Kylie Kelce: Stop Calling Me a WAG

Join Alex in New Orleans for an interview with Kylie Kelce! Kylie discusses why she initially kept her relationship with Jason a secret, what it’s really like being a Kelce, double dating with Taylor and Travis, and why she hates the word WAG. She also discusses her pregnancy, misconceptions about her family, and her loyalty to the Eagles. Enjoy!

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• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:27Alex Cooper?

  Kylie Kelsey, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 2:38Alex Cooper?

  How are you doing? We're hot.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Sweaty and pregnant. I tell everybody, everyone will like say, oh, you're glowing. And I'm like, no, I'm sweating because I'm either nauseous or it's too hot in here.

• 2:49Alex Cooper?

  You look amazing, though.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 2:51Alex Cooper?

  This is like, I'm not trying to gas you up, but you have the most gorgeous skin.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  That is very kind.

• 2:56Alex Cooper?

  No, because when I met, okay, so we've met before.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:59Alex Cooper?

  We met on the sidelines at the Eagles game. Was that two weeks ago?

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Two weeks ago.

• 3:03Alex Cooper?

  That was such a fucking good game.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  I guess it was three weeks ago now.

• 3:05Alex Cooper?

  Three weeks.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Pro Bowl.

• 3:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, three weeks ago. That was such an insane game, the snow, all of it. But I remember we met for the first time and that was my first impression of you. I was like, why is her skin so perfect?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  You are far too kind.

• 3:17Alex Cooper?

  Shout out.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  Far too kind.

• 3:18Alex Cooper?

  Um, I'm so happy we're doing this. I think people are gonna freak the fuck out that we're getting to sit down together.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  I hope so.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  I think so. They're like, this is actually-

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Otherwise, I'm so sorry to the Call Her Daddy audience.

• 3:28Alex Cooper?

  The Daddy Gang's like, what the fuck? No, people are gonna be excited. First of all, just to give context, we are sitting in these like horrid, amazing recliner chairs.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  Thank God my husband didn't come.

• 3:39Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 3:39Speaker 03

  He would have been like, how fast can you ship these back to our house?

• 3:42Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  This is, this is my husband's style chair.

• 3:45Alex Cooper?

  I, they're actually so fucking ugly.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  But they, but they swallow you up.

• 3:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, oh, they're cozy. And I do think-

• 3:53Speaker 03

  That's all he cares about.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  By the end, we could recline.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Oh, perfect.

• 3:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, we can like get cozy.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Oh, great.

• 3:58Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna start professional and then we're gonna-

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Fuck ankle swelling. I got this. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna get our feet elevated.

• 4:03Alex Cooper?

  But I got this set up for us and I was like, it's ugly, but it is indicative of where we are. We're in New Orleans, Super Bowl is tomorrow. I feel like you've probably been to a lot of Super Bowls, right?

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:12Alex Cooper?

  What is the most like, like favorite memory you have of a Super Bowl? Anything?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  I mean, I would love to say Minnesota, but I don't have that many memories because I blacked out.

• 4:25Alex Cooper?

  Classic. Can you give some context to people that aren't familiar with what you're talking about?

• 4:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the Eagles won the Super Bowl, uh, Super Bowl 52 in Minnesota. And, um, it was incredible. It was, I mean, my husband was the center at the time. It was unreal to watch. And also I'm from Philadelphia, so I knew what it meant to the city. But the stress, like even thinking about it was making me sweat again. Um, the stress of watching him play, knowing what it meant to the city, and also that we hadn't had one.

• 5:00Alex Cooper?

  I grew up in Pennsylvania and so like being,

• 5:02Speaker 03

  You get it.

• 5:03Alex Cooper?

  I get it. And we've been through a lot and Philly fans,

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Been through too much.

• 5:07Alex Cooper?

  We are, it's aggressive, like.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  That's a very nice way to say it.

• 5:12Alex Cooper?

  Really? How would, yeah, yeah. How would you describe Philly fans?

• 5:14Speaker 03

  I mean, we're appalling. And I say we because like I fully embrace the fact that it's all of us.

• 5:21Alex Cooper?

  You partake?

• 5:22Speaker 03

  I mean, there are some times where I think fans, like specifically Philly fans, get a bad rap.

• 5:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Because of viral moments. I do not claim them.

• 5:33Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Although there was a little kid who like tapped someone on the shoulder or something at a game and then just like flipped him the bird. And I was like, I do claim that.

• 5:43Alex Cooper?

  You're like, actually, I love that kid.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  I can don't.

• 5:46Alex Cooper?

  I actually love that child. Obviously, your husband's retired now, but when he was playing, what was the energy like in your household on game day?

• 5:53Speaker 03

  Horrific.

• 5:54Alex Cooper?

  Okay, walk me through it.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I would like start like manifesting superstitions as if that was gonna help. Like always put my left shoe on before my right, uh, make sure that like certain things, if I needed to switch spots while the game was happening, that I did that. There was one game where I was folding laundry for our girls. It was a late night game and I bent down next to the laundry basket and suddenly there was like a really good run and I was like, well, now I'm crouching next to a laundry basket. And for the rest of the game, which was like 30 to 40 minutes, I crouched next to the laundry basket.

• 6:32Alex Cooper?

  Your daughters are like, mommy.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Somewhere. I sent it to my other friend who is another wife of a player and was like, am I squatting next to a laundry basket? Yes. Am I going to stop? No.

• 6:43Alex Cooper?

  No. Are we gonna win? Yes.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Did they win?

• 6:45Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Period. Saying it's because I was crouching next to the laundry basket, but I'm not willing to risk it.

• 6:51Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely not.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  You see what I'm saying?

• 6:52Alex Cooper?

  I,

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Logically.

• 6:54Alex Cooper?

  I love the energy. You're like, if this is working, we're gonna fucking keep with it.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:58Alex Cooper?

  Wait, are you now still doing that though for the Eagles? Like even now that he's not playing, are you still giving that energy?

• 7:04Speaker 03

  To some degree.

• 7:05Alex Cooper?

  Okay. You've,

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Not, yes.

• 7:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Okay. And honestly, I think it's mostly just because during games, like my kid, like I'm not going to the stadium anymore for home games. And so then, like, I basically tell, like, I have to, like, help my kids with things and they pull me out.

• 7:21Alex Cooper?

  Is it weird that you're not going? Like, is it sad?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:24Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. No.

• 7:26Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Because I get to say all of the expletives that I would like to say in the comfort of my living room.

• 7:32Alex Cooper?

  And no one gets to film you doing it.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:34Alex Cooper?

  Who do you think would get more nervous before a game, you or him?

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Me.

• 7:37Alex Cooper?

  You. You were freaking out.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  I don't think that he really got nervous.

• 7:40Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 7:41Speaker 03

  No. I mean...

• 7:42Alex Cooper?

  I guess it makes sense, right?

• 7:44Speaker 03

  He did it for 13 years.

• 7:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, true. How do you feel about his flip flops?

• 7:48Speaker 03

  I'm so used to them, it doesn't even faze me. I do think it's funny that there's a population of women that are like, "That's the most appalling thing I've ever seen," and I'm out here like...

• 7:56Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Really? That's what, that's what a turnoff is?

• 7:59Alex Cooper?

  I actually like that he kind of rolls in himself.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  They're so disturbed at the fact that they can see his toes, and I'm like, "I've seen worse toes. I'm okay with it. I live with those toes."

• 8:08Alex Cooper?

  Like, I've seen them up-

• 8:09Speaker 03

  I sleep next to those toes. Why would I be disturbed with it?

• 8:12Alex Cooper?

  They rub up against me occasionally. That's a good answer. Um, okay, your podcast.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:17Alex Cooper?

  First of all, not gonna lie, congratulations. It is-

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 8:21Alex Cooper?

  So fucking refreshing and incredible to see a woman up on the charts doing her thing. How have you been feeling about it all?

• 8:29Speaker 03

  It's, it's interesting to talk to myself.

• 8:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  I absolutely love the audience that I'm hitting now. I'm so happy that it's settled into the demographic that it was intended for. Like, it was intended for women. So sorry, men. I have had quite a few men tell me that they listen-

• 8:49Alex Cooper?

  That's nice.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  -which I think is lovely, but, um, it's, it's not, it's meant for, it's meant for who it's meant for. And, um, I wanted it to settle into that. Like, you want to hit the listeners who you're intending.

• 9:04Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, I'm gonna ask you some questions, and you're gonna have to tell the truth, because obviously you're not gonna lie.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  I love this. Let me dab my upper lip.

• 9:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, dab the upper lip. You don't look like you're sweating.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  That's really great, because I'm pretty sure I have, like, ass, like, it's pooling in my ass.

• 9:20Alex Cooper?

  That's the worst when you're wearing jeans and somehow you see the sweat through the jeans.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  That's what's about to happen.

• 9:24Alex Cooper?

