Alpine A110 Review; "Can I Drive on This?"; 15 Yrs of TST

After 8 years of dreaming, Matt Farah and Zack Klapman review the Alpine A110 GT, a car that every European journalist heralds as one of the greats; is it? We also celebrate Zack's 15th anniversary with The Smoking Tire, reminiscing about motel floors and supercharged cars. There's something in the Big Beautiful Bill that affects cars and car makers; plus a new bit inspired by Reddit called "Can I drive this home?" featuring some amazing spontaneous disassembly. Then we answer questions from our amazing Patreon members including: What cars we'd bring back Chevy Super Cruise vs Ford's Blue Cruise How to protect your car from the sun Is an R8 a cheap Ford GT? Reasons Zack likes the E9x M3 Why don't OEMs make hybrids with manuals? What car is "pure fun" for $65k? At what price do a few exotics (MC20, NSX, Jaguar F-Type, BMW i8) become great deals? And more! Recorded June 25, 2025 DeleteMe Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. HelloFresh Make your summer enjoyable and delicious by signing up for HelloFresh at https://www.hellofresh.com/smokingtire10fm and get TEN FREE MEALS with a FREE ITEM FOR LIFE. Smalls For a limited time only, because you are a Smoking Tire listener, you can get 60% off your first order of Smalls PLUS free shipping by using my code TIRE. FitBod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://www. Fitbod.me/TIRE. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What's up folks, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. My name is Matt Farah and today, me and Zach are talking about Homes for Kittens. No, really, we got Homes for the Kittens. Also, we're reviewing the Alpine A110. We're laughing at some hilarious mechanical mishaps on Reddit. We're talking about the dates we're coming to Texas to do live shows, talking about Trump's big, beautiful bill, neutering cafe standards, and we have some fabulous questions from our patrons, plus it's Zach's 15-year anniversary with the Smoking Tire, and we're remembering his sacrifices for the company.

• 0:42Matt Farah?

  I can see, there's definitely fun corners of Reddit, for sure.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  But you have to go find them, because it just, all it wants to show me is the same clickbait shit.

• 0:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's not, I mean, welcome to the algorithmic universe.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Welcome to the internet.

• 0:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Hi, everybody. This is the show. Interesting day. There's an Aston Martin press launch happening outside at WCCS today, which is, it's a nice thing. I can't take part in it, obviously, but I think Zach is gonna take part in it tomorrow and will give us a report on what CarPlay Ultra is like in the DBX 707. And then what they said to me was, "You know that roadster that you came to Palm Springs and drove? If you want to make a video about that," because you didn't, "CarPlay Ultra will be in that in like, three weeks."

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Aren't you getting that car for the road and tracky thing?

• 1:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but that's in September.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  So that, oh.

• 1:40Matt Farah?

  And it's gonna be up north. And so I wasn't gonna make a video, but like, if we wanted to do something with that car, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool, okay.

• 1:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I realized that I should've put a no strings, in the contract for the facility rental, I realized I definitely should've put, "I would like a no strings DBX for a week," you know? And they were like, "Yeah, I'd say that's a missed opportunity from you."

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Other people have asked for that.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  Um, but uh, yeah, welcome. Am I talking in an iPad right now? Are we okay?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  No, we're fine.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  Okay. Um, there are things that happened uh, this week. Uh, and, and a couple of them are really good. For instance, uh, Michael Tio Van Ronkel adopted all three of the kittens that we found.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  And sent me Instagram-approved pictures.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, which is fantastic. I really, a lot of people inquired about the kittens, but I really wanted them to go to a, to a home together if possible. When they're that young and that, that bonded, I think it's really to their benefit to stay together if possible. And uh, yeah, he and his wife, uh, ooh, I don't know if they're married, I'm sorry, uh, Ibi, um, whatever they are, they live together, they're fabulous, and uh, they're very excited. And the cats seem to have acclimated to their home real fast.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  They're so pretty, and they're really, really, really sweet. Unbelievably uh, good around humans for cats that were just found. So that's awesome. Took one day. Couldn't believe it.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  I see no wedding bands, so I thank girlfriend.

• 3:23Matt Farah?

  Mmm. Thank you, Klapman.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Kittens are adorable. They, I mean, all small animals are, but yeah.

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  Adult cats, also adorable.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  At times, yes. But they have, they have more attitude.

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  Also stressful. Today, I was driving from Beverly Hills to Gardena, and Monty chased a squirrel over my back wall that I was sure he couldn't do. And Hannah called me in a panic, and I couldn't help because I was so far away. There was just no way I could get there uh, in time to be of any real service.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, and she was able to get him, but man, was that, it was very stressful for her. It was very stressful for me to know about it and not be able to do anything.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 4:01Matt Farah?

  But she did get him back. It took about 25 minutes.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  I never thought it because you explained like the cat jumped over onto a on the other side it couldn't jump back.

• 4:08Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  And most of the time, I think a cat knows how to get home, it can find its way because your old cat Eddie would wander the neighborhood in return.

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  But Monty got himself in a pickle, you know.

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  I don't know for sure that he couldn't find his way. There isn't, he would have a very hard time finding his way back. The wall is not equal.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  My neighbor's house behind me is significantly lower than mine. And so on a wall at my place, there's a flat level ground to a wall. Immediately on the other side of that wall is a very steep drop down.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Getting from San Diego into Mexico much faster than getting back.

• 4:50Matt Farah?

  Yes. So we got him, but whoa, oh boy. But what's the date today? The 25th?

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:00Matt Farah?

  Okay. Do you know what June 20th, five days ago, was?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:08Matt Farah?

  It was, according to what is generally considered to be the first significant smoking tire video, your 15th anniversary with the company.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Mine?

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  When you and Thaddeus met the first time and drove those BMWs to Vf together.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  That was June 10th, 2010.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  That was 2010, wow. That was a VF Engineering car.

• 5:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  That was quite a trip. That was nuts.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  Aired July 1st, 2010. There were videos before that, yeah, but the production of that video was your first involvement with the video team.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Really?

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:47Matt Farah?

  15 years.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  15 years, five days ago.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  Where does it go?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Where does the time go, indeed?

• 5:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  That was quite a start, too.

• 5:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Supercharged. Both of them were supercharged, right? You had the E92 that had like this air force.

• 6:00Matt Farah?

  Wide body.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  You know, wide body with air force livery on it.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  It was, yeah.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Like true fighter jet.

• 6:06Matt Farah?

  Some warbird shit.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Warbird shit. And then the silver E46 was like.

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Very basic looking, but supercharged.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  A Dynan suspension and then it had a snail supercharger on it also. And I was like, Zach, this is Thaddeus. You guys follow me.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:24Matt Farah?

  Me and Tom were in the black E92 and then we're going to Vegas. In these cars, you've never met this person.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yep, correct.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  And you're.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 6:33Matt Farah?

  Worked out.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Look, you open a door and Thaddeus, 6'4", 260 with tattoos, he's like, you're riding with me.

• 6:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  And I'm like, alright, and then when we get on the, what is it, the 135, going from.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  When you exit the freeway.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Exit the freeway and head towards Spring Mountain.

• 6:48Matt Farah?

  In Baker, you stop and get Best Gyro USA because of course, as is tradition.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  And then you do 120 miles an hour.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  You better have a full tank because you then are going across Death Valley very, very fast.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Very fast, with someone you didn't really know, which was interesting.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  One of the great drives though, one of the great drives from Los Angeles is, is going. Once you exit that freeway and you get to cross Death Valley to get to Spring Mountain. And there ain't fucking nobody out there and you can stick that motherfucker at 140 and do these nice sweepers and you're not like endangering anybody, you're just enjoying wide open Merka. Don't want to get rid of that.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  I think I found the car.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  David Zipper won't like me saying that, but you know. Me and David Zipper get along on other things. Is that it?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Was that it? I think.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, that is it? Yeah, that is it.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was it.

• 7:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, wow, look at that.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  For people listening, this has like, it has the star on that covers the whole door like, you know, an F-15 would.

• 7:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's got, it looks more like a NOM chopper, actually. It's got that stenciled in, you know. Pie, the who's the pilot on the side.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, danger exhaust above the exhaust.

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  It's cute.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  It's so wide. That was cool.

• 8:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Cause then we got there and then we drove a Supercharged 996.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, that was kinda neat.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  That was the craziest.

• 8:10Matt Farah?

  It was a fun day.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  As far as chutes go, it still holds up as a very good one.

• 8:13Matt Farah?

  That does hold up as a, that kind of, if you provided free track time in all of those cars. That would still get me to your racetrack today.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:23Matt Farah?

  That still would, yeah.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Supercharged 911, yeah, it's a good car.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  And it's fucking straight downhill from there. It's never happened again.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Well, Perump's gotten better. The money's gotten better.

• 8:36Matt Farah?

  And then worse, and then better, and then worse, and then much better, and then worse.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  But back then was like, you know, sleeping in the motel floor.

• 8:45Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, no, I, I, I think, I don't know if people, I think we should probably take a minute to talk about Zach's early sacrifices for the company. Which, like, when you're, you know, when you're 26 and like, you know, you can be paid in alcohol, it doesn't take much for any of us to, to go to work, including myself, but like.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  I was 28, I guess.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  I think you were probably 27, 28.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  We were the same age, so you were, yeah. Yeah, there was some, you definitely slept on some motel floors.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Well, the, the joke, true, the true joke that Tom would say was we'll work for sandwiches. Because for ye, for literal years, we, and was, we all knew what we were doing and for, like, this is, essentially, we're all trying to get into

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  entertainment media, and we know you have to do it for free, and all of us were fine with that.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  Everybody.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Everybody was fine, yeah, all of us.

• 9:32Matt Farah?

