#644 - Bryan Johnson

Bryan Johnson is an entrepreneur and longevity expert known for extensively researching his own body in an attempt to live forever. Bryan joins Theo to talk about how the stress of his old life in the tech world sparked his longevity experiment, the data he’s seen on the best and worst foods for us, and why he sees a connection between AI and a higher power. Bryan Johnson: https://www.instagram.com/bryanjohnson_/ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/theo to sign up Acorns: Go to http://acorns.com/theo to get your $20 bonus investment. Better Help: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to http://betterhelp.com/theo for 10% off your first month. Morgan and Morgan: Visit https://forthepeople.com/THEO to see if you might have a case. Morgan and Morgan. America's Largest Injury Law Firm. Sonic: Go out and try the SONIC $6 Meal All-American Smasher today. A juicy, delicious burger paired with tots or fries and a drink for a deal that speaks for itself! https://www.sonicdrivein.com/deals/ ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Theo Von?

  Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate. He's basically his own guinea pig. You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way. He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter. The coffin. Yep, he wants to live forever and we're going to learn about it. I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think he's got to be in bed at like 4pm. I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson.

• 1:20Theo Von?

  Yeah, this lemon water dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25Theo Von?

  And I do a lot of fasting. And so that's been something that on a fast, I will have this.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32Theo Von?

  A certain amount.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's, that's solid.

• 1:35Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Do you chew on those?

• 1:37Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you've done that?

• 1:39Theo Von?

  Nuh-uh.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  It's, it's good. I mean, it's.

• 1:41Theo Von?

  Is that a thing chewing on ginger chunks?

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43Theo Von?

  Wow. Never even thought of that. What, do you know exactly what it does? You just feel the vibes of it?

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very strong vibe. So, yeah. Yeah, it's a nice reward at the end. Like lemon gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.

• 1:54Theo Von?

  Hmm, yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  You feel better after doing it though?

• 1:58Theo Von?

  I just feel like I'm on, on, I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Isn't that so much of life is like that? If you like, kind of does it matter if it works? But like, it's like a thing, it's structured, planned, kind of does the thing?

• 2:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it starts to give me a little bit like of integrity with myself, you know? And it becomes kind of a pattern. That's been one of the toughest things I think for me. And I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know?

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:22Theo Von?

  I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.

• 2:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or someone, I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know?

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:37Theo Von?

  But it has been tough. I go in spurts where sometimes it's it's better than others. But honoring like commitments to myself, having that in, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm gonna be here for myself every day.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50Theo Von?

  That's been a challenge for me. It's it's gotten better over time. But um, it's been a tough, that's been probably, yeah, one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for most, for a lot of folks.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the disconnect between like what you want to do and then what you actually do.

• 3:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Which is like the the human condition, like what our existence is defined by. And like, how how big is that divide? Probably determines if you're happy or not in life.

• 3:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Where are you at now in life? Like, I mean, you've you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now?

• 3:29Theo Von?

  I think like with work, work and things like that have been good. You know, that stuff has been good. I think, um, you know, on the on the wellness side of like, uh, probably emotional wellness, um, you know, I've suffered with like, or I've I've dealt with like a lot of like, uh, connectivity disorders, like relationship stuff, commitment, um, you know, like, uh, probably wishing I was making making better choices with my like dating and social life at times. And, um, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's there. Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit,

• 4:11Theo Von?

  you know? So that's probably been one of the tougher things is probably been my emotional addictive behavior.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life.

• 4:26Theo Von?

  Really?

• 4:26Speaker 02

  We've been together for a couple of years now. And man, it is like, I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything.

• 4:35Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  You know, like, relationships are so tough, and especially when they tip to acrimony.

• 4:41Theo Von?

  What does acrimony mean?

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Just like when it's a, when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to, to resolve conflict. When there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled. There's just nothing worse. And I mean, that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like, what I have now is just so good.

• 5:10Theo Von?

  Let's go.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So I, I feel you. And without it, it, um, I mean, it's tough to be alone. You know, it's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to like, repeat that again and again.

• 5:25Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. I think that is, that's, that's definitely true. And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things. Okay. Well, I'll just go on a date here. I'll just, you know, have this part of my, um, relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not, uh, that's not the healthiest way to operate either. Um, but congratulations. Yeah. They just showed your lady right there.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's Kate Tolo.

• 5:49Theo Von?

  Oh, beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys were smiling in that picture.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Oh, man, we, we have so much fun together. I mean, we, it's like, I get teary just even talking about it. We laugh and play. It's just so good.

• 6:03Theo Von?

  Yes. She really does something for you, huh?

• 6:05Speaker 02

  She does, man. Like, you know, like I was, um, I wrote this up online. I was thinking, I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackleton. And he was just a-

• 6:13Theo Von?

  The explorer?

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. So he did the, the trans Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pole, uh, you know, shore to shore for the first time.

• 6:21Theo Von?

  So from top to bottom?

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Uh, just down to the, the South Pole, from like one side to the other, the other side.

• 6:27Theo Von?

  Okay. Just at the South Pole.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they got, they got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and, and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, uh, early winter. And then the entire book is about this insane survival story, like what they went through and not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is like, it's too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my life? Where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up being bad. And then having something that is good, it felt like, I'm sure what Shackleton and his

• 7:12Speaker 02

  crew felt like, putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of time, maybe a year, but just like, stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today? What do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk? Like, just all the emotional whiplash you get and like, challenging certain things. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's nice when someone else is there, like, kind of be like a...

• 7:40Theo Von?

  Oh, get a hug.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100%.

• 7:43Theo Von?

  Oh. Dude, I got a hug the other day. I was, I saw my friend in, um, in LA and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me like a, she gave me a nice hug and then I was like, I'm gonna stay in this hug.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. You could just, yep.

• 7:56Theo Von?

  Like charging my phone.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:58Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?

• 8:01Theo Von?

  She, you know what? She surprised me because, but yeah, she got, she got a good hug on her, that's for sure.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, some people are just like gifted huggers. They, right? They just know how to like, bring it in and like, somehow the arm from the chest and like, the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.

• 8:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, like even like, a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before, like a grandmother will hug you so well.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:21Theo Von?

  Sometimes, yeah. I've like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that, I'll do the one-arm hug. I hug a lot, though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard, people like...

• 8:30Speaker 02

  What's going on, man?

• 8:31Theo Von?

  Yeah. I don't just have to hug this person.

• 8:35Theo Von?

  But, open up a hug bank. You know what they should do?

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:38Theo Von?

  Those places where they had payphones before, they should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug, you know?

• 8:44Speaker 02

  It's like one of the most underappreciated things.

• 8:46Theo Von?

  Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got, well, I think we're ready for it.

• 8:52Theo Von?

  Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 8:54Theo Von?

  Nice to meet you, bro.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's good to see you.

• 8:56Theo Von?

  It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  You know, I get that so much. I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, "Are you AI?" You know, like, like really believing that's the case. So I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas. So I think people are just confused by me generally. So I understand that.

• 9:22Theo Von?

  Like, yeah, that was my thought, but you seemed way more normal than that, like, just like a regular dude who's been like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood, you know, like, you know, you seemed just more like a chill-ass kind of Dracula type of vibe.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  What was your, what did you expect?

• 9:39Theo Von?

  I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest, to have like more of a sense of, and this is just a wild generalization, and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:51Theo Von?

  And I, yeah, I didn't get that at all. I just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.

• 10:05Theo Von?

  That's what I was saying there. When it starts to bubble up, dude.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 10:08Theo Von?

  When your keeper, whoever's operating you on the app.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  That's right, yeah.

• 10:12Theo Von?

  Turns up the temp.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  And the mask slowly starts slipping. It's like...

• 10:16Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, like your database is showing, dude, or something.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 10:20Theo Von?

  So just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many clips of you out there. You've kind of, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of. Because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems. You know, you're life-maxing. That's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is? Or what your motive has been?

• 10:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'd say...

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Here's an example for you. In 1870, the big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why-

• 10:56Theo Von?

  Ideas?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. The reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, "That's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about?" The other half was like, "Honestly, that could be legit." Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. It turned out, it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection. So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery, or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and increase your risk of dying. And so, that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy. And eventually, it turned out to be true. And now, today, we're like, "Oh, of course."

• 11:36Theo Von?

  That happens every year.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Every year. Exactly. And so, the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now, that sounds batshit crazy.

• 11:52Theo Von?

  Whereas in, we can live forever.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Not even forever, right? Because it's not a concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example, like 150, 200, 500, 1,000, like some number we don't even know that breaks our brains. So it's just not like a 70-year expectancy, right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer, we can't quite see the end horizon. So, that's what I'm suggesting is, we are at that point with technology. We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now, if that's the case, everything changes. And so, that's what I've

• 12:35Speaker 02

  been trying to do, is to say, if that is the case, how does a human behave? What do they do? And so, that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial, is because you take status quo, and it's like, if we're all gonna die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right? Do all the stuff people do today.

• 12:51Theo Von?

  Right. Drink PBR or whatever, floor it, you know, send it.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 12:56Theo Von?

  Yeah. Knock up some woman or man. Now, I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:02Theo Von?

  But I see what you're saying. So like, if you, if you, say, if you got to the finish line and they're like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore. You're like, oh, if I'd have known that, I would have ran the race.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Exactly right.

• 13:10Theo Von?

  So differently.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Exactly. Or back in nineteen.

• 13:12Theo Von?

  I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line. Decrepit or like with, you know, just like aftermarket pieces and stuff.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:21Theo Von?

  And, um, and I would have done it differently.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  That's right. So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO. And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so for example, in the world I came from entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself ragged. You try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp.

• 13:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Right. And then you end up and you're like fat, you're like forty years older than when you started.

• 13:53Theo Von?

  Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp or you don't have one.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money. Cause there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off. I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now, we all have like practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that. But I'm trying to basically say we're, we're a society that has built a society of die. And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human. So that's like the gist of it.

• 14:31Theo Von?

  But is it, do you think it gets easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like a, you know, you have a place where you're like, okay. You know, I know that I'm going to be okay. Like it's like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having? Cause then you had a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a, a great deal of money and congratulations.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 14:49Theo Von?

  And, and yeah, and that's, um, that's the American dream, you know? But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before? Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good. And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah. Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, there's, there's two parts to this. One is I'm saying that.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They, they use science to make food that addicts you to their food, right? They're building addiction.

• 15:24Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically as a society, we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit. And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies, stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their life from them. And then two is, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's, I, that's, it's easy for me to say this, once I've been on the other side. So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey, this, this is fucked up.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Uh, number two is, I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like, if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook, right? Like, the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong.

• 16:23Theo Von?

  Ah, I got it.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Right? So like, if you're gonna work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not gonna be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash, right? Not sleeping well and not working out, like, it makes your system, like, for an engineer, it means like, nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. So like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. And so, those are the two things, but I want to be very clear, like, I'm not blaming people. We just live in a-

• 16:52Theo Von?

  I don't think it sounds like that.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  We live in a fucked up society.

• 16:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like, like, the system you're playing in is not a good one.

• 17:00Theo Von?

  And it's heavily stacked against people.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:02Theo Von?

  Especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction based, like, oh, well, they know, there's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like, the moment of what you're looking at on your phone.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:14Theo Von?

  That, it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like, it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:25Theo Von?

  And now the apex predators are, they're, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our hands. And it, it really is, it's, it's still a- It's a battle and that is a battle. It's like if you want to take it on and then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, ah, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on. And that's kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:47Theo Von?

  At least makes it that all the cards are on the table.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, I, I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did. Yeah.

• 17:55Theo Von?

  Take me through some of that. What was that like?

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. So at first, I, I love social media. I think it's so much fun.

• 18:03Theo Von?

  Like we have great stuff on X. It's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information too. Um, oh, here's the post right. I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast. I've come to believe that social media is pollution.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love about watching that is you can say anything, right? Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged. Like literally there's like no, maybe you've got material where you're like, probably shouldn't include that one, but like I couldn't detect it.

• 18:37Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I like just saying shit. And so that's what you're supposed to be able to do.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Exactly. So like what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right? There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my, my goal is to entertain you. And I have all this open space, but then when people don't have that, when you, when you don't have comedy as the outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box. They feel like they can only say certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe, right? Like for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room. Like I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the, the plasma transfers, like we, we basically have done enough things. I did, I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.

