Ep. 782: Pearl Farming, Hinge Fishing Spots, and Worst Game Agency Logos | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Randall Williams, and Cory Calkins interview Josh Humbert of Kamoka Pearl about pearl farming in French Polynesia, get a fresh Rut Report from Mark Kenyon, share another round of Top 3s, and chat with Michael Burton about his unique brand of catfishing. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:54Speaker 03

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• 2:16Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's noon o'clock for our friends in Mitchell, South Dakota. Happy opening week of pheasant season to everyone there. On Thursday, October 23rd, and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host Spencer, joined today by Randall and Corey. On today's show, we'll interview Josh Humbert, a pearl farmer in one of the world's most remote places. Then we have a whitetail rut report from Mark Kenyon, followed by some top three lists. And finally, we'll interview Michael Burton about using dating apps to find fishing spots. But first, we want to remind you that the Blood Trails Podcast drops on October 30th on its own feed that's simply

• 2:57Speaker 04

  called Blood Trails. This is a new investigative podcast for Meat Eater, hosted by journalist Jordan Sillers. Each episode digs into true crime stories from the world of hunting and fishing, cases where the woods and the water became the backdrop for violence and mystery. From missing hunters deep in public land, to poachers turned killers, and fishing trips gone fatally wrong, Blood Trails uncovers the moments when outdoor life collides with homicide. Each story features original reporting, expert insight from detectives, and firsthand accounts from the people who were actually there. The trailer is out right now. You can go watch it on the Meat Eater Podcast YouTube channel. And again, the first episode drops October

• 3:38Speaker 04

  30th on the Blood Trails Podcast feed. Very excited for that show. Also, Randall has a plug for you now.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the, is it on the main Meat Eater YouTube?

• 3:51Speaker 06

  It is. It's as live as we are.

• 3:52Speaker 05

  On the main Meat Eater YouTube channel, there's a new video called "The Great Buffalo Bread Experiment." And this is sort of a high concept. It's essentially-

• 4:03Speaker 04

  High concept.

• 4:04Speaker 05

  High concept.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Like weed was involved?

• 4:06Speaker 05

  No, no, just, just, it's elevated content. It's for a sophisticated, discerning viewership.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:13Speaker 05

  Essentially, when we were researching both the Mountain Men audiobook and the Hyde Hunters audiobook, now available for purchase, shameless plug, we kept running into descriptions, and you run into descriptions of this substance in any sort of writing about the Great Plains in the early 19th century, a substance called depui, or depuier.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  How you spell that?

• 4:38Speaker 05

  P U I L L E S.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Um, and it's, and you get these very vivid descriptions of it. And essentially it's the cap of fat from a buffalo's shoulder. And they prepare it by frying it and then smoking it for a day. And they repeatedly, uh, say that it's a substitute for bread. So you're eating some meat, you eat this as your bread. And in fact, we have one account where he says it's superior to any bread that's ever been made. So Steve and I made this.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 5:12Speaker 05

  And subjected some folks in the office to a blind taste test. To, uh, decide once and for all whether this is in fact superior to any bread that's ever been made. So, uh, this video on the YouTube channel now, it's called the Great Buffalo Bread Experiment. And, uh, we found a, we, we got a buffalo, uh, from our friends at, at North Bridger Bison. And, uh, we cut off the requisite, uh, chunks of fat and we followed the, the instructions to a T. And you can see the results of that on YouTube now.

• 5:43Speaker 06

  Okay. So back in the day, they smoked these caps of fat in a dinema teepee?

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Uh, they used a, a teepee, an actual, uh, buffalo skin, buffalo hide teepee.

• 5:55Speaker 06

  I was wondering if it, if there was a subtle hint of smoked nylon or not.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  No, no, I, I don't think that was the problem.

• 6:02Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  Not to give too much away.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  Elevated content, only cool, interesting people.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you know, experimental, experimental culinary scene.

• 6:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, Caleb's asking Randall, if you have any, uh, wine and cheese recommendation to pair with this elevated content.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 6:14Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 6:16Speaker 07

  Um. Maybe some Depuy.

• 6:18Speaker 05

  I would say a tall boy of, uh, Mickey's. Uh, Mickey's, uh, malt liquor.

• 6:26Speaker 07

  Hmm, yes.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  And some string cheese.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  Or a can of cheese?

• 6:30Speaker 05

  That's what I got. Cheese it, Cheese Whiz, actually.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  Whiz.

• 6:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, Cheese Whiz. I used quite a bit of that, trying to get my dogs to take a shower with me the other day.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  We don't need any more on that.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, we'll get some of that in our next segment here.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Sure. Uh, so that video is live on YouTube right now and Blood Trails will be available next week. Alright, fellas, we've been in the field lately. Uh, let's, let's do some hunting recaps. This would make Yanni real happy.

• 6:55Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  Randall, what you been up to?

• 6:56Speaker 05

  Uh, well, last weekend, uh, my wife Sydney and I went antelope hunting out in eastern Montana. We did not have any antelope tags last year, so we were excited to get out there because it is our favorite, uh, wild game to eat. And so, uh...

• 7:12Speaker 04

  I feel like that's a hot take.

• 7:14Speaker 05

  Ah, I feel like the more people you talk to, I feel like it's more common than you'd think.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  Just a, just an antelope steak, super rare. Uh, I love it. Um, but Sydney shot this buck. We, uh, we had a slow day. The first day was super cold and windy and didn't see a lot of antelope on public land. And then, uh, we pulled into a spot, um, the next morning, Sydney glassed this buck from the truck. Um, and I, I ranged it with my rangefinder, uh, and with the Sig Binos, and you can drop a pin on where you range. So we dropped a pin on him about thirteen hundred yards out and then hopped into this draw and kinda circled all the way around and got up on the little knob that he was on and, uh, couldn't see him.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  And they had all bedded down. So we crawled around on our hands and knees for probably half an hour within two hundred yards of these antelope. Finally, she spotted him, uh, just his horns behind the sagebrush. And I was like, I had to tell, I had to ask her, like, point it out to me, point it out to me, because I couldn't see him. And then eventually I got him. We crawled around until we sort of had an angle and then waited for them to stand up and she ended up shooting that antelope at like a hundred yards. Um, which is super cool. And that was, she basically did everything on that hunt. Like she spotted the animal. She, once we got in on it, she, she found him again. She turned him up. And then, uh, I was like, do you want me to try to get him to stand up?

• 8:47Speaker 05

  You know, I'll clap my hands or something. And she's like, no, we'll wait, we'll wait. And, uh, then she stood up. So, other than sort of the navigating on Onyx, she did everything, which is really cool.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Hell yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  And, uh, yeah, that's the dogs. The dogs were waiting in the truck. And, uh, on to the next photo. Uh, and then I shot this one, uh, later that day. Uh, we spotted a buck real far away that looked, uh, like a dandy. And then, uh, dropped into a little draw and we ended up having to cross this muddy creek a couple of times. And eventually I said, we're a mile and a half away. Let's just get up on the flat and book it. And then jump back into the draw. So we don't have to cross this creek again. And as we got up onto the flat, uh, there's kind of a little roll in this guy and some does were bedded there. And I figured, uh, a bird in hand is, uh, whatever the saying is. So I shot this one. Yeah. And, uh, and we were close enough to the car that, uh, next slide, Phil.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  Sydney went and got the dogs while I began the processing work. And you can see there on Rosie, my most prized hound. Uh, she's got a little bit of, uh, antelope blood on her back because she likes to roll and things.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  And so that gets me to the cheese whiz that I was describing earlier in this episode. Uh, the dogs all needed a pretty serious bath afterwards. And, uh, and so.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  We about to see a picture of you in the shower?

• 10:08Speaker 05

  Nope, nope, nope. But you will see on the next slide, uh, we, this is, uh, that was our dinner when we got back is, uh.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  Two back straps from one of the antelope. Uh, Cal and Sam came over and we, uh, just pan fried them and we made a sauce called Cumberland sauce, which is like a classic. It's like a classic steak sauce. Uh, it's sort of a cranberry. It's almost like cranberry sauce, but it's like a drizzle glaze type thing. And it was quite tasty.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Yum. Very good.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Um, so yeah, it was a, uh, great start to the fall season and, uh, getting ready for some more here.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Good couple of days of antelope hunting. Just fantastic. Classic, uh, goat encounters.

• 10:47Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. Oh, and then the highlight probably was we were driving down a two track and, uh, Bumped a little covey of sage grouse.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  So there are probably about ten birds that looked like, you know, kickballs with feathers.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  And you still got that trivia question wrong yesterday. Or were they not greater sage grouse?

• 11:05Speaker 05

  No, they were, they were greater sage grouse.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  Oh, they're unbelievable. They're so big.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 05

  And they just bumped up and went about forty yards away and put down again. And then we, we sat there and took a bunch of video of them and, uh, super cool. I've seen a couple of them, just, you know, deer and antelope hunting.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  I don't think we got a conclusion to the cheese whiz thing.

• 11:26Speaker 05

  Well, it worked at first, but then they all got, they all got really mad when the water turned on.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Explain to me what happened. You put cheese whiz like on the shower door or what?

