EP #4 How to Create a Successful Life w/ Tony Robbins

In this episode, Peter and Tony discuss what it takes to be an entrepreneur and live a successful life. You will learn about: What it takes to be an entrepreneur How philanthropy works How crazy ideas change the world How to predict the future through patterns Tony Robbins is the nation’s top business and life strategist as a motivational speaker, coach, and philanthropist with over 30 years of experience. He has coached Fortune 500 top leaders and U. S. presidents. Support Tony’s 1 Billion Meals challenge: 1 billion meals challenge | Feeding America. This episode is brought to you by Levels: real-time feedback on how diet impacts your health. levels.link/peter Consider a journey to optimize your mind and body by visiting Life Force. Listen to Moonshots & Mindsets on: Diamandis.com/podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  What gives people energy at any age besides physical energy, the psychological, spiritual, emotional energy that drives someone to do something unique is to find something they care about more than themselves. There's only so much you'll do for yourself because it's not that hard to get yourself to the point where you're comfortable and you're okay and you're fed well. In the world we live in today, even if you want to live off somebody else, it's possible to do that.

• 0:54Peter Diamandis?

  And a massive transformative purpose is what you're telling the world. It's like, this is who I am, this is what I'm going to do, this is the dent I'm going to make in the universe.

• 1:06Peter Diamandis?

  Welcome to Mindsets and Moonshots. Today, I'm excited to be speaking with one of my dearest friends on the planet, the incredible entrepreneur, New York Times bestselling author of over a dozen books, a philanthropist, a coach of millions worldwide, the incredible Tony Robbins. Tony has a 40-plus-year career in creating breakthroughs and transforming lives. He's coached and consulted with some of the top athletes, entertainers, thousands of top CEOs and four U.S. presidents. He's a founder, partner, investor in over 1,000 privately-held companies. And as is fitting to the spirit of this podcast, Tony has an incredible moonshot to provide over 1 billion meals to needy individuals by 2025.

• 1:48Peter Diamandis?

  And it's probably worth noting something else important, that Tony is a new dad. Tony, good to see you, buddy.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Good to see you, Peter. That's quite an introduction.

• 1:59Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, well, you know, deservedly so. And I love our friendship and our partnership. You know, it's appropriate, we're doing this on Labor Day.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:09Peter Diamandis?

  Of course, of course. And I work my butt off 24/7, and you're the only person I know who works 28/7.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  No, I hope not.

• 2:17Peter Diamandis?

  They do. And I am curious, you know, having a new daughter, increasing the scope of the family.

• 2:26Peter Diamandis?

  You know, one thing we talked about in the past was, I asked you on stage, we were having a conversation. I said, "Tell me about your thinking on work-life balance." And you said, "No such thing. It's work-life integration." Do you remember that?

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. You've got to think about it as, you know, labor. What is labor? You know, for me, labor is an expression of love. Other than my absolute direct love with no other filters, my labor is the greatest love that I can give somebody. It's my mind, it's my emotion, it's my spirit and soul, as it is with you. And I think, so that's why it's fulfilling. And when I say, you know, I remember interviewing Mary Callahan Eredos when I was doing Money Master the Game. You know, she manages, you know, businesses of over $2 trillion in business with a T. 2.5 trillion, I think it is now. And I asked her about this, and she said, "You know, I used to come to the office with my dad, who was a financial planner, and sit behind his desk. And I was so part of his life." And she said, "You know, here, now I run $2.5 trillion."

• 3:22Speaker 01

  And she said, "But at the same time, I'm, you know, JP Morgan, the head of this company. I do the same thing with my daughter. I have this great time with her. And I really look at it as, you know, it's an integration. It's not a balance." I mean, think about balance. Think, imagine a teeter totter, a seesaw, and you and I are going to play the game of life as balance? Okay, once we get it balanced, how long before one of us is like bored enough? If we want to do something, jerk this thing around to feel alive, right? So, but for me, it's been a really interesting time. I don't have 1,000 companies. I have 110 companies. But we are doing $7 billion in business across all these different industries. And I have thousands of employees, and I love the challenge of all that. And it's certainly been different now because I have five kids and five grandkids. But, you know, my oldest daughter is 48, my youngest is 17 months.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  It's a different world. But I love that, too. It's caused me to have more gears, you know, to find parts of myself that I've got to step in and be even more present in a different way. It's been the most exciting and fulfilling thing in my life so far here. I love all my kids, all my environment. Just this stage of life doing it is really special.

• 4:27Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, a lot of entrepreneurs don't realize, you know, doing anything big and bold in life is hard. And it's going to take a lot out of you. And it's going to consume everything you've got, especially if, like you said, it's it's full of of of love and passion. And it's your highest expression in the world. But how how do you how do you deal with, you know, sort of all the demands? It's like, at the end of the day, you know, you've got a 17 month old, you've got a family, you've got, you know, and you're on an airplane, how many days a year?

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Well, a lot differently. I'm gonna tell you what, the part of why I have a daughter right now is because of COVID. Because we were, we wanted to do this for about 10 years, but, you know, most of my life I've been on the road continuously. So of all these homes all over the world, but rarely at any of them. You know, in average city, an average year, I'd have 115 cities I do. Most of these are multi-day seminars anyway, to give you a sense, as you know. I'd go to 14 to 16 countries, some of them two or three times, like Australia. And so literally, I was home very little. I spent more time in the airplane than anywhere else. But thanks to COVID, and it was not a thanks initially, I mean, when I started getting the phone call and, you know, we're supposed to do this big event in San Francisco and they call up the governor, says you can put 10 people here.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  I'm like, what? 10 people? You know, we've got a stadium for 15,000 people. But then, you know, the next thing I knew, it was all over the world. It was London, it was Australia, the whole world, just like dominoes. And so I was like, my first approach is we're going to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas. We shut down in Vegas a week before we went to the event. Let's go to Dallas, let's go to Texas. I know the governor, he's never going to shut that thing down. You know, they kept open Costco and they shut down the churches there. And it was just wild. So I saw people doing webinars and I was like, oh, man, I'm used to a stadium, the energy, I can't do this. So I built this studio and we have 50 foot high ceilings and 20 foot high LED screens, 0.67 highest resolution.

• 6:21Peter Diamandis?

  I've been in it. It's amazing.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable. I can now see people in their home and now my seminars are 25,000 people. We've done four seminars with over 800,000 homes, there's over a million people in each one. I never dreamed of having that impact. So because of that, I can come home and be with my daughter. I probably wouldn't have done it. So the technology shifted things for me.

• 6:41Peter Diamandis?

  Do you think you would not have had? Her if you didn't.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  I wouldn't have. We kept putting it off and saying, we just can't do it with the lifestyle we have. And yet I was so addicted to the lifestyle of helping people all over the earth. And it's my mission. It's what I'm made for. It's not a mission statement. It's how I live. But now I'm able to reach even more people.

• 6:59Peter Diamandis?

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• 7:43Peter Diamandis?

  let's get back to the conversation in the episode. So that's one of the conversations I really want to get into, because my mission, as you know, is inspiring, guiding entrepreneurs to go bigger, right? And I think entrepreneurs are the means by which we make the world a better place. Entrepreneurs are individuals who find and solve problems, and the more of them finding and solving problems. And the challenge is, it's not an easy lifestyle. I mean, you've had nothing but, you know, it's hard, it's 24/7, it's picking yourself off the ground and going. I am curious, your advice for that entrepreneur who's having that debate and that challenge between private

• 8:25Peter Diamandis?

  life and, you know, having a family. Or, you know, what I say is that when you're starting a company, you're going to spend more time with your co-founders than you are with your wife, or your husband, or your kids a lot of time. How do you deal with that?

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Well, in my case, it's relatively easy because my wife is the executive producer of our lives. Sage is pretty extraordinary, but we traveled everywhere together. We did everything together around the clock. And it just made us deeper and richer because as much as we love each other, our relationship is also based on a common mission of serving humanity as much as human possible, not making that statement and saying it to the world, but the way we lived our life that was most fulfilling and still is. So I don't, you know, my sons have been involved, my daughters have been involved, they've all been involved in the business throughout my life. And that's where that work-life integration happens. But I also think not everybody's made to be an entrepreneur and I don't think, I think today, everybody thinks that's what they want to be. But, you know, we all have different, we're talking about Labor Day, we all have three different kinds of gifts of labor that we could give.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  And we can develop all these skills, but there's a nature in most people. And the first level is that skilled producer, like that person who's like an artist. I don't mean an artist like just painting. You know, some people are artists with software, some people are artists in fashion, some people are artists in negotiation. Like they're the best in the world at what they do, they're extraordinary. And artists do things because they want to see the impact, they want to feel it, they want, they would give up the money for the impact in most cases. You know, some people are more manager leaders. These are people that love, they don't love the individual building the product or the service, they love managing the process, the people and the processes. And they love that systematic approach to things. And then there's some people that are, we're all entrepreneurial if you're in business.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  But a true entrepreneur is in it truly for the risk. You know, I remember I was with Steve Wynn and he invited me to come to Macau to see his new hotel he was just building and you know, it was the most extraordinary 2.7 billion dollar hotel and I got to be there before the doors opened and he's showing me everything and, you know, explaining to me that there, the average bed is five times larger than Vegas. And how he has these suites he showed me where they literally don't have to deal with anyone else. The entire suite is like a mini, you know, casino. And, but he's, I asked him, where? You can, you can gamble in your sleep. Yeah, exactly. You don't have to deal with a riffraff, you know, type of thing, right? And so I said, well, you know, in every business, there's an 80/20 rule. I said, You know, what's the 20% of your business that produces 80% of your profit?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  And he goes, Tony, it's more extreme than 80, 20 in my business. He goes, there's 50,000 people that produce 80% of my profit. These are the big whales. And he said, so I've hired people who all they do is take care of them. And he goes, they all play back rack. Because back rack is a game where the odds are really close. They, the, it's the closest odds you have to any other game to being close to being with the house. But that still has a slight advantage. He goes, but Tony, what they don't understand is the more they play, the more those odds multiply in my favor. And he goes, so we have people that make $3 million, $4 million in a weekend, but they could also lose four, five or 10 million. He goes, I have people, all they do is live for this. So, you know, why am I telling you this story?

