Fraud Friday: LulaRobbed!: The Lawless Legging Company w/ Georgia Hardstark

It's been a little chilly lately, maybe it's time for a whole lot of legging on this week's Fraud Friday! Today, Laci rewinds with Georgia Hardstark (My Favorite Murder podcast) discussing LuLaRoe, the women’s clothing company embroiled in over 50 lawsuits, unsold leggings and consultants left in crippling debt. Plus, two Chicago women fall victim to a scam leaving one jobless and the other heartbroken. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 10/18/2021) CON-gregation, keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Georgia Hardstark: @hardstark Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES LulaRich, a documentary directed by Jenner Furst and Julia Willoughby https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-millennial-women-entrepreneurship-lawsuits https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/09/amazon-lularoe-documentary-lularich https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a37543989/lularoe-true-story-now-lularich-amazon/ https://totallythebomb.com/how-to-have-the-money-to-be-a-lularoe-consultant https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-02-01/lularoe-to-pay-475m-to-settle-pyramid-scheme-lawsuit https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/lularoe-pay-475-million-resolve-ag-ferguson-s-lawsuit-over-pyramid-scheme https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/09/22/con-artist-employment-scam-summit-woman-michigan-woman/

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• 2:46Speaker 00

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• 2:52Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right. Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall. And as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. And we're back for another installment of, yes, you guessed it, Scam Goddess, the show where we break down cons, robberies, and frauds, and all those who perform them. This is our theater. Guys, I'm very what? Yes, yes, I'm excited. I truly, like, I always say I'm excited, but y'all know I'm hyped. I'm gonna add a height to this one, okay? Because I'm so excited to get this guest. I love her podcast. And I've been so, oh, gosh, just stalking to get this. I'm just, oh, chomping at the bit. Today, we have podcasts. Host of My Favorite Murder and co-founder of the podcast network Exactly Right Media, Georgia Hardstark. Recently, Georgia's podcast network launched Waiting for Impact,

• 4:20Laci Mosley?

  a Dave Holmes passion project. Hey, Dave! It's a 10-part limited series where Dave tracks down the little-known boy band Sudden Impact, who was first introduced to us by the Boys to Men Motown Philly, Motown Philly music video, but then never seen again. Where did they go? Congregation, please welcome Georgia Hardstark.

• 4:39Speaker 06

  Lacey, it's so good you're here. I'm obsessed. I'm so excited to talk about this, my favorite topic, scamming.

• 4:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Oh, my gosh. And I just want to say, like, your, y'all's intro is also one of my favorites. People always comment on the intro of our podcast. I say our, like, it's not me, but my podcast.

• 4:58Speaker 06

  It's a congregation. I love it. It's a team effort. Yes.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  And legally, you always need a collective us to point back to, you know? I don't know who did that over there at my podcast.

• 5:10Speaker 06

  Must have been us.

• 5:11Laci Mosley?

  By us, us. I'm including everybody. Oh, but I love y'all's intro. It's so chill. It's like, my favorite. I'm like, ooh.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  I know Karen did it, and she liked it as a, like, first draft. And I was like, great, that's it. Let's do it. She was like, okay. It's so easy. It's how it turns out, right?

• 5:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Well, Georgia, I have to ask you, do you have a relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? What's your vibe with scams?

• 5:38Speaker 06

  As far as I know, thank goodness, I'm just an observer. I haven't been scammed. But the thing is, I'm really gullible. So I'm actually shocked. And maybe I just don't know that I've been scammed before. But I've definitely done the little things where like, I, there was one time where I, um, I applied for a job that I really, really needed and then came back and they were like, great, but you have to be in line with the Church of Scientology if you want this job. Little things like that, that I was like, okay, no. But I'm shocked.

• 6:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you said no? I would have said crazy, no.

• 6:11Speaker 06

  I guess I didn't need it as bad as I thought I did. But I, I'm really gullible. I'll buy all the things. I'll fucking do all of that stuff. So I'm actually shocked I haven't fallen for a scam yet.

• 6:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay. So your phone algorithm really listens to you. It's like, oh, girl, wait till you log on the app next time.

• 6:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. Okay, I'll buy the subscription. All right. You say that that's the best, like, vitamin C serum in the world. I'll buy it. Like, it's ridiculous.

• 6:37Laci Mosley?

  I'll rub them creams on my face. Listen, I will rub a cream. Okay? Any kind of cream. I'm like, it's gonna keep me moist. It's gonna keep me young.

• 6:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. Please, God. Yeah. And I, and I do, I'm like the, the scam maybe, or the cult of botox, the cult of fill it. Like, I'm just there. I'm there.

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  Why not? I love it. I, I split, I spend my evenings slathering myself in creams. So I'm right there with you. Whatever they say is gonna work. I'm like, yeah, put it in my veins. Where does it go?

• 7:04Speaker 06

  I don't care.

• 7:04Laci Mosley?

  Between my toe? It's gonna make my toe look younger. Y'all promise? Okay. Give it to me. I'm trying to get my WikiFeet up.

• 7:12Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  By the way, y'all, please, go give me five stars on WikiFeet, because your girl.

• 7:17Speaker 06

  That is my obsession. And my husband gets so upset with me because like, I post photos of, I have, my cats have an Instagram account, my puppy. And they're always sitting on my feet and looking adorable. And so I always post these photos. And he's like, you're, you're like, asking for it. And I have a WikiFeet.

• 7:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you definitely do.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  I don't know, man. Like, that's the one thing where I'm like, yeah, like, you know, I'm self-conscious about a lot of things, but I'm like, my feet are fucking cute. Like, that is the thing that I'm like, okay, it's a.

• 7:44Laci Mosley?

  You better have some popping toes.

• 7:46Speaker 06

  Right.

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  My feet are not cute. My feet are not cute. My feet look like I've been dancing in bricks, you know, uh, doing the cha-cha on glass.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I'm shocked that I have a decent score. It's like four and like a little sliver of the fifth, but y'all go run it up. Go, go tell them my feet are cute.

• 8:02Speaker 06

  I know. Everyone, five stars for Lacey in Georgia. Please, unwikiFeet.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 8:07Speaker 06

  Rate, review, subscribe to our WikiFeet.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. I guess I should tell you to do that to the podcast. Please also rate the podcast five stars. But also feet. But also feet.

• 8:16Speaker 06

  But more importantly.

• 8:17Laci Mosley?

  Feet. No, okay. So we, I love when we get a guest on that says that they're like a little gullible. Also know that that is a free advertisement to the congregation and they will try to rob you. Um, they try to rob me all the time.

• 8:29Speaker 06

  Is this where I give you my social security number?

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And your driver's license as a funny bit.

• 8:35Speaker 06

  It's hilarious.

• 8:36Laci Mosley?

  Sing it.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 8:38Laci Mosley?

  I just want to sing a song. Do you know your social security number? Can you sing that one?

• 8:41Speaker 06

  One, eight, seven, seven, cars for kids.

• 8:45Laci Mosley?

  Right. Cars for kids has always disturbed me. Why is there a K in front of the cars?

• 8:50Speaker 06

  We never need that.

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  And I never see the kids in the cars. Where the cars going?

• 8:56Speaker 06

  That's right. Give children cars.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  Give children cars. So, let's get into our first segment. This is called, What's Hot and Fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about a popping scam and the zeitgeist. And more often than not, we get a letter from one of y'all in the congregation. As always, snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired so we don't what? Yes, fuck up your bag. [email protected]. And I need a fake name, Georgia. We don't care about gender.

• 9:23Speaker 06

  Okay, uh, Skylar.

• 9:26Laci Mosley?

  Skylar. Ooh, I like that. I like Skylar. Goes with anything. Goes with anything. So Skylar, Skylar says, "I'm gay and grateful." Okay, amen. That's great. That's not how he wrote it, but that's how I'm gonna say it. "I'm gay and grateful. Amen."

• 9:44Laci Mosley?

  So I'm gay and grateful because today I did not get scammed, but an attempt was made. Oh, and then also some nice stuff. Oh, you're really sweet, Skylar. Okay, so on to the scam. Skylar says, "So, I was being a little thot today, minding my business on Grindr, talking to boys. When this beautiful man hit me up, he was hot, but not so hot that I was thinking he was out to get me." Okay, so medium hot, medium sexy.

