Oprah & Intuitive Laura Day on The Prism: Seven Steps to Heal Your Past & Transform Your Future

Laura Day, a New York Times bestselling author and renowned intuitive with an impressive clientele including A-list celebrities and Fortune 500 companies, joins “The Oprah Podcast” to discuss her latest book, The Prism: Seven Steps to Heal Your Past and Transform Your Future. Laura’s long-time friend and Oscar-nominated actress Demi Moore joins the conversation to share how the power of intuition has shaped her professional and personal life over the years. People from across the country also join in, seeking guidance on their next steps and uncovering the best paths forward by embracing their own intuitive nature. BUY THE BOOK! https://amzn.to/3UevKGi ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/1T8ANrNJw4LitbtWEI8WgU https://open.spotify.com/show/1T8ANrNJw4LitbtWEI8WgU Follow Oprah Winfrey on Social: https://www.instagram.com/oprah/ https://www.facebook.com/oprahwinfrey/ https://www.pinterest.com/TheOprahPodcast/ Follow The Oprah Podcast on Pinterest: https://pin.it/4zu2VXmtn Listen to the full podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/0tEVrfNp92a7lbjDe6GMLI https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-oprah-podcast/id1782960381

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• 0:30Oprah Winfrey?

  Hi, everybody. It is my pleasure, delight, joy to be with you here on the Oprah Podcast. And I know your time is very precious to you. So my intention and my hope is to have conversations here where you can actually hear something that enhances your life in a meaningful way. And let me start this episode by asking you to think about this question. You know that little voice inside you? The voice, the one we all have that makes you go huh? And take a pause? You may call it a sixth sense or a gut feeling. I call it your life speaking to you.

• 1:11Oprah Winfrey?

  And I recognize that your life always first speaks to you in whispers. And then when you don't pay attention, it gets louder and louder. The question is, do you pay attention to that voice, to the whispers? Maybe you have a life dream that hasn't come to fruition or a relationship that failed. Or if you're still struggling to cope with a painful past. I'm actually excited for you to hear from world renowned, practicing intuitive Laura Day. She uses her unique abilities to help people, some who are really famous, some who are not famous at all, and also billion dollar companies make better decisions

• 1:52Oprah Winfrey?

  and achieve their goals through her intuitive skills. When Laura Day's breakthrough, New York Times bestseller, Practical Intuition, hit bookshelves back in 1996, it helped demystify a complex concept and bring

• 2:10Oprah Winfrey?

  It into the mainstream.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  What I love about intuition is everyone has it. And what you have to do is sort it out from the rest of the mess of our human mind.

• 2:18Oprah Winfrey?

  She has been called the psychic of Wall Street. Laura has spent 40 years using her intuitive abilities to help guide individuals, billion dollar companies, and celebrities make better decisions to achieve their goals.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  When the intuition comes in, it just touches your knowing.

• 2:34Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  You don't have to believe it. You don't have to try to make yourself get it. It's just there. You know it.

• 2:40Oprah Winfrey?

  Laura's intuitive gifts were born from a dark family history. She and her siblings were largely abandoned by their parents, left to raise themselves. Laura was also abused, raped, and often starved as a child. Later in life, she lost her mother and then two of her siblings to suicide.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  I was 10 or 11. My mother had taken a massive overdose. And it was really the first time my intuition was clear to me.

• 3:06Oprah Winfrey?

  In her new book, The Prism, Laura shares how her intuitive gifts saved her from the darkness. And she reveals seven steps to heal from the past to create a more meaningful future.

• 3:17Speaker 05

  And Laura, the exact conversation you're talking about five months ago, I know exactly what you're referring to and helping me find my voice and leadership. So this has been an entire conversation of ahahs and oohs. It resonates very deeply.

• 3:33Oprah Winfrey?

  So, welcome, Laura.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:36Oprah Winfrey?

  I am so happy to have you here in our tea house. This is where I normally come to read.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  So beautiful.

• 3:41Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah, normally there's a sofa there and I come to read, but we bring this all in for the podcast. So it's a really sacred space for me. You know, we first met you all on The Oprah Show 30 years ago. And we met with your good friend, Demi Moore.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  We're talking with Demi Moore. And her good friend, author Laura Decker.

• 4:01Oprah Winfrey?

  And we're talking about intuition and how you can be more in tune with yours to make decisions in your life. Demi is going to be joining us later. But I just want to first say you worked for decades on this new book, Prism: Seven Steps to Heal Your Past and Transform Your Future. And I really appreciate that word prism. And I have to say, it is a remarkable read, y'all, because it gives you actual tools that anybody can use to change or expand their life. So, intention is a principle that rules my life. What was your intention for writing this book?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  After the fourth, fifth, sixth suicide happened in my life, my mother, my sisters, my uncle, two of my dearest friends.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  I really asked myself the question, what allowed me to survive?

• 4:58Oprah Winfrey?

  And brother and sister.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Brother and sister, brother and sister, mother, uncle, my two best friends. And of course, we probably get into this later, but intuition is a double edged. So I tend to bond with people who are struggling because I feel. When I say I feel your pain, I actually feel your pain.

• 5:17Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  And I asked myself the question, what allowed me to survive? Now, a lot of people over mystify intuition. They think, oh, it's intuition, you had the answers. But actually, having the answers doesn't make you survive. Having the data doesn't make you survive. There was something else. And I realized that as a small child, because of intuition, I had been given a system. And because.

• 5:44Oprah Winfrey?

  A system of survival.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Of survival and thriving. Because surviving in pain is not surviving. Enough pain and you can't do it anymore. And I was surrounded by the can't do it anymore. And because I got this system as a small child intuitively, it didn't really have words.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  But after my brother's suicide, but before my sister's, the words came up and they came on to a piece of paper. And this allowed me really to survive my sister's suicide. And it also gave me the explanation of what it takes for all of us to survive.

• 6:22Oprah Winfrey?

  When I was reading the book Prism, I was thinking, wow, that is a lot of people to commit a suicide in your life. And you write it and it's a sentence and I read it. And those of us who are reading the book, you read it and it's a sentence. But that is a lot of sorrow, a lot of grief, a lot of pain for you to get through that's capsulated in one sentence. How did you survive it?