• 19:22Theo Von?

  Yep. That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now because he's going into other realms.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:27Theo Von?

  Um, and before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast? Or do you think it was long enough to, to notice anything?

• 19:34Speaker 02

  It was honestly, um, it was kind of life changing. It was, I did one fast that was 40 hours long and then I did a second fast that was 70 hours long. And the science behind this is when you're. You're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation, right? Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm. And then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get, you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore. And then you get to feel it for what it is. So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal, or like I've had, I'm

• 20:15Speaker 02

  in a secondhand, room of secondhand smoke, or like, it just feels so bad. And I guess that I, I pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body, like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built. And now when I go on to social media, it like literally feels like death. And so it's complicated though, because I love social media. I love to post, I love to play, I love to interact. But also, when I get on, it's like, I'm like, no, this is not good. So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.

• 20:53Theo Von?

  Yeah, there's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before, and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, you feel it, right?

• 21:01Theo Von?

  Yes, it's like, oh, that's not real. That's not, that's the most unnatural thing. Like, what is that? It all, yeah, it's, it feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done ayahuasca, been on ayahuasca, and you're coming in and I see my phone, or I'll get home and turn on the TV, I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me. That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, isn't that so interesting? Like, in those moments when you feel sober, it's like, you do, you can viscerally feel it.

• 21:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't, you lose that sensitivity, and you feel normal again. But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been, so I posted this on social, I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice, or like a, you know, a bad habit. But I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics, or lead in the pipes, or asbestos in the wall, or like, you know, lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution. It accumulates in the body, it creates low grade, low grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this, so many people are like, I feel this, but they. The problem is you can't like telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone

• 22:08Speaker 02

  to not breathe coal smoke in London in the 19th century.

• 22:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Like you can't do it. Or like, you know, if there's, if there's, if there's water pollution, like the solution for water pollution in London in the 19th century was not to say, don't drink water. It was like to filter the water.

• 22:22Theo Von?

  Right.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  So I think the solution here is like, I propose this, that if, if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, that me and the, and the social feed, extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the, the garbage, all the slop, and they give me the goodness. But I want someone to like, it'd be cool if someone could build social media into a longevity therapy versus like, hey, actually have this cigarette.

• 22:47Theo Von?

  Oh, I see what you're saying, like make it a long, slow fire that has like, um, all a mix of things.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Like help me when I engage with it, I want to feel good. I want to feel like I've drank like, you know, lemon water and ginger.

• 23:01Theo Von?

  Right. As opposed to like having a couple of cokes.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Slamming a bunch of energy drinks and.

• 23:06Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Like this is the thing, but there's like, right? People pound like two to three to four a day, like between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine and they like on top of modafinil or something, you know? So it's like.

• 23:23Theo Von?

  And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like, what are you?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:27Theo Von?

  Dude, your grades are bad.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's not even a performance. Yeah. What are you doing?

• 23:31Theo Von?

  What are you even doing over there, dude? Yeah. You just cause you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever. I gotta get you another Celsius or something. Um, uh, oh, it says, hey, hey, social media users visibly decline one to two points in attractiveness. I seven. Oh yeah. I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does.

• 23:49Theo Von?

  This is the post. Really?

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. It, it, this is good science because like. When you engage heavily in social media, you're basically you're lower, you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So yeah, so heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attracting the scale. Like you may go from a seven to a five. So yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.

• 24:18Theo Von?

  Yeah. And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're an eight.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  And you're nice, you're like 8.5. And you give a good hug, you're like nine.

• 24:27Theo Von?

  Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord. And if your parents, if they were tens. Wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this now. I'll say to people, hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second. Right? So it's almost like I'm letting you, it's almost like, yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette. It's like the same sort of thing. And then now it's gotten to me, sometimes I'm just so sick of watching socials. It's just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't help, this isn't doing anything anymore. That started the thing too, is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. And then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it kind of queuing up what is next,

• 25:12Theo Von?

  it doesn't leave it as much of a whimsicalness about it.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 25:18Theo Von?

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• 26:01Theo Von?

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• 26:44Theo Von?

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• 27:29Theo Von?

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• 28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:15Theo Von?

  An EEG study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever's making the algorithms like, because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff. And then they might consider self harm, right? Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others. And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything. So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm? Like if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous. You know, there should be, you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like. I know there's just now a court case. Or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, in LA.

• 28:55Theo Von?

  Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury. Zuckerberg said, the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable. If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time, short term. But if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time. I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe, because when people talk about social media, typically the blame is on the person. The person spends too much time on social media, right? They need to be more disciplined. They need to set limits. And when you reframe this, you say, actually, social media is a pollutant. It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead. Or like, when you reframe it that way, it's what you said, is this is a pollutant driving society that is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications. When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe,

• 30:14Speaker 02

  to want to be part of a friend group, and then put them in a system like the. It's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So it's like you, you can't, the solution is not to tell people to get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous right now.

• 30:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think it's a great way to say it. Yeah, that it's a pollutant, right? And people say, well, just get off your phone. But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing, like, you know, those smoke stacks that they never, that they never had any governors on, and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air. Those were held liable, so it makes sense that these would be too. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families in school districts suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications,

• 31:14Theo Von?

  and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Some of the key moments Zuckerberg denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term. Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore, you know?

• 31:50Speaker 02

  You know what it feels like is in physics, there's this idea like a phase transition. So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's 101, it's a vapor. So just a very small change, it's not gradual, just snaps, that's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition, where there's like all this built up. All these put up problems that are over like about to go from 99 C to 101 C. And it just snaps and society is like, we can't.

• 32:23Theo Von?

  Right.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  We can't do anymore. Like it's too much. Like we're all fucking broken from this thing.

• 32:28Theo Von?

  Right.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  It's gotta stop. And like, I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually. It just suddenly overnight.

• 32:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  So I would love that if like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.

• 32:41Theo Von?

  Right. Like with UG boots. Like when people were like, oh, these are great. And Tom Brady was wearing them. Then one day people were like.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Done.

• 32:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:47Theo Von?

  The shits we hear. Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  People will be so relieved to not feel like, cause right now.

• 32:52Theo Von?

  Oh dude, if they came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday. I think the entire world would exhale.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Oh, a hundred percent. That, and it's also true like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day.

• 33:09Theo Von?

  Get up and fucking grind, Ron.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  It's like in this expectation.

• 33:12Theo Von?

  Take your eyes open.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  I know.

• 33:14Theo Von?

  Keep looking at invoices.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like, we're losing our shit. And like, it's, it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations. And if it would be, it would be amazing. I love that. Like the phones don't work. It's like, goddamn, let's, let's go celebrate.

• 33:29Theo Von?

  I think, and I think people would. They don't even work. Good. Fuck them. I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the capital. Dude, storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us from what this, it's digital chains.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:46Theo Von?

  Where we're locked, you know?

• 33:48Speaker 02

  You know, when it's people, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death. Because we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. So it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone. Cause you, your body's like, am I dead to the tribe?

• 34:15Theo Von?

  Right. Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel like that.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:17Theo Von?

  If I take a couple of months off, will people know? Do I exist? What's even going on?

• 34:21Speaker 02

  So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey guys, I exist. Remember me? Like, look at me over here. Like, remember? I'm part of the tribe. So it's just, it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean, like it is fun. Like there's value to it. There's good information. Like there's, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it. But the way it's structured now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.

• 34:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro. Sitting there at home, wondering if a chick thought about you or not. Bro, and here's the thing. Now you can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude. You see that she's already married or whatever. But back in the day, you couldn't do that. So you just had to, and you thought that she did. So you were like hopeful and excited and you would just, you would take care of yourself till the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever. So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even gonna get out of bed. You know, I think um, just those things. And then the also like the negative effects of just like, if you communicate with all types of people all day,

• 35:26Theo Von?

  then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know? You're burnt out because you've had all this odd connection. It's not real connection. But it's it's a some artificial connection. It's like if you've been eating Fritos all day. And then you get to dinner, you're like, oh.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:46Theo Von?

  This looks so good, but I'll I'm just, I can't even have any right now. I'm already full of shit.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  So we with this project, we have been.

• 35:54Theo Von?

  So basically. What project?

• 35:56Speaker 02

  My project, Don't Die.

• 35:57Theo Von?

  Oh, your project, Don't Die?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, so like basically like the idea is if we are the first generation who won't die, then the goal is like identify things that make you die. And then don't do those things, right? Try to eliminate them. So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what it is, but I just feel like shit.

• 36:14Theo Von?

  Right.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Then it's so it's basically it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this? That when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you have the smell that you you right when you walk in. That is like secondhand smoke. It's the aerosol aerosolized oils.

• 36:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  So like.

• 36:35Theo Von?

  That's Ronald McDonald's cologne, baby.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  It is cologne. You know what? That's creepy as fuck. Wow.

• 36:42Theo Von?

  Because you got that play place in the back.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, that is that is this dope. Holy shit, I didn't think about that.

• 36:48Theo Von?

  It is, huh?

• 36:49Speaker 02

  So like, that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so and when you go about your day.

• 36:58Theo Von?

  With this project, Don't Die.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 36:59Theo Von?

  So you guys track 250 things that make you die.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, so basically when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation who won't die? Okay, let's take that as a premise. So then I hired a team of doctors. And we got to work. And so we, we went through all the scientific evidence. We said like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ in my body that I could. Like, we would go through and say, what is the age? So I, I was 42 years old when we started. So I said, like, what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.

• 37:33Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  So for example, like my ear, my left ear is aged 64. So I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music. So it's impaired. So we measured all of my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement. And so I became those measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any humans ever lived.

• 37:53Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  And so in doing that, we just found out like, what kills the body? You know, like, do microplastics harm the body? If so, how? You know, do, just going into fast food, like aerosolized, is that, like, social media? And so when you, it really resonates when you say you go home, like, you don't know why you feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit. And then it's just like, you're the collateral damage. But it's like, we've built a society of die. And that's what sucks about it. So I'm, I never want to approach it to say like, hey, you individual, like, you get off your phone, or you stop doing these things. It's like, the system's broken.

• 38:37Theo Von?

  Right.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  And that's what's cool about this moment is, if we do see this moment is like, this is like, 1870, bacteria is present. Do we believe this crazy idea or not? Like, this could be like, it would change everything. So like, we transform ourselves as a society.

• 38:51Theo Von?

  Hmm. I love that idea because, yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a, um, this, uh, universal type of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me? Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me? They, it's obvious now from so many trials and, um, and corporate interests that they weren't, you know, there's all these, there's, there's all these things that, that, that none of that was happening. And so now it's back on us. And what do we really want, right?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:26Theo Von?

  Because we put the faith, I think a lot of people have put the faith in the hands of their government and, um, Not entirely, but you would just assume that, yeah, the food they're letting come into us, into our lives, where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this, that it's gonna be okay for us.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:43Theo Von?

  And then I think it's at the point now where people, that, that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go from here? Are those powers going to try to like imprison us into this space? Which also feels like it's gonna, they're trying to.

• 39:57Theo Von?

  Because you have like companies like Bear and Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like, trying to keep all these things in our food and, and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick. Or is it gonna be that there's some sort of a, of a revolution?

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 40:11Theo Von?

  So I saw you just, you just asked Trevin to pour your coffee into, and that was out of a paper cup into?

• 40:18Speaker 02

  A, yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Stainless steel? Stainless steel, yeah.

• 40:21Theo Von?

  Okay. What is the cause of that? Cause that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of, what's?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  So there's a lot of, there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.

• 40:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  You know, like they're everywhere, there are clothes, there are food, like, so. We did this project where we said, okay, can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. Uh, one is we measured microplastics in my blood, and we measured microplastics in my semen.

• 40:46Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  And so two distinct biological systems. And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important and we wanted to like, cause there was a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males.

• 41:01Theo Von?

  Of tested men?

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Men have microplastics in their balls.

• 41:04Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  And their semen.

