#1463 Peter Diamandis | How To Make Money Forever

Peter Diamandis is the Founder & Curator of Abundance360 and the Founder & Executive Chairman of XPRIZE. He is also the author of “Longevity Guidebook: How to Slow, Stop, and Reverse Aging — and not die from Something Stupid. In this conversation we discuss, his keys to longevity, sleep, morning routine, futuristic technology, the power of mindsets, XPRIZE Foundation, what longevity escape velocity is, and more. ======================= This episode is brought to you by Bitdeer (NASDAQ: BTDR), a global leader in Bitcoin mining and high-performance computing for AI. Led by a seasoned management team, Bitdeer is driving innovation with its proprietary SEALMINER ASICs for Bitcoin mining and has a massive 2.5 GW power portfolio across three continents. Learn more about Bitdeer at www.bitdeer.com ======================= Polkadot is a scalable, secure, and decentralized blockchain technology aimed at creating Web3. Created by Gavin Wood, co-founder of Ethereum, Polkadot empowers users to build decentralized applications with ease. Backed by industry leaders, making it a preferred choice for big names, Polkadot stands out as a leading choice for investors seeking a reliable, future-proof solution in the growing world of Web3 technology. Learn more at https://polkadot.com/. ======================= Pomp writes a daily letter to over 265,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at https://pomp.substack.com/ ======================= View 10k+ open startup jobs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://dreamstartupjob.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Enroll in my Crypto Academy: https://www.thecryptoacademy.io/

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Many of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, which is my effort to find the most interesting people in the world and sit with them for hours while I ask questions in an effort to learn. So it would mean the world to me if you would subscribe to the show on your favorite audio platform, watch episodes on YouTube, and tell your friends and family about the podcast. My goal is to help millions learn from the world's most interesting people. So let's get into today's episode.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 0:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Today's episode is brought to you by NASDAQ listed Bitdeer. They trade under their stock ticker BTDR. They're led by a seasoned management team. Bitdeer is a global leader in Bitcoin mining and high-performance computing for artificial intelligence, and they are backed by technological innovation and a massive 2.5 gigawatt global power portfolio. Recently, Bitdeer launched its own Bitcoin mining ASIC named the Seal Miner to target what Wall Street analysts project to be a multi-billion dollar annual market. Their proprietary Seal Miner ASICs are redefining efficiency and performance, and they are backed by the industry's most advanced chip roadmap, with two more groundbreaking models set to launch in 2025. To learn more about Bitdeer's cutting-edge technology and business,

• 1:36Anthony Pompliano?

  visit their website at bitdeer.com. That's B-I-T-D-E-E-R.com. Go check out Bitdeer today. Today's episode is brought to you by Polkadot. Polkadot offers secure, scalable, and decentralized blockchain technology that perfectly aligns with the needs of innovative projects. It was developed by Gavin Wood, one of the co-founders of Ethereum and the creator of Solidity. Polkadot aims to build an internet where users have full control over their data and their applications. Polkadot offers tons of unique features, a shared security model, along with the new auction model and significant implementations like ASIC banking. Given these characteristics, it's easy to understand why Polkadot is gaining more and more traction in the cryptocurrency world. Some people even are talking about it

• 2:19Anthony Pompliano?

  as the AWS of Web 3. Now, companies such as Mythical Games, Astro Network, and over 50 other independent blockchains with hundreds of applications already leverage Polkadot's technology to power their platforms. If you're looking for a reliable, scalable, and cutting-edge solution, Polkadot seems to be the top choice for industry players. Go check them out today at polkadot.com. All right, Peter, I thought a great place to start this conversation is everyone who wants to build a great portfolio, who wants to invest for a long period of time, whether it's in Bitcoin, stocks, real estate, whatever. An under-discussed point is that they gotta be around for a long time. Warren Buffett is only Warren Buffett because he's 90 years old, he's been compounding for 80 years. I think he started like when he was like 10, 11 years old, and he's now 90. And

• 3:03Anthony Pompliano?

  so when you think about that, a huge part of your investment portfolio is actually being healthy enough to continue investing for decades to come. You've written this book on longevity, so you're like the perfect person. You're a great investor, you're a great entrepreneur, and now you've become obsessed with health and have all these great insights. And so I thought a great place to start is just like, as you set out to figure out this like longevity thing, how much of it is like, normal advice that you've gotten, and you just have to stay disciplined and kind of stick to it, versus everything we learned is wrong and the food pyramid's upside down and like, there's this big contrarian approach?