  You have the asshole sweat. I'm never gonna look.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Don't worry, I'll moon your camera before you leave.

• 9:29Alex Cooper?

  And you wore a cable knit fucking sweater.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  To be fair, I was so comfy when I started walking and the sun here is just.

• 9:37Alex Cooper?

  Oh, it's humid out there.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  I'm not even mad about it.

• 9:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  Because I'm pretty sure there's like a snow day back in Philadelphia.

• 9:43Alex Cooper?

  I agree. Okay. What is the fastest way to piss you off?

• 10:03Alex Cooper?

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• 10:48Alex Cooper?

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• 14:28Speaker 03

  Ooh, lie. When people lie, I'm like, for what purpose? I, I'm not an overly sensitive person. I, it takes like, like a lot for me to be bothered by something. I grew up in a house where like picking on each other was fun.

• 14:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  So like, I can take it. When people lie, I'm like, for what? What did that do for you?

• 14:51Alex Cooper?

  What is the most humbling thing that your daughters have said to you recently?

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Uh, your belly's big?

• 14:59Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:00Alex Cooper?

  What do you say when they say that?

• 15:01Speaker 03

  I'm like, because mom is growing a human being. That's why mom's belly is big.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, they'll, they'll humble you all the time. Like my, our youngest, it's not, not too long ago, maybe a couple of weeks ago, looked right at me and was like, uh, boobs? And I was like, yes. This was in the morning. I had just gotten out of the shower. I'm like getting dressed. She's sitting on the bed and she goes boobs? And I said, yes. And she goes, belly? And I was like, okay, guys, there is a human being.

• 15:29Alex Cooper?

  One of you is in here.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  I'm trying to give you a sibling.

• 15:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 15:34Alex Cooper?

  And it's gonna be four?

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yes, four. But like, four girls is better than four boys.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  When I meet boy moms, I'm like, God bless you.

• 15:46Alex Cooper?

  God bless.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  I don't, even my mother-in-law, like my mother-in-law has told me horror stories of, there is a story about my husband, when he was little, going out in the front yard. And Donna, my mother-in-law,

• 15:58Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  Heard someone go, he has a knife. He was in the front yard with the kitchen knives, throwing them up in the air to see if they would stick in the front lawn.

• 16:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but do you think that younger years, it's harder with for boys, but then when you're, when the girls get to like high school?

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Oh, I already told my husband, he can move out as long as he visits me. That's what I told him. You have to visit me, but you can move out. Like, I'm prepared to take the hit.

• 16:23Alex Cooper?

  Do you realize, because you know how you were like in high school?

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:27Alex Cooper?

  And I know how I was like in high school.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:29Alex Cooper?

  And no matter what parameter you were at, whether you were crazy or normal, like, girls in high school,

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Bruh.

• 16:34Alex Cooper?

  That shit is horrible.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  I always say the only thing worse than high school girls is middle school girls.

• 16:39Alex Cooper?

  Period.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:41Alex Cooper?

  What is the craziest rumor you've ever heard about yourself?

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  The boy one is the most, the most frequent. I don't know if it's crazy that I'm, that we're having a boy. That we tried for a boy.

• 16:54Alex Cooper?

  Interesting. Why do you think people are saying that?

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Because they really want us to have a boy. I will say, there is this, there was this moment when we found out we were having our fourth girl, where I was like, we've always said we wanted four kids. I'm like, maybe, maybe I won't get to meet a little Jason, which was a little bit weird. But at the same time, I'm like, if we had a boy, at this point, I'm good. I've gone this long without getting peed on when I open a diaper. I'm trying to keep that streak alive.

• 17:23Alex Cooper?

  Maybe we're like good with one Jason.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  One Jason is enough. I think that's what the universe has said.

• 17:28Alex Cooper?

  I agree. How do you feel about the word wag?

• 17:31Speaker 03

  I don't like it.

• 17:32Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 17:33Speaker 03

  I don't like it because I think it has a serious negative connotation attached. I think that it's this suggestion that your spouse's profession swallows you up as well. And I have made a serious effort to make sure that, and both Jason and I have made a serious effort to make sure that while he was playing, that it was clear that that was his job.

• 17:55Alex Cooper?

  Interesting.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  In the same way that someone would go to work and come home and not necessarily talk about. Their entire day, you're filing taxes, you're you're doing spreadsheets like you're not coming home and telling your spouse about like the spreadsheet you worked out.

• 18:11Alex Cooper?

  I agree. Like, I think that now what I appreciate is even like I was telling you before this, like speaking to the Wags yesterday, I appreciate how people are being more vocal about like what they do independently. And I think sometimes it can freak people out when it's like, wait, you're just even if you are like, holding down the household, it's like, people don't understand that these women do have their own independent lives with their husband, obviously. And I think people like to just be like, no, your your husband is just like an NFL player. So you just like are in it for the money or the fame or whatever. And it's like, no, these are like real humans with real lives and feelings and.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  And the vast majority, it's it's so funny to me because it's like, it is that stigma of like, you're with them because they make a lot of money or like you want designer bags or you want, you live in a mansion. It's like, no, I like, there have been a number of people who've come to our house and they're like, oh, I'm like, again, not easily offended. I'm like, yep, that's what you get.

• 19:12Alex Cooper?

  Well, now that you said your husband would want these chairs, I'm getting.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  They would fit.

• 19:16Alex Cooper?

  Will they fit in your?

• 19:17Speaker 03

  In.

• 19:18Alex Cooper?

  I love you. I love you. Okay, what is a weird item that is always in your bag?

• 19:24Speaker 03

  That's a good question.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  For a while, because I was doing like event consulting, I had zip ties in my.

• 19:36Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's weird. That's fucking weird.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Because when the one day I realized how weird it was when I went to get something at like, chapstick or something. And someone was like, is that a zip tie? And I was like, oh, my God, you think this is like kinky.

• 19:53Alex Cooper?

  Kinky.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  I I it's so that signs don't fall down.

• 19:56Alex Cooper?

  I agree. If I saw that, I'd be like Kylie.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  What is wrong?

• 19:59Alex Cooper?

  Kylie, what are you chasing up to with that headboard?

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Nothing. Nothing. I'm trying to keep signs on walls, guys. It's so, yeah.

• 20:07Alex Cooper?

  It's not that hot.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I have since I have since moved on. They are no longer in my bag.

• 20:11Alex Cooper?

  That's probably a good look. What is something you used to be embarrassed? About, but you don't give a fuck about anymore.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Oh, my height.

• 20:17Alex Cooper?

  Oh, interesting. Yeah. Tell me about that.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Um, I was five, 10 going into high school, taller than every guy in my grade. Which can really like set you up for some weird uh feedback from the opposite sex.

• 20:33Alex Cooper?

  What did they say?

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Oh, I was a man. Like it was all of like the, they felt emasculated by the fact that I was taller than them.

• 20:39Alex Cooper?

  Of course.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  By the time I got to like senior year, I was like, you guys can go fuck yourselves.

• 20:43Alex Cooper?

  Truly. And then those little like fucking five, eight squirts. You're like, shut the fuck up.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Well, the best part is my dad is six, nine. So like when I would.

• 20:50Alex Cooper?

  Your dad is six, nine?

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yes. And my mom's only five, two. So I've never been alarmed at either end of the height spectrum.

• 20:58Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  So I never realized how tall I was until people started picking on me about how tall I was.

• 21:03Alex Cooper?

  It's so infuriating when boys are picking on you in middle school or high school and you're like, it's so.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  This is a you problem.

• 21:12Alex Cooper?

  Yes. You're so insecure and you're looking at me and you're like, I'm fucking gorgeous. Get away from me.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Oh, by senior year, I was like, you guys can suck my ass.

• 21:20Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm gonna wear heels to crawl.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Down there anyway. Have at it.

• 21:23Alex Cooper?

  Oh, fuck.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  It's mean.

• 21:26Alex Cooper?

  That was a good one. No, that was good. Um, okay, wait. Yeah. So you grew up in Philadelphia.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:30Alex Cooper?

  What were you like as a kid?

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Uh, well behaved. I'm a rule follower.

• 21:35Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Big time rule follower. Oh, if someone's like, you can't go there. I'm like, I can't go there. And then like, our team will be like, Kylie, you have to, you have to say like, you're supposed to be in there.

• 21:46Alex Cooper?

  I wouldn't expect that.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  I'm such a rule follower. My husband is the opposite. We really compliment each other on that.

• 21:52Alex Cooper?

  He just busted the doors.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  He's like, a barrier? Fuck it. I like, I'm like, there's a sign that says we can't.

• 21:57Alex Cooper?

  We're not allowed to do that. It's kind of like me and my husband. Matt will always be like, you just, you have to act like you know, like.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Oh, I can't do it.

• 22:02Alex Cooper?

  If you walk straight through, no one's gonna ask you a question.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 22:05Alex Cooper?

