Episode 511: Dr. Mindy Pelz: Fix Your Metabolism with the Right Type of Fast

What if the confusion around fasting and hormones isn't because the science is complicated, but because most people are using the wrong tools for the wrong goals? In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mindy Pelz to get clear about what fasting actually does, when it helps, and when it backfires. This is a conversation about taking ownership of your metabolism instead of chasing trends that don't match your life. We talk about the viral moment from her Stephen Bartlett interview, how misinformation spreads, and what she learned from being at the center of it. Mindy breaks down her six core fasts, why women need a different strategy, and how to adjust your approach if you train hard. We get into cycle-based fasting, fertility, menopause, HRT, toxic load, peptides, creatine, apple cider vinegar, and the rise of GLP-1 drugs. If you've ever wondered how to use fasting without wrecking your energy or performance, this episode will give you a clearer path forward. Dr. Mindy Pelz is a bestselling author, educator, and functional health expert known as the fasting guru. Her books Fast Like a Girl and Age Like a Girl have helped millions of women rethink metabolic health, hormones, and aging, and she has led hundreds of thousands of people through community fasts that focus on real-world results, not quick fixes. What We Discuss: (00:00) How a Misquote Went Viral and Changed Mindy's Career (04:12) What the Internet Got Wrong About Testosterone and Fasting (11:19) The Biggest Fasting Mistakes Most People Still Make (17:05) The Six Core Types of Fasting and When to Use Each (23:28) Fasting for Gut Repair, Weight Loss, and Dopamine Reset (28:54) How Athletes and Active Women Should Adapt Their Fasts (34:04) Cycle-Based Fasting and Hormonal Timing for Women (43:00) Supplement Cycling, Autophagy, and Metabolic Flexibility (55:19) GLP-1 Drugs, Gut Health, and the Real Drivers of Hunger (59:31) The Long-Term Risks of Quick-Fix Weight Loss Trends (01:05:40) Fertility, Progesterone Needs, and Rethinking HRT (01:16:14) Menopause, Brain Rewiring, and Building Cognitive Strength (01:28:48) Peptides, ACV, and Final Insights Before Wrap-Up Thank you to our sponsors: Therasage: Head over to therasage.com http://therasage.com/ and use code Be Bold for 15% off Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com http://airdoctorpro.com/ and use promo code HUSTLE40 for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Magic Mind: Head over to www http://www/.magicmind.com http://magicmind.com//jen and use code Jen at checkout. Momentous: Shop this link https://www.livemomentous.com/?srsltid=AfmBOorDUIZz3psr1Qsq_n1yE8_6JTq_QUFabOO9lH65HDEXCIoJOPLj and use code Jen for 20% off Manna Vitality: Visit mannavitality.com http://mannavitality.com/ and use code JENNIFER20 for 20% off your order Prolon: Get 30% off sitewide plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their 5-Day Program! Just visit https://prolonlife.com/JENNIFERCOHEN and use code JENNIFERCOHEN to claim your discount and your bonus gift. Amp fit is the perfect balance of tech and training, designed for people who do it all and still want to feel strong doing it. Check it out at https://www.joinamp.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=in-stream&utm_campaign=jen joinamp.com/jen http://joinamp.com/jen Find more from Jen: Website: www.jennifercohen.com https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen https://www.instagram.com/therealjencohen/ Books: www.jennifercohen.com/books https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Dr. Mindy Pelz: Website: www.drmindypelz.com http://www.drmindypelz.com Instagram: @dr.mindypelz https://www.instagram.com/dr.mindypelz/ TikTok: @drmindypelz https://www.tiktok.com/@drmindypelz YouTube: @drmindypelz https://www.youtube.com/c/DrMindyPelz

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Hi guys, this is Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

• 0:07Jen Cohen?

  I have Dr. Mindy Pelz on the podcast, you guys. She's a friend of mine. And so this happens all the time, right? When I have people who I like very much and we start doing this podcast, all the good stuff happens before we start filming. So I'm like, stop it.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Stop talking.

• 0:22Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, stop talking. Let's start.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:25Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so Dr. Mindy Pelz, she is like the, she's known as like the fasting guru. Like you, we were just saying before we started filming that you were on such a trajectory when I met you and now you've become like a mainstream like name. And she's written a ton of books, Fast Like a Girl. Her newest book is called Age Like a Girl. You wrote like a couple other books prior.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, Eat Like a Girl was in between. It's a trilogy now.

• 0:49Jen Cohen?

  Exactly. It's like Eat Like a Girl. I mean, you're kind of getting the point. So we're gonna go, we're gonna like get right into everything. But I was actually just saying to Mindy just now, and we stopped so we can start recording, how you, how she kind of skyrocketed. And she was telling me that Steve Bartlett. So can you just kind of just go from there? So?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, so Fast Like a Girl came out in December 2022.

• 1:10Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  And like, I knew what I put in that book was gonna work for people because I'd already done it in my clinic. I had seen it in my online world. But when the book went out, there, people started getting results. And so they started sharing it. And then all the podcasters started bringing me on. The podcast interview that went viral, it had like 10 million views within like a month or two, was Stephen Bartlett's Diary of the CEO.

• 1:33Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  And

• 1:35Jen Cohen?

  He does a great job.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  He's a great interviewer. And what ended up happening is it was like a weird configuration of it. At the time, I was 52 and he was 31. And it was like this 52 year old woman educating a 31 year old man on women's hormones and fasting. And there was something about our rapport that just set the whole thing into motion. And everybody loved it, both men and women. We got, we got questions from men saying, you know, comments saying, thank you. You taught me how. My a little more about why my wife operates the certain way and why she acts a certain way.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  But the thing that we were talking about was it's a very famous quote in a very negative way that some of your listeners might know. He asked me about fasting for men. And I quoted a study that was a misquote. And I said, when a man fasts for 24 hours, he improves his testosterone by 1300%. Okay, the actual study was growth hormone. And whenever you improve growth hormone, you improve all the other hormones. So Jason Fung, all the fasting experts that came before me, we used to say, we know all these other hormones are going to be increased because with fasting, because you increase growth hormone.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  So there's a lot of nuance there. But the interesting part of the story is I I got bullied. And literally bots, people, health influencers that had big bro culture podcasts bullied me, made fun of me, did TikToks with like, look at her, thinking that 1300% increase in testosterone. They tagged Huberman in it. They tagged Thomas Daylauer, if you know him. And literally, everybody laughed. It was like a public embarrassment. It was it was horrible. And I wanted to go on to my YouTube channel and say, here was the original study.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  This is what we found. This is what it looked like. But everybody on my PR team said, don't say anything. You've got to let this moment like run its course. Because the minute you speak, everybody, it's just going to fire, it's going to flame, inflame everybody. So I never could speak on it. Yeah. And so after that, that moment, not only because of the 10 million views, but because of the bullying, I started getting recognized everywhere. Everything went crazy on my socials. Book sales went through the roof. Invitations for other podcasts, like it was the defining moment of my career, and it was both good and bad.

• 4:20Jen Cohen?

  Oh my gosh.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:21Jen Cohen?

  Even though you misquoted, you said, it didn't matter because that just proves that any press is good press.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah, very true.

• 4:29Jen Cohen?

  You can say whatever the hell you want. Good, like real, fake.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:34Jen Cohen?

  You know, misquoted and it doesn't matter.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:37Jen Cohen?

  It will skyrocket you.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 4:39Jen Cohen?

  That's really scary, actually.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you know what's, and what's really interesting is like, I really wanted to go back and really explain it to everybody. And we, I have since, once it kind of calmed down, I went back to, I mean, it was, the thing to know about a Stephen Bartlett interview, he had me in the chair for three and a half hours.

• 4:58Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  At some point, you're gonna say something that's sloppy and, and.

• 5:04Jen Cohen?

  So you're probably like, you probably need like a, like a, like a protein bar or something.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 5:08Jen Cohen?

  Or like a cup of coffee.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Well, and when I got done, I told him, I'm like, you never put a menopausal woman in a chair for three and a half hours and ask her to focus. And he and I joked about it. But yeah, but you're gonna say something at some point.

• 5:21Jen Cohen?

  Uh, what was the actual, what was the real, what was the?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  So 24 hours of fasting will increase growth hormone in both men and women. Mostly, they, they went on to study it even deeper in men by 1,300%. That's huge. So the question is, what does growth hormone do and when does it diminish? So growth hormone diminishes at 30. So you don't get as much growth hormone, both men and women. So when you go into a fasted state, you have 24 hours, you increase this hormone that is the precursor to making every hormone. Now, this is really interesting because in a man's body, the main sex hormone they have to focus on is testosterone. Testosterone gets made in the testes and it goes up to the brain and converts to estrogen.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  They don't make estrogen in their bodies and they don't, there's not much progesterone. So when we were originally looking at the early studies on fasting, we were like, okay, well, if growth hormone goes up by 1,300% in a man, testosterone must follow. So it was a, a nonlinear way of looking at sex hormones. Now, new studies have come out and they've done specifically on men and, and fasting and testosterone, and they're conflicting. Some of them say testosterone goes up, some of them say testosterone goes down.

• 6:44Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  But the study, I, if I had just said growth hormone, we would have been fine. But I, in the hour, two hour and thirty minutes in.

• 6:53Jen Cohen?

  Right, you said the wrong word.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  I said the wrong hormone. And that fueled.

• 6:58Jen Cohen?

  The whole thing.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  The whole thing.

• 6:59Jen Cohen?

  Well, this is social media, right?

• 7:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:01Jen Cohen?

  I mean, but, but I, I'm, I'm actually more on the fact that anybody can go on there. They can, they can say anything.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Very true.

• 7:08Jen Cohen?

  And the more polarizing you are, the more, actually, sometimes the wrong, more wrong you are, that's what gets the attention because of the back and forth.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 7:19Jen Cohen?

  But then that person will get the opportunities to go on other podcasts because people just care at the end of the day about the number, right?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 7:27Jen Cohen?

  If you're tracking.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 7:28Jen Cohen?

  Right?

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Very well said.

• 7:29Jen Cohen?

  If you're getting shared, if you're getting likes, that's just putting you more and more on the algorithm, which then people take advantage of.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:36Jen Cohen?

  So then there's, that, that kind of goes into my next question, misinformation. Because, you know, that was an honest mistake.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:42Jen Cohen?

  Which I'm sure a lot of people make honest mistakes. But there are a lot of people out there who are not making mistakes, you know, by accident.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 7:49Jen Cohen?

  So with all this misinformation, how do people, because I, I have a million questions on fasting, like, you know, last time you were on the show or and I was on yours, whatever. I'm not, I, I exercise a lot, right?