• 3:41Speaker 02

  It's both. And, and let me just start off by agreeing with you that I think the most extraordinary time ever in human history is ahead of us. The greatest growth of capital formation, of companies, of value creation. We're in the middle of roaring twenties right now. And I think for me, I not only, I'm 63 now, I have 13-year-old boys, I'm looking at what the next 63 years looks like, you know, and it's going to be us becoming a multi-planetary species. There's so much excitement from the tech side, but it's going to be a huge amount of wealth created. We're going to create more wealth in the next 10 years than we have in the entire past century.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Just because technology is moving so rapidly. Uh, the, the book looks at, there are fundamentals. I wrote this book, um, Pomp because I wanted people to have a very clear, very usable book, um, on what I can do right now and where the technology is going. I talk about something called longevity mindset. Uh, and longevity mindset is the notion that, uh, if you believe we're in the midst of this health span revolution, where technology is going to enable us to live an extra 20 or 30 healthy years. Right? So what Warren Buffett has done is not uncommon. It's become part of our expectation

• 5:08Speaker 02

  that you're making it through to 90s, over 100, who knows how far we'll go. That if you love life and you love what you're doing, you're going to want to have as long a health span, not necessarily lifespan, lifespan is how long your heart's ticking, but how long you're healthy and vital to enjoy life. And, uh, longevity mindset is understanding this is coming and doing what it takes today to intercept those breakthroughs that are happening our way.

• 5:39Anthony Pompliano?

  What I want to talk about before we get into maybe like what the solutions are or what the problems are. There's three things that I keep in the back of my head. The first is that the food pyramid, you know, is basically upside down.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Broken.

• 5:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? So, so hey, we shouldn't eat the things that they told us to eat. The second thing is that, uh, I believe it was like 40 or 50 years ago, uh, not a single county in America had an obesity rate over 20%. Now there's not a single county in America that has an obesity rate where it isn't at least 20%. And so there's been this widespread shift. Doesn't matter about, you know, zip code, health, uh, uh, wealth, education, like it is just across the entire country. And then the third thing is if you get on Twitter and you type in some keywords like hospital, healthcare, you know, name, whatever, people are complaining and complaining and complaining that the healthcare system is broken. It's too expensive. They can't get

• 6:35Anthony Pompliano?

  good, you know, service, et cetera. And so where do you think we went wrong? Like where are the problems? Again, we're trying to compound capital for decades and decades, but obviously something is wrong in the healthcare system. What, what are those problems?

• 6:49Speaker 02

  There's a lot of problems, a lot of individual institutions to blame. You know, the Make America Healthy Again initiative, I completely concur with that. We are feeding the majority of America sugar. And when did it become natural to feed kids Captain Crunch cereal for breakfast? Right? So I grew up with that. And somewhere over the last, you know, 50 years, that was what became breakfast. And it's just all sugar. The human body never evolved to consume as much sugar as we have. A hundred years ago, we would consume a couple of kilograms per year. Now it's 100 kilograms per year. Sugar was a very recent addition to the human diet.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  And it turns out it's one of the major cardiac inflammatory and neuroinflammatory agents. And we're just killing ourselves with the amount of sugar we're taking in. Whole plants, I mean, these are the very basic things I think we all know. But when you go through medical school today, there are like no classes on nutrition. It's like, it's like not part of it, but of course, food as medicine is one of the most important things. So in the book, I have a chapter on, you know, longevity diet. It's not difficult. Minimize sugar, maximize whole plants. If you're sitting down at a meal, even the order in which you eat your food matters.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  You know, tonight, when you're sitting down for dinner, first off, you know, drink a glass of water first. Second thing, take a deep breath in, slow down, activate your parasympathetic system, your rest and digest system. And then eat your vegetables first, like a salad or your, you know, broccoli or asparagus. That fiber slows down your digestive system. Eat your protein next. And then if you have room, you can eat your carbs last.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  You know, when you're at a restaurant and they bring out the basket of bread and the wine, they're not doing that just to be nice because you might be hungry. They're doing that because they want to spike your blood glucose, which makes you hungrier, which makes you order more food from the restaurant. It's a slight bit of manipulation. So, you know, what we eat, how we eat it matters. Chewing your food, we all know these things, not sitting down in front of CNN, the crisis news network, and eating your food, which gets you all in a tizzy and activates your sympathetic nervous system, which is your fight or flight, which is the worst situation to be digesting food in.

• 9:23Anthony Pompliano?

  One of the things that throughout the book I took away is there's this element of like long-term thinking, you know, taking a deep breath, the way you eat the food, like they're all little daily habits or kind of, you know, sequences, et cetera. But if you do it every single day, the right way, for a long period of time, you get the benefit. But if you only do it once a month, you don't really get that much benefit by eating the food in a certain order. It's the daily habit that really feeds into it.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100%. I added, the very last chapter I added to the book was a chapter on routines and habits, because I realized that for me, the routines and habits I've built over the years, and it's really last 10 years I focused on this, that transform my life. It's the things that you do every day, the small things you do. When you get these habits, it keeps you from negotiating with yourself, right? So when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is have a gratitude for the day, like, you know, thank you for this incredible day, and I'm so excited for it, beginning with this positive attitude, right? And kicking

• 10:32Speaker 02

  my butt out of bed to go and work out. And I worked out, you know, at least five days a week. You know, last year I added 10 pounds of muscle, which was my objective, which was not easy, but muscle is your longevity organ. And there are things you can do to add muscle. There are lots of reasons we can talk about there. But my day begins the night before by going to sleep on time. You know, when you go to sleep on a routine basis, for me, it's in bed by 9:30 every night. It's not every night, but it's my objective to get there. And that sets me up for getting up, because my body wakes up at like 5:30 anyway.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  And if I go to sleep at nine thirty, that gets me my eight hours of sleep. Listen, diet, exercise, and sleep and mindset, still one of the most extraordinary critical things.

