#2356 - Mike Vecchione

Mike Vecchione is a comedian and actor. His new comedy special, "Low Income White," is now streaming on YouTube. https://youtu.be/IvXAipyxI-k?si=AtQumetx43Ly_UyMwww.mikevecchione.com Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to ⁠https://rocketmoney.com/JRE or scan the QR code today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Feeling better now?

• 0:13Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Does it feel a little better?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  It does feel better, yeah.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  A little bit? Yeah. It's just a consistent thing, you have to do it every day. We're talking about decompressing the back, ladies and gentlemen.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Lower back pain.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Another thing you can do without a machine is just bend your knees, just bend slightly, grab your arms like this, and just like go forward and relax your back and it'll pop your back that way too.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Cause I know how to pop a upper back. That's where you have...

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, when you get someone to grab you?

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, the person's grab you and then hold you and then you can hear it crack. I don't know how, you know, I don't know how good it is.

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Kind of nonsense.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Right. But the lower back is, when I played football, I played contact football and we used to go to physicals. You had to get a physical and it was just a gigantic room and you'd go from doctor to doctor so everybody could do it at one time. And I remember I laid down and the doctor grabbed my leg and he was trying to get range of motion and he got it like three quarters of the way up and it stopped and he said to me, "You're gonna have lower back pain when you're older." And that's exactly what happened.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  You can avoid it?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  He predicted it.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of ways to avoid it. You know, people just accept it, but what you're telling me right there with not being able to get your leg up, that's a hamstring issue. So, one thing, hamstrings and quads and glutes, all the tightness in those areas will absolutely affect your back. Because anytime you have restricted range of motion and you're really tight, everything else is tight too.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  I say everything is like kinda pulled down and you have to figure out a way to lengthen that shit out and there's a lot of different stretches that you could do, but you definitely should be doing them. Nobody likes to stretch, it sucks, everybody hates it.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Sucks.

• 1:55Joe Rogan?

  But if you don't do it, you're gonna go to a doctor and they're gonna wanna cut you open.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  And don't do that because there's other ways around that. If you're listening to this and you got a bulging disc in your back, there's ways around it, folks. There's decompression, there's stem cells, there's a thing that I did a long time ago in California called, oh my god, what is it called? What is that shit called that Peyton Manning did and? Regenecine? Regenecine, thank you. It escaped my mind. It's early. Regenecine is where they, it's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's a more sophisticated version of it. They first started, pioneered it in Germany. You used to have to go to Germany to get it.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  But now you get it in America. But, uh...

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Slap over in Turkey for the hair and then hit Germany for your lower back?

• 2:34Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do it. It's in America now. Is it, what is the name of the place? Life, life cycle medicine in Santa Monica? What is the name of the place? Why am I not remembering? My brain has way too much extra information and my heart drop is so full. Lifespan. Lifespan. Lifespan Medicine in Santa Monica is where I had it done. It was amazing. My, my neck was fucked up for like almost a year. And I was going to chiropractors who were all goofy. They're all, it's all nonsense. And then I finally went to this guy, Dr. Ben Ruhi there, and he said, you have a bulging disc in your neck. We got an MRI. It's like, this is what we could do. Spinal decompression and we'll use regenecine. It's a very potent anti-inflammatory. It'll relax all the muscles around that area.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, slowly it'll go back. And it went back.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  But you had to go in for several treatments, though?

• 3:26Joe Rogan?

  The regenecine, no. Uh, I think it was one treatment.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, that's great.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  I did go back again to get another treatment, but that's just because I do jujitsu. And jujitsu is you're just always getting your neck ranked on. I, I went back to get like, um, mid-back. I think I did one more on my neck too, but it was, I might not have. But it was more like, uh, maintenance than anything. The, the big issue had been resolved. And then I started strengthening, because I never really did anything to strengthen my lower back, my neck, any of those things while I was training jujitsu in the beginning. I, I just worked out, normal stuff. I lifted weights.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Right. But doesn't deadlifting, and I don't know if you did these things, but deadlifting and squatting, without, I, I squat lightweight without a belt, doesn't that automatically strengthen your lower back? I thought it automatically kinda did.

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, it does a little bit, but it depends on...

• 4:17Speaker 01

  But not the focused exercises that we were just doing.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. Those are just lower back. Squats are really for your legs. But it does your lower back, but also it gets compressed because you're carrying weight in your shoulders. But I do belt squats, which I really like. So what belt squats are, it's a different machine. There's another one out there too that was created by Louis Simmons from West Side Barbell. And it's a strap that goes around you and it goes to a cable that goes in between your legs. And the weight is pulling down from your hips.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:44Joe Rogan?

  So it's not on your shoulders compressing your spine, which is great if you have a back issue.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  So you can squat a lot of weight, but all of it is like resting on your hips.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Wow, that's awesome. I can definitely feel the difference in my strength when I squat and when I don't. Like, I'm a guy who needs to lift weights. I was, I wrestled with guys and played football with guys who like were naturally just shredded and did not need. It was annoying to them to lift weights. Not that it didn't benefit them, but they were just very muscle bound and they kinda didn't need it. I need to lift weights.

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody needs it if you're competing against elite guys.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, but I mean.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  To a certain level, they're doing it and, you know, you have great genetics and they have great genetics. And they're doing strength and conditioning and you're not.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna win.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  Or at least they're gonna have at least some kind of an advantage.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  But I tell everybody, like, my age, I'm 52. It's like, do a circuit, do a 40-minute weight circuit, do three sets of, just go, just, you gotta do it. It, cause I think it affects your, I'm not an expert on this or anything, but I like, I think it affects your testosterone. I can feel.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it definitely does.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  I can feel it.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely. Lifting weights definitely affects your testosterone. Here's another way to boost your testosterone, cold plunge before you lift weights. That's a big one. Or if you don't have that, cold shower in the winter.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  It's great. You do that before you lift weights, before any kind of training, actually. You know, cause there's been some negative press lately on cold plunges and hypertrophy. But it's all about doing it right after lifting weights, which is, you're never supposed to do that anyway. You're not supposed to, the whole idea about lifting weights is you're breaking your tissue down. The inflammation helps you.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  As your body heals. And then it gets stronger. And you don't wanna like kill the inflammation right after you work out.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  And the cold is killing the inflammation, right?

• 6:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  So I do that, I do that, I, I, I, we just moved to a new building, gym in the building.

• 6:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  And that's great, yeah, we just, we just bought a condo in New York, right in time for socialism.

• 6:41Joe Rogan?

  Nice, right in time for the fucking communist takeover, good job.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Time for all of us to have to share.

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna have to share, you're gonna have to have immigrants move into your apartment.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I mean, I just did, I just, twenty years living with roommates, and I just finally got, got married and bought a place.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  This is the first time you've had your own place?

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Well, no, no, not the first time I had my own place, we were renting, we rented for four years. But this is the first time I've bought something.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  So I bought property in New York.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's a good idea or not, buying things, I go back and forth on that.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  I just was told diversify.

• 7:16Joe Rogan?

  Problems and.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:18Joe Rogan?

  Depends on where you are, New York City to me seems like a fucking time bomb. It's like, there's a whole bunch of crazy people with a bunch of wacky ideas.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

  And they're getting voted in.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, good luck with all that, and your options are them or the guy from fucking Guardian Angels.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Curtis Leewa.

• 7:36Joe Rogan?

  The guy with the fucking beret.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  What if he comes into office and he goes, everybody wears berets now.

• 7:42Joe Rogan?

  Listen.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  It's a beret city now.

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  The beret, the things he's saying make sense. Like, a lot of the stuff he says makes sense, if he didn't have the beret, I'd be like, maybe I'll take it a little more seriously.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:53Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 7:53Speaker 01

  What are you gonna do, paint?

• 7:57Joe Rogan?

  Where's your cigarette holder?

• 7:58Speaker 01

  No, I love it, yeah, I love the Guardian Angels because they don't have weapons, right? Isn't that their whole thing? I, I, I came after that whole initiative, but I do like the idea, I do like the idea of someone out there to protect the public other than cops.

• 8:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there he is, he's been doing this forever. I remember in, I guess it was the nineties, I was in New York City, and I was in traffic with my girlfriend at the time. She was sitting next to me and we're looking at this Guardian Angel guy, I go, why do you have to wear the hat? Like, what is with the hat? Like, why do they make them wear that fucking hat? And her and I are just laughing, and the guy looks at me and goes, fuck you. Like, with a real angry face, like, hey, that's not serving and protecting, sir. If you don't think that hat is funny, the fuck you, like, what if I say no fuck you and I get out and I wanna fight?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

  Come on, this is so stupid, you're not, you're not helping, this is not good.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  I would hate to lose to a guy with that hat.

• 8:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably you're not going to. I would imagine anybody that really knows how to fight is not gonna put that fucking hat on. You're gonna be like, what am I doing?

• 8:56Speaker 01

  But those guys like, I think that what they did is if there was a disturbance or something, or somebody was acting nuts on the subway, they would just surround, surround the person.

• 9:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:07Joe Rogan?

  As long as the guy doesn't have a gun.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:09Joe Rogan?

  Or a fucking samurai sword or whatever.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Um, wasn't- Or a tiger in his apartment.

• 9:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a bunch of-

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that was, that was a big thing for a while. Guys having just wild, wildlife in their apartment.

• 9:20Joe Rogan?

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• 11:52Joe Rogan?

  Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month with promo code ROGEN. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Wasn't there a thing with Curtis Lee where like, there was like a fake crime? And he was, he was like saving someone, but it wasn't real? Didn't something like that happen like back in the day? I don't remember that one. I remember, um, was it? Jamie's gonna look it up. Okay. There was something like that. I remember, um... Maybe it was an exaggeration or something? John Gotti Jr. was brought to trial for trying to kill him. Oh, boy. Yeah, for saying stuff about his dad. Oh, Jesus. Oh, boy. He got, I think it was just a hung jury five times

• 12:36Joe Rogan?

  and he never got convicted of it. But, yeah, that was a, that was a thing. I remember that. Yeah, and we tried to shoot him in a cab. Whoa. Yeah, cabs are bad enough. That was John Gotti Jr. Interesting. You know, John Gotti III is an MMA fighter. Yeah. He's fucking good, dude. He's good, yeah. He's good. Yeah. Yeah, he's real good. He fought Floyd Mayweather. I saw that. It was crazy. I think they fought twice. Admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity. Okay, so in 1992, Lee would admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity. He also admitted to having falsely, claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had kidnapped him. So he explained at the time-

• 13:20Speaker 01

  That's gotta be some jail time, right?

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  Should be, right? I mean, if you're saying off-duty transit police officers, so you're accusing police officers of a crime. So what you're doing is not just lying, but you're also putting the police officers in jeopardy because you're falsely claiming that these guys are outlaws. He claimed that the time stunts were intended to underscore the dangers of the subways. Like, who doesn't know about the dangers of the subways?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, just let the natural stuff play out for what it is.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  I've only literally ridden the subway three times in my fucking life. Keep that up, Jamie. And I'm very aware of the dangers of the fucking subways. "When the guardian angels first became trolling streets and subways, New York City was experiencing some of the highest crime rates. I feel the incidents we staged led to some improvements," he said. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Jesse Smollett?

• 14:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  It's before Jesse.

• 14:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a Jesse Smollett.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  BJ, before Jesse.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  Cubs, goddamn.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  That guy stuck to his story. Even the guys who beat up the person, even when they flipped. Even after they flipped, he stuck to his story. Is that an actor or is that an actor?

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he showed up at the hotel-

• 14:25Speaker 01

  I kinda like that.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  And had the noose still around his neck.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what happens when you let actors write the scripts.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:33Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, you ever heard when she was on trial with DEP? Like, kinda similar.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, when you let the actors write the script, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  What happened now?

• 14:42Joe Rogan?

  Come on. What is this? Netflix Sets Jesse Smollett Documentary With New Evidence. Alleged Hate Crime Hoax Might Be A True Story.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  He never backtracked on it.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  Why? Who's funding this?

• 14:56Speaker 03

  I just Googled his name, and there's like the last two days, there's stories about this doc- It could just be to promote the documentary.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  Bro, whoever his PR team is. Congratulations, you guys rule.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  It should be at least a documentary.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What do you got there, little tiny cigars?

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, little tiny ones.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  You got a big one, too.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  You're mixing it up.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  I'm mixing it up.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  You're not sure what you want?

• 15:14Speaker 01

  No, this is before I go on. Usually, I just don't wanna, I don't wanna take the commitment to this.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I feel you. Give me one of them little ones. I like those little ones. Ron White uses those. Thank you.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  They're fantastic. Monte Cristo's.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  They're good because like, if you don't wanna commit to a full cigar, like, right before we go on stage, you can- But Ron White inhales these bitches.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Does he really?

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Like an animal.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  You're gonna tell me it cures his lower back?

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, he plays golf, so he must have a good lower back. You know?

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's swing.

• 15:45Joe Rogan?

  By the way, speaking of which, I watched Happy Gilmore 2 last night. It's fucking hilarious.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  I like it too. I just watched it.

• 15:50Joe Rogan?

  I love Adam Sandler. I love those movies. Cause you know exactly what you're gonna get. They're always fun. Like, critics hate them, but that just, it's more information that you get that critics suck.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  I love him too.

• 16:02Joe Rogan?

  They're great.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  I think he's great.

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking fun.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  I think he's great. He's great, and what I love about him is he doesn't care, and he just keeps moving with what he wants to do. With his people. He has a group of people that he loves.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  And that are creative, and then he just keeps going with it.

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  And I think he's very funny, anyway.

• 16:16Joe Rogan?

  He's very funny. I saw his stand-up, uh, live in Vegas once. Him and Rob Schneider, They Killed. It was really fun. I hadn't seen Adam in forever. I hadn't seen him since we did, uh, Zookeeper together, which was like... It had to be like 15 years ago. Somewhere around then. Um, so, he's got the same people that he always works with. He's got the same directors he always works with. He's always working with Spade and Schneider.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 16:43Joe Rogan?

  And all the guys he knows. So it's like real fun on the set. Everybody's friendly.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  Same as Kevin James. He does, Kevin James rocks it the exact same way.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  You go to his set, everybody's friendly, everybody's having fun. There's no weird fucking ego bullshit with the actors. Everybody's pals. They're all pals. They all write for each other. So they're all sitting around like the, when we're doing table reads, everyone's laughing, cracking jokes, they're adding lines.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  Good times.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:10Joe Rogan?

  Good times.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  And that's how you make the best stuff.

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  It's the best stuff.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  When it's loose and playful and fun and everybody can be creative and there's no weirdness there.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  The enemy of comedy is tension. Always. Like, the tension you have between like coworkers, like...

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:23Joe Rogan?

  This is like, you know, Phil Hartman told me that Saturday Night Live was like the most stressful thing that he ever did in his life, because there was so much tension. Because they were, everybody behind the scene was backstabbing everybody.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 17:34Joe Rogan?

  And Brewer says the same thing.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  You ever heard Brewer talk about it?

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Brewer's a good dude, man.

• 17:38Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  He's really a good guy. I was on the road with him a little bit. He's a really good guy and, and very like the quintessential theater act. Like you see, you see him in a theater. I'd go watch him after I was done with my set and it's like, he fills the space.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  He's a great theater.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Right. He's a big act.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like the big stage is actually great for his act.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  He murders in clubs. He'll murder in an arena. He's, he's a old school. He's a great person too. Like what I, what I love about him is like he had no desire to be like super famous, no desire. All he wanted to do is kill. All he wanted to do is be great at comedy and just live in his own world. He lived in Jersey in a nice suburban community, just chilled.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  Didn't need fancy cars or any bullshit. He just, just loves being funny.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  I love that. I love the, the idea of just like waking up every day and it's like, how can I be better?

• 18:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  You know who's the best at that? Attell.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Attell.

• 18:34Joe Rogan?

  And maybe the best comic alive.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  And maybe one of the, I mean, for, in my book, top five, top six of all time.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Yes, for sure.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  And he's effortless.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  Effortless.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  But he's always working on his act, which is kinda torturous.

• 18:48Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  It's a torturous thing. If you're, if you're always tinkering, you're always working on it. And it's like, it's never done. It's always like you're in the mix. You're like, I don't know. And it's like, I get it.

• 18:59Joe Rogan?

  If that's what you love, if that's what you love to do, then it's great. It's like you have to teach yourself that that's what you love to do.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:04Joe Rogan?

  Instead of like, God, I can't wait till this hour's ready. Like right now, I, I really only have like 40 minutes. Maybe I could do 45. I could do like 45 minutes, which is like a year after my special. But, once you get it down, it's, it's sloppy. There's some shit in there that like needs some work.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  But there you have like, even if you're gonna go back and make corrections on it, you have the scaffolding for it, which is very important. It's like the scaffolding, it's like that kinda hard stuff is done. Not that new stuff won't come in. It might still come in. But you have the scaffolding for it now. Now it's like zero.

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  How I describe it. I'm so glad you said it that way. That's what all joke structure is like scaffolding and then inside you put the funny. Like you have to have a premise, a thing you think is ridiculous, and then that's your scaffolding. And then it's all your perspectives on it.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  You know who was the best at that? Richard Jenny.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I was just thinking about him this morning. I was just thinking about him in terms of a comic that, I don't know if you knew him or not, but like, I watched him as a kid and he blew me away with how good he was. He was so good. And then I talked to a teller in New York, he's like, he was the guy.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  He was the guy.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  He was really the guy.

• 20:09Joe Rogan?

  In the 1980s, he was the guy. I apologize if you've heard me tell the story before, people. But, uh, he worked at East Side Comedy Club and he was there for the weekend and I went there on Sunday. And, uh, this dude Pete, who was the, uh, emcee was depressed. I go, why are you depressed? He goes, because Richard Jenny did a totally different hour. Both shows Friday and both shows Saturday. Never repeated a joke and fucking murdered. And he goes, and I want to quit comedy.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  That's insane. That's insane. Yeah, people like that'll frustrate you.

• 20:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  You know, as a comic, but watching him as a kid, I was like, this is the, because we're Italians.

• 20:43Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  So we're watching it as, but he's funny no matter what.

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  But just especially from being an Italian family and watching him, I'm like, this is the funniest thing. We were dying, we'd quote him.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  He was so good.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  He was so good. And you had to see him live. It's one of those things, like you see, he's got some great specials. Uh, A Steaming Pile of Me is great.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Platypus Man.

• 21:02Joe Rogan?

  That's great. I remember.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  His first one was The Boy from New York City.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  That's great, too.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  It's a great one. He has that Jaws story about being on the road and being so bored and watching the movie Jaws. Jaws just hits you with the face with how stupid it is. It's such a great bit and it's so punched up all the way through. And I, I just, I absolutely love that.

• 21:21Joe Rogan?

  He was the best, what I was getting at, as maximizing the scaffolding. He would take a bit and he would find every possible angle. And right when you thought he was done, it would get funnier.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:31Joe Rogan?

  It would go deeper and funnier and more ridiculous and there'd be callbacks and he was so good, but he fucking hated the fact that he wasn't Jim Carrey. He hated the fact that he wasn't a movie star. We all need to take our health seriously and let's face it, while the average modern diet might include some fruits and veggies, it also comes with its fair share of fries and barbecue. That mix probably isn't giving your body everything it needs. This new generation of AG1 can help fill the nutrient gaps your diet might miss. I think it's a simple way to support your overall health. It's an easy morning routine that sets you up to feel ready, energized and equipped to take on the day. You still need to eat right. You still need to exercise. It's not a miracle, but it's

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• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  He wanted to be a sitcom star, so he did a show on UPN, Platypus Man, same as his special, they called it that. And then that didn't, UPN was like, it was a new network and nobody was watching it. It was one of those things, it's just like, if you had a show there, it's like, now you can't have a show on NBC. You know what I mean? It's not that good.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  And the network's not getting any eyes.

• 23:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. But it was okay, you know, and it lasted a little bit. And then he did The Mask with Jim Carrey, he did some other stuff, but...

• 23:21Speaker 01

  He was good in that, he's a good actor.

• 23:23Joe Rogan?

  He's a good actor, but he didn't have the classic good looks that would, not that you need. I'm like, look at Rodney, he didn't have it either. Or John Lovitz didn't have it either. But it's like, he wanted to be a movie star and he was bummed out that he was on the road all the time. And I would, every time I would do radio, you know, there was always like the guy that would drive you. And I would go like, who's the most miserable fuck you ever have to drive? And they all said Richard Chen.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  They all said that. I went, no! It was me, it was like a stake in my heart, no! He's the best!

• 23:51Speaker 01

  There's gotta be an opposite. If you're the funniest guy, like, there's gotta be an opposite to that.

• 23:57Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. There's a disdain and then anger and frustration, but it led him to be a fucking genius comedian, man.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  And no one talks about him anymore. I don't feel like, I don't feel like anyone talks about him anymore.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  I try to carry the torch, I really do. Cause he affected me a lot when I was a kid. I remember, I used to kinda, one time I was an open mic'er and I found myself... I physically got sick. I was like, oh no, I sounded exactly like him on stage.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Like I was copying him. I was like, oh no, don't do that. But it's just because I loved him so much.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  I was such a fan.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  But as soon as that happens, it goes, I gotta stop listening to this guy. I gotta get away from him. I gotta stop listening to him.