  I'm kind of the same.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  I'm like, I don't have a pass. I can't go there.

• 22:09Alex Cooper?

  Like, I feel like you couldn't just go in, but I never could. Okay, that's, why do you think we're like that?

• 22:13Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'm, I don't know if it's, I don't know.

• 22:18Alex Cooper?

  I get anxiety.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  Like, kids in high school used to be like, oh, I'm gonna skip this class. And I would be like, my mom will find out. My five foot two mother will find out.

• 22:25Alex Cooper?

  Wait, were your parents strict growing up?

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Not really, no. I mean, like, I think at the time I would have said yes, but not really. I was like playing sports, so like I wasn't going to house parties regularly because I was, I was, had a field hockey tournament to get up for for the next day and.

• 22:41Alex Cooper?

  What was your social life like in high school?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Trash. Uh, yeah, I mean, I li- I really like my field hockey team, my club field hockey team were where I like spent the most time on the weekends.

• 22:52Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  I was not like a partier. I still am not a partier. I really don't drink.

• 22:59Alex Cooper?

  I'm a little hungover.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Are you?

• 23:01Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  See, I love the idea of getting up the next morning and being like, I can eat breakfast happily and like go about my day.

• 23:07Alex Cooper?

  I love that feeling too, and I wish I felt like that.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  My husband, I feel like he had that experience this morning. It was like, this is delightful. But for the last like four days, we've been like, uh, are you alive?

• 23:19Alex Cooper?

  Does he get hungover?

• 23:21Speaker 03

  I think he would try, he would like to say no, but he does.

• 23:24Alex Cooper?

  He's lying. Um, okay, did you ever date in high school?

• 23:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 23:28Alex Cooper?

  No?

• 23:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 23:29Alex Cooper?

  You, no, when did you have your first kiss?

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Wha- oh, oh, God. Ooh.

• 23:33Alex Cooper?

  Tell me.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Five days before my junior year of high school.

• 23:36Alex Cooper?

  It's so specific.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Because I was so alarmed by the fact that I was going to be a junior in high school and had never even like touched lips with another human being.

• 23:44Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did it happen?

• 23:46Speaker 03

  I just kissed a guy.

• 23:48Alex Cooper?

  You just walked up to him?

• 23:50Speaker 03

  He literally was like, oh, I'll come over and hang out. And I was like, you can't come over and hang out. Like, my dad's here.

• 23:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you, your first kiss in high school?

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 23:57Alex Cooper?

  Junior year?

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:58Alex Cooper?

  Who was your first boyfriend?

• 23:59Speaker 03

  When I was, when I graduated high school.

• 24:02Alex Cooper?

  What did your parents think about him?

• 24:04Speaker 03

  He was fine.

• 24:05Alex Cooper?

  He was okay?

• 24:05Speaker 03

  I mean, we, I think we dated for like three months.

• 24:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but you were. Dating like bad boys. Good guys? No. Good guys.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  I am not into like the douche. That bothers me.

• 24:16Alex Cooper?

  That's good.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Um, like anything, anyone that's like, like trying to be cool. I'm like, no.

• 24:22Alex Cooper?

  You're disgusting. Get away.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  I mean, my husband was in competition jazz band in high school. Like there is, even though he's a jock, there's a degree of nerd.

• 24:30Alex Cooper?

  Wait, he was?

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Yes, he was a saxophone, a Barry sax player and what like, and that speaks to me. Like that.

• 24:38Alex Cooper?

  Like, that's what gets me going.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Back to my husband, like I make jokes about my husband not being like a Rico Suave, like not being very smooth, like

• 24:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  being terrible. Like he'll get hit on by women and I'm like, hello, she's hitting. And he's like, no, she wasn't. And I'm like, I'm like, you're so cute.

• 24:51Alex Cooper?

  Wait, that is adorable.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  That's what, like that.

• 24:54Alex Cooper?

  That's what got you going.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:55Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. You ended up going to Cabrini University?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:59Alex Cooper?

  What was your reputation on campus? Cause that's a small campus, right?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Itty bitty.

• 25:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, tiny.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  The athletes all stuck together. So I feel like it was very close knit.

• 25:07Alex Cooper?

  I had the same thing, like all the best. Just like your family.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:10Alex Cooper?

  Which is, I think like I, I always said, whenever people ask me for advice about going to college, I was like, even if you're not an athlete, like, if you can get into a group.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:18Alex Cooper?

  You are going to thrive, like join a fucking, the jazz club or whatever the fuck it is. Um, because then you have like 20 people already that are your friends. And I had that immediately when I got in there.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:28Alex Cooper?

  And then you don't feel like you're like a floundering fish, right?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Alone.

• 25:32Alex Cooper?

  Did you get into dating?

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Uh, I was dating someone in the beginning of college.

• 25:36Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  For like a couple of years.

• 25:38Alex Cooper?

  Did you go to parties?

• 25:39Speaker 03

  I would go to parties and be like the designated driver. Like I would make sure, I was like a mother hen. Like I would make sure everyone got home.

• 25:47Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I love that.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  I still have like college teammates. When I see them, they'll be like, mom. Like they don't call me by my first name.

• 25:53Alex Cooper?

  So you've always kind of had that like motherly energy about you.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  And when I went to college, I was the 21 year old freshman transfer. Like I went to community college first.

• 26:00Alex Cooper?

  Got it. Yep.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  So I was automatically like, I was a freshman that could get into bars.

• 26:04Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I love that for you.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  Because of course I was a rule follower and never had a fake ID.

• 26:09Alex Cooper?

  You never had a faith?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  When I tell you like a rule follower, I mean a rule follower.

• 26:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so what is like the most trouble you've ever gotten in your life? You're like, I've been arrested, actually.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  I did jail time? No.

• 26:22Alex Cooper?

  You don't know that I went to prison? I'm like, what?

• 26:24Speaker 03

  That's so weird. You want to see my prison?

• 26:27Alex Cooper?

  Do you not? Have you never gotten in that much trouble?

• 26:29Speaker 03

  No. The worst is that I, the worst that's ever happened is like I got pulled over for going like forty in a twenty-five.

• 26:38Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  And I apologize profusely, profusely.

• 26:43Alex Cooper?

  I can't even look at you right now. I feel like a horrible person. Okay, um, we're gonna play a game. One of your favorite phrases is, I have no business doing that. So I'm gonna give you a scenario and you tell me if you do it or you have no business doing that. Dye your hair platinum blonde.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  No business.

• 26:59Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever dyed your hair?

• 27:01Speaker 03

  I mean, I get highlights, but nothing, absolutely, you could, no.

• 27:05Alex Cooper?

  You look, you have really gorgeous hair.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  That's very kind.

• 27:07Alex Cooper?

  Um, getting a matching tattoo with Jason.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  No, I think that's a jinx.

• 27:12Alex Cooper?

  You do?

• 27:12Speaker 03

  I have no business doing that. I do, do you have a, do you have a matching tattoo?

• 27:16Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely not.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Okay, good.

• 27:18Alex Cooper?

  Uh, you're, you're like, I think that is such trash behavior. And I'm literally like, right here, we got this on our wedding.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  There are, I've seen so many ones where I'm like, that is the sweetest little like hint of, uh, no.

• 27:29Alex Cooper?

  No. Do you have a tattoo?

• 27:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 27:30Alex Cooper?

  I don't have any either.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  I, I just, it's more of a commitment thing. Like, I don't, I still have not seen something where I'm like, I want that on my body.

• 27:38Alex Cooper?

  I feel the same exact way.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  I do it.

• 27:41Alex Cooper?

  Same, but I'm like, there's nothing that I can even picture for a second that I'd like, this needs to be on me till I'm ninety. I changed my mind. I don't know what I want, right?

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:50Alex Cooper?

  Me in college, making a decision of a tattoo.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  You'd have an infinity symbol?

• 27:54Alex Cooper?

  I would hate myself.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  With a heart?

• 27:58Alex Cooper?

  And I would want you to bully me and be like, why?

• 28:00Speaker 03

  That's just it. I don't.

• 28:02Alex Cooper?

  The infinity symbol, I shout.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Out to the girls that got it on a whim.

• 28:07Alex Cooper?

  That are living, that are with infinity.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  And beyond, that's it.

• 28:12Alex Cooper?

  Wait, does your husband have tattoos?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  He does not.

• 28:14Alex Cooper?

  Does Travis have tattoos?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  I don't think so. He, Jason and Travis talked very briefly about getting like their, like the Kelsey crest.

• 28:23Alex Cooper?

  Oh, interesting. Do you think it's gonna happen?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:26Alex Cooper?

  I don't think they should, but who am I to say?

• 28:28Speaker 03

  I don't think they should either.

• 28:29Alex Cooper?

  I, like, I'm not a tattoo person, but I respect people that are.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  I think that, I love like women with like little dainty tattoos. I think they're so sweet. I think that for a guy, you either need to be fully committed, like you need to be tatted. Or none at all.

