Behind the Scenes Minis: Hans, Mike, and Nate

Holly talks about realizing how Hans Sloane’s early life likely normalized the idea of colonization for him, and also Museum Mike the cat. Tracy talks about the structure of Nate DiMeo's book as it compares to his podcast. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:41Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 3:51Holly Frey?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey.

• 3:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 3:55Holly Frey?

  And we talked about Hans Sloane in the British Museum this week.

• 3:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh huh.

• 4:00Holly Frey?

  There are so many things. One of the things that jumped out to me that I had not realized, reading a lot of biographies about him until I got into more of the heavy hitter biographies, was...

• 4:15Holly Frey?

  Like at that point, I was already, you know, understanding and, and well acquainted with the extent to which, you know, this colonization and enslavement of Jamaica had enabled his work.

• 4:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 4:31Holly Frey?

  But it wasn't until I got into a deeper biography where I understood the circumstances of his youth and how that was already a scenario of colonization and forced occupation. That maybe just made him so accustomed to that concept.

• 4:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Holly Frey?

  That he didn't even process it to some degree.

• 4:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Holly Frey?

  That's just a guess on my part. Like, we don't actually know his opinion about slavery per se.

• 5:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 5:02Holly Frey?

  Even though it clearly benefited him and he

• 5:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:05Holly Frey?

  believed that anyone who was not a white European person must be lying if they said they didn't feel good because they were lazy and trying to get out of work. That is literally how he, how he describes many of these situations. Even when he's listing symptoms that you're like, something was gravely wrong with that person. Which is upsetting. But it just was the first time I, I had that revelatory moment of, oh, his whole life parallels that experience of his youth. Where this was probably very normalized.

• 5:38Holly Frey?

  Just interesting. While I was at the British Museum.

• 5:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:43Holly Frey?

  And I went in the reading room and I was with one of my very, very dear friends, uh, who I just loved pieces. And we were standing in the reading room and all I could think of was Mike the Cat.

• 5:54Holly Frey?

  Who you may remember from our episode about historical cats. Mike the Cat was kind of a scrappy cat that would often hang out in the reading room and guarded, air quotes, the British Museum. And people would try to pet him and he would claw. And I just was like, if ever I did want a ghost, it was Mike the Cat in that moment. But, um, no Mike the Cat sightings.

• 6:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:16Holly Frey?

  If I did think about him.

• 6:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:18Holly Frey?

  Sloan's name was on chocolate until 2022.

• 6:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, really?

• 6:23Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 6:24Holly Frey?

  And then the company that was, I forget the exact name of the company, but it was something like Sloan Chocolate Company. He didn't own it. It was named in reference to him.

• 6:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sure.

• 6:33Holly Frey?

  It rebranded to Coco Canopy, I think in 2022, but I'm like, wow, that is so long.

• 6:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  That is a long time. Yeah. Yeah.

• 6:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  I also, um, I think about this sometimes just because I will go down a rabbit hole of like TikTok discourse. People use the word discover to mean a brand new, never before discovered thing. But people also use the word discover to just mean, I found out.

• 7:07Holly Frey?

  Yes.

• 7:07Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not, not claiming that you are the sole discoverer of the thing.

• 7:12Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 7:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so I kind of wonder, um, like whether he did think that he had invented this entirely unknown thing.

• 7:22Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 7:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Or this is probably being more generous toward him than he might deserve in this matter. Like whether he was like, I discovered that this is really good. And it just more meant, I realized this, not I invented it.

• 7:37Holly Frey?

  Yeah. And it's very unclear. Um, I mean, here's the thing. There are very solid sources that will say without hesitation that he invented either hot chocolate, chocolate milk, milk chocolate, like as though it is fact and there are places you would normally trust. But there's absolutely no.

• 7:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah. When you told me this was who you were working on and I had not, like, the name did not ring a bell at all for me. And so I Googled and the first result was like, blah, blah, blah, naturalist, supposed inventor of chocolate milk. And I was like, that doesn't seem right.