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Cause to give an idea, I remember I said, well, let's watch after everybody opened the doors, you're seeing people mesmerized by the building and everything else. And we go up and he says, let me show you a high rollers table. And I watched a guy, no lie, in probably 13, 14 minutes, lose $10 million right in front of me. And my guts torn up and I'm not even the owner of the casino. I could never own a casino. I'd have to get the guy to get me out of it, right? Steve just smiling from ear to ear. And also the guy turns around and sees us standing there. He goes, oh my God, oh my God, can I have a picture? And you know, I hear this every day of my life. So I said, sure. And he hands me the camera. And he goes, no, not you with Mr. Win.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Steve, I believe I went to your Vegas place. Everything's so different. You're unbelievable. Guy lost $10 million and he's hugging this guy, Steve Win, right? So I really want people to get is it doesn't matter what you do, but a real, that's an entrepreneur, somebody who'd lose it all, step back up and do it again. Ted Turner's done it. Anybody's done it. You are not necessarily made for entrepreneurship, just because you have an interest in it. Just because you have a passion. I think you need passion and you know, where's the marketplace you're going to serve that has that impact. And then you gotta look at competency. You gotta say, what competencies do I have? What skills do I have? So for me, I'm an artist at my core. I will be on stage for 12 or 13 to 14 hours. I have to work another day in my life. Why am I here? It's the fulfillment of seeing the impact in these people's lives.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Now, I became an entrepreneur. You know, I got all these companies. But part of how I did that was I got other people that are entrepreneurial in it because I would overspend, over-deliver, over everything. And they'd say, well, does the customer care? And we developed great partnerships in that. So over the years, I developed those skills. But under stress and under excitement, you go to your nature. So the question I have for you is, who are you? Are you more of an artist that like you're in it for the impact alone? You're gonna have to bring, you might ask yourself, who am I and who do I need? You might have to bring an entrepreneur in to scale that business with you, who can take those kinds of risks. Or you might need to get a manager leader if you're an artist. If you're a manager leader, you're looking for great entrepreneurs to join. And you're looking for artists who make that company work.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  So I think it's really important not just to say I have this giant goal, but to be honest with yourself about your nature. Because in the end, if you have these great goals and you're not fulfilled, then what did you do it all for? It was just for, you know, positioning, which was ridiculous.

• 13:49Peter Diamandis?

  And there are very few individuals who do anything big and bold on their own. It's building a team and it's knowing what you can do and so forth. Let's drill in on the next question, which is, and I'm, I'm really, I feel a lot of energy around this, which is a lot of entrepreneurs are doing things that are not impactful enough, right? That are, I, the joke I make is they're building another photo sharing app. And it's like they're, you know, the world's biggest problems, the world's biggest business opportunities. You know, when I say that, people get it. But how do you get folks to be willing to take the risk to go and do something that actually can make a dent in the universe? If you're the entrepreneur in this equation, if you're the individual who, who has those skills, you've built something.

• 14:34Peter Diamandis?

  But how do we encourage them to go bigger?

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Well, I think you don't have to encourage an entrepreneur to go bigger. That's the nature of entrepreneur.

• 14:42Peter Diamandis?

  But it's not just about rev- it's not just about making money.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I understand. You're talking about impact. You and I are completely aligned in this area, as you well know, and I think your idea constantly of, you know, billion, you know, the biggest problems are the billion dollar solutions, right? This is the opportunity that's there. I just don't think that's everybody. I think encouraging, here's the difference, Peter. I used to think everybody should have their, you know, change the world and so forth. I don't think that anymore. I have a different mindset. I'm looking for who you are and let's help you get what you really want. And there are people that are unbelievably driven, who will take giant risks, who will not sleep, Elon Musk, who will be there on the floor and will go and change the world. That is not everybody, and I don't think everybody should be encouraged to do that because all they'll be is disappointed. You know, right now, as you're listening to this podcast, whether you're one of those people or not,

• 15:31Speaker 01

  there's nothing you and I are going to say that's going to make a difference for that kind of person, other than to encourage people as an entrepreneur to say, why not do something that'll be meaningful and size and scope and the economics, right? The meaningfulness is what the end's going to matter. Cause the money goes away. There's only so many islands, homes, trains, planes, automobiles, you know, things you can do. It all comes down to what is your life's meaning? What is it, what have you given? What have you grown? What have you experienced? What have you delivered? And so I think, I think we can call to that, but I think you did the best job of it by showing what's possible, Peter. You do so many great examples of showing how technology can really solve a problem for a billion peoples and make you a billion dollars or more. And I think you're probably the best at it. And I'll say that just to compliment you on your own podcast, I think you are.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  But I have a slightly different exposure, which is those people are going to do it. I can help tweak it with them. I can sit down with them. I can show them another opportunity. I can get them hungry for more meaning. Cause after a while, when they made enough money with widgets, it's pretty damn.

• 16:28Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I call, I call it success to significance, right? How do you take the success you've had, whether it's capital or resources, relationships, whatever it is, and put into service of a significant impact? So let's talk to those people right now. Let's talk to the people who you are entrepreneurs, who are wanting to do something. And, you know, I was there. Yeah, I was finishing medical school. My mom and my dad are like, Peter, take over my dad's practice. Go become a physician. When are you going to start? Do your internship or residency? No, that's not what I want to do. I want to go and build this, right? And then with space, kind of crazy, but. The individuals who are facing their parents, their husbands or wives or loved ones, who are saying, "That's way too risky."

• 17:14Peter Diamandis?

  You know, "Why aren't you becoming a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, or joining that, you know, big blue?" How do you, what's your advice for them?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, my advice is pretty simple on this one is like, if you have enough passion, you're not gonna let anything stop you. You need to fan that passion. You get around where it's better. You gotta get around people that have delivered on their passions and let that rub off on you. Even when people say, "I'm trying to find my purpose," get around where it's better and let something hit you. And because, you know, role models make it real. You can have a dream or a vision. I mean, again, Peter, I'm not just throwing compliments away, I mean, you know how much I love you sincerely, but what you've done with X Prize is the perfect example of that because you've shown it can happen again and again and again. It's not a one-time thing. We can take a vision, we can inspire enough people to compete, and we can transform an entire industry, whether it's space or whether it's, you know, solving hunger or whatever the case may be.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  So I think for those individuals, the piece for them to do is constantly fan the flames. You have to see, feel, experience what it is you really want. And, you know, I think for some people, finding that purpose or that drive sometimes is to do the opposite. It's like when people say to me, "You know, I don't really know what I want to do for a living." I say, "Great, describe the job from hell. Tell me who you..." Write down who you wouldn't want to work with, what you wouldn't want to do for a living, the environment you never want to do it, and you cannot believe the amount of energy that comes out when people start writing all the shit they hate. And when the energy's out and they've written all that they don't want, then I say, "Okay, write the opposite and you have the job from heaven or the business from heaven or the relationship you don't want," right? When people are so frustrated, "Tell me everything you don't want," right?

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Okay, now there's energy going because the only thing that's gonna get you to execute is energy. And if you sit in your head, there's low energy in your head. If you're sitting talking to other people about what's possible, they'll have the best of intent, but they just don't want you to be disappointed. But disappointment is part of entrepreneurship. Disappointment's part of life. Disappointment either drives you or destroys you. You gotta pick. And if you immerse yourself over and over again in what it is you want, you'll start... Start to have pull instead of push. I mean, those are the two kinds of motivation, right?

• 19:17Peter Diamandis?

  You and I both know that that we gravitate towards those who are celebrated in society, right? We want to be that NBA All-Star. We want to be that, you know, it was the, you know, the the Wall Street dream. When I was in in high school and college, all my smartest friends went to Wall Street to become investment bankers like or lawyers. And I was like pulling my hair out. It's like such a, for me, it was an empty and meaningless job. It was moving money around. It was it was basically just making money on the on the heels of folks who are changing the world. And and ultimately, it's how do we create the ability to celebrate individuals? Who are those change makers? Who are those entrepreneurs that are, you know? It is Elon. It is Marc Benioff. It is other individuals that you and I both know.

• 20:02Peter Diamandis?

  So it's it's I want to light the fire for folks to say you can make a difference in the world. You can go work on something bigger versus just falling into the normal pattern. Any thoughts there?

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Well, again, I think I think it's I have a slightly different point of view. When I was growing up and, you know, developing myself and starting to succeed on decent scale, I had these really specific goals that I was trying to target. I knew precisely where it was on the mountain. And then, as the years went by, I began to have a different approach. My approach was, let me figure out the direction I'm heading. What I really believe is there without having to walk into that one individual meeting person, economic situation, whatever. And when I get to the mountain, I'll climb over it. I'll dig under it. I'll go around it. I'll enjoy it, whatever the case may be. And I think that today, people are so obsessed with something way out there that for some people, it's too soon. I mean, let's talk about what it really takes to make a business go.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Every single person who's a true entrepreneur has to go through what we call the threshold of control multiple times. The threshold of control is like if you if the people watching are listening of a snowboard or ski, and let's say you're intermediate investor, you're a beginner, and one day you're on a new mountain and you missed the wrong turnoff and you're on the green slope or the blue slope, and there's a double black diamond right down below. You look down, you go, I'm gonna die. There's no way I'm gonna die on this thing. So what do you do? You got two choices. One choice is you realize you're beyond the threshold of your control. And so what you do is put your ass against the mountain and you hang on a claw for dear life so you don't fall down that cliff. And you work your butt down there slowly to try to survive.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  The other is, all right, I have got to turn. I've never done this before. And you literally focus only on the next turn, the next turn, the next turn, the next turn. You don't focus on getting down to the bottom of the mountain. It's too much. You focus until you do those turns and by the time you're done. The double black diamond is your little, you know, you own it. It doesn't own you, right? It's a completely different experience. So in my businesses and yours, I can remember. Coming home from a business meeting or an event I'd done and there were. Eleven employees I had at the time in this tiny little office. And they all met me at the airport as I landed. I thought, wow, this is so cool.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Well, they're all here to tell me they love me, but we're gonna quit because the lady running the show. Was just the terrible treatment of people and she was saying the company's gonna go bankrupt and she was paying herself and somebody else and not paying other people. And I came home and found out and fired the lady and found out that she had spent all the money, gave it six months in advance to herself and other person. And we had no cash flow. I needed fifty thousand dollars to keep the doors open. Now fifty thousand dollars then would be like ten billion plus today. Much, much, much larger number I can imagine. Beyond my threshold of control, right? And so. I remember I was trying to, I tried one thing and another and somebody offered me an opportunity, this network marketing thing and it was like, oh my God, this is not what I'm about and my integrity.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  And then finally I had this idea. I'm gonna call this guy who was a gentleman who was a stunt man in movies and he only got a couple of deals. And I worked with him, turned him around and got his psychology straight and he had like ten straight big movies, like big movies, made a ton of money. So I called him and I said, look, I need fifty grand. I don't know how I'm gonna pay it back, but you know I absolutely will. And sure enough, he loaned me the money. And by the way, about ten years ago, I've obviously been back way back then. I tracked him down to get another fifty grand, just remembering how incredible it was, you know, at that stage. But it was one of those thresholds. Then I had one years later where, you know, somebody sued me. Wrong, but you can go through a lawsuit and cost you two, three million dollars and like three million dollars, that was more money than I could dream of. And then I had a business partner

• 23:40Speaker 01

  years later that I was partners in a company that had 1.6 billion in EBITDA and and there was an offshoot of that company. I go through all the details and the the partner was supposedly a billionaire and he had no money and two of my other partners got in trouble. So I'd sign this deal joint and several. There's 150 million dollars in debt. And so I had to come up with 150 million dollars. That was inconvenient. I didn't have 150 million dollars, but I figured it out. That's how I got to being in a position now where, you know, I could do seven billion in business because you go through those thresholds. So I think it's wonderful to have that giant goal, but I think most entrepreneurs still have to crack their teeth on whatever is the threshold in front of them next. And each time you do, when you become more confident, you become stronger. It's like the food. You know, originally I was, you know, trying

• 24:25Speaker 01

  to figure out how I could feed two families. You know, I was just, just beginning. My family fed, was fed when I was 11 years old at Thanksgiving. I never forgot it. I want to feed others. I fed two families. Then it was four and then it was eight. And then I got my little small company involved and then I eventually got to two million people a year. And then about eight years ago, I was like writing this book on finance and interviewing these billionaires and I'm watching Congress wipe out food stamps. It's called the SNAP program now, so much so that I think it was six and a half billion. It took so that every family that needed food would have to give up one weeks worth of food every month unless you and I stepped in. And it's like, well, how many people have fed in my lifetime? I thought it was 42 million people. I didn't even know the number. I said, what if I fed 50 million people in a year? What if I fed, you know, a hundred million

• 25:07Speaker 01

  people in a year? What if I fed a hundred million people here for 10 years? It's a billion people. Well, that was seven and a half years ago. I'm coming up eight years. I'm two years ahead of schedule. We're 940 million meals right now. And so now I'm working on a hundred billion meal challenge. I'm finding a hundred of the people. I know you're going to be at the

• 25:23Peter Diamandis?

