Special Pivot: Ryan, Channing and Fred get really personal opening up and answering your questions from life to sports to regrets to what ifs, everything is on the table and their responses may surprise you.

You Asked, We Answered: Sports, Growth & Hard Truths It's a Good Friday for sure, on this episode of The Pivot Podcast, Ryan, Channing and Fred are tapping in with the fans and answering some of the realest questions out there—about sports, life, and the moments that shape who you become. The guys dive into one of the biggest debates in today’s game: is NIL changing college sports for better or worse? From locker room perspective to long-term impact, they break down what today’s athletes are gaining, the root of it all—and what might be getting lost along the way. Then it gets personal. The crew reflects on the one decision that changed the trajectory of their lives, and why those defining moments don’t always feel big when you’re in them yet turn out to be life changing. The guys also talk about the importance of having a Plan B—when to pivot, when to stay down, and how to recognize the difference. The guys reflect and look at the people who inspired them early on—the role models, idols, and real-life examples that helped shape their mindset both on and off the field, the answers of who's on that list might surprise you! And of course, we weigh in on the situation surrounding Jaden Ivey, offering perspective on pressure, expectations, and navigating the spotlight when the world is watching. It’s honest, unfiltered, and straight from the heart—just how you expect it. Pivot Family, You asked. We answered. Thank you for rocking with us and keep the comments coming, don't forget to like and subcribe too! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  I really get sort of jealous when I see these clips of other shows interacting with their supporters. So I was really excited when our producer decided to include you guys. But we started the show with important news from this week. Jaden Ivey's release from the Bulls sparked riveting conversation. And now me, Chan, and Fred will weigh in. And then we got to the good parts. Your suggestions. And no, not your suggestions about who we should have as guests on the show. By the way, if any of you guys have Lewis Hamilton, or Michael Jordan's, or Dave Chappelle's numbers, please pass them over because we would love for them to be on our show as well. But we talked about things like who we admired, who inspired us, and we even got to pivotal moments in our lives. This show was fun.

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  There was laughter, there was debate, and we shed tears. So thank you for the love, thank you for the support, and thank you for your consistency. It's another Three Man Weave Friday, featuring the best fans in the world, you guys.

• 1:48Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man. We had this crazy idea. Right, that we were just like, hey, let's ask the fans what they want us to talk about. And so, most of them are just basically like, well, a lot of them are like, hey, we just want you to have these people on the show. And my answer to that is, if you have these people's numbers that you want us to get on the show, of course, we want like Michael Jordan on the show. And of course, we want all these like great WNBA players and track stars and all of these people that entertain and act. And we want them all. If you could help connect us with them, we'd be extremely grateful.

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  Holler at a player.

• 2:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we'd be extremely grateful. Getting a yes to do the show is much more difficult than you think. So, we're going to answer some of those questions. This is Fred, this is Chan. I am Ryan. Welcome to The Pivot. Thank you all for pivoting with us. I think before we get to that, though, I do want to talk about Jaden Ivey. He was just released by the Chicago Bulls. He said on one of his posts on his IG Live that he was released for conduct detrimental to the team. He went on to explain and ask how they see my conduct detrimental. He went on to rant about Steph Curry and his relation to Christ. He went on to rant about the LGBTQ community.

• 3:02Ryan Clark?

  So, it was a lot of different things involved in him getting released. Freddie T, I know you are a strong advocate for mental health awareness and for mental health as a whole. This feels like something bigger than just basketball with Jaden Ivey. How do you kind of see what's going on with him?

• 3:18Fred Taylor?

  Bits and pieces that I do understand the Bulls released him. And allegedly, it was because of certain, you know, anti-gay talk. He criticized the NBA and their approach on Pride Month, right? And, you know, he said he was against it. He spoke about his Christian faith and beliefs and, you know, it was against God and what we stand for. And on one hand, that is totally fine. If this is your faith, so be it. That's fine. But... There is a time and a place to, you know, address those concerns. I don't know how much of his release came because of those comments. At the end of the day, he was just traded to Chicago in February.

