2:30:12Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they still make Saabs.

• 2:30:14Speaker 04

  Nah, bankrupt in twenty eleven.

• 2:30:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, no more Saabs. But, um, the punchline for me was that this Saab, oh, and I'll, I'll give you one spoiler of the film. Um, as you know, as you finish the second half of it, um, there's no time. So I removed the time from the film so you don't know what year you're in.

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:30:34Speaker 02

  And that's why you'll see the Saab, but then you'll see when they, when they playing their video game and shit.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  Uh, they playing.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, with, yeah, the AR goggles.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  And a glove that don't exist.

• 2:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, I thought that too. When I was seeing them move, I go, is that real?

• 2:30:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, the idea is that.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you brought that up.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  I want that to happen. I wanna see one day I could play a basketball game like this.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  That'd be dope, right?

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  That would be.

• 2:31:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  They're getting real close to stuff like that. They're getting real close to stuff like that. We have, um, uh, an AR game out there that you, you, it's a zombie game. And you put the headphones on, the, the headset on, and you, you run around and you have an actual gun and you're shooting zombies.

• 2:31:17Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  And you pointing it at it and it's like, they're getting really close.

• 2:31:22Speaker 04

  I'll show you something I discovered. This, shout out to this guy, I think he's doing this all on his own. Uh, I found him and tweeted at him one day, but he didn't answer. Daniel Habib is his name. He's got this company called True Three D. He's done this with two movies so far, and I think you have to be in the theater to experience it. But it's kinda exactly what we're talking about. He, he converted a movie, I think Insidious, a scary movie.

• 2:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a scary movie.

• 2:31:43Speaker 04

  So you're.

• 2:31:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:45Speaker 04

  He's not showing you what, because he's being smart, he's also developing it still. And he also did it with Interstellar just recently.

• 2:31:50Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:31:51Speaker 04

  And I almost flew to New York just so I could go see it, because I was very curious and it looks awesome.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it looks cool.

• 2:31:58Speaker 02

  So he adapted it to the Vision Pro?

• 2:32:00Speaker 04

  These are just in Meta Quest headsets, I believe, and you probably have to be at the theater, because I think that's where the sound's coming from. You probably, and, uh, looked it up. As the user watching it, you get to decide how in-depth this becomes, because if you want to see the people next to you, you can sort of like, go like level two and still see your neighbor. Or go level four and be like fully in the room and you can't see anybody else, you can maybe just touch them, because you know they're there.

• 2:32:23Joe Rogan?

  I like how some people are jumping, then there's some people that are like dead on the inside, not even moving.

• 2:32:28Speaker 04

  Because these are jump scares, he has that built in, so you know when a jump scare's coming, or you don't know when a jump scare's coming.

• 2:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah, interesting.

• 2:32:36Speaker 04

  You can either be super scared, or you can know and not be scared that, you know, someone's gonna come from behind you.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Why would you pass up?

• 2:32:45Speaker 04

  Maybe it's, this seems like it could fucking give you a heart attack.

• 2:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe it's people with weak hearts, like let me know, let me know when I'm gonna get freaked out.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  And also Dolby, I saw, you seen, I saw Dolby made this thing, uh, these glasses, have you seen these Dolby glasses, bro?

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  That, that, uh, that you could hear shit, bro. Like, like surround sound with glasses on. Dolby, yeah, I mean, I hope I don't be revealing a secret.

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  What is it doing different?

• 2:33:15Speaker 04

  Like, what do you mean, you can hear things, you can watch, see, and hear.

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:18Speaker 04

  So it's surround sound glasses?

• 2:33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:22Speaker 04

  And so the glasses, is it projecting it into your inner ear? Like, how's it doing it? Does it plug into your ear?

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't even plug into your ear.

• 2:33:31Speaker 04

  So it's one of those things that sits above the ear on the outside, like pressing against your skull?

• 2:33:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they kind of.

• 2:33:36Speaker 04

  They have headphones like that, right? I've seen that.

• 2:33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen some headphones that give you twelve, twelve point one.

• 2:33:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, like earbuds, and they, they don't go in your ear, they like sit on the skull.

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see if you can find those Dolby, those Dolby glasses, I don't know, I don't know, I went to Dolby, uh...

• 2:33:53Speaker 02

  Some months ago and they.

• 2:33:54Joe Rogan?

  Is this a spoiler alert?