• 28:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like lean in or just stop. Moving on. Um, film a reality show about your family.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  No business.

• 28:54Alex Cooper?

  You would never, ever, never.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Here's the thing, you don't wanna, you don't wanna be an hour. The reason it hasn't happened, we are not that interested.

• 29:02Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  I tell people all the time, you, you catch me on a random Tuesday, we're gonna be in the kitchen coloring. I'm gonna be yelled at about snacks and filling water bottles. Someone's gonna be screaming from upstairs, I'm done pooping. And I'm like, okay.

• 29:16Alex Cooper?

  That's actually true. Can you, is it, is it weird for you that so many people are like so fascinated with your lives?

• 29:24Speaker 03

  I feel, I seriously, I have like a legitimate amount of guilt associated with the fact that people are like, you're amazing. And I'm like, I'm not. You're like, girl, I'm so sorry to disappoint. When people meet me and they're like, I'm so excited to meet you. I'm like, I'm so sorry to let you down.

• 29:38Alex Cooper?

  Kylie.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  It's just like.

• 29:40Alex Cooper?

  I get what you mean though. I think that is something that's so crazy when you meet, you see people on the internet or in tabloids or whatever the fuck. And you're like, you have this idea and then you meet them. It's like, guys, we're all just like normal human beings. We're all shitting, we're all dealing with life, like, we're all sweating, we have ass sweat.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  We all put our, we all put our sweaty pants on the same way.

• 29:57Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. Would you ever attend the Met Gala?

• 29:59Speaker 03

  No, good God, no. I wear fucking Chuck Taylors when I'm supposed to dress up, okay?

• 30:06Alex Cooper?

  I, what?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:08Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, Anna Wintour's quaking. Um, okay. She's like, but I sent you an invitation.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  She would never.

• 30:15Alex Cooper?

  Would you ever throw a Phillies first pitch?

• 30:19Speaker 03

  No, I have no business doing that.

• 30:20Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 30:21Speaker 03

  I have no business doing that.

• 30:22Alex Cooper?

  No, you do.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  I'll be on the side. I, I'll take a ride on the Philly Fanatic four wheeler.

• 30:28Alex Cooper?

  You're not gonna throw the ball.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  But I'm not throwing the ball.

• 30:29Alex Cooper?

  But you could throw it.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, a thousand, I have full faith that I can throw it.

• 30:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay, um, would you ever go on a silent wellness retreat?

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Maybe. To, to, ask me when I get back to my kids. Right now, I'm like, no.

• 30:43Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  But if, when I get back to my kids, there might be

• 30:46Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Alex?

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Four days, I'm gonna be like, Alex, how about that silent wellness?

• 30:49Alex Cooper?

  Did you have a connect for that? Where are we going? Um, dress in disguise to hide from paparazzi?

• 30:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:55Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  I probably wouldn't. I'd just flip them off.

• 30:58Alex Cooper?

  Love, love, you're honest. Um, renew your vows.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  I don't really feel the need to. It was only seven years ago. I know what I said.

• 31:08Alex Cooper?

  I kind of feel the same way. Maybe when we hit like

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Twenty?

• 31:12Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:13Alex Cooper?

  Twenty, do you think twenty or thirty?

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Alex Cooper?

  Thirty feels like a milestone.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  I do think it would be cool with, I, I mean, we just had like a great time at our wedding. It would be cool to like get everybody back together.

• 31:27Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that would be fun. Wait, where did you have your wedding?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  At the Logan Hotel in Philadelphia.

• 31:31Alex Cooper?

  Lovely.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Yes, we did a little, a little homestay.

• 31:36Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what was the song at your first, for your first dance?

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Um, You Are The Best Thing.

• 31:41Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  By Ray LaMontagne.

• 31:43Alex Cooper?

  What was your favorite part of your wedding?

• 31:44Speaker 03

  I loved our ceremony. We had, it was like very intimate. It felt really nice. Our dog, which was like my soul dog, was our flower girl. She nailed it. She was so good.

• 31:57Alex Cooper?

  Is she still with you?

• 31:59Speaker 03

  She's not. She passed away in March.

• 32:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh man, I'm so sorry.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  It's okay. She's, she's, uh, it was the right decision.

• 32:06Alex Cooper?

  Are you ever gonna get another dog?

• 32:07Speaker 03

  We tried.

• 32:09Alex Cooper?

  Oh, okay.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  We still have one.

• 32:11Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  He's delightful.

• 32:13Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  Dumbass, but he's delightful. He's not my soul dog.

• 32:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  He's not.

• 32:18Alex Cooper?

  What is his name?

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Baloo.

• 32:20Alex Cooper?

  Baloo?

• 32:20Speaker 03

  Baloo, like the bear from the Jungle Book.

• 32:22Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Our girls call him Bubba.

• 32:24Alex Cooper?

  You, but you're not like vibing with Baloo?

• 32:26Speaker 03

  No, I love him now. When, as soon as Winnie passed, I was like, okay, you, we'll be cool now. But like while Winnie was still alive, I was like, you know Winnie's it.

• 32:34Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I guess. That what you're saying. I feel that way about my dog Henry right now. I'm like, I love you Bruce, but like Henry is like the OG. I wonder if that like affects how they feel about themselves.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  My, my oldest daughter, well, we were talking about like me carrying a baby right now.

• 32:47Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  She was like, well, you had a baby before me. And I was like, excuse me?

• 32:52Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  And she goes, yeah, Winnie, because I've called Winnie my firstborn child so many times. My oldest daughter thinks that I carried the Irish wolfhound in my womb.

• 33:02Alex Cooper?

  It must be so wild to have children when you say things like as an adult, it must take a minute to realize how much shit sticks with them. You're like, oh, you really believed that concept? I didn't realize that was like penetrating you in the way that I was just like saying it because it's like a normal statement. And now she's like, mommy, you had a wolf.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, you had a wolfhound in your belly. You grew Winnie. It was your firstborn child.

• 33:26Alex Cooper?

  Let's wait. Do you have a name? Obviously you're not gonna tell me, but like, have you guys talked about?

• 33:29Speaker 03

  If I had any, so if I had a name, I would tell you.

• 33:31Alex Cooper?

  No, you wouldn't have to, but oh, okay.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  No, I would. I'm not.

• 33:34Alex Cooper?

  You don't know yet.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  So when we were having our first daughter, people told me like, don't tell people what you're gonna name your kid. Cause then you get reactions. And I'm like, I don't think you understand. I really don't care at that point. Like if I've chosen.

• 33:45Alex Cooper?

  We're going with it.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  It's, that's it.

• 33:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Um, we had that situation with Wyatt. Our oldest is Wyatt. People are disturbed by the fact that we've named her Wyatt.

• 33:54Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 33:55Speaker 03

  She's very much a Wyatt. Anyone that meets her is like, oh, that's a Wyatt.

• 33:58Alex Cooper?

  People did not like that you, they just feel so annoying. Like literally shut up.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  You know what? Her emails are gonna be answered so fast. Kiss my ass.

• 34:07Alex Cooper?

  Facts.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:08Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, let's talk about your marriage.

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• 36:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:48Alex Cooper?

  You met Jason on Tinder.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  I did.

• 36:50Alex Cooper?

  Before you matched with him, were you like looking for a relationship?

• 36:55Speaker 03

  No. We were just messing around. We did it like all my friends in college. We would like sit around and like swipe together.

• 37:01Alex Cooper?

  I would do that too. And half of the time, if I matched with someone, I'd be like, wait, you're better for him. Like, let's go. And like, you end up going with him.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  We would, we would get the same people and be like, oh, did you swipe right on him?

• 37:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I swiped right. I matched with him. Swipe right and see if you match. And then we would start having conversations that were like parallel conversations.

• 37:15Alex Cooper?

  Half the time, also, I was doing it just for a social life. I'm like, let's see, do they have parties? Like, let's go, like, meet anyone you can in college. And you're just trying to get like the hookups. I feel like you guys are like literally Tinder's biggest success story. Have they ever reached out to you?

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Right before we got married, they did send a care package. It was like a lot of like flame merch.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  It was great.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  The perfect match.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Or signs that said that.

• 37:44Alex Cooper?

  No, that is.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:48Alex Cooper?

  What was it about his profile that like stuck out to you?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  He looked like a bigger guy.

• 37:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  He was actually, there were pictures of him next to people. And I was like, oh, he's kind of like dwarfing them a little bit.

• 38:02Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Which, everyone wants to feel like small girl.

• 38:06Alex Cooper?

  Everyone wants, everyone wants that.

• 38:10Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I can just get in there.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  He also, his bio, which you can still find somewhere on the internet.

• 38:15Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's so good. That I love the internet.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  It's somewhere. Was some sarcastic ass, like, I'm here to make an emotional connection. I want to have long talks about like having babies and something else. I'm like, you're such a dumbass.

• 38:30Alex Cooper?

