The Ultimate Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition & Tools to Unlock Your Best Self

Back by popular demand! Julie Piatt returns to the podcast to share about our recent trip to New York, our new online course “The Ultimate Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition” that we created in partnership with MindBodyGreen.com and our panel presentation at the Apple Store SoHo — Meet the Innovators: Revolutionizing Health — moderated byJason Wachob, CEO of MindBodyGreen, with yoga impressario Tara Stiles and her husband Michael Taylor of Strala Yoga, and meditation guru Charlie Knoles of the Veda Center. As always, Julie drops pearls of wisdom when it comes to taming the ego; how to remain neutral in moments of tension & anxiety; and how to best tap into your higher self and unlock the best, most authentic YOU – a consistent theme of the show. We cap it off with a free amazing plantpowered dessert recipe (instructions below) and take it out with Inside City, a track on her album Mother of Mine, by SriMati. Hope you enjoy the program! Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 0:44Rich Roll?

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• 1:22Rich Roll?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. I'm Rich Roll. This is the Rich Roll Podcast. What are we doing here? Well, what we do here is we bring on guests and we go deep. We go long form. We delve the depths. I've had all kinds of people on the show. This is a health and wellness and fitness-oriented program, but I try not to be too strict or too regimented. My only kind of criteria for the guests that I have on the show is do they have something compelling and interesting to share? Something you might not have heard of before or might not be that familiar with that you

• 2:01Rich Roll?

  can have takeaways from and incorporate into your life to improve your life experience in your short time. On this planet. So I've had world-class athletes on, I've had entrepreneurs on, I've had nutritionists, doctors, plant-based nutrition advocates, paleo people, low-carb people, all different kinds of athletes. I've had spiritualists, yogis, meditation experts, and of course, my wife, who's here today, back on the show.

• 2:35Julie Piatt?

  Hi, Rich World.

• 2:36Rich Roll?

  Hello.

• 2:36Julie Piatt?

  Thanks for having me on the podcast.

• 2:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So all of these people together, what are we doing? Well, we're creating a library of content, of great content, all focused on one thing, which is to provide you with tools and resources to take your health and wellness to the next level, so that you can unlock and unleash the best, most authentic version of yourself on the world, because that's what we need more of, right?

• 3:05Julie Piatt?

  Yes, we do.

• 3:06Rich Roll?

  We don't need more people pushing paper around, lost and discontent and feeling aimless, right? We want everybody directed, grounded, feeling like they're tapped into their best, most authentic self, don't you think?

• 3:23Julie Piatt?

  Connected.

• 3:24Rich Roll?

  That would be a good, that would be a better world, would it not?

• 3:27Julie Piatt?

  It'd be a much better world, and it's happening now. So thanks for tuning in.

• 3:31Rich Roll?

  Yeah, thank you. Thank you to everybody. This show has really taken off and, you know, at the sake of repeating myself, I'll say it again. I started it back in December, really just looking for a creative outlet. I had no expectations of where it would go or what would happen, other than that I felt compelled to kind of share, to share some of the people and personalities that I've had the good fortune of meeting as I kind of trudge this path of wellness. I've had, I've had, since my book came out, Finding Ultra, which you've all read, of course.

• 4:08Julie Piatt?

  And if you haven't, check it out.

• 4:09Rich Roll?

  Check it out. Use the Amazon banner ad at richworld.com to check it out on Amazon. No, I've just, I've been able to meet like so many incredible, amazing people. And I thought it would be great to be able to share their wisdom and insight with the world and it's been remarkable. The response that the podcast has gotten, it's really grown, gangbusters, and I couldn't be more pumped. It's very gratifying. So we appreciate all the support. Everybody who's tuned in, sent emails, left comments on the iTunes page, left comments at richroll.com, Facebook messages, tweets, it just comes at us all day long and it's, it's super cool.

• 4:51Julie Piatt?

  It's really, really, really rewarding and really beautiful. So.

• 4:55Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So thanks. I mean, I, you know, it's gotten to the point where I, there's just no way I can respond to all the emails. But as I've said before, please know that I read them all. I do get them and I see them and it means the world to me and to us and really kind of affirms our mission and makes us feel even better about the direction that we're heading and kind of trying to spread this message and trying to get people to be healthier, be more fit, be more actualized, right?

• 5:24Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. And you are a, a big lover of the podcast. So, you know.

• 5:29Rich Roll?

  Of my own podcast.

• 5:30Julie Piatt?

  No, of podcasts in general.

• 5:32Rich Roll?

  Of podcasts in general. Yeah, of course. I love podcasts and it was my love of podcasts that made me, you know, that gave me the desire to, to want to, to do this. You know, I felt like there was, there's lots of, there's lots of, I mean, I think there's like 250,000 podcasts out there and there's certainly a lot of health and wellness and fitness oriented podcasts out there, but they seem to be, on the whole, I mean, there's exceptions of course, but a lot of them are very instructional, like they're short and like here are your tips to do this or that. And that's great and it has its place, but I felt like it was lacking kind of that. That that program where you can get somebody on the show and just talk to them at length

• 6:15Rich Roll?

  and really explore who they are instead of like the soundbite versions of most interviews that you hear.

• 6:20Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, and I think your show is more about exploring the different colors that exist and different people and different approaches and ideologies and just ways of being. And by, you know, sharing and exploring those together, we all can expand in different ways.

• 6:36Rich Roll?

  Well, I think you have to be that way. You know, if all you're gonna do is have guests on that share your point of view and you kind of build a team around that, I mean, I guess there's, there's, you know, a lot of people do that, there's value in that. But for me, I mean, certainly I have my perspective, my point of view and strong opinions about lots of different things, but I didn't want to limit the show to just having people on that share that. I think it's more dynamic and compelling to have somebody on who maybe has a different point of view and to be able to have an adult, mature conversation with them, with that person, whether you agree, see eye to eye or not.

• 7:11Julie Piatt?

  That's right, and it allows you to then invite your wife on from time to time.

• 7:15Rich Roll?

  That's right, yes. Do we, we always see eye to eye, come on.

• 7:19Julie Piatt?

  So we can share a different perspective.

• 7:21Rich Roll?

  That's right. Well, there's been a lot of, a lot of demand to have you back. It's been a while. I think this is the longest you've gone without being on the show.

• 7:28Julie Piatt?

  That's amazing. And you know, it's interesting because I, you know, I was not really a big podcast fan. I really haven't been.

• 7:35Rich Roll?

  Have you ever listened to any podcasts?

• 7:37Julie Piatt?

  Maybe a couple, more in the spiritual realm, things that I can't mention on this podcast.

• 7:42Rich Roll?

  It's just too, why? Because NSA is gonna come down on you.

• 7:45Julie Piatt?

  It's too unfair. It's way too unfair.

• 7:47Rich Roll?

  You don't want to get on a watch, a no-fly list?

• 7:50Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to, you know, stay safe. But, no, no, but I have to say that, you know, once again, as you turned me on to Twitter in much the same, in the same way. You know, I really, really love this format. This format is fantastic because it allows you to share a certain authenticity that you really can't express in any other medium. You can't do it in a blog post, you can't do it in a, you know, in an email, a video message, but I really love these long format podcasts because we never really know where they're going. And that's where sometimes amazing stuff shows up.

• 8:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 8:32Julie Piatt?

  Entertaining, informative.

• 8:34Rich Roll?

  Or, or it just gets really boring.

• 8:36Julie Piatt?

  Shocking.

• 8:37Rich Roll?

  Really boring.

• 8:37Julie Piatt?

  Boring and long. No, I don't think so.

• 8:40Rich Roll?

  Well, we'll see.

• 8:41Julie Piatt?

  We'll see. Some people seem to.

• 8:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, speaking of that, the, uh, the John Joseph episode could end up being what our most downloaded podcast ever.

• 8:53Julie Piatt?

  And that was not boring.

• 8:54Rich Roll?

  And that was definitely not boring. I think, and it went like two and a half hours or two hours and 40 minutes or something like that, all told. And, uh, you know, I love Johnny Bloodclot. He's, he's an amazing, powerful human being. And I was super excited that he wanted to do the show. Um, but, but, you know, we've kept the show pretty family friendly. Like there's not a lot of swearing and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And it's sort of conscious on my part. I just wanted to appeal to the most number of people so they could listen to it at work or whatever. But when you have Johnny Bloodclot on, you can't, there's no editing of that guy. And you don't want to edit him. You want him to just go. So, you know, he just unleashed an onslaught of F bombs. And I think he dropped

• 9:37Rich Roll?

  like a thousand F bombs in the course of the episode. But, and so I, I had some trepidation. I'm like, I don't know, how's this going to go over with the audience? I don't know. We've never presented a guy like this. So we'll see how it goes. You know, hopefully, you know, people that are a little.

• 9:52Julie Piatt?

  Not going to get offended.

• 9:54Rich Roll?

  More thin-skinned are gonna, yeah, are not gonna freak out or, or whatever. But it ended up being an overwhelmingly massively positive response to that guy, which I'm so pleased because his message is so.

• 10:07Rich Roll?

  You know, incredible. I mean, not only is his life story, the arc of his life story so profound and incredible, but his convictions are so deep, they run so deep. And, and especially when it comes to kind of his spiritual education, like you don't meet, I mean, you'll meet people in the yoga community that can, you know, that will try to talk that talk, but there are very few people who've kind of walked a mile in the shoes like he has. Like, how many people do you know have actually gone and lived in a monastery and can quote the Bhagavad Gita and do it in a way that a truck driver is going to be able to like, you're the guy and go, hey, that makes sense. Like, maybe I can incorporate some of that knowledge into my life.

• 10:52Julie Piatt?

  Well, and also just his incredible background of, you know, the struggles and how he was conceived and born and where he lived and just where he came from. I mean, he's really had an extreme of experience. And, you know, then to come from the inner, you know, inner cities and the, you know, really from streets and then to become a famous lead singer of a famous punk rock band.

• 11:15Rich Roll?

  Yeah, iconic, you know, an important band that had its place in a, in a very specific moment of time where, you know, music meant something, you know?

