“Designed To Hurt Trump” - Jordan Goudreau & Operation Gideon: The Plot To Take Out Maduro | PBD Podcast | Ep. 677

Patrick Bet-David sits down with former Green Beret Jordan Goudreau, the man behind the failed Operation Gideon, to discuss his alleged mission to remove Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro. Goudreau reveals details on his recruitment, CIA involvement, Trump-era politics, and the civil war within the U. S. government he claims set him up. ----- 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  The bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House.

• 0:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think is really the motive behind closed doors?

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Let's cut through all the narrative. He's trying to secure it for a possible escalation of war with Russia-China.

• 0:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're flying over Venezuela, they're blowing up boats just to say, here's what we're doing.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  But I was recruited to do this, to facilitate the capture of Nicolas Maduro.

• 0:57Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record, what it is, and you know you're playing with fire.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  The highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do, I do it.

• 1:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Where would the payment come from, from whom?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  It was told to me that the United States.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  The contract that he signed is public with you?

• 1:16Speaker 01

  It's public.

• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  $212.9 million over the course of the term. What's the closest you ever got to Maduro?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  I was getting reports on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was, Patrick.

• 1:26Patrick Bet-David?

  As close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him out, you could?

• 1:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to preface a few things before you watch this interview because it's going to be weird. You're going to see a man in a parking lot outside of a homeless shelter who's about to go to court, wearing a nice suit, that could be facing jail time because of the... Leader he was on Operation Gideon that was supposed to go and take out Maduro and take out, when I asked him, take out, does it mean you gotta kill him? He says, no, I'm not a mercenary, I'm not this, although a lot of people say he's a mercenary. I told him if he's got a PMC, private military contractor, which a lot of places claimed that his company that he ran was a private military contractor. He says, no, I'm not. But he, you know, he allegedly was supposed to go out, he puts a group together of 60 guys, eight of which that get killed by Maduro. A couple of the guys end up doing time, they

• 2:26Patrick Bet-David?

  were supposed to do 20 years, end up doing three years in prison in Venezuela. And there was a lot of weird questions, you know, back and forth of things that happened, the names he dropped, the involvement of Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence knew about this, the CIA knew about this, you know, multiple handlers that came up, multiple meetings. He's got a contract that was signed by Juan Guaido and others, where he's sitting there in a room with the former president of Colombia and the former president allegedly for a minute of Venezuela, and they agree to pay him 212.9 million dollars in multiple payments of finding a way to eliminate Maduro and eliminate to him, didn't mean to kill him. Like I said, very, very

• 3:08Patrick Bet-David?

  weird interview. They approached us, we thought about it, we agreed to do it because I believe everybody's innocent until proven guilty, and if the court thinks he's guilty, then he's guilty, but at least let's hear him out. It is a very, very, it's such an entertaining, interesting story that a documentary even just came out about him a month ago. I think the executive producer is Adam McKay that did the documentary. So, having said that, I want you to know this before you watch the interview with Jordan Goodrow.

• 4:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so we got a special show for you here today with Jordan Gudrow. If we can see Jordan Gudrow's video. Jordan is... Jordan, if you don't mind before we even get started on why you're outside in the video doing this interview, you having been the person that did Operation... Let me just kind of tell the audience so we know. Operation Gideon, which in October of 2019, Venezuelan opposition reached out to you, Juan Guaido at that time, Guaido at that time, with an offer of $212 million, $213 million for Silvercorp, which was, I believe, a PMC, private military contractor, to go out there and help them provide services.

• 4:49Patrick Bet-David?

  In doing so, to eliminate Maduro, which at the time even, you know, the US had recognized Guaido as the new president of Venezuela. All this stuff was taking place. And then you had to put a team together to go out there and do this. And then eventually, we all saw this on TV. Multiple people caught. The Venezuelan government announced that they had killed quite a few of them that tried to go there on, I believe, a couple of different boats. But today, now, we were supposed to do this live. Jordan, first of all, welcome to the podcast. But can you share with the audience why you're doing the podcast from a parking lot?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Thanks, Patrick. Yeah, no, I think the... I mean, people talk about lawfare all the time. I think this is the epitome of lawfare. I have been relegated to a homeless shelter, a VA homeless shelter. When I was in a hearing yesterday, the judge looked over to my attorney, and Maricel DeScalzo, who's incredible, by the way, and asked, "Why, Mr. Gudrow? Why can't he just stay in an apartment? Why I have to stay at this homeless shelter, which I've been here, fighting to stay here for the last, I don't know, five months?" And my attorney turned to the prosecutor and said, "Because they won't let him. They won't let him stay in just an apartment like a regular individual." The prosecution lost the very first bond hearing.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  The lawyer who was in charge at the time, she had joked about putting, you know, Jeremy Brown and bragging about how she got Jeremy Brown in jail and another Green Beret, and they laughed about how I would be their third Green Beret that they would put in jail. The lawyer, the very first prosecutor, he actually stabbed the guy in Tampa. His name was Patrick Struggs. You can pull the video up. It's absolutely insane. And then after that, four prosecutors wouldn't touch this case for four years until a Williams and Connolly prosecutor, one of the Clinton prosecutors, who happened just to be in the middle district of Florida, decided to take the case right before the run-up to the US election. How convenient.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I am essentially a Trojan horse for the Trump administration. And I think, listen, let me go, let me roll back to the intro and like what you said about Operation Gideon, which was never Operation Gideon. It was always Operation Edgemont. But what I'll say about it is that's a beautiful CIA narrative. That's a beautiful CIA narrative. The CIA spun a tremendous narrative with the help of the AP, with the help of Rolling Stone Magazine, Vice, this documentary movie that came out. If you, if you, if you look at, if you, if you read all of that, all of those articles and from back then, I think, yeah, and the Wikipedia page, yeah, I think that would be, that's a pretty tremendous narrative.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  The truth, however, is encapsulated in all the documents that are in the discovery, which me and my, my, my illegal team have been pouring over for the last, oh, I don't know, over a year now. Interestingly enough, there's a, there's a journalist named Ryan Morgan, who works at the Epoch Times, and he, he wrote an article about nine months ago that, or sorry, about, it was probably about, you know, nine months ago now, that they won't publish because it's too damaging to, I guess, institutions in the United States. But the discovery speaks for itself, Patrick. And let me just, let me just. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for the courage to have to have me on.