• 10:10Speaker 06

  I get that when like a guy hits on you and he's so beautiful and you're like, "What are you doing?" That's me at least. Like, my self-esteem probably isn't high enough that I'm like, a like, model would hit on me? Is that terrible?

• 10:21Laci Mosley?

  No, no. Honestly, like, if you're too fine, that's too much. I gotta think about you're fine ass, leaving the house all the time and I throw those people throwing themselves at you. I like medium ugly.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  Like, I'm cute and quirky, but I'm not a model, and I am aware of that. So like, what are you? Yeah, not, not okay.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  It's hard, though. I once dated a really aggressively hot man, and he was dumb as a rock. Child, he thought Atlanta was the state. I'm not even playing.

• 10:46Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Listen, when you didn't struggle a little bit as a child because you had some awkward years and you don't, you never had to like build up your personality in your brain.

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. You didn't have to read books. You were sexy.

• 10:57Speaker 06

  Everyone gave you everything. Why would you try?

• 11:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. Why would you hide that sexy ass face behind a book? You gotta hold them up to your mystery.

• 11:05Speaker 06

  I mean, everyone just wants to see your face.

• 11:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, must be nice. So, so he's like, okay, he medium hot. He doesn't look like he trying to scam me, right? So, we chat for a few minutes and he sends me nudes. Okay, well, this is grinders. So, I know y'all really don't.

• 11:22Speaker 06

  I know. Yeah.

• 11:24Laci Mosley?

  I've been with people for years. They ain't getting a picture of my booty hole. That's reserved for Mark Zuckerberg.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  That's reserved for whoever has to fix my phone at the Genius Bar who gets to see the like tasteful nude. You know, it's not like a, like a nip, whatever.

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  I love that for you. I really don't send nudes. Uh, just because I remember this one guy who always wanted me to send him a nude. And so one time I took a picture of my face and then I drew a stick body on it with some big old titties in the boot. I was like, here you go. This is the closest you gonna get.

• 11:54Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah. I love like, I love the turning down of the nudes. Once in a while when I'm bored in bed and my husband's watching TV, I'll just send him a funny nip, like a funny one.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  That's spicy. I like that. Get the relationship spicy.

• 12:08Speaker 06

  And then I forget to delete it. Smart.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, then your phone is very not safe for work.

• 12:12Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 12:13Laci Mosley?

  Love it. Uh, it always comes up when you're like looking for something with friends and it's like, all right, hold on, hold on.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  Or my nephew, and then it's like, oh, nothing. Auntie George is fine. Don't worry.

• 12:23Laci Mosley?

  My nephew was like, Auntie George, you got games on your phone? And he opens it up. It's just one nipple.

• 12:30Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 12:32Laci Mosley?

  He wanted to play Roblox. Instead, he got some auntie nip. I mean, hey, it's natural. Free the nipple.

• 12:40Laci Mosley?

  So, he sends the nudes. At this point, I'm like, all in. When can we meet? He asked to see some more pics of me, so I sent him my high quality, finest naked photographs. Then he asked me for my number so we can exchange videos. Okay, well, damn, why don't I just meet up? At this point, you gonna send the whole porn over?

• 13:00Speaker 06

  Free porn? No.

• 13:01Laci Mosley?

  Right. They got a hub for that.

• 13:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:03Laci Mosley?

  So this is where it all went sideways. My phone lights up with 20 plus photos from him. So I open the messages, ready to see some ass. Nope. I so love the way you wrote this, Skylar.

• 13:16Speaker 06

  That's great. That's a great writer right there.

• 13:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. He went to my Instagram, linked on my grinder and screenshotted. Screenshot?

• 13:27Speaker 06

  Love it.

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  He screenshot all the people I follow.

• 13:32Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 13:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And was now sending me all the screenshots of those as well as screenshots of my nudes and our chats, threatening to message them all of this unless I send him $300.

• 13:47Speaker 06

  No. That's simple. Yeah. It's like that simple.

• 13:52Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, I don't, that's not how blackmail work. Like, I'll send you $300 now, then I'm gonna have to keep sending you $300 every time you feel like you wanna send him my booty hole to my cousin.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  That's what I've never understood is like, they still have it. And if you're willing to do 300, then you're probably willing to do more.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. I feel like this will become a regular occurrence, like, hey, if you don't want this booty hole, go to your auntie.

• 14:16Speaker 06

  Hey, I'm a couple bucks short rent this month. Remember how I own your life? So what happened? I have, like, this is my biggest nightmare. Like, not that I send out this kind of thing, but like,

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  What are you doing?

• 14:28Speaker 06

  Extorting you.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So it says, they didn't just want $300 in cash, but a $300 iTunes gift card. Now, now why you bringing Steve Jobs into this?

• 14:39Speaker 06

  It's like, you just, what is, yeah, you just need to download Motown Philly. Like, what are you, you need to come to singles? I don't understand.

• 14:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying to be ready for the new Rihanna album, whenever it drops.

• 14:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, I have nothing to work out to lately, so can you, oh my God.

• 14:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. I need some movies for the airplane. So either send me $300 in an iTunes gift card.

• 15:00Speaker 06

  I don't need cash.

• 15:02Laci Mosley?

  Right, right. So I was like, so the person said that I didn't have $300 to give. I was like, okay, this is messy. But one, I don't have $300 to give. Two, they were good nudes.

• 15:13Speaker 06

  Leak them.

• 15:14Laci Mosley?

  To get ahead of it.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  I did post on Instagram what was happening in case any of my friends got unsolicited nudes. The gag. A couple of people offered to send me money to see my nudes. So thanks scammer.

• 15:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. See, this is exactly what I always thought is like, get ahead of it. Post the fucking photo yourself. Make a joke about it. I'm like, who cares about it? It's a naked, like, everyone's trying to hook up. Everyone knows how hard it is, like, these days to hook up. No one's gonna judge you because you sent a nude or a video to someone you thought was hot. Like, who fucking cares?

• 15:50Laci Mosley?

  Especially if they were good tasting nudes.

• 15:52Speaker 06

  That's right. Like, who cares? Yeah.

• 15:56Laci Mosley?

  And this happens to celebrities when they hack their phones. Like, I've seen, you know, a few celebs, like, leak their own nudes because they're like, it's finna come out anyway.

• 16:03Speaker 06

  Totally. I, I, I just don't see the big deal about it.

• 16:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's just the body. I mean, I'm not trying to have my pussy on, on, on Beyonce's internet.

• 16:11Speaker 06

  Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I'm not, like, volunteering in any way.

• 16:16Laci Mosley?

  My mom will be on here. Yeah. She know how to get on the internet now, so I can't be having all that, but...

• 16:22Speaker 06

  And that's why you just need to make sure you have tasteful nudes, you know? Nothing you wouldn't want your grandma to see.

• 16:28Laci Mosley?

  And don't put your face in it.

• 16:30Speaker 06

  Oh, that's a great point.

• 16:31Laci Mosley?

  Or tattoos, any identifying markings. And you can easily go on Airbrush and wipe out a mole or something that would give it away to you.

• 16:38Speaker 06

  Oh, you're good. Yeah.

• 16:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 06

  It's like you've been doing this for a while.

• 16:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. I was like, I don't send nudes, but if I did.

• 16:45Speaker 06

  Right. You've heard it all.

• 16:48Laci Mosley?

  So he was like, all right, whatever, right? You, this scammer got me some coins. So he texted me from four different numbers for about 30 minutes before going silent. So clearly he had given up. He said he was going to ruin my life by sending them, but it's just my naked body and I'm not ashamed. And thankfully, I have no professional contacts on Instagram. Please let your LGBTQIA+ congregation know to be careful sending nudes on Grindr. People are messy out there. Thank you for the show. Oh, thank you. More nice stuff. Love you, Skylar.

• 17:18Speaker 06

  That is, that's a triumph story, you know?

• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 17:23Speaker 06

  That's like twists and turns and I, and like it comes out as a happy ending and like,

• 17:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm proud of him.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  And you're like, good enough that other people want your nudes. Like I, I applaud you.

• 17:34Laci Mosley?

