Pod Insights The MeatEater Podcast Ep. 805: The Condo Butcher, Bison as Wildlife, and Other News About this episode Steven Rinella https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en talks with Janis Putelis https://www.instagram.com/janis_putelis/?hl=en, Brody Henderson https://www.instagram.com/brodyjhenderson/?hl=en, Randall Williams https://www.instagram.com/randall__williams/?hl=en, Phil Taylor https://www.instagram.com/philtaylor25/?hl=en, and Corinne Schneider https://www.instagram.com/corinnesschneider/.
Topics discussed: A snow goose with an underbite https://www.instagram.com/p/DSBSM77kusQ/?igsh=MTlja3l3MnM1dnZi; Steve betting on NFL teams because their mascots have grrrr; how dolphins always steal the spotlight; how it's just not "huckle bearer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKnwoLMrDlE; the trials and tribulations of butchering elk in an apartment building; hunting advice needed and given; how Colorado has now classified bison as wildlife; and more.
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4:12 Steven Rinella? Okay, folks, we got a good show lined up. Uh, Yanni's here. Yanni Chumani, the Latvian lover.
4:17 Speaker 07 What up?
4:19 Steven Rinella? Randall Williams.
4:21 Steven Rinella? You don't have any cute nicknames?
4:22 Speaker 07 No embellishment.
4:23 Steven Rinella? Oh, Dr. Randall.
4:23 Speaker 07 Yeah, thank you.
4:24 Steven Rinella? Brody's here, man that defies nicknames.
4:26 Speaker 04 Yep.
4:27 Steven Rinella? Um. There's just no way to encapsulate Brody handily with a rhyme or anything.
4:32 Speaker 07 Mm-mm.
4:34 Steven Rinella? Gonna talk about a bunch of stuff from the-
4:36 Speaker 07 Grody Brody?
4:37 Steven Rinella? Yeah, Grody Brody, that's good.
4:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's very middle school, I got that.
4:41 Speaker 07 Well, that's the first thing that came to me. Give me a little bit of time. I might come up with something better. Corinne's also here. I feel like Corinne's gonna be weighing in.
4:48 Steven Rinella? What would you call Corinne?
4:50 Speaker 07 Um.
4:53 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Have you ever had a nickname?
4:55 Speaker 05 I have had a nickname. Maybe some people would be offended by it. I got a nickname when I went to, when I was in-
5:01 Steven Rinella? Like, I'll be offended?
5:02 Speaker 05 Middle school. No, I, no, you guys probably wouldn't be offended, but, um, uh, it was Chew. C-H-E-W. Went to a mean all-girls camp, and some gals gave me that nickname because it's a combination of Chinese and Jew.
5:19 Steven Rinella? That's great.
5:20 Speaker 07 Hmm.
5:22 Steven Rinella? Can we go with, like, Chewy?
5:23 Speaker 05 I was amused by it.
5:25 Steven Rinella? Because, because Chew-
5:27 Speaker 07 I thought it was gonna be like, they didn't like the way you ate.
5:31 Steven Rinella? Yeah, Chewy.
5:31 Speaker 07 I thought so. A comment on your table manners.
5:34 Speaker 04 No.
5:36 Steven Rinella? Well.
5:38 Speaker 07 No.
5:38 Speaker 05 I mean, I got a kick out of it.
5:39 Steven Rinella? It's just Chew is hard to, like, Chewy, that's endearing.
5:42 Speaker 07 Yeah.
5:43 Steven Rinella? You can't call someone just Chew.
5:45 Speaker 04 There's already a pretty famous Chewy, uh, nickname.
5:48 Speaker 05 I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind Chewy. I kinda like that.
5:51 Steven Rinella? Chewy, alright.
5:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:52 Steven Rinella? That's cool. Um, yeah, I got a bunch of, uh, some, some news stuff. We're gonna touch on the NFL. We're gonna touch on some political stuff. Uh, we're gonna touch on some wildlife politics involving one of my favorite animals, the American buffalo. We're gonna touch on crossbow. Is this crossbow love or hate?
6:11 Speaker 04 I don't think it's either.
6:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's not either.
6:13 Speaker 07 Neither.
6:14 Steven Rinella? Neutral on crossbow. We're gonna talk about Billy the Kid and Aztecs. We're gonna talk about, I'll be your huckle bearer, or not.
6:23 Speaker 07 Hmm.
6:23 Steven Rinella? We're gonna talk about, uh, the Denver Police Department.
6:28 Steven Rinella? We're gonna talk about a guy who really needs to just buck up. We're gonna talk about hunting advice for a guy. We're gonna talk about the the implosion of the Sierra Club and a symptom of that or a cause of that.
6:43 Steven Rinella? Yeah. First off, here's a funny story. So Sunday, Saturday.
6:50 Steven Rinella? I'm with my two younger kids, my older kids at work, I'm with my two little kids and we're going out trapping. And we go into, I'm not gonna name the, I'll tell you guys the coffee shop later. It'd be like coffee shops around here. Like a designated coffee shop is a soft place.
7:02 Speaker 04 Yes.
7:03 Steven Rinella? It's just they are soft places. Like the most rugged thing that's gonna walk into a coffee shop around here would be like a fly fisherman. Do you know what I'm saying?
7:12 Speaker 04 Well, hunters and and loggers also walk into coffee shops.
7:17 Steven Rinella? This is not the feeling you get. And we go into a coffee shop and I'm getting a feeling, I'm getting like a feeling from the person, the gal that works there.
7:25 Speaker 05 So it's like if like going to a gas station and getting coffee versus going to a coffee shop.
7:30 Steven Rinella? If you're at a Lucky Lils.
7:32 Speaker 04 At five o'clock in the morning.
7:33 Steven Rinella? That's a hard place. That's a hard place. The people that work there, not the dog on Lucky Lils, but like, you know, the people that work there might do hard things.
7:43 Speaker 04 This is a place that you can get a matcha or a macchiato or.
7:48 Steven Rinella? Yeah. When you go into a gas station.
7:50 Speaker 05 Pumpkin chai latte.
7:51 Steven Rinella? It's a hard place for people to do hard things. When you go into a designated coffee shop where you have to tell them what you want and then go stand around while they make it, that's a soft place. It just is. Yanni, don't devil advocate me on this.
8:04 Speaker 04 I'm just asking like if uh.
8:06 Steven Rinella? If they have a little sign that gives their wifi password.
8:11 Speaker 04 Do you feel like there's less or more judging that happens at either one of those places?
8:16 Steven Rinella? Judging. It's just a soft place for soft people.
8:19 Speaker 04 I know, but you're getting a vibe from her. So I'm wondering if she's like kinda looking you guys over.
8:24 Steven Rinella? Yes, that's my story, but I'm just trying to set it up.
8:27 Speaker 04 Okay.
8:28 Steven Rinella? I think you definitely get judged more in the coffee shop.
8:30 Speaker 04 Should we just start over?
8:31 Steven Rinella? Is this why you invited me here or not? It is. No, you're doing a good job.
8:35 Speaker 04 Okay, thank you.
8:36 Steven Rinella? You're doing, I'm sorry, you're doing a great job. I'm getting soft vibes at the coffee shop. I'm with my two little kids. She's making the drinks. They want hot chocolates. She's making them. She says to my kids, what do you guys got going on today?
8:53 Steven Rinella? My daughter says, trapping.
9:01 Steven Rinella? Watching her for some.
9:04 Speaker 04 So good.
9:05 Steven Rinella? Sign. Do you know what I mean? Like some sign and I, this is all happening so fast in my head. I'm watching for some sign of like, what condemnation, clarification and.
9:19 Speaker 04 Confusion.
9:20 Steven Rinella? Nothing, nothing. And I'm already thinking to myself, man, not even like a follow-up question. Hmm. Okay. Then she hands the kids their hot chocolate and says, have fun shopping.
9:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'll point out, you said it was a soft place, but it's kind of a soft move to go buy hot chocolate in a coffee shop.
9:43 Steven Rinella? I told you, I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. It's just, but don't act like you don't get what I'm saying, man. When you walk into a coffee shop.
9:51 Speaker 04 I know it. Listen, you don't get judged at the Lucky Lils.
9:54 Steven Rinella? I will say.
9:55 Speaker 04 I'm not gonna judge you.
9:56 Steven Rinella? No.
9:56 Speaker 07 There's, there's two gradations, I think of coffee shops. There's places that have drip coffee ready to go. And then there's the places that do pour over and they don't like a coffee shop or stand that doesn't have just drip coffee.
10:11 Speaker 07 To my mind, it's.
10:13 Speaker 04 Don't you think that's far and few between? I mean, most places have drip.
10:17 Speaker 07 What I'm, what I'm saying is that there are places that don't just have drip ready to go. They say, oh, we could make you an Americano.
10:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:24 Speaker 07 It's a place that deals, they traffic in indulgences.
10:28 Steven Rinella? It's and like, well, there's performance.
10:33 Speaker 07 Okay.
10:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, they can charge you more for that performance.
10:35 Steven Rinella? Here's my other story. And this isn't even, this is a short story.
10:37 Speaker 04 I liked your first one.
10:39 Steven Rinella? Here's another one. I.
10:41 Speaker 07 He's ordered them in, in goodness. So it's only going to get better.
10:45 Steven Rinella? Check this one out.
10:47 Steven Rinella? I was, happened to be skinning an extremely rotund raccoon. I thought to myself, I'm going to make some coon grease and send it to Clay. Just because I don't know why. It's like a good idea. I'm not kidding you, man. That you're going to think I'm lying. You can call my kids and ask. I got three, and this is not being like, this is not being fiddle, fiddling around.
11:14 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
11:17 Steven Rinella? Three quarts, two of them are on my desk upstairs. Three quarts of rendered coon oil.
11:26 Speaker 07 Hmm.
11:26 Speaker 06 How much did that coon weigh?
11:28 Steven Rinella? Yeah, he was at twenty pounds.
11:30 Speaker 06 But just fat?
11:31 Steven Rinella? Three quarts, maybe twenty pounds.
11:35 Speaker 04 Uh, have you tried eating it and cooking with it?
11:37 Steven Rinella? Dude, it smells, I haven't tasted it yet. It smells totally normal. I don't think you'd know the difference.
11:45 Speaker 04 Hmm.
11:46 Steven Rinella? I don't think you'd know the difference.
11:48 Speaker 06 Oh, you got it.
11:48 Steven Rinella? My buddy's like, you did that in the kitchen? I said, my wife never messes with me about anything like that. It's just a little shout out to my wife.
11:54 Speaker 06 We gotta fry a burger in that stuff or something, see how?
11:56 Steven Rinella? I can't wait to do something with it. And I took those cracklins.
12:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:00 Steven Rinella? And fired them up on the roof. I had my kid fire them up on the roof of the guest house so we can kind of look out at it. And holy smokes, you never seen magpies get worked up.
12:10 Steven Rinella? Here's my last story. You guys can feel free to share a quick story. I've got three.
12:14 Speaker 04 Hmm.
12:15 Steven Rinella? These are all hot off the press. Show that picture, Phil.
12:19 Speaker 04 Here we go.
12:22 Steven Rinella? Hmm. Now, what people are looking at here.
12:26 Steven Rinella? Yesterday, we were goose hunting and got, we were hunting Canada geese, but got two snows.
12:34 Steven Rinella? Two snows. How is that bird not only alive? Not only alive, but fat, as fat as his buddy.
12:44 Speaker 04 Hmm.
12:44 Steven Rinella? There's a picture of a ca- of a snow goose here that is missing. It's all healed over, whatever happened to it, is missing over half of its upper bill.
12:55 Speaker 05 Looks like a severe underbite.
12:57 Speaker 06 See, they're scooping with its lower jaw or turning its head.
13:00 Steven Rinella? I don't know.
13:01 Speaker 06 Or something.
13:02 Steven Rinella? You know, Max said, Max, I sent that picture to Max and, and he mentioned that I sent him, see if you ever seen anything like it. And he mentioned it looks like one of Coke and he gets into its spawning phase.
13:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
13:13 Steven Rinella? A kype. Yeah, that's it. Isn't that something? Yeah, I think that the Totally. Just looks like a person's nose. Flying around, being totally normal.
13:22 Speaker 06 Yeah, I'm looking at it thinking it's missing a chunk of its upper beak, not that its lower beak is way long. That's what he said.
13:31 Steven Rinella? No, ha- yeah, over half of its upper beak is just not there.
13:34 Speaker 06 But you were mentioning the kype thing.
13:36 Steven Rinella? Oh, sorry.
13:37 Speaker 06 That's what.
13:38 Steven Rinella? But it gives that, it gives that vibe.
13:40 Speaker 06 Well, you see fish like that that are missing, missing a lower jaw. Well, what's interesting to me in the missing part is that it's like the nostril like reformed.
13:50 Steven Rinella? Yeah, yeah. A lot of reforming happened on it. I don't know why I didn't save. I should have saved that head. I didn't save that head. Hmm. Well, you know, I'll be able to get it back. A lot of reforming happened on that thing.
13:59 Speaker 06 Mm hmm. Did you check its crop?
14:02 Steven Rinella? It was in the morning and no.
14:04 Speaker 06 Hmm.
14:05 Steven Rinella? It was early in the morning.
14:06 Speaker 06 Man, those critters are just tough.
14:08 Steven Rinella? Isn't that something? Yeah. Funny about that, after we hunt, we go over to the farmer's house to thank him and say hi and everything. They're just coming in from church. And his, and the, and his wife says,
14:21 Steven Rinella? if you see two white ones, and I'm thinking,
14:24 Speaker 06 Uh oh.