  I love it.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  I can't wait to roast the shit out of you.

• 38:33Alex Cooper?

  Do you guys have that type of relationship?

• 38:34Speaker 03

  We will go back and forth very much. It's, I love it because it's like the house I grew up in.

• 38:40Alex Cooper?

  I, I get that.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  There's comfort.

• 38:41Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, I know you've said this before, but if my daddy gang doesn't know, can you talk about the first, who sent the first message and what these messages were? No, it's so good.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Uh, I sent the first message.

• 38:51Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  I said, I need life alert. I've fallen for you and I can't get up.

• 38:57Alex Cooper?

  Kylie.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  That one didn't land very well. He was like, that's not that great. And I was like, I love a challenge. So then I went back with, this is so bad.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  This is so bad. Uh, if I told you I work for UPS, would you let me handle your package?

• 39:17Speaker 03

  And he said, yes.

• 39:21Alex Cooper?

  He said, absolutely. That's a better one. Where do you want to go on a date?

• 39:24Speaker 03

  I feel much better about this now. Yeah.

• 39:27Alex Cooper?

  We, and then were you guys like talking and then you went on a date?

• 39:30Speaker 03

  So then we just had, like, we were messaging for a probably a week. And it was great banter.

• 39:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  And a little bit into the banter. I was like, obviously talking to the friends who we would like swipe with.

• 39:47Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  And they were like, I was like, I don't know why, but this guy looks kind of familiar. Oh, so then we start Googling. With all the information we had, Jason, 27, Philadelphia.

• 40:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  Then I was like, he had to have been an athlete because you could just tell by his build. So then I'm, then I'm looking up like. Philadelphia college roster, because like you can find anyone on a college roster.

• 40:09Alex Cooper?

  Wait, he didn't have a picture of him like in his jersey?

• 40:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:12Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. I feel like all the douches on Raya that have their like fucking profile picture with them and like their Ravens jersey. It's like. He, he didn't lead with that?

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Years later, I said something in front of him about, well, he had nothing on his profile, like no pictures. And he was like, yes, I did. I was like, no, you didn't. Come to find out, one of the photos. That he had used was actually a television shot. But because of the way Tinder formatted the picture.

• 40:42Alex Cooper?

  Oh, it cracked.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  It chopped everything. So then the ticker at the bottom, the like graphic at the top that showed that it was a football game. Was completely cut out. And so all it was, was like a tight shot of him with like his beard and he was like well groomed. And I was like, I had, I didn't, if now like remembering the picture, like it makes sense. But there was no indication.

• 41:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but that's still is like a very big green flag because I do think it's like, if you are a professional athlete and you're feeling like you have to lead with your uniform.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Say less. We know what you're out here for. I mean, I, here's the thing.

• 41:22Alex Cooper?

  It's true.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Do it.

• 41:23Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Do your thing.

• 41:24Alex Cooper?

  Do your thing.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Do your thing.

• 41:25Alex Cooper?

  But Jason wasn't doing that.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 41:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what was your first impression when you met him in person for the first time?

• 41:31Speaker 03

  He was hammered, like drunk drunk.

• 41:33Alex Cooper?

  Already before, like, were you guys going on a date or you were just going to hang out?

• 41:36Speaker 03

  I was just going to meet up with him. So after we figured out who he was by Googling.

• 41:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  We thought it was a catfish. My friends and I were like, there's no, why would he be on Tinder? That's so.

• 41:45Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  So after a couple of days, he said, come and meet us out at this bar. And my friend, the one, you know, like you have that friend that's just like ride or die.

• 41:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like, let's go.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  We gotta see how this pans out. She got, made a great point. It's either going to be a catfish, which is hilarious.

• 42:04Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Or it's gonna be him, also hilarious.

• 42:07Alex Cooper?

  Both options are great.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  We're going to find out.

• 42:09Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  So we went and met him at a bar in Philly. We walk in and he's sitting at the bar and I'm like, oh, so it's not a catfish. He has since claimed that like, it was like, a light came, like a light came down, an angel. I'm like, no, you were fucking shitfaced, okay?

• 42:26Alex Cooper?

  You could barely see out of your left eye.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Your eyes were going opposite direction.

• 42:30Alex Cooper?

  Wait, why did he ever explain like why he was on Tinder?

• 42:34Speaker 03

  No, I think he was just messing around.

• 42:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like he was just like looking, but I get what you're saying, like, people would assume he's a catfish because it's like, why is Jason Kelsey on Tinder?

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:44Alex Cooper?

  But maybe that was like the allure.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  We met before he did like the mummer suit, the, before all that. So he was like a little bit quieter then, but even Philadelphia is such a crazy fanbase that they know the offensive lineman. So, yeah.

• 43:00Alex Cooper?

  It's kind of fun. Did anyone notice him when you guys were there?

• 43:02Speaker 03

  Well, it was after the Eagles Christmas party, so he was there with like a bunch of his teammates.

• 43:07Alex Cooper?

  Oh, so that's why he was fucking hammered.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Yes. Oh, annihilated. And there are like stories after the fact of like what he was doing at the Christmas party. And I'm like, I don't even know how you made it to the bar.

• 43:16Alex Cooper?

  Right, like, I don't know how you remembered me.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Yes. He remembered, he remembered me walking in.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  And then at some point tasting the Shirley Temple that I had ordered because it was the only non-alcoholic drink he had had that day. So he was like, it was the most refreshing sip I had had in what felt like weeks.

• 43:33Alex Cooper?

  I love that for Jason. He's like, oh yeah, thank you so much. Give me some hydration.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 43:36Alex Cooper?

  Um, did you have any like hesitations about dating a professional athlete?

• 43:41Speaker 03

  I told no one.

• 43:43Alex Cooper?

  Interesting.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  For months.

• 43:45Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Because if it was a situation where it was going to be like, uh, like we hooked up and that was it, I didn't want to be like, uh, because after a few times of hanging out, I was like, shit.

• 44:00Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  You're great. And there's clearly, I like very much am into this. And so I was like, if it's just me and it's not him that's into this.

• 44:12Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  I want to make sure that I'm not then labeled the bimbo.

• 44:16Alex Cooper?

  Uh, that I get that. And that's fucking tough because you're, it, it, correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like when you're in that position, you can feel like because they are successful and you're someone in college, you're like, they do have the power almost.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:33Alex Cooper?

  And there is a power.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  The upper hand.

• 44:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. You're like, fuck, like I kind of don't want to get my heart broken here and I don't want to look like the idiot because people assume that women are flocking after these people and you just don't want to look dumb.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:44Alex Cooper?

  And I feel like that is a natural feeling that's like hard to admit, but it's like the reality of the situation.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I didn't want to, I didn't want to seem vulnerable in that situation.

• 44:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  To allow the space. Like I, I, like I said, not super sensitive. So I was like, kind of like a, like if this doesn't work out, it's okay. But then it got to like a few times of hanging out. And I'm like, well, I would actually be like disappointed. Like I'm, I'm really into him.

• 45:08Alex Cooper?

  When did you know you were like absolutely falling in love with him?

• 45:11Speaker 03

  I mean, probably like two months in.

• 45:15Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Because I was just like, we, at the very beginning, we would sit and talk for out, like, it was insane how long these conversations would go on.

• 45:26Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  And it was, I, we would leave and then it was one of those where, like, a day later, he would be like, well, what are you doing tomorrow? And it was, it, the hangouts got more and more frequent to the, where we were hanging out back to back days. And then you know, it's like, well, if we're hanging out back to back days, he has to like, feel something too, right?

• 45:47Alex Cooper?

  When did you guys like, tell each other you loved each other? Like, who said it first?

• 45:52Speaker 03

  I said it first.

• 45:53Alex Cooper?

  Were you nervous?

• 45:54Speaker 03

  No, it was one of those where like, you're sort of going back and forth and you're like, you're basically playing chicken.

• 46:00Alex Cooper?

  Yes. That's the, when you're like, I really like you. And then you're like, I can't keep saying, I really like you at this point.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  We're, we're too old for this.

• 46:08Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, yeah, he, I said it first. It was, I would say like, at, six months in, we were starting to have conversations of like, if he wasn't playing in Philadelphia, like, would we continue dating? Like, things like that, which are, is a very serious conversation to have. And we were having it just very casually.

• 46:29Alex Cooper?

  What would you have done if he got traded to the Cowboys?

• 46:34Speaker 03

  It was so nice knowing.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  I would never, I'm, I'm on record saying I would not wear, uh, other teams' stuff, but that I would wear things that had my husband's name on it.

• 46:46Alex Cooper?

  You are never not going to be an Eagles fan.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 46:49Alex Cooper?

  Okay. That's good to clarify. Um, once your friends found out you were dating him, like, I had, dated this professional athlete when I was in college. And I remember he slept in my dorm room and it made it on Twitter. And everyone was like, what the, actual fuck is that guy? He just won a World Series and he's leaving a sophomore's dorm room, which now is like controversial when I think about like the age gap. But that's another conversation for another time. But I remember people on campus being like, Cooper, what the fuck? Why is he in there? Like, did girls start to be like, Kylie? What is happening?