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  That's why, that's why, I tell you, I said, you can't edit this shit, huh?

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  We could, if, if we can't, if you're not supposed to know.

• 2:34:03Speaker 04

  I don't know, there's something in here that doesn't, it's showing some 3D glasses they have, but it didn't say the sound is coming out of them. I would imagine if Dolby's making him sound is involved.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  It has to be, right?

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  Dolby Cinema.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's 3D, they're 3D glasses.

• 2:34:17Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 2:34:18Speaker 02

  No, no, no, bro, listen, I put them on, bro, you can hear shit.

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, so did you put them on to watch a movie? Like, what did you put them on to watch?

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did, I put them on, like, they had a whole demo room, I thought, I was looking at something.

• 2:34:30Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  And, and it sounded like I was in the room with, it sounded like I was in the movie theater, but I took the glasses off.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look, this is what it is, so it's showing you everything in 3D.

• 2:34:42Speaker 04

  You need to have the glasses, I think, to get the test.

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  Hmm. And this, and the sound is, is, is, is, is, is connected, so that's.

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  That's 2021, so this is five years old already.

• 2:34:55Speaker 04

  Again, I don't, this might not.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  So this is a vision, but it, but what about this Dolby Atmos, Atmos is the sound.

• 2:35:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  Plus Dolby Vision HDR.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  Twelve, yep, 12.61, what, what, what year is that?

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Let's say what you do. 2024. Whoa.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:35:26Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's where you're, okay, that's where you're home, that's, that's having your system, but they got some shit with it, it's in the glasses, bro.

• 2:35:33Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 2:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're, we're in an interesting time when it comes to technology and all this.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and entertainment.

• 2:35:39Joe Rogan?

  VR, VR stuff and.

• 2:35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:41Joe Rogan?

  And where it's going.

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  I'm happy about it, are you?

• 2:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, I know a lot of people are freaked out about AI, there's a lot of that, a lot of people freaked out about AI music, a lot of people freaked out about AI replacing actors and their, their ability to generate images and video.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  I, I, I, I believe AI to be a tool, I'm from the hip hop generation, right, so we sampling.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  A record, and therefore it's a digital replication of the record, it's not the record.

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  Right, and especially when we sampling at 16 bit or 12 bit or some bit that's not even.

• 2:36:22Speaker 02

  Where the the the computer or the AI or the the chip has to fill in the pieces. This is why you get that sound you hear from hip hop. So so I always embraced embraced it, the technology. I also know that it's nothing like the real thing. You know, I put on a, you know, even if even if I put on a piece of vinyl and put that needle on it and play it, because in my house I have it, I got all type of setups, right? But when we really want to have a good time, we just put on the fucking vinyl. And it sounds so much better, different, or.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  It's got depth to it.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  It crackles.

• 2:37:04Speaker 02

  Exactly, it's something else.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:06Speaker 02

  So it's nothing like the real thing. But in but in in the in between time, in the meantime, let's enjoy. You know, like you said, if you could, if I could make you feel like you in Hawaii and you don't have to leave your house.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  Cool. But if you could go to Hawaii.

• 2:37:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:37:24Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:37:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  Go to Hawaii.

• 2:37:28Speaker 02

  And I was trying to tell the AI industry or AI community that we got to change the A. It shouldn't be considered artificial.

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Digital intelligence.

• 2:37:41Speaker 02

  Well, keep the A because you can't, but but don't change, the A could be assisted, accumulated. Depending on the situation, find the find the A word that makes it describe what you're doing. Like, for instance, it's right now, it's assisting him.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  This is an assist, it's assisting intelligence.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, artificial sounds cheap.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's artificial, bro. You don't want artificial nothing. If I, if you came to your girl and you proposed to her with some artificial diamonds.

• 2:38:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  It ain't working, okay?

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Girls don't even like real diamonds that are man made. Isn't that weird that is? They have a hard time selling real diamonds that are made in a laboratory.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  I don't, yeah, is that a real diamond?

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  It's a real diamond.

• 2:38:30Speaker 02

  I mean, molecularly.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a real diamond. It's just not created by the earth over time. It's created in a laboratory. But if you look at it, it's a real, I mean, it's not like a fake Ferrari. It's a fucking diamond. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't have to do things. Like, if you, if you go to China and you buy a fake iPhone, who knows what the fuck's in there? All kinds of, it probably won't work with Apple, won't work with the iTunes store, the Apple store. But a diamond is just a fucking rock.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  And they can take that carbon and compress it and make an artificial diamond. And lady is like, no, I don't want it. I want a real one.