• 11:36Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, so we have like a walk-in shower with a glass door. And so I, I put a bunch of cheese whiz on the floor and then pushed them towards it. And they all attacked the cheese whiz and then I turned the water, I shut the door, turned the water on. But then cheese whiz isn't really soluble in water.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  So there was actually quite a bit of grout cleaning that was required afterwards. I don't recommend it. I'm working on a new solution, but we don't bathe our, our dogs regularly. So I don't have that programmed dial.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  Try whipped cream.

• 12:04Speaker 05

  That's a good one.

• 12:05Speaker 06

  It's easy cleanup.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yep.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  That's what I got.

• 12:09Speaker 04

  Country. Corey, what have you been up to?

• 12:11Speaker 06

  Man, I've had a very exciting fall, but, uh, exciting yet unsuccessful so far. Been, uh, chasing elk all September and a little bit into October. Lot of close encounters, trying to get a few buddies into elk, but, uh, haven't flung an arrow. And archery season has come and gone rifle, open, big game, general rifle opens this Saturday. So I'm excited.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  Two days from now.

• 12:33Speaker 06

  Give her hell with a rifle.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  You're gonna be out there.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  Yep. Got a few trips planned. Hopefully don't need to even go back out later in the season. I just have a deer and an elk tag in my pocket, so. Haven't drawn antelope in a few years, so.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  Well, that's because you're not putting in for the right units.

• 12:47Speaker 06

  Well, I also, yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  What are the odds you kill, uh, kill an elk this weekend?

• 12:51Speaker 06

  This weekend?

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Put a number on it.

• 12:52Speaker 06

  This weekend, pretty low.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 12:54Speaker 06

  Cause everybody and their mother. But it's more like four percent.

• 12:57Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 12:57Speaker 06

  Yeah. But as the season drags on and it gets colder and snowier, ask me in a couple of weeks.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  Have you ever killed one on a rifle opener?

• 13:05Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 13:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  In fact, my very first elk when I was thirteen.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 13:09Speaker 06

  Just in the right place at the right time. Caught him, I believe he was running away from other people.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:14Speaker 06

  So.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  And that is the advantage of opener. They're where they were. For opening morning, they're where they were the past week and then they're just all over the place.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, running somewhere else.

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Uh, last week I was in Idaho for a bit. I had a deer tag there for their opener. Um, I had read reports going into the hunt that the unit I was going to be in had EHD reports. Um, I'd seen things on Facebook about that part of the state having EHD. Um, but it's like at that point you have the tag. Um, there's no like refunding tag in Idaho like some other states have when, when this sort of thing happens. So I was like, I'm committed, I'm going and I went, uh, and it was, it was worse than I could have possibly imagined. Um, last year I had the same hunt and I saw, I think more deer on that hunt than my other like four hunts combined. It was, it was just like that plentiful with whitetails. Uh, this

• 14:06Speaker 04

  year on opening day, I saw zero live deer and found five dead ones. We've got a picture of one of them here, including two bucks that would have been no doubt shooters. This buck, he almost made it. He, he got out of velvet, meaning he survived into September. Um, the season opened in, in October there. Um, but he, he died of EHD at some point in that uh, month prior. And then I found it, you know, a couple does. This is like a textbook scene of EHD. Uh, when, when a deer has EHD, they only make it, I think it's like one or two days. Uh, in those final hours, they have a very high fever, uh, where they are just boiling from the inside. So they seek out water, uh, you know, hoping to feel better.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  And so you'll find deer that just die near water or in water. He were two does about 10 yards apart that had died in a, in a pond. Uh, and then I found another buck that would have been a shooter as well. This guy did not make it out of velvet though. So he died, uh, probably sometime in August because his antlers were fully formed. He didn't have like the hot dog points that those deer will have in, you know, June and July. Um, so he, he seemed to almost make it as well, but it was just a, a real bummer. I did have a consolation prize turkey. Uh, you can kill a hen there in the fall and I have zero turkey in the freezer. I was not going to pass up a hen. So I, uh, shotgunned that thing not too far from camp. And then when I got home, I also had an antelope tag in eastern Montana.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  Drove out there and, uh, killed a buck. And so he is in my freezer as well. That is just, uh, what I've been referring to as a copy and paste antelope. Um, that's the kind of buck that's just like copy and pasted all over the prairie in antelope country. He looks like every antelope.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  I call that an antelope that looks like an antelope.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Which is often my target.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  I think the three of us could bring all of our antelope skulls in here and mix them up and try to, you know, find out whose is whose and, and we'd, we'd be as successful as we would be blind is my guess. Uh, because that's just like, that's what an antelope buck looks like.

• 16:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  Still fun to hunt though. And especially coming out of my Idaho hunt where I saw zero deer on opening day. When you have an antelope tag, you're like just guaranteed to see antelope.

• 16:18Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  It's so refreshing that like, you know, you're going to see your target.

• 16:22Speaker 05

  It's a fun hunt and you can hunt all day. You're not like waking up at the crack of dawn. So.

• 16:28Speaker 06

  What a bummer in Idaho, though. I hear.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  It is a bummer. So there, there's like a few silver linings. Um, they quickly recover. It's not like CWD where once you have it, you just have it in most cases. Uh, those herds can, can bounce back in two to three years. Um, they also develop an immunity to EHD that lasts, what I've read is from like seven to 10 years. So that, that unit will be okay. Uh, the, the state will be fine, but I feel bad for obviously the deer, the, the hunters who are local to there. And then the biologists who have to deal with the deer and the hunters who are upset about the whole situation is just like no win. So.

• 17:01Speaker 06

  I believe there's a similar situation up in north central Montana happening.

• 17:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. And Ohio's got a EHD really bad right now.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. We, we had an Ohio or an EHD report from Kip Adams a few weeks ago, and I think Ohio was the low light of the whole report because they, they are dominating the rest of the country right now as far as EHD numbers go.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  All right. Let's get on the show and do our first interview.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Joining us on the line first is pearl farmer, Josh Humbert. He is the owner of Kamoka Pearl, which is located in one of the most remote places on earth. Josh, welcome to the show. Hey guys, uh, thank you for having me. It's, uh, exciting to be here. And we appreciate you waking up so early. Uh, can you tell us, uh, where you're speaking to us from today?

• 17:45Speaker 05

  So I'm actually speaking to you from, uh, my deck.

• 17:48Speaker 06

  In uh in Tahiti, uh we we have a home in uh in the town of Chopo where the the uh Olympics were. I was supposed to be uh at the farm for this, but um I've come to Tahiti uh a little bit early, um have some TT to do. Uh and I I uh I got bit by a shark uh last year.

• 18:07Speaker 05

  Oh wow.

• 18:07Speaker 06

  I'm still doing some of the some of the rehab stuff, but I I also had had pearls to bring and um. You know, the pearls I'm working on right now.

• 18:15Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 18:16Speaker 06

  Um so yeah, I just kinda got got my hands full and uh. And uh and so here I am, I'm not I'm not uh on on the uh the atoll, which is uh called Ahe and it's um. It's uh in the very northern uh the very northwest corner of the the Somaties, so um. Uh yeah, it's kind of the the the last the last atoll uh going north.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  Gotcha. And so what what is your family's connection to this place? How did you end up in that part of the world?

• 18:48Speaker 06

  So um we arrived there on a sailboat when I was two years old. Um. My parents uh built this sailboat in uh in in the the backyard of the house they're renting in uh in Torrance, California. Uh my my dad's French, my mom's American. And so they they built this this boat out of um basically like. Whatever they could find, you know, the uh it was basically made of um chicken wire and rebar and and and concrete.

• 19:15Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 19:17Speaker 06

  And uh they built this boat uh on complete shoestring budget. Um they didn't have any money at all. Uh my my dad actually pulled the coordinates from a wooden boat magazine. I don't know if anyone's familiar, but.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 19:29Speaker 06

  Um it was just just numbers, you know, just numbers on on a page and and uh. And he like whatever figured it all out and and together they they built this boat and and sailed away with um. With uh myself and my brother, who's three years older than me and and uh two cats, two dogs and and three hundred dollars, basically.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  And uh, and so we sailed down to uh, to Baja, uh, lived there for uh, almost two years. And then um, from there, went down to French Polynesia with the intent of going to Tahiti. Um, but we stopped in on this, this atoll uh, on the way and the, the locals took us in and, and um, really treat us like, like family. And so um, we kind of put roots down there and my, my dad uh, got to the, the sailboat and turned it into a, a sailing freezer, basically.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 20:21Speaker 06

  So that um, so that he could take the, the fish that the, that the locals would catch and uh.

• 20:29Speaker 05

  Hmm. Should pop back in a second.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Price for it.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Gotcha.

• 20:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, basically the, sorry, go ahead.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, for, for listeners who might not be familiar with French Polynesia, can you talk about just how remote we're, we're, you know, like place this on a globe relatively speaking? And how remote your, your atoll is from say Tahiti?

• 20:54Speaker 06

  Um, so we're about 200 miles north of Tahiti. Um, and uh, yeah, there we are. Cool. Okay, cool. You pulled on one of our videos. Um, yeah, so um, it's very remote. We're 3,500 miles from uh, from the west coast of uh, the US. Um, I actually sailed there last year with my dad. And uh, yeah, it took, it took a month to, to get there.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 21:22Speaker 06

  So yeah, it's, it's uh, it's, it's quite a ways out there.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Now, so you're, you're in the pearl farming business. Can you walk us through the basics of pearl farming? Uh, what does the process actually look like?