• 47:22Speaker 03

  I, when I, like, I kept it a secret a long time.

• 47:27Alex Cooper?

  How?

• 47:28Speaker 03

  I told no one.

• 47:30Alex Cooper?

  No, no, your one friend knew, right? Who brought you there that night?

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:35Alex Cooper?

  And then?

• 47:35Speaker 03

  So I had two, I had two friends on campus that knew.

• 47:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  My two closest friends.

• 47:39Alex Cooper?

  And they never told anyone?

• 47:40Speaker 03

  They didn't tell anyone. And they, my teammates knew at some point that I was seeing someone.

• 47:47Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my god.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  And, um, there was a, there was one time, which is funny, because Cabrini was such a small school, where I was talking to one of my teammates and she said, like, who is this guy you're seeing? I was like, ah, he just, he lives in the city. And they were like, why are you being so sketchy about it? And I was like, because he has a job that's kind of public. I'm not gonna get into it.

• 48:09Alex Cooper?

  When you say that, Kylie, I immediately like, so who is it?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Well, that's what happened. And so I was just like, oh, like, he plays for the Eagles. We got there eventually. Like, it was, I, it was a very roundabout way, but we got there.

• 48:21Alex Cooper?

  Pulling teeth.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  And one of my college teammates was like, oh, that's so funny. I know this girl from back home who met this Eagle on Tinder.

• 48:31Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  But it can't be the same guy, because this guy was hideous.

• 48:36Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  I was like, really? What does he look like? And she was like, I'm gonna text her right now and figure out what his name was. Five minutes later, his name was Jason.

• 48:47Alex Cooper?

  No, you're fucking lying.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  I was like...

• 48:49Alex Cooper?

  Kylie.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:51Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  It was one of those moments where you're just like, this is validation. This is why I'm not telling anyone.

• 48:57Alex Cooper?

  Fuck.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  And the best part is, is that, like, nothing ever came of, like, this girl meeting him on Tinder. And so, like, we got, like, I eventually got to the bottom of that, but I just thought it was so funny that in the one moment where I was like, okay, am I gonna let my guard down?

• 49:12Alex Cooper?

  And someone... Just comes for you.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  And she just was like, oh, like I know a girl from back home that met an eagle on Tinder. And I was just like, no way, who could it be?

• 49:22Alex Cooper?

  I'm going to die.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, um, okay.

• 49:27Alex Cooper?

  Your eyes twitching, you're like, pulling out your phone, you're like, what the fuck?

• 49:31Speaker 03

  And it was like mu- it was like months before we met, like, and

• 49:37Alex Cooper?

  But I get it in that moment, like, there is nothing worse than finally being open to your friends and honest. And then that moment, understandably, you're dating a public person. So anyone and everyone who has had any interaction or even seen him in a room before is gonna be like, I know him. And you're gonna be like, wait, what? And that must have been so jarring. Did you ever have any like, not trust issues with friends, but did you ever, once things got more serious, have people kind of you feeling like they were in it for the wrong intentions? Whether it was like asking you for tickets or just like stuff like that?

• 50:11Speaker 03

  I still have reservations about that. Like it, I still am in a situation where I always say my husband is super trusting. And it's one of the things I love about him. I'm the suspicious one. I'm the one who's like, mm, maybe not. And it's a weird place to be because like I am in, I have three young children, almost four. I am very much in the time of my life where I should be like making mom friends and and I just, I hesitate on branching out too much because I always think, like, are you just trying to double date? Cause it's my husband. Is your husband, does your husband have a hard on for my husband?

• 50:55Alex Cooper?

  Yes. No, that's, I could see that. And I feel like obviously now you guys are even more public with obviously Travis and Taylor. So you guys are like, everyone is just like, what are you guys doing? You're like, again, I'm coloring in my kitchen.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 51:09Alex Cooper?

  Um, how did your family react when they met Jason?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  They loved him. My dad, I, my dad was the last person I wanted to find out.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Because I knew he would be like, you're not a bimbo.

• 51:22Alex Cooper?

  But he's an Eagles fan, right?

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yes, but his dad very much overwhelmed the excitement of that he's an eagle.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  And he, my dad is very much girl dad, like protective, gonna make sure that you hold yourself the right way and that you present yourself well. And he also always told my sister and I, like, don't ever be dependent on

• 51:51Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  the person you're with. Don't ever, like, you always need to make sure that you have your own stuff going on, that you could always support yourself, that like, if anything were to ever happen, that you would not be completely

• 52:03Alex Cooper?

  It's great advice.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  I, it's the best.

• 52:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Um, but I, he was the one I was most concerned about. My sister just so happened to be downstairs talking to my dad, and I still remember being upstairs, listening to the conversation. They had been talking to the neighbor about how he was playing football, like, li- like tiny, like, little kid football. And that my dad was asking him who his favorite player was. So at that point, my sister knew. The neighbor's favorite player was Jason. And so I hear Jason's name come up, and I hear my sister start to sort of egg my dad on and be like, no way, that's crazy. And so I go

• 52:46Speaker 03

  down the steps and I was like, you're awful. And she was like, why?

• 52:54Speaker 03

  And tried, she tried to rescue me. She did. She, I give my sister credit in this moment. She tried to rescue me. She tried to be like, hey, uh-uh, I, this is not the direction that conversation was going. And my dad was like, why are you so bothered by that? And so then it, we had a coming to Jesus moment.

• 53:12Alex Cooper?

  Wait, stop. That's where you told him? You were like, well?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:15Alex Cooper?

  And what is?

• 53:16Speaker 03

  Because then my sister was like, she's, she's, she knows him.

• 53:21Alex Cooper?

  What did your dad say?

• 53:22Speaker 03

  My dad was appalled. My dad was, my dad was not happy. He was actually very disturbed. Very disturbed.

• 53:30Alex Cooper?

  He's like, you can't take Sunday night football from me.

• 53:33Speaker 03

  He was like, do not ruin this. Do not ruin this for me.

• 53:38Alex Cooper?

  I can't picture this.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  I cannot separate, that's it.

• 53:41Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so when did they meet for the first time?

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Um, at, at my aunt's house in northeast Philly. I jokingly was like, you can come if you want. Cause he was like, what are you doing tonight? And I was like, going to my aunt's house. We're gonna have burgers and hang out. And he was like, oh, I was like, do you wanna come? And he was like, yeah, okay. I was like, oh, oh, no, no.

• 54:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, no. Oh, no. So he met like a bunch of your family?

• 54:07Speaker 03

  He met the, the, the family that I'm closest with. Yeah.

• 54:11Alex Cooper?

  And what was your dad? Was your dad fangirling or was he like a hard ass?

• 54:15Speaker 03

  He did not fangirl.

• 54:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  And he wasn't a hard ass.

• 54:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  My dad is very warm and fuzzy.

• 54:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  He will not stop talking if you paid him.

• 54:22Alex Cooper?

  But internally, was he?

• 54:23Speaker 03

  He grew up with six sisters. Like he, he knows how to get a word in.

• 54:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  He talked to him and afterwards was like, he's actually nothing like I would have thought a professional athlete would have been.

• 54:36Alex Cooper?

  Fair. Love.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Cause he just came in, sat down. My aunt's like feeding him shrimp and burgers and he was just like, okay.

• 54:43Alex Cooper?

  Was your mom obsessed with him?

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Um, my mom, I think I get my skepticism from my mom because she was like, mm hmm. She loved him, but she was like, okay.

• 54:53Alex Cooper?

  So like, we'll see how this goes.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:55Alex Cooper?

  What was your first impression of the Kelsey family?

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Delightful.

• 54:59Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. They're all, they're all so sweet. And honestly, the first time that I met all of them.

• 55:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Well, the first time I met his dad was over the phone and it freaked me out because they sounded so much alike.

• 55:12Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's weird.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  It sounded like Jason in 50 years.

• 55:14Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  It was strange.

• 55:15Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  But his mom is so sweet and they're, they're so supportive of their sons.

• 55:21Alex Cooper?

  So sweet.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  That it was the easiest way to bond because when they were coming into town, we were going to football games together.

• 55:28Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  So it was, we were cheering together. It was like the best way to.

• 55:31Alex Cooper?

  Wait, do you remember the first time you met them?

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Um, I don't remember the first time that I met his mom or dad really like that moment.

• 55:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  I remember meeting Travis for the first time because it was like eight months into dating. Like it was a while into dating, maybe longer. It was a long time into dating. It was football season.

• 55:50Alex Cooper?

  Oh, right. Oh, right. He plays football too. All right.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  He was busy.

• 55:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, all right. He was just a little busy.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Super casual.

• 55:55Alex Cooper?