• 11:27Anthony Pompliano?

  On the sleep side, one of the things that I keep coming back to is, and people who have been listening to this podcast for a long time know, I used to sleep horribly. I became very serious about it. It frankly changed my life. And, you know, I talk about it now. It's like it's nature's doctor. Like, go see the doctor every night and just make sure you get that sleep.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Um, what are you doing from a routine standpoint? Because there's people with kids, there's people who are staring at their computers and their phones and all like, like, walk us through that whole routine.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Helps you set up for a good night of sleep.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, and be gentle with yourself, right? If you don't get a good night's sleep, don't blame yourself, whatever. It's like, it's an objective that you have. So, um, and it's different for everybody, but I lay out in the, in the sleep chapter. Uh, first of all, the single most important thing is regularity, your brain and your routines. So for me, my rule is, listen, I'm, I'm at my abundance three sixty event. I've got six hundred CEOs in the audience. The party goes till eleven o'clock or twelve o'clock at night. By nine thirty, I'm in bed. And it's just, it's just my promise to myself. Um, and I set the temperature of the room down low. Uh, it's typically down at sixty-three degrees Fahrenheit, which

• 12:42Speaker 02

  helps you get a deep night, uh, a night of great deep sleep. Uh, it's not eating food, uh, at least two hours beforehand. Um, it's not exercising just before sleep. It's unfortunately no alcohol, right? I've cut out almost a hundred percent of alcohol. I'll have maybe a half a glass of wine socially, um, during the, during the week. And it is, uh, I use a, a manta night mask that keeps all the light out. I also use a mouth guard that has an upper and lower guard that juts my jaw out a little bit forward that keeps me with an open airflow. So I don't have any kind of disruptive airflow

• 13:24Speaker 02

  at night. There are lots of things you can do. Some people, it's hot baths and a hot bath is a chance to dilate your outer vascular system of your skin and that allows you to dump temperature. So the same idea as getting the room cold is taking a hot bath before going to sleep and it allows your core temperature to actually to go down. I use an Oura ring, you know, it's a, I was an early investor in the company, but it gamify sleep for me. It, I know I go to sleep at night and I wake up in the morning and how was my sleep score? You know, did I get over a 90, which is my objective? Did I get an hour of deep sleep? And so these, all of these things we talk

• 14:09Speaker 02

  about in the book are, each of them are elements to help you maximize, maximize your sleep. And, you know, having kids, having night shift, having, you know, all of these things can, can be disruptive for sure. And there could be periods of your life where you're not having great sleep, but when you can, you should. It is waking up in the morning with a clean slate and, and a positive attitude sets you up for the day.

• 14:43Anthony Pompliano?

  So you go to sleep, you get this great night of sleep, you did your whole routine, ready to rock and roll, you wake up, you're refreshed. I know a lot of people from an investment standpoint, you know, Bitcoin's a 24/7 market. A lot of people getting ready for the stock market to open. They pull out that phone, they start reading the news, they're checking prices, all that kind of stuff. What are you doing when you wake up that puts you in a better spot?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  And listen, I'm guilty as well of, you know, looking at a few things, but in the morning when I wake up, my first action is gratitude. It is really, I'm living during the most amazing time ever. I'm grateful for what I have a chance to do during the day. It's a, you know, it's a day of infinite possibilities. So just getting that mindset, that positive, optimistic, abundance mindset. I'll go, then I'll sit down, I'll do a meditation. I have a, I stack things. I have a red light therapy, you know, and I'll do full body red light. I'll meditate.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  I will then probably do a very quick 10 minute scan on my email. Is there any emergency that came in from the night? I'll create my must do, my top five items for the day that I want to accomplish. If I accomplish these five items today, it's a rock, you know, it's a rocking day. And then I will write for an hour. So I write every morning. It's my guilty pleasure and my mind is clearest. And that will take me from 5:30 till 7:30. And then I will, I have my four days a week, I'm in the gym, other three days I'm doing cardio.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  And then, you know, launch into the day. So my goal is not to have my day disrupted by,

• 16:36Speaker 02

  you know, texting and emails and everything. My first few hours of my day are my golden hours. They're mine. I get to use them as I, as I want.