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Well, you know, I think that, first of all, I think that the story of life is we do, we do experience these hits, but some of us.

• 6:57Oprah Winfrey?

  But that's a hit and another hit and another hit and another hit. And you have to at some point say, oh, is this, is this a part of my destiny too?

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not a believer in destiny. I believe the prism is, the message is you create today, right now, in this moment, you create your destiny. I didn't really have an ego and ego gets, you know, ego has a terrible rap. But ego are all the parts of self that allow you to take that universal energy and take experience and create your life. That's what the prism is.

• 7:31Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  I didn't have one, so I had to work really hard to, to develop one, which I really didn't develop until much later in life. This book is what, what I was given as kind of a prosthetic ego. Until I developed one. And it really has the, we're mechanical beings in a mechanical world. And this is, these are the rules. And those rules really did save my life.

• 7:59Oprah Winfrey?

  So you write, "I've been raped, molested, abandoned, beaten, hungry, shamed, criticized, and left alone."

• 8:11Oprah Winfrey?

  As I was saying, that's a very intense childhood trauma. And you say your intuition is what saved you. How can you explain?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Well, you know, part of what saved me was that my brain was so damaged that I didn't really experience the present. But what I did experience were almost instructions. Not instructions that I knew, but guidance that came through me. So I'm not wise. They didn't become a part of me.

• 8:40Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  They came through me. So when I was a five-year-old, alone in an apartment with three children, for really most of the time, I knew.

• 8:50Oprah Winfrey?

  And learning to do diapers at five years old and taking care of your siblings and all of that, yes.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  And which is, you know, isn't unlikely in many communities.

• 9:02Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  But I had no model for it.

• 9:04Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  And I had no adults, really. My mother was a manic depressive. You had to, I adored her, but you had to remind her to put clothes on to go out of the house. My father was a very violent physician, wonderful physician, very violent parent, and they lived next door, no connection. So because.

• 9:25Oprah Winfrey?

  Explain what you mean by next door.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  There was a separate apartment. You had to go out in a hallway and you had to ring the doorbell. It was locked. And maybe someone would answer, maybe someone wouldn't.

• 9:35Oprah Winfrey?

  So the children lived separately from the parents?

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Yes, the four of us. And we were four children in four and a half years. So when my mother, again, entered a mental hospital.

• 9:45Oprah Winfrey?

  And you all were put next door?

• 9:47Speaker 03

  We were next door, yeah. When my mother was hospitalized for the first time in my baby sister's life, she was six months old. So I was, I was five, and the youngest was six months old. When I think, I remember those yellow ducky pins, because yellow was my favorite. When I think of the number of times I stuck that poor child, putting on her diaper and, you know.

• 10:10Oprah Winfrey?

  Because you were left to take care of your child because your mother was across the hall, sometimes not being able to get out of the bed.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  And sometimes in a, in a institution.

• 10:19Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  So, and you know, it's interesting because. I, and I think this is true of many children, I didn't experience it as traumatic. You know, these are my siblings.

• 10:29Oprah Winfrey?

  You just experienced it as?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Home. This was my home.

• 10:31Oprah Winfrey?

  This is what you were doing.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  This was my mother, who I loved. Sometimes there was food. Sometimes people forgot. You know? Sometimes, you know, I had a third degree burn on my hand because you used to heat the bottle of water in a pan. And, you know, the water spilled because I was little. I was, I was still little, but I was really little. And, and something came through me. And people came around me, people who nobody else could see. And although it didn't become a part of me, it didn't become part of my prism, it came through me and just guided me to survive and help them survive.

• 11:12Oprah Winfrey?

  How long were you in that house, taking care of your siblings? With the, with your parents across the hall? Next door?

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I don't know if I took care of them as they got older. I think everyone got independent very fast. So anyone who wasn't a baby pretty much took care of themselves in different dysfunctional ways. But we lived like that till I was 17 years old. And then my father met someone and none of us had a place to live anymore, really. And.

• 11:38Oprah Winfrey?

  Because your mother died at 14?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  My mother killed herself two days after my 14th birthday. And, and everyone, my youngest sister, when he got remarried, was 12, I think. And we all found ourselves pretty much without a place to be.

• 11:54Oprah Winfrey?

  But there was a time, I don't know, I can't remember how old you were, what you talk about in the prism. There was a time when your mother had gone in the hospital for trying to commit suicide, and you willed her back. You were communicating with her when she was in a coma.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Yes. She was in a coma. And it was really the first time my intuition was clear to me. I, my father was out of the house. The police had come.

• 12:18Oprah Winfrey?

  How old were you?

• 12:19Speaker 03

  I think I was 11. I never remember. I always, in the book, I actually had to trace it back. I was 10 or 11. My, my mother had taken a massive overdose.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  She was in the apartment next door. It was locked. I didn't have a key. My grandmother had come because they had had a big fight. The police had come. My father was out of the house. The other kids went to camp. I, of course, never left my mother's side. You know, that was my job, was to take care of my mother. And I woke up and I thought to myself, she's dying. I went to the phone to do what I'd learned how to do by then, which was call the police. And they knew me at the precinct. They were like lovely. They would give me lollipops on the street. They were like really, you know.

• 13:00Oprah Winfrey?

  And was it your grandmother in the house who said, don't make that call because then the people will know our business?

• 13:05Speaker 03

  Yes, my grandmother, my grandmother said, she was furious. And she said, don't do that, you know, all the neighbors will know. And I looked at her and I didn't even realize this consciously. I said, the neighbors know.

• 13:16Oprah Winfrey?

  The neighbors already know.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, like, and frankly, it wasn't even embarrassing to me. These were our parents. This was my family. This was my life. So I called and they knocked, they either knocked down, I don't remember the details. They either knocked down the door or got the super, one or the other, to open it up. And literally, she had just stopped breathing. And when they say people are blue, she was blue. They took her out on stretchers. She was blue. They took her to Bellevue. My grandmother disappeared, didn't even show up. I followed on foot. It was right up First Avenue from my house, about 12 blocks. Sat in the emergency room in Mittens for days. And the staff would always say, who's your adult? And I would say, oh, my mom's here with me.

• 13:58Oprah Winfrey?