• 4:01Fred Taylor?

  So, I mean, him being released for his comments, we don't know, right? Really, truthfully. But his comments are his displeasure with how the NBA goes about their business in promoting these things. This is, my stance is this. I do not have a problem with the LGBTQ or the gay community. I don't know all the letters. I'm human. I just want, I was put here to live life, not for a long time, but to go on this journey that God set me on. Not to question you or try to deter you from living a life that, you know, to the fullest of your ability. Those comments didn't sit well with me, but those, this is how he feel.

• 4:45Fred Taylor?

  And for that, I respect his, the way he feel. But I don't believe Christianity or your faith should come with disrespect for, you know, a community or a group of people. That part I totally didn't agree with at all. So, I don't know. What do you guys' thought?

• 5:03Channing Crowder?

  Man, people use religion and they take what they want out of scripture and try to make it to their narrative. Jesus is love. We heard that, I'm a Baptist. Jesus is love. He loves every human in his, in his, in his, he was, what was it? He was, they were made in his body. In his likeness. In his likeness. What does it matter? There are people out there that don't like Black History Month. There's people out there that don't like Women's Month. There's people out there that don't like LGBTQ plus month. Let people live. What does it matter who they're dating? What does it matter who they like? What does it matter who they're married to? What does it matter to you? Why are you so against that? And for this young man, he has to understand that he is representing a league

• 5:48Channing Crowder?

  that has to be accountable for all their employees, which let's be honest, they are. Their employees, social medias and all this stuff that's come up recently. So he has to understand that. And I understand you have your stance on this and this and whatever you have. But, man, he has to understand that he's representing the league. And I just don't understand why people want so bad to get into other people's business. They're not messing with him. They're not fooling with him. Why even broach the topic of the LGBTQ community? What is that month doing to you? You have to wear a jersey patch? Like, let me know what? I need to know why he was so upset and had to speak out about the month. And why not? Like, why did he need to speak out about it?

• 6:33Channing Crowder?

  What was it hurting him? How was it hurting him?

• 6:36Ryan Clark?

  Well, first thing is this, and y'all know this from playing sports. If Jaden Ivey was Anthony Edwards, he'd still be on the team. If he had played more than four games this year, if he had played more than 33 games last year, if he had played more than 30 games the year before, if he didn't have the injury history that he had, he could say what he want, probably do what he want, get a slap on the wrist and be right back. He's not on the team because he's no longer good at basketball. And in not being good at basketball, you don't have the tolerance that great talent provides you. That's why he's gone. Now, let's talk about the Christianity piece of it because so many times we use Christianity. And we see that more and more in today's society. We use Christianity to veil the hate and the evil that we want to spew

• 7:21Ryan Clark?

  because people feel like if I say it comes from God or if I can point to where it is in the Bible, now I'm bulletproof, right? Where in Matthew 22, 37 through 39, it talks about the golden rule, right? It's love God, right, first? And then it's love your neighbor as you would love yourself. Like, that's what we are told to do. And so to go on a rant about religion, to be questioning other people's religion, and then talk about the NBA's involvement with the LGBTQ community, knowing, knowing that you're also partnered with the WNBA.

• 7:56Ryan Clark?

  Knowing that this is something that they support immensely, you're putting yourself in position to be treated in this way. And for Jaden Ivey, I think we have to look deeper into the mental health of what's going on as well. This is a player that was drafted 5th overall. This is a player that averaged, I think, like 16, 17 points through his first 2 seasons, that has dealt with injury, that has dealt with being traded, that is starting to be more and more open about the things that he is feeling and experiencing. Somebody needs to check on that young man. Somebody needs to have a conversation with him. Somebody needs to wrap their arms around him. And I understand that you can take what he said, and we feel the same way, as hateful to another group of people, that doesn't mean he should be thrown away.

• 8:41Ryan Clark?