• 16:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Now, one of the things when you talk about exercise in the book, if I remember correctly, the number that you use is 4,000 steps. There's a bunch of science that shows you have clearer thinking, you're healthier, you know, all this different stuff. I thought that it was interesting that it was 4,000 because that's a much more approachable number than I've heard 10,000, 12,000, right? Numbers that a lot of people look and say, how the heck am I going to get that many? Whereas 4,000 seems much, you know, much easier to accomplish.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  I see what I'm up to today. I'm up to 7200. So that's good. I took my morning walk. I'll try and get to 10,000. So listen, at the end of the day, there are lots of different studies that show, you know, different levels, like 4,000, 7,000, 10,000. You'll get data on each of these.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  I guarantee you 4,000 is infinitely better than none. And the challenge we have right now, after going through COVID, is we're sitting on our butt, as you and I are doing right this second. I think of smoking, you know, sitting as the new smoking. And one of the things I've started doing is I've got a stationary bike, and I've got a treadmill desk, and I've got, I'm a block off of Santa Monica's, you know, strand. And I will take my board meetings on my bike, on my stationary bike, unless I'm the one presenting. I'll be sitting here, you know, just trying to keep my heart rate at 105, heartbeats per minute,

• 18:16Speaker 02

  which is enough to be activating my mitochondria in a zone two sense, but not so much that I can't have a conversation. Or I'll put on my earbuds and I'll take phone calls walking on the street. So you can, I mean, the judo move is to say, okay, be jealous of your time. And like, is this next phone call something I can take as I'm walking? Or as I'm on the bike? Or as I'm on a treadmill? And majority of time, the answer is yes. And so if you are, you know, selfish in that way and say, listen, I'm going to take this one out on a walk,

• 19:00Speaker 02

  you can squeeze in 4,000 steps, easy enough.

• 19:05Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't think that that is hard for most people to do, to get to the 4,000. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Another thing that you said in the book that I thought was fascinating, daylight savings time. When they moved the clocks, hospitals report like a 25, 24% increase in heart attacks?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  In heart attacks, yeah. So it's interesting. This is an annual experiment that occurs. This work is from Dr. Matthew Walker, who is, he wrote an incredible book, Why We Sleep. He's most definitively the world's sleep expert, and the man's amazing. And if you have not read Why We Sleep, I commend it to everybody. He goes through the data about You know, the human species is the only species that that actually shortchanges ourselves of sleep. Um, and when I was in medical school years ago, I would pride myself on being able to get by with five or

• 20:03Speaker 02

  five and a half hours of sleep. And, you know, my saying was there'll be plenty of time to sleep when I'm dead. But the reality is you're getting so little sleep will kill you. Um, it it drops your immune levels, it drops your spermatoestosterone levels. Um, it's an increase, like you said, uh, getting an hour of less sleep increases ER visits for heart attacks by, you know, twenty four, twenty five percent. Um, and you actually reduce the amount of ER visits when we get, you know, the hour back uh, later on.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Sleep is fundamental. You know, the way I think about it is when we were evolving on the savannas of Africa, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand years ago. Um, before we had homes, when we were open to predation. When you were sleeping, you know, you weren't being productive, you weren't being reproductive, you weren't defending yourself. If evolution could have done away with sleep, it would have. And we need sleep. It is the foundational, it's the foundation upon which everything else. And when people say, listen, sleep, diet and exercise, you know, it still is those fundamental basics. And there are tools to help you with each of those now.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  And they're the, they're the first, if you would, the first bridge that will get us to the second bridge of longevity, which is a lot of the therapeutics under development right now.

• 21:43Anthony Pompliano?

  When you look at, again, from this like investor lens, what I find fascinating about you is you're constantly looking for the next thing, the next piece of technology, the next great company. But as a user who is interested in longevity, those two worlds are now colliding. There's a ton of technology and products, companies that are trying to help people do this. There are things that are kind of futuristic, like brain-computer interfaces, which you talk about. Then there are things that are as simple as getting quarterly blood check-ins and making sure that, you know, you're kind of on track. How important is the futuristic stuff

• 22:27Anthony Pompliano?

  versus maybe the like blocking and tackling simple stuff? And the reason why I think about that is like, one of my greatest fears is that you and I, we were born in the famous quote of, "We were born too late to discover the earth and explore the earth, but born too early to discover the stars and go explore out there."

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:48Anthony Pompliano?

  And so how do you think about some of this like futuristic technology?