• 8:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember, I remember, I feel like I'm having deja vu of like three, four, or five, seven years ago, something like that.

• 8:09Jen Cohen?

  I think it was like six years ago. By the way, I'm still in the same place, but, but that's a whole other story altogether.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  This is what I love about you.

• 8:18Jen Cohen?

  The first thing is I want to ask, because I, when I, when I knew you were coming on, I was telling people and people were like, ask her this, ask her that, right?

• 8:25Speaker 02

  I love this.

• 8:26Jen Cohen?

  So the first is, what's the biggest mistake people actually make when fasting?

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:30Jen Cohen?

  Because, again, with social media, there's so many myths about it.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:35Jen Cohen?

  So what is the, what is the first, what is the biggest mistake people make with fasting?

• 8:39Speaker 02

  So when we first started teaching fasting on socials, there were so many questions about what you can do in your fasting window. So people were like, can I have coffee? Can I drink juice? They, people, a lot of people to answer, I, I would say, this is the biggest one and it shocks me, that people think fasting means no food. But that they can drink something. We even got questions like, can I have a Diet Coke? Can I chew gum? And so the biggest myth is that fasting is literally a state of not letting your blood sugar rise.

• 9:16Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  That's what you're trying not to do. So if you, if you drink a cup of coffee and your blood sugar stays stable, you are still in a fasted state. But if you drink a green juice with all kinds of vegetables in it, your blood sugar may rise and you've now pulled yourself out of a fasted state.

• 9:34Jen Cohen?

  So then you could drink coffee.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  You can drink coffee.

• 9:37Jen Cohen?

  Because coffee is not, so, so like what about, because the thing is, people say you can have coffee with fat in it.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:45Jen Cohen?

  Right? But you can't have milk.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  So again, here's the biggest thing about that fasting window.

• 9:51Jen Cohen?

  Cream versus milk.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've, you've got to put a CGM on, a continuous glucose monitor on and test it for yourself. Because everybody's different. But I'll give you sort of the general guidelines because coffee with cream works for some people and sometimes not for others. So, so it really depends. So let's, let's go through coffee because coffee is a really important one for fasters.

• 10:14Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Black coffee can stimulate something called autophagy, which is your cells' ability to detox itself. It's, it's phenomenal. A black coffee from Starbucks is full of chemicals. You don't want to be drinking a cup of chemicals. And I'm not throwing Starbucks under that. I mean, it's all, get organic, clean coffee. Drink it in your fasting window. Nine and a half times out of 10, I'm going to tell you that that'll keep you in a fasted state. Just don't make it the chemical stuff.

• 10:44Jen Cohen?

  That's interesting. So not all black coffee is created equal.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 10:49Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 10:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:50Jen Cohen?

  So if you go and get a Starbucks black coffee, it's the chemicals and it can actually interrupt the fast?

• 10:55Speaker 02

  That, it can interrupt the healing process that's happening in the fast. So, so the quality of coffee matters. Let's start there. Now, put a fat in it. If you put a fat in your coffee.

• 11:08Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  What it will do is it'll kill your hunger. So now what fat are you gonna put in that coffee? The best fat to put in there, and I'm not, we're not talking about taste right now. The best fat is MCT oil. A teaspoon of MCT oil, what it will do is go up to the brain and it'll turn off the hunger hormone. And it'll help your body make more ketones, which is part of why we fast is to burn fat to make ketones.

• 11:34Jen Cohen?

  Do you remember when like butter in your coffee was like a big deal?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 11:37Jen Cohen?

  Do you believe in that then? Do you think it works?

• 11:40Speaker 02

  I think I'd rather people put MCT oil in.

• 11:42Jen Cohen?

  Right, because it's better.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, the only reason it worked is because it it's killed hunger.

• 11:47Jen Cohen?

  Right, because so much fat.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, because of so much fat.

• 11:50Jen Cohen?

  So was there any like scientific proof behind the butter in the coffee besides the the fat satiating your appetite?

• 11:58Speaker 02

  It didn't, it stabilized your blood sugar. So it didn't spike your blood sugar, so you're still in a fasted state.

• 12:05Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  And it killed hunger. So the question is now, what kind of butter are you gonna get?

• 12:10Jen Cohen?

  Right, then it comes back to the whole thing, right? It has to be a proper kind of butter. Would you drink that? Is that something you would drink?

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I, you know, every once in a while I'll go to like, you know, Air One and get like a buttered coffee because I know I'm not gonna eat all day. Actually, today is a day I'm not gonna eat all day until tonight, and I almost went and got a buttered coffee beforehand. Um, just because they'll whip it up and make it really nice and they'll put MCT oil in it.

• 12:36Jen Cohen?

  And it'll satiate you.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  It'll satiate me and I can go the whole day.

• 12:40Jen Cohen?

  Are you still about, because I know that you talk about six types of fasting.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:45Jen Cohen?

  Is it all, but I remember like you were a water faster for a long.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, we still.

• 12:50Jen Cohen?

  Do you only do water fasting now?

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Uh, it depends on the length. So if I go into a three day water fast, which we do twice a year with our community. We lead hundreds of thousands of people through this experience.

• 13:02Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Completely free, so fun to watch, and I will tell people water only, water only. You can have coffee if you want, but the purpose of a three day water fast is to completely clean your system out.

• 13:15Jen Cohen?

  Wow, so nothing.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 13:17Jen Cohen?

  Okay, because what are the six type, okay, what are the six types of fasting that you talk about?

• 13:22Speaker 02

  So the first one is intermittent fasting. Most people know that. That's like 12, somewhere between 12 and 15 hours without food.

• 13:30Jen Cohen?

  Right. That's a common one.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Very common.

• 13:32Jen Cohen?

  It's more like, that's kind of like a wind, like kind of like a food restricting window.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. The second one is autophagy fasting where you're stimulating your cells' ability to clean itself and detox itself. That's at 17 hours. So people who want more of a detox effect, they need to go 17 hours.

• 13:52Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  So, third one is a gut reset and it's at 24 hours. The research shows that your body makes intestinal stem cells. So you make cells that go in and repair the gut. That one's really powerful and I use that in my clinic all the time. And I got people off all kinds of supplements just by getting them to 24 hour fast. They can repair their gut.

• 14:13Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's probably my favorite fast. When people are like, I'm bloated, I have diarrhea, constipation, I have leaky gut. All the gut dysbiosis, you can cure that by one 24 hour fast every week. Just get used to doing that on a weekly basis and your body will heal itself.

• 14:33Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 14:34Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 14:34Jen Cohen?

  So all you need is nothing, basically?

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 14:37Jen Cohen?

  Water?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Right, just water.

• 14:38Jen Cohen?

  Once a week?

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Once a week.

• 14:40Jen Cohen?

  For how long?

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Uh, until your symptoms improve and then if you're doing better, you can start to do it once a quarter. The everyday, the 24 hour fast, it's, it's really up to you what you want to do.

• 14:50Jen Cohen?

  Okay, what are the other ones?

• 14:51Speaker 02

  So then 36 hours is what I started doing that one for patients who just couldn't lose weight. And I found some research that was showing that sometimes you just got to go a little longer to tell the body, hey, you stored some fat, you stored some glucose, you stored some things years ago around my belly, you know, in my booty. And so at 36 hours, if somebody's weight loss resistant, throw a 36 hour fast at it. It really unsticks weight. And now everything else you're doing, your training, your food, everything else works better. So that, that's my favorite one for weight loss. 48 hours of dopamine reset. So 48 hours without food and your whole dopamine system in your brain resets itself.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  And you get actually new receptor sites for dopamine will actually start to form. And the reason behind that, that's really cool, is that the body's now like, hey, it's been 48 hours without food. I need you to be motivated to go find food. So it resets the whole motivation system.

• 15:52Jen Cohen?

  Wow. And so how did you research all of these things and get these benchmarks? Like, oh, at 24 hours, it's the greatest one for weight loss, or at 48 is the greatest one, or for your gut. How do you know all that? Like, what is your back? Like, how did you back?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  How did I find that? Yeah. Like, so when I first discovered the term autophagy, I was doing so much detox in my clinic. And autophagy is basically translates into self-eating. And I was like, wait a second, the body will detox if you take food out of the equation? Like, could I just have teach my patients how to detox through fasting? And then they don't have to spend all this money on supplements? I mean, I'm not anti-supplement, but I'm pro-patient. I want the patient to get well with the, at the least expense, at the best thing we have. And our own internal healing system is the best thing we have. So I started understanding autophagy and I started looking on PubMed,

• 16:51Speaker 02

  which is the site that all the peer-reviewed journals are. And I went through a period, like about 10 years ago, where I literally spent 20 hours a week on PubMed researching fasting. I did that for like three years. I was obsessed. Every single study I could ever find. And then I would practice with my patients. I'd be like, hey, we're gonna try a 17-hour. We're gonna try a 24. And then I watched it work. And then I practiced with my online community. I'm like, hey, everybody, we're gonna do what we call fast training week, where I was like, we're just gonna play with, for five days, we're gonna try this fast. And I want you all to report back. Then I hired a team of people to like, listen to everybody and tell me what they reported back.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  So you're talking like a good three years of massive research. And I boiled it down to these six fasts that work for people.

• 17:42Jen Cohen?

  Based on all the information you kind of aggregated, that's how you found the fast at 24 hours works for this, 48 hours works for that?

• 17:59Jen Cohen?

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• 19:35Jen Cohen?

  What about like the fat, like, you know, Prolon's fast mimicking diet, which is five, there's tons of research backing it, tons of science. You're eating.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:45Jen Cohen?

  Does it work like a fasting, a water fast?

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it depends. So here's the big, we should probably even go back to the biggest myth.

• 19:52Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  That fasting is not a diet. It's not a fad, it's a healing tool. So when you pick that length fast, when you're like, what length fast should I do? You need to ask yourself the next question. And what am I trying to accomplish? So when we look at the fast mimicking diet, which is what ProLon is, Walter Longo, who's who was the one that discovered the three day water fast would reboot the whole immune system. He was like, I don't think people will go off food for three days. So what's the most minimal amount of food I can give somebody to get at the similar experience? And what he discovered was the fast mimicking diet and it was keep a person under 800 calories.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Keep their carbohydrate down and he and he didn't, I haven't been able to figure out is I tried to reverse engineer ProLon for many years.

• 20:45Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:46Jen Cohen?

  There's a method to the madness because people love it.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:49Jen Cohen?

  I know doctors who put their patients on it quarterly.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  That's I'm not opposed to it.

• 20:54Jen Cohen?