14:25 Speaker 05 Oh, no.
14:26 Steven Rinella? And I said, well, uh, we got those. Is that a problem?
14:30 Speaker 06 No.
14:32 Steven Rinella? But I was scared to death. You know, you have that really fast, like, whoa.
14:36 Speaker 06 Yeah. So those two were just hanging with the Canada?
14:39 Steven Rinella? Apparently they'd been hanging around for the last few days, but she's like, no sooner as she's saying it, I'm like, oh, it's not, I hope it's not the hers.
14:46 Speaker 05 What did she mean to say?
14:47 Steven Rinella? I don't know what I thought. Just like, just I've been seeing them.
14:51 Speaker 05 Oh, okay.
14:51 Steven Rinella? But she's like, if you see two, and, and, and in my head, I'm thinking, ooh, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, well, we got those. Oh, that's fine.
15:02 Steven Rinella? Yeah. I don't know how it could be alive. Yeah. That's it.
15:05 Speaker 05 That's wild.
15:07 Steven Rinella? That's it. Yanni told us a great story, but he can't share it. That's right.
15:12 Speaker 06 Yeah. I told you a couple of good ones.
15:16 Steven Rinella? But you can't share them.
15:18 Speaker 06 Well, no.
15:18 Steven Rinella? Not because they're illegal.
15:19 Speaker 06 No, I could tell you a story about my multiple car accidents in one day. That was not that good. What I would like to say, I told this story to Dan Flores this morning and he sat there seemingly entertained and listening intently. So I'll tell it again. But you know, a lot of people still think that hunting with dogs is somehow easy. Easier, you're giving, you know, way too much advantage to the hunter, you know?
15:46 Steven Rinella? Cause they're just focused on the shooting part.
15:48 Speaker 06 Exactly. They don't know what goes into it. A friend of mine treed a mature tom on Friday. Let it go. Didn't want to kill it for whatever reason by himself. He decided it'd be better if he had a couple of friends with him.
16:01 Steven Rinella? Big coffee shop guy.
16:03 Speaker 06 Huh?
16:03 Steven Rinella? It's a big coffee shop guy.
16:05 Speaker 06 I don't know. Maybe. But uh, he lets him go, walks away from the tree around 12 or noon. On Friday, we're back at that same tree on Saturday morning about 9 a.m. So you don't know when the cat left the tree, but.
16:21 Steven Rinella? This is based off a hot tip.
16:23 Speaker 06 No, we're all back at the same tree, the same tree that he was at. Yes, the day before. No, he was with us. We all came back together.
16:31 Steven Rinella? Is that routine?
16:33 Speaker 06 Um.
16:34 Steven Rinella? That seems like borderline harassment.
16:37 Speaker 06 What, to the mountain lion?
16:38 Steven Rinella? Chase him up a tree one day, then go back to that same tree and chase him up a tree again the next day?
16:42 Speaker 06 Exactly. See, you would think so, right? Because it's just like a slam dunk, right?
16:45 Steven Rinella? I would think that was a slam dunk. Well, no, because by that point.
16:50 Speaker 06 Got 24 hours.
16:51 Steven Rinella? He's got, it's the same as cutting a fresh track.
16:53 Speaker 06 Well, it hasn't been 24 hours, but. You were, in my mind, I almost said no. Because I was like, you know what? I'd rather go to my own spot that I'm gonna choose. And if I find the track, which is usually like the most exciting part of the whole hunt. Is when you look over and you go, oh my gosh, there it is. Like I found a track. Like, I don't want to miss that. And we're gonna go to a spot where I'm gonna walk to a track.
17:19 Steven Rinella? Understood.
17:22 Speaker 06 I'm like, I'll go. It'll be fun. I wanna, I wanna see what like a hundred and forty, a hundred and fifty pound Tom looks like. You know, that's what the guestimate was. And, uh, so we go. It starts snowing that morning. Pretty good. Pretty hard. It's snowing and it's snowing. We start on the track. Mingus actually, we left without the dog so we could actually just find the track and kinda sort it out, see where it was going. Mingus broke out of his kennel, so he rolls in there. It wasn't very securely.
17:48 Steven Rinella? The rest of the dogs. Mingus is like, so long suckers.
17:50 Speaker 06 These kennels that ride on the backs of snowmobiles or in the sleds behind snowmobiles, they take a beating. And so a lot of times the latches and stuff don't work and that dog is wanting to start pushing and checking stuff out after he gets bored or cold or whatever. So anyways, he shows up and we find the track and as soon as he smells it, you know, it's, he just loses his crap. So we tie him off. The other dogs come. We cut them loose. It's just, you know, a- all voices are going off and we're like, oh yeah, we're gonna have this Tom in a tree in ten to thirty minutes, you know?
18:22 Speaker 06 Thirty minutes later, the dogs kinda slow down and they start having a loss where they're not on the track anymore. It's snowing. Lot of snow, lot of snow. So we start walking the track with the dog. Basically, long story short, we get to a point a couple hours later where the tracks are literally like, and they, they, they started as these like nice cups in the snow. You couldn't see the track, the, you know, toes, but you could see a nice cup in the snow. And eventually that cup just got shallower and shallower and shallower and then it was just flat snow. And about noon, we're like, we're not catching this cat. And like, there was enough snow where like the dogs like couldn't even dig the scent out of it and, um, he got away.
19:02 Steven Rinella? Ain't so easy.
19:03 Speaker 06 It's not easy.
19:04 Steven Rinella? What's so hard about shooting some cat out of a tree?
19:07 Speaker 06 So we were talking about it, like, how easy it should have been and the guy was actually saying that he's done it enough times that he feels like he's batting three hundred on leaving a cat in a tree and coming back the next day and catching it again.
19:22 Steven Rinella? What's a good average?
19:23 Speaker 06 So thirty percent of the time, he's catching that cat.
19:25 Steven Rinella? That's what three hundred means?
19:26 Speaker 06 Yeah.
19:27 Steven Rinella? I wanted to say thirty.
19:28 Speaker 06 I don't know, Randall.
19:29 Speaker 07 It's baseball. Cause they're going down, they're going down to the, the, another decimal point.
19:34 Speaker 06 Ah, right.
19:34 Steven Rinella? One out of thirty point zero.
19:37 Speaker 07 Well, that adds a whole new thing to it.
19:40 Steven Rinella? Batting a three hundred is one in thirty?
19:43 Speaker 06 No, it's three out of ten.
19:44 Speaker 07 No, it's thirty percent. It means you're hitting the ball three out of ten at bats.
19:50 Steven Rinella? Well, if they just did it the other way, I would know what the hell it meant.
19:54 Speaker 04 Number five sports podcast.
19:59 Steven Rinella? Yeah, Spotify has released their two, two, twenty. So this show is categorized in sports. Cause they're sportsmen.
20:10 Steven Rinella? Spotify came out with the top sports podcasts of 2025. We're number five. The four above us are like actual sports podcasts. Number one is the Kelsey guys and no one cares about that. But Randall's explaining that now and then his girlfriend comes on the show and then all kinds of, yeah, all kinds of little girls listen.
20:35 Steven Rinella? And it gives them a, it gives you like an inflated sense.
20:38 Speaker 07 Yeah. Their week to week downloads don't make them a national number one sports podcast.
20:44 Steven Rinella? But just now and then his girlfriend comes on and he gets hot. Because if I was dating Trump and Trump came on, we'd have, right? Yeah. Huge boost.
20:55 Speaker 07 Or Taylor Swift.
20:56 Steven Rinella? Well, she's already dating someone.
21:02 Steven Rinella? You get what I'm saying? I was trying to think of a famous person.
21:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, the Swifties.
21:06 Steven Rinella? Yeah. So that, so that doesn't count Randall sex. That's not a legitimate show.
21:11 Speaker 05 And the other ones are, yeah, part of my take, yeah, like football, main sports.
21:17 Steven Rinella? Which got us to thinking, um, we're talking about like how to, how to like try to harness some of the energy there.
21:25 Steven Rinella? And we thought if you, if someone tried to pick sports team wins based off only mascot analysis, because they love wildlife.
21:32 Speaker 06 Can I, can I ask you a question before we get started? Can you name the cities that these teams are attached to?
21:40 Steven Rinella? Seattle.
21:41 Speaker 06 And?
21:42 Steven Rinella? Don't know. Cause I think they moved it. I think they moved it. And I don't recognize any team that wasn't a team when I was a kid. Like I still have a hard time with TV channels that aren't ABC, CBS and NBC. Channels three, eight, thirteen.
21:59 Speaker 07 You didn't go to Max? You just stayed in HBO, man?
22:02 Steven Rinella? No, I remember, I remember when, yeah, I remember like your parents leaving, like when the cable came out, I remember like your mom and dad would go out to dinner. And it'd be like, the last thing they'd say is, don't turn on Cinemax.
22:14 Speaker 06 The football player remembers best is the refrigerator Perry.
22:18 Steven Rinella? Fringe Perry.
22:20 Speaker 07 How could you not?
22:20 Steven Rinella? No, I don't count any team that didn't exist when I wasn't a little kid. It's like it's illegitimate in my mind, but I feel like the Rams, that used to be a California team.
22:29 Speaker 07 And it is once again.
22:30 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Oh, it is. Whose team is it?
22:33 Speaker 07 LA.
22:34 Steven Rinella? Huh, I would have guessed that.
22:35 Speaker 07 They were from LA to St. Louis to LA.
22:37 Steven Rinella? Oh, okay. I would have got that right, but I would have got it right accidentally. I would have got it right.
22:42 Speaker 07 Trust your instincts on this.
22:43 Steven Rinella? I would have got it right as the old.
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24:55 Steven Rinella? So yeah, Rams and Seattle Seahawks.
24:57 Speaker 06 These are week 16 predictions here, so.
25:00 Steven Rinella? So coming up, we got Rams and Seahawks and like, it doesn't denote what kind of, a Seahawk is an osprey. Fastest animal, fastest animal on earth. Rams, it's like, if it was wild rams or like mountain rams, but I don't know, it could be just some manure encrusted. Yeah. And then, you know, it kind of like grosses me out about actual, like sheep rams. All the fecal matter connected, that's always hooked to their wool.
25:30 Speaker 06 Yeah.
25:30 Steven Rinella? And then some of them had those like grossly outsized testes that would reduce the athleticism of any thing.
25:37 Speaker 06 But a wild ram also has giant testes for this.
25:41 Steven Rinella? But he's not, he's not fecal matter encrusted.
25:44 Speaker 06 You're right.
25:45 Speaker 05 Hmm, so.
25:47 Speaker 06 Ranch mag, we used to call them ranch maggots.
25:49 Steven Rinella? Sure.
25:50 Speaker 07 I just think with the right game plan, you know, you've seen the videos of birds of prey knocking mammals off of, uh.
25:58 Steven Rinella? Sure.
25:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:59 Speaker 07 I think there is one of a sheep getting killed by a, or maybe a mountain goat getting killed by a bird.
26:05 Steven Rinella? If I go Seahawks on this, I'm going it because, um, specificity, because by calling yourselves the Rams, I picture barn rams, which are gross.
26:15 Speaker 05 Hmm. Okay.
26:16 Steven Rinella? Mostly gross.
26:17 Speaker 05 So are you calling it on Thursday, December 18th game, it's Seahawks winning over the Rams?
26:24 Steven Rinella? Yeah, now what do the, what do the actual people say?
26:27 Speaker 05 Let me see.
26:27 Speaker 06 That one's probably pretty close. I would guess.
26:30 Speaker 07 The Rams are good, though.
26:32 Speaker 06 They're both good.
26:34 Speaker 07 Now, if we were a real national sports podcast, we would be betting the lines. We wouldn't just be calling winners and losers. So I really don't know. Well, like, you know, it's like.
26:44 Steven Rinella? By how many?
26:44 Speaker 07 Rams by three and a half, you know?
26:46 Steven Rinella? I don't know about that.
26:47 Speaker 07 So, so we, but we're just trying to get incrementally higher ranked in the national sports podcast.
26:53 Speaker 05 By entering into.
26:55 Steven Rinella? And we're not gonna do that by not being, we're not gonna do that by not being like more nuanced and specific.
27:01 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a half ass attempt to increase our relevance as a sports podcast.
27:07 Steven Rinella? Falcons v Cardinals? That's a tough one. They're talking about Northern Cardinals?
27:12 Speaker 06 Which is weird because they're in Arizona. But they got moved too.
27:18 Steven Rinella? Yeah, what kind of Falcons?
27:19 Speaker 05 Cardinals is tough? Well, I don't, general Falcons.
27:22 Steven Rinella? I just don't know what kind of Falcons they're talking about. And it's like.
27:26 Speaker 07 Don't you think nine out of 10 Falcons are gonna take out nine out of 10 Cardinals every time?
27:30 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I think there's more to it than that.
27:32 Speaker 07 Oh, okay.
27:33 Steven Rinella? Like if it was Geer Falcons or something, I'd be like.
27:35 Speaker 07 Hmm.
27:37 Steven Rinella? I don't know. Just seems a little like not specific.
27:40 Speaker 07 But if you had to bet the money that you need to pay your rent next month.
27:45 Steven Rinella? If, if you said, I got a Falcon, I'm not telling you what.
27:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
27:48 Steven Rinella? Kind. And you said, I got a Cardinal. I'm not telling you what kind.
27:51 Speaker 07 Yeah.