  We're seeing too many young men that deal with these things through sports, in life, that are now dying by suicide, that are now being put in bad position. And so for me, I understand why he's no longer on the team, but the other piece of it is, I hope that someone gets him the help that he needs through this tough time. Alright guys, so we got a question from L.D22 on the IG. He talked about the current climate of college sports. He believes it's gotten softer because they're getting paid more. Chan, you are more tapped into college sports than any of us with, you know, what you do down in Miami.

• 9:21Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, it's not getting softer. Y'all didn't watch the college football playoffs this year?

• 9:24Ryan Clark?

  It was amazing.

• 9:25Channing Crowder?

  They was whooping ass. They was getting physical. Indiana, U M championship game, all of Ole Miss and them, they were getting after it. It's people that are upset that these kids are making money. I don't understand why you're upset these kids are making money. What we call it, the 1% of 1% make it? Why are y'all upset that the 99% can get paid now and get a head start in life? And if they fuck the money off, that's their decision to mess their money off. It's not a different game than it was when we played. It is extremely talented, it's actually higher scoring, because I hate the rules of football now, where you can't pinch a quarterback's nose more than get paid. Let these kids... Earn money off their name, image, and likeness.

• 10:07Channing Crowder?

  I remember being in the video game, number 55, at Florida Gators, but they had no name on it, and they were making millions off of us, but we weren't making money. Let these kids make money, the game is not changing. People that love the game are going to continue to love the game and have a couple million in the bank. Dudes that weren't gonna make it anyway, weren't gonna make it, and they're not gonna make it, and they were gonna be sorry anyway. It's not getting softer. Don't look at your salary and these kids' salary and get upset with them. Your ass should've worked harder when you were nine years old. That's what it is. It's almost, I don't wanna say it, but like, I'm not even, B2947, I don't even forgot his name. Don't be jealous of these kids making money, and don't judge the game off these kids making money,

• 10:50Channing Crowder?

  'cause I'm telling you, I watch college football a lot. It is not a lesser game after they started getting paid. It is the same exact product that was on the field in 1972, when nobody got a dime for playing games except Fred Taylor. But they, but it's just, I hate the, I hate that narrative that the game changed, they getting the check. It has not. Did you watch Duke and UConn basketball? Have y'all watched the, the final four?

• 11:19Fred Taylor?

  Good damn basketball.

• 11:20Channing Crowder?

  The Martin Brunt, they are, they're balling.

• 11:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Channing Crowder?

  As millionaires. And I love it because a lot of them dudes that we watching right now in that tournament are never gonna play in an NBA roster.

• 11:31Fred Taylor?

  Right. Now, I can, I can probably see where that comment comes from. The game has changed, the game has evolved. Until you were in the trenches, you really can't weigh how intense that game is. Like, he has to be on the field to kinda see the level of intensity. Now, from within, I do have a lot of friends that are coaches at different, at various programs. From what they're saying, guys that have played college football, they would agree with that comment. They would say these guys, they show up to, to practice, they act like they don't wanna be here half the time. If you take that money away, some of them probably won't be there at all, or maybe they'll even change their attitude. So, from that perspective... I can kind of see where, you know, some of the guys are entitled, right?

• 12:15Fred Taylor?

  They, they believe that I'm gonna get this check no matter what you do. I can perform however, this is it, I've made it and, and I'll fall back. But then you have a select group of guys that probably have the RC mentality or the Channing mentality or even myself to say, shit, I just want to compete. Show me what you got, you know, that money is cool, but it's me and you right now, we locked in. Uh, so from the surface, I can see what he's probably saying. The rules have made the game to where you can't knock guys out. The major right hit, that would be called targeting, you know what I'm saying? So from that standpoint, I think the totality of it all, he is saying the game has gotten soft. Cause he's probably old school, maybe used to those type of knockouts.

• 12:58Fred Taylor?

  We'll probably look at each other and say the NFL game has gotten softer because it's a different set of rules and certain things aren't allowed that were allowed when we.