• 41:06Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood, and on my semen? And so we did a few things, like one is

• 41:20Speaker 02

  cups they use for, you know, hot coffee, they leach microplastics, the heat causes the leaching of microplastics. So when you're drinking that coffee, you're, you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that, plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87%

• 41:36Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  in both blood and semen.

• 41:38Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever That that you can look at both those things and look at the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did, like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove plastic from the house, then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of this, the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like microplastic is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So if we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things, but yeah, that's

• 42:21Speaker 02

  why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leach microplastics, whereas staying in the still, you don't have that leaching problem.

• 42:29Theo Von?

  Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that. Is that stuff true? Or is that just a, a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, if your air fryer, I was looking into air fryer recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic. And so you're, you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have off gassing of microplastics. So I know this is the thing is like, once you start, once you realize the plastic is a target, you realize, you come to learn it's in everything, not like everywhere you look. So even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like, here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  So there I am, trying to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body.

• 43:30Theo Von?

  All right. With the polyester, right?

• 43:32Speaker 02

  Like wiping my body with toxins. So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake, but like an example, like we're always, we're just finding this forever. So I got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel, it wasn't, but we got rid of that, but it's just forever. It's, it's amazing how omnipresent they are.

• 43:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, I've actually been working with this company, American Giant, that they make, They've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America like that's, I mean, just a top to bottom, America only company that makes textiles or clothing. Because they don't really even have those anymore.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:06Theo Von?

  I remember their journey was, how do we even get a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible, just because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be, just so it's only cotton, right? So you're not dealing with anything else.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 44:23Theo Von?

  What fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body that do not have microplastics in them? And which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is, we were, we've, everything I put into my body, we test, like all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing, and actually, we tested a diaper, a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, we tested that, and it was like eight times as high in glyphosate. So how, so, so cotton unexpectedly.

• 44:58Theo Von?

  That's what's in the pesticides.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Exactly. So, so cotton is, is better than like a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just pure, right? So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton. Like, how fast it come out, we don't know. But this is like, I, this is like dangerous, because I think a lot of people listening are kind of like, oh, my God, I give up. Like, what do I do?

• 45:20Theo Von?

  Right.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  But I, I want to give you hope, like, you, you just slowly peel back one layer after another, after another, like chip away. It's okay, we'll get after, we'll get on top of this. But just like, you just know that there's always these layers. So, yeah, so we tested that, and so that's in the diaper. Now, there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it, so maybe it is. But if it is, that's terrible. We're bathing our children, you're bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers. And so, like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these, these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  And so, back to this conversation, you, the point you made before, of like this idea of care, like, think of, okay, here's a question for you. Who in your life? Unquestionably acts in your best interest. Like without doubt, without a doubt, they act in your best interest.

• 46:22Theo Von?

  Probably my brother.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Like you could probably count on one hand, right?

• 46:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group, or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be like, it's not good, but the whole bunch of other, the wrapper behind it may be like, they want something from you. And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around this is, can we legitimately unquestionably always act in our customers' best interest? Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process. But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.

• 47:15Theo Von?

  Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way. And I don't know if that's true or not. But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important. We did this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies that were like American-made products. And, uh, and then show those off, like highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe.

• 47:38Theo Von?

  And it was just so you, if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it. You know, this is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So it's like, screw these big company. Like if I buy from you and you buy from me, then we keep each other alive. We're, it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, um, this space where you can do that, where it's like, uh, if I want to buy something, I'd rather instead of going to look at like these things that are on the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing? That's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know?

• 48:12Speaker 02

  That's a cool idea.

• 48:13Theo Von?

  It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world. And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know, some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know, people are going to need these sites to build their products.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:26Theo Von?

  Because then it's like, like, we even had, um, a woman who sells like these really like great little characters and, and, and kind of ornaments and stuff. So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And, um, and a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this, right? People want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves and they want to be in a way where they can,

• 48:50Theo Von?

  where they, the purchase, where they're putting their money.

• 48:54Theo Von?

  It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do. You know, they're just a regular person. They're not a big entity, you know?

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:02Theo Von?

  So I think, anyway, I'm saying, I think there's somewhat of a, people do care. Or we, to get people to care where they're spending.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:10Theo Von?

  You know, um, that's kind of stuff is very important. What, what are your thoughts on RFK Jr.'s, his Eat Real Food Initiative? Have you seen that?

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have, yeah. Tyson being the spokesperson.

• 49:20Theo Von?

  What's that?

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mike Tyson was, was the spokesperson. He was, he was in the Super Bowl ad.

• 49:24Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't even see that.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:26Theo Von?

  Because he came on here and he talked about it. He just said, eat real food, you know?

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, I think, uh, so RFK's a friend.

• 49:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, same.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he like, he's getting after it, you know, like people, like in any situation, um, people are going to have various opinions, fine. But like, he's really trying his best.

• 49:43Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I respect that he's pulling up and, you know, he's made some great, uh, he has some great wins. Getting rid of, uh, food dies and so, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm grateful for him doing it. And it was cool, you know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure. When I was, when I was seven years old, he had peaked, I think he was 21, he just won the belt. And he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated like every week. Again, that's right. I would cut those out and I had it on my wall, but Mike Tyson was my idol. Like, and the, I, actually, this is like a terrible story. Um, I loved him so much. And I saved up all, I worked all summer long, mowing lawns and like doing all this whole bunch of shit.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  I save up money and I bought the pay-per-view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over. I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience and he was fighting Buster Douglas. His first big loss.

• 50:41Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  And oh my God, that was, I, that was like soul wrenching. Cause I wanted to see Tyson, like, you know, knock out of the park. I'd never seen him fight live. And you couldn't just like pull him up on clips on YouTube, YouTube's like, it's, you know, harder to see. But anyways, somebody like tangent there, but it's cool to see Tyson go from that to now. He's like in my world, talking about real food and how it's important. So I think he's got, he's had a cool life arc.

• 51:05Theo Von?

  He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon. Actually, um, in LA, actually. So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Would love to. I would love to meet him.

• 51:17Theo Von?

  That'd be super dude. Yeah. Oh yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were such, uh, like, I don't know. Like they were such gods.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  They, they held that status, right?

• 51:30Theo Von?

  They did.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  In the eighties, they were it. Like you had like basketball, you had the Bulls, you've got the Bears. Uh, you know, Bo Jackson, uh, like they were it.

• 51:41Theo Von?

  Yeah. A hundred percent. Um, what do you think the government's role should be in our, uh, health and diet?

• 51:48Speaker 02

  So I guess like two things. One is there, there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke. I can eat fast food. I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug. The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that. So like in many ways I, I dislike, uh, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't have the, I don't have the right to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more experimental, experimental, experimental power that I could do that.

• 52:25Theo Von?

  Have there been certain drugs that you wanted to go try or?

• 52:27Speaker 02

  A lot of them.

• 52:28Theo Von?

  Really?

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 52:29Theo Von?

  Which one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of, uh, there's like probably a dozen.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  And like the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I mess up, it's on me.

• 52:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Like, I'll take that responsibility, but I do, I don't want them to say like only after, because it creates this gigantic, it makes sense. Companies go through like a structured process and they say it's gone through this process. We give it a stamp of approval. It's like, it's a good idea, like on large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society.

• 53:09Theo Von?

  Totally get it.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Also, right, on like N equals one, like me, scale, I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there, there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society, I can say, I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right? Like, there needs to be some.

• 53:36Theo Von?

  Right, some middleman.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, that's the idea.

• 53:38Theo Von?

  But now the middleman, it feels like can't be trusted.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's like, what, if we just like, take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care, right? Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest or not? And this is why I'm saying, when you go back to like, who legitimately is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand, it's your brother.

• 53:57Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  And so what if we established as a society, the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've got to do things like, don't look good. So like, it really puts a different mentality, but also, man, would it be kick ass to live in that society.

• 54:13Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Where like, you know, if you're gonna tell me to take a drug, like, you're not hiding shit. Like, you're not like, you know, that'd be cool. So.

• 54:20Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. It'd be so nice. Because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:25Theo Von?

  You know, it's so stressful now. It's like, you go eat a hot cake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing gonna kill me? Not today.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:31Theo Von?

  But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now?

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:36Theo Von?

  You know, to create some new disease in me, that then I'll need some new type of medicine, you know, it's just kind of. Yeah, it's a lot of turmoil. What is your kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet?

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:50Theo Von?

  And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Cool. Yeah, the principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion cells. Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells. They're not even me, they're just bacteria. So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.

• 55:06Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells. That makes the Avon.

• 55:12Theo Von?

  Okay. And half of those cells are not?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  They're not you.

• 55:15Theo Von?

  They're not natural born citizens?

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're immigrants. Yeah, so like they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem. And so the question is, like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you see like what happens? And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules put in your body, it does bad stuff. And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a fight for its life. And so that's the first principle. And then two is, I don't subscribe to any camp.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Like I'm not carnivore, I'm not vegan, I'm not vegetarian, I'm not paleo, I'm not keto, I don't care. I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put it in the body, what happens? And so I, my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm just, I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die person in the world. So, but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat. You know, like do your thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body, like measure your body and see if you're happy or not. If the body is, so there's what your mind can say like, oh, I love blank, but measuring your body is a different thing. Your body's going to tell, is going to speak the truth, not your mind.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  So basically like you want to measure out, your body report out, how's inflammation? How's cholesterol? Like how's all the different markers?

• 56:50Theo Von?

  And when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just, you don't like them? Or you feel like they don't work for your body? Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?

• 57:00Speaker 02

  So it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points. One is, I think you can make an evidence-based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that, a lot of, ton of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer now. But I, I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat.

• 57:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Like, I'm not going to go after red meat. Like, I'm not that person. So just like do your-

• 57:48Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:50Theo Von?

  While you have some burn ins or whatever.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body. So I tried to do that and I tried to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out, here you go. But like, a lot of, so like, a couple of things. One is, I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.

• 58:12Theo Von?

  Is that a seed oil or not?

• 58:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:14Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's like this whole, um, seed oils are bad for you. I don't, I don't buy it.

• 58:19Theo Von?

  You don't?

• 58:20Speaker 02

  No, I think it's fried. It's, it's high temp seed oils.

• 58:24Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  But, you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine. So like that whole thing, I think, got away.

• 58:30Theo Von?

  Oh, so you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's, you don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're fine. But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, abstain or take it, just measure yourself and try to find the markers.

• 58:48Theo Von?

  Right, check in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw, look at your markers and say, is the body happy or sad?

• 59:03Theo Von?

  Right. Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time?

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Over time. Cause like, yeah, cause those like, your body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time.

• 59:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. But like, the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go.

• 59:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, this was just saying cooking oils, not all cooking oils are created equal. This chart breaks down the linoleic acid content in different oils, helping you make informed choices for heart health and inflammation control. High linoleic oils like soybeans, sunflower and corn oil can contribute to inflammation, while healthier options like coconut, olive and grass-fed butter offer beneficial fats. But you don't buy into this.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  I mean, so this is cooking. This is what does-

• 59:43Theo Von?

  Oh, this is actually using it for cooking?

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, what does well at higher heats.

• 59:46Theo Von?

  So this is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health benefit for you.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, but on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.

• 1:00:02Theo Von?

  Right. Right, and they'll show stuff like this, I mean, even in Trap Me, it just, you know, they use the red, yellow, green.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:00:09Theo Von?

  There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like-

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to see, I want to see what temperature, what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating, when do they form, like, you know, etc. So that is like a, that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, alright, now I feel like I have a good basis for decision-making versus like, this is easy to read online, you see red, green, yellow, it's like, okay, good, bad, because anything more than good, bad, it kind of, it gets overwhelming for people.

• 1:00:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, you say extra virgin olive oil, that's sort of your go-to.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, based upon the evidence I, my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet, it's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's, we source it ourselves, we test it in the lab ourselves, it's high polyphenol, has the right acids, right, right constitution, so it's a specific kind of olive oil, it's not, because most olive oil is bullshit, like, most of it does nothing and most of it, a lot of, yeah, so you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third-party lab test result. Now that's- That's a lot like.

• 1:01:17Theo Von?

  But is there a brand that you tell us? I mean, I know, or, or do you have this yourself that we could buy? Do you have your own?