27:52 Steven Rinella? I'd be like, I think that the Falcon, the undisclosed Falcon will conquer the undisclosed Cardinal.
27:57 Speaker 05 Okay.
27:58 Steven Rinella? Just, just generally.
28:00 Speaker 05 NFL Sunday, December 21st, Falcons.
28:04 Steven Rinella? Okay, but that logic falls apart if we get to Bengals v Dolphins. A Bengal.
28:13 Steven Rinella? Well, are they in the water or not? They're playing football on the grass. So if you throw a dolphin out on the grass and you throw Bengal Tiger out on the grass. But I, Dolphins get too much attention.
28:27 Speaker 06 But Bengal Tiger's very comfortable in the water.
28:29 Speaker 07 It's, it's Bengals at Dolphins. Just so we're clear.
28:34 Speaker 06 Ooh.
28:35 Speaker 07 So we're on the home turf.
28:37 Speaker 06 Yeah.
28:39 Speaker 05 I did look it up. Bengals can swim three to four miles an hour.
28:43 Steven Rinella? Well, Dolphins are good for about 60.
28:46 Speaker 05 At when if they're at like their burst through sprint speed.
28:53 Speaker 07 Hmm.
28:54 Steven Rinella? I look at this one more like I was looking at more like dolphins get too much attention. Everybody thinks they're right.
29:01 Speaker 07 Yeah.
29:01 Steven Rinella? They're like, they're kind of like they got, they got a little overplayed. It was like. Yeah, I just feel about dolphins are the wildlife version of they get too much attention.
29:10 Speaker 06 Imagine how cool it would be if you were watching a nature documentary and you saw a Bengal tiger eating a dolphin.
29:17 Speaker 07 Hmm.
29:17 Speaker 06 Hmm. Like he somehow. Yeah. Got him out of the shallows.
29:21 Steven Rinella? I'd like that.
29:21 Speaker 07 Yeah, but then you don't want the Bengal to eat the dolphin because then the Bengals have a worse draft pick next year because the season's already just completely.
29:29 Speaker 06 You've already lost me.
29:30 Speaker 07 Shit the bed.
29:31 Steven Rinella? See Randall, you should see, you should have a sports podcast because you know this stuff.
29:35 Speaker 07 Yeah. Well, not really, but. Doing our best here, National Sports Podcast, folks, number five.
29:44 Speaker 05 Wait, so was that Bengals winning over Dolphins, Steve?
29:48 Steven Rinella? I, I, I can't rate it like how you want me to.
29:53 Steven Rinella? There's an annoyance factor that I have with Dolphins. I love them.
29:56 Speaker 05 Okay.
29:57 Steven Rinella? But just, they just absorb too much attention.
30:00 Speaker 05 So you'd like them to lose?
30:03 Steven Rinella? Uh, is that me?
30:05 Speaker 07 No.
30:06 Steven Rinella? When I was working on my Buffalo book.
30:10 Steven Rinella? A guy said to me. Cause I was writing about all these different, the reason I'm revisiting this in my mind is because I'm writing a new forward. It's been 17 years since I wrote that book and I'm writing a new forward. And in it, I'm sort of doing a round the country snapshot of the politics surrounding the animal and, and things that have happened since the book came out. Anyways, it's causing me to reflect on a thing that happened when I was working on the book. Where a guy said.
30:40 Steven Rinella? With with all this stuff going on with the animal, right? Like, there's issues in Alaska, there's issues in Arizona, there's issues in Utah. Um, all this is happening, and he said to me, the thing is Yellowstone, it's a black hole. It sucks in all the attention.
30:56 Steven Rinella? So all this, everything, all these things you're talking about will always be in the American mind, unknown, because the park sucks everything into it. And when people think of the politics of the animal, they only can think of what's going on in the park. Everything else is lost to them. And I think dolphins are something like a black hole. An animal black hole.
31:20 Speaker 07 I mean, they had flipper.
31:21 Steven Rinella? They absorb too much attention
31:25 Steven Rinella? in wildlife. I did see. I'd like to see the other guys, the the tigers get them.
31:30 Speaker 07 I did get to see, uh, when we were in Europe, we went to the zoo in Vienna, and I saw a tiger eating the leg of something.
31:39 Speaker 07 It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
31:40 Steven Rinella? But they probably threw it to it.
31:41 Speaker 07 Yeah.
31:42 Steven Rinella? Oh.
31:42 Speaker 07 But just watching something chew and rip.
31:46 Speaker 07 That's all I got.
31:47 Speaker 06 That reminds me of a story I heard, uh, when I was driving home from Wisconsin, I was catching up.
31:52 Steven Rinella? Down the dock.
31:52 Speaker 06 Moving, catching up with old friends, Otter.
31:56 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah.
31:57 Speaker 06 Old fishing buddy of ours down in Vail.
32:01 Speaker 06 That kid, I call him a kid, he's not a kid anymore, but he's, you know, much younger than us, so it'd be like calling Randall a kid, you know? He's that age. He's got, he's had more, for not being a hound hunter, he's had more mountain lion encounters than anybody I know. For just a dude that kind of, he's gotten more serious about hunting, but when we knew him, he was a very casual hunter. Now he's gotten more into it.
32:20 Steven Rinella? Just kind of runs into them.
32:22 Speaker 06 Like, tells me a story about watching a kitten thirty yards away, kitten mountain lion, in a big grove of aspens, as you are bound to see in Colorado, and the leaves are all gently falling out of the trees, and the kitten's just sitting there on his back legs, jumping up and swatting. And he got to watch it for like twenty minutes.
32:44 Speaker 07 You're kidding?
32:45 Speaker 06 Yeah. Well, this year, he's hiking around. And he sees the head of a cow elk. Like, kind of behind a log. Goes walking over to the cow elk. And he can tell that it's been kind of covered up, you know, but it's not, it's not registering yet. But the first thing in his mind is like, oh, I'm gonna open her mouth and check to see if the ivories are in there and pop the ivories out of there, you know? He gets right up to her and literally is like, like gonna almost touch her uh, upper lip or whatever to look for the ivory. And he looks over and eating on the hind quarter is, he says, the biggest mountain lion he's ever seen and then just full mouthful.
33:28 Speaker 06 And he, and all of a sudden the lion was like, oh shit, what are you doing here? You know, and boom, took off.
33:33 Steven Rinella? No way.
33:34 Speaker 06 I trust him. Yeah. And I'm telling you, like, I forget him and wasn't it Justin Carr and him were walking down a trail at night and they had one coming at him. They ended up shooting at it and then like he, he's just.
33:45 Steven Rinella? Maybe just shooting to scare it.
33:46 Speaker 06 Yeah, something like that. But anyways, mountain lion magnet. And yeah, he's like, that was pretty close. I said, did you get the ivories out? He's like, no, I left.
33:57 Steven Rinella? Here's a guy wrote in, this is a good one. In your recent episode of the podcast with Mark Lee Gardner. When talking about Billy the Kid's affinity for the song we call Turkey and the Straw.
34:09 Steven Rinella? He said Billy called it a guyena.
34:13 Steven Rinella? Because the Spanish language didn't really have a word for turkey.
34:19 Steven Rinella? Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Then he goes on to say, you asked him, what about Wajalote? Which is what they call turkeys in Sonora, Mexico. And he didn't really have a response for that. This guy wrote in, Wajalote is a regional term.
34:39 Steven Rinella? It's borrowed from. It's a, it's a sort of borrowed term in some regional Latin American Spanish dialects made from two Aztec words.
34:51 Steven Rinella? Huey, big, and Wajalote, monster. Big monster.
34:59 Steven Rinella? The literal meaning is pretty cool because it personifies the bird's imposing appearance. But also symbolizes the importance of the bird in the culture and the, in the culture of those people.
35:12 Steven Rinella? Guajalote.
35:13 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
35:15 Steven Rinella? Monster bird. No, what is it?
35:17 Speaker 06 Big monster.
35:17 Steven Rinella? Big monster.
35:18 Speaker 06 Big monster.
35:19 Steven Rinella? I'm sticking with that from now on.
35:21 Speaker 06 AI gave me a bunch of different nouns in Spanish. El pavo, el guajalote was number two, el chompipe, el fracaso, el pato mariado, and el patoso.
35:36 Steven Rinella? Come.
35:37 Speaker 06 So, yeah, must be very regional.
35:40 Steven Rinella? Gaiena, turkey and the straw. Uh, over the course of the history of this podcast, there's been something we've talked about a ton. And this is the last time it'll ever come up, and that is weather. In Tombstone, the movie, when Val Kilmer says to someone, uh, I'll be your huckleberry.
36:00 Steven Rinella? The hell's he talking about? For a while, I got duped by the internet. And I thought I was reading one day all about how
36:11 Steven Rinella? they screwed up. And he was meant to say, I'll be your huckle bearer, meaning I'll be your pallbearer. Why that? As the internet tricked me into believing.
36:26 Steven Rinella? The palls, like the, the poles on a casket, were made of hucklewood. And someone pointed out to me, I don't know what hucklewood even is, but I got duped by it. I'm, I'm like a gullible guy. I'm like my wife at the vet. I got duped and.
36:47 Speaker 05 Is that a story you missed up top, Steve?
36:50 Steven Rinella? No, my wife gets duped by like, like.
36:52 Speaker 06 She says yes to all the vaccines.
36:53 Steven Rinella? Say any, like any, like, oh, this dog needs this, has this problem. And she's like, oh, we better take care of that.
36:59 Speaker 06 Oh, this town is ripe with that. You gotta be careful.
37:02 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Yeah, she's, she, they really, I need to, yeah.
37:08 Steven Rinella? So.
37:10 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
37:14 Steven Rinella? I got duped by the internet on this. I brought it up to Gardner, uh, Mark Gardner. He, he says, he goes, he said, that's urban legend and I don't know what is Hucklewood. To which I said, I never thought about that.
37:27 Steven Rinella? I don't know what that means. So this guy, he's, there's a guy that wrote in, he's like a, um, Josh, what, what's the name of his Wild West pod, podcast?
37:37 Speaker 05 Oh, I gotta check that up. Let me go back.
37:39 Steven Rinella? He's got a Wild West podcast.
37:46 Steven Rinella? He says, Huckleberry, and Gardner got into this, you would legitimately run around at that time, you could say Huckleberry. Um, no one knows where it came from. It appears in magazine articles, poems, even advertisements in the mid to late 1800s. It essentially means I'm the right man for the job.
38:10 Steven Rinella? The screenwriter took it directly from a book about Tombstone. Okay. But there's no reason to believe Doc Holliday ever used it, but he's saying that Doc Holliday would have certainly known the phrase, I'll be your Huckleberry, meaning I'm the man for the job.
38:32 Speaker 05 Uh, the po, the podcast is Wild, The Wild West Extravaganza. I've never listened to it.
38:38 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I can't, I'm not, I don't, I just, I just, yeah, no, I don't know.
38:43 Speaker 05 But thanks for writing it, Josh.
38:44 Steven Rinella? It could be a whole show about, about, I don't know what. Sounds like it's about Wild West stuff.
38:49 Speaker 07 And extravaganzas.
38:50 Steven Rinella? And extravaganzas. He says, you can't locate any mention of Huckleberry prior to the movie Tombstone.
39:02 Steven Rinella? He goes on to, he kind of tracked down who started the whole thing. He tracks it back to a 2008 post on Twitter where a guy used the phrase, I'll be your Huckleberry.
39:15 Steven Rinella? He finds him, shoots him a DM, asks him, where did you hear, I'll be your Huckleberry?
39:22 Steven Rinella? He said he couldn't remember, but probably from his brother Dan.
39:29 Speaker 06 And there you have it.
39:31 Steven Rinella? A few people have reached out saying that they heard it directly from Bill Knight.
39:35 Speaker 07 Kite.
39:36 Steven Rinella? Kite. The former executive director of the Frontier Museum and Doc Holliday collection at Glenwood Springs. So he calls Mr. Kite saying, hey, why are you running around saying, I'll be your huckle bearer?
39:54 Steven Rinella? He says he heard it online.
39:56 Speaker 06 They've got duped too?
40:00 Steven Rinella? So I think that we can, I don't know, I trust this guy. I feel like when Doc Holliday, when you're sitting there and you're on a date, you're on a date, you know, like you're just kind of getting dating someone and you're trying to impress them. I've done it some long time, but like you throw in Tombstone, you know, and it gets to that part. And you're like, hey, baby. You know, that's not actually what it was. It was, I'll be your huckle bearer. Uh, you're wrong.
40:27 Steven Rinella? If you're trying to impress her.
40:28 Speaker 07 Yeah. Unless she does her sleuthing though.
40:31 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
40:32 Speaker 07 You might just impress her.
40:33 Steven Rinella? Oh, like she might not go digging in.
40:35 Speaker 07 Yeah. I, it's doubtful, it's doubtful that she would actually.
40:40 Steven Rinella? But if she did, then you know, you gotta keep her.
40:42 Speaker 06 I think it would be just as impressive to say, hey, do you know what that means? And then explain that it means, you know, I'm the right man for the job.
40:50 Speaker 07 But then she would have been, but then she would have been like, well, I know what it means from the context. Yeah.
40:55 Speaker 06 Or if she asks you to make dinner or do the dishes, you say.
40:59 Speaker 04 Do you think that in the context of that movie of that scene that you knew that it meant, I'm the right man for the job?
41:04 Steven Rinella? Says, I don't know, they're having like a tense moment and he's like, basically I'll kill you.