  Skylar must be fine. Skylar must be fine. Because the girls weren't DMing him like, oh my God, Skylar, that's so tri- I'm so sorry going through this. They were like, okay, so is it gonna send them to me? Or should I, can I just pay to get them now?

• 17:45Speaker 06

  I feel, I feel like you've now found your next hookup in your friend group. Turns out you have friends that have crushes on you this whole time.

• 17:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. Or Skylar, get the OnlyFans poppin'. Clearly you got some fans.

• 17:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, do it. Oh, I'm such a champion for that.

• 18:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm so happy for him. This was a great ending, but I love that the scammer just gave up and didn't do the blackmail. Cause that's the thing about blackmail. Okay. So are you gonna do the blackmail? You're not gonna get no money. So you're just gonna do it to be mean?

• 18:12Speaker 06

  It's probably like you go sit all day and it's like worth a half an hour each. And if it's not gonna happen within a half an hour, move the fuck on. Or you're like, you're, you know, time is money.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 06

  It's diminishing returns.

• 18:24Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. This is his job. He's probably on there. He's like, all right, eight hours, long grinder.

• 18:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  Hitting everybody up.

• 18:31Speaker 06

  Oh, that's sad.

• 18:32Laci Mosley?

  And I will say that like, even though I think that this is a scam that could definitely work for anybody of any sexual orientation, you should all be very careful sending your nudes. There's something very particular about Grindr because it's a place where, you know, a lot of, mostly gay men get on. And gay men move different than the rest of us. Like they be like, all right, hi, how was your afternoon? Here's a pic of my hoe.

• 18:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's refreshing.

• 18:56Laci Mosley?

  It's real fast.

• 18:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I think that that, your point of take out any identifying features is like the way to do it. Cause I'm super not anti nudes. Honestly, like do your thing, but like take out identifying features. It's so smart. Like all they want is a dick pic. So.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And I'm not saying there aren't conservative, good Christian gays out there. I'm just saying the one, the people who be on Grindr be there to grind. They like, okay, it says you actually 27 feet away from me. Are you in an apartment next door?

• 19:26Speaker 06

  It's a little too far. So sorry now. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I love it.

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I love this for you, Skylar. I'm glad you didn't get scammed and you stuck to your guns. We always say this on this show, y'all, don't do the blackmail. Why? Cause once somebody blackmails you, guess what? They gonna keep blackmailing you. Now it's Black FedEx. They gonna be doing it every day.

• 19:47Speaker 06

  The post office is out at this point. And it's FedEx and you're fucked.

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  Right, you can black UPS, honey. They come in, what can brown do for you? What can black do for you? Blackmail.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  It's so scary out there.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's also like, how would you know? Because that's a typical conversation on that app. So you wouldn't even think like, oh, this is weird that they sent me news so fast. You just be like, hell, yeah, like, and they look good?

• 20:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, damn, I'm sorry. Sorry to that sexy man that she didn't get your blackmail. But I'm sure you got a few other people that day.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 04

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• 23:15Laci Mosley?

  It's time for my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwigs. Oh, Georgia, you just really brought some light to it. I had a long day at work, and I'm just so excited right now, to be with you.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  I'm so happy to be here. This is like...

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  To be with you on the internet.

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  The coolest topics, the coolest podcasts being around.

• 23:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes, thank you. Okay, guys, y'all have been DMing me, tweeting me, emailing me. I think I got a letter from the postman as well about this. You might have hit up my mama, damn. Okay, we're talking about Lou Loro. You wanted it, we got it. Leggings, pumpkin spice leggings for all, okay? So today, we're talking about iconic leggings company and Clothier. Caitlin?

• 24:05Speaker 06

  Clothier, is that a word?

• 24:08Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to my researcher, Kayla and Brad, Clothier. Am I even saying that right? Is it Clother? Clothier sounds funner. Clothier? Y'all will tell us.

• 24:19Speaker 06

  It's a fake. Whatever it is, it's fake and I don't buy it.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  And I love it. It's fancy. I'm gonna start saying that. Yeah, I got these for my Clothier.

• 24:28Laci Mosley?

  Can't get this shit everywhere, okay?

• 24:30Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. This is, I'm really excited about this because I don't know a lot about it. I don't know if it's, I feel like I have missed out on a lot of these multi-level marketing scams because I'm not friends with anyone I went to high school with because I hate the town I grew up in. So I laughed and was like, goodbye, like not even on Facebook. So I really don't get like, I don't get sold these things.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  Damn, not even on Facebook? Look, I let the girls from high school see me on Facebook and I have Instagram just post automatically.

• 24:57Speaker 06

  Just show.

• 24:58Laci Mosley?

  I was class president, so I had to throw the 10-year reunion. And while I thought of the reunion and child, I was so damn tired. I had went to Texas, looked at the video with my VP, also best friend, shout out to Shereen. Um, but then I didn't realize that when I booked my flight off Cheapo Air.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:14Laci Mosley?

  Dot com. They, I thought it was booked. I don't ever open flights when they come in the email because I'm like, I'll, I need to be able to find it later.

• 25:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:20Laci Mosley?

  So the night before, I'm packing my little bag to go down here and see the girls. And I realized the flight confirmation that I thought was a confirmation was actually Cheapo being like, oh, hey, girl, we actually don't got that flight no more. Your card wasn't charged.

• 25:33Speaker 06

  That is not an email. That is a phone call. I'm sorry.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, can you call? I feel like you can't be like confirmed and then you shoot me an email.

• 25:41Speaker 06

  Nobody opens their emails from the flight.

• 25:44Laci Mosley?

  That's like sending me a letter talking about, girl, your house is on fire. Like, I think you need to talk to me a little quicker than that.

• 25:49Speaker 06

  But see, you were popular, like in Texas too. I feel like you can be po-. I'm from Orange County and I, and I hated it. And so I don't talk to anyone from there anymore.

• 25:58Laci Mosley?

  The OC?

• 25:59Speaker 06

  The OC. I hate it.

• 26:01Laci Mosley?

  You don't talk to Lauren anymore?

• 26:02Speaker 06

  I don't talk to Elizabeth with a Z. I don't talk to Elizabeth with a S. I don't talk to Elizabeth with a, like, whatever. I don't.

• 26:09Laci Mosley?

  Elizabeth with a J. We don't know how it's silent.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Just don't worry about it. It fucking works. She's rich. So I don't know a lot about Lula. Lula.

• 26:18Laci Mosley?

  Lularoe.

• 26:19Speaker 06

  Yes, Lularoe.

• 26:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm excited. So, yes, I'm excited too, but yeah, that little tangent, like, so my high school friends, I was not popular in high school. I was powerful. Um, and there is a difference. I just ran everything, so that's why people knew me.

• 26:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  I was a prom queen. I was over there like getting the tiaras together and making sure the votes was in, you know?

• 26:41Speaker 06

  That's, that's way better.

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  But I said all that just to say the reunion thing because it's funny that you said like, okay, you don't fuck with the OC people. When I didn't make it to the reunion, my best friend Shereen put me on FaceTime to be like,

• 26:52Speaker 06

  You didn't make it?

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  To the thing you threw?

• 26:54Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 26:55Laci Mosley?

  No. And why did she put me on FaceTime if somebody from high school was in a bag talking shit about me? They're like, so she just planned this whole thing and she couldn't even bother to show up?

• 27:04Speaker 06

  Holy shit. Fuck that. Fucking high school. It's high school all over again. 10 years later.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. And now, and now I'm on TV a little bit, so they think I'm going Hollywood. I'm like, honey, no, we haven't. I just, I'm dumb enough that I didn't book a flight. I know, a little bit, a little bit. Georgia, I know you do. I'm sure your hometown be like, yeah, I know Georgia. We had fifth period together.

• 27:27Speaker 06

  I'm not gonna lie, every time I, like a girl, a lovely girl comes up to me in public and is like, I love your podcast. Every time I get giddy, because it does, it's like a cult. It's the best.

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  It is. It's also shocking to me because I probably get recognized more for my podcast than anything I've done on TV, which I'm always like, but y'all don't see me on there. But I guess I do.

• 27:46Speaker 06

  I know. Isn't it weird? But it's because they, they know you, like your personality.

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  And I love y'all. I love when y'all come up and say, what's up? So guys, to Lululele, because I know some of y'all are screaming at the AirPods or radio or however the fuck you listen to this. Like, bitch, if y'all don't get on with it.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  Yeah. Stop it. Get to it.

