Sanctuary

A deadly desert crossing leaves survivors seeking refuge—and sparks a movement that defied the law and redefined the idea of sanctuary in America. This is the story of how faith, courage, and resistance collided with one of the biggest immigration battles in modern history.

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• 1:17Roman Mars?

  carrying out the largest domestic deportation operation in American history. Trump plans to mobilize federal and local law enforcement to remove millions of undocumented immigrants from the country. But already, he's facing pushback from cities and states across the country that have declared themselves sanctuaries and say they won't cooperate. This is a fight we've had many times before. And back in 2017, during Trump's first term, we aired a two-part series exploring the origins of the sanctuary movement. We thought this would be a good week to revisit that story. Here it is.

• 1:57Roman Mars?

  In July 1980, a group of Salvadoran migrants crossed the border from Mexico into Arizona. They walked over an isolated mountain range and halfway across a wide desert valley. There were more than two dozen of them, people who'd left behind lives and jobs to come to the United States.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  They'd hired some guides to lead them on the journey.

• 2:17Roman Mars?

  Reporting our story this week is Delaney Hall.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  And those guides had brought them to a largely uninhabited part of the border. It was a vast, empty, and fatally hot stretch of the Sonoran Desert.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  The temperature the next day got up to around 112, 115 degrees out there. It was deadly.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  This is John Fife. He's a Presbyterian minister from Tucson, which is a couple of hours from where the migrants crossed.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  They were in the middle of the most desolate and deadly area of the desert. And I think out of the group of 26, 12 of them died the first day out.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  The survivors were eventually found, delirious and suffering from intense dehydration and heat stroke. Some of them had stripped off their clothes. Border Patrol agents brought them to a hospital in Tucson, which is where Reverend John Fife met them.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  And they asked some of us, who were pastors, to provide some pastoral care for the survivors who were traumatized beyond understanding. And they began to tell me why they'd fled El Salvador.

• 3:27Roman Mars?

  At that point, Reverend Fife had lived in Tucson for more than 10 years, leading a small congregation at a church called South Side Presbyterian.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  He didn't know much about Central America, or what was going on in countries like Nicaragua, Guatemala, and El Salvador around this time.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, not only ignorant, but I couldn't have put El Salvador on a map. I knew it was somewhere between Mexico and Panama, but that was the extent of my knowledge. So I had a lot to learn and a lot of catching up to do.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  The people of El Salvador are caught in a web of terror, trapped between the military forces of the Arellana government and the guerrilla forces of the FMLN. No one is safe in this civil war.

• 4:10Roman Mars?

  El Salvador's civil war had been decades in the making. Since the early 1900s, the country had been ruled by a series of oligarchs and corrupt military leaders. They maintained control by repressing large segments of the rural population.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  In the late 1970s and early 1980s, a number of left-wing guerrilla groups began to grow in power and influence. The military responded by trying to crush this resistance. Death squads targeted union leaders, community organizers, and other people they suspected of sympathizing with the guerrillas. That included priests and nuns. Lots of civilians were caught in the middle of this violence. Thousands of people were disappeared, murdered, or displaced.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Today, the Salvadoran people continue to suffer as a persistent pattern of brutal human rights violations grips the nation.

• 5:02Roman Mars?

  And El Salvador wasn't the only country where this was happening. Similar conflicts were unfolding in Nicaragua and Guatemala, where authoritarian governments were facing pressure from left-wing rebels.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  This is the history Reverend John Fife started to learn about when he met the Salvadoran migrants who'd nearly died in the desert near Tucson.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Well, basically, they were telling me why they'd fled El Salvador. About threats from death squads, killings of members of their family or close friends, that sort of thing, and the reason why they'd had to flee.

• 5:37Roman Mars?

  He didn't know it then, but Reverend Fife was witnessing the beginning of something big. Hundreds of thousands of Central Americans were trying to get away from these dangerous and bloody civil wars. They were fleeing their countries, making their way through Mexico, and crossing into the United States.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  So a major migration of refugees occurred along this border during that 10-year period, beginning in 1980.

• 6:04Roman Mars?

  Reverend Fife's church sat less than 100 miles from the border, and it would be completely swept up in this crisis. Eventually, Fife and his congregants would give shelter to hundreds of Central Americans. They'd be joined by a network of churches across the country, all opening their doors and giving migrants a safe place to stay.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  This would mark the beginning of a new and controversial social movement, based on the old religious concept of sanctuary, the idea that churches have a duty to shelter people fleeing persecution.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  More than 6,000 people have signed up to provide sanctuary around the country.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  ...cracks down on so-called sanctuary cities.

• 6:45Roman Mars?