41:09 Speaker 06 Yeah.
41:12 Speaker 06 Right. He's saying basically I'll kill you.
41:15 Steven Rinella? Like I'm the man.
41:16 Speaker 06 Which is different than I'm the right man for the job.
41:18 Speaker 04 No, no, it's not, not in that movie. Cause in that movie, they're like going back and forth like, I'll kill you, you'll kill me. Like, and Val's like.
41:27 Speaker 07 But in this hypothetical scenario, she might not have been paying attention that closely to the plot of the film. So maybe the context is lost on her and just explaining that a huckleberry is the right man for the job might still impress her.
41:38 Speaker 06 I doubt it.
41:39 Steven Rinella? On my first date, I had to make a mistake. I was in a museum and I made the mistake.
41:43 Speaker 06 Oh, this is a first date or with your wife?
41:45 Steven Rinella? My actual first date with my wife.
41:47 Speaker 06 Okay.
41:48 Steven Rinella? You know, they play those little, you can go in those little booths and they play like those little movies?
41:52 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
41:53 Steven Rinella? And then it just starts over again. We came in halfway through and I turned to her, say, don't worry. This will end and we'll just sit here and watch till it gets back to where we began.
42:06 Speaker 06 They have a term for that these days, don't they, Corinne? Yeah.
42:11 Steven Rinella? And she's like, oh, thank you so much for explaining that to me. I was like baffled by how we would take in the whole thing. You know?
42:22 Steven Rinella? Don't you worry your pretty little head.
42:27 Steven Rinella? This will come back around. And we'll watch the first part.
42:33 Steven Rinella? Denver police investigate body parts being removed from a luxury apartment.
42:40 Steven Rinella? Well, this starts out sad. Guy writes in, due to divorce, I moved into an apartment. In a nice part of Denver, Cherry Creek. That's too bad. Now I wonder like.
42:53 Steven Rinella? What happened?
42:53 Speaker 06 He tried to explain Huckleberry.
42:59 Steven Rinella? Man, I'm gonna be depressed all day about this guy's marriage dissolving.
43:04 Speaker 06 It goes on.
43:05 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I just, I mean, I just gotta take a minute to reflect on that, you know? So he goes on to say, he grew up in Western Washington. Okay. Kind of slowed down, grew up hunting and fishing, kind of slowed down on hunting and fishing. Got into his mid 40s.
43:22 Steven Rinella? And got back into hunting during COVID.
43:26 Steven Rinella? So now here he is, he's divorced, living in an apartment, shoots cow elk.
43:31 Steven Rinella? Brings it back to his high end apartment building.
43:37 Steven Rinella? It's real hot.
43:39 Steven Rinella? The game processor's not open.
43:43 Steven Rinella? He starts moving parts of this elk up into his apartment.
43:50 Steven Rinella? Gets a visit from law enforcement officials investigating reports of a man moving body parts.
43:57 Speaker 05 From his pickup into his apartment.
44:00 Steven Rinella? A man moving body parts into his apartment.
44:05 Speaker 05 I mean, I wonder like what the person reporting him must have thought.
44:12 Steven Rinella? I have.
44:13 Speaker 05 Did they run away?
44:14 Steven Rinella? I would expect him to be moving body parts out of his apartment. Yeah, like what scenario would you kill someone?
44:24 Steven Rinella? Put yourself in a murderer's shoes. You kill someone.
44:27 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
44:27 Steven Rinella? Dismember him.
44:28 Speaker 07 No, but his email says into pickup from apartment.
44:32 Steven Rinella? Oh.
44:32 Speaker 07 So he doesn't quite, yeah, we're kind of, we're missing a little part of the story, but he must have maybe this was after 48 hours and he was finally taken to the butcher.
44:43 Steven Rinella? Of a man loading body parts into his pickup. That makes sense.
44:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
44:49 Steven Rinella? Cause that's what a murderer would do.
44:51 Speaker 04 Usually it'd be in a rolled up carpet, though.
44:54 Speaker 07 Yeah.
44:54 Steven Rinella? Well, unless you didn't want to look suspicious.
44:57 Speaker 04 Suitcase chopped chopped up.
44:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, we gotta, we gotta ask.
45:00 Steven Rinella? When I see guys carrying a very heavy roll of carpet.
45:03 Speaker 07 Yeah.
45:04 Steven Rinella? I always know.
45:06 Speaker 05 Was it bag bag?
45:07 Steven Rinella? I'm looking at.
45:07 Speaker 05 Did it look like he was holding an arm in like?
45:11 Speaker 07 When I was doing my dissertation research, I found a newspaper article.
45:15 Steven Rinella? Little flex there. You got a little flex by Randall.
45:18 Speaker 07 It's how else do you find this article? In the 1950s, a, a woman killed her children.
45:26 Steven Rinella? Oh, come on.
45:27 Speaker 07 And buried them in the backyard.
45:29 Steven Rinella? Okay, but we already got this guy getting divorced now.
45:31 Speaker 07 And the cops came and asked the neighbors like, did you see this? And they're like, oh yeah, I just assumed she was burying a bunch of deer meat from the freezer.
45:38 Steven Rinella? Oh, Randall, can you talk to Randall sometime, Corinne, and have him like try to practice a little discretion?
45:46 Speaker 07 Talking about, they were already joking about the murder. I thought it was interesting.
45:50 Speaker 04 We were joking about elk park.
45:51 Speaker 06 It's not children.
45:53 Steven Rinella? Oh my god, Rand.
45:55 Speaker 05 I think he's trying to make the point.
45:59 Speaker 07 Anything's possible.
46:00 Speaker 05 That it would make more sense that the average person.
46:06 Speaker 05 Would imagine that they be.
46:08 Speaker 07 Yeah, if you just assume everything is hunting.
46:13 Speaker 06 Well, I don't think you can fault the average person for seeing someone carrying an elk quarter and thinking it might be.
46:21 Steven Rinella? But picture, it's like, picture this, a new, you seen the movie The Burbs?
46:27 Steven Rinella? Best movie in the world, dude, Tom Hanks, married to Carrie Fisher, like, kinda like post Princess Leia.
46:33 Speaker 06 One of the movies.
46:37 Steven Rinella? Like, I now am very in love with her then. Not Princess Leia, but Burbs.
46:44 Steven Rinella? You don't know the Burbs? Some new guys move in next door to town and they start doing weird stuff. So I'm saying like, here you are, you're in a luxury apartment building, new guy moves in. Okay, kinda like, what's he got going on? Then one day he's carrying bloody packages and loading them in a truck. You could see that he would think like, uh, you'd think the worst.
47:05 Speaker 07 Especially if you've just been watching The Burbs. You're primed for it.
47:09 Speaker 06 See something, say something.
47:11 Steven Rinella? The whole premise of The Burbs, the whole thing is this. There's all this stuff that's so damning, damning.
47:21 Steven Rinella? And it builds you up to be like, it was all a misunderstanding. Like, every little thing can be explained away.
47:30 Steven Rinella? But then in the end, there's a surprise twist. And it was worse than anyone thought.
47:38 Steven Rinella? My kids loved it when I played it for them recently.
47:41 Speaker 06 Oh, so I can play, I'm gonna play it for my kids. It's okay? It's an okay kid movie? I got in trouble big time the other day. I don't even wanna mention what movie. I started watching with one of my kids and all of a sudden his scene came on, I'm like.
47:56 Speaker 06 Look the other way, blankets.
47:58 Speaker 07 Oh, you've gotta tell us now.
47:59 Speaker 06 Oh, really?
48:05 Speaker 06 Inglorious Basterds.
48:07 Steven Rinella? Yeah, that's a real good one for the youngsters.
48:10 Speaker 06 Although like she's like
48:12 Speaker 07 Tarantino film.
48:13 Steven Rinella? It'll just be like a, you know, the killing will only go on for a few hours.
48:17 Speaker 07 It'll just be a tasteful.
48:18 Speaker 06 It's not graphic at all.
48:20 Speaker 07 It's not gratuitous violence. Tarantino never went for that.
48:23 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Understand kids, in some ways this is a statement about excessive violence.
48:30 Speaker 06 That part I figured it was, it was okay and she could handle it. It was the, it was the first sex scene that, uh, that caught us off guard.
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50:48 Steven Rinella? Okay, this is the guy. And like, like, this, he's, I love this guy. It's a great guy, but.
50:53 Speaker 05 He calls himself out in like the first sentence.
50:55 Steven Rinella? He does, he does. This is a good one. I want, this is one for people to think about.
51:01 Steven Rinella? Steven Crew. I think I might be turning into the type of. I kind of glossed over his first sentence.
51:10 Steven Rinella? You are, you are. He says, Steven Crew, I think I might be turning into the type of person I despise.
51:19 Speaker 05 See, we like him.
51:20 Steven Rinella? He's a good guy.
51:22 Steven Rinella? I bought some property in a mid, he don't even want to name the state. He's like, I bought some property in a Midwest state a few years ago.
51:31 Steven Rinella? The property has a large creek, about 30 feet across, that meanders through and serves as a significant dividing line between one half of the property and the other. The creek runs in such a way that it cuts through the corner of the neighbor's property, leaving a small triangle. He estimates this triangle to be about two acres of their property on what I would refer to as my side of the creek.
52:05 Steven Rinella? Because it is only accessible by crossing the creek.
52:10 Steven Rinella? When I bought the property, I knew that there was a deer stand on the small triangle. And after I purchased, the guy who hunts the neighbor's property, which was the owner's son-in-law,
52:24 Steven Rinella? reached out to me and let me know that he previously had permission to cross my property to get to the stand.
52:34 Steven Rinella? I let him know that I would not, that I would not allow that same access. And he had no issue and understood my reasoning. But he could always still cross the creek as he pleased to access the property legally. Okay. So he's like, hey, I can get there no matter what. It'd be nice if I could cross your land. The guy says, don't cross my land. So he says, cool, across on the creek. Fast forward through the last few hunting seasons and they have on multiple occasions. Shot at wounded deer on opening day of firearm season from that stand.
53:21 Steven Rinella? He says, and I don't know if you would know this is true or not, but he says they all. Ran off their property onto mine and another neighboring property.
53:34 Steven Rinella? Each time they have politely notified me and asked me if they could track the deer across my property. State law allows access onto other private property to retrieve game. So I have obliged as I respect their communication and honesty. And because you couldn't not oblige. That was me editorializing. They even said they would not carry weapons. To which I thought, well, what the hell are you going to do? If it isn't dead. But kept that to myself. I'm going to editorialize for a minute. In some states where you're allowed to legally go on to another state to retrieve game. The rule is that you can go on to the other property unarmed.
54:18 Steven Rinella? To retrieve game, which I had to exercise one time. Um, hunting sandhill cranes in Texas.
54:26 Steven Rinella? A couple of times we had birds sail off on another guy's place and you had to chase them, but you couldn't chase them with a shotgun. But you were allowed to go directly there. Get your bird, come back, no gun. I think in this case, it was also just like.
54:39 Speaker 04 A gesture of good faith, right? They're like, you know.
54:41 Steven Rinella? But I don't know about legality. We could do some quick work because there's only so many Midwest states that have retrieval rights. However, what he's doing, which God bless him Connor here. I don't want to turn him off because he's like a listener. But then I don't want to be, this is tough love. He's, he's, he's trying to make like, he's doing a rhetoric Connor, the guy writing in, the listener, the fan, is doing a thing where he's like, kind of doing little things to make himself seem good.
55:15 Steven Rinella? They're allowed to go get it. He says, so I obliged.
55:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
55:21 Steven Rinella? But they're allowed to.
55:24 Speaker 04 Right. But I think they were telling him like out of good faith.
55:28 Steven Rinella? Says, so I obliged, but it wasn't your call. Then they're like, I won't even bring a gun. Well, how are you going to get it anyway? Well, then why not say, why don't you bring your gun?
55:37 Speaker 04 Just in case.
55:38 Steven Rinella? Just in case, since I'm a good neighbor.
55:41 Speaker 05 But I wonder about these hunters, like the direction that they're hunting in and shooting in.
55:48 Steven Rinella? It's 1.5 to two acres. If I was sitting on a piece that was 1.5 to two acres, all I'd be thinking about is what's going to happen when I got to go on the neighbor's place.
55:57 Speaker 07 I'm looking at his property right now.
55:59 Speaker 04 No, you're not.
56:00 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I am.
56:03 Speaker 04 And obviously.
56:04 Steven Rinella? Can you find the corner? Yeah.
56:06 Speaker 04 Oh, we shouldn't be talking about that.
56:07 Steven Rinella? No, but no, but no one knows his name. They know, they know he's in the Midwest and his name's Connor. Only we know the name.
56:14 Speaker 07 The names in the show notes.
56:18 Steven Rinella? Wow, Randall.
56:19 Speaker 04 I feel like these people obviously had a much different relationship with the previous owner.
56:25 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
56:26 Speaker 04 Where they're probably shooting onto his property and that he was okay with it.
56:30 Steven Rinella? Because the old owner was like, oh yeah, man, cut across my property. Let's all have a good time. Let's be neighborly.
56:36 Speaker 04 Yep.
56:37 Steven Rinella? You know, that's the old owner, right? The whole thing has started to become a bit bothersome to me, to me, he says, this is the guy talking again. Me being a very non-confrontational Midwesterner would never put myself in a situation where a deer I shot is pretty much guaranteed to enter another property, forcing me to interact with the owner, even though we have that right as given by the state. That I agree with. I don't like that kind of stuff.