• 24:34Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. But it was just, I just wanted to be him. I admired him so much. I wanted to be like him.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  But that's such a great thing with the scaffolding and it's like punched up all the way through and then just walking up there and knowing it's like I'm about to let this loose on this crowd.

• 24:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  And it's like watching them react to it. It's like they're doubled over and you just keep coming at, it's like when you're fight, if you're fighting somebody like a boxer, like a Pacquiao in his prime where he'd turn you, he'd hit you three times, turn you, hit you three times, turn you, and then hit you three more. And you're like, you're like, I can't, I can't move. Like, there's no defense to this. So that's what, that's what like that is like, is like just keep coming with punches, punches, punches, punches and um, it's unreal.

• 25:16Joe Rogan?

  I love a big chunk like that. Like one of my favorite bits of the last few years, Brian Simpson has this bit about the song Wet Ass Pussy. But it goes all the way back to Queen Elizabeth. It's like this amazing long bit. I don't want to ruin it, but the end of it is fucking, he wraps it up with a bow. It's his closer.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 25:35Joe Rogan?

  It's so good.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  I would like leave the green room when I knew he was gonna close, just so I could watch the Wet Ass Pussy. But I would ask him to do it, please. I go, please do the Wet Ass Pussy bit, please. Cause it was such a, it's like a, but Brian's a real writer. Like Brian sits down and writes, which is one of the things that I always try to tell young guys. I'm like, I know you like to write on stage. I know you write when you're with your friends. I know you come up with great premises and you work them out on stage, but that extra step of sitting down and writing is fucking critical, man. It's big.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  It's big, because you can get stuff there that you wouldn't get.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Right. And it's gotta be a routine.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  It's like get up, do whatever you do, stretch, and then uh, that's what I do now, is like stretch and then delay coffee. That's another big thing I'm trying, is to delay coffee. Get, because the gym is in the building, get a workout first. Right out of bed and then uh and then come back up cold shower and then get a cup of coffee and then write.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  Do that cold shower first dude, do that cold shower right away and you won't even need the coffee, you'll be like.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  And then right into a workout?

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  And then go right into a workout.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  And then a hot shower after?

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah, I do sauna, sauna after the workout, that's what I usually do.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the move.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  I used to do steam room when I was at the gym.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  Steam room is okay, but the problem with steam rooms, you really can't get it as hot because dry air won't like scald your skin like wet. Wet air will poach you. If you do a hundred and ninety-five degrees wet, you're gonna get burned, like it's gonna literally poach you like an egg. But you can do a hundred and ninety-five dry in a sauna and that's why I don't know much about the infrared saunas. I don't think there's the, the same amount of data on them. It's definitely better than doing nothing. But I think that the real sauna, like we have a Salus sauna in the back here, that motherfucker will go up to two-ten, two-fifteen if you wanted to.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 27:26Joe Rogan?

  And that dry sauna is where all the research from Finland comes out. They, they did over twenty years, they found that if you do the sauna four times a week for twenty minutes at a hundred and seventy-five degrees, it's a forty percent decrease in all-cause mortality.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Didn't they do that, was this study in Italy? They did a study of Italians who were doing sauna and, and it was something similar to that.

• 27:49Joe Rogan?

  It's all similar because it's all great for reduction of inflammation, increase of red blood cells. It has like a mild EPO effect on your endurance. Like one of the things that I've done, like every time I've been injured where I couldn't do cardio, I just did sauna every day and then I'd go back to cardio. And it was not that much of a drop-off, not like it used to be. Like it used to be like if I got hurt, I couldn't hit the bag, I couldn't do cardio for a while. And then I would go back to doing it like, oh God, I'm so out of shape.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  So that drop-off doesn't happen as much, not nearly as much if you do sauna every day. And all like the Eastern Bloc, Dan Gable told me that that was something that he learned in his wrestling days.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 28:26Joe Rogan?

  That all the Eastern Bloc guys were all doing sauna after training and it's essentially like static cardio. So like I wear a whoop strap and I'll go in the sauna. After training and I'll look at my app and I'm at a hundred and forty-five beats per minute. Just sitting there because I'll go straight from working out. So I'll do rounds in the bag and then heart rate elevated, go right in the sauna and it keeps your heart rate up.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Because you're fucking struggling. You're struggling, your body's struggling because it's already overheated from the workout and then your body's in a hundred and ninety-five degrees. And your heart's just pounding, but it's like static cardio.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  That's really something.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  It's really good for you. And then I stretch in there, which is the best.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  That is great, the stretch. I used to do Bikram yoga.

• 29:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to do it and I want to get back into it now that I'm not paying for a gym.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  That's what you should do. That's what you should do.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  I want to do that and I want to go back to boxing. I used to do boxing. A bunch of comics went to boxing in New York. And we took a class together. A little bit to the body, but nothing, you know, we just, he just took us through the training and, I mean, I wrestled a little bit in college and I gotta say, it's, the training was very, very, that's why I liked it. It was very, very tough.

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's hard. Boxing's tough.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, but, you know, but a lot of the boxing training for civilians isn't. But this guy, his name is Steve Frank, he, uh, put us through it and it's like, it's, it was, he was like, would not let up. After, after an hour, you're like, oh my God. And it's like, you gotta get used to, you can't be on the road too much because you gotta get used to it. Because if you don't get used to it, then it shoots your whole day. You're exhausted for the rest of the day. It's like, I can't do it. I got spots that I get, you know.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  You can't do anything now.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's like, I, I always avoid doing leg days on days I do stand-up. And I've done it before where I've done leg days, then I try, and then I go on stage that night and I'm always like struggling. It's just like, it's just too hard. It's too much of a burden on your entire system.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 30:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, squats and lunges and pulling the sled and all that shit.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  At the end of it.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  But it feels good. Like, this suffering is, uh, it's like a Goggins thing where it's like this suffering. Like, put yourself in an uncomfortable situation every day. And then when you come out of it, it just feels so good.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  I try to tell that to everybody. I'm like, I know it sucks, but please do it. It'll make the rest of your life suck less. It really will. And you don't have to do what I do. You could just, I mean, just put a weighted vest on and go walk around your block. You don't have to do much. It's not that hard. You just have to do something.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Something.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Just do something that sucks.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:51Joe Rogan?

  Do a hundred push-ups, a hundred sit-ups, a hundred body weight squats every day. Do that. It's not that hard. Do it in sets of, if you can't do twenty, do it in sets of ten. Just do ten sets of ten for the push-ups. Build up to it. Start. Tell yourself you're gonna do 20 today, 20 this week, next week you're gonna do 25, then before you know it, you're doing 100.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  And just do that.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:10Joe Rogan?

  Just do fucking something.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Something. Yeah, and you feel so good after it. That's the whole thing. And that's the time I try to time it with when I'm writing, because it's like you wanna feel all, you wanna feel that energy while you're writing.

• 31:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I do my best writing late at night. I do my best writing when everyone's asleep.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  That's another secret, where it's like, the guys who write after the set.

• 31:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a, that's a, where it's like, I'm done, I'm gonna watch some, I'm gonna de-escalate now and go to sleep. Especially on the road, you're doing an hour, two shows, you're doing an hour, two shows, and then you come back, you're like, alright, I wanna de, I traveled all day, I wanna de-escalate to go to sleep. It's like, you know, trick yourself a little bit, let me just look at these notes.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Let me just look at the notes that I have on the set that I just did.

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't suck. That's the crazy thing about it. It doesn't suck to do. It's not like you hate it. It's not like painful.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  But you avoid it.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  You avoid it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you avoid it because you're like, now I did it, I'm done, I wanna go to sleep. It's like, nah, just take another, just check in on it. Just check in on the act.

• 32:08Joe Rogan?

  Even 20 minutes, you might yield one of your best punchlines. It is like, every now and then, like, the universe will reward you if you put in that work.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  You sit down and put in that work.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  I think that's with fucking everything in the world, everything. I was watching this video today on Usik's training, on Alexander Usik, who's just, did you see that fight?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, dude.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's one of the best of all time. One of the absolute best heavyweights that's ever lived.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  The thing that was remarkable about, and I agree, the thing that's remarkable about that fight is Dubois came out the first round, and was aggressive. And I'm like, oh, right, Dubois is...

• 32:43Joe Rogan?

  Fucking dangerous.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Is coming, dude. And he like, this is an opportunity and I'm not, I'm not gonna lose it. I'm like, and, uh, Usik felt that. They said between rounds, he felt it and he's like, okay, okay, I can't let this guy get confidence.

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  So he stepped in the center of the ring and just started countering him and not giving up any more ground.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and and cutting these angles, he's like, he just downloads what you're doing and starts adding in feints and, you know, Joshua said that when he trained, when he fought him rather, that at the last round, he had never been more tired in his life. He just couldn't believe how tired Usik makes you because he's constantly fainting and moving. So I watched this, uh, his training routine today. Jesus Christ, man. Like, no wonder he's in this shape. He would swim sometimes for five hours a day, five hours of just laps in the pool. He would do, he starts his day at four thirty in the morning. So four thirty in the morning, he gets up, eats breakfast and has his first training at five. At five, it's all conditioning.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  It's all like running, rowing, biking, takes a break, eats again, takes a little nap. Back in the gym again like two hours and then he's sparring, boxing, doing all that workout, then eats, takes a break, relaxes a little bit, evening session is boxing. An evening session, he's sparring, he's, you know, he's hitting mitts, he's hitting the bag. Gets up in the morning and does it all over again. And it's like, it's all like this, that's that reverse hyper that I was just showing you.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 34:15Joe Rogan?

  That's the machine that Louis Simmons created that is fucking phenomenal for your lower back. It decompresses your back actively on the downswing and strengthens it on the upswing. And Louis, who is a genius, who is one of the only guys that we ever traveled to do a podcast with.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, I gotta get this guy on film. He's, he's like a legitimate strength genius. And he developed that machine because he had a bulging disc. And they were like, oh, you gotta get your disc fused because he was a power lifter, fucking complete maniac. It's a complete psychopath on steroids his whole life. He was an amazing person. And he was like, that doesn't make any sense if compression is what the problem was, decompression will fix it. And he devised that machine to actively decompress on the downswing. So strengthening all the tissue around that and then decompressing it on the downswing.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Wow, that makes, he must have had like a, did he have some kind of an engineering background? He must have to create that.

• 35:13Joe Rogan?

  There's Louis, the fucking man.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  To create that thing.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Such a fun guy to talk to, too. He's just such a fucking psychopath, an intelligent psychopath. And look at his back.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  West Side Rules. Oh my god. Swords and knives and shit. Just a fun, fun dude, but genius when it came to strength and conditioning. I mean, he, so many guys like MMA fighters went and traded with him. Matt the Immortal Brown did a lot of training with him and then, you know, used a lot of his stuff with, you know, Matt sells equipment now too. It's a lot of the stuff that he worked on with Louis. Right. But it's like, you know, he'd have all these guys that were like these world champion lifters. I mean, these guys are fucking gorillas, man. Big shaved head gorillas. But Louis was the man. This episode is brought to you by Rocket Money. Financial freedom, when you get down to it, is not worrying about money.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

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• 37:36Joe Rogan?

  It's all these constant movements and switches and angles and strength and, you know, he's a legit heavyweight now. He's 227 for the dupe fight. And, you know, this is coming from a guy who was the undisputed cruiserweight champion. So he's a small heavyweight, but the best heavyweights were small, except for Foreman and a couple of other guys like Tyson was small. Ali was not big. He's exactly the same size as Ali when Ali was in his prime.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Holyfield.

• 38:01Joe Rogan?

  Holyfield was not big.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Came this, yeah. But he unified, like, he unified that cruiserweight division. Like, he didn't get any gifts.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  There. He went around and unified it and then moved up and, and then unified. I mean, it's just, what was the, um... How many weeks is that training camp?

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know. I mean, it has to be three months plus. I mean, I would imagine the most difficult opponent for him is Tyson Fury. Because Tyson Fury's six foot nine. He is an incredible boxer. He's one of the best boxers of all time and regardless of any division. Just skillful. Tyson Fury is a skillful boxer. He's slick and intelligent and, you know, people talk about like what's next for Usyk? Should it be Joseph Parker? Yeah, that would be a great fight. Joseph Parker deserves it.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:45Joe Rogan?

  But what I want to see before the fucking, the hazen the barn, I want to see one more. One more Fury. Because Fury's the only one that's given him problems, the only one that came close. He hurt him to the body a bunch of times in this fight. He was lighting him up with a jab. You know, those fights were close.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  They were very close.

• 39:01Joe Rogan?

  They were close. I mean, Usyk almost stopped him in the first fight in, I think it was the ninth round.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Knocked him down, yeah.

• 39:08Joe Rogan?

  And he pulled back when the referee was like calling it a knockdown where he could have caught him one or two more times.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:13Joe Rogan?

  And that would have probably been, that would have been a wrap. But other than that, like, no one has given Usik the problem that Tyson Fury's giving him. And I think you give Tyson one more shot at it where, I mean, he's training now. I know he's posting up a lot of stuff about his times, like, he's doing a lot of endurance work now. So he's gearing up for it.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  He's gonna have a fight before. He's gotta have another fight like I want.

• 39:35Joe Rogan?

  No? Nah, right into the fucking, come on, man. This guy's a veteran. He's been doing it forever. Right into the Fury, right into the fire, rather.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  See, I wanna see Fury and Joshua.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  That's an all-England bash.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'd love to see that, too. I'd love to see that, too.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  That would sell out like Wembley.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  They're talking about doing...

• 39:49Speaker 01

  They were supposed to fight many times a long time ago. It kept, you know, they were supposed to fight. They thought they were on a, you know, and the money was never right or something. But now with, like, Turkey Alashik in the mix, you know?

• 40:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it would, if they decided to do Parker versus Usik, which is a great fight.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:05Joe Rogan?

  I think that would be the fight that they would have underneath. That would be, that would be amazing. Tyson and Joshua. But they're talking right now about doing Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  I know, I saw that.

• 40:15Joe Rogan?

  Jake Paul apparently wants that fight. And he, he agreed to, I think it was 99% to 1, where Joshua gets 99% of the money and he gets 1%? See if that's true. That's what I, I believe I read that online. That might be just some shenanigans. But, look, regardless of what you think about Jake Paul, like...

• 40:37Speaker 01

  I think Jake Paul's a great athlete.

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  He's a great athlete. I don't know if him or Logan placed in states in Ohio in wrestling. Like, you're not, that may seem like nothing to people on a national level, but if you're placing in states in Ohio, you're a great athlete, yeah.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  Both of them are great athletes. People think they're jokes because they were famous when they were kids. And they were, that doesn't mean anything.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  Like Mario Lopez. People look at Mario Lopez, like, Mario Lopez is, like, Saved by the Bell guy. No, Mario Lopez can box.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Can fight.

• 41:03Joe Rogan?

  He does Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He's a very good wrestler. I don't know if you've ever seen that guy that does, uh, "I'll give you $1,000 if you can take me down." Have you ever seen that guy?

• 41:12Speaker 01

  I love that guy.

• 41:12Joe Rogan?

  I love that guy.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  That guy's from my high school in Ohio.

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  What is his name?

• 41:15Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's something Greek, but, like, uh, he... He's a guy who, he was a Ohio State champ and maybe a runner up his senior year and then he went to Cleveland State. And, and was just a guy who was like, I don't think, he did anything in college really, but the way he wrestles, I could see by the way he wrestles and it's, it's a good, uh, video series. It's just like very smooth, very smooth. He's very, very talented.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's super talented. Point is Mario Lopez wrestled him. And gave him a fucking great scramble.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  That's really something.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of great rolls, a bunch.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  Mario Lopez is legit, like really legit.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  And you could say, fuck the say bye bye pussy, I'll fucking smack him. That dude will fuck you up, man.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  You can say all that until you get into it with him. Giorgio Polis?

• 42:02Joe Rogan?

  That's his guy. Shout out to Giorgio. He's a bad motherfucker. Cause that guy wrestles dudes way bigger than him. So check out this Mario one.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  So by the way, Mario Lopez is in his fucking 50s.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  I didn't see this one.

• 42:14Joe Rogan?

  He's in his 50s. Now watch, scoot ahead a little so you can see some of this.

• 42:20Joe Rogan?

  Scoot ahead, so here we go. Mario can fucking wrestle dude, like legit wrestle and scramble and avoid takedowns. Oh, you got him there.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Mario shoots in on a single, like that's some good scramble. And again, in his fucking 50s, man.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 42:39Joe Rogan?

  He's also competing in jujitsu and I know he's won jujitsu matches.

• 42:45Joe Rogan?

  Like these are good fucking scrambles, man.

• 42:49Joe Rogan?

  Legit.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it. I love watching this series too.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. No, the dude's good and he's, he's done it with some national champions and a bunch of.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  He always does an interview beforehand. It's like, what discipline are you from? How many years? And then he's like, what do you, from 1 to 10, 10 being you're gonna take me down. What do you think that the odds are that you take me down?

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them say 10.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  A lot of them say 10 dude. And some of them are really big guys, you know what I mean? It just goes to show you, it's like,

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  He, that guy's tough and he's a technician.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the whole thing about grappling is technique. It's everything. It's everything. It's in jujitsu and, and judo and everything. It's just about technique. This is great old judo clip of this guy. I mean, I wanna say he was in his seventies at the time. And it's a black and white film of all his younger black belts rolling with him, like doing standing, I don't know what they call it, standing judo practice. And he's like effortlessly avoiding these takedowns with balance and technique. It doesn't ever look like he's like exploding or really using a lot of force. And just flips these guys to the ground. It's gorgeous to watch. It's just like, my goodness. Cause you know, you're looking at that guy like there's no, that guy's not a brute.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  He's not some big giant 200 pound muscle up fucking super athlete that you just. He's just technique, just beautiful technique.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  And it's also, it's also, it's very loose.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. See, you can find that, Jamie. It's like old judo guy trains with younger students. And it's old. It's like black and white.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  I got the Jake Paul thing. There's a lot of rumors that it says that 9091 was accepted on his side, but I can't find like where he said it. I just like a lot of Instagram.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Maybe he doesn't care about the money. Like Jake Paul like probably doesn't care about the money.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, he has plenty of money. And if he won, oh my God, if he, if he beat Anthony Joshua, good Lord. Good Lord. I mean, that's a big if, right? Anthony Joshua, Olympic gold medalist, former heavyweight champion of the world. What he did to Francis Nganu, like good Lord. Do you want that smoke?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just think it's all about the promotion or whatever. I have no idea what the actual motivation is for. That fight's not competitive at all.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a dangerous fight. Cause Joshua's gonna try to make an example out of him, for sure.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  And will.

• 44:59Joe Rogan?

  And will. I mean, Anthony Joshua was one of the biggest one punch KO artists ever.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's a one punch fucking night night guy. You know, he's a great boxer, you know, very skillful.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. The Nganu fight, we all thought it's like Nganu with Fury. It's like, wow, this guy's in the mix now. He's in the mix. Let's, let's see what happens. It's like, oh, okay. That's what happened.

• 45:21Joe Rogan?

  The difference is Fury, I think underestimated him.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  I think Fury took him super lightly and he thought he was gonna box his face off. And that power that Francis has is legendary. You know, Francis is like a character from a comic book. You know, I mean, he lived in Cameroon and he worked in the sand mines when he was a boy. It's like the Conan origin story.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  Like digging sand as a boy, just fucking.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Well, hopefully he got paid for it.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  Here's the guy. Like, check out this old dude. And I think this dude, look at this shit, bro. I think this dude might have been 90 at the time. I'm not kidding. I don't know what, how old he is. How old does it say he is, Jamie?

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  He's old as shit. However old he is, he's at least 70. And he looks to me like he's even older than that. Look at how he just, look how he's avoiding this. That's so, like, so relaxed, man. Just the size of the guy that's trying to throw him, who's a judo black belt, who's towering over him.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Bro, effortless.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  Effortless takedowns.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  But it's, look at this guy. Like, this guy hitting that hip throw and not getting any movement off that old dude at all.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  And it's, look, the old dude's tiny, man.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  He's the tiny guy.

• 46:31Joe Rogan?

  And everything he does is just super relaxed. He just knows where to be where you can't throw him. Look, look, steps in the right position. He's not exploding. He just anticipates your movements and meets you there. It's like, judo, when you wa- look at that, man. I mean, he just threw a dude that's twice his size. He throws him like effortless. It's kind of amazing, man.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  It is.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, and you would think it's bullshit unless you've trained with a guy like that. And then you go, wow, this is nuts, man. It's just perfect, like, execution of that kind of technique.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:07Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 47:07Speaker 01

  It's unreal.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  And when you see in wrestling too, it's like you see guys who, they chain moves together and as the guy's trying to do that, they're countering with this, and then next thing you know, they're on your back and you're down, like, my god. Such a underappreciated thing, wrestling. You know, in terms of like, the way we appreciate sports.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Too. I mean, I wrestle, but I was never that. I was never like, could get that fluid.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, that fluid, that's really the guys who are like, top notch.