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  I do it myself because like going back to that discussion of care and trust. After playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody.

• 1:01:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  No one like I don't care what they say in marketing. I don't care. I just don't trust anyone.

• 1:01:34Theo Von?

  That's how I am.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  So like, yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself. I want to test it in the third party lab. So I just basically, I did this my whole self and then my friends were like, I want this too. And I'm like, sure.

• 1:01:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, I was about to ask you for some, and this is, but this is one you guys have. It's called snake oil.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, we like, it's kind of a troll.

• 1:01:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Uh, but yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch. We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So olive oil and also like I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like a lot of people don't know that. They think like food is like a good thing, which it is. But also there's a, there's damage associated. So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens the oxidative damage. So that's olive oil is one. Uh, two is I eat a lot of legumes like lentils, edamames, beans. Um, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you, when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called AGEs.

• 1:02:35Theo Von?

  AGEs?

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Advanced glycated end products, which is basically just thinking about like junk that builds up in your, in your, in your body. You don't want it. Um, so I steam vegetables to lower the IG, AGEs. And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, um, walnuts.

• 1:02:55Theo Von?

  I like walnuts.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right. Those are like the, those are good ones. Like, uh, I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable ones.

• 1:03:02Theo Von?

  Drunkard's nuts.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  They are they?

• 1:03:05Theo Von?

  Like, oh, you're drunk here.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, then I do a lot of, um.

• 1:03:10Theo Von?

  And cashew does looks like it's fucking, it looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:17Theo Von?

  It looks kind of bisexual a little, which is fine.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Theo Von?

  But I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house. To me.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what? I think you're right.

• 1:03:31Theo Von?

  Ah, and I've never even thought about it till now, but I'm glad I'm even saying some of this.

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• 1:04:07Theo Von?

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• 1:05:31Theo Von?

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• 1:06:16Theo Von?

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• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had, I had a couple of thoughts. You know, like, Theo, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like, I have several thoughts I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't. You know, like, I still play within a certain box of like what I can and cannot say, but.

• 1:06:56Theo Von?

  And is it, do you think it's some of that's for like business purposes? Or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned?

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  I mean, it's like, there, as, as weird as I am, and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people. And so I do have some, some parameters. And so, but I, you know, if, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy.

• 1:07:21Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'd be like.

• 1:07:24Theo Von?

  Bro, that's cool.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Oh, man, it would, it would be, it would be so much fun. Cause you, basically, you're trying to put your finger on the thing.

• 1:07:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  And that's what I try to do in my life. But you're like, and so, and when people, their response, of course, is like, how good you are at putting your finger on the thing? They already know.

• 1:07:41Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  But you're willing to say it and you can string it together. So, yeah.

• 1:07:45Theo Von?

  Well, you're kind of doing that. You're kind of like, um, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know?

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Theo Von?

  And I'm, I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like, just, who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit, than have you out there like trying jokes, which you may have been very successful at as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are. Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also, some people might not even take you as seriously. You know, one night I watched John Mayer. He got up and did stand-up comedy.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Theo Von?

  And he's like, man, I love stand-up comedy. I would have loved to have been a stand-up comedian. He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Theo Von?

  Because it just, people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I would love to take on that challenge and man, I would love.

• 1:08:40Theo Von?

  You could have so many great jokes.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  I want to make fun of myself. Like, I'm so weird, right?

• 1:08:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, of course you are, dude. You probably, you probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude. You could go to a blood draw and they're just keep drawing and drawing that it's sitting there.

• 1:08:57Theo Von?

  Nurses are coming out like, we don't know, you know? I mean, oh dude, I bet if you, have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show?

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:04Theo Von?

  Oh, bro. If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go on there, you and me could go. He's this, have you ever seen it?

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:11Theo Von?

  It's this, it's like The Tonight Show now, but they do it out, done in Austin and it's, uh, and dude, I bet people would write some jokes for it, bro. It'd be so great.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 1:09:21Theo Von?

  That'd be so much fun.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  I would love to.

• 1:09:23Theo Von?

  This is it. It's so much fun, bro. Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  I went to a couple roast me, um, shows and it was, it was pretty good.

• 1:09:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. I really enjoy people making fun of me.

• 1:09:39Theo Von?

  It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does, I used to do a lot of those. I know he, he's one of the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it too, and that's his show Kill Tony. Okay. Were there other things you were going to tell us about? Some, so some other health stuff you said that your own? And you also have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products and I haven't taken it before. And it's a blueprint protein powder?

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Theo Von?

  Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it?

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, protein.

• 1:10:07Theo Von?

  Okay, it's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like, what makes this thing any different or is it any different?

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the, the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow.

• 1:10:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat. And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it? Who do I trust? No one. Okay, so I gotta manufacture this. So basically like we put together, I eat everything my company makes. Cause I trust it. I, I like, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant. I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations and I was like, damn, I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again. Once you see it, it's horrifying.

• 1:10:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best. Because a lot of times you're like, you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant. So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like the, the whole idea of like, so that's like competent things going on behind the scenes that like you can trust. Like no, no, like some breaks it. So yeah, it's like blueprint. I see exactly what happens. That's what I want to eat. So like protein, I basically need like a hundred and thirty grams a day. And so I have to get it from somewhere. So yeah, we same thing. If we source it, we third party test it. We look at all the, the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So yeah, so the protein is one of the things we built. And so.

• 1:11:34Theo Von?

  And what kind of protein powder do you recommend? I take a plant protein right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Theo Von?

  But um, what, is there a type of, cause you hear different ones and new ones pop out. And then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night. Like, what has your experience been like with protein powder?

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  We've been using pea and hemp. We started using pumpkin and.

• 1:11:57Theo Von?

  Oh, pumpkin got something was pumped.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So there's.

• 1:12:00Theo Von?

  It should be obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:12:03Theo Von?

  You look at a fucking pumpkin.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Fucking flexing in the, in the fields, right? You see it up there. Who's this, who's this defined? Yeah. So like we, yes, we did that, but you know, like.

• 1:12:12Theo Von?

  Pea doesn't mix very well though.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why. So that's why we do the hemp combo.

• 1:12:16Theo Von?

  Okay. Yeah. And it helps it?

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  It makes it fluffy and nice.

• 1:12:19Theo Von?

  Cause pea sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something and you can't even drink it because it's not the, the solution isn't liquid enough.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we do that, but people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in heavy metals. Right? Cause there's, you can test it. The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot. And test that for heavy metals, it's high in heavy metals. And so the only reason why it's been sensational around plant-based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food, you can easily measure, but it's harder to measure fresh food. People don't do the work. So like we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils and the test came back high. And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals? Like what's going on there?

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  So we got ahold of the company and we're like, what's, what's your manufacturing process? They said, actually, we use human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking

• 1:13:20Theo Von?

  Like duty or whatever?

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're taking, they're taking human shit because it's like a

• 1:13:24Theo Von?

  Who's selling it?

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it. So then recycles back into the, to the food. And so we've, this, this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we, we want to, we want to source our own food. We want to test it. I want to know what I put in my body. And so we just, I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded now.

• 1:13:46Theo Von?

  So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops and it was getting into the lentils.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  That's why, because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank? Right? Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals, like it has a lot of high levels of cadmium naturally. But then people test that, that like cure the brand rankings, but then glyphosate could also be present. And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by like 10x. They had an oat filler. So it was in the oats. And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance. It's just the conversation online is almost never right. Like when the, the things that dread, that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.

• 1:14:35Theo Von?

  And would you say that all, some of it almost is negligible then? Because at a certain point, just overall, we are in a very tough spot with, um, with what is in our foods, no matter what.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. Like that's what I'm saying. Like it is, I, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about those conversations. I want to like, make sure we close.

• 1:14:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  Want to give like a few tips where people can regain control of their life.

• 1:14:56Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Cause I don't want to terrify. I know it's terrifying.

• 1:14:58Theo Von?

  Well, one of the things that I even I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:05Theo Von?

  If you have an olive olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time. So, and those are the types of things that are are kind of important. It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me. How do I at least just mitigate what's going on?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:15:22Theo Von?

  While our science hopefully gets, um, you know, uncompromised.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:28Theo Von?

  While our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place. But you were saying, uh, there are some things you wanted to take away.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. Cool. So here's like, uh, in short, um, this, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered. And not anxious. So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things. So one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured, out of, I literally have like billions of data points in my body. Over the past five years, if you distill that and say, how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million, basically the largest data set in human history. The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed? It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what your wear, what your mark, so you go.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  You lay it on your bed, take a few deep breaths and you calm yourself down and then you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate. So you say you start off at 60 and a month from now be at 55. And so the way you do that, one is you have your final meal of the day, four hours before bed. Yeah, I know, I know. I hear you.

• 1:16:40Theo Von?

  And no snacks?

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  No, it's not. No food. So if your bedtime's at 10, at 6:00 PM, you're done. There you go. That's a great chart.

• 1:16:47Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  So these are the things. So when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep.

• 1:16:54Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff. So the next morning, when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not? If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant.

• 1:17:09Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system. You're like, you know what? No, it's not good for me and I'm going to exercise, which then also increases your willpower. So you get in this really positive loop. So all starts with sleep and sleep is determined by your heart rate. So for example, like so four hours for bed, that is going to lower. So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food. It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin. So your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed. You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  You need this separation because your body, the phone in hand is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation. You'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation. Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation, read a book, like anything but be on your phone, that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8:30. At 7:30 PM evening, or Sleep Brian comes on duty. And Sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep. And so all the Brian's line up. So Ambitious Brian lines up, he's always the first one.

• 1:18:32Theo Von?

  He wants to work.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  And he's like, I gotta fucking bang your idea, right? A brand new thing we're going to do. And Sleep Brian says, we see you, Ambitious Brian. Like you're doing a good job in life. Keep at it, man. Also, we're getting ready for bed. So we're going to write down your idea and then tomorrow we'll come back to it. And Ambitious Brian's like, are you sure? And Sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you. So then he walks away, then Anxious Brian shows up and he's like, yo, today when you were with Theo, you said that thing and you were a jackass to him, right? It's like, thank you, Anxious Brian. Great self-awareness. Appreciate you. We're going to write that down. We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow, make sure we're all good. And then like all the Brian's line up and so. You know this.

• 1:19:10Theo Von?

  And even Brian ever show up, he's like, hey, let's stay up.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  He all the time.

• 1:19:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Theo Von?

  Dude, this Brian is fricking, leave me alone, Brian.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you'll see this, like, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifests is if you don't do this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop, right? Like you have these thoughts that just like go, go and go into the same thoughts. And then you finally fall asleep, you wake up three hours later, there they are again, looping. And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower, which crashes everything else. So by doing this like internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation. So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got off your phone and you've got some kind of internal balance.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Now you're ready to think, I can put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a banger night's sleep. And so basically I've built my entire life around sleep. Now, if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit. Like this, like what we talked about before of like, whether you're happy or not in life is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do.

• 1:20:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like, don't worry about it yet. Just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place. Your sleep is going to make you feel great. And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits. But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.

• 1:20:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  So like get that in place. That's like the winner.

• 1:20:50Theo Von?

  Dude, it's like, there's nothing better than when you like, I'm going to sleep. Man, it always. What'd you say?

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  How's your sleep?

• 1:21:02Theo Von?

  My sleep's okay. It's not that great. A lot of times I stay up editing, but it's, but I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern. So it's like, I could get up earlier. It's just like, I have to line it up earlier. I could get up earlier, get, get rid of like the working out, the meditation.

• 1:21:19Theo Von?

  You know, I'll do like some zoom, like recovery meeting stuff and. And then all that's out of my head.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:26Theo Von?

  And now the rest of my day feels more, it feels easier no matter what I'm doing. As opposed to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them. That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest things right out of the gate. And they even get easier over time.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:21:45Theo Von?

  But like today I got up, I do sauna a lot. That is one thing that I like doing. It just makes me feel activated.

• 1:21:53Theo Von?

  And not everybody can have a sauna at home, you know, I don't have like a very fancy, when there's a lot of different affordable ones, actually. But that's something that I noticed has, uh, has helped me a lot.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Are you icing your boys in the sauna?