  Like, I took side gigs and put the money into the smoking tire, too. Like, everyone kinda did.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But you did sleep on some motel floors. You also rode for pretty long distances in the backseat of my short cab Raptor.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  I did.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  And that was back when you chain smoked?

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  I would go home to my parents' place.

• 9:51Matt Farah?

  We were four up.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Four up.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  Me and Thad were in the front, and you and Tom were in the back.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Tom would edit, and I'd go home to Santa Cruz, and my mom would go, "Do you smoke cigarettes?" And I'd say, "No." But Matt does, and she, and she didn't believe me. She was like, "I think you smoke." I'm like, "I'm telling you, Mom, I'm getting."

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, I wish I could have called your mom and been like, "No, that was me."

• 10:09Speaker 01

  You know how long that phone call would go?

• 10:11Matt Farah?

  Man.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's something you don't like to learn about yourself later, but it was, you know, second.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  You knew, you knew that you smoked. You were there.

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  I did. And, and still, to this day, there's nothing I like better in life than a road trip and cigarettes. I haven't done cigarettes since 2016.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  I was thinking of this the other day. Do you think that, uh, your in-car coffee consumption has followed the similar pattern and ritual of getting in car with cigarette? Or getting out of car, you, you, cause you know how those, there's those triggers, like.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  So when you go to your car, are you like, "I have to fill up my pink cup?"

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, it's not like that.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 10:48Matt Farah?

  Those, it, the, in reference to, and I got a couple of nice emails about my panic attack that I talked about on the show.

• 10:57Matt Farah?

  No, it's just when you're doing like, when you're starting at 7 a.m. and you're doing nine hours and you're by yourself. And you're just listening to podcasts and sipping.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:08Matt Farah?

  You know, it's just a nice thing and it's easy to get, you know, for, to not keep track of actually how many ounces of coffee. I couldn't tell you how many ounces my pink cup is. It's probably bigger than.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Probably sixteen, maybe twenty.

• 11:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So you fill that thing up twice and have two cups before that? Woo!

• 11:27Speaker 01

  If it's sixteen, that's two full cups of coffee.

• 11:30Matt Farah?

  So, so we're talking four cups at a minimum, six cups at a minimum, but possibly more. Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  That's a problem. I've had no caffeine since, uh, Sunday.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 11:43Matt Farah?

  And here's what I can tell you. I don't need caffeine at all.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 11:49Matt Farah?

  At all, for anything. There's no reason for me to ever have caffeine.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Then you could just skip it.

• 11:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 11:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a lesson to learn. Um, anyway, that's, we, we went away from you and to me, I'm sorry. So early sacrifices include.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 12:03Matt Farah?

  Secondhand smoke.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Secondhand smoke, working for no money. It was like being a coal miner, but like a ten-year-old coal miner, you know, they'll pay me a penny a day.

• 12:11Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  But whatever, and I think I was still waiting tables until, until we got the car show. I was waiting tables like during the week.

• 12:17Matt Farah?

  That was 2011, so it was like a year or so of that.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I was writing for the, the website, you know, Nine.

• 12:24Matt Farah?

  Before that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Uh, yeah, that's true. We could have celebrated this a year ago, but I didn't, I, the, the, our articles weren't archived.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  But that video though was a better celebration because it was Supercharged Track Day. That was crazy.

• 12:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And then, and you did, uh, yeah, you didn't have to sleep in the kitchen of the house like Thad did. You did, you were above that.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  I did, because I, I had, I, by then I got other writing side gigs and I started working for JF.

• 12:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  I had a bunch of stuff going on.

• 12:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  And Thad was like, just doing JF stuff. So he had to sleep in the kitchen.

• 12:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you did, I think, you probably did more work for free than anybody.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  Like before money came in, you probably did more work for free than anybody.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  Maybe. I don't know. You used to pay me cash to write for the site.

• 13:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  But.

• 13:11Matt Farah?

  But then I, I think we pay, I think I paid you like something for doing something at some point. I think we paid you what we could, which was not much.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Everyone always got paid what was possible. I mean, you and Tom, you know, covered more of the stuff because like Tom was editing. So he got paid first and then it depended on what we were doing.

• 13:28Matt Farah?

  You understand why that was.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  And I understand why you paid yourself when you edited all the one take videos. Yeah, it's a, it's a grind. Yeah, totally. But we, but it was all in an effort to get somewhere and we got that place.

• 13:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  The snowball just keeps going as long as you keep pushing it.

• 13:45Matt Farah?

  It's just funny that the, the, the, the, the goalpost did change. I mean, the beginning it was we wanted to get a TV show and then we got a TV show. We're like, actually. Actually, actually TV is for suckers.

• 14:01Matt Farah?

  So.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Unless it's your third show and your, and your agent negotiates it well. And even then it's complicated, but at least you'll get paid.

• 14:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you know, usually if, unless you're, unless you're like a genius. Uh, unless you're Guy Fieri or Anthony Bourdain or Clarkson and Willman. You know, you're, you're, you're not able to negotiate that kind of TV deal in America in the 2010s and up. Doesn't exist.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  I think 2020 is just really hard. Now it's really hard. In the 2010s.

• 14:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  There were definitely some shrewd EPs that were like getting paid way too much.

• 14:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, EPs. Yeah. But like not the people on camera.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Like, like you said, you have to be experienced enough to realize you've gotten fucked twice. And then you go, if you want me on the show and now I have a big enough name to do it, here's what I want.

• 14:51Matt Farah?

  That is what I started saying to people. Never on TV again.

• 14:58Matt Farah?

  Seriously, it's literally, people are like, "You should stand up for yourself." And I did, and I was out.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Do you feel better, having stood up for yourself?

• 15:06Matt Farah?

  A hundred percent.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Right, there you go.

• 15:07Matt Farah?

  A hundred percent. I decided, would I rather be rich or famous? And I decided, if I was going to be famous, it was only as a means to being rich.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  And like, if I can fucking park cars and be a little famous from this fucking thing, well, that's just better.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, under your control, too. Versus under a TV show's control.

• 15:28Matt Farah?

  We can go to a place and be minor celebrities and then leave that place and be nobodies again. And that's a fucking great place to be in your life.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't want to be stopped in the street by everybody. You want to be stopped once a day. That's ideal.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 15:44Matt Farah?

  But, uh, man, I wonder where that car is? If it still exists, that supercharged M3? If that car still exists, I never, you know how many times people request us to drive the same car again later? That car is the only car I would do it with.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Oh, that'd be cool. We should hit up Nick.

• 16:02Matt Farah?

  He might know where it is.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:05Matt Farah?

  He doesn't still own it, certainly, but he might know where it is. I don't know, that wide-body VF Engineering M3.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  It's got nine owners now, something like that.

• 16:13Matt Farah?

  Shit, Florida title.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  But Montana tags? What? Yeah.

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, and so that's why I had Morgan bring you these quadratinis for the...

• 16:26Speaker 01

  These are, I don't know what these are made of, but they're great.

• 16:28Matt Farah?

  So, in honor of Zach, he gets to control, he gets to produce for the next bit. You had some things that you found that you thought were fun to talk about.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  I thought about a little bit for us.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  All my things on my list are like depressing, but yours is...

• 16:42Speaker 01

  I have good things.

• 16:43Matt Farah?

  You should do the good things, and then we can talk about the Alpine A110, because the video is going up tomorrow, and by the time the show goes up, everyone will have seen the video.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Got it, okay, we can do that. Someone is trying to sell their old Carrera GT tires.

• 16:56Matt Farah?

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• 18:21Matt Farah?

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• 19:05Matt Farah?

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• 19:54Matt Farah?

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• 21:17Matt Farah?

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• 21:32Speaker 01

  Now, I want you to look at this.

• 21:35Matt Farah?

  They're old.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  I think, well, they're Michelin Pilot Supersports.

• 21:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's old.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  That's old, right?

• 21:40Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  So...

• 21:41Matt Farah?

  With 2K gentle road miles.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  For $2,500. Now, is this someone who's saying, "Hey, if you have a museum-quality Carrera GT, should you buy these to put it on there?" Or do they just not know what tires are worth?

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  That is my guess. My guess is there's someone out there who has a collector-grade one that wants to put it on the original tires. And he might, he's fishing. He may not get it.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  But like, I kind of, I, look...

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Is there any reason to do that?

• 22:14Matt Farah?

  No.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  When the tire, because it's not like an 80's tire that looks interesting. It's just a fucking PSS.

• 22:20Matt Farah?

  And there are, like, there's probably 100 cars, 100 literal individual cars on the planet where their individual tires matter. And none of them are mass-produced cars. Like, if there's a car where Ayrton Senna won his last race and it's on as...

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  If it's a production sports car, nobody gives a shit.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  No one cares.

• 22:48Matt Farah?

  Nobody.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Because everyone's looking at the car, especially when it's a CGT, like, stunning car. No one's going, "Ah, it's alright, but these tires are gorgeous."

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe someone buys them for a few hundred bucks. They get bagged up, shoved in the back of the warehouse, and when they go to sell their own Carrera GT, they go, "By the way, it comes with original tires."

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 23:09Matt Farah?

  What else are they good for?

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't, but $2,500 seems way too high for tires you should not drive on.

• 23:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't even know if you'd find many shops that are, that are able to mount those without damaging them with 20-year-old tires. They'd probably rip them apart.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Fall apart like one of these crackers.

• 23:28Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I, you know what, it's like... I respect the ask, I guess, you know, um, there, there, he might, he might actually get some money for them. But, uh, I, if I had a Carrera GT or, I mean, look, I have an old expensive car. I don't give a fuck about original tires. I don't want them. Get them out of here. I want the, the tires that are on the car to be good. And beyond that, tires are a waste of space.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  So one of our very frequent listeners, Dan McKenna, says he knows this person because they're in Colorado.

• 23:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, no.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  And this person does not, they don't need the $2,500.