  The modern sanctuary movement in the US can trace its roots back to Reverend Fife. Today, we're going to look at how it began and why it caused one of the biggest showdowns between church and state in recent memory.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  After that first encounter with the Salvadorans at the hospital, Reverend Fife began to see more and more Central Americans arriving in Tucson. Some of them would come to his church and ask for help. And at first, his inclination was to work within the rules of the immigration system.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  I was pretty naive at that point. And I went to the immigration office here in Tucson, met with the director, and said, "We're seeing refugees who are fleeing for their lives. What do we need to do to protect them?" And he said, "Well, we have good political asylum law in the books. And if they're deserving of political asylum, if they're refugees, they'll get political asylum."

• 7:42Speaker 06

  Asylum you apply for if you are within the United States and have a well-founded fear of persecution. I'm talking law here.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  This is Ruth Ann Myers.

• 7:55Speaker 06

  I was district director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service for Arizona in 1984, and a couple of years later, they added Nevada.

• 8:04Roman Mars?

  Since 1980, when When Congress passed the Refugee Act, the US has asked people to meet a number of requirements in order to be granted political asylum. They have to establish that they fear persecution in their home country, based on their race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or social group.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  They also have to convince immigration that their government is actually involved in their persecution, or that it can't control the groups that are. If someone shows up in the US and they can meet those requirements, they're supposed to be able to stay. But it's not always that simple.

• 8:38Roman Mars?

  Myers used to interview people seeking asylum, and she says it could be tough to establish a person's status. It relied heavily on a single individual's testimony about what they'd been through.

• 8:48Speaker 06

  It depends on the individual. It depends on what they say and how they say it, and if they have any backing. So basically, it was my decision, based on my experience and what the person said. Because, as you can understand, there was very little physical evidence of this.

• 9:07Roman Mars?

  Despite the challenges of qualifying for asylum, Reverend Fife and his church raised some money and organized legal assistance for the migrants. They started visiting detention centers and helping people fill out asylum applications. They arranged for lawyers to represent them in court.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  But it began to seem like even the people who met the requirements for asylum were not getting it, like even in cases where there was physical evidence.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  I can remember taking in a guy who had been tortured in El Salvador. And we flew in an Amnesty International doctor who testified that, yeah, this guy's been tortured. I'm an expert on the physical effects of torture. And the immigration judge would order him deported the next day.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Reverend Fife began to wonder what was behind these decisions to deport.

• 9:56Roman Mars?

  Central Americans hoping for asylum faced some significant hurdles. For one thing, just as they began turning up along the US-Mexico border in 1980, tens of thousands of refugees from other places, like Cuba and Iran, were also seeking refuge in the United States. The government was overwhelmed with applications.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Most Central Americans had also, historically, come to the US for jobs, not because of political persecution. The government was more inclined to see them as economic migrants.

• 10:26Roman Mars?

  And on top of that, there was the Cold War.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Mr. Speaker, distinguished members of the Congress, honored guests, and my fellow Americans.

• 10:45Roman Mars?

  In 1983, President Ronald Reagan delivered a special televised speech before Congress. In it, he outlined his concerns about the civil wars flaring up in Central America.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  Too many have thought of Central America as just that place way down below Mexico that can't possibly constitute a threat to our well-being. And that's why I've asked for this session. Central America's problems do directly affect the security and the well-being of our own people.

• 11:13Roman Mars?

  Reagan saw Central America as an important front in the Cold War, a region so close to the US that our national security required us to stop communist movements from flourishing there.

• 11:23Speaker 05

  Nicaragua is just as close to Miami, San Antonio, San Diego, and Tucson as those cities are to Washington, where we're gathered tonight.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Just a few years earlier, in 1979, a socialist revolution actually did happen in Nicaragua. The Sandinista National Liberation Front had ousted a US-backed dictatorship, which had ruled the country for decades.

• 11:49Roman Mars?

  At the time of this speech, the Reagan administration was sending aid to Contras fighting the new socialist Sandinista government. And the US was also doing its best to suppress similar left-wing movements in El Salvador and Guatemala, which meant backing the authoritarian governments that still had a grip on power in those countries.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  In summation, I say to you that tonight, there can be no question the national security of all the Americas is at stake in Central America. Thank you. God bless you.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  So here's how this all connects back to Tucson and the deportations that Reverend Fife was seeing. Because the US government considered the governments of El Salvador and Guatemala to be political allies in the fight against communism, it denied these governments were persecuting their own people.

• 12:38Roman Mars?

  Under Reagan, almost all Salvadoran and Guatemalan border crossers were classified not as political refugees, but as economic migrants. That meant they didn't qualify for asylum. They got sent back.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Ruth Ann Myers, the former INS director in Arizona, says immigration officers followed policies set by the government, which has broad discretion when it comes to asylum decisions.

• 13:01Speaker 06

  The immigration officers... Whether it be enforcement or the asylum officers or whatever, we're not making up their criteria or the law. This all came from Congress.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  The result of this policy was stark when it came to Salvadorans and Guatemalans. Between 1983 and 1986, fewer than 3% of Salvadorans and Guatemalans who applied for asylum were approved. In that same period, the approval rate for Iranians was 60%. For Afghans fleeing the Soviet invasion, it was close to 40%.