• 1:22:06Theo Von?

  Am I icing my body?

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Your boys.

• 1:22:08Theo Von?

  My nuts?

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:09Theo Von?

  Nuh uh.

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  It's a good idea.

• 1:22:10Theo Von?

  You ice them in the sauna?

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Theo Von?

  Whoa, whoa, what do you mean?

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So, uh, we did the, an experiment. So when the testicles get warm, uh, it has all these negative consequences. So it just, it destroys your fertility markers. And so, um, yep, so what you want, what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like eight dollar ice packs. They're BPA free, uh, non-toxic. Put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton, so wear cotton underwear and cotton shorts. Put them in between the underwear and the shorts and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session. But we did this, I, I did, um, the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured like 250 biomarkers.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  And we did ice on my testicles and we took it off and it annihilated my fertility markers. Now, a lot of people will say like, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever. But it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop. Like it's a negative feedback. You don't want to annihilate them. You want good fertility markers, even if you're trying to have a baby.

• 1:23:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, you want your brain to feel like you're pot, like just alive.

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  Ready to roll.

• 1:23:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever, your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for?

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, well, it's my, yeah, my job, exactly.

• 1:23:22Theo Von?

  Dang dude. Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then? Is that, you think that'd be okay?

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  I mean, you could, but you gotta keep the water cold. Uh, it's gotta be, make sure you keep the temperature, like as long as you get the temperature low, like whatever, whatever you do. And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with like hydrogen peroxide or something, you know, so and then put it back in the freezer. But yeah, I know it's like it's uncomfortable to do it socially. Like you go out to like a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting, you know, the ice pack all their balls, you know? But like it legit is, it's good science and it's a good practice.

• 1:23:56Theo Von?

  So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the water, to go to the ice machine, get you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Anything you can do to keep your, your ice, your testicles cold.

• 1:24:06Theo Von?

  Wow. Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that works differently? There's ones now, like, I actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into my sauna. Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing? I know that's kind of two different questions.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. The, the best evidence is with a dry sauna. And so there's wet, dry, and infrared. And wet, the problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature. You're trying to get your core temperature up. So dry sauna and infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want. So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.

• 1:24:45Theo Von?

  Oh my God, bro, that's warm.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  That's your window. And then you want to, so what, so what we're doing now is one of the primary benefits of, of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of heat shock proteins. So these are like little machines, protein machines that get spun up and they go around and fix shit. They fix broken proteins. Yeah, like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff, but only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level. And so if you're not hot enough to sauna, so they're, but they're very hard to measure. So we're currently setting up a lab, a wet lab in my house, so we can measure this. We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  on various temperatures, various durations. So what we've been looking, because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately, but you can't, the, the gold standard measurement is rectal, but you've got to do that, you've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe. So yeah.

• 1:25:48Theo Von?

  That's farm work.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'm struggling with that one. Like I do, I do, I do a lot of stuff, but like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this? So we're gonna do blood, we're gonna measure heat shock protein release, because that's like the good, the goody stuff. But yeah, like basically dry sauna, somewhere between one hundred and seventy four and two twelve Fahrenheit for twenty minutes is like a good starting point. And then ice on the boys.

• 1:26:13Theo Von?

  Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you want to stay in that sauna for, you said, for fifteen to twenty minutes above one hundred and seventy degrees?

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is. It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit. I'm trying to go for like max, max benefit, but like if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're getting some good benefit.

• 1:26:33Theo Von?

  Wow. That's fascinating, dude. Um, yeah, because and my, my stepsister just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna, too. So.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  That's good. The heat will dry out your scalp. Yep.

• 1:26:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, it just seems kind of nice, too. It's like, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion accoutrement in there, kind of.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  It's made of hemp, hemp material.

• 1:26:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah. One thing, we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right? And it's American cotton. One of the things I noticed too on underwear, the, the night band, sometimes the waistband, it's too tight and it makes you go pee all night.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:04Theo Von?

  So it's like you gotta wake up an extra time or sometimes two. Like if I wear some of these ones that are really constricting, I'm like, yeah. So I don't know, I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of, of britches, bro, something to hide your cock in or whatever.

• 1:27:19Theo Von?

  While you're sleeping, bro.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  I hear you, man. This is a serious problem.

• 1:27:22Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, it's crazy. Um, I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting, it was like, uh, nighttime erection data.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:31Theo Von?

  Take me down that, uh, take me down that wiener road for a second.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:35Theo Von?

  Ryan, what did you, what did you see? Your nighttime erection data from my nineteen year old son? Yeah. And this is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build, uh, that's bonding. That is bonding dude. Nighttime erection data for my 19 year old son. Thomas Johnson and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Wow. Yet, uh, raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright. That's hilarious. Yeah, I noticed you and your son, he gets involved in a lot of this, right?

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he, he's so cool. He's such a cool cat. He, uh, he's my second, uh, child and, um, he and I are just best friends. We roll and man, like, we're like, we're just twins. Like we, just like, you know, with Kate, um, man, I love this kid so much. We have so much fun together.

• 1:28:24Theo Von?

  Yeah. What makes him so special to you? I mean, it's your son. So that's one thing.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  He, there he is. I mean,

• 1:28:30Theo Von?

  That's cool.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  Like,

• 1:28:32Theo Von?

  He's in shape, huh?

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Who, who would do this with their dad?

• 1:28:37Theo Von?

  It's a good, dude, that's actually the perfect answer.

• 1:28:41Theo Von?

  Maybe Voldemort's son or whatever. I'm just joking. I'm just joking, Thomas. No, but no, you're right. Who would be like, yeah, who would do anything with their dad?

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Look at like, uh, the lower left. He's, I have my shirt off. Yeah. He's hugging me. Like we're doing a shirtless, skin to skin photo shoot. Like, what father son does that?

• 1:29:01Theo Von?

  Seems pretty tribal.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, he's like, and so like, we're there, we did a blood transfer. So he gave me his plasma. I gave my dad my plasma. We did like a trigenerational thing.

• 1:29:12Theo Von?

  And is that, was there any helpful stuff in that?

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. So my, this, the origin behind that is my dad called me in a panic and he said, like, I, he's, I just wrote this thing for work. I stepped away from my, my desk, came back to it. It was gibberish. He's like, I'm, I'm freaking out. And so that day, my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges. Like the idea of you, like, there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were sewed together and they, they shared a circulatory system. The old mouse got younger.

• 1:29:42Theo Von?

  They were sewn together?

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like they shared a system. That's kind of a shitty experience. A shitty mouse, right? Like to be that mouse and not experiment. Uh, but the old mouse got younger. And so there was this idea like what's happening, right? Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is youthful and give it to someone that is older? And so my, I was like, Dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma. Like, you know, like, cause there were some studies being shown.

• 1:30:08Theo Von?

  Yeah, and then you siphon Talmadge in it.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  So he, he heard, he heard, Talmadge heard us talking about it. He's like, hey, like, if you want me in, like, I'm, I'm happy to be in. I'm like, you guys, this is perfect. Try generational plasma exchange.

• 1:30:23Theo Von?

  That shit's dope, dude.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we did it. And it's interesting that my dad, his speed of aging, it's like there's a clock inside your body of how fast or how slow you're aging. His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years. So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast he was aging from getting my plasma.

• 1:30:41Theo Von?

  How are you able to quantify that?

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Looking at something called DNA methylation. So body, your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body look like? A 13 year old, a 20 year old, a 45 year old. It's like an emergent science.

• 1:30:54Theo Von?

  So it's like metadata almost.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's a new area of science. It's still emerging. It's not yet gold standard. So like, you know, it's not like the, like, blood work is the gold standard marker, but this is cool. And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when, when my son Talmadge gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change. Which like makes sense because my biomarkers are already like his, were already of comparable health. But my dads are not as good as mine. So, but yeah, that was the behind that. And so like my son, yeah, like he.

• 1:31:27Theo Von?

  That's cool.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like he's, he's, um, he's a yes and guy.

• 1:31:31Theo Von?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  So like anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, Dad, yeah, and? You know, like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to hang out with you. And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude.

• 1:31:43Theo Von?

  Um, I want to talk about the mushroom stuff and I'll, but would take me back to the erections.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Uh, what?

• 1:31:49Theo Von?

  And that's the only time I'll ever say that probably.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  It's like the time you were gay. Everyone's a little gay.

• 1:31:57Theo Von?

  For what? Oh dude, people's all a little bit gay, bro. You fucking tickle anybody. If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll admit it.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:06Theo Von?

  What did you notice about erections? Yeah. What did you guys find out here? Cause you and your son both took this. Is it a test? What did you guys do to study it?

• 1:32:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. So this, the idea behind this is, um, how do you tell if somebody's in good health? You can like look, you can look at them. It's like, what is the skin quality? Like, what are their muscles? Are they aerobically fit? It turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health. And that if a man is not having erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger problems in the body. But after, before we did this, nobody talked about this idea, but every night you go to bed,

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles. So men have between three and five erections every single night. It's not sexual. Your body is just like pulsing the system. Females have the same thing. So females also have, uh, these arousal cycles. There are clitoris and gorges that they, you know, so, so you can, we can measure a man's erection. So we have this little device you put on the base of the penis and you go to sleep. You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. You don't even feel it. And you wake up in the morning and it gives you a readout. How many erections you had? How long they were, and then the strength, the erections. And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system, your psychological health and your physiological health.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  So if your, if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you. And you could also use it as an age marker because as you age, uh, like a healthy 18 year old will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections. And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes. So it declines with age.

• 1:33:46Theo Von?

  Papa's still rocking though.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. So mine are, uh, my, my best is like three hours and 52 minutes.

• 1:33:53Theo Von?

  In one night?

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'm at the 99.9 percentile for nighttime erections. And this is a cool marker because like people can, can look at me and say, bro, you still look 48. I don't think any of your shit's working. And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just doesn't. Like I can't change if I have erections and I don't know, I can't think about having sex. Like your body just doesn't.

• 1:34:17Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  So it basically is a question of like, my body is behaving like an 18 year old. Like better than an average 18 year old.

• 1:34:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not? Yeah. Like, so that's what this whole idea is. So actually I was teaching my son, like, I was like, hey man, how are you doing? Cause as a good father would want his son to be healthy and he's like, I want to measure it. So, so he's a very healthy 18 year old and I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old. He's, he's a 20. Uh, our bodies basically are behaving the same. So, uh, yeah, people like, you know, like definitely had a lot to say about this post.

• 1:34:55Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, it's, I mean, it's pretty fascinating, you know, when you think about that, you had 34 million views on this.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  It'd be like, that's not even like, it went so much more viral than that.

• 1:35:04Theo Von?

  That's insane, bro.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:35:07Theo Von?

  But dang, also it's a great business card for your son in the dating world.

• 1:35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like, you know what?

• 1:35:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Theo Von?

  Or the longevity world. I mean, it's just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's going to show up at night. Cause yeah, I noticed that I definitely, if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like,

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:24Theo Von?

  Okay. I'm viral or vir- virile.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:35:28Theo Von?

  And I'm rocking, you know, and I still got it. You know what I'm saying? And bring on the day.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like you remember feel like when you were like early teens?

• 1:35:36Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  You're always erect. Like in the middle of the day, you have, you just become erect.

• 1:35:42Theo Von?

  Yeah. I remember walking down the hall and having to like lean my body inward like to, or like walk with your just.

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Your book over your.

• 1:35:47Theo Von?

  Yes. Holding your book bag or wearing your book bag on the front.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:51Theo Von?

  Or just um, or I'd walk in like just at school, I would just point my body towards the wall and just walk sideways and shit. Just weird shit.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:36:00Theo Von?

  Just cocking around.

• 1:36:01Speaker 02

  That's like a robust function, but then as you, as you age, right, they just disappear.

• 1:36:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 02

  And so that's why it's so important. So I talk about it because people who don't have, men who do not, do not have robust nighttime erections are seventy percent more likely to have a cardiac event. So like you, like you really wanna know.

• 1:36:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  If it's not working, like all their stuff is going on. And so, yeah.

• 1:36:22Theo Von?

  Wow. A lot of my, yeah, there was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological too. I think I was just, there was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy.