  But tell us about you willing your mother back. You could feel your mother was dying. And you were speaking to her while she was in the coma.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  All the time. And we had always telepathically spoken to each other. And I didn't think this was weird at all. So they finally called the chaplain. And I said, and I was very, you know, you're strong when you're, when you're a survivor. And I said, where, where is my mother? Why does she have a hole in her throat? You know, why is this machine doing this? What's the beeping sound? And he was, he was like, who let you into intensive care? Because you're not allowed in at that age. And I said, nobody. He said, well, how do you know that? Who told you? And I said, I see it here. Which, for me, I thought everyone saw it there. I didn't realize I was really different in any way.

• 14:47Oprah Winfrey?

  So you prefer to be called an intuitive rather than a psychic. What is the difference in your point of view?

• 14:53Speaker 03

  I think the word psychic magicalizes a very useful, verifiable, simple, human ability that is life-saving. And when you mystify something, it's great business. Spirituality is a billion-dollar industry. It's not great for people. Everybody has this ability. A tiny bit of information, a tiny change can change your entire life. And it's so important to engage in that change. And you can't find it inside of you. That's the great myth. If you had the answer, you would have answered the question. It's outside of you. It's in community. It's in self-help. It's in what you did for me the first time Demi dragged me 30 years ago out of my very

• 15:38Speaker 03

  isolated comfort zone and said, "You're going to do this show." And I didn't own a TV at the time. I mean, this was completely out of my realm.

• 15:46Oprah Winfrey?

  I'm so glad to spend this time with you here on the Oprah Podcast. I'm with intuitive Laura Day, who I originally met when Demi Moore brought her on The Oprah Show in the 90s. Next, Demi Moore joins us to share how her intuition guided her to pose for that iconic cover of Vanity Fair while she was seven months pregnant. We all remember that groundbreaking moment. It changed the way women saw their pregnancies forever. Stay with us.

• 16:45Oprah Winfrey?

  Welcome back to the Oprah Podcast. Intuitive Laura Day and I are discussing her new book, The Prism: A Seven-Step Roadmap to Heal Your Past and Transform Your Future.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  So I had written my first book, which I was-

• 16:59Oprah Winfrey?

  Practical intuition.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Practical intuition, which I was very in conflict about because I had been a test subject for a lot of research on intuition. So in the early 80s, universities, probably military-funded, were very interested on extrasensory perception. So the way that the human mind can travel into another person in time, in space, go into the future, they were interested in how the mind works and also how healing works, how focusing on something physical can change it. It started in Italy. It started with a man named Bruno Del Rosso, and he gathered a whole bunch of other people. And then word got around, and I was kind of passed around because I was in my early 20s and didn't really have a life, unlike the older people.

• 17:44Oprah Winfrey?

  You could locate things, they could give you coordinates, you could-

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I could predict things. I actually predicted many things in his life that came to pass. And the problem with prediction is you don't know you're right till it happens. But for me, I didn't realize that other people didn't do this. I thought everybody experienced it. You know, when you're 20, you think everyone experiences life the way you do.

• 18:07Oprah Winfrey?

  So the bottom line is, you were always guided by this instinctual feeling, and that instinctual feeling, that intuition, allowed you to save yourself and a family.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:21Oprah Winfrey?

  And it's so interesting. I really appreciate what you say in the book. One of the things I'd underline was when you say, "Our pathology can lead to our-

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Potential.

• 18:30Oprah Winfrey?

  A potential.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:32Oprah Winfrey?

  Our pathology can lead to our potential." And it's so interesting, and those of you who are listening and watching us right now, if you've been successful in your family, or haven't been successful in your family, you're the one who was successful and other people were not, or the opposite. It's so interesting how people raised in the same environment, under the same circumstances, some can make it and some cannot. Why is that?

• 18:59Speaker 03

  I think, you know, I

• 19:00Oprah Winfrey?

  Because they learned how to open the prism and others did not?

• 19:02Speaker 03

  I think that part of it's birth order. Part of it is, you know, my parents got sicker. You know, first birth orders are often the ones who survive.

• 19:12Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  But also, it is the way your brain is structured. It's the luck of the draw. My brain was not structured. I could probably walk into a wall and not notice it. But my brain was structured to get, if I had a question, the answer came through me. And

• 19:30Oprah Winfrey?

  Does that mean you have a special gift that the rest of us do not?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  It doesn't mean I have a special gift. It means that my pathology is that my brain is not good in the moment. I can't remember things.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  But it does, it can get that, the universal knowledge that most people don't.

• 19:48Oprah Winfrey?

  You are more attuned to your sixth sense than most of us are.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  I am not attuned to my physical senses, but they move around in time and space. So I have to really work hard to enjoy the pleasure of being in this interview with you. And, you know, seeing you after all this time. But in a second, if you asked me a question, my attention would go there, no matter where it was in time or who it was about. And I'd be able to get all of this information. It didn't help me in life. I mean, my brother, who's dead, graduated from Harvard and Stanford and UVA, all with degrees. I mean, he was the most brilliant math student at Stuyvesant, a school we all went to that's math and science. But, but he, he wasn't able to move out of his reality.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  And I think that that's true of many of us. Some of it, it really is the pathology being my potential. The fact that I can be not present. I don't have a solid prism in the moment, a solid eye. But, but I can get any information I need is, is, is a gift. Everyone has some of this. And you know what really helps it? Is when we're in communities, when we bump up against each other.

• 21:03Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  What Demi did for me in dragging me, literally she dragged me to your show. And you, you aren't going to remember this, but I was shaking like a leaf. And what, what you didn't know was I was in the middle of a terrible custody battle with no skills because I was, I had been 16 when I met my husband. So I was shaking like a leaf and you and Demi. Body heat sandwiched me. And you went out on stage. I don't even know if I said a word. You and Demi were a light in my prism. And that is why kindness is so important. That's why community is so important. We bump up against each other. And even if it's a hard bump, at least it shatters for a moment our old paradigm.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  And if your old paradigm isn't working for you, it's important to bump up into something new. Or you don't change. You do the same thing over and over and over again. You were my change. And that book, first time book, became a bestseller, allowed me to pay for my custody battle of my beautiful 30-year-old son. You know, allowed me to buy back my home. You know, really, you know, and to have a voice in the world and be able to offer something to others.

• 22:16Oprah Winfrey?