• 8:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Jordan, if you don't mind, just do me a favor. If you don't mind, just take it from the top. Assume the audience has no clue what we're talking about. I I have all your stuff that you've sent. I've read all the timeline. I've read all the names being involved. I got everything with Pompeo, with Pence, with Juan Guaido, with with everybody that I've read everything you've sent over. Anything I can get my hands on, I've read. But take a moment and tell the audience who you are, what you did, and how you got into the situation that you're in right now.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Right, so. So I'm not a mercenary, right? Everybody wants to say I'm a mercenary. I'm a strategist. So let me give you the 30 second brief on my career. I was a. I've been a soldier since I was 17, starting the Canadian Army. Came to the American Army, went through several selections till I got to, you know, I was in the CRIF, I was in JSOC units, the highest level. Half of my training is intelligence, however, so human intelligence. And while I was doing all this, I. I'm so insane and such a crazy mercenary that I was able to build three, you know, fairly profitable real estate companies, one in Germany and two two here in the United States.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  I did all these things because. I was capable. I'm a capable person. I work hard and I have a very strong work ethic. Fast forwarding to when I leave the military. I get out and I start my company because at that time there's a lot of school shootings. I want to mitigate school shootings. It's a it's a national problem, still is. And so I opened up a, it's more of a strategy company. I'm not a PMC. I'm not, I don't. I don't take contracts like Eric Prince. I solve intricate problems and I I did this when I when I left the military. For instance, you know, I had a team in Hurricane Marina, I bought Maria hit Puerto Rico, I had half the island. And we protected. Essentially the AT&T personnel.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Who are trying to reestablish communication through the island. And so I use negotiation skills with local cartels and gangs to just basically have them not attack my people and reestablish these communication networks.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Fast forward a little bit, I get recruited by the Trump administration under Kishler, who's a good friend of Donald Trump, as you know, and worked in the White House as head of White House operations. Now, here's the macro of it. This is the pond that the Trump administration was swimming in at the time. The Trump administration was embattled, as we're seeing now with all the documents, with Christopher Wray and the FBI, who's bugging congressmen or senators like Hawley and so on and so forth. I think there were eight. That Russia collusion hoax, this was on the heels of the Russia collusion hoax, as well as the Mueller report, which the FBI agent who built my case, she was part of

• 11:16Speaker 01

  the Mueller report investigation. So all of this is connected. But the bottom line is, there was a civil war going on in the White House. You had National Security Council, Mike Pompeo, Abrams, Gina Haspel, who were undermining the commander chief's intent, President Trump's intent. And we see this today. It's still playing out. But back then, the CIA would do just enough to not, I guess, come under the ire of the president, especially in Venezuela. So we see this, and I think the most definitive piece of evidence is when Mike Pompeo closes the embassy in Caracas. As you know, the CIA can't operate and can't do advanced intelligence operations without

• 12:01Speaker 01

  an embassy, without embassy support. And so when this embassy is closed, it greatly restricts the CIA's ability to do anything in Venezuela. This is by design, right? And so I am approached by the administration to facilitate the removal of Nicolas Maduro and the facilitation of fair and free elections.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  I do my due diligence. I go down to see if it's okay. And might I just add, I mean, when I'm when you're recruited by the, you know, the the highest office in the land, it's not like you're gonna say no, right? And so, yeah, of course, I'm gonna do this. Um, they did at some point want me to meet, and I want to make this very clear. They made, they wanted me to meet with the President of the United States. And I refused. And it was kind of strange to me that they would want me to meet the President, because one of these guys was a very astute human intelligence operative. He was part of Task Force Orange, which is the Army's advanced, it's a special mission unit. He knew what he was doing.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  The other individual was a Green Beret also, and he should have known better. They asked me to meet with the President. I needed to deny the President's deniability, and that's exactly what I did. So I denied their, you know, request for to meet with the President. And, you know, I don't meet with generals when I do operations. I just do the operation. And I believe the people that are at that at that echelon. I, of course, did my due diligence with Keith Schiller. I did my due diligence with other other individuals that I was dealing with and who are making representations to me.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  And as a product of that, I decided, okay, I have the I have the they had given me, they had relayed the full authorization.

• 13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is they that wanted you to meet Trump? What? Give me a specific name of they that wanted you to meet Trump?

• 13:53Speaker 01

  So this was Drew Horne and Jason Beardsley.

• 13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  So Drew Horne, obviously, back that time was very connected. We didn't know how connected he was until we started reading his emails from the discovery. Same as, you know, obviously, Jason Beardsley, he's a TFO operative, but these guys were both Green Berets. I had no reason to think that a fellow Green Beret would, you know, would would burn me. And so I believed what they were saying. I believed Keith Schiller when I was given these representations. And so I went forward. I also did my did my due diligence with the Venezuela, the recognized Venezuelan opposition under Juan Guido. I had a signed contract with Juan Guido, which

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Let me just, let me, let me just put it this way. I was in the room with two presidents for this. How does a crazy lunatic mercenary get in the room with presidents, diplomats, strategists, geopolitical strategists, and other members of, who are working in the, in the US government and the Venezuelan opposition government? And the Colombian governments? How does that happen?

• 14:57Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the president of Venezuela at the time.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 15:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're saying the president of Colombia is who you're talking about, who is now, I believe, a DJ, uh, somewhere in South Florida.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  At the time, yes. At the time, it was Yvonne Duque. Uh, there's actually a really funny video where he lies on air. I went on W-Radio, which is a prolific radio station all throughout South America. And I went on W-Radio and I, I said, yeah, no, he met, I, I can't remember the specifics, but we, you know, I, I was, I had him on the, the cell, a cellphone call with another one of the Venezuelan opposition and we discussed terms. And so I had the, they go ahead from the, the, the US, the Colombian, uh, government and the Venezuelan opposition government under Juan Gado. So we were cleared to do this.

• 15:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this, is this the, uh, meeting where they agreed to $212 million and then they ended up saying they're going to give one and a half million upfront, but they only gave $50,000? Is this that meeting?

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 15:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And are those numbers accurate? The two, two 12.9 million, one and a half million, $50,000 for expenses at the, uh, beginning stages?

• 16:07Speaker 01

  So the expenses at the beginning stages, they didn't care about. That is, that is what Rendon said, but that, that is, that was, I mean, really it was a down payment on the 1.5 million.

• 16:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It was a down payment on the one and a half, then where does the figure 212.9 million come from?

• 16:23Speaker 01

  This figure is essentially, it's, it's arbitrary. It is essentially just trying to find backing for the later stages of this operation. The first stage of the operation is really supposed to be a link up. It is essentially... So the way, what I did, like the, the work that I did for a year and a half prepping this entire thing was, I aggregated assets in Venezuela that were very close to Nicolas Maduro, who had task and maneuver units. That is to say that they were able to, to mobilize military units inside of Caracas to facilitate the capture of Nicolas Maduro, right? There was no invasion,

• 17:05Speaker 01

  there was no, you know, special operation, crazy invasion thing. It was, this entire operation was designed to be a military coup, where Venezuela, essentially, it's not, it's not really a coup, you're just, you're taking a recognized dictator in Nicolas Maduro, and the military, the Venezuela military are actioning. I'm just providing a bit of a catalyst and some strategy.