• 2:39:10Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick with the ladies on that one.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:39:13Speaker 02

  The reason I'm gonna stick with the ladies on it, because I think the value of the diamond is the time that it took to become existent.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Unfortunately, diamonds are harvested in a similar way as cobalt.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  Oh, well, now we can put it that way.

• 2:39:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why they say, they call them blood diamonds.

• 2:39:31Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so if you get a diamond from a lab, no, there's no blood. It's just a machine that's compressing carbon. And it looks beautiful. And I would, if, look, obviously, I'm not a chick and I don't own any diamonds. But if I did, I'd want the lab diamond. I'm like, give me that dope shit that some scientist figured out how to make.

• 2:39:50Speaker 02

  Basically, you'll go vegan on the diamonds.

• 2:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because how big can they make them? How big can they make a lab-grown diamond? And how do they even tell? Like, how do you tell whether or not a diamond's a lab diamond? Like, is there a way that they can test them? Or is it just like provenance? Like, you know, based on like it coming from De Beers or wherever?

• 2:40:13Speaker 02

  But if there's a way, but if there's a way that they could test them.

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Bless you.

• 2:40:17Speaker 02

  Bless you. If there's a way that they could test them, then it's.

• 2:40:20Joe Rogan?

  Then it's not a real diamond, yeah. Right, right, right. Unless there's a way, maybe they're perfect in a way that doesn't exist in the diamond world. I don't know, I'm guessing, completely guessing. Look at the size of that fucking rock.

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  Seventy-five carats.

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  Seventy, the largest ever grown.

• 2:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's a fake, not a fake diamond, a real diamond made in a lab that's seventy-five carats. How much does that bitch cost?

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  Forty-two carat diamond for eighty-eight thousand dollars. Is that real? Is that how much it costs? That's how much it costs?

• 2:40:57Speaker 02

  That's nothing.

• 2:40:58Speaker 04

  I would be buying it from this website.

• 2:41:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:41:01Speaker 04

  BrilliantEarth.com.

• 2:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, just give them your credit card. Don't worry about it. That's real. You can tell. Yeah, that might not be real. That one might not be real. But, let's, let's find out, like, what is a reputable site? And how much is a reputable lab-grown diamond? How much? How much did that cost? Largest faceted lab-grown, three-hundred-seventy-five thousand dollars. Do you know how much money that would cost if that was an actual diamond from the earth?

• 2:41:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  It'd probably be a hundred million dollars.

• 2:41:35Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  Well, that, well, that's, that's, mm.

• 2:41:41Joe Rogan?

  How much would that cost? Find out how much that would cost if it was a real, I mean, is there even a real diamond that exists that's that big?

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  But three-hundred-seventy-five thousand dollars, what?

• 2:41:53Speaker 04

  It weighed, the, the biggest one weighed three-thousand-one-hundred carats.

• 2:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:42:00Speaker 04

  When it was found in nineteen oh five.

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  That's a real one.

• 2:42:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:42:04Speaker 04

  And it was cut into smaller ones.

• 2:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, bro.

• 2:42:07Speaker 04

  Holy fuck.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying. It took a long time.

• 2:42:10Speaker 04

  The girl's like, "I want that one." "Give me that one."

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  How, how old, you know, ask, ask, ask my man Perplexity. How old is that diamond? Oh my god, it has to be millions and billions of years old. Let's see, what is, what does it say here? Does it say the age of it?

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. One-point-one-eight billion years old.

• 2:42:37Speaker 04

  When it reached the surface.

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  Now, how you gonna, how you gonna replicate that? You can if you think so.

• 2:42:45Speaker 04

  With a machine.

• 2:42:46Speaker 02

  You say with a machine?

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's better. So, like, if you buy a lab-grown diamond versus a diamond that came from the earth, how can they tell the difference? Find that out. Can you discern? Put this into Perplexity. How do you discern between a lab-grown diamond and a diamond that came from the earth?

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Whether or not, how do you discern? Make a girl smell it. Get up on a table like.

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't smell blood.

• 2:43:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, men, men can't tell, but women can.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Their hair in the back of their neck sticks up.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't like it. It seems fake.