  I'm going to be at your dinner.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  And I'm, I'm looking to find, I've already, I've already got four people putting up a billion meals. So I've already five billion meals, more than I've done in 10 years.

• 25:31Peter Diamandis?

  All right. We're gonna, we're gonna take this conversation someplace else that I have a lot of energy around, my friend, which is, which is there, you know, there's something like 2,700 billionaires on the planet right now.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:43Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, it's, it's amazing. And, uh, you know, the top hundred, uh, have more money than, than most nations on the planet. And so you and I know a lot of ultra high net worth individuals, a lot of billionaires, and one of my biggest challenges is

• 26:01Peter Diamandis?

  What the, you know, what the hell are they doing with their capital? You know, it's the notion of everybody sitting on their money to make more money versus using that to make a dent in the universe, to, you know, to use Steve Jobs's quote. And it really pisses me off. I mean, I want to go, you know, take out a full page New York Times ad and say, these people are solving the world's problems. These people are building, you know, buying bigger yachts. And it's, I would love to explore, how do you think this is going on? What is it that, you know, there are very few people, it's Mark Benioff, you and I know, he's a beautiful man.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:38Peter Diamandis?

  He's backed, you know, so much research in health tech and biotech and changed the world. And then there's folks like Elon Musk, who's betted over and over and over again. Martin Rothblatt, another dear friend, who's done extraordinary work, just taking moonshot after moonshot. And then there's the tops of the Forbes, the top of the Forbes list. And I've had this conversation with Steve and Kip Forbes and the family there. I said, you've gamified wealth retention. It's like, you don't want to drop from number seven to number 70 by giving away that. It's like, it really, so advise me here. How do we help incentivize those individuals to really use not just their capital, but their resources, their intelligence, their relationships to go make a bigger dent on

• 27:23Peter Diamandis?

  the planet? What are they going to do with it at the end of the day?

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Well, you know, here, here again, Peter, you're, I used to feel exactly the same as you do. In fact, we've had this conversation before privately at a different time when you were raising money, you know, for the X Prize for, on the health side, on the longevity side, right? Like, what's wrong with these people? And, you know, the only reason I can answer is not because I'm so smart, but because I believe I, I talked to a very smart friend of mine, who's been one of my dearest friends for the last 30, 35 years, and that's Peter Guber, who I know you know well as well. And Peter was saying, Tony, you're, you're being pissed off and stressed at people. And he goes, it's not consistent with all the other things you do. Everywhere else, you try to understand them. You try to appreciate what drives them. He said, that's why you're so effective, but you, you have, you have low tolerance because you're willing, you know, I've given away 17% of all I've earned in the last 10 years, to give you an idea, not 10% of the growth.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  revenues I've made and it's like I I'm disproportionate what I do so I think everybody else should be goes not everybody is he goes here's how I think you should look at it ever since he told me this is how I look at it now he said okay I I want to know what it is that is their hot button and I want to deliver that and instead of saying all they should do this so they can save children you know let's say for example we have 28,000 kids now that I've saved that are were trafficked I mean one child in a traffic situation chained to a bed will seeing this will you'll just it it you'll be altered forever so it's like I have been altered

• 28:42Peter Diamandis?

  yeah

• 28:44Speaker 01

  care about they don't care about

• 28:45Peter Diamandis?

  underground railroad yeah

• 28:46Speaker 01

  yeah I got a ground rebel but but many organizations are one of them but the most important thing is he said some people do things because they want their name on the hospital side of the wall some you know in the building some people do it because they're guilty because they didn't earn their wealth and so they they want to get rid of the guilt some people do it because they care about the children some people are gonna do it because and you have to figure out what those are instead of being mad about it you gotta say what is their hot button and that has helped me immensely and raising capital because I don't have a judgment anymore they should do it for the reasons I think they should do it I'm obviously I I feel strongly about saving people in a variety of areas food water air I mean everything but I also now see everybody's got their thing everybody's got their passions we got their insights and all I want to know is

• 29:30Speaker 01

  what's their hot button so they'll contribute I don't care about if it's for the right reasons who's the right reasons that's my judgment it's their reasons I need to get into and I think when you do that you're more effective you're you're unbelievably effective in raising capital for businesses and you've been really effective on the nonprofit side but I think you can't here's my belief you have a hard time influencing people when you're judging them and and and the bottom line is if you're not judging them you can influence them because you can take the time to understand what their needs are and meet them and that's what business is and so philanthropy has to be looked at I think through the same light and that's what I do today and I've the number of people that I've been able to engage and involve now has gone geometric compared to when I just thought they should do it and got frustrated

• 30:13Peter Diamandis?

  And let's be clear, I'm not judging on what they should do. It is do anything, do something.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Well, I'm still judging.

• 30:23Peter Diamandis?

  Ah, okay.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  I'm not saying you're wrong, you and I have come from the same place. But it's like, like your values are, they should not be building more of that. But some of them are gonna build that and they're gonna give it away. Some people are gonna build that and they're applying all these jobs. I mean, you gotta remember, there's so many. If a bumblebee goes and it's trying to get the nectar, God arrange something pretty cool. It doesn't know, it's getting what it wants, but it's still playing a role in something larger. I mean, you know, the pollen sticks to the legs and that's how we have more flowers. So it's like, I have a different mindset about it now. It's like, if that guy keeps all the money forever and builds up his businesses, who cares? That capital and those businesses are still providing jobs and opportunity. But I'd like to find a piece of his heart. I'd like to figure out what he's passionate about or get him introduced to something that

• 31:08Speaker 01

  once he experiences it, or she, they go, oh my God, I never knew it was like this. Or I never knew it felt so good to give in this way of my time, my energy, my intellect, my emotion or and or my money. And that, it makes it more fulfilling while you're doing it.

• 31:21Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, the, the conversation I had was actually around, uh, an idea we kicked around of the impact pledge. I said, the giving pledge, right? Which is, uh, uh, Gates and Buffett is, I'm gonna give half of my money to a nonprofit while I'm alive. And it's like, well, you can't take it with you, so you don't have that much of a choice. But, uh, and this is where I was, you know, complimenting you. It isn't just your capital that you're giving, uh, on, on your, you know, uh, your billions, now to hundreds of billions of, of meals. It's your capital and your intellect and your relationships and your time. And so the question is, how can we incentivize those who've got the means to really take on leaving the world a better place, making an impact?

• 32:06Peter Diamandis?

  And I agree, like, listen, I'm a capitalist, I'm a capitalist libertarian, more jobs, more businesses created, fantastic. But at the end of the day, uh, It's how do we get them to to call their shots and make and make it a larger impact? Is it just finding that heart string or is there any other way? I mean, you know, if the Forbes list gamifies wealth retention, is there an impact list to gamify making an impact on the planet? What ideas you have?

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think anything that can tap into those different needs. Some people do things for the need for significance. Some people do things for the need for connection with other people. Some people do it to grow. Some people do it because they just want to contribute. Some people do it, you know, because they want variety in their life and it's a new thing for them. So instead of like having one universal approach, I think we have to have multiple approaches. But gamifying impact, I think is would certainly help those who like a measuring stick and want to be known for the level of measuring stick they've developed. And that's one type of person. But I think also it's like, again, I think there I have a slightly different approach than I did with maybe I was 50 or 40. And that is I have no difficulty finding plenty of people that want to play at this level at this stage. I think more and more people do.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  And I think as things get more difficult, it tends to wake people up to what's most important to them. And I saw, you know, winter is it's here, but we're we haven't hit the worst part of winter yet. We've had some financial winter. We're going to have a lot more difficult times. And the one good thing, I remember I was sitting down with President of the United States, President Clinton years ago, and I went to Camp David with him and he was complaining to me. I remember I was like 31 years old and I really liked him, but he was just whining, it felt like to me. I'm making my judgment in those days, right? This guy's the most popular guy on earth that he's complaining because no one understands what he's doing, you know? It was at the time when, you know, he was really ineffective in the beginning and the Republicans had taken over both the House and the Senate. And he was on and on and on. And I remember just looking at him and saying, well, sir, I said, think about it this way.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  You have to decide what you're going to make your focus be, and it's got to be something that other people are inspired by. The things you've done that you say no one notices, it's because no one's inspired by it. What are the targets you're going to set that are going to make this more alive and more real? And I think I think today, the other thing he told me, the reason I thought of the story was he kept talking about, you know, he was the first president where there was an external enemy. So for the first time in a short time, we didn't have terrorism, we didn't have the Soviet Union, right? So like now we're fighting amongst ourselves. And I've always said, you know, the Reagan even said this, it's like if there was ever a time that America come to the world would come together as if some alien group came in and we'd all be humans, right?

• 34:40Speaker 01

  But there's something about bad times that will also make people come back together and unify and start to look at how they can serve something beyond themselves. And you look at World War II and you see some of the, some of the best entrepreneurs in the world there who gave up a lot of what they had for the war effort to turn things around. I think the times that are coming will call to people to give more of all sorts, the entrepreneur, the business person, the general population as well. It'll create an alignment. That's why we have seasons. Winter gets rid of the old stuff. It's tough as hell and it makes you grow. And then springtime is the reward and then summer is the test and then fall is the reward. It's this alternating cycles that human beings go through. It's society goes through and history goes through.

• 35:22Peter Diamandis?

  And for the entrepreneurs listening, you know, now is the best time to be looking for what your company is going to be, right? Some of the most extraordinary companies on the planet were born out of the, you know, the dot com bust or the 2008 real estate bust or out of, out of COVID. So, you know, if you're looking to do something, you want to step up to a bigger game, look around, find out what the needs are and help reinvent the industry that you're passionate about.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  If you look at the Fortune 1000 and you think of the four seasons, financial seasons, we go through, there's springtime when things just grow like crazy. It's easy. You think you're a genius. It's really the times that are going. There's the summer when now you planted all the seeds and it's hot. It's not working so well. There's the fall when all of a sudden everybody's reaping. Somebody wants to give you a mortgage even though you don't have a house. And then there's the winter where it looks like nothing's working and it's all falling apart. But winter isn't forever. You know, no, you know, no pandemic is forever. No war is forever. It's a season. And if you do well in winter, you'll, you'll stand the test of time. So of those four financial seasons, if I showed you the Fortune 1000, more than 60% were born in one season of the four. It's not bad.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  And I don't care whether it's Disney during a depression or whether it was, you know, Apple during a recession.