• 17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, was this, was this money, the 212 that's thrown around, is that upon completion, and succeeding, you're gonna get that money, assuming Juan would be in, and he would have the access to that type of money to be able to pay you? Is that what the, but when would that payment be prompted?

• 17:53Speaker 01

  So this, this was another meeting that I had with, you know, jet, people in the White House. And it was made very clear to me that the money would flow once the first part was done. And the first part was quite simple. My plan called for three parts, right? The first piece was just to catalyze and to have the US, or sorry, the Venezuelan, these Venezuelan generals do the heavy lifting. To catalyze that, I needed to have a face-to-face with these guys to know that I was on the level, which, this is not, this is not a playbook that I came up with. This is, this is the playbook for successful regime change, I guess we want to call it, or whatever, like trying to oust dictators.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  And so I follow very simple, you know, follow a pretty strict set of rules when I did this. Ultimately, what would happen is Maduro would have either, you know, he fled the country or been replaced, but really it was three individuals, Tariq Al Asami, it was Cabeo, and it was Maduro back then. So really, the first part of the operation is to catalyze that change, have the Venezuelan military come in and remove these, the bad leadership. And then what ends up happening next is you have a counter coup. And this counter coup is where the money needs to start flowing. You know, Drew Horne recognized this. He essentially, you know, yes, the money will flow once this first part's done. Great. I wasn't worried about the money after the fact.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Once the counter coup is complete, the counter coup basically is when you have other warring factions, which is largely opposition factions, or, you know, whoever else is going to be trying to take control once there's a power vacuum. I have enough money that I can align, I can basically align with the Venezuelan military and have some of my Americans come hit the ground and be able to provide mentorship and leadership to some of these, you know, to the, to the valid Venezuelan military. The third stage is really just reconstruction and humanitarian, right? And, and, and keying up for fair and free elections in Venezuela. This was the overall plan. This was never talked about in the news because, oh.

• 20:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So, so, so was it, so who was going to be paying you, the 212? Where would the payment come from? From whom?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Uh, it was told to me that the United States, this would come from the US. Once, once this is done, the money will flow. This is what was represented to me several times by the individuals I was dealing with at the White House.

• 20:29Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the Drew Horne. These are the two names that you mentioned earlier, Drew Horn and Jason Beardsley, that promised that the money would come to you, and you believe them, that these guys, I should believe them, that the money is going to come from the White House?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, it was Drew Horn, right? So Beardsley wasn't part of those conversations. He was part of other conversations, but not, not the money conversation.

• 20:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't you think, don't you think if you're, if you're negotiating something that big, and Drew Horn is not a decision maker, so, and Drew Horn was an aide to Pence, if I'm not mistaken, right? So if, if he's an aide to Pence, you know, one may question, why would you just based on a meeting with an aide automatically believe that this is a real thing?

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Well, several things. There's a confluence of factors, right? So you have Keith Schiller telling me the exact same thing. You have full authorization from the White House. I have Drew Horn telling me you have full authorization from the White House. I have a contract with Juan Guaido, which he's not doing anything without White House approval. I have, you know, I have a White House meeting between Keith Schiller and two other individuals immediately following my meeting with Juan Guaido, or with the Zoom meeting with Juan Guaido to sign the contract. And so everything, and furthermore, I don't, when I'm, when I'm given a mission in the military, I don't, there's no generals that come and tell us

• 21:58Speaker 01

  that, I don't go and talk to the general and say, hey, are you sure that this is authorized? Maybe, I think you need to sign, you need to sign your life off. No, it doesn't work that way, right? And there's no, and what's more is this, the president, and I don't care who the president is. I don't care if it's a Democrat president. I don't care if it's a Republican president. I don't care. The president, he's the President of the United States, and he requires deniability. Period.

• 22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so Drew and Jason are telling you that this is what we got approved, that if you do this, we're going to pay this, and you take on that, and you believe it, and you move on with the mission, trusting those two guys.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Right, with several meetings, we met several times in Washington DC. It's a bona fide member of the US government who has contacts in National Security Council. He, you know, he's Trump's son's good friend. Furthermore, I mean, look, this, it wasn't just one meeting. It was several meetings over the course of several months. Furthermore, and Donald Trump's, I met with Donald Trump's, you know, the legal team of the president, George Soriol, Travis Lucas, who are telling me the exact same thing. No, you are good to go.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  A lawyer, Travis Lucas read the contract, said, yeah, you're good to go.

• 23:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so who is, who is the highest ranking person you met with? That there is documentation and exchange of them wanting you to do this?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Several, I have, well, it's Keith Schiller, Drew Horn, Jason Beersley,

• 23:57Speaker 01

  you know, Juan Guido, that's a contract, I have several.

• 24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So Juan Guido, you have a contract, signed pictures together with him?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And the President of Columbia, you have all that documented?

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And is that in, if I go right now, is it public? If I go and look up pictures right now of you and Juan Guido, can I find it?

• 24:19Speaker 01

  That contract's, that contract's public.

• 24:21Patrick Bet-David?

  The contract that he signed is public with you?

• 24:24Speaker 01

  It's public.

• 24:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, all right, so when you're doing that and you're going through it, at that time, you know, word comes out, but let me just stay on this real quick. Was, what was the expectation? Was the expectation for you to do what? Was it to eliminate Maduro? What was the expectation? Is that, is that the contract with the signatures, Rob?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  No, there's no elimination. It's essentially just, it's a legal action. It's just to arrest the sitting president, which is Nicolas Maduro, and put in, you know, the rightful president, Juan Guido, or, you know, just change leadership.

• 25:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I see the contract right here, the Guaido Administration Silver Corp agreement. Rob, if you want to zoom in a little bit, so I can see that and read what it says. Can you zoom in on that thing? Therefore, in consideration of matters described above and the mutual benefits and obligations set forth agreement, the recipient witness is the signatures are who? We have Jordan's one of them. Juan Benden is another one. Manuel, I can't read it, Retuerta or something like that? And then we have Sergio Vergara?

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Who are they?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  So Sergio Vergara is one of the strategists for Juan Guaido. The Juan Guaido signature is on the first, on the general services on the first, I think it's a 12-page. That's, that's the longer contract. That's 48 pages or so.

• 25:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it. So, so then this happens, you guys agree, you go, what happens next? Because I see somewhere where it says it was supposed to be 300 to 800 men, ends up becoming 60 with two boats. Walk me through how the mission got started, who was involved, you know, why it ended up failing? Maybe tell me what happened then?