• 2:43:27Speaker 04

  It says you can't.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  You can't.

• 2:43:29Speaker 02

  It says you can't?

• 2:43:30Speaker 04

  I mean, with specialized scanners, which almost means in.

• 2:43:33Speaker 02

  Hold on, I mean, let me, let me read that to the audience.

• 2:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Visual appearance is the same, lab grown and natural diamonds have the same sparkle hardness and basic optical properties, so they look identical in jewelry. Naked eye tests don't work. Standard home tricks, fog test, scratch test, only distinguish diamond from non-diamond, not lab versus natural. Standard diamond testers don't help. Thermal electric testers will say diamond for both lab grown and natural stones, because their physical properties are essentially the same. In other words, you cannot reliably discern the origin of your, on your own, just by looking at it or using a simple tester. A jeweler, how do they do it? Let's see, what does it say here?

• 2:44:14Speaker 04

  They literally, it seems like they write the word lab grown that you can see under a microscope or something.

• 2:44:19Speaker 02

  They use the description of mini lab grown diamonds on inscribed. Why would you inscribe it?

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're an asshole.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:44:27Speaker 02

  Okay, inclusions of growth features.

• 2:44:29Speaker 04

  If you make better, if you, if you're like the best at it, if you're the Rolex of making lab grown diamonds so people can't copy yours, maybe.

• 2:44:35Speaker 02

  Well, no, no, here goes something that's interesting. It says, uh, lab grown, uh, HP, HT and CBD diamonds can show characteristic of metallic inclusions and geometric patterns or growth striations that differ from most natural diamonds.

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  But this is subtle and not always present.

• 2:44:54Speaker 02

  But there's a chance to dance, right?

• 2:44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a chance. Natural diamonds tend to have more irregular geologic looking inclusions.

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Um, fluorescence patterns under UV differences in how the stone fluoresces. Under short wave and long wave UV light can hint at lab grown versus natural, but interpretation requires training and comparison.

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Those are hints.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  But it says hints, not guarantees, and many stones look ambiguous without proper instruments.

• 2:45:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  So she gotta be, she gotta complain at the end of the day, right?

• 2:45:28Joe Rogan?

  She's gotta bring it to a university.

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:29Speaker 05

  Test this.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, because she has to be, and she's dissatisfied. She has to, has, she really has to complain.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it interesting, though, that it's the same thing, but some women want it to be from the earth and not from a lab? Even though it's the same thing. It's like if they could make you a banana and it tasted like a banana, it had all the vitamins of a banana. It looked like a banana, but it wasn't grown on a banana tree. It just came out of a banana lab. Would you be upset if somebody gave you a fake banana if it's exactly the same?

• 2:46:04Speaker 02

  Hmm, that's a good question.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  Well, well.

• 2:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Bananas aren't, there's no status attached to a banana.

• 2:46:11Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  That we eat, but.

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, but what about GMO? Aren't we anti-GMO?

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but is it genetically modified if it's just a replica of a banana? I mean, banana is probably a bad thing because you're putting it in your body.

• 2:46:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:46:25Joe Rogan?

  But if it's something that is a complete, like.

• 2:46:28Speaker 02

  Like, here's a good one.

• 2:46:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  Fofo versus a real fur.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:33Speaker 02

  Why would you, why would you complain if I came home with a faux mink?

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Because some women want the actual animal to die. So they could wear it.

• 2:46:46Joe Rogan?

  I want something to suffer in the snow in a trap around its neck. I don't know. It's weird.

• 2:46:52Speaker 02

  What movie was that? Uh, The Revenant, right?

• 2:46:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  That was good.

• 2:46:56Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy.

• 2:46:57Speaker 02

  Leonardo.

• 2:46:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:59Speaker 02

  It was, it was good because it also let us understand, you know, just, I love the idea that. That there was a business sadly. And motherfuckers going looking for animals to kill. The brain back and make a jacket.

• 2:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, still is.

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  Still is.

• 2:47:16Joe Rogan?

  Still is. You know, there's a company in China that makes Rolex's. Exact to a real Rolex, but it's not a real Rolex. They, because of, because of 3D printing now, because of, they can. Scan every individual part that a Rolex, so they buy a Rolex and then. Recreate exactly to the, the same type of steel that they use. The same quartz for the, the, the, the, whatever the fuck is the.