  And then when did you meet him for the first time?

• 55:57Speaker 03

  In Hawaii for Pro Bowl. So we like ran, we ended up meeting up in like the gift shop of the hotel. And it's the first time I met him. And it was just funny to me because he was like exactly on track with the rest of the family. Like warm and fuzzy, like just, I've heard so much about you. And it was just like this very silly like.

• 56:18Alex Cooper?

  Sweet.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 56:20Alex Cooper?

  Like they're all kind of the same vibe.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  You, you're all family.

• 56:23Alex Cooper?

  How is your family different from his?

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Oh, a lot of ways.

• 56:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Um, I tell everybody that.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Like when my friends got married, I was like, it's difficult because your in-laws are now your family, but they're not your family. So like if I wanted to, like if my dad was being ridiculous, I would call my dad and be like, you're being an asshole.

• 56:44Alex Cooper?

  So true.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  In a respectful way.

• 56:46Alex Cooper?

  Yes, of course.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  But I would never call my father-in-law and be like, what are you doing?

• 56:51Alex Cooper?

  So true.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  So, and they also, like, my family is very like, we talk about every, like, to a fault. Which is probably why I'm so like, I hate lying. Just say what you're gonna say.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  They will like, be very nice about, and I'm like, just say it. Are you, are you mad? Like, like, I just wanna get straight for it. And they are very nice. And like,

• 57:19Alex Cooper?

  You're like, guys.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  Not the same, but I'm like, is anyone gonna say, are we, is someone, like?

• 57:24Alex Cooper?

  That is so relatable, though. I feel like I have the same thing with my husband where his family, they just call each other and they're like, what are you doing?

• 57:33Speaker 03

  That's.

• 57:33Alex Cooper?

  And with my family, we all just like, lightly tiptoe, and we wanna like,

• 57:38Speaker 03

  We're not tiptoeers.

• 57:39Alex Cooper?

  No, you're like, bash the door open. Like, what the fuck are you doing? And you're like, I have a problem with you. But it's so funny, merging families, I agree, because I love my mother-in-law so much.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:50Alex Cooper?

  But if we're ever having, just like, oh, she's being annoying, I'm like, well, Matt, you tell her. Like, I'm not gonna call Lisa and be like, Lisa, you're annoying me.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:59Alex Cooper?

  But like, I agree with my mom, and like, you need to seriously back up. So it's like, you, yes, I agree. Family to a point. And then you're like, but I'm, there's boundaries still.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  A thousand percent.

• 58:08Alex Cooper?

  In a positive way.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  I, you're my family, but I wanna be like, aggressively respectful.

• 58:14Alex Cooper?

  Yes. What is Donna's best quality as a mother-in-law?

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• 59:57Alex Cooper?

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• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  My biggest thing that I appreciate about her is that she is an amazing example of an independent woman. She is an expert traveler. She, her and Ed are no longer together. They got divorced when the boys went to college. And she has not looked back. And I don't mean that in any way against Ed. I just mean it in like that she has been traveling, seeing the world. Like, she really is fulfilling, like, all of her travel dreams. And for me, I feel like that's such a cool example for our daughters, that that is something that excites her soul, so why wouldn't she do it?

• 1:01:55Alex Cooper?

  It's incredible.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, how would you describe your dynamic with Travis?

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  The sad thing is, we don't get to see each other very often.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  But whenever we're together, it's like, it really feels like it's just like the room of siblings. Like, it's, you just sort of like shoot the shit and have a good time, poke fun, and...

• 1:02:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Alex Cooper?

  Does he ever ask you for like sisterly advice? Like, what role do you play to him?

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  We've, we've had like those types of conversations before.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  It's, it's a lot of like, just like playful banter. Like, he, at some point, was explaining to Jason about a pair of shoes that he bought when he was like way earlier in the league.

• 1:02:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  And I think they were like Louis or something. And he was trying to explain to me, but like, there's, it's a red bottom. And I was like, but why do you need spikes on your shoe? And Jason was like, but how much did they cost? And like, it's almost like we like gang up on him a little bit.

• 1:02:55Alex Cooper?

  Keep him humble.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he's like, it's like the most fun dynamic. And watching the Jason and Travis together is...

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  It's so funny because it's almost like everyone else isn't in the room anymore. Like they'll get on a roll and it's like everyone else doesn't exist and it's just the two of them. And you can almost see them like playing mini hockey in their basement growing up.

• 1:03:14Alex Cooper?

  Adorable.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Just by the way they're bantering.

• 1:03:16Alex Cooper?

  How are they similar and how are they different? Cause I feel like they seem similar.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  They're very similar in their core values.

• 1:03:22Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  So they, they are kind, sweet, generous. They both have great senses of humor, although I do think their senses of humor vary a little bit.

• 1:03:32Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  And then there's just like, I mean, my husband, he wears what he wears. And Travis is out here like making statements with his outfit on a daily basis.

• 1:03:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, the fashion is.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:46Alex Cooper?

  There's a huge disparity here.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Very much so. But that's just it, like their core values are, you can tell they were raised in the same house by the same people.

• 1:03:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  And then you can tell they were into different activities.

• 1:03:57Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. Have you ever gone on a double date with Taylor and Travis?

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Technically, yes, I would say.

• 1:04:02Alex Cooper?

  Technic, what does that mean?

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  I mean, it wasn't out, uh, we, we, it was at home, but yes.

• 1:04:06Alex Cooper?

  Have you had one of her home cooked meals?

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  I don't know that I really ate the meat. This is gonna sound terrible. I didn't really eat the meal because I was, I was eight weeks pregnant.

• 1:04:15Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  And it was one of those where like nothing.

• 1:04:18Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah. But you were happy to be there.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. The world saw you and Taylor meet, obviously, for the first time at the Chiefs and Bills game.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:25Alex Cooper?

  Was that the first time you had guys met?

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:28Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Yes. People are deeply disturbed by this.

• 1:04:33Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  There was like all of this stuff leading up to it about, well, why haven't they met? They're avoiding each other. I'm not avoiding anyone. I am more than happy to meet someone, especially someone that Travis is dating.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  But it was funny to me because I kept saying to people, I didn't meet Travis for probably close to a year.

• 1:04:55Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  When Jason and I were dating, so it, and she's busy.

• 1:05:00Alex Cooper?

  Just a little.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  It's just so silly to me that that's like the storyline that's that's written.

• 1:05:06Alex Cooper?

  I can't imagine that's also annoying because you're like, it was also like probably like a lovely time to me at like a football game. It was like, how did Travis tell you guys that he was dating Taylor Swift? I'm assuming like your family was like getting told this in some capacity at some point, right?

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  We were not.

• 1:05:22Alex Cooper?

  You weren't?

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  No, we've, I will say, we knew before everyone else knew.

• 1:05:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  But we were, it was not like.

• 1:05:31Alex Cooper?

  It didn't hit the group chat?

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  No, it did not hit the group chat.

• 1:05:35Alex Cooper?

  Did Jason tell you?

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  Jason and I found out together. Jason and I found out together. Um, but we knew before, like they hard launched with her going to a game.

• 1:05:45Alex Cooper?

  I would assume.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. What is something surprising you guys have bonded over?

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  It's, we grew up going to the same shore points. So her family was like Sea Isle, Stone Harbor.

• 1:05:56Alex Cooper?

  Fun.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  And that's like the exact areas that that I grew up going to. Like I've.

• 1:06:00Alex Cooper?

  Well, you went to Sea Isle?

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  I've gone to Sea Isle City my whole life.

• 1:06:04Alex Cooper?

  Wait, New Jersey?

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:06:05Alex Cooper?

  I went to Avalon.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Did you?

• 1:06:07Alex Cooper?

  And my best friend had a house in Sea Isle.

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  Good vibes.

• 1:06:09Alex Cooper?

  And I would go to the boardwalk and I would put on my little jean miniskirt. I was like.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  And you were doing something.

• 1:06:15Alex Cooper?

  I was looking for something.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Yes, you were. Yep.

• 1:06:18Alex Cooper?

  I would go there looking for like.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  My nieces, that's what they do now.

• 1:06:22Alex Cooper?

  Do you still ever go?

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  We have a house in Sea Isle.

• 1:06:24Alex Cooper?

  What, you do?

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. We still go to Sea Isle. Yeah. I will never not go to Sea Isle. People are like, oh, you're gonna graduate. You're gonna go to Avalon or Stone Harbor. And I'm like, oh, no. The one time we were on the beach in Avalon and someone came up to us and they were talking to Jason and they were like, ah, isn't Avalon great? And Jason's like, well, we usually stay in Sea Isle. This is such a niche conversation for people who don't.

• 1:06:44Alex Cooper?