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the CIA, so in the very first meeting where I was asked to do this by Key Schiller and members of the global governments, which was the team that they were working under, Key Schiller is no longer in the White House, although he was meeting the president frequently in the White House. There were, there was a Venezuelan opposition strategist who was a CIA asset. This CIA asset, there were, there were several CIA assets. This CIA asset was meeting and basically, you know, there was a secret recording with this individual and one of his compadres that I had one of my men take, that essentially these individuals were, you know, bashing Trump and saying they don't, they don't trust

• 26:55Speaker 01

  President Trump and they only trust the CIA under Juan Cruz, so on and so forth. And so these gentlemen, and I didn't know them at the time and I didn't understand that until that recording, you know, several months later, but these individuals were...

• 27:10Speaker 01

  I don't know what it was. It seemed like kind of a trap. They wanted to liberate their country, but they really just wanted the money from it. And so it was, you know, it was kind of a tricky, I guess it's just a tricky obstacle course to navigate. These individuals ultimately started working with Colombian intelligence service and the CIA outright. Fast forward to when my men were in the camps, they basically had the, you know, the GPS coordinates for where my men were. So when the operation launches, the regime doesn't have to do all that much, right? So Venezuelan opposition gives the coordinates to the regime and the regime

• 27:52Speaker 01

  does what they do. So the heavy lifting in the, like to come against, you know, this operation was done by the CIA, Colombian intelligence, Venezuelan opposition.

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• 28:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, all right, was that it? Were the agreements being said? Terms of agreement right there. Open it up a little bit if you can. Zoom in a little bit. Terms of agreement. Jordan, I don't know if you can see this or not. He's just zooming into the agreement on what it says, which is $212.9 million over the course of the term. The amount of money needed to fulfill the first part of service provider, $50 million. All the money will be backed, secured with Venezuelan barrels of oil. So, and all the monies in this agreement are in US dollars. Administration agrees to pay. So the money was going to come from Venezuela, not the US government.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  So funny thing about USAID, Patrick, and the funny thing about a lot of the CIA moneyed accounts that are kind of hanging out in several Fortune 500 companies under TSSCI projects. In this instance, it was the Rendon Corporation in DC who was working with Venezuelan opposition government to destabilize, doing low-level sabotage operations and whatnot, refineries and so on and so forth. So yeah, perhaps on the surface it would have come from the Venezuelan government, but the truth is it would have come from the United States.

• 29:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Okay, so it comes from US, it comes from them. So in this sense, do you think the president knows anything of what's going on at this point? Or do you think none of it's rolling up to him? It's just purely a Pompeo, John Bolton, these are some of the guys that, you know, of course, we're not on the side of Trump. Do you think they're trying to manipulate this whole thing, overselling it, underselling it? What do you think's really the motive behind closed doors?

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Trap. I think it's a trap. Period. You know, we've seen this, you saw the J6, you saw it with Russia collusion hoax, we saw Mueller report, you've seen it with the Christopher Wray stuff, and all the actors were the same. And so why not? Why not use this as another attempt to attack the president, right? And so the president's intent is to, let's be honest, let me be perfectly clear as a military strategist, why do we need Venezuela? And yeah, it's not, we don't need the oil. We need to deny oil to China, Russia in the event of another large-scale war, i.e. World War III. This is evidenced by the fact that China has developed, has been, you know, I think they're finished now,

• 31:02Speaker 01

  they've been building a refinery capable of refining Venezuelan crude. As you know, it has higher sulfur content. We can refine it in the US. Now China can also. And so what we're seeing today is the president and yeah, the narrative with the drug stuff, that's all fine and dandy. Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Venezuela is strategic/tactical white space for Russia-China to come over to this hemisphere, violate the Monroe Doctrine, and use Venezuela's ports, use its air facilities to stage for possible strikes on the United States. Let's just call it what it is.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Let's cut through all the narrative, right? Same thing as Russia-Ukraine. Let's cut through all the narrative. Why did Russia invade Ukraine? They did it because they want to deny white space, tactical/strategic white space to NATO, i.e. they don't want their neighboring country to have an influx of NATO war material/weapons lab/whatever. Why is President Trump wanting to secure NATO? Or wanting to secure Venezuela? He's trying to secure it at the national strategic for a possible escalation of war with Russia-China.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  So, here's why. If you ask me why the CIA and why Mike Pompeo and Gina Haspel and Christopher Wray and all these bad actors, why did they undermine the President Trump, who made a valid action? The valid action is, hey, let's do a bloodless change of leadership in Venezuela and let's adhere to the Monroe Doctrine versus what's happening now, which is let's invade. Four years ago was better. Four years ago, Venezuela's generals would have policed Venezuela. They would have taken out the tyrannical Nicolas Maduro and he would have been replaced in fair and free elections.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Fast forward to today, we're looking at invasion, right? So how many US lives is that gonna cost? I don't know. Are there hypersonics in Venezuela? How many forces, how many Russia-China forces are there? Can we establish air superiority? Like, the short answer is yes, that's, that's beyond the scope of this discussion. But we're the United States, yeah, I'm pretty sure we're gonna be able to, we have the most powerful military force on the planet.

• 33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm hearing you're saying is, you, then, then what you're saying is, you supported, if this was a Pompeo-Pence plan to do a bloodless operation using you guys, which led to six to eight people getting killed, you know, a couple guys, I think it's Aaron Berry and Luke Denman, apparently, they went to jail for what, 20 years in Venezuela?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, they're out, they're out, they went to jail for three years.

• 34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And they were in Venezuela?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  They're in Venezuela.

• 34:11Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and so Maduro released them?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Maduro released them.

• 34:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is the part where it gets tricky, where some people don't believe anything with this operation, where all of this was an act to use as a sign of strength from Maduro to manipulate against Juan, because you have to realize, ever since then, Juan at one point was a rock star, if I'm not even mistaken, President Trump was giving a speech and he had Juan stand up, or if he had, you know, he had him in one of the, I don't know what it was, if it was a...

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Vice president.

• 34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, I remember that, so, everybody was like, yeah, he was already recognized by other countries as the president of Venezuela, yeah, that's one right there, Rob, you just pulled it up, is that the one, watch, President?

• 34:56Speaker 03

  Yep, at the State of the Union.

• 34:57Patrick Bet-David?

  At the State of the Union, right there, if you wanna play it.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  That's why my administration reversed the failing policies of the previous administration on Cuba.

• 35:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you fast forward to, see, keep going, keep going, keep going, right there, right, when you see the, no, no, when you see the spike on it, keep going, keep going, keep going, that's when he probably stands up.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  The true and legitimate president of Venezuela.

• 35:18Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Juan Guaido, Mr. President, please take this message back to you.

• 35:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you can pause it right there. So that happens, and today, Juan is just a regular guy.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:38Patrick Bet-David?