• 36:39Peter Diamandis?

  Uber, Airbnb.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  We can go through them all. So it's like this is your time. And I always tell people there's two businesses you gotta always be working on. The business you're in and the business you're becoming. Cause if you don't focus on the business you're in, you're gonna be attracted to all this cool, exciting stuff over here and you don't have the cash flow to get there, right? Or if you just focus on the business you're in, someone's gonna be out there preparing for the future that you're not prepared for and they're gonna take you out. So it's really that balance as an entrepreneur that really will make you successful over the long term.

• 37:07Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. If you were gonna start a company, what would you start? Do you have any ideas of where you wanna go? I you don't, I know you don't wanna start another company, but what some of the challenges that you'd go after out there, any place in particular?

• 37:19Speaker 01

  I I think for me, I would look at healthcare, obviously, as you and I already are. And I would certainly look at finance, which has to be changed. It's it's abusive the way it's currently set up and people don't even realize it. The level of power that's concentrated in a few people because people don't know what 1% means. Sounds like nothing, but you know, compounded interests, compounded fees. I would I would be looking at those areas and I have been educating people in both those areas. They can make better choices through my books and educational programs. But I think they're there. And then there's the use of all the tools that are coming. Nanotechnology, obviously, AI, we all know what's coming and what's here. But the, as you know, better than anybody, we're at the base of that. We're at the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of what's gonna happen in those areas.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  And I'd be looking for an industry where the technology is multiplying rapidly enough to solve those problems that are not really solvable today.

• 38:08Peter Diamandis?

  Do you know, like, a hundred years ago, at the turn of the last century, when electricity was coming online? The entrepreneurial engine was taking something and adding electricity. It was like a hand drill, an electric drill. A hand dryer, hand dishwasher, make an electric dishwasher and so forth. Then we're gonna see the same thing, I think, in AI in particular. Where AIs can be applied to everything. And yeah, so let's turn towards a subject.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  I want to ask you a quick question. I want to ask you a quick question. So what's your view? And I know you have a mutual friend who's predicted the timeline on this, obviously, with Ray. But what's your view about where AI is right now in terms of consciousness? I mean, we all heard the story of the gentleman who works for Google and and we heard the take backs from Google and he got fired. You know, what's your view about where things really are? And if you talk, I haven't spoken to Ray about it. I was curious what what Ray's thoughts are, if you know.

• 39:01Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I have spoken to Ray at length and he'll be with us both at A360. You'll be there this year. We can talk about it. He's still holding to 2029 as human level AI. You know, Elon came out a few months ago saying 2025. Now, we both know he sort of is, he hasn't hit all of his targets, but you know, let's just, let's give him a few months. He's anticipatory, yes. So the second half of this decade. Now, what's interesting is, you know, AI is a field that's 50 years old and the idea of the Turing test came about, you know, some 40, 50 years ago. And it was originally going to be just testing a system by typing at it. Could you,

• 39:44Peter Diamandis?

  in a typing communication, tell if something was a human typing back at you or a computer typing back at you? And I would argue to a large degree, that old style of Turing tests, the systems today can most definitely pass it. But we've moved the bar up. Yeah, we've moved the bar up significantly. And, and I'm, I am anticipating and I am betting that we'll have human level AI by the end of the century, end of this decade, sorry. And, and the question is, how does it change your life and your world? It changes everything, right? In terms of your, your employees. But the thing that people haven't pulled in is there's a lot of work going on in, in quantum technologies right now,

• 40:28Peter Diamandis?

  in quantum computation, which is moving very quickly, which is going to, in itself, advance the whole field of, of AI. So it's fun. It's fun and exciting and it scares the shit out of most people.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  It does. And, and they gotta be prepared because so many jobs are going to disappear. New jobs will be created, but there's that, that timeline difference. I mean, we were all farmers 200 years ago. 80% of America's farmers. Now it's what, 2% we provide food for the whole world? So it's like, it's much more efficient. But in that timeline, that took, you know, 80 years of transition. Now the transitions are so quick, I think it's going to be a bit jolting. I tell people, yeah, okay.

• 41:07Peter Diamandis?

  You and I had, you and I almost started a series of conversations on technological unemployment. Remember that? We were fearful of. And and we didn't and the challenge is that today they're like two job openings for everyone unemployed person. It's never been this this much and

• 41:27Speaker 01

  But also the job participation, the job participation rate is through the floor. It's not just

• 41:31Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  The opportunities are there, right? People have dropped out of the system. And and and a lot of women have dropped out of the system and now for millennials, there's the new phrase, I'm sure you've heard about this silent quitting, which is how do I do the absolute minimum amount of work to keep my job? And so there's a, there's a, there's a psychological difference that isn't, it isn't just an economical difference or environment of difference.

• 41:55Peter Diamandis?

  You know, I, I tell this story, I mean, this fear of technology causing mass unemployment isn't new. I tell the story that there was a letter written by a number of Nobel laureates and top scientists sent to the United States about the impact of automation on the finance market on destroying all of the jobs in finance. And that letter was sent to Lyndon B. Johnson back in the 60s. You know, when the first computers came out, but of course we got more bankers than ever before. So the question is, you know, you've probably seen all the stuff that's coming out on Dolly and Dolly two. I mean, it's extraordinary, right? So it's gonna be about human AI partnership. At least for a time being. The other thing I think about is that

• 42:38Peter Diamandis?

  there's a lot of people who are doing jobs which they didn't dream about doing when they were kids, right? They're cleaning bathrooms, they're making beds, they're, they're waitressing. And at the end of the day, how do we, how do we partner with AI to uplift those individuals?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  I, I think that, I think you, everybody who cares about the future and cares about their kids for the future has to understand that there's no way to predict what's going to happen. It's already accelerating so rapidly. So the one thing you can control is your ability to learn. And the things that you have to learn are three things. Three skills. First, recognizing patterns. It is the basis of human progress. If you say, why is humanity where it is today instead of still out there, a hunter gatherers trying to find food and survive? It was one Pattern, recognizing the pattern of the seasons. Understanding there's this thing called winter and if you plant during winter, it doesn't matter how hard you work. You don't get rewarded. There's only a specific, there's a right time for everything.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  And so the pattern of that recognition allowed us to stay in one place, plant, grow, have communities, cities, nation states. I mean, it's one of those profound changes in humanity. Well, there's also seasons of a human being's life. And if you're going to be successful, you have to recognize those seasons and second skills, learn how to use those seasons. Cause one thing to recognize, so things are no longer just chaos. Like, you know, looking at where we are right now with the world. You know, you, you study Ray Dalio's work of 500 years of studying, you know, of history of different, you know, countries growing and then declining and what occurs. It's very predictable what's happened. It's not like, oh my God, what's happening? No, this is a predictable pattern. Now what are you going to do to use it? So it doesn't use you.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  And so that's the same thing in your own life. What season are you? Are you in the springtime of your life, zero to 20? Are you the 22 to 42 where you're the soldier society, you're testing what you were taught as a kid. You're deciding what you want. You're finding out life is much more complex. You're not going to be a billionaire and the President of the United States and simultaneously all these relationships that, yeah, I have to start figuring this stuff out. Or I gotta raise the car, oh my God. Are you in that 43 to 63 range where it's the power years if you grew during the free business too? Are you in that 64 to 84 to 104 to 124, right?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Where you're the mentor society, but if you, if you can teach your kids and yourself to recognize patterns and to use patterns, then you'll get to the third level, which you'll start to create patterns. And those are the people that shape their world, their life, their family, their community, their company, society, right? And well, those are the three patterns. And if you do those three, it won't matter what AI does, it won't matter what goes on, you will be there. It's like Warren Buffett the other day was doing his, you know, annual conference and people asked him about inflation and said, you know, what do we do? And he said that the thing you gotta do is invest in yourself. Because if the currency goes to hell and we're, and we're using poker shells and you're the best lawyer, you're the best scientist, you're the best business person, you're going to get the premium of.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Whatever is here available and they can't tax your skill set as your skills grow. So I think we all have to grow our skills. We have to know where the world is going to some extent, meaning the mountain direction of the mountain, you know, the precise place. And we got to recognize patterns, use patterns and start to create patterns of our own. And that'll put you or your kids in control of their life, no matter what change happens around them. Cause that's a learning experience.

• 45:59Peter Diamandis?

  Let me add one more thing to that, which is rather than becoming an expert in the technology, because technology is changing constantly.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:06Peter Diamandis?

  It's under becoming an expert in the problem, right? Understanding the root cause of the problem, because then you can apply the next level of technology, the next level of technology to that. So I think that's a, that's an important thing to add.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  It's like the same thing in the business. You don't fall in love with your product or your service. You fall in love with your client because you understand who they are.

• 46:24Peter Diamandis?

  And their needs.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  The products and services are going to change so rapidly today. I mean, I had a Sony Walkman. That's all I am. And that damn thing was around for 22 years. They changed the color, the shape. It was the same product. Now you got a 90 day life cycle to a six month life cycle on those products before it's knocked off by four other companies, right? So it's much more competitive today.

• 46:42Peter Diamandis?

  Hey everybody. I hope you're enjoying this episode. I'll tell you about something I've been doing for years. Every quarter or so, having a phlebotomist come to my home to draw bloods, to understand what's going on inside my body. And it was a challenge to get all the right blood draws and all the right tests done. So I ended up co-founding a company that sends a phlebotomist to my home to measure 40 different biomarkers every quarter. Put them up on the dashboard so I can see what's in range, what's out of range, and then get the right supplements, medicines, peptides, hormones to optimize my health. It's something that I want for all my friends and family and I'd love it for you. If you're interested, go to mylifeforest.com backslash peter to learn more. Let's get back to the episode.

• 47:27Peter Diamandis?

  All right. I'm going to turn us towards a, a topic of common passion and love, which is longevity and health span. So.

• 47:38Peter Diamandis?

  I'll set the setting. You and I are at the Vatican. We're at the at the Unite Conference there. We're having an X Prize event I invited you to and you're giving your keynotes and I'm giving mine. I'm on stage with heads of different religions and in the audience is and scientists and in the audience are like four or 500 scientists from around the world interested rejuvenative medicine and all of this and I ask an innocent question which is how many of you here would like to live to 120 years old? And I'm shocked.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  It was crickets.

• 48:19Peter Diamandis?

  It was crickets. It was like a quarter of the audience raised their hand and I'm like WTF? I mean, what's going on here?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Especially since the very people that you were talking to, so people have context, were creating some of the greatest breakthroughs in cancer breakthroughs and stem cells. I mean, what they were bringing looked like miracles and yet when you brought this up, it was crickets. And you remember what I said to you? You were stunned. I was not stunned.