• 13:38Roman Mars?

  Back in Tucson, that put Reverend Fife and his congregants in a tough position. They didn't want to encourage migrants to report to immigration when they knew it was almost certain they'd be deported.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  So they held a series of meetings to figure out what to do. And that's when Jim Corbett started showing up.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  It's hard to describe Jim because he was a unique figure.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Jim Corbett died in 2001, but back in the 80s, he lived on the edge of Tucson. He raised goats and he knew a lot about philosophy. He was also a Quaker. And as the refugee crisis in Tucson continued to grow, Jim's religious faith compelled him to take action. He'd started letting refugees stay at his house and in some of the ramshackle trailers scattered around his property.

• 14:26Roman Mars?

  So Jim starts coming to meetings at South Side Presbyterian Church where they're discussing the deportations. And after one of those meetings, Jim comes up to Reverend Fife.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  And his contention at that point to me was, "John, I don't think we have any choice under the circumstances, except to begin to smuggle people safely across the border so that they're not captured and detained and deported." My response was, "How the hell do you figure that, Jim?" And he explained.

• 14:58Roman Mars?

  Jim explained that they needed to consider two moments in history. The first was back in the 1800s, when church people, a lot of them Quakers, helped move runaway slaves across state lines and through the Underground Railroad to safety.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  And he basically said, "We have to conclude from history that they got it right. Those were the folks who understood and got it right."

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Then Jim pointed to the church and its failure to protect Jewish people fleeing the Holocaust in the 1930s and 40s. Many Jews were detained and deported back to Germany, where they were killed. Jim argued that Christians should have done more to protect them.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  And he said, "They failed. They failed completely, as people of faith, as the church." And I said, "Yeah, you're right." And his punchline was, "John, I don't think we can allow that to happen on our border in our time." And after a couple of sleepless nights, I went back to him and said, "Yeah, you're right. I cannot be a pastor of a church here on the border and not do what you're asking. So, sign me up."

• 16:16Roman Mars?

  At this point, Jim Corbett had already done some border runs on his own, picking up migrants in Mexico and helping them cross the border into the United States. But now Reverend Fife and a handful of others started helping him. At first, they'd bring people across and put them up at Jim's house, but it quickly became clear they needed more space. So, once again, Jim came to talk with Reverend Fife. He wanted the church to start hosting people.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  That was a question that the whole congregation had to deal with. And that's not an easy choice for people to make.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  They talked and prayed and then voted to let Central American refugees stay at the church. Soon, on any given night, the church would have dozens of people sleeping in the main gathering space. Church members would provide food, clothes, English lessons, medical care, and access to legal advice. They'd help the refugees strategize about what to do next. It wasn't as if the migrants were entirely safe. They were still undocumented and faced possible deportation, but they had access to resources, guidance, and a place to stay.

• 17:20Roman Mars?

  The congregation at South Side was drawing on a long religious tradition when they decided to take the refugees into their church.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  It's actually an ancient tradition of temples and churches and synagogues and sacred sites of indigenous peoples that goes back as far as any history we know about.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  In Greek and Roman history, people who were threatened with persecution could find protection in temples. When the Roman Empire became Christian, churches took on the same function. The concept of sanctuary can also be found in medieval canon law and British common law. And as nation-states evolved in Europe, some of those nations legally recognized the right of churches to shelter people. More recently, churches sheltered conscientious objectors during the Vietnam War.

• 18:15Roman Mars?

  But even though Reverend Fife was drawing on a long religious tradition, he and his congregants were still harboring undocumented immigrants who crossed into the country illegally. And as it turns out, the government was keeping an eye on their growing operation.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Well, what do we do under those circumstances? And the only conclusion we came to was, well, the only choice we have is to go public with what we're doing.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  They thought maybe by going public, the church could generate attention and public support. They invited a couple of other churches to join them in a public announcement. And in March of 1982, they hung two huge banners on the front of the church. They said in Spanish, "This is a sanctuary of God for the oppressed of Central America." And immigration, do not profane sanctuary of God.

• 19:06Roman Mars?

  They held a service and publicly welcomed a new family from El Salvador to join the other refugees who were staying at the church. And they staged a press conference to explain exactly what the sanctuary movement was and what their goals were.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  So, yeah, we made some national news. In the American Southwest, the sanctuary movement has become a highly emotional issue. Supporters of that movement, mainly church people, helped refugees from Central All members of the so-called sanctuary movement.

• 19:34Speaker 05

  That offers aid, comfort, and shelter to illegal aliens. About 200 churches across the United States have joined the sanctuary movement, vowing to violate the laws if necessary.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  As the movement gained visibility, it became more controversial.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  But the federal government contends conscience is not a good excuse for violating the law.

• 19:53Roman Mars?