• 21:36Speaker 06

  So basically you, you have to collect your, your oyster when it's um, when it's still like in it, at its uh. Planktonic stage, basically, you you set out what we call collectors at a certain time of year and they they swim in, you know, they they start life as as swimming larva. And they they they seek out a good place to to uh to um to to colonize and they they grow up there. So once we, once we do that, the the oysters grow up basically and to a certain size that takes about uh almost three years to get them to to uh to the size in which you can do what you see here in the video, which is the the uh the implanting and the harvesting. Um, the first pearl takes about twelve months to to harvest.

• 22:21Speaker 06

  And that's what you see there. Um, so it's a, it's, it's quite a, it's quite a process. It's, it's a kind of a a labor of love. It's, it's a lot of work. It's, it's a lot of physical, physical labor. Um, but yeah, we, we love it.

• 22:36Speaker 05

  So who are your primary buyers? Are you selling to to consumers directly or jewelers or collectors? Or what's the structure of the the market there?

• 22:49Speaker 06

  Um, we sell to to people all around the world. I mean, we we probably sell more in the, in the US than than anywhere. Um, because that's kind of what our our marketing targets. Um, but we literally sell pearls to any country that's safe to to send stuff to. Um, so, yeah, I mean, the the primary market would would be the US, but that's probably because, you know, we we focus a a lot of our our ad spend on on uh on on the US market. Uh, you know, our our videos are all all in English and um and that's definitely like the the market that that we focus on most.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  Gotcha. I imagine that there's a sort of a romantic notion of pearl farming in in a tropical paradise here, but what are the day to day challenges of your operation?

• 23:40Speaker 06

  Um, the probably our biggest challenge would be just keeping our oysters safe. Um, we have to keep them safe from from fish. You can see in our, in our videos, um, you'll, you'll see the, the oysters hanging in, in these long baskets. And, um, basically the, the triggerfish, they're kind of our, our enemy number one. They're, they're, uh, they're really smart. And, um, I don't know if you guys know what triggerfish are, but it's a fish about, about 10 pounds or so, and it has a, uh, a jaw that's so powerful. I think the, the bite force is like 300 PSI.

• 24:13Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 24:14Speaker 06

  So they, they can, yeah, they can just rip through just about anything. Um, and they, they can break an oyster, uh, which is pretty impressive. Because you can take a hammer and it's hard to break an oyster. Like they have so much integrity like, uh, this way.

• 24:30Speaker 06

  Um, sorry, we got some.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  I thought I saw a wrist rocket.

• 24:36Speaker 06

  We go.

• 24:36Speaker 05

  What, what are we doing there? What just happened?

• 24:40Speaker 06

  There's a, there's roosters around and, uh, I keep, uh, I, I keep some, uh, some, some like shit pearls on hand.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  You might be the only man in the world that's loading his wrist rocket with pearls. This is fantastic.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, for those listening, Josh just loaded a slingshot and shot it during the interview at, uh, a rooster who was encroaching on his audio. Uh, good on you, Josh.

• 25:08Speaker 05

  So, so.

• 25:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  No, I was just saying that there's too many of them around and, uh, yeah, we, we need to do a, a little rooster call and, uh, have some, uh, a cool event. I don't know if you guys are.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  Uh, or except for not, but yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 05

  Um, so, so as far as like protecting your oysters, are you guys doing a lot of diving and, and, and fishing or spearfishing? I mean, what's the, what's that look like?

• 25:36Speaker 06

  Uh, so we, we do do a lot of spearfishing. Uh, that's basically how we, we feed ourselves. Um, we, you know, it's, it's remote and, and we, we do get stuff on a, like a, a, a weekly or, or every other week, um, uh, supply ship. But we definitely, we like to eat fish and we are, we are meat eaters. Um, more fish than, uh, than, uh, than land meat. But, um, but yeah, we eat fish. Every every single day and um um yeah, we we we uh we usually go spearfishing that that's kind of our our go to. Um and it's generally pretty safe. Like I said, I got I got bit last November. Um which I don't recommend.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. Was that was that a spearfishing encounter?

• 26:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I was uh I was spearfishing with friends and uh um the shark came straight up on me and and grabbed my my uh my my calf. And kind of like hold me down um and I I got a so we we we we put we we put two tourniquets on it. We we put the tourniquets right on the the peroneal nerve, which I don't know. Um if your audience knows not, but that that's the the big nerve that services your whole lower leg. And that's the one of the few places where you're not supposed to put a tourniquet.

• 26:56Speaker 06

  And and so my my whole lower leg was offline for uh for about uh three months.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, I wasn't sure if I if I'd walk again. It was a it was all pretty uh pretty scary, but I'm I'm walking now and I'm I'm pretty good for the most part. I'm back at about ninety percent. But um but yeah, I'm sorry, I did not mean to get derailed. We're talking about pearls.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, so it it's just, I mean, that's spearfishing, it's part of our life and and it's it's what we do. It's it's how we we we uh we feed ourselves. But as far as the oysters, they they um they they need to be kept safe from the from the triggerfish, from the the the uh the sea turtles. And um and the the big uh big leopard rays. And we do that by keeping them in in uh in baskets. Um and we we've actually had some really interesting developments with that uh recently. So for for years now, we we take our our fish to to shallow water where where there's our I'm sorry, we take our oysters to shallow water. Where there's lots of fish and um.

• 28:01Speaker 06

  And the fish come around and clean, clean all the, all the stuff that grows on them. And that's really cool because that's basically like, it's, it's a way to get the oysters clean and it's also a way to support our, our local ecology. Um, we've been doing that for, for thirty years now and there's more fish, more, more life in our area than, than anywhere in the whole, the whole at all. Um, and so that's been a real source of pride for us. Um, just to see that like our work can actually be um, regenerative to the, to the Laguna ecology. Um, but recently we've kind of uh, taken that to another level where um, we, we, we keep our oysters in zones that are relatively shallow.

• 28:45Speaker 06

  And um, the uh, um, we, what we, what everyone does, they, they close the basket so that, so the triggerfish can't get in and, and pull the oysters out. Um, but what, what we did, we kind of, kind of took a risk on it um, uh. About a year ago and we started opening the baskets and um, just like attaching the first, the first oyster was a little bit deeper down in, in the basket.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:10Speaker 06

  And um, the thinking is that if there was a little bit deeper down, the triggerfish can be able to pull them out and, and um, and it worked. And so it's basically like, uh, cut our, our labor by about fifty percent, which is uh, a lot, you know?

• 29:25Speaker 05

  Significant.

• 29:26Speaker 06

  Um, yeah, I'm sure a lot of your audience are, are farmers and I'm sure they could, they could really uh, uh, appreciate um, what, what that means. And it also um, uh, increased our, our productivity, basically the, the rate at which the oysters grow um, by about thirty percent. Um, which is massive. And uh, so anyway, yeah, it's, it's really exciting and, and um.

• 29:50Speaker 06

  Basically, consider all this stuff open source like we we want. Other people to be doing this like we're, you know, we we communicate on it through our our channel, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. Uh, YouTube, um. And the whole, you know, the best thing that we can do is share what we're doing with other people and hope that. That other farmers do it too, because the more the more farmers do this, the more the the Lagune Ecology um. Will prosper. Basically, the the number one fish that that cleans our oysters are are parrot fish. And um. And so by supporting the parrot fish, you're actually supporting uh the coral as well, um.

• 30:31Speaker 06

  What parrot fish do is they they they go around and they they graze on. I mean, they, you know, they they eat different things, but one thing that that they do is they they graze on uh. On on the the algae that grows on dead coral. So what that does is it it enables the coral to to keep growing like if if the coral gets colonized by algae, it it can't um. It can't, it can't grow, um. So when the the parrot fish come by and and clean it up, then then the the coral uh prospers. So basically, by supporting the, yeah, by supporting the parrot fish, we're supporting the the reef and the reef supports. This whole other, you know, there's all these other uh downstream effects from it. Um, and basically like.

• 31:14Speaker 06

  We basically figured this out like like I I I like to think in terms of of permaculture, um. You know, the the the first ten of of permaculture is that before you do anything, you you observe, you know, you you watch. And um. I just, I I had this moment years ago when we were, you know, a lot of years ago. I've been doing this for uh, yeah, thirty thirty some years now. Um, but I had this moment where we were, we we brought a bunch of oysters in, uh, that were dirty. Um, to the farm, to the the temporary platform that's there. And uh, we're, you know, we hung all the oysters in the morning and then throughout the morning, we we went through them and and cleaned them and. And uh, you know, it's really, it's really labor intensive, you're.

• 31:58Speaker 06

  You're scraping all this stuff off the oyster and you got like like stuff splattering in your face and stuff, some of the itches and. Things and it's just, it's it's not, it's not fun to work at all.

• 32:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 06

  And um. And then at noon, like we, you know, we stopped for lunch and then we went back out and we started working again. And I went to go get a string and I pulled it out of the water and I'm like. It's clean, you know, like

• 32:20Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 32:20Speaker 06

  And it was something that that we'd noticed before, but I I just have this this epiphany that's like this real, the classic aha moment where I was like, wait a minute, what are we doing? Like, what? Why are we scraping these oysters when the fish are there and and they're? They're ready and willing to do this work for us. And so from then on, we just kind of went all in with with the whole concept of fish cleaning and we built out all these uh all these uh structures underwater in uh shallow zones where there's lots of fish uh that were like, kind of like big like spider webs and we'd hang all the baskets from from uh from those platforms and the fish would come around and and uh and and clean them all up and then we'd take them back out to the line like a a couple of days later.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  Cool stuff.