• 11:24Julie Piatt?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:25Rich Roll?

  And for, for him to find his salvation in music that way and in his spiritual spirituality, it's amazing.

• 11:32Julie Piatt?

  It's amazing. And, and you know, it really, you know, he really commands great respect for the choices that he's made, the life that he had and what he's made out of that. And his really, you know, it's not really what you experience, it's what you do with what experience, you know, with what happens to you. But, um, he's just, he's incredible. I mean, incredible that he's had that extreme of experience and where he's come with it. And now he's helping people and. Really of service and yet very authentic. Like, he hasn't changed, you know, in his personality. You know, he's very much, you know, who he always has been.

• 12:11Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 12:12Julie Piatt?

  So, anyway, it was, it was a lovely experience, a very transformative experience. And I really, really enjoyed the time that we spent.

• 12:22Rich Roll?

  Well, it was funny because you had never met him before. You know, I'd spent a little bit of time with him previously, but we met up for dinner and that was the first time you'd ever met him. And he just, he just came at you like a Mack truck and you're just laughing. You're going, who is this guy?

• 12:36Julie Piatt?

  He's a big personality. And I mean, just from the moment he walked in the restaurant, you know, he was already, you know, rushing towards us with this amazing energy. And, you know, he really is, you know, he is somebody who lives his authentic self. And whether that's, you know, comfortable to you or familiar to you, you know, he really is true to himself. And just in, and just that in and of itself is a, is a wonderful example and a level, you know, wonderful way to be.

• 13:07Rich Roll?

  And I want to thank everyone who's been using the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com. That has actually been a huge boon to the show. It's been paying the bills for the show.

• 13:18Julie Piatt?

  Thank you so much.

• 13:18Rich Roll?

  It's been incredible and it's a great way to support the show. Actually, you know, a lot of people have an Amazon, like, little icon in their web browser. If you want to support the show, just get rid of that and throw up, you know, richroll.com up into your little menu item on your browser. And that will remind you that when you want to go to Amazon, you just click the banner ad on our site. Buy whatever you're going to buy. And it won't cost you a cent extra, but Amazon will pay us a little affiliate commission. And that all goes towards paying the bills at the podcast. And a lot of people have been using it, tweeting about it. And that's been awesome.

• 13:59Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it makes a huge difference. Thank you.

• 14:01Rich Roll?

  Thank you.

• 14:08Rich Roll?

  New York, we just got back from New York.

• 14:10Julie Piatt?

  We went on a trip together without any children.

• 14:12Rich Roll?

  You have to talk. I have to catch my breath for a second.

• 14:16Julie Piatt?

  So going to New York was amazing. It was such an extraordinary experience to go there with Rich and to be able to be a part of launching our plant-powered program in partnership with Mind Body Green.

• 14:28Rich Roll?

  So Julie and I had, I've been going to New York on and off over the last year, but we had never gone together. And I don't think you had gone to New York.

• 14:39Julie Piatt?

  I used to go there a lot when I was in the garment business and I used to go for, you know, sale shows. And when I had, I had a clothing collection called Julie Piatt Collection. Isn't that an innovative name?

• 14:51Rich Roll?

  This is called the Rich Roll Podcast.

• 14:53Julie Piatt?

  I guess so. But anyway, so I used to go there for fabric shows and then of course, you know, the sale shows, trade shows. And I loved it and I had a great team in New Jersey as well. And it was a great, you know, vibrant time. And then when I closed my company, I just never went there for quite a long time.

• 15:15Rich Roll?

  Right. I think you were under the impression that you had been there more recently.

• 15:18Julie Piatt?

  I didn't even realize it. No, I didn't even realize.

• 15:21Rich Roll?

  But anyway, we'd never gone there together and you had never gone there since I met you, I don't think. And this was our first trip, just Julie and I together without the kids in like 10 years. I mean, I can't even remember the last time.

• 15:36Julie Piatt?

  I mean, it's kind of, you know, we've gone away for like a night or something like to.

• 15:40Rich Roll?

  But like away away.

• 15:41Julie Piatt?

  Right, exactly. And usually, I mean, I've gone away and you've gone away, but usually one of us is always with the children. So it was different.

• 15:50Rich Roll?

  And it was great. We had a great place to stay. Thank you, Peter Slutsky, for introducing us to our new friend, Ben Fenton, who opened up his apartment in the West Village to us, for us to stay there.

• 16:02Julie Piatt?

  This guy is an amazing superfood aficionado.

• 16:07Rich Roll?

  Right. So we had never met Ben before and he was getting ready to do Ironman Lake Placid. So he was going to be at the apartment for half the time and then he was taking off to go to the race. And we were going to stay there for a couple of days without him. And he is a. He's a plant-fueled maniac, this guy. We go into his apartment and he's, you know, living by him. He's a bachelor of 31. I think he's about 31, 32, something like that.

• 16:32Julie Piatt?

  Very cute, very smart, very attractive.

• 16:34Rich Roll?

  And he has his kitchen completely dialed in.

• 16:38Julie Piatt?

  More dialed in than maybe anybody I've ever met, besides me.

• 16:41Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 16:42Julie Piatt?

  I mean, he had all the mason jars.

• 16:44Rich Roll?

  All the mason jars, each one filled with a different superfood or nuts and hemp seeds.

• 16:48Julie Piatt?

  He was hitting me up with spirulina and chlorella.

• 16:52Rich Roll?

  And he's got, you know, the MCT oil and the Vitamix and the greens and the fresh vegetables. And it was impressive.

• 16:59Julie Piatt?

  He's definitely pleasant.

• 17:01Rich Roll?

  All very organized.

• 17:01Julie Piatt?

  Very organized and very together.

• 17:03Rich Roll?

  So it was a good, it was a-

• 17:05Julie Piatt?

  It was a good match.

• 17:05Rich Roll?

  Good match.

• 17:06Julie Piatt?

  A great location.

• 17:06Rich Roll?

  To stay there, yeah.

• 17:07Julie Piatt?

  It was a great, great place, Ben. Thank you.

• 17:09Rich Roll?

  And his apartment is where we recorded the John Joseph episode.

• 17:13Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, which was fantastic.

• 17:14Rich Roll?

  Which was awesome, so. And a great part of town, too. So we go to New York and the reason that we went to New York was to go there for the launch of our new program, The Ultimate Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition.

• 17:31Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 17:32Rich Roll?

  So why don't you tell a little bit of the backstory about this?

• 17:36Julie Piatt?

  Well, you know, we had been kind of exploring for quite some time, you know, an online offering that we could do together that would be, you know, really powerful and really empower people to become more healthy and get more connected to their authentic hearts. And we had thought about doing a few different things. I mean, we've gotten a lot of requests to do a cleansing program.

• 18:00Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and I think part of that is in Finding Ultra, I thought, when I wrote Finding Ultra and I turned it in, my intention was that I would have a cleansing program available to the consumer that would be out on the market by the time the book came out. That it would be a series of products and, you know, I wasn't sure exactly what it was going to be, but that's what I was planning on doing. And then- I embarked upon, or we embarked upon trying to make that happen and it ended up being a little more complicated than we wanted it to be. And there's a lot of issues around cleansing and there's a lot of risk about what you can say and shouldn't say and all this sort of stuff. And we just figured it wasn't the right time to move forward with that then.

• 18:42Julie Piatt?

  Well, and really just in a responsible manner, you know, and what's in the highest interest for, you know, a mass group of people that you don't have necessarily individual interaction with, you know, everybody's bodies are very different and so cleansing can bring up different issues and just, it felt like, like not really the thing to do without.

• 19:03Rich Roll?

  For the first thing.

• 19:04Julie Piatt?

  No, and without really having researched it, you know, a lot more extensively and also being able to offer support to people while they're going through it. So I'm actually been in deep exploration of all of that. I've been doing some pretty intense liver and gallbladder cleanses and different kinds of cleanses. So we'll get there, but that wasn't the place to start, so.

• 19:27Rich Roll?

  Right, so for anybody who's listening who has emailed me or was thinking about emailing me saying, "What's the cleanse you did? What's the cleansing program? I looked for it on the website, I didn't see it." Well, that's because we didn't move forward with it, but we may do so in the future. We're looking at it, but that's why it's not up there right now.

• 19:45Julie Piatt?

  And in the interim, the thing that you can do right away is, you know, just do like a one, you know, or two or three day juice cleanse and just start there and really shift your diet into getting more plants into your, you know, system and then, you know, getting off the processed foods. And it's really much better to do it more of a slow approach. Rich did it more extreme, but he's the ultra man, so.

• 20:13Rich Roll?

  Well, I mean, yeah, it gets dicey to even start to get into this because unless we're going to go all the way into this and provide exactly what to do and not to do, like, we're just kind of touching on it now. But I think that... You know, without getting into, maybe we'll do a whole podcast episode on this, which could be cool.

• 20:31Julie Piatt?

  That'd be great, actually.

• 20:32Rich Roll?

  But I think that, you know, for me, doing a fruit and vegetable cleanse, you know, whether you do it for three days or seven days or whatever, is a great way to kind of wipe the slate clean and start fresh where you're like, okay, I've kind of like, you know, cleansed my palate and now I can do something new, you know? For me, I found that to be very powerful. But there's a lot of, you know, hackneyed, you know, snake oil out there too, when it comes to cleanses and what to do and what not to do. I mean, the one that I did, you know, wasn't devoid of nutrients. You know, I was getting fresh vegetable and fruit juice every day and herbs and teas and all sorts of different things. So it was hardly like lemon juice and cayenne pepper.

• 21:16Julie Piatt?

  No, no, and that's not one that we really advocate anyway. I mean, not that I have anything against it, I just haven't done it. It's not, not come up for us.

• 21:24Rich Roll?

  Right, so anyway, yeah, well, let's do a future podcast on that.

• 21:28Julie Piatt?

  Okay, cool.

• 21:29Rich Roll?

  So how do we get into even talking about that?

• 21:31Julie Piatt?

  We were talking about what we were, what we were gonna start with.

• 21:33Rich Roll?