  Our objection to any such movement is that it takes law into its own hands.

• 20:03Roman Mars?

  Despite these government objections, the movement continued to grow. More and more churches and synagogues started to get in touch with Reverend Fife.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  They'd call us and say, "Can you send us a family? We're gonna declare sanctuary."

• 20:16Roman Mars?

  A network started to develop, which meant Reverend Fife and Jim Corbett had to figure out how to safely transport refugees across the country to the churches that could support them.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  And so Jim and I basically sat down here with a map of the United States and said, "Okay, who do you know in Albuquerque? And who do you know in Denver? And who do you know across the United States?" So we could move people. And we literally, in one afternoon, figured out an Underground Railroad, and we modeled it on the old Underground Railroad.

• 20:53Roman Mars?

  By the mid-1980s, hundreds of churches and synagogues across the country had joined the sanctuary movement. Almost every mainstream church denomination had gotten involved, including Lutherans, Methodists, and Baptists. Sanctuary volunteers came from a wide variety of political viewpoints, including conservative. But everyone shared a belief that churches needed to respond to the Central American crisis.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  These American churches were connected to a network of churches that extended down into Mexico and Central America. So migrants could plug into this network and make their way north. Some would find shelter in Mexico, others would continue into the US.

• 21:31Roman Mars?

  That's exactly what Patricia Barcelot did. My name is Patricia Barcelot. I am a refugee from Guatemala, and I have lived in the United States since 1985. Patricia grew up in Guatemala City, and her parents were union organizers during the Civil War, which made them a target of the government. They labeled my dad and my mom as being involved in subversive acts and wanting to overthrow the government.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  That was enough for them to kill you, disappear you, or, you know, do whatever they wanted to do to you.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  At one point, Patricia's dad disappeared for many weeks. He'd been kidnapped by the military or the police. Patricia's family never learned exactly who.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  He came home being the shadow of a man that he was because he was so skinny and, I mean, bony. He had a beard so long. He didn't look anything like my dad.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  But he'd made it back. And with him, he read a horrible story of torture and things that had been done to him that were just inhumane.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  At that point, Patricia's parents fled to Mexico City, leaving Patricia and her sister with their grandmother. Her parents said they'd be in touch when they had a plan. For two years, nothing. And then a letter from her mother.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  And the letter said, you know, "Bring the girls to the border. Bring them to this park in Chiapas, and I will be there waiting."

• 23:02Roman Mars?

  Patricia and her sister crossed the border from Guatemala into Mexico and met their mom at a designated park. They learned that she'd met some Quakers involved in the sanctuary movement. The Quakers told the family to head to northern Mexico, where they were met by a Catholic priest named Father Ricardo Elford. He worked closely with Reverend Five.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  He wanted to know what had happened in Guatemala. He wanted to know why we were wanting to come to the US. He said, you know, "Just tell me, you know, what went on? Because we want to bring you. We just want to know what we can do for you." And my mom told him everything that had happened, that the two... And then he said, "Everything is going to be OK."

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Father Elford was vetting the family. He was making sure they qualified as refugees. As the sanctuary network had grown, they'd had to develop a more formalized process. This was partly to ensure their limited resources went towards helping people who were most in need. It was also to try and ensure they weren't putting volunteers at risk or bringing someone dangerous into the US.

• 24:08Roman Mars?

  One of the government's criticisms of the sanctuary movement was that they lacked the expertise and resources to evaluate potential refugees. The government worried they might be helping criminals enter the country, or communists who wanted to undermine the US government. Here's Reverend Fife again.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  I would just kind of smile and say, "You don't understand the church. We have the best intelligence system in the world. As I understand it, what you say is you have five CIA agents in El Salvador right now. I have thousands. They're called priests and pastors. And all I have to do is pick up the phone and call them, and they'll give me the whole family history."

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Once Father Alfred was satisfied that Patricia and her family actually met the requirements for refugee status, he arranged for them to be brought across the border into the US.

• 25:00Speaker 04

  We got picked up very early in the morning in this yellow truck. And we were thrown in the back, right under lots of sleeping bags. And they told us that no matter what, we couldn't pop our heads up. We just had to stay underneath.

• 25:16Roman Mars?

  The family crossed into Douglas, Arizona, and then headed to Tucson, where they stayed at St. Michael's Episcopal, another church in town that had declared sanctuary. After living there for six months, they moved into a house and started the long process of applying to stay in the US. It took them more than six years of legal wrangling to receive asylum. Patricia still gets emotional, thinking about what the sanctuary movement did for her and her family.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  I remember my parents talking about this and saying, "You know, who would do this? Who would risk their lives, you know, their good lives here in the US for people like us?"

• 25:57Speaker 01

  But as the movement grew bigger and more visible, the whole endeavor became riskier.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Well, quite frankly, I never thought we were going to get away with this. Right? I mean, the first time I went to the border to do a crossing, 1981 sometime, I had to get comfortable with the fact that we weren't going to get away with this, that the government was going to come after us. And it was only a matter of time.