  No, but but you're saying it works.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:56Jen Cohen?

  It's just.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it works. And like I've got, I've been on ProLon a couple of times. I watched my ketones go up. The study he did on the fast mimicking diet is profound. He found if you put people on the fast mimicking diet, five days a month for three months, that he started to see type one diabetics. He started to see their pancreas, actually those cells that weren't working to produce insulin. They started regrowing.

• 21:23Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  So an injured pancreas started to heal itself on the fast mimicking diet. Walter and his team gets all the credit for that. That is amazing. So I can see why doctors are like, here you go.

• 21:34Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Here's a box. Just follow these instructions for a week.

• 21:38Jen Cohen?

  Right. Because I think so. I think with lots of people, like you want to eliminate the the stress or the work.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:47Jen Cohen?

  Behind it. It's like, oh, it's easier to say to someone here, do this than like get them to figure it out on their own.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:52Jen Cohen?

  Right?

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 21:53Jen Cohen?

  But what I was going to actually ask you then, so if fasting works by eating a little amount of food, why would anybody take a water fast?

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Because

• 22:02Jen Cohen?

  Or do a water fast.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, so here's the thing.

• 22:04Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  When people start fasting, they actually find eating a little bit of food more difficult than the water fast.

• 22:11Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  And there's two reasons for that. In a water fast, what's gonna happen is you're gonna metabolically shift over your fat burning system a whole lot quicker. And I've watched this on my own continuous glucose monitor and ketone reader. In a water fast, I can go into ketosis within 24 hours and boom, and once you're in ketosis, your body's burning fat and those ketones go up into the brain. They make you really mentally sharp. They kill hunger. And that happens very quickly in a water fast.

• 22:42Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 22:42Speaker 02

  With ProLon, it took a day or two for that to happen. Because you're eating food that's high in carbohydrates. It's high, pretty high in carbohydrates.

• 22:51Jen Cohen?

  They re-formulated.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 22:53Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I have one here. I was gonna give it to you to try. I was curious to get your opinion on it.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, well, I told the CEO, I was like, you need to get it all organic.

• 23:01Jen Cohen?

  It is all organic.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  I, this, this call that I had with him was like, five years ago.

• 23:06Jen Cohen?

  This is great. Tell me what else. This is interesting.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, you need to get it all organic. You need to get the plastic out of it. Like, why are you putting this in, the olives in a plastic container? Like, now you're adding plastics to it.

• 23:17Jen Cohen?

  They changed that, too. I'll show it to you.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 23:19Jen Cohen?

  They revamped the whole thing, the soups. You have to see this thing.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Oh, amazing.

• 23:22Jen Cohen?

  So that's why, what else?

• 23:24Speaker 02

  So, and then, and then the organic, the plastics, and the sweetness. They had a little cookie in it. Do they still have a cookie in it?

• 23:32Jen Cohen?

  I don't know. I think I gotta check it out.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Because if I'm a, if I have a sugar addiction, and you give me a little bit of sweetness, the next couple of days are gonna be really hard.

• 23:43Jen Cohen?

  Yes.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  So I was, and then the other thing I asked is I'm like, why would you eat this all day long? Why wouldn't you have people eat this in a, in one window of time? Tell them to eat it in eight, an eight hour eating window, not eat all day long. They'll get ketones quicker, they'll be less hungry.

• 24:01Jen Cohen?

  This is, this is fascinating.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  That was, that was the conversation this CEO, you know, and I had.

• 24:06Jen Cohen?

  That is great. So, so like, so basically, though, those are, those are valid points, though.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:12Jen Cohen?

  You know, like, very valid points.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:14Jen Cohen?

  I still find, this is what I find hard, and I know I'm gonna like, you probably have heard this a million times, for me, fasting while you're very active is excruciatingly difficult.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:26Jen Cohen?

  So like, when I, I actually just did the pro-lum for the first time, and I, I understand the benefits, but I found that I couldn't exercise as severely, or like, I shouldn't say severe, as intensely as I normally could, because you don't have the energy.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:41Jen Cohen?

  So how do people, like, what do you tell people, for people who are active, you're active.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 24:46Jen Cohen?

  How do people who are, who are very into like, you know, fitness and activity, can you prescribe the best type of fasting protocol for those people who are very active? Cause I've yet to see it.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  It's such a good question, and it's one of the things that turns uber-fit people away from fasting.

• 25:04Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  So again, let's go back to our tools. These six different length fasts are like, think of them like supplements, or think of them like a workout.

• 25:12Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Some days you're lifting weights, some days you're doing endurance, some days you're doing balance exercise. So when do you need to pull these tools out? Well, the first thing, is anybody doing a 12-hour fast, even the most fit person could do that.

• 25:28Jen Cohen?

  See, that to me, the intermittent fasting to me, isn't really even, I don't think of that as a fast. I think of that just like an eating, like, kind of like, an eating schedule.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:38Jen Cohen?

  Right? You can do it on that.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:40Jen Cohen?

  I'm talking when you're getting into like, two, three, even a 24-hour fast seems doable.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  So a 20, I would throw a 24-hour fast for a fit person on a recovery day when they're not working out. So, because now you're cleaning up the whole system, and then, the next day, don't make it a heavy day. You'll get up, have breakfast, have your protein, your carbs, whatever combo works for you.

• 26:01Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  But a 24-hour would be a recovery day. Whereas 12 and 13 hours every single day are pretty easy for most people to do. Think of it as, it's a rest, you're digest, when else are you giving your digestion a rest? If you're eating all day long so you can work out, there needs to be periods where the gut is not bringing in food and trying to assimilate all of that.

• 26:25Jen Cohen?

  What, like, who should not be fasting?

• 26:28Speaker 02

  I think that there's a couple of people, I think people with eating disorders need to actually involve a psychologist or something because it can trigger that. Pregnancy, absolutely not, absolutely not. That, I met a guy one time that's like, oh, I put all my, I'm like, fuck, no.

• 26:42Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I would imagine that'd be terrible. Who would ever do a fast when they're pregnant?

• 26:46Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 26:46Jen Cohen?

  You're like feeding two people.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Right. No, it's crazy. Believe me, I've had people try. Nursing, you don't want to go over 17 hours because at 17 hours, you're dumping toxins and those toxins are going to go into your baby. But I still would say, don't, don't, that's not your tool. Eat, you need to eat so you get enough nourishment. People with thyroid problems, they can fast, but what they need to make sure is every day they're getting 1,200 calories into their diet every single day. You need at least 1,200 calories every day to keep the thyroid working right.

• 27:19Jen Cohen?

  So, so people who have thyroid issues, obviously pregnant people or people who are nursing, people who have eating disorders. To me, you know, there's a few different myths that like, people who do have disordered eating love this because it's a, it's a, it's a way for them to restrict calories, right?

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Very true.

• 27:36Jen Cohen?

  Which is, which is why it's very scary.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Yes, agreed.

• 27:39Jen Cohen?

  And people use this as a way to figure out ways to cut calories.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:44Jen Cohen?

  Right?

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:45Jen Cohen?

  I'm also concerned that sometimes I'm noticing people who are doing these intermittent fast, fast because they actually end up getting an eating disorder on them.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Like orthorexia kind of thing.

• 27:57Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, because it's like they, because sometimes the things like you become, you become much more cognizant of not eating or when you can't eat and when you could eat.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:06Jen Cohen?

  Versus just like eating when you're hungry or eating, you know, your breakfast, lunch and dinner, you know?

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And, and I, the disordered eating is a big one. And I have watched people with massive disordered eating really do well with fasting, but you have to sort of back them in. I worked with a very famous actress who had a very public eating disorder and she came to me wanting to balance her hormones. And I was like, oh God, how are we going to do this?

• 28:32Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  So for the first 90 days, I put a continuous glucose monitor. On her and I said, I just want you to track your food. And I taught her about foods that spike blood sugar. I taught her about combination of foods together. So I taught her a better eating routine and how to stabilize her blood sugar. We did that for 90 days. Then I started to teach her how to push her, her, her breakfast back an hour and we slowly started to work on that. But we had to stabilize her relationship to food. We did that for about a year and then she went back into filming the next series of her show. And it was like she got the benefit of fasting without the obsession of control.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Because she could use fasting to make ketones when she was on set and she was like focused. But then when there was a lunch break or a dinner break, she knew the combination of food to put together. So that her blood sugar wouldn't spike, so that she wouldn't gain weight. So it was a different type of control.

• 29:33Jen Cohen?

  Right. It's just, it's just kind of like switching out one type of control for another.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 29:39Jen Cohen?

  So that's why like food in itself, though, it's like really scary because you know, alcohol, if you quit, you don't have to ever eat it again.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:45Jen Cohen?

  Food, it's like you have to eat eventually, right?

• 29:48Speaker 02

  You have to eat.

• 29:48Jen Cohen?

  You have to eat. Cause you brought up something, obviously in your, the new book, Age Like a Girl. Um, and also this is what you talk about a lot and the menopause, perimenopause, fasting, dieting. The other big myth is like, is that we, and I've actually thought I've noticed this myself, that women don't do as well on fasting as men because of the hormones.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:12Jen Cohen?

  Would you say to that, especially in menopause, I would imagine with the hormones everywhere?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So Fast Like a Girl was the solution to that in the sense that what I taught the world was there were times during your menstrual cycle, you don't fast.

• 30:25Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  And those are between during ovulation, day 10 of your cycle to day 15.

• 30:30Jen Cohen?

  You do not.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Don't, you can fast a little bit, like 13, 14 hours, but not more than that. You want to keep it at a low intermittent fast. But the week before your period, you don't fast at all because you need glucose to make, to make progesterone. And progesterone is the hormone that comes in the week before your period. So a lot of, I'm sure you see this in the fitness world. A lot of people lose their cycle. A lot of women lose their cycle when there's not enough calories.

• 30:57Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  There's not enough glucose. That whole system shuts down. So I say no fasting the week before your period. For the menopausal woman, this one's really interesting because estrogen's decline means you become more insulin resistant. That's messed up. Like estrogen helped your body use glucose for energy. And now she's gone and your cells, or she's going away, your cells don't know how to keep itself metabolically healthy. So this is why so many women gain weight. Your go to at that point is fasting. Like with Age Like a Girl, I have doubled down on fasting for menopausal women.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  It is absolutely the tool, and let me tell you why. When you go, and we can break it out according to somebody's lifestyle. But when you go into a longer fasted state, what happens is your body makes a ketone. And the only way it can make a ketone is by burning fat. So it has to burn fat in order to make the ketone. The ketone goes up into your brain. It turns off hunger, but it also sharpens your mental clarity. So now, and it also, by the way, increases a neurotransmitter called GABA that calms you.