  I would say some significant things happened after that. As I said, we met on the Oprah Show. Demi was a guest and she introduced you. And Demi is joining us today. People still talk to me about that show. Hello.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  She loved, by the way, I don't know if you've had this experience of her.

• 22:34Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  But you will be, you know, with a face mask in bed during a stomach virus. And she still insists on FaceTime.

• 22:43Oprah Winfrey?

  I believe in it.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Hi, ladies.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  I'm just sitting here with rapt attention. I'm listening and enjoying your conversation. So thank you for allowing me to join.

• 22:54Oprah Winfrey?

  I want to know how meeting Laura changed your life, Demi.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Well, first I'll just say, you know, as a kid who moved around a lot, I didn't have a lot of anchor. Like when people say, oh, I've been friends since elementary school. I didn't have that. And, you know, you guys have been talking about, you know, the connection people make. Well, you know, I think Laura and I, as we got to know each other, we both realized that we had parents who died by suicide, that we were motherless daughters. And in our forging of a friendship, I think that we were creating an extension of family. We were sharing in, you know,

• 23:43Speaker 04

  the growth of our family, the ups and downs of relationships.

• 23:46Oprah Winfrey?

  I want to know, though, what knowing her has taught you about? Tuning in and trusting your own intuition.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  I mean, I think that that was one of the things that, first of all, moved me so much in practical intuition is that, you know, Laura has a very targeted gift, which is why she does so well in with these big corporations with really high stakes. But where her real heart and soul lies is actually in helping others to develop their own, to empower them, to connect deeper with themselves and their own ability. And I think a lot of, you know, what's emerged for me is really that idea. Laura said to me long ago, you know, when you take your intuition, which in fact, we do have, we may not have it to the level that Laura has, but we do all have it.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  And we put that against fact and logic, we will have our strongest, you know, answer. And so I feel like that a lot of times, especially now, it's really, it's taking what my own gut, my own intuition is, and sometimes, and being able to check that with someone else, almost being able to exercise it like a muscle. It really is like a muscle. I really have to, you know, and in the early days, when my kids were small, we used to play intuition games, sometimes over football, which of course, I didn't know who any player

• 25:23Speaker 04

  was, I only played based on the game's colors. Who's the team? What's the colors? So, because I had no stake in it, so that I could then see how accurate I was. And Laura does a lot of that work with her students, and that was a lot of kind of the give and take.

• 25:41Oprah Winfrey?

  Well, have you ever ignored Laura or your own intuition and later regretted it? Because I ask that question because I am where I am in my life because I am guided by that intuition. And every decision I ever made that brought me progress or success came from my intuition. I mean, I remember when I was a young girl, the first time I heard it was when I was, I remember hearing it, I was a young girl watching my grandmother hang clothes on a line. And she had the clothespins in her mouth and it was cold and I could see the breath. And she said, "You better watch me do this because one day you're gonna have to learn to do this for yourself."

• 26:24Oprah Winfrey?

  And I didn't know it was called intuition. The voice inside me said, "No, you won't." The voice inside me said, "No, you won't." And it was so strong that I started to listen to that thing, that voice. And that voice has guided me, that voice guided me to Chicago. When everybody else said I would fail by going to Chicago, that voice said, "No, you won't." And so, the only time I have ever been unsuccessful in my life is when I did not listen to that voice.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  I feel the same way. And I think the only time that I haven't listened to my intuition really speaks to what Laura, what the Prism is all about, which is when I didn't value myself enough that my own vessel was cluttered and thereby I couldn't trust what I was getting. I didn't have enough sense of myself to trust what was coming in.

• 27:25Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  And I think, you know, I'm so grateful that I've had the opportunity to work with mentors, work with people, work with Laura. And for those who don't, I feel like having this roadmap that allows you to kind of get in there because... You know, once your container is clear, once you've untethered from those traumas that are clouding your perception, the clarity that comes through, it becomes so... It's like almost things move with just absolute ease and grace.

• 28:02Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes, it means you're literally in the flow of life. Don't you feel like it's like you're in the stream of life, you're in the flow of life, rather than struggling against the tide of your life?

• 28:14Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. It's like that if you're working... Like, if I've ever been working on something and it's like putting a square peg in a round hole, where it's just not... It's not about not working hard, because working hard feels great.

• 28:30Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  But it's when something... Then it's like the signs are saying to you, maybe this isn't where you're meant to be.

• 28:37Oprah Winfrey?

  Because you're out of alignment, yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  But I also think that one of the ways that you're such a good example of the prism is that when you haven't been doing one thing, you've been doing another. You haven't neglected the prism of your life and your being, all of the different parts. So because you're public, and I know you very intimately, sometimes publicly they'll think, "Oh, what's she doing? Where'd she go? It's been a while." But I know you're doing a million things you wanted to do, you needed to do, you had to show up for, for other people. And I think that that is such an important part of the prism. And part of the things that people don't see in celebrity, they see like when a magazine covers you or a movie comes out, but they don't see how much work

• 29:24Speaker 03

  and how much achievement you do and have done in so many other parts of your life, including a New York Times bestseller.

• 29:29Oprah Winfrey?

  Well, New York Times bestseller is one thing, but may I say this? I say this every time I encounter Demi.

• 29:37Oprah Winfrey?

  Did me change the way the world saw pregnant women? And I don't even, what year was that? That Annie Leibowitz cover?

• 29:46Speaker 04

  Um, let's see, 90, 91.

• 29:49Oprah Winfrey?

  Before 1991, y'all, all of you who are watching, who are younger or listening to us, women wore maternity clothes. There were like, you would cover up your pregnancy. You were not allowed to, not, you didn't feel like-

• 30:03Speaker 04

  There was a still sense of, there was still a kind of a shroud of shame that you had had sex.

• 30:10Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes, yes.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  I always, I always said it used to be like you were celebrated when you let everyone know that you were going to have a baby and you were celebrated once the baby arrived. But there was a point in that, and as your, as your body grew, that you were then supposed to cover up. And if you think about it, like going way back to the 50s and literally up and really, I would say until the, the beginning of the 90s, that they had these like Peter Pan collars.

• 30:40Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  You're like trying to portray virginity.