• 26:28Roman Mars?

  John was right. It was only a matter of time. And the religious motivations of the sanctuary movement didn't get much sympathy from the government. That's after the break.

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• 30:22Speaker 01

  By the mid-1980s, the sanctuary movement had become very visible and also very controversial. Here's a report that aired on NBC around that time. In the eyes of the congregation at St. Mary's Church, they are heroes. In the eyes...

• 30:38Speaker 06

  of the federal government, they are criminals who smuggle aliens into this country illegally.

• 30:43Roman Mars?

  The government didn't like that churches were openly defying immigration law and harboring undocumented immigrants. The Immigration and Naturalization Service, now known as Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, contended that many of these people didn't have legitimate asylum claims. The agency's stance was that many of these migrants had come to the US to find jobs, not because they feared political persecution.

• 31:08Speaker 06

  A refugee from El Salvador, the administration contends he and others like him have come here for economic reasons. But the young man listed other reasons for fleeing his homeland.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Matanzas. Killings. Represión. Repressions. Miseria. Misery. And hunger.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  The US government found itself in a tough situation. They could allow the churches to continue openly disregarding the law, or they could launch an investigation into the movement and risk public disapproval by targeting sympathetic church workers.

• 31:42Roman Mars?

  In 1984, the government launched an investigation into the Sanctuary Movement. They called it "Operation Sojourner," a biblical term for traveler or wanderer. The goal was to collect enough evidence to indict the leaders of the movement and to stop churches from sheltering migrants. Shortly after the government launched its investigation, a couple of new volunteers approached members of the Sanctuary Movement, asking if they could get involved. Their names were Jesus Cruz and Solomon Graham.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  I thought they don't fit the usual Sanctuary volunteer profile, right? They look a little tough and a little too experienced on the border for the average volunteer we're getting.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  This is Reverend John Fife. And Fife said that even though Cruz and Graham seemed a little different somehow, it was his policy to welcome all who said they wanted to help.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  They had crucifixes around their necks, and they presented themselves as folks who'd heard about the Sanctuary Movement and wanted to be a part of it. So we welcomed them and included them in.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Cruz and Graham began attending meetings and helping transport Central American migrants through the Sanctuary Network.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  They would drive folks from Tucson to Phoenix. Or from Phoenix to Albuquerque, or from Phoenix to LA. So they would drive legs on the Underground Railroad.

• 33:13Roman Mars?

  But as it would turn out, Cruz and Graham were not ordinary volunteers. They were undercover informants. The government had hired them to infiltrate the movement and gather evidence.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Cruz and Graham were both former smugglers. They'd worked on the border as guides, bringing people into the country illegally. Then they'd been caught by immigration.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  And they'd reached an agreement that if they would infiltrate us and inform the government about what we were doing, that they would not only pay them, but but drop the charges against them.

• 33:48Roman Mars?

  The INS had decided to investigate the Sanctuary Movement using the same tactics they might use against any criminal smuggling enterprise. The agency wasn't swayed by the religious motivations of people like Reverend Five. Here's Alan Nelson, the then Commissioner of INS, speaking with ABC in 1985.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  If you and I are meeting in a church building to plan to rob a bank and open with a prayer and close with a prayer, I don't think many people would say this is a church service that should be protected.

• 34:17Speaker 06

  They have the right to think what they want. Anybody does. That doesn't exclude them from obeying the laws of the United States.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  This is Ruth Ann Myers. She became the INS District Director for Arizona in 1984. She didn't oversee the investigation into the Sanctuary Movement, but she was briefed on it when she arrived at the Phoenix office.

• 34:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was totally surprised. In my experience, I had no knowledge before of a church breaking the law and harboring illegal aliens, smuggling and harboring.

• 34:50Roman Mars?

  Myers says the case was pretty straightforward.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  These people were breaking the law, the law of the United States. I'm in favor of, excuse me, legal immigration, but not illegal immigration. I think we have the right

• 35:08Speaker 06

  to have our laws and to enforce them and decide who comes into this country and who doesn't.

• 35:16Roman Mars?

  Cruz and Graham, along with a couple of other government agents, spent 10 months undercover gathering evidence against the sanctuary workers.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Their methods would eventually come under public scrutiny because they hadn't just infiltrated the sanctuary movement. They were also secretly recording meetings, conversations, and in some cases, church services. Today's date is October 1st, 1984.

• 35:44Roman Mars?

  Time is about 8 p.m. Where God will deliver the needy when they cry for help. These undercover methods struck some people as offensive and overreaching. Here's Anthony Lewis, then a professor at Harvard Law School, speaking to ABC News in 1985.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Oh, it's the methods that bother me. I think most of us Americans would believe that in America you are entitled to a sense of privacy when you go into a church, maybe privacy of a particular kind, you and your God. A stranger who soldier is with you shall be to you as for me.