• 2:47:48Speaker 02

  The face, the bend.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  What is, what is the term I'm looking for? The lens? It's not the lens. What is it called?

• 2:47:53Speaker 04

  Bezel?

• 2:47:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, the glass part that's in the front. God, how can I forget that? No. I forget what it's called. How, uh, it's one of those brain farts where my brain is like just not remembering. What it means.

• 2:48:07Speaker 04

  The watch crystal is all it's saying.

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  The crystal. That's it. Just the crystal. Jesus. Um, but. They take it and they recreate everything with the exact same materials, but it's like 500 bucks. As opposed to 11,000.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  But it is exact. Like you bring it to a watch person and it'll take them hours. To figure out whether or not this is an actual Rolex or not. They have to use microscopes. They have to get up in there and. Look at the finish and the way the hands are made and they're getting better and better and better at it.

• 2:48:38Speaker 02

  Would you wear it or?

• 2:48:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would wear it. I mean, I don't, I wouldn't because I have a real one, but, but if I didn't have a real one, I would wear it.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  But that's, see now.

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  You know who has a fake one? Usik, the heavyweight champion of the world, Alexander Usik. He wears a fake Rolex. He thinks it's hilarious.

• 2:48:53Speaker 02

  You know what? That's, that's, that's my big question. Like, uh, like I was, we were just talking about, you know, the AI or talking about whatever it is. I think anything is good until the real thing shows up. You know, I think when the real thing shows up.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  It's gonna be real and you and it's something about the real thing. Whatever that is, whatever that thing is, that's just like, it ain't gonna never not be real.

• 2:49:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:18Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:49:18Joe Rogan?

  There's something about like a real Rolex, it comes from the company Rolex, it's been making watches for a hundred years and it's. They figured out the technology, they figured out how to, you know, cause these like a Rolex is an automatic watch, so it's got. It's moving on like this is an Omega and this this watch is automatic too, so this is moving on. It's working on my movement, so my movement winds it, so every time I move my arm, it winds it up in the second hand. And it's incredibly precise, accurate within like a couple of seconds a day.

• 2:49:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  And somebody had to figure that out.

• 2:49:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  And they figured it out a long fucking time ago, these guys figured out how to make. The perfect amount of spring tension, these little tiny gears that move around in there.

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  And how long, how long, how long does it last?

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  How long would it stay charged for?

• 2:50:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, like, like. I don't have too much, I do got a couple of Rolexes, but I don't, I don't, as you see, I don't.

• 2:50:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow, they'll last for decades and decades. I mean, you could buy, there's a place called Bob's Watches online, you could buy like a nineteen sixty seven Rolex. And it still works perfectly, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they last forever and sometimes they need service and all that means is like they need to clean them out and maybe they replace a spring or some shit. But then it's back to work.

• 2:50:37Speaker 02

  I seen one in, um, well, for the, for the, for the ones that's making in China, you know, I mean, that's, you know, and the guys.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Call them super clones.

• 2:50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, the super cloners and you can't afford a real one and you wanna be cool with a fake one.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  On a budget.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  Baller on a budget, we're not knocking that, but I saw one that my wife wanted, she didn't get it, I told her to get it. But she, um, she thought she'll get it somewhere else in Brussels, right? They had, have you ever seen an orange Rolex?

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  Exactly, bro, they had it on display for sale. And she never seen it either, I'm not into watches, but she's kinda getting there into it, so she, and we was kinda moving fast and shit and she was like. You know, she saw it and she wanted it, uh, I said, well, go ahead and get it, I'll wait, she said, no, we can move, I'll get it somewhere else. You can't get it nowhere else. You only could get it from that one location in Brussels.

• 2:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so Rolex makes it specifically just for them?

• 2:51:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some companies that customize watches. That you could buy where they take a regular Rolex and they customize it. And the problem with that is, even though it's expensive, it's not worth as much to some people because they've altered it.

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  Right. This is not altered, though.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it comes only from Rolex?

• 2:51:54Speaker 02

  Only from Rolex.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  And they only sell it?

• 2:51:56Speaker 02

  They only sell it there.

• 2:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:51:58Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Take, if you could, see if you could, you might, see if you could find that one.

• 2:52:01Joe Rogan?

  People love exclusivity. Hall of Time in Brussels. Rolex Explorer II, the primary model, featuring a single bright orange 24-hour hand. Often found at authorized dealers like Hall of Time in Brussels.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow, interesting.