• 22:52Speaker 02

  I, so I live in this futuristic technology, right? I have two large venture funds, Bold Capital, which is investing in biotech and health tech about 600 million, and Exponential Ventures, about 500 million, investing in AI. And so I'm seeing all of these companies constantly. And it's magical. And AI and biotech slash longevity are colliding. And this next decade is a real decade of the health span revolution because of AI. You know, we have 40 trillion cells in our body. Every cell is running between a billion to 2 billion chemical reactions per second.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  And there's no way for a human to understand what's going on, but AI can. And we're beginning to understand fundamentally what's going on. You know, as I say in the subtitle of the book, "How to Slow-Stop and Reverse Aging", then not, and the second part of the subtitle is in not dying from something stupid. And let me mention what that, what that second part is. If I were to ask you or anybody listening right now, If you, are you absolutely sure you know that nothing is going on inside your body you need to know about? And most of us are optimists about our health.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  We think we're fine, but we all have friends and colleagues who we know had a pain or problem. They go to the doctor, the doctor says, listen, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you've got stage three or stage four, this or that, where you've got, you know, advanced blockage in your coronary arteries. And the thing to realize is it didn't just happen that morning, right? It's been going on for some time. And unless you look, you're not going to find out. And people say, well, I don't want to know. And I'm saying bullshit. Of course you want to know. You want to know as early as you can when you can do something about it because you're going to find out eventually. Do you want to find out early? Because medicine has moved incredibly far in our ability to address almost everything.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  So one of the companies that Tony Robbins and I started with Bill Cap is a company called Fountain Life. I write about it. It's one of the companies that provides this or others. I think Fountain Life is best personally, but we have, we have centers in New York. Our headquarters in Orlando, we have Naples and Dallas. We're opening up LA, Houston, Arizona, Miami soon. And these are 10,000 square foot centers where you go and over the course of four and a half hours, we upload you. We digitize you. Full body MRI, brain, brain vasculature, and a coronary CT with an AI overlay, low

• 25:45Speaker 02

  dose lung CT, DEXA scan, your full genomics, your microbiome metabolomics, all of this. And it's to answer two questions. Is there anything going on inside your body right now that you need to know about and take care of? And the second is what's likely to happen to you in the future? And how do we optimize you to prevent that? And we've saved hundreds and hundreds of lives. And the numbers from our first 5,000 patients are impressive. 2% of people who are seemingly healthy have a cancer they don't know about. 2.5% have an aneurysm they don't know about.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  14.4% have either metabolic disease, coronary artery disease, or neurodegenerative disease. And when you find out early, there are a multitude of protocols to get you back into a state of health. So I think of not dying from something stupid as giving yourself the benefit of this kind of a found life upload on an annual basis. That goes along with wearing a seatbelt, wearing a helmet when you're skiing, you know, not texting and driving. You know, things that makes sense to do.

• 27:01Anthony Pompliano?

  When you think about kind of your journey here, what was the hardest thing for you to do? Right? You know, it's like in investing, I think one of the things that the younger generation is learning, it's easy to buy, it's really hard to sell. But you don't know that until you've already bought and you go through like, oh, when do I sell? Should I have sold? You know, I messed this up, whatever. You're now kind of, you know.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  It's also hard to, it's also hard not to churn your investments. It's hard to hold on for the long run.

• 27:29Anthony Pompliano?

  Exactly. Like, you know, you tend to sell the ones that you shouldn't sell. You tend to hold the ones that you should, you know, that you should have sold. So for you, what has been the hardest part and what did you do to kind of get over that?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  I, I had to make a decision that my health was a priority. That is the fundamental first step. If, if you make a, if you make the choice that my health is a priority for me, that I want to live an extra 20 or 30 healthy years. Right now, the average human lifespan in the United States is, you know, 78, 79.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  And that's your lifespan, that's how long your heart is ticking. But health span typically ends at 63. So we've got this like 16 year gap during which last 16 years you're not healthy. Uh, you've got, you know, uh, diabetes or coronary disease or, or, you know, a whole slew of things. And all of these things are reversible.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  By making the choice that your health, your life for either yourself or your spouse or your kids,

• 28:46Speaker 02

  is a priority and it's choosing to invest a certain amount of the time in the day and building those routines and those habits. And once you do, that becomes part of your identity. Listen, one of the easiest things to do in a step in that direction is, uh, you know, you've heard the saying you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. So are you spending time with people who care about their health and are in good shape and have good eating habits or not? Uh, and if you're not, maybe it's time to, you know, shuffle the deck on your friend group. Because I guarantee you, if you hang out with people where working out and eating healthy

• 29:28Speaker 02

  and their health is a priority, it will impact you in a very positive fashion. The flip side, if you're hanging out with people who are lazy and are eating crap, you're going to be lazy and eat crap as well. So these are small choices that you make. What you listen to, what you read, you know, our brains are neural nets. You know, I talk a lot about, most people might know me from my world and tech and AI and, and all of these areas, you know, our brains, 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections that everything we know feel here. Our brains are neural nets and you train your neural net, just like AI, large language models

• 30:09Speaker 02

  get trained by what you read, what you listen to, what's on your posters on your wall, the people you hang out with. And so choose that carefully. You know, I also happen to think that longevity is the largest marketplace on the planet. So I'm in front of

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Family offices, you know, YPO groups, all kinds of high net worth individuals. And if I get into an open, honest conversation, I'll say, okay, let me ask you a question. How much of your net wealth would you spend for an extra 20 or 30 healthy years of life?