  Oh, right, so yeah, so kind of like in the wake of Finding Ultra, thinking about, well, how can we, you know, how can we pick up where Finding Ultra left off? Or how can we continue to carry the message? And how can we kind of step into this and provide more things to people that would be of service to them? I mean, the podcast is one of those things, right? And then it was like, like Julie said, it was about finding, you know, it would be great to do some videos or do something online where we could create a product online that could really take somebody through a process from beginning to end, soup to nuts. And we played around with a lot of ideas and, you know, it's a big project. We spent a lot of time thinking about what we would or wouldn't want to do.

• 22:16Rich Roll?

  And, but we hadn't really embarked, we hadn't made a decision or embarked on moving forward on anything, really, until.

• 22:24Julie Piatt?

  We met Jason. Well, and I mean, this program is sort of an extension of what we've done on a one-on-one basis with certain people. You know, we've gone into their homes and sort of re-outfitted their kitchen and gotten them, you know, thrown out all the, all the processed stuff and all the Twinkies that they're hiding and sort of, you know, re, you know, do a Ben Fenton, like get it all stacked, you know, all stocked with all the superfoods. And, and then I, you know, teach cooking and kind of stay with them and, you know, sort of give them a reset. So, but the, you know, you can only do that one-on-one and it's only reaching so many people. So what we really wanted to do was design this program, something that we would give to anybody. And it was, it's not geared towards,

• 23:06Julie Piatt?

  you know, the strict vegans or, you know, any certain population. It's something that works for everybody, you know? And so we wanted to make it accessible, make it open and embracing and non-judgmental and just give people sort of the basics and, and really all the tools that they would need to shift into a more plant-based lifestyle than what they're leading now.

• 23:32Rich Roll?

  Right. But just to back up, I mean, that you're getting into kind of what we, what we have now, but like, I want to talk about like how we got there.

• 23:40Julie Piatt?

  Okay, then talk about that.

• 23:42Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So we had been thinking about doing something and we weren't sure what that was. But then I was in New York several months ago and went over to see Jason Wachup, who's CEO of Mind Body Green, who's a friend. Him and his wife, Colleen, are friends. And we're big fans of Mind Body Green and we've both written blog posts for that site. And I always said, you know, if I'm, if I'm going to write a blog post for, that's going to go up anywhere other than my website, I'm only going to write it for Mind Body Green because they get crazy traffic, you know, like they always get tons of eyeballs and it's kind of become the primary one-stop destination on the web for all things wellness.

• 24:26Rich Roll?

  And they're growing by leaps and bounds and what, you know, what Jason's been able to build over there is really cool. So anyway, I went over there just to say hi and have a little, you know, grab a juice with him or something. And he's like, hey, we're, you know, we're going to put together these, we're thinking we're going to be offering some online courses, like some online programs. And I think we're going to do one on yoga. And I think we're going to do one on meditation. And, you know, would you be interested in doing one on plant-based nutrition? And it was like, yeah, like immediately, because he was kind of like the, you know, the, the piece in the puzzle that we didn't have to make it all kind of come together and give it like a foundation and a structure.

• 25:08Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, that's right. And he's been a big, you know, a big supporter of us. And, you know, definitely whenever he comes into town, he comes and sees us. And, you know, we share a lot with them. And so the alignment felt really authentic. It felt like a seamless match. And, you know, we're really, really blessed and honored to be asked to, to do this with him.

• 25:29Rich Roll?

  Right. So we just started talking about what the course might look like, what we would want to have in it, what we wanted to, you know, make kind of, you know, the thing with Mind Body Green is that it casts a very wide net, you know, it's for a mass audience. And essentially, if you've never been to the website, it's, it's a, it's curated, user-generated content. So they have a panel of experts that submit articles. But then, I think anybody can submit an article to them. And they have an editorial staff that curates the content and puts it up. So it's free information, right?

• 26:06Julie Piatt?

  It's all free.

• 26:07Rich Roll?

  And it's tons of information. I mean, I think they just had, I don't know how many articles they have up there, but it's a ridiculous amount. Like they have this library of, you know, it's just a wealth of information. And they continue to break the glass ceiling on traffic. And, you know, Jason would say to me, oh, well, everybody in tech told him that he would never be able to get more than, you know, a certain number of unique visitors to his site a month. I think it was like, a million or something like that. Nobody in wellness, you know, you can't break that ceiling. And just last month, he had 4.2 million uniques.

• 26:40Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 26:41Rich Roll?

  So it's pretty insane, the amount of traffic he's getting there. But this is the first time that they were going to offer something on their site that would be for money, you know, it's premium content. It's not, it's not free.

• 26:51Julie Piatt?

  Like a product.

• 26:51Rich Roll?

  Yeah, exactly. So. He wanted to make sure that we, you know, that it was done right and that all the Ts were crossed and the Is dotted and that it would kind of meet the quality standard for kind of what the end user has come to expect from Mind Body Green. So Julie and I, you know, went to work and for a couple of months, you know, we had Post-it notes all over the walls and index cards spread out all over the place, trying to figure out like, what are the subject headings of things we wanted to address, what we, you know, what we wanted to focus on, what we didn't want to focus on, like, kind of thinking, if somebody's interested in a plant-based diet, whether they're eating the standard American diet, or whether they've been vegan for 20 years, whether they're an athlete

• 27:34Rich Roll?

  or whether they're a couch potato, like, how can we create this so it has something for everybody, but gives you all the tools that you need to kind of make this shift and make it stick?

• 27:44Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, that's right. And just something that would be very, very user-friendly. And, you know, like I said before, it'd just be something that, you know, someone who eats meat, or eats fish, or someone who's just, as you say, you know, interested in plants, this program provides something for them, you know, really for everybody.

• 28:01Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm. So Julie and I worked really hard on it for a couple of months. We created an outline. We went back and forth with Jason and his staff at Mind Body Green on that outline, like, what about this? Or, you know, well, if somebody wants to learn about this, where are they going to go for that? Oh, yeah, good point. We should talk about that, too. And trying to get our, you know, wrap our minds around, you know, how we're going to break everything down that somebody would need to know into little bite-sized nuggets, you know? But we got there. We created a script. I think my first pass on the script was like 80 pages or something like that. I'd like, that's the way I do it. I have to overwrite everything. And I just write it all out and then I try to throw out what is, you know, not needed or excessive and just kind of drill it down to its core.

• 28:46Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 28:47Rich Roll?

  And, uh, and that's what we did. And then like, I don't know, six or eight weeks ago, we, um, We did the shoot. We shot for three days straight.

• 28:56Julie Piatt?

  Three 12-hour days.

• 28:57Rich Roll?

  12-hour days and

• 28:59Julie Piatt?

  Together, husband and wife.

• 29:02Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and we only had a couple fights.

• 29:04Julie Piatt?

  We only had a couple moments.

• 29:06Rich Roll?

  Only because we had Gus. Gus was our producer-director.

• 29:09Julie Piatt?

  Director, yeah, he was great.

• 29:11Rich Roll?

  Who's a Kiwi. We have to keep this. This whole podcast, you realize, is primarily

• 29:16Julie Piatt?

  For Gus.

• 29:17Rich Roll?

  New Zealand and Australia oriented.

• 29:19Julie Piatt?

  That's right, exactly.

• 29:20Rich Roll?

  I feel like every other guest is from down under.

• 29:24Julie Piatt?

  No, it's, well, what was so cool is that the crew that we had, and it was like this whole experience of like a microcosm and the macrocosm. So we were creating this, you know, video program that we were going to hopefully share with, you know, thousands of people. And everybody all over the world could see it, depending on, you know, wherever they lived. And then here we were and we had, you know, Gus and Ryan, who was our camera guy, and Deidre, who did hair and makeup. And I'm forgetting, there's probably, oh, the sound guy, what was his name?

• 29:55Rich Roll?

  I forget his name. He lived in Kauai.

• 29:57Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, he was Kauai and had lived in Alaska as well. I'll remember his name in a minute. But anyway, it was this incredible crew and what happened is, is, you know, some of the people on the crew were having health issues. And so what really happened is, as we were filming for 12 hours for three days in a row, we were speaking into the camera and this information was actually infiltrating the crew. So the whole crew had a major transformation, all at different, you know, different levels. And it was kind of funny, like the first day, somebody had snuck in like a bag of Snickers bars.

• 30:35Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 30:36Julie Piatt?

  And hid it somewhere. And, you know, we had vegan food that, you know, that was at the craft service.

• 30:42Rich Roll?

  Our dog found the, found the bag of chocolate bars, right?

• 30:45Julie Piatt?

  He ate the entire bag, which, thank God, he's not, he's not sensitive to chocolate.

• 30:51Rich Roll?

  Dogs are not supposed to eat chocolate.

• 30:52Julie Piatt?

  Chocolate at all. But anyway, it was a kind of thing where, you know, by the second day, you know, people were saying, you know, I haven't felt this good in about six years. So, so anyway, it was working and I think we all had a little transformation and, you know, a few people on the crew bought a Vitamix and definitely got more plant powered.

• 31:14Rich Roll?

  Right, exactly. And the idea, yeah, and that kind of core idea is, it's called the ultimate guide to plant-based nutrition, but it's really about how you can get more plants into your diet. We can all use more plants in our diet. So it's not about, are you paleo? Are you low carb? Are you high carb? Are you, you know, are you trying to do ketosis? Are you totally vegan? Are you vegetarian? Like, this is just, hey, man, like, everybody could use more plants in their, in their diet. Like, let's get rid of the labels and kind of all the, the dogma and all that kind of stuff and, and just focus on that.

• 31:51Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 31:52Rich Roll?

  Because the truth is, like, that's where most people are at, you know, like, they're certainly, you know, a big percentage of this audience probably is adhering to a specific diet, like this or that or whatever. But, you know, I think that most people, regardless of whatever protocol you're on, could probably eat more vegetables in their

• 32:15Julie Piatt?

  I would have to agree with that.

• 32:17Rich Roll?

  You know what I mean?

• 32:17Julie Piatt?

  And if, and if one person in the family or two people in the family are eating that way, then there's usually other people, you know, whether it's a, a parent, a grandparent, a child, you know, a cousin, like anybody who's having any kind of health challenges or weight challenges, you know, everybody can do better with more plants. And so we're just saying, let's all meet around the garden. Let's just meet around plants.