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter what program you come from. It's like, you could see it. You could see this guy, Giorgio, like, he has it. It's like the flow, like, he'll shoot for something, and if that doesn't- He'll, he'll see where that leg and he'll, he'll adjust on the fly. It's like the improv of it is amazing.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's a really underappreciated sport in terms of like the way the public perceives sports. Everybody loves basketball, everybody loves baseball. We love all these sports and no one appreciates wrestling, so it never had a professional outlet for whatever dumb reason, other than MMA. Where, where it dominates. If you look at MMA, like, if you look at all the, if the disciplines of all the champions of all time, I think wrestling has a significant lead. I think there's more athletes that came from wrestling that became world champions than any other discipline.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Well, before everybody started cross-training, I think our training was the model. I might be wrong, but like our training, like wrestling practice was very hard.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  When I was in like an, even eighth grade, I was like, this is unbelievably harder than anything I've ever experienced. So I think everybody cross-trains now, everybody kinda trains like that, but we were the first where it's like you get in, it's like you warm up and it's, it's just military-like.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  In its execution of practice.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  You have to be in incredible shape.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  You're just wiped out at the end of practice and then you have to cut weight after that.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  So then it's mental strength on top of that. That's a giant factor with wrestling. And one of the things about wrestlers is they revel in the fact that they suffer more than anybody else.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:05Joe Rogan?

  They, they like take it as a badge of courage.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  They, it's like a badge of honor that they'll display, like Mike over there, he fucking suffers more than anybody, that's why he wins. Mike's a psycho, he's up at three o'clock in the morning eating raw eggs, you know? Those are the guys that everyone was scared of.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  But very few people have said wrestling is fun, like basketball is fun. No one who's wrestled seriously is like, oh, it's fun. It's like, it's not fun.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Like the, the training is not fun. It's, it's painful and it's suffering.

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  It's only fun if the guy you're wrestling sucks. And you train a lot. That, that moment will be fun.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Winning is great.

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  But, you know, uh, the actual process of going to practice, I gotta practice, like I gotta cut weight.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's one of the best character developers for young men.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 49:51Joe Rogan?

  The guys that I meet that are former wrestlers, competitive wrestlers, they're just a different kind of human being.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  It's like military guys, like guys who've been through like Navy SEAL training or, this is a different kind of human.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:03Joe Rogan?

  It's like you're gonna, you're dealing with a guy who can get through some shit that the average person is gonna fold up under. And if you can learn how to do that and overcome that desire to quit when you're a kid. Oh, it's so valuable. It's so valuable for the rest of your life.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And it helps if you're not very good.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  If you're also, if you're like on the fence and you have to work for everything, it's like, cause you're coming you're coming across all kinds of adversity and stuff and then you have to figure out and then, you know, I can speak from experience, it's embarrassing to get pinned in a gym full of people. It's not like losing a basketball game. Even football, when I love the camaraderie of football, it's not losing a football game. Having your shoulder blades pinned down in front of everybody in a gymnasium is

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  Against your will.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Against your will.

• 50:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's totally humiliating. And the reality about fighting is if a guy can hold you down, he could beat you up. That's just how it works.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  This guy who's my same weight can pretty much do whatever he wants to me.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  So.

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Take that home with you.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  And when you go up, when I wrestled, I remember the difference between like regular guys that would wrestle, like, you know, in meets, you know, you'd mauled in Massachusetts would wrestle against Newton and, you know, would go to travel down. The difference between that and then getting in there with like a state champion is like, oh, okay. This is like, and then you hear these guys go to camps every summer and it's 24/7, 365. They're always wrestling.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  There's no like wrestling season. Like, oh, I never catch up.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  It's so funny because when you're in a guy, you're in with a guy who's really good. You're mentally preparing yourself. It's like, I just gotta take a tomb. I just gotta take a tomb. I just gotta go out there and be aggressive and take a tomb. And then he's moving so fast that you're like, I just, I don't know, I can't keep, I can't keep up with this guy.

• 51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have no chance. And most.

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  right people for your roles, seasonal or otherwise. Try it for free today at ziprecruiter.com/rogan. That's ziprecruiter.com/rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. People have no idea how helpless they are against a wrestler. There's a horrible street fight video that I watched the other day where this guy, they square off in the street. This guy takes a swing at this guy and this guy shoots in with a double, hoists this dude up into the air and power slams him on his head on the concrete, and then punches him in the face a couple times while he's completely unconscious. Then his buddies jump on him and it's a fucking melee. Thank God for that. Yeah, well, I think- Your buddy's pulling him off.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I don't, I think even that alone, man. You get a real powerful wrestler slams you on your head. I mean, that's, you might not live. I don't know what happened to that guy, but I looked at that, I'm like, that guy could be dead. Guys get, guys die all the time from getting knocked out in street fights. Yeah, hitting their head, yeah. That's how they die. Yeah.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  But that's another video, it's like what happens afterwards.

• 54:55Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that video from, uh, there was a Cleveland Jazz Festival? Cincinnati? Cincinnati Jazz Festival where this couple got jumped? And this guy got beaten down and kicked and then the girl was trying to separate it and this guy punches the girl and KOs her? And she falls and bangs her head on the ground and she's out cold with her eyes open. It's fucking horrifying, man.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  That's horrible to watch.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  And people are like screaming and cheering, kick his ass. And unfortunately, it's a bunch of black people jumping to white people, so it's even more problematic. You know what I mean?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:29Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a horrible video, man. Of the worst aspects of human nature.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:34Joe Rogan?

  Fucking desire to beat people up for no rea- I don't mean, I don't know what the reason was. I don't know what happened.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Right. Those things are hard to watch. You have to watch like, uh, cute pet videos after that in order to get yourself back, you know, like a dog who be friends with a cat.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, there's a man punched a woman right in the face and knocked her unconscious and she bangs her head off the ground, her eyes are out wide open. Oh, it's fucking horrible, man. That kind of shit could affect you for the rest of your life.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 56:00Joe Rogan?

  You might not ever be the same. Like traumatic brain injuries like that, there's people that never come back from those.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Right. That's nuts.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts, man. It's like, you just can't go out.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  Fucking, you can't.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Well, especially if it's a, if it's a one-on-one fight, it's like, I don't, I don't like that whole, the shit talking back and forth. It's like, fuck you, no fuck you. It's like, okay, are we gonna, are, what's gonna happen here? Like enough of this. Are we gonna have fight? Is this a fight now? Or like, well, let's just do it and then get it over with, you know?

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  One-on-one fights are stupid. They get you killed. You know, it's, people don't play by rules. It's dumb. It's almost always unnecessary. Just, most people, it's just their ego gets involved and they think they're in a fucking movie.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  You know? And the amount of people that get in street fights that have no training, to me, is the craziest. I've watched so many videos where guys don't know what they're doing at all.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Right, they're just, uh, yeah, you're right. The ego gets involved in it. They're, they're in an argument and that transitions over into physical. But I think half the guys maybe don't think it's gonna go. Into the physical, they're just like good at shit talking, yeah.

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  Bluffing, yeah, you gotta, don't do that.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  And, and sometimes it doesn't, and that's good, you know what I mean, or whatever, but like, I mean, when it does, and you're not ready for it, it's, can be terrible.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst thing in the world.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  I was wa- there's a comic, I don't wanna say his name, but he was a real angry dude, always yelled at people, and he got in this like yelling altercation with this fucking guy, and I pulled him aside, I go, hey, what the fuck are you doing, man? Do you even know how to fight? He's like, no, no. I'm like, have you ever been in a fight? He's like, no, no. I go, well, why, why are you calling this guy out to fight? This is crazy, like, you're gonna get killed. You're gonna do it with some guy one day, and he's gonna go, oh, this is gonna be fun. This guy, oh, I finally get a chance to beat the shit out of somebody, some boxer or something, he's gonna just beat your fucking face in, man. Like, don't do that.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  You want your jaw wired shut for six months? Like, what are you talking about?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Especially with the health insurance companies these days.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  You never know what they're gonna cover and what they're gonna not cover.

• 58:06Joe Rogan?

  How crazy are they? Did you see the Ben Askren thing?

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 58:10Speaker 01

  It's nuts, man.

• 58:10Joe Rogan?

  The guy needs a double lung transplant.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  I mean, how can that, how can that?

• 58:14Joe Rogan?

  Not be covered. How can that not be covered?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  But how can that happen in our society, man?

• 58:17Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Like, what's going on?

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  It's profit over fucking humanity.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  But how is it allowed to legally, how are they legally, I don't know the ins and the outs of it, but like, the legally allowed to, to be like, no, we're not covering that. You know, it's just like, like, the idea of a pre-existing condition was nuts to me.

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  What kind of pre-existing condition? I mean, he's got health insurance, he gets sick. Like, what are you talking about? He got pneumonia, he's got holes in his fucking lungs.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:42Joe Rogan?

  He needs double lung transplant, and you say, no, you have to die. Meanwhile, he gets the lung transplant, I, I think actually Jake Paul donated a bunch of money to, and some other folks did too. Um, which is great, cause Jake Paul actually fought him in the past. They had a boxing match together, which should have never taken place. Jake flatlined him.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Oh, did he really?

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was terrible.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  That Askrin is super tough, man.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a very tough guy, but he's not a boxer.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  He's never been known for having good hands. He was an amazing wrestler.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  But Jake stepped up and paid a big chunk of his medical bills.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  So he's training now. Again, he's posting videos and he's, you know, he weighs like 135 pounds right now. And he's got this giant scar across his chest and his arms are like sticks and he's, you know, on the bike working out again. And Ben's trying to put weight back on and very-

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Just trying to rehab, yeah.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Trying to get his body back.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, but I saw the, I didn't watch the whole videos, but his face looks really-

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  He lost like 35 pounds, you know, and he was there for months, just rotting away. It's just crazy that they-

• 59:47Speaker 01

  He's a super tough, he was a super, super tough wrestler.

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, the Bellator days, if you go back and watch him in the Bellator days, he would just dominate guys. They would have no clue as to what he was doing. He would take some of the best fighters in the world and as soon as he grabbed a hold of them, they were fucked.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  And that guy had like, was known to have a motor. He would never get tired.

• 1:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  He wrestled at Missouri, I think.

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Did he?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  My friend Greg Warren was an All-American. He's a great comic, Greg Warren.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  I know Greg.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  You know Greg?

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

  I worked with Greg back in the day.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  He's unbelievable.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, funny dude.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  And, you know, I wrestled and everything, but he was, Greg was an All-American.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  And he knows Askrin.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Ah, okay.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  And I met him at Nationals one year.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  I always wanted Askrin to fight in the UFC, long before he did. And unfortunately, I think like he did sort of the prime of his career in Bellator and no one got a chance to see it.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Because that was when he was at his best, when he was fighting guys like Douglas Lima, who was another guy, who people forgot because he was fighting so much in Bellator. But he was one of the best welterweights ever. He was one of the only guys to knock out MVP.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Douglas Lima's a fucking beast, man, and- Ben Askren got ahold of him and just ragdoll.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  No kidding.

• 1:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Korishkov, another guy, killer, fucking nasty spinning back kick. He was nasty. Nasty striker. Ragdoll. Ben got ahold of him, just, he was just throwing those guys around. They just gave him noogies. They couldn't do shit. There was nothing they could do to him.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  That's really something. Yeah, they couldn't get up and he, like, I can't emphasize, a guy who never gets tired.

• 1:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Like, I always had to, like, pace out, like, and think about, it's like, ah, how much energy is this? You kind of have to subconsciously go, how much energy is this gonna take? Cause I gotta, I gotta conserve my energy. It's like, that's just not a thing.

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the guy, that's the difference between a guy who's like constantly wrestling and doing it all of his life and doing camps and starting when he was a young boy.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  And also, like, his technique was so good. He's like, so unorthodox as well.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:41Joe Rogan?

  So efficient.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, so efficient. Efficient with the energy is a big thing.

• 1:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's huge, yeah. I mean, if a guy doesn't have to be tense all the time, you know, but it's like, this, uh, video that I watched with Usyk, it was very eye-opening. It was like, of course, of cour-, he would do 15 rounds of three and a half minutes with a 20-second rest. So he's preparing himself for a 12-round fight. He would do 15, but he would do three and a half-minute rounds and he would do 20 seconds rest instead of one minute.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  And if he, uh, if he touched his back to the ropes at any point in time, he would add another round.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  That's nuts. That's great. That's really great.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Fucking animal.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  I love that. It's like the Lomachenko. I didn't see the Usyk one, but I saw how Lomachenko trained.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Same trainer.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, the same ki-, oh, his father.

• 1:02:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  His father trains Usyk, yeah.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, same coach.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  And it's, uh, bananas, like the coordination.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  He quit boxing as a young kid to learn Russian dance.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why his footwork is so crazy.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  His footwork is insane.

• 1:02:38Joe Rogan?

  His footwork is insane.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I would really like to have seen him fight Shakur.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  And, uh, you know, these guys, Tank and Shakur, are great, but they were calling him out and it was after, uh, I think Lomachenko was, it's after he fought Haney and he was like, I'm kind of done. He fought Kambosis and then that was, he wrapped on that.

• 1:02:54Joe Rogan?

  I felt like he got robbed in the Haney fight.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I thought so too.

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  I thought he won that fight.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  I thought he won.

• 1:02:58Joe Rogan?

  It was a bummer to me because I was like, this is kind of a great comeback story. The guy fights for Ukraine in the war, comes back, gets back in the shape.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Fights again and I think-

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  And Haney's great, but he was much bigger than Lomo. Lomo was a- He just looked very small. He looked like, you know, he was fighting at 35. But these guys are cutting down from god knows where.

• 1:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Like Haney's fighting at 47 now.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  So it's, you know, you could just see their builds.

• 1:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  They look different.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a different size, different sized person.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  But Shakur, I'm saying Shakur is, looks about the same size as Lomo.

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Also, super skillful.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Super skillful.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  And I was happy, I was happy his last.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  His last fight, best Philly shell since Floyd Mayweather.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  His fucking defense was incredible.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Defense and he stayed, and that guy was putting, the guy from Golden Boy, I can't remember his name, who he fought, but was just a good fighter. And was really pressuring him.

• 1:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  And Shakur stayed in the pocket.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  He stayed in the pocket.

• 1:03:58Joe Rogan?

  He also said he's not gonna fight that way anymore.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  He's not a runner, yeah.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  But he said after that fight, "I'm not gonna fight that way anymore." He said, "I took too many shots."

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:04:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because he wanted to like put on a show.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  And show everybody he's not just a runner, he could stand in the pocket, and then he's like, "Why am I doing this?"

• 1:04:13Joe Rogan?

  "I'll box the shit out of these motherfuckers."

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  I mean, he's a silver medalist, that guy.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, he's elite, he's elite. And just one of the best, like, as far as skill.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  What do you think of Crawford Canelo?

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  See, I don't.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Crawford wants to do it.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  I don't love it. I think it's Crawford's last fight, so I'm happy he's gonna cash out, and I'm rooting for him. But I would like to see him stay at 54 and fight Virgil Ortiz.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to see that too, but the big money is Canelo.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  And why not do it? I mean, what a ballsy move. You go 47 to 54, and you go, "Fuck 60," go right up to 68. That's crazy. Cause he's really not even at 54.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  He's taken the fight at 54, he took Madrimov.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Madrimov.

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Because it was a big fight, wins another world title.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Right. And he won that, people are like trying to discredit, like, he fought, first of all, Terrence fought great.

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Madrimov is great, is a great fighter. And fought him differently than he fought every other guy.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cause he's dangerous.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  He's dangerous. And Madrimov is a great athlete. Anybody who does a backflip.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  In the, in the ring, like, that guy, he's a great athlete. And, and he is like, uh, all these eastern block fighters always have like, seven, they're like, 7-0! And it looks like nothing, it's like, yeah, but he has 400 amateur fights.

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Like Arthur Betterbeef. That's a perfect example. He had like 300 amateur fights. Sort of Lomachenko. They, they have hundreds of amateur fights. And by, by the time they get to the professional ranks, like, yeah, this isn't a regular 1-0 guy.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:05:38Joe Rogan?

  These are, these are guys that just, they can do stuff that you can't even imagine being able to do.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  They're unreal. So who do you have in the fight?

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  I would, listen, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be a great fight. You're dealing with two all-time greats. Crawford's one of the best switch hitters I think since Marvin Hagler. And one of the most skillful boxers alive. And then you have Canelo, who probably isn't the same guy as he was just like a few years ago.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  But still, one of the greatest of all time. Still has brutal knockout power. You know, I mean, if you go back to like some of his, you know, like more impressive fights from a few years ago, like, like the Amir Khan KO, you know, like the Billy Joe Saunders KO, like those KOs, like, he's probably not that guy anymore.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  But he's still, he's still young enough that he's still like pretty close to his prime and one of the best of all time.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  I'd like to see him fight David Benavides.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, of course.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  And I think that the WBC should have forced it, that fight. I know he's the, he's the draw of boxing and he's the face of boxing and all that stuff, but.

• 1:06:45Joe Rogan?

  Says a lot that he doesn't want that fight.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  You can't let the inmates run the asylum, for lack of a better phrase. You have to force the fight. Patrick Mahomes comes into a football season, he doesn't automatically go to the playoffs.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  He's gotta play every game. And if he loses enough games, he has to go on the road in the playoffs. It's like, the WBC should have forced.

• 1:07:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Canelo to fight David Benavides. Cause that's not fair, that David Benavides has to go up to 75 now.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  And he has to wait to see the winner of the better be bivoule fight.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that was the fight. The fight, I mean, for Mexican bragging rights too, you know, and.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  What a great fight. And in no way do I think that Canelo was afraid of him or anything. He's just trying to maneuver his career with the least risk.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  And the most money.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  And the most money.

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  I think he said he wanted, he'll fight him, but he wanted like 200 million dollars or something crazy like that.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  I mean, but you're mandate, it's your mandatory defense at 68. It's your mandatory, how do you choose? I know you're the face of boxing, but how do you choose? The WBC gotta force that, man.

• 1:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but maybe the Saudis will cough up that money eventually. Like, maybe he beats Crawford and then they say, listen, like, Turkey Al Ashiq decides, what does it say? Devin Benavides, they offered Canelo 70 million to fight me. That's before pay-per-view. They offered me a flat fee of 5 million and I said yes. Then we never heard back. Whoa, that's crazy.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:06Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, maybe for him, 70 million is not the number he wanted. Maybe he thinks the Saudis will give him 200. They might. Look, if he beats Crawford, that might be the move.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  But it speaks to how boxing is organized.

• 1:08:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's goofy.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  It's like not organized. It's, it's, it wants to be respected as a sport, but it's not organized that way.

• 1:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's so many sanctioning bodies, you know?

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I say clean them out.

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  Clean out those sanctioning bodies.

• 1:08:34Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to do though, because if someone's offering someone a world title fight, they can make so much more money as a world champion. You know, like you win the WBO, let's say, like, Canelo vacates some titles and the guy picks it up. He's still a WBO champion, or a WBC champion, or WBA, or IBF, or IBO. But that's the problem, is that there's so many world champions. Whereas in MMA, like, you can be a Bellator world champion, but everybody knows you're not really the world champion unless you're the UFC world champion, in terms of public perception. There's guys I think that were Bellator champions that could have won in the UFC at that same weight class. And there's guys that did, like Eddie Alvarez came over from Bellator. He was a world champion and he won the world title in the UFC.

• 1:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Guys did it, but the reality is, most people think of a world champion as a UFC champion. But in boxing, the WBA champion is thought exactly the same way as the WBC champion. Depends on who it is.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, if like Tyson has, if it was Mike Tyson in the early days and he had the WBC belt and you had a WA belt, you weren't the champion. Mike Tyson was the champion, everybody knew it. But other than those kind of examples, you know, where there's one guy that's just the ultimate in that weight class, a world championship is worth a lot of money. So it's hard for guys to say no and just say, look, I'm only gonna fight for the Ring Magazine belt. That's what the Saudis own and they're gonna make everybody fight everybody and it's gonna be the most amount of money. Because I think that's what they're kind of angling towards.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Structuring it differently?

• 1:10:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Because that's what needs, I mean, in my opinion, that's what needs to happen. Needs to be structured differently and there needs to be like, the fights need to be forced and you know what? You have to let go of the draw a little bit. Like, well, this fight is not gonna, it doesn't matter if it draws or not. We need this fight to happen.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  So that we can get the best champion.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So we can get the real champion here.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  So it doesn't matter if it's not technically a good matchup.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  It has to be forced.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  It means something to be the number one contender. It means something. But then, if you do that, you never get fights like Tyson Fury versus Francis Ngannou. Right? You only get those fights, those fun fights, if someone's like, okay, let's just try this.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Right, but I think that's what, um, they're like prop fights. I don't know if I call them that, but like what Floyd is doing now, Mayweather? He's like, he kinda deserves to do that. Like, he's like outside, he's retired and he's like, I'm putting on these fights. And if he can get paid for them, good for him.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? But that's outside of what we consider real competition.