• 30:44Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes, yes. So tell me, what caused you to instinctively know that that was the right decision to make? Because at the time, it was a gasping, bold, bodacious move that you're on the cover of Vanity Fair with your entire belly out.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  I think it goes back to what you were saying about that moment with your grandmother, which is, in that moment, it was really about, like for me, life is all about transformation and, and growth. And that everything else is in service to that. And so for me, it was a moment of really wanting to just authentically express how I was feeling as a, as a pregnant woman.

• 31:30Oprah Winfrey?

  Wow.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  That was, that I didn't understand why it was supposed to be hidden or not celebrated or, and so, um, it's not like I set out to go, I'm making a big feminist statement or it was really about my own-

• 31:48Speaker 04

  I think it was about trying to claim more of myself.

• 31:52Oprah Winfrey?

  Wow.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Because as I've shared and as Laura knows, you know, I didn't come from having a lot of me. You know, so everything was in trying to find that and then express it as genuinely as I possibly could. And you know, it's like it came in. And you know, when we did the photo, by the way, it was done for me. It was not for the magazine.

• 32:16Oprah Winfrey?

  Really?

• 32:17Speaker 04

  That was for my family. Annie had photographed me my first pregnancy and we were grabbing it at the very end of the shoot. And so when they called me two weeks later, and I had said when we were shooting, boy, wouldn't it be amazing if they, if they had the courage to do this? And, and she called me two weeks later saying, hey, would I, how would I feel? And it, it, you know, it just, it felt right. I, it's not like, it's like some, when the intuition comes in, it just touches your knowing.

• 32:48Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  You don't have to believe it. You don't have to try to make yourself get it. It's just there. You know it.

• 32:54Oprah Winfrey?

  I'm so glad you chose to spend your time here on the Oprah Podcast. When we come back, New York Times bestselling author Laura Day shares how her intuitive gifts saved her from a chaotic and unstable childhood.

• 33:08Speaker 01

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• 33:28Oprah Winfrey?

  I so appreciate you spending part of your day here with me. I'm with New York Times bestselling author and intuitive Laura Day. Laura's longtime friend, Demi Moore, is now joining us to talk about how intuition has guided her through the ups and downs of her boundary pushing career and personal life. So you weren't going through should I, should I not, should I, I don't know, could I, what are people going to think? What, that's because, you're right. When the intuition is right, you know it. You know it.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  You know it.

• 33:57Oprah Winfrey?

  You know, again, I say you revolutionized that. And I don't, I don't know if, you know, younger people understand that you, that it all started with you and that cover. So we have you to thank for that.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Well, I'm grateful, like, it's like one of those moments where I'm grateful and, and the gift of what it gave me, the, of how it enriched me by kind of taking ownership of kind of who I was, what my experience was. And every time, by the way, now that I see someone do a picture where they're celebrating

• 34:31Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 34:32Speaker 04

  their body, I, like, it just fills me with such joy.

• 34:35Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  Really, I feel so deeply humbled by it.

• 34:39Oprah Winfrey?

  You say that she's an intuitive for you? How is that?

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Well, you know, we have, the reason I write self-help is we don't see what we don't see. We live in our blind spots.

• 34:49Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  And she will fracture my prism. I mean, she is one bossy girl. She will say the same way she, I didn't know what a talk show was when I went on Oprah 30 years ago. I, she will.

• 35:02Oprah Winfrey?

  Did you know she was that, that frightened about being there?

• 35:06Speaker 04

  I mean, I have seen Laura grow tremendously. When we first met, for Laura to be out in the world was very difficult. Like, it, like, to be out was, you know, it, it's almost like imagining, like, what it would be like for us to go out with our skin off.

• 35:23Oprah Winfrey?

  Ah.

• 35:24Speaker 04

  Like navigating so much information, so much, you know, energy that was kind of coming. And so getting her out of the house, you know, getting her out into the world was not an easy task.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  And so, and so to have this book, and I think what motivated her is that she really wanted to share this message of her book. And, and, you know, and so.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  No, honey, I wrote the book in the comfort of my bed. What motivated me is you showed up at my door and put me on a plane and took me to Chicago and got makeup on me and you introduced me to this fabulous woman and. You guys literally tag teamed me. And it was, it was amazing. But you knew that I, I was going to not just wither, but that I was not going to get my message out. And also, to be honest, I was going to lose my son if I didn't make a huge amount of money to be able to fight for his safety. You, you, you're, you knew that intuitively. And so you made me do what I didn't have the vision to do for myself.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  And made me is, I'm not using that euphemistically. She literally made me.

• 36:41Oprah Winfrey?

  Well, you knew that she was pregnant with her second child before she did.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  See, I have no memory. Part of my ADHD.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what she said, Oprah. So I was working on a film and I was at, and you know, I was asking her some questions and, um, and she said, she just stopped in her tracks and she said, if you don't want to get pregnant, you better be really careful because I see this coming. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's off in Italy shooting a movie.

• 37:12Oprah Winfrey?

  Bruce was.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  And then literally a month later, guess who? But it was a shock. It was, I, it was not, I wasn't a hundred percent expecting that, but it definitely 100% came true.

• 37:25Oprah Winfrey?

  Thank you so much. Thank you, Demi. Thank you. I always love talking with you. So let's talk about the ego. You've learned that it's possible to actually change our ego?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Yes, our ego is our structure. So our ego starts at conception with our genetics and our in utero experience. And you're locked and loaded by age seven. And your ego is anything that says, I, I want, I love, I hate, I choose, I direct.

• 37:54Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  So that structure that really is you, but also what, how you create your life, you can change that from the moment it's set. And it is set at age seven. And that's developmental psychology. I didn't come up with that. But working with tens of thousands of students, I have observed that that is true. Sometimes we bump up against people and experiences that impact us in a way that causes change, like Demi dragging me on your show. And sometimes we are forced to look for it because something's missing in our lives.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Because if your ego was properly formed, and that is true of some people, then you're resilient and you're adaptive. It doesn't mean bad things don't happen, but it means you bounce back because the parts of self know how to use what's around you. If it wasn't properly formed by age seven, then you need something outside of yourself to guide you. But the good news is, not only can you choose, but because we are intricate systems within another intricate system of our world and relationships, a tiny little change, and I always use the red dress example, since I wrote that article for you, just even wearing

• 39:17Speaker 03

  a color you never wear, a tiny little change, changes the world's response to you, and you change. Change is much easier than we think.