• 8:17Holly Frey?

  Right? No, no. One of the other things that was interesting that I hadn't really thought about a ton. Because, you know, he had collections from, as we said, towards the end of the episode, more than, you know, 70 different places around the globe, but he himself was not widely traveled really. Right? Like he went to Jamaica on this. Assignment and he had gone to France for his medical degree, but he didn't do the thing that we talk about on the show all the time that like young men as they're, you know, hitting adulthood from aristocratic families would do like their tour of the continent and travel. He couldn't afford to do that. He was from the, the, you know, servant class.

• 9:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 9:03Holly Frey?

  So it's really interesting that he, again, obviously so many problematic issues with his legacy, but he is an interesting case of someone who really went from having nothing to, literally, as I joked in the podcast, being the grand poobah of all scientific thought in London, certainly. And I would say that extended throughout Europe in a, a big way. Just kind of a fascinating life trajectory.

• 9:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:34Holly Frey?

  I just thought that was interesting. And then when he purchased the manor house at Chelsea, that included that garden, his apothecary garden, and he leased it to the Worshipful Society of Apothecaries for five pounds a year. And according to a Gardens Illustrated article that I read that was about the 350th anniversary of his, his birth, maybe, um, his descendants still get paid that.

• 10:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, wow.

• 10:06Holly Frey?

  That property is still part of his family legacy and they are still getting paid rent on, on that garden, which is fascinating.

• 10:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:16Holly Frey?

  This is like that thing we've talked about recently where we always mention when you're translating money over time, it's very tricky.

• 10:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Holly Frey?

  But how I had found a few months back, and we talked about it then, like, oh, this is actually quite important to people who live in like Europe, for example, where they actually are on property that their family has owned for 350 years. And suddenly they have to have a system that everyone agrees they'll at least acknowledge and abide by. And so I just, it was one of those things where I'm like, I, the idea of a family owning a piece of property for hundreds and hundreds of years is so. Alien to most of us that live in the United States. And I'm just like, and you're, you've been receiving rent since, what year? Seventeen, twenty-two for real?

• 11:14Holly Frey?

  Uh, it's very interesting. Yeah, British Museum, they got a lot of cool stuff. I feel like they're, they're trying, having been there on site. Cause we've talked about it before and like issues of repatriation.

• 11:29Holly Frey?

  But I will say the vibe I got being on site was, we're trying so hard, we're just really behind.

• 11:35Holly Frey?

  And I don't know if that's just like, an easy, an easy piece of copy to put out, but I, it felt a little different for me being there than when we have talked about it. Because it does seem so simple in most regards. But I, I do think there's some untangling that we probably are not privy to in a lot of those things.

• 11:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right, right. Yeah.

• 11:57Holly Frey?

  But it's a cool space. It's hard as heck to navigate, in my opinion. Thank goodness, I had a local who was like, oh no, that's on floor four. And I'm like, how do you get there?

• 12:08Holly Frey?

  Cause I would never have found stuff.

• 12:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I've never been there, cause I've never been to London.

• 12:13Holly Frey?

  Oh, I love it so much. This last trip to London, uh, my favorite. I just felt, I stayed in, um, a different part of the city than I had before. And I just had a great time. And I, I don't know, it felt like second home, uh, in a way that had not before. So I'm, uh, ready to go back again at the drop of a hat.

• 12:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Nice.

• 12:37Holly Frey?

  Let's all go.

• 12:40Holly Frey?

  By the time this comes out, we will have been to Iceland.

• 12:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 12:45Holly Frey?

  Uh, so we might have new stories to come out of that. We'll see.

• 12:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

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• 18:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  We also, I also, talked to Nate D'Amelio this week about his upcoming book.