• 30:51Speaker 02

  And at the end of the day, if they're honest about it, the majority would spend majority of their of their wealth on on buying those extra 20 or 30 healthy years. I mean, we spend a lot of our wealth in the last couple of years of life with like these crazy efforts in the hospital versus spending it earlier on to get yourself in the best position. Right. To get yourself in the healthiest position.

• 31:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, and I think one of the things that I can't remember, maybe it was a being mortal. Maybe it's the book that talks about how American individualism that makes us so strong as we're kind of growing and building wealth and doing all of this is also one of our biggest detriments at the end of our life. Most other cultures, you know, the older kind of elderly, they move in with their younger children, their children take care of them, etc. In America, they move into retirement homes or they basically hold on to, you know, live as long as you possibly can in the hospital, but you're hooked up to a bunch of tubes and, you know, it's not really kind of the health span. Yeah, it's not really the health span that you talk about.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Another another aspect that I was surprised that was in the book is skincare. Elaborate on that.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  So when you think about what is important for your longevity, I think you want to think clearly. Right? You want to move well. You want to have immunity. We'll talk about that in a moment. And you want to look good. When you look at yourself in the mirror, your mind is such a powerful tool, mind over matter, that you want to look at yourself and say, hey, I'm doing pretty damn well. And so I care about skincare. I care about, you know, how I visibly look to myself because that's incentive and encouragement to keep myself in the best shape I can.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  So, you know, thinking clearly, moving well, looking good, I think is, is a important part of longevity. Is it the most important part? No. But there are products out there. I talked about one of the products I love.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Full disclosure, I'm an advisor to the company because I love the founding team. They're four PhD women who've done incredible work and they've identified, there's something called a senescent cell. And senescent cells are, cells typically will divide fifty times. It's called a Haflich limit. And then they should have the decency to die. Sometimes they become cancer cells and other times they become senescent cells, which are also called groucho men cells. They, they sit there on the edge of mortality and they just pump out inflammatory factors. And so what this company called OneSkin did was they found a particular ten amino acid sequence of peptide that kills senescent cells in the skin.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  And I just, I love their product. I've been using it for, for multiple years and.

• 34:01Anthony Pompliano?

  You should be the front of, you should be the front of the ad. Like, just be like, he says he's sixty-three. He looks twenty-one. Use our product. There you go.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I, I think skincare is one, but the other one that I have an entire section on here is dental health.

• 34:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Crazy.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It's like, yeah, people, I mean, I have so much respect for taking care of my dental health right now. And I, I've doubled up on, or tripled up on what I do there. It turns out that your teeth. We don't think about this, but your teeth and your gums are a direct entry into the bloodstream. And so cardiac health and neuro health, brain health can be massively affected negatively impacted by gum disease and by gum health. So I spend a lot more extra time. I wish I'd done it more when I was younger, but I do it now for sure. And I lay out the protocols. You know, I wanted to build longevity guidebook in a way that you could pick it up and say,

• 35:02Speaker 02

  eh, let me see what's going on in dental or skin or muscle. You know, can I just read one, one thing from, um, one thing that I know you talk about?

• 35:15Speaker 02

  And is important, which is mindset, right? You've got mindsets for being investor, mindsets in being an entrepreneur. And so the power of mindsets here, and this is on, on page 121 here, it says, "In a study of 69,744 women and 1,429 men, published in the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which is like the highest level. It was found that optimistic people live as much as 15% longer than pessimists." I believe it. And I found that, I found that, you know, pretty damn extraordinary.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  And it's like, you know, I, I mean, share one other quick story here. And this is about mind over matter. And so this is one of my favorite stories illustrating mind over matter. And one of my favorite sayings also is always, always make your future bigger than your past. Right? If you have something to look forward to, you're going to take care of yourself. You're going to be alive. You're going to look, you have a positive attitude in life. So as it turns out, in an extraordinary demonstration of the will to live, two of America's founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams,

• 36:35Speaker 02

  both willed themselves to live long enough to see the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Even though the average life expectancy was only 44 years old in the early 1800s, Jefferson, who was 83 at the time, and Adams, who was 90, made it to July 4th, 1826, both died in that exact date, the 50th anniversary of the nation they had founded.

• 37:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Crazy.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  It's mind, the mind is a very powerful tool.

• 37:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, I also think that mind is like your internal force. But then one of the things that I have probably told more young people than I would like to admit is to knock off the vaping, smoking, you know, these things that are, they're cultural though. And so there's like a societal thing, especially young men. I've seen like teenagers or, you know, young twenties, the, hey, it's cool. Everyone else has a vape pen, you know, type thing. And I feel like I'm like, you know, I feel like I'm my dad now telling, telling young people like, hey, not knock this off. But, but it is really, it is really kind of crazy.

• 37:48Anthony Pompliano?