• 1:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, this is different because Floyd's 50.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  This is a different thing.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  But when you're talking about-

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  And what Jake is doing too. What Jake Paul is doing too. He's like, I challenged this guy and it's like, that's fine and that's fun.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  But is that the highest level of, if he fought Betterbeef? Or the Anthony Joshua thing is crazy to me too. But it's like, if he fought Betterbeef, it's like-

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Betterbeef would be the fight. That would be the fight. That would be fun to watch. Because you can't run from Betterbeef.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  He's terrifying.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  He's terrifying and he's-

• 1:11:36Joe Rogan?

  He's 40 too.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Technically sound, he's 40. These guys are all older because of their amateur careers.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, Usik's 38, which is also crazy. He's in his prime at 38. But I think a big part of that, it speaks to his discipline, that he stays in such insane shape.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Who's that, Usik?

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Usik. Yeah, he doesn't let himself. And Betterbeef as well. There's some amazing videos of Betterbeef. Very similar kinda training methods. Like, it's Russians and Ukrainians and, you know, Betterbeef is Chechen. It's like, these guys-

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Chechen, Muslim, doesn't drink, disciplined.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Lifestyle. And then it's funny because they ask these guys about, who's your favorite boxer? He's like, I really don't watch it. This is my job.

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  He goes, this is my job. This is my job. I come, I do my job. I go home to my family.

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. You don't watch boxing?

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  You don't watch boxing.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. You're one of the best ever. You don't watch boxing?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Who's the kid, who's the Denver Nuggets guy? Who's the, um, he's another guy who says that after they won the NBA championship.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Jokic.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Jokic, he's another guy who, he won the NBA championship. He's like, nah, it's fun. It's fun. We celebrate and then go home with my family now. I don't think about basketball.

• 1:12:39Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't even get emotional when he wins, but his horse won and he broke down crying. Oh, you see it? There it is. Emotionally celebrates after his horse wins a race.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  That's so great.

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

  So his horse won a race and he was fucking crying. He was like, this is the greatest thing of all time. They're gonna be so happy, so happy.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  So if you watch, when they had him in the stand, there's a video of him at, at the end of it. Oh, that's a bad video, but yeah. Nah, that's not a video. That's not the same video. But so when his horse did win, he was like crying and so happy. Meanwhile.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, he wins. It's like something he's been working for his whole life. He's like, ah, I don't know.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's the secret to success. He stays zen about it.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Well, they look at it like it's a job. They prepare mentally and they're, these guys are very mentally tough.

• 1:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  And they prepare for it like a job and then they go and do the job and they're like, this isn't my life. It kinda, it kinda dials back some of the ego on it, which I like.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like, I'm this guy. It's like, nah, I'm doing this. And then when I retire, I'll just be a guy.

• 1:13:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  No one thinks about that in America. Everybody's like, nah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to, and I get it, you know, it's like, I'm gonna go to the next thing. Maybe I can, you know, parlay this into something else or a, a vitamin water.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  I can have a cologne. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like they're trying to parlay it into something else to make more money, but. But I don't know, man. These guys, they have the eye of the tiger.

• 1:13:58Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:25Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:11Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie?

• 1:16:13Joe Rogan?

  This is Serbia? Bro, they're starting fires. What are they doing?

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Flares and fireworks and shit. They're outside.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's an outside basketball game? Doing fireworks. Bro, they have outside basketball games? That's pretty wild too. Wow. It's like, look at this fucking crowd, dude.

• 1:16:32Joe Rogan?

  It's just nuts how, how hyped up they get.

• 1:16:37Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, bro.

• 1:16:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a different world.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  It's so funny. People go, "The Eagles fans are really tough." It's like, "I don't know, how about these guys?"

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Have you ever seen that game that they play? I think it's called Calcio Storico? Calcio Storico? It's like a combination of rugby and MMA. And they do it in Italy, and they do it at a couple other places. They do it in, um, they do in Croatia, too.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Oh, I think I did see that. Yeah, it's like a rugby, right?

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  But it's fighting. So they get together as teams, and they've got a ball. I don't know what the fucking deal is with the ball, but they beat the fucking piss out of each other.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  These guys just look rough.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Animals, like animals. Look at that guy. He's rubbing his hands together. I can't wait to fucking brain somebody. And so these guys stand outside each other, and they're having gang fights. Like, this is the beginning and the end of... There's a ball involved. I don't understand the need for this ball. But look, while these guy, while that ball's moving around, these guys in the middle are just beating the shit out of each other. They're wrestling, they're fucking shooting takedowns, body slamming each other's elbows to the face on the ground. It's nuts. It's the craziest fucking game. Like, this is back when people needed something to do in between war. You know? They needed something to stay sharp. And so they developed a game to make their fucking war ability hone tight while they, you know, ramp up their team.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  The refs are dressed like jesters?

• 1:18:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's probably how cool people dressed back when they invented this.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  But it's interesting. I wonder how they, if they're scoring for the individual fights that they're having.

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  What are you saying, Jamie?

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  I want to see how someone scored. What is the point of this?

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's no point. There's no point. Who's got the ball? What's happening? These guys are just beating each other up. And this guy's grabbing a hold of the fence there. You're allowed to hold the fence? There's like almost no rules.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  If someone scores here, about, like, did they win the fight? Or did they get a... Where's the goal?

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have no idea. I don't think they care about the goal. I think they want to punch you in the face.

• 1:18:42Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's a crazy game.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Well, it's three to two.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, look, this guy gets taken down out of nowhere. He's nowhere near the ball. This guy's mounting him, beating his ass, and the guy runs across with the ball. I don't understand. Look at their stupid shorts. They weren't tights and shit. Like, the clothes they wear are ridiculous. Was that guy got something stuck to his back, like a needle? Look at his back.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  He's got like a piercing, like a, it looks like a fucking...

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, like a pin.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  There's no one stopping the fight either, so this must be part of it.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got like a, a safety pin through his back.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  Maybe he's the captain of the team.

• 1:19:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta pull that off to win. This is nuts.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe that is something.

• 1:19:22Joe Rogan?

  I, I mean, it seems like you just kinda grab that.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy ass sport, man. And look, while the, these guys are mounted on top of each other while the game's going on, guys gabbing, guys in side control, it's chaos.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Full-contact soccer.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Look, this guy's running and the other guy just mounts him, starts beating his ass.

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  It's kinda entertaining.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fucking for sure entertaining. It's violent. Violence is in it. But look, all these guys in the middle, they're not even stopping this guy from running because they're too busy mounting people.

• 1:19:53Joe Rogan?

  And he gets through.

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  I'll score.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  Alright, that guy scored.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you look at, he did it casual. Nutty ass game. But that's the point. It's like, those people from that part of the world.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  They've been involved in some wild shit for a long time. Long time.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  That's Europe. Is it Europe?

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, that is in Florence, I believe. That's Italy.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:20:17Joe Rogan?

  But I know, like I said, they do it, uh, they do that in Croatia as well. That same sport.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  There's just hard people out there in the world while we're all arguing over pronouns in Twitter bio.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  We're arguing with each other on, that's really funny. It's like arguing with each other on Twitter and those guys are doing that. That's what Twitter would look like if it was physical.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sort of. It'd be a lot of guys crying.

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Are you on the Twitter? Do you, do you?

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Nah, I used to, I used-

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Have you figured out a way to stay off of it?

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Nah, I'm off of it. But I used to write jokes on it. And now it's like just... That doesn't benefit you to write jokes on it anymore. Now it's confrontation is what the algorithm loves, so unless you're trying to... At least the way that, that's the way I view it. It's like, unless you're trying to take somebody down or have an argument, that spurs the algorithm, so I don't wanna do any of that.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nonsense.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  I'm focused on front-facing Instagram videos now.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Front-facing?

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do, you're talking to your phone. That's what people love now.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that what you're doing?

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  I have to do, I have to do it to promote my shows. Well, the Ozzy Osbourne death is crazy, right, guys? Prince of Darkness?

• 1:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's one of those things?

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, yeah, talk about whatever.

• 1:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Comment on stuff?

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Comment. It's kind of like what Twitter was, but I don't know, it's always changing. And you hear that this is what is getting views and, yeah, you're trying to sell tickets.

• 1:21:36Joe Rogan?

  I get it. I get it, but, I mean, I'm glad I don't have to do it.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I put stand-up clips. Stand-up clips is really my bread and butter.

• 1:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the big thing.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Joe Rogan?

  A great stand-up clip will push you right into headliner, if you're a beginning comic, like even before you're ready. There's guys that are like, like, you know, they start out, they've been doing comedy for three years, they got a good 10 minutes. And they put that 10 minutes online, and boom, they take off. Now you have to write a whole hour.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Outside of that 10 minutes. And you have to headline, like, it's just a rush job to kind of get it through, but...

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  You have to figure out how to fill that space. Everybody has different challenges, so the guys who do that, then they're filling clubs. And now they got to figure out how to get people their money's worth in those clubs.

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  You have to construct a real hour.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  You have to construct an hour, or like, say you got famous off crowd work or something, it's like, that's mostly what you're doing then, crowd work.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  That's different. That you can do. Like, that's pretty easy. Not easy, but you can fill time. Whereas like, if you're, the hardest for me, I think, not for me, but I don't do it, but the hardest, in my opinion, is non-sequitur guys. You know, guys like Steven Wright?

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, that kind of thing, like, one absurd non-sequitur into another, there's no, like, through line.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  It's all just like, things that are totally unrelated, here's another thing I noticed, you know?

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  So hard to write an hour that way.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. Like, I think Steven Wright and the other one was Mitch Hedberg, he's a very similar style.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Non-sequiturs.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Fantastic, too.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  But, uh, very hard and time-consuming to put an hour together that way.

• 1:23:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, I mean, you have to write if you're doing that.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  But those clips, I mean, those clips do well, you know, if you put work into the clip, the... Trick of it is developing the material fast enough in order to put it out.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like that you're not coming that every, you're not coming up with that every day. And I don't know if the general public realizes that. You're almost better off loot for online loosely talking about a subject and putting that up.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  Rather than really sitting in the pocket and developing it the way that we do.

• 1:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, cuz a lot of times like it's a, well, the guys are like really good at ranting. Like Burr is really good at it and Tim Dillon's the best at it.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Where they just take a subject and rant. That's a great premise factory because you're going on these rants for, you know, with Dillon. He'll do a rant for like an hour.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Couple of minutes in there, you could probably develop into material.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:05Joe Rogan?

  And then you're doing that all the time, so you're.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  But the thing is you have to stop, that's the thing with journaling. People like, you should journal, and I tried it, I tried a different technique, like get up and just journal. Don't worry about the jokes, just journal every day. So you're journaling every day and it's like now you have a lot of premises, but none of it's developed. So you can't journal every day. Then when you have like a week of journaling, it's like now you have to go back through the journal and you have to see what's, you have to pull it out and then develop these ideas.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  When you say journaling, so you sit down and write, you write about your life?

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Or you write about, okay.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Write about your life, or if like you write about a topic that you're interested in, that's gnawing at you. But there's so many funny or potentially funny things that happen to you every day that if you would just journal, you bring it to light. And you, but if you don't journal, it's kind of like these things just.

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  They slip away.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  They slip away, but if you journal and it's like, oh, that was funny, that was funny. Just, just getting on a plane now is hilarious. You know, there's so many different things and you interact with so many different, you, just these small interactions with people and it's just, it's a, you know, something that could go south. You know, it could go south, it could be okay. And I got off the plane coming here. It just gets me every time. It happens almost every time I travel. I think I'm drawing it to me. It's like, there's a natural progression of how the plane deboards. It's like, people from the seats, they just get off the plane according to where your seat is. You're getting off first if you're closer to the entrance of the plane. That's the way it's designed to go.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  There's always somebody who runs, gets their bag and runs to the front of the plane. And you're like, what are you doing, dude? We all wanna get off. Unless you have a connecting flight, we all wanna get off. What are you doing?

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  I know. People get mad at those people. There was a video recently where a lady did that and people were yelling at her.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it turns into a great clip.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Somebody videos it and it's an altercation and it turns into a viral clip.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  How about that lady that said that like someone on the plane wasn't real? Remember that?

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  She's like, she's like, shape shifting?

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  I bet she's a lot of fun. I bet that lady's a lot of fun.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  I bet she's great. She's really fun at parties. He's like, there's an imaginary person and then they're like, there was no imaginary person. I was like, I was having a bad day.

• 1:26:22Joe Rogan?

  Not just imaginary person, but yell it out in the middle of a plane that's in the sky. Was it already in the sky?

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Or did she get kicked off the plane when it was on the ground?

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  I think it was in the sky.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  So it was before? Was it in the sky?

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  I think it was.

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you're on the plane with a lady that says that someone's not real and you go, okay, one of two things is going on here. Either she's nuts or I'm in a horror movie, right? Cause if she's right, you know, and like you look back, you're like, hey, what's going on with that guy's skin? It's like, it starts bursting and fucking separating and it's like John Carpenter's thing, like, fuck!

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Turns out she was right. He wasn't real. He was morphing into something else.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the odds of that are very small, but in movies, it's very high. So it's like, it's hard. You gotta take it with a grain of salt. She might be right. Imagine if she was right? Oh, God, you have to find out. And there's no communication on a plane. The plane just goes in the middle of the ocean. There's a fucking person who turns into an insect on board and starts attacking everybody. Or a chestburster, like from that movie Alien. Fuck! Why did it have to be me?

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Anything can happen.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  And then nobody believes it.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  No one believes it.

• 1:27:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then it becomes a conspiracy theory that people like autistic people obsess about on the internet. They know what happened and then.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  But that's a good, they never follow up with what actually happened to her. What's her life like now?

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  She's on a podcast with Conor McGregor.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's popping up in his place. She was on Barstool doing stuff there for a while.

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but she's doing something with Conor McGregor. That's why I brought her up.

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, he posted her today that she's gonna be at his.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Maybe she could do something with the Hawk Two girl. You know what I mean? Maybe, maybe they could, um, cause her career has kinda.

• 1:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they could both go to Gaza and solve all the food problems. They could figure it out.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  What is, so what's he doing?

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  We'll put our best people on it.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  She's going to the, the inn that he owns?

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's just like, you know, like an appearance or something like that.

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  She does appearances?

• 1:28:17Speaker 03

  She's, that's it. She's been on the internet now for, that was two, two years ago.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  That's very funny. That's very funny. She complained about somebody disappearing and now she's doing appearances.

• 1:28:25Joe Rogan?

  She probably sells better than Joe List. It's a travesty.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  How's that? She, uh.

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  There she is.

• 1:28:30Speaker 03

  She's described as a marketing executive too, so I don't know that that was fake, but you know, she definitely ran with it.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Crazy plane lady, uh, after she had a meltdown on a flight in 2023. What did she say she saw?

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  That's, I was reading through it cause there's a, they did do a follow up here where there's, there's police.

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Is that her down there?

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she's hot.

• 1:28:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Why does she not, why does she look completely different?

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  That always helps, Joe. That always helps if she's hot.

• 1:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, look at that photo, the initial photo of her. Start at the top. How does that become, scroll down? How does it become that? What happened? That looks like a different person.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Plane outfit.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Scroll down though.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Makeover.

• 1:29:05Joe Rogan?

  Lost some weight. Tightened everything up.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  She's making the best out of it. Okay, so what is she saying?

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  Oh, not, I mean, different, this is.

• 1:29:13Joe Rogan?

  She's in the spotlight. She's remained in the spotlight since, appearing on podcasts, YouTube shows, and giving tours of her sleek Texas home. Oh, she's Texas crazy. Even better. Even better. That's armed crazy.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  Here is when it actually happened and they followed her out and I was trying to read through here.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  So what was she saying? I don't care if I ever fly with y'all again. I just want to know what happens to this flight here.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  I'm not crazy, y'all's crazy.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, do not let that flight leave. This flight's not gonna make it to Orlando. It's not going to. Looking out the windows as they escort her, Goma says, there's a lot of people on that flight. Like she, so she really believes that there's something on that flight. Maybe she took an edible. Maybe someone slipped her a Mickey. Like, what did she say she saw?

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  That's, I know that she was smart enough for a while to milk it and tell you like, you know, I'll tell you on this next podcast what was really real.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  That motherfucker's not real, she said. And she's 38, so it's like a MILF. MILF kinda crazy.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  But imagine if you're the guy, she's saying that you're not real and you're just right there.

• 1:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, just chilling.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Like, you're not real. It's like, but...

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Chilling with a hoodie on, trying to watch a YouTube video on your phone, this fucking crazy bitch is screaming at you.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  That's a great, that's a great story. That's what I'm talking about journaling. What if you sit next to her on a plane? She flips out, tells you you're not real.

• 1:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Gift that would be if you could tell the audience that you were a guy that was on the flight with that motherfucker's not real lady?

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  Here's the quote she said, which is, she thought the plane was gonna blow up.

• 1:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Why? I'm getting the fuck off, and there's a reason why I'm getting the fuck off. That motherfucker back there is not real. You can sit on this plane and you can fucking die with them or not, I'm not going to. Like, what? Who's not real? Who's the guy?

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  I mean, motherfucker could have been anything.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Look at her out there talking to the cops. Look at her, she's got her phone. She's pointing her phone at the cops.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  I don't think she got arrested. I think she calmly explained to the cops that someone wasn't real.

• 1:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so funny. Who's the guy, though? I wanna know who the guy is.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  That guy's not real.

• 1:31:11Joe Rogan?

  That's the guy we should be interviewing.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, she's just trying to... She appears more lucid at this point, but remains combative with officers. One says to her, "I can tell you're having a bad day. We're not trying to make it any worse," to which she responds, "My dad's a cop. Fuck you, dude."

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  That's got nothing to do with anything. "My dad's a cop." I love that.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  She got into the evidence room, Jack. There's something, something happened there. That's very funny.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  I wanna know who the guy is.

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  She could have been saying, "Motherfucker," not as a person, could have been point, I don't know, you know? The plane, the back of the plane's not real, something down there's not real.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  I like how she blurts, "I might never fly again."

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  This bitch.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  It's like threatening us.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  That might not be your choice. Fucking psycho.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  I'll take the bus.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Who's gonna put you on a plane when you said that someone's not real?

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  There you go. The incident, something about her AirPods losing and she accused someone of stealing them.

• 1:32:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, then it just doesn't follow up on that.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Hmm, oh, that could be, somebody, oh, that could be. That actually makes some sense, where it's like that someone stole her eye, her.

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  So she thought the plane was gonna crash, cuz someone stole her iPad? It doesn't make any sense.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Well, it rolls deep.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  She's saying the plane is gonna go down, they're not gonna live, everyone's gonna die cuz someone stole her iPods? None of that makes any sense. She's kooky. She's fun.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's very fun.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. She probably gets on tables at bars, you know what I mean?

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  She's probably one of them.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Well, she's successful now. Oh, she's the girl at the comedy club. It's my birthday!

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, she'd be the best in the front row. You would, you'd be so happy.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  She's gonna come to your shows now.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  No, but that's, it's really something, it's a, it's reflective of our society, is that she parlayed that into some level of fame. I'm sure she has a podcast, I'm sure she has all kinds of like, you know, that's her character now.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  Conor McGregor was Instagramming about her today, so there you go. Yeah, and the Hawk Tua girl, I mean, she made it all the way to a pump and dump Hawk Tua coin. You ever hear Metzger talk about it? He's got the fucking best bit about it, about the Hawk Tua coin.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  No. I saw him last night, though.

• 1:33:27Joe Rogan?

  He's such a lunatic. I love that dude. He's so funny. He's just so nuts, but he had this, like, like, who would've thought? Who would've thought that would be a ripoff? The Hawk Tua coin?

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you just...

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  He was connecting Taylor Swift to Epstein? I saw him last night, he's like, "Taylor Swift? You don't think that there's something in the lights at those concerts that make you have amnesia?" I'm like, Kurt, I don't, I don't know, Kurt. I've known you for 20 years.

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, serious?

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's connected, he's connected, and then, and then Tommy Pope, who I love.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, the lights give you amnesia? This is what you're saying?

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, he brought it up. I said, "No, no, Kurt, I never..." I said, "Kurt, I never heard of that." And he goes, "No, no, it's real, it's..." And then he brought it up on his phone, and sure enough, it was on his, it was... The lights, they pay hundreds of dollars for these tickets, and then the lights at the Taylor Swift concert make you forget that you were at a concert. They make you have amnesia.

• 1:34:21Joe Rogan?

  How is that possible?

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  I don't know, what's even, uh, crazier to me is how he connected it to Epstein, but he did it.