• 48:42Peter Diamandis?

  I was. Yeah, you were not. So what? So tell people listening why you weren't stunned.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Well, I wasn't stunned because I said, Peter, most people's idea of 120 years old is decrepit and broken down and, you know, not the quality of life. I think more people care about the quantity of their life than the quantity of their life. And so you and you can match them too. That's different. If you said, okay, who'd like to be 120 if you could have total insurance? So you have all your cognitive capacities at their highest level. You'd have your physical capacity, strength, mobility, everything else. You'd look damn good. You could have a great sensual life, still be alive. You can be stimulated at all levels. Then people might start saying, well, I don't know if I believe it, but if that's possible, I'm in. But I think most people with a minute they hear age like that. I mean, one of the great gifts for me is some of my best friends now that I met when they were like 45 and they were 18 years my senior, like, you know,

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Peter Gibber's 80 years old, as you know, he's one of my dearest friends, you know, you look around and you see somebody like Steve Win, he's 80 years old and Peter today, I met him when he was like 47. So now he's 80. The guy owns the Warriors, the Dodgers, the LAFC Football. With him in he he's a regent for U C for the U C system. He teaches at UCLA. He makes movies. I mean, I mean, the guy does more today at eighty than he did when he was forty seven or fifty supposedly in his prime. Same thing with Steve Wynn. I'm not and so and you look at Ray Dalio, I think is seventy four, seventy five. So you need role models that'll have a quality life like you look at Peter. You'd never think he's eighty years old. You know, not a trillion years. You know, people think he's late fifties, early sixties max.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  So I think I would tell people goals are great and raising your standards wonderful. That's the first step in anything. Raise your standard for what you're committed to, what you want to have, whether it be how long you're going to live, the quality of your life. But we got to make that standard real by having role models and then you need rituals to back it up. That actually make what those role models do, what do they do that you want to do as well? That's the way I look at things. But you're right. Most people, they just want to get through the, you know, most people also aren't engaged in life enough. They're like, you know, I I think seventy or eighty years is enough for me, but you and I are like, we don't want to sleep. We've both learned to sleep a little bit. Together, but we don't want to sleep because we're so excited, but not everybody is in that place. And I think getting more role models, though, is really the key for people to see in the stuff that's coming out now.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Like the thing you sent me the other day where you can take off almost a year of of age. You know, by those injections you were talking to me about the other day was pretty amazing.

• 51:10Peter Diamandis?

  So so, you know, I've changed the way I phrase it now, which is how many of you want to have the aesthetics, the cognition and the mobility you have today? For the next, you know, twenty fifty.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Some of them shitty, shitty, pretty shitty day.

• 51:23Peter Diamandis?

  That's true. So so let me ask you a question. I I think you know my answer, but how old? If you could have your cognition, aesthetics, mobility that you have today or even better, how long do you want to live?

• 51:38Speaker 01

  As long as I could, as long as those things could be intact. I mean, for me, especially now, because I remember telling my wife, I'm not having, you know, I've got five kids and five grandkids. But when I was still at four kids, I was like, I'm not having a kid past 50. I'm not going to show up when I'm going to be 70. Well, now I'm going to show up and be 80 at my daughter's high school, you know, graduation. But so I got more reason, more incentive to live a long time also because my kids are young and old and grandkids, everything else between. So for me, I mean, 120 has been proven again and again as a number that most humans seem to be able, not most humans, a few humans have been able to live to. I think with the technology and the changes, what you remember the number, what was the number for the average lifespan 100 years ago, 150 years ago?

• 52:20Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, it was, it was about 40. And, and, and it's increased significantly. I remember one of the conversations we had at the Vatican, I had one of the senior rabbis was on my, my panel. And he talked about the biblical history that, you know, Methuselah and, and Moses had seven, 800 years, but then, you know, humans did some wrong things in God's eye. And he said, you should only have 120 years. I said, okay, I'll take 120 years and then I'll renegotiate after that. But, and it's, it's interesting. I mean, can you feel, I mean, I'm sure you can, the palpable speed at which this field is moving?

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you know, David's work, David Sinclair's work is some of my favorite work. And anybody who hasn't looked at his work, we have in our book together and he's become a dear friend for both of us. I think he's the cutting edge because what he's really showing us is that we can become younger as we get older, meaning that we can literally not just slow down or stop, but perhaps reverse the aging clock. That to me is the most exciting thing of all. And I think it's so much money and so much energy is being poured into this by some of the wealthiest companies and wealthiest individuals in the world, because they don't want to just have what they have now. They want to extend that life as long as they have in a quality way. And I think people just don't know about it. So one of the reasons that we wrote Life Force, and one of the reasons I was inspired to do it in the first place was, I want to get this out of here because from the time that a clinician has

• 53:44Speaker 01

  the breakthrough to the time it shows up and your local doctor, on average is 17 years. I mean, so we try to accelerate that by showing people it's here now, you can go do this right now. People just don't know. And there are tools that can change people's lives. We've got to get people educated so they know.

• 54:00Peter Diamandis?

  So I have a question for you. I had an interesting conversation with Elon about this. We were at SpaceX and we're talking about a whole slew of things. He says, so what are you up to these days? And this is about five, six years ago. I said, I'm really focusing in on longevity. I didn't call it age reversal back then, which is what the terminology is right now because we're really trying to, you know, not slow and stop aging, but reverse aging. But I said, you know, I want to add, and I've always, I've been pretty consistent, add 20, 30 healthy years and then during that time we'll reach other technologies and add another 20, 30 healthy years. And he said, I don't think we should. He said, I don't think people should live that long. I think the old guard needs to die to make room for the new guard. And I, you know, he was in his early 40s. My, my response to him was,

• 54:45Peter Diamandis?

  you'll probably change when you get older, but I am.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  I'm like the Rolling Stones saying, if I'm singing out of satisfaction when I'm 35, I want to kill myself. And now there's 75 doing it, right?

• 54:59Peter Diamandis?

  So I am curious about that because I don't buy that. I mean, I, I see young individuals, especially in the DeFi world and in the AI world, independent of, of age, coming in and disrupting industries. Do you feel like, I mean, we have people like Putin and others who, you know, we'd love to have gracefully disappear. But at the end of the day, how do you feel about that? Do you agree with him at all? Is there any context that you agree with there?

• 55:26Speaker 01

  I, I understand the context. The context is, you know, you don't want certain families, power, individuals staying in power so long and basically suffocating something moving up. But your point is well made, which is, if you really have something unique, if you have something grand in its impact, they can't stop you. I mean, you know, Hilton's been around for 115 years and Airbnb, our buddies over there, you know, have surpassed their market value by $20 billion and they don't own a single hotel room, right?

• 55:54Peter Diamandis?

  And Hilton and, you know, Western.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  Ford versus Uber, right? Same thing. So, so I understand, but I understand the nature. There is a sense of, are you messing with nature? Because there is a point. And so I personally don't know if living forever is the solution or not. I mean, I don't know if that's what people would really want. But I think extending the quality of life and the length of it so that the wisdom could happen. Cause a lot of history, and if you study the patterns of history happen, because when the old guard dies, like the World War II generation dies. Everybody's idea of war is very different. They don't know what it's really like. All these other wars we fought since then are nothing by comparison, right? Or the Civil War, right? And people are talking about a civil war right now. Why? Because the people who went through the Civil War have been dead for so long, there's no living person to tell you, are

• 56:40Speaker 01

  you insane? Let me tell you what it's like. More people died there than the other war we've had, right? So I think, I think there's great enhancing the length of time, I personally think is wonderful, but is there a natural time for a transition? I mean, you know, Ray thinks you'll download your consciousness into, you know, the computer and that's really possible, but I think life as we know it has a cycle, but I think it certainly can be lengthened. And with the same reason you got in this first place, tell people how you, what you thought about the whales, what got you thinking in this way in the first place?

• 57:12Peter Diamandis?

  So I'm in medical school, I'm running a space company, but fourth year medical school, life is intense. I see this television show on long live sea life and that species of whales, bowhead whales are living 200 years, Greenland sharks living four or 500 years. And I'm saying to myself, if they can live that long, why can't I? So, and it's either going to be an engineering problem or a software problem. And I said, we're going to solve that. And I really think it's this decade, the next decade, that we're going to have the tools to do that, you know, and it's, the thing that people don't realize is it's been a slow, steady progress, but the last decade has been this massive inflection and

• 57:55Peter Diamandis?

  the acceleration with big data, with AI, with tools like CRISPR, that we're beginning to understand, you know, to quote David Sinclair, why we age and maybe why we don't have to. And so, you know, Ray talks about something called longevity escape velocity that today, during a decade, we're adding on average two years per decade, but there's going to be a point at which we're adding, you know, a decade per decade and then more than a decade per decade. Now, interestingly, Ray's prediction for that was we'd have that in the next 12 to 13 years. I asked George Church, and I wrote about this in our, in our book, Life Force, I said, when do you think we'll hit longevity escape velocity?

• 58:37Peter Diamandis?

  And, you know, he's a conservative Harvard professor geneticist, and he said, you know,

• 58:44Peter Diamandis?

  In the next fifteen to twenty years, and that blew me away. So anybody, so the interesting thing is, if you believe you can be healthy over the next twenty years, let's margin it, twenty-five years, that means you're going to be intercepting new technologies that will extend your runway, and you're intercepting more and more.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  I mean, it's basic, if you're under the age of fifty, you're going to have the, probably have the opportunity to make those choices. But it will be interesting, though, Peter.

• 59:11Peter Diamandis?

  I'm hoping it's under the age of sixty-five for both of us, pal.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  I'm with you on that. But here's the interesting thing. Not everybody's life is so meaningful that they want to live longer.

• 59:23Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, this is the other point I want to hit on, right?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  This is the piece for me. It's like, when people keep talking about these things, it's like, it comes down to human needs, human psychology, human emotion. Do they have a compelling future? You know, anyone can deal with a tough today if they have a compelling tomorrow. But if today is not compelling, and tomorrow's not compelling, who gives a damn about whether living longer or not? And unfortunately, if you look at our society right now, in the middle of winter, psychologically, and so many people being medicated today, right? And these medications don't make you have, get out of pain, they just numb you, right? All the, I know you saw the SSRIs, the whole studies are coming out showing the whole philosophy to trying SSRIs, doesn't work. They just came out and talked about it, doesn't do anything, and yet they're still selling them. The science is that, it was meta-studies. So it's like, it's crazy to think about this. But today,

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  you got all these people that, you know, have committed suicide, you have the largest number of overdoses, a hundred thousand plus than we've ever had in the history of this country. There is a psychology about the future that is, has to shift, because being healthy is not compelling if you don't think the future is worth living for.

• 1:00:24Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I think that is one of the most important, I talk about having a longevity mindset. And, and I'm curious what your thoughts are around what that would mean. But one of them is, Actually having a bigger future than your past.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Peter Diamandis?