• 32:16Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  So I can be 48 years old, have major brain fog, have been gaining weight just looking at food. And now all of a sudden I'm teaching that 48 year old to go into a 15, 17 hour fast. And they're going to lose weight and increase their mental clarity because they've put this tool into place. That's going to give them both weight loss and mental clarity. I'll give you another interesting conversation I had, and I talk about it in the book. Lisa Moscone, she's like the number one female brain researcher right now. I brought her on my podcast and said, tell me what menopausal women should be eating. And they go into menopause because the brain isn't as good as using glucose.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  And she was like, well, they need to learn how to make ketones. I'm like, yes, exactly. So

• 33:09Jen Cohen?

  Interesting.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  We're not bringing the ketone into the brain picture for menopausal women. So you gotta start fasting when you're in menopause to get that brain energy back online. And the byproduct of that is you burn fat to get the ketone.

• 33:25Jen Cohen?

  See, the thing is though, do you know who Stacy Sims is?

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 33:27Jen Cohen?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Did you have her here?

• 33:29Jen Cohen?

  Of course, I love her, yes. I asked her all about this and she disagrees. She says you should not be fasting, women should not be fasting.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  This is so good.

• 33:39Jen Cohen?

  Yeah. And I brought you up, actually.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, I'm curious what she said, so.

• 33:45Jen Cohen?

  You gotta watch the episode.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, well, I know. So let me tell you what, because I brought Stacy on my podcast.

• 33:51Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I saw.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Because I was like, let's just, if we disagree, let's talk about it.

• 33:55Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  So

• 33:56Jen Cohen?

  What happened?

• 33:57Speaker 02

  She's looking at it through the lens of an endurance athlete female.

• 34:02Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  That is her, that is her person. It's also probably a lot of people listening to this. So through an endurance athlete's perception, if you're gonna go do a heavy workout, you don't want to do it in a fasted state. I would agree with that. This is why I'm saying these longer fasts can go into a place of recovery days.

• 34:24Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Or a, or a, an easier workout day.

• 34:27Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  So we, we aligned on that.

• 34:30Jen Cohen?

  Like a 24 hour day?

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:32Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Or even 17 hours, like

• 34:34Jen Cohen?

  The intermittent fasting.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:35Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  So if you're gonna wake up in the morning and go, you know, you're lifting some really heavy weights, like you need some protein before that.

• 34:42Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  So you have two options. Maybe you, you don't eat dinner as late so that you can still fit the 13, 14, 15 hour eating window in there.

• 34:51Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  And then the next morning, you eat protein before you go work out. Now you can do both, both things.

• 34:57Jen Cohen?

  See, to me, that's not really the complication. It's more about the law, again, it's with the activity and the hormones and the metabolism.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Okay. So the second thing that Stacy says, at least on my Podcast.

• 35:08Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  She said that when you first wake up, if you have food, you start the hormonal cycle. That's her big thing. You, food is going to help you hit the, the, tell the hippocampus, I'm sorry, the hypothalamus, it's time to start making hormones today.

• 35:25Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  So, okay, I can kind of see, I can go with that. So if we go with that theory, what I asked her, did you ask her what she eats before she works out?

• 35:35Jen Cohen?

  Protein.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  So, not every day. So on my podcast, she told me she does a protein coffee.

• 35:43Jen Cohen?

  Oh, yes. That's exactly what she said. You are right. She puts protein powder in the coffee. I remember that. And then I saw her making it one time.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. She does a protein coffee, collagen powder, creatine, all of that butter, cream. She has like a mega dosed coffee before she works out that's packed with protein.

• 36:04Jen Cohen?

  Yes, I remember that.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  So, okay, this gets really nuanced, but it's really important. I was like dying to share this.

• 36:11Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  So this is the perfect place to do this.

• 36:13Jen Cohen?

  Try it. Go.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Okay. When we go into a fasted state, we do it for a variety of reasons. If you just want to go into ketosis and get ketones, Stacy's Protein Rich Coffee will work for you.

• 36:28Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  You can have protein, you can, you can stay in ketosis, you're getting ketones, you're burning fat, and you're locked and loaded for your intense workout. Plus, you've stimulated the hypothalamus for its, to tell it to start to make hormones like, like cortisol and growth hormone and, and insulin and all the, all the different, and even estrogen and testosterone. Testosterone's mostly made in the morning.

• 36:52Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  So her coffee works if you're trying to use the tool of ketosis and stay in that.

• 36:59Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  That's beautiful. If you're trying to stimulate autophagy, which is the body detoxing itself, now, or you're trying to make stem cells, that protein coffee is not going to work. So we started this off talking about coffee with MCT oil.

• 37:14Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  That's for the faster who's trying to stimulate this healing detox effect. And it works incredible. For the faster who wants to work out really hard, try Stacy's mega dosed coffee. Phenomenal. And then when you're done working out, you got a mega load on protein. She and I both agree with that.

• 37:36Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Now, this new book, I'm doubling down on longer fasts for mental clarity. Very different. Stacy's looking at fitness. I'm looking at the 48-year-old woman who's maybe not fit, but she can't even remember anything anymore. And she's having trouble focusing. She needs to get into a deeper fasted state. That protein coffee is not going to work for her. She needs more ketones. She needs more autophagy. She needs to be able to get her brain back online.

• 38:10Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so that makes sense to me. So it sounds to me there's all sorts of different benefits and advantages to fasting. And certain ones, right?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:21Jen Cohen?

  Certain ones don't work for certain people's lifestyle.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 38:25Jen Cohen?

  That's what it is.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:26Jen Cohen?

  So like, that's what I've kind of gleaned from all this so far, is that for my lifestyle, because I am very active and I have to be active. I think a lot of people, maybe not, or maybe, who at this stage of life, like 40s, 50s, they're also exercising to build lean muscle, right? Because that's what they have to do. And for mental clarity, for their brain more than their body at this point. So you have to pick a fasting protocol that won't interfere with that.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 38:55Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 39:01Jen Cohen?

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• 39:46Jen Cohen?

  And use my code Jen for 35% off your first subscription. That's livemomentous.com code Jen for 35% off your first subscription. Trust me, you'll be happy you did.

• 40:10Jen Cohen?

  So then the other people like you, you're a good example. So someone like you who's 55, you said?

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 40:15Jen Cohen?

  You're a fasting guru. You have all these, you know, everything about a fast, fast, fast. How often are you fasting? Are you active? Like, what is your protocol?

• 40:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I would say most days I will throw a 15 hour fast in. It's just natural for me. I'll have, I'll have coffee in the morning. I put collagen in. I've been, and I'll tell you why.

• 40:35Jen Cohen?

  In the coffee?

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been doing it lately. And again, it depends what you're trying to do. So I've been doing collagen and creatine in my coffee lately because I'm not looking for detox right now. I'm not looking for a tophagy. And I'll tell you why.

• 40:48Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  I just started surfing. So I moved to Santa Cruz. A friend took me out surfing. I fell in love with it. I suck at it. I'm getting a lot better. I can actually catch the wave and stand on it.

• 40:59Jen Cohen?

  Good for you. I love that.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, but what I noticed was I would come home from surfing. I was famished. And so, and I also noticed that if I didn't put creatine and collagen in my coffee, I couldn't paddle as well. My, my strength paddling, which is a big part when of surfing, when you, especially when you first learn. So I quickly changed my fasting protocol. And I was like, I'm going to finish dinner at six o'clock at night. I'm going to protein pack my dinner. Nothing else is going in my mouth. I'm going to get up in the morning. I surf at 7:30 in the morning. I'm going to do a Stacy, let's just call it Stacy Sims coffee.

• 41:37Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Before I go and surf. And then when I come home, I'm going to power up on protein again. Strangely, the beginning of learning the sport, I started carb craving for the first time. All I wanted was carbs. So I would have a huge breakfast at 10 o'clock in the morning, something I've never done. When I wasn't surfing. Surfing and I wasn't trying this new activity. I would have the coffee I told you, black coffee with MCT oil and my first meal would be at two. But I started surfing, so now I had to adjust my window. I had to make sure I powered up on protein. If I don't power up on protein the night before, then I don't feel like I have as much oomph in the water the next day.

• 42:15Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  If I don't put collagen and creatine in my coffee in the morning, don't have as much oomph. So I rearranged my fasting behaviors to meet this new sport that I was learning.

• 42:25Jen Cohen?

  Right. So I think it's really important because I think that people beat themselves up. I was like, when I first met you, I'm like, I can't do this because of my fitness thing. But it's because I literally did not have the like, I was so hungry, I would get nauseous because like, especially cardiovascular workouts, I found like if you're a runner, if you're somebody who does like endurance stuff, how like it's so hard to work.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  On the endurance ones.

• 42:50Jen Cohen?

  On the endurance ones. That's what I'm saying. The weight training, resistance training, much better to do it with.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  But so then let's use like, you know, again, I want people to see they're all tools. It's like, and Stacy and I just laughed when I brought her on my podcast. I'm like, do you know why your hair? And she's like, yes. I'm like, are you tired of everybody tagging each other? So it was a really, you can go hear our conversation on my podcast. But like today, I'm, I'm here, I'm traveling home. I'm not surfing today. And so I'll fast, I'll have, my team is, we're having a team gathering tonight. And so I'll, I'll eat at six o'clock and I stopped eating last night at six o'clock. So today's a travel day. I'm here with you. I had my coffee this morning without collagen in it and I'm, I'll fast all day today.

• 43:37Jen Cohen?

  So then how often do you do the longer fast? Like the three day, four day, five day fast?

• 43:41Speaker 02

  So for me and what I recommend for people is once to twice a year, do a three day water fast. We do them as a community every January and September. I don't recommend you work out during that time. You're drinking water only. Use it like a spiritual tool, like a cleanse. So just because you're not a faster or because it's not your regular thing, you can still throw that in as like a detox. It's the cheapest detox. Talks around that's the most effective.

• 44:08Jen Cohen?

  Right, like tha- that's the thing, right? Like, it's not like you're telling people to buy some fancy thing. It's just like, just don't eat for three days.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Just don't eat, like your body, your, our bodies are miraculous. And we, especially the female body. And we have decided that we give more power to the supplement, more power to the doctor, more power to the podcast or health influencer. Than to our own body that we carry around.

• 44:30Jen Cohen?

  Right, like, what do you, what's your take on supplements? Do you take any?

• 44:34Speaker 02

  I cycle them. So I don't think we should be taking the same supplement a day in and day out.

• 44:39Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  So, so this is another really important concept because what people do is let's say I take a probiotic.