• 24:00Matt Farah?

  They never do.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  They probably don't know what these should be worth and they're just like, I just trying to get rid of these tires.

• 24:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, I like that, you know, the, the, I don't, it's like, it's like Joe Rogan saying Elon Musk won't fuck us because he's already so rich. He doesn't need the money. It's like that, like people that are that rich, trust me, I know, are always trying to find a way to get $12 out of somebody like me.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  Because they do it every month and for amounts that are literally $12.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Are you saying rich people want more money or power mats? More than they have? No.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  They already have everything. Why would they want more?

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:32Matt Farah?

  It's crazy.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  You can't fill a cup up more than that. Um, and then we have this little story that, uh, popped up.

• 24:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, no.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Cargo ship carrying more than 3,000 cars is now abandoned off coast of Alaska. It is on fire.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  Is this the one that was on fire like a couple of weeks ago?

• 24:51Speaker 01

  This is 10 days old. I just heard, I just heard about it and we hadn't talked about it.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, alright, got it. Yes, so I do.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  It caught fire June 3rd.

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  And this story in June 12th, it's like, it's still on fire, but it hasn't sunk yet. That's.

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  I think it took the Felicity Ace, uh, like a week or so to sink, maybe?

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 25:09Matt Farah?

  I think. Um, but yeah, I mean, if it's, if it's like a smolder, you know, that hasn't gotten, uh, like maybe they're, uh, maybe they're spreading out the EVs now in a way that, that they don't put them next to each other. So the, the, the gas powered cars break it up a little bit.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  The ship with your car sank, it said it took two weeks.

• 25:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was two weeks for the Felicity Ace to sink, huh?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  This one, it says EVs were on board, but they're not sure where the fire started.

• 25:40Matt Farah?

  I mean, is that smoke white or dark?

• 25:43Speaker 01

  It's like a light gray.

• 25:44Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  This is very, I mean, look, this is very white.

• 25:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's pretty white.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  So, I don't know, but that's, uh, that's a thing that's happening. Um, alright, so this, this bit.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  Here's a solution. We're gonna ship all EVs by air.

• 26:00Matt Farah?

  We're gonna, I just drove by Mojave. Lot of 747s sitting out there. We're gonna recommission them all. Every EV, it's coming in air, uh, Bezos.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  You make the plane electric powered. You plug the plane into the cars. You fly it, and the battery, you have the battery pack.

• 26:18Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  This actually isn't a bad idea. And then land, and then you offload the cars.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  You use the cars onboard as a reverse polarity battery pack to fly the E- electric plane.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Like the Ford Lightning.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  We gotta call somebody.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  We should.

• 26:33Matt Farah?

  Who do we call?

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Patent pending.

• 26:35Matt Farah?

  EV, do we call the EV toll people? Who do we call?

• 26:37Speaker 01

  Who's the smartest electric engineer we know?

• 26:40Matt Farah?

  I gotta call the Tegern C folks. They'll know.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  They. They'll know. They'll know why this won't work.

• 26:43Matt Farah?

  And this podcast is a record. This is as good as mailing yourself, this is live streamed. As good as mailing yourself a stamped envelope.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  With the idea in it.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  This is like if you ship lawnmowers. You just take the gas out of the lawnmower and drive around. And then you get it there, and you're like, here's your lawnmower.

• 27:01Matt Farah?

  We call engineers, we also call, are you garbage?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point, yeah. If you've ever ran a hose from your lawnmower in your truck bed into the actual gas cap. Uh, and someone surely has.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Now, wow.

• 27:14Matt Farah?

  Remember we used to roll around in Gotham with the fucking gas pump in the back of the 3500?

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, what are we, just in case?

• 27:22Matt Farah?

  For the sprint, for the, the auto process. It was shady.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole operation is, I don't wanna talk about it on the record.

• 27:31Matt Farah?

  It was the action park of, of car experiences.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, just, uh, just go past the, um, the weigh station. Just go right past it.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  That's, that's funny.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Um, alright, so, I follow a, uh, Reddit sub called Mechanics Advice. And there are two main types of content on Mechanics Advice that I love that I told Matt about. One is, people put up estimates for their cars for work being done, and they're saying, is this fair?

• 27:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Great resource.

• 28:00Matt Farah?

  That sounds like advice that you would want to get from a mechanic.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  And it's, it's a great resource for anyone who's listening. The mechanics respond quickly, they're fair, they go, well. Where do you live? Yes, that's good. No, you're getting ripped off. Get a second opinion. My other favorite content is called, "Can I Drive Like This?" And these are really the two main things. So what I've got is a little buffet for Matt.

• 28:22Matt Farah?

  Can I drive like this?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  What gets posted with, "Can I drive like this?"

• 28:25Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  And so we can play a game. You could say, "Here's what's going on. Do you think people said you can drive like this?" Or you can just look at it and enjoy. So, uh, the first one's mild.

• 28:35Matt Farah?

  Can you command plus a couple of times and make this bigger? So everyone can enjoy it. There we go.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  We got a bolt that fell off a brake caliper.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  That seems like the, a part of the caliper has exited another part of the caliper.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:50Matt Farah?

  That's called a floating caliper.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  And I love, so many of them are like, "I heard a noise." Because of course we do. Floating caliper is a good joke. I didn't mean to do that. It is good.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Heard a noise and kept going.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  So this person like, "Can I drive like this to a shop 10 miles away? Our speed limits are 45 miles per hour."

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Top response, "Uh, no way. You're gonna fuck something up. Get a tow." 956 upvotes.

• 29:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Love it. Right?

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's a, that's a tow truck. Oh, wait, there's a second picture, though. Is the second, is this in the slideshow, is it? Is there a better image that maybe better describe? Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah. The entire caliper has come off.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Here's where the brake pad was. And it is, for people who are listening, there's all the rotor is showing. The pad, the, the caliper is basically banging. It's gonna hang against the wheel.

• 29:43Matt Farah?

  No, hang on. Is that rotor showing? Or is the, the brake pad stuck to the rotor and the caliper has come off the pad?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  This, to me, looks like polished rotor.

• 29:56Matt Farah?

  I don't know. There's a texture change there. It looks like, yeah. I don't know. My, my, Zach has gotten up to, to get a close, he's literally walked up to the TV like your uncle. I think the, no, I think what's happened there is that the pad has stuck to the rotor and the caliper has ejected over the pad, off the pad.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Because this, the caliper's hanging against the wheel.

• 30:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  And then the pad is gonna go, as it spins around.

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, no. Here's the bit. The bit is, we have to come up with the noise that we think they heard, based on the photo. That's the actual bit. Okay. This I hear, I think was, ka-chank!

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's pretty good. I think with the wheel, let's see, the wheel's spinning counterclockwise, probably.

• 30:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think it's like, I think it's like grinding into the inside of the wheel.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, or the wheel is kicking the caliper against the rotor, then it falls back. So it's like

• 30:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  And then they stopped.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Oh, Matt's right. Okay, next one.

• 31:04Matt Farah?

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• 35:45Speaker 01

  This is a good little mystery one. Someone says-

• 35:48Matt Farah?

  Can I drive like this? I noticed this the other day. I know it's, keep going down. I know, I know it's a pretty urgent fix to protect the suspension, but what is the risk if I drive it to work until payday? One-hour commute on curvy roads.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  What we're looking at is the bushing where a control arm connects to, I guess, the subframe.

• 36:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're looking at where a bushing once was.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:10Matt Farah?

  I think.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Little bit of, little bit of too much space where the bushing should be. What do you think?

• 36:14Matt Farah?

  I think the bushing looks a lot like a chanterelle mushroom, not like a fucking suspension bushing.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:22Matt Farah?

  It looks like something I'd find at the farmer's market and put in a pasta with garlic.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's like the inner cloves of garlic. You know, it's no longer a bulb. It's more vertical.

• 36:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you take a solo garlic clove-

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:37Matt Farah?

  And put it in a broiler for a couple of minutes, that's what you've got here.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Right, so you got, and, and of course, the control arm is very round, like the mounting point, so you, I don't think you have enough bushing there. Now, do you think they said you can drive or you can't drive?

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  I think that they said that you can drive, but it will be terrible.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  I think you're right. If I recall.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  They said-

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I mean, that's just a stupid joke.

• 37:00Matt Farah?

  Completely drivable. This is the, is this the most, are we sorted by most? By best comment?

• 37:07Speaker 01

  I think it just, I think, yeah, it's auto sorted, I think.

• 37:09Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  So 51 upvotes.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  Completely drivable. You will hear a clunk when accelerating and braking. You should absolutely repair it. Yes. But you can, but you can drive on it.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  I think you can drive on it. It will just be awful.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  It'll just clunk around a bit. And they're like, you've made it this far.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  So do you remember, Zach, let's go back to 09, 010 for a minute.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  When I moved to Los Angeles, we, I, I had, I shipped my Corvette. My C5. And, and I drove across the country in my girlfriend Tracy's Volvo XC70 Cross Country. Do you remember that car?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  It was the first gen Cross Country. It was actually an amazing car. It had, to this day, some of the best seats I've ever sat in. And even when we left New York, this motherfucker had no bushings in it. None. And we drove all the way across the country and every.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  And it was just, oh, and we finally got here. And remember that place in Hermosa Beach, the Swedish Pro Tech?

• 38:19Speaker 01

  No, but okay.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  If you're, if you're Swedish and a mechanic, you, I guess, are contractually obliged to only work on all Swedish cars.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:27Matt Farah?

  And so it's a good Volvo shop. We took it there and they gave us a bill for suspension. It was like $7,500. You know, the car was worth like three grand. So I was like, Trace, you're gonna drive this until you can't take it anymore and then to the scrapper.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, until you get a concussion from gung, gung, gung, gung.