• 1:36:33Theo Von?

  You had mentioned, uh, you had an experience, I have to pee really quick now. We just took a urine break. Dude, I pee long when I pee, dude, cause I drink a lot of fluids during the day.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Theo Von?

  Is that good or bad? You think, does it matter?

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:47Theo Von?

  Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day? So you don't, uh, wake up to pee at night?

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I like, I measure, what I did is I measured, uh, my fluid. So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I, I measure how much I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch, just put it on the inside of your forearm. And then it gives you how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium. So you have like a kind of a baseline. And then you have an idea of like, you can back into how much should you consume? And how should you supplement with the sodium or do you already have that? So yeah, I consume about, about a hundred and twenty to a hundred and thirty ounces of water per day. So a lot like you. I front load it in the morning and I stop around four to five.

• 1:37:28Theo Von?

  Ooh.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  So yeah, so that then helps me, uh, lessen the number of times that I need to get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night. And then other times like probably half the nights, you know, I'll get up once. But yeah, I tried to stop fluid, uh, towards the end of the day to stop getting up at night.

• 1:37:44Theo Von?

  So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner?

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause I, well, actually I eat dinner at like eleven AM, noon. I have my final meal of the day around noon.

• 1:37:53Theo Von?

  Oh, you do?

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:54Theo Von?

  And when do you have your first meal then?

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  Uh, when I wake up at six.

• 1:37:58Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  I wake up like at four or five, like four or five, and then I'll have breakfast before I eat.

• 1:38:02Theo Von?

  So you eat breakfast?

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like.

• 1:38:04Theo Von?

  So many things that are like, don't eat breakfast. I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it into a smaller eating window. But you don't, that's not your practice?

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, like do your thing, right?

• 1:38:13Theo Von?

  Right. You're saying do your thing.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I do your thing. But I like, what I. I built my life around sleep. Like unquestionably. So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before, heart rate before I go to bed will be around forty one, forty two, forty three beats per minute, which if I have that, I will have a perfect night's sleep. I'll get like four to four and a half hours of, of restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  I'll, you know, half the nights I will knock it up. Other nights I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within like a minute or two. And so, um, yeah. And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel like I can take on life. When I don't sleep well, it just, it's like, oh, man, it sucks. I, I hate, I hate how I feel.

• 1:39:01Theo Von?

  Everything goes downhill. Everything does. The way I treat other people, the way I treat myself, like you're saying.

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Theo Von?

  Last night's sleep was bad, might as well wreck the rest of the day. You know, there's this.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:10Theo Von?

  There's this like regenerative thing that sort of continues to happen.

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:14Theo Von?

  Um, do you, uh, take any supplements for sleeping?

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  I take three hundred MCGs of melatonin. So that's not to be confused with a, a milligram. It's just like a third of a milligram.

• 1:39:28Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  So very, very light dose. That's all I take.

• 1:39:30Theo Von?

  In a powder or chewable or what?

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Just, uh, I take a plant-based melatonin. Yeah. Uh, instead of synthetic, but otherwise, like, you know, people have their sleep stacks. They have like the magnesiums and like, cool. But I just don't need it. Um, yeah. What I've learned is that the body is a clock.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  It loves consistency. And so we've measured this where your body wants to run. They run certain biochemical processes on certain timeframes. So for example, if your bedtime is ten PM and you miss it, you say like, I'm gonna go to bed at two AM today, but I'll make up for it. I'll sleep until ten, I get my full eight hours. It doesn't work like that. So at ten PM, your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body and it picks up the trash. If you're not in bed at ten PM and asleep, the trash collector doesn't come and the trash accumulates in the body. And so it's more important to be on time and consistent. Otherwise, like the body's processes can't do its thing. So that's what I've learned is like,

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  you have to treat the body like a system. You can't just be like, fuck it, I'm gonna like power over it or like run, you can't. Like the body runs on certain principles of biology. You can't ever rule it.

• 1:40:43Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:40:45Theo Von?

  And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to keep things organized. Your body just wants to, yeah, a system just wants to run

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Theo Von?

  in an organized fashion.

• 1:40:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:40:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Like you were saying, like when we first started talking, it's like you have a plan, you have a routine, like it feels good. You like, mentally it feels good, the body feels good. It's just better to have that.

• 1:41:05Theo Von?

  I read somewhere that you spend like a couple million dollars a year to take care of yourself and to learn data. What is it? What does that financially look like for you really? Is that the truth?

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  That was true, I think initially.

• 1:41:17Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  It's, I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out, but the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists. So we had to like comb through all the scientific evidence. Like for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna? What temperature? What kind of sauna? You know, how long? Do you ice your testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins? Like the little minions going out doing the good shit? Like you have to go to this degree, uh, which is extensive. And then I bought a bunch of equipment, like I have a couple, like I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house, all the various things. And then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement. But the actual things we've learned are low cost. Like I can take

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into their life, like at a very, very low cost. So it's been really just about, um, there's, there's actually very few therapies that cost a lot of money that are worth like, most things don't work. Most things are bullshit. And so that's been the process of like spending the money to figure out what does work and then how those things work.

• 1:42:21Theo Von?

  What about red light therapy? Do you think that's helpful?

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  It's, see, this is the thing is yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the right amount of red light therapy for the right duration of time. And so if it's like a face mask of whether it's a panel, and so we do things like we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure are you getting at what distance, what duration? If you're looking for like deep healing or longevity. So again, type, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters. And so we try to be very precise. Like if you're doing red light therapy, Get this dose and now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device. It has these specs. If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this? And that gives you the data, but you want to be precise because a lot of people think like red light's good. I'll just do it and it's great. Like it's more nuanced.

• 1:43:08Theo Von?

  Yeah. Cause I was talking about a naturopath, ophthalmologist.

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:11Theo Von?

  And she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do it every day. I do red light. I have three panels that surround me. It's red and near light. I do it for six minutes a day.

• 1:43:23Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  So I do it every day. It's a good therapy.

• 1:43:25Theo Von?

  Got it. Um, what about like barometric, those, you know, those like barometric chambers? You see a lot of those at wellness centers, you know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD injections every day. Are you, uh, do, is, is the barometric thing something you?

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Theo Von?

  Recommend?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I have a hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

• 1:43:45Theo Von?

  That's what I mean, hyperbaric.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's, it's potentially, it's, it's right there at the very, very top. So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like interestingly mushrooms, magic mushrooms is up there. But yeah, hyperbaric is one of the best therapies, like we all do with our experiments. I did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after 60 sessions. Yeah, there we go. There's the system.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  We, we saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood inflammation, like telomeres. It just had more whole body effects. If you pull up, do, um, find the one I read up or I did on X. Brian Johnson, um, H bot summary. It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world. It rebuilds collagen, elastin fibers. It gets rid of senescent cells, which are zombie cells.

• 1:44:47Theo Von?

  How long do you need to be in there for?

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  That's the thing. That's the problem. 90 minutes.

• 1:44:51Theo Von?

  Per day?

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Uh, per session and you need to do 60. Yeah, there we go. That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions, each 90 minutes in 90 days. So it's a gigantic amount of time. Yeah. And you can't have electronics in there. It's too dangerous. So yeah, this is the thing is it's, it's really inaccessible, which is sad because it's so good.

• 1:45:14Theo Von?

  300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telomere activity of a 12-year-old associated with biological age, 250 to 290% increase in short-chain fatty acids. But you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year, right?

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but right now I'm doing 60 sessions per year in like a big burst. And then I'll do like a 20-session burst once per quarter. And so I'll do this around, for example, like a certain treatments. Like Thursday, I had a bunch of stuff done to my face. So I'm beat up. I've got like stuff all over the place.

• 1:45:50Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Like I have like bruised.

• 1:45:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're a damn lab rat, homie. You're a damn white mouse.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, so like we, as you age, you lose collagen. And so your skin like gets saggy and less plump. And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.

• 1:46:10Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that. But then you pair that with hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like boost the therapy.

• 1:46:17Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  So, yeah.

• 1:46:19Theo Von?

  So that's the thing. So say if I'm gonna go get an NAD injection or an IV every week and it's gonna take two hours anyway while I sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it. If there's one there. Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year, is it even worth it?

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  I mean, you like, there are, you can do like, one session's good for you.

• 1:46:36Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  And you can do five also good for you. There's like protocols that on healing, like diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds. It's really great for healing. This is just like the longevity protocol. So you can do fewer sessions and still do it. But you want to have it, it's a compounded therapy. So do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week. Your body needs to have a break.

• 1:47:00Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, I saw you did the mushroom therapy and that's one of the things that kind of brought me like, made me think like, okay, this guy, it's not like, you know, this guy's really, he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more, right? What was that therapy like for you? And were you surprised by it? And was it psilocybin, I guess, and the effects?

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, this is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  Psilocybin like sits in the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity. That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so we said, can we do an experiment to see is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy? So same thing, we measured 250 biomarkers and the data was insane.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  Surprisingly, so like,

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  we found this new thing where there were studies in mice that showed that the blood glucose improved.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  In me, my blood glucose went from 98.2 percentile in the population, good, to 99.8 percentile, I think, something like that. Like it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, resetting your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It took my inflammation levels down to undetectable. It had changes in my microbiome. It, I'd list them all out here. Yeah, like it legit is a longevity therapy.

• 1:48:28Theo Von?

  It reduced inflammation and below detectable, calmed my body and mind, lowered cortisol, inhibited HPA access in the days following the dose.

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  Made neuroplasticity in the brain, like takes your brain to a more youthful state.

• 1:48:40Theo Von?

  Wow. So you guys did a lot of like treatment while you were under this. And did you then put this into your protocol after that?

• 1:48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yep. So it's really early days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol. But right now it's like once every 30 days seems to be about right.

• 1:48:58Theo Von?

  And how much mushrooms have you taken?

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  25 milligrams of psilocybin.

• 1:49:03Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  So then it depends upon the strain. So I did the B positive mushroom strain. So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams of psilocybin.

• 1:49:15Theo Von?

  So that's a real trip, kinda.

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's like, it's just below a ego dissolution.

• 1:49:22Theo Von?

  Wow. So you have to be like in a, say, you gotta chill out somewhere.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't want to be at the club.

• 1:49:27Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:49:30Theo Von?

  And what about, but you, but you, but that was so helpful that you now it's part of the protocol.

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:36Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our next psychedelic livestream in three weeks.

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  We're doing a new psychedelic. Oh yeah, this is cool. So yeah, Kate did it with me.

• 1:49:46Theo Von?

  Oh, your girl did it and your son did the first one?

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  I know. He just showed up. So at the end of, uh, when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.

• 1:49:54Theo Von?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  We had such a good family bonding moment, you know, cause like you're in that state and I was just giddy and euphoric. And I was able to express things to my dad.

• 1:50:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, man.

• 1:50:04Theo Von?

  That's huge.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  And so then, yeah, so we did this. We see the temperature. Um, when you take psilocybin, your body changes in its thermal regulation. So the extremities get a lot colder. You have a lot of heat go inside. So we did that as a, as a measurement.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  But yeah, so we're looking at our next psychedelic, cause there's like a few things like, um, we did psilocybin, but other contenders are, um, ayahuasca, five MEO.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  What else did we look at? Yeah. So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.

• 1:50:42Theo Von?

  Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Ayahuasca has been one that's.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  You should.

• 1:50:46Theo Von?

  It's, I've done it before. It's been amazing.

• 1:50:48Speaker 02

  You should come on. So last, the last time we did this, we had people who came on to work. So I was, uh, tripping. And we had a bunch of people who were commentators. They were like, well, it's good. Like almost like fight show stuff like, you know?

• 1:51:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  You should come on and be a commentator.

• 1:51:03Theo Von?

  Dang, bro. That'd be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you based out of?

• 1:51:11Speaker 02

  Uh, well, we'll do it, um, internationally. So.

• 1:51:15Theo Von?

  Oh, you have to, I guess.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. But you just be online. Yeah. Just like, we just bring you in. And it's just like, you know, it's like, it'd be fun. Actually, it'd be fun to get a few comedians, uh, come in and like, you know, give, give, give their two cents on like, what's going on and.

• 1:51:29Theo Von?