• 44:46Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  I'm taking a probiotic, hopefully you know why. I used to sit with patients all the time and I'd, they would bring bags of supplements.

• 44:54Jen Cohen?

  A hundred percent.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  And I'd be like, okay, pull them all out and tell me why you're taking them. Nobody could tell me. Literally, people will pull out, pull out a supplement, they'd be like, well, my friend said she got good results with this one. They pull another one out, they're like, this one came through Instagram, I thought it looked really good. So we would do away with all supplements. So you take a supplement to make a difference in your body. So if you're taking a probiotic, you are trying to introduce a new strain of bacteria into your gut to make you a more diverse microbiome. But if you take that probiotic every single day of the year, at some point, your body becomes deaf to it. It's like, I don't know, you, okay, you introduce it in the beginning and you're like, woo, this is great.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  I've noticed that like the bloating's gone down, my bowel movements are back. But after about 90 days, your body has now adapted and you're wasting your money. So I, at my golden rule for me and my patients is every 90 days, we switch tho- those supplements. And sometimes you completely get off supplements and use your lifestyle and then you can get back on them.

• 46:02Jen Cohen?

  That's a very good point. So I'm a big believer in cycling too, because your body, I, to me, it's a little common sense. Like, your body acclimates to everything you do.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 46:11Jen Cohen?

  Your weight training, cardio, everything. If you do something for too long, like muscle memory, like first, like not muscle, but it's basically like your body adapts.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:20Jen Cohen?

  And so that's why you have to constantly change it. Like even with vitamin D, right? Everyone's like, you must take vitamin D every single day. But once also, if you're not getting your tests done, if you do, like you don't know, you might be now way over your vitamin D capacity.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 46:34Jen Cohen?

  And not even know.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  I, this just happened to me with vitamin D.

• 46:37Jen Cohen?

  Right, me too.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  I was really low in vitamin D and I started taking it. And then when my blood work came back, I was like, whoa.

• 46:43Jen Cohen?

  Way over it.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Way high.

• 46:45Jen Cohen?

  Yep.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  So then I went off of it. And then I was like, okay, let me see if I can use the sun. Let me see if I, you know, if I can, and then I retested and I'm like, no, it's too low now. Okay, I gotta go back on.

• 46:55Jen Cohen?

  Well, that's, well, this is the problem, right? Like, people are not, they take it one test and then they get supplemented. And then that's their thing for a year, two, three, five.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 47:02Jen Cohen?

  Five years. So when you say cycle, so you're saying you, you prefer, your, your whole methodology is 90 days, like three months on.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 47:11Jen Cohen?

  How much off? A week, two weeks off?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  It depends. But if you're in just prevention, I would say anywhere from two to four weeks.

• 47:17Jen Cohen?

  Two to four weeks?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:18Jen Cohen?

  And then you kind of, you can either.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  You go back on.

• 47:20Jen Cohen?

  And you can recalibrate. You should get another, I would think you should get another blood test.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Depends what you're testing for, you know. But like, if you went on a supplement, you noticed a difference, and then you stop noticing a difference, get off of it for a couple of weeks and see if you're fine. Maybe you're fine. Maybe you don't need to go back on it.

• 47:36Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  But let's say, all of a sudden, you're like, oh, shoot, I noticed that I'm constipated because my probiotic was helping me. Go back on it and see if that, if it, if you need it.

• 47:47Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Like, we gotta get off of it. And it's kind of like fasting. This is why I like fasting. Get off of food for a moment, let your body heal itself, then go back on to food. You're gonna see what foods work, what foods don't work. Like, we need breaks, even like exercise. We need breaks from things.

• 48:02Jen Cohen?

  Everything. Yeah. I mean, even like, you know, this is for friends, a lot of my friends actually laugh at me because I eat the same things over and over and over again. I think a lot of people who are In like the fitness space do that, right?

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you find your things.

• 48:15Jen Cohen?

  And like, it's actually a problem. Because I think, I was gonna say to you, I think that, and I've seen you talk about this and write about this, that we should be eating for our microbes and not for our cravings. That's, I understand that I want you to talk about that. But what about for us other people who are eating out of like habitual, like, you know, like, it's habitual for me now to every morning have my eggs. Every afternoon I have this thing, every da, da, da, da. Like, I'm so structured.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:42Jen Cohen?

  I, I think what's happened, and I, maybe you can agree or tell me if this is actually just in my head. Your body can start becoming allergic to these things because you're eating them too often.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  So much, yes. So, very true.

• 48:55Jen Cohen?

  Right, okay.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  So, the way we look at food selection should be through the microbiome. So, the micro, when you're eating, you're not fueling per se your human cells. You're actually fueling your microbes. So, when you eat those eggs, what happens is the microbes go in and break it down into different nutrients. So, choline's a great nutrient that's great for the brain from eggs. It is your microbes that break that food down and make them readily accessible for your human cells. So, the microbes are like the broker. They're like the one that you bring it in and then they decide what it needs to, what it could, should change into so it can fuel your body.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  So, these microbes are also fueling your cravings. Like, they're the ones that are telling you more chocolate, more carbs, more sugar.

• 49:48Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  So, if you eat the same food over and over and over again, we have trillions of bacteria in our gut. They all need different foods. They want diversity of foods. So, if you're eating the same thing over and over again, you're starving out some of those microbes. They're like, I don't get any food.

• 50:07Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  And then the, you're strengthening other ones and it's what we call a monoculture. Where all of a sudden dominant microbes are running your system. And those microbes may keep fueling cravings. Those microbes actually fuel your brain. They tell your liver to make ketones, like the name of the game is diversity. You want to open up your eating style and eat as many different types of food as possible. So you're getting a very diverse set of microbes in your gut.

• 50:38Jen Cohen?

  What would be some like signs that we're we're not eating enough variety?

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Uh, well, digestive changes would be, yeah.

• 50:45Jen Cohen?

  Or like bloating?

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Bloating, constipation, diarrhea. Constipation is probably the biggest one that I see. Um, but you can even go into depression, anxiety, you know, the

• 50:57Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, those microbes make serotonin. And so maybe you're like, let's use your diet as an example. Maybe your diet's working for weight loss, energy, fitness. But if you're doing the same foods, you're not giving the foods, the microbes that make serotonin. So all of a sudden, depression could kick in or anxiety could kick in.

• 51:18Jen Cohen?

  That's a great point because we get so myopic in what we're what we think, what we're used to, right? Like, kind of like, we do the same thing, especially like in this space. I think like we're in a culture of high performers, high performance, go, go, go, go, go. We do what we've done.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 51:35Jen Cohen?

  Even if it doesn't work for us anymore.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 51:38Jen Cohen?

  Right?

• 51:38Speaker 02

  And diversity is not that hard. It's really for the microbes. A lot of it is plant diversity. So just open up your fruits and vegetables. I'm not talking

• 51:46Jen Cohen?

  That's true, I guess.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not complicated. I'm not saying start eating like going into bread. Cause I know like for some people that's they that can be like a slippery slope. What I'm saying is stop eating the same stuff over and over again. Because this monoculture is going to have over the long haul.

• 52:02Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Is going to have a really gnarly impact on both your physical and mental health.

• 52:07Jen Cohen?

  What's your, what's your take on all the weight loss drugs now? Like all the Ozempics and Monjaro's and all, and every day it's, it's working on like two, two strains. It's like GLP one, the Ozempic was on one strand. Now it's the other ones are working on two different

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:21Jen Cohen?

  receptors and three receptors. What is your whole take?

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Okay. So thank you for asking this. The first I would say is what part of your body makes the GLP one hormone? Do you know?

• 52:35Jen Cohen?

  The gut?

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:36Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  So the microbes.

• 52:38Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  The microbes, this is a perfect example. It's a great segue question.

• 52:42Jen Cohen?

  I was gonna say, it was a great segue.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  That was like perfect, is the microbes make GLP-1 hormone? So if all of a sudden you are deficient in GLP-1 hormone, then the real, we go back to can we feed the microbes that make GLP-1 hormone? And there are some things that we know, like yerba mate. Yerba mate tea actually feeds the microbes that make GLP-1 hormone and can actually start to kill hunger. We see it in the fasting world all the time. Yerba mate tea is amazing. It is a nutrient that feeds the microbes that make that hormone. So powerful. That's incredible.

• 53:22Jen Cohen?

  Does anyone know that?

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it came out, like when the GLP-1 came out. You know who brought it to everybody's attention?

• 53:27Jen Cohen?

  Who?

• 53:28Speaker 02

  The glucose goddess. Do you remember her?

• 53:30Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, of course I do. She was supposed to be on here. I don't know what happened, actually.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:33Jen Cohen?

  She talked about the, so I have some outside, that yerba mate.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:37Jen Cohen?

  Tea, that, so that has, that would actually help?

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, so that starts to feed those microbes. And then what happens is those microbes start making GLP-1 hormone. So the other thing that feeds those microbes, fiber. So are you having enough fibery foods, like leafy green vegetables? You know what kills those microbes? Fat, bad fat. Canola oil, cottonseed oil, corn oil, all the toxic fat. So now let's put Ozempic in with, in, in perspective. How did the world get obese? Is, it's toxic food with toxic oils. So now all of a sudden, it's not calorie in and calorie out game anymore. Obesity is coming from the ultra-processed foods

• 54:22Speaker 02

  that are killing the microbes, the fat is killing the microbes that are making GLP-1 hormone. So how convenient the big pharma came up with a pharmaceutical that is going to bring that hormone back. I'm not saying we don't do it. I'm just saying that it's not root cause.

• 54:41Jen Cohen?

  Do you know what's funny that you said that? I was thinking something interesting when you were talking. That don't you find it interesting? I was thinking the reverse that now I don't know about you. You live around you live like I live in LA and I gotta be honest with you. I don't see any fat people here anymore.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 54:57Jen Cohen?

  It's actually kind of like creepy.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz that's really true.

• 55:00Jen Cohen?

  It's like everybody is on a GLP one of some form.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:05Jen Cohen?

  To the point where that just tells me though, is it maybe, maybe it is calorie in calorie out because it's, it's basically stopping people from eating. The people are not hungry.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  You know what they're

• 55:16Jen Cohen?

  Everyone's like emaciated.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  You know what they're doing?

• 55:19Jen Cohen?

  What?

• 55:20Speaker 02

  A fasting lifestyle.

• 55:21Jen Cohen?

  Well, yes.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  They're fasting.

• 55:23Jen Cohen?