  He went from there to just being a regular. He'll walk in the airport, nobody wants to talk to him anymore. He's no longer the hero that he was supposed to be. So, some people are saying, maybe this whole thing was a, you know, was a setup. Maybe this whole thing was a... A lot of people don't trust... If I ask 10 people, 8 of them are gonna say, "There's something very fishy going on here, Jordan." That's what people say, it just doesn't sound right.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Right. So, here's the... Right, the narrative, I agree. The narrative that has been spun is, it's completely fishy, and none of the discovery supports it. Let me do you one better. The President of the United States was embattled. We know this because of all the investigations that are going on right now. You know, I think Tulsi Gabbard just came out talking about how, uh, what was it? You know, so the intelligence, or FBI agents were, you know, bugging members of Congress, or whatever it was. I am nobody. One guy down in the large scheme of things is just nobody. These bad actors, why are they coming after me? Like, why...

• 36:48Speaker 01

  The judge even said it. Why are we... Why are you going after this guy? It's been 4 and 1/2 years at my arraignment. This was a year ago. Nobody can understand why it was so imperative to get a guy like me, then take me to trial, and here's why. Because the implications for the President of the United States are you being used as a political weapon. Political weaponization. This entire operation, and they call it Operation Gideon. It wasn't Operation Gideon. It was always Operation Edgemont. I digressed. This entire operation was designed to embarrass the president and look at the fallout, right? The president was implicated in CNN and AP and all of these other publications.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  So back then, we had a US-aligned president in Brazil. We had a US-aligned president in Colombia. After this happened with Juan Guaido and the fallout, now you have leftists in Brazil and in Colombia who are working with China and Russia. If you ask me why the CIA would want to destabilize the United States, if you ask me why Mike Pompeo and Christopher Wray and Gina Haspel would want to not adhere to the Monroe Doctrine, you'd have to ask them that, but they did it. I think maybe attacking Trump was higher on their priority list.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Maybe they thought in the aftermath that, I don't know, maybe they could figure it out with South America. I'm not too sure about the strategy because it was terrible.

• 38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but I mean, don't you think, don't you think that the leftists, like when AP came out and AP said after investigation found no evidence that the US-approved invasion of US officials and US officials have denied having any role in it. So this is AP. AP is dying to find something to destroy Trump.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  They're not. The AP is dying to protect the CIA. They will always prioritize the agency over the president. And what they realized is that the discovery points directly back to the CIA. So when you look at the reporting on this, you know, when the reporting is, it's like the Trump, it's like the Iraqi invasion, right? When the, when the reporting is bipartisan and it's like, yeah, we need to invade, the fix is in, right? And so with this reporting, this was pulled out of the news immediately, right? It was in the, it was up for three days back then. It was during COVID, but it was taken out of the news cycle immediately. This has been the most heavily suppressed story over the last four years. Nobody wants to tell this story.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  This movie came out, it's a neon movie and neon's a prolific producer. I wouldn't notice about that movie, they didn't promote it. It was in the theater for one week and they didn't promote it. Right? This story, the movie was CIA funded.

• 39:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Which movie are you talking about, Men of War?

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly, right, exactly right. It was at Toronto Film Festival.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  So I'm not saying that the movie is an accurate representation of what happened because it has several flaws, terrible flaws, but you have to ask yourself where the funding came from.

• 40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam McKay was the executive producer of the movie?

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah. Nobody knows, nobody knows what this movie is. The other part is this, and this is really important to understand, there are factions in the Venezuelan opposition. Juan Guido is not the faction leader. He's just a guy who's, these people are able to throw away. The real leader of the opposition is a guy named Lopoldo Lopez, who has other CIA ties, he's got State Department ties. Look, Lopoldo Lopez has the ability to go and talk to Mike Pompeo directly and get people taken off the sanctions list. I know that because I read about it. I read about his strategist speaking with Mike Pompeo and Elliot Abrams and just having them,

• 40:50Speaker 01

  people like, you know, Figueroa, who was the head of the Sabine, who's a torturer, and they just pulled him off the sanctions list and then Forbes wrote an article about him saying he was, the picture of what a Venezuelan should be. Meanwhile, he came from torturing, I don't know how many thousands of Venezuelans. So this whole story is, it is a CIA narrative driven.

• 41:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I mean, what Trump said about this, he said, this was a freelance amateur hour. If the US wanted to invade Venezuela, it would be a large official and military action. You know, and even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're not, they're flying over Venezuela just to say, this is what we're capable of doing. They're blowing up boats just to say, here's what we're doing. It's to the point where Maduro, in his own sarcastic way, he probably doesn't want this because if they do, they know they can cause them to fall. Some people are for it, a lot of people maybe against it, because it's another one of those, you know, we're coming in as mercenaries to replace you and put you in a different place, but it's public.

• 41:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And it seems it seems more aligned with Trump's way of doing things. When when Trump took out Gassam Soleimani, he was very public about it. When when Trump took out a lot of even in his first term, he was very public about it. I don't know how much of this matches his um his style of doing things. I don't know.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Here, well, here's the deal. I I I don't know. I can't speak to that, but he was a sitting president. He was new, right? And so when you're a new president, you don't you're not really going to understand that the the uh, I guess, the the tools in your toolbox. And so one of those tools, if you if you come to the president and look, the president's a smart guy. You're a business guy. President's a smart guy. If I come to you with the choice that, look, we can lose a lot of American lives and we can make this really bloody. Or I say to the president, you know what? Let's make it bloodless. We'll uh, we'll get some guys who know how to do this and we'll we'll try to get the CIA to do it. They won't do it, so let's get somebody in who's private and then let's go with that option. I'll take the other option where it's bloodless.

• 43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the closest you ever got to? What's the closest you ever got to Maduro?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  In terms of?

• 43:10Patrick Bet-David?

  How close did you guys get close?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  This is how close. I had his breakfast. I knew who his driver was going to be that day. I knew names of his personal Cuban strike for uh uh bodyguards. How close was I? I don't know. I could probably I I was getting reports on on on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was, Patrick.

• 43:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If if you wanted to.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  And this is this is why. I got that close because it's my job to get that close. And in military special operations and our human intelligence programming, we're better than the CIA. We just do it better. We just do it better. And it took me a year and a half to get that access and placement. So, yeah, I was close.

• 43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  If if you wanted to as close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him out, you could?

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure, probably, but.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  You have to understand that like I I don't I am not

• 44:18Speaker 01

  that's assassination right you understand I don't deal in a I'm a strategist I want to do the simplest

• 44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  But how would you do it as strategist you're gonna come out and say Maduro hold my hand let's walk out of this building and I want you to give up you think How do you do it peacefully?