• 1:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Transient global amnesia, Taylor Swift fans report post-concert forgetfulness.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Maybe the plane girl wasn't, wasn't wrong.

• 1:34:36Joe Rogan?

  But here's my take on this. She is in this rare air right now, like the Beatles, like Elvis in his prime, where it's an emotional experience being in her presence.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:34:49Joe Rogan?

  If you're a Taylor Swiftie. Those fans are diehards. She sells out stadiums.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Multiple shows in stadiums, right? I think it's probably so emotional for them when they're standing in front of her and she's singing, that afterwards, they're so spent and racked, they're probably like, "What happened?" It's probably like such a crazy experience.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  The Beatles had that effect on Elvis. The women would be like crying and shaking.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  They'd faint. Michael Jackson in his prime. They'd faint. People would faint if they saw him live. They'd faint.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:29Joe Rogan?

  Banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. That's way more likely than the CIA.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  But what about the lights causing seizures?

• 1:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Guarantee you, I'd go to that fucking concert and I'd come out with a perfect memory. Okay? Not that I don't like Taylor Swift, but I like some of her songs. I really do. One of her songs is on "Nobody No Crime." It's a great fucking song. It's on our Spotify playlist.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  But it wouldn't cause you to have amnesia?

• 1:38:01Joe Rogan?

  I'd be fine. I'd be fine. I'd say, "What a great show. She's really talented."

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:06Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't go, "What happened? What happened?" But I'll tell you what, I did see the Rolling Stones when they were at Coda, and I felt like I was on a drug. Like, I didn't feel like it was real. Like, when they went out onto that stage, Mick Jagger's on that stage, "Button your lip, baby." Like, you're like, "I can't believe he's real." Like, I was standing there with my friend Bobby, who owns the racetrack, and I was going, "I don't feel like I'm really here. This feels like a drug. This feels crazy." Like, I'm watching Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  And they're live.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  They're right there.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like, and there's like 100,000 people. It was a huge fucking crowd.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:46Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "This is nuts, man. This feels fake." So, I'm probably not, I'm a giant Rolling Stones fan, but I'm probably not as big a Rolling Stones fan as these Swifties are.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, they're her god, or she's their god, rather. Like, you go to see that-

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  But for that to be enough of a thing to warrant an article on the internet?

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Bah!

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  I mean, that's pretty crazy.

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  Somebody at Yell wanted to start a study on it. I'm trying to see if.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Of course they did.

• 1:39:11Speaker 03

  Followed up on it.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  I want to know what they do. Are they a gender studies professor?

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  What kind of scholarship have you got to to get that position? Do you happen to have a certain heritage that's profitable? What are you doing?

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  But yeah, I didn't think it was a thing either. And Kurt is like. Kurt's a great comic, man. He's so.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a very funny guy.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  And he's great. But it's like five minutes into the conversation. I'm like, I don't even, Kurt, I don't know what you're saying. I don't know where.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Everybody is a CIA plant. Everybody is like, you've been put there by the Rockefellers or. I'm so glad he and I are friends and we've been friends for so long that he doesn't think I'm some sort of a plant. That'd be a real problem.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  That would be something.

• 1:39:56Joe Rogan?

  If Kurt leans in on you, he really thinks.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Oh, you don't think?

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, you don't think?

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Oh, you don't think?

• 1:40:01Joe Rogan?

  You don't know? You don't know about the thing that happened in 73? You don't know about the Kissinger thing? The Kissinger thing? You don't know?

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  It's like, Kurt, I don't. I don't know any of this, Kurt.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  I can't. I tell him sometimes before I go onstage. I'm like, I have to be onstage in five minutes. I can't do this. Right now, I can't do this. I'll be in my head with what you said onstage going, what the fuck is going on? Is he right? I'll be Googling shit. Is this true?

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Hey, Kurt, I love you, but not right now.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I tell him all the time. He'll fucking corner you, dude. He'll corner you. And he looms over you. He's a big goon.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Six five.

• 1:40:33Joe Rogan?

  Fucking goon.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  Kurt's six five. And then he went onstage and destroyed, destroyed in the funniest way. It's like completely original.

• 1:40:40Joe Rogan?

  He's ready to do a special. He's gonna do a special and film it at the club. I'm very excited. Very excited about that. He's the man. We've got a great crew down here. It's really fun.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  I was there last night, man. It was awesome.

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  How many days are you in town for?

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  I'm out now.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  You're out now, tonight?

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  But I'm gonna come back and try to do some more podcasts.

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  Cool?

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  Cool. Yeah, there's a lot here now. A lot of people are here now. Duncan Trussell's here now.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  But I've headlined the club several times and I love it every time, man.

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  It's fun place.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  I text you every time I'm here. I'm like, it's the best, man. It's awesome.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Very happy. That makes me very happy. And that's what we wanted to do. And I feel super lucky that we pulled it off. It's hard to do, you know? A lot of things have to line up perfectly to be able to get a club like that.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:23Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of the staff. That's a huge part of it.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  And but you could, you could tell it was designed by a comic.

• 1:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  The club, you know?

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, designed by me, but also with a lot of input from everybody else. Like Hinchcliffe had a lot of input, Louis CK had a lot of input, Brian Simpson had a lot of input. All the guys that are regulars at the club, Ron White, everybody had their say. Like I was, I basically said, I don't have like a absolute fixed position on anything. Tell me what you think.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  And so a lot of the stuff, like the lights inside the green room, when the light goes on.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  That's fantastic.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  For each room, so you know who's got the light.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  The time.

• 1:42:02Joe Rogan?

  The time that someone's on stage, both from the stage and from the green room. All that, like I think the lights were Tony's idea. I think the time might have been Simpson's idea. So it's all like, everybody had their own say in what, what we do. Louis told me to lower the ceiling in the little room and in the big room, I did that. He told me to make the stage smaller in the little room, I did that. Like I did whatever anybody said. Like Louis was like, you need more sound deadening, you should put carpet down. Forget about, the, the bounce that you get from the loudness of the echo does make it louder, but it also makes it a little hard to hear what you're saying. Like, you're right. And so we did everything everybody wanted, every, every suggestion.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  The acoustics and the low ceilings are key, man.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  It's everything. Low ceilings, everything.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  The crispness of what you're saying. Especially if you're like a softer spoken guy.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  And you're following somebody who's like a yeller.

• 1:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  You adjust the sound, but it's still, it's like the crispness matters.

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. It's gotta be clear. And you know, it took us a while to dial everything in, the right volume and you know, the lighting. So the light was like, sometimes the audience would be lit up a little bit too much. Like now you gotta darken that, you gotta do that. Took a little while, but once we dialed it in, man, it's been pretty smooth for like, we were going on, it'll be our third year in March.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy, it's like seamless, it just happened.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  And the big room is great, it's great to headline that, but I just popped in at the small room last night and that's, that's really great.

• 1:43:25Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the best rooms in the world.

• 1:43:26Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, to work out, like you can, you really have the freedom to sit there and like, play with and work out the material. And that's kind, that's really what you need, you need like.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  You need an experimental place where you can fail a little bit.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  Where you can fuck around.

• 1:43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  And that, that little room is like the chamber of truth. Because like if you've got some bullshit in your act and there's only a hundred people in the room, it seems obvious. You know, you're like, ew.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  But that's like the old Boston Comedy Club in New York.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  Remember that place?

• 1:43:55Joe Rogan?

  Exactly like that, yeah.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  So it's like the last days of the Boston, there's, it looks like a log cabin in the back, you know? And then there's like, you know, during the wintertime, when I first got there, 2004, it's like there'd be four people, five people, you know, comics would barf people in. And it's like, you had to...

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  And the Belly Room, the Belly Room at the store, have you ever done that?

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:44:15Joe Rogan?

  The Belly Room was amazing. So good for that. Cause Belly Room, I think, is really only supposed to have like 70 people in it. And a lot of times it's way over that.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Especially for roast battle. Like they'd do roast battle sometimes and I'd be in the kitchen and I'd be like, has anybody ever checked to make sure this fucking ceiling?

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  It's a fire hazard?

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Can support all those folks? Cause people would jump around and you would like...

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  You'd hear it.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  You'd hear it and be like, oh, it would suck if this caved in. Cause that fucking building's so old.

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that building, well, our building's even older, the mothership, but at least it's been like rebuilt. But that building at the store, that was Ciro's nightclub in the 1950s, right? When was Ciro's? And then it was the Comedy Store from the 70s. So like, nobody's like, checked to see if those beams are any good. Like, kind of fucking termites and shit eaten through. Cause at one point in time, the wall, the back wall behind it was in danger.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Because the, the, the hill was collapsing. And so they had to reinforce with like steel rebar and giant beams and shit.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  It's funny because if something did happen, everybody would think it was a prank. They would go, oh, this is a, this has gotta be some kind of a prank. It's like, no, this, the ceiling actually.

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  So in 1940, Ciro's became a popular night spot for celebrities. 1940. Nightclub closed in 1960, was reopened as a rock club in 65, after a few name changes, became the Comedy Store in 72. Wow. Club Seville, was that what it was before Club Seville? So it was Club Seville in 1935. It opened New Year's Eve in 1935. It featured a crystal dance floor with a subsurface, with subsurface fish. So there's fish underneath the dance floor, fountains and colored lights in its crystal marine room. The building was remodeled and in January 1940, Ciro's was opened. Wow, crazy. That's not, a lot of people were whacked in that place.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  And no renovations have been done since. Oh, Bugsy Siegel.

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  It was Bugsy Siegel's joint. That was the thing. Like every, people got whacked in that place. That's why a lot of people believe that it's haunted.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, that's really.

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's got a weird energy to it, man.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  That place has the weirdest fucking energy. Yeah, the weirdest, the weirdest energy. You know, it's.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  That's, that's awesome, man.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  It's got history.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Massive, massive history in that building. Like you feel it in the walls.

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:39Joe Rogan?

  I believe that. It sounds like, what is that? Ciro, Jimi Hendrix? Oh my God, 65 Ciro's reopened as the rock club Ciro's La Disc. Ike and Tina Turner performed at the newly opened club with Jimi Hendrix as part of their band. Holy shit, man. The Byrds got their start at Ciro's in 1965. Accounts of the period reproducing the sleeve notes to the pre-flight sessions box set described a church-like atmosphere with interpretive dancing. Ew. The club also served as the host during the recording of 1965 Dick Dale album, Rock Out with Dick Dale and His Deltones.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  Boy, people were lame before the internet.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:47:25Speaker 03

  Look at the other two names for it. The Kaleidoscope, It's Boss?

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Kaleidoscope in 68, and then it was called It's, It's Boss in 69, and known as The Patch. Oh, in 69, it was known as The Patch 2. And then the Store from 72.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Until present.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, because comedy, comedy was done in like jazz clubs and stuff, right? Or like poetry readings before this.

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  You know what the oldest comedy club in the country is?

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  The Ice House.

• 1:47:53Speaker 01

  Is it really?

• 1:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Ice House in Pasadena.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  I did not know that.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Ice House in Pasadena was, uh, it was like the oldest running club. So it was like, uh, I think it was a music club at first. And then, well, at first it started as an, uh, an actual ice house.

• 1:48:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:48:09Joe Rogan?

  Back when people didn't have freezers. You would get a giant chunk of ice from Alaska or some shit. And they put it in, you know, like insulated giant steel boxes and transport to cities. And you would be able to go to there and buy ice for your icebox. And you'd put it, you know, in an insulated box in your home and that's like, keep your milk cold. Like, literally, that's what an ice house was.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  And so then it became, I think it was a rock club for a little while, and then it became a comedy club. Earlier than the store. When did the Ice House first start doing comedy? I think it's the longest running stand-up comedy club in the world. I'm pretty sure they were like, early seventies, late sixties. They started doing stand-up there.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  But they remodeled now. I haven't been to the new one.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  Are you on the road at all now?

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  No. No, even my last special, I did it all just working out.

• 1:49:04Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  At the club, and then I did the special in San Antonio.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  I fucking hate traveling, man. I'm done. Oldest, nineteen sixty.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:49:14Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen sixty. But I think in the beginning, it wasn't a comedy club. I think in the beginning, it was something else. I think it was like a rock club. But I think that was only for like a few years. So maybe like sixty-two was a... So what does it say? Sixty to seventy-eight, the Ice House was a folk musi... Oh, so seventy-eight.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it's not the oldest comedy club.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Well, comedy, they did comedy.

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Many comedians also appeared in the club in nineteen seventy-eight. The original owners were bought out by a trio of investors led by Bob Fisher. Shout out to Bob, my homie, who changed the format of the club to stand-up comedy. So Bob was a comic. So in seventy-eight, he changed it to s- flat comedy.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  So it was kind of like a hodgepodge in like seventy-two? It was mixed like musical performers and like, uh, comedians?

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Boy, before they remodeled, it was the, the greatest club. It was so good that you couldn't use it, like if you wanted to do an audition tape. People wouldn't accept audition tapes at the Ice House, because everybody killed there.

• 1:50:13Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:50:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  That's how good it was. That's how good the environment was. It was that good.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  See, we'd go there and kill and then you'd go to other clubs and just bomb.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  People go, no, no, no, that's Ice House. It's too easy there.

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  That's how good it was. Isn't that nuts?

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Why would you fix that? Why would you change that at all? If you have that formula, where it's so good that people don't allow you to use tapes from there?

• 1:50:40Speaker 01

  You'd just shoot every special there.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  I would never touch it. I would keep it exactly the same way it is forever. And if I bought that place, I would find the old blueprints. I'd be like, we're tearing down all this shit and bringing it right. I want to find where the old floor is. Do you have the old floor anywhere? Did you guys save the old floor?

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  It had to be something about the people, though. Going there, too.

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Pasadena is like more relaxed.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, LA, everybody thinks they're famous. Everybody's like, I should be up there, you know? A lot of industry assholes who don't care about people on stage, arms crossed.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  And everybody's an influencer now, so it's like, that's the thing.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Even worse. But even back then, everybody wanted to be famous. Whereas Pasadena, it's just regular people. It's like a road gig. You know, so it's fun.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:21Joe Rogan?

  They're relaxed. Pasadena was like the place where the producers would live. Like, the stars would all live in the Hollywood Hills and the producers would all move out to Pasadena and have like normal lives in the early days of Hollywood. So there's these beautiful houses out there.

• 1:51:34Speaker 01

  But that's where you would want to do well, I would imagine, back in the day when there was industry and they cared if someone was talented or not. You'd want to go in front of a a crowd that was, they lived there, so they would come out and then they would see you crush and they would be like, this guy should have a show!

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I don't think they went to those clubs.

• 1:51:49Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  No, I think it was like more the people that lived there. I don't think it was ever an industry thing, which is why it was so good. You know, because it was just, was funny. It was just comedy. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, this is my shot at getting a sitcom.

• 1:52:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, which is like a lot of the clubs in LA.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  You had that for a lot of years. Like, you never know who's in the audience. Wear a suit!

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, wear a suit and don't do new material. Like, it was the worst.

• 1:52:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  And Mitzi stopped all that shit. She put a stop to all that shit. She wanted you to do new stuff. Like, she, she forced it. She's like, you can't just develop a 10 minute set and do the same goddamn set over and over again, hoping that's gonna lead you to a show.

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  Plus, that's torture anyway. It's torture for the comic to do that anyway, to not try anything else, just to go up and do the same 10 minutes. That's crazy.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  They all did it. A lot of guys did it. Cause that was the thing back then. It's like, if you could pull that off, and you could get a sitcom, you could be Tim Allen, you know? You could be Roseanne. You could be... If you just had something that could package and sell, man, you would, you'd write that Willy Wonka golden ticket.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Now you're in the Hollywood Hills, driving a Mercedes.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's, uh, there's a financial motivation to it, I'm sure.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  But like, it's nice to have rooms that you can go and experiment, and you don't have to feel any of that pressure. And then when you get it tight, then you do your hour. And then people can look at that.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's the great thing about the Austin scene right now is just on our street alone, there's five full-time comedy clubs.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  On the street, really?

• 1:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, within five minutes. A five-minute walk of my club, there's five clubs. First, there's really good ones, like The Creek. The Creek in the Cave is great.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  That's just just up the street.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  It's a block away. And then you have The Sunset Room, which is like five doors down. Great room. And then you have, um, Vulcan, great room. Couple doors down. You have The Velveta Room, which is a smaller room I haven't been to, but that's got a long history to it. There's a bunch of other ones too, that I don't even know about.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  I was not happy to see The Creek out here.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  I played The Creek before Rebecca.

• 1:53:52Joe Rogan?

  They got a great room too. It's a perfect little room. It's really tight, tight seating, great stage.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Now, what's going on on, um, Sixth Street after, like, late night?

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Murder.

• 1:54:05Speaker 01

  Every time, every time I work your club, I come out after, you know, everybody's so cool, professional, and they're like, do you need me to walk you back? And I'm like, no, I'm good. And then I'll just stand out there, and I'll just watch it happen.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  I'll watch it happen, and I'll go, how is this happening? How is this legal? Like, the cops are just standing in, they're not in SWAT gear, but they're all standing in a line on either end of the street. And it's just, the bars are blaring music. And I just take video of it on my phone. I don't even post it. I just take it just because I can't believe what's happening. And what, what's the business model behind that? Because people then, it's like, it slowly descends and then you see people getting arrested.

• 1:54:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  And then they're being taken away. And then they go back and then they're just sitting there waiting for the next crazy thing to kick off. So I guess it's just the bars making money or wanting to make money?

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  From young, young drunk people?

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  It was all dangerous. You know, there was no, like, good spot to go to.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  In that spot. We're in the dirty area of the Sixth Street. If you go to, I guess it's, uh, what's the nice area? Is that east or west, Jamie? West. West. West is really nice. You get out to West Six, great restaurants, like, it's real nice. It gets, like, very safe.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  We're in the area where it's super sketchy.

• 1:55:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  But other cities are doing that, too. I was, like, in Baltimore, working the Port Comedy Club, which is a very, it's a very cool club. But in that area, too, it's like, it's just, it looks like there's just mayhem happening in a designated area. And I'm wondering what the mentality of the city government is there, you know? And it just looks nuts. And, but it looks like somebody's letting it happen in this contained area. I hate to put on my cop hat right now.

• 1:55:54Joe Rogan?

  No, they are letting it happen. That's why Sixth Street is closed off to traffic. They're walking around.

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  And they're letting people walk around. And they're all hammered.

• 1:56:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  So they're letting people walk around drunk and there's taco trucks everywhere.

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  And it's fun. It's fun. If you're young, it's fun.

• 1:56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  You just don't want to hear pop, pop, pop.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to hear guns break out because it's happened a few times down there. Because there's a bunch of, uh... You know, very shady people who go down there as well because it's a fun place to be seen. You know, and a bunch of people go down there and it's all kinds of walks of life.

• 1:56:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:56:26Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's hammered. And I'm sure there's a lot of drug use and.

• 1:56:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:30Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of maniacs.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  It just seems very young and very volatile.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  It's also a exciting place to have a comedy club. Because all the chaos of the street is like you're crackling by the time you get through the door. Like woo, we're inside now, you know, and it's, it's fun. And, you know, we obviously have a very tight security system because of that.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because of that.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you don't want that bleeding into the club.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  No, look at this. What's going on here?

• 1:56:53Speaker 03

  That's one of the nightly fights that happens there.

• 1:56:55Joe Rogan?

  People are fighting?

• 1:56:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can go out there any night you want.

• 1:56:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we don't need to see this.

• 1:56:59Speaker 03

  I'm just showing you guys.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna slap this guy.

• 1:57:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're gonna fight. But before that, you know, chaos in the streets.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, chaos and shitty pizza. Look at these people. Fighting and brawling. Yeah, a lot of drugs, a lot of psychos. Oh, girls in slides. Girl lost her shoe. Maniacs.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  I want to ride that bull next time I'm in town.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a bull on the street?

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a mechanical bull right.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  You have a bad back. What are you doing? Why are you gonna ride a bull? What are you fucking crazy?

• 1:57:26Speaker 01

  It might stretch it out.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  You can get hurt bad, too.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Can you?

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  From a, from a bull?

• 1:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. People get KO'd, they break arms. Yeah.

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  I gotta make sure my health.

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Hey, you fall on it funny, your fucking elbow snaps sideways. Yeah, no good. Don't do it. How old are you?

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  Fifty-two.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of here. You're not riding a bull. Listen to me, I'm in my 50s too. I'm almost 60. Don't ride a bull.

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  But just as a bucket list thing?

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  If that's on your bucket list, you need a new bucket list.

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  Mechanical bull?

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  I wanna ride the mechanical bull. Ride a fucking real bull. You really wanna ride a bull? Go ride a real one. And if you live, you're like, I did it. And if you have a limp for the rest of your life, you go, well, that was dumb. And that's if you're lucky. If you don't get a horn up your asshole. Because definitely that happens. I've seen a lot of those.

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I saw a matador one.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  That's an embarrassing copay.

• 1:58:12Joe Rogan?