  That's what they're doing.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  So I I've sat with so many friends who went on it, people that went on it. I'm like, tell me what what you learn, what you're doing. And they're like, I'm not hungry. I'm like, yeah, that that's what happens when I start fasting. You, when you start learning and doing daily fast, you stop, you're not hungry anymore. They're like, my brain is clear. Oh, yeah, that's what happens when I start fasting. So it's, it's to me, yes, it saves lives. And there's so many interesting things that we're learning about GLP one hormone. And if you can afford it, fine.

• 55:52Jen Cohen?

  It's expensive.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  It's very expensive.

• 55:54Jen Cohen?

  That's why it's funny. LA people have a lot of money here. And but I gotta tell you something like it is absurd to me how you walk around in this city. Nobody is fat and no one's overweight.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:06Jen Cohen?

  Like people that I've known a hundred years that always had a little bit of more meat on their bones. Skinny as could be.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:13Jen Cohen?

  Mike, what is the, I think that's actually kind of dangerous. And what I actually have heard recently, tell me if you've heard this, if you've noticed this, that some people who've been on it now, cuz it's been very popular for what, like three years, maybe two, three years?

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:26Jen Cohen?

  There's been a little bit of like, the pendulum has now swung slightly the other way because people say that if you're on it for too long, again, your body's acclimating.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, because now you're telling, you bring up a really good point because now you're telling your microbes, hey, I got enough GLP one. You don't need to make them for me anymore.

• 56:44Jen Cohen?

  That's my point. It's not working as well.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:46Jen Cohen?

  It's not as effective anymore. So you like, at the beginning, they, they, what do they do? They uh, they dose you. So you keep on increasing your dose gradually.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:55Jen Cohen?

  But that What happens? You eventually get to that place where it's like your body's now like acclimated to it. People are are getting hungry again.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 57:03Jen Cohen?

  And so they're eating again. They haven't changed their lifestyle habits.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Right. They didn't. They didn't get to the root cause of why they got overweight in the first place.

• 57:10Jen Cohen?

  Exactly.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  And you know, people say, oh, it's genetics or no, it's not. There was a destruction of these microbes. The first question to ask yourself is you've been doing ultra processed foods. Are you doing the wrong oils? Get off those oils, increase your diversity of vegetables and fruits and feed those microbes. Go into the yerba mata, use more. I even saw a study that showed the order in which you eat food can affect the microbes that make GLP one.

• 57:37Jen Cohen?

  I heard that too.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:38Jen Cohen?

  I heard that. Have you heard this? Like you eat protein first before you eat anything? Then you eat your fruit, then you eat your vegetable?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:45Jen Cohen?

  Is that true?

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Protein first.

• 57:46Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  Fiber second.

• 57:48Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  And then carbohydrates. So if you're gonna do pasta or bread, that should be the last thing you eat.

• 57:53Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Even like a, even a sweet potato, which I love dearly.

• 57:57Jen Cohen?

  Me too.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Like you just, you would eat it last. You want to eat the night. And I do this. I eat, I usually do, we do grass fed steak like almost every other night.

• 58:05Jen Cohen?

  I love that.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll do like a steak, then I'll have my salad and then I'll have my sweet potato with grass fed butter on it. That's like a pretty classic order. I would eat something.

• 58:14Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, that sounds like, sounds very similar to me.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:16Jen Cohen?

  So like, do you have you noticed with your, are your patients on a lot of, I'm sure most of them or some of them are in GLPs.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 58:23Jen Cohen?

  It has, even if they're, they're lying to you if they're saying they're not, right?

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, for sure. A lot of, we've had a lot of liars that we just have. I'm always like, hey, no judgment. Like I'm

• 58:33Jen Cohen?

  Just, yeah, like.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  I'm not judging anybody. I just think the name of the health game is never to be addicted to a medication that you have to be on for the rest of your life.

• 58:43Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Like blood pressure medication. Yeah. Okay. Your doctor says be on it for the rest of your life, but do you know there's a lot of lifestyle tools you can use to not be on that medication?

• 58:53Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, exactly. People want the, the quick fix. It's like we were talking earlier. They don't want to think about how they can do it on themselves.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:00Jen Cohen?

  If you, if you just hand them something and say, follow this.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:05Jen Cohen?

  People like that's, that's what they prefer.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:07Jen Cohen?

  Right. That's why, why do you think online courses and coaches are at like an all time high?

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:12Jen Cohen?

  Cause people just want you to give them a module that even though most of this stuff is like they can do on their own. You can write on your piece of paper and you know, and save yourself thousands of dollars. People rather pay to get information that they already know.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:25Jen Cohen?

  Because they think it's easy psychologically, it just takes the pressure off of them.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:30Jen Cohen?

  You know?

• 59:30Speaker 02

  And I understand that. And if, if that's your path and you're not having any side effects. I'm personally somebody who's a little nervous about a drug that hasn't been studied for decades upon decades.

• 59:44Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Like, like, uh, like, let's talk about another weight loss trend that was so trendy for a long time, which was, uh,

• 59:50Jen Cohen?

  Fen-phen?

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Uh, no, the laparoscopic surgery where they tie the stomach.

• 59:54Jen Cohen?

  Of course. You mean when the, you know, when they, the stomach just, yeah.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Was it that, what was it?

• 59:59Jen Cohen?

  There's a few of them.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Were they like tied up the stomach? So you couldn't eat as much?

• 1:00:04Jen Cohen?

  Because then you can't, you can, your stomach was, they shrunk your stomach with surgery.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Jen Cohen?

  What was it called?

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  I don't know why I can't remember it all of a sudden. It's, it's, um, anyways, it was, it was lap band. It was called a lap band surgery was like the.

• 1:00:18Jen Cohen?

  It was very popular.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  So for years.

• 1:00:20Jen Cohen?

  And then by the way, you know what happened? People started to gain their weight back and they ate through it.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Jen Cohen?

  You know?

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  And they had all kinds of other health problems.

• 1:00:27Jen Cohen?

  Oh, yeah. What other ones did they have?

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Um, so there was definitely the gut dysbiosis was an issue. So depression and all of that showed up. Diabetes, they all started getting weird forms of hemoglobin A1C, which is a marker for diabetes started elevating.

• 1:00:43Jen Cohen?

  Oh.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  I think because the stomach didn't have enough time to break down the glucose molecules. So it was spiking their glucose and making them prediabetic.

• 1:00:54Jen Cohen?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  So because you needed that time in the stomach to actually get all the juices in there to break all the food down. So there ended up being a consequence.

• 1:01:03Jen Cohen?

  Oh, there's always a consequence. That's the thing.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:01:06Jen Cohen?

  So that's interesting. I bet you, I mean, listen, I, I have a feeling that you're going to, we're going to see even more of the pendulum. You're going to see people actually gain a lot. A lot of weight, like actually go to the other side.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:17Jen Cohen?

  Because you can only take this stuff for so long. Right. And then you can't, you're gonna hit it, you're gonna hit a

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Jen Cohen?

  Ceiling.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Jen Cohen?

  You know?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Let's use another trend that people got really into, especially here in LA. Um, all the botox and fillers.

• 1:01:31Jen Cohen?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  And then they, then we realized, oh, God, it like over time, you're actually gonna have a boomerang effect.

• 1:01:37Jen Cohen?

  Oh, that's so true.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  And all of a sudden, now you can't even hold a tight skin because I mean, uh, who was it? Courtney Cox became the poster child.

• 1:01:45Jen Cohen?

  I didn't see this, tell me.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  She became the poster child of, of too much plastic surgery. And her face started drooping and it was mostly around fillers. And so they put all the fillers in her and then they put botox in her and then all of a sudden her face started doing weird things because the muscles had been frozen. And so the long-term effect of that was that she wasn't able to do both of those at the same time. But now what does she do? She can't, this was like three years ago, she came out really public and she's like, I wish I hadn't done so much. It was like the cost of beauty on the other side.

• 1:02:19Jen Cohen?

  Of course. Meg Ryan, I thought that was too. That happened to her too.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  There were a couple of.

• 1:02:24Jen Cohen?

  It wasn't, because there's, these are all thing, like this is like, what, like, everyone goes extreme, right?

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:02:29Jen Cohen?

  Like, it's never just a little.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:02:31Jen Cohen?

  It's always gonna be a little, it's more is more, right?

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:34Jen Cohen?

  Like, and that's the problem.

• 1:02:41Jen Cohen?

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• 1:04:03Jen Cohen?

  Okay, I've got other questions for you. Okay, women and fertility and fasting.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so good.

• 1:04:08Jen Cohen?

  It is?

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  It's so good. Okay, here's the story.

• 1:04:12Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  When I was first trying to decide this fasting cycle.

• 1:04:16Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  I had studied fasting, like I told you, 20 hours a week, diving into the research. I knew it worked and I started sharing it on my YouTube channel.

• 1:04:27Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  But the women on the YouTube were giving me comments like, my hair is falling out. I'm losing my cycle. I can't get pregnant, like all these little weird things. So I took what I knew in fasting and I literally whiteboarded it in my office. I put down everything I knew about estrogen, everything I knew about progesterone and testosterone. I looked at it and I was like, oh, wait. Estrogen actually wants us, our glucose to be low. Estrogen wants, you gotta be insulin sensitive. So the first thing on fertility that anybody struggling with fertility needs to know is if your hemoglobin A1C is high, if it's 5.5 or higher,

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  you gotta clean your metabolic system up because you won't make enough estrogen to be able to release an egg. So you need glucose to be low, insulin to be low to make estrogen. But the crazy thing is you need glucose to be high to make progesterone, which is why extreme athletes, extreme fasters, extreme dieters.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Can't get pregnant because they are the most of the time their blood sugar gets so low for too long, there's not enough glucose in the system to be able to make progesterone. Okay, same woman, totally different, totally opposing theories. So what I did is I was like, what if we took a woman that was struggling to get pregnant? We put her into more fasting at the front half of her cycle and then the back half of her cycle, we didn't have her fast at all. And we actually had her eat healthy carbs, like fruits, vegetables, sweet potatoes, potatoes. Would that work? So I started with a member on my team who had a high BMI. So she

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  was overweight. She had been trying to get pregnant for over a year and her doctor told her it was because she was overweight. She was never going to get pregnant. So I said, front half of your cycle, I want you to fast and go keto. Back half of your cycle, I want you to eat carbs and not fast. Give me 90 days. Within 30 days, she got pregnant. Had been trying for a year. So then I was like, okay, let's try this again. So I tried it with four other patients at that point. Every single one of them got pregnant within 30 days. Same thing. They'd been trying for a while. So when Fast Like a Girl came out, I was like, wait a second. What is going to happen if the whole world tries this story after story

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  of women becoming fertile and getting pregnant, doing exactly what I just told you. I even put an infertility protocol in Fast Like a Girl where I'm like, this is what I did. And over and over again, women are getting pregnant. So if the if the woman is the is the challenge, if the man's the challenge is not going to help. But it's fasting, low carb, front half of your cycle, more carbs, healthy carbs, no fasting back half. And now you're you're giving both hormones what they need.