• 2:52:18Speaker 02

  So I gotta take it all the way back to Brussels to get it.

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so pretty, though. I bet you could buy it online. Could you buy it online? You'd probably have to pay a premium. Look at that, 11,000. You could buy it online. 210,000?

• 2:52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's something more like it right there. Yeah.

• 2:52:34Joe Rogan?

  210?

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  Maybe I won't be going back to Brussels.

• 2:52:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just crazy how much cheaper those superclones are that look exactly the same.

• 2:52:46Speaker 02

  I bet you after this podcast, a superclone are gonna say, "He gonna make those now."

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find, uh, one of those superclone sites from China. Because what they're doing is just taking advantage of the fact that, like, everybody wants these status symbols. And that's what a lot of it is, you know? It's like, so here it is. What is this company called? SuperLuxuryRep.com.

• 2:53:13Joe Rogan?

  Let's go with the, scroll up a little bit, please. Right there, the Daytona, that's the classic. Black dial Daytona, that's a, ooh, look at that blue one right there to the right. The one, yeah, look at that motherfucker. Click on that, 1,600 bucks. Yeah. Boy, that'd be so much more money. Look how pretty that is.

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  That looks perfect. So no one would ever know. So for sixteen hundred bucks, no one is ever gonna fucking know.

• 2:53:39Speaker 04

  There's a pretty good chance that's a picture of a real one, too.

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Good, good point. Good point. Damn, Jamie's taking levels ahead.

• 2:53:47Speaker 02

  I like that, I like that.

• 2:53:48Joe Rogan?

  That's true, they might be fucking with you.

• 2:53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you get it home, it ain't like it was in the picture. The Whopper is not the size it is on the commercial.

• 2:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Good, though. Okay, so luxury, super luxury reps. Let's, uh, put this into a search. Super luxury reps reviews.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  See, how good are the watches from super luxury reps?

• 2:54:16Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at that. Super clone, date just thirty-six millimeter floral dial, thousand bucks.

• 2:54:25Speaker 04

  TrustPilot, it's all good, it's fine.

• 2:54:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, TrustPilot.

• 2:54:28Speaker 02

  That's a good guy, right?

• 2:54:28Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. They just stuck that on there. They stuck that, I mean, come on, this is in China. WhatsApp us, yeah, this is in China. Video proof.

• 2:54:36Speaker 04

  You always need video proof on every website.

• 2:54:38Joe Rogan?

  Show me video proof. Oh, how about, okay, go to Richard Mille, cuz those watches are like a million bucks.

• 2:54:45Speaker 04

  Video proof of one right here.

• 2:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, video proof. Show me the video proof.

• 2:54:48Speaker 04

  Someone's opening it, on a vertical screen.

• 2:54:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they're getting very close to it.

• 2:54:52Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I guess maybe they're trying to show the microscope of.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so you're seeing all the action and all the movement. So Richard Mille watch, click on those, please, because, um, that's like a million dollar watch. Those watches are insanely expensive.

• 2:55:06Speaker 04

  Not from here.

• 2:55:07Joe Rogan?

  How much do they cost?

• 2:55:09Speaker 04

  Sixteen hundred or so.

• 2:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen hundred bucks. So fourteen hundred bucks or?

• 2:55:14Speaker 02

  A million dollars.

• 2:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Half a million.

• 2:55:15Speaker 04

  Learn where to shop.

• 2:55:16Speaker 02

  You know what I just learned from watching that thing, though?

• 2:55:19Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:55:19Speaker 02

  The other one you had with the moving gears, it reminded me of the quantum computer.

• 2:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 2:55:26Speaker 02

  Something, my brain is bugged out, but.

• 2:55:28Joe Rogan?

  Those things are weird.

• 2:55:29Speaker 02

  But I saw, I saw, I saw the science of a quantum computer there.

• 2:55:35Speaker 04

  Right, all that stuff moving.

• 2:55:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it takes.

• 2:55:38Speaker 04

  All those gears.

• 2:55:39Speaker 02

  It takes that.

• 2:55:40Speaker 04

  Well, the quantum computers are so crazy cuz all that shit is all cooling, and the actual computer is like the size of a, like, a Triscuit.

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  Right. You kinda, you think about the human heart, right? It's doing a lot of fucking work.

• 2:55:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:55:54Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Do you know it's not really a pump?