  It's, it's, yeah, please.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  I, I was gonna say, I think it's, what gives people energy at any age besides physical energy, the psychological, spiritual, emotional energy that drives someone to do something unique is to find something they care about more than themselves. There's only so much you'll do for yourself because it doesn't, it's not that hard to get yourself to the point where you're comfortable and you're okay and you're fed well and you're, in the world we live in today, even if you want to live off somebody else, it's possible to do that. So, in most modern countries, not everywhere, obviously, because we're having huge problems because of COVID and because of Ukraine in terms of feeding people in many parts of the world right now. That's why I'm doing this hundred billion meals challenge, not just the billion meals challenge. But if you look at this, it, we're really missing for most people, a sense of what am I here to serve beyond myself because our society? And it's no one's fault.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Social media, the science of it has made us so self-oriented and the self is never happy or fulfilled. You're happy and fulfilled when you're not thinking about yourself, when you're serving your kids, you're serving your family, or your community, or some mission, or your business, or something you're gonna live for. But as long as it's just you, you won't have the energy or desire or drive to do much else. Again, you'll only have push motivation, which is coming from pain or pleasure versus pull motivation, which is something larger that leaps you out of yourself, out of your own individual psychology and into a level of consciousness of service, which is where people are most alive.

• 1:02:03Peter Diamandis?

  You know, I always said, I had my two, my twin boys, Dax and Jet, when I was 50, they're 11 now, and I said, that's part of my longevity mindset therapy, right? And the same for you and your daughter.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:16Peter Diamandis?

  But it's, it's a drive, yeah, for, for sure.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  No question, no question.

• 1:02:19Peter Diamandis?

  You know, the power of the human mind, another amazing mutual friend, Dr. Mark Hyman, he tweeted yesterday, or the day before, he said, having a loving, connected conversation with someone will turn on genes that shut off inflammation, stopping inflammation with your thoughts. Talk about the power of the mind and a longevity mindset to, I think people can will themselves to death and will themselves to life.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Well, we know that's true. We know that from witch doctors, that, you know, somebody comes and they point the bone and the person has a heart attack and they die because the absolute certainty that this is going to cause them to live or be a certain way. But I think the longevity mindset to me is really about a life of meaning. That's what I was alluding to here. It's like, what is going to give your life the meaning? It isn't going to be happy every moment. Happiness is bullshit. Happiness comes and goes, right? But what lasts is meaning, a depth of meaning that makes it all worthwhile. It's like, you know, sometimes, you know, you and I get together, people that we love or have succeeded. Most people, when you're thinking about things, we're talking about things, if we're not talking about what we're creating for now and for the future, we think about where we are compared to where we were and you remember those tough times and they're like some of the

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  most joyous things because they provide contrast. Like, in order to have a foreground, you need a background. And I think what we really desperately need to have people get a better sense of it today is like, what is going to give my life greater meaning? What is going to make me want to get up early and stay up late and feel fully alive? To me, that's the most important thing. And relationships are the base of it all because, look, you know, it's been said a million times in corny ways, you know, and no one's on their deathbed saying, I wish I spent more time at the office. But it's just all the studies show that the longevity comes from having those meaningful, loving relationships. It's what gives you joy. And it's so sad today that so many people are turning away from the concept of family. So many young people today because they've been convinced

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  the world is going to end, you know, climate change is going to destroy us. I mean, look, if you really look at the statistics and where we are, we're not, we're not past that point. And if you look at human history, how many times in your lifetime, we're both over 60, have you seen the end of the world, the end of oil, the end of everything, right? And it's like, it's never been true. I remember CNN was talking about just two years ago, three years ago, the barrier reef is destroyed and now the barrier reef is growing more than it ever has in the last 30 years, right, in Australia. It's just like, we look at things in this little shape here and we also forget that the earth has warmed and cooled many times before, before we were here. And the world's doing fine. The real question is how will we adapt? And how do we make sure that we still create a compelling future? Because so many young people today, they don't even want to have a family because they go,

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  "What am I going to bring these kids into?" It's winter. You need to grow.

• 1:05:01Peter Diamandis?

  That was the turning point for when I wrote the book Abundance. It was a conversation in a coffee shop and a guy and gal were having a conversation about whether they should bring a child into this world. And because it was so bad, I was like, in my own mind, I was like, "What world are you seeing? This is the most extraordinary world of opportunity ever. There's nothing we can't do."

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  And people, here's the thing. People have nothing to compare it to. It's like interviewing these college students about America. I'm so embarrassed of them. "Where else have you been?" "Nowhere." Like, "They've never traveled to anybody else." "I was in the Soviet Union when it was still the Soviet Union." "I've been down in South America and some of these countries that are on the edge, when they were really on the edge." So it's like, I know what it really means to have socialism or what it really means to be in communism. They have no reference. They just have what they believe about where things are. And their belief is being colored by the environment and by social media and by the current media. And I think it's up to guys like all of us who see a better future to show people what's real, what's true, and to create some contrast for them. They have no contrast.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Right now, we are living with less violence than any time in human history. Steven Pinker did this great study. And over the last X number of centuries, it's been about 15% of people that have been directly involved with something of violence. Today, it's 0.006. But, you know, we see it today because it's right there on your phone. It's right there in your face. It's there every single moment. We have less violence. We have longer living. We have a world where we've got more people out of poverty than ever in human history, even though there's still poverty and huge challenges.

• 1:06:38Peter Diamandis?

  We have these. Everything in your hand, you know, it's crazy because we're bombarded by the same murder over and over and over again in our living room and it just hits our amygdalas and it's it's insane. You know, showing people that better future, showing the potential of that future is really going back to our first conversation on entrepreneurs, would I really want those listening to us to to to internalize and and focus on it's how do we how do we create a vision of that future and really that's a little bit of where X Prize is going. It's like this is from a first principle thinking, this is possible and energy in the

• 1:07:19Peter Diamandis?

  future, this is possible education and healthcare and we can uplift every man, woman and child.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Yes, no question, no question. And I I'd say to those people also, especially the ones that have who've built some resources. It's like, where else are you gonna go? I I got to a point, I can remember maybe 10 years ago where it's like, if I wasn't doing this for my passion, what would I be doing this for? I've outdone everything I ever dreamed of and there's no thing that I want, you know, planes, automobiles and none of that drove me anyway. Impact is what's driven me. So like, okay, well, I'm gonna reach millions more people. How do I make that game bigger? And that's when I started setting these goals. Okay, I'm gonna feed a billion people. That is a worthy goal on top of all the hundreds of millions or billion people I've had a chance to touch in other ways. Let me provide food to them. And then I remember I was in India and I saw these kids dying of waterborne diseases,

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  so easy to solve. And so now I provide water for a quarter of a million people a day in India and I got a goal to go to a million. Then, you know, I was fortunate enough to get my own plane. I was like, I'm conscious about what that means. It's like, okay, how many trees is that? That's 5,000 trees a year. So I planted 71 million trees on my goal to 100 million trees already, but not just trees, building farmland and showing people in Africa how to create these rain, these forests, these areas where they now have a new crop every month instead of once a year. How do they go from $1.25 a day to $12? It doesn't sound like much, but they're rich in their community and they're not trying to cross the desert and dying and they, when one crop doesn't work, they're still there. You know, it's like, so I go, okay, air, water, food.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Okay, how about freedom? How about all these kids right now? The slave trade is the largest it's ever been in human history. Nobody wants to talk about it, it's so ugly. It's the fastest growing crime because they get to use it over and over again. They don't have to send a new drug, they use that child over and over again. It's insane. So, okay, now we got 28,000 children, on the way to 50,000 children want to free. Well, it's bigger than the city I grew up in, that was the target. But these goals, you know, I want to, I want to create a community. Where do people are going to live? I, I worked with a 3D company, we built 100 homes in Mexico. People there are showing a lifestyle and showing all these NGOs what's possible, how fast you can build a home in a day. So, all the things that I've been doing here, you know, from the planting of the trees to the food, to helping people

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  on the health side, they give me more juice than my businesses did, and then that gave me more reasons. I mean, I donate more now today than I would have dreamed of even earning at one stage, and it gives me the reason to make the business even more successful, the companies I'm in, as well as look for businesses where I can have the highest and largest impact possible. But you gotta find the buttons that are going to get you, and you gotta discover what it is. And when you get around something, like I said earlier, something will strike you. But if you stay in the same box, doing your business the same way every day, around the same kind of people, the same kind of thinking, you might do well. But are you going to be fulfilled? Are you going to be driven? Are you going to be excited? Are you going to have a sense of meaning? You need to find something big enough and bold enough, as you have done, Peter, and I have done, and the people we love have

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  done, that really will get you to maximize who you are. Because in the end, the only that we get to keep is what we've given.

• 1:10:20Peter Diamandis?

  This is the juice I wanted for people to hear, right? Because it really is inspiring them to pursue that life of meaning, to, to make a bigger impact on the planet, to use whatever skills or treasures or tools they have to go and do that. Because you have a choice where you invest your time. All of us have today, you know, the same 24 hours in a day, seven days in a week, how many, how many days in our lifetime, it's how we spend that time, uh, that we can choose and make a difference in. And, and, you know, We have the ability more than ever before to impact the world's biggest problems, uplift individuals, whether you're doing it directly or you're doing it by the company you choose to work for or where you're doing it, your money.

• 1:11:02Peter Diamandis?

  And I think that sense of impact, there's nothing more important. Now, the question is, what percentage of people are living that life of meaning and impact, you think?

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Without guessing a number and making it up, a very small percentage, unfortunately, right? But I think it's a larger number at different stages. I think right now, there are so many people that have gotten to learn helplessness, you know, where after a while, when you teach, you know, you take that little elephant, you know the metaphor, this little baby elephant, and they tie rope around it, and they drive it in the ground, and it tugs and it can't pull. Now, it's a big elephant, it could take the whole damn tent down, it doesn't even try. I think the COVID experience has conditioned a lot of people to accept a life far less than what they desire or deserve. But I also know there are other people, they're going to lead the way and show what's possible. And that's how life changes. You know, how do we go from no one ever running a four-minute mile to Roger Bannister doing it, and 46 days later, another guy does it? And now, there's over 200 people have done it.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Because when somebody shows what's possible, that's what drives the species to find the people that are hungry enough to say, if that's possible for them, I can do it too, or I can do even more. And I think that's the secret to human progress. And by the way, if people are listening, if we were to summarize the whole thing, in the end, what do you want to have? You want to have a meaningful life, you want a life that feels really joyful, happy. Where does happiness come from? Progress. Progress equals happiness. I don't give a shit where you are, if you're not where you want to be physically, and you just start working out, and you lose a few pounds, and you start feeling better, you're going to feel alive. If your relationship isn't where it was, you attack it, you're going to feel more alive. If you're doing around your finances, whatever we do, progress is everything. And think about it, when people achieve their goal, whatever the goal is, no matter how

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  big it is, they feel great for how long? Six months, a year, five years? I don't think so. Most people, somewhere between six hours and six weeks, and then they're on to the next thing. And the reason is because we're made to keep growing. If we don't grow, we don't feel alive. And that's what progress is. When you grow, you have something to give. When you have something to give, your life becomes meaningful.

• 1:13:02Peter Diamandis?