• 38:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Suspension labor is, or suspension repairs, it's just a lot of labor. Especially if you have to get a torch. Alright.

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, what part is this? Is it safe to drive? It is a very torn CV boot or axle boot?

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Lot of rust around it also. I mean, it's rust belt, folks.

• 39:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, car looks generally shitty, but there's a hole about the size of a golf ball in the boot.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Is it safe to drive? I mean, I would say it's safe to drive like. To the shop, but it's only gonna get more expensive to fix the longer you drive on it.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  I agree. I think it's fine, but it will obviously, there's a boot on there for a reason. And if you leave it off, it will cause a problem. But what do people say? Safe to drive? Should be changed soon.

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, I'm glad that idiot me is at least agreeing with the top of the thing. I don't think that will really make a noise, except, I don't know, maybe if you're steering just a little, like some grindy, sort of like there's sand in there if the grease is gone or something.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  So, alright, now the last two are my favorites, because one is called Neighborhood Found This.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Neighbor Found This In My Driveway.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, my neighbor, so, okay, so this person left their home.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  Went three hours away and a bit of...

• 40:09Speaker 01

  And they got a text from their neighbor that's like, "Hey, found this coiled thing sitting in your driveway.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Can I drive the car? Assuming its rear spring's not sure."

• 40:20Matt Farah?

  Wow, and it looks like one coil from a coil spring.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:27Matt Farah?

  I have a question.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:29Matt Farah?

  How would just that part of your coil spring come off your car?

• 40:34Speaker 01

  I don't know. I've read further down on this and it's not...

• 40:37Matt Farah?

  Are there theories?

• 40:38Speaker 01

  It happens to people.

• 40:39Matt Farah?

  It does?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  Shit.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  I would probably not, oh, three hours from home.

• 40:52Matt Farah?

  I'd feel it out. I would feel it out. I would, I would drive the car incredibly gently. And I would take exceptional care, and if it felt weird for like, a second, I would stop, but I would probably try to baby it home and get it fixed when I got home.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Okay, let's see.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  Top comment 600, make sure nothing's rubbing on the inside wall of your tire first. That's very good advice. I recently had something similar and it carved a large groove into the side wall of my brand new tire. That's, uh, that is very good advice, actually. That spring may have cut your shit up.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  This is so funny.

• 41:32Matt Farah?

  No worries, in the winter, cars in the wild shed unnecessary parts. That's funny.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Alright, so here's the first, I love this. You drove it three hours already and didn't notice. You're likely fine to get three hours back, 67 up.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  I think on the last show, um, on the last show, were we talking about Affliction shirts before or after we went live?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  It was off air, I think.

• 41:54Matt Farah?

  It was off air?

• 41:54Speaker 01

  I think it was.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  But the girl that bought me the Affliction shirt, her car, she had a first year Kia Rio. And it was six years old or seven years old by the time that I dated her. And you've never seen anything fall apart like this. Now granted, she was not capable of taking care of a car. And she lived in the Bronx and street parked it, but like, like, things were just like falling off it, like, all the time. And she would drive it like it was a regular ass car. And I got in it once and I was like, whoa, like, you need to be fucking careful, cause like, this is gonna happen and this is gonna happen. And she's like, what? And I was like, this car is days from falling apart, dude.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  And she was like, she just, I think it was like her obliviousness to it that somehow kept it together.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  The belief. That's like, uh, that's very, um, what am I thinking of? Like Wizard of Oz or something like that. It's like she wished it into existence.

• 42:56Matt Farah?

  Like, if you believe it.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  And I got in this car and it was burning oil through the shifter boot.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Jesus. Imagine the smell behind her. Yeah, the oil dripping on the exhaust coming up through the shift boot.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  And she would have to add a half a quart of trans fluid every two days.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  What? Every two days?

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  I was like, have you done the math on what you're doing? It's so crazy. All of it was crazy.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  More than, that's more often than gas.

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  She married a guy who looks exactly like me with one key difference. He's a fucking cop.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Makes sense. Uh, let's see.

• 43:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, someone said, "My dad's old Toyota had a broken spring and we didn't know for three years."

• 43:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  I guess it just happens.

• 43:54Matt Farah?

  That's crazy. I've never heard of that just happening, but yeah, I mean, yeah. Drive it home, but get that looked at.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  No, that's the last one. Alright. This is one of my favorites.

• 44:04Matt Farah?

  Oh. Oh wow. It looks, holy shit.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Look how much metal is hanging down from this vehicle.

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Is that like, it's like subframe? It's like, is that a...

• 44:16Speaker 01

  I think it's, no, I think it's the knuckle.

• 44:18Matt Farah?

  The knuckle?

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I think it's the knuckle.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  It's an entire knuckle?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  We actually had a similar problem in our cars too. I think the whole knuckle came out from the, from the wheel.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  Oh my god.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  And it's, and I think, right, like, cause that's, that's the front, well, that's the shock mount going to

• 44:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  The knuckle.

• 44:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And the shock is just fully extended, cause there's nothing holding it in.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  And they said they just went to the shop and had, and they had new shocks put on, new pads, and then they drove. I've been hearing an odd rattle ever since.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, no, no, but don't, the rattle isn't this. The next sentence is, "I drove over a bump and heard something break loose." So, I'm guessing whatever bolt holds that knuckle in was not tightened correctly, and...

• 45:00Speaker 01

  It was rattling.

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  Backed itself out. The washer was rattling, and then it went, "Ka-ching!"

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Is, is this car safe to drive?

• 45:08Matt Farah?

  The shop is half a mile away. Is the car safe? Yes. A half a mile? I would, you wouldn't drive that for half a mile? I would unbolt the knuckle from the shock, if I could.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 45:20Speaker 01

  I would, here's why I wouldn't do that. Cause if I'm gonna go back to the shop and say, "Hey, this shit wasn't tightened."

• 45:24Matt Farah?

  Fair.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  And I also wouldn't drive it half, the half mile, cause they might say, "Well, it might have happened, you drove it or something." I just, that's why I would do it, for legal reasons.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  That's true. And if you have like triple, and a half mile tow is gonna be short.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. It'll take longer to hook it up.

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  The driver would be like annoyed, probably.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I think they still get paid, so.

• 45:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, I...

• 45:47Speaker 01

  You're right, it is such short distance.

• 45:48Matt Farah?

  But that is short enough where the driver would be like, "Why didn't you drive this?" Um, I would, and actually, the first, if you're half a mile from the shop.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Just walks over there.

• 45:59Matt Farah?

  This mechanic, I'd fuck it, that's, I'd walk over there.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  Come over here, yeah.

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  That's a move.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the move.

• 46:05Matt Farah?

  On foot.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  He's, this, the first thing says, "Call the shop and have them handle it." But if you show up on foot and go, "My shit is a half a mile from here," you go fucking get it.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Cause your thing fell apart. Yeah, that's the move.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  And they also, 2000 upvotes, said, "I would not drive it, cause your shock is at risk of damaging the tire." Good point.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, yes, no, that's true.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Cause it's gonna bounce around.

• 46:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no, that is, that is a good piece of advice. But like, without thinking it necessarily through in terms of like, evidence gathering against the shop, I'm thinking like, I would, in a just-get-it-there mindset, a half a mile, at like, 10 miles an hour, I would, I would do it with that and risk the tire.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  That's true, you'd probably be alright.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  And even if you got a flat tire, I'd fucking, just fucking YOLO it, the rest of the way.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Alright, and then, and we can skip these if we're done with this, but the last one.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  Funny bit.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  So this is someone.

• 46:59Matt Farah?

  Okay, this is a dashboard.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Their dash.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  Wait, can we guess the car?

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Uh, you can, I've already read further down, so you can guess the car.

• 47:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, you know what kinda car this is?

• 47:08Speaker 01

  But what, we're looking at a gauge cluster, and in the middle it says, "Service Transmission, Continue in D, Do not shift or turn engine off."

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  Is this an 86? No.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  It's not, okay.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  I'll tell you that. Look at the scroll work on the bezel, on the bezel of the gauge.

• 47:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it looks like a Chrysler Crossfire scroll work.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  You're closer.

• 47:26Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 47:26Speaker 01

  It's a Chrysler product.

• 47:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. Um, uh, yeah, now that I see the font, you're totally right, it is a Chrysler product. Okay, go, this is very funny. Uh, go back, it's a, it's a big warning light, uh, on a Chrysler, a heavily scroll, is this got a, it's gotta be like a Laramie. It's gotta be like a Ram fucking Laramie or something, or Lariat, some western ass shit. Yeah, Texas edition fucking junk.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  All the scroll work, this is very, uh, what's the word I'm looking for, like tribal tat- speaking of affliction, this is like the barbed wire tattoo of gauges.

• 48:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they tried to do western and ended up at affliction accidentally, that's really funny. It says, "Service Transmission, Continue in Drive, Do not Shift or Turn Engine Off."

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Um, so.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  But then it also says.

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  It also says until you, oh, until you reach a desired location, you may not be able to shift again until service. So it's stuck in drive.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:22Matt Farah?

  What's really funny to me about this is the fuel range, which is 53 miles. So you have a limited amount of time to solve this problem.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're averaging 10 miles per gallon. That can go pretty, pretty far. 134,000 miles on this vehicle.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Ram 1500, there we go.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  5.7.

• 48:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  They heard a big clunk.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  And it wouldn't shift out of first.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Oh, this is funny. They, and they left alone for six hours, came back, turned it on, no warnings.

• 48:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, this is a software problem. I mean, this is.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Might be a software problem.

• 49:00Matt Farah?

  When you leave it off for a few hours, there's a, there's, there's a, there's a soft restart and there's a hard restart for your codes. Like a soft restart is probably like two minutes and a hard, this is with Porsche. I don't, I mean, who knows, but my guess is six hours is enough for a hard restart.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 49:20Matt Farah?