• 2:55:58Speaker 02

  That's what they're saying now.

• 2:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like a cycle.

• 2:56:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, a vortex.

• 2:56:02Joe Rogan?

  A vortex, yeah.

• 2:56:04Speaker 02

  But it's...

• 2:56:05Joe Rogan?

  I used to think of it as a pump.

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  But it makes sense, right? The quantum computer, the brain, all these things. It's almost like our biology is teaching. Science is now catching up to the science of our biology and now finding a way to mechanically emulate our biology.

• 2:56:23Joe Rogan?

  So what superluxuryreps.com is? They sell, perplexity says they sell super cloned luxury watches emphasizing that their pieces mirror the design, weight, and performance of genuine models. They present themselves as a premium alternative to cheap replicas focusing on workmanship, durability. We just did an ad for these people. We basically just gave them an ad. I guarantee you some fakers are gonna go there.

• 2:56:50Speaker 04

  You're not thinking you're buying the real thing here and you shouldn't. That's just the note.

• 2:56:56Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, it's like it mirrors the performance. It looks exactly the same. That's my point. It's like, why does a Rolex cost that much money then? If they can make it for fourteen hundred bucks, why is it? Like, how much does a Daytona cost if you bought it retail? Like, what is a Rolex? Let's take a guess. I gotta imagine it's fifteen thousand. I gotta imagine it's at least ten times more. What does a Rolex Daytona cost?

• 2:57:23Speaker 02

  So you're saying that the material is all the same? But they're stealing the idea.

• 2:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes, they're stealing everything. They're stealing the design, the idea.

• 2:57:33Speaker 02

  So when you're paying the fifteen thousand, you're paying for the idea, the design, and everything, not just the material.

• 2:57:39Joe Rogan?

  So thirty grand. So it's more than ten. Look at that.

• 2:57:46Joe Rogan?

  So that black one, the black faced one is exactly like the one that they had there.

• 2:57:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:51Joe Rogan?

  White, that's pretty... But you could sell that, though. The thing is, that comes with paperwork and you could sell it probably for even more than thirty afterwards. That's the difference.

• 2:58:01Speaker 02

  That's the difference, right?

• 2:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:02Speaker 02

  It can appreciate and not depreciate.

• 2:58:04Joe Rogan?

  And it has serial numbers and paperwork and all that. It's an actual investment.

• 2:58:09Speaker 02

  I wanna take a moment, and once again, this is The RZA on the Joe Rogan Experience. You like when I do this?

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes, please.

• 2:58:16Speaker 02

  Okay, thanks. This is The RZA on the Joe Rogan Experience. I have a new film coming out, May first in theaters. It's called One Spoon of Chocolate. Quentin Tarantino presents The RZA's One Spoon of Chocolate in theaters everywhere, May first. It follows the story of a ex-military convict trying to find a better way in life. Ends up in a small town and shit goes bananas.

• 2:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Chaos ensues. Dun dun dun.

• 2:58:44Speaker 02

  Action-packed, bone-shattering.

• 2:58:47Joe Rogan?

  And available on streaming in maybe a month or so.

• 2:58:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe a month or so. Maybe forty-five days. Go see it in the movie theaters. And you know what? Go to the theaters, Joe. You know, I come because... Tell me if you agree with this. I don't care where you get popcorn from anywhere else. I like Disneyland, I like the amusement parks, but no popcorn touches movie theater popcorn.

• 2:59:08Joe Rogan?

  They know what they're doing.

• 2:59:09Speaker 02

  They got something going on there.

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  But whatever that butter is, what is that shit? That stuff, when you go to the machine, you press the button?

• 2:59:15Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know what that is.

• 2:59:16Joe Rogan?

  What's in there?

• 2:59:17Speaker 02

  I think it's vegan.

• 2:59:18Joe Rogan?

  It can't be good for you.

• 2:59:19Speaker 02

  It can't be good.

• 2:59:20Joe Rogan?

  It can't be good for you.

• 2:59:21Speaker 02

  Well, at the Alamo Drafthouse, they use real butter.

• 2:59:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they use real butter.

• 2:59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, Alamo Drafthouse. You ever been to Sinoplis?

• 2:59:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes. Sinoplis is awesome.

• 2:59:30Speaker 02

  That's a joint, right?

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  They have everything there.

• 2:59:33Speaker 02

  Is that a date night?