57:11 Steven Rinella? My property is not large. So when these situations have occurred, it has essentially ended my hunt for the day. How many acres has he got, Randall?
57:21 Speaker 07 Let me pull it back up here.
57:23 Speaker 06 Well, I don't, do we want to give away that information? Cause then it all
57:25 Steven Rinella? Ballpark it.
57:28 Speaker 06 Say forty.
57:28 Steven Rinella? Come on, the guy's name, yeah, somewhere in a quadrant of America.
57:33 Speaker 06 Forty acres.
57:34 Steven Rinella? Okay, somewhere in a quadrant of America is forty acres with a creek.
57:40 Steven Rinella? I've been out in that place.
57:43 Speaker 06 Well, I think, I don't know if he purposely kept it out, but I think that
57:47 Speaker 07 And it's a narrow sliver.
57:49 Speaker 06 That adds a lot of context to the situation.
57:51 Steven Rinella? So maybe he shouldn't be hunting his own place. Cause
57:53 Speaker 06 Knowing the size
57:54 Steven Rinella? Stay on forty.
57:55 Speaker 06 Size of his and knowing the size of the neighbors. Are we ready to dissect this? Or do you need to read this?
58:01 Steven Rinella? No, no, no, no, we're not there yet. We're getting there. My property is lot, not large. Oh, he did that.
58:11 Steven Rinella? Is essentially ended my hunt for the day as they have intruded into the heart of my hunting area. And very likely spooked any deer that were in the area. I have considered telling them my feelings about them hunting the very small piece of property. Offering to buy it from the landowner.
58:34 Steven Rinella? Even building a fence around the triangle. And I even hung a tree stand not far from the property line.
58:44 Speaker 06 Hey, I'm here too.
58:46 Steven Rinella? There's gonna wind up being a blood trails episode.
58:49 Speaker 06 Body found in creek.
58:51 Steven Rinella? There's gonna wind up being a blood trails episode coming out of this place in the not so near future. So, so he went and set a tree stand up close to their property line.
59:05 Speaker 06 I just don't think
59:06 Speaker 04 He can say they're intruding.
59:08 Steven Rinella? Not far from the property line myself as a major game trail passes right through the triangle.
59:14 Speaker 05 No, but he meant intruding like when they actually come on to try to retrieve. They are.
59:19 Speaker 04 No, they say they're, it's more like they're intruding on his hunt.
59:24 Steven Rinella? I'm, I'm baking up.
59:26 Speaker 05 Oh, I thought it's when they physically come on to his property to retrieve. They are intruding. That's, that's.
59:32 Steven Rinella? No, he's saying, okay, I'll do a quick recap, but, because I can understand with all the interruptions.
59:40 Steven Rinella? I just want to finish, I want to finish support guys letter. I feel the odds of myself and my morals as someone who hunts public land in the West and often groans over the actions some landowners take to protect their property from hunters.
59:55 Steven Rinella? Have I become the private land owner a-hole? Hmm. All right. Just to recap. No, it's clear. He's got a little chunk. He's got 40 acres. I'm jealous. Part of it, he's got a little 1.5. His neighbor owns a little 1.5, two acre wedge that sits on like what he considers to be his side of the creek. They keep a stand over there. When they shoot a deer, the deer doesn't have to go far to get off a 1.5 acre parcel. Winds up on his place. They have trespass rights to retrieve their game. They go get their game. It's on opening day of gun season. They're now stirring around on his side of the fence. Everybody's pissed. I got a solution.
1:00:35 Speaker 04 It's 1.1 acre. Using Onyx's.
1:00:39 Steven Rinella? He oversold it.
1:00:39 Speaker 04 Shape tool. Yep.
1:00:41 Steven Rinella? Cause he was manipulative in other ways.
1:00:42 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
1:00:44 Steven Rinella? But he, he like, he could have manipulated it and rounded down.
1:00:48 Speaker 04 They rounded up.
1:00:49 Steven Rinella? But he rounded up.
1:00:50 Speaker 05 1.1. What, what he did. That 1.1 gives those guys a lot of free rein and go cross this. There's probably not a fence, right?
1:01:00 Steven Rinella? I got a solution.
1:01:02 Speaker 04 He never insinuated that they're shooting deer on his property either.
1:01:06 Steven Rinella? No.
1:01:06 Speaker 04 So they're like hunting an acre.
1:01:08 Steven Rinella? I think the old owner. Here's my solution.
1:01:15 Speaker 05 I'd be so frustrated.
1:01:16 Steven Rinella? Let's just build intention.
1:01:18 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
1:01:20 Steven Rinella? I think he makes a pack, a pact.
1:01:22 Speaker 06 Hmm.
1:01:24 Steven Rinella? Because here's the deal, from his bargaining position, he might be on the receiving end of more people coming on his land and vice versa. But you don't need to come with that. You could come saying, so this guy goes to the neighbor and plays this little mind trick. He goes to the neighbor and says, man, you know, I got 40 acres. It's paradise, dude. But let's be honest. I could easily shoot a deer that could get across the creek and disturb your hunt on opening day. And I mean, it's not out of the question that would happen to you on my place.
1:02:05 Steven Rinella? What I think we ought to do, just so I can feel better about it, because this has been weighing on me, because inevitably, me or one of my buddies is going to send a deer over onto your property. We're going to go chasing after it as we have the right to do. But to think that I would go over there and bump a buck, I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
1:02:24 Steven Rinella? So let's do this. In the first few days of firearm season, let's round up at dark. We'll call each other at dark. If anyone needs to come over and check on the other side, that's when we'll do it. So that we're not bumping anybody's hunt.
1:02:42 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
1:02:43 Steven Rinella? Granted, it might sit for a few hours, but that's not terrible till dusk. What do you say, old neighbor?
1:02:53 Speaker 06 That'd be a great way to handle it.
1:02:54 Speaker 04 That is.
1:02:54 Steven Rinella? I think it's the most diplomatic way to handle it.
1:02:56 Speaker 04 A financial hostile takeover would work.
1:02:58 Steven Rinella? No.
1:02:59 Speaker 04 You just, but just make him an offer he can't refuse.
1:03:02 Steven Rinella? Does it change, does it change your opinion at all that this creek is 75 feet across? Why did he say it was 30?
1:03:11 Speaker 07 I'm just measuring with Onyx's tool.
1:03:14 Steven Rinella? This guy is bad at measurements.
1:03:16 Speaker 06 Seventy-five is a pretty, seventy-five is like a, that's a river.
1:03:20 Steven Rinella? He's a, he's doing, he's wading. He's not even crossing.
1:03:23 Speaker 07 Yeah, I don't know. The Onyx tool says twenty-four.
1:03:26 Speaker 05 That's a lot of effort then for these hunters to get onto that little triangle.
1:03:34 Speaker 06 If you look at the property, you go, oh yeah, that's where you want to, that's where you want to be.
1:03:39 Steven Rinella? Oh, really?
1:03:39 Speaker 06 I'm looking at his. Yeah, because the neighbor's property is like ninety percent non-timbered. So, his ten percent that is timbered, one acre of that happens to be on the other side of the creek.
1:03:51 Speaker 04 We're narrowing this place down even more.
1:03:53 Steven Rinella? No, no, trust me, no one can find this place. Here's the deal, man. Now I'm re-changing my thing. Now I'm re-changing. Now I'm getting like a, like a eagle stern inside me. Bald eagle.
1:04:04 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:04:06 Steven Rinella? It's like this, dude. The more I think about it.
1:04:11 Steven Rinella? He didn't make up the rule that you can retrieve game off property. He owns the damn land.
1:04:15 Speaker 07 Right.
1:04:17 Steven Rinella? It's like, what's he supposed to do? Not hunt his own place?
1:04:21 Speaker 07 So if, if, but here's, here's where I'd play devil's advocate. If a deer never crosses the creek, right? Like, if, if you shoot a deer and a hundred percent of the time, it runs onto his place.
1:04:34 Steven Rinella? Yeah, because he's not gonna cross, they'll jump a little creek, not jump, they'll, they'll wade, but they're not gonna, when they're wounded, they're not gonna wanna cross a major river.
1:04:42 Speaker 07 This, there's no way that any deer is gonna turn and cross this thing.
1:04:45 Steven Rinella? Have I heard of this creek before?
1:04:47 Speaker 07 No. But I'm just thinking like, so if you owned one acre along that creek.
1:04:53 Speaker 07 And he's just, and every deer you shot ran off your property.
1:04:58 Speaker 07 Is your property too small to hunt?
1:05:01 Steven Rinella? I don't believe there is such a thing.
1:05:04 Steven Rinella? The state allows.
1:05:05 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
1:05:06 Steven Rinella? It's hate the game, not the player.
1:05:08 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:05:09 Steven Rinella? The state allows retrieval. What is he supposed to do?
1:05:14 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:05:14 Speaker 05 But what about the intent of of the hunters if they know that 100% of the time that they cross that creek and stand on that little one acre parcel and hunt deer that.
1:05:27 Steven Rinella? I don't believe I don't believe him on that. And I would invite people here sitting at this table to ask yourself this question. Of all the deer that you have personally shot and seen get shot, all of the whitetail deer that you have shot or seen get shot by a firearm. What percent have left the center of one acre parcels?
1:05:52 Steven Rinella? A minority.
1:05:53 Speaker 06 Minority for sure.
1:05:54 Steven Rinella? A minority leave the area.
1:05:57 Speaker 05 What if you're shooting?
1:06:00 Speaker 05 A deer that is
1:06:05 Speaker 05 almost on the the the the over almost across the property.
1:06:10 Speaker 06 Takes one jump and he's on the neighbor's property.
1:06:13 Steven Rinella? If you shoot one dead nuts in the middle of this triangle, it's 28 yards to the property line. But again.
1:06:20 Speaker 05 And if you double along it, you could still you could still.
1:06:24 Speaker 06 Easy.
1:06:25 Speaker 05 Traverse that distance.
1:06:26 Steven Rinella? And I'm not I'm not saying that like his neighbors shouldn't be allowed to do this. I'm just saying like he's right in feeling that they're kind of being.
1:06:35 Speaker 06 No.
1:06:37 Steven Rinella? Imposing neighbors. You know what I say to my kids a lot? I say tough titty.
1:06:42 Speaker 06 Said the kitty.
1:06:43 Steven Rinella? Titty.
1:06:44 Speaker 06 At our house, they even add a little meow sound at the end of it. But here's the deal. It doesn't matter if it's one acre or another 40 acre chunk. We used to own a 40 acre chunk that had three neighbors each and then one one neighbor was the county road, right? So it was you get what I'm I'm painting here. All of the neighbor stands seemed like they were right on the property line.
1:07:08 Steven Rinella? Everybody knows. The box are on the neighbor's place.
1:07:14 Speaker 06 I also think.
1:07:14 Speaker 06 Or they're crossing. I don't know what they think.
1:07:16 Steven Rinella? You know, we call it.
1:07:19 Speaker 06 No, no, no, no, I'm, that's the end of my story. I'm just saying that like, it doesn't matter if it's an acre or 40. People hunt on those borders where that stuff is going to happen all the time where deer run onto the neighbors.
1:07:28 Steven Rinella? The main border we had to deal with growing up deer hunting, you know what was we called the other side of that fence? No man's land. Meanwhile, that guy was like, no, this is the center of the universe. This is my farm. It was like, don't go down to no man's land.
1:07:43 Speaker 06 I also think it's like, are, are those guys coming on to that one acre? Like they ain't going there to hunt one acre.
1:07:52 Steven Rinella? So now you're saying that the landowner owns the deer?
1:07:55 Speaker 06 No, I'm not saying that, but like, do you see like, you're going to go hunt a spot where you're like, your intention is like, only to hunt the deer that come on to that one acre?
1:08:07 Steven Rinella? Yes. If God said, if he said, Steve, you have one acre, choose to hunt or not. You can go on your neighbors to get your deer.
1:08:21 Speaker 06 Okay.
1:08:22 Steven Rinella? I would go, I'll hunt.
1:08:24 Speaker 06 I mean, imagine if that one acre was like sandwiched between Lee and Tiffany's and, and Bill Winkie's, you know, two each have.
1:08:32 Steven Rinella? A little narrow areas of land.
1:08:34 Speaker 06 Like, yeah.
1:08:35 Steven Rinella? Connecting those two.
1:08:36 Speaker 06 I know, I know exactly where to hit them. So they don't leave my one acre, you know?
1:08:41 Speaker 07 Yeah. Well, it also raises the question, how many, how many deer are they shooting per year? Like if they're just screwing up his opening morning every year, I think you just.
1:08:50 Steven Rinella? Yeah, but I already came up with a solution how to fix that. I'm just saying this dude, I'm saying in America, like, I don't care if you have one tree.
1:09:01 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:09:03 Steven Rinella? I don't, if it's legal, if you're not in city limits, you can legally discharge a firearm. You have an acre, your state says retrieval is okay. I don't think you're in the wrong. If your state said retrieval is not okay. Without permission, like the one we live in. And then you called and you said, what would be the chances I could retrieve a deer on your place? They say the minute you touch your foot on my property, I'm calling the sheriff. I'd be like, man, we can't hunt the one acre.
1:09:31 Speaker 07 Yeah, right.
1:09:33 Steven Rinella? Like, no matter what, I don't care what kind of gun, we ain't hunting the one acre.
1:09:37 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:09:38 Steven Rinella? Cause that guy is gonna call the sheriff and we can't guarantee that it's gonna stay on the one acre.