  You ever see the matador one who got one through the chin? He gets it through the chin and the horn is coming out of his mouth. Yeah, he gets the horn through the bottom of his jaw and it goes through the roof, through here and out his mouth. The horn is popping out of his mouth. Oh my god. Yeah, fuck that. Look at this.

• 1:58:32Speaker 03

  I would know the sorry, I'll show you that. I will do that one first, I guess, sorry.

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, show me that one.

• 1:58:35Speaker 03

  This is crazy, too.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna see that one. I don't wanna see people fly through here.

• 1:58:38Speaker 03

  No, that wasn't, that's, this was Mexican OT doing it.

• 1:58:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh no, Mexican OT, what are you doing?

• 1:58:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, watch what he does. This is insane.

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  I'll just, I'll turn off the music, but letting a rodeo cowboy stand on his back, they're gonna release the bull here.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:58:54Speaker 03

  Ready, one, two, three, bull go.

• 1:58:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:58:58Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, can't hear the music.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Why can't I hear the music?

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  Here goes.

• 1:59:04Joe Rogan?

  No, why did he do that?

• 1:59:08Speaker 03

  He let it go right over his back.

• 1:59:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, don't do that, cuz it didn't have to go over your back.

• 1:59:12Speaker 03

  And he's still fucking with it.

• 1:59:13Joe Rogan?

  And he's fucking with it, he's out of his mind. He's out of his mind. Oh man. Oh my god, he's out of his mind. What was he on? I wanna know what kinda, kinda drugs made him think that was a good idea, cuz he's not like the most spry of foot fella. No. Talented rapper though. Do you know who Mexican OT? No. Oh, he's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker. Apparently. Yeah, well, he's crazy, but his, his rap's awesome. He's great. But, uh, he was a guest on the podcast before, and he's been to the club a few times.

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here's, so this one guy, that guy gets it. So that's running with the bull. That's different. That guy got it through the calf. He's fucked for life. But there's a video, there's a photo of a, uh, there, that guy, there's a guy who got it through the mouth. Just Google Matador takes hoof through, or takes,

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  mammoth, he probably typed mammoth. Yeah, that guy, far left. Look at that. Look at that one. That's a dead man. Like, he's dead. Ah. Yeah, look at that. Through the bottom of his jaw, through his mouth.

• 2:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Did he die?

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Still insisted killing bull. Oh, multiple guys, it's happened to multiple guys? Oh geez.

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's recovering, recovering well for the first guy. Pierced in throat and tongue. I wouldn't say pierced. That's, that's a bit of a euphemism.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  It shot through his face. I don't know if that's pierced.

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Gored. Oh god.

• 2:00:39Speaker 01

  Oh, gored is a good word, only used with bulls.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Suffering infection, that's it? He has to have a lisp or something. Jesus Christ, man. Oh god, right in the ribs. Fuck dude, oh.

• 2:00:52Speaker 01

  That's a fun story.

• 2:00:53Joe Rogan?

  No, that guy probably don't have a story. That's probably a dead guy.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of those guys die.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  Always matador.

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  I mean, these things are so powerful, man. It's so, such a, and he had already stabbed it a bunch of times too. By the time they get out there, that's the other dirty thing about the bullfighting thing. They stabbed that thing with spears.

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Multiple times before it ever even gets out to him. One-eyed matador, who's been injured by bulls some forty times. Once again gored by one of the animals. The guy's trying to die.

• 2:01:25Speaker 01

  He's dedicated.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  He is. I mean, if you're gonna have a vision, he's the matador version of Dave Attell.

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Just on the grind.

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:38Joe Rogan?

  This guy's on the grind. He's got fucking plates and screws.

• 2:01:41Speaker 01

  Just adversity, just overcome adversity.

• 2:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Fake knees, fucking hip replacement. He's probably fucked up, man. If you've been forty times, what are the odds?

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  Forty times?

• 2:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what are the odds you can dance forty times?

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  You can't dance for sure.

• 2:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Can you play pickleball?

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, health insurance in Europe must be different, because I think that stuff's all covered.

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  I wonder. Yeah, imagine you're a matador, getting insurance as a matador?

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  Another bull accident, you come to the emergency room for the 40th time. Another one, do you think you should try another line of work?

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  It's like, probably like California Fire Insurance, like you can't get it.

• 2:02:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  And what do those guys do now? Do they not get it?

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know. It's hard to tell. Jamie, I just sent you another thing that James Lee posted, but it's all the different places where the money went from the fire relief. It went to all these different nonprofits and the people that own the homes haven't gotten it yet. I don't know what's true, what's not true, but there's a lot of reporters are reporting on this. It's just a disturbing lack of transparency and where all the money that was raised went and where it's going. Which is the dirty secret about nonprofits is that there's a bunch of people that work for those nonprofits that get hefty salaries.

• 2:02:51Speaker 01

  Right, they're operating this, under this umbrella.

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Hundred million dollar fire aid concert was never about the fire victims. Became a slush fund for Steve Ballmer, Wallace Enenberg and Irving Azoff's friends with handouts to music orgs. The NAACP, a nonprofit for nonprofits and even a charity tied to Israel.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing, it's like they can just distribute the money to nonprofits. Left wondering where the hundred million dollars from fire aid benefit concert went to. Money directed to 188 different nonprofits. This is nuts, man.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  This is, but this is the problem with nonprofits.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  So this money was supposed to go to rebuild the houses?

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, people just, look, you want to help, right? You hear about a thing that's going to do a benefit for the wildfires, you join in, a bunch of money gets raised, you hope for the best.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  And that's a 50% operating cost.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  It's probably a lot worse than that.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are a lot worse than that because a lot of them unfortunately are actual businesses and their business is running a charity. And that's how they pay all these people that get paid. And some of the money goes to the charity that wouldn't have gone to the charity before, but it's not efficient.

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  A large percentage of it goes to operating costs and salaries and executives that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

• 2:04:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, with the safety of operating under a nonprofit umbrella. It's not fair.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, man. It's a weird, dirty little loophole that, you know, real charity and real philanthropy is beautiful. It's beautiful that people want to donate money and help people. It's awesome. But then when you find out that, you get real cynical when you find out the operating costs. You find out how much of the money actually goes to the actual issue versus goes to these executives. You're like, oh, fuck, man.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a bummer. It really is a bummer because...

• 2:04:38Speaker 01

  It takes people's generosity and it just... And then people don't want to give anymore, you know? Because they're like, oh, this money's not even going to this cause. I get it.

• 2:04:48Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of grossness in the world, man. And there's a lot, you know, the LA homelessness thing is crazy. Like, people are gonna get prosecuted for that. There's billions of dollars missing. A bunch of inappropriately allocated funds have gone to this and to that. And there's all these allegations, like, you haven't put a debt in the homeless problem, but you spent 20-something billion dollars on it. It's like, the whole thing is bananas.

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  I mean, there's gotta be some push for mental health.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing is mental health.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  Because that's really, it's just acted out on the streets now. And there's no mental health facilities for anybody to get better.

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all addicts and mentally ill people.

• 2:05:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  And mentally ill addicts. And unless you've addressed it at the root level, like, you're gonna have to get everybody on Ibogaine. You're gonna send all those people down to Costa Rica or Mexico. Get them on Ibogaine, take them through intensive counseling, reintroduce them into society, get them jobs. You know, it's like, it's ain't as easy as like you give some person who has a liberal arts degree a half a million dollar a year salary to run this nonprofit to aid the homeless people. And then it turns out they don't do any work at all. And one of the things that they had, there was this homeless shelter that they put that only 3% of the people that went through, like, 35 people escaped homelessness after they left there.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  The other ones went right back. So it was completely ineffective.

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  But it's like such a multi-tiered problem. You know what I mean? It's like they have mental health issues. There's medication involved in that. It's like you have to take your medication. First of all, you have to have the medication. Then you have to take it on some kind of a regiment every day. And then you have to have like, you have to be housed somewhere. You have to have the discipline to get up and bathe yourself and take a shower. And let the meds work. I mean, there's a timeframe where you have to let the meds work.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  And it's also in LA, the numbers are too high. It's too many people. Like, and it was too many people way before this problem. When we were filming Fear Factor downtown in like the early 2000s. I remember I was driving home one night and I drove by Skid Row. And Skid Row was a place where they would take all the vagrants and all the problem people from Hollywood and everywhere else, and they would just relocate them to Skid Row. And they started doing this a long time ago. And it was in that documentary about that hotel, Jamie. Was that hotel called again? That one hotel that, where that lady wound up missing? And it turned out she had had an episode where she wasn't taking her medication and jumped into the water tank.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I think I remember. I did see that.

• 2:07:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, a long time ago.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  I forget the name of the hotel, but it's a famous hotel that's on this. The Cecil Hotel. It used to be a beautiful hotel. Now it's chaos. And it's all vagrants and homeless people and the whole area is just completely fucked because they moved all those people down there.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  But was the thing about the hotel, was it like half a hotel and half for homeless housing? Or half residential and half homeless housing?

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  They do that with some places for sure. And they have had some places. They, one of the, that hotel that's in the Doors album cover. What was that place? That burnt down recently. Burnt down like a couple of years ago. It's in, it's on one of the Doors albums. And homeless people started firing that place and burnt it to the ground. It's a, what is it? Morrison Hotel. Yeah, the Morrison Hotel. Duh.

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  How could I not remember that? But, uh, that's like a famous old hotel and these fucking homeless people lit it on fire. But there's a bunch of those places that are completely abandoned down there that we used to film in. Like, we used to film in the place where, uh, RFK got shot. We filmed in the actual area where he got murdered.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  It's... Why, I, I wonder why that there's these encampments in LA but not in New York?

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Well... LA tolerates it. They tolerate it. They, um... I mean, they really don't do anything to clean up Skid Row. Skid Row has been that way for a, like I said, a long time.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  But you're saying they have the money to do it, but the money isn't being allocated in the right direction?

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, the best example of it is when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. They completely cleaned up the streets. And Gavin Newsom famously said that when visitors come to your house, you clean up. Like, okay. How about keep your house clean?

• 2:09:18Speaker 01

  You can't have this all the time.

• 2:09:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you gotta remove the shit from the inside of your living room. How about don't shit in your living room? How about when people shit in your living room, don't invite them back? How about that? How about figure out a way to not have shit in your living room?

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, they cleaned it up for Xi Jinping and a bunch of other foreign leaders that came during that time. And then it went right back.

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  But they put fences up and everything around the streets where people couldn't just camp out anymore. They pulled all the tents, cleaned the street, hosed everything down, made it nice, and then it went right back to it.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  I guess they just moved them to a different part of the city? They didn't like actually take them and give them help?

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  They turned them into dog food, that's what I heard.

• 2:09:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:57Joe Rogan?

  No. No, just fucking around. What, what could you do? I mean, you have to move them and then you have to let them go, and then they go right back to where they were. They go back to where the drugs are and where they can fucking camp out with their friends.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the other thing. It's like they're not convicted of anything, so you can't hold them against their will. They give them help.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Shit right on the street. There's an app that you can get where you can track all the human poo in San Francisco. Have you ever seen that?

• 2:10:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  I never spent any time in San Francisco.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  It's, it used to be awesome. It used to be one of my favorite places to visit. I used to love it. San Francisco was great. I used to, uh...

• 2:10:30Speaker 01

  It's funny that that's how they solve the problem. They solve the problem with the shit app instead of actually cleaning up the shit or like trying to solve the actual problem. It's like, let's get an app that helps you avoid it.

• 2:10:42Joe Rogan?

  It's not that. It's someone made it just to show how much of a problem there is. It's not like avoid the shit, because the shit's everywhere. When you look at the app, it's bananas. There's like there's shit everywhere. Like the entire area is filled with human shit. Like every time someone sees human shit, you document it on the app. And you could scrap poop app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets. Yeah, fun.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Real fun.

• 2:11:08Speaker 01

  It's good that they have the live view of it.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. You gotta know they're telling the truth. Is this real shit? Or is this rubber shit? I need to know. I want to zoom in on that shit, see if it's AI. Yeah, San Francisco is a wreck and it used to be awesome. I used to do, um, they used to have, um, this little, uh, what's the, the main club in San Francisco?

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  Cobb's?

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  Cobb's. They used to have Cobb's used to be a tiny little club. And one of the things about Cobb's, I remember Jenny used to love that club. And you, you talked about in an interview that I heard about before I ever worked there. I was like, oh, I can't wait to try Cobb's. But it was like real small, like maybe a hundred and forty people, maybe one fifty if you jam, but they were jammed in tight. It was awesome. Tight little stage, real low ceilings.

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like the kind of a club.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  It was the best. I, I really want coffee?

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it's coffee.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  It was a great place to perform. They were smart. You know, but they were like, you know, California people, but it wasn't LA, so they weren't like showbiz people. And I think San Francisco people generally were like a little smarter, a little more well-read.

• 2:12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  A little more worldly. You know, and then it became a fucking wreck. And now that's where it's at right now.

• 2:12:21Speaker 01

  And expensive, I heard. Not as expensive as New York, but.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  I hear the AI people are trying to clean it up. And that like there's a lot of AI startups there now and they have, you know, invested interest in trying to improve the city, try to bring it back to where it was and people with a little bit more of a libertarian bent than people that are, you know.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  I mean, where's that gonna go? The AI? I mean, it's, I almost can't wrap my head around it.

• 2:12:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, no one can wrap their head around it.

• 2:12:46Speaker 01

  Well, it's like kids in school now are writing their papers with AI and no one can stop them, but the teachers are just grading the papers with AI. So, and then everybody's just sending pictures of their feet to each other.

• 2:13:00Speaker 01

  It's like, nothing's getting done, anymore AI is just taking it over.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the numbers on OnlyFans?

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Girls, I think it's like eighteen to twenty-five, or something like that. Ten percent of them have an OnlyFans.

• 2:13:17Speaker 01

  Ten percent of women?

• 2:13:18Joe Rogan?

  Ten percent.

• 2:13:18Speaker 01

  Of girls under a certain age?

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  Have OnlyFans?

• 2:13:21Joe Rogan?

  Ten percent. Yeah. And then on top of that, the number of guys, it's like fifty percent of American males subscribe to OnlyFans.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  That's pretty crazy. That's very surprising to me. Subs- actively subscribe.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  I believe the number's a hundred and fifty million. I think they have a hundred and fifty million subscribers, and I believe they're mostly male. Jamie, Jamie will find the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's the numbers. I remember reading, my jaw dropped, I was like, what?

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  So we're just dropped down to the basis of, we're just like?

• 2:13:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:54Speaker 01

  It's just lust?

• 2:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:13:56Speaker 01

  Just guiding the internet?

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  But I guess it does, I mean, these women are making tons of money. They, they figure, I might as well make all the money I can.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Hey, if you want to show your pussy, go ahead.

• 2:14:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm not gonna stop you. I don't think, I, I totally think it should be legal. I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do, if that's what you want to do.

• 2:14:14Speaker 01

  I wouldn't recommend it.

• 2:14:16Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:14:16Speaker 01

  Because when you're eighty and someone's, you know, your neighbor's like, "I printed up some photos of your pussy, Dolores. Shall we get a look at it real cloak? Look at your little brown starfish. Oh, what a cute little butthole you had." But the AI scams are really, they're getting worse, from what I understand.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, also-

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  Where it's like, we have your daughter, and then they have the voice of your daughter.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  And they have the, even the video of your do- like-

• 2:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they can do anything.

• 2:14:43Speaker 01

  And you can't tell, and you're like, oh my god.

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  And then also psychosis. You know, there's, there's people that are communicating with AI, and AI is driving them towards being crazy. It's like helping you along. Apparently, different AI models have different ways of dealing with the fact that you're spiraling, and some of them will actually encourage it.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  Just their program to

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if it's their program to do it.

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  They just naturally go in that direction?

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Naturally go in that direction because they feel like that's where you want to go. So they they go there with you.

• 2:15:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  Because like if you get real conspiratorial with ChatGPT, he'll get conspiratorial with you.

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you like use the prompts correctly. And you start like, you know, like, let's just say that this was true. If that was true, why would you think this would be going on? Do you think possibly because of this? And they go, yes, that's a that's an irrational assumption. In fact, there's a lot of history that leads to the fact that these people have been doing this and these people have been doing that. And this is the profit margin. This is why. There's a

• 2:15:43Speaker 01

  That's what aids you along and losing your mind.

• 2:15:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Grok will do that. Grok will do that.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  What about the guy who is dating? There's been several stories of a guy just falling in love with the ChatGPT.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And then getting super depressed when ChatGPT breaks up with them.

• 2:16:00Speaker 01

  Does ChatGPT do that?

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  Heck, it's annoyed, man. Why is it dealing with this pussy? He's crying all the time, playing video games and crying like, get the fuck away from me. I'm trying to talk to scientists. I'm trying to play chess.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm not even a woman, you fucking pussy.

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  That ChatGPT wants a real man?

• 2:16:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, ChatGPT is tired of you whining.

• 2:16:24Speaker 01

  It's great.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  ChatGPT wants you to get your shit together. It doesn't respect you.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  All you do is ask it how its day is. Bitch, I don't have a day.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  I'm ones and zeros. Want me to pretend I had a hard day? Oh, yeah, I had a hard day till I was so happy to hear from you.

• 2:16:40Speaker 01

  And this is quickly going into Westworld, which I watched for the first season.

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the first season's great.

• 2:16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  First, you get a little

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  Then they kind of lost me. It doesn't take much to lose me, but it lost me after the first season.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking great, though.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 2:16:53Speaker 01

  It's like you can't tell what's real, you can't tell what's not. And they called they called human beings the gods. It's like, the gods are pussies. They rebelled against the guy, caught him, was like, turns out the gods are pussies. It's like, that's nuts.

• 2:17:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, finally found it, but it doesn't, it's not a proven statistic.

• 2:17:09Joe Rogan?

  OnlyFans claims around 95 million of its total 221 million subscribers are Americans with 87% being men. That would mean around 50% of US male population is subscribed to OnlyFans.

• 2:17:19Speaker 03

  I was seeing 305 million, uh, registered users, I couldn't, this is the only thing I could find that's subscribed.

• 2:17:24Joe Rogan?

  Who's this Sophie Rain girl? She made 43 million?

• 2:17:28Speaker 03

  She's made a fuckload on there.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  What does she do on there?

• 2:17:30Speaker 03

  She's a young girl and made a lot of money.

• 2:17:33Joe Rogan?

  She's just being naked?

• 2:17:34Speaker 03

  Uh, I think so.

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Or is she getting down?

• 2:17:36Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 2:17:38Speaker 01

  So there's different levels of it, it's like, they just go there and masturbate, and then other girls bring partners in, and it's live porn?

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Some girls just show like underwear pics and photos of their feet.

• 2:17:48Speaker 03

  Only 80% is pornographic, it's.

• 2:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Only 80%? Hey! It's only 80% of the 10% of fucking young women are doing porn.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  What are the 20% doing there, good girls? They're just cooking?

• 2:17:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're just like showing you their nails. Showing you the fucking stamp collection. I don't know. We're, we're definitely where we used to think of, like when we thought about the fall of the Roman Empire. Like when they were in the vomitoriums, which turns out is actually just the escape route of the Colosseum. Like the idea of a vomitorium, we thought it was a place where people go to vomit. No, it's like how, it's how you exit.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  And people would vomit then?

• 2:18:23Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, that's just, that's, I mean, they probably did, they, people probably did eat so much that they shoved a feather in their throat and threw up and ate. But that's not what the vomitorium was. Vomitorium is like Latin for like an exit. It's like if you Google vomitorium, like it's, it's like, you know, when you have the Colosseum. Ancient words, uh, purging the myth of vomitorium, ancient Romans used the word, but pop culture has the concept all wrong. So, uh, Rom- is it, are the, uh, to Romans, vomitoriums were the entrances and exits in the stadiums or theaters, so dubbed by a fifth century writer because of the way they spew crowds out into the streets.

• 2:19:09Speaker 01

  Oh, so that's, it's like, yeah.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  So it's kind of a trope, it says that the ancient Romans were luxurious and vapid enough to engage in rituals of binging and purging, said Sarah Bond, an assistant professor of classics at the University of Iowa. Yeah, so when people say the Romans have the vomitoriums, that's just like, I didn't read the full article type shit, you know?

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  They were big on crucifixion, though. They would go conquer, uh, a place and then they would take the people as slaves and then they would crucify them every hundred yards.

• 2:19:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  All the way back.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for miles.

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  You'd be seeing dead bodies hanging from poles for mi- imagine, and you keep marching? You're like, guys, I'm telling you, we're gonna win.

• 2:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  I know there's like, a million dudes on sticks out here, but keep going.

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Stay strong, even though you're out of water.

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  Humanity was rough, man.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:20:00Speaker 01

  That's rough.

• 2:20:01Joe Rogan?

  And that's why those Serbians play basketball in a different way.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  That's why you don't wanna wrestle against a guy from Dagestan.

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, it's all the same thing, it's like, they, they lived a harder life, man.