• 2:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. Beautiful seats, like laying back. They have waiters and waitresses.

• 2:59:39Speaker 02

  Do you and the wife like going to see movies?

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:59:42Speaker 02

  What's your favorite theater?

• 2:59:44Joe Rogan?

  I love Sinoplis. That's my favorite. Yeah, that's the place. Because the seats are the best, they recline, they're perfect.

• 2:59:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:51Joe Rogan?

  They always... They know what they're doing. Plus, it costs a little bit more to go there, so like, no one's on their phone, making noises. People aren't talking. You know what I mean?

• 3:00:01Speaker 02

  I agree. Then the crazy thing I will say, though, Sinoplis is my favorite theater as well for the date night with my wife, but... I strongly believe, based on my experience, that it was the Alamo draft house that pioneered that whole concept.

• 3:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, of food.

• 3:00:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, bro. I remember coming out here, I don't know, it might have been 2004 or something. Like, it was this one Alamo draft house, I think, God's had it on.

• 3:00:27Joe Rogan?

  On Sixth Street.

• 3:00:28Speaker 02

  On Sixth Street, exactly.

• 3:00:28Joe Rogan?

  That's my building now.

• 3:00:29Speaker 02

  That's your building now, bro?

• 3:00:30Joe Rogan?

  That's the mothership, yeah. I bought that place. That's the Ritz.

• 3:00:34Speaker 02

  Bro, that's my, that's my school, bro.

• 3:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the Ritz.

• 3:00:37Speaker 02

  That's why I, I used to come out to the QT. I mean, that's my, that's my film college.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:43Speaker 02

  I've, I've seen so many movies there. I've, I've, I'm talking about six movies in one day.

• 3:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Tarantino screened Death Proof there.

• 3:00:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, they had so many movies out of that place. That place was everything, man. It used to be a rock and roll club. It was, at one point in time, it was a pool hall.

• 3:00:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:00:59Joe Rogan?

  It's been a bunch of different things.

• 3:01:00Speaker 02

  Well, you own my college now.

• 3:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a dope spot, too. It's, it's a perfect place. And it's, we still have the original marquee because it's all the historical society. So it's a building from 1927.

• 3:01:12Speaker 02

  You got fried pickles in there because they?

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  We don't sell food. No, no food.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  No food.

• 3:01:16Joe Rogan?

  No, we're comedy club. This food next door is a pizza joint on one side, there's a Mexican joint on the other side. Just plenty of food. You don't want to be eating while you're laughing. We, we have one thing. We sell jokes.

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  Nice, nice.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Jokes and drinks. That's it.

• 3:01:29Speaker 02

  I gotta, I gotta pop in and, uh, and, uh, who, who's your, um, who's your, who's your, who's your next guest or?

• 3:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we always, I mean, I do shows there every Tuesday and Wednesday. And every weekend, we have national headliners that are there. I don't even know who's there this weekend. Who's there this weekend, Johnny? Um, but it's, um, you know, it's set up with two rooms, just like the Alamo was. There was two theaters there, so we have two rooms. We have a small room that seats like 110 people.

• 3:01:56Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 3:01:56Joe Rogan?

  And then the big room, it's like 250 people.

• 3:01:58Speaker 02

  Nice, nice.

• 3:01:58Joe Rogan?

  And it's set up perfect. We had it all, like, the ceiling's lowered and everything tightened up and.

• 3:02:04Speaker 02

  The mothership, comedy mothership.

• 3:02:06Speaker 04

  Rich Voss.

• 3:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Rich Voss! My boy. My boy, Rich. He's awesome. Uh, the RZA, I'm glad we did it this time without Donnell. Sorry, Donnell. I love you to death, but it was better without you.

• 3:02:19Speaker 02

  Better without you.

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Indian gave you.

• 3:02:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I got something coming to you, kid.

• 3:02:27Joe Rogan?

  A spoonful of chocolate out everywhere.

• 3:02:31Speaker 02

  Everywhere, May 1st.

• 3:02:32Joe Rogan?

  May 1st. All movie theaters, see it in the movie theater first. That's definitely where you want to see it. You want to have that experience with a bunch of other people. And thank you, brother. It was always good to see you. And Wu-Tang forever.

• 3:02:43Speaker 02

  Wu-Tang forever. Lock and Roll Hall of Fame, bong, bong, here we come.

• 3:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Here we go. All right. Bye, everybody.

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