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  I read two sentences and then we went on like a 10 minute tangent. All right. Lululele, maybe I'll put an episode marker in here so y'all know where to start. No, I won't do that. You'll suffer. So.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  Do not skip. Do not skip the fucking pointless banter.

• 28:16Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's good. So here we go. So Lululele has been at the center of controversy for its business practices, product quality and inability to take responsibility for its wrongdoings. The company known for lavish employee cruises and star-studded conventions has been sued over 50 times since its founding. I'm surprised I haven't been sued more, to be quite honest.

• 28:41Speaker 06

  Not that many for a huge company, right?

• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  And click on that star. Studed conventions because I'm trying to see, I want Georgia to see what these leggings is giving because honey.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  Yes, please.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  They're giving Party City. They're giving Halloween. Oh, so this is actually a little video of one of the conventions. So I want you to see a little bit of this video of the convention because there's very much a cult like atmosphere. Like, why do they look like they about to do a concert? Is this about to be a Beyonce concert? Why are y'all on this stage with this lighting?

• 29:08Speaker 06

  She looks scared a little.

• 29:11Laci Mosley?

  So they also roped in celebrities and we'll get to more of that. But like, they would have these conventions and they would have celebrities come and perform. So I think Katy Perry came, Kelly Clarkson. If you're talking about middle America white women, oh, they, they got the right ones with Katy and Kelly.

• 29:29Speaker 06

  There was crying in the audience for sure.

• 29:34Speaker 06

  Everyone's singing along. Oh, my God.

• 29:40Speaker 06

  Money it probably takes to book that level is like ridiculous.

• 29:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think Katie was like five mil.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  Jesus. Okay. All right.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 29:51Speaker 06

  They're doing good. They're doing good.

• 29:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. My dream is to be booked on something that's run by scam artists. I'm like, my check cleared.

• 30:01Speaker 06

  Definitely does.

• 30:02Laci Mosley?

  And I will do it because I've done some shady bookings. Like, I remember one time I got paid a ridiculous amount of money for 20 minutes of work for a tech company to come in and play with a ruler that I needed to figure out how to open. That was it. And I thought, maybe I'm gonna get murdered when I go, or maybe they gonna pay me. And I still went.

• 30:21Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Yeah. Make, make the money. You know, my dad always says there's no shame in a paycheck. So please do.

• 30:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. Listen, get the coins. So, the beginning of the company. Lularoe is a wholesale clothing company known for their eccentrically patterned leggings and multi-level marketing operations. So the company was founded by Deanne Brady and her husband Mark Stidham in 2012. And it's named after their three grandchildren, Lucy, Lola, and Monroe. Those are good names.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  Those are cute. That's a cute. I like like naming your company after that. That's cute.

• 30:57Laci Mosley?

  Now, if your company's a scam, now you didn't brought your grandbabies in it. They, what they got, why are they in it? Why are they in it? Now, you saw those leggings, Georgia. Can we get those leggings back up? Because I need to assess.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  Like, I don't mind them. They're not. Stupid.

• 31:11Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so right now, we're looking at some leggings. I can't tell what's on these leggings. Is it cake? Is it a three-layer cake?

• 31:19Speaker 06

  It is like, yeah. They're very eighties. They're very like what we wore in the eighties.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then we got one that's like purple and pink and yellow and it's giving NASA logo.

• 31:30Speaker 06

  It is. Jazzercise NASA.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And then we got one that looks like it's got pink pizza on it. I don't know what that's supposed to be.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  I think those are cakes, stupid. It does look like pink pizza.

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Okay. And the girls are flexing. They got one leg out like bam, look at these leggings. You hoes could never.

• 31:51Laci Mosley?

  Or you could join us and never get out.

• 31:53Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 31:55Laci Mosley?

  The company that would become Lularoe in 2012, basically started when Deanne moved from buying clothing wholesale to sell at dress parties to designing her own maxi skirts. So she was going down to the Santee alleys or to, you know, wherever you can get your little hookups. You know, you can get your bootleg Kylie Jenner lip kit that will burn your mouth. She was going there and she went and I saw this in documentary and she was like, oh, these dresses are so cheap and they look just like the fancy ones from Macy's, you know? And so she was like, a light went off. She was like, I'm gonna buy a bunch of these.

• 32:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:34Laci Mosley?

  And I'm gonna start slanging them. I'm gonna start throwing some parties. I'm gonna have some accoutrement. I'm gonna have, you know, a little hors d'oeuvre for the girls and I'm gonna slang these dresses.

• 32:43Speaker 06

  A chocolate fountain and come buy some dresses for Oprah.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  And come buy some dresses. So this is how she did her toe. Then she started designing maxi skirts. Okay, so her maxi skirts immediately became popular with her friends prompting Deanne, or yeah, Deanne, to officially start her own business. So she started with a little maxi skirt. All you gotta do is connect one piece of fabric to the other. Bam, you got a skirt.

• 33:12Speaker 06

  It is the most simple garment you could probably create. I could do it and I don't know what I'm doing on the sewing machine.

• 33:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. It was like she started by making scarves. She cut out a piece of fabric and wrapped it around her neck. Very intricate.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  Very hard to do.

• 33:30Speaker 06

  Complicated.

• 33:31Laci Mosley?

  So in January 2013, Deanne and Mark filed for an LLC and eight months later opened their home office in Corona, California. According to one of Deanne's early dress party hosts, she was asked to join Lululemon immediately, but one of, this is a quote, "One of the many reasons I didn't want to join in the beginning was because Deanne seemed unorganized and honestly, a little unstable."

• 33:52Speaker 06

  Okay, well, it all comes, it all adds up. It all adds up. Also, can I fucking point out, Orange County, if Corona is in Orange County, if I'm not mistaken? So, this is all adding up to me.

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  So these are your homegirls, girl. If you stayed on Facebook, you could have some bomb leggings right now. By bomb, I mean they would just have bombs on them.

• 34:10Speaker 06

  Right, and I would be in debt, in massive, massive debt.

• 34:14Laci Mosley?

  You could have a skirt.

• 34:15Speaker 06

  I could have had a maxi skirt, a mini skirt, a midi skirt.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  Georgia, you played yourself. You could have been all types of skirts right now. What you doing?

• 34:24Speaker 06

  If only I'd been popular.

• 34:26Laci Mosley?

  So Deanne's son, Kenneth, was made VP of Sales. Her daughter, Amelia, was made Brand Ambassador. And Amelia's husband, Justin, was made Chief Marketing Officer. And Deanne's son, Jordan, was made Head of Leadership and Culture Development. To name a few of the family employees. So do you want to guess how much experience and training they had in any of this?

• 34:48Speaker 06

  I'm gonna guess zero.

• 34:52Laci Mosley?

  And also, you know it's a scam when you start putting your family on the payroll, because then it was who really can't say shit, because they got skin in the game. That's what Bernie Madoff did. He was like, "Hey, y'all, come work for my Ponzi." I mean, business.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Oh, no. This is just like, it's like, it's like 101 of how to set up a scam.

• 35:12Laci Mosley?

  Gotta, gotta keep it in the family.

• 35:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. And I, it's so funny, because we just finished watching The Righteous Gemstones for the second time, and it is like, all the exact same fucking stuff.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  Because family can't snitch, not in this capacity. If your check is tied to the crime.

• 35:28Speaker 06

  Right.

• 35:28Laci Mosley?

  Like, you can't snitch.

• 35:29Speaker 06

  You're part of it.

• 35:31Laci Mosley?

  You're part of it. So when Lularoe launched their trademark leggings in 2014, the company exploded.

• 35:38Speaker 06

  Why, why?

• 35:41Laci Mosley?

  At the time, the product was the company's biggest selling point. The leggings were comfortable, affordable, fit a wide variety of body types. It's like a mu mu for your legs.

• 35:52Speaker 06

  Alright.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  And it came in a near endless variety of patterns. Consultants purchased inventory directly from Lularoe at wholesale, meaning they owned the inventory and kept the profits. They then sell the clothes on Facebook Marketplace or at clothing parties. In March 2015, the company had 1,000 consultants, brought in by social media campaigns promising full-time income for part-time work. Come on, stay-at-home moms. Make a little mad money so you can leave your man.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  So, and the freedom to stay home with your children, yes. So by 2016, the company had over 60,000 consultants and were earning more than $1 billion in revenue.