  How much, if you go talk to them, like, they're like, I don't even necessarily like, I'm not addicted to this. It's just like, that's what we all do. And so to your, your, your earlier point, like your friends, whatever, it's like the right mindset, the right people around you and being able to resist the societal pressure.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  Guess what? Be a leader. Make eating vegetables cool. Make going to the gym and working out cool. Make taking care of yourself cool. You know, set the trend. Stop following everybody else.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Anyway, it's, you know, there's the books, the part of the books we've just talked about is what you can do right now. This book started by people coming to me and saying like, what are you doing for your health? And like, I take like seventy-five, eighty pills every day, then an entire chapter on the meds and supplements I take. And in detail, everything I take and why I take it. And I say to people, listen, this is what I do. I do bloody, you know, quarterly blood testing through Fountain Life every quarter. I measure everything all the time. And you should decide what you want to take as meds or supplements. My rationale is

• 38:58Speaker 02

  there, but in consultation with your doctor. But what I get excited about isn't, you know, the stuff I can do right now. I'm doing it, sharing it. By the way, this book, I'm donating all the proceeds of this book to the X Prize Foundation. I'll talk about that in a minute.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  And I'm offering the book, if you go to longevityguidebook.com, you can get the book at cost with a bunch of other, other benefits. This is about getting the word out to the world. This is about like, you know, putting aside the political side of it. It is about making the world healthy again. Anyway, there is so much coming down the pike, so much technology that is extraordinary. I'll give you one example. So, as you know, one of the organizations I started thirty years ago, hard to believe, is the X Prize Foundation. We put up these large global competitions. Our first X Prize was a private competition for private spaceflight,

• 40:01Speaker 02

  offered up ten million dollars to the first team to build a spaceship that could carry three adults up a hundred kilometers land and do it again within two weeks. Over the thirty years, we've launched thirty X Prizes, launched a hundred million dollar prize that I got Elon to fund to remove carbon out of the atmosphere at scale. And last year, I raised a hundred and forty-one million dollars to launch a health span prize. And so, this is a hundred and one million dollar competition. By the way, you'll find this funny. It's $101 million because the first benefactor, Chip Wilson, the founder of Lululemon, who's donated originally 35 million. He said, how big is Elon's prize? That's 100 million. He goes, can we make it 101?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  I said, sure, if you toss in the additional million bucks. I love that story. Anyway, so Chip's been a blessing. He's a beautiful man. And this is a $101 million cash prize with a $10 million bonus for a team that can come up with a therapeutic that if I deliver to you within one year or less, it can reverse

• 41:13Speaker 02

  the, your functional losses in immune cognition and muscle, meaning by 20 years, at least 10 years, as much as 20 years. So the goal is can I reverse, as we get older, our muscles begin to atrophy. It's called sarcopenia. Our immune system becomes exhausted. We have neurodegeneration. Our span of memory reduces. And so the goal is can this therapeutic reverse your muscle loss, your cognitive loss and your immune loss by at least 10 years, as much as 20 years? We have 460 teams competing for this prize. And I've seen the technology and it's mind blowing.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  And so there is this incredible revolution coming. I talk about the different elements in stem cells and epigenetic reprogramming. And I make that a small part of the book because it's just now becoming available. And it's about getting people excited about what's coming. It's like you want to be in the best shape you can be in to intercept this stuff over the next decade.

• 42:21Anthony Pompliano?

  I think it's a no brainer and it's very obvious what that direction of progress is. So even if it's starting small today, it's obviously going to get bigger, more important, et cetera. My last question for you is...

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:33Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm an investor. I'm out there buying assets. I'm looking at my portfolio value. How much is this all going to cost me? And should I just think of a certain amount of money every year? As I put X dollars in my investment portfolio, I put Y dollars in my health. And those two things are going to help me compound for 40, 50, 60 years.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's a really smart question to ask. I mean, so what is an extra decade or a couple of decades of health worth for you? Right? On the compounding side of the equation, it's worth a lot. Right? So, I mean, your future self is going to thank you for this. A lot of the stuff I talked about in the book, diet, exercise, sleep is effectively free. Mindset, all those things really don't cost you much of anything.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  The Fountain Life, the scanning yourself every year. If you can afford it, I think it's a moral obligation. I mean, you're driving with your eyes closed effectively, not knowing what's going on inside. So Fountain Life, the annual membership there for the upload. But in addition to the full digital upload and the AI you get with all your data in it. You get an entire medical team for the year. You get a functional medicine longevity doctor. You get a nurse, you get a dietitian and a health coach. And so that's 19,500 bucks for the year for all of the upload and for the entire health team to support you for the full year. And an additional quarterly testing.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Fountain is also going to be releasing a version of, so that was called the Apex program. It's releasing a version called Core, which is for companies or company executives at 6,500 bucks. So it's going to be demonetized over time. Every, you know, as AI is coming in, the technologies are getting cheaper. All of these things are going to continue to bring the prices down over time.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  But there are lots of levels. I talk about this in the book. There's stuff you could do for, you know, 500 bucks a year, a thousand bucks a year. It's making a decision, but the number one thing you can do is make the decision that your health is important. Get in the gym, sleep at least seven, eight hours, get rid of or minimize your sugar, right? Eat your whole plants, have a positive mindset, get a great friend group. I mean, these things are all fundamental.