1:09:44 Speaker 07 I feel like you have to answer his question. Have I become the private land owner asshole?
1:09:52 Steven Rinella? I'm afraid so, with all due respect.
1:09:54 Speaker 07 But is his?
1:09:55 Speaker 06 I think that's more of not a private land thing. It's like a neighbor thing.
1:09:59 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:09:59 Speaker 06 Cause it's not like private versus public.
1:10:02 Steven Rinella? You know what a doctor said to me the other day? They were telling me the other day, oh, my friend, oh, the same doctor that she's the, the, the, the CWD incident. She said to me, when a parent asks.
1:10:17 Speaker 06 Is this my doctor?
1:10:18 Steven Rinella? No.
1:10:19 Speaker 06 No, different doctor.
1:10:20 Steven Rinella? D.
1:10:20 Speaker 07 Hmm.
1:10:22 Steven Rinella? She said, when a parent asks a question about
1:10:28 Steven Rinella? food for their kids,
1:10:31 Steven Rinella? she stops worrying about, any parent that asks a question about healthy choice foods for their kids, she never worries about the kid.
1:10:39 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:10:40 Steven Rinella? Because the parent thought to ask a question. She said, it's the ones that would never think to ask.
1:10:48 Steven Rinella? That's just her, a thing she's picked up over the years.
1:10:50 Speaker 07 Yep.
1:10:51 Steven Rinella? The fact that you'd be like, hey, is it okay if my kid, she's like, kid's probably fine. They at least wonder.
1:10:57 Speaker 07 Yeah, and, and I also just think like.
1:11:00 Steven Rinella? So this guy maybe is not so bad because he's at least wondering to ask.
1:11:05 Speaker 07 He's also not saying that they're doing something horrible. He's just saying like, this is sort of become annoying to me.
1:11:11 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
1:11:12 Speaker 07 Is there a way to? Fix this.
1:11:14 Steven Rinella? The pact.
1:11:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, I, I don't think he's becoming privately an asshole whatsoever. It'd be annoying to anybody. So you can do what Steve said. I think that also offering to buy the one acre. I mean, if he can afford it, uh, buy definitely.
1:11:28 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:11:29 Speaker 06 You know? I mean, if an acre goes for eight and like he's got 15 that he can spend on this and you just, yeah, offer him and it's that important to him? Do it. Like, not gonna make anybody mad to offer.
1:11:40 Speaker 04 The interesting thing is none of this. I don't even think you'd be having this conversation if that creek wasn't there. If it was just a corner of.
1:11:47 Speaker 07 Yeah, he's got a sweet, he's got a sweet property.
1:11:50 Speaker 04 You know what I mean?
1:11:50 Steven Rinella? Trump's, uh, his chief diplomat, Steve Witkoff, he's doing well. He could maybe go over there and talk to him.
1:11:57 Steven Rinella? But hey, when you get back from, when you get back from Ukraine, you need to talk to my neighbors about their one acre. All right, here's one. Here's a plea for help. I never felt so bad for someone in all my life.
1:12:08 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:12:10 Steven Rinella? Listen to this. There might be more to the story, dude. You think there's more to the story?
1:12:13 Speaker 05 No, I, I felt real bad.
1:12:15 Speaker 06 Of course, there's more to the story.
1:12:17 Steven Rinella? Might be more to the story. Hi, Steve. I'm from Alberta, Canada. I've been hunting for three years for deer and have had no success. I'm the first hunter in my family.
1:12:33 Steven Rinella? My friends don't hunt and most of my colleagues don't hunt. Of the hunters I've found and spoken to, they are all unwilling to provide me any genuine guidance.
1:12:48 Steven Rinella? I've received a constant, keep trying. And one day,
1:12:54 Steven Rinella? everyone gate keeps their hunting locations, tactics, ideas, how to contact landowners, how to determine if the land is good, the etiquette of approaching the landowner and anything else you can think of. I would say with the notable exception of this show, which has provided endless guidance on all of those issues. But I think he means local people in Alberta. I don't even know what direction people go to hunt.
1:13:25 Steven Rinella? I actually believe some people tell me west to the mountains, but I see images of them hunting
1:13:34 Steven Rinella? to the north, east or south.
1:13:37 Speaker 04 He's starting to figure it out here.
1:13:41 Steven Rinella? So I tell my kids, if they're like, where were you hunting? You're hunting where none you creek falls in the business river.
1:13:48 Speaker 07 See a photo of a guy with a deer in a big wheat field and he was like, oh, I killed him up in the Bridgers.
1:13:55 Steven Rinella? Yeah. So people are like, hey, man, go up in the mountains. But in their pictures, they're to the north. They're like, hey, go west in the mountains. He sees their pictures and they're.
1:14:05 Speaker 07 They're out on the plains.
1:14:06 Steven Rinella? They're out on the prairies to points, north, south and east.
1:14:13 Speaker 07 And stop asking those people any questions.
1:14:16 Steven Rinella? He goes on and says, I've consistently gone almost every weekend for three seasons. And the only animal, so this guy has gotten three years in, he has gotten a grouse.
1:14:30 Steven Rinella? It's become extremely expensive and painful to drive two hours solo. To see absolutely nothing. Because I've been sent on a goose chase.
1:14:42 Speaker 07 That part's a little like, it seems like he's getting bitter.
1:14:45 Steven Rinella? Vindictive.
1:14:46 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:14:46 Steven Rinella? No, spent three years.
1:14:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:14:48 Steven Rinella? I mean, how long is he supposed to stay in a good mood about it?
1:14:53 Speaker 07 I don't know.
1:14:56 Steven Rinella? I've done as much Googling as I can, but even Google can't mentor me.
1:15:04 Steven Rinella? Thanks.
1:15:07 Speaker 07 Please help, you forgot.
1:15:08 Steven Rinella? So here's the ask, and I can't, this is no guarantee on my part. If this winds up being a Blood Trails episode, it's not my fault.
1:15:17 Steven Rinella? If someone wants to write in and puts the subject line, um.
1:15:22 Speaker 07 What are they, what are they writing into? Contact at? Something or another.
1:15:26 Speaker 05 The Meat Eater Podcast at the Meat Eater.
1:15:29 Steven Rinella? Whatever. Yeah. Type in, uh.
1:15:31 Speaker 07 Can you find the address?
1:15:33 Speaker 07 Like to, to write Roman a note.
1:15:35 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:15:37 Steven Rinella? Put down a Canadian guy, Alberta guy.
1:15:41 Steven Rinella? Head west guy, Charles guy, skunk guy, something like that in the subject line.
1:15:48 Steven Rinella? If you're from Alberta, you want to take this guy out and under your wing, send us a note.
1:15:53 Speaker 06 Yeah, or if you're like a cool rancher and you're like, I got plenty of deer on my place.
1:15:57 Steven Rinella? That would be the best if there's a rancher who like generally doesn't want anybody hunting, but wants to let this guy out just so he can stick it to the other guys.
1:16:06 Speaker 06 Yeah. Okay.
1:16:08 Speaker 05 There are a couple of emails, but just go for meat eater at the meat eater dot com.
1:16:12 Steven Rinella? You don't like the whole sticking it to him thing.
1:16:14 Speaker 06 I know. Yeah, yeah.
1:16:16 Steven Rinella? Yeah, he's trying to keep it positive. He's not sticking it to him or anything.
1:16:20 Speaker 06 Yeah, that would be very nice of anybody in Alberta, you know, that could, that could help out this fellow.
1:16:28 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I just wonder.
1:16:29 Speaker 06 Couple of things. Okay.
1:16:30 Steven Rinella? Well, Alberta's awful big. Like what town, if he's in town, right? Well, he's got to be in Edmonton or something, right? Cause he doesn't say though.
1:16:38 Speaker 06 No, he doesn't. But.
1:16:40 Steven Rinella? But he's like going, if you're in Edmonton. Does that make sense, Randall? If you're in Edmonton, you go west, all that, all that.
1:16:48 Speaker 06 There's Calgary. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it could be Calgary. I just want to say this, that if you take out his uh, interactions with these other hunters that aren't helping him. He leaves his age. I think that's what that's for, that number, 24. He's a young fella. He's only been out hunting three.
1:17:07 Steven Rinella? I read that to mean that, oh, you're right. It's not 2024. He's 24 years old.
1:17:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:17:11 Speaker 05 Right.
1:17:12 Steven Rinella? So. Are you going to analyze this?
1:17:14 Speaker 06 I am.
1:17:15 Steven Rinella? Okay, go ahead.
1:17:15 Speaker 06 He's only 24. He's only been at it three years. Uh, Corinne, you're a pretty new hunter. You've been at it longer than three years at this point.
1:17:24 Speaker 05 I think this is only my fifth season.
1:17:27 Speaker 06 Fifth season. Do you think, is it really, is it really out of the question? She hasn't killed a mountain of stuff. I think she's always telling me about struggling. Like it's, it took a while to get into it.
1:17:38 Steven Rinella? She got coyote. How many deer you got?
1:17:41 Speaker 06 She also works here. She doesn't have our friends' problems.
1:17:45 Steven Rinella? She's got six deer, a coyote. What else?
1:17:49 Speaker 05 An elk.
1:17:50 Steven Rinella? An elk.
1:17:50 Speaker 06 And a shitload of.
1:17:51 Speaker 07 Mentors, which this guy doesn't.
1:17:53 Steven Rinella? What I'm saying, she's got a whole mountain of stuff.
1:17:55 Speaker 06 But I think she could see, she could see more than us, cause for us, it's so far in our past. She could see that it's not unfathomable that you could hunt for three seasons and not kill something.
1:18:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, for sure.
1:18:10 Speaker 06 That's just, that's my point. So I think to this fellow, I'm, I'm just saying like, dude, this shit is not easy. We have mentored people.
1:18:19 Steven Rinella? But I just feel bad, I, I just feel bad for him though, still.
1:18:21 Speaker 06 You should.
1:18:22 Steven Rinella? Cause I feel like people are being mean to him, maybe.
1:18:24 Speaker 06 Yeah, well, again, there's always more to the story. We are, we've mentored people on, through Meat Eater, that were very capable adults. We showed them how to hunt. We hunted with them. We were successful. They did not continue down the hunting path because it was difficult.
1:18:42 Steven Rinella? Too much of a pain in the ass.
1:18:43 Speaker 06 Yes.
1:18:44 Speaker 07 I also wonder like, hi- his friends don't hunt, his colleagues don't hunt. So then he says, of the hunters I've found and spoken to, like, who are you asking? Are you just asking strangers? Like, I think you need to build, uh, relationships with hunters.
1:19:00 Steven Rinella? Like, he's at Lucky Lill's and there's a guy standing there in some camo.
1:19:03 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:19:04 Steven Rinella? He's at the coffee shop, baby.
1:19:04 Speaker 07 Like, you see a deer in the back of someone's truck, you know?
1:19:07 Steven Rinella? Hey, where'd you get that? The guy's like, duh, to the west.
1:19:10 Speaker 07 Like, he, like, his, he doesn't have family, friends, or colleagues to rely on. So like,
1:19:16 Steven Rinella? Who is he talking to?
1:19:17 Speaker 07 Yeah, like, go volunteer at some conservation group.
1:19:20 Speaker 06 Call a biologist for fishing game.
1:19:23 Steven Rinella? Could be these creepy people out.
1:19:25 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:19:26 Steven Rinella? Could be creepy people out.
1:19:27 Speaker 07 Yeah, like, you're not gonna get these suggestions if you don't have the sort of built up social capital with these people.
1:19:34 Steven Rinella? Yeah, like, if he wrote a longer email with more detail and in it, he was like, so what I do is, you see, people are usually home in the middle of the night. So if I know someone hunts, I'll find their home and knock on the door in the middle of the night to catch them home.
1:19:51 Speaker 07 Or I'll look in their windows to see if they have trophies hanging up.
1:19:54 Steven Rinella? And once I determine they're a hunter.
1:19:57 Speaker 07 No, I, I, but I do think.
1:19:58 Steven Rinella? I'll introduce myself.
1:19:59 Speaker 07 You have to build the relationships before you're gonna get any sort of help, you know?
1:20:04 Steven Rinella? That's true.
1:20:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah.
1:20:06 Steven Rinella? If a dude came up to me, yeah, if a dude came up to me and I didn't know who he was, and he was like, hey, where'd you get the, that goose with missing half his bill? Yeah, I'd probably go, uh, west of here.
1:20:17 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:20:22 Steven Rinella? Long ways west.
1:20:24 Speaker 06 I think we've given him plenty of advice.
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1:22:25 Steven Rinella? One of my favorite things on the planet, no, I'm not recommending this because people are gonna read it and they're gonna get all hot under the hood, but there's a very funny writer named Nellie Bowles, and she writes for Free Press. One of my favorite things to do when I wake up on Friday morning is to read Nellie Bowles's Week in Review. Well, it's called TGIF. In TGIF, it's a column, it's a humor column.
1:22:49 Steven Rinella? It comes out Friday. By the time I wake up, it's already out. I get up early and I lay there and I read in my bed and I laugh and I chuckled myself and it's a it's she starts out, she hacks the right to pieces and then she hacks the left to pieces. She's a she's a comedy writer. She's a humor writer. She does a funny take on the news. It's satire. But she's very good about ridiculing everyone in a way that it's just funny.
1:23:15 Steven Rinella? She had a blip and I was kind of unaware of this. She had a blip about the Sierra Club, like that there's been a bit of an implosion at Sierra Club. Are you aware of this?
1:23:24 Speaker 07 Yeah, a little bit.