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Look I understand the cognitive dissidents

• 44:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Right? But you have to understand that the world is not everything in America and there are other pieces to what when we talk military right? So it's it's essentially I need to get three people not just one it's not enough that I get Maduro I have to get Cabeo I have to get Tariq I have to get all three which means I need access and placement to all three right and then coordinating

• 44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What does get mean? What does get mean? No what does get mean?

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Capture or put pressure on whether they flee or not is completely fine I don't care if somebody flees I didn't care if they flee I just wanted them out but there's something with assassination that I look you saw the Charlie Kirk right? Is that something that you would want to be remembered for what happened with no I'm not an assassin I just want countries to police themselves right and I want to advise people in those countries how to do it and if I can facilitate the connection of the military establishment around Maduro and incentivize them to do that I'm going to do that and that is all the plan was

• 45:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So okay but big difference between Charlie Kirk and Maduro Charlie Kirk was a regular guy going out there selling how amazing America is and God is and Maduro is a dictator your words what you said earlier so that's a different thing

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Let's substitute JFK let's substitute JFK for for Charlie Kirk

• 46:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I would still say JFK is a I understand what you're saying I don't want to I don't want to beat a dead horse on this one like I'm not trying to go into saying that but let's go back to it so you got close to him as close as you wanted to to get him and a couple of his associates is this where the motive became why don't we put a big bounty to be able to take him out because with a bounty his own people can get excited and come close and we can pay him 15 million bucks is that kind of what part of the strategy was let me get his own guys to turn against him

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Well, that's the whole strategy, right? Like, that is, that is a military coup in essence. And so when you said before that the president really just wanted to do the, well, he didn't do that, right? He chose this, this option. And so he chose to do the smarter option, which is yes, to use people around Maduro to capture him and solve their own problem, right? And this was evidenced by the April 30th rebellion that failed because they didn't have military. They didn't have access and placement that I did. They didn't have the milit- you know, Lopola Lopez didn't have the military. He just didn't.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  I did.

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• 48:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 48:21Patrick Bet-David?

  The other part that I pull up with you with what's going on, apparently there is, and please correct this, it says there, you're charged right now with 14 counts in US federal indictment, conspiracy to violate export law, smuggling goods from the US, and then violations of arms corps, control acts, and a couple of the things that you have. What are you, what are you in court for? Because I know you said we were supposed to do this live, that if something goes wrong, you can go to jail in the next few hours. What are you facing today?

• 48:52Speaker 01

  I've been fighting to, I've been fighting to get to trial. The whole fight is get to trial and stay free. Their whole, the only way, and they know this, the only way they win at trial is if I'm in jail. That's the only way they win and they've been trying ever since to get me in jail. This is why I'm living in a homeless shelter right here. This is why I just can't go out and get an apartment. I have the ankle monitor. I'm not allowed. I mean, I, I, I do business strategy for a local ranch that's trying to monetize. So I'm helping them, you know, pro bono. I'm just, you know, volunteering because if I don't, I'll go insane. This is all part of the, the, you know, I, the trial as a, I, I can't wait. I look forward to it. Let's go.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  This part where they're threatening to put me in jail and they're threatening to do all these terrible things to me. This is the part that's like, you know, I, as a soldier, I fought for the constitution. And, you know, I, I understand how I've been framed in the media, but let's, let's be honest. I fought for the country for 18 years, the GWAP. And I wasn't just, you know, a truck driver or, you know, a nurse. I was a special tip of the spear special forces operator. I saw my friends get shot to pieces. I've had my buddy's brains all over my face and I'm sitting at the VA right here who's tried to kick me out three times. Right? I mean, I, so yeah, man, I'm going to fight. I'm the guy in the ring who's taking the blows and thank God for my, my attorney. She's a beautiful Cuban woman and she's fighting incredibly hard for me, but nobody else is, right?

• 50:19Speaker 01

  I mean, everybody comes for you, your friends, and nobody stands with you because everybody's so terrified of the federal government. It's, uh, it's unbelievable. So this stage of the game, it's stay out of jail so that I can get as much classified information as I can from them because if I'm in jail, I'm no longer incentivized to get classified information and they know that. The only way they win is to put me in jail. And I've, I, it's been a year and a half. I have a run. I'm not a danger to the community. I'm certainly not a flight risk. You know, I'm here. So they're, they're fighting me, right? You know, they fought yesterday, they fought us and they're fighting us today to try to put me in jail. And judge it like the, the, yeah.

• 50:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the highest ranking, most influential person in the world that is vouching for you and has your back?

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Most influential person, I'm a soldier, Patrick.

• 51:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but do you know what I'm asking? What I'm asking is, who, who from the left, the right, business, somebody who was a general, a three-star in the military that was on the, you know, uh, trenches with you, that's, that knows you, that trusts you, who is out there coming out saying, guys, this is a good guy, leave him alone, I can vouch for him.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, great. There's a Colonel, his name is Colonel DJ Reyes. He actually has the courage to stand up, you know, he actually has the courage to talk to, you know, members of the court and say, hey, listen, I mean, this guy's doing great. This guy has, is giving people jobs, even though he's living, I'm living in a homeless shelter. And, you know, I think they thought I was gonna go over there and, I don't know. I am a business strategist, I, I, I'm in a day-to-day basis, you know, uh, mentoring a CEO and a COO and a human, I scale all through that company and here I'm living in a homeless shelter. This is, it's cognitive, I've never, you know, it's unbelievable. And so DJ Reyes is basically saying, he's a good guy. I don't understand why he can't live in an apartment.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  You know, oh, because it's lawfare, because I'm tied to the northern, you know, they, they put some conditions on me, and this is not the judges, this is the prosecution. I was, I should be just, you know, be, being able to go out, I can't go out every day, I'm confined. I do my runs around this VA building. I wear Ranger panties and I'm, you know, and I, I, I work out and I do my push-ups. That's the tree that I, that I use is like a boxing tree, you know?

• 52:45Speaker 01

  I fought for the Constitution. I didn't fight for this, right? But people don't understand it until you're part of the system. I do think there are good judges, I've seen it. Um, but the fact that these prosecutors, you know, they, they packed the courtroom yesterday. One of these, one of these prosecutors was the, the original prosecutor, who talked about Green Berets, I've, I've locked up, you know, two Green Berets, this is gonna be my third. She was furious when my, my lawyer got me bond, furious. So she came back, she's not even a lawyer. She was in the stands yesterday, along with all the FBI agents who, to be honest, they should be tried for treason. They knew my Green Berets, they knew those guys, Luke and Aaron, were in grave danger.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  They knew I aborted the mission. And you know what the FBI did? They violated ICD-191. That's a fa- that's a duty to warn that they had and they didn't do it and there were American lives at risk. You know what they did? They just kept reporting it up to the CIA. So yeah, I mean, the narrative is, uh,

• 53:49Speaker 01

  but I digress. Look.