  But, yeah.

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:29Matt Farah?

  So, uh.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Drivers are the closest mechanic is what most people say.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  I, I mean, I would, I wouldn't, I wouldn't not take that advice seriously. I would definitely take that advice seriously.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, this is a good point.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  No, the warning on the dash I would take seriously.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  They say anything that sets limp mode is potentially severe. Very good point.

• 49:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, most people, yeah, the eight, the eight speed transmissions aren't great. This is just the funnest sub in the fucking world.

• 49:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yep. That's very shitty and very fun for us. We should keep doing that. Should we talk about the Alpine?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  The A110. God damn. This is fucking, that is a delightful automobile. There's a photo on Instagram if you scroll down a little bit.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:14Matt Farah?

  There it is.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, in, in my driveway with my van.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  Nobody understood the metaphor in my driveway, by the way, was that they were immigrants.

• 50:27Matt Farah?

  They're from other countries, but that's okay because it was happening the day of the things.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Ah, okay.

• 50:31Matt Farah?

  It was the day, yeah, it was the day Sergio was on the podcast.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 50:34Matt Farah?

  Um, so the Alpine, uh, what an automobile.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  So great.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, and maybe, do you, do you have handy the email from David Twig that, uh, was after we drove it? That had, is that handy or not really?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  I can get it.

• 50:51Matt Farah?

  Don't worry about it. Um, but, uh, 2,450 pounds, right? Uh, 246 horsepower, so basically, uh, you know, 100 horsepower, uh, how's that work? Whatever it is, I don't know. It's, it's, it feels way faster than that power number would suggest. Um, it has a very wide torque band, um, and a, and a, and a really nice shifting, um, dual clutch gearbox, uh, and it really, uh, it annoys me how successful they were.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, it annoys me not because they were successful at it because no one else really seems to have been able to master this. To create a very lightweight, yet incredibly comfortable and spacious, but also small on the outside.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 51:47Matt Farah?

  A car that can really do pretty much everything. Um, other than hold, uh,

• 51:56Speaker 01

  A carry-on.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  A carry-on.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Other than holding a rolling carry-on, I should say.

• 51:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  You can hold a...

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Um, it has, uh, some, some, you'd have to have the odd shaped or soft luggage, but I don't care. Because, uh, when you have a light car and a rigid chassis, you can make the suspension very soft and it will still handle well and it will like sail over undulations in the road. And you don't need to have fancy suspension because being lightweight is enough. And then that drives, when it's light, then it doesn't need wide tires. And when you have narrow tires, you have amazing steering feel. And then... Because it's light, you don't need like all this other shit and it just like you don't need big brakes. So that reduces the rotating mass and you don't need big wheels. It's like it's everything.

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  The more you take away, the more you can take away.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  It's like compound interest, but for lightweight stuff and that's what's great. It just feeds itself, removes all of these. Problems, when you add the weight in the car, you have to solve that weight problem with more tire or whatever. And now it's going the other direction. It's fantastic.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  What is, can you look up the Amira four cylinder weighs? Because I don't remember. I looked it up at some point, but it's.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  So here's the email. This is his first email and then there's, that's his reply if you want it.

• 53:14Matt Farah?

  Okay. You know, I asked, I asked for that, but I definitely don't need it in hindsight. I'm sorry. I thought I did, but now I didn't. You do have to give up a couple of things. There aren't cup holders. Uh, there is no real in cabin storage and if I owned one. I would find someone to make me some kind of cup holder because I am a heathen who likes coffee while I drive as.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  There, I think he said.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  See last episode.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  There's like an add on cup holder you can get. I think like the NSX thing. I don't know where, I don't know where it lives, but it lives, you can get one and you can get the little. Kangaroo pouch behind the drivers and there's that little shelf below, um, the. Uh, Amira AMG weighs thirty one eighty din.

• 54:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, so this is, let's call it conservatively six hundred pounds lighter than that.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:08Matt Farah?

  That's, that's so much for a car that is ultimately targeting the same kind of customer.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  It's like the Amira with no engine or transmission, right? That's serious weight savings.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, and, and it just. The, the way that this thing flows up a canyon is, in my opinion, like joyous. You know what I mean? Like you just, it's, it does every right thing.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  Which is annoying, because we can't, because I'd buy that fucking today.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  It has, it has so many of the good qualities of a Cayman, but it's Miata size. The suspension is so good. I mean, the suspension, this double wishbone thing, we've talked about this before, like, you can't get that under a hundred thousand dollars, except on, and the Mir is a hundred thousand dollars. You know, with Porsche products, you only get double wishbone front, not all, not all around, and it's on GT3 money. So, and it's really magical shit. I mean, also, I think the Type R uses that stuff, and it just, the tire sticks better, the suspension's soft. I can't get over how spacious the car is and how nice, meaning luxurious, it feels inside.

• 55:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this one was the GT1, which I think is the most luxurious of them with the brown, you know, Sebel leather seats. It's, I mean, it's the one, I'd like to have those seats. I very much enjoyed those leather seats. David and others, Ben who owns this car, Ben C. from France, and David, who is the project manager for this entire vehicle line,

• 55:47Matt Farah?

  both said, what you want is the base car, possibly with the GT. They said, you know, there's the S, which is faster and stiffer, and then the R, which is faster and stiffer than that. The purpose of the car is the base car. And he said, he's like, I wish, David was like, I wish you drove it in the wet, you know, which we won't get to do, unfortunately, but it was fucking, it was great in the dry.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 56:12Matt Farah?

  I had to put it down at South Bay, otherwise I would drive it again.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  It's, I can't, I would, I would, I would be driving it constantly. And also, it's on 20,000 kilometer tires, and they're fine. And they've done like multiple track days, like, when the car's that light, you don't, you don't go through tires.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Right, there's less pressure on the tire, and the tire has a good compound, the same compound it would use if you put on a new Mustang GT. But it weighs 1,800 pounds less, or whatever, 1,300 pounds less, so the tires are gonna last a lot longer. It's fucking awesome. Looks, profile's great, looks so good from the back, looks like, kind of exotic.

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  It's funny, some people really noticed it, and other people, like, car people, nerds, went nuts, and nobody else gives a shit. No one else, oh, that's kind of interesting, whatever, moving on about your, about your day.

• 57:00Matt Farah?

  But like the, you know, some cars, you can get the vibe in like a hundred feet. You get in it and you start it and you and you just pull away and you get in a hundred feet. I understood this car was gonna be amazing. I pulled it out of the basement of here, out the back. And by the time I was halfway up the block, I was like, oh shit, this is gonna be something. You could just feel the in the the lack of loss in the powertrain. You can feel that right away.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:31Matt Farah?

  You can, you can feel in first gear in a hundred feet that like, oh, I can feel that there's nothing. That's there's no slop in this at all. You put it in D and it's connected.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 57:44Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, the transmission's good.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's really good.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  This dual clutch is very nice.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  Multiple people said, oh, we're so much better with a manual, we're so much better with a manual. If they offered a manual, I would, I would be, I would prefer that just because it's what I like. But like, I don't, I don't have any complaints about this existing product at all.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  I agree. I think it's such a subjective question. Uh, our friend Art asked me that today and I was like, anyone who prefers manuals will always prefer a manual. You know, you're, you're almost never going to convince them that paddles are better unless it's like a proper race car. But what, so what I'll say is that for a dual clutch, this is a very good dual clutch that listens to you. It gives you the gear if it can. And if it, if it can't give you the gear, the little gauge wiggles and it's like, ah, no, you can't have that right now. Which is a very cool little detail they do. Uh, so, and then you're just allowed to steer and use the amazing steering. That is so good, better than Cayman in my opinion, and just enjoy the thing, you know?

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my car, the steering is much heavier in my car to, I don't even think deliver the same result. I think the weight in my, I don't think my car turns in as like this car does. I think, I think what really surprised me the most is like, you know, how much, how much like just as much fun the Alpine was as my car? Like my car is like double the fucking power, uh, if not more than double the power. And yeah, it weighs, uh, 600 pounds more, but double the power, it should, you know, and manual, but like actually. When you're going through a series of S's, the Alpine is was better than my car.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Well, because series of S's, you're pretty much constant throttle, right? So then what what's gonna shine is agility, which is really gonna be based on weight.

• 59:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  And you're and you're both mid-engine cars.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  So the.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  But even up on the mountain, there's just, there's not a lot of places where the my power to weight advantage matters versus the ability to go.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  Like just soup. I mean, my car is one of the best cars on the market for that.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:47Matt Farah?

  That's what people go, what's a really agile handling sports car for the road? Seven one eight spider.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  It's like, that's like the go to.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 59:54Matt Farah?

  Fucking not if you driven this.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  What is the front? What's the width of your front tires? Do you know?

• 1:00:02Matt Farah?

  I wanna say two fifty five.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Okay, the Alpine's two oh five.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  So it's a lot easier. So it's huge difference, but it's a lot easier to turn that tire.

• 1:00:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  Whereas you have to, you have to overcome all that forward momentum and get it to rotate. I mean, all those little things add up so much.

• 1:00:17Matt Farah?

  What's the rear on the Alpine?

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Uh, two thirty five. This is from, this is from a new GT. So may, ours might have been different, but that's the spec I have right now.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  Probably the same. So it's two thirty fives. Yeah. So the rears aren't even as wide as my fronts.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you probably have more maximum grip, sure, but that's not what this thing's about.

• 1:00:34Matt Farah?

  Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, actually, I think I probably do. And that, that may, in terms of fun, like, not be good. Like, I actually, I, I may have more fun getting this to move around at a lower level of grip. I don't know. I, it's, it's annoying that you can't buy this here. It really is.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Matt Farah?

  Cause it's so great.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Matt Farah?