• 32:42Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 32:42Julie Piatt?

  And instead of... You know.

• 32:44Rich Roll?

  And, you know, leave your carry-on baggage at home.

• 32:47Julie Piatt?

  Well, exactly.

• 32:48Rich Roll?

  You can't check any bags.

• 32:49Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 32:49Rich Roll?

  Just show up.

• 32:50Julie Piatt?

  Let's just meet at plants.

• 32:51Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 32:51Julie Piatt?

  And then we don't have to talk about all of our differences and make a big deal about all of that, but, you know, let's just agree on that core.

• 33:00Rich Roll?

  Right, so the course is, you know, is the ultimate guide to plant-based nutrition. So if you want to get 100% plant-powered, this will take you across the finish line on that. If you're interested in just kind of exploring the idea of getting more plants in your diet, then it works for that as well. If you're brand-new to the idea of not eating the standard American diet, and you really aren't that well-versed in nutrition, and kind of are confused by all the information that you're constantly bombarded with, then this is a great place to start for that, too. You know, it's like, you don't have to be somebody who's saying, "I'm ready to go 100% vegan in order to benefit from this program."

• 33:42Rich Roll?

  And that was a kind of the idea that we had going forward. We wanted to create something that would be beneficial and applicable to everybody, no matter where you're at.

• 33:51Julie Piatt?

  That's right, and it's all a process, you know? It's an evolution. So, you know, we didn't start off at the point, you know, where we are now. It's been a journey, and a different journey for both of us, and actually for our four kids as well. So it's about just navigating that journey, and, you know, being open to change and open to evolution, and yet not judging where you are right now, because wherever you are right now is perfect.

• 34:14Rich Roll?

  Right, like we talked about with Johnny Bloodclot.

• 34:17Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 34:17Rich Roll?

  You gotta meet people where they're at.

• 34:19Julie Piatt?

  So, do you know why his nickname is Johnny Bloodclot? Do you know that?

• 34:22Rich Roll?

  I don't, well, I don't, I mean, he's like, he told the story about how he got the nickname Bloodclot. I'm not sure I got the joke, though.

• 34:29Julie Piatt?

  I can't remember.

• 34:30Rich Roll?

  Anyway, but you were like, didn't you, uh, didn't you, your, isn't the woman who does your hair, she like, knew him from New York?

• 34:39Julie Piatt?

  No, Jenny, who actually cuts our hair in Malibu.

• 34:41Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Julie Piatt?

  And she's from Brooklyn, and, you know, also, you know, is from that area, I think. And so I just texted her, and yeah, she knows him well.

• 34:50Rich Roll?

  Yeah, you're like, "We just met this guy, uh, who's in the Cro-Mags," or the Paco's, and she's like, "Johnny Bloodclot?"

• 34:56Julie Piatt?

  She knew the name.

• 34:57Rich Roll?

  Like, she knew him. Yeah, it's pretty funny.

• 34:59Julie Piatt?

  It's a small world.

• 35:01Rich Roll?

  But no, that idea of meeting people where they're at and you know, you can't like John, you know, like John said, it's sort of like you can't tell that firefighter guy that, you know, he's not going to be allowed to have like a, you know, like a fake meat sausage, sausage patty in the morning. Like he's got a, that guy's got a long road to go to transition from where he's at into, you know, becoming like raw, you know, like that's not going to happen overnight for a guy like that, you know, and even, you know, I'm sort of prone to extremes and I want to go jump in a hundred percent, but I was vegetarian for six months, eating cruddy vegetarian food before I was ready to take it to the

• 35:42Rich Roll?

  next level. Like we all have our own journey and it's rarely one of perfection or overnight superstardom. You know what I mean? Like people have to, you know, play around with it and

• 35:54Julie Piatt?

  See what works for you.

• 35:56Rich Roll?

  See what works for them. So this, again, the idea is that this should hopefully serve you, um, you know, wherever you're at.

• 36:05Julie Piatt?

  And so, how do you think it came out?

• 36:07Rich Roll?

  It's awesome. You know, so we shot those three days, I don't know how many hours of footage, raw footage we had, but it had to be an insane amount. And it got whittled down into just under three and a half hours of total video footage. And all of that three and a half hours, it's broken down into clips that range from like five minutes to, I think the longest one is 12 minutes.

• 36:32Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, so it's easy to watch.

• 36:34Rich Roll?

  So they're all, yeah, each clip is relegated to a very specific subject heading. The course is broken down into six modules and underneath, within each module, there's a number of sessions. So I think there's 36 sessions total amongst the six modules, something like that. And, and every one again is a specific subject heading and corresponding with each video is a discussion forum. So when you sign up for the course, you also become a member of this like online forum where you can ask questions or say, yeah, I watched that video, but this part wasn't clear to me, or what about this? And Julie and I can jump in and answer the question or provide support. And ultimately, over

• 37:17Rich Roll?

  time, the idea is that the community will support itself in a sustained way, right? So somebody can say, hey, you know, I'm having trouble getting, getting my kids to eat. Better, you know, at lunch, you know, do you pack a lunch? What do you do? And other parents can chime in and say, you know what? I just went through that a couple of months ago. And here's what's working for me. Here's what didn't work. Julie and I can share what we've done, but we're not the be all, end all. The idea is that the community will kind of step in and will be this support mechanism for people out there because we get a lot of emails from people who say, oh, you live in LA and it's just easy there. You have all these restaurants and markets, but I live somewhere where nobody eats this way and I can't even find the food.

• 38:01Rich Roll?

  Or, you know, a lot of guys in the military too. I get emails from guys in the military who are interested in eating this way. And, you know, it's sometimes it's like, you know, you gotta be in the closet as a guy if you're gonna eat this way. Like, it's not acceptable. And so they don't have like the support, like they don't have family or friends or a spouse or whoever that they can rely on as a support mechanism. So the idea with the community is to create that. So at least you have that if you have nothing else.

• 38:29Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, and that's cool. And, you know, together, we're much more powerful than separate. So, you know, there's many, many, many people that, you know, have been doing this a lot longer than we have and have all kinds of, you know, really great information.

• 38:41Rich Roll?

  Of course.

• 38:41Julie Piatt?

  You know, there's always innovative ideas and even, you know, I even find, you know, I'm very fond of my Instagram followers and my experience on Instagram. But I post a lot of food photographs there and, and there's just so much sharing just in the comments, just, you know, just between chefs, between moms, between dads, between athletes. And I love that, you know, because it's, it makes us all better.

• 39:06Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 39:07Julie Piatt?

  So it's great.

• 39:08Rich Roll?

  Instagram is the purest social network, I think.

• 39:11Julie Piatt?

  I just love it. I mean, and your, your photos are amazing. Oh, my goodness. Extraordinary, Mr. Roll.

• 39:17Rich Roll?

  Thank you.

• 39:18Julie Piatt?

  But I love it because I'm an artist and it just allows me to kind of say what I want to say very quickly with no words. And I enjoy it. I enjoy it and I feel connected and fulfilled by communicating in that way.

• 39:33Rich Roll?

  Right. So the ultimate guide to plant-based nutrition is a, is a explosion out of Instagram. Is a more dynamic version of Instagram for you?

• 39:43Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it is. It is. And, you know, and I mean, it's also a trip, you know? I mean, you and I have talked a lot about, I mean, just to get into the, you know, deeper aspects of deciding to create this program and actually putting ourselves out in that way. And You know, we, we just said we love this podcast because it's so authentic and we can be ourselves and it's natural and it's imperfect and it's just what it is, you know? And that feels really powerful and great. And, you know, I think we talked about months, like, you know, how do we do that? Like, you know, because we, it had to be authentic, like, it couldn't be...

• 40:17Rich Roll?

  How do we do, oh, how do we do an online program?

• 40:20Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, and how do we, you know, how's the whole video thing and, you know?

• 40:23Rich Roll?

  Well, it's weird, yeah, because we did a little research, because we were, before, you know, the opportunity with Mind Body Green came up, we were thinking about doing something like this. And we did a little bit of research on the internet. You come across all these kind of, like, sort of, marketing guru guys on the internet, who don't need to be named, but they all have really good ideas about how to reach people through landing pages and video, and here's how you do it.

• 40:47Julie Piatt?

  And make millions of dollars.

• 40:49Rich Roll?

  It's tips and tricks and, you know, all this kind of stuff. And it just seems so gimmicky and salesmany and, like, I just, I felt like I had to, like, take a Silkwood shower after watching it, like, I felt slimed, you know? And I was like, we have, you know, there's stuff that I feel like we could and would like to share that would be beneficial to people, but I'm not interested in adopting those kinds of techniques where you're trying to convince, yeah, like...

• 41:18Julie Piatt?

  Jargon, or something, I don't know.

• 41:19Rich Roll?

  Or where it's just, everything's so slick and you feel like a used car salesman is talking to you.

• 41:24Julie Piatt?

  Right. So just, how do you keep it real and how do you do it? And, you know, there is a way and, and, you know, I'm really proud of what we did and I think, you know, I think it, it delivers. So, but, you know, it's the beginning point, there'll be many more things that we're going to be doing. And also, I mean, that's the first time we've really, well, except for our little videos on YouTube, we did a couple of cooking videos together.

• 41:44Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 41:44Julie Piatt?

  It's kind of the first time we've worked together in that format and... You know, it was a pleasure.

• 41:51Rich Roll?

  It was a pleasure.

• 41:52Julie Piatt?

  Overall, it was pretty good.

• 41:53Rich Roll?

  It was good.

• 41:53Julie Piatt?

  We worked really hard.

• 41:54Rich Roll?

  It was a ton of work. We busted our ass, you know, for weeks getting it done. And even when we were done filming, then, you know, we also put together, I think, I think it ended up being 13, like downloadable tools, like stuff that you get that you can download when you, when you join up and, and you get our cookbook, but then you get like all these, like the ultimate grocery shopping list, which has all the food groups broken down and why this, you know, what this food does for you and why it's healthy and beneficial and blah, blah, blah. Like, that was many pages long, that document ended up being. And then, all the important kitchen utensils you need and, you know, plant-based sources of protein and omega-3, like essentially every question that you would ask or that

• 42:38Rich Roll?