• 36:24Roman Mars?

  The state was infiltrating and secretly surveilling churches in a country where the separation of church and state is a deeply held ideal. We reached out to two agents who were involved with the case, and both declined to speak to us.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  The people overseeing the investigation at INS thought these methods were justified. They saw the movement as more political than religious.

• 36:45Speaker 06

  Yes, there were many that thought it was under the guise of the church.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Meaning, the sanctuary workers were using religion as a cover to push a political agenda and undermine immigration laws.

• 36:58Roman Mars?

  And it's true that some sanctuary volunteers were vocally critical of the American policy in Central America. Some expressed support for the left-wing movements developing there. In fact, there was a divide within the movement itself about whether their work should be motivated primarily by humanitarian concerns or political ones.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  They got to the point where we decided to have a gathering and try to resolve it.

• 37:22Roman Mars?

  But two weeks before that meeting was supposed to happen, the government indicted 16 of the sanctuary workers in Tucson, including Reverend Fife.

• 37:30Speaker 06

  On January 14, 1985, federal agents swept down, arresting 63 Guatemalan and Salvadoran refugees across the United States and handing out indictments to 16 leaders of the sanctuary movement.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  That morning Reverend Fife was sleeping when he heard someone banging on his front door.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  And so I got up and I went to the door and there were two border patrol agents there.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  His immediate concern was for the refugees that were staying at South Side Presbyterian Church, right across the street from his house.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  The only thought that occurred to me was, I got all these vulnerable people over in the church. I need to keep these guys occupied. So I invited them in, made coffee, stalled every way I could.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  He read through the entire indictment the officers had handed him, trying to buy some time.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  My charges were pretty clear and they were pretty typical of everyone. They were a number of counts of conspiracy to violate federal law, harboring illegal aliens, transporting illegal aliens and aiding and abetting illegal aliens. And everyone had different counts under each of those categories.

• 38:49Roman Mars?

  Eventually, the border patrol agents went on their way and Reverend Fife and the other leaders of the sanctuary movement were left with a daunting situation. They faced an impending, high-profile trial in which they'd be facing off with the federal government. And the charges against them were serious. If convicted, they could spend years in prison.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  They got to work assembling a team of lawyers to defend them.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  So there's two bases, as I see it, for sanctuary. It's very simple, really.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  This is James Brosnahan, one of the defense lawyers.

• 39:20Speaker 06

  The first is religion. And many churches, many religions...

• 39:27Speaker 06

  Have as a distinct imperative that you are to assist people who are on the road and who are fleeing some form of violence oppression. It's the teaching of Jesus.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  The defense thought there was an argument to be made that the sanctuary workers were just acting in accordance with their faith. Not only that, the lawyers believed the religious rights of the sanctuary workers had been violated by the government agents who'd infiltrated their churches and made secret recordings.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  And that's intimidation of people who are pursuing their Bible studies in a church.

• 40:04Roman Mars?

  The second part of the defense's argument had to do with asylum law.

• 40:09Speaker 06

  The law provides that when a person shows up at the border and they are fleeing certain, specific kinds of oppression or violence, they have a right to come in. And when that is true, and that can be established in an immigration court, that person is entitled to stay in the United States. That's asylum.

• 40:33Roman Mars?

  As the defense team researched the laws, they started to believe that their clients hadn't really violated the law at all. They thought the US government had. I did research both how the United States government was handling asylum applications from people from Central America, and I also researched international law.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  This is A. Bates Butler III, another lawyer for the sanctuary volunteers.

• 40:58Roman Mars?

  And I was appalled by what I discovered about how the United States government was systematically, it seemed, denying asylum applications from Central America. This was all happening in the context of a major shift in US refugee policy. Before 1980, the US approach to taking in refugees had been expressly political. It gave preference to refugees fleeing communist countries and countries in the Middle East.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  In 1980, President Carter signed the Refugee Act into law. The law was supposed to create a fairer system by adopting a more humanitarian, non-ideological definition of a refugee. It used the criteria developed by the United Nations, which identified a refugee as anyone with a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, social group, or political opinion.

• 41:51Roman Mars?

  Even though these new criteria were in place when Reagan came into office, the lawyers for the sanctuary workers believed the government was not following its own law. They thought INS was turning away large numbers of El Salvadorans and Guatemalans who should have qualified as political refugees.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Butler had been skeptical of the sanctuary movement when he first learned about it, but his research had changed his mind.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  And so I moved from a position of, well, this is all fine and dandy and this is a religious thing to do, but it's illegal. I moved from that position to it's lawful to help these people and it's the United States government that is violating the law.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  The defendants and their supporters marched to the federal building in Phoenix for the first round of arraignments this morning. The charges: transporting aliens illegally, harboring them, and conspiracy. Inside the courtroom, the defendants pleaded not guilty. They were released without bail. Their trials were set for April 2nd. The sanctuary people say those trials will be a major test of religious freedoms in this country. This afternoon in Tucson, more arraignments.