  It's like the Jersey Shore. Let's, it's preface the Jersey Shore, but it's not the Jersey Shore.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  It's not the Jersey Shore that is the Jersey Shore that you've seen because South Jersey Shore is very different from Seaside Heights. The man on the beach in Avalon said to Jason, well, good thing you're in Avalon. We don't really have the riffraff that Sea Isle has. And as soon as he walked away, I said to Jason. He doesn't realize he was speaking to the riffraff. That's us.

• 1:07:08Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I love C aisle.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 1:07:10Alex Cooper?

  I'm happy that you guys still have a house there.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:12Alex Cooper?

  Never leave. Um, okay, you have three kids, you're pregnant, obviously with your fourth.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:17Alex Cooper?

  How have you been feeling overall in this pregnancy?

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Pregnant?

• 1:07:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  It ju- I get nauseous all the way through. It's been every single one.

• 1:07:24Alex Cooper?

  For all the men listening, this is very important.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:26Alex Cooper?

  What are three things that a husband should absolutely do when his wife is pregnant? Just like give the men some tips. Like, what do we need?

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Um, remember that your wife is growing a human.

• 1:07:39Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  It's good. Like, it, I mean, it, sometimes I think guys are like, oh, she's fine. And I'm like, no, I'm, like, you're actively building a human being. Um, so like, just some, give her some grace.

• 1:07:55Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Um, no, remember that it's not infinite, that it, this too shall pass. And so for the women who are like, extreme, like, I've had pregnancies where I've been really, really emotional. And I'm, after the pregnancy, I'm like, Jase, I don't know how you did that. Jesus. Thank you for sticking with me.

• 1:08:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Um, so this too shall pass. Um, and then mostly, I think it's important to remember that she needs your support in postpartum more than she did during pregnancy. Postpartum is one of the hardest things I've ever done in my whole life.

• 1:08:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  Um, labor is like a drop in the bucket compared to postpartum.

• 1:08:36Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  So I think that, like, giving your significant other grace.

• 1:08:41Alex Cooper?

  I feel like for so long, like, I don't have kids yet.

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:08:44Alex Cooper?

  And I want kids. And as a woman, I feel like for so many years, probably, like decades, like, there was this one just misconception about, like, pregnancy for women is just like, oh, my God, it's amazing. And you see these ads, and it's smiles, and it's rainbows, and no one was really talking about, like, how fucking hard it is.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:04Alex Cooper?

  And I think that, and it's not meant to make people feel scared, but it's the The reality.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:09:08Alex Cooper?

  And I appreciate you bringing up postpartum because I think that was something that no one really talked about because there was this shame where women felt like, oh my God, is there something wrong with me that I'm not feeling great? I just gave birth like, and I think your podcast and women talking about it like, those are the conversations that are going to actually allow women to feel genuinely better about themselves because they know other women are going through it. And we're not all like siloed in different sectors being like, what's your experience like? And you're like whispering about it.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  I just can't imagine feeling the feelings that I felt and not having women around me to be like, that's not, that's not abnormal. Like you are having the same, because when I brought home our first, you like give birth, my husband leaves the hospital the next morning to go to work. My dad had to pick Wyatt and I up from the hospital as a newborn. I get home and I look at this baby for the next however many weeks. They don't smile at you for like six to eight weeks on purpose. So like, you're like grasping at straws here of like, are we cool? Like what's, are we good? But I had this, I very much had this moment looking at Wyatt of like,

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  but you're, you're mine.

• 1:10:22Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  And I made you and like, I did not feel that immediate, like this is my baby and I will like, I didn't have that. I didn't have that sensationalized like, I'm a mother now. It was like a slow ease in when she, I always tell moms, especially first time moms, that six to eight weeks when they start to smile at you on purpose, you're like, oh, we're cool. Like we're, you're, there is a connection here because before that they are a blob. They cry, they poop, they eat, they sleep. That's it.

• 1:10:59Alex Cooper?

  But even when you just said that Kylie, don't you feel like? There is like a level of anxiety, I'm sure for some women, I don't know if you had it, in like even admitting that, even though it's probably the more common experience.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Think of how horrible that sounds.

• 1:11:13Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  Think of how horrible that sounds. You just built a human being, you give birth.

• 1:11:17Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  And you're holding like this tiny little being that is completely dependent on you. And you're like, how, it is so difficult to admit.

• 1:11:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  That you were not just like, this is the moment, right?

• 1:11:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  But to be able to say that out loud and to have other women hear it so that you're not racked with guilt when you take your first baby home and like realize that you're not having that moment of like, this is the most beautiful thing ever. Like, we're both in diapers. I have a cooling pad on my lady bits. I am like afraid to sit down at any given point because it hurts so bad. And at the same time, every two hours, I'm supposed to connect you to my boob and something's gonna happen. It is like, but, but it's beautiful.

• 1:12:07Alex Cooper?

  It's beautiful. No, and that is why I think people are loving you being so just honest about your experiences. And again, like, I commend every woman out there that has had the best experience where they're like, my baby came out, it flew onto my chest and we've been happy ever since. Amazing.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:12:27Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you.

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  I hope that that's most people's experience.

• 1:12:30Alex Cooper?

  I agree, but I appreciate you being honest about it because it's like.

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 1:12:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I think it's a lot more times your experience is more common.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:39Alex Cooper?

  And no one was talking about it. So when the first few women started admitting it, you, I know, I've seen things online of people like back in the day being like, what is wrong with her? Like, is she depressed? Is she like, maybe, but I don't know, let's figure it out.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Because that also happens.

• 1:12:53Alex Cooper?

  Yes. Um, what is Jason's best quality as a father?

• 1:12:56Speaker 03

  Oh, his patience.

• 1:12:58Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  He has so, like, when, I do think that we have a very complimentary dynamic, that he can tell when I've like reached my breaking point. And he will tag in, in the most like calm, come on Ellie, like, we'll go try this, or. He gets them to eat more food than I could ever even imagine because he'll just sit at the table and be like, well, that looks good to try. Or it's just this, he's firm when he needs to be, but he has this degree of patience where I'm just like, this is great.

• 1:13:32Alex Cooper?

  Is he excited for four? Or is he like, okay, we need to like bunker down and figure out how we're gonna manage for?

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  No, I think he's, he's ready for it. We just live in like a state of chaos. Like, we're just like, this is fun. We're having fun.

• 1:13:43Alex Cooper?

  Love. Um, okay. Last two questions. What do you think is the biggest misconception about your family?

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  That we're more interesting than we are.

• 1:13:51Alex Cooper?

  That's the biggest takeaway.

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  That's the biggest misconception, um, that we are more interesting than we are. I think that people don't realize, similar to what we were saying earlier about like, you meet people in the public eye and you're just like, oh, they're a person.

• 1:14:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  Um, we very much want our girls to live like a very normal life. Um, and in an attempt to do that, we very much conduct ourselves in a very normal way at home where I think people would be extremely underwhelmed with what goes on.

• 1:14:23Alex Cooper?

  It's not so Hollywood.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  And not even a little bit.

• 1:14:25Alex Cooper?

  Are you guys gonna always, you think, stay in Philly area?

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:29Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Alex Cooper?

  I love that. Um, okay. Jason, obviously retired, but I feel like he's working more than ever. And you just launched your podcast. What do you think this next chapter of your lives is gonna be? Because obviously, I feel like when he was playing, you guys had probably this routine. And now you've kind of like launched into this new era, I guess, of your life. Like, what can we expect? And what are you expecting?

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  That's a good question. I have no idea. Okay. I am not much of a planner.

• 1:15:00Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  It's okay. Um, I am really enjoying what we currently have going on. I love that I'm getting to talk to incredible women. I love that we're having conversations that I think people want to hear, or like, people are getting to learn with me. Um, I like we'll, we'll see where that goes, but ultimately like we have three little ladies, one on the way. I'm excited to see like what the next one's personality is like. I am excited to see like what our girls look like when they're starting kindergarten and all that kind of stuff. So, um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, we are super busy.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  We're just, I'm gonna keep dating my husband and taking care of my kids and yeah, love and see where, where the wind takes us, I guess.

• 1:15:56Alex Cooper?

  Well, I am so happy. We finally got to sit down. It was like, you are such a pleasure. Like you're so fucking normal and lovely to talk to. I literally feel like I'm like back in Philly in my basement talking to you and we're hanging out. We're about to like turn on the Eagles game and be like, woo, go Eagles. Um, but thank you so much for taking the time because I know you're so busy.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  No, thank you. And thank you. I always like to give flowers where they're needed. So I do just want to say like, and it usually stems from the idea of like, that you are an example of a woman who is doing her thing and leading the way. And like even back to when you were having conversations that were like, oh my God, women are talking about that stuff. And like you were openly talking about it. You are like removing stigmas or like making it appropriate for women to speak the way we should get to fucking speak. So thank you for doing that. And thank you for being an example that, I mean, my girls get to live in a, a better world because you've broken through barriers. So, thank you.

• 1:16:54Alex Cooper?

  Thank you so much. This was an honor.

• 1:17:11Alex Cooper?

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