  Along that line, Tony, gratitude mindset, you know, I think for entrepreneurs in particular, having a gratitude mindset is one of the things that allows them to play at the level they play consistently because they're going to be hitting the floor a lot of times.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  I think you need a daily practice. Firstly, I gotta see why, because it can sound so positive thinky. But if you really, if you look at all the studies, what are the two emotions that destroy most people's lives? Their businesses, their relationships, their happiness? You know, what is it? It's anger and it's fear. And anger and fear have an antidote, and the antidote is really simple. It's called gratitude. When you're, you can't be grateful and angry simultaneously. That's the beauty. You can't be fearful and grateful simultaneously. So I think people need a daily practice, and I do too. And there are all kinds of ones. Mine, I call it priming. And in essence, what I do every single morning, the first thing I do, I go do my physical things, and my cold water, my work, my workout exercise. And then I sit down and I do 10 minutes. And I do it as 10 minutes because if, you know, if I said 20, you might say you don't

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  have time. But if you don't have 10 minutes, if you don't have 10 minutes for your life, you don't have a wife, right? So it's like, most people can do 10 minutes. And the 10, and a lot of times it goes more than that because it feels good. But what I do is I focus on this step. I first make a radical change in your body to get yourself out of the place you're in. I'll do like breath of fire, 30 of those breaths in through the nose, out through the nose explosively, right? And you do that over and over, like I do three sets of 30. Now my body's changed, I just do three things. Three minutes on what I'm grateful for, a minute each on three specific memories. Something in my life that's happening today or has happened, and I see it, feel it, and I step in like I'm there, like, like, not remembering being on a roller coaster over there, like remembering going over the front as you're dropping down, you know, be in the experience. That's what makes it associated and connected. It changes your biochemistry.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  And when you stack three of them, it'll actually change your heart and brain rhythms. It's been proven by A variety of studies, right? You'll literally see them working together. You get in this one, this kind of state. And then I do just three minutes of what would be like a prayer or a blessing for the best of me to be used that day. And then sending that blessing from my heart into all those I love, starting with my children, my family, my friends, my coworkers, all the way out to people I'm going to serve. And while that may sound airy fairy, there's been plenty of research, Joan, that when you go into a state of compassion or love for others, including strangers, it rewires your brain in a different way. And then the last three minutes, I do what I call three to thrive. I spend a minute each and think of something I really want to achieve, but I don't think about wanting to achieve it. I see it as done, complete and celebratory in my body like it's actually happened,

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  convincing my brain that it's already there. And I'm done. And in 10 minutes, I have primed my brain for an extraordinary day. If you don't prime it, it's going to be primed by the news. It's going to be primed by what somebody tells you. It's going to be primed by the first challenge put in front of you. So I think using gratitude as a daily practice is really critical. If people want to, they can go to tonyrobbins.com/priming. It's free. There's a video that'll guide you through it if you want to do it, or you can just do your own version of it.

• 1:16:00Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and I've done it a dozen times at all of your events, which I commend to everybody. They're extraordinary, especially Date with Destiny, which has changed my life decade after decade.

• 1:16:10Peter Diamandis?

  Buddy, I want to turn to a final conversation around, around moonshots. And I define a moonshot as going 10 times bigger compared to when the rest of the world is going 10% bigger. And you are an individual who has taken a number of moonshots over and over and over again. Obviously, what you're doing in feeding, what's the target now? 100 billion?

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  100 billion, because I'm counting on the billion right now. Yeah, 100 billion.

• 1:16:35Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, it's not 10x, it's 100x. The psychology of allowing yourself to let go of the past, of what is rationally doable.

• 1:16:46Peter Diamandis?

  And going for something insane is super hard for people to do, right? And it's, you know, at the end of the day, the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea. And, and most of us don't embrace crazy ideas. Institutions don't embrace crazy ideas. Corporations, governments and so forth. It's really that individual who's got this vision of what YouTube or Airbnb or Uber or SpaceX or Tesla, whatever these companies, they're crazy ideas until they're made to happen. And, and we have a large number of entrepreneurs going after moon shots.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  I'd like to tell you what I think gets in the way. I call it the tyranny of, the tyranny of how. You gotta avoid the tyranny of how. Uh, when Martin Luther King or John F. Kennedy, use either example, John F. Kennedy goes out and says in front of the American people, "We are going to put a man on the moon and return the earth safely in this decade." And the people at NASA are like, "What the F? There's no way." So what did he do? He knew what he would needed to do as the leader of this country and he knew why. The why was the Russians were beating us in space. Nuclear power was happening and it was concerned about their ability to destroy us. This was not like, "I think we should do this." It's like, "We have to surpass them in our technology to protect this nation and continue to lead." And so when he put those, you know, irons in the fire, everybody said it couldn't be done, but he did.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  When Martin Luther King got up and said, "I have a dream," and he shared that dream, he didn't have any clue how. In fact, the how wasn't clear. And while we're still improving that area, you know, now we've had President of the United States for eight years was African American. That was unheard of and thought of. It couldn't have happened without his dream first. So it's like, what I tell people is when you set a goal and it's really big and it, what happens immediately, your brain goes like, "I'm gonna do this." And then your brain goes, "Who are you kidding?" Cause it goes into the how. "I don't know how to do this. I've never done it before." And whenever you've not done something before, you have no certainty. When you have no certainty, that produces uncertainty, which leads to fear. The fear, "I'm not enough." Fear, "I won't pull it off." Fear, "I'm gonna fail." And fear is the only enemy here. So how do you deal with that?

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  You first get so strong on the what and why. What is it I really want? And why do I want it with enough reasons? I always tell people reasons come first, answers come second. If you get strong enough reasons why to do something, you know exactly what you want. And the target is exciting enough, you're gonna go there. So the guys that are at B and B did not have a vision for where they were when they started. You know, they were just trying to pay their bills. That's, that's what I want to get people to understand. They didn't have enough money, so they put mattresses on the ground. And there was a, a, a conference in town, they were trying to sell it. You know, it looked like a failure of a business for the first five years. But you know, here we are 10, 12 years later, and it's unbelievable. So when I first started setting some goals, I can remember I was, sometimes it's just putting the line in the sand.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  I was in a, um, at a grade school in Houston, Texas, 30 years ago, I was 30 years old. And I'll never forget, they, they asked me to come and speak to these kids to inspire them. And then they put on this little mini, you know, program for me for each grade about how they'd applied my technology for the first grade or second grade, third grade. So it was, it was moving. At the end, I got up and I said, they told me to come here to motivate you. And I'm not a motivator anyway. So I'm more a strategist. But I said, you motivated me. And I was like, I'll tell you what, I don't want this to end. You six graders, you're going off, you only have one year. But the rest of you have got many years of this ahead of you. I said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna arrange to pay for all of your college educations as long as you do a couple of things. I did this on the spot. I just had remembered seeing this guy in, where was it?

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  In, in Harlem, who decided to pay for the college educations of these kids. But I said, you know, but I don't have a college education. But I think it's invaluable for you to have the experience of it. But in order to get it, there's a couple of standards. You have to keep a B average and I'll help you get mentoring. And you gotta give me 25 hours of community service. Now, these were kids from the lowest of low incomes, single families, mostly African American, Hispanic. And I remember the, the people, the kids didn't, they cheered, but they didn't know what the hell it was. The school system thought I was proselytizing. I was some, you know, some cult that was doing it. He wasn't doing it. I wrote, I signed contracts for this. This was an amount of money back then that was beyond what I thought I knew how to do.

• 1:20:54Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  I knew what and why, and I did it. And I coached those kids. They're called my Champions of Excellence. And, you know, guess what?

• 1:21:00Peter Diamandis?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Lawyers and teachers and, I mean, they've got kids and children. This is, you know, it's been going on for thirty years now. They're at a different stage of life. But same thing with feeding. It's like, okay, I started with two families, then four, then eight. They got to a million. Then when I came up with this idea, I remember it's like, okay, I found out how many people I fed in my lifetime was forty-two million. Like, what if I fed fifty million people over the next five years? It took me a whole lifetime. It's like, what if I met fifty million people in a year? Holy shit, what if I met a hundred million people in a year? What if I did a hundred million meals for ten straight years? Fed a billion meals. The level of excitement of that, the energy of that, the focus of that, and the why, the impact, the lives, the people, got so big, I didn't even know how. I was just like, I'm gonna do this. Then I started to figure out the how, what's the numbers and so forth.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  But I let the other be so large before the how showed up. If you bring how into the early stage of the conversation, it will kill your dream, it'll kill your goal, because you don't know how in the beginning. How will be revealed if you will put your ass on the line and have strong enough reasons, the how will be revealed. And it revealed often in multiple steps. So now I'm closing in on my nine-hundred-and-forty-five million meals. And I'm like, whenever you have a goal, as you're approaching the end, don't wait to the end before you set the next one. Because it's a game to make you keep growing. It's like, it's the purpose of goal is not to get the goal. The purpose is what it makes of you as a human being.

• 1:22:18Peter Diamandis?

  I love, I love that. There's a great, there's a great Joseph Campbell quote that, that hits it. It goes, "A bit of advice given to a young Native American at the time of his initiation. As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm jump. It is not as wide as you think."

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  That's cool. I really love that. And I think it's true. But you gotta put yourself on the line. You gotta give up the how initially. Then you put your head into the how once the what and why is so compelling. And you bring some other people on, on with you who also now see that vision. And that's how you build something that matters. And that's, that's what you've done your whole life, Peter. You're a perfect example of that. Truthful.

• 1:22:54Peter Diamandis?

  Buddy, thank you. Thank you, brother. I love you too. You know, most, many people may not know that you, in your theme of helping to feed the world, you co-funded one of our X prizes, Feeding the Next Billion, along with the royal family out of Abu Dhabi. And the goal there is reinventing how we produce food, right? It's instead of, you know, we have one-third of the non-Iceland mass of the planet that is used for livestock. I mean, billions of pigs, chicken, fish, you know, it's insane. And as we're raising the level of standards of living for the world, we can't afford to produce more high-quality protein that way.

• 1:23:35Peter Diamandis?

  So we've asked teams to create, in this case, chicken and fish from stem-cell-grown meats or vegetable equivalents, and incredible response there. I have a question. And that prize, hopefully, we'll see the semifinals very shortly and the finals within the next year. And we'll reinvent the food delivery program. So food can be delivered in downtown Nairobi, or Detroit, or Chicago, where the case might be, one of the food miles which costs a significant percentage of the cost of food. What other place in the world, or challenge, if you were going to,

• 1:24:15Peter Diamandis?

  if I was going to say, Tony, I've got full funding, an entire prize, ready to go for whatever topic you want. What's another place that you would love to see entrepreneurs, innovators, scientists around the world focus on solving? What's another grand challenge out there?

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  To me, I think we helped fund one of those, and we made great progress on it. But I want to see it at a different level, and that's education. Because when it comes down to it, if we can provide the food and the water and the basic safety and so forth, then it really comes to people being able to create the future themselves. And I think in order to do that, in the world that we're in right now, the internet is worthless if you can't read and write and do basic arithmetic. And as you know, we're still in a world where, you know, 250 million adults are illiterate. I mean, we're, you know, a quarter of a billion. And we're going to bring on, what, another couple billion, three billion people on the internet soon? So I know we've done that initial prize, and we've got some technology in that area. But I'd love to see that also tied with something that ties to emotional...