1:23:25 Steven Rinella? Some revelations that have cost the Sierra Club a lot of brand equity. Um, in this thing, what I'm going to get to is this really funny uh equity language guide, which I thought was hilarious that she talks about in there, but I didn't know this. The Sierra Club got to the point where they had two people on fighting the Trump administration on Anwar. And a hundred and eight people on DEI initiatives. And it was talking about that that imbalance of core mission to internal politics that have been problematic for Sierra Club.
1:24:03 Steven Rinella? But they came out with this guide. Now I went and found the guide and was thumbing through it and it gives all these things you shouldn't say and what to say instead. Like, don't say, pull the trigger.
1:24:16 Steven Rinella? You should instead say, go for it.
1:24:19 Steven Rinella? Don't use locked and loaded.
1:24:23 Steven Rinella? Instead, try ready to go. Don't say bulletproof. Say guaranteed to succeed.
1:24:34 Steven Rinella? Uh, smoking gun should be incontrovertible evidence or the damning facts of the case.
1:24:44 Steven Rinella? Don't use chokehold.
1:24:46 Speaker 06 That's twice, that's twice this episode that you've pronounced, uh, damn that way. Are you doing that in jest?
1:24:52 Steven Rinella? Damning.
1:24:54 Speaker 06 That's how you correctly pronounce that word?
1:24:56 Speaker 05 Damming.
1:24:57 Steven Rinella? Well, hot damn is D A M N.
1:25:00 Speaker 06 I know, but you don't hear the N when you say hot damn.
1:25:03 Steven Rinella? How do you say damning?
1:25:04 Speaker 05 Damming.
1:25:05 Speaker 06 Just like that?
1:25:05 Steven Rinella? Damning?
1:25:07 Speaker 06 No.
1:25:07 Speaker 05 No N.
1:25:08 Steven Rinella? Oh, you don't think so?
1:25:08 Speaker 05 Silent N.
1:25:09 Steven Rinella? Is it?
1:25:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:25:10 Steven Rinella? Is that true?
1:25:10 Speaker 05 That's what I thought, Randall.
1:25:12 Speaker 06 I thought you were messing with me.
1:25:13 Speaker 07 I would say damning.
1:25:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:25:14 Steven Rinella? Damning?
1:25:15 Speaker 07 Damning evidence.
1:25:16 Steven Rinella? Damn you. Damned.
1:25:18 Speaker 07 Hey, you're right.
1:25:18 Steven Rinella? Damned. Listen dude, I'd never say that N, but in this context with the ing, I don't say damning. Damming. Yeah, is it a truly a silent N? You guys are right.
1:25:31 Speaker 06 I'm looking.
1:25:34 Steven Rinella? Anyway, I just think it's funny.
1:25:35 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's, it's M.
1:25:37 Steven Rinella? Oh, cause remember how they said, someone said that D day was a day that will live in infamy?
1:25:43 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:25:44 Steven Rinella? Don't use that, cause that makes people feel like it's military-ish.
1:25:47 Speaker 06 Pearl Harbor.
1:25:48 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Instead you say, history has its eyes on you.
1:25:57 Speaker 05 Wow, this list is.
1:25:59 Steven Rinella? Okay, one last news bit, maybe two.
1:26:03 Steven Rinella? This is the, this is actual news. This is, this, this is one of those, this is one of those news stories that makes its own gravy. And this, this is, Brody should be an expert on this, cause he's from Colorado. In fact, Brody's one of many people that sent this to me. It's a policy thing. Starting on January 1st, 2026, so coming right up here.
1:26:23 Steven Rinella? Um, in the state of Colorado,
1:26:28 Steven Rinella? there will be a bifurcation of how bison are legally treated. Now get this.
1:26:41 Steven Rinella? This is a unanimous decision from what, uh, the commission?
1:26:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, uh, and, and the Department of Ags involved too. They have to be.
1:26:51 Steven Rinella? So.
1:26:53 Steven Rinella? I might, I might start out by saying how it is in other places. Let me give you how it is here. In the state of Montana, and I talked with this all damn time, in the state of Montana.
1:27:03 Steven Rinella? Bison buffalo. Are the only native.
1:27:10 Steven Rinella? Animal. That is not legally regarded as a wild animal. They are legally classified as livestock. Okay. Colorado has plenty of ranches, bison ranches privately owned and fenced bison herds.
1:27:30 Steven Rinella? Starting on the first of the year. I'll get into what this all means in a minute, but starting on the first of the year. There will be privately owned and fenced bison herds. Okay. They will continue to be listed as livestock. But, starting on that day forward. If a free ranging bison.
1:27:52 Steven Rinella? Enters the state of Colorado from a neighboring state.
1:27:56 Speaker 04 Or if they establish themselves.
1:28:00 Speaker 04 Eventually.
1:28:01 Steven Rinella? Oh, well. But if they don't walk in.
1:28:04 Speaker 04 Well, I'm saying like if they walk in and stay or there's a reintroduction or whatever.
1:28:10 Steven Rinella? Well, uh, sure. Okay. Is that true?
1:28:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think, go ahead and finish, but I'll say why I think it's true.
1:28:17 Steven Rinella? Well, my understanding is the wording is free ranging bison that naturally enter the state from neighboring areas.
1:28:25 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:28:26 Speaker 05 So not reintroduction yet.
1:28:29 Steven Rinella? Become de facto, become de facto wildlife when they enter the state.
1:28:34 Speaker 07 Hmm.
1:28:36 Steven Rinella? I want to talk more about where that's not true because this is all hypothetical in Colorado because it hasn't happened yet, but it's very interesting because it could and I'll get to that in a minute. It could happen and this is why that's cool that they did that. In Montana, so. What, when, when, when a buffalo leaves Yellowstone National Park? And, and it crosses the invis, to, to them invisible border.
1:28:59 Steven Rinella? And enters the state. We go whoop, you just stop being wildlife there, buddy. And they can shoot you. Round you up, lower you up, send you to slaughter, whatever the hell they want. They don't have to honor it as wildlife. But they always point this out to people. If a grizzly bear, a wolf, a wolverine, a bighorn sheep, a mountain goat, an elk, a mule deer, a whitetail deer, a black bear. I could go on all day.
1:29:26 Steven Rinella? Any of those things crosses that boundary, walks into Montana, that some bitch is wildlife. If he's a buffalo, he's not, he's livestock. Which means they they're preventing them from ever getting onto public land as wildlife. Cause they don't, they don't, they don't, they can't legally be wildlife.
1:29:44 Speaker 07 And private land is wildlife.
1:29:46 Steven Rinella? And yeah, and privately.
1:29:47 Speaker 07 And there's management levers. That they want to be able to pull.
1:29:52 Steven Rinella? Yeah, they used to shoot them. They used to just flat out like, they used to flat out Department of Livestock would sit there and flat out shoot them all. And then public pressure led them to be that now they have hunts for the tribes. They have public draw hunts, but still they are not allowed to just come and hang.
1:30:10 Speaker 07 Yeah, and there's a line in the sand where like, if they get past all the hunters.
1:30:14 Steven Rinella? Yep.
1:30:15 Speaker 07 They get killed by. Whatever Department of Livestock.
1:30:19 Steven Rinella? So Colorado, say what you want about them down in Colorado for, for bringing wolves in. And not letting them walk in. If I was Colorado, if I was the emperor of Colorado, I would have not done the, I would have not done the reintroduction. And I would have waited till they walked in on their own four feet, which was happening anyways.
1:30:39 Speaker 07 Yep.
1:30:39 Steven Rinella? So anyways, I'd have waited on this. I don't know. No one's talking about a reintroduction effort. Maybe they will. But the groundwork is set now and where, why they're getting at this is over in Utah, there's a book cliffs herd. Utah has that like the Henry Mountains. Utah has a couple of free ranging wild herds of buffalo. And these book cliff ones are a genetic, I had to even get into that. They're genetically pure, which that whole conversation in my mind is a lot of BS.
1:31:11 Steven Rinella? Meaning, people that don't like the animals will delegitimize certain herds of them by saying that they're like, not genetically pure.
1:31:19 Speaker 04 They have cattle, some remnant, yeah.
1:31:22 Steven Rinella? Yeah, like, like, some, if you, if you take a blood sample from, for instance, if you go to the north rim of the Grand Canyon in Arizona, on Grand Canyon National Park, where there's buffalo that run wild and the park service down there doesn't like them, generally speaking, they tolerate them, kind of, they would say, oh, the problem is they're not genetically pure. But if you took 100 Americans and said, and showed them one of those animals and said, hey, what is that? Listen, 100 would go, that's a bison. They just are. But deep in their history is like
1:32:04 Steven Rinella? a little bit of cattle introgression. And so people use that cattle introgression BS to like delegitimize certain populations of the animals.
1:32:12 Speaker 04 They're not really bison.
1:32:13 Steven Rinella? Yeah, there was not really a bison. So it's like, let's get rid of them. Um, so with this situation.
1:32:22 Speaker 04 The book's cliffs ones occasionally.
1:32:24 Steven Rinella? Do walk across.
1:32:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, come into Colorado.
1:32:26 Steven Rinella? So they're setting the groundwork that as those book cliffs ones drifting to Colorado, it's up to fishing, it's up to Colorado fishing parks to determine what happens to it. Parks and wildlife. Parks and wildlife can go, no, cool. They're cool. They're cool. Don't mess with them. It's wildlife. If you want to hunt them, you're gonna have to draw a tag.
1:32:47 Speaker 04 Right.
1:32:48 Steven Rinella? You can't just shoot them as errant livestock.
1:32:51 Speaker 04 And it would allow them to manage, CPW to manage them if they did like a herd establish itself eventually.
1:32:57 Steven Rinella? Yeah. It is very much a step in the right direction.
1:33:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:33:01 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm. In my mind, and just to show you, not even biases, I'm like open about this all the time. I am of the opinion, like categorically of the opinion that we could be, we could have a lot more buffalo, bison, I don't care what you want to call them. We could have a lot more buffalo on the landscape.
1:33:27 Steven Rinella? For people to see, for people to hunt, it's like, it's just time to get this going. And this is a step in the right direction. I would love to see this, this, I would love to see in my own state. I would love to see in Montana, the same attitude. If it walks in, if it's a wild animal and it walks in on its own four feet, it's a wild animal.
1:33:54 Steven Rinella? Cut the tape, Phil.
1:33:56 Speaker 06 We're not moving on to another one. You got enough?
1:34:00 Steven Rinella? Man, I want to get into this Michigan thing, but it's like a long time thing to talk about.
1:34:04 Speaker 06 But let's do it on the next one.
1:34:06 Steven Rinella? We gotta, we gotta bite them at the bottom, though.
1:34:09 Speaker 06 Yep. Sweepstakes, which I didn't know about. I might even apply for this by five tickets.
1:34:17 Steven Rinella? Well, you know what I wanted to talk about?
1:34:18 Speaker 06 He's sweet. Go over to Steve's, like, "Cook me dinner, bitch."
1:34:25 Steven Rinella? I'll do it at the office.
1:34:27 Speaker 06 Oh, that's nice.
1:34:28 Steven Rinella? We should have put this up front.
1:34:29 Speaker 05 I, I, yes, we, yes.
1:34:33 Steven Rinella? You know what, Phil? Let's put it up front.
1:34:35 Speaker 06 If you win, you're not allowed to go to Steve's house and say that to him.
1:34:39 Steven Rinella? From now until December 29th, we're running the sweepstakes.
1:34:45 Steven Rinella? This should have really been up top.
1:34:47 Speaker 04 You know what? I'm gonna, you're, you're gonna say this thing. I'm going to copy and paste it right up front.
1:34:51 Steven Rinella? Ooh.
1:34:51 Speaker 05 And then. There's no reason why.
1:34:53 Steven Rinella? Okay, so if you're sitting here listening at home.
1:34:55 Speaker 04 People will get to the end and hear you say, "Hey, Phil, put this up front."
1:34:58 Steven Rinella? And you've already heard me say this? Duh. I already said it.
1:35:04 Steven Rinella? We're running the sweepstakes from now until December 29th.
1:35:09 Steven Rinella? This is a hell of a sweepstakes deal.
1:35:10 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
1:35:12 Steven Rinella? What you get, you get a trip to Bozeman. So we cover round trip airfare for, for you and three friends or family members. So a total of four people. We cover your airfare, your lodging, and your car. You stay two nights in town. I cook dinner. We'll do it here at our, at our, at our headquarters kitchen. And I'll get some of the guys to help out. Some of the, I'll just put out all company for helpers. We will cook you a many-course meal. I will serve it to you personally. We will give you a $1,000 gift card to our retail store on Main Street.
1:35:50 Speaker 07 Hmm.
1:35:50 Steven Rinella? You know, I'm gonna throw this out there and we'll arrange for you to go down there privately if you'd like. You can go down there after hours with Alec.
1:35:57 Speaker 06 Do they get to pick when they come out?
1:35:59 Speaker 07 He's gonna love that.
1:36:00 Speaker 06 Or do you have like, you know what I mean?
1:36:02 Steven Rinella? Alex Zimmer. What's that?
1:36:04 Speaker 06 Do they get to pick when they come out or is it a specific time?
1:36:08 Steven Rinella? No, no, we'll pick a time that works for them. We'll pick a mutually agreeable time.
1:36:12 Speaker 07 Hmm.
1:36:12 Steven Rinella? You and three of your friends, three family members, whatever. We pay your airfare. You come out. You gotta come from America.