  Are, are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain?

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.

• 1:51:38Theo Von?

  Is there any like therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely not it? Or like, was there ever a place where you got scared? Like you went to like, um, you know, Romania or someplace? You know, I'm just hypothesizing, but.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, like if you pull up that image of my face that blew up, you had it up there before I, yeah. So.

• 1:51:58Theo Von?

  That's you?

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  That's me. Yeah. So I got really skinny in the early days of this project. Really, really skinny. And I lost a bunch of volume in my face. And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume. So most people just do filler. But I didn't want to do filler. And so we did this renova, which is this fat. So someone else's fat. So I injected it to my face and I had a severe reaction. So that was, so that didn't work.

• 1:52:26Theo Von?

  Bro, that's crazy, dude. I, I, I saw this earlier and I was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing up? I thought this was like a Native American woman.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:37Theo Von?

  I totally thought this was a Native American woman.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, like on the, on the far right there, that was me. Like, um, like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh shit. This is not a good situation. It took me like six days to calm down. It was bad.

• 1:52:51Theo Von?

  That's pretty scary, dude. Um, spending all this time working on yourself, right? How, how do you stay out of like ego with it? Because it's such a self, you know? In the end, there's, there is some ego because it's you, you're the, you're your own experiment, you know? And then what are some of the side, like, what does it cost you? Like, what have been some of the things like? Have there been relationships you haven't been able to have? Like, has it been tough to like, um, spend time with family? Like, what are some things? What are the side effects of being like, you know, one of the biggest experiments in, in, uh, in history?

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, uh, you know, bro's so busy trying to not die. He forgot how to live. And, um, I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective. And I, I view myself as a modern day explorer. You know, like somebody who is out there on the frontier, trying to discover something new and like, man, I fucking love this so much. I love this game so much. I'm into it. Like it, when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long. Like, what is the experiment? What is the data? What is the science? I love it. And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with. And so,

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  you know, is there a cost? Yes. Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I don't do? Yes. But do I feel lost? No. Like, I'm very happy with the situation. And so like, in some ways, like, I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete. I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete. Like LeBron goes to bed on time, eats well, and we're like, go, man, like you play well on the court. People just don't understand I'm a new archetype. They haven't ever seen it before. So there's like, just like a disconnect between that. It is cool. Like, I love the hate. It's like great energy, right? Like, it's just a lot of discussion.

• 1:54:39Theo Von?

  Yeah. And there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know?

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:42Theo Von?

  I think. You just don't know, especially at a time when there's like these tech lords, who it seems like they want to like siphon everybody's

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:49Theo Von?

  Androchronome or whatever. Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenochrome or whatever?

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  Everybody has reached out to me. Like, everybody.

• 1:55:01Theo Von?

  Top to bottom.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  You name it. And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power? You know, like, money?

• 1:55:13Speaker 02

  Status or immortality? Like, immortality, right?

• 1:55:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, talk everlasting.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  They just don't care. It's like, they just don't pale. Like, this is what I'm saying. Like, this transition's happening. What good is money if you're dead? What good is status if you're dead?

• 1:55:28Theo Von?

  Any world leaders reached out?

• 1:55:30Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. So he's like,

• 1:55:32Theo Von?

  What worlds do you think they're from?

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  I mean, they, they, they, they all want it. They all want to be healthy.

• 1:55:38Theo Von?

  Any world leader just hit you up straight up, call you right up?

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:42Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's like from every.

• 1:55:45Theo Von?

  Are you at liberty to say or no, you keep it?

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  I can, yeah.

• 1:55:48Theo Von?

  That's okay.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:49Theo Von?

  I had to ask.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there was like this moment where Xi Jinping and Putin, they had this hot mic issue a couple like months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, it looks like we should be able to live like 150 years old.

• 1:56:01Theo Von?

  I remember that.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's like, it's on their minds. They're like, it's clearly in the zeitgeist. And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny, in the world of status and power,

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  the, the new status marker is health. Like, that's what gives people power. And like, now, like, having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but like, doesn't matter as much. So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society and have status. So I love seeing it. Like, the more that happens, the better off.

• 1:56:33Theo Von?

  Do you have competitors out there? Are there other yous out there that you start to run across from different realms or different countries or whatever?

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  I mean, like, anyone who's trying, I love it. Like, I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy. Like, anyone's out there experimenting, great. You know, like, do your thing, be beautiful. So, yeah, I really try to encourage everybody. People will call me, they'll be like, I'm gonna beat you at your markers. I'm like, great, I will help you.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  Right? Like, I will make you better. Like, I will, you'll have to make the same mistakes I have. So, um, we're just, when you think about it, we are, the whole situation is so fucked up. We're on planet Earth, in the middle of space. What is even going on? Right? And it's like, this is so crazy. And like, the fact that we're conscious is so cool. The fact that we're alive is so amazing. Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going? Like, I don't want it to stop. And so like, to me, it's the coolest game. And so, yeah, it's like, celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life. And like, honestly, Get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. Like, stop it. Stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid.

• 1:57:41Theo Von?

  Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey went in this direction, kind of?

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  Yep, my, my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now. Like, they go to bed on time, right? They, they see it. Um, so I'd say my friend group, we now do things together. And, uh, so no, I don't miss out much. Like, there's, there's some things, like, for example, um, Grimes did a, she did a DJ set. And she started at one, so I went to bed at 7:00 PM. I woke up like at 9:30 PM. And then I went out, did her set with her, then went back to bed. I did it with Aoki as well. So like, I, I've been trying to like be balanced of like, be rigid. Also, the rest of the world parties at 1 o'clock in the morning.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  So, and I still had like a great sleep score. I still got my distorted sleep. So like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also like try to find some compromise in doing things that are currently normal in today's society.

• 1:58:39Theo Von?

  Do you feel addicted to wanting to, to not die?

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  I mean, probably, right? Like, the same way, like, uh, are, are people addicted to making money? Yeah. You know, are people addicted to social media? Yeah. Like, like the human condition's kind of addiction. And so like, am I, yeah, I'm, I'm lost in this. I, I don't think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I do now.

• 1:59:03Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  I've got a fantastic family. I have a fantastic partner. I love the game I'm playing. Um, I just, you know, like, I, I went through like 10 years of chronic depression, like legit wanted to kill myself. And I would have done it had it not been for my kids. It's like, I know what shitty feels like. Like, when you're just like, you're so buried deep and it's like, I don't know how many to die out of this. Like, it's just bad.

• 1:59:25Theo Von?

  What started the cause of that, do you think?

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  I'd, well, a couple of things. One, I just had my first baby and he was colicky. And so we weren't sleeping. It was like six months of total sleep deprivation. I was building a startup, so I had no money. I was stressed out of my mind. My partner wasn't working, so I was the sole provider. And so it's just like no sleep and startup and no money. And like, I think it just got me. And then once it got me, uh, it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it when my circumstances didn't change. I still had no money. I still had to make my, my startup work. And so then I just got deeper and deeper. And then like it just kind of cascaded into like really bad shit. So, um, I'm, I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide. You know, so.

• 2:00:09Theo Von?

  How much does the, uh, you take care of yourself so much physically? You have so much information about that. How much, uh, how much are you able to, um, attach your mental to that as well? Or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?

• 2:00:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that if, when people, so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill, right? Like get on some kind of.

• 2:00:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate, lower the heart rate. You have your last meal of the day, like, like do all these different steps. Now that's not going to fix everybody's issues, but having good sleep in place is the most powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition. And then once you have that in place, like if you need to, to look at other options, cool. But most of the time people don't look at the very basic things like, are you in a bed on time? Like, when are you eating that last meal? What's your heart rate? So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well. It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume. You know, social media, food, all the above. And so I don't talk about mental health as directly.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  I talk about get the basics right and you see the boost in your mental health. Like if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like over half of you are in a current mental health crisis.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  And the room always goes dead quiet. They know I'm right. I see it in their eyes, right? Like they had a happy face on, they're like smiling, like, yeah, I've got this going on, but inside they're dying.

• 2:01:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  And you know, you can feel it. And so when I say that and I puncture it and it's like, that's true. Like you guys, like it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal.

• 2:02:05Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  Right? Like no one's winning here. So like, get your shit together. You can build a great company. You can be ambitious. You can be epic, like sleep. And like, so that's really, I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell me that, like, hey man, I see you're ambitious. Like you have big plans for life, but like, let me just kind of help you get some basics right.

• 2:02:22Theo Von?

  Yeah. Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters. It's just so hard. And it's hard to believe. It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years and I had like a mental breakdown, kind of like this is about four or five years ago. I almost literally felt something snap in my brain.

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  Me too. You remember the day, that moment?

• 2:02:37Theo Von?

  Uh, yeah, I remember. Um, yeah, I do remember. I had some shows that were in, they were up in California. They were, yeah. And I literally had to cancel them the day of.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:48Theo Von?

  Never I do that in my life. I said, if I have to walk out there, I, I, I physically cannot do it anymore.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:56Theo Von?

  And the whole time before that, I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. I, I would mirror your experience. I had the same thing.

• 2:03:03Theo Von?

  Yeah. Did, what'd you do? Did you have to go to therapy or something?

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  No, I, I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn. And I said, he was my business partner at the time. And I said, Jason, um,

• 2:03:18Speaker 02

  I was talking to him about like, I'm feeling depressed. I just like can't quite do things. And in that conversation, something like snapped, like I almost like physically heard a snap. And I'm like,

• 2:03:29Theo Von?

  Me too.

• 2:03:29Speaker 02

  Something just broke in my brain. And my brother was like, just try harder, right? He wasn't, uh, I don't think he understood the, if you haven't been depressed, you don't know. But like, I will never, ever forget that moment. It was like 5:30 in the evening. It was just sun setting. Um, and that was a, put me on a 10 year long hole. And so like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people like I it is so much more common than than we talk than like people talk about.

• 2:04:00Theo Von?

  I do think that like you said earlier that when you said a lot like you were in a in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are are struggling or barely holding on. I do think that that that kind of thing is the truth that like we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to.

• 2:04:16Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:04:16Theo Von?

  We're just holding on.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a much better way of saying it, but like.

• 2:04:20Theo Von?

  But then we're so used to surviving at that space too. You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not.

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  Exactly right.

• 2:04:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very real and like it hurts and it sucks. It's there's no safe place to go like who do you tell this about? Is it safe? Is it not? Will you be penalized?

• 2:04:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:35Speaker 02

  So it's a tough. It's a then like the world is so brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you. Tough space.

• 2:04:41Theo Von?

  Yeah. And the truth is probably just say what is going on.

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:46Theo Von?

  You know, but it's so hard. Um, well, last question with AI, you know, AI and things are happening so fast and differently now. Do you think that that will have a large effect on on on don't die, on how we can live on the possibility to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy? And do you use AI with your own data to help create any sort of real information?

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. This well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not about health. And so.

• 2:05:26Theo Von?

  Like, what do you mean?

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I did this. Um, when I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something that would be useful to the human race. Like, that was my ambition. I don't know why, but I just like I really cared about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't good at anything. I was kind of shitty at most everything. And so I said, Okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur. I'm going to make a whole bunch of money to my age 30 with money. I'm going to do something epic in the world. And so I did that. By 34 years old, I sold my company for $800 million. But at 34, I was burnt to a crisp. I just smoked.

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  And so I needed to recover. And so, but then I had basically this quite open question like now I have money. What do you do? And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world. So I spent 10 years trying to figure that out. And I did one thought experiment, which really helped bring clarity is I imagined

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  imagine traveling in time to the year 2500. So a few hundred years into the future. And there you are sitting among those that exist, like are the human, the AI, we don't know, but they, though they are talking. And they're reflecting on the early 21st century, our time. And they're saying, we appreciate Homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because they did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe. What'd they do? Like they didn't destroy themselves. And I thought about that question for years.