• 33:03Speaker 06

  Um. And then so now like we're basically like took that idea and then and then went further with it by opening the baskets and it it's sounds so stupid like, oh, just open the baskets, but you know, like when when you lose so much uh money um from the from the predation of the fish, you you get really kind of shy of of doing uh things like that, so.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 33:27Speaker 06

  That's what we've been doing and and it's been working really well and and hopefully I'm not I'm not a not talking too much.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  No, that's great. Josh, you mentioned earlier uh that you run an Instagram and you do some some communication and outreach. If folks want to learn more about Kamoka Pearl and your work, where can they find you?

• 33:46Speaker 06

  Uh, just Kamoka Pearl, we're on all all socials. And um, yeah, just uh look us up anywhere. Um. Uh, we uh my uh son and I uh monitor all the all the socials. He he does most of the posting. Uh, and and I answer the comments and and respond to questions and stuff and so we're, you know, we're there, we're we're very easy to find and so if people reach out to us, um, most of the time we'll be able to respond uh unless we're in a place where we can't do that or like. Sometimes we have stuff that goes viral and and we just get inundated. I'm sure you guys know what that's like.

• 34:20Steven Rinella?

  Sure. Well, Josh, thank you for for waking up early again. I know it's early there and joining us on the show and sharing with folks about your world. We appreciate it. Great to meet you.

• 34:31Speaker 04

  Thanks, Josh.

• 34:32Speaker 06

  Awesome. Nice to meet you guys. Thank you very much.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 34:36Speaker 06

  No.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  What was that?

• 34:38Speaker 06

  That's how you say goodbye in Tahitian.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Oh, did you know that or did you Google it?

• 34:42Speaker 06

  I had time to Google it.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  It's a great contribution to the show, Corey. I'm glad you thought of doing that.

• 34:48Steven Rinella?

  Sharp, Corey.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  I want some of those pearls, dude, going around in a slingshot.

• 34:53Steven Rinella?

  I just, I want to see that. I just want to see that place.

• 34:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:57Steven Rinella?

  It sounds wild.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Sounds beautiful.

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• 37:19Speaker 04

  All right, next up, we have a rut report.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Here is Mark Kenyon with your whitetail update for this weekend. Take it away, Phil.

• 37:47Speaker 06

  Hey, guys. Mark Kenyon here with Wired to Hunt, and I'm coming at you with another one of our rut reports here for October 23rd. And I'm reporting from the windy, blustery, and quickly cooling cornfields of southern Michigan. What I'm experiencing here is something that many hunters across the country are, which is this cold front that's moving across the country. And that's good news for hunters because deer are definitely on their feet, getting a lot of reports of even daylight activity from mature bucks right now. So take advantage of this weather system if you can. I've also been getting reports of a couple early does coming into heat. This is earlier than usual for most parts of the country. I wouldn't expect that to be a trend, but it is something to just keep an eye out.

• 38:32Speaker 06

  You know, the rut is a bell curve. So there's a few that are going to come in.

• 38:35Speaker 07

  Heat early and then most come in that mid-November time period and then a few off in the back end too. So that's all beginning to rise right now. Scraping activity is peaking right now at this time of the year. So scrapes gonna have more daylight activity than at almost any other time of the year. So keep an eye on scrapes, keep an eye out for that early doe that maybe can get the bucks in your area really feeling ruddy. And otherwise, count on more daylight activity right now from your local deer than maybe you've seen over the last three weeks, but they will likely still be in their home turf, sticking relatively close to the patterns you've been observing over the last few weeks. So it's a great time to be in the woods. I wish you luck and I'll be back in two weeks for another rut report.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  That's a pretty good camo pattern for that cornfield. Blends right in.

• 39:22Speaker 06

  Dry earth. Yeah. Oh, maybe that's walnut. Either way, it looks good on you, Mark.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. Disappears.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  Feeling inspired after, uh, after Mark's little report there. I love this time of year because it's like, it is very good hunting right now, but the best is still yet to come. You've like got, you've got weeks of really good movement to look forward to and it's like just starting at this moment.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  That's just giving me goosebumps, just you hearing you say that.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, for the best up-to-date whitetail movement information, go listen to Rutt Fresh on the Wired to Hunt podcast feed. New episodes drop every week and have rut reports from hunters across the country. Also, Mark is really excited about his newest episode of Wired to Hunt. That's episode 963, featuring a deep dive into the lessons of Roger Rothar. Mark calls him the influencer of today's whitetail influencers. Again, that's episode 963 on the Wired to Hunt feed.

• 40:13Speaker 06

  And let's not forget about Whitetail EDU every Wednesday on the Meteor Clips channel.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Nice plug.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Mark and, uh, Tony make those.

• 40:21Speaker 06

  Mark, Tony and, uh, yep.

• 40:23Speaker 07

  What is it? Whitetail Week? What's going on?

• 40:25Speaker 04

  They're answering all the whitetail questions, uh, you didn't know you had and the ones you do have. All right. Our next segment is top threes.

• 40:32Speaker 07

  We're just hitting all the drops back to back.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  Good camera work by Phil as well.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, we make do with what we have in this room.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  All right, this week, we have all brought our own top three lists. Corey, start us off. What are you ranking today?

• 41:06Speaker 06

  Okay, I had a lot of help last evening with my beautiful wife, Sarah, after a couple glasses of wine. So this one's for you, honey. This is the top three hypocritical complaints hunters with families make in the fall.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Okay, very specific.

• 41:22Speaker 06

  Let's think about those honeydews or stuff your spouse may ask you to do in the fall. All the while, all you're thinking about is hunting.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  Mm hmm, sure.

• 41:30Speaker 06

  So number three, fall decorations.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 41:33Speaker 06

  That might annoy the crap out of some.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 41:36Speaker 06

  Uh, you know, some spouses might go a little over the top with fall decorations, but hunters are awfully hypocritical about it. Cause boy, they go decorate trees with stands and ladders and

• 41:47Speaker 04

  They do.

• 41:47Speaker 06

  Trail cameras gearing yourself up for your fall hunting season.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 06

  Kind of the same.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  I just, I just punt on Halloween and Thanksgiving and then we just go all in on Christmas.

• 41:58Speaker 06

  Oh, boy.

• 41:59Speaker 04

  That's an easy compromise for us.

• 42:00Speaker 05

  I just recommend living someplace where no one trick or treats at your house.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  Oh, that's so easy, though. Yeah, you just turn on the lights, put a bowl of candy.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  Not if you have three dogs.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Oh. That's probably why you moved.

• 42:13Speaker 05

  Kind of miserable, yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 06

  Well, number two, consumerism in the fall. So who else rolls their eyes when they hear any excitement about pumpkin spice lattes, flannel pajamas, scarves, holiday hallmark TV shows.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  Ugh. But we as hunters are fed the same outdoor gear commercials and we all could admit we buy unnecessary gear all the time.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  We watch silly videos about eating bison bread, stuff like that.

• 42:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, just consumed.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 42:42Speaker 06

  And number one, which I do have a photo for, uh, fall family photos.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 42:47Speaker 06

  That might get up in the way, but.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I was wondering how this one fit in.

• 42:50Speaker 06

  Us as hunters, we're out there with the grip and grins with the boys.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is like, uh, you know, probably 80% of my camera roll is just, uh, used up between October and December.

• 43:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was a photo of Spencer's awesome bull elk that he shot last year on opening day of rifle season with good buddies of his, including myself in the back. Uh, yeah, what a beautiful fall family portrait that would be.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  That's right. Imagine if it was you and your wife and kids there instead.

• 43:18Speaker 06

  Imagine.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  This is a...

• 43:19Speaker 07

  If this were, if this were a boy band, which one of you would be the hot one and which one of you would be the badass?

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Oh, we're all the hot badasses.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  I think the one that's totally washed out by the sun would be the one that got kicked out of the band. It's like a bad airbrushed job.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Oh, that's Ben. Sorry, Ben. You've been booted from the band.

• 43:35Speaker 06

  That was a fun day.

• 43:36Speaker 05

  Boy, this was a deep, this is a deep sort of top three.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 05

  Very sophisticated.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  I like, I like when we are specific and niche for things.

• 43:45Speaker 06

  Thanks, y'all.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Well done, Cory. All right, I am ranking the top three worst state game agency logos. If you listen to this show, you'll know that I did the three best a few months ago. Now I am going to do the three worst. There are 11 states who flat out have not tried with their logo. It'd be one thing if it was bad design, but it's not even that because these logos just simply have no design. It actually made me angry looking at these because the outdoors are so beautiful and aesthetic and inspiring and that should be represented in these logos, but it's not. They just simply have no personality at all. So let's see the list here. Number three, we start with number three, Phil?

• 44:26Speaker 07

  I just want to make sure because it was kind of confusing because usually when you, we have an order in the slideshow, you label it one, two, three, but for top threes, you want to start with three?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  Uh, let's start with three.