• 36:39Speaker 06

  Wow, wow, on leggings.

• 36:41Laci Mosley?

  On leggings, bro. And like, this was a good time for leggings because this is when all of the girls, including myself, were in our pumpkin spice era. I believe I was in college and I was definitely, you know, giving a legging an a ugh.

• 36:56Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, those look good together.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, my first year of college, I dressed up for class and everybody thought I was so weird. I would wear heels to class. I was an insane person.

• 37:05Speaker 06

  You were like, this is my. This is my life and then.

• 37:08Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 37:09Speaker 06

  Then the dark side.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, sophomore season, I was like, oh nah, I'm about to be a swiss. I'm gonna roll out of bed 10 minutes before. I'm not taking a class if attendance is weighed into the grade.

• 37:21Speaker 06

  Absolutely not.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  So many of the early consultants were stay at home mothers making little income and were enamored with the possibility of changing their lives, selling clothes and being clothes airs.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  So becoming a consultant. Once Lularoe began taking on more consultants, they put a greater emphasis on recruitment, team building, and building current consultants downline.

• 37:49Speaker 06

  See, this is where it gets ugly and gross and sad.

• 37:53Laci Mosley?

  Downline.

• 37:54Speaker 06

  Yeah. This is where everyone gets fucked, I think.

• 38:02Laci Mosley?

  A downline, if you guys don't know, refers to members who have joined the program under the consultant, whose referrals and sales generate income for those in their upline or people above them. So in order to join the company, consultants had to pay the buy-in fee, which meant at the lowest, which was like basically the lowest tier, you had to purchase $5,000 to $6,000 worth of inventory at the minimum.

• 38:27Speaker 06

  That is so much money. Like that is your family, everyone giving you, you know, some startup fee. Like that is not a small chunk of change for like, you know, a housewife and fucking wherever the shit, you know? That makes me so sad.

• 38:43Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like five Gs, especially in middle America. Like you can do a lot with five Gs. So let's look at the initial order packages here. We got package one. Okay. So total of pieces, you get 290 pieces and it costs you $4,925.75. That's 75 cents is disrespectful. Like 75 cents bitch, what is that for? So initial order package two, you get 390 pieces and it's $6,678.50. Again with the change bitch, if y'all don't round this off. And then package three, if you really trying to get robbed.

• 39:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:24Laci Mosley?

  That is 515 laggots.

• 39:27Speaker 06

  It's almost like these packages are like, how many friends do you think you really have?

• 39:32Laci Mosley?

  Right. How popular are you?

• 39:34Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 39:35Laci Mosley?

  How many people can you rob? Are you a Libra? You should probably go with the 515.

• 39:40Speaker 06

  How much do you hate your friends and family and want them to hate you too?

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  A lot of friends.

• 39:44Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 39:45Laci Mosley?

  And then for the last, the, the least expensive package, for some reasons at the bit, the bottom, but it's 105 pieces and that's $2,000, $2,047 and 25 cents.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  That's an add-on, so you can't even do that.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's an add-on. Damn. So you gotta get that with the package number three.

• 40:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's no, there's nothing under like.

• 40:06Laci Mosley?

  We do it by Zodiac sign. They're like, are you a Gemini? You should start small.

• 40:09Speaker 06

  That's me.

• 40:12Speaker 06

  It would be like, you absolutely shouldn't do this. You're a homebody and a little agoraphobic and you kind of hate people. So I would go ahead.

• 40:19Laci Mosley?

  See, I'll start small. Leos, we already know y'all gonna go big.

• 40:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:25Laci Mosley?

  Cancers also need to start small. I'm a Cancer.

• 40:28Speaker 06

  If you're a Taurus, get the biggest package you can.

• 40:30Laci Mosley?

  Biggest package, because you got a lot of friends.

• 40:33Speaker 06

  That's right. Friends and you're a great talker, so.

• 40:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. And you're a good caretaker. People just buy them because they think you care about their legs.

• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  You know, like, yeah. I'll do the Lularoe Zodiac breakdown for you guys.

• 40:46Speaker 06

  I love it. I love it.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  Robbery.

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• 43:44Laci Mosley?

  So, in order to afford the onboarding packages, Lularoe and those in the consultants upline encouraged taking out loans, asking family members for money, taking out credit cards, and even slanging breast milk. What?

• 44:00Speaker 06

  I mean, go for it. That's if you can actually make money doing that.

• 44:05Speaker 06

  What if they're like, to everyone, even women who don't have babies, like, just sling that breast milk?

• 44:10Laci Mosley?

  All right. Right. Like, girl, why you letting that titty milk go to waste to the baby? Put him on Similac and slang that titty milk.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  Open your baby an LLC and start selling the milk. Oh, my God. This is so shit. It reminds me, honestly, it reminds me of when I was trying to plan my wedding and, you know, we paid for it ourselves. There's no money. And I'd call venues and one venue was like, it's this much money, which was so insane. And then I was like, okay, do you have anything lower? And they were like, well, we would suggest asking your family for money. And some people, like, don't tell me how to rip my family off for my fucking wedding. It was just such a scam. All right.

• 44:47Laci Mosley?

  Do we have any cheaper packages? No, but what we do suggest is that you hit up, have you thought about GoFundMe?

• 44:54Speaker 06

  We think your family's rich, like everyone else is, so go ask them for it.

• 44:59Laci Mosley?

  Girl, you had to sell that titty milk, okay? Catherine, you're still pumping? Your son's eight. Yeah, I need this money for Lularoe.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  I gotta pay back that add-on package. I really shouldn't have got that.

• 45:12Laci Mosley?

  Gotta sell this black market titty milk, okay? So, according to one woman, I was urged to stop paying my bills to invest in more inventory. I was urged to get rid of my television. I was urged to pawn my vehicle.

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  I said, girl, you ain't got nowhere to go, right? You selling these leggings? What do you need to drive to?

• 45:35Speaker 06

  That's right. That's right. Don't take your kids anywhere. Just stay home and sell leggings.

• 45:41Laci Mosley?

  Get them involved. I love an employed child. Tell them to slang them like limb leg is every sis.

• 45:46Speaker 06

  Those tiny hands, they can work real fast.

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, they can.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  You'd be surprised.

• 45:51Laci Mosley?

  So when ordering retailers could pick styles, but not prints, meaning they would be stuck with ugly unsellable prints that they could make up like a large percentage of their inventory. So basically you're ordering stuff, you don't know what you're gonna get. Their upline would encourage them to buy more inventory as a solution. So if you got a bag and then you opened it and it was all like poop leggings. You'd be like, I can't sell these poop leggings. I'm like, well, you need to buy another box, bitch. I don't know what you're doing. You better buy people where the scat play.

• 46:19Speaker 06

  Sell your car, sell your titty milk and get, and then maybe next time you'll get the cool ones.

• 46:25Laci Mosley?

  Right, girl. This is Lululemon. You only need one kidney. Figure it out.

• 46:32Laci Mosley?

  So, and, and, and that's a perfect part of the scam too, because you can't blame the company. Well, the company actually used this as a good part of their scam, which was like, people would be like, oh, I'm not selling these leggings because they're ugly. And they would be like, no, you're not selling leggings because you're ugly. Get out there and sell them leggings. And it's like, no, if your inventory is different from everybody else, it also impedes you calling up your other Lululemon homegirl and being like, girl, I'm not moving these leggings because you don't have the same product. So how are we gonna? It's not apples to apples. It's not like we're all selling Mary Kay and we all got the same creams.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  Right, right. And you blame it on the person selling when really you, you gave them a fucking shitty product. It's not their fault.

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  And that's what they would do. And they showed it on the documentary.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  Is like especially the husband, he would gaslight these poor women and be like, your inventory stale? No, you're stale. And that's a quote.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  No.

• 47:31Laci Mosley?

  They were stale.

• 47:33Speaker 06

  Oh, I hate him.

• 47:35Laci Mosley?

  He told these poor women they were stale. How are you gonna tell me?