  And I'd buy one in fucking in two seconds. It was so great.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  It's rad. And, and I think it looks awesome, too. And the blue, it looks great. Silver is pretty good.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, I probably wouldn't choose silver. Um.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Blue on tan? Oh, I'd rock that.

• 1:01:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, that's all right. Um, and it rode, it rides nice on the highway. It's, it's an easy car to use. I mean, it even, you just have to, uh, you can't have big, uh, big suitcases. That's all. But like, when, when like, so we, I criticized, we criticized the Roma a couple of weeks ago, the Ferrari Roma for, for not being able to fit normal sized suitcases.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yep, true.

• 1:01:29Matt Farah?

  I feel like, I, I think it's really says something where I would put up with that, no problem for the Alpine, and in the Ferrari, I'm like, nah. I'm gonna need to fit my bags in here. But with the Alpine, it's, the experience is so good to drive that, alright, fine, you want me to weird, bring weird luggage, like, okay.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Do you think that's because the focus of the Alpine is, you see it as like sporty driving, whereas the Roma you see as a GT car?

• 1:01:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, kind of.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  So it's supposed to be a travel.

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a travel friendly car, yeah. And, yeah, by the way, fucking Ben C drove the Alpine across the country.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 1:02:10Matt Farah?

  He drove it for four weeks, so clearly, somebody can travel with it.

• 1:02:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's just, it's not very, uh, storage friendly.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  It's not, which is like, I was gonna say, you know, for listeners, if they go to Europe, and you can rent one, you fucking should. But you should also know that it might not be a multi-day trip type of car.

• 1:02:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, go rent one for a day in Switzerland.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Just rent one for a day.

• 1:02:33Matt Farah?

  And then, you know, go back to your BMW 318 Touring, or whatever it is.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should.

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  But that, that car really, and it's, it's, it's fuel efficient, you know? It sounds great on the inside, but it doesn't sound offensive on the outside. Uh, you don't get quite as much turbo whoosh as you get from the Amira with the four cylinder, but I think the tone of the engine is, is actually fabulous. It sounds really nice.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  It does, and Motor Trend got 41 miles per gallon highway on a new GT, Alpine GT. Wow.

• 1:03:08Matt Farah?

  A ga- a gas engine, a light aerodynamic car, I mean, that car is fun as hell, and they're getting 41?

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  That's like, better than a new GR86, but it has, the engine has way more guts.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  David, uh, said if it wasn't for that pesky something, something test, we would have been able to sell it in the US. So I think there is a good reason that it wasn't, uh, wait, there, um... Uh, where, where was that? Go, go, uh, it was the most recent email, uh, down there. Um, oh, there we go. Uh, hang on, hang on, hang on. I can only apologize to your listeners that we did not manage to federalize it. We really did try. If it had not been for that pesky unbelted crash law, then we would have.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  I don't know a lot about the unbelted crash law. Um, but I, I believe he's telling the truth. But I guess there's some kind of test that the car won't pass. Um, I don't know why that is, but that's a bummer. Um, and maybe, I don't know. It's not rare enough to show and display. And I don't know if it'll be as relevant in 25 years when they're legal. Or 20 years, because the first cars are 2017s. Um, but goddamn, if you can go to Europe and drive one, uh, they are fucking sweet.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Or make friends with Ben. Every listener, just make friends with Ben.

• 1:04:34Matt Farah?

  And everyone who's listening to this show, not on the live stream right now, um, on, on Wednesday or later, you, or Thursday or later, you will have, uh, the videos going up tomorrow, right?

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  I thought it was supposed to go up today, so.

• 1:04:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, I think I made an oopsie.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  I think you oopsied.

• 1:04:49Matt Farah?

  I think I oopsied.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, it's gonna go up.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  It'll be up tomorrow at 9 a.m.

• 1:04:53Matt Farah?

  It'll be up tomorrow now. Whoops.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  But if you're a Patreon member, you've already seen it.

• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  If you're a Patreon member, it's up now.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  You watched it days ago.

• 1:05:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, and speaking of which, uh, patrons, uh, scooped up, uh, 40 of the green, uh, notice canyons, uh, appreciate that, including about 10 folks that are getting all five and have now bought four of the five. Um, but the, um, it's now available for the public, remaining units, uh, of the green.

• 1:05:24Matt Farah?

  Are up on a notices website under the design lab tab. And actually, the there are a few units of the night sky still available as well. That one's funny, they the notice guys were they were like dark blue, it's the most popular color. Um, and it turned out, uh, I mean, we did sell a lot of them, but it wasn't, it was not as runaway success as either minty or orange.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:05:49Matt Farah?

  Um, and I like the green a lot, the green is the green is for all seasons, it looks great. And of course, um, do you want it a green, right? Okay.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll do a green.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  I will get you, it's 15 years, my treat.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  It's gonna match my car.

• 1:06:02Matt Farah?

  It's it's my treat, absolutely, it will match your BMW. Um, and then, of course, we've got, uh, the Tahitian black mother of pearl, which is the last release, it'll be out in about two weeks, patrons first, 50 units only. And it's a little more expensive.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:06:16Matt Farah?

  Sorry about that, but it's a little more expensive to make.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  You gotta dive to get the material.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  We had to murder so many oysters, you guys.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need a mask, snorkel.

• 1:06:25Matt Farah?

  We had to, I murder more oysters the average day at the Redondo Beach seafood market than to make these watches.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, yeah, cuz you probably eat what, 20 and a six?

• 1:06:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, crushing them.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  We gotta go down there. Some fucking oysters.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  I I could, oysters for me, sure.

• 1:06:40Matt Farah?

  No, it's a Thaddeus move, it's me and Thaddeus.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  I'll go and then I'll eat.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  Lobster, crabs, do we do that?

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I'll eat crab or lobster, sure.

• 1:06:47Matt Farah?

  So you like a cooked shellfish?

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I've had oysters, I haven't smoked, they're good, but like, when you start putting stuff on them, actually.

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  The grilled oyster, grilled oysters are rad.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. When you. Sarah and I went to a nice restaurant and had the best oyster I've ever had in my life.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Again, it was like they put a nice thing on it and it tasted mostly like the thing.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to this weird tasting thing called F and F and bar. Uh, and it was like a weird pairing menu, like 20 courses. And, uh, there is some very interesting cocktail combinations. Um, yeah, let's go to the people, though. The people, oh, wait, before we go to the people.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:07:22Matt Farah?

  Live show dates, official.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:24Matt Farah?

  T S T live with Christian James Hand, uh, live and in person, uh, July 24th at the shop in Houston, July 25th. Fifth at the shop in Dallas. Uh, in the next, I think 24 hours, I will have a ticket link. Uh, to buy tickets. Fortunately, the shop is handling all that for us. Um, I think there's about 200 seats. You do not need to be a member of the shop to go. Uh, there's food and beverage on site. Uh, bring out your car. It's gonna be a fucking fun time. Christian and, and, and you get to see Christian James Hand live, which in my opinion, if, when I pitched this to Christian, I wanted him to headline.

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  I was like, and he was like, no, this is the Smoking Tire Podcast with Christian. I was like, yeah, but your show is so much better than mine. You should, I'm, I'm happy to open for you. And he's like, no. So Christian's gonna open for us and then he's gonna join us. Uh, for a part of our show. But, um, you get a double feature and, and Christian's gonna fucking bring out the big guns for our audience, which is gonna be really, really fun. So July 24th and 25th in Texas, we're coming to you. Uh, let's go to the people at patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. Where you get the live show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get the show without ads. It's where you get extra show, um, and, and other things, things like watches. I'm just giving them away over here. Let's see.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, these are leftovers from two days ago? Yep, we had so many. Okay, we had so many. Uh, I still can't, I guess glasses off for the TV is the way to go. Yellow lead footer. That I very much like. That is a really nice, uh, contraction there. And, um, I'm pro your username. Would there be any unique automobiles that aren't hypercars that you wish we could bring back from the dead? Uh, for example, I used to own a BMW I3 and loved it. Hundred percent. Yeah, I3 and the Volt. Why Chevy doesn't bring back the Volt, uh, is crazy to me. Um, the I3, all they had to do.

• 1:09:33Matt Farah?

  I mean, I say this like it's easy and I'm sure a bunch of people can tell me why it's not, but because they were calling it a.

• 1:09:42Matt Farah?

  Electri- uh, uh, uh, they, the class, they classified it as like an assisted EV.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Right, range extended.

• 1:09:49Matt Farah?

  Range extended EV and not as a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid. I don't know if, how that moved the needle on the papers or not. But all they had to do was put a bigger fucking gas tank in it.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:59Matt Farah?

  So the range, so the gas could go further.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  It's a great car.

• 1:10:02Matt Farah?

  Other than that, like, no notes. They should, they absolutely should have made that car again.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Carbon monocoque, right?

• 1:10:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Rear-wheel drive, funky little things.

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  Um, I would love.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Launches Stratos.

• 1:10:14Matt Farah?

  The Stratos.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Redo the Stratos.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  A new Stratos.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Barely change it. It's so, so good-looking.

• 1:10:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, that is a fucking good one. Um, I would lo- I'd love the, the Morgan Aero Supersports to continue. Um, the, the, the more, I really love the Morgan Aero series of cars. I think they're real. The later ones, but the early ones can be a little awkward. The later ones are really good-looking and I love those. Gin in Taconic State Parkway. Oh, wait. Didn't we already do this? We did this with $2 million.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Matt Farah?

  We, we already did that one. I think we did it with more fun money. Enrico Palazzo says, "I drive 40,000 years mostly on the interstate." And we have experience.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  40,000 miles per year.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  What did I say?

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  You said, "He drives 40,000 years."