  I get asked or we get asked all the time, like, what about this? What about that? We tried to address all of that. Like, what do I do in restaurants? How do I, you know, how do you deal with travel? Like, how do I eat like this when I go out of town? What if my wife or husband or boyfriend or girlfriend isn't into it? Like, then what do I do? Like, basically, all of those things, we made a huge list of all of these kinds of subject matter headings and tried to address every single one of those. Do we, do we address every single imaginable question about it? Of course not. But, um, we feel really good about it and we're proud of it. We worked really hard on it, so.

• 43:15Julie Piatt?

  And we feel like it's a great way to, you know, uplift, um, you know, anyone's life. And you may know somebody, there may be, you know, a family member or a friend or, you know, a relative who, you know, is interested in, in finding out more about plant nutrition. And this program is perfect for someone like that.

• 43:37Rich Roll?

  Right. Yeah, I think there's the ability to gift it. You can buy it.

• 43:40Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, there is, there's an ability.

• 43:42Rich Roll?

  Or something like that. So, anyway, check it out. It's on mindbodygreen.com. I'll put a direct link up in the show notes. And, uh, yeah, we're psyched about it. So, that's what, that's why we went to New York, was to introduce the program that we'd been working so hard on, was finally going live. And the forum for introducing, uh, the program was pretty cool. You want to talk about that?

• 44:04Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it was great. We were, uh, part of a panel at the Apple Store in Soho. Um, and it was quite an awesome event. We had a great turnout. Um, it was, you know, easily over a hundred people there. And, uh,

• 44:19Julie Piatt?

  It was just a great sort of open panel discussion with Tara Stiles and Michael Taylor and Charlie Knoles and Jason Walker from Mind Body Green.

• 44:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah, so the Apple Store Soho has kind of become this mandatory stop on the PR train for people that have books coming out, or movies coming out, or TV shows that are debuting, or what have you. It's kind of like the 92nd Street Y for the downtown set. And at the Apple Store Soho, they've created this venue upstairs where it's totally suited for these kinds of events. And they have a green room and everything, and they're doing something there like almost every night. So we get there and we go into the green room, and the kind of organizing guy is telling us how Snoop Dogg had just been there.

• 45:11Julie Piatt?

  Snoop Lion now.

• 45:12Rich Roll?

  Snoop Lion, yeah. And, yeah, he came in with like a Louis Vuitton bag filled with weed, with his supplies.

• 45:19Julie Piatt?

  Medicinal, of course.

• 45:21Rich Roll?

  And then right after us, Vince Gilligan and Bryan Cranston from Breaking Bad were coming in, because Breaking Bad's about the final...

• 45:32Julie Piatt?

  Also drug-related.

• 45:34Rich Roll?

  Yeah, exactly, right. Like, we're in between, right? We're the buffer between those two things. So it was pretty cool. It was like, hey, you know, we're kind of doing this panel out of place that means something, you know, culturally. So that was an honor. And Jason put the whole thing together. And like Julie said, the panel included Tara Stiles, who's a very well-known yoga teacher, and her husband, Michael Taylor. They're partners in Strala Yoga in New York. And Charlie Knoles, who's an expert meditation practitioner, because both of those people also had online programs that debuted the same day as ours. So Charlie has a meditation program, Tara has a yoga program. So Mind

• 46:15Rich Roll?

  Body Green launched all three that evening. And the event, the evening, was all about kind of, it was a panel on wellness, and kind of the intersection of technology and wellness, and how we're all kind of leveraging technology to get our message out. But I think kind of... Between the lines, it was really about telling the public that we were going live with these online programs.

• 46:37Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it was great.

• 46:38Rich Roll?

  So it was cool. And Apple Store has it totally dialed in. They filmed the whole thing with multiple cameras and then they put it up as both an audio and a video podcast up on iTunes. There's in the iTunes Store under Podcast, they have events at the Apple Store, so you can find it there. But I also downloaded it and then uploaded it onto my YouTube. So you can watch it on my YouTube page too. And I'll put the all embedded on the show note, in the show notes on the page for this episode. So what kind of pearls of wisdom did you drop on people during the panel?

• 47:22Julie Piatt?

  Well, I don't know. They should watch the video clip and then they can see it all. I think the one that's been coming back to me, actually, it's funny because it's a title of a book that I've been, you know, kind of kicking around. And it's the, it's the term extreme faith. So I think I responded to somebody asking, you know, what, you know, how do you get through the tough times? And I've got a lot of Twitter messages and emails and Facebook messages saying, you know, yeah, extreme faith, like they were connecting with that.

• 47:53Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 47:54Julie Piatt?

  So I shared that.

• 47:55Rich Roll?

  We're kind of having to deal with a little extreme faith right now.

• 47:58Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, we are. I would say that was the energy of today, extreme faith.

• 48:03Rich Roll?

  Definitely, definitely was. Our water heater broke today. We have no hot water.

• 48:09Julie Piatt?

  That's all right. It's just a side, little side something.

• 48:12Rich Roll?

  Welcome Sunday morning. Yeah.

• 48:14Julie Piatt?

  It's no problem.

• 48:15Rich Roll?

  No, we're, you know, we're trying to manage some financial stuff right now and it's requiring extreme faith.

• 48:21Julie Piatt?

  It is.

• 48:22Rich Roll?

  Which I do have, but that doesn't, it's not always easy.

• 48:24Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, no, it's not. But do you, isn't it kind of interesting how in the ego does it every time? It's like, okay, so we kind of get over some hurdle or we're Struggling and struggling and we're experiencing that intense friction. It just feels like sandpaper. It's so painful or whatever. And then we break through and some amazing miraculous grace comes and just is there. And we're freaking out. It's so amazing. And then I think the ego-

• 48:51Rich Roll?

  Well, then you think it's all gonna be fine now.

• 48:53Julie Piatt?

  Well, the ego, yeah. The ego just goes and goes, okay, we made it. And now everything's going to be smooth. And we burned in the fire and now we're at this platform. And now it's going to be different. And then you get the agitation and the challenge just comes again. And then, and really, if you didn't go, if you didn't yo-yo into that other place, if you just stayed in neutral beyond going to now everything's this way. Well, everything's never one way. It's changing all the time. So the challenge and the practice is to access that neutral calm place that holds both extremes.

• 49:38Julie Piatt?

  The great stuff and, well, the seeming great stuff and the seeming tragic stuff or difficult stuff. And if you can find that sort of middle place, you can just experience both extremes without losing your connection. And this is where sadhana and meditation and practice and yoga and ultra-training or whatever your version is. For me, it's devotion. Like, it's really chanting and meditating and going deep. And I need to get down and kiss the earth and get down and bow down on a daily basis.

• 50:16Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Daily basis is the emphasis. I mean, I think these kinds of situations are excellent barometers for me of where I'm at spiritually. Because if I'm not dialed in, like, stuff like, oh, I thought we were gonna have money and now maybe we're not. And we've gotta figure this out by next Tuesday or whatever it is. You know, like, any kind of, like, sort of unexpected, like-

• 50:51Rich Roll?

  Not tension, but like challenge, you know, that's presented to you.

• 50:54Julie Piatt?

  Well, it's the great unknown, right?

• 50:56Rich Roll?

  So, right, but like, but my point being that how I, how I navigate that, you know, like, if I'm in a good place, I'll be like, hey, man, just, you know, it'll all be, it's all gonna work out. We just keep doing our thing. We're focused on what we're focused on. We know we're on the right path.

• 51:12Julie Piatt?

  Focus on the message.

• 51:13Rich Roll?

  You know, and in my experience, you know, over the last 15 years, like, there's been, it always works out when we're, you know, like, it always works out. There's been way too many examples of that in my life to

• 51:29Julie Piatt?

  For you to be doubting.

• 51:30Rich Roll?

  For me to doubt, yeah. And yet, you know, today, I was like, I got into a funk, you know, I was like, this, how are we gonna solve this problem? How, what are we gonna do? I don't, this is, I wasn't expecting this. And, and, and I'm like, oh, I'm not really, you know, I, I need to, you know, I need to get back to basics.

• 51:48Julie Piatt?

  Practice, practice. That's what they call it, practice.

• 51:51Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 51:51Julie Piatt?

  But also, the thing is, is don't lose heart, because, you know, you've had amazing transformation and, you know, you're probably much harder on yourself than you need to be. And a lot of times, you know, we're on a spiral. So you go around the spiral and then you're, you're at a different place on the spiral, but it feels like you're in the same experience again. But you're not in the same experience again, because you're not the same person. And you've, you know, it's a different moment. And no moment is the same moment again. So you have to just release that.

• 52:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's easier said than done for me. But, you know, you're pretty good, because you were, you know, like, we just, we got hit with this thing. And then you're like, okay, I'm gonna just, you know, be positive. And you were like, all day, you're like, I'm awesome. Everything's great. And you've been maintaining this, like, really high energy, positive energy.

• 52:44Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 52:44Rich Roll?

  And despite my multiple efforts to try to drag you down to my level, you somehow figured out a way to stay clear of that.

• 52:56Julie Piatt?

  You know, how I do, how I do that is I, is I find my joy. I find, you know, I might be there for a minute and go, ooh, this doesn't feel very, very good. It doesn't, you know, I'm not liking this. But then, I try to connect with the things that I know in my heart that bring me joy. And so those are design, creation, you know, I created a new recipe. You know, I made an amazing dinner for my family. I went out and looked at house paint colors. Cause I'm dreaming about possibly shifting the colors of our house when we paint it. And that's creative and that's inspiring and that's uplifting.

• 53:34Rich Roll?

  So Those are also things you can control. So I think what happens to me is I develop a sense of powerlessness. There's like, there's, there's a situation arises and I can't figure out how to solve it. And I don't really have much control over it. Right? So that can, that can set me down like a rabbit hole of like

• 53:53Julie Piatt?

  Getting sucked down.

• 53:55Rich Roll?