• 39:26Oprah Winfrey?

  So when we shared on the Oprah Podcast Instagram page that Laura would be here, we were flooded with questions for her. No surprise there. Sabah is the mother of an eight-year-old daughter, joining us from outside Chicago. Hi Sabah, what is happening with you? Can you tell us?

• 39:41Speaker 05

  Hi Oprah, hi Laura. Thank you both for allowing me the space to share my story and for talking with me. My partner and I have been together for 10 years, and we have a child together. And I've done a lot of inner healing work, like what you were a little bit talking about before, recently, over the past few years. And so I'm a little torn. For years, I've carried the emotional weight and the financial responsibility, and I encouraged my partner to go back to school and to grow and meet me. Um, and to his credit, he has in this past year, he has gone back to school and he's also

• 40:26Speaker 05

  stepped up um and contributed financially more than he ever has. Um, but the truth is, it came after years of like waiting, hoping and asking. And although I celebrate all these things, um, I also feel emotionally drained. Um, and this isn't about him being enough or not, it's it's not. But I do feel like we're growing in two separate directions. And so my question for Ms. Laura Day is, how do I distinguish between

• 41:00Speaker 05

  intuitive truth and fear when considering to uh, stay and hope for growth or to lovingly let go and create a new chapter for myself and my child?

• 41:10Speaker 03

  Before I speak, I want to say this is one intuitive's perception and you should never give your power away to anybody.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  One of the ways I use the prism is I look at what is this really about? And my sense is that what this is really about is that you want a passion, a creativity, you want the reward for your hard work. And that it is really okay, and sometimes very healing, to be lovingly done. And done, because I see that at the second, the second ego center right below your navel is nourishment, creativity and abundance. And I think that you are tired of wearing navy blue, you want to wear some pink, you want to dance in the tutu.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  You want to be alive and that, by the way, is not only okay, it's healthy, life sustaining and a very good example for your child. I I don't think the issue is whether your intuition, intuition doesn't tell you, intuition just gives you data.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  What you know is that you're done. And now, how can you be done in a way that's nourishing? You don't have to sit in your grief. Let's make this into a goal, which is what the prism asks you to do. Sitting in your grief just gives you more grief. What is the goal? You clearly value this person. You value your family. You value this relationship. You value also the support to be able to be a go-getter in the world. Like, there are things also, if you think of them, and this I never do in public. If you think of them, there are things you value that you are getting. So what I would do is switch the target to, should I stay or should I go?

• 43:04Speaker 03

  To, how do we evolve this relationship in a way that's supportive for this family we've put so much work into? And I would do the second ego center. And the second ego center is about, one of the healings for the second ego center, which will build abundance and build your creativity, your ability to take what you have and make what you want, which is what you want to do, is pleasure. My suggestion to you is in everything, including your interaction with this person, your daughter, your whatever. Get out of that paradigm, that thought paradigm. Where is the pleasure? Go toward the pleasure, healthy pleasure, you know?

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Go toward the pleasure, but also embrace that you've already... When I sense you intuitively, you love this person. You love your family. You care, but you have made this choice. So don't keep yourself stuck. And you don't have to do everything tomorrow. I sense you have a partner who's willing to work with you. They just don't want to be cast into the snow. So, you know, you'll work together and there'll be bumps. And I think he needs to find his ego center, and he needs to find that for himself. And it shouldn't be attached to what you need from him, because actually, you don't need any of that. It should be attached to who he wants to be or doesn't want to be.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  So, separate that out. You cannot be in relationship if you're merged, right? So, a different relationship, but an unmerging.

• 44:40Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah. How do we evolve this relationship? How does this sit with you, Sabah?

• 44:46Speaker 05

  It just, it's incredible, like, just hearing Laura's story and like, I just even after hearing her story and how she read me, it feels like she knew what I already knew

• 45:00Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  deep inside and I just wanna take that action. Um, and the creativity part just speaks volumes because I have kind of put myself in a box

• 45:12Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  for a very long time.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  But you know what? Your box has not been a mistake. Your box has been life-saving.

• 45:18Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 05

  Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

• 45:21Oprah Winfrey?

  Oh, you know what I wanted to say too, just in reading about your story? I think you've been stuck in the guilt of the shared history. The shared history and hard to release that in a way that allows you to do exactly what Laura said. But you should see the way your face lit up when she said it. You knew it was the truth when she said it, when she said, the question isn't, you know, whether or not you go or stay because you already know that you are done. You already know that you're done. Look at you, you, you know it. You already know that you're done.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  With the old paradigm, but not with the new one.

• 45:58Oprah Winfrey?

  Yes.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  You, and that's twice.

• 46:00Oprah Winfrey?

  So how do you evolve this relationship into something that is great for you, your daughter, and for him? That is the question.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  How do you all evolve? Not on you, girl.

• 46:10Oprah Winfrey?

  Not on you.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  You are on you. Your daughter's on you. He's on him and I think he'll, I think he'll rise to that challenge. Don't tolerate anger. That's what a therapist is for. You deal with your stuff elsewhere. You don't bring it under your roof.

• 46:25Oprah Winfrey?

  Okay.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Right.

• 46:26Oprah Winfrey?

  Thank you, Sabah. Thank you, Sabah.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Thank you, Laura.

• 46:30Oprah Winfrey?

  That was great. That was great. I could feel that. I could feel that that was true. Hi there. Thank you for being here with me. Next, Intuitive Laura Day shares more insights with guests who are facing a crossroads in their lives. Maybe you'll recognize some of your own story in theirs.

• 46:49Oprah Winfrey?

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• 47:31Oprah Winfrey?