• 13:08Channing Crowder?

  It was legislated out, but the same person that's gonna get that check and hang it up is the same dude in the fourth quarter when he's tired and got his mouth busted three times is gonna hang it up too. The dogs, you can give them a billion dollars and they're gonna go out there and try to embarrass another man every single play.

• 13:26Fred Taylor?

  And for that reason, really quick RC, just really quick. I think if he would have separated the two and not include the NIL with the intensity of the game, this is a different conversation. But because he put those two together, I can see your point and even the point about the game being soft. The game ain't soft because of the money. Some, for some players, they're comfortable, they're complacent. Yeah, I see it. And now you have a reason to say, man, you done got soft, bro. Like you should be grinding harder to get to that next level. But for the most part, there's just different dynamic. Like the game is just what the game is because of the evolution of the rules and. You know, what they have now, so I think the question should be separate.

• 14:08Ryan Clark?

  The game ain't softer. It's all of these folks that wanted this free labor off of these boys that's pissed off now because they get paid. It's people that made their careers off of being able to slide little dudes a little bit of money under the table, you know, behave like a father figure, and then now those same people are complaining that the game has changed and it's because you can't put your thumb on dudes anymore. And now, I also hate that you gotta keep recruiting a dude once he's on your team. I also hate that they threaten to leave if they don't get a certain amount of money. I do hate that as soon as they come to a place, they say, "How much money you gonna give me?" But I don't hate it because it puts the school in a bad place. I hate it because it puts the kid in a bad place.

• 14:50Ryan Clark?

  Because now you got these hangerons and these handlers who are using these kids or taking percentages of their money that aren't saying, "What's the best place for you to go to develop and become a great, successful young man? One day be able to run a business or be a great father or a great husband." It's like, "Hey, how can you go to this place and make as much money as you can right now?" Right? And a lot of those dudes who make the top money, they gonna go to the league anyway. But when you talk about what it's done to the game, it's actually given the game some new faces. Like, Indiana has been able to become a powerhouse football team because Kurt Cignetti could coach, he can understand, he understands how to identify talent, he knows how to pay the right people the right thing and then develop them and put them on the field.

• 15:30Ryan Clark?

  Alabama is now at a disadvantage because we can't get all the five stars at our school now, so we don't have a second level group of individuals that's better than your first level group of individuals. And those are the people that are pissed off. The people who watch the game and enjoy football know that the game is different and the game is not softer, the game is safer because it needed to be safer. But these young men are still playing hard. Now, there's a process behind the scene that I'm sure is much different than when we played. But when I watched those dudes play in the college football playoff, there was never a time I watched the game and said, "I am disappointed at the effort of these young men." And that's why a lot of them would be first-round draft picks.

• 16:12Fred Taylor?

  All right, fellas, we got another question from Contact DTM1 on Instagram. He wants to know, "Who are your favorite role models or person that helped you get to where you are? Or your favorite person growing up and that person that helped you get to where you are?"

• 16:25Channing Crowder?

  We all probably got the same answer, mama dukes.

• 16:28Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Channing Crowder?

  You got Mike, so you... You spoiled.

• 16:31Ryan Clark?

  I got a lot of.

• 16:33Channing Crowder?

  You got mama and daddy. Oh, we in front, they got mama and daddy. But I gotta give mama a shout out. Kevin Whitley, high school coach. Charlie Strong, y'all know. Without Charlie Strong, there wasn't no defense. And Zach Thomas, my role model, which is wild now, if you think about it. My favorite player, I think the best player to ever touch a football field in the history of time, is Lawrence Taylor. I had a dog named LT. I have every Lawrence Taylor jersey. I bought them. I have helmets. I have Lawrence. I think Lawrence Taylor is the best human that ever put a football helmet on in the history of football. If you ever watched Lawrence Taylor films. So I would say LT was my inspiration. But the people that got me there was Charlie Strong, Kevin Whitley, and Pauline Pope.