• 1:07:28Jen Cohen?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  It was really cool.

• 1:07:30Jen Cohen?

  Do people, do people know about the fertility, infertility, fertility and fasting?

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they know now.

• 1:07:36Jen Cohen?

  I just think there's so many myths around fasting, right? I think the women parts, but the hormone part. Do you believe in HRT then?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  I do, I do, but again, we're back to the same conversation as Ozempic and everything else.

• 1:07:49Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:50Jen Cohen?

  No, that's, that's true.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Hormone replacement, there are plenty of women who have made it through menopause and done incredibly well without hormone replacement therapy. There's also plenty of women who haven't weathered very well through menopause without hormon, not using hormone replacement.

• 1:08:09Jen Cohen?

  Right, right.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  The challenge I have with hormone replacement therapy, and this is so huge, and I want people to understand this, is just because you put the hormone into your body doesn't mean your body knows what to do with it. It is an exogenous outside source. So you need to make sure the body is ready to receive this hormone. Okay, what's the number one thing you need to make sure that a body can receive a hormone? You gotta be metabolically healthy. If you are not metabolically healthy, you put that hormone into your body and we don't know what it's gonna do with it. Okay, second thing, at the, on every cell lives receptor sites.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Receptor sites are like gateways that allow hormones to get in there. There are toxins that block these receptor sites and make it so that glucose can't get into the cell, insulin can't get into the cell, hormones can't get into the cell. So what's your toxic load? Bring your toxic load down.

• 1:09:11Jen Cohen?

  That's a great point.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  So there's so much lifestyle that we're leaving out of the hormone replacement therapy conversation.

• 1:09:19Jen Cohen?

  So people would always say, they'll counter that by saying, oh no, because the hormones are bio-identical.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  They're bio-identical, but if you use them bio-identical, a lot of the hormones that are being used right now are, that we're talking about, that women are jumping on are not bio-identical.

• 1:09:37Jen Cohen?

  They're not?

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the hormone conversation has, has been, everybody get on HRT.

• 1:09:43Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  We have lost the nuance. We have lost that there are bio-identical hormones and there are synthetic hormones. For sure, you need to get on bio-identical hormones. And how do you know you're on bio-identical hormones? Because you have to go to a compounding pharmacy to get them. A very different pharmacy than your CVS or your Walgreens.

• 1:10:04Jen Cohen?

  Right. But doesn't a doctor normally have to prescribe them anyway?

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:10:08Jen Cohen?

  But would a doctor prescribe? Like, who would prescribe a synthetic one? Like, what doctors?

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  Oh, there's a thousand of them. There's millions of them out there right now.

• 1:10:16Jen Cohen?

  That's, so that's the first thing. So bio-identical for sure.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:10:20Jen Cohen?

  But are you saying if someone is on bio-identical, would it still be, would your, can your body still reject it based on the toxic load?

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  It's all about your cells' ability to receive.

• 1:10:30Jen Cohen?

  So how would you know? What are some signs that maybe, that maybe your body cannot receive?

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Great question.

• 1:10:35Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, receive them.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Uh, first thing, do you gain weight when you go on them?

• 1:10:39Jen Cohen?

  That was my question to you. I bet you, I mean, I'm scared of these things, to be honest with myself.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:10:44Jen Cohen?

  Because I also, I know, I've had every single menopause expert on the planet on this podcast. I've spoken to everybody. And they all say, oh, no, no. They give me a million factoids on why I shouldn't be scared. But I still, in my head, believe that it's cancer-causing. Because whenever you're putting something in your body hormonally,

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:03Jen Cohen?

  I just think, you never know.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, your, your hunch is, is strong, and I think we should all still be a-asking that question.

• 1:11:12Jen Cohen?

  Well, I'm scared.

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  So like, I, I've been asking the question of, everybody's walking around going, we got the study wrong. Okay, can we just talk about that for a moment? Isn't the job of the researchers and the team of researchers to interpret the data correctly? How the hell did the data get misinterpreted that dramatically?

• 1:11:34Jen Cohen?

  For that many years.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  For that many years.

• 1:11:35Jen Cohen?

  Yeah. Like, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't, it doesn't like compute, like, the math's not mathing in my head.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:43Jen Cohen?

  Because I can't understand, like, there, to me, like, if someone wants to be on HRT, because, yes, if you're on, it can maybe get you more lean muscle mass, like, all those Maybe more, I don't know, more, kind of like more of the vanity reasons.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:59Jen Cohen?

  That's one thing, but I would be scared based on like for just doing something for vanity on the other end.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:12:06Jen Cohen?

  Five pounds heavier or 10 pounds heavier, but be healthier.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Be alive.

• 1:12:10Jen Cohen?

  Be alive.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:11Jen Cohen?

  Exactly.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:12:12Jen Cohen?

  You know?

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  So, so we have to question this, like, oh, they got the study wrong. Okay, well, maybe we should all individually go read the study.

• 1:12:21Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, where is the study?

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 1:12:23Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:12:24Jen Cohen?

  Yep.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  So, so there's that. Then the other thing that we have to look at is lifestyle. Where, when did we throw lifestyle out the window? I just had a major hormone expert on my podcast and I was like, okay, so if I'm going to increase testosterone, which she was a big fan of, I'm like, tell me what else I should do in my lifestyle.

• 1:12:46Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  And her point, and it's a valid point. Her point was if I put somebody on testosterone, now that person's motivated to do their lifestyle.

• 1:12:56Jen Cohen?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  And I was like, I'm like, okay, that's legit, but why don't we do them both at the same time?

• 1:13:02Jen Cohen?

  Right, and also, you know, I was also told, so this is the problem. One person will say that, that the testosterone, you know, they put their patient on testosterone. Other, other respected hormone doctors would say, actually, you can't just be putting your patient on one hormone. You have, if you're putting them on one, you're going to put them on the other three as well.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 1:13:23Jen Cohen?

  Right? You can't just do one.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Bingo, yeah.

• 1:13:26Jen Cohen?

  Cause then you'll be, you know what I mean?

• 1:13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the other thing, and this one is the craziest, is you know what's the worst for menopause? It doesn't matter what therapy you're on.

• 1:13:36Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Is stress.

• 1:13:37Jen Cohen?

  Stress.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  You, you can't rub enough estrogen onto a woman to undo a stressed lifestyle.

• 1:13:46Jen Cohen?

  I, listen, you're preaching to the converted. I am so confused by, I don't know if, again, this is like too much information overload where now there's so much information out there. I don't, menopause has become like the wild, wild west now on social media.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:14:01Jen Cohen?

  Everybody's an expert.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:14:03Jen Cohen?

  Zillion like, you know, contrary opinions everywhere. So I just choose to do nothing.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Jen Cohen?

  Cause I'm scared.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:10Jen Cohen?

  Right?

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  That's kind of how I do. I, I, so I always go to my lifestyle first.

• 1:14:14Jen Cohen?

  Right. That's what I, that's exactly what I do. I'm like, gonna work out. I'll, I'll do weights because I know weights can't kill me.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Jen Cohen?

  You know?

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:14:20Jen Cohen?

  Like, I don't, but everyone's on like a bazillion peptides, right?

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  Oh, I like peptides. Peptides are fun, but they're also a question to ask.

• 1:14:28Jen Cohen?

  I don't know what to, what to go on. What are you taking?

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. Well, let's go into the peptide conversation a moment, but I.

• 1:14:33Jen Cohen?

  Oh, toxic overload.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  But yeah, one thing I want to talk, no, one thing I just want to finish up on the HRT.

• 1:14:38Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  Is that the, what women, I can tell with, tell you without a shadow of a doubt.

• 1:14:44Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  You are not supposed to have the same estrogen, progesterone and testosterone level at 50 as you did at 30. You are, it, the natural state of the human body is for that level to go down. This is, this is the whole premise of Age Like a Girl.

• 1:15:00Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, this is a good point.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Because if it goes down, what, what Lisa Moscone taught us is your brain rewires itself. And you actually, the loss of estrogen signals the brain to change. And you actually build a stronger brain long-term. And by stronger, I mean your brain becomes more mentally clear. It becomes more unilateral, meaning it can use the right side of the brain. You can totally focus in on the creative side of your brain. Or you can move over and totally focus in on their logic, on your logical side of your brain. It is a pruning process that's preparing you for leadership. Which is what the evolutionary reason for menopause is that we're meant to be leaders.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  We need estrogen to go down in order to change our brain for the better. So that we are stronger, more independent, more focused at 60, 70 and 80.

• 1:15:55Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  And it's the, it's Lisa Moscone's work and I amplified it in Age Like a Girl.

• 1:16:00Jen Cohen?

  That's a really good point. So what would hap, what happens until your brain, if you're a 50-year-old woman, taking these hormones to be more like a 35-year-old?

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  You need to make sure you're not taking. Such a high dose.

• 1:16:12Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  You need, so like, I'll, I'll use myself as an example. I do bioidenticals at the lowest dose possible. And I always square it with my lifestyle. If like, my brain isn't working right, I don't think, oh, let me lather more estrogen on. I'm like, okay, you know, where, have I been drinking alcohol? Have I been, uh, has my stress level been high? Have I been eating right? Have I been fasting? Have I been giving enough ketones? Am I sleeping? Like, I go down the list of things. And these, this is what I put in, in Age Like a Girl. Like, my first thought is what control do I have? Not what do I need to lather on myself more?

• 1:16:50Jen Cohen?

  Right, that's a good point. Do you think that creatine has helped your brain fog?

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Oh, creatine's amazing.

• 1:16:55Jen Cohen?

  Cause you said you put it in your coffee and you do it before surfing.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  So creatine, estrogen stimulated creatine. So when you were cycling and creatine was hot, when estrogen was high, your body naturally made creatine. When you are not psych, when estrogen goes down, you need to supplement with creatine.

• 1:17:11Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  I'm a fan of that.

• 1:17:13Jen Cohen?

  Are you taking five milligrams or 10?

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  I believe in the mega dose of, and it's gone from 12 grams. It used to be the mega dose. And then recently, a new study came out that said 20 grams.

• 1:17:24Jen Cohen?

  I saw that too.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  So two weeks, let's just say two weeks at 20 grams to get that mega dose. And then you need to go down to five grams as a daily dose. And then after 90 days, get off of it for two weeks and start over again.

• 1:17:37Jen Cohen?