• 44:34Speaker 07

  Why don't you just tell me the state and make sure I got the right one?

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Number three is the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

• 44:42Speaker 07

  I'm just trying to clarify things. Did I sound angry? Was that rude of me?

• 44:46Speaker 05

  Nope, nope, nope.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Uh, Wisconsin's logo is not only really bad, but it's really weird. And it's not weird in a good way. It's got black land with blue water, clouds that don't really make sense. Uh, then it's got trees that are identical to your mouse cursor. Uh, and within those trees, there's a giant red W, which is the only thing that's even remotely Wisconsin about this logo. Uh, Wisconsin has the sixth most anglers, the fifth... With most hunters and no one is more proud of their big giant bucks, but you wouldn't know any of that by looking at this dreadful logo. They deserve something better than than this, which when I looked at this, it looks like the thumbnail for a Super Mario level to me. That's what I see.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  I mean, it's not at all reflective of the midwestern sensibility that I would expect from the Wisconsin DNR.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:35Speaker 05

  You know, I feel like I feel like Wisconsin is a state I so associate with some sort of traditional. Values, you know, the Aldo Leopold, right? Like, what are we doing here?

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, they just, they have so much to work with and they have used none of it. And and the giant red W, that's like even more Mario adjacent. That looks like a Wario logo to me. I just don't get what Wisconsin was doing.

• 46:02Speaker 05

  Get out my game, boy.

• 46:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:04Speaker 07

  Oh, no. That's my Mario.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  Thank you. All right. Number two is the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. This logo looks like the designer waited until 10 minutes before the deadline to even start because they couldn't have possibly put in any less effort. It's just text that says Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks in Times New Roman or something that looks like Times New Roman. And then they have some stars in their state motto. What's that state motto say, Phil?

• 46:33Speaker 05

  And Astra per Aspera.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  To the stars from the mud.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  To the stars through hardships. Very good. I think it can be interpreted.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, that's the that's the literal Latin. And it's also the tagline of Pall Mall cigarettes.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  Really? Did you smoke those?

• 46:51Speaker 05

  I've smoked a couple Pall Mall cigarettes, yes, and I always was tickled when I looked at a pack of Pall Mall.

• 46:56Speaker 07

  Because they take you to the stars.

• 46:57Speaker 05

  For Aspera.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  That is great marketing by them. I love that. Did it? Did it have the translation on the pack or did it just have the the Latin?

• 47:07Speaker 05

  I don't remember. Latin and English reads the same to me, so.

• 47:11Speaker 04

  That is some good barroom wisdom. You can drop it anybody.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  I can't believe I got to pull that one today.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Very nice. Now, Kansas is known for its bison, whitetails, its prairies. The world record flathead catfish was caught there, but instead of showing any of that cool stuff, they just have this sterile lame ass logo. Come on, Kansas. Such a such a disappointment. And number one is the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. New York has a Roundel logo, which just means that it's a circle like Target or Pepsi or Starbucks. Usually Roundels have less personality to begin with, but then New York's is just an absolute dud. It's got flat blue water, green mountains, and then a white sky that turns to a blue sky for some reason. If you remove the words New York Department of Environmental Conservation from this logo,

• 48:00Speaker 04

  you'd have no idea what it is. Now, I don't even think you would know the orientation of the logo. If it's like supposed to be upside down or sideways or what's going on.

• 48:08Speaker 07

  Like a bouncy ball you get out of a vending machine.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  There you go. That's just how ambiguous this is. New York has the finger legs, all kinds of game animals. Plus, they have the availability of all the aquatic creatures, whales, sharks, Atlantic sturgeon, and they ignore all of that for this sad depiction of nature. Shame on you, New York. You have so much potential for a badass logo, but instead you have the worst one in the country. And then I've got a bunch of honorable mentions here. Phil, let's pull those up. We have the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection. Their logo is awful, and they even did a redesign in 2022, and that's the best they could come up with. Illinois, Jaziro character, looks like the logo for a publishing agency or maybe an orange juice brand.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  I don't know. Just really terrible stuff. Indiana, their DNR logo is maybe the worst in the country. They do have a brand specifically for the Fish and Wildlife Management, and that does have a logo of a fish and a duck, but it still sucks. Iowa, no personality. I actually don't hate Iowa's. I kind of like the colors and the font, but it's still a bad, ugly logo. Michigan, bad logo, also a weird choice to include three Great Lakes in their logo, Superior, Michigan, and Huron. Even though the state touches a fourth Great Lake, Lake Erie, I'd be pissed if I was Lake Erie. You know what? I think Lake Erie is too good for Michigan. This logo tells me that they don't appreciate it enough,

• 49:35Speaker 04

  so I'm going to take Lake Erie away from Michigan and give it all to Ohio. They don't deserve it. They deserve better, because they can't even get shown in the logo with the other three Great Lakes that touch the state. Then we have North Carolina and Texas. These logos are similar. It's text only. Honestly, I don't hate them quite as much as the others. They look outdoorsy, at least. And then we have Minnesota. Terrible logo, created in 2016 as part of a statewide program. It's lame and boring, but I want to share this. I went to their Facebook page to see what people were saying when the logo change happened because these groups always have to change their profile picture. And when their profile picture change happened, there

• 50:17Speaker 04

  was only one single comment on that photo. Please show it, Phil. It was Jeff Dale. He asked three years ago, are hot dogs legal to use for ice fishing? And sadly, nobody has responded to Jeff. So if you know the answer for Jeff, please go to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources Facebook page. Look at the post from when they changed their profile picture in 2021 and let Jeff know if hot dogs are legal or not for ice fishing. Those are the three worst logos and then eight honorable mentions. And here's like, my suggestion to these 11 states. Hold a contest for a logo redesign. You could be open to the general public, could be for an arts program at a college, it could be a local school. States do this all the time with flag redesigns. That's how Minnesota

• 51:01Speaker 04

  and Alaska have wound up with two of the best state flags. You don't have to be like Oklahoma and pay an agency $100,000, which is what they did in 2022. There are cheap, even free alternatives that could fix this problem.

• 51:14Speaker 05

  Wow. Did you ever read the column on page two of ESPN.com called UniWatch?

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Um, I, I read it a little bit. I had less familiarity with that than when it became a Twitter account. Because they have great tweets covering all of the, the uniforms that happen in pro sports and amateur.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  This is very reminiscent of UniWatch.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  I like looking at these things. I like-

• 51:39Speaker 05

  Powerful emotions about something that most people don't think twice about.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Vexology is studying flag design. I really enjoy that as well. And I've always been disappointed that I've lived in states that usually have really crappy flags, like Montana's is just the state seal, which unless, if you're like, 16 inches away from it, you have no idea what you're looking at. So I'd love Montana if they would fix that state flag.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  All right, let's do our next top three. I think we are going to do who Phil next?

• 52:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it's my turn.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  Phil.

• 52:10Speaker 07

  Yep, yep. Again, well, not again, but I mean, again, I'm bringing something stupid and weird. But, you know, it's, it's, it's the holiday season, the spooky Halloween season. I'm wearing, I'm wearing my jack-o'-lantern sweater. Corey got mad at me for wearing it a week early.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Not mad.

• 52:29Speaker 07

  So I decided to make my top three list of horror villain, horror movie villains I would want to go hunting with.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Oh, great.

• 52:37Speaker 07

  This is coming from someone who can count the number of animals he's shot on one hand, but I think I can still bring a lot to the table.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  Okay, yes, thank you.

• 52:44Speaker 07

  So the first one that we have here is Sam from the, from Trick or Treat.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  Oh, not familiar.

• 52:50Speaker 07

  The horror anthology. Oh, he's, he's big at Spirit Halloween. Pros of Sam are that he's small.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  How small?

• 52:57Speaker 07

  Oh, he's a child. You know, I'd say like, like three and a half, four feet tall.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:02Speaker 07

  Hard, hard for wildlife to spot. He comes with Hunter's Orange already and a game bag, so he's prepared. Cons, his descent control might be a little difficult with the weird fleshy pumpkin head that's under his sack, which is not pictured here, but it's, it, I'm sure it smells terrible.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:17Speaker 07

  Number two, we have Freddy Krueger.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 07

  Pros, he brings his own set of knives.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 53:23Speaker 07

  Cons, he can only kill animals in their dreams, might be a problem, but it could be an interesting hunting trip, something new, a new experience for you. He may not be able to possess a gun because of the whole child predator and serial killer thing.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:37Speaker 07

  This one comes with an asterisk though, because

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Oh, he's never been convicted, has he?

• 53:40Speaker 07

  That's the thing. He was, he was killed by a vigilante mob before he was ever convicted. So there's no legal record of, of him not being able, like being, being, you know, convicted of a crime.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  And do both hands have the knives or is it just one hand?

• 53:56Speaker 07

  Spencer, you've put me on the spot here. I'm trying to picture it. I can't.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  I'm just like trying to logistically, can he draw a bow back?

• 54:02Speaker 05

  Well, I just know my friend, I just know my friend had a glove that had the knives on it and he only had one. It wasn't a set. But that might have just been because he lost it.

• 54:10Speaker 07

  Hmm, hold on, look at that. No, it's just one hand.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay, good. You can figure it out then.

• 54:15Speaker 07

  Yep, okay.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Number one.