• 17:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, when I talk about my idols in ball, or like people I looked up to, like I had a Charles Woodson. Like I cut his Sports Illustrated out and had it on my wall in college. And shoot, he was in college, my first year in college. Like I thought he was like the epitome of a defensive back. But growing up, my cousin Gary Lewis, he went to Alcorn State. He was the SWAC Player of the Year. He was drafted by the Raiders in the sixth round. Played, you know, six or seven years in the league in Canadian football. But he took me everywhere with him when he came home. Like I remember when he would go train at the park in the offseason, I would like hold the bungees, you know, while he ran. And I would just sit on the side like and just watch him work. And when he got drafted, he came home and he bought a Nissan Maxima. Right? And it had rims on it.

• 18:00Ryan Clark?

  It had tinted windows. He had sound in it. And I was like, man, like I want to be just like him. Like I wanted to go to Alcorn State because that was football to me. Like that was the only college games I would go to. And I would see the Golden Girls and when they sit down, they'd be, you know what I'm saying? So like I thought that was the epitome. And I knew like the McNair's went there and all these different things. And so watching him gave me like something tangible that like I could make it.

• 18:26Ryan Clark?

  You know, and being around him and seeing him never change and him sowing into me. But even, you know, in the craziness, like, you know, he married a Golden Girl. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, ooh, you go to the league, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, this, this, this. It's your man. Yeah, like, this how, this how it work. You know what I'm saying? You, you know, and it, and it was my, my younger brain, but like, everything he did, I wanted to do. And it was like, how much time he gave me, though. Right? Like, how much love he showed me. And he would tell me, yeah, like, you gonna be better than me. He would tell me, like, you more athletic than me, like, you, you're smarter than me. But just to him, though, yeah, I was all of those things, because I had him. You know what I'm saying?

• 19:09Ryan Clark?

  Not everybody has that North Star that they actually touch, but I did. And so, yeah, it's my cousin, man. I was like my brother, big brother, growing up, but definitely that was for me.

• 19:18Fred Taylor?

  You said cousin. I gotta keep it in the family. My Uncle Eddie, man, he's the first athlete that I ever met, you know, first person that pulled me out of the crib to roll me a ball. And eventually, as I started to grow, you know, he would come out here and say, race me, race me. We, we run against each other. So, you know, he kinda got me started on the journey of wanting to do stuff athletically. But I, I, I believe that Walter Payton would be the person who actually took me and say, all right, this is what I wanna do. This is what I love. This is what it looked like. Go be that. You know, eventually, that sort of evolved to my love for the running back position. Fell in love with Marshall Faulk as a freshman at San Diego State, what he did with, against

• 20:01Fred Taylor?

  U M down in Miami. And I just fell in love with that number and just the whole position all over. But, you know, truthfully, I would say, the lessons that my, my uncle, that Eddie tried to teach me were mainly about life. You know, learning to be your own person. He went to FAMU On The Track Scholarship, fastest person in the area, state, all that different stuff. They called him Black Jesus back in the day, Randy Hurles. And he still has a record at my high school to this day, from the eighties. Unfortunately, his life kinda took a, a left turn with his best friend. They were smoking weed, he passed him a joint. The joint was laced with, you know, coke or whatever. So he called it a boom joint, like down south.

• 20:45Fred Taylor?

  And that high led to him wanting to chase greater highs. And that just derailed his life completely. So a person who could have, who had potential to possibly go to the Olympics or any of things, you know, he was good. It just went off track, went completely off course. But these are the things that I was able to see and witness. You know, stealing from my grandmother, taking this, taking that. I said, I don't want to do drugs. If this is what it makes you do, I don't want to do that. And that helped me circumvent and navigate, you know, being on the streets after the football game, not drinking behind this person or not taking, you know, a blunt or anything from this person. It helped me get to where I needed to be. I think God showed me that because, so I can be here.

• 21:30Fred Taylor?

  I can be to where my career took me. But Eddie was the first person that opened my eyes to anything athletic. And I would always consider him my mentor for that because he taught me a lot indirectly, you know.