  Hi Oprah and Laura, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, so I graduated from Harvard last May. I'm currently an investment banking analyst and I'm wrapping up my first year of a two year program. Prior to finance, my background was actually mostly in writing and reporting and I studied communities at school, so I mostly worked with that side of my brain. And the reason I actually went into this job was exactly for that, to push myself and to try to use that other side of my brain and build a new skill set. And I do feel really good about my initial decision to come here and I actually think I followed whispers to get here in the first place. But I recently, now that I've kind of adjusted to the role, I started to feel, you know, what

• 48:12Oprah Winfrey?

  could only be described as just a strong itch, just to kind of switch gears and perhaps be something more social, creative and mission driven, you know, more connected with my strengths and passions. And I do use the word whispers, intuition interchangeably, language I of course got from you Oprah. And as the whispers kind of get louder and louder, I'm now really paying attention to them and my questions are more now the what and the when, what to, how to kind of look at what I should be doing next and, you know, how to look at timing. And I've been seeking and honestly praying for clarity, so I'm just really grateful to be here today.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Again, this is one intuitive's experience. Never give your power away. When I look at your prism, I go right to your first ego center, the base of your spine. That is really, I think of it as, welcome, earthling, you are home. And what you get from it is power, but it references your structure. My sense is that you've kind of never felt you were home. You have so much drive and knowing and excitement that even with people you've loved

• 49:33Speaker 03

  and who've loved you, there's always been a little bit of standing out and feeling it wasn't okay to stand out. Like, you want to be in the structure. You want to be, excuse this phrase, a good girl. But there's so much in you that's so vibrant and wants to explode it all. My sense is that this is a great impulse, a wrong interpretation. It's very, you are a structured person. As much as you want to be free, the one, you know, flying and dancing, you are a structured person. And that structure ultimately is going to give you the power to do whatever you want.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  I also, I think to not finish what you start is a very bad example for your energy. I think my gut is that finishing the program, it'll be over before you know it, finishing the program is something that's important to do. Do I see you doing this as part of your future? No. Do I see you being like the agent who went to law school but didn't become a lawyer and using this as part of your bare skin to make the rest of your life easier in what you want to do next? Absolutely. For some reason, I see you doing something very public. I see you, I see you like in the public eye, not as a, not as what you would think a Harvard

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Graduate does, but but having a very public life. I think this gives you the gravitas and the structure to feel then like you can do that in a couple of years. So that would be my gut. I think that if you don't do this, you will find, you know, I think a lot of this, it's more than just this question. You're questioning everything. You're questioning relationship. You're questioning what kind of family you want. You're questioning where you want to live. You're questioning maybe your old vision of certain people. There's a lot of questioning you're doing. And by the way, that's a sign of intelligence and courage go you. I would do the first ego center, which is all about, am I in the right place with the

• 51:44Speaker 03

  right people, which not should I change the program, but literally in where you are right now, how do you finish your program in a way that edifies you, that makes you feel at home? How do you really use your power in different situations that are right in front of you? And how do you also use your discipline to work on what you think might be this dream or might be that dream? I wrote every book except for this one in one hour a day before my son woke up. You know, anything you want to do, you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater to do it. This will be helpful to you in the future, but also changing it brings up a whole host of problems you don't need to deal with. Is that helpful?

• 52:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. That's fascinating. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that advice, especially what you said about finding a home.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  And I want to say one more thing. I think someone a couple of years ago, who you really cared about and felt very connected to, laid a judgment on you that tarnished a little bit all the things that are strong and fabulous, that your warrior you. Warriors are sexy. Warriors are beautiful. Warriors are fabulous. And people's judgments are just people's judgments.

• 53:03Oprah Winfrey?

  So much. Wow. That was fascinating. Fascinating. Laura Day. Thank you, Alex. Thank you. Thank you so much. Crystal told us she's at a crossroads in her life. Crystal, what's going on?

• 53:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you, Oprah. Hi, Laura.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  So I guess first, let me start with some context. I grew up in a really small town in Mississippi, one stoplight, had amazing supportive.

• 53:25Oprah Winfrey?

  What is the name of the town? What's the town?

• 53:27Speaker 05

  Collinsville, Mississippi, right outside of Meridian.

• 53:29Oprah Winfrey?

  Oh, I know where that is.

• 53:31Speaker 05

  And so grew up with parents who are the byproduct of the deep South and all that comes with that. They worked one job their entire life, like my dad, who worked at a plant to be able to provide for my sister and I. And I was the first daughter. I was the first granddaughter and so first everything. And so they were really, really supportive, but also very protective. And so this manifested, like when I was getting ready to go to college, I proudly told my family I was going to major in business finance. And I remember grandmother sternly saying, well, if you major in business, make sure you get your teaching certificate because schools will always need teachers and you'll always have a job. And make sure you keep playing the piano because churches always need organ players.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  And then when I graduated, started in corporate America, I was accepted into business school four years later. Excited to go to Duke, called my parents and they were like, are you sure about that? You got a good job. Don't you leave that good paying job with benefits? And so they were really loving, but they were safe and they prioritized practical over purpose. And so now 15 years later into my career, I feel like I'm at this inflection point where I can see where I've laid down my passions, like girls' education and leadership in the South. And on top of that, I am turning 40 this year. And if I'm honest, I'm a little scared because I see two paths.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  I see the, the safe path, prioritizing financial security and retirement. And I see the go for gusto path. And I just really in this next season of my life, want to walk in purpose and what God has for me. And so my question is, how do I honor my parents and grandparents who have, who have now passed? But I am trying to develop my deep sense of intuition because I've lost my voice. I can't hear it anymore.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  She took my, you took my line away. You know yourself so much.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  How do I silence the noise? Yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  You. You know yourself so much better than you think. First of all, 40, I could have birthed you twice. But you, so I, again, I don't hear the stories because of the way I process, but I looked at you in my way. And I thought, this isn't a job. This isn't a decision about path or job or what. This is a decision, and you named it. You're so intuitive. Trust yourself. And I don't believe in trust, but you have proof now. I'm about to give it to you. This is a fifth ego center issue. The issue of voice, conversation, and leadership. So the way, you know, we often foil ourselves by decisions.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  The, I think part of the problem, and I want to take this apart for you. Part of the problem is on the job, you don't actually feel you have an authentic voice on the job. You have a voice. You are able to accomplish things. You're effective. But there is a way that you've adapted your voice, frankly, in a way you didn't have to, or you don't have to anymore, that, that, that doesn't sit right with you. And I think that this comes up as an issue. This came up as an issue in an interaction. I'm not good with time, but I think about five or four, five, six months ago.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  This came up as an issue, which has galvanized this for you. Before I address your situation, I want to say, the first thing you need to do just to heal at the fifth ego center is you need to find a way to change the conversation. We don't leave those conversations. We're women. We're warriors. We change them. And you let a conversation go, which was not okay, should not be let go, and you actually can change it. So if you're going to take the risk, you take the risk first by changing that conversation. I think it is, so that's step one, okay? And you're going to do, you're going to do the fifth ego center in the book. Step two, fifth ego center still.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  Is I agree with you that you are ready to embrace leadership with people that you want to be in conversation with. And you know, what's lovely about you is you are a leader and a teacher. You want to be in conversation with everyone. But then when people don't converse in a appropriate way or respectful way, and you are unable to use your leadership and your voice to correct that, that's, I mean, that's, woo, I can feel that issue. It's like a porcupine in my hands. So my suggestion is that you, A, address that conversation, address the other suggestions in the fifth ego center.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Just pick one, and I always say, pick the one that doesn't resonate, that makes you laugh, to say, oh, really, that? Because that's outside of the box of your prism that doesn't change. Right? That one that you ridicule, as long as it's safe, that's the one to do. I also think, though, and I think you've already begun to do this, you should embrace leadership more, both by addressing the situation and take that risk. And if it blows up, it blows up, and you've got your answer, right? But, but also by, because I do see ultimately, you will be a leader, but don't be a leader by giving up your power. You know, be a leader within your power.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  So I bet you, you can address this, you can keep what you're doing, you can be, believe me, you're a headhunter's dream. Headhunter's dream. I would actually get in touch with headhunters before you address, and we know what I'm talking about, right? Before you address that, I would get in touch with the headhunter. But I think you should also notice in every place in your life, including in like making dinner, where can you exercise your leadership? Because it will, when you have that energy, it's interesting how those opportunities come to you. It's a kind of active telepathy in the world. It's what people call manifestation. I hate that word because it's a very magic-y word.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  But you make things happen by being what it is you're doing. So that's my suggestion.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  Thank you, thank you.