• 45:07Anthony Pompliano?

  I really do think that there's this element of just saying to yourself, I'm a healthy person. A healthy person eats certain food. A healthy person, you know, works out. A healthy person doesn't drink a lot. A healthy person doesn't smell like it's, I think it's James Clear's Atomic Habits, like kind of like your identity becomes your action.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:23Anthony Pompliano?

  You know, goes back to kind of your idea of mindset and the importance of that is really important. And, you know, you think that while people see a longevity book, I honestly believe that the single most important component to people's portfolio over a long period of time is the fact that they don't take care of their health. And how many people had a great run for 20 or 30 years, but imagine what they could have done if they didn't die at 55, 60, 65 years old, if they had lived till they were 90. I mean, that is compounding. That is incredible.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Health is the new wealth. It really truly is. I mean, it's the greatest gift you can give yourself and the people that you love. I mean, you know, there's one of my favorite sayings is the man or woman who has their health has a thousand dreams and the man or woman does not has but one. And anybody who's ever been there, it is so true. Nothing else matter. Your portfolio doesn't matter anymore. Your, you know, your company, it's like, oh my God, I am in such pain. The other thing, by the way, is as a producer, why don't people retire? They retire because they're tired or they're in pain or they're forced to. But what would it be like if you're 70 or 80 and you've got the best rolodex of

• 46:43Speaker 02

  your life? You're more excited about life. You got the best relationships. You got the best wisdom ever and you're in the game. I mean, for me, that's, you know, when I think of, you know, some of the incredible entrepreneurs out there, that's like Larry Ellison, that's the game they're playing. They're at the peak of their game. And, you know, Larry's another, you know, incredible health and longevity aficionado.

• 47:09Anthony Pompliano?

  And he's what? He's got to be in his 80s?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's in his late eighties.

• 47:14Anthony Pompliano?

  And, you know.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  And he's been amazing.

• 47:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Ready to rock and roll. Incredible.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Uh, rocking and rolling across the board. He's created more wealth for himself in the last few years than than he has like his entire lifetime. He's like playing with Elon every place and God bless him. Um, I love his mindset. He's got a, you know, killer attitude, but a longevity attitude on top of that. You know, um, let me share one last thing. There's a concept called longevity escape velocity. And I write about it in the book and it's a concept that Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil, um, talked about. And it's the notion that there is going to be a point in time that for every year that you're alive, science is going to extend your life

• 47:59Speaker 02

  for greater than a year. And Ray predicts we're going to reach longevity escape velocity by the end of the year 2030, like in, like in six years, right? Um, two of the other, uh, top longevity scientists, both at Harvard Medical School, George Church and David Sinclair. Um, you know, as I've interviewed them and they've been friends for many years, uh, investors in their companies, their prediction is it's in the mid to late 2030s. Translation, you know, it's somewhere between the next six to 15 years. And if that's true, if all of a

• 48:39Speaker 02

  sudden, in the next six to 15 years, we are discovering the fundamental reasons, um, why we age, how to slow it, stop it, perhaps reverse it. You want to be around for that. Uh, it's, it's going to be an extraordinary time. Uh, at the same time that we're learning so much in the technology and science world and we're creating more wealth than ever before. So for me, you know, the only day more exciting than today is tomorrow. I want to see as much of it as I can get.

• 49:14Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm wishing you longevity, both in your life, but also in your portfolio, my friend. I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  Thank you, buddy.

• 49:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Where can we send people to find?

• 49:22Speaker 02

  By the way, yeah, I was gonna say longevity and Bitcoin, the two go hand in hand.

• 49:28Anthony Pompliano?

  The A. Uh, I think Bitcoin is teaching people to be long-term holders and you're teaching people how to live a long time. Those two things definitely go together. What, um, where, where can we send people? Uh, you mentioned a website for the book and then where can we send people to find you?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so please go to longevityguidebook.com. It's available there now. You'll get it basically the printing of the book and the shipping included. It's like 10 bucks or 12 bucks cheaper than Amazon. I'm just trying to get the book into many hands as possible. diamandis.com is my personal website. I'm at Peter Diamandis on Twitter and Instagram. If you're interested in fountain life, it's just fountainlife.com. And again, you know, it's not to everybody, but if you can afford it, it is the greatest investment you will make. We've saved so many lives. I'm so proud of the work that we're doing there.

• 50:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Amazing. Well, listen, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I've learned a ton from you over the years and it's fun to talk about this new book. So best of luck and we'll talk soon.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm excited. Next year we'll be on when Bitcoins hit 250K. Yeah. Onward and upward.