• 18:46Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 18:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Called The Memory Palace. So, we have had Nate D'Amelio on the show previously. That time Holly and I both talked to Nate. And this is an example of how our human memories are valuable. Because here's how I remember that earlier episode happening. We were going to interview Nate D'Amelio. We were going to include a couple of episodes of his show in our episode, similar to what we did this time. We were going to also, like, have a focus of the interview around those episodes that we were discussing.

• 19:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  But there were rights issues with music that had been used in the episode, in Nate's episodes of The Memory Palace. So we had to take them all out. Uh, before doing this interview with him, I went and re-listened to that previous episode because I did not want to have it be the same questions exactly over again. Um, and the, there was an episode of his show in there and I was like, I thought we had to take all of these out. So I guess what really happened was we had to change which episodes were going to be included, uh, to ones that did not have the potential issues involving licensing for the music.

• 20:07Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 20:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Um, and that was just not how I had remembered it at all. We do, like, that episode still is in the archive. If folks want to listen to that to hear more from Nate. Uh, I want to stress, number one, Nate is always a pleasure to talk to you.

• 20:23Holly Frey?

  Indi.

• 20:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, it's great.

• 20:25Holly Frey?

  I'm bummed that my schedule thwarted me from being part of this one.

• 20:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. You had your own book coming out at the same time as we were planning to do this interview with Nate.

• 20:36Holly Frey?

  I did.

• 20:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  You had your own book. Uh, and so you were off doing things involving your own book.

• 20:44Holly Frey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Want to tell people one more time what that book is?

• 20:47Holly Frey?

  Yes, it is Killer Cocktails, um, which is based on the work that we do on the other podcast that I'm on, Criminilia, which is historical true crime. And every story of historical true crime has a cocktail and mocktail that go with it. So you get half that you may have heard already on the podcast if you listen, and half are brand new just for the book. So, perfect Christmas gift if you have someone that likes mixing drinks, history, or true crime in a way that's removed and feels less voyeuristic.

• 21:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  So this is very similar to Nate's book because Nate's book is also, uh, some of it, some chapters are, uh, the same story as he has told on an episode of The Memory Palace. Others are new stories that were written for the book specifically. I already gushed about the book a bit in the episode where I talked to Nate. But something that he and I talked about after we had stopped rolling, there's two things. One is that yes, there is going to be an audiobook. The audiobook sounds really cool to me. I don't want to get into the details of how it sounds cool to me. But if you are an audiobook person, if you like to get your, your books that way,

• 22:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  definitely see if this would be one that would interest you because I find a lot of things about it really awesome. The other thing that he and I talked about was how there were concerns about how this book would sell. Because what market is there for a book of poetic, thoughtful, short history stories? And I said, basically, please don't take offense at this, Nate, but like, do you remember bathroom books? Do they still have bathroom readers? Do they publish those? Because now we're all on our phones on the toilet.

• 22:36Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 22:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  But those used to be books that you could find near the checkout section of the bookstore and, and in the humor section. And the book of the memory palace reminds me of a thing that you might read for a couple of minutes like you would a bathroom reader. And I also had a time that I would turn to this book that is not nearly as, you know, private as having your time that you're sitting in the bathroom. Which is that during the height of the, the pandemic, like when we were all in lockdown mode, a lot of us not working in offices, not attending school in person, not seeing a lot of other people.

• 23:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  And then also when I was dealing with all of my feelings around a, a critical illness and somebody very dear to me, I spent a lot of time walking in the woods. And one of the things I took with me in the walking in the woods was my phone, which had a collection of poems by Mary Oliver on it.

• 23:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I would find a place to sit and I would sit under a tree or I would sit by the pond or I would sit somewhere and I would like read a poem by Mary Oliver. And it would just bring a little bit of peace and, and focus to my soul. And I think this book would have a very similar role for me.

• 24:01Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  On my phone to have, you know, a walk somewhere and sit somewhere quiet and read a story that moves me in some way about history.

• 24:12Tracy V. Wilson?

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