• 21:49Fred Taylor?

  Damn.

• 21:55Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, man. That's my guy.

• 22:01Channing Crowder?

  Yo, Cars Baby. My girl on Instagram, she wants to know, it's almost a pivot question, but it's both sides we can, we can decide between. Is there a, a, a action? Is there a time, a situation in the past that could have changed your life positively or negatively that put you right where you are today? Mine's about to be negative. I know it sometimes, I got out of some shit.

• 22:27Fred Taylor?

  For me, I wouldn't consider it negative or positive. I think it was just something that was meant to happen. It was a negative action by me. I was in Gainesville, bored, antsy, just up there, you know, ain't a lot to do, summer A, B. And myself and one of my homeboys decided to visit the law school. We were on a journey to steal books so we can sell them, flip them and get some cash, few extra dollars. I don't believe we would have been doing that if we had NIL back then. But we did what we did.

• 22:55Channing Crowder?

  What you stealing boxes for? You trying to be in the clubhouse?

• 22:58Fred Taylor?

  Books. Books. We're still in books to resell. So we went over there, grabbed a few books. He was like, I got two backpacks, let's go. I went with him to the bookstore, sold the books. After that, they discovered who did it. We had to go and stand before the student judicial board. I ended up being suspended four games. Coach Spurrie came to bat for me because Dee said, you know, Fred didn't take him, I took him. But we were together, so I'm an accomplice. So, learn the lesson then, because I had intentions on taking him. Spurrie went to bat for me. They ended up taking one game back. I missed the first three games of my junior year. So for that, my intentions before the season were to go to the NFL

• 23:43Fred Taylor?

  with Ike and Reddell and those guys who got drafted the year before I ended up coming out. So they were drafted in 97. That in itself was God saying, be patient, I got you. Now it looks bad, but I'm in control. I got you, sit back and trust me. Played out my junior year, had a decent year. But I returned as a senior because the ratings were, I wasn't going to get drafted high after missing those three games. Came back my senior year, full-time starter. Spurrie was giving me the ball, you know, throughout that season. Had 1,300 yards rushing, broke a lot of records. And end up going ninth overall. So I say to say that, even though in the moment, that situation seemed negative.

• 24:25Fred Taylor?

  But it was just God saying, I'm in control. And it put perspective on everything. And timing worked out. And I'm an advocate of, you know, be patient. You know, things happen for a reason. And let it happen as it may.

• 24:42Ryan Clark?

  Ooh, that's a good one. I think we all have similar stories like that. I would have to say, the moment that I found out that I was having Jaden. I was 19 years old. You know, I was going to have a baby with somebody I wasn't with and had no plans on being with. I was going to make my mom a grandmother at the age of 38. You know, probably the piece of it that changed my life the most was, I wasn't ready to be a parent. Jaden's mother wasn't either. And so we were having all these conversations about adoption. And you know, they had found a family. I remember going to my mom and saying,

• 25:25Ryan Clark?

  you know, mom, if she's ours, I'd like to keep her.

• 25:30Ryan Clark?

  You know, and I asked my mom, did she think I should try to transfer to Tulane? You know, so I could be home. My mom and my dad was like, no, you know, you're supposed to be there. And we'll do whatever we have to do to help you take care of her. And, you know, man, like, I couldn't.

• 25:53Ryan Clark?

  It hasn't been perfect, for sure. You know, I couldn't imagine life without her, though. Yeah, and I couldn't imagine having had the life I had with my family and with Jordan and Logan and thinking that there was a baby, I didn't give that opportunity because I was irresponsible or I was scared or I was ill-prepared. And that could have changed my life if I didn't have my parents, you know. It could have changed my life if I didn't have that support and, you know, and for what her mother did early on in her life and making that decision. So for me, it was definitely that, right?

• 26:34Ryan Clark?