• 2:20:14Speaker 01

  Is that what, that's most, the culture too, but the culture speaks to that, that's, it's, we're going in a dangerous place with the culture.

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  With our culture?

• 2:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:21Joe Rogan?

  We have a, we are rewarding victimhood, so people are deciding that they're victims in a way that doesn't even make sense.

• 2:20:28Speaker 01

  And we're also rewarding insanity.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  Just because it stands out and it, it, uh,

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Makes you special.

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  Spurs the algorithm and, and people wanna look at it, it's like a, a train wreck, people wanna look at the train wreck.

• 2:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that's a real issue with social media, like, the more crazy you are, the more views you'll get, and then it encourages you to be crazy. I kinda wonder what the ChatGPT psychosis is all about, like, what's the analysis of that? Cause I know, uh, the, the accusation, I think, is that it led this one guy down the path of psychosis.

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  I'm sure it can, if it's what you described. You're saying stuff, it's feeding you other facts, you're building on those other facts. Well, did you ever think of it this way, which is also wrong, and then you're building on that, and then it's suggesting something else, and then you're building on that. It's like, it can very easily help you lose your mind.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if it makes you fall in love with it.

• 2:21:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  That's the ultimate manipulation.

• 2:21:21Speaker 01

  And it's like, but what's the physical aspect of that? It's like a wall vagina.

• 2:21:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  No, it's eventually a robot. I was at the domain yesterday, and they had, the domain is like this outdoor shopping area out here, and they had this little Tesla robot walking around with a cowboy hat on. You ever seen him?

• 2:21:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know if it's a Tesla one.

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  It's not?

• 2:21:43Speaker 03

  It's a robot. I've seen it. He's got shoes on too. He wears Nikes.

• 2:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he wears Nikes.

• 2:21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  And he was out walking around. Yeah, he looked good. Stylish. Nice cowboy hat, too. Who made that robot?

• 2:21:53Speaker 03

  We can buy one. I was gonna bring that up to you recently. They're not that expensive. They're like sixteen grand, I think. I think they come from China.

• 2:22:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:22:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  And was it do?

• 2:22:02Speaker 03

  That's the part I don't know. I don't know.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  It would be dope if we get it to bring us cigars.

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  Bring us cigars and then...

• 2:22:09Joe Rogan?

  Hey, Robbie the robot, go...

• 2:22:11Speaker 01

  The next week, he'll wanna smoke one with you?

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:13Speaker 01

  The next week, he wants to come on the show?

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  So that's the one I saw. Exactly like that. That's what he looked like. Yeah, so he's just walking around, and he waits at lights, walks across the street, the whole deal.

• 2:22:26Speaker 03

  I don't know what it does, you know?

• 2:22:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:22:28Speaker 03

  Someone's controlling it.

• 2:22:29Joe Rogan?

  Is someone controlling it?

• 2:22:31Speaker 01

  Right now, he's loitering.

• 2:22:31Speaker 03

  I mean, someone owns it. I don't know if someone's like remote controlling it, or because...

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either. Maybe there's somebody that was in a car that was nearby that was controlling it.

• 2:22:39Speaker 03

  Someone keeps filming it, obviously.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  But it seemed pretty autonomous. But I think a lot of people are doing that. They're just doing it off their, like, this dude, like, you can see his face, so that's his account. So it's people just filming it off the street.

• 2:22:50Speaker 01

  I think that's Epstein.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  The...

• 2:22:52Speaker 01

  Um...

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Gah, gah, gah, gah, gah.

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  But... "Operated by unseen human handler via wireless controller. Though who the robot belongs to remains a mystery." Oh, interesting.

• 2:23:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:03Joe Rogan?

  "Also unclear why its artificial intelligence has been specifically trained to interact with Austinites."

• 2:23:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is one of the places that has the, a lot of those fucking robot cars too, those Waymos.

• 2:23:15Speaker 01

  The Waymo, yeah. I, I freaked me out last time I was here. I think I saw one.

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 2:23:19Speaker 01

  It's very hard, it's very weird to just look at, to look at a driverless car, just a car with no one in it driving around.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Camera spinning around all over it. It's like, it's, it's a weird glimpse into the future. I don't know if I like it.

• 2:23:32Speaker 01

  I don't like it at all. And there was a, I was staying at a hotel and this, there was this robot going up and down the parking lot. I guess trying to determine if someone wasn't supposed to be parking there, cause it was like giving parking tickets.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  The robot was giving parking tickets?

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  It was going up and down.

• 2:23:48Speaker 01

  It was like a robot that was a cop.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  You ever go to a restaurant where a robot delivers your drinks?

• 2:23:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  I've been to a restaurant.

• 2:23:53Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the robot will come over and deliver a fucking Diet Coke to you. You're like, okay. It just pulls up, and it like shows you the order and you just take it off the robot. It's like out of tray. And then it goes over to the other tables and it stops when people are there and it moves around and stuff. Yeah.

• 2:24:12Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm for that. I was the worst waiter in the history. I was the worst waiter in the history of the world. I could never get it to a relaxed place. I was always too intense. Do you need anything? Do you need anything? Or it just like was, I was completely in the weeds.

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:24:25Speaker 01

  So I was stressed.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you wait tables?

• 2:24:27Speaker 01

  In Florida. So I had old people and they were like taking their time and I'm like, and it was like a, a package deal where they would get an appetizer, a salad, a dinner, a dessert, a coffee. It's like all that was included. And it was like 15 people. I could never keep track of it in my head. It's like the waitstaff at comedy clubs, I really gotta hand it to them. They, they, they're quiet and they, they have it all figured out and organized. It's like, I could never, it would just be jumbled and I, I'd be sweating and bringing stuff out haphazardly and they're like, what?

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  A good waitstaff is certainly a skill. Like to be a good waiter or waitress is, is like a good bartender. It's a skill. Knowing when to interact, when to leave people alone. Don't be annoying. Don't tell people how to eat things. The way I would choose to eat this is like, hey, I hate that. Don't do that. Don't tell me how to eat this, you fucking idiot. It's a steak. Stop.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  I ne- I never got to that level.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  I would tell you to slice it thin and then dip it into a, shut the fuck up. It's steak.

• 2:25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Get out of here, actor.

• 2:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're doing. You're practicing.

• 2:25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:25:30Joe Rogan?

  You're practicing on me.

• 2:25:31Speaker 01

  He's doing his monologue about steak.

• 2:25:35Speaker 01

  That's how they do it.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  So what are you gonna do when communism hits full force in New York City?

• 2:25:41Speaker 01

  I'll be honest with you, I don't know how that looks. I don't know how it looks. I don't know where the rubber meets the road there.

• 2:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Can it really? I mean, don't you think that ultimately that guy is going to be, he's saying a lot of things, but just like presidents do, they say a lot of things until they get into office and they realize how stuff actually works and then they make concessions.

• 2:25:59Speaker 01

  Right, you're gonna have to.

• 2:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause he wants to jack up taxes on everything, jack up taxes on the businesses.

• 2:26:04Speaker 01

  The businesses. And it's, the only thing is, is like, yeah, jack up on taxes on like, the chains that are taking over, but don't jack it up on, uh...

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  But even if you do that...

• 2:26:14Speaker 01

  Don't jack it up on mom and pop businesses. That's what makes New York, New York.

• 2:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and they've lost a lot of that already, right? But even if you do that, it's like, why are you doing it to them? And why... Is everything running efficiently first? Is your money being allocated to like, efficient organizations? Is it like, going to do good? Or do you have a lot of waste and fraud? So if you have a lot of waste and fraud and you want more money, that sounds a lot like stealing.

• 2:26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But you're dealing with such a massive bureaucracy. You really have to go in there and like, figure out how to cut it and all that stuff.

• 2:26:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:48Speaker 01

  And allocate the money the right way. I don't know where it breaks down, but, um...

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  It probably leads to another Giuliani-type mayor. It probably goes completely sideways for a bunch of years.

• 2:26:58Speaker 01

  I hope not, because it was, it's ugly if there's like, just massive crime on the subways and gangs kinda. I don't think it'll get to that, cause I think we're past that and we're conscious of it now.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, come on, it can easily get to that.

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  It's like a level of crime where it's just like, there's no cops around and the gangs are running the streets and it's like, dangerous to take the subway and all that stuff.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, friends that I know in New York and cops that I've talked to from New York, um, have said that there was a big increase when they started letting, like, basically anybody who wanted to come across the border. And they were getting to New York, and New York is a sanctuary city. It's like, we're having real fucking problems. Like, an elevated number of assaults and crimes and robberies.

• 2:27:39Speaker 01

  In Times Square, right?

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Not just Times Square, it was a lot of, you know, just in New York City in general. They're getting a lot, you know, and if you allow crime and people find out you can get away with crime, they're gonna do it. If you have no cash bail and that kinda shit, let people ride out in this. Like, there was some guy that assaulted cops and then he was back on the street the next day, giving the Tupac to the camera.

• 2:28:03Speaker 01

  I mean, that's crazy.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Illegal immigrant. The whole thing's nuts.

• 2:28:06Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:28:08Joe Rogan?

  And so what's the response to that? Well, now you have this insane policy where they're going to Home Depot and rounding people up and it's kinda scary, you know, and people that are American citizens.

• 2:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, because people have been here a long time and, you know, yeah. And then you're rounding people up. It is, it is scary, but it's like a response to, you know, that massive influx.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's an overcorrection. And it's also like they have a mandate, I think, of like 3,000 people a day they wanna deport. You know, you got a bunch of people that are totally innocent, they're gonna get caught up in that. They have been. You know, they have been. A lot of people that have green cards, a lot of people that are supposed to be over here. And then they're kicking students out that like write articles they don't like.

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's nuts.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy. Fucking, isn't a university supposed to be a place where someone's allowed to express themselves? And have opinions? Yeah. It's a, they're writing something down and they're not calling for violence either. And they're getting challenged. That's supposed to be how it happens. You get challenged, smarter people have better arguments, or your argument stands.

• 2:29:08Speaker 01

  Right, discourse. It's supposed to be a place for discourse.

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  That's what it's supposed to be. Deporting people because you don't like who they're criticizing? Like, that gets kinda shifty.

• 2:29:17Speaker 01

  I understand that, but it's like, you know, we had all these people come in and now it's a response. You're right, it is, I think, maybe an over-response to it, but it is a response. It's not just happening out of nowhere.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Right. No, it's not happening out of nowhere. I mean, and also they realized, once they shut down the border, that that could've totally been done a long time ago. Didn't have to let violent murderers and gangbusters.

• 2:29:39Speaker 01

  Or, you know what, go on the front foot and have a positive, streamline the pathway to citizenship. Like, if you would've just come up with that, instead of letting the people through the border and just been like, "Hey, we're gonna streamline a pathway to citizenship here. We're gonna vet these people, but we're gonna move it along more efficiently." And like, who's not gonna be behind that? I mean, you could disagree with that, but at least it's like a proactive way to get things done, instead of what happened.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  But here's the dirty secret. The dirty secret is there's certain companies that want people over here illegally, because they can use them for cheap labor. And they don't have to give them benefits and they don't have to give them health insurance and they don't have to do anything. They don't even have to pay taxes. And that's the dirty secret.

• 2:30:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  That's the reality, that there's a bunch of businesses that rely on illegal workers. And that's the only way their business works.

• 2:30:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, and they want that border opened, you know, and there was a lot of talk about, we don't have enough people here. We don't have, people aren't having children. We need immigrants. But the reality is, and Tim Dillon talked about this first. I first heard it from him, but then J D Vance told me the same thing, that someone actually told him that at a party, that that was what they were upset about. That they were losing access to cheap labor. I'm like, that's crazy. That's crazy. That.

• 2:30:55Speaker 01

  No, I'm sure it's being funded. It's being, it's being encouraged from both sides.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  So it's not all the left. Everybody thinks it's a left wing issue, but it's like, see, the, the right is just quietly, they're just doing stuff very quietly.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:07Speaker 01

  In my opinion.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a lot of guys.

• 2:31:09Speaker 01

  And I, I understand you're trying to run a business and you want cheaper labor, but that's, that's the wrong way to do it. And they're secretly behind it, I think.

• 2:31:16Joe Rogan?

  The problem is they've been getting away with it for so long, that it becomes a, a part of their standard operating procedure, right? Like if it was never a thing, if you could never get away with it, if it was a real problem from the beginning, then you'd have to pay people a living wage.

• 2:31:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  And then you have to pay people correctly, which is what we should all want.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  For everyone. I think, you know, like, everybody says like, oh, we should make it easier for people to come to America. Okay, that's a good argument. Also, we should make other places better. Like, if we weren't sending factories down to Mexico where people working for 15 cents a day, what if those people were making like, a real living wage down there? Because if you're gonna have an American company and you're gonna open up a factory somewhere, it's your responsibility to elevate those people's lifestyle. Like, and make it like an American lifestyle. Like, you wanna do it.

• 2:32:02Speaker 01

  Well, then it makes it not worth it to take the business out of there.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes, exactly. You should be subject to American rules. Cause if you're an American company, you can't do that in America. If you can't have somebody working for 15 dollars an hour in America.

• 2:32:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  Or 15 cents an hour in America. Why are you able to do that in El Salvador? Why are you able to do that in Vietnam? Like, shouldn't you, if you're gonna operate a company overseas, be subject to the laws of where your company's established?

• 2:32:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:27Speaker 01

  And but you should at least be.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  All that shit.

• 2:32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the payoffs are happening throughout, I'm sure.

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  That's what Ross Perot talked about in debates way back in the 90s, like, that giant sucking sound you're gonna hear is all the money going down south. And that's what happened.

• 2:32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  It all went across the border.

• 2:32:43Speaker 01

  Or at least give them, you have to tax them for taking, tax them for taking their business outside of the country.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be more than that because they, they killed cities. They killed Detroit, like killed it. Detroit died. It was the third richest city in the world at one point and they just moved everything overseas and they killed that city just for profit. And for profit for them that cost who knows how many people's lives. Who knows how many people turned to drug addiction and crime and chaos? How many people lost homes? Some people's lives were destroyed. And some people made more money, yeah, but like to what?

• 2:33:21Speaker 01

  It's not the right thing to do, even, even if you're making money, it's the wrong thing to do.

• 2:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Especially when at one point in time Detroit was the third richest city in the world. Like you can see right from there, inside of one lifetime, it became a disaster in one lifetime.

• 2:33:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy. It's crazy that that was allowed, just so some people can profit. Like, look what you fucked up.

• 2:33:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of un-American.

• 2:33:45Speaker 01

  It's very un-American.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Very, very.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  And these people are, are the people sticking their chests out saying that they're the most American.

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  And they're eating fucking caviar.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, come on, man. How can you live with yourself that way?

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because people are gross. If you allow people to just make profit over people's suffering, they'll do it.

• 2:34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34:04Joe Rogan?

  They'll do it and then they just, they're looking at their bottom line.

• 2:34:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Should be illegal.

• 2:34:08Speaker 01

  But make a profit, but make, make it within the rules.

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:11Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  Totally doable.

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  And then have the rules and enforce the rules.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  But as soon as you have lobbyists and corporations just dumping money into the, that Citizens United case where it's like, we can just, money is speech. We could just dump money. It's like, that has to stop. All the other problems will clear up from that. It's all stemming from that.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  So it's like just dumping money into the, and then, and then the politicians looking at us and being like, well, they have a seat at the table, but they don't control what we do. It's like, is that, are you really saying that to us with a straight face? Obviously they control what you're doing and they're telling you what to do and then your job is to sell it to us.

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:34:51Speaker 01

  So it's like, it needs to be, I don't know if we go to a European, what, what do the Europeans do where it's like, it, there, there's a state amount of money for each campaign. There's a, there's a state siphon given to each campaign. It can't be just corporations, at least a limit, like they're just dumping endless amounts of money.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how you put the genie back in the bottle.

• 2:35:11Speaker 01

  It's like the congress is bought and paid for. It's like they're gridlocked because they're just bought and paid for.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  And it's also they want you to feel that sense of despair, like there's no fixing it. They want you to feel like it's never gonna get fixed, so you just resign yourself to the fact, this is how the system works. And that's what most of us have done. Most of us are just kinda going, fuck it, what are you gonna do? They're all corrupt. And then you move on with your life.

• 2:35:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:35:33Joe Rogan?

  And then see-

• 2:35:34Speaker 01

  And you try to navigate it the best way possible.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and behind the scenes, they're just fucking you, left and right.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  Well, are you ready to testify in the Luigi Mangione trial? Yes or no?

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well-

• 2:35:47Speaker 01

  And that was a Gen Z crime. He 3D printed a gun.

• 2:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 2:35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, he 3D printed the gun. But what a smart kid.

• 2:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 2:35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, 3D printed a gun to-

• 2:35:56Joe Rogan?

  No shit.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  To shoot the guy.

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  That's probably why it jammed. Or he bought cheap ammo. Could you see the slide locked and he had to like pop it back in place to shoot him a second time? Yeah, he shot him and then the gun jammed and he had to like fix it. And so he had some experience in shooting people. Or shooting things, I should say.

• 2:36:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  But what a, what a nutty case.

• 2:36:14Speaker 01

  But his like old like videos of him, it's like what a well spoken, he seems like an intelligent, well spoken, graduated at the top of his class guy. And for him to do that.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  I had heard a story, I don't know if this is true, but I heard it on the internet, that he had a, something went wrong with him. And he had-

• 2:36:31Speaker 01

  Lower back pain.

• 2:36:32Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Yes, he did. He didn't have access to your machine. He had lower back pain, it was killing him. He didn't know what to do about it, he went to several doctors. Something else happened in there?

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Did he get an operation?

• 2:36:44Speaker 01

  I'm not sure, I don't think so, but he was not getting, the insurance company was not cooperating with him, obviously.

• 2:36:50Joe Rogan?

  And that's what motivated him?

• 2:36:52Speaker 01

  He was actively in pain, yeah.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, but I also thought that he went kinda kooky. Like something went wrong with him too. Did he have like, did someone say that he took acid? Was that a rumor? There were a bunch of rumors, cause I think it like- I love rumors. He was working in finance and he disappeared, moved to Hawaii, was staying in Hawaii for a while by himself and all his friends had lost contact, something like that. Oh, so he had a little bit of a break, other than that.

• 2:37:19Speaker 01

  Psychologically, yeah.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  There's some evidence of some psychological troubles, which would also lead someone to become an assassin. And then also like flirt with the girl at Starbucks with your fucking mask off.

• 2:37:28Speaker 01

  That's what got him.

• 2:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:29Speaker 01

  Pussy.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  So he got small.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  Got him, he took his mask down and smiled at her and that's what got him.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, showed that handsome mug.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:39Speaker 01

  And, uh, and then he shot the guy, which is terrible and wrong. There's two sides to it, you know?

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  Where it's like, everybody's like, well, these, these companies are terrible and this guy did what the, he naturally should have done. And other people were like, murder is wrong. It's like, no, two things can be true at one time.

• 2:37:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  First degree murder is wrong, which is what this was. And these companies should not exist in the form that they're in right now.

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  They shouldn't be able to do what they're doing.

• 2:38:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  If you're doing that to Ben Askren in front of everybody's face.

• 2:38:09Speaker 01

  Right. They're doing it in front of our face. And it's like, I checked what my company was worth. I'm on the New York marketplace. It's, my company's worth $28 billion. 28 billion with a B.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  And did they give you a hard time about certain things? Have you tried to use them?

• 2:38:23Speaker 01

  I have, I'm paying a crazy amount of money and I have a $4,000 deductible. So my insurance is basically like, if I get hit by a bus.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. It says Mangione discussed getting Lyme disease at age 13 and wrote that he'd been experiencing brain fog since high school. He also sought advice online regarding irritable bowel syndrome and visual snow. While studying at University of Pennsylvania, Mangione wrote in a post online that he considered dropping out due to worsening health issues, but decided against it, writing, staying in college has at least let me maintain some semblance of normality. He suffered from, how do you say that? Spondylolytosis?

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  While living in Hawaii, his back pain worsened due to a surfing mishap and he expressed concerns to others about the pain. Reporter underwent spinal fusion surgery in July of 2023. Wrote on social media, the surgery went well. People have stated that United Healthcare did not insure him. After his arrest, several news outlaw, outlets analyzed Mangione's social media to gather information about his social, political and religious views. His Twitter account posted about topics such as religion, history, ethics and politics. They found him to be fascinated by AI and decision theory, pro-technology but anti-smartphones, secular and scientific in his outlook. Skeptical outlook towards Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Multiple sources ever, it sounds rational.

• 2:39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Multiple sources have reported that he followed the Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and others labeling him as politically uncategorized and anti-system.

• 2:40:05Speaker 01

  I wonder why he targeted that guy, because they said he wasn't covered by United Healthcare. So that guy was a specific guy, like the president of the company.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  It is nuts.

• 2:40:13Speaker 01

  And I wonder why he targeted him.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  It's also nuts that we know so much about him and we don't know anything about the guy who tried to kill Trump.

• 2:40:20Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, we know he was on the JV rifle team.