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Uh, fitness, not so much emotional, uh, intelligence. You know, emotional intelligence, intelligence is a, is a capability, right? You know, like you, you can be a smart person and not act very smart, right? We've seen that. But you know, when I, when I think about fitness, I think it's a state of readiness. Like, you know, you can know what to do and not do what you know. You gotta bring it up. You gotta make it active in your nervous system. And I, you know, one of the reasons I did the project I did with Stanford where they did that study on us, which was produced in the Journal of Psychiatry, is that, you know, right now, we have an epidemic of depression in the world. I mean, it's, it's insane how bad it is and how much we are dependent upon these drugs and that people self-medicate in so many ways today, whether it's using

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Prozac or Zoloft or it's, you know, cocaine or whatever it is that they take, meth or cigarettes or some distraction. I think we're living in a world where we've been trained to do that. And the studies show how terrible it is. I mean, the guys from Stanford showed me the meta-studies show that only 40% of the people that take these drugs and go through therapy get better at all. And the average improvement is 50%, which means they're half as depressed as they were. Now, some people get totally well, but it's a small percentage. Yeah, sure. And so there was a study done about three years ago, Johns Hopkins, where they used, you know, psilocybin as an active psych- psychodrug, psychographic drug, and they give them cognitive therapy for a month, and they got results they'd never seen. 53% of the people 30 days later were not depressed. Well, they decided to use that same study,

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  duplicate it with the same c- control group, and do my date with destiny, because they had two people from Stanford that were clinically depressed and came back and they weren't. And they said, we don't have any data on this. So they did the study, and it was so profound, they didn't believe it. And so to cover themselves, they sent the information out to different organizations, double-blind. 30 days later, 100% of the people, this is no exaggerations in the Journal of Psychiatry, double-blind studies, 100% of the people had no depression symptoms, 19% had suicidal ideation before they came in, none had suicidal ideation after just six days. All we did... In those six days, is train people to develop a way of looking at life, a philosophy of life, a set of strategies, a set of beliefs and values that would allow them to deal with the issues that are around them.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  It's kind of like, you wouldn't take a standard car on, you know, a desert 1,000, you're going a thousand miles in the desert, or one of those ones to Saudi Arabia where they're out in the desert, you know, you have to have a special piping, special tires. We need to re-engineer our psychology for the modern world, where change happens at a whole different level. So I'd love to see that education not just be how to learn, but also how to enjoy a life that is meaningful, which includes contribution at its base, and a way to find the good and what's going on, because what's wrong is always available, it always has been, it always will be.

• 1:28:03Peter Diamandis?

  And it's getting easier, and it's getting easier to be available. There are two things here. One is, you know, when you and I went to elementary school, whatever it was, 50 years ago, to today, very little has changed. It really is pathetic that so little has changed in that, and your daughter's going to be getting ready to go into that cycle in the decade ahead. And I think about this with my two 11-year-olds, that I just find what they're teaching and how they're teaching, and they go to the best school here in Santa Monica, as far as I'm concerned, is still, it's, it is a travesty that we've not reinvented the educational process, right?

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  I agree 100%, 100%. And I think there are people working on it, but it's like, why aren't we using the best teachers? You know, I know you know there's a couple of models like this already being tested. Use the best possible teachers, and then the time that they're doing at school is where they're being helped, that's where their homework is. The lesson could be at home, and they're watching and taking notes and doing those things. Now, not now yet, because we still don't have full enough internet and so forth, but the direction is, why would I take average teachers or weak teachers to teach me when I can get the very best on earth to teach my son or daughter? And, you know, in my daughter's case, and, you know, I'm fortunate enough to have done well enough in life and business, helping out other people that have got the economics, saying, no, she'll, she will be homeschooled. And she'll have the best teachers on earth because they're available.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  And I think that's the direction things are going. And also, the cost is absurd. The government, especially this, not being political, but to, to, to give a trillion dollars away to a small number of people that are professionals. And when all the people that didn't go to school because they couldn't get the money or have it. You know, to have a plumber being paid for or taxi driver being paid for, someone who's getting an advanced degree or degree that doesn't mean squat. For, and all, mention all the people like you and I, who went to school and paid for the school and did it on their own. I mean, this is absurd, but that's why we have the problem we do because they know it's been guaranteed by the government. I mean, when a company, when a country, you know, you're, one of your beautiful schools has a fifty-three billion dollar. Basically annuity, they're really just schools.

• 1:30:16Peter Diamandis?

  Insane.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  There's tools with, with, with, with private equity attached to it. You know, that's what they are.

• 1:30:21Peter Diamandis?

  No, I know. But, but this is when I go back to the issue of billionaires giving away their money. It's like, really, does Harvard need another billion dollars? I mean, honestly, do they really need that extra billion dollars?

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  Or Stanford, they're all great schools, but the truth is they are not, they're not putting students out there that are being productive in the world. Let them reimburse these students instead of the plumber or the electrician.

• 1:30:41Peter Diamandis?

  So you hit a couple of points I want to, I want to come back to. The point you made about, uh, is called the flipped classroom, right? We have the Khan Academy where you, at home at night, you learn about trigonometry or about history. And then in school, it's a conversation and doing the work with a teacher there. And it really is, and we're seeing open classrooms around the world from the top universities. And the other side, we talked about the notion that human level AI is coming, right? The, the notion of how do we enable AI to be the best educator? And by the way, the cost of that is effectively going to be zero, just like Google is, right? It's the cost of electricity. Now, you and I have talked about creating AI versions of ourselves.

• 1:31:25Peter Diamandis?

  And you've invested in a couple of platforms looking at that. And I, we should catch up because I've got a new company I want to share with you. That's going to digitize me and, and should do the same for you. But the idea of having.

• 1:31:38Peter Diamandis?

  The knowledge that you've, you know, taking what you did with Date with Destiny. And how many people are typically in Date with Destiny with you?

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Ten thousand.

• 1:31:49Peter Diamandis?

  Ten thousand.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  And now we do it, we do it digitally now. So we just do five thousand. Now people can participate from their homes around the world. So we doubled.

• 1:31:56Peter Diamandis?

  And, and people get a huge amount by just being in the conversation and doing the work. And I commend it to anybody. You have to go through this. It is a, a life-changing experience on so many fundamental levels. Um, you know, it's, it's interesting. I, I, I've thought about, you know, how much I wish I had done it when I was 20, um, let alone 30 or 40. But, you know, if you're 50 or 60 or 70, when's the best time to do it? Tomorrow, you know, in this next cycle. Um, but the ability to digitize yourself and the best, uh, leaders, educators, coaches, therapists, whatever it might be on the planet, and making it available to an individual, uh, has the potential. I mean, for, when

• 1:32:41Peter Diamandis?

  we talk about mental illness and people who need help, um, it's this technology that I think has the biggest potential impact.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  I agree a hundred percent. I've made several investments in it. I'm right now in negotiation with other companies. I'd love to hear the one you're talking about. But, uh, the ability to really true, true AI, have true interactionivity. And it's not just me. I mean, I can do that for individuals, adults. But instead of me working with 80,000, 100,000, a million people as a group, being able to individually 24 hours a day, 365, be there for them, and screw me, have you, have Ray Dalio, have all the different great leaders in the world be the teachers for people. That's where education's going to go. And it's going to drop the price to the floor. We're still going to want to have the experience of being together in some locations and doing things together. But I, I think it's going to be a mix of these things. And I think it's going to change things. Right now, it's the worst investment you can make is for most people. I mean,

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  there's, for some people, it's great. Depends on what you've educated in, obviously, and what the quality of education.

• 1:33:39Peter Diamandis?

  Take, take the, take the time, let alone the money you would have spent and go and do an internship with somebody. Go and be an apprentice, you know? I have a number of, of people who are my strike force members who intern with me. And they're in everything. In every conversation, you know a number of them. And it's like, there's no, it's. It's ridiculous, the current college education. And we have to differentiate between learning and socialization.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Exactly. I'm saying the socialization is still going to want to do and are going to share experiences and so forth. But I just think it can be done so much more efficiently, and this is not sustainable. And, you know, we can't just keep, quote, you're not forgiving a trillion dollars or half a trillion dollars. You're making other people pay for it. I mean, how can you possibly justify that except to try to get votes? I mean, it's a political move. It's not a move that's based on what's right for society. And those things are, they're piling up. It's why we have the economic challenges we have. We're a little bit like Rome right now. You know, you study Rome, and Rome just got to a point where they couldn't sustain financially what they built. We're getting close to that if we don't turn things around.

• 1:34:42Peter Diamandis?

  And anyone who's listening, who is, has energy around some of these challenges, whether it's in health or education, consider that's where, you know, there are incredible businesses to be built. We're going to reinvent the entire education system and healthcare system is going to be disrupted. Those are the two biggest systems. Finances, there are two, government not far behind, that are going to collapse and be reinvented. And so the question is, do you have a vision of what that would look like? How you can uplift and help people? We're going to demonetize, democratize, dematerialize schools. It's going to be in AI. It's going to be in the metaverse. It's going to be personalized, where I get the education the way I want the education. Do I want it visually, auditorily, experientially? It's going to be meet my needs.

• 1:35:25Peter Diamandis?

  You know, it's going to be a classroom of one where the AI knows whether I learned anything or I didn't. It hit me or did it miss me? Instead of a classroom where half are bored and half are lost.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  But in the meantime, while you're waiting for that beautiful future that's being built, make sure you take control of your kid's education right now. Make sure you don't just shift off to somebody else. There's a few things in life that you want coaching from others on, but you need to make the final decision. If it comes down to how your children are going to be raised or their education, if it's coming down to your health, if it's coming down to your finances, or what you're going to believe spiritually, these are areas that it's good to get coaching, but you have to decide, because if someone else is sincere, but they're sincerely wrong, it's going to destroy your life. Whether it be health, or whether it be your relationships, or whether it be your children. So, there's plenty of great tools available right now. And because, you know, I'm now with a 17-month-old, right? My daughter, it's like, I'm immersing myself in all these different forms of education.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  The things that are appropriate for her now, and the things that are coming, they're available. So, we don't have to wait for this beautiful, compelling future, and we can all participate in creating it as well. But I'd say, don't stop right now just because you're busy. Make sure you get those things in that matter most to those you love most.

• 1:36:37Peter Diamandis?

  Brother, thank you for spending Labor Day with me.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Seems totally appropriate.

• 1:36:43Peter Diamandis?

  Give my love to Sage and the family. And thank you for all that you do.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:36:49Peter Diamandis?

  I don't think people realize the extraordinary scope with which you bring meaning to not just your life, but so many people around the planet. It's a pleasure to call you a brother and a friend.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  Thank you, Peter. I always love our time together. Give your little boys a big hug, your lady too, and I'll see you soon, brother.

• 1:37:07Peter Diamandis?

  Take care.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Bye-bye.

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