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  Just, "He drives 40,000 miles a year, uh, on the interstate." Uh, "What is your experience with SuperCruise and BlueCruise?" My experience has been very good with both.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Matt Farah?

  But better with SuperCruise.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Than Blue.

• 1:11:21Matt Farah?

  BlueCruise is Ford.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've used SuperCruise only a few times and I was very impressed.

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, it, I was less impressed with it in my 2021 Mustang Electric than I was in a newer vehicle that I used it in, that was like a 2024.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  So make of that what you will. Every time I've used Blue Cruise, I've been impressed. Um, going back, I used it. I used it for almost an hour on the interstate with no interventions. And I was very impressed at the smoothness and the lane centering. And my mother was in the car and didn't even notice that I wasn't steering.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  I was very impressed with Blue Cruise. Um, but yeah, they're both essentially the same technology. Um, and I think we both have a little bit limited experience. It's not science, but.

• 1:12:17Matt Farah?

  P car photos. Tips for protecting a car from the SoCal sun. Um, I've started to notice some minor cracking and fading on the window seals of my 2019 SI. Um, there are some products that you can use that can sort of rejuvenate those rubbers.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Matt Farah?

  Larry sells.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Larry might sell one.

• 1:12:38Matt Farah?

  Hang on, I'll grab one of these waters.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  I just bought a new product that I found from Reddit. It was like detailers were saying this was the most effective. And it was neither Larry nor Chemical Guys. It was like a different vinyl plastic refresher. But my advice, because my car lived outside for six years and the paint went from fine to fucked. And the, and paint shops told me like the UV here is very intense. Get a cover.

• 1:13:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Get it if you can and no one will steal it or mess it up. Just get like, cover it if you can. Park it under a cover if you can, or get a car cover.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  D I L L space D O E, dildo, says, uh, I don't think I'll be able to afford my dream car, which is a Gen 1 Ford GT, and dildo is absolutely right. Would a manual V8 R8 with budget to supercharge and convert to rear wheel drive give a similar driving experience? Any other options of manual mid-engine cars that give a similar experience around 100K?

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  My first question is, how tied are you to the V8? Because buying, it's one thing if you, excuse me, already have a V8, R8, and you go, "I love this car, but I want more power," and you supercharge it. It's another if you're starting from scratch, and you go, "I'm gonna buy a V8 car and supercharge it." Just buy the V10. If you want an R8, just, just get a V10. And like, a stick-shift R8 V10 is fabulous.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:14:06Matt Farah?

  But to buy a V8, R8, get the blower, get it installed, you know, versus to buy the other car and keep it stock, you know, money in, money out, it's a much better deal, and you're talking about budgets here. So, I would just get the V10 and accept that it's not a Ford GT.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  And I, I drove an R8 V8 two years ago. Cool, sound, great-looking car, it's such, it was first-gen, but like, the steering was the biggest letdown.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  And the steering in the Ford GT is fabulous.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Right. And then the steering in the, in the later V10 R8's got much better, especially like, the, was the, uh, performance one, that trim, like, if you can, get the, get the newer car, because the EPS was better.

• 1:14:48Matt Farah?

  You know why the Ford GT had such good steering? The rack was out of the first-gen Focus. They tried like, hundreds of different steering racks, and that was just the best one.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  So get a first-gen, this person can get a first-gen Focus?

• 1:15:01Matt Farah?

  You get a first-gen Focus, then you have part of a Ford GT.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, or, or, maybe, listen to me, you could get a 2011 Shelby GT500, and have a Ford GT engine.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:15:18Matt Farah?

  And it will sound a lot like a Ford GT.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you will also have a Mustang.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  You'll also have a Mustang, but like, this is where we're at.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Get the R8. Just save, save an extra year.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Remember this person's question from last week?

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, right. Yeah.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, they asked about a car for an assistant superintendent in a conservative district. Teacher pulls up with a red Mach-E. Must be nice to have the money to buy a fancy liberal show car, someone says. An opportunity to have EV chargers installed came up and it got pulled off the table before the conversation started. We don't do electric cars here. God, that's so weird.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this person's like, I'm gonna go shop for a GR Corolla or a Type S. Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is.

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  Did, oh man, we got, I've been kicking this one for three weeks. Did you see in fucking Trump's budget bill? That they snuck in a thing to kill CAFE?

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  I heard about it, yeah.

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, did you see how they did it?

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  No. Oh, you can explain, yeah.

• 1:16:27Matt Farah?

  So basically, they can't change the CAFE fuel economy standards. Like, the only thing Trump can get past with a simple majority is the budget. That's it. He won't be able to do fuck all else, because he needs a true majority, right? Or the two-thirds majority.

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  So anyway, they're finding creative ways to fuck with the budget in order to back-channel getting rid of things they don't like. So they don't like CAFE regulations, basically like fuel economy standards. Why having clean air and efficient cars is political is, it's a crazy thing, but it's like lobbyist money and all kinds of shit. And, and also like owning the libs or whatever. But, basically, all they did was set, there's like a number of violations, like if your company sells, for every car you build that doesn't meet the standard, there's a number,

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  it's three pennies, two dollars assigned to it. There's then a multiplication factor that gets you to a fine. They basically just set the multiplication factor to zero.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:40Matt Farah?

  So, you still have to do all the math. You still have to submit a report. You still have violated the CAFE standards, and they will send you a bill for zero. Cool. It's nice to have government that works. That isn't just like, literally trying to pull scams.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  It's very creative.

• 1:18:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you gotta respect a scam artist for being creative.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  I do in a way, but also, you know, it's like, we need more revenue. If the government wants revenue, and they won't tax billionaires, they go, alright, well, here's revenue that will, we're being multiplied by zero now. But they want, they were thinking about trying to sell a bunch of public land. Which, they've pulled off the table in Utah, thank God, and I don't know if it's getting pulled off nationally, but the pushback, I mean, from everyone.

• 1:18:28Matt Farah?

  People like parks. It turns out parks aren't political.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Well, like, shout out, like, Cameron Haynes, who, you know, famous bowhunter guy, very vocal Republican, he voiced his huge problems with this part of the bill. And some of his fans were like, wow, I can't believe you're a Democrat. And it's like, no, no, this is affecting, like, the land I hunt on, and, you know, all these other things. So, I respect that little change.

• 1:18:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  Hero, here for Zach's pump. Zach, I don't know what that means.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Me neither.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  Zach recently mentioned an E90 is high on your shortlist of next cars. I just sold an M2 comp manual because I didn't like the shifter. Hesitant about ending up in a similar situation with the M3? What is it about the E90 platform that you find so appealing?

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  I like the high-revving engine, I like the sound of it. And the M3 is just, as they all have been, is a car that does so many things really well. I don't only like the weight of the E90, and it's a much bigger car than mine, but it gives me V8 noises and high-revving noises, and will, you know, it's a comfortable GT car, and could be a sports car. And I have friends that turned them into, like, proper fucking race cars, and they do that really well, too. So that's why it's appealing. But I think I just like punishment, so I just want to keep supporting my local BMW shop. And then he asked more broadly, for people who are not journalists, how do you build confidence in a purchase when you can't do extended seat time beforehand? If you live in a major city, do Turo.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  And if Turo doesn't exist, it's much harder, I agree. If you can make friends with, like, a car club, and, you know, don't do it until you're really sure, hey, I'm really choosing between these cars. Maybe you could make friends with someone that has one, and they'd at least let you take it for a short drive.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:20:23Matt Farah?

  How do you build confidence? I mean, yeah, I would say find a way to rent one. Turo is not a perfect solution, but has made it easier than ever. I mean, look, that may involve like flying somewhere for a day.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Depending on where you live.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, if you live a commuter flight from somewhere, like fly somewhere for a day, turo a car, go have a nice day of driving, and now you know. You know, and.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  It's hard. We're in a rare position. I think we have friends that rotate through cars quickly. And, you know, you could also be comfortable with that, where if you buy it and after six months, you go, actually, this wasn't the thing. You know, Vin and Attra does that. He goes, ooh, I don't like it as much as I thought I would. All right, sell it. You know, it's a pain in the ass, but you could do that.

• 1:21:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know. I would say take advantage of all test drive opportunities. Ask a lot of questions, you know, whoever, whatever car reviewer you trust, if they have a review of it, you know, there's that, you know. But, yeah. Okay, that's a lot of words.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  Basically, why don't we have more hybrids with manuals? Because Doug and other folks liked the CRZ, which, you know, back when that came out, that was a very rare thing. Honda car, little hatchback, hybrid, but had a manual.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  I don't think it sold very well. I don't think people liked, I think Doug liking it is not success in the market. Doug likes weird shit. I like weird shit, too. We had one as a press car. It was okay. It ultimately didn't satisfy me as a hybrid and didn't satisfy me as a sports car. So that's kind of where I was left with it. Did we make a video with it at some point?

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  We did, a long time ago. And also, back then, the manual transmission got 37 miles per gallon highway. We can get that these days with like, like, let me look up a Civic SI.

• 1:22:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can get that. That's true. Yeah. It's probably similar.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you can get 37 highway in a Civic SI. So what it offered wasn't that great. And I think, I mean, if you think the take rate on manuals is small, why don't you look up the take rate for a manual hybrid?

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't.

• 1:22:39Matt Farah?

  Driving the Alpine reminds me that you actually don't need all this fanciness for small, light cars. If you want to keep building giant SUVs, giant crossovers, and heavy-ass, porky M5 tourings, then yeah, you're gonna need the technology in order to make those vehicles go-stop-turn and be fuel-efficient. Or, you could build cars of fucking a little bit lighter, and you actually don't need any of that stuff to be efficient. But, that's not like sexy in terms of, they wanna say, they wanna be like, "It's 700 horsepower." Uh, no one's gonna say like, "It's 7 horsepower, but it has a worse power to weight than a lot of other things." Yeah.