• 47:39Speaker 06

  Oh my, and then like, what, that's the thing about these, like, once you're in it, you can't admit you were wrong and back out because you still owe your family money. Oh, my God.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  And you're in a cult. So you're also like selling yourself as like, oh, I'm popping, I'm my own business woman, girl boss. Like, you don't want to tell people like, I have a. I have a room for the leggings.

• 47:59Speaker 06

  Right. I got scammed. I got fucking scammed. You can't say that.

• 48:02Laci Mosley?

  Cause there's a little bit of shame sometimes in scams. So like, you don't want to tell people that you got Lula robbed.

• 48:09Laci Mosley?

  Going.

• 48:12Laci Mosley?

  So initially, Lularoe's compensation structure was order based, meaning the upline would make bonuses depending on how much inventory their downline ordered, not sold, right? Consultants would be forced in a vicious cycle of technically bringing in a lot of money, but then immediately spending it all on inventory. In 2016, Lularoe's heyday, the top 1% of Lularoe retailers made over $150,000 a month in bonuses, while the bottom 70% made zero.

• 48:41Speaker 06

  Yeah. Oh, that's a lot for like.

• 48:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. And they started encouraging the people who were consultants and you know, the clothiers.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  The actual, yeah.

• 48:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, don't focus as much on selling the leggings as getting more people to sell the leggings.

• 49:01Speaker 06

  That's where they're making the money.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then people are like, it's feeling like a scam. No, no, no, no, no. You're just making more people be able to live their dreams.

• 49:11Laci Mosley?

  After a $5,000 small investment.

• 49:13Speaker 06

  Right, right. Oh my God. Okay.

• 49:17Laci Mosley?

  And you know these leggings were cheap as hell. So it's like the return that Lularoe's getting.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  Three cents each, I bet you, like to make, right?

• 49:25Laci Mosley?

  Insane. Yeah. So in April 2017, or 2017, excuse me, Lularoe abruptly changed their compensation structure from being based on how much downline was buying to how much they were actually selling. So in 2017, the scam girls started to feel like, mm, it's giving MLM.

• 49:44Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 49:45Laci Mosley?

  And in the documentary, they have a video of the son or somebody who works at the company who's related to the parents. And he was like, okay, guys, we have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme. Like, he's saying that. So it was like, how do we change it so that it's not a Ponzi scheme? So I was like, bro, so y'all know.

• 50:02Speaker 06

  You should not have said that out loud, dude, like.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  And not on video.

• 50:06Speaker 06

  No, you're an idiot. If you said that out loud, you clearly are a scam.

• 50:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna be on 4K like, okay, so our current business model is crime.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  Right.

• 50:15Laci Mosley?

  So let's pitch around. Like who, how do we make it not crime? Judy Go.

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's not how you do this.

• 50:24Speaker 06

  No.

• 50:25Laci Mosley?

  So consultants that had previously made $3,000 a month in bonus checks suddenly made $500 to $1,500. On a larger scale, it meant losses of tens of thousands of dollars. Consultants began to leave the company en masse, dropping from $60,000 in 2017 to $37,000 or $35,000 by September 2018. Now, what I also have to say about this is like, remember, they started with a thousand consultants. A lot of people are selling on Facebook. They've risen to 60,000 consultants and we're talking mostly middle of America here. The market is saturated.

• 50:54Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  How opposed to sell leggings if everybody who comes to the legging party also slanging leggings?

• 50:58Speaker 06

  That's right. That's what, that's the problem with these things is that you get your family and friends involved and that means your family and friends don't need to buy it from you anymore. Right?

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 06

  It just doesn't work.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm just so confused as to how we all supposed to sell leggings when we all selling leggings.

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:15Laci Mosley?

  Who are we selling them to?

• 51:16Speaker 06

  Nobody else. There's no one, you can't go over to supermarkets to some random person and be like, do you want to buy leggings?

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm DMing people on Instagram, like, I got these leggings. They're like, I do too.

• 51:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:25Laci Mosley?

  Shit, shit. Alright, damn it. You know anybody who's not selling them?

• 51:31Speaker 06

  Oh my god. No, but I recruited everyone I know, so no.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  So in the same month, in an effort to stymie the hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of consultants, the company announced that they would offer 100% refunds and pay shipping for all unsold products should a consultant wish to leave the company.

• 51:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 51:50Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah, so this point they're like, girl, we'll buy them leggings back.

• 51:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  Like, we don't want to go to prison.

• 51:57Speaker 06

  Federal prison, so we'll go ahead.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's not cute.

• 51:59Speaker 06

  No. We now know.

• 52:02Laci Mosley?

  So Lululemon issued over $120 million in refunds and abruptly announced the end of the policy, September 2017, five months after it was announced to be a policy without a timeframe. So they said in the beginning, and I saw the documents, they were like, okay, we're gonna give the girls refunds. Y'all, we're a legitimate company and this is gonna last forever.

• 52:22Speaker 06

  Right.

• 52:23Laci Mosley?

  And then after $120 million, they're like, it's over, it's canceled, turn it off.

• 52:26Speaker 06

  Oops, oops, fuck, fuck, fuck.

• 52:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, no one actually knows how long forever is, so we've decided it's five months after we announce.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  Listen, time is lin- isn't linear, it's a flat circle, so this is the end.

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  You call, you call them, they start talking like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 52:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:45Laci Mosley?

  Alright, so listen, the thing about time is, okay, um. You gotta sundown, listen, okay, so this is Lularoe.

• 52:52Speaker 06

  In ancient times, there was.

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  Alright. Right, when we said no end date, we also meant, um.

• 52:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. It could end anytime.

• 53:02Speaker 06

  The thing about it.

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  You know, it's hard to say goodbye to yesterday, that's a song.

• 53:09Speaker 06

  There's a reason, it's a song, it's because it's true.

• 53:13Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, so anyway, I'ma hang up now, keep the leggings. So designers were being asked to make upwards of a hundred new prints a day, which resulted in stolen and poor quality prints. So we'll pull up one of these prints right now. So when I was watching the documentary, and this is something I love in a good documentary. Yes. So right now, you're looking at leggings that have the Leaning Tower of Pisa in the crotch area of a, a, a sistered woman, and it looks like, uh, her dick is hanging to the side.

• 53:44Speaker 06

  It sure does. It looks like a dick.

• 53:48Laci Mosley?

  Now, women can have penises, but I don't know if you want your penis on your pants.

• 53:53Speaker 06

  Are those hot dog leggings?

• 53:55Laci Mosley?

  They're hot dogs, and the, and the, the hot dogs are emanating from the vajayjay.

• 54:00Speaker 06

  They are, they sure, those are not well thought out, okay.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, this one makes my coochie look like a mandala.

• 54:08Speaker 06

  This looks, this is a theme, they've got a theme going of unwearable leggings.

• 54:13Laci Mosley?

  Right, it's, it's giving bullseye. It's giving here is the vagina.

• 54:18Speaker 06

  It's very problematic.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  And what's great about this documentary is that they interviewed one of the designers, and I love when they just let people talk and give them enough rope to hang themselves. And she was like, yeah, I told everybody on the team, like, you gotta change an original design 20% for illegally not to be copyright. So I was, I was just mine up 20%, change the color, move a pattern, but other people, they just got lazy and started just stealing from Google Images.

• 54:45Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  So she was like, I was ethical, I stole people's designs, and then I changed them a little bit.

• 54:51Speaker 06

  That's right, I can't, I did it enough that you can't blame me, however, I am a piece of shit.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  Everybody else was stealing, stealing. I was just like borrowing.

• 55:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, oh my god, I can't wait, I can't wait to watch this.

• 55:05Laci Mosley?

  And also another note about these cruises, because I saw this in the documentary is my favorite part. Uh, there was a black woman, only there's very few black people involved in the scam, because it was very much targeted towards like stay at home suburban white women.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:17Laci Mosley?

  And their circles. There's a black woman who had got pretty high up and was invited to go on the cruises. And she was like, yeah, I never went on those cruises because I couldn't be on a boat full of white people in the ocean. And I was like, yes, for someone's making sense.

• 55:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:33Laci Mosley?

  Also in the documentary, they talk about how, so the founders of this, Deanne and her husband, they're Mormon. They have 14 children.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  Holy.

• 55:41Laci Mosley?