• 54:16Speaker 07

  That's number.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  You have a hard time pulling a bow back.

• 54:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. Number one, we've got the Blair Witch. Um, the Blair Witch is not pictured here. That is one of her victims in Time Out. Pros, she remains completely unseen. She's never been seen. Uh, she's very familiar with the Maryland woods specifically. So this kind of, you know, you're, you're limited to a one geographical area.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 54:37Speaker 07

  Uh, but I think you can make a lot out of it. Uh, another pro, leaves crafts hanging from trees so you won't get lost. There's another asterisk here that didn't really help the, uh, the, the, the kids that were in the film. They got very lost. But I think that's, that's because she was being antagonistic towards them. I think if she were aligned, we had similar goals of trying to, to, to get a deer. I think it could help. Uh, another pro, has her own cabin.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Yep, that's true.

• 54:59Speaker 07

  It's, it's out there in the woods already. Con, uh, makes you face the wall while she does all the processing. Another asterisk here, maybe, I mean, that's, she's kind. She's, she's doing all the work, but you know, you kind of want to help out. Like she invited you along. She helped you get the deer. Um.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Phil, how old are you when that movie came out?

• 55:15Speaker 07

  Uh, that was 99, I believe. So I was eight.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  Was that impactful on you or was it not on your radar?

• 55:19Speaker 07

  I didn't see it until, until college. No, no, no.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  How about you, Rand? How old were you in, uh, 1999?

• 55:24Speaker 05

  99, I was 13 years old.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  Did you watch The Blair Witch Project?

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Uh, not until later. Uh, and it's a movie, it's a movie that I forgot about for decades. And then it popped onto my mental radar again a couple of years ago. And, uh, and I just thought, what a weird thing that was.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it like kind of crushed it. It was like very culturally relevant.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  People, people didn't know if it was real or not.

• 55:50Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, they, they marketed it that way. They shot it for like 12,000 bucks and it made tens of millions of bucks. I have, I do have some, some honorable mentions here.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 55:57Speaker 07

  Uh, we've got, uh, we've got Leatherface, just sheer enthusiasm from that guy. And he might, you know, he's, he's, he's got a lot of, um, experience skinning. Uh, Ember Cullen, not a, from a horror movie, not a villain either, but a vampire.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 07

  Uh, who is, who hunts, who kills deer and sucks deer blood because he's trying, he doesn't want to kill humans.

• 56:17Speaker 05

  Doesn't the werewolf guy in that one, the, you know, the, the?

• 56:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, Jacob.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, he, doesn't he kill a deer in that actually?

• 56:25Speaker 07

  I I've only seen the films once, like I I don't recall.

• 56:28Speaker 05

  To watch them a lot.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  They move incredibly fast.

• 56:30Speaker 07

  Oh, they're very fast.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  You blink and.

• 56:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, their skin's kind of sparkly, which might be a problem.

• 56:34Speaker 05

  Fast like my top three.

• 56:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, and then we've got, um. We've got Hannibal Lecter, probably not much of a hunter, but we've seen Anthony Hopkins' skills in The Edge. And so if he can, if any of those transfer over to any of his other characters.

• 56:47Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 56:48Speaker 07

  Uh, we've seen what, how, how quickly he can skin out a, what, what animal was that? Was it a bear?

• 56:52Speaker 05

  He's a great, he's a great cook, too.

• 56:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a thing. He'll be able to pair your game meat with the perfect wine.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 56:58Speaker 07

  Uh, anyway, those, that's my top three in honorable mentions.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Very good.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, fantastic.

• 57:02Speaker 07

  He likes that tiger meat.

• 57:04Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 57:05Speaker 07

  Raw.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Means it's raw. All right, uh, we have our last top three is from Randall. Randall, take it away.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Oh, well, I was gonna do a top three of top threes, uh, with my top three ideas for top three.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  For a peek behind the curtain, Randall was working on this, uh, at eleven, or excuse me, ten fifty-five.

• 57:21Speaker 07

  Very Cal, Brian Callahan coded.

• 57:24Speaker 05

  Yep, yep.

• 57:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  Um, I'm gonna go with my top three things to eat after I get out of the elk woods.

• 57:30Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, the way home. Uh, number three, and it could be higher, except for one complication. Number three is chicken wings.

• 57:38Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 57:39Speaker 05

  Uh, because you can eat as many as you want and not feel bad about it. And it's just a gluttonous experience. The catch is that you eat them with your hands. So if you've been successful hunting, you know, even, even one wash.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  After you cut up an elk, one hand wash isn't sufficient, so, um, you really, it's, it's only for the, the sort of consolation. Post hunt meal.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  Unsuccessful hunt.

• 58:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, but just a great, just a great food. You can sit there at the bar, watch the game, you know, and, and, uh, typically the spice encourages you to hydrate, uh, or imbibe.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  Can I guess one of your next two that you're gonna say?

• 58:19Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Is it gonna be a Taco Bell, like a Crunchwrap? Okay, well, you didn't have to say I was right. Go ahead, sorry.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  I thought you were gonna make a funny guess, not like poking holes in my battleship guess.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  No, go for it.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Number two is a burger and a beer, uh, just at a bar, uh, roadside tavern.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  Preferably not a chain, although you can get an iceberg at Chili's. Um.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  You, when have you ever walked into a Chili's after a hunt?

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Never?

• 58:49Speaker 05

  You're poking holes in all my bits.

• 58:52Speaker 04

  Sorry, sorry.

• 58:53Speaker 05

  I did, I, we did eat, I did eat at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Great Falls three times in a row during the hunt. Uh, three nights in a row. The guy was sweet.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  Were they like the usual by the time you came in?

• 59:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. The guy, the guy was, he wasn't from Great Falls, but he used to work at a Buffalo Wild Wings in New Jersey. And I was asking what happened to the buffalo chips and cheese. And he was so pissed. But then he, he sold us on a couple of menu items that we hadn't tried yet.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  What, what, what, uh, sauces do you get?

• 59:22Speaker 05

  Um, I typically just go for hot buffalo. Um, if I'm in a, if I'm in a sort of feeling bad about myself mood, it's typically like a, I guess a honey barbecue.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't know this could be emotion.

• 59:36Speaker 07

  Dee Gordon is asking for your, your preferred flat to drummy ratio. And yes, they use the term drummy.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  Fitty, fitty.

• 59:43Speaker 07

  Perfect.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  I would take all drummies.

• 59:45Speaker 07

  Oh, all flats.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  I like, I like the flats. I like to.

• 59:49Speaker 06

  I turn my flats into drummies.

• 59:52Speaker 05

  And number one is Taco Bell.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Um.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Who could have seen that coming?

• 59:56Speaker 05

  Taco Bell's great because it, it comes to you quickly. Uh, there's one right by my house on the way back from my elk hunting spots. Um, you can order in volume without feeling guilty or breaking the bank. And typically when I'm out in the woods, I'm sweating a lot and there's nothing better to put in your body when you're sweating than Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew in the original flavor or Baja Blast is one of, uh, nature's finest, uh, revitalizing substances. And, uh, you know, I've, I've developed a pretty serious habit back in my dex staining days. Uh, you know, you get a big 64 ounce from the convenience store, 64 ounce Mountain Dew on tap.

• 1:00:38Speaker 06

  Big gulps.

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, Big Gulps, but uh, I don't, they don't call them that at Speedway. But um, yeah, Taco Bell is just, you can't go wrong. I typically will order a Crunchwrap or two, couple of soft tacos, and then maybe like one of the value burritos.

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:00:54Speaker 07

  Randall, we talked, it's not like this show is going long or anything, but Randall, we talked about this briefly in Nashville of, of Mountain Dew Varietals.

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:02Speaker 07

  Uh, can we do a sub top three of Mountain Dew Varietals?

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  I bet Randall is not a purist. I would bet he's the, goes the other way on the spectrum and he's like making Mountain Dew suicides.

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  Hmm. No, no, I, I am, I am a purist.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  Oh wow.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  I think the original, the original, uh, the original mixture is, is the only Mountain Dew one should drink unless you're at a Taco Bell. You get Baja Blast. And I, really the only one that I can speak to is Code Red.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Um, but Phil is actually quite a connoisseur of Mountain Dew Varietals.

• 1:01:33Speaker 07

  Back, back in high school, I, I drank, I drank too much Mountain Dew. I've had to quit soda cold turkey because it was such a problem.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  When did that happen?

• 1:01:40Speaker 07

  Uh, in college.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:01:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. Um, I would say, uh, Baja Blast, number one. Original, number two. Number three, Mountain Dew Game Fuel, which was the licensed tie-in to Halo 3 when that came back, back in like 2009 or something. Whenever Halo 3 came out, 2007. Um, they, they stopped making it. They tried to turn it into an energy drink. It tasted like ass. And then they, they remade it with the original formula as just a normal soda a few years ago, but just as kind of like a limited release thing. And I bought, I bought a lot and I, I relapsed for a week.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:02:12Speaker 07

  But now.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  When did that happen?

• 1:02:13Speaker 07

  Uh, a year or two ago.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:15Speaker 07

  But, and it's like a cherry citrus flavor. Very good.

• 1:02:18Speaker 05

  I saw that Swamp Donkey, you wanted to know top three, uh, embarrassing hunting mistakes. And I will point out that one of my other top threes was, uh, most embarrassing moments in my fishing guide career. So we'll save that one for another day. Yeah.