  Like, that could have changed the trajectory of who I became and who I was. And through the experience of raising her, I am the man I am today, along with other things. So, yeah, for sure, man. I love her so much, you know, she's now, because she's older. We get to be friends, we get to talk about the ups and the downs, that adversity. But she gets to know that, you know, that I chose her, you know? And I tell her every time we have a conversation and every time things are tough, I tell her, I was like, just remember, from the very beginning, I always chose you. There was never a time I didn't.

• 27:19Ryan Clark?

  I fooled Jay, that's my girl. That's my girl. Oh, she wanted to tell you too. She wanted to tell you too, no more Short Kings. She said, she said, tell Uncle Chan.

• 27:31Channing Crowder?

  You gonna make me cry for a boy. I gotta do my side of the story. Goodness gracious, that's my girl.

• 27:38Channing Crowder?

  Man, it could have been, it could have been derailed so many times. As a grown man, I look back, all the arrests. I had felony charges at Florida, assault and battery charges. And it, Huntley Johnson, the attorney, people heard about Huntley in, what, the Swamp, whatever they call that show, like, he's the attorney for the ballplayer. Caught those charges. All these things, as I thought about the question, these are the things that made me really believe in God.

• 28:10Channing Crowder?

  Like, I went to church as a kid and you, God, like, when I saw, when I'm sitting in jail multiple times, about to ruin a great football career, that's, like, I'm sitting there, like, and that's when you start praying. And that's the bad part of what people do. That's when you start praying, is when you at your bottom. "God, please get me out of this. I ain't never gonna fight nobody again. I ain't never gonna drink again, God, please." And you really, he knows you lying to him, because you lying to him. But it made me believe in God, but just a arrested Florida man, how if some, the, some of the dude I, you know, one of the dudes I hit broke his jaw, what if he hit his head on the ground and died? I'm in jail forever. Yep. Like, as a grown man, I sit back and look at that.

• 28:55Channing Crowder?

  But, bruh, y'all remember I crashed my truck in '08?

• 28:59Channing Crowder?

  I had a, I had a pickup truck, I had a Dodge deal. And it's offseason, I'm at a, I'm at a shake spot with Sco and Frank them boys. And I leave and it's raining, but this is when the Hemis first came out. I'm flying down the turnpike, right there by Pembroke when it turns. So this '07, we was garbage at 115, and then Parcells took over, brought Tony Sparano in and all them boys. And so we ain't really met yet, and I'm flying back, offseason, flying back down the turnpike, probably doing a hundred from the shake spot. And I lose control of the, of the truck. And I fly off into the grass, and I hit a palm tree, big palm tree, dead on.

• 29:44Channing Crowder?

  Boom, and as soon as I hit it, the airbag hit me. Wham! And I, it knocked me out. All I remember is pushing back and then being asleep, waking up hearing the horn blow. And I shake my head and I look over. I hit the palm tree so hard that the engine turned into the passenger floor. My door can't open because of the impact. I gotta climb across to get out the passenger door because the engine pushed the passenger door so I could get the passenger door open, pushed the passenger door open. If the engine would have turned left, my legs would have been crushed. My legs would have been cut off. I'm in the middle of my NFL career.

• 30:26Channing Crowder?

  That's year three for me, four, going into year four for me. If the engine, if the palm tree hit this side and not that side, feet away, that engine would have went to the other way, crushed my legs. Get out the car, nobody's around. I run down to the highway. I remember the story. Put my finger out. I'm the starting mid linebacker for the Dolphins. I put my finger out on the side of the highway. A dude stops and picks me up. Think about that, like, the storyline's never got out there because this is how God, and that's what I'm saying, bro, it took this and, you know, it takes a tough time for hard-headed people, whatever.

• 31:07Channing Crowder?

  My sister always said, this is the one thing Alana said to me, she says to me, she said to me since I was in middle school, "God watches over babies and fools and you a grown man." Because she knows I'm a fool. Walk to the highway, put my finger out, a man pulls over, picks me up, drives me straight to my front door. I got a little cash in my pockets, three, four hundred dollars, I just wanted to show the man love. I turned to him, old white man, big beard, big truck, like a big white U-Haul truck with no signage on it. I said, "Man, I appreciate you. Go get money." He said, "No, buddy, I've had some rough nights." And drives off.