  And two of them got married to each other.

• 55:44Speaker 06

  Wait, are you fucking kidding me?

• 55:47Laci Mosley?

  Now, that's no shade on Mormonism. These people are just weird themselves.

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Right.

• 55:51Laci Mosley?

  And they adopted children. So they were like, oh, well, they were adopted. So they not technically like brother and sister. He, he, he. Uh, but they got married. They got a baby. He, he, he. Like they pass over in the documentary, like it's nothing like, yeah, two of our kids got married anyways. Back to these leggings.

• 56:08Speaker 06

  What in the actual fuck are you? Like, I don't want to, I never kink shame. However, this is not a kink. That is incest. Like, what the fuck?

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  So I'm like, is like, are the siblings like, yeah, that's my nephew cousin? Or what would that be?

• 56:26Speaker 06

  Some sisters and brothers. Oh, my God.

• 56:29Laci Mosley?

  It's my nephew and also my brother?

• 56:31Speaker 06

  That's making my skin crawl. That's making, like, if that happened, there's some shady shit in the family already. You know what I mean? Like, you don't, that is not okay. And you're taught that's not okay from a very young age.

• 56:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 56:45Speaker 06

  You don't even need to be taught that, which means there's something going on in that family.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's giving, but also it's like, they have 14 kids. They run a whole crime business. Like, when did they have time to spend time with these kids? Like?

• 56:58Speaker 06

  No, yeah, they absolutely didn't.

• 57:00Laci Mosley?

  Guys, love is out there. You don't know. Could be your brother.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  Don't overlook, listen, when you're on Grindr and you accidentally swipe on your brother, it's okay.

• 57:11Laci Mosley?

  Has, have you thought about dating your brother, though?

• 57:13Speaker 06

  Are you asking me?

• 57:14Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying, don't.

• 57:15Speaker 06

  Oh. I was like, absolutely not.

• 57:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying, don't leave anything out.

• 57:21Laci Mosley?

  Love could be right there.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  Asher has been off the table since the day I was born and I am so okay with that.

• 57:29Laci Mosley?

  That's because you never gave him a chance, Georgia.

• 57:31Speaker 06

  I didn't. You're 100% right. Oh my God.

• 57:35Laci Mosley?

  That's all you. You could be looking at love right in the face. So complaints were also issued for paper thin garments that tore like tissue, moldy leggings that were shipped and sold soaking wet, or sun bleached shirts left out in loading yards. So this happened because Lularue started expanding really quickly and instead of like taking the time to make sure that they were doing things right, they ran out of room in their factories or their, you know, warehouse for the leggings. So they started putting them bitches outside.

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  And somebody was like, hey, Deanne, I think it's raining today. Oh, it'll be all right. They had cardboard, right? And there's some plastic in there? Wrong. People were getting wet, moldy leggings. And then when they got these leggings, they'd be like, huh, that's so weird. They were wet? Well, they would give them advice. They'd be like, okay, well, if you put it in the oven for a few minutes, it'll get rid of the stank on it and then you can slang it.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  Oh my God.

• 58:32Laci Mosley?

  So instead of even moldy leggings, they wouldn't let you return. They're like, are the leggings moldy or are you moldy, bitch?

• 58:40Laci Mosley?

  Maybe if you were selling faster, the leggings wouldn't have time to grow mold.

• 58:43Speaker 06

  That's right. Mold is really in these days. All the clothiers are fucking.

• 58:48Laci Mosley?

  All the clothiers love mold.

• 58:50Speaker 06

  Doing it. Yeah.

• 58:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. So continuing on. So from March to October 2017, six class action lawsuits were filed and they were filed on behalf of customers across the country claiming that Lularue was knowingly selling defective products to consultants and then refusing to refund them. Despite the overwhelming evidence and growing numbers of consultants filing complaints, Lularue denied selling defective products or refusing to issue refunds. Even though they did. So is it an MLM or a pyramid scheme? In October and November of 2017, six more class action lawsuits were filed, this time alleging Luther Road was running a pyramid scheme and cheating consultants out of thousands of clients. Pyramid schemes are a model based off of a promise of compensation for recruiting

• 59:34Laci Mosley?

  others into the program versus a model such as a multi-level marketing, which multi-level marketing's are pyramid schemes, but they get away with it because they're saying, "You're selling smoothies."

• 59:45Speaker 06

  Right.

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  "You're selling vitamins."

• 59:47Speaker 06

  You have to pretend that the focus is on selling something, not recruiting.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 59:52Speaker 06

  Bullshit, but at least you're like pretending or putting up a front.

• 59:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, but it's something that you can't really, you know, it's got that good legal gray area that we love.

• 1:00:02Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  Love a good legal gray area. So this is, you know, basically what their model is. Well-known MLMs include Amway, which people call Scamway, Avon, Herbalife, and DoTerra, if you like essential oils.

• 1:00:19Laci Mosley?

  And listen, I don't got scammed by some essential oils. Like, yeah, give me that mint. This is like nature's cocaine, just sniffing it, you're like, "Oh my wait."

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  I mean, isn't it a scam if you like it? You know what I mean?

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. I don't think it is. If you like it, I don't think it's a scam.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  If you buy it, yeah, I don't think it's a scam.

• 1:00:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. I, I, I agree. I agree. So MLMs are legal because they have value in their product, whereas pyramid schemes are illegal because they have no products to sell. One example presented in a 2019 lawsuit showed that $6 million was being made in bonuses, while at the same time, there was a negative $160,000 in retail profits. Even after the change in compensation structure, 1 million more was being made in bonuses than retail profit. Surprisingly, when the product is moldy and ugly, it's hard to sell.

• 1:01:04Speaker 06

  Hmm. Who'd have thunk?

• 1:01:06Laci Mosley?

  So lawsuits, November 29th, 2018, my dryer filed a lawsuit uh in Riverside Superior Court alleging that Lularoe owed them more than forty-eight million dollars in unpaid invoices, including to UPS, more than one million, a labeling company a hundred thousand, and a garment supplier for three million. So my dryer was the company who was cranking out these leggings.

• 1:01:25Speaker 06

  Oh wow.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  So Lularoe was like, run it up. And they were like, but you're not, you're not paying us.

• 1:01:30Speaker 06

  They're like, we'll get you, we'll get you.

• 1:01:32Laci Mosley?

  So the suit alleges that Lularoe ordered more product with the intention of defrauding my dryer, knowing with their declining revenue, they would be unable to pay for it. So they tried to get it on Lelway, they tried to get it on Klarno. Uh, on November 15th, 2019, Lularoe countersued my dryer for one billion dollars, accusing the company of engaging in systemic years-long scheme to defraud Lularoe by under-delivering and overcharging Lularoe for products. So they were like, you're suing us, we're suing you.

• 1:01:59Speaker 06

  They're just unrelenting.

• 1:02:02Laci Mosley?

  They know how to gaslight even in legalese.

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  Like, we're suing you because, um, uh, cause you know what you did.

• 1:02:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  When they filed a lawsuit, it just says they know what they did. But you have to write it down. No, they know.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Laci Mosley?

  They know.

• 1:02:20Speaker 06

  The eyes, with the emoji.

• 1:02:23Laci Mosley?

  And we're suing for one billion dollars, and Lil' Pinky next to the mouth, like, what? So the suit was settled for 4.75 million in February 2021. Since 2016, over 15 lawsuits have been filed, like we said before, by mid-2021, Lularoe is still in business and had slashed startup costs by 90% to attract new retailers. So they are still scamming to this day.

• 1:02:47Speaker 06

  I'm in, I'm in, let's do it.

• 1:02:49Laci Mosley?

  Many former consultants are still left in debt and poverty due to their time with Lularoe, and many have banded together in Facebook groups in attempts to seek justice.

• 1:02:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Laci Mosley?

  And I love this for them. I will say that in the documentary uh that I watched, there was a woman who sells Lularoe, and she was like, I love Lularoe, I'mma sell Lularoe till I die.

• 1:03:12Speaker 06

  Oh my god, still?

• 1:03:14Laci Mosley?

  I said, bitch, not till you die. You gonna be in the casket with some leggings on.

• 1:03:17Speaker 06

  Oh my god, you're the fucking...

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  With some pizza leggings.