  Self-loathing into like some kind of shame spiral. You know what I mean? And you go, so what you're saying is, well, what do I have control over? Well, I can, I can engage in an activity that I enjoy. And that's something that I can do. That's like a tool I can rely on. I can meditate, I can do a yoga practice. I can go take a walk in nature. I can, you know, I can, they're, they're simple things.

• 54:18Julie Piatt?

  Well, and I think, but I think it's the power too, is, is you can feel the vibration. So it's like energy attracts energy. Right? So that's, that's, that's, that's a law, a law, universal law. Like you can call it physics, right? Like we were talking about the pain body yesterday and how, you know, Eckhart Tolle talks about the pain body and how the pain body gets elevated and will seek out a pain body in another individual.

• 54:42Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 54:42Julie Piatt?

  To like have an, to have an exchange with.

• 54:45Rich Roll?

  Right. Do, actually you could tell that funny story about getting pulled over by the cop.

• 54:49Julie Piatt?

  Oh, well, I got, so I got pulled over by a cop a couple of nights ago. And I guess one of our headlights was out and I went from brights to just no brights. And then he whipped, you know, pulled a U and pulled me over and, and He gave me coloring books for the girls.

• 55:08Rich Roll?

  But no, you were like, I don't know where the, you know, like you weren't sure you knew where any of the documents were.

• 55:13Julie Piatt?

  I'm so disoriented. Like, I didn't have the right registration or the right insurance, but I have a registration and insurance, of course, but I just, I didn't know where it was. And I handed him two documents that I'm certain were not even the right documents at all. And then he just came back and didn't give me a ticket and gave me two coloring books for the girls.

• 55:30Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 55:30Julie Piatt?

  And when I came home, you were saying.

• 55:33Rich Roll?

  No, I said, so when you came home and you told me that story, I said, well, I'm glad that it was you in the car and not me getting pulled over. Because I like, you know, I get activated easily in, you know, situations where, you know, like there's authority looming over me, right? So I said, I'm glad it was you, not me. I probably would, I would not have handled that situation as well as you had. And Mathis, our nine-year-old, said, why daddy? Like, well, you know, why wouldn't you, you know, what would have been the problem if it was you? And what did you say?

• 56:06Julie Piatt?

  Because his pain body would have become activated and would have seeked to connect with the policeman's pain body. And there would have been a big altercation of some kind.

• 56:17Rich Roll?

  That's probably true, you know?

• 56:19Julie Piatt?

  No, so, I mean, this is really, really important. This is important stuff. And you have to understand that you're not your pain body. Like, that's just a, that's a program that's in you. And so the warrior path and the way that you take responsibility and you really, you know, you really do have the ability is you practice neutral, loving compassion. You stay neutral. You don't get into a charge. There's, your power is in neutrality. The real power is in neutral, loving compassion for all things. So even if you, if you're in a position or in a situation and you don't agree, or, you know, or, or, you know, there's danger or you're scared or whatever, finding that neutral place is the place that you avoid these explosions of experience.

• 57:03Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 57:04Julie Piatt?

  It's really powerful.

• 57:05Rich Roll?

  And when I'm able to do that, that I definitely coast through challenging situations easily. But it's very, for me personally, is very difficult to be neutral. You know, certain scenarios, situations carry a very heavy charge. And when I get in, it's almost like I don't even have any control over how I react.

• 57:25Julie Piatt?

  Yes.

• 57:26Rich Roll?

  You know, and it's, it's, it's like a practice, you know? And again, another barometer of. Where I'm at spiritually, like if I'm grounded and taking care of myself and doing all the things that I need to do to feel right with myself and the world, then I can be neutral in those situations.

• 57:43Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 57:44Rich Roll?

  But when I'm not, or I blow them off, you know, then I'll get activated and then I engage. And then before I know it, I'm in an argument. And you know, for me, it's the worst is-

• 57:52Julie Piatt?

  It's usually the librarians.

• 57:54Rich Roll?

  The librarians.

• 57:55Julie Piatt?

  That's a really big trigger for rich.

• 57:58Rich Roll?

  The librarians, it's a library, definitely trigger me. Because I feel like they look at me like they just can't wait to say no to me, whatever I'm gonna ask.

• 58:06Julie Piatt?

  So funny.

• 58:07Rich Roll?

  I know. And then customer service people on the phone, like when you call to pay, you know, like the cell phone bill, or the gas bill, or whatever it is, I call up, or I'm, I have a question about something, and you get shuffled around, and you get, makes me, I go insane.

• 58:24Julie Piatt?

  I know.

• 58:25Rich Roll?

  So I'm like, you have to call these people, because if I do, I'm gonna end up, our bill's gonna get increased.

• 58:32Julie Piatt?

  But you know, the cool thing is, is now, that's really the huge gift that yoga, practicing yoga has awakened in me, or given me. And it's really that, you know, you're in the practice, and you're in the flow of postures or asanas, and you're in what is a very strenuous, you know, very, it's really demanding a lot of you, but you're also relaxing at the same time. So you're in, you're finding neutral in whatever your body's doing, and then you're connecting to the breath. And so whenever I'm teaching yoga, I'm always calling the attention to the breath, and I often use the cue, whole body breathing, whole body breathing.

• 59:13Julie Piatt?

  So you feel like you're taking in prana, or life force, not just from your mouth and your nose, but from your whole body, every part of your organism is inhaling and exhaling. So if you just switch your awareness and feel that- After you develop a practice and you do this, you know, over a period of time, that second attention gets activated in you and it's almost like you have the observer awareness which is activated always. And then all this other stuff is going on. You might get angry, you might be really angry, you might be agitated,

• 59:54Julie Piatt?

  you might be upset, you might be happy, you might be, you know, any emotion. But beyond it is this other thing that's, it's like a constant light and it's just holding, it's holding all the polarity of experience.

• 1:00:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, what it is, is it allows you to create an arm's length distance between you and that emotion where you, like you called it the observer, you can observe that and say, "Oh, and I'm observing myself get agitated or angry about this situation." But you can observe it in a dispassioned way where you're like, "Isn't that interesting? Well, hmm, maybe I'll make another choice about how I want to react to that." And that's when you realize that there really is a distinction between your mind and your consciousness, that these things are not the same thing, you know,

• 1:00:49Rich Roll?

  that, that you have a consciousness outside of the thinking mind that has domain over that mind if you develop the tools to control it so it doesn't control you.

• 1:00:59Julie Piatt?

  That's right, and the mind is a wonderful tool. But you should not be being controlled by your mind.

• 1:01:07Rich Roll?

  Right, we talked, I mean, we talked about that with John Joseph, he was talking about that. Right? And as far as yoga goes, he made a good point that we always talk about all the time, which is that yoga is not gymnastics and yoga is not about how well you can do these poses and, you know, all of that, it's really to prepare your mind and your spirit to...

• 1:01:34Rich Roll?

  Get into a more transcendent place, right? So it's like all you go through this series of postures, rigorous series of postures, that are all intended to quiet your mind, so that you can get into a better mental and emotional and spiritual state. And that's why yoga ends with the shavasana, which is the meditation portion of the class at the end, where you generally you're lying down on your back. And in West LA, most people hit the road, you know, like they get their

• 1:02:06Julie Piatt?

  Turn on their cellphone.

• 1:02:06Rich Roll?

  Exercise part in, and then as soon as it comes to the part about lying down.

• 1:02:10Julie Piatt?

  They don't want to deal.

• 1:02:11Rich Roll?

  They leave. And like, that's the whole, the whole point of the class is to get you to that point, where you can tap into a higher state of being. That is the whole, everything in the class is preparatory to the shavasana, to get you ready for the shavasana. And so to leave, that's just, that's not right.

• 1:02:33Julie Piatt?

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:33Rich Roll?

  You know what I mean? So, and it's not any, I mean, you're just, you're just depriving yourself of the greatest benefit of it, I think. If you want to really do, you know, do yoga, the way yoga is supposed to be.

• 1:02:46Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:02:47Rich Roll?

  So.

• 1:02:47Julie Piatt?

  Beautifully put, Rich Roll.

• 1:02:48Rich Roll?

  You like that?

• 1:02:49Julie Piatt?

  When are we practicing together?

• 1:02:50Rich Roll?

  I don't know, we should probably put that to the test.

• 1:02:52Julie Piatt?

  Put that on the calendar.

• 1:02:53Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 1:02:54Julie Piatt?

  It'd be great.

• 1:02:54Rich Roll?

  Get a babysitter.

• 1:02:59Rich Roll?

  What else?

• 1:03:00Julie Piatt?

  I don't know, I have a feeling, I was talking about something before we went this way, and now it's lost.

• 1:03:04Rich Roll?

  Well, I talked to you, I know, I asked you about, you know, what came up during the, the Apple Store panel? And you were, you mentioned something that you were asked about, but we didn't, so we did this panel, it was awesome, right? We're like a hundred and some odd people there.

• 1:03:19Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, and it was, it was really cool too, because we had a lot of fans turn up from the podcast.

• 1:03:25Rich Roll?

  That's right.

• 1:03:25Julie Piatt?

  So thanks you guys for coming out.

• 1:03:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:03:27Julie Piatt?

  Super sweet to meet all of you.

• 1:03:29Rich Roll?

  I just got an email from Dean Karnaz's yesterday. He's like, dude, I'm traveling through the Midwest and the South. He's like, everywhere I go, people are coming up to me and talking about your podcast. He's like, what's the deal with this podcast? He's like, when are you gonna have me on? Like now, now like this guy who's, you know, arguably one of the most recognizable, most famous runners in the whole world is like telling, you gotta have me on your podcast. I'm like, dude, anytime, you know, like, of course. But I thought that was so great. And that's because of you guys, man. So awesome. That's the power of the pod, man.

• 1:04:06Julie Piatt?

  It is, power of the pod.

• 1:04:07Rich Roll?

  It's crazy powerful. So careful what you say.

• 1:04:11Julie Piatt?

  We love it. It's great.

• 1:04:14Rich Roll?

  And so what else? We finished talking about New York.

• 1:04:17Julie Piatt?