• 31:48Channing Crowder?

  There were so many different situations in that night that would have either...

• 31:56Channing Crowder?

  Cut my legs off, got me locked up, me driving too fast, I lose control, I hit somebody and not a palm tree. What could have happened in that, on that particular night that could have ruined my life? That's when God had his hands on me. So all them situations, God had his hands on me, but to the Instagram, our Instagram family, it was, it was a six, not even six, a two hour, one hour period that could have derailed everything. I haven't met my wife yet, I haven't had kids. I was just about to get my big, my second contract. This is three years in, I ain't get it to the fourth. Like, it was so much that could have happened in that window

• 32:34Channing Crowder?

  that y'all might not even know who I was if that night went differently. And that's how I know that God has his hands on me. I tell y'all, we riding around all the time. Oh, it's raining, man. God got me, man. Y'all good. If y'all ain't calling me, y'all good, man. God got me.

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  Honestly, Chan, that leads us to the next question, question from Nevett underscore is, what was your plan B?

• 32:55Channing Crowder?

  My plan B, I was gonna be a veterinarian. I went to Florida, I was studying animal. Why the fuck you laughing? How you gonna ask me the question and start giggling?

• 33:04Ryan Clark?

  I'm listening, go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead.

• 33:06Fred Taylor?

  A vet with no legs, go ahead.

• 33:08Channing Crowder?

  I can't be a vet. Y'all haters. I was National Legion of Honors and Scholars and all of that stuff, man. Y'all better quit this giggling. I went to Florida to do animal science. Then once I started balling, they said, yeah, you might want to take ping pong and bowling because we know what your outcome is. I was gonna be a veterinarian. Y'all gonna kiss my ass if y'all don't think I could be. Fred?

• 33:30Fred Taylor?

  You know, the only thing I ever really saw was, like, my mom come home each and every day in her sheriff uniform. You know, I, I went to school to study criminology and someone said, I can be a police, I can eventually get to a point and be a lawyer. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do. I didn't have a solid plan B. I started out in criminology because of my mom, but I didn't really want to be a police. But because of, you know, seeing her, I knew it would be an easier route for me if all that's failed, but I didn't, like RC said, I, football was, that was it. At the end of the day, I was smart enough to do other things, but I didn't really have a focused plan B.

• 34:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, I think when you talk about a plan B, I knew there was a B. I just ain't had no plan to get to it.

• 34:20Ryan Clark?

  Like I'm being honest.

• 34:21Channing Crowder?

  You just had B?

• 34:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I knew that had to be something else if it didn't work. I didn't plan for it though. You know, like you went to school because you're supposed to go to school. Like I started off in kinesiology. I was like, I could be a PT. And then I went to mass communications. I wanted to be a sports information director, which was things I believe I could have gotten to and could have done, but like I just wanted to play football. I went to class because class was a part of playing football. And then while I was playing football in the league and I know TV felt like a plan B, like that just kind of materialized because I was really good at plan A. And plan A was like to be present, to be in that spot, to do what coaches told me, to show up, to try to outwork people. And when the lights came on, be as good as I could be so people saw me. And when they saw me, it gave me opportunities to do other things.

• 35:06Ryan Clark?

  And I think that's what we get kids and young people so fixated on having other routes that we don't make them get tunnel vision on finding that goal. And that only happens in sports. Right? Because if somebody tells you they want to be a doctor, right? And they pre-med, that parent is like, study, study, study, study, study, be this, do this. They're not telling them, but what if it doesn't work? And so I think that for me, I was like, I'm gonna work hard on this. I'm gonna do the schooling, but I wanted to be a ball player.

• 35:35Channing Crowder?

  Dr. Crowder. Hey, how you doing?