• 43:02Roman Mars?

  After months of preparation, the defense team was feeling confident. They thought they had sympathetic clients, a good amount of public support, and compelling legal arguments. Here's Reverend Fife again.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Our position was, oh, we welcome the opportunity to make that case in court. And we think we're gonna win in a slam dunk.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  But then, very early on, the defense team faced a major setback. The lead prosecutor for the government was a lawyer named Donald Reno Jr. and one of his first moves was to file a series of motions, asking the federal judge who was hearing the case to limit the arguments the defense could make.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And then the federal judge who was hearing our case ruled that we couldn't say anything in our defense during our trial about five subjects: United States refugee law. International refugee law, conditions in El Salvador, conditions in Guatemala, or our religious faith. So that wiped out our entire legal position.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  I mean, what was left?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Nothing was left. And the way my attorney explained it was, well, federal judges in criminal prosecutions have enormous power to exclude evidence that they believe is not relevant to the charges that are being filed against the defendant.

• 44:37Roman Mars?

  The judge had effectively reduced the case to its most basic level. Had the sanctuary workers engaged in a conspiracy to smuggle and harbor undocumented people? Yes or no? There was to be no discussion about context, history, or motivations.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  One of the defendants was a man named Jim Corbett. Along with Reverend Fife, he'd helped to found the sanctuary movement. Corbett died in 2001, but in an archival interview, he described the situation that the defense team found itself in. He said it was as if a man was driving late at night in freezing weather. His car breaks down, so he goes to a nearby house.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  And breaks in and then is discovered and brought to trial. And the judge rules out any evidence that would indicate that it was 40 below, his car had gone bad. He had stopped, went to the only house in the area, and entered it.

• 45:38Roman Mars?

  Without understanding the context, Jim thought there was no way the jury could understand why the sanctuary workers had decided to shelter Central Americans.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  In terms of the necessity defense, we're talking about something very similar with people fleeing torture and murder in a very different context. But to rule out the ability to refer to that necessity simply makes a mockery of the law.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  The judge named Earl Carroll died in early February of 2017. We requested an interview with prosecutor Donald Reno Jr., but he's still an active litigator for what's now known as Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The agency declined our request to speak with him. But he was featured in a news report from 1985, and he described the sanctuary movement as, quote, "an alien smuggling conspiracy."

• 46:35Speaker 06

  The defendants induced, encouraged, smuggled, transported, and harbored illegal aliens.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  The government says that's not much different from drug smuggling.

• 46:47Roman Mars?

  Over the next several months, the prosecution laid out its case against the sanctuary workers, relying heavily on testimony from their undercover informants. Reno characterized the sanctuary movement as a smuggling operation, pure and simple.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  The defense team tried to undermine those accounts in cross-examination and to sneak in details about context and motivation when they could. But in most ways, their hands were tied. And when it came time for the defense to present their case, they declined to put anyone on the stand.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  ... connected sanctuary movement. Today, the defense rested without questioning a single witness. Jury deliberations could begin next week. It is alleged that the sanctuary--

• 47:26Roman Mars?

  The jury deliberated for more than 48 hours, spread over nine days. On May 1, 1986, 16 months after the indictments and more than six months since the start of the trial, the jury filed into the courtroom to read the verdict. Of the 11 sanctuary workers who went to trial, three were acquitted of all charges. Eight were found guilty, including Reverend Fife, which hit Bates Butler, the lawyer, really hard.

• 47:52Speaker 06

  After the jury came in, I was so disgusted with the system that I had worked in for so long, I didn't want to be a part of it. And we were so upset that our government and our court system had cast aside our clients.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  With their moral positions and that we felt like the government and the courts were bankrupt. The system was bankrupt. But the other defense lawyer, James Brosnahan, had known there were significant hurdles they needed to overcome.

• 48:36Roman Mars?

  You know, juries are very good, but they come into the box with their own attitude. And the attitude is, people just can't come over the border. If you're going to do that, you got to pay the price.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Ruth Ann Myers of the INS thought the verdict was fair.

• 48:50Speaker 06

  The people that worked in the sanctuary movement did not present those people to immigration offices. They smuggled them into the US. They gave them, quote, "sanctuary" in their churches. They did not follow the law.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Next came the sentencing by the judge.

• 49:08Roman Mars?

  We really were worried that the judge was going to put him in prison.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  My attorney told me, "Take a toothbrush in your hip pocket when you go to sentencing because they want you bad." So I had made arrangements with the congregation and with my family and everything, expecting to go to prison. And much to our astonishment, he sentenced all of us who were convicted to five years probation.

• 49:37Roman Mars?