1:36:21 Steven Rinella? You do. Canadians cannot do this. Listen, raffle and sweepstakes law is a Byzantine world, dude.
1:36:28 Speaker 07 Thorny.
1:36:30 Steven Rinella? You gotta be in America. Um, jump Montana. Nevermind.
1:36:37 Steven Rinella? The new driver's license deal cracks me up. If like, if you get a new driver's license, if you're like, American, you get an eagle on your driver's license.
1:36:47 Speaker 06 Oh, so now the new driver's license will qualify for the, for the proper ID for flying?
1:36:53 Steven Rinella? Well, no, we already have real ID.
1:36:55 Speaker 05 What? Do you mean nat- a naturalized citizen versus an American?
1:36:58 Steven Rinella? I believe they just passed a state law, but if you're like a citizen, you get an eagle too.
1:37:04 Speaker 07 Oh, I see.
1:37:05 Steven Rinella? Yeah. No, we already have real ID. They just kept postponing it because of the pandemic. I've been real ID for a while.
1:37:10 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
1:37:11 Steven Rinella? Anyhow, now I'm getting my new one with an American eagle on it, which I'm gonna
1:37:16 Steven Rinella? keep out of my wallet just to show people.
1:37:19 Speaker 06 Proudly display?
1:37:20 Steven Rinella? You gotta come from America.
1:37:25 Steven Rinella? Okay, I'm getting to the rules. Why did someone scratch the rules out?
1:37:29 Speaker 05 Fine, go for the rules. I scratched them out because I thought it'd be like a little too.
1:37:33 Speaker 06 Those aren't the rules.
1:37:34 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:37:35 Speaker 05 You know?
1:37:35 Speaker 07 Those aren't the rules. You already went over all of that.
1:37:38 Speaker 06 Yeah, you're good.
1:37:38 Steven Rinella? Yeah, it's, oh, yeah.
1:37:39 Speaker 07 How do you, but how do you enter?
1:37:41 Speaker 06 How do you enter, Steve?
1:37:42 Speaker 07 How, how is one eligible for such a giveaway?
1:37:44 Steven Rinella? Did I say, round trip?
1:37:47 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:37:47 Steven Rinella? Airfare?
1:37:48 Speaker 07 Yeah, we got.
1:37:49 Steven Rinella? Lodging, rental car, dinner cooked here by me. Thousand dollar gift card.
1:37:56 Speaker 07 One K.
1:37:57 Steven Rinella? Alex Zimmer, I'm volunteering him, will, will give you private access to the store. The worst actor in the company.
1:38:06 Speaker 06 That means you know he'll be telling you the truth. Yeah.
1:38:09 Speaker 07 One of the finest dogs that this company has.
1:38:12 Steven Rinella? Probably the, I haven't told him this, probably the worst actor. We've ever hired.
1:38:19 Speaker 06 He won't try and sell you something you don't need.
1:38:20 Steven Rinella? No, that's the thing. You can trust this guy because me and Randall tried to get him to act.
1:38:25 Speaker 07 Yeah. He's straight as an arrow.
1:38:29 Speaker 07 Doesn't have any.
1:38:30 Steven Rinella? There's no concern that he's BSing.
1:38:32 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:38:32 Steven Rinella? If he tells you something, it's the truth.
1:38:34 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
1:38:36 Steven Rinella? You should try to give him a couple pointers, Phil. I tried to give him some tips.
1:38:39 Speaker 04 I'll try. You know, for how often you, you talk to me about me doing plays, I've never once been asked to act in any sort of skit or any sort of commercial I've done at this company.
1:38:47 Speaker 07 Are you kidding me? I've seen your face.
1:38:49 Steven Rinella? You've done acting.
1:38:50 Speaker 04 I have not. I did, I did the Christmas video, but that was different.
1:38:54 Speaker 05 Four years ago.
1:38:55 Speaker 06 That's shocking.
1:38:56 Speaker 07 Phil, I've cast you in two plays on Radio Live. I've given you two roles.
1:39:01 Speaker 04 I've, I greatly appreciate that.
1:39:03 Speaker 05 I guess you mean like the, the Instagram social skits.
1:39:06 Speaker 06 Phil, I'm working on some skits.
1:39:07 Speaker 04 Dummies bumped me from roast three times now.
1:39:10 Steven Rinella? Yeah, we're filming one tomorrow. We didn't cast Phil in it.
1:39:13 Speaker 06 We might be filming two tomorrow. I'll get, make sure Phil's in on the second one.
1:39:17 Steven Rinella? We, I, I got cast, Randall's cast and Brianna got cast. She's Mrs. Claus.
1:39:26 Steven Rinella? So, I got it. So, someone's thinking, well, they're not just going to call me up and give it to me. And you're right.
1:39:37 Steven Rinella? You gotta go online. This is grossly oversimplified. Unless they simplify it.
1:39:43 Speaker 05 That's what I got.
1:39:46 Steven Rinella? Listen. Go to firstlight.com. I'm not going to tell you the rules.
1:39:52 Steven Rinella? Cause I think there's a way to enter, like, there's a way to enter free.
1:39:56 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:39:57 Steven Rinella? And there's a way to boost your entries.
1:39:59 Speaker 06 Right.
1:40:00 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:40:01 Speaker 07 But we have to tell them how to enter.
1:40:04 Steven Rinella? Go to firstlight.com and you'll see something about sweepstakes.
1:40:07 Speaker 07 Okay.
1:40:07 Steven Rinella? I believe, I believe there's a way to enter free, which you have to do in sweepstakes law. And then for every hundred bucks you spend at first light, you get five entries.
1:40:21 Steven Rinella? So there's a rub.
1:40:23 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
1:40:24 Steven Rinella? There's a rub.
1:40:25 Speaker 05 You can.
1:40:25 Steven Rinella? Like everything in life, the affluent will be favored.
1:40:31 Steven Rinella? I can't help it. I can't help it.
1:40:35 Steven Rinella? They tend to spend more money. I don't know. I'm not making it up.
1:40:41 Steven Rinella? Don't you agree?
1:40:42 Speaker 06 Yep, ending on a hard truth.
1:40:45 Speaker 06 Well, folks. I'm sorry you had to hear that twice, I guess.
1:40:51 Steven Rinella? Maybe you clean it up, make it sound more optimistic on the first one.
1:40:54 Speaker 06 Yeah, sure, yeah.
1:40:54 Speaker 07 I mean, a hundred bucks gets you five entries. That's pretty good.
1:40:57 Steven Rinella? Yeah, anybody can afford that.
1:41:00 Speaker 07 Twenty bucks.
1:41:00 Steven Rinella? That's what I always say.
1:41:01 Speaker 07 Twenty bucks a ticket, plus you're spending that money on something you wanted to buy anyway.
1:41:04 Speaker 04 Yeah, Randall blows like ten times that.
1:41:06 Steven Rinella? He'd just fly himself out here.
1:41:09 Speaker 04 Randall blows ten times that every year at the Sportsman's Expo, looking for tags.
1:41:13 Speaker 07 Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah, this might be one of the higher odds entries you'll get in this tag season, this drawing season.
1:41:19 Speaker 06 We have lots of quarter zips for probably right at a hundred bucks, a little bit under a hundred bucks, maybe a little bit over a hundred bucks. Uh, quarter zips are the thing, uh, this holiday season.
1:41:29 Steven Rinella? I keep hearing about that.
1:41:30 Speaker 06 For men, uh, so if you're looking for quarter zips, go to firstlight.com.
1:41:33 Steven Rinella? My kids have told me the opposite.
1:41:36 Steven Rinella? They've hit peak quarter zip, they told me.
1:41:38 Speaker 06 Hmm.
1:41:39 Steven Rinella? Cause it's people, they think it's people trying to look, um, they think it's people trying to look, um, studious.
1:41:46 Speaker 06 Hmm.
1:41:46 Steven Rinella? That's their take on it.
1:41:49 Speaker 06 Uh-huh. I can see that.
1:41:50 Steven Rinella? But they're, they're thinking of like a sweater.
1:41:53 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:41:54 Steven Rinella? Like a formal sweater.
1:41:55 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:41:56 Steven Rinella? Not like a, not like merino base layer quarters zip.
1:42:00 Speaker 06 No, but I could, I could see a kiln, uh, quarter zip, uh, being dressed down for a drink at the bar or being dressed up for a job interview.
1:42:09 Steven Rinella? Hmm.
1:42:10 Speaker 06 Sure.
1:42:11 Steven Rinella? Okay, so that's what you gotta do.
1:42:12 Speaker 06 Put a little collar underneath that thing, look good.
1:42:14 Steven Rinella? Big old dinner.
1:42:15 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
1:42:16 Steven Rinella? Big old dinner, shop and spree with Alex the, Alec the actor, that's what we call him.
1:42:20 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:42:21 Steven Rinella? Uh, firstlight.com. Check it out. While you're there, pick up a F'd up old truck's calendar. We're getting out of the calendar business. This is your last chance ever to get a calendar.
1:42:32 Speaker 06 Oh, bullshit.
1:42:33 Steven Rinella? I swear, I will never make another calendar.
1:42:36 Speaker 06 Will you, will you let me one if I, let me make one if I come up with a good idea?
1:42:40 Steven Rinella? I'm walking away from calendars.
1:42:42 Speaker 06 Why?
1:42:42 Steven Rinella? It's too fickle of a business. Who'd have thought that, that print calendars would fade out?
1:42:52 Steven Rinella? We tried to buck the trend.
1:42:53 Speaker 06 We rode that wave while we could.
1:42:55 Steven Rinella? Inevitably, people like it or not, are moving away from print calendars.
1:43:00 Speaker 07 The only takeaway I got from last year's calendar was that we didn't make enough of them. Cause at the Hunt Expo, I probably had.
1:43:05 Speaker 06 That's what he said, it's fickle, man.
1:43:07 Speaker 07 I probably had two dozen people come up to me at the Hunt Expo, wondering if we had extra calendars there. And I took, I took them off the walls of people around the office and sent them to these people.
1:43:17 Steven Rinella? Cause I think F'd up old shitters was like, as good as you could do.
1:43:21 Speaker 06 The pinnacle.
1:43:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:43:23 Steven Rinella? As good as you could do.
1:43:25 Speaker 05 Those are great.
1:43:26 Speaker 07 It's like Rocky IV.
1:43:28 Steven Rinella? It was like, Clay's mom, Clay's mom would have two reasons to wash his mouth out with soap. If he said the name of that calendar.
1:43:38 Speaker 07 We just need to get more provocative then, I guess.
1:43:39 Steven Rinella? And now that we're on to old trucks, I wanted to do old fishermen, F'd up old fishermen, I'm done, I'm out of the business.
1:43:45 Speaker 06 I was looking forward to be in that calendar.
1:43:48 Steven Rinella? Out of the business. You mark my words. If you want a calendar, and this is not a sales ploy, but I'll point out, if you were to want one of our calendars, now or never sucker.
1:43:59 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:44:00 Steven Rinella? But I'm not saying it because of salesmanship. Done, done, done. Don't the business. It's a fickle business. People are moving away. Me and Brody's wagon wheel went, business went tits up too.
1:44:09 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:44:13 Speaker 06 Land speculation business, that didn't work out.
1:44:16 Steven Rinella? Check, we had a little check business, printing checks.
1:44:21 Steven Rinella? Our mailbox business is slowing down, oil lamps.
1:44:25 Steven Rinella? We're sitting on gallons of whale oil.
1:44:30 Steven Rinella? And now the print calendar thing's slowing down.
1:44:32 Speaker 05 We just make lipstick and stuff.
1:44:34 Steven Rinella? But we're pretty optimistic about our VHS, uh.
1:44:39 Steven Rinella? We're investing heavily in VHS technology.
1:44:40 Speaker 06 And quarters that.
1:44:42 Speaker 07 Coal furnaces.
1:44:43 Speaker 05 DVD?
1:44:44 Steven Rinella? Oh, you know, the, the farmer that had the field that had the, the, the goose missing its bill? I noticed he heats a coal, big old bucket of coal.
1:44:54 Speaker 07 Wow.
1:44:54 Steven Rinella? Yeah. So he had a big metal tub next to his stove, full of coal. I feel like he must have his own coal seam. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys own coal seam.
1:45:04 Speaker 06 Huh.
1:45:04 Steven Rinella? Yeah, that was cool to see.
1:45:05 Speaker 06 Yeah, I wouldn't know where you'd.
1:45:07 Steven Rinella? No, once we drove off, I said to my kids, you know who that guy was? You know who that guy was heating with? And they're so young, they saw it, but they didn't know what they were looking at. I said, that big tub, like with the rocks. I was like, that's that dude's coal, man. Dude's heating with coal. Yeah, that's cool.
1:45:25 Speaker 06 Huh.
1:45:25 Steven Rinella? Right in the, right in the living room, big bucket of coal.
1:45:27 Speaker 04 I always wondered if that would work in one of those titanium, uh.
1:45:30 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
1:45:31 Speaker 04 Seek stove.
1:45:32 Steven Rinella? Camp stove.
1:45:33 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:45:34 Speaker 04 Couple of those in there.
1:45:35 Speaker 06 Why not?
1:45:36 Steven Rinella? All right, Phil, you can probably turn it off anytime now, man. Did you cut the tape earlier or no?
1:45:41 Speaker 06 I cut it when you asked me. Yeah, sorry about that.
1:45:43 Steven Rinella? So this is all just bonus.
1:45:44 Speaker 04 That was just witty banter for our own amusement.
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