• 59:49Oprah Winfrey?

  I just wanted to share with you too. I come from a similar family, raised in Mississippi, raised in Nashville, raised in Milwaukee by a single mother. And for my whole life, even in Baltimore, when I was a young reporter in Baltimore, making 22, then 25,000, then $50,000 a year, my father said, "Girl, don't you ever give up that job. Don't you give up that job because nobody's ever gonna, nobody's ever gonna pay you $50,000 a year, you know, for going to a job and you work, working, you know, a week and you get paid $50,000 a year, don't..." So if I had listened to that voice, his voice, not my own, if I continued to listen to his voice and not my own,

• 1:00:33Oprah Winfrey?

  I never would have taken the leap to Chicago. So what I know is that our parents, our grandparents, coming from lack and a desire for a life that they couldn't even imagine that you're living right now. They couldn't even imagine the life that you're living right now. They laid the foundation for your dreams and for you to soar. But there are words that are still ringing in your head. That's their words. That's not your life. That's why when my grandmother said, "You better watch me because one day you're gonna learn to do this," I knew, I felt instinctively, that's your life, Grandma. That's not gonna be my life. And so, being able to listen to the voice inside yourself

• 1:01:17Oprah Winfrey?

  that allows you to live, they're your life. And you, by living your life and being the best and greatest and fulfilling your potential, you have served them. You have honored them. You have done that.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  Amen.

• 1:01:31Oprah Winfrey?

  You have.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  Well, this is a lot. I, this entire episode, both of you talking about your grandmothers, there, and Laura, the exact conversation you're talking about five months ago, I know exactly what you're referring to and helping me find my voice in leadership. So this is, this has been an entire conversation of ahas and oohs. This, it resonates very deeply.

• 1:01:53Oprah Winfrey?

  We don't know what y'all are talking about, but that's okay.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  But you know, the other thing, and you know what?

• 1:01:58Oprah Winfrey?

  I don't know what she's talking about five months ago.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Your private should be your private. But one of the other things I want to tell you is, interpersonally, if you deal with voice there...

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  You'll also be able to deal with voice in that other situation, which will take you to your fourth ego center of value and being valued and having dignity because you do know how to deal with grief. And it's often, it's interesting when we deal with that grief, how sometimes what we're grieving comes back to us. But the fact that valuing ourself is really important. And I think, I agree with you, Oprah. The best way to honor all those people in your history is to live your life.

• 1:02:42Oprah Winfrey?

  To live your life, live your life. Thank you, Kristin.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:02:46Oprah Winfrey?

  Thank you. Thank you, Laura. So Laura, what is one step that anybody can take today to use their intuition in order to change the course of their life?

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  You know, the most important step is such a simple one, which is have goals. I start the prison by asking you to just define three goals.

• 1:03:05Oprah Winfrey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  And then to document. You know, we live in this mishmash, like a stew that's been on the pot too long and you can't tell the carrots from the beef. It's really important to notice that out of the blue things, all of a sudden, you see the same poster 20 times. What is it actually saying? The person pops into your head that you haven't thought about in 10 years. Do something about it. It's not about thinking differently, knowing yourself differently. It's about doing one little thing differently, and it can change your entire life. A miracle does take a moment.

• 1:03:44Oprah Winfrey?

  Ah, I love that. And I also love the pathology is your potential.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  And it really, I make, my, my son laughs at me. Because he says, listen, Ma, you make a great living doing something half the world doesn't believe in from your bed that you don't like to leave. Like.

• 1:04:02Oprah Winfrey?

  That's a good life. That's a good life. I was gonna ask, what's the definition of a good life, do you think? What is the definition of a life well-lived?

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  I think it's different for every single person. It is being separate, being a real I, because we are spirit. Spirit is regressive. We are one. It's much harder to be a person, a person, and to then find your place where you both, where the world has, needs what you want, and you need what you're given. So find your place in the world, that wonderful, that wonderful exchange.

• 1:04:39Oprah Winfrey?

  Thank you, Laura Day. The book is called Prism: Seven Steps to Heal Your Past and Transform Your Future. It's available anywhere you buy books. A heartfelt thanks to you for spending time with us here. I hope you'll be inspired to pay close attention to that voice inside you. And I'll talk to you again next week. Go well. You can subscribe to the Oprah Podcast on YouTube and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. I'll see you next week. Thanks, everybody.