• 1:23:23Matt Farah?

  Uh, Bad Gardener just got back from two weeks in Iceland and saw a surprising variety of sports cars. Oh, well that's incredibly interesting. Uh, when I was there, I saw no sports cars. All I saw were like shitboxes and hardcore off-road vans.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. A lot of like, like the G-Wagon.

• 1:23:43Matt Farah?

  I'm glad that's changing. I'm glad people are starting to build sports cars, bring sports cars to Iceland. Uh, that's cool as shit.

• 1:23:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, question, "My rental camper didn't have cruise control, but instead a speed limiter, so you spend hours flat out and it keeps you at the speed you want. Have you come across odd comfort features in your travels that are not common in the US?" Comfort features?

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  I wouldn't call that a comfort feature. I would call that a restriction.

• 1:24:09Matt Farah?

  The odd comfort features are all in the US. Nobody builds their cars to be like overtly comfortable like Americans. With that, we've talked about this fucking Chevy 3500 pickup truck that we had at Gotham Dream Cars. It was a single cab, not even an extended cab, two, with a fold-up, so you could, three across, bench. If you were going two across and you folded that bench down so it was the armrest, then for those two people, they could share eight cup holders. Which is the most egregious cup holder-to-human ratio I've ever seen in any car. That's America doing that shit.

• 1:24:52Matt Farah?

  The fucking English always have one thing too few, but the leather smells really nice and you forget.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  I think maybe like Japan with the long wheelbase or you know, the reclining seats with a footrest.

• 1:25:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Or like curtains.

• 1:25:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Century.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Shit like that, maybe.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, whimsical nineties Japanese luxury, that's a good time.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  That's where you'd find odd comfort.

• 1:25:13Matt Farah?

  The Delica has that. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah.

• 1:25:19Matt Farah?

  Um, I don't act, I mean, I don't have the in-depth knowledge to answer that, although I think we answered the the gist of how we feel about it. Okay, wait, slow car, slow. If you're both gonna have a daily dri- if you currently both have a daily driver, they can do it all but fun, and we're gonna add a second vehicle for sixty-five K. It can't have more than fifty thousand miles or be more than seven years old. So a fun car.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Fun car.

• 1:25:46Matt Farah?

  Okay, a pure fun car.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  Lotus Exige.

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  I think you could, any number of Lotuses, you could buy at that budget for even money. You buy it, you drive it ten thousand miles, you sell it for the same exact amount you put into it. Um, I think that kind of money will also get you any number of lovely Caymans and Boxsters, um, which would still have some kind of practicality to them. Um, but if you really wanted, you know, you wanted to go full stupid, you know, you could get something like an air, used Ariel Atom for thirty-five grand.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  You can get a Caterham for forty.

• 1:26:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, if you really wanna be super stupid about it.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  I, I think about it all the time.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  But yeah, I mean, sixty-five K gets you a bunch of C8 Corvette. It gets you, you know, it gets you a bunch of Cayman, it gets you a bunch of, uh,

• 1:26:38Matt Farah?

  BMW M2, it gets you a whole bunch of fun stuff. It's just like, what dynamics do you want? You want mid-engine, you want a convertible, do you want front, from front rear, you know?

• 1:26:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Load but flat money lotuses are they're a no brainer.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's all the way toward the fun scale.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, crap, two more and then I need to eat lunch so badly because I am dying. Or what the hell was my is my time clock right?

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  We're at one eighteen.

• 1:27:07Matt Farah?

  Okay. Crab hab says, uh, why are most people either motorcycle or car people? Been riding on and off since two thousand and I currently have a Triumph, a Yamaha Zuma. Shout out to Zuma people. That was my first scooter. And I had, okay, I love them all. Is it the lack of experience, the danger? Why do people motorcycle? Why are people either one or the other?

• 1:27:32Matt Farah?

  I think if you get really into motorcycles. The idea of spending a hundred thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars on a car. To have less fun and go less fast seems really dumb.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:27:47Matt Farah?

  And so until people get really hurt. If they start to go motorcycle, they probably will think cars are a waste of time and money and space and energy.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  Just my.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  I think it's also a very unique experience that you really can't replicate in a car, even if you're just cruising on a motorcycle. And also if you get into them when you're younger. Like so much of of what you like is because of what you got into. So if you grew up in a motorcycle family. You're gonna be into motorcycles. If you grew up in a family like both, you'll be into both.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  And a lot of car people just think motorcycles are dangerous and they are.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:21Matt Farah?

  You know, and and I understand that. I'm scared every time I ride. So like, yeah, there's also a lot of people who like both. I mean, there's that's there is a. I don't think it's a fair assessment to say most people are either car or motorcycle.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  I would say most people that are into cars want to be into motorcycles or intrigued by them. But are just too nervous or whatever or risk averse.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  To ride them. But most people who are into cars and going fast, look at bikes and long for them.

• 1:28:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I know a ton of people that write about cars and motorcycles.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:02Matt Farah?

  Changeably. Yeah. Um, I'm thinking more and more about doing that off-road riding school. I really would like to learn how to ride on.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  You should.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Pink Pony Car Club says there are a few, quote, "stepchild exotics" that keep dropping in value. And I'm curious at what price they become an attractive buy. Uh, mainly the MC20, uh, the second-gen NSX, the Jaguar F-Type SVR, and the BMW i8. Okay.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:29:30Matt Farah?

  What would I spend for an MC20? Ooh, I'm in at 150.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:36Matt Farah?

  All day. That's a hundred and fifty thousand dollar experience.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  For the next 10 years.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  Fabulous automobile for a road car.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Fast.

• 1:29:44Matt Farah?

  Gorgeous.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Looks stunning.

• 1:29:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Looks like way more money.

• 1:29:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. At a hundred and fifty grand, fu- and they, they're gonna have a floor. A carbon tub Maserati has a floor. That car does not depreciate to zero. I don't know what the floor is.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  Unless it has massive problems, we'd all know, but if it doesn't.

• 1:30:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Then it'll have a floor.

• 1:30:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's a fucking nice car, man. Uh, second-gen NSX.

• 1:30:10Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Low hundred? It's such a good car. It's a very impressive vehicle.

• 1:30:14Matt Farah?

  It feels like a six-figure car. I mean, I don't know, I, I don't know at what price I would, I mean, I don't know. Ninety grand? Ninety grand, I'm in?

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  I think I could drive it for, you know, eighty-five, drive it for six months.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  And then sell it again.

• 1:30:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Just to, just to live it a bit, because it's giving you turbo-esque performance.

• 1:30:32Matt Farah?

  They're great. I don't think it would hold my attention very long.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:35Matt Farah?

  Um, Jaguar F-Type SVR, I don't actually like these very much. They're too stiff.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:42Matt Farah?

  I don't like the all-wheel drive, how, what it did to the front end.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:46Matt Farah?

  I like the early F-Type Rs that are rear-wheel drive better than this.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I didn't like the redesign they did.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, with the stony little lights.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, the first one with the lights that swept back over the curve, that was the way to go.

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I'm just a no across the board on SVR, but thirty-five K for a 2017 V6 F-Type coupe with a manual. There was one on Cars and Bids last week. Awesome. Awesome. Balance. Balance all day. Yeah. That's what you want. Um.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  I8? I don't think I'd buy one. Thirty?

• 1:31:17Matt Farah?

  Thirty grand. Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Thirty grand? I don't, it just doesn't interest me.

• 1:31:21Matt Farah?

  Doesn't either. It's a cruiser.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Matt Farah?

  You know, putter around town, maybe. It doesn't interest me.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 1:31:28Matt Farah?

  Cool when they came out, but, but not, not now.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, Timmy, question on convertibles. Are you ever paranoid about UV damage and/or bird poop from parking outside with the top down? Um, dude, the other day, Marco came and met me in Malibu for breakfast and brought his spider and a bird shit into his interior and he was not happy.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Did he park near the shit tree?

• 1:31:53Matt Farah?

  While driving.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:31:54Matt Farah?

  No, it happened while driving. Yeah, no, he did not park near the shit tree.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  That accuracy should be respected.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  I know, right? And he was not happy, but, um, no, man, no, I, I, I am not worried about it. My, my convertibles, my cars spend so much of their life inside a dimly lit garage that if they are outside for a couple of hours in the sun out of their whole life, it doesn't bother. I think about cars from like the 50s and 60s and, you know, if they're worth keeping, eventually you're gonna redo it, but like nah. I mean, if it's your daily, like, yeah, I'd probably put the top up.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't, I would not park it outside top down every day.

• 1:32:35Matt Farah?

  No, I'll, no.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  If I'm out for a drive and I can see it when I park or there's nothing valuable in it, then I don't care, I'll just leave it down, yeah.

• 1:32:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, if I, if my top comes down, for the most part, it's down for the day and that doesn't bother me, cause it's, cause you end up, it's 15 days a year or something.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  And I think Timmy says, would UV protecting products mitigate wear from exposure?

• 1:32:55Matt Farah?

  Yes, definitely. There's all kinds of product, Ammo makes a great package, um, here at the shop, um, we also use, um, Dr. Beasley's products for UV, which are really, really good and all my cars have all that stuff on them.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:33:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, man, good show today. Uh, thank you all for joining us. Uh, we placed some kittens, Zach had an anniversary, it's a whole fucking thing going on over there. It's a whole big fucking day at the Smoking Tire. Uh, thank you to our patrons for doing such an excellent job of, uh, with their questions as always, um, as well as with their credit cards, you know what I'm saying? Um, and, uh, yeah, we'll be back next week with, uh, with a whole lot more Smoking Tire and, uh, don't forget, Texas, Houston, July 24th, Dallas, July 25th, with Christian James Hand and we will be posting more info about that on our socials and on the Patreon page. Thanks everybody, see you later.