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  My, my correct guess of your Taco Bell order was based on Randall and I had to host a company event a few years ago where we had to make a game for folks attending. And it was, it was all guessing based. You look at this elk shed and you guess its score. You lift this cooler and guess its weight. One of them was, we had, you guessed the calories of these three things. And one of them was like two smores. One of the, the things you had to guess the calories for was Randall's post hunt meal.

• 1:03:01Speaker 05

  I forgot about that.

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  And I told Randall, I said, Randall, really use your imagination here. What would you have after a hunt? And he selected two, two tall boy Coors banquets.

• 1:03:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  And I think a Crunchwrap Supreme with a couple packets of hot sauce.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  That was Randall's.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  Guilty as charged, guilty as charged. But I will point out that there were backup Crunchwrap Supremes in the fridge and I expensed them all and I took them all home.

• 1:03:26Speaker 07

  We've got people in the live chat sharing their Taco Bell orders with us. This is the best, this is the best time I've ever had, uh, running this show. I love reading this.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  Good, cause we're running late.

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  All right, we are going to wrap it up now with our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line next is Michael Burton. Michael has developed the most unique way in the country of finding new fishing spots. Michael, welcome to the show. Hello. Michael has gained hundreds of thousands of social media followers for his approach to getting people to tell him about their secret honey holes. Michael, explain to folks what you do. So I make, I make videos primarily on TikTok now. I used to make them on Instagram and by far my most successful series is catfishing people, stealing their fishing spots, and then ranking their fishing spots to see how well it does

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  compared to the other spots I've stolen from people. Yeah, it's great content. It is what got you on my radar, why we're talking to you today. So this fake, the fake account that you have, are those pictures of a girl you know? Or is this just a stranger?

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  So those are all real pictures of my girlfriend, Brooke. Oh. And yeah, I use this as kind of the introduction to the series. But whenever I make a new account, it is pretty much the same pictures. It is always the name B with the B emoji. And if you see somebody else asking for fishing spots, they probably We are a catfish, but it's not going to be me. Hmm. I know there's lots of other people doing this now. Okay, so in in your bio, I noticed it said some stuff like, what I enjoy doing, fishing. A goal of mine, catching my first steelhead. Uh, that is how Michael gets these guys to tell him his spots. Now, are you portraying someone who really loves fishing or someone who's new to fishing? Someone who wants to go on a fishing date? Like, tell us about this character you've created.

• 1:07:42Speaker 04

  So essentially, uh, I try to make it as obvious as possible that I am who I am, especially to people who have seen the content before. Hmm. And then when people match with me, I don't like string them along or get them invested in me as a person. I feel that's a little bit mean. Oh. I just straight up ask them like, tell me where you caught this fish. Fishing spots now. Whatever reason, that works really well for guys. Oh, okay. Some some desperate men out there holding fish on dating apps. Uh, for the locations guys give you, how often are they actual secret spots versus just community holes that everybody knows about? They're almost always community holes, uh, especially in the beginning when I wasn't famous for this.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  Uh, I get a lot of people who clearly just Googled fishing spots near Bend. And because that, if you look at the early content, it's a lot of like C tier spots. Uh, as I got a little bit better at catfishing, people, people would occasionally give me like less well-known spots. But again, it it's spots you could easily find on Google. It's very rare I get a suggestion that's like an actually good suggestion that I haven't known about prior. Okay, uh, so tell us about some of the highlights, the best days of fishing you've had, thanks to Hinge.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Awesome. So I like it when I match with a fan and they prank me. Like they pretend to be somebody who is like falling for the scam and then they send me somewhere. So probably the funniest prank spot I've been sent to is it looks like it. It's this lake that's gonna be super good on Google Earth. You know, it's off Elk Lake. It's nice and secluded. But it's where the cormorants nest or cormorants, I forget how you pronounce it. So there's no fish in the lake, like at all. Yeah, that's fun. Exactly. So because there's like

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  literally hundreds of fishing birds, there's absolutely no fish. They're squawking the whole time and yelling and just pooping in the water. Absolutely disgusting. So I brought my brother thinking it would be like a fire secret spot. And no, we just got pranked hard. Okay, what about like real good days of fishing though that you've had? What about some like highlights that you've had? Yeah, so the best spot I've been recommended was also a prank. Somebody found these giant cliffs along the Deschutes River. Where there's just like no way to get down. And they said, oh, this is the spot. And I'm a rock climber. So I'm like, okay, giant cliffs. Let's go. So I get down to the river and I caught close to thirty fish in an hour.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  Because nobody has been there before. And that's actually now like my go to spot. Whenever I want brown trout. I'll just stop at that specific spot on the way home, throw on a rainbow rapala, catch like five brown trout that are keeper size. And then just climb back out and have dinner. Wonderful. How about lowlights besides the the cormorant lake? Where have you wound up where the fishing was just dreadful? There's actually been a lot of spots I've been to, especially on the coast where I'm not familiar with. Where it looks really good on Google and then you get there and it's just kelp, like kelp all around. You can't throw a high low rig anywhere because it's just gonna get stuck.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  You can't use a jig because it's just gonna get stuck. And like, whenever I get to these spots, I know like I've been got and I just wasted a couple hours of driving and then I'll try to find a nearby spot so I can actually make a video. Those spots tend Not to make it into the series because I don't want to post a video where it's just like, yeah, I got screwed over by Kel for two hours straight. I notice in all your videos, you say that you use Hinge. Why Hinge over the other dating apps like Tinder or Bumble? Yeah, so Hinge has the benefit where people can match with you and send you a message. And as the girl, you can read the message. So the vast majority of matches I get with people

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  are not fisherman. They're just random people. They like, hey, nice jacket. Or they'll just send you a like with no context. Hmm. And if I had to sift through all of those matches, it would be borderline impossible. I would also have to swipe right on pretty much everybody, which would be a big red flag in the system and I'd get banned a lot faster. Oh, wow. Like, I still get banned all the time, but I assume if I was on Tinder, just like mashing right with every single person, my accounts would only last like a day or two. Okay, a lot of strategy I didn't suspect there. Now, you've done this experiment in Oregon and Hawaii. How did men in those two states differ when it comes to telling you about fishing spots? Um, in Hawaii, I didn't really get any good fishing spots. I don't know if it's

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  because at that point, my series had like, not to brag, but like millions of views and people just knew about me. But people would just tell me to go to like the same exact spot on Waikiki, which is where all the tourists hang out. Hmm. And then in Oregon, I would get, I assume, quite a few real suggestions of like actual fishing spots. Okay. Now, by this point, you have seen thousands of dating profiles of guys. Tell us about some of the trends you've noticed with fishing pictures on dating apps. Uh, everybody has the same pose with the fish where they hold it out slightly in front of them and they're smiling behind it. I don't know if that's a good strategy or a bad.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  Strategy, but I've also seen like some really creative pictures of people posing with fish. And again, I'm not a girl. I can't say like, what is sexier or more attractive or what works better. But those people who like, you know, are standing somewhere cool with a fish, like a fish in their hand. And you can see the fish relative to the person's body and they're smiling like, you know, to me that is like, oh, this person actually knows where to fish. Let me go match with them and see if I can get that spot. Okay. How, how is the catfishing been today? Have you been on hinge yet this morning? Uh, I'm currently between accounts. The last time I made an account, it was almost entirely fans of the show trying to prank me.

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  I don't know if I have to retire the series or just keep it going as like an inside joke. I still have a list of approximately 150 spots I've catfished prior that I need to get through. So I can at least keep the series going for another year or two, but I am looking at like, you know, alternative like heel content where I'm slightly the bad guy, but I'm not being mean to anybody. And, you know, again, focused on like fishing and outdoorsy stuff. Wonderful. Okay. I'm very excited for season two. Uh, if people want to see your hinge catfishing and other fishing content, where should they go to do that? So I'm on Tik Tok only right now. I'm central dot Oregon dot fishing.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  I would encourage people not to follow the account unless you actually like the content because I have a very odd sense of humor. Really? Yeah, I'd rather have people who actually appreciate that sense of humor and like watch the whole videos. As opposed to people who just follow me for support and then don't watch the videos and kind of ruin the algorithm for me. Uh, it's very good stuff, Michael. I like watching your content. Uh, I think folks will enjoy seeing your videos. Very creative edits, very creative series. Uh, thanks for joining us and good luck on the dating apps. All right. Thank you for having me. I know.

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  Hmm. I'm speechless.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  I wonder how we would do another part of the country. I feel like Oregon. I don't know, Phil, you're from that part of the world.

• 1:15:21Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, Phil, you're used to catfishing people online. What do you think?

• 1:15:24Speaker 07

  One of my favorite pastimes. I mean, Central Oregon's an incredible place. So there'd be plenty of opportunities down there, I would guess. But again, I'm not much of a fisherman, so couldn't speak to that.

• 1:15:36Speaker 06

  Okay. I feel like you do really well around here, because nobody's from here. And everybody's already ruined their friend's spot. You know, everybody's always open to sharing all their hotspots.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  I'm surprised I didn't know about this, because one of my favorite TV shows of all time was To Catch a Predator.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say.

• 1:15:55Speaker 07

  I have a picture with Chris Hansen.