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  Selling it to the nursing home people that you live with?

• 1:03:23Laci Mosley?

  She said, y'all, let me get some skulls on my burial leggings. She got nothing classy for a burial. Yes, well, she was dedicated. There were people who lost like their relationships because Lularoe also tried to get everybody involved. They'd be like, oh, retire your husband was one of their phrases. They'd be like, you know, you could sell so much in these leggings, you can retire your husband. They would bring the husbands to the retreats. They would ask them about their relationships. Like, it was a cult. They were really roping people in. And there was whole lifestyle, like your whole life, your whole lifestyle, your whole family, your friends. Like, it is a cult.

• 1:04:02Laci Mosley?

  And there was one disgruntled employee in the documentary who said that he couldn't forgive Kelly Clarkson for singing at a Lularoe event. Bring Kelly Clarkson into this? She got her money. Kelly is a nice girl from Texas. She just came, they paid her to sing, she came to sing. It wasn't her fault. He was like, I still can't listen to her music. I said, damn. Wow. Not since you've been gone, sending you into a dark place. It's time for scammer of the week. And this week, and this is where we talk about, you know, a scam that we love. Maybe we don't. Scam that we love, maybe we hate. We'll see. This week, we're talking about Carla Willbone of Chicago. Chicago, of Chicago.

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  She was looking for a job when she fell victim to a scam that was a daisy chain of other, I'm sorry, that was a daisy chain of other victims who were then unknowingly turned into accomplices. Seems like our girl Carla fell into a scam and then became an accomplice. So Carla had found a second job as a remote assistant to the CEO of a company called Hawkins Interior Design. Her boss immediately sent her a check for $2,800, asking her to deposit it into her own account and then take out $2,600 in money orders to pay some bills for him. Oh, girl. This is an old one. It is. Y'all, anytime somebody sends you a check for money upfront for work that you haven't done, or is like, hey, I don't have a bank account, can you deposit this $5,000?

• 1:05:27Laci Mosley?

  And then you can keep a little bit of it for yourself? I had a friend's dad that, because older people, it happens all the time, happened to him. So sad. And I hate it cuz the bank, if it's under a certain amount of money, they will be like, okay, girl, and now Bank of America will only clear you for $300, no matter how much you put in. They're like, girl, we don't, let's see if it clears.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  We know you're stupid and you might get hoodwinked, so we're gonna go ahead.

• 1:05:52Laci Mosley?

  We know your broke ass don't be depositing large sums of money. Where you get this? We gonna wait. We'll let you know if you can have it. But you know, some banks under a certain amount, they will let it clear. So by the time the check was discovered to be a fake by the bank, Carla had already sent money orders with the funds to an address in Michigan. Oh, honey. Also, this not how money work no more. If it's checks to send, he could've sent the damn check. He got time to mail you a check, but he got time to mail them a check.

• 1:06:23Speaker 06

  The thing is, just don't trust anyone. Don't trust anyone, ever, right?

• 1:06:28Laci Mosley?

  And why was he giving you $200 out of it? Like, you gotta think like, what's people's... To do nothing. No. So, that address turned out to belong to yet another woman, who has chosen to rename anonymous, whose online boyfriend of five years...

• 1:06:43Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 1:06:44Laci Mosley?

  All right, you had me an online boyfriend of five, online boy, online boyfriend.

• 1:06:49Speaker 06

  Those two words don't go together.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  None of them words should go together. Five years, online?

• 1:06:56Speaker 06

  You're getting catfished. No.

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, five years? I don't even wanna pretend to be nobody boyfriend or girlfriend for five years.

• 1:07:05Speaker 06

  Like, a real relationship for five years is almost impossible.

• 1:07:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. At this, what point does it become a real relationship? Cuz I feel like five years. It's like, oh, my God, man, this is, this bitch can't die. All right, hold on, I'll be with y'all in one second. Hey, baby, how are you holding up? Like, what are we doing?

• 1:07:23Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  So, a woman, whose online boyfriend of five years, had recently told her to expect a few shipments containing payments for paintings that he sold. Why he not mailing them to his house?

• 1:07:34Speaker 06

  Why a lot of things?

• 1:07:36Laci Mosley?

  So through the, so though the Michigan woman never met her boyfriend in person, only communicated via text, she was used to following his requests, believing that one day he might further their relationship. All right.

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  I've been ghosted. I've dealt with fuckboys and girls like I get but five years and you've only text this man and you're hoping.

• 1:08:01Speaker 06

  Why? I mean, that you just know, like, that sucks. That's sad. And you just don't want to admit it to yourself.

• 1:08:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you really should. Sometimes we have to admit things to ourselves.

• 1:08:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:12Laci Mosley?

  So this particular time, at his request, the Michigan woman forwarded the shipments to another address in hopes that they would be the funds that would allow him to return from Europe so that they could live together. Okay. So now he's in Europe, he's like, croissant, croissant. Yeah, sorry, girl. I'm in the patisserie. Um, like, what?

• 1:08:34Laci Mosley?

  Sorry about that noise, boo. So a few years prior to that, the boyfriend asked her to pay for his open heart surgery.

• 1:08:40Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  Girl.

• 1:08:43Speaker 06

  He.

• 1:08:43Laci Mosley?

  His open heart surgery?

• 1:08:45Speaker 06

  Oh, I hate him.

• 1:08:46Laci Mosley?

  And y'all just texted, I hate this man.

• 1:08:48Speaker 06

  I did.

• 1:08:49Laci Mosley?

  So it turns out that Carla's boss is the anonymous Michigan woman's boyfriend. So he running all types of scam. He was like, hey, boo. It turns out the triple bypass, they actually need to go in because they only did a double. So they gotta do one more. It's gonna be the same price.

• 1:09:04Speaker 06

  Right. And yeah, just no discounts, no discounts on them.

• 1:09:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I need it today. Otherwise, I'm gonna be dead. And then you gonna have a dead boyfriend. Is that what you want?

• 1:09:11Speaker 06

  Never, ever move forward and meet in person and stop.

• 1:09:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you want to kill me? If I'm dead, then we definitely not gonna meet. And you you know, when I see you, girl, ooh, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a munch on your vagina and I'm gonna take you to steak dinner, which somehow I can afford, even though I don't have healthcare.

• 1:09:29Speaker 06

  I promise, I promise.

• 1:09:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord, he was running all types of scams. Unfortunately, now both women are heartbroken and out thousands of dollars in a domino effect of scams. So I'm not gonna say that the woman who got a job that wasn't a real job is heartbroken, but you know, when you get robbed, that is sad. They're both sad.

• 1:09:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, it sucks. And you feel stupid too, probably, right?

• 1:09:51Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:09:52Speaker 06

  Like, it's humiliating.

• 1:09:54Laci Mosley?

  And how do you, five years, you weren't like, send me a picture, let's FaceTime? Like, we have all these-

• 1:10:00Speaker 06

  That's its own story altogether. Like, how-

• 1:10:03Laci Mosley?

  Girl, you need to go on Catfish and try to recoup some of these losses. Cause five years, that's too long.

• 1:10:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:09Laci Mosley?

  Well, alright guys, that brings us to the end of the show. And as always, Georgia, we ask on the show, where would you like to be found? What do you want people to find you?

• 1:10:18Speaker 06

  Oh, Instagram, at Hard Stark. And then I have a puppy kitten Instagram at, it's, oh shit, I don't even remember.

• 1:10:27Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, puppy and kitten.

• 1:10:29Speaker 06

  We got a puppy and kitten in the quarantine. It's Cookie and Moses.

• 1:10:34Laci Mosley?

  Cookie and Moses, yes, get into that. People, people love a good animal account.

• 1:10:39Speaker 06

  It's pretty cute. It's pretty cute.

• 1:10:42Laci Mosley?

  I never not like a post. I'm like, yes, this is a dog. I love this. Alright guys, and as always, niche on your friends and family, [email protected]. If you want to see all the photos of these beautiful coochie leggings, scamgoddesspod on all platforms. If you want to follow me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. As always, Black Play Sketch Show, all episodes streaming now on HBO Max. I Carley, first season, streaming on Paramount Plus. Watch my things and rate my feet and the show, five stars. Alright, guys, aggregation, stay Schemin.

• 1:11:18Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faes, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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