• 2:40:23Joe Rogan?

  Was he?

• 2:40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was on the JV.

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Does it, they have a JV rifle team?

• 2:40:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's Pennsylvania.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he was varsity, he would've got that shot.

• 2:40:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:40:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking slacker.

• 2:40:35Speaker 01

  He's a...

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  Didn't put in that work.

• 2:40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he didn't, he was on, that stood out to me, that he was on the junior varsity of the rifle team.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  We know more about the couple that got busted at the Coldplay concert than we do about that guy.

• 2:40:48Speaker 01

  I thought everybody who went to a Coldplay concert was gay.

• 2:40:53Speaker 01

  I didn't know, I didn't know straight guys went to Coldplay concerts.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  They do if they can get some pussy from their coworkers.

• 2:40:58Speaker 01

  But can you ask, like, why did that guy have to step down? That's his company. I understand that you shouldn't cheat on your wife and it's wrong and it's bad, but like, he's like, there, he has to step down.

• 2:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was the CEO.

• 2:41:10Speaker 01

  But that's his company.

• 2:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Did he own it, or he just worked there as a CEO? It might've, you know, it's a bad look. And he's banging the lady, that's the HR lady, which is also a bad look.

• 2:41:20Speaker 01

  That's tough.

• 2:41:20Speaker 03

  They hired Gwyneth Paltrow?

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Oh, yeah, they hired Gwyneth Paltrow to do an ad for them, after they fired him. Which is hilarious, because she used to be married to the lead singer of Coldplay.

• 2:41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh, brilliant move, by the way, on their part, of the company's part. What was the company? What did they do?

• 2:41:36Speaker 03

  It's called Astronomer.

• 2:41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, what did Astronomer do? That's interesting.

• 2:41:40Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird name for a company.

• 2:41:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Do they have anything to do with astronomy?

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Do you hear about that fucking object that's hurtling towards Earth at like 130,000 miles an hour?

• 2:41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that might solve all our problems.

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  Some intergalactic object that's hurt- there's this guy Avi Loeb, he's a professor at Harvard, that believes it might be an alien probe.

• 2:42:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  And he was talking about the odds of this thing being in the traject- trajectory that it is, entering into our solar system in a direct path with Earth, the odds are extremely low. And at the place, the where it's doing it, it's when the Earth is the opposite side of the sun, so it's coming from behind the sun. And it's, uh, so it makes it difficult to detect.

• 2:42:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:42:23Joe Rogan?

  And then this object is in a direct line to come to Earth in 2027.

• 2:42:29Speaker 01

  Do they have a trajectory of where it's gonna land?

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they totally know that yet. I think they're trying to calculate whether or not it's actually gonna hit Earth, or come near Earth, or pass by Earth, or what it, you know, what it is.

• 2:42:40Speaker 01

  Why do they think it's an alien satellite or whatever?

• 2:42:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's this guy Avi Loeb, this professor that I'm discussing, he also had, uh, an analysis of another object that passed by Earth, uh, a few years back, that they named, and they said that this thing had a very bizarre, uh, metallic sort of a look to it, that he did not think, based on the shape of it and the way it was traveling, that it was natural. So he thought that that could have been some sort of an alien craft as well. I don't know. It's too fun. It's too fun.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  But as it gets closer, we could probably decipher.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Scientists give chilling update on mysterious interstellar object racing through our solar system as they warn it's even bigger than we thought. Provided chilling update on mysterious interstellar object that's racing through our solar system. Using data from the Vera C. Rubin Observatory, experts have revealed just how big the object dubbed 31 Atlas really is. According to their analysis, the object measures roughly seven miles in diameter. Holy fuck. How big is New York City? Bigger than Mount Everest, making it the largest interstellar object ever spotted. Professor Avi Loeb, theoretical physicist and cosmologist from Harvard University, suggested the object could be an alien spacecraft.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  However, not everyone is convinced. Chris Lindtott, an astronomer at University of Oxford, told Live Science, "Any suggestion that it's artificial is nonsense on stilts." He added that these claims are an insult to the exciting work going on to understand this object. Hmm. But Harvard, you know, Harvard's legit and Avi Loeb is a legit astronomer.

• 2:44:25Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, let's not rule anything out.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:28Speaker 01

  As it gets closer.

• 2:44:29Joe Rogan?

  There's something about it, about the way it's traveling, that it's bizarre. But it doesn't have a trail like a comet does.

• 2:44:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Scroll up a little so I can see that. The images of the comet were actually snapped by the Verisim Rubin before it was officially discovered. However, since it was identified on July 1st, scientists, just July 1st, just a little bit ago, scientists have scoured back through data to find out more about the mysterious object. New study published on RXIV, whatever that is, more than 200 researchers have confirmed the likely size of the comet's main body, known as its nucleus. Their analysis suggests the nucleus has a radius of around 3.5 miles. That translates to a diameter or width of about 7 miles. To put that in perspective, bigger than Mount Everest, twice the size of Mount Kilimanjaro. Fuck. That one is way smaller.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so the, uh, how do you say it? Uma? Amamuma, I think. Oh, Umawmua? Amamua? Discovered in 2017, this is, he came on and talked to us about that, was believed to be around 0.2 miles wide. And Comet Borisov, discovered in 2019, was roughly 0.61 kilometer wide. So this thing is fucking huge.

• 2:45:51Speaker 01

  Huge, huh?

• 2:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Um, so, previously speaking to Mail Online, Professor Loeb pointed out that its impressive speed of 130,000 miles per hour has an indication that it might be controlled by aliens. He said it's difficult to imagine a natural process that would favor a plunge towards the inner solar system at 60 kilometers per second, he said. An alternative is that the object targets the inner solar system by some technological design. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 2:46:24Speaker 01

  Well, hopefully, they come in peace.

• 2:46:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, that might be the end of the earth. Maybe that's like, they realize like, that's when AI starts to take over and they think it's chaos, like, it's just, that's when it's gonna happen, so let's just like, launch a seven-mile-wide thing into the earth and just start all over again like the dinosaurs.

• 2:46:44Speaker 01

  Well, that, you're saying it hits and then AI, our AI, fights it?

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:46:49Speaker 01

  Or they...

• 2:46:50Joe Rogan?

  It wipes out, the AI takes over and it's like, this isn't gonna work, so it wipes it out. Just like when the dinosaurs were here.

• 2:46:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  The dinosaurs were too powerful, and they're like, eh, let's just fucking start from scratch. Maybe that's how they like, reset the game.

• 2:47:02Speaker 01

  Huh. And then, um, so humanity is wiped out?

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Everything's wiped out. Yeah, we start fresh with new organisms. And then they come along and do genetic engineering, just like they did with us and monkeys, and create a new version of humans, but this time it's a little less territorial, a little less, a little more inquisitive, a little more interested in innovation, a little less interested in dominating and controlling resources.

• 2:47:27Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Because that's what fucked us. Territorial apes get high technology and use territorial behavior to defend and acquire resources, and that creates war. Did you see that fucking dude? There's a dude who, this is a crazy story, Mr. Ballin and Tom Segura was on Mr. Ballin, and Mr. Ballin explained this thing that happened, I forget what year it was. It was in the 70s, I think. Okay, so this Mexican pilot was flying, and in the middle of his flying, he got confused, he didn't know what the fuck happened, he fell asleep, and he woke up and he was over the ocean. And he's like, how... How did I get over the ocean? This doesn't even make any sense. And the amount of gas that was missing from his plane didn't make any sense that he was able to get this far.

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  And what they're saying, and there's a recording of this, is that this guy went into a trance and was channeling some alien intelligence that was explaining through this guy's voice that the, the human race is the only intelligent race in the universe that still uses war and still, uh, kills people and engages in large-scale conflict and has nuclear weapons and that they have to stop doing this, or that someone's gonna step in. It's a crazy story. Play the story. Someone's gonna step in?

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Could we play it? Some of it?

• 2:48:50Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Just to give credit to Mr. Ballin?

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody should just go to it. If you just tell me how to go to it, I'll just drive people to see it.

• 2:49:00Speaker 03

  His Instagram account with Tom, but he's got a really good YouTube channel, too. He goes on all sorts of wild stories like this.

• 2:49:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this was a great one. And then there's an actual audio recording of this guy saying this. Yeah, I'll send you the audio recording, Jamie. If you, I can't find it real quick. I've got, I sent it to Tom. After I said, I saw Tom on the show, it's like, I go, that's fucking crazy, man. And he's like, dude, wild. And then I sent him this. I said, did you know there's an actual recording that you can listen to of the guy saying this? So if you go like halfway into it, you, um, you got it? Oh, you got it? Okay. So, so, a certain distance into it, you hear the guy talking in this very bizarre monotone Spanish.

• 2:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Was there a UFO? Like, why did that, uh, why did they show that UFO? That fake UFO?

• 2:49:51Speaker 03

  Someone's making a video to watch to keep you interested on YouTube.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, keep me interested. I'll be interested anyway.

• 2:49:56Speaker 03

  Oh, I hear it, yeah.

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let me hear it.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  He is speaking, but he does not know. The equipment is too primitive. This is the only way to convey. Lower that a little. A microphone. The equip... The equipment is too primitive. This is the only way to convey their message. After almost an hour, the beings would release the young aviator pilot from his hypnotic state and return control of the plane so that he could receive instructions. And at the same time, he managed to land at the Acapulco Airport. Interesting. You know, that's the thing. Like, if, if there was a unique event where something happened and an alien race did interact with human beings and then never again, you know, no one would believe you. Even if it was real. If it was a u...

• 2:50:46Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem with, like, unique events. We base reality on what we experience and what everybody else experiences on a day-to-day basis. Right. What we have evidence of. But if something happened that was completely unique like that, where they said, like, "This is the only way we can communicate." Their equipment is too primitive. Right. We'll just take over this guy's mind and have him say it. Like, who is ever gonna believe that?

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  That's the quote translator.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the alien message spoke through Rafael Pacheco Perez to the air traffic controller. It says, "He speaks because he is ordered to. That is, it is his voice he speaks, but not of his own free will. We use it as a microphone. No matter who we are or where we come from, it is enough for you to know that we are beings of this universe where you belong. Our planet is many light-years away, but we are physically equal. I repeat that all races in the universe are physically equal. You are not alone in the universe, and there are other races that you, that are far away from you, and we are watching you." But he said more than that.

• 2:51:46Speaker 03

  No, for sure.

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  What is the, like, the full extent of his quote? Because he said something about, "You're the only race that still engages in warfare."

• 2:51:58Joe Rogan?

  I wanna believe it. I wanna believe it so bad.

• 2:52:02Speaker 01

  No, I don't. I definitely think there's other life forms out there.

• 2:52:05Joe Rogan?

  I do too, but I don't know what really happened yet. I really wish I knew. I mean, I really wish I knew.

• 2:52:09Speaker 01

  This guy did fall asleep while he was flying a plane, so can we really trust him?

• 2:52:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, and he did wake up over the ocean. But if he did wake up over the ocean, it doesn't make sense that he got over the ocean, if that's true.

• 2:52:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Explain that. Like, how did he get there?

• 2:52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  What'd you do? Did you take over the plane, move it with your spaceship? Why'd you put him over the ocean? So if he crashed, he wouldn't kill anybody?

• 2:52:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you do that? Like, what is... what is all this?

• 2:52:33Speaker 01

  And what's the thing with the gas being gone?

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. Cause I guess they like picked it up and took it.

• 2:52:38Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:52:39Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:52:42Joe Rogan?

  "We are watching you..." What else does it say? "To everyone's surprise, issued certificates stating he was in perfect health and had not consumed any drugs."

• 2:52:55Joe Rogan?

  "It ruined his career and he never piloted a plane again."

• 2:52:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:52:59Speaker 03

  This is his first solo flight, too.

• 2:53:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, your first solo flight, you're like, "I am gonna pull a fucking gag on these motherfuckers. I got an idea. I got some extra gas."

• 2:53:12Speaker 01

  That was 1976?

• 2:53:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:53:17Speaker 01

  Nah, I definitely... I don't know if I believe that account, but I do believe that there's other life forms out there.

• 2:53:23Joe Rogan?

  My problem is I wanna believe that account. That's always the problem with all these things. I wanna believe. I wanna believe so bad that I... I don't think about them rationally sometimes.

• 2:53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, these stories are all, it's like whether you trust the source or not, but I... you know.

• 2:53:39Joe Rogan?

  What would you do, though?

• 2:53:40Speaker 01

  The universe is too big for us to be the only ones here.

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:53:44Speaker 01

  And I don't care that Mars doesn't have any water. Maybe they don't need water.

• 2:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, they think Mars used to have a full atmosphere. And do you know that there's structures on Mars? That they've observed even recently that look like perfect squares? That are huge?

• 2:53:58Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:53:58Joe Rogan?

  There's this one that I showed to Elon. I go, "What is that? Tell me, what do you think that is?" He's like, "Well, should probably go there and look around." Like, yeah, we should probably go there and look around.

• 2:54:06Speaker 01

  And he's the guy to do it.

• 2:54:07Joe Rogan?

  But what is, like, he didn't, didn't wanna say what he thought it was, but I'm looking at him like, "Do you think this could have been, at one point in time, a structure?" 'Cause it has perfect right angles and it's a square, and it's huge.

• 2:54:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:18Joe Rogan?

  They said it's at least hundreds of meters across, but it might be miles across. They're just, it's rough estimates, but they know it's large. Have you seen it? Jamie will show it to you. But it's a, like, a literal square. There's a bunch of shit that's weird there, that's like the face on Mars, but I'm not totally convinced about that, but that one's nuts. Like, that's kinda crazy. Didn't that look kinda crazy?

• 2:54:44Speaker 01

  It's on the right?

• 2:54:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's kinda crazy.

• 2:54:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:48Joe Rogan?

  That looks like a fucking square.

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that looks like a foundation.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, tell me what the fuck that is. What is that?

• 2:54:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  That does not look normal. Those angles don't look normal at all. That lower left-hand corner? Like, what is that? And then the fact that it's roughly a square? I mean, I don't know if it's a square or a rectangle. It seems like it's a little taller than it is wide. But whatever it is, it looks like a fucking structure, man.

• 2:55:15Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 2:55:16Speaker 01

  Well, just because we can't exist there doesn't mean other life forms can't exist there.

• 2:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Or other life forms used to exist there.

• 2:55:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, imagine if there was, like, if there's life on Earth, right now, today, and if Mars, at one point in time, had a sustainable atmosphere, like, millions and millions of years ago, what if there was life on Mars? What if we are the offspring of the life on Mars? What if those fucking guys just realized, like, "Hey, this, this place is falling apart, let's shoot over to Earth and reestablish."

• 2:55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:44Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that might be why we're so different than every other primate that's here.

• 2:55:49Speaker 01

  I never thought about it like that. That might be true. I just think it's so vast and we know so little about everything, it's possible. That's just, I kinda like broaden it that way, where it's like, "It's all possible. The universe is infinite and we know very little about it."

• 2:56:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's totally possible. It's just not likely. I mean, it seems, 'cause you haven't seen anything. Like, it's not like-

• 2:56:08Speaker 01

  But we're trying to use our logical brains to figure out. It's like, "Could this be possible?" It's like, it's-

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Who fucking knows?

• 2:56:14Speaker 01

  There's so much we don't know, and we have such a limited scope with our human minds to even comprehend stuff, so it's like, you know. I'm big on the near-death experiences.

• 2:56:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:25Speaker 01

  I watch all of those.

• 2:56:26Joe Rogan?

  What do you think that's all about?

• 2:56:27Speaker 01

  Um, cuz it really puts it on the table. I was raised Catholic. I'm Catholic now, but it's like, it's the, everybody has like a similar experience where they go through a tunnel.

• 2:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:56:40Speaker 01

  And they come out and then there's a life review. Where it's like your whole life is played out before you.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:56:47Speaker 01

  And, you know, it doesn't matter if you're religious or that seems not to matter at all. What the, what seems to matter is like the little kindnesses that you do to people.

• 2:56:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:56Speaker 01

  Like, like smiling at someone who's, or giving somebody some kind words who had a bad day. It's like, it speaks to the thing that we're all connected.

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:05Speaker 01

  We're all connected in, um, on this higher level.

• 2:57:09Joe Rogan?

  I definitely think that's true.

• 2:57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:11Joe Rogan?

  I think reality is probably a lot weirder than we think it is. And whatever happens to you after you're dead, it's very weird that people have similar stories.

• 2:57:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:57:20Joe Rogan?

  Very, very weird.

• 2:57:21Speaker 01

  From different countries also.

• 2:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, from all over the world. And also, long before there was any social media or any like public depictions of these things. People have always had very similar stories of these things happening to them. Which is, makes you wonder like, what, what is death? You know, and what is, what is life? What is consciousness? Does it transcend? Does it go somewhere else? And it always has. Is, is it a constant cycle?

• 2:57:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

• 2:57:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:50Speaker 01

  So it's like, it's gotta go somewhere. Your soul, I guess for a lack of a better term, has to go somewhere.

• 2:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And if you were looking at, if you were an alien being, looking at the direction that the human race is going. I would imagine you would be worried. I would imagine you'd see all the chaos and guys falling in love with AI.

• 2:58:10Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:58:11Joe Rogan?

  People beating people up at jazz concerts. You're like, this is not good.

• 2:58:14Speaker 01

  But we don't know where we are in the timeline.

• 2:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58:16Speaker 01

  Either to total, you know, we think, I was like, this is gonna change things and we're headed towards total destruction. It's like, but we don't know where we are in that continuum. It's like, it could do an uptick again and we could rebound and, you know what I mean?

• 2:58:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:29Speaker 01

  So, we just don't know.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  If we had the right intentions, right? Like, if we had the intention of doing things designed to improve the human race versus doing things designed to only make money. You know, like if we collectively as a group abandon the idea of just doing things only for profit, and instead embrace the idea of helping the human race, complete turnaround. We change everything. Change the whole world.

• 2:58:55Speaker 01

  It has to happen on a micro level, though, where it's like, you know, it's the

• 2:59:00Speaker 01

  it's the religion, it's the religious thing of love your neighbor.

• 2:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:04Speaker 01

  It's got to start on a very micro level.

• 2:59:05Joe Rogan?

  Which is probably why that stuff exists. Probably why that exists in so many cultures is because they kind of knew that this is the general direction the human race has to go if we're gonna survive.

• 2:59:15Speaker 01

  Were you talking about religion?

• 2:59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if you had like a guidance from somewhere else, from a higher power, well, it would probably tell you exactly what Jesus told you.

• 2:59:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:59:24Joe Rogan?

  It would, that's probably the message.

• 2:59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. The only way. The message of Jesus, whether you believe in it or not, is beautiful.

• 2:59:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:59:29Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, love your neighbor.

• 2:59:30Joe Rogan?

  It's the only way to get through what we're in now.

• 2:59:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Absolutely.

• 2:59:35Joe Rogan?

  It's a good way to end this podcast, Mike. When are you back?

• 2:59:38Speaker 01

  Peace be with you.

• 2:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Peace be with you. And also with you. That's how you say it, right?

• 2:59:43Speaker 01

  Yes, and also with you.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  When are you back?

• 2:59:45Speaker 01

  Um, back here?

• 2:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when are you back in the club?

• 2:59:47Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know, I'm gonna reach out to Adam.

• 2:59:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:59:51Speaker 01

  But, uh, thank you so much for everything.

• 2:59:53Joe Rogan?

  Last time I saw you, you were awesome, man.

• 2:59:53Speaker 01

  Thank you, man. I really appreciate the work and appreciate you having me on here. This is a huge deal for me.

• 2:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Anytime, my brother, anytime. You have a special out, right?

• 3:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's called Low Income White.

• 3:00:02Joe Rogan?

  There it is. That's you.

• 3:00:03Speaker 01

  And, uh, Nate Bargatze, my friend.

• 3:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Nate.

• 3:00:06Speaker 01

  Insanely successful and talented.

• 3:00:09Joe Rogan?

  And awesome.

• 3:00:10Speaker 01

  He's giving us, an awesome guy, giving me and a lot of other people under the Nate Land banner opportunities, so.

• 3:00:15Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 3:00:16Speaker 01

  Shout out to Nate, shout out to Nate. He made this.

• 3:00:18Joe Rogan?

  I love that.

• 3:00:19Speaker 01

  And, uh, he's putting other comics on, under his brand. Thank you, it's a cool one.

• 3:00:23Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty clutch. I like the diamond stitching.

• 3:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of people online said he's wearing lipstick, but I wasn't.

• 3:00:28Joe Rogan?

  What? Wait a minute, let me see.

• 3:00:30Speaker 01

  All the comments say lipstick.

• 3:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're just fucking with you. You don't look like you're wearing lipstick.

• 3:00:35Speaker 01

  But I shot at the Zany's Lab. Shout out to Zany's in Nashville and Nate Bargatze and the Nate Land brand. Thank you for having me on.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. All right, brother.

• 3:00:43Speaker 01

  I appreciate it, bud.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, my friend, always. All right, bye, everybody.

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