• 53:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:52Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and, and right now with where you're at, because I got this as well from, uh, uh, the Scalzo Law, uh, Maricel, which is the beautiful lawyer you're talking about.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  She's phenomenal.

• 54:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, she, uh, uh, did, did, did you, are you asking the government for pardon?

• 54:11Speaker 01

  I think she is. Certainly. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, look, I'm not a lawyer. She does whatever she needs to do.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  We're gonna fight it either way. I mean, she, she's a brilliant trial lawyer. You know, I, I,

• 54:27Speaker 01

  I'm not worried about it going to trial. I'm more worried about them trying to put me in jail because I'm a, obviously I'm a flight risk because, you know.

• 54:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, in, in, in, um, in situations like this, this, this is a very weird story. When, when, when, uh, my guy came up to me, he says, Pat, you know, do we want to do the story or not? And we sat there, we looked at it, we thought about it and we said, well, let, let, let's give it a shot and see what's in this, what's in this story. It's very, very suspect. It's very strange. It's very, uh, uh, weird. It's very, but there is that ounce of possibility of Pompeo and Bolton and Pence, who couldn't stand, uh, you know, what Trump was doing and they kind of looked at him as this guy's not a president. We know what we're doing. We're in here. We are politicians. We are governors.

• 55:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, Pence, so we are, you know, folks who have been in this thing for a while and we know what we're doing and who is he to come and tell us, you know, we're gonna just tell him what to do. We're gonna manage him because they looked at. President Trump as a possible President Bush. Uh, and you know, Pompeo was maybe looking at himself as being a Dick Cheney or whatever role you want to put it that I'm going to be able to be the puppet master and tell him what to do. But it ended up being that President Trump was the alpha of the alphas. And they couldn't fool him and he kind of came out and figure it out and on the first term. So that is the small 5% I give to this. 10% I give to this. That they tried to, you know, pin it against him and the establishment tried to hurt him in their own way and then didn't succeed then and they used

• 56:05Patrick Bet-David?

  COVID to get rid of him and then he came back. Uh, and they came up against a very unique guy that wasn't willing to give up against these guys.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, when you read the discovery, that 5% turns more into about 95%. The discovery is, I mean, like I said, this journalist has been trying to get published forever and you know, he th- th- this is, this is the

• 56:30Speaker 01

  this is the quintessential, the fixes in, because all the evidence is there. It supports everything I'm saying. You know, and that's undeniable. But nobody will have, you know, there's very few podcasters that will have me on because I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm caught between like, and I know you, Patrick, you, you love the president, you're going to protect the president no matter what? Great. And I'm caught between the, the, the people on the left who are protecting the CIA and protecting, you know, the Mike Pompeo's and all the individuals who put this thing in the motion. So what does that leave for somebody like me? You know, I, I, like I said, I'm a patriot. I fought for the country for decades and everybody wants to say, thank you for your service, but nobody's willing to stand next to me.

• 57:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, and look, we are responsible for things that we do, you know? I have four kids, so if you screwed up, you're going to be held, held accountable to it. So you didn't get into this situation accidentally. So I, I'm, I, I don't want to sit here and, you know, you get, you get, we get judged in life for the decisions that we made. We get judged in life for putting things in the right way. And sometimes we screw up. Nobody makes 100% right decisions and you see an opportunity, you took it and you're now here and it's an unfortunate place to be, but this is a byproduct of decisions that we make. Having said that, I am fully for innocent until proven guilty. And may, uh, may God have mercy on you and while you're going through this next phase.

• 57:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And, uh, if, if things come out the right way, God willing, somebody will come out and support you and help you out.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you know, you I am, I should have known that the CIA was doing this. I should have known that I would have been thrown under the bus by the individuals who are working with the president.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  But I was recruited to do this. I made that decision, I made that determination because I'm a soldier. And when the highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do, I do it. That's that's what being a soldier is and without guys like me.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  But I think maybe that.

• 58:36Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a difference, though. There is a difference.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Ah, there's no difference.

• 58:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I my my opinion, no, no, my opinion, you, you, you don't have to agree with my opinion. But if I pull up right now, what is Silvercorp? It doesn't say consulting firm. It doesn't say strategy firm. It's a PMC.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 58:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But but if you go, if you go.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  I don't have access to, sorry, I don't have access to that website. Somebody else does. I don't have, I don't get to write the Wikipedia page, the CIA guys do. I don't.

• 59:06Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the difference between you and a what Eric Prince did? We've had him on the podcast as well. What's the difference between the two?

• 59:12Speaker 01

  This is the big difference. The difference is Eric Prince, he had a mercenary invasion force ready to go.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I had assets with access and placement in Venezuela.

• 59:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Who weren't going to kill anybody. They were just going to turn on military units and have the Venezuelan military do the work. That's the difference. It's the difference in cost of lives. Mine costs no lives. Eric Prince's and PMCs costs thousands, hundreds of thousands. That's the difference.

• 59:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Apparently eight of eight of your people died.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  They did, eight Venezuelans died.

• 59:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, eight of the people died. And again, remember this, I'm not here taking sides or anything. But what I'm saying is when you say, when, when, when I'm being told what to do. When you have, I was a, you know, I was in the army. I was not the guy, I was the guy that was going to go to fifth group and be eighteen delta because I spoke five languages. And I was going to go to DLI and go to Vicenza, Italy, because that's where I wanted to go to. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be delta. And last minute, I got out and I went into business. I love the military. I was at the 101st Airborne. It, when you're in the military, yes, you signed a contract to do that. But when you're a PMC, it's a business decision you're making because you're getting paid for it.

• 1:00:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's a different deal. And so Eric Prince, if I, if I look at Eric Prince's contracts, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, I, I think he had $600 million of dealings of what he did with CIA. I, I, I want to say a big number of his, uh, revenue came from the, maybe I'm off by a couple hundred million. But, uh, can you pull up to see 600 million? Yeah, there you go. Blackwater secured, uh, $600 million in classified contracts from the CIA for security support and other operations. You're, if you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record, what it is, and you know you're playing with fire. You know what could happen at any point.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  My company started as a company that was going to solve the sho- school shooting problem. Period. That's how it started. I templated school sho- school shooting, like active shooter mitigation in several schools in Florida. After, you know, all those school shootings were happening. My company was not a PMC. As much as the media, as much as the Wikipedia, as much as you want to say it was, it was not a PMC. It was never designed for that. I, it was designed to solve intricate problems.

• 1:01:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Were any of your 60 guy, were any of your 60 guys that you had to go on this mission, pre-military guys?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:01:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a private, that's a private military contractor.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Negative. That's not, that is not. I took, I, all, all the private military guys that I brought, or sir, all of the soldiers that I took that were with me in Puerto Rico. We were not a PMC. We were just protecting people.