  Right, so cause creatine's a supplement, like everything else.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:17:40Jen Cohen?

  That's a good point. Okay, so now tell me, because I cut you off, cause I got excited.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 1:17:44Jen Cohen?

  About the, about the toxic load. Like, how do you know when you have a toxic load that you won't be able to even intake these things?

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, uh, let's use thyroid hormones.

• 1:17:53Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Women have been taking exogenous thyroid hormones for years and not feeling any better. So when we, we, this was a whole premise of my practice, is I would take these women who had high, um, had really crazy thyroid symptoms and were on thyroid hormones, but they weren't getting better. And we would detox them and all of a sudden, they got better. So if you're taking HRT and you're not seeing an improvement, you might have a high toxic load. And toxins become very Very important in the menopause process. I have a whole chapter on it in the book because we can't be lathering. This is why we can't be, we have to look at our toxic load. We have to look at plastics and heavy metals and endocrine disruptors like pesticides and beauty products.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  All of this is changing this internal environment. And if we're lathering ourselves with more hormones, more hormones doesn't mean feeling better. Cells being able to receive those hormones and low inflammation, no toxins in the receptor sites. We want a cell that is, is not packed with glucose molecules because you've been eating so much sugar. You've got to get your cellular health nailed in order for those hormones to work, those exogenous hormones to work.

• 1:19:07Jen Cohen?

  That's a good, so for example, if someone has a high, like I got my blood test back and I had a high like arsenic, very high arsenic. Where is it coming from?

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, water, probably soils. Yeah. Arsenic comes from water.

• 1:19:20Jen Cohen?

  I know. That's why I thought because of the fires that it was really bad.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, there were, we had a lot of discussion. You probably got it from the fires too.

• 1:19:28Jen Cohen?

  Probably for sure, right?

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  I know a lot of people in the biohacking space that started testing their blood after the fires here in LA to see and they were like, one woman in particular told me her blood work was so crazy that she moved out of LA.

• 1:19:42Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, a lot, a lot of people. I mean, the last person here should shut the lights because between COVID and the fires, nobody's here anymore. Most of my friends are like, no one, everyone's living in Florida or Austin. I mean, there's nobody here. It's crazy.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  That's crazy. I know. I mean, I was pushed out of LA because I was in the Palisades.

• 1:20:02Jen Cohen?

  Well, you were in the Palisades. That makes sense.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  So, but.

• 1:20:05Jen Cohen?

  It's crazy. Okay. I have one more question, then I can let you go because I know you have like a heart out here. Uh, what was the question I was gonna ask you? I asked you about the toxic load.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Peptides.

• 1:20:14Jen Cohen?

  Peptides, that was it.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:16Jen Cohen?

  I wanna ask.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Okay, peptides are interesting. I do wanna bring those up because what a peptide is, it's a, it's an amino acid sequence. So, in your younger body, your body would eat meat food, like meat, amino acids come from meat, by the way, and, most of them, and you would get enough amino acids to make a sequence of amino acids that they would, that your body would put together, and then it would make a peptide. Peptide is this thing that initiates a biological process. So, GLP-1, trisepotide, let's use trisepotide. Trisepotide is the peptide that helps you make GLP-1 hormone. But prior to that, it was a sequence

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  of amino acids. As you get older, you, and your diet becomes more mono-focused, you're not getting mono, you know, you're not getting this diverse diet, or you're vegan, you're not eating enough, uh, animal meat, you're not getting enough amino acids. If you're not getting enough amino acids, then you're not making these peptides. If you're not making these peptides, then there's certain biological processes that aren't gonna work in your body. So, peptides, to me, are phenomenal. There's not a side effect to them. But all you're doing is you're reinstating a natural process that the body can do if you ate the right food. But I personally have used, I, my favorite one is a peptide right now called cerebral lysin,

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  and it helps your body make BDNF. And BDNF.

• 1:21:47Jen Cohen?

  Protein, yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, when I was writing this book, I was injecting cerebral lysin, and the next thing I know, I was like focused for eight hours writing the book. Like, my focus was so on, like, just through the roof.

• 1:22:01Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Jen Cohen?

  It sounds like an, like, Adderall.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Like, it was very, but I have never been. On Adderall, but it felt like.

• 1:22:07Jen Cohen?

  I did it for like 25 years ago for a week and I was like, I was like so focused. It was crazy. But like you're telling me as I like, I was, I don't know how people can stay on that thing longer than like a week, but that's besides the point. So you're telling me, what's it called?

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Cerebral lysin.

• 1:22:23Jen Cohen?

  I've never heard of that.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a, it's a fun peptide. And, um, but the thing is, is that.

• 1:22:29Jen Cohen?

  Do you have energy on it?

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. But then I couldn't sleep that night because my brain was just like, I was like, stop talking to me.

• 1:22:38Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  So it had a downside.

• 1:22:40Jen Cohen?

  How long were you on that one?

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  I, well, I continue to use it if I need it for a brain day, but I know my sleep is going to be compromised. So I just use it as needed.

• 1:22:49Jen Cohen?

  I love that.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  Another, another peptide that you might love in the fitness industry is BPC157.

• 1:22:55Jen Cohen?

  I know about that.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Everybody loves that.

• 1:22:56Jen Cohen?

  Everyone loves that one for your, so that's like a joint one. It's for like inflammation. People love that one.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Surgery, I've seen it help people. My husband had a hip replacement and so we ended up doing that beforehand and after.

• 1:23:09Jen Cohen?

  And after.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  He, he recovered so well.

• 1:23:12Jen Cohen?

  People love that.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Another one that's really cool that I'm experimenting with is GHK, um, you know, that one dash CU for skin.

• 1:23:21Jen Cohen?

  I have heard of, I haven't used it, but I'm curious about, I've heard a lot about that.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they're fun. I don't think, I'm trying to bring, you could, you should reach out to them too. I'm trying to bring the father of peptides onto my podcast.

• 1:23:34Jen Cohen?

  What's his name?

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Dr. Seeds.

• 1:23:37Jen Cohen?

  Was he at that thing that I saw you, were you at that? I'll, I'll ask you off this thing. What was his first name?

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  I, I think it's William, but he's like, he wrote the peptide bible.

• 1:23:47Jen Cohen?

  Okay, I'm gonna, I think, I'm gonna find it. I want to get that guy on.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're trying to get him on too right now and he, he'll come on because he asked me what I wanted, what I wanted to talk about. And I was like, I want to talk about peptides and menopause. You could, should bring him on to talk about peptides and fitness.

• 1:24:01Jen Cohen?

  I do, and like, yeah, for sure. I want to, I'm going to remind myself after. Okay. So is there anything else I can? Oh, I just want to ask a quick question that I saw before and I was curious and I wanted my audience to know about apple cider vinegar and fasting.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Oh my God, everybody loves.

• 1:24:14Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, tell me about that.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Apple cider vinegar stabilizes blood sugar.

• 1:24:18Jen Cohen?

  Right. Can I just take it on my own without fasting?

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Jen Cohen?

  Does it work?

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, the research is like, some of the videos on my YouTube that have done the best are apple cider vinegar. And because it stabilizes blood sugar. So you just do a tablespoon in water before you eat a meal or put it on your salad dressing, or you have it in your fasting window and it will stabilize your blood sugar so that you're not hungry and you don't end up with this huge insulin response. It's amazing.

• 1:24:46Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so just one tablespoon a day is okay before a meal?

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Before a meal is the best. You can do it after a high carbohydrate meal. It'll bring that blood sugar down. If you want it. I don't love the taste of it.

• 1:24:59Jen Cohen?

  Terrible.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  So that's why I don't want it after a big meal. I can't imagine stomaching that. But before, sometimes I'll put it like in water and drink it throughout the day to keep my blood sugar stable. But yeah, fasters use it all the time to get over that hunger, to make sure that they don't get too, their blood sugar doesn't get too low. Some of the prediabetics that we have put into fasted states, their blood sugar is too high. And so they, it won't drop down. And so we have them use it then to try to get it a little bit lower. So it's, it's, I've done a ton of videos on it.

• 1:25:30Jen Cohen?

  Okay, I'm gonna look. I was, because people ask me about that. I'm like, I'll ask her.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Jen Cohen?

  By the way, I was, I got so, so excited for you. We didn't do our little shots. But we do these little magics. What, do you ever, have you tried this before?

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  No, tell me what it is. I can't read it without my glasses.

• 1:25:44Jen Cohen?

  I was gonna say, I have my glasses here, but I know what it is already. But these are magic minds. It's kind of like a, like a performance health shot.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:25:51Jen Cohen?

  We do it all the time before we start, start the podcast because it's supposed to like help the guests be like super focused and alert. But two hours later, I mean, like, you should have had this on your Steve, your Steve Bar like diary.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:26:03Jen Cohen?

  But then actually, it actually works for you, right?

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:06Jen Cohen?

  Because then it skyrocketed your whole business.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. That's right. So whatever I said.

• 1:26:11Jen Cohen?

  Whatever is perfect. Okay, so let's do this.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Cheers.

• 1:26:13Jen Cohen?

  Cheers.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Magic mind. I love this.

• 1:26:15Jen Cohen?

  You've never tried these. Okay, you're gonna be like, I'm telling you, because every guest who's ever been on here has asked me afterwards, like, if I can send them a bunch.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:26:24Jen Cohen?

  I have to be careful. I have five more podcasts. These are delicious, literally.

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Where do I get them?

• 1:26:29Jen Cohen?

  Um, Erawan.

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:31Jen Cohen?

  Uh, everywhere. I'm like, hold on, I want to tell you what's in it. Cause it's like really good stuff like ashwagandha. There's turmeric. Um, I should like know by now, but I'm my brain. See, if I would have taken this earlier, I would have known. But they're really delicious, actually. Do you like them?

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's tasty.

• 1:26:48Jen Cohen?

  Not bad, right?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, super tasty.

• 1:26:49Jen Cohen?

  But, cause people like always take this other one that I'm not crazy about, but these are delicious.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Amazing. I'm gonna take the bottle with me.

• 1:26:57Jen Cohen?

  You should take it. Do you want me to give you more?

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  Sure. You can send me some?

• 1:27:00Jen Cohen?

  Of course.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  I can send you a bunch.

• 1:27:02Jen Cohen?

  Oh, by the way, okay. By the way, her book is called, I should say goodbye. Age Like a Girl. She is fantastic. And also, I love your personality. You're so cute.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:27:12Jen Cohen?

  Uh, get the book and thank you for coming on.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks for having me. This was so fun. So I appreciate it.

• 1:27:18Jen Cohen?

  So appreciate you being here. Bye bye.