  The judge gave them relatively lenient sentences, considering they'd been convicted of, in some cases, felonies. We were relieved at that point. I think, I don't know what he thought, but I thought that if he gave these nice people a jail term, it would be awful.

• 49:57Roman Mars?

  Public opinion on that. And I think he had some sense that that might be true.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Many of the sanctuary workers, including Reverend Fife, went back to their communities and continued their work in the sanctuary movement. Churches continued sheltering people. Volunteers continued helping people across the border. Many of the sanctuary volunteers had made clear in their closing arguments in the trial that they wouldn't stop doing the work.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  sanctuary activists, but it has hardly silenced them nor stopped them from a cross-country crusade.

• 50:36Roman Mars?

  And at that point, did the government just back off? I mean, they must have known that you were continuing to do exactly what they'd just tried you for.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Right. They backed off us here in Tucson, but they tried one more trial.

• 50:50Roman Mars?

  In New Mexico, the government charged a man and a woman who were part of the sanctuary movement for transporting undocumented immigrants.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  And the jury in that case found them not guilty. And at that point, we knew that the movement had grown to the point where juries would no longer convict sanctuary workers.

• 51:15Roman Mars?

  Not long after the criminal trial had ended, a group of churches and refugee rights organizations filed a class-action lawsuit against the government. They alleged, among other things, that the government had engaged in discriminatory treatment of asylum claims made by Guatemalans and Salvadorans. In 1990, the government settled the lawsuit.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  They agreed to give everyone who was here without documents from those countries temporary protected status, work permits. And they agreed to a whole series of reforms of the political asylum process. So we essentially began to wind down the sanctuary movement.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  But even though the churches were slowing their work, the whole idea of sanctuary was spreading. College campuses, cities, counties, even whole states began to declare themselves sanctuaries. And not just for refugees fleeing persecution, but for undocumented people more broadly. This accelerated through the 1980s and has continued up to today.

• 52:17Roman Mars?

  But what exactly sanctuary means varies from place to place. Anything you want.

• 52:23Speaker 06

  That's part of the problem. And each city is probably a little bit different.

• 52:29Roman Mars?

  Once again, lawyer James Brosnahan.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  Usually, the local authorities, police, sheriffs, will not assist in the deportation of undocumented people.

• 52:42Roman Mars?

  In some places, police aren't allowed to inquire about a person's immigration status, or to give that information to the federal government. In other places, all residents are promised access to city services, regardless of their immigration status. These policies can be set in law, or they can just happen in practice.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  President Donald Trump talked a lot about sanctuary cities during his campaign. And he's pointed to murders committed by undocumented immigrants as evidence that sanctuary cities should not exist. He's threatened to pull federal funding from cities that identify as sanctuaries. And he's also promised to accelerate deportations. In response, churches are once again sheltering people.

• 53:24Speaker 06

  I think a lot of congregations across the nation are struggling with what will it mean to be faithful to the mandates of our faith underneath this administration?

• 53:32Roman Mars?

  This is Allison Harrington. She's the current pastor of Southside Presbyterian in Tucson, the church where the sanctuary movement began in the 1980s. She and her congregation provided sanctuary to a couple of people who were threatened with deportation during the Obama administration. They're now having conversations about whether that work will expand in the next few years.

• 53:51Speaker 06

  I mean, I can't ignore the fact that my predecessor, John Fife, was indicted for doing the work that I'm doing right now, and that he was looking at 10 years in prison. I try not to think about that. But you can't ignore that.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Since 2011, churches have had some protected status as sanctuaries. In that year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, under President Obama, issued a memo. It said that some sensitive locations require special consideration by immigration officers. The government has said, "We won't enter into those sensitive locations unless it's an extreme situation."

• 54:31Roman Mars?

  Or we have higher levels of approval. And those sensitive locations are houses of worship, hospitals and schools. But that practice isn't codified into law and could easily change. Recently, there have been reports of immigration agents targeting undocumented people in hospitals and schools. Churches might also be vulnerable.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  That's going to have to be worked out through a number of institutional decisions as well as court decisions well into the future. What's going to be the result? We'll see. No one knows.

• 55:19Roman Mars?

  This two-part story was produced by Delaney Hall in 2017. The rerun was produced and mixed by Martine Gonzalez. Original tech production by Shreeh Youssef. Music by Swan Real and George Langford. Thank you to Miriam Davidson, author of Convictions of the Heart, for letting us use tape of her interview with Jim Corbett. An additional thanks to Trent Purdy at the University of Arizona Special Collections and Jude Pardee. Kathy Tu is our executive producer. Kurt Kohlstedt is the digital director. The rest of the team includes Chris Berube, Jason DeLeon, Emmett Fitzgerald, Christopher Johnson, Vivian Le, LaSham Adon, Joe Rosenberg, Gabriela Gladney, Kelly Prime, Jacob Medina Gleason, and me, Roman Mars. The 99% of this logo was created by Stefan Lawrence.

• 56:02Roman Mars?

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