  No, so no, I want to talk a little bit about. So anyway, so Charlie and Tara are actually new, you know, new to us, new friends.

• 1:04:26Rich Roll?

  And Michael.

• 1:04:26Julie Piatt?

  And Michael, new friends. We hadn't met before, Jason, and actually he got us all together. And, you know, much to our delight, we have a lot in common with these, with this group. They're all amazingly grounded and down to earth. Charlie and I were having some really big laughs about the comedic part of our spiritual journey. And, you know, he was talking about on the panel how, you know, he was raised by hippie parents and there were lots of Indian masters and meditators at his house. And I kept thinking about how that's my house.

• 1:05:01Rich Roll?

  That sounds like our house.

• 1:05:04Julie Piatt?

  So anyway, it was funny.

• 1:05:05Rich Roll?

  That'll be, you know, Tyler and Trapper and

• 1:05:08Julie Piatt?

  That's what they'll say.

• 1:05:09Rich Roll?

  15 years. Like, well, my mom always had these people coming through our house.

• 1:05:13Julie Piatt?

  I know. I've had a lot. It's been an interesting, colorful journey for sure. But anyway, I hope we're gonna have Charlie on the podcast.

• 1:05:21Rich Roll?

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 1:05:22Julie Piatt?

  We have a lot to talk about and really funny and really

• 1:05:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah, he's super cool.

• 1:05:26Julie Piatt?

  A lot of really grounded wisdom. And he obviously, you know, has the chops to teach the meditation.

• 1:05:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah. And you should hear him talk about like how meditation can transform your life. I mean, you know, he's He's the real deal.

• 1:05:40Julie Piatt?

  He's amazing.

• 1:05:40Rich Roll?

  Check out his program, too.

• 1:05:42Julie Piatt?

  So that'd be great. And then Tara, I had the great opportunity to practice yoga in New York, which was such a joy for me. I was able to get up every morning and rush off to a studio. So, anyway, I had never met Tara before and went to their amazing studio. I'm sorry, I don't know where it is. I don't know New York that well.

• 1:06:00Rich Roll?

  It's called Strala.

• 1:06:01Julie Piatt?

  It's called Strala, but I don't know what part of town it's in.

• 1:06:04Rich Roll?

  I think it's, you know, it's near Union Square, I think, or is it?

• 1:06:07Julie Piatt?

  It's in New York.

• 1:06:08Rich Roll?

  No, I think it's, no, it's walking distance from the Apple Store in Soho, right?

• 1:06:13Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, actually, it's really close, yeah.

• 1:06:14Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think it's in...

• 1:06:15Julie Piatt?

  But anyway, they have a beautiful studio, a really great room, and I jumped right into her class. And, you know, she really is just so down-to-earth and unassuming and delightful and actually very happy. So it had a very upbeat, you know, simple flow energy. And while she is quite extraordinarily versed in all the asanas and what her body can do, her class is really geared towards everybody. And it was easy to jump in and flow and have a good time and just kind of open up. So she's really delightful. I'm really glad that I got a chance to practice with her.

• 1:06:54Rich Roll?

  Right. So we have to have them on the podcast, too, soon.

• 1:06:57Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:06:57Rich Roll?

  Next time we go to New York.

• 1:06:59Julie Piatt?

  It'll be great.

• 1:06:59Rich Roll?

  The time I leave New York, I think of like five more people I want to get on the podcast, so I'll have to go back there again soon.

• 1:07:05Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:07:06Rich Roll?

  Hey, Ben. Hey, Ben, get that couch ready.

• 1:07:08Julie Piatt?

  Ben, good. I know, Ben. So, Ben, you have to come to Jai, okay? So let me know when you're going to come out, so we can make some plans. We're going to cook together, actually. Ben and I are going to create some recipes.

• 1:07:19Rich Roll?

  All right.

• 1:07:20Julie Piatt?

  So it's going to be good. It's going to be good.

• 1:07:30Julie Piatt?

  We also got to go to CNN. And we got to see our dear friend Ronnie.

• 1:07:36Rich Roll?

  So Ronnie Selig, our friend at CNN. If you've been listening to the show, you heard her on an earlier episode. She is the director of the Medical Health and Wellness Unit at CNN. In certain respects, I guess she's Sanjay Gupta's boss. She's out of New York and she's super cool. She's the kind of brains behind CNN Fit Nation and turned it into what it is today and we've become friends. So we went over to CNN and she gave us a, I'd been there a couple of times, but Julie had never been there. So she got the full tour over at CNN. We got to go sit in Pierce Morgan's chair and sit in Anderson Cooper's chair and, you know, see how it's all done over there. It's pretty cool.

• 1:08:18Julie Piatt?

  It's quite a huge operation. I didn't realize how many employees. She said thousands, right?

• 1:08:22Rich Roll?

  Well, in that, yeah. Well, I don't know if she meant CNN overall. Like, I don't know, in that, in that building, you know.

• 1:08:28Julie Piatt?

  It's a large building, a lot of stuff going on.

• 1:08:31Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it was pretty cool. So that was fun. And then we went out to dinner with her.

• 1:08:35Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. And Ronnie is a, is a really accomplished athlete. She had like over 60 medals hanging in her office and I knocked them all over to the ground.

• 1:08:44Rich Roll?

  Promptly knocked over.

• 1:08:45Julie Piatt?

  But anyway, she's, she's, she's incredible. So she's very dedicated and loves the sport. Are they all, she said they're different distance races, so.

• 1:08:55Rich Roll?

  She does, yeah, she's not really an Ironman triathlete. She does the shorter stuff.

• 1:08:59Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 1:09:00Rich Roll?

  Just because I think mostly the demands of her job are so insane. But she just loves triathlons. She loves running. She loves multi-sport. And she, it really shows in what she's done with the CNN Fit Nation program, which where they take people, you know, sort of everyman people from across the US and train them over the course of the year and get them ready to do their first triathlon, which they're going to be doing in Malibu

• 1:09:24Julie Piatt?

  Again, in September, right?

• 1:09:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So they'll all be coming out here again, which should be cool.

• 1:09:27Julie Piatt?

  We hosted them last year and they spent the pre-race evening at our house and Cafe Gratitude catered. And the boys and I played a couple of songs and they were just, they were so amazing and it was so rewarding to see them.

• 1:09:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it was cool. It was kind of a, it was a pretty surreal moment for us because, We were, we were like, hey, we'll host you guys, you know, why don't you guys just all have your like pre-race dinner over at our house? You know, we're pretty close to the, where the Swimstart is and all that kind of stuff. So fast forward to this dinner and we have, you know, Sanjay Gupta and his wife and like all the Danielle Delorto and Caitlin Hoggan and Matt Sloan, all these CNN people. Chrissy Wellington was at her house and Sarah Reinerstine. Like everybody got up and like gave like a little pre-race like inspirational speech for the CNN Fit Nation athletes. And it was pretty, it was a pretty special, amazing evening.

• 1:10:28Julie Piatt?

  It was wonderful to see all those people. It was amazing. And all the, all the, all the athletes. It was incredible.

• 1:10:34Rich Roll?

  No, it's cool. And then to be at the race the next day and to watch them cross the finish line. I mean, it is, you know, there's something about triathlon that is really transformative for people. Like just, you could not, you know, when you saw the, the expressions of these people crossing that finish line, doing something they never thought they would ever be able to do. Like it's really powerful. You know, it's a great thing that they do with that program. So we're looking forward to supporting that again.

• 1:11:02Julie Piatt?

  Great hearts. Definitely.

• 1:11:03Rich Roll?

  So then we go, so we have the tour at CNN and then we, we got to dinner with Ronnie and her husband to Stewart, to Blossom Cafe on the Upper West Side. And, and the waiter.

• 1:11:17Julie Piatt?

  Tell them about Blossom.

• 1:11:19Rich Roll?

  So Blossom is an amazing plant-based, it's a vegan restaurant on the Upper West Side. There's a couple of them in New York.

• 1:11:25Julie Piatt?

  It was great. It was definitely one of my favorites.

• 1:11:28Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I'd been to the one in the West Village on Carmine Street a couple of times, but I'd never been to the Upper West Side one. And the menu was different there. But anyway, it's super delicious. And

• 1:11:36Julie Piatt?

  It was great. What did you have?

• 1:11:38Rich Roll?

  I had

• 1:11:38Julie Piatt?

  Oh, you had some like Burger situation.

• 1:11:42Rich Roll?

  I can't remember. I think I had like a quinoa burger or something like that. Yeah, it was good.

• 1:11:46Julie Piatt?

  I had some, like a mushroom saute with asparagus that had a very kind of French vibe to it. And it was really tasty. It was great.

• 1:11:55Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's damn good. And our waiter is a fan of the podcast and had started his own podcast. I'm gonna get reamed now because I don't remember his name, but he started a podcast. Oh, yeah, it's, I think it's, I think you're right. I think it's Diego.

• 1:12:08Julie Piatt?

  Diego. Hey, Diego.

• 1:12:09Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:12:10Julie Piatt?

  Thanks for the, for the love at the restaurant.

• 1:12:13Rich Roll?

  Yeah, on Twitter, I think he's WalkingAloneNYC and he started a podcast, which I think is called Walking Alone in New York or something like that. But I'll put it, I'm gonna, please don't hate me because I don't remember the details of this, but I'll put it up, a link in the show notes to his show. And yeah, he gave us the 15% Rich Roll Podcast discount for dinner, which was pretty awesome. So thanks for that, man. I'll be a Blossom fan for life for that, which is pretty cool.

• 1:12:41Julie Piatt?

  It's a great restaurant. Thank you so much.

• 1:12:43Rich Roll?

  So, yeah, man, good trip to New York and lots of wellness happening. I mean, you know, for such a big city, I mean, it's really like everywhere you go, there's like juice bars and yoga studios and, you know, it's kind of all happening in New York in a, in a good way.

• 1:13:00Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. What's that other place that we ate at? Is it called Pure Food?

• 1:13:03Rich Roll?

  Pure Food and Wine.

• 1:13:04Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:04Rich Roll?