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:15:57Speaker 07

  Yeah. I met him. He signed a book for me.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  What was the occasion?

• 1:16:01Speaker 07

  Oh, I was, my best friend was the ASB president and he was doing something with our school. So he was like, we had sort of a, we would watch To Catch a Predator together. He's like, Chris Hansen's coming. I can get you in. So yeah, it was, it was good.

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  Why don't you have a seat, Phil?

• 1:16:16Speaker 07

  I got a six pack of MyCards that need to be.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna say your favorite show was, was it Catfish with Neat? What's the MTV show?

• 1:16:24Speaker 05

  It was Catfish.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Or Cheaters. Cheaters, the old, was that HBO?

• 1:16:28Speaker 05

  I love Cheaters.

• 1:16:30Speaker 04

  The host of that show got stabbed, I think, on a boat.

• 1:16:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  What a good tie-in for this show. Wow, we did it. All right, that brings us to the end of the episode. Phil, let's get some feedback from the chat.

• 1:16:39Speaker 07

  Uh, we've had a very active chat, but not a lot of questions. I think people are enjoying the show. But like, a very popular one has been gas cans. Is Spencer going to reveal the gas cans this week?

• 1:16:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, not this week, but it's coming. I'm still going through all the emails. Very passionate folks wrote in about their favorite gas cans. There are, I think, two that stand out above the rest. So I will get listeners that list very soon.

• 1:17:03Speaker 06

  I'll be waiting.

• 1:17:04Speaker 07

  Mike is wondering, Randall, have you ever read the book The Long Rifle? By Stuart Edward White.

• 1:17:10Speaker 05

  I don't think that I have, and I can't answer for Steve. But I'll check it out.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Steve hasn't, no.

• 1:17:15Speaker 05

  Well, actually, one of my other top threes was gonna be best books about shooting.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  Oh, very good.

• 1:17:22Speaker 07

  Uh, Mike also has another question that might be dumb. Um, I don't know.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  Don't say that about Mike, he's listening.

• 1:17:26Speaker 07

  I'm saying this about me, because I'm dumb and I don't know if this is a good question or not. Why do I always see, or what do I always see in the Meat Eater videos on the gun muzzles to protect them? Like a muzzle condom or electrical tape?

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Hmm. Uh, sometimes it's maybe literally a condom that folks will put on there. And what's that doing, Randall?

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  Uh, it's keeping debris and moisture out of your barrel. Um, I typically use electrical tape.

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  But then I was reading.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  Uh-oh. I don't like where this is going, because I've always been to the impression that that does nothing for your ballistics.

• 1:17:57Speaker 05

  Oh, no, it doesn't.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  But if you're using a high-volume suppressor, like a suppressor that that can catch a lot of gas, uh, there is the potential for complications using the electrical tape method.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  Because your bullet, if enough gas goes into your suppressor, by the time that bullet is at your muzzle, it could, but I, I don't know, but it's just got me second guessing myself a little bit.

• 1:18:24Speaker 06

  Well, if you're, if you have a suppressor, make sure you get the FHF suppressor cover.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:18:29Speaker 06

  It'll keep the debris out.

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:18:32Speaker 07

  Uh, next, we have a question from Mogor.

• 1:18:36Speaker 06

  Hey!

• 1:18:37Speaker 07

  Explain to a European guy how long it takes you to get to work. Apparently Randall lives way out in the middle of nowhere too.

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:18:43Speaker 06

  Way out.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  Well, I also.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  What's the commute like, Randall?

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  Uh, 38 minutes if, uh, things are good.

• 1:18:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, 38. Well, because my, my truck knows where I'm going, so it tells me.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  So that's how I, I usually like to leave 45 minutes early.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  Um, just. A lot of that is cutting through Bozeman.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  We're approaching long commute season.

• 1:19:08Speaker 05

  Twenty four, yeah, twenty four miles on the interstate, but um.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Through a mountain pass.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, through a mountain pass. Uh, but again, I am only, uh, I think three miles from a Taco Bell.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  Very good. I think my commute is probably like eighteen minutes. What do you got, Corey?

• 1:19:23Speaker 06

  Takes about six minutes.

• 1:19:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:19:26Speaker 06

  I could ride a bike here.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  You must drive fast.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  You're winning.

• 1:19:29Speaker 06

  No, I'm very close.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Phil, what's your commute?

• 1:19:31Speaker 07

  Like twenty, twenty five, depending.

• 1:19:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, see, see, I'm thirty eight and I'm on the other side of the pass. It just shows you how bad the infrastructure is here for motor vehicle traffic.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:19:44Speaker 07

  Our, our producer who lives in Missoula just, uh, said three hours.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, the average commute, I just Google it for Americans as of twenty twenty three is twenty seven minutes, which I feel like we've found, uh, close to that.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:19:56Speaker 07

  Chad is asking any tips for handling game meat with trauma after being shot. I shot a buck and both front shoulders had a decent amount of trauma on the insides of them.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Cut it out, Chad.

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, get rid of it. I don't know that there's a trick, yeah.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  You don't want bloodshot meat, uh, with, uh, even if you're doing the thing lowest on the totem pole, like turning it into, to ground meat, uh, just keep that, that bloodshot.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's no secret, secret sauce there.

• 1:20:20Speaker 07

  Uh, Phil, what is the process for, uh, how I pick a song to parody for a drop? There actually is a process. I will open up a Spotify playlist, like based on a, on a, on a decade. So if I'm, I kind of try to, you know, span from sixties to current stuff. So I'll be, I'll feel like a seventies song today and I'll go through, I'll scroll through all the biggest hits from the seventies. And then I'll be repeating the segment name in my mind while I'm reading the list to try to find, you know, some alliteration or rhyming or syllables that match. Uh, sometimes it's easier, like, like Hot Hot To Go for Hot Tips was, was obvious, but like doing Lose Yourself for Fake News. That, that one was a stretch, but I was pretty proud of kind of making that work.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  That's very good stuff.

• 1:20:59Speaker 07

  But yeah, that's how it goes.

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  Phil, also, he doesn't want to go too obvious. When we have, when we do the Let's Talk About Sex segment, uh, would have been very easy to do Salt and Peppers, uh.

• 1:21:08Speaker 07

  No, I, I ended up using that song for Sir, a different segment, which.

• 1:21:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Speaker 07

  That's, yeah, it's been a while.

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  Keep on guessing.

• 1:21:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  Let's do two more, Phil. You got two more?

• 1:21:16Speaker 07

  Two more. Uh, nah, there's another one for me, but that seems stupid.

• 1:21:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, do it.

• 1:21:22Speaker 07

  Come on.

• 1:21:22Speaker 04

  Bill feedback.

• 1:21:23Speaker 07

  We just won't count it against the two. Specifically for this one man, because no one's gonna know what the hell he's talking about. He's asking if I've played Ark Raiders, which is the new hotness in gaming right now.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:21:31Speaker 07

  Uh, no. No, I'm not. It's a competitive, sort of competitive multiplayer game. When I've retired from those. I'm too old. I have kids. I can't, I can't do, and I've been, I'm a lapsed PC gamer. I haven't had a good PC in years, so. I'm, I strictly stick to console gaming for the most part now.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:21:49Speaker 07

  Um, Spencer, the other Spencer.

• 1:21:52Speaker 04

  Spencer 2.0.

• 1:21:52Speaker 07

  Was just at the Meat Eater flagship store, and he just wanted to give a shout out for, for, for the, for the crew there.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  Shout out to the store boys.

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  We love the store boys.

• 1:22:01Speaker 07

  Store boys.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  They have managed to just fill that place with college age fellas, and they do a great job running it.

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  Yep, yep. Whenever I need someone to go drink a cold one with.

• 1:22:12Speaker 07

  I'll do one more.

• 1:22:13Speaker 05

  Store boys are there for me.

• 1:22:14Speaker 07

  That's for real, then we'll close out.

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  Shout out Alex Zimmer, the store manager.

• 1:22:18Speaker 07

  Brayden says, "Moving from Iowa to southern Idaho, what versatile caliber rifle would you buy to hunt elk/deer/otherlargegame? If you would only pick one?"

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Only pick one in Idaho with elk, deer, and other large game. What do you got, Randall?

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  Um, I don't think you need to overthink this. My, my question to you would be, how experienced are you shooting centerfire rifles? I think choosing the right bullet and, and knowing how that bullet performs and what range is.

• 1:22:51Speaker 04

  Give him an answer.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  6.5 Creedmoor?

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  There we go. I, I think I would say a .30/6 or a .270 if you're recoil conscious, maybe a .308 or a 6.5 Creedmoor. Corey?

• 1:23:01Speaker 06

  300 Win Mag.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  Oh, Corey's going the other end of the spectrum.

• 1:23:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I, I shot everything with a 300 Win Mag for a while. Um, there's nothing wrong with it.

• 1:23:12Speaker 06

  I just can't quit.

• 1:23:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Speaker 06

  All these new hot cartridges are so lame to me.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:23:17Speaker 06

  300 Win Mag, all the way.

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  He asked for one suggestion. I think we gave him five.

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, good luck.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  So, good luck, Brayden. All right, that's the end of this week's show. We'll be back here next week.

• 1:23:26Speaker 05

  That was a fun one, guys.

• 1:23:26Speaker 04

  Same time and place. Bye now.

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