• 2:06:54Speaker 02

  I think they say two things. One is they say that's when Homo sapiens gave birth to superintelligence. The second thing they say is they say the second thing that they'd figured out is that they wouldn't die. That they transformed society from a culture of die of like, I will pillage you for my profit. Right. Or I will Yola my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value. There's nothing more valuable than existence and we will do anything to fight for our existence. And so the principles we talked about today of like care, like our society

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  would be better off if we really cared for each other, if you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you, it's like pretty technical. Entropy is the final boss of the universe. So entropy is the disorder of things. The second law of thermodynamics. So eventually like a warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burn out, bodies die, like things just naturally decay. And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder. And life is a rebellion against disorder. Like we somehow survive. And so what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  Is to say, as a species, our number one goal is to build a new antientropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life the number one goal for all things. And you can measure entropy or death in all things. You can measure it in a physical system, you can measure it in a biological system, but you can basically build it computationally. So that's like a whole bunch of stuff, but the goal is you can measure death, you can build protections against death, you can do it in the body, you can do it in physical systems, you can align yourself with AI. It's like, it's a new ideology.

• 2:08:58Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:08:59Speaker 02

  That I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence and it's competitive with any major ideology. So there's like, I need like, honestly, 60 minutes to explain it. Cause I know it's like, I just jammed it up, but it's basically a new way to exist that like reframes our reality.

• 2:09:20Theo Von?

  Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die.

• 2:09:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:27Theo Von?

  Right?

• 2:09:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:28Theo Von?

  Okay. One day we die, there's an afterlife, you can live forever somewhere else. You can live extensively somewhere else. But then to have this concept and to really live as if, don't die.

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:41Theo Von?

  Then now how do you live?

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:42Theo Von?

  Right? And that's a whole reframing of things.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  Exactly right.

• 2:09:45Theo Von?

  Right? But I do understand that, that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of, yeah, if the afterlife of, a lot of it can be here.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 2:09:58Theo Von?

  Then what rules change for me? What rules change in the world? And how does it affect how I play the game really?

• 2:10:07Speaker 02

  Exactly right. And like the thing called don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die. You can be Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die. You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says, nobody wants to die right now. It says nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now. The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now. That's it. After that, there's no agreement on anything. And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it? It's like, help me make more money, help me become better at war, like, help me acquire more power. Like, what I'm saying is the, the obvious answer, we say to AI, we want to exist.

• 2:10:50Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  That's our goal. We don't want to destroy ourselves. We don't want to die individually. Not, this is not saying we want immortality. It's saying we don't want to die right now. So you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with all humans and all AI and say, can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist? It's like, the UN and the States said, like, you know, life lived in the pursuit of happiness. The new constitution for our new species is the right to exist. And that's what this whole thing is about. It's just like the very basic primal desire. I want to take one more breath.

• 2:11:28Theo Von?

  Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't, that we can't.

• 2:11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. Exactly. It's like, if you, if you don't state that as the objective.

• 2:11:38Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  Then you pointed at profit. If you pointed at profit, you inevitably like have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for my profit. I'm going to give you food that poisons you, but makes me money.

• 2:11:49Theo Von?

  Feels like where we're at now, yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a, you go, all right, I'll give you this, then you go here, then you spin there, and then you go to this. But, Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man.

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  Love it, man. It's so much fun.

• 2:12:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, this is it. Super interesting, man.

• 2:12:05Speaker 02

  Can you, can you imagine now a, a stand-up act that would just rip me?

• 2:12:09Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things. I could think, one, you being on a great roast over there. And that's one thing they do at Kill Tony, they roast, everybody roasts everybody. So it's like this thing, you're just part of the universe, you know? And then I could think of, uh, Yeah, of a great, if you like, if there was like a dope roast and you were one of the people on it, people would have the best jokes. I bet it just adds a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it. What are the, what is a cheat day? Like, do you ever just want to unwind? I did see you had a photo of like the fourth, like a fourth meal or something you had. That was up on social media the other day.

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:45Theo Von?

  There you are, just geeked out right there.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm trolling.

• 2:12:49Theo Von?

  Oh, you're just trolling there?

• 2:12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:50Theo Von?

  Okay, got it. Yes, there's some Taco Bell, some different stuff.

• 2:12:53Speaker 02

  I said, decided to live little because like, you know, like it's funny because people are always like, bro, live a little, but then what they're saying is, I want you to die.

• 2:13:02Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:13:02Speaker 02

  To show me you're alive. And so like, right, it's just like, it's fun.

• 2:13:06Theo Von?

  It is kind of true. Live a little. In some ways, if we look at it, especially diet, dietitian, diethetically or whatever, we're saying, yeah, man, diet, you know?

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:17Theo Von?

  Take the, you know, die some.

• 2:13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, they want me to die. So I just, I like all things. I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as well.

• 2:13:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  But yeah, like, you know, the funny thing is, the cheat day thing, man, like, I don't want to do it.

• 2:13:30Theo Von?

  Wow, if you've gotten to the point where you don't want to do it, that's huge. Was it always like that or no?

• 2:13:34Speaker 02

  Just got there, like past couple of years. It took me like a hundred reps. Like you do it, you're like, I think I'm gonna do it and be fun. And then it happens, you're like, god damn it. It's the worst. It's never worth it. Like it's, so I, I learned the lesson. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it. It just doesn't. Like, I don't know of a situation where I did something and I'm like, yeah, you know what? No, like, when I did, when I stayed, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the middle of the night, I got to dance, worth it.

• 2:14:01Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  But like, you know, fast food meal, like, so my team right now is where, uh, they're, they're trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment. So like, what does alcohol do to the body? So we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers. We'd look at my impairment. So like, if I were, I would do an experiment like that. But otherwise, like, just to have fun, like, no, man, it's, it's miserable. I hate it.

• 2:14:25Theo Von?

  Has this challenged your faith? Has any of the, uh, has it challenged which, where, where your faith lies? I knew, because you grew up in a Mormon community, is that right?

• 2:14:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:33Theo Von?

  And has it challenged, um, which I think is a great community, by the way.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:38Theo Von?

  Has any of your practices, uh, challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with that community?

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I, I joke with my, uh, my Mormon friends, I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm, I'm like the best Mormon. You know, like, like, uh, you know, because, um,

• 2:14:54Speaker 02

  Sugar is the currency in the moment. Like you can't do, there's not premarital sex. You can't do porn. Like there's a whole bunch of dudes, you can't drink coffee.

• 2:15:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Right? So when you have like a whole bunch of no's, like it's gotta go somewhere.

• 2:15:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  So sugar is like the escape route.

• 2:15:07Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  And so.

• 2:15:08Theo Von?

  That's nice.

• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. So I, I didn't mess around with them, but like, the thing is like, the, for me, the hole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in the universe. Like, what the fuck is going on?

• 2:15:24Theo Von?

  So bizarre.

• 2:15:25Speaker 02

  It's so bizarre.

• 2:15:26Theo Von?

  We don't even talk about it every day.

• 2:15:27Speaker 02

  It's so bizarre. And so then, like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me explain the situation, right? And I keep, but like, I don't know, I'm more of the opinion of like, how do we know?

• 2:15:39Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:15:40Speaker 02

  What, what are we talking about? And so like, but then if you say like, who says they don't know? It's a very, very, very small number of people who's in there like atheists that they don't know. But that's kind of like a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know, but like, whatever. So like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know. And we have gusto. Like, what, cause like, when you're in a religion, like you've got gusto to serve God and to like, to, you know, obey the commandments and like, but like, where does an ideology that couples up, I don't know, and has gusto? And that's what's missing in the world. That's why I found is like, you, you can intellectually be like, legit, pretty hard to know what's going on. Also, like, we can stand up, we can, like, we have power right now.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  Like, if it wasn't before AI, you're doomed. Like, no matter what you said, you're off to death. With AI, this is the first time ever where a human can be like, you know what? I gotta strut. Like, I'm gonna put my chest out and like, I feel, I feel confident I can do something. And so like, we're at this brand new thing. And that's what I'm saying. Like, this moment is so.

• 2:16:43Theo Von?

  Why, what makes you think about that? Just because the, the ability that the average person can have now?

• 2:16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I mean, you look at AI, I mean, like.

• 2:16:52Speaker 02

  You basically are giving birth to God.

• 2:16:58Speaker 02

  When we talk about God, we say like God's omnipotent, right? Omnipotent, God is blank, blank, blank. Like, we basically assign these powers of like, anything. And on some kind of timescale, AI is kind of that. Like, when it's that and how it's that, like TBD, but it's like generally that. And so when you actually have like the potential of building like billions of gods or godlike powers of like we've imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up your ambition by like a thousand X?

• 2:17:31Theo Von?

  Right, because you're taking some of the more practical

• 2:17:36Theo Von?

  possibilities of God and making them more usable to the everyday person.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:17:40Theo Von?

  You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature, though, do you think?

• 2:17:47Speaker 02

  Why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right?

• 2:17:50Theo Von?

  I don't know, you think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing is gonna make them feel the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to a, to an actual like molecular existing force in the world?

• 2:18:02Speaker 02

  I do, I think that basically.

• 2:18:04Theo Von?

  You think it's the same?

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  Basically, so you are 70 trillion sales. When Theo Von experiences love, or God, or like take what everything, that is a biochemical pattern.

• 2:18:18Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right? Like, there's so many ways to replicate these experiences. So like, if AI is able to develop drugs and or experiences and or if we have implants and or like you can, you could basically just map it back. It's, it's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able to pull back the curtain and say, here's what happened biochemically. Now, like, I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical signature for, totally open to that. But like, in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data. Like, it is a very clear reveal. And so, yeah, will humans be able to experience

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  transcendence and, you know, unconditional love and extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement? Yes, like, all those things. And so, I actually, I'm, I'm very friendly towards religions. Like, no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great. Right? Like, don't die is something we can all agree to. And so, like, I, if someone says they believe in afterlife, super. Like, you can still have your afterlife. This is not taking away your afterlife. This is just saying, like, right now, we want to cooperate because we love the game of life. If that means you want to procrastinate your afterlife for another 100 years, it's still gonna be there for you. Like, it's not, it's not going away.

• 2:19:43Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:19:43Speaker 02

  So, it's really about trying to strike. So, it's the same thing about food. Like, I'm not a carnivore, or vegan, or paleo, or whatever. I'm not anti-religion, I'm not for religion. Like, I'm just like, we're all good. Like, everyone, we're all good. We can be together, we can, like, play the game together. We don't need to fight each other. No one needs to be right or wrong. We just want to agree that existence is awesome.

• 2:20:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:04Speaker 02

  So, that's like, just trying to call peace of all intelligence. Let's not fight. No more killing.

• 2:20:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:08Speaker 02

  It should be cool.

• 2:20:09Theo Von?

  Amen, man. Because I wonder sometimes if, like, when, when, when kids interact with AI and stuff like that, do they feel like it's like, the same as if I, I feel if I'm interacting with a real person, you know? Because, yeah, I just wonder if you could ever get that hug, you know, that kind of hug feeling of like, of your god, whoever your god is, or something. I wonder if you could ever get that hug feeling. If, like, something that was

• 2:20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:31Theo Von?

  Like, man-made or synthetic kind of, hypothetically synthetic, if it would ever be the same. But, I mean, I think it's all interesting conversation. And, um, and look, man, you're out there on the front lines. You're like, the only one in your, in this war. Like, you're like your own Vietnam, dude, out there. You know? So, it's really cool. And I really appreciate your time, man. Um, tell, tell, tell, what's your name? Tell, tell me if we said, what's up?

• 2:20:57Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:20:58Theo Von?

  And, um, Yeah, and Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude. I'm gonna grab some of that olive oil. I do wanna get some of it.

• 2:21:05Speaker 02

  I'll send you some.

• 2:21:07Theo Von?

  Well, I'll support, man, but thank you. But thank you even for coming, dude, and just sharing a lot of this with us. I think it's not just about milligrams and this. But it's kind of like a life idea and it's a change of perspective.

• 2:21:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:21Theo Von?

  You know?

• 2:21:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:22Theo Von?

  So I understand it.

• 2:21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I loved hanging out, man. It was really fun.

• 2:21:25Theo Von?

  Me too, bro. I know you said we saw each other at the UFC. I remember now seeing your face for a second.

• 2:21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:30Theo Von?

  And, uh, but I'm glad to see it again, dude. We'll have to get to one soon.

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, cool.

• 2:21:34Theo Von?

  All right. Thank you, brother.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  Amen.

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