• 1:02:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but in this mission, I'm not talking Puerto Rico, in this mission. And by the way, do you think, I, I think of PMCs as a negative thing? Like you must not know me well enough. I am supporter of, no, no, no. What I'm saying to you is, I, I multiple times on the podcast have said, I think we need PMCs to have a direct competition because some PMCs can do a better job than the other guys can. I, I, I am, I am, I am for PMC. So I don't look at PMC in a bad way. I just know that if you're PMC, you gotta know what you're getting yourself into and what types of people you're doing business with and how to protect yourself. So if I'm, if I'm going into the PMC business, probably my best friends are having some of the most expensive decorated lawyers in the world

• 1:02:49Patrick Bet-David?

  to protect me that know how to deal with the government. Cause, cause when shit hits the fan, they're not going to come to save you. There, there's a reason why they deal with PMC. So I'm, you, you're taking me saying PMC in a negative way. I don't see PMC in a bad, in a negative way. I only see PMC in a negative way is because your customer is the CIA in many cases.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Sure. No, no doubt. That said, trying to basically say that, well, you know, you're a PMC, you should have had all these lawyers. I, I, when I, back when I started, I wasn't, you know, I didn't have all the money to have all these lawyers, but that said, several lawyers actually read the contract. I had three lawyers reading the contract. You know, I mean, they, the contract was valid. So, and, and I, look, I'm not a PMC. There was no, this, this whole notion that we were some mercenary outfit who did a military action with guys in fishing boats. That's just doesn't, that doesn't hold water. I mean, the, the, the proof of it is in the discovery, which.

• 1:03:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, let me tell you, what I, what I don't like is everybody is someone's son. Everybody. And the son, the parents are in pain watching their son or daughter go through, you know, the hardship that they're going through. I'm sure you got relatives that are watching you right now going through this and they're probably praying for you. They don't want to see this thing happen to you. They don't want to see you go through this challenge and you're in a pretty shitty place right now. And, you know, it looks like you got a lawyer that's working for you, which probably is the most important person. Cause I don't know if she's getting paid right now. So if she's going out of her way helping you out, kudos to whoever this lawyer is. I don't know who this lawyer is. So good for her for helping you out and doing what you're doing.

• 1:04:31Patrick Bet-David?

  And for you, you look like a CEO, man, dressed up. Look at the way you got even the nice colored shirts you got on. You know, a nice guy that I'm sure if, you know, those decisions were made. By the way, if you had to go back and that opportunity came up to do with you signing on with Guaido and all these other guys, what would you have done differently? If that opportunity came about, would you have done it again?

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  To liberate 30 million people? I was part of that unit you said, fifth group. I was in 18 Delta and fifth group.

• 1:05:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You were in 18 Delta and fourth, fifth group?

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I went to Delta selection and everything. You know what? You know what the motto is, the Green Berets? It's the oppressor liber, free the oppressed. So you want to ask me right now, I'm at the VA in the parking lot, you know, being, yeah, liberate 30 million people? Yep, I would do that again. Sure would. Now, what would I have done different?

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  There's a lot of variables that, look, I understand that you give a lot of broad stroke to the CIA. And well, you should have known about the CIA, but listen, a guy like me, I've worked with the CIA. I worked with them in Iraq and Afghanistan. I've never been burned by them, right? But when I don't have the data from the White House and I don't, I'm reading about how there was a civil war in the White House at that point. I didn't have that data back then. We do the best we can. So would I have changed things? Sure, but did I make any huge mistakes? I don't think I did. Am I responsible for it? Absolutely. I take 100 responsibility, 100% responsibility for what happened because, yeah, I should have, I should have known that the CIA would have moved against us, right?

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  I should have done intelligence, you know, had people in the White House doing intelligence spy. But what you're talking about, David, is insane, right? You're saying that I need to spy on the spy agency in the United States in order to do a job that the president is circumventing the CIA. The reason I was recruited was so that the president could circumvent what the CIA wasn't doing. The CIA wasn't doing the job. And so the president needed another option. We were that option.

• 1:06:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I don't know what I could have done better or worse. I did the best I could as a soldier.

• 1:06:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Jordan, any final things you want to share with the audience before we wrap up?

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  And I don't know. I think, uh, I think we covered it. I, I think that at the end of the day, it's like a lot of what I signed on for in the constitution, I believe to be incorrect because of all the laws that have degraded it. But the biggest thing I can say is this, going to war has nothing to do with the country you're in or flags or documents that are written in books. It's about guys to the left and the right of you. And the people who show up for me now, because I'm not a popular guy, I'm infamous, right? I'm this, this terrible guy who's, you know, the, the, all the terrible stories are written about. But you know who your friends are when the people to the left and right of you show up and they're not the people who you think they're going to be.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  And, uh, I appreciate you having me, Patrick. It takes courage to tell this story.

• 1:07:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I, I, I wanted to hear this story. By the way, for, for the craziest, I'm going to ask you the craziest question that you are not expecting. You ready?

• 1:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you doing this interview on where the audio is this clear and you're outside?

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Well, your guy said, look, I, I wish I was there in person, but your guy said, you need a better, you know, camera. And so, uh, I had somebody bring me a better camera.

• 1:08:11Patrick Bet-David?

  What is it? Is it a camera? Is it an audio? Is it an iPad?

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  It's like a little camera. No, no, it's a camera that I'm putting on my, my iPad.

• 1:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  My, uh, my computer.

• 1:08:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And is the audio coming from, uh, uh, listen.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I wish I could tell you how sick the audio is. Do you agree, Rob?

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really good.

• 1:08:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I am so amazed. Can you afterwards send a picture of the camera and send it to our guys? Because you're outside. I haven't heard a single noise with those cars driving. And I see the things in the back. I don't hear anything with wind. So whatever product this is, maybe this could be an endorsement opportunity.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  I, I, I tell you what, like I'm running on, I'm running on a clock and I have to go empty out my little, my little room here at the, the homeless shelter. And throw in my buddy's car because we got to get to the courthouse in case I go to jail today.

• 1:08:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Once I finish. Yeah.

• 1:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, send that over to us. We'd love to know, but obviously I'm having fun with you. But, but at the same time, uh, it's, it's probably not the most exciting day for you for what you have to do, but I'm sure you're praying. May God be with you, buddy.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Can I just say one more thing?

• 1:09:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  I'm wearing a suit in a homeless shelter. Yeah. But never forget who you are. Never. Never let anybody tell you who you are. The only person who can tell you that is you. And you're right. God determines everything in my life and, uh, and whatever path he's got me on, whether I go to jail, whether I stay free, that's okay. Thanks again for having me.

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