  And then there are kind of takeout around the corner called One Lucky Duck, which they have all sorts of good products and stuff like that. Yeah, the food is amazing, right?

• 1:13:14Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Rich Roll?

  Right, totally raw, but like, that's very gourmet. That's very high end, sheeshy fancy restaurant.

• 1:13:21Julie Piatt?

  It was great. It was a lovely, lovely room. The patio on the back was great.

• 1:13:27Rich Roll?

  So overall, good trip to New York. We came back and, yeah, what are we doing now?

• 1:13:34Julie Piatt?

  What are we doing now? We're doing a podcast right now.

• 1:13:35Rich Roll?

  We're doing a podcast right now. We're building the podcast. We're going to be focusing on getting some new products out to you. Like I said, we're redoing the website. And we're, we're taking a hard look at doing some workshops and retreats. Actually, we're gonna meet about that tonight, right?

• 1:13:51Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, we have a big meeting tonight.

• 1:13:52Rich Roll?

  So actually, you know what would be helpful is if you are interested in maybe doing a training retreat or a plant-based nutrition retreat or a workshop or weight loss or whatever, like,

• 1:14:03Julie Piatt?

  Or relationships.

• 1:14:04Rich Roll?

  Put a comment on the, the,

• 1:14:08Rich Roll?

  The show notes page for this, for this episode at richroll.com and, and just say what you would be interested in, what kind of an event would interest you, you know what I mean? So we can put that in our brains and think about that a little bit.

• 1:14:22Julie Piatt?

  That's right. And I'd like to do something new that I haven't done yet. I'd like to give a free recipe right now. Can I, can I share what I made for dessert for you guys? Okay, cool.

• 1:14:32Rich Roll?

  I saw it. I was like, I gotta have to Instagram that because that looks too damn good.

• 1:14:36Julie Piatt?

  And I was like, get away, I'm not done yet. Don't take a picture yet. No, so it's just the berries in Los Angeles have been amazing. So I got a lot of organic blueberries and organic raspberries. And I created this chia seed banana pudding. Maybe last week I Instagrammed it, but I wanted to use it in a, in a parfait, I guess they call, you know, when you sort of layer the berries with the pudding and then with some other stuff. So anyway, I started with just a beautiful clear glass and I put about a quarter of the, no, about, I'd say a third of a cup of blueberries in the bottom.

• 1:15:20Julie Piatt?

  And then I made this banana chia seed pudding, which basically consists of ripe bananas, chia seeds, filtered water, coconut oil, and a little agave. Oh, and vanilla bean.

• 1:15:34Rich Roll?

  In the Vitamix?

• 1:15:35Julie Piatt?

  No, I put that, well, you could, but I just did that in the food processor.

• 1:15:38Rich Roll?

  How much, how much of each?

• 1:15:41Julie Piatt?

  Well, probably about, I'll, I'll write the recipe in the show notes, but probably about a half a cup of chia seeds and then put really sort of four cups of filtered water or maybe three and a half cups.

• 1:15:54Rich Roll?

  And how many bananas?

• 1:15:55Julie Piatt?

  Four really ripe bananas, like better, they're better the more ripe they are.

• 1:15:59Rich Roll?

  Darker.

• 1:16:00Julie Piatt?

  No, well, soft, you know? So it's like, if you're going to make a banana bread, you want the, you know, you want them ripe because the flavor gets really brought out. And then a whole vanilla bean. So vanilla beans, you know, you get them in the spice section and you have to slice them lengthwise and then scrape the black vanilla bean out of the middle. And this is the secret ingredient. And then depending on your taste, because see, the bananas are already pretty sweet. So if you're You know, very plant acclimated. You may not really need much sweetener, but otherwise I would do maybe like a third of a cup of agave, organic agave. So then process that up and let that sit for a minute. And that's very puddingy like. The chia seeds, you have

• 1:16:45Julie Piatt?

  to put them in filtered water first, though, and soak them and kind of stir them and let them become gelatinous.

• 1:16:51Rich Roll?

  Get like gelatinous.

• 1:16:52Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, before you put them in the processor. So then I got a can of organic coconut cream that I kept in my refrigerator. And in the Vitamix, I opened that up and I drained the liquid. There'll be some liquid on one end of the can, like on the bottom of the can. So scoop out the vanilla cream on the top, being careful not to get too much liquid in it. And then I put about three tablespoons of cacao, raw cacao powder, and about a third of a cup of agave and just Vitamix that up. And then, so I'm going back to the glass. I have the blueberries in the bottom. Then I scooped in a serving of the banana chia

• 1:17:36Julie Piatt?

  seed pudding. Then I put fresh raspberries in between. And then I topped it with the chocolate coconut cream.

• 1:17:44Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:17:45Julie Piatt?

  And there's a raspberry on the top. And the other cool thing is, is we've started to grow our own food at Jai. It's very rudimentary right now, but we had a beautiful blessing. Somebody sent us a tower, garden tower.

• 1:17:58Rich Roll?

  Amazing.

• 1:17:59Julie Piatt?

  Tower garden.

• 1:18:00Rich Roll?

  Tower garden.

• 1:18:01Julie Piatt?

  So anyway, so one of the things that I'm growing, and we're going to do, I'll give you more information about that, but we're going to do, give you more information. But I'm growing a stevia plant, which I actually didn't even know existed. It's an organic stevia plant. And so I'm going to garnish this dessert with stevia leaves. And if you eat the stevia leaf, it tastes like sugar.

• 1:18:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's amazing. You gave me a leaf the other day. You're like, taste this. I thought it was mint. And I ate it and I was like, whoa.

• 1:18:33Julie Piatt?

  I know, it's crazy.

• 1:18:34Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Well, that sounds delightful.

• 1:18:37Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. So.

• 1:18:38Rich Roll?

  It's a good summer delicious dessert.

• 1:18:40Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. And that's going to be in, in our new cookbook. And I'm working on that. That's in development.

• 1:18:48Julie Piatt?

  And

• 1:18:49Rich Roll?

  There you go.

• 1:18:50Julie Piatt?

  So it's a, it's a brand new recipe.

• 1:18:52Rich Roll?

  Cool. All right. Well, I think that's a good place to end it.

• 1:18:55Julie Piatt?

  Okay.

• 1:18:56Rich Roll?

  Let's wrap it up. So we'll put, yeah, we'll put the specifics of that recipe in the show notes. And we're going to be coming back at you really soon. Right now, I did want to give one last shout out, though. My buddy, Christian Isaacson, is in the middle of doing Ultraman Canada.

• 1:19:14Julie Piatt?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:19:15Rich Roll?

  Today's day, today's day two. Yeah, after day one,

• 1:19:17Julie Piatt?

  Whoa.

• 1:19:17Rich Roll?

  He was in third.

• 1:19:19Julie Piatt?

  That's huge.

• 1:19:20Rich Roll?

  Like he's, yeah. And I talked to him last night on the phone.

• 1:19:23Julie Piatt?

  Oh.

• 1:19:24Rich Roll?

  And he sounded good. So I haven't found out how he's doing through day two yet, but I'm anxious to hear. So Christian, if you're listening to this, we're thinking about you. We're sending good vibes. By now, you've, obviously, the race is over. But as of the moment that we're recording this, you're probably just finishing the day two bike. And we're hoping that you get a good ice bath and get ready for that big run.

• 1:19:46Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:19:47Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Julie Piatt?

  You're gonna kill it.

• 1:19:48Rich Roll?

  All right, man.

• 1:19:49Julie Piatt?

  Tomorrow.

• 1:19:49Rich Roll?

  So that's it for now. Lots of good guests coming up soon. And that's it. We're taking it to the next level. Oh, yeah, we should probably tell some, tell people where they can find the ultimate guide to plant-based nutrition.

• 1:20:03Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:20:04Rich Roll?

  If they're so inclined.

• 1:20:04Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:20:05Rich Roll?

  Where would, where would somebody find this?

• 1:20:07Julie Piatt?

  You can find that at mindbodygreen.com.

• 1:20:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, M I N D B O D Y G R E E N dot com.

• 1:20:15Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:20:15Rich Roll?

  That's the place. That's where to find the ultimate guide to plant-based nutrition. You can also find Tara Stiles and Michael Taylor's yoga program and Charlie Knoles's, Knowles's, Knowles's meditation program there. We all worked really hard on these programs. We're all really proud of them. They're all top-notch, super high quality and

• 1:20:35Julie Piatt?

  And remember, they link it all together. So it's mind, body and spirit.

• 1:20:39Rich Roll?

  That's right.

• 1:20:39Julie Piatt?

  So all three areas necessary for a victorious life of jai.

• 1:20:45Rich Roll?

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:46Julie Piatt?

  So anyway.

• 1:20:47Rich Roll?

  Yeah, mindbodygreen.com. All right. So thanks for tagging along. Thanks, Julie.

• 1:20:52Julie Piatt?

  Thanks, Rich.

• 1:20:53Rich Roll?

  For dropping by the podcast.

• 1:20:54Julie Piatt?

  Thanks, honey.

• 1:20:54Rich Roll?

  Always a delight.

• 1:20:55Julie Piatt?

  It's lovely.

• 1:20:56Rich Roll?

  We have lots of great content coming at you, lots of great guests lined up that I'm just finalizing the schedule on. And you have a podcast of your own that we're going to be getting ready to launch pretty soon, too.

• 1:21:08Julie Piatt?

  That's right. I'm super excited. It's called Divine Throughline. And it's going to be geared toward the hero's journey in everybody's life.

• 1:21:17Rich Roll?

  Just the next show in building this little podcast network empire that we're working on here. We're gonna, we're gonna corner the market in health and wellness.

• 1:21:25Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:21:26Rich Roll?

  And podcast, but the podcasting. All right. I gotta tune out. I'm starting to lose it.

• 1:21:32Julie Piatt?

  All right.

• 1:21:32Rich Roll?

  All right. Thanks for dropping by.

• 1:21:34Julie Piatt?

  Thanks so much.

• 1:21:35Rich Roll?

  All right. Until next time.

• 1:21:36Julie Piatt?

  Thanks. Namaste.

• 1:21:38Rich Roll?